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Off Topic => General Football & Sports => Topic started by: Mister AT on July 17, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
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£8 million fee agreed.
Medical expected.
Looking at some of the comments on Twitter, quite a few of the Cardiff fans seem a bit sad about losing him, some saying they thought he would have a good season this year etc etc.
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Just looking at his previous stats:
16/17 season scored 12 in 29.
17/18 season scored 9 in 36.
To be honest I am just happy we are signing a striker :D does look a Bilic type of player though.
At 25 we could get some good years out of him. That's half of the Rondon money gone.
Still leaves us needing at least 1 more striker.
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Am I the only one Googling Kenneth Zohore........ ;D
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Thats come out of the blue!
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Thats come out of the blue!
Bluebirds actually.....i'll get my coat! ;D
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Who??????
LOL, thats what we love about this club, just when you think you know everything, we get a decent curveball like this. I do not profess to know anything about this guy but on paper it seems like he could be quite useful. Happy days.....[?]
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Who??????
LOL, thats what we love about this club, just when you think you know everything, we get a decent curveball like this. I do not profess to know anything about this guy but on paper it seems like he could be quite useful. Happy days.....[?]
I suppose it goes to show the 'silence' form the clubs doesn't mean we aren't trying to sort deals in the background.
Makes a change for us to only find out about this deal before its complete. Much prefer it this way than being in the public eye for 2 weeks before we complete it.
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Looks more composed in front of goal than HRK or Rondon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
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Just had a quick look on Twitter, Cardiff fans seem a bit split on it, thinking he could do well but we have overpaid at £8m, my guess is its half that and the rest made up on goals/ appearances/promotion etc personally I dont care, its a signing in an area we need and he knows the league well and its not my money!!
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Just looking at his previous stats:
16/17 season scored 12 in 29.
17/18 season scored 9 in 36.
To be honest I am just happy we are signing a striker :D does look a Bilic type of player though.
At 25 we could get some good years out of him. That's half of the Rondon money gone.
Still leaves us needing at least 1 more striker.
Remember those are goals in a Warnock side as well who are not very creative. Think in a Bilic team he could get us 12/15 goals and bring our midfield into play. Seems a strong and technical striker
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Certainly seems to know where the net is and can finish one on ones. Left footed too?
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I think 8 million is way over what he is worth. Surely for that kind of money we could have done better?
His goal ratio isnt brilliant either.
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New song
When the ball hits the goal
It's not Shearer or Cole
It's Zohore
(pronouncing as Za hore ay)
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Remember those are goals in a Warnock side as well who are not very creative. Think in a Bilic team he could get us 12/15 goals and bring our midfield into play. Seems a strong and technical striker
Yeah totally agree.
Seasons work out at just over 1 in 2 and 1 in 4 in their promotion year. Just had a look at Cardiff as a team only scored 69 in 46 that season so they weren't exactly free scoring.
I'm quite happy with the deal to be honest. At times last year we need a striker similar to him, and with us getting him now he seems a better version of HRK which is 100% a good thing ;D
Just need to compliment him now and get a 'smaller' striker in, someone similar to Gayle/Roofe etc.
Does that put to bed the Maupay rumours now?
I would assume if we get another attacker in it will be a loan deal now.
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Looks more composed in front of goal than HRK or Rondon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
Seems to know where the goal is, lets just hope the compilation of 'near misses' is not as long :)
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Deal worth up to £8million means we’re probably paying around £3/4mil upfront and the rest in instalments and add ons I’d presume.
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If we continue to leak goals anything even remotely like we did last year then we’re going to need this guy to seriously improve his scoring record. We had two 20+ strikers last year this guy would just about get 20 in two seasons, he’s not prolific by any stretch.
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Always struck me as someone with good touch and movement for his size.....fair bit of largely unrealised potential.
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If we continue to leak goals anything even remotely like we did last year then we’re going to need this guy to seriously improve his scoring record. We had two 20+ strikers last year this guy would just about get 20 in two seasons, he’s not prolific by any stretch.
He's only 25 which means he'd have been relatively young when he played in the Championship before. Also Warnock sides are not known for being free flowing, creating lots of chances. If you take away J Rod's penalties he scored 13 (I think from memory) last season, Zohore is capable of matching that total no question. He's a typical Bilic centre forward, the type I'd expect him to sign.
Let's hope we can get this over the line and let's hope it's the first of at least, a few.
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Watched him a few times last season.
Strong target man on the front, not a goal scorer in PL but should be OK in championship.
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Am I the only one Googling Kenneth Zohore........ ;D
No lol. 40 career goals, but big, the right age and hopefully Bilic sees something in him. Probably no coincidence we are after a winger as well, so looks like we are going on the attack this season....fingers crossed.
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Seems a decent signing to me in todays market. Big guy with a good touch and an eye for goal. At 25 should have his best years ahead, been on the fringe of the Danish squad and hopefully is hungry (for success not pies)
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New song
When the ball hits the goal
It's not Shearer or Cole
It's Zohore
(pronouncing as Za hore ay)
Who are Shearer and Cole? Is that Cheryl Cole. Most kids won't have a clue what you're singing about!
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/cardiff-city-striker-kenneth-zohore-16598629
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this isn't too inspiring
https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=208465&sid=b6bfbb7523b209b9454cad8745b9ad3f
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Thought we weren't signing anybody permanently?!
Ummmmm, before people judge, Rodriguez and Rondon could be made to sound bad if people read this forum. He's been in a Warnock side.
I'll give the man a chance and bear in mind he won't be the only striker we sign.
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What City fans are saying on Twitter:
The right time to get rid of zohore and not a bad price considering he’s done absolutely naff all for the last couple of years. Now hopefully we can spend the money wisely on a natural goal scorer
Selling Zohore for £8 Mill is brilliant news
About time we got rid of Zohore, constantly talking about what he "could" do but the fact is his record for a ST is so poor apart from the 12-13 goals he got a few seasons ago. Hes lazy and there's better options out there-8m is superb from City
I like Zohore and feel like much of the issue has been us not playing to his strengths. He can be unstoppable but hasn't been consistent enough. You'd imagine this sale enables a player coming in - fingers crossed it's someone like Britt Assombalonga...
He’s got the perfect skill set for playing as a modern lone striker so not quite sure how we haven’t adapted to his strengths? Unfortunately he’s just too inconsistent to build a team around and £8 million is a big gamble (although a strangely fair price in the modern market)
I think we just lump the ball up to him and hope he wins headers. When he was really good in the Champ, he was good when the balls were played down the channels to him. Agree he's too inconsistent.
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not one to really get me excited but he cant be as bad as HRK.
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New song
When the ball hits the goal
It's not Shearer or Cole
It's Zohore
(pronouncing as Za hore ay)
Or;
When you're sat in row Z
and the ball hits your head
Thats Zohore......
I take no credit for that little ditty, they used to sing it about Zamora.
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This is where we are at with an owner unable or unwilling to invest his money in club, hope the kid does well but not a signing that has you jumping out of your seat.
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What City fans are saying on Twitter:
The right time to get rid of zohore and not a bad price considering he’s done absolutely naff all for the last couple of years. Now hopefully we can spend the money wisely on a natural goal scorer
Selling Zohore for £8 Mill is brilliant news
About time we got rid of Zohore, constantly talking about what he "could" do but the fact is his record for a ST is so poor apart from the 12-13 goals he got a few seasons ago. Hes lazy and there's better options out there-8m is superb from City
I like Zohore and feel like much of the issue has been us not playing to his strengths. He can be unstoppable but hasn't been consistent enough. You'd imagine this sale enables a player coming in - fingers crossed it's someone like Britt Assombalonga...
He’s got the perfect skill set for playing as a modern lone striker so not quite sure how we haven’t adapted to his strengths? Unfortunately he’s just too inconsistent to build a team around and £8 million is a big gamble (although a strangely fair price in the modern market)
I think we just lump the ball up to him and hope he wins headers. When he was really good in the Champ, he was good when the balls were played down the channels to him. Agree he's too inconsistent.
Now this is someone I'd like to see us in for.
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Hopefully the prospect of leaving Warnock and working with Bilic will re-ignite him.
As with Dan Ashworths tenancy we will have to take a few punts and some will work, some will not. We are not in the position where we can buy guaranteed success sadly.
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8 million seems to be the new 3-4million from a few seasons ago doesn't it.
It's about the going rate for a striker of this level. The strikers who have the very good seasons tend to go for 12-15million so I think its a fair price based on his achievements in this league.
Play to his strengths and it does sound like we could potentially have a good striker on our hands.
I wont judge a strikers scoring record in a Warnock team, the same way I wouldn't judge a striker in a Pulis team.
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not one to really get me excited but he cant be as bad as HRK.
hes around a 1 in 3 striker in this league and gets a fair few assists too. He’s a worse Rondon that can shoot rather than a better HRK.
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8 million seems to be the new 3-4million from a few seasons ago doesn't it.
It's about the going rate for a striker of this level. The strikers who have the very good seasons tend to go for 12-15million so I think its a fair price based on his achievements in this league.
Play to his strengths and it does sound like we could potentially have a good striker on our hands.
I wont judge a strikers scoring record in a Warnock team, the same way I wouldn't judge a striker in a Pulis team.
Looks like he has an eye for goal if used in the right way. Definitely not a traditional target man though, doesn't score many with his head, which may be why Warnock hasn't got the best of him.
Looking at the youtube clip, I think he could suit a 4-3-3, plenty of power and pace and not scared to run at defenders. Interesting.
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hes around a 1 in 3 striker in this league and gets a fair few assists too. He’s a worse Rondon that can shoot rather than a better HRK.
There's a gulf between those two though mate. You can be far, far worse than Rondon but still better than Kanu..
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Don’t know much about the bloke but from what ive read seems to be a big man with good feet which could bode well for linking up with Krovinovic. Scoring record could be better if we could get a 2nd striker alongside him who can bang them in it could be a shrewd signing.
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Don’t know much about the bloke but from what ive read seems to be a big man with good feet which could bode well for linking up with Krovinovic. Scoring record could be better if we could get a 2nd striker alongside him who can bang them in it could be a shrewd signing.
That's my thoughts exactly. If he could be a hold up type player, someone who can pull defenders about, ruff them up a bit then he could be useful IF we have a nippy Gayle type Striker alongside him.
We lacked a bit of Physical presence last season up top which may have helped.
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It's generally an uninspiring move, but when you see what other players are going for it's about par for the course.
I'll judge him when I see him, because I don't know enough about him otherwise.
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Hard to judge without knowing the ins and outs of the deal (such as how the add ons are structured), but £8 million feels like a lot for a player with his record.
I feel there is much better value out there, but if we are only paying, say, £4 million up front for a player as a second striker, it might not be a terrible deal.
Can't say the signing gives me much faith though.
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I'm assuming as he is States with Cardiff, that the personal terms are still to be agreed :-\
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Hard to judge without knowing the ins and outs of the deal (such as how the add ons are structured), but £8 million feels like a lot for a player with his record.
I feel there is much better value out there, but if we are only paying, say, £4 million up front for a player as a second striker, it might not be a terrible deal.
Can't say the signing gives me much faith though.
If it's him PLUS a decent striker loan signing then we could do worse. You've got to say though, it puts to bed Maupay rumours srely as he'll be at least £15 million and £23 mill on strikers just isn't happening if we're being realistic.
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Looks big and strong and quick.
Eye for goal too....not seen much of him tbh but from what i have seen he could turn out to be a decent signing
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Hard to judge without knowing the ins and outs of the deal (such as how the add ons are structured), but £8 million feels like a lot for a player with his record.
I feel there is much better value out there, but if we are only paying, say, £4 million up front for a player as a second striker, it might not be a terrible deal.
Can't say the signing gives me much faith though.
Come on then - what’s all this better value that’s out there??
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I wouldn't read too much into what other forums say about players.
Remember what a lot of people said about Rondon last season?
Sometimes the player needs the right manager to get the best out of them
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Looks more composed in front of goal than HRK or Rondon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
He scored in front of the south bank and gave them the ears. He'll do for me ;D
Kidding aside, there is some great finishes in there but as we all know youtube compilation videos are never the best example of a player.
Looks decent though.
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So we’re signing an journeyman for £8m with a poor goal scoring record to replace more than 40 goals in our team. More evidence that a shitshow of a season is on the cards.
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So we’re signing an journeyman for £8m with a poor goal scoring record to replace more than 40 goals in our team. More evidence that a shitshow of a season is on the cards.
You want us to sign a player that guarantees us 40 goals do you?
I'm afraid Messi and Ronaldo are out of our price range.
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Journeyman? At age 25 and having been at his previous club 3 years? Bit harsh perhaps?
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You want us to sign a player that guarantees us 40 goals do you?
I'm afraid Messi and Ronaldo are out of our price range.
think you maybe have missed the point. i think most will agree we are not going to spend 40m on transfers this summer.
so 8m is a big percentage of our budget of what we will be spending and taking that into account that it is on a player who has scored 21 goals in 65 appearances is a huge gamble in replacing the goals we have lost from last season.
lets hope he bangs them in for us and Billic can get the best out of him.
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So we’re signing an journeyman for £8m with a poor goal scoring record to replace more than 40 goals in our team. More evidence that a shitshow of a season is on the cards.
I'll wait for the rest of the additions before getting my knickers in a twist.
Zohore will be a good signing providing there are others to compliment the addition.
If come the end of the window, he is the only signing in the forward areas, then I like you will be fuming.
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He's scored 23 in 77 Championship games - which isn't too bad and for his age it seems a reasonable price. Nonetheless, time will tell as per usual.
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Not a wow signing but seems like Bilic’s “big manâ€. Still need an out and out goal scorer to compliment. As reports have mentioned if it’s 4 with 4 being add ons / promotion etc then seems not too bad.
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If it comes to fruition, I look forward to welcoming to Albion and cheering all the goals he is going to score for us ;D
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this isn't too inspiring
https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=208465&sid=b6bfbb7523b209b9454cad8745b9ad3f
Can’t say I know much about him, but I’m damned if I’m going to take much notice of other forums. He certainly seems very comfortable with through balls.
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think you maybe have missed the point. i think most will agree we are not going to spend 40m on transfers this summer.
so 8m is a big percentage of our budget of what we will be spending and taking that into account that it is on a player who has scored 21 goals in 65 appearances is a huge gamble in replacing the goals we have lost from last season.
lets hope he bangs them in for us and Billic can get the best out of him.
If we can shore the defence up and get some discipline into the side we shouldn't need to replace all those goals.
1-0 is as good a win as 4-3
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“To reach that figure, Zohore must make a set number of appearances, score a set number of goals, and help the club win promotionâ€.
This was in Matt Wilson’s article so its 2 Million then :)
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Can’t say I know much about him, but I’m damned if I’m going to take much notice of other forums. He certainly seems very comfortable with through balls.
You only have to look at our Rondon thread comments and view the Newcastle Rondon thread to see the opinions differ. There are some fans here who think Rondon is rubbish, whereas certain Newcastle fans think he's god.
I will judge Zohore on what he does in a WBA shirt. For what its worth - do I think he's better than HRK...yes. So even on that logic, I'm happy :D
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I think 8 million is way over what he is worth. Surely for that kind of money we could have done better?
His goal ratio isnt brilliant either.
given todays prices 8 million (which is including all add ons etc) is a reasonable price and the equivalent to the old 2.5 - 3 mill
he does also look like a player who can play on the shoulder of the last man which in this league could work really well
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Brother-in-law watches Cardiff a fair bit and he reckons he's good for champ level, gets in amongst.
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Brother-in-law watches Cardiff a fair bit and he reckons he's good for champ level, gets in amongst.
Thanks for that mate, much rather a witness view, than a youtube video. I remember the Kryzowiak video, must have been made for the occasion.
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Certainly seems to know where the net is and can finish one on ones. Left footed too?
Predominantly left footed the 3/4 right foot goals were tap ins.
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I think 8 million is way over what he is worth. Surely for that kind of money we could have done better?
His goal ratio isnt brilliant either.
I think you need a reality check and realise that this is the market we are shopping in now- we paid 16 million for Rondon and there are plenty of our fans who think he is awful - so not sure what you think 8 million is going to get us.
We have gone foe a manager who pretty much has universal fan approval and its fair to assume he has had a say in this purchase so starting off with all the negative stuff before the guy has put on the shirt is quite frankly idiotic.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SIGNING MESSI
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I think you need a reality check and realise that this is the market we are shopping in now- we paid 16 million for Rondon and there are plenty of our fans who think he is awful - so not sure what you think 8 million is going to get us.
We have gone foe a manager who pretty much has universal fan approval and its fair to assume he has had a say in this purchase so starting off with all the negative stuff before the guy has put on the shirt is quite frankly idiotic.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SIGNING MESSI
We could at least inquire. He's sort of Eastern European like Slaven, well, almost and he's Croatian, well almost.
Go get him Albion. ;D
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We could at least inquire. He's sort of Eastern European like Slaven, well, almost and he's Croatian, well almost.
Go get him Albion. ;D
Mixing your Messi’s with your Modric’s methinks
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Not a clue on how good this chap is, Cardiff fans seem happy hes going but one fact is the next strilker we buy or loan better be bloody prolific though judging from his stats.
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The prices have gone mental since the Neymar transfer with Lewis Dunk rated at £45m and McGuire at £80m.
If this deal is £4m down and add ons then It's ok, but his record of 1 in 4 isn't inspiring and very much a younger David McGoldrick type player, who most said no to last season on a free.
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Transfer news is often misleading. The reason Cardiff are laughing is the fee of 8Mill. But it’s not 8, it’s probably around 4 (which is what we got for Rogers) and will only get to 8 with promotion, goals etc. A bunch of Cardiff fans seem to think there is a player in there if Slav can motivate him. At only 25 who knows.
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I think you need a reality check and realise that this is the market we are shopping in now- we paid 16 million for Rondon and there are plenty of our fans who think he is awful - so not sure what you think 8 million is going to get us.
We have gone foe a manager who pretty much has universal fan approval and its fair to assume he has had a say in this purchase so starting off with all the negative stuff before the guy has put on the shirt is quite frankly idiotic.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SIGNING MESSI
If we did sign Messi, certain people on here would be moaning that he’s too old.
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If we did sign Messi, certain people on here would be moaning that he’s too old.
He is quite short too..
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Come on then - what’s all this better value that’s out there??
It's always a worthwile exercise going through the transfer lists in Bundesliga and Ligue 1. Some clubs will still spend €20 million on a player, but due to getting less money than in England, they have to be more sensible and look for bargains. The majority of signings you see (even this summer) are in the 3-6 million euro bracket. That's Euros! That's their top flight leagues!
They shop more in Eastern Europe and Portugal where there are bargains to be had.
Another good example, Real Sociedad have just paid £8 million for a 19 year old who scored 13 goals between Jan and May this year. Yeah it's the Dutch league, but if he played a season he was on course for 26 goals at the same age as Rakeem Harper. Can you imagine what a player like that would be sold for in England?
There is value out there if you follow a more continental model.
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It's always a worthwile exercise going through the transfer lists in Bundesliga and Ligue 1. Some clubs will still spend €20 million on a player, but due to getting less money than in England, they have to be more sensible and look for bargains. The majority of signings you see (even this summer) are in the 3-6 million euro bracket. That's Euros! That's their top flight leagues!
They shop more in Eastern Europe and Portugal where there are bargains to be had.
Another good example, Real Sociedad have just paid £8 million for a 19 year old who scored 13 goals between Jan and May this year. Yeah it's the Dutch league, but if he played a season he was on course for 26 goals at the same age as Rakeem Harper. Can you imagine what a player like that would be sold for in England?
There is value out there if you follow a more continental model.
Our lot don't go and see them. must have electronic tags or summat. :-X
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Our lot don't go and see them. must have electronic tags or summat. :-X
How do you know they dont go and get them watched? 8)
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Come on then - what’s all this better value that’s out there??
A championship club just sold an England international who scored 20+ last season for 10 million , reckon that's better value myself !!
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A championship club just sold an England international who scored 20+ last season for 10 million , reckon that's better value myself !!
That remains to be seen given their respective ages - and that is a fatuous example as we could not afford to keep the player in question and he wanted to go.
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Relieved we're getting some competition for spaces up front, although to be honest, I'd rather it was a more mobile, player of the type Gayle. I can't say I know alot about this bloke, but if reports about him are right, he's more of a tall target man. Yes, we could certainly do better than HRK there, but what is crucial is getting a player who can anticipate goal chances, and then convert a fair few. I hope we are still considering Neal Maupay, who falls more into that category, and that we would still have enough left in the budget to make a serious offer for him.
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Relieved we're getting some competition for spaces up front, although to be honest, I'd rather it was a more mobile, player of the type Gayle. I can't say I know alot about this bloke, but if reports about him are right, he's more of a tall target man. Yes, we could certainly do better than HRK there, but what is crucial is getting a player who can anticipate goal chances, and then convert a fair few. I hope we are still considering Neal Maupay, who falls more into that category, and that we would still have enough left in the budget to make a serious offer for him.
I also assumed he was just a target man but seems fairly mobile in the clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
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I also assumed he was just a target man but seems fairly mobile in the clip below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
Yes. He has a fair left foot shot as well, and I like forwards who have the courage to chip goalkeepers.
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Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.
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Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.
Foggo
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Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.
KennyFogo Ken Stephens
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Foggo
Before my time!
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Luke 4 Ken Moore
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Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.
Ken McNaught, Kenny Swain.
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Ken Hodgkinson.
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He's scored 23 in 77 Championship games - which isn't too bad
We have different standards. I would say that is abject for the championship. Certainly not what we need to get promotion. I've seen a bit of Lahore for Cardiff. I would describe him as a big lump with a chip on his shoulder and a bad attitude. A poor mans Danny Dichio. So I can't say I'm pleased to be spending £4m-£8m of our budget on him. Smack's of a panic signing.
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We have different standards. I would say that is abject for the championship. Certainly not what we need to get promotion. I've seen a bit of Lahore for Cardiff. I would describe him as a big lump with a chip on his shoulder and a bad attitude. A poor mans Danny Dichio. So I can't say I'm pleased to be spending £4m-£8m of our budget on him. Smack's of a panic signing.
It really does seem like a panic buy. He's hardly set the world alight but I have got limited knowledge on him. That's a lot of money to spend on unproven.
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It really does seem like a panic buy. He's hardly set the world alight but I have got limited knowledge on him. That's a lot of money to spend on unproven.
Cardiff fans on twitter seem generally pleased to offload Zohore. Inconsistent is a word many use to describe him. He's also not the most prolific of scorers. Smacks of a typically cheap option to me.
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How about giving the bloke a chance to kick a ball for us and assess him on performances for us
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An ok signing. More of a physical presence that we missed at times last season.
It all depends on what formation we will play but at times we will need to go 4-4-2 so at least one more striker required hopefully a Gayle type.
We still need someone to play on the left. Phillips and Burke have the right side covered
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At the £8M price I just hope he’s not going to be an Anichibe mk2
May I add I wanted us to look at him a couple of years ago
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We have different standards. I would say that is abject for the championship. Certainly not what we need to get promotion. I've seen a bit of Lahore for Cardiff. I would describe him as a big lump with a chip on his shoulder and a bad attitude. A poor mans Danny Dichio. So I can't say I'm pleased to be spending £4m-£8m of our budget on him. Smack's of a panic signing.
I work in Cardiff and watch them occasionally and when they're on Sky and get a fair bit of media news on local TV. He's tall but pretty athletic and mobile - not a lump. Definitely not a lighthouse type centre forward. I'd say he's got a fair bit of ability and potential ...time will tell as usual.
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Jesus Christ. The negativity on this forum. Why I barely post any more.
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My initial reaction was that we were paying too much for him but it seems the headline fee of £8m is actually £6m + £2m
add-ons or even £4m + £4m add-ons I am a lot more sanguine about it.
On the plus side he is the target man that we need and while not as prolific as some would like he is no slouch in front of goal. I would also add that while not as pronounced as the Pulis effect the impact of Warnock's football reduces the opportunities that strikers get and therefore scoring double figures in a Warnock side is no mean feat. Generally video clips prove very little (nobody shows the subject shanking a shot into the crowd) I did note that on many occasions there was hardly another Cardiff player within 20 yards of him.
Zohore is a solid signing for the Championship, is his ceiling much higher? Probably not but this is not an issue for the here and now.
Are there better value signings? There probably is although there is no guarantee that we could land them as a Championship side.
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There is a touch of Cyrille about the way he bullied his way past those defenders.
Definitely an upgrade on HRK so I think could be decent value if he has the right attitude. Great left foot on him.
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know nothing of him but if he's a warm body he's welcome!
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This is a weird one for me...he has't really done anything to warrant us investing such a big chunk of cash on. In all honesty, I haven't seen much of him but I'm not really hearing too much positivity from anywhere. There has to be better value out there. I don't mind waiting till the last day if it means the right signings..... this just seems a bit desperate to me.
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Uninspiring.
It seems most clubs near the top of the championship have is someone who scores around 20 goals in the season. I’m sure when we got promoted and our top scorer was Dorrans it was a real anomaly so we still need to find a goal scorer and have a further restricted budget.
A goal scorer would be my number one priority and I don’t think he’s it.
As for ignoring other teams forums, it would seem silly to completely disregard them and yet on the other hand preach how composed he looks in a video only showing his goals. That seems to be manipulating the available info to suit.
It is hard to judge one bit of business in isolation though, given the rebuild needed.
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This is a weird one for me...he has't really done anything to warrant us investing such a big chunk of cash on. In all honesty, I haven't seen much of him but I'm not really hearing too much positivity from anywhere. There has to be better value out there. I don't mind waiting till the last day if it means the right signings..... this just seems a bit desperate to me.
I doubt very much if we've paid £8m up front for him.
As with most deals now we will end up paying £8m if he meets all the criteria laid down.
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If, like me you all went to Wiki to check Ken out then you will have seen he has a 1 in 4 hit rate. It did occur to me that had his strike rate been any higher then I would not have needed to refer to Wiki......
Lets give the guy a chance.
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Surely its as much to do with the quality of the supplies to the strikers? That's where we should be concentrating our efforts more IMO. Our attacking approach since the disaster that was Pulis has been largely slow and poor (with the exception of Barnes).
This lad could well be OK given the right sort of chances...surely?
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The thoughts of a Cardiff journalist on Zohore
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-west-brom-both-16603561
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I asked a Cardiff fan on Twitter if he was really that bad last night, his response:
"He don't like running, he's not very good at heading, even the smallest defenders out muscle him, he can't pass and his shooting, well 10 goals in 2 seasons says everything really. Half our fans boo if he's brought on, its like playing with 10 men."
I know we have to judge him in our shirt but I just hope this is him not fitting in to a Warnock type system of play...... :-\
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Just remember you can ask 2 West Brom fans what they think of Rondon and you could get 2 totally different answers!
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Just ask yourself this question, who's opinion of a footballer would you trust more? Neil Warnock or Slaven Bilic?
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Just ask yourself this question, who's opinion of a footballer would you trust more? Neil Warnock or Slaven Bilic?
At the moment Colin has the experience at Championship level Bilic is unknown.
Lets give Zohore a chance and judge for ourselves.
We stuck with the likes of Anichebi, Lambert, Luke Moore, Dobbie, Dichio, and to some extent Rondon who split the fanbase.
On the plus side he can't be any worse than HRK
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Tall, athletic forward inconsistent in front of goal with one year left on his contract - out. Tall athletic forward inconsistent in front of goal with one year left on his contract - in. And we appear to be £8m up. Time will tell, but seems ok to me.
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Cant believe the garbage on here sometimes.Experts who seem to know everything about another teams player when you've probably never seen him play in the flesh.Listening to other fans who are about to lose one of there players to a league rival .Seems like the boo boys are out before he's even signed :-\
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From reading the comments obviously a player with the skill and potential but needs motivation. We have had a few like that.
Hopefully Zohore realises this may be his last chance to shine or get ito the prem either with or without us, and hopefully Bilic and Dicks can kick ass.
Actually i can see him and HRK forming a partnership like Allen and Nicholls, or Astle and Brown, or even Taylor and Hunt.
Actually i am joking and we need to sign someone to play alongside him.
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The thoughts of a Cardiff journalist on Zohore
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-west-brom-both-16603561
This is probably a good thing to read for more of an impartial opinion
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Cant believe the garbage on here sometimes.Experts who seem to know everything about another teams player when you've probably never seen him play in the flesh.Listening to other fans who are about to lose one of there players to a league rival .Seems like the boo boys are out before he's even signed :-\
Apologies for asking a Cardiff fan about a Cardiff player I had no previous knowledge on. Clearly this makes me a 'boo boy' in your world.....
just out of curiosity what should we write about on a forum about a player we are likely to sign??
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Apologies for asking a Cardiff fan about a Cardiff player I had no previous knowledge on. Clearly this makes me a 'boo boy' in your world.....
just out of curiosity what should we write about on a forum about a player we are likely to sign??
I think it is more of a general observation ph as opposed to being aimed at you. I sort of feel the same to be honest. This one came from leftfield and caught us all offguard and scrambling for Wiki.
As you will see from the posts, some think the fee is too high, some are 'underwhelmed', and some refer to his poor strike rate. If, like me, you had never heard of him before yesterday morning then you have to assume that we have done our homework and he is a player that Slaven wants into the club, so we should get behind him regardless....
Your 'informed' view from a Cardiff fan is welcome. The article from the journalist in this thread is interesting as well.
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Cant believe the garbage on here sometimes.Experts who seem to know everything about another teams player when............
....... in many instances they don't have a clue regarding our own players strengths and weaknesses ;) .
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I think it is more of a general observation ph as opposed to being aimed at you. I sort of feel the same to be honest. This one came from leftfield and caught us all offguard and scrambling for Wiki.
As you will see from the posts, some think the fee is too high, some are 'underwhelmed', and some refer to his poor strike rate. If, like me, you had never heard of him before yesterday morning then you have to assume that we have done our homework and he is a player that Slaven wants into the club, so we should get behind him regardless....
Your 'informed' view from a Cardiff fan is welcome. The article from the journalist in this thread is interesting as well.
As i stated though, i'm hoping IF he is that poor it is purely the fact of playing in a Warnock team and this will be a move that re-ignites him, I have no opinion of him in any way shape or form as i had never even heard of him let alone seen him play and at 4-8 million you are going to get someone inconsistent or less prolific, if he wasn't either of them he would be a lot more expensive and probably wouldn't be coming to us.
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I think it is more of a general observation ph as opposed to being aimed at you. I sort of feel the same to be honest. This one came from leftfield and caught us all offguard and scrambling for Wiki.
As you will see from the posts, some think the fee is too high, some are 'underwhelmed', and some refer to his poor strike rate. If, like me, you had never heard of him before yesterday morning then you have to assume that we have done our homework and he is a player that Slaven wants into the club, so we should get behind him regardless....
Your 'informed' view from a Cardiff fan is welcome. The article from the journalist in this thread is interesting as well.
Correct! Not aimed at you .Just a general observation of some of the posts on here.lets judge later.Hes not even signed yet
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Just ask yourself this question, who's opinion of a footballer would you trust more? Neil Warnock or Slaven Bilic?
I liked this... and my answer is Bilic all day long! Let us give the lad a chance (assuming he actually signs)
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Can I give an opinion on a deal or should I ask permission first? Understand only happy positive messaging is allowed like, so wondering if I should wait for approval?
The comments from opposing fans should be taken with a pinch of salt of course, but they are still valid, unless you think those in charge have super human powers that normal fans don't (just on the back of having played pro). If football fans on forums really do know f*** all about football, then why are any of you bothering to post on here in the first place, just adding to what you see as a load of bulls***?
The Cardiff journo is maybe the most useful as he will always try to give a balanced view and not take emotion into account.
I don't think the signing, when taken in isolation, is necesserily a bad one. He had potential 3 seasons ago and in an attacking team with a fresh pair of eyes he could take off.
Goals are also not everything, as if we get a forward who is a goalscorer as our next aquisition in the coming weeks then he could be a great partner (think Heskey).
I do however have some reservations about offering 8 million, however it is broken down in add ons, on a player with his track record. There will no doubt be similar players from Bundesliga 2, Ligue 2, Serie B, La Segunda and Portugal/Netherlands/Eastern Europe with a similar track record and style but who would probably cost half what we are paying.
My reservations are mainly down to it being a signal that the club's "transfer department" are not spreading their gaze wide enough. I'm not being an arm chair expert saying that, i'm juet basing it on having followed hundreds of football journalists from around the globe over the last 10 years who have reported on different leagues transfers and seeing how little the top clubs on the continent pay.
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To me it depends on what % of our transfer budget this is using up . 70 % or more and it doesn't seem or feel like a good deal. 50% or less and its probably a risk worth taking
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I liked this... and my answer is Bilic all day long! Let us give the lad a chance (assuming he actually signs)
Don’t like Warnock and never have, much prefer Bilic. I will say that Warnock is not an idiot (this is a reason why). “He holds the record for the most promotions in English football, with eightâ€.
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Don’t like Warnock and never have, much prefer Bilic. I will say that Warnock is not an idiot (this is a reason why). “He holds the record for the most promotions in English football, with eightâ€.
I think Warnock saw him as a target man, which he doesn't appear to be. He doesn't seem great in the air, either from the clips or from Cardiff fans opinions, so can see why he didn't fit a Colin style.
What he does seem to have though is power and pace and he's not scared to take on defenders, which suggests he may perform better in a more free role in a front 2 or 3. Step in Bilic to get the best out of him.
There is no doubt it's a risk but the outlay is not that great, around £4m I believe, with the add-ons only kicking in if he and, therefore we, are successful. In which case even at the full £8m it will be worth it.
Personally, I think he is well worth a shout and could be a very astute bit of business. Only 1 link in the chain though, more are needed for it to fully succeed.
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If we continue to leak goals anything even remotely like we did last year then we’re going to need this guy to seriously improve his scoring record. We had two 20+ strikers last year this guy would just about get 20 in two seasons, he’s not prolific by any stretch.
The play-off semi showed that we could defend if we wanted to, but DM didn't appear to have the tactical awareness to set us up right. I'm hoping the defending will be better now we have a more experienced manager and we may not need as many goals.
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Before Zohore moved to Cardiff permanently, he had a short loan spell there, scoring 2 goals in 12 appearances, of which only 2 were starts. He only played 258 minutes during that spell, averaging 1 goal every 129 minutes.
In his 2 full seasons in the Championship with Cardiff, he scored 21 goals in 65 appearances, 54 of which were starts.
His goal per minute average over those 2 seasons was 1 every 233 minutes, which is just over 1 goal per every 2.5 games.
He made 30 starts for Cardiff during their promotion season, so he has good experience and the pedigree of playing in a winning side in this division.
All things considered, his record at this level doesn't look too shabby to me.
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How long on average does it take to sign a player after a fee has been agreed by both clubs. I think we might sign another one before the window closes.
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How long on average does it take to sign a player after a fee has been agreed by both clubs. I think we might sign another one before the window closes.
depends on the player, may still be contracts, medical, photos and other nonsense. On average I’d say a day or two but can be condensed to a couple hours if needed on deadline day.
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Before Zohore moved to Cardiff permanently, he had a short loan spell there, scoring 2 goals in 12 appearances, of which only 2 were starts. He only played 258 minutes during that spell, averaging 1 goal every 129 minutes.
In his 2 full seasons in the Championship with Cardiff, he scored 21 goals in 65 appearances, 54 of which were starts.
His goal per minute average over those 2 seasons was 1 every 233 minutes, which is just over 1 goal per every 2.5 games.
He made 30 starts for Cardiff during their promotion season, so he has good experience and the pedigree of playing in a winning side in this division.
All things considered, his record at this level doesn't look too shabby to me.
Good post!
I hope we can get this and at least another in by tomorrow so we've got Krovinovic, Zohore and another all in to integrate for the next friendly so we aren't getting too many bodies in with barely any friendlies left.
depends on the player, may still be contracts, medical, photos and other nonsense. On average I’d say a day or two but can be condensed to a couple hours if needed on deadline day.
Didn't he have to return from America? That would delay it significantly.
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This has been in the pipeline a couple of days now, other clubs will have been alerted and will maybe match the price.
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This has been in the pipeline a couple of days now, other clubs will have been alerted and will maybe match the price.
Yeah...hopefully.
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This has been in the pipeline a couple of days now, other clubs will have been alerted and will maybe match the price.
do you really think other clubs won’t have already been suited by his agent? You really think that multi million pound clubs will find out information at the same time as joe bloggs from Tipton? Information is power and to think these clubs won’t already know appears naive at best to me.
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starts from a blank canvas for me as I know nothing of the lad. couldn't care less what Cardiff fans think of him it's what he does for WBA. I'd never heard of Odemwingie and he turned out alright so I'll wait and see before building any gallows.
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let's just give the guy a chance eh?
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let's just give the guy a chance eh?
A voice of reason mate!
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starts from a blank canvas for me as I know nothing of the lad. couldn't care less what Cardiff fans think of him it's what he does for WBA. I'd never heard of Odemwingie and he turned out alright so I'll wait and see before building any gallows.
Before signing for us Odemwingie had played for Lille & Lokomotiv Moscow (who signed him for £14m dollars) and played in the champions league. He also had 54 international caps for Nigeria, had played at the World Cup, four African cups of nations (voted into team of the tournament in 2010) and the Olympics. In 2006/07 he scored two goals against AC Milan at the San Siro. He was a top player of real pedigree, the real deal. Our decline commenced when he was shunted out to the left wing.
Zohore on the other hand has is a championship player with some assets (size, age and potential) and weaknesses with a fair few detractors (uninspiring goal record, inconsistent, questionable work rate), not least many of his own Cardiff fans. He will have my support like any new player but I'm not dancing on the ceiling.
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Yeah...hopefully.
Good god let's give the bloke a fair chance first.
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Before signing for us Odemwingie had played for Lille & Lokomotiv Moscow (who signed him for £14m dollars) and played in the champions league. He also had 54 international caps for Nigeria, had played at the World Cup, four African cups of nations (voted into team of the tournament in 2010) and the Olympics. In 2006/07 he scored two goals against AC Milan at the San Siro. He was a top player of real pedigree, the real deal. Our decline commenced when he was shunted out to the left wing.
Zohore on the other hand has is a championship player with some assets (size, age and potential) and weaknesses with a fair few detractors (uninspiring goal record, inconsistent, questionable work rate), not least many of his own Cardiff fans. He will have my support like any new player but I'm not dancing on the ceiling.
Bizarre. When we signed Odemwingie we were in the premier league. Wake up.
This kind of attitude is to be expected from many on this forum these days sadly.
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Good god let's give the bloke a fair chance first.
I will. I just don't fancy this signing whatsoever.
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Yeah...hopefully.
Give him a chance please!
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Sky Sports reporting that he’s passed his medical and now agreed personal terms. Imagine it’ll be tied up today this one.
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From sky transfer zone:
WEST BROM SET TO CONFIRM ZOHORE
West Brom are expected to confirm the £8m signing of Cardiff striker Kenneth Zohore from later today, according to Sky sources.
Zohore has passed his medical at the Hawthorns and now agreed personal terms with the Baggies.
Slaven Bilic sees Zohore as a direct replacement for Salomon Rondon, who has this morning joined Chinese side Dalian Yifang for an undisclosed fee.
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Still need at least one if not two strikers.
Hope this lad does well.
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Yes we need another 1 at least. good luck at the Albion Kenneth. baggie mania your fellow countryman at the albion :)
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I’m also not over excited by this signing but hoping that he completely proves me wrong. Another 2 strikers still required imo
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I’m also not over excited by this signing but hoping that he completely proves me wrong. Another 2 strikers still required imo
only way we'll get in another is to move HRK on - good luck trying to drum up support for that sale with other clubs :D
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Officially signed. Just announced on Twitter.
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Signed and sealed. 4 year deal.
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https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/july/albion-sign-zohore/?fbclid=IwAR0Y_x8o-D8_Lv9oDIZoS4Wu67BCNI4goDIZWxraWAZaPfmhUzrLltx2Wq8
Officially signed
Welcome to the club Kenneth!
Looking forward to see what you bring
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Hopefully goals, Tom.
Welcome, Kenneth
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Welcome bigman.
Hopefully spend your best years here.
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Welcome Kenneth, looking forward to seeing you bang a few in for the Baggies! COYB
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Welcome Kenneth, prove the doubters wrong
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Before signing for us Odemwingie had played for Lille & Lokomotiv Moscow (who signed him for £14m dollars) and played in the champions league. He also had 54 international caps for Nigeria, had played at the World Cup, four African cups of nations (voted into team of the tournament in 2010) and the Olympics. In 2006/07 he scored two goals against AC Milan at the San Siro. He was a top player of real pedigree, the real deal. Our decline commenced when he was shunted out to the left wing.
Zohore on the other hand has is a championship player with some assets (size, age and potential) and weaknesses with a fair few detractors (uninspiring goal record, inconsistent, questionable work rate), not least many of his own Cardiff fans. He will have my support like any new player but I'm not dancing on the ceiling.
Coming to a Championship Club This is the table we are now eating at.
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Our new Number 9......
Welcome to the Club Kenneth :)
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Welcome Ken. Go get 'em son.
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It's not an inspiring signing, but he has unfulfilled potential. If he can realise it, then it's an astute bit of business.
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I'm glad we have a solid, experienced CF to replace Rondon, let's see if Bilic can get an extra gear out of him where Colin maybe couldn't.
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Welcome Kennth.
So we have a target man now, one more goalscorer is needed.
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Think this could be a good signing if he’s been bought in as a 2nd striker type and we get a prolific goal scorer next to him (as Slav has said he wants to play with 2 up top I hope this is the case) if we are relying on him as our main goal scorer our goals for column is going to take a hit next year.
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Welcome aboard the good ship Albion.
We have had many great players that have worn the number 9 shirt for us over the years and I hope you join that illustrious group.
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Welcome to the Baggies Kenneth, hope you bring that form that helped win promotion for Cardiff two years ago. Hopefully Bilic can coach any weaknesses out of him and he can realise his potential a bit more.
Hopefully another strike partner for you will also be on the way.
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Welcome Kennth.
So we have a target man now, one more goal scorer is needed.
I would like to see two more, in this division you can't have enough.
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Vydra alongside him?
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Very, very good signing. Yes he’s gone off the boil lately but he’s been crying out to be played in an attacking formation with a supporting striker. He’ll get that at Albion under Bilic. I am confident he’ll get more open play goals than JRod, much more to his game and he’s quicker and more skilful. On top of that only 25, this guy will excite, great signing.
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What is his goals per game ratio ?
I'll ask him. What's the frequency, kenneth ?
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I would like to see two more, in this division you can't have enough.
I'd rather have one good natural goalscorer next to him, than 2 run-of-the mill types. The more you buy, the less quality you'll get, given we only have so much in our budget.
I'm hoping someone like Neal Maupay is still a possibility.
Otherwise, best of luck to Ken, and maybe he can contribute a fair few goals himself.
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What is his goals per game ratio ?
I'll ask him. What's the frequency, kenneth ?
It's not bad, but if it's a straight £8m upfront then it's the end of the world as know it.
Good Luck Kenny. Bang em in son.
Anybody have any insider info about the actual fee?
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Not a super inspiring signing, would have preferred if we could have kept JRod, but looks "okay" and can't expect Premier quality in the Championship I guess.
Seems to strongly favour his left foot and doesn't seem to be a big presence in the air for a taller striker, but hopefully Bilic can get the best out of him.
Considering where we are as a club this is a reasonably good signing and in an area we need some serious coverage.
I would say at a minimum we need 1 more quality striker (how I wish we had kept signed Gayle), because if he goes down at all, god help us.
I did like he seemed comfortable taking shots outside the box I have to say.
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Happy with the age profile, happy it's a permanent. Slightly underwhelmed with the quality but it's where we're at now - I've been calling for us to rebuild the squad for years, we've left it until we were forced to and we just can't attract the same level of talent that we could have before.
I think he's comfortably better than HRK but not quite in the Gayle/JRod bracket. Fee and squad number suggest he will be our main striker so we need decent alternative options. I think we need 2 more in, someone like Vydra and then a youngster on loan from the top 6.
We also need to be scrapping the 442 rubbish. Doesn't suit the squad and almost obsolete in the modern game. Get 2 wingers in support of Zohore and Krovinovic pulling the strings.
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I agree that it seems he will be our no.1 striker and am fairly happy with the signing. Never one to judge a player I have barely (if ever) seen play before he plays for us and if Bilic likes him then I'm happy to take his word. I do feel that we're more likely to play 1 up top with Krovinovic behind and two wingers.
Vydra alongside him?
Happy with the age profile, happy it's a permanent. Slightly underwhelmed with the quality but it's where we're at now - I've been calling for us to rebuild the squad for years, we've left it until we were forced to and we just can't attract the same level of talent that we could have before.
I think he's comfortably better than HRK but not quite in the Gayle/JRod bracket. Fee and squad number suggest he will be our main striker so we need decent alternative options. I think we need 2 more in, someone like Vydra and then a youngster on loan from the top 6.
We also need to be scrapping the 442 rubbish. Doesn't suit the squad and almost obsolete in the modern game. Get 2 wingers in support of Zohore and Krovinovic pulling the strings.
If we can't get Vydra (who I like and felt he never really got a chance when he was here), would anyone be interested in Nakhi Wells? Read an article which suggested he was perhaps more likely than Vydra to leave Burnley and has a good record at this level, albeit he is a couple of years older than Vydra.
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What is his goals per game ratio ?
I'll ask him. What's the frequency, kenneth ?
Great little REM link Tank, loving it.
Welcome Kenneth! Few bitter Bluebirds about, but don't suppose I'd be too happy if he'd got his bag packed as soon as another club in the same division, showed an interest. Another striker or two, still needed, but decent signing imo.
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If I here this "whats the frequency" thing once more I'm going to hunt someone down and subject them to a horrible death. 8)
STOP IT!
(FAO police, I won't really kill anyone ;))
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It’s better than de ye ken John peel ay it
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Welcome Kenneth! Looking forward to seeing you in the stripes!
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Welcome to the Albion!
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It's not bad, but if it's a straight £8m upfront then it's the end of the world as know it.
Good Luck Kenny. Bang em in son.
Anybody have any insider info about the actual fee?
Unsure of source reliability but I've read elsewhere the actual fee's in the region of £2mill-2.5mill with the rest made up of add ons relating to goals and promotion etc. Don't shoot the messenger if this turns out to be incorrect though.
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Why worry about the fee?
He is here and that is the main thing.
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Why worry about the fee?
He is here and that is the main thing.
Hmmm, because it impacts directly on the budget that's available for other players?
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Glad to have a new player through the door, even if I don't love the signing. Was starting to get desperate.
We have to hope he can thrive in a more progressive team, as there are a lot of players out there who just click at certain clubs.
Hard to work out my feelings overall.
On the fee, it could be structured so the up front payment is very small, and the add ons are all about success. That makes it easier to get in board with. I still look at this deal as over paying though. If we have paid, say 4 million up front, that is still a decent chunk of a fee for this division. Goals and promotion may be the add ons, but if one is appearances, he could easily be very average and make a number of appearances (HRK). He had 1 year left on his deal at Cardiff, and so it just feels a bit expensive.
The reports about him paint a picture of a slightly injury prone inigma. A player who can dominate a match and put in the performance of a premier league class striker, but who generally flatters to deceive. I think Dowling and co are looking at the positives and thinking he could perform more often in an attacking team.
If he is a second striker to a more prolific player who we sign later in the window, then his goalscoring record actually looks ok. Your second forward only really needs 10 goals. It seems he can play with a strike partner and with wide forwards so that is 2 options. He just can't play as a lone forward with a flat midfield.
Fingers crossed a few more follow now.
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Hmmm, because it impacts directly on the budget that's available for other players?
Amen to that Dan. As fans, we should take an active interest in what OUR club spends. If we over spend it could put the long term future of the club in jeopardy, and if we blow the majority of our budget on 1 player then we should be asking questions about our strategy.
I think a lot of fans would like their fellow supporters to be passive observers, but this is our club and when the big clubs sail off into the European super league shaped distance, we will be what is left.
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Unsure of source reliability but I've read elsewhere the actual fee's in the region of £2mill-2.5mill with the rest made up of add ons relating to goals and promotion etc. Don't shoot the messenger if this turns out to be incorrect though.
I hope you are right.
I read we got him because he would not extend his contract so maybe that is why we got him cheap.
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Reminds me of Ish Miller. Should be a decent signing.
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Reminds me of Ish Miller. Should be a decent signing.
Strangely enough, I keep getting Ishmael Miller flashbacks as well. We just didn't spend 8 mil on him 😂
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Reminds me of Ish Miller. Should be a decent signing.
my thoughts exactly when I saw his highlights, pacey, powerful, maybe not a natural finisher and predominantly left footed.
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Welcome to the club!
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Can't help but think a quality strike partner is needed, any suggestions?
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Welcome to the Albion and good luck.
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Can't help but think a quality strike partner is needed, any suggestions?
Agreed. Feels like one piece of the puzzle, but not the final piece. I'd like to think we are looking at a Gayle-esque type but not sure who our budget could run to?
I wouldn't be totally adverse, in this instance, to signing a more experienced player on a short term deal. Maybe someone on the downward slope of their career, but who could still rattle them in at this level. Would also help in developing Zohore further, as well as our younger forwards. No idea who though.
However, good luck to to our new number 9 and welcome aboard
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My bold prediction on this one. Zohore will get twenty goals for us next season, injuries permitting.
Looking at the type of striker he is, I can see why it hasn't worked for him in the Premier League yet. A lot of his goals come off the back of poor individual defending which you don't get so much in the Premier League especially when you're playing for a team like Cardiff.
At Championship level, playing for Albion I'd back Zohore to get twenty goals. He's got pace about him and power but unlike Oli Burke for instance, Zohore seems to know how to utilise those assets. He is composed in front of goal, can finish off either foot and anywhere around the penalty area he is dangerous on his left foot he has a serious weapon there. He also gets on the end of crosses and scores those six yard box goals which someone like JRod didn't do nearly enough of. Gayle did.
As Bilic said Zohore seems to have a bit of everything and I can definitely see him being a big hit at the Hawthorns, this can be a very good signing.
Looking at his interview he seems very laid back but gives me the impression he one of those players that needs an arm round him and a head coach to believe in him. Bilic should be more much of a fit for someone ike Zohore than someone like Warnock was.
Mark my words - we needed a 20 goal striker -we've signed one.
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I 10000%hope you are right, i'm not convinced personally but he has my full backing.
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not necessarily a striker I would have thought about and 8m is a lot of dough , if its structured through goal bonus, appearances then all well and good, what I have seen of him he looks to have the necessary tools for a strikers role , finishing ? but as always we welcome him to the club and hope that he can join a long line of albion no 9 heroes.
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Anyone got any feedback from his 30 minutes cameo yesterday?
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not necessarily a striker I would have thought about and 8m is a lot of dough , if its structured through goal bonus, appearances then all well and good, what I have seen of him he looks to have the necessary tools for a strikers role , finishing ? but as always we welcome him to the club and hope that he can join a long line of albion no 9 heroes.
I've heard it could be as low as £2m to £2.5m down, with a lot of the deal dependent on achievement - his and the teams.
He was in the last year of his Cardiff deal, and supposedly wasn't 100% happy there.
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Interesting to note how Cardiff are replacing Zohore.
£5.5 million being spent on Robert Glatzel from Bundesliga 2 side Heidenheim.
13 goals last season in the German equivilant of the championship, and with previous tallies of 15 goals and 12 goals in previous seasons (albeit in their league 1).
Zohore last scored 12 goals 3 years ago in his only double figures goalscoring season.
Now goals aren't everything and a player like Zohore brings different attributes, but I just wanted to post the comparison to back up what I said previously. I think paying £8 million for him was probably a wee bit too much when compared to what we could have got on the continent - ie - a player with a slightly better record for 2.5 million cheaper.
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Interesting to note how Cardiff are replacing Zohore.
£5.5 million being spent on Robert Glatzel from Bundesliga 2 side Heidenheim.
13 goals last season in the German equivilant of the championship, and with previous tallies of 15 goals and 12 goals in previous seasons (albeit in their league 1).
Zohore last scored 12 goals 3 years ago in his only double figures goalscoring season.
Now goals aren't everything and a player like Zohore brings different attributes, but I just wanted to post the comparison to back up what I said previously. I think paying £8 million for him was probably a wee bit too much when compared to what we could have got on the continent - ie - a player with a slightly better record for 2.5 million cheaper.
I'm not sure how well Bundesliga 2 stats translate really, Hull and Burnley have both tried buying top scorers from that division and they've both flopped massively - Glatzel scored 4 in 29 the season before last too. I don't think Zohore is good value but I don't think paying 5.5m for this Glatzel seems particularly good value either.
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I'm not sure how well Bundesliga 2 stats translate really, Hull and Burnley have both tried buying top scorers from that division and they've both flopped massively - Glatzel scored 4 in 29 the season before last too. I don't think Zohore is good value but I don't think paying 5.5m for this Glatzel seems particularly good value either.
Oh I don’t necessarily think it’s a brilliant deal myself, but his goal scoring record is similar to Zahore’s and they have paid 2.5 mil less. The point was more about the difference in fees at home and abroad, and why I have the view that we have over paid in this case.
As for the Hennings and Proschwitz flops, it could be indicative of the Championship being tougher or a step up on Bundesliga 2, or it could be two cases of players failing to adapt. Interesting to see if Glatzel flops or not. My own preference is to look at Ligue 2 rather than 2 Bundesliga.
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It’s only going to get worse if we sign Ajeti. I’ve spelt it Ajati near enough every time I have written it.
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Really think this guy could be key for us. People seem to be underestimating him as he only got one last season but he had an injury. Season before that Cardiff wanted £30 mill, genuinely think Zohore could be our best signing. Obviously not as clinical as Gayle but think his all round play will be better and I also think we will create more chances this season. The midfield is so much more balanced, especially when the new winger comes in ;)
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some will love this others want :D
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-whelan-claims-new-west-brom-signing-upgrade-on-international-ace-sold-this-summer/
EXCLUSIVE
Noel Whelan has compared new West Brom striker Kenneth Zohore to former Baggies forward Salomon Rondon after his arrival from Cardiff City this summer.
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Be nice if the big man can get a goal and get the pressure off himself early. We are desperately short up top
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Thought he got better as the game went on.
Some of his earlier touches were ugly but eventually got involved properly and held it up well...as seen with the difference in possession when he came off for Burke.
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The time he showed his strength was when we cleared the ball and he had the chance to run after it and use his size against the Forest defence. Clearly not a back to goal type.
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He didn’t do a lot, but we seemed to miss him hen he went off as 5ey started to control the game. He can se4e a purpose in this team as long as he is partnered with a good winger or a good goal scorer,
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The one signing I really wasn't sure about, probably due to the price tag.
Looks like he's got a bit of everything. Strength, good pace, can hold it up and bring others into play. Just didn't seem to put himself about as much, and that's not necessarily a negative thing as there are very good strikers who don't go sprinting all over the place all game.
Need to see him get a few chances and we'll see how clinical he is.
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I think he's a striker low on confidence. I think Bilic can get this kid firing. I've watched his highlights and while you can't read to much into limited viewing, what I can say is that he undoubtedly has ability. He's scored some good goals. His confidence was likely to have taken a knock in a Colin side so maybe he just needs everyone's favourite Croatian apart from Goran of course, to get him to believe in himself.
That's what I saw today...a team that had belief and confidence even when going behind. We're going to pi55 this league this year lads. This is Lai's best chance at getting his money back. If he f#@*s this up, his investment has failed.
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These things happen.
Nothing is perfect
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The one signing I really wasn't sure about, probably due to the price tag.
Looks like he's got a bit of everything. Strength, good pace, can hold it up and bring others into play. Just didn't seem to put himself about as much, and that's not necessarily a negative thing as there are very good strikers who don't go sprinting all over the place all game.
Need to see him get a few chances and we'll see how clinical he is.
Not knocking him yet! One game isn't enough to judge him, but I didn't see any of the things you have mentioned perhaps i was at a different game to you.
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The one signing I really wasn't sure about, probably due to the price tag.
Looks like he's got a bit of everything. Strength, good pace, can hold it up and bring others into play. Just didn't seem to put himself about as much, and that's not necessarily a negative thing as there are very good strikers who don't go sprinting all over the place all game.
Need to see him get a few chances and we'll see how clinical he is.
Very fair assessment, but he will need to be on the mark early on in order to satisfy some of our more fickle supporters.
I fear he will be compared to Gayle, and Gayle he is not.
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We missed him when he went off we lost an out ball when we were under pressure. I think he is going to be useful.
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We missed him when he went off we lost an out ball when we were under pressure. I think he is going to be useful.
Correct nothing stuck and we had no real outlet. I even thought to myself wow even HRK offers more than what Burke is
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He grew into the game i think. First half he held it up a bit but the ball was bouncing off him a bit. Towards the end of the first half up to when he went off he was much improved.
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He strikes me as the type of player who will look a totally different player once he has a run of games and grabs a goal.
As others have said, I thought once he came off we invited a lot of pressure on ourselves as we had no outlet. Burke was about as useful as Leko was up top against Villa in the play offs.
Just highlights how important it is we bring in another striker this week.
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We missed him when he went off we lost an out ball when we were under pressure. I think he is going to be useful.
Would agree with that, he certainly offers a presence up there. Hopefully he will get a first goal for us at the weekend and the confidence will start to flow, he certainly looks a handful despite some iffy touches.
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didnt think he was great to be honest initially, but then once he came off i then noticed the difference and the work he did off the ball and drag defenders with him where as burke isnt a natural striker.
i think he is a big confidence player but hopefully he can come good.
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There's a bit of Marc Fortune about him , suspect he won't score loads but will bring others into the game and chip in with a few himself.
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His touch and forward runs were horrendous Saturday imo. Most of the time he had the ball he seemed to lose it ... May work better in a 2?
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His touch and forward runs were horrendous Saturday imo. Most of the time he had the ball he seemed to lose it ... May work better in a 2?
Agree with this mate I was at the game and watched him for about 20 mins he showed nothing. When i got back to the pub in west bromwich the first thing the lads said to me was what the #$@@ have we bought up front again? As I said in a previous post though, was i can't judge him on one performance so let's see what happens. Oh and this doesn't make me fickle it's just my observations.
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His touch and forward runs were horrendous Saturday imo. Most of the time he had the ball he seemed to lose it ... May work better in a 2?
Definitely needs someone with him, not a loan striker target man, despite his size. He's better going at defenders than with his back to goal, could work well with Gayle (or someone similar)
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Not great debut and didn’t score preseason.
His touch was off too, but it’s one game. He didn’t have a chance, and grabham for forest is decent but he was quiet too so need to give him time
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I don't think he had a bad game by any stretch. Held the ball up well and it's notable that we looked much better going forward when he was on the field, despite him not seeing a great deal of the ball. Suggests to me that he was effective in pulling players out of position to create space for others, which is just as useful if you have someone else to put the ball in the net.
Additionally, he would have had a great chance to score if Edwards had taken the (IMO more sensible) option to square to him after he'd cut in from the wing. Zohore was in the perfect spot to knock it in and if he had we might be having a different conversation about him now.
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During his 63 minutes on the field, he received 18 passes:
Defensive Third 1 (0)* 0.00%
Middle Third 8 (5)* 62.50%
Attacking Third 7 (4)* 57.14%
Penalty Area 2 (1)* 50.00%
Total 18 (13)* 72.22%
*The figure in brackets are passes that he successfully took.
He made 16 passes 9 of which were successful, 56.2% completion rate.
Comparing him to Forests Lewis Grabban
During his 90 minutes on the field, he received 13 passes:
Defensive Third 3 (2) 66.66%
Middle Third 5 (5) 100%
Attacking Third 3 (2) 66.66%
Penalty Area 1 (0) 0.00%
Total 12 (10) 83.33%
He made 11 passes 9 of which were successful, 81.81%% completion rate.
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All the anecdotal evidence coming out of Cardiff told us he wasn't a hold up man. He's an Ish Miller type striker.
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Only one game and already the Piranah Fish are after him.
Bloody shameful.
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Overall, I think his states hold up against Grabben, who had 30% more pitch time than him and in a home side that were chasing the game in the last 30 minutes or so.
Not at all unhappy with his debut outing
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He may be one of those forwards that needs a goal to build his confidence. Its far too early to be jumping to any conclusions.
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Only one game and already the Piranah Fish are after him.
Bloody shameful.
So unless it’s positive feedback people can’t give an opinion?
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Only one game and already the Piranah Fish are after him.
Bloody shameful.
Shameful to have an opinion and to say what you observed? I haven't read one post where anyone is after him just saying what we think, and i hope he comes off i don't want or like to see any Albion player fail.
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As soon as he came off we lost control of the game. He had us further up the pitch with his physical presence.
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As soon as he came off we lost control of the game. He had us further up the pitch with his physical presence.
You have a strong point, you only have to look at the attacking dashboard for confirmation of that. Although there were other factors to be fair.
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You have a strong point, you only have to look at the attacking dashboard for confirmation of that. Although there were other factors to be fair.
Definitely there is a tendency to sit back on a slender lead away from home with 15 minutes left. Not as cut and dried as Zohore effective; Burke ineffective.
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Jurys going to be out for a few games yet,my intial impression is not great,passing and ball control poor a bit worried why Cardiff wanted to offload when in the same division,a couple of dingle fans have told me that apparently he was Cardiffs best player against them,so maybe Slaven can get the best out of him,heres hoping.
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Didn’t Colin call him a lazy buggr? Let’s hope Mr Bilic can get the best out of him.
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It was a good goal line clearance to stop him getting off the mark yesterday. He hit it with conviction and cleanly. Lets let the lad have a bit of time before we judge him, yesterday was a fine margin between him being off the mark and not.
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I think he was looking for space but not running into it,I disagree that he hit it cleanly from memory he seemed of balance but he should have scored,I was in the corner of Smethwick/ halforfs lane corner so I had a good view also who was behind him one of our players?
He's trying so let's see
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I think he was looking for space but not running into it,I disagree that he hit it cleanly from memory he seemed of balance but he should have scored,I was in the corner of Smethwick/ halforfs lane corner so I had a good view also who was behind him one of our players?
He's trying so let's see
I've seen it on TV a few times, looked a clean hit to me to be fair.
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I've seen it on TV a few times, looked a clean hit to me to be fair.
It was a sitter hit straight at the defender stood on the line. Had all the time in the World to do what he wanted with it and should have buried it.
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Seeing as he has been subbed twice around the hour mark I think he still as a way to go for fitness I will give him the benefit of the doubt until he is 100% match fit that probably goes for the four lads we signed on deadline day.
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It was a sitter hit straight at the defender stood on the line. Had all the time in the World to do what he wanted with it and should have buried it.
I thought he should have scored too but in fairness he didn't hit it straight at the defender.
He placed it to the left of the defender and into the centre of the goal.
The keeper just about recovered his position and saved it with his foot.
Hits it harder and he scores though.
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He should lift it a bit there, with players on the line that's what you do. You make it a lot tougher for them to stick out a leg.
I think we need to give him some time. He'll be absolutely frustrated he didn't tuck that away.
At least he hit the target HRK would have tripped over the ball and given a freekick away.
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No debate no excuses he should have scored simple as really
Got to give him time though , we’re only 2 games in
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He should lift it a bit there, with players on the line that's what you do. You make it a lot tougher for them to stick out a leg.
I think we need to give him some time. He'll be absolutely frustrated he didn't tuck that away.
At least he hit the target HRK would have tripped over the ball and given a freekick away.
Got a crystal ball have you? How could you possibly know what HRK would have done? He was way better than Zohore when he came on. Get off his back.
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Think he will do well with Austin alongside. Looks a little short on fitness but give it a few games and I can see him making an impact.
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Got a crystal ball have you? How could you possibly know what HRK would have done? He was way better than Zohore when he came on. Get off his back.
"Way better"? Not at all. It was HRK who gave the ball away INCREDIBLY cheaply that turned over possession for their goal. He literally misplaced a 5 yard pass into space.
You're right though, I don't know what he would do. But a) he never got into that position while he was on the pitch and b) you don't know what he would have done either.
Either way, I'd rather Zohore played ahead of HRK
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Early days yet, not seen a replay of the miss, but did look like he should score it
Prefer him over HRK - but neither are going to replace the goals of J-Rod or Gayle separately or combined. In all honesty be surprised if either gets to double digits, but would love both to prove me wrong
As I say still think its early in his albion career and maybe playing in a front 2 could help him, though if thats the option not sure who makes way for someone like Austin if he comes in to play alongside
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Got a crystal ball have you? How could you possibly know what HRK would have done? He was way better than Zohore when he came on. Get off his back.
Zohore has played a couple of games, Kanu has played dozens and is cack. Crystal ball may say Kenneth is poor, history says Kanu is.
And he wasn't way better be was equally poor.
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"Way better"? Not at all. It was HRK who gave the ball away INCREDIBLY cheaply that turned over possession for their goal. He literally misplaced a 5 yard pass into space.
You're right though, I don't know what he would do. But a) he never got into that position while he was on the pitch and b) you don't know what he would have done either.
Either way, I'd rather Zohore played ahead of HRK
He gave a five yard pass away just outside Millwall's 18 yard box! So it was his fault no other Albion player stopped the ball going all the way down the other end if the pitch? What I have seen of Zohore so far i would sooner have Brown no idea!
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absolute disgrace from a so called fan
Not really. We’ve just spent 8 million quid on this bloke. Only two games but he really is going to have to improve to justify his fee.
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absolute disgrace from a so called fan
Agreed if this board had upticks I'm sure you would have a few I must admit I despair of the modern fan I see Dawson has come in for a lot of stick all these fans should be scouts being able to spot how could a player is from 90 minutes of football they could save their clubs a fortune.
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Zohore has played a couple of games, Kanu has played dozens and is cack. Crystal ball may say Kenneth is poor, history says Kanu is.
And he wasn't way better be was equally poor.
Your opinion he was poor my opinion he wasn't and everyone else sitting around me in the ground where of the same opinion HRK was better.
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I’m afraid that Zohore will fall into the donkey category. There’s no chance he’ll score enough goals to justify having him in the team. Apart from missing a sitter, his laziness cost us and Krovinovich a goal. We really would be better off with Brunty at centre forward.
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He gave a five yard pass away just outside Millwall's 18 yard box! So it was his fault no other Albion player stopped the ball going all the way down the other end if the pitch? What I have seen of Zohore so far i would sooner have Brown no idea!
I didn't say he was at fault for the goal. I said he gave the ball away incredibly cheaply that led to the turnover for the goal. I would expect a pub player to make that pass 99 times out of 100.
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absolute disgrace from a so called fan
hardly, it’s a paying customer voicing an opinion with a bit of humour, there was a similar chant about bobby Zamora years ago. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to sit a celebrate mediocrity, on initial showing the guy hasn’t justified anywhere near his fee and paying customers have every right to voice an opinion on it, if you paid for a meal and you’re waiter was rubbish you’d tell the manager, why is football different to any other industry that you must be positive about your team 100% of the time?
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I think the point is, give players a chance before slating them.
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I think the point is, give players a chance before slating them.
This is exactly the point. He has played 2 hours of competive football for us and deserves to be given some more time before being slated and even then if he is not up to it there is no need to make childish songs up about him. Not every new signing hits the ground running and in my opinion he is being asked to play a role as a lone striker (target man) which clearly does not suit his style of play.
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Come on guys give the bloke a chance.
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Jesus, never seen this much criticism and harshness after just two games about a player.
Looks like a few have made their mind up already which is a bit of a shame
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I'm reserving judgement until he's up to speed with his teammates and up to speed fitness wise.
He hasn't played too much football over the last year and hasn't had a solid run of games.
There are some bits where he has looked useful, and other times he hasn't looked as sharp. Granted on Saturday he should have stuck that chance away. We looked better with him on the pitch than off it against Forest.
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Should have buried that open goal chance, His job every day every week is to just finish, Get you're shooting right. How in the world strikers these days look sunday league level type finishers is abysmal. Not a slant on him as Luke Moore was atrocious, Just baffles me that they do this job every day and still mess up the basics.
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he is a very very average striker.
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Jesus, never seen this much criticism and harshness after just two games about a player.
Looks like a few have made their mind up already which is a bit of a shame
Although its only two games here, he is a player who has been publicly questioned both last summer and last Christmas by his manager (at the time) for his application, effort and apparent inability to 'push' himself.
I think that will always lead to questions earlier than you would expect for a player who had a clean slate. Its also in my opinion why I think it was a strange signing.
Warnock did add that he was a 'good lad' and that he didn't think he was doing it on purpose. That could have been an attempt to protect the asset and/or it could genuinely be true.
My concern is that if he is incredibly laid back and languid, those type of traits don't really seem to change as they are quite ingrained in a personality.
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Has he impressed me so far this season? No, but he hasn't been awful.
I would say the jury is still out. He wasn't really in the game on Saturday. If we hit September / October time and he's still being ineffective, then it's time to question it.
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I know that YouTube clips can be misleading but have a look. At some point for Cardiff in this division he has destroyed defenders with pace and power and been able to apply a cool finish. He then doesn't play for best part of a year, loses his match fitness and has his confidence shot by a year playing against PL defenders in a division that some strikers are just not able to make the step up to (ask a certain Mr Gayle). If we can find the player in there that is in those clips, get him fit and confident then who knows.......don't think the £8 million price tag has helped either, do we actually know what we paid up front? The vine suggested was that it was closer to £2 million upfront??
Lets just hope that those people who have already made up their mind about him don't voice their feelings at the ground! This is a player that COULD turn into a real player in this division, but will need support.
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Should have buried that open goal chance, His job every day every week is to just finish, Get you're shooting right. How in the world strikers these days look sunday league level type finishers is abysmal. Not a slant on him as Luke Moore was atrocious, Just baffles me that they do this job every day and still mess up the basics.
I am not defending him as any striker should have buried that chance. However having a keeper and a defender on the line isn’t an open goal.
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He has been poor in the first 2 games but that is all it is is 2 games. The trouble he has is he is coming into a position previously held by Gayle and J-Rod
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I think it was a bit of a strange signing too especially for the reported fee. His goalscoring record is very average. We definitely needed more of a target man in the squad. I'd have liked to see us go for someone like Jutkiewicz at Blues instead. Would have got him on the cheap and I honestly think he'll score more than Zohore will this season.
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I am not defending him as any striker should have buried that chance. However having a keeper and a defender on the line isn’t an open goal.
Agree. Seen far worse misses than that. Hit it first time and kept it low and on target (although I'd have fancied my chances too)! :D Lets cut him some slack and see how he does when he reaches full match fitness.
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He has been poor in the first 2 games but that is all it is is 2 games. The trouble he has is he is coming into a position previously held by Gayle and J-Rod
and many on here thought he was bobbins too......
I really am not sure how you can write him off after two games. So he missed one on Saturday, and it probably wont be his last either. He needs to work with the team and they all need to understand how each other play. I am quite sure that Slavan and his team will be working on it as we speak.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do once we work out how to supply him. For all our possession over the grand total of two games this season we haven't given him much to feed off. I've seen the video of his goals at Cardiff mentioned above and there is a player in there. His skill set seems better suited to a counter attacking side and in truth he may well have shone had he been playing for Millwall on Saturday. Obviously we're looking to play higher up the pitch. Once our squad becomes fully integrated we should gain tempo and momentum, hit the front quicker while playing quick diagonals for him to run onto. Hopefully we'll see the best of him then.
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He hasn't done as bad as been made out.
I thought he was good at Forest and he was quieter on Saturday. He looks very much perfect foil for the likes of Edwards and Krov, enabling those players to play off him.
He will be disappointed to miss his chance on Saturday, but credit to the defender and keeper who got back to make it difficult.
Aside from that, we did not create anything for him of note.
He's two games into his Albion career - with our new reinforcements currently in the stands.
I'll reserve judgement so far.
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Give the guy 10 games minimum before you judge him. He's got talent.
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Give the guy 10 games minimum before you judge him. He's got talent.
some people are able to make an accurate decision after 2 games, others 10 and even more.
after 2 games i am confident that he is an average championship striker and would be amazed if he scores more than 10. thats not slagging him off before anyone says it, thats just my opinion of him and one that i am very confident with.
i hope he proves me wrong. lets see if he does.
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some people are able to make an accurate decision after 2 games, others 10 and even more.
after 2 games i am confident that he is an average championship striker and would be amazed if he scores more than 10. thats not slagging him off before anyone says it, thats just my opinion of him and one that i am very confident with.
i hope he proves me wrong. lets see if he does.
His track record says he is not a prolific scorer so I don't think we signed him on his goalscoring ability alone he must have other attributes that made us want him, as others have said give it 10 games when his fitness is up to speed before putting in the Luke Moore category.
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Not sure how anyone can judge a player on just 2 games. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do.
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Not sure how anyone can judge a player on just 2 games. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do.
its quite simple really. you can easily assess a players touch, work rate, pace and may other attributes. hes not useless or anything like that but he is just an average championship striker and his goal record suggests that.
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Not sure how anyone can judge a player on just 2 games. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do.
In fairness my initial impressions of Kyle Bartley were garnered during our pre season friendly in Aberdeen. They've proved pretty accurate representations of his time with us thus far and it took less than ten minutes to come to those conclusions ;D .
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some people are able to make an accurate decision after 2 games, others 10 and even more.
after 2 games i am confident that he is an average championship striker and would be amazed if he scores more than 10. thats not slagging him off before anyone says it, thats just my opinion of him and one that i am very confident with.
i hope he proves me wrong. lets see if he does.
No they are not and all I can say is I'm glad the club do not employ you as a scout. 2 games is nowhere enough to judge a player.
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We're supposed to be on the same team here, give the guy a chance, it takes a while for some guys to settle to a new team, unfamiliar surroundings and whatever. It's a new start for a new regime - Rome wasn't built in a day - 2 games gone, 44 more to go, we're not going to win every game, we'll win some we shouldn't and vice versa, I'm feeling more positive about things for the first time in a while - c'mon yow baggies
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No they are not and all I can say is I'm glad the club do not employ you as a scout. 2 games is nowhere enough to judge a player.
Yes they are! You can tell if a player as got it or not after one half. I haven't really seen anyone on here slag him unfairly it's just there opinions in what they have seen so far. I said Johnstone was no good after the first half of a friendly I'm still waiting to be proved wrong! But do i boo him at games? No like i would never boo anyone in a blue and white shirt.
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He hasn't done as bad as been made out.
I thought he was good at Forest and he was quieter on Saturday. He looks very much perfect foil for the likes of Edwards and Krov, enabling those players to play off him.
He will be disappointed to miss his chance on Saturday, but credit to the defender and keeper who got back to make it difficult.
Aside from that, we did not create anything for him of note.
He's two games into his Albion career - with our new reinforcements currently in the stands.
I'll reserve judgement so far.
Good post Liam, I agree with you
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When are we sending out a search party?!
Anyone know of his whereabouts
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If this guy is not good enough to get in our match day squad for the past few months, it isn’t likely he will cut it in the premier league. I think we might cut our losses now and reinvest.
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If this guy is not good enough to get in our match day squad for the past few months, it isn’t likely he will cut it in the premier league. I think we might cut our losses now and reinvest.
Think we will take a big hit on our £8m investment
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This is speculation and I might be doing the lad a disservice, but I’ve listened to a few different things with ex players recently and heard them speak about just how many ex pro’s, even very talented one, just aren’t that up for it.
They might not love football, like playing in the cold, wet, rain, even have any desire to play if they are less than 100% fit.
I think Zohore is likely one of those and you’ll never change him. The clubs dropped one here, four year contract too!
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I though he was injured to be honest.
If not then it is quite worrying. When he has played he has looked to be a threat. I would like to see a fully fit Zohore given a run in the team first before I pass judgement. Some of us on here were quick to condemn both Charlie and HRK before they found their shooting boots.
Give the guy a chance before we order the taxi.
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This is the eternal issue of playing with a lone striker. Ideally you need 3 but if things are going well one or two of those strikers will get the vast bulk of the game time and the 3rd choice barely gets a kick. In this instance Austin and HRK are chopping up the minutes between them. Now if you subscribe to the widely held opinion that HRK is useless and the somewhat less popular view that Austin is well past his prime you may conclude that Zohore is less than useless.
Zohore might be less than useless but on the available evidence you simply cannot say. The only problem now is he has had half a season of inactivity (not playing is very bad for the form and general well being of footballers see Hegazi) and if he does get on the pitch he will look a little ring rusty and well that will confirm the view that he is worse than useless.
Football squads are a zero sum game for one player to exceed expectations in this case I think HRK is giving Bilic more than he might have hoped for then another player has to fail in relative terms
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This is speculation and I might be doing the lad a disservice, but I’ve listened to a few different things with ex players recently and heard them speak about just how many ex pro’s, even very talented one, just aren’t that up for it.
They might not love football, like playing in the cold, wet, rain, even have any desire to play if they are less than 100% fit.
I think Zohore is likely one of those and you’ll never change him. The clubs dropped one here, four year contract too!
Don’t see it
We play (currently) with one up top,he’s not had a prolonged run in the team to judge him on,that’s because HRK fits the system and Austin has recently found a few goals.
The two mentioned that have found form,have possibly meant that a striker is less priority in January,and that we will look to recruit wide and defensive.
In a strange way I think zohore would be more productive than the other 2 in the prem,we would set up differently(IMO) and he would work the channels better.
Ultimately it will come down to Slav and if another team want to test our resolve....but for me there is no rush to move on a striker yet to have a prolonged 10 game run.
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Don’t see it
We play (currently) with one up top,he’s not had a prolonged run in the team to judge him on,that’s because HRK fits the system and Austin has recently found a few goals.
The two mentioned that have found form,have possibly meant that a striker is less priority in January,and that we will look to recruit wide and defensive.
In a strange way I think zohore would be more productive than the other 2 in the prem,we would set up differently(IMO) and he would work the channels better.
Ultimately it will come down to Slav and if another team want to test our resolve....but for me there is no rush to move on a striker yet to have a prolonged 10 game run.
100% agree with this, the chap has only had a couple of cameos, no basis for judgement yet,
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Think we will take a big hit on our £8m investment
The club has spent less than half of the 8m cost you quote in your post. Still strange that he’s not even making the bench I must say.
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I assume he has been playing in the reserve games... does anyone know how he has performed?
I know its a different skill level and team set up but I would expect some sort of goal tally from him.
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I assume he has been playing in the reserve games... does anyone know how he has performed?
I know its a different skill level and team set up but I would expect some sort of goal tally from him.
not really, got a couple a month or so ago, but nothing overall.
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Still strange that he’s not even making the bench I must say.
I suppose if one of either HRK or Charlie starts, given current form, and the other is on the bench a second forward is probably surplus to requirements on the bench
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I suppose if one of either HRK or Charlie starts, given current form, and the other is on the bench a second forward is probably surplus to requirements on the bench
He is a relatively high profile signing with a relatively big fee. If Zohore was putting it in training and looking a player I’m certain they would find a place for him on the bench.
If he’s not injured he’s not rated.
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Name the last player to wear our number 9 shirt and actually be a real goal threat... ::) It’s cursed.
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Quite simply the worst centre forward we have had since the days of evans and Quinn. Would be a waste of wages on a free transfer but the fact we have paid for him is extraordinary. Cardiff must have laughed their heads off when we put a bid in for him.
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Poor today and did nothing to warrant a place on bench back to 23s with A new striker urgently required
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Got no bottle, took an accidental knock to the face and lost all interest afterwards.
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It's easy enough saying move him on nobody in the right mind would pay for him
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Pretty much useless. Will be hard to move on
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For all the price LD gets for our summer what was he thinking paying the reported fee for Zohore?
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I'd let him go for whatever we can get for him.
At least that will free up a wage for someone who actually contributes.
The bloke has the heart of a slug
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Im sure Willock would Kate done a much better job. He was awful today
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Olly Burke mark II “ give him a chance he’ll come goodâ€. No, he, won’t! He really is as bad as he looks. Write off, get someone in in January.
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Blimey, i'd forgot we had Oli Burke on the books still! :-X
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Blimey, i'd forgot we had Oli Burke on the books still! :-X
Zohore is one to forget as well unfortunately
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Zohore is one to forget as well unfortunately
Agreed, nearly £20m between the 2. If we got 5 back i'd be amazed.
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Poor today and did nothing to warrant a place on bench back to 23s with A new striker urgently required
alarminly one with pace who can run
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I actually thought he was better than Austin, moved a couple of times then went down and that was about it.
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He had minimal service tbf to Zohore today.
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Quite simply the worst centre forward we have had since the days of evans and Quinn. Would be a waste of wages on a free transfer but the fact we have paid for him is extraordinary. Cardiff must have laughed their heads off when we put a bid in for him.
Bit harsh that. No one turned up against Barnsley.
HRK and Austin didn't exactly cover themselves in glory either, give the guy a chance he's hardly played this season.
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For all the price LD gets for our summer what was he thinking paying the reported fee for Zohore?
Do you know for a fact that LD was totally responsible?
He didn't do much yesterday, but neither did HRK and Austin. On another thread many are saying that collectively we were not at the races, so to condemn an Albion player for a 25 minute cameo with no meaningful service up front [for all three strikers] is a bit harsh.
We need to give the lad a chance.
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He was no worse, and yes no better, than Austin but as said elsewhere the service to him was pretty dire and Charlie really should have scored his one on one with their goalie first half
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Do you know for a fact that LD was totally responsible?
He didn't do much yesterday, but neither did HRK and Austin. On another thread many are saying that collectively we were not at the races, so to condemn an Albion player for a 25 minute cameo with no meaningful service up front [for all three strikers] is a bit harsh.
We need to give the lad a chance.
Yes and I know Billic didn't want him I know that for a fact
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Yes and I know Billic didn't want him I know that for a fact
Fair enough - I do know that you have been privy to decent info in the past.
If that is the case then it will be interesting to see how we go forward on this. I still maintain that he needs to be given the opportunity though......
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Fair enough - I do know that you have been privy to decent info in the past.
If that is the case then it will be interesting to see how we go forward on this. I still maintain that he needs to be given the opportunity though......
I have said similar....but yesterday he showed almost zero effort.
You would assume that a player in is position would at the very least show willing ?
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I have said similar....but yesterday he showed almost zero effort.
You would assume that a player in is position would at the very least show willing ?
First game back for a few weeks so again, needs to get up to speed. We afforded the same time to Charlie and he has started to come good.
I would agree with you that he needs to show willing, but our service to the number 9 position for the past couple of games has been very poor
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Do you know for a fact that LD was totally responsible?
He didn't do much yesterday, but neither did HRK and Austin. On another thread many are saying that collectively we were not at the races, so to condemn an Albion player for a 25 minute cameo with no meaningful service up front [for all three strikers] is a bit harsh.
We need to give the lad a chance.
Saved me having to type that, thank you
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From the tv he looked ok to me. Austin did nothing and Kanu did the usual where he worked hard but often turns into trouble. I’d like to see more of Zohore as I’ve not seen him on the pitch enough to figure out if there is any potential in him.
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Don't get how he was in the squad considering he's hardly played for the reserves yet Willock has done good but nowhere to be seen. I'd have thought rotating the squad would've given Willock a chance.
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Look, I think Zohore has been an awful signing but don't get the criticism of him yesterday. From where I was stood, he gave his all and made some decent runs (something I have been critical of previously).
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Seemed ok to me and I thought he should've been introduced earlier. Then again I was watching the game through Guinness goggles. To qualify that, the Guinness goggles didn't prevent me from seeing how largely ineffectual we were as a team yesterday.
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Look, I think Zohore has been an awful signing but don't get the criticism of him yesterday. From where I was stood, he gave his all and made some decent runs (something I have been critical of previously).
I think this shows how different people view stuff
Up until yesterday I was all for giving him a chance, imo yesterday’s performance was one of the most pathetic of any Albion player I have seen in the flesh
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I think this shows how different people view stuff
Up until yesterday I was all for giving him a chance, imo yesterday’s performance was one of the most pathetic of any Albion player I have seen in the flesh
He only had 28 minutes in a team on the back foot and hasn’t played for months. Can we really read too much into yesterday? I was worried when we spent big on him given his patchy goal scoring record and he hasn’t done much, but he also hasn’t been involved for a while.
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Impossible to judge him on that performance as the team just were not with it, but his lack of game time or impact highlights why we shouldn't get carried away with Dowling's work in the summer. He got some things right, Bilic got others right and they both got some things very wrong.
Zohore at 7 mil looked bad at the time and looks worse now.
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Zohore as a signing simply hasn't worked out. Perhaps the best bet is for us to shift him or loan him and bring in some energy up front. Personally, I would as I think this season is too good a chance for us to miss out on through trying to rely on Austin and HRK up front for another half a season. I think another striker who can add a physical presence up front and even a another one who can finish (Gayle) would push us towards promotion.
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Impossible to judge him on that performance as the team just were not with it, but his lack of game time or impact highlights why we shouldn't get carried away with Dowling's work in the summer. He got some things right, Bilic got others right and they both got some things very wrong.
Zohore at 7 mil looked bad at the time and looks worse now.
Well thank god we didn’t pay that
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Well thank god we didn’t pay that
At the time it was reported that the initial up front payment was £6 million with add ons to 7. I’ve seen nothing official to suggest it was much lower.
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At the time it was reported that the initial up front payment was £6 million with add ons to 7. I’ve seen nothing official to suggest it was much lower.
Same here. I’ve seen £7m and €8.9m. Although the fee is “unofficial†publicly.
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Sorry but the escalation in anti-Zohore feeling based on his opportunities on boxing day is out of proportion.
I'm pretty sure there's a player there which is why we signed him... but he definitely needs to put himself about a bit more and make more of what could be very limited opportunities in the team. In that formation though without any crosses going in and little pace in the team I'd definitely start him ahead of Austin.
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I think Billic's judgement can be trusted on this. I appreciate that players need time to bed in and maybe build their confidence, but we are in a highly competitive situation and haven't got games we can afford to experiment with. If Zohore was pulling up roots on the training ground, then Billic would have promoted him in the pecking order.
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Sorry but the escalation in anti-Zohore feeling based on his opportunities on boxing day is out of proportion.
I'm pretty sure there's a player there which is why we signed him... but he definitely needs to put himself about a bit more and make more of what could be very limited opportunities in the team. In that formation though without any crosses going in and little pace in the team I'd definitely start him ahead of Austin.
I agree with you entirely. HRK and Austin have had more opportunities, and have both been very poor at times. I think Zohore has been overlooked because he was not a "Bilic signing" and I think the same is true of Willock. Irrespective of whether or not my thoughts are correct, one thing is certainly true, and that is that the anti Kenneth Zohore attitude expressed by some in this thread is unfair in the extreme on the basis of very limited opportunities.
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At the time it was reported that the initial up front payment was £6 million with add ons to 7. I’ve seen nothing official to suggest it was much lower.
I don't think we need to worry about add-ons, given KZ's current performance levels.
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Criticism based on Thursday is definitely OTT but there was a marked difference in his attitude before and after the arm in the face.
He just hasn't got any heart, I've played cricket now for 30 years, you can always tell who's got any bottle/ticker.
Ken Zohore hasn't.
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I thought he looked decent last night. Surely needs a run in the side as HRK looks knackered and Austin is best as an impact sub.
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I thought he looked decent last night. Surely needs a run in the side as HRK looks knackered and Austin is best as an impact sub.
I agree - much more influence and heart than he displayed at Barnsley.
He was a useful sub - someone who can run down those channels and attempt to hold the ball up.
He did well, but I have still have a lot of question marks.
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Might come good, might not. His highlights reel shows quality, however, if we want top two don't think we can rely on him being the answer. Feel another striker needed, as Slav is not sure on big Ken and seems to have come to the conclusion that Charlie isn't mobile enough to start against the better teams (i think we all knew that quite early on). HRK's hold up play has been very good, but he may very well go on a run of 10 + games without a goal.
Most top teams will have four strikers anyway, and you could say that only Austin is a traditional center forward. So Big Ken as part of a four is ok, as first choice? Not at the moment.
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If he can’t score in this team then he never will here.
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If he can’t score in this team then he never will here.
I'll defend him on this point, we don't create chances for our strikers.
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I think he should continue to start for the next few games for 60mins then Austin to replace him. He would push back the oppositions defence by 10 yards. Currently, teams are squeezing our midfield with HRK. 4 or 5 starts can lift Zohore's confidence. Not that HRK has been particularly bad, but Diangana's absence has affected the team's balance.
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I think he should continue to start for the next few games for 60mins then Austin to replace him. He would push back the oppositions defence by 10 yards. Currently, teams are squeezing our midfield with HRK. 4 or 5 starts can lift Zohore's confidence. Not that HRK has been particularly bad, but Diangana's absence has affected the team's balance.
Deserves his chance after today he is more of a goal threat than HRK
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Daft as it may seem I would definitely start him in the next game. I thought he did well and has pace and power that neither Kanu nor Austin can match. He also created and then tucked away his goal which I don’t feel weve seen too often and so is something new for opposition to worry about.
I think I’d read that he is a bit of a confidence player so perhaps playing him on the same pitch where he has just scored could be a smart thing to do.
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Daft as it may seem I would definitely start him in the next game. I thought he did well and has pace and power that neither Kanu nor Austin can match. He also created and then tucked away his goal which I don’t feel weve seen too often and so is something new for opposition to worry about.
I think I’d read that he is a bit of a confidence player so perhaps playing him on the same pitch where he has just scored could be a smart thing to do.
Just needs to stop diving/falling over.
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Let's not get carried away he scored against a rubbish Charlton team, did nothing in the second half doesn't deserve a place ahead of Austin or HRK. IMO of course!
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Daft as it may seem I would definitely start him in the next game. I thought he did well and has pace and power that neither Kanu nor Austin can match. He also created and then tucked away his goal which I don’t feel weve seen too often and so is something new for opposition to worry about.
I think I’d read that he is a bit of a confidence player so perhaps playing him on the same pitch where he has just scored could be a smart thing to do.
One swallow does not a summer make
No way is he ahead of HRK
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Let's not get carried away he scored against a rubbish Charlton team, did nothing in the second half doesn't deserve a place ahead of Austin or HRK. IMO of course!
I don't think you're looking at the big picture in terms of how the team are set up. We have been far too laboured and slow in the last 5 games. More individuals with speed are required to push the opposition back. Austin never looks good when started anyway.
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I don't think you're looking at the big picture in terms of how the team are set up. We have been far too laboured and slow in the last 5 games. More individuals with speed are required to push the opposition back. Austin never looks good when started anyway.
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Not too sure about Charlie.
Kanu or Austin... Take your pick.
Prefer to start Charlie.
Bring on an old fart later.
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Just needs to stop diving/falling over.
You can apply that to all three of our front men. HRK blatant dive against Leeds.
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Not too sure about Charlie.
Kanu or Austin... Take your pick.
Prefer to start Charlie.
Bring on an old fart later.
Would that be after the marinated sprouts then? :P
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Without his goal I'd have been disappointed with his performance today , thought Austin was much better.
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Without his goal I'd have been disappointed with his performance today , thought Austin was much better.
I thought he did well aside from the goal. Showed he wanted to get at the Charlton defence, but that may have been down to the inexperience of Charlton's defenders.
With his goal I was impressed with his movement and one-two with Edwards. His shot went thro the keepers legs, so its fine margins of being called a good finish or a poor miss.
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Good player who has to "muscle in" a bit more.
Stop the "fairy" diving and get on with it.
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How much did we pay for him? Staggering because I’m struggling to pinpoint his good qualities? Nice skin fade though..
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His agent dangled the carrot and we ate the lot. Another total waste of a fee and a wage.
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People got excited as he looked good against Charlton resverrves. We know that is his level. Not first team champo action.
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People got excited as he looked good against Charlton resverrves. We know that is his level. Not first team champo action.
Have to agree. He's not really a classic No 9, because he doesn't win enough heading duels, and he's not really a forward running from deep as he's not speedy or clinical enough. Certainly nowhere near the Dwight Gale level.
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In fairness to Dowling, there were no warning signs there for him to look at before signing him. None of the Cardiff observers were saying he blew hot and cold (with his hot being very rare) and there was no way he could look at his past scoring record (10 league goals in 2 seasons) before wasting £7 million on him. You just can’t blame Dowling.....
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If I never see this donkey in an Albion shirt again it will be too soon, offers nothing to the cause and who ever agreed to pay Cardiff 8 million for him needs their head examined.
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Poor signing so far. He doesn't look at it. Maybe time to move him on if he can't be bothered. With three strikers, we cannot carry anyone. I'd rather a more limited hold up player who is committed than Zohore who looks like a player who'd fit well coasting in the background of a Pardew set up - hopefully Bilic is more ruthless
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We are completely lacking in the striking department. Badly need a mobile young goalscorer. This poor run has really highlighted our lack of a natural goalscorer
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We are completely lacking in the striking department. Badly need a mobile young goalscorer. This poor run has really highlighted our lack of a natural goalscorer
Yeah. we knew this at the start of the season but HRK's purple patch and Diangana\Periera\Phillips playing together papered over the cracks.
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Plays like Barbie not Ken. Powder puff is being far too kind.
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Plays like Barbie not Ken. Powder puff is being far too kind.
agreed.
some of his touches last night were the worst i have seen for a few years. He has scored a couple ok i get that, but last night was abysmal.
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you expect players to come in and force their way into the side and play with a vigour that can keep them in the side.
He doesnt do this ever apart from Charlton in the Cup where he put himself about
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The only thing in defence of Zohore last night (because he was awful) was that SB shot his confidence to pieces by not picking him in the starting XI after two goals in two starts.
I know he played virtually 90 mins but the damage was done by the time he came on.
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The only thing in defence of Zohore last night (because he was awful) was that SB shot his confidence to pieces by not picking him in the starting XI after two goals in two starts.
I know he played virtually 90 mins but the damage was done by the time he came on.
confidence or not he should still be able to control a ball. first half it hit his foot and it is one of the worst touches by a professional footballer i have ever seen.
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It looked as if he didn't break sweat last night. Whoever recommended him doesn't know a lot about strikers.
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It looked as if he didn't break sweat last night. Whoever recommended him doesn't know a lot about strikers.
Not just metaphorically, there was a free kick where our lot lined up, HRK and MP were drenched and KZ looked like he had just walked into a bar, fresh as a daisy, either mega fit or not trying.
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Thinking about adding him to my Mount Rushmore of the biggest striker flops i've watched.
The current mountain residents are
Fabien Defreitas
Luke Moore
Marcus Rosenberg
Clown Ideye
Question is, who makes way?
Start another mountain - you'll be able to fill it pretty quickly!
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Was a massive disappointment last night. The size and power the man possesses he should be able to bully defences at this level. Last night he failed to do that even once.
Nothing positive to add except that we have not spent £8m on him as seems to be the view of many.
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How much have we spent on him KN22?
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confidence or not he should still be able to control a ball. first half it hit his foot and it is one of the worst touches by a professional footballer i have ever seen.
I'm still trying to get his header from the first half out of my head :D
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Thinking about adding him to my Mount Rushmore of the biggest striker flops i've watched.
The current mountain residents are
Fabien Defreitas
Luke Moore
Marcus Rosenberg
Clown Ideye
Question is, who makes way?
That's your 4? Really? No Mickey Evans, Brian Quailey, Thievy Bifouma? All worse than Ideye.
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The worst Albion striker is a topic in itself and not to be held in the Kenneth Zohore thread..
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The worst Albion striker is a topic in itself and not to be held in the Kenneth Zohore thread..
more a selection box than a Topic
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How much have we spent on him KN22?
Would also like to know this. I think I'm right in saying a big portion of it was reliant on us being promoted.
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Would also like to know this. I think I'm right in saying a big portion of it was reliant on us being promoted.
From what I've heard, it's about £2.5 - £3 million down, with the rest due based on promotion, games, goals, etc.
I can't find a source on those numbers, but I'm sure that's what I had seen.
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Not as bad as most are making out...and in my eyes he worked harder than most are making out.
His touch is usually pretty decent and anyone can get a first touch wrong here and there (Rondon who unlike Zohore is/was a premier league class striker had plenty of poor touches....and so did Lukaku !).
Zohore does need more belief. The run late on where he went past one Stoke player and then scuffed the shot.....he should have taken on the next Stoke defender, he has the power and pace there he's just got to use it. He also doesn't need people getting on his back.
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It is possible that the fee is a lot less than reported, however at the time, when asked how much we had paid for Zohore up front, the local media said the down payment was around £6 or £7 million with £1 or £2 million being in add ons. They may have got it wrong - they have got a lot wrong recently - but that was what was reported at the time and I can’t find anything that says it was as low as £3 million down payment (which it should have been).
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How much have we spent on him KN22?
Whilst I cannot 100% confirm I believe that it’s half of the full value, so 4m. Still a lot I know.
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Whilst I cannot 100% confirm I believe that it’s half of the full value, so 4m. Still a lot I know.
Thank you. Still 2m too much for my liking but its done now haha
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Looked like he could hardly move during the last 5-10 mins of the game yesterday when off the ball and was then on his haunches when the full time whistle went too - He didn't start the game so it shouldn't be tiredness, I'm wondering if he's picked up a knock of some kind.
His first couple of mins he didn't quite look on the pace but then after that when we went down to 10 he was good, held up the ball well with Tuloch helping him in the corner too.
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Is he now officially a spent force and on his way at the end of the season?
My preferred option would be that the gaffer and his team are quietly working away with him in the background to try and turn him into a decent goal scoring forward for next season
But somehow doubt it
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Such a baffling signing, what were the club doing?
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Such a baffling signing, what were the club doing?
He should be so much better than we have seen, big / strong / mobile / quick.
He typifies the old school english managers recipe for a forward, he must be looking in the mirror and thinking about why it hasn't worked at Cardiff or here, then again, when he looks at the bank balance its going to be a damn site healthier than mine.
It would be interesting to see him given a decent run of games, but I cannot see how / when
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Even worse than I expected when we signed him. Another one that needs to be moved on at tend of season.
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Such a baffling signing, what were the club doing?
buying a big strong hold up player with a bit of pace that had shown he could cut it in the championship in previous seasons. Basically Ken should be where HRK is and doing what he’s doing. As Hal’s shown it should fit our style but he hasn’t.
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I got it wrong with Zohore, I saw the physical attributes he had and thought he'd be a big hit in a Bilic team. Just hasn't happened. He has very good pace, he's strong and he has a bit of ability but for me he doesn't have the right attitude or bottle. He should be taking it upon himself to bully defenders but he just doesn't seem to have the sort of drive or personality to do that.
You can change things about players but you cant change someone's personality. I would be surprised if we didnt try to move him on in the summer.
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I got it wrong with Zohore, I saw the physical attributes he had and thought he'd be a big hit in a Bilic team. Just hasn't happened. He has very good pace, he's strong and he has a bit of ability but for me he doesn't have the right attitude or bottle. He should be taking it upon himself to bully defenders but he just doesn't seem to have the sort of drive or personality to do that.
You can change things about players but you cant change someone's personality. I would be surprised if we didnt try to move him on in the summer.
I'm sort of clinging to the run of games argument (as per Conor townsend), I don't see how it happens though and we wouldn't loan him out, would we?
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I'm sort of clinging to the run of games argument (as per Conor townsend), I don't see how it happens though and we wouldn't loan him out, would we?
I think it depends if we get any offers for him. It's Ok a club wanting to sell a player but another club has to want to buy him and not just that but buy him at a price the selling club deem acceptable. If that doesn't happen it may well be we send him out on loan.
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buying a big strong hold up player with a bit of pace that had shown he could cut it in the championship in previous seasons. Basically Ken should be where HRK is and doing what he’s doing. As Hal’s shown it should fit our style but he hasn’t.
Exactly this.
I have seen him showcase his potential on a few occasions (unfortunately too infrequently) and I can certainly understand why we bought him. People who say it was baffling signing, the money we paid is nothing for a striker these days especially when you consider his age. His goal record for Cardiff was 1 in 4 and that includes a very difficult Prem season. On paper he is has everything we want to play that lone striker role in our system but he just doesn't seem refined enough yet, perhaps he never will be, but I wouldn't want the person who identified him to be lynched for it. My biggest issue with Ken is he doesn't seem aggressive enough, he needs to fight more and utilize his strength, he should be bullying defenders at this level.
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I'm sort of clinging to the run of games argument (as per Conor townsend), I don't see how it happens though and we wouldn't loan him out, would we?
Me too. I think with a run in the side, which he's never had, he has all the attributes to be as effective as HRK. However he hasn't shown enough to warrant a decent run in the side. Catch 22 really.
KingKoren mentioned his goal scoring record at Cardiff. He has a 1 in 4 goal record with us as well. (well 4 in 17).
I wonder if he'll start against Newcastle or whether it'll be Austin?
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Me too. I think with a run in the side, which he's never had, he has all the attributes to be as effective as HRK. However he hasn't shown enough to warrant a decent run in the side. Catch 22 really.
KingKoren mentioned his goal scoring record at Cardiff. He has a 1 in 4 goal record with us as well. (well 4 in 17).
I wonder if he'll start against Newcastle or whether it'll be Austin?
I am not a Charlie Austin fan and I would hope Ken gets and grabs an opportunity.
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I thought the same before we signed him but it is clear that he is not a target man, people just expect this due to his physique. He likes to run in behind or go wide in space to pick up the ball to run at goal. That is half of what we require from our front man, we require somebody who can be a target and hold it whilst linking the play. He is probably more effective in a counter attacking team I'd suggest.
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He just isn't good enough that is the main point.
For a big lad he is not strong at all and is useless in the air. He is so one sided too it is unbelievable. He reminds me of Ishmael Miller.
Bad bad signing. Get rid in the summer.
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Fabian de freitas mk.2 :'(
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It was a strange signing to put it mildly. Even Cardiff's most loyal fans couldn't believe that we signed him and, more important, how much we reportedly paid for him.
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He seems to have a quality touch and a decent finish in there but as others have said it seems to be his desire and determination to get physical which is his big weakness. He could learn a lot from HRK in this respect. You win some you lose some but if we go up I'd be trying to lose him as I can't see where he could fit in if he's not been good enough this season..........
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In some respects, the success (and relative fitness) of our first choice team means that there are a number of players on the fringe of the squad that we are just not seeing anything like the game time they would like. Zohore, Brunt, Austin and a number of others fall into this category. Will we ever see Peltier play for example? It is an unfortunate feature of a high performing team that it does not change that much. Zohore should feature for at least part of the cup game when we should rotate.
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I think Zohore was a bit of a panic buy. The club were under alot of pressure from fans (including I daresay a fair number on here) to compensate for the loss of Gayle and Jay Rod. He was just someone available who was within our budget, so the club wouldn't face criticism for not replacing the other two. Even with Austin arriving later in the same window, I don't think we adequately replaced Gayle and Jay Rod. However, Billic has been clever in changing the formation around, so our goals are spread around the team.
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Chief happy clapper here. 8)
I concede that we paid too much for Zohore although I believe we structured the deal in a way that Cardiff only get the full £8m if he is an unbridled sucess which I don't think he has been. I would point out that the 3rd choice striker is always a failure indeed the 3rd choice anything is probably a failure. They simply don't get enough game time to be anything else.
Going into the season we had 3 options Austin Zohore and HRK. Bilic has got more of a tune out of HRK than anyone thought possible so the other two have been limited for game time. Austin is a least as big as failure as Zohore in that he is very obviously not the type of striker that Bilic needs to make his tactics work. Zohore probably should be ahead of Austin in the pecking order but isn't whether that is a failure on the part of the player or the club in bringing in the wrong player is anyone's guess.
Yet the general principle applies that don't rush to judgement as we don't know how a player works out until you he gets onto the pitch and you see how the coach wants to use him.
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Chief happy clapper here. 8)
I concede that we paid too much for Zohore although I believe we structured the deal in a way that Cardiff only get the full £8m if he is an unbridled sucess which I don't think he has been. I would point out that the 3rd choice striker is always a failure indeed the 3rd choice anything is probably a failure. They simply don't get enough game time to be anything else.
Going into the season we had 3 options Austin Zohore and HRK. Bilic has got more of a tune out of HRK than anyone thought possible so the other two have been limited for game time. Austin is a least as big as failure as Zohore in that he is very obviously not the type of striker that Bilic needs to make his tactics work. Zohore probably should be ahead of Austin in the pecking order but isn't whether that is a failure on the part of the player or the club in bringing in the wrong player is anyone's guess.
Yet the general principle applies that don't rush to judgement as we don't know how a player works out until you he gets onto the pitch and you see how the coach wants to use him.
Townsend and O'Shea were both 3rd choices a few weeks ago. They have both done well. Otherwise agree with what you say.
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Big ken had a good game today worthy of his spot on the bench he offers a lot more than Austin in this system
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Big ken had a good game today worthy of his spot on the bench he offers a lot more than Austin in this system
Stephen Hawkins would offer more than Austin in this system
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Stephen Hawkins would offer more than Austin in this system
Haha...
He was a nuisance he runs channels held it up well made one and scored one... I would be knocking on slaven door if I was him
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Should he ahead of Austin in the pecking order.
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Should've had a hat trick last night. Failed to collect a rebound then on his favoured left foot should have scored but hit a tame shot that was going wide till the defender deflected it away.
Austin was awful, Zohore no better despite his goal.
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Should've had a hat trick last night. Failed to collect a rebound then on his favoured left foot should have scored but hit a tame shot that was going wide till the defender deflected it away.
Austin was awful, Zohore no better despite his goal.
Just the way i saw the game unfold myself. There was to many missed good goal scoring opportunitys by the two of them that if you added them all up we could have both scored hat tricks.
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*People around me chant for Zohore to replace Austin*
*Zohore replaces Austin*
*People start getting on his back for being lazy / not playing well*
Nothing like patience is there? ::)
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In some ways he is a better option than Austin as he offers the threat of running in behind and running the channels however he isn't as good a finisher as Austin nor does he link the play as well. Neither offer us what Robson-Kanu offers so neither is really an adequate like for like replacement.
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Just the way i saw the game unfold myself. There was to many missed good goal scoring opportunitys by the two of them that if you added them all up we could have both scored hat tricks.
I don't recall Austin really missing any good chances? He had one decent shot where he could have slipped Phillips in for an open goal but that's about it?
I thought Zohore put more effort in than Austin and looked brighter. Austin was basically a goal hanging Brunt.
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Short cameo aside, the bloke is an absolute donkey. Stealing a living and whoever sanctioned this needs a rollocking.
Terrible record prior to signing.
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Was 100% better than Austin last night. He was that much better I would put him on the bench for Swansea. Austin is a busted flush.
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Couldn't win a header at a 5 year old's birthday football party, waste of wages. No way this guy should be getting ahead of Austin.
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Couldn't win a header at a 5 year old's birthday football party, waste of wages. No way this guy should be getting ahead of Austin.
Agree on this
He was taller when he didn’t jump....shocking for a forward
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Agree on this
He was taller when he didn’t jump....shocking for a forward
who the hell sanctioned his transfer, he's worse than Paul Williams and that's saying something.
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Yet he was the closest we came to a goal tonight.
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Doesn't look like he has any desire to put in a performance to make Bilic think about starting him.
£7m looks an awful buy and certainly wasted up there with the £15m on Burke.
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Yet he was the closest we came to a goal tonight.
"Striker strikes the ball and almost scores" doesn't quite have the same rosy ring to it though really does it.
The fact of the matter is the guy was the tallest player on the pitch (or near enough) and didn;t win a single thing in the air. We spent a relative fortune on this useless lump of meat and now it'll be almost impossible to get rid of him for the forseeable future.
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This is not a defence of Zohore but just put yourself in his position,
He scored a couple of penalties when he neededto score to save a point,he scored in the cup tie at Charlton and was dropped for the league match the next weekhe came within inches of saving a point at Brentford and his goals per minutes on the pitch is probably the best in the team yet he hasn't featured since
He might just have the attitude why bother
I am not saying that his reason for lack lustre performances but it could be the reason
He sees Kanu and Austin given countless chances and him none
What do you fans think and how would you feel if you were him?.
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This is not a defence of Zohore but just put yourself in his position,
He scored a couple of penalties when he neededto score to save a point,he scored in the cup tie at Charlton and was dropped for the league match the next weekhe came within inches of saving a point at Brentford and his goals per minutes on the pitch is probably the best in the team yet he hasn't featured since
He might just have the attitude why bother
I am not saying that his reason for lack lustre performances but it could be the reason
He sees Kanu and Austin given countless chances and him none
What do you fans think and how would you feel if you were him?.
I tend to agree to a large extent. It was the same with Austin, scored two at Blues then Bilic bombed him out. Zohore hits the bar at Brentford in 45 minutes of action now not even on the bench.
Bilic's management is shocking in some cases, would you want to play for him?
Zohore may not be Sergio Aguero but surely hes an option when we need a goal?
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This is not a defence of Zohore but just put yourself in his position,
He scored a couple of penalties when he neededto score to save a point,he scored in the cup tie at Charlton and was dropped for the league match the next weekhe came within inches of saving a point at Brentford and his goals per minutes on the pitch is probably the best in the team yet he hasn't featured since
He might just have the attitude why bother
I am not saying that his reason for lack lustre performances but it could be the reason
He sees Kanu and Austin given countless chances and him none
What do you fans think and how would you feel if you were him?.
The talent is in him somewhere I’m sure but I think we have a classic example of a once promising teenager who either burnt out or fell out of love with the game. He’s never really had a proper run out but I don’t know what goes on in training etc. with him or whether he applies himself. Bilic doesn’t rate him I’m pretty sure of that though.
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Speaks volumes in terms of Bilic opinion of him that he cant make the bench
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I'm 99% certain Bilić didn't want him. Only reason to keep picking Kanu.
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I think he will come into his own next year. Him and Burke playing off each other will be like a modern day Heskey and Owen. Cant wait
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I think he will come into his own next year. Him and Burke playing off each other will be like a modern day Heskey and Owen. Cant wait
First thing I’ve had make me smile since full time
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This signing alone should be enough to get Dowling the sack
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Hes scored 4 goals in 6 starts and 12 sub appearances what's Austin and HRKs record?
Not saying hes great by any means but hardly been given a run of games
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This signing alone should be enough to get Dowling the sack
It’s highly unlikely the Albion have paid anywhere near that £8million owed to Cardiff.
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It’s highly unlikely the Albion have paid anywhere near that £8million owed to Cardiff.
Just the 6 mill up front then... :-\
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The rumour was we paid £2.5m upfront.
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The rumour was we paid £2.5m upfront.
Not what I've heard/seen on here.
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I might be wrong here but I don't recall seeing him in the celebrations yesterday? Barry and Edwards who weren't on the bench were there celebrating at FT but didn't spot Zohore - can anyone confirm?
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I might be wrong here but I don't recall seeing him in the celebrations yesterday? Barry and Edwards who weren't on the bench were there celebrating at FT but didn't spot Zohore - can anyone confirm?
I thought the same thing. No sign of him.
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I might be wrong here but I don't recall seeing him in the celebrations yesterday? Barry and Edwards who weren't on the bench were there celebrating at FT but didn't spot Zohore - can anyone confirm?
He was there.
Given his contribution this season he probably had nothing to celebrate!
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He was there.
Given his contribution this season he probably had nothing to celebrate!
Ah okay must have missed him then.
And to be fair you could say that the 2 points we got from his pens against Reading and Derby have now turned out to be the difference between 83 points and automatics, and 81 points and play offs.
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I didn't see Hegazi in the celebrations at all as well.
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I didn't see Hegazi in the celebrations at all as well.
Yes he was there. Who was the guy with the huge afro?
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Yes he was there. Who was the guy with the huge afro?
People on Facebook claiming he's a Physio!
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Thought it was Fellaini at first glance.
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People on Facebook claiming he's a Physio!
100% saw Hegazi there. Just not one of the crazy ones
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100% saw Hegazi there. Just not one of the crazy ones
Hegazi was on sideline during game shouting instructions to defence and after match was celebrating with team mates.
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Anyway, back to Zohore..
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Not sure what we will do with him next season. Not good enough but with a large contract that has several years to run. Need to move him out somehow.
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He was on the pitch last night just not celebrating as such more of watching his team mates celebrate their achievement. Need to find a club stupid enough to take him.
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He is crying out for a loan move to a club in the Barnsley mould. Somewhere he will get lots of chances and time and score a few goals. If he can have a 10 goal season then we might be able to get 3 or 4 million for him in a years time, or even use him in the event of relegation.
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He is crying out for a loan move to a club in the Barnsley mould. Somewhere he will get lots of chances and time and score a few goals. If he can have a 10 goal season then we might be able to get 3 or 4 million for him in a years time, or even use him in the event of relegation.
totally agree..
he really needs game time but is no where near what we need..
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Has anybody seen the video of the players celebrating in the dressing room with Brunt looking on almost like a proud dad. If you look behind Brunt Zohore is on his own in a WBA jacket and jeans completely out of the group and the celebrations. Can't see how he possibly stays.
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He is crying out for a loan move to a club in the Barnsley mould. Somewhere he will get lots of chances and time and score a few goals. If he can have a 10 goal season then we might be able to get 3 or 4 million for him in a years time, or even use him in the event of relegation.
Wouldn't get in the Barnsley team either.
They've just got us promoted they deserve rewarding not lumbering with this terrible, pea hearted excuse for a striker.
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The fact that we 'monitor' the hell out of every player we sign I'd love to know who was monitoring Zohore.
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Zahore’s mum may love him but as an ‘Arthur’ he’s a waste of space and as good as a bucket of parrot droppings.
Cardiff certainly saw us coming. Bet he’s on a 5 year contract!
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The fact that we 'monitor' the hell out of every player we sign I'd love to know who was monitoring Zohore.
Nobody. We panicked had him presented to us by his agent and Dowling panicked to appease Billic and because they didn't plan for if Gayle didn't happen.
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Staggeringly he has another three years on his contract... I think we will struggle to shift him..
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Staggeringly he has another three years on his contract... I think we will struggle to shift him..
Sadly I think your right, I can't see him getting anywhere near the deal he must be on here at another club base on his showing for the last 12 months.
We may end up having to supplement his wages somewhere just to get him out of the club
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Staggeringly he has another three years on his contract... I think we will struggle to shift him..
Wow, he has one damn good agent!
Don't know what we do with him now we are promoted, he is of no use whatsoever.
Don't we still have Burke on the books as well?
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Wow, he has one damn good agent!
Don't know what we do with him now we are promoted, he is of no use whatsoever.
Don't we still have Burke on the books as well?
Yes we do - I forgot that £15mil travesty existed!
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Strange how we have these so called "experts" at the club signing players. Yei I asked a air conditioning engineer at the hospital (big Cardiff fan) what he was like.....rubbish he said!
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Strange how we have these so called "experts" at the club signing players. Yet I asked a air conditioning engineer at the hospital (big Cardiff fan) what he was like.....rubbish he said!
We can get a bit excited by the view that ex players or those in the game necesserily have super human powers of deduction when it comes to football that mere mortal fans don't.
As time goes on, and data gets more involved, then yeah the average fan will probably be fairly uninformed, but while we are still just in the age of scouting based on analysing what you see in front of your eyes, most fans views will be just as good as your average scout.
The only difference is the scout will get to see more players play and might focus a bit more on them.
We knew before he came that Zohore was over priced, only an eejit couldn't tell....
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He was there.
Given his contribution this season he probably had nothing to celebrate!
In fairness didn't he rescue us about 2 points from pressure penalties this season, i.e. Derby and Reading in the final minutes?
Just think, maybe someone else would have missed them ???
Anyway, I would sell him at half-price, I imagine a few clubs would buy him at around £4 million.
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He'll almost certainly be on a "flex-up" contract, so why would he go anywhere? Loaning him out to cover as much of his wages as possible might be the only thing we can do.
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Yep loan him somewhere and hope he has a good season and try to recoup whatever we can.
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We can get a bit excited by the view that ex players or those in the game necesserily have super human powers of deduction when it comes to football that mere mortal fans don't.
As time goes on, and data gets more involved, then yeah the average fan will probably be fairly uninformed, but while we are still just in the age of scouting based on analysing what you see in front of your eyes, most fans views will be just as good as your average scout.
The only difference is the scout will get to see more players play and might focus a bit more on them.
We knew before he came that Zohore was over priced, only an eejit couldn't tell....
Bit of an "Old Boys" network....same as why managers get jobs when failing time and time again? Not their money is it. Depressing. Now for a season of fighting relegation!
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Nobody. We panicked had him presented to us by his agent and Dowling panicked to appease Billic and because they didn't plan for if Gayle didn't happen.
It was a panic buy, also to appease a fair few fans (myself included).
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Yep loan him somewhere and hope he has a good season and try to recoup whatever we can.
Hopefully it wouldn't be like the absolute disaster of Oli Burke? 15m will spent!
I do think a loan move would be the best thing for both parties. If he hasn't been good enough for the Championship then I fail to see how he will be good enough for the Premier. Kind of like HRK really.
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Didn't he score more for Cardiff in the PL than he did for us in the Champo though? Regardless Bilic clearly doesnt want him here.
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Didn't he score more for Cardiff in the PL than he did for us in the Champo though? Regardless Bilic clearly doesnt want him here.
You could very well be right on that mate. If he has, it would be interesting to see how many more games he played. Though I reckon you're right about him being surplus to requirements.
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I was wrong bud, just checked. Got 3 in 15 for us and 1 in 19 for Cardiff in the PL :(
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I was wrong bud, just checked. Got 3 in 15 for us and 1 in 19 for Cardiff in the PL :(
I can see why we signed him now.😞
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I can see why we signed him now.😞
Awful business mate.
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I was wrong bud, just checked. Got 3 in 15 for us and 1 in 19 for Cardiff in the PL :(
Sounds more like it :D
To be honest though, that Cardiff team were pretty poor.
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Sounds more like it :D
To be honest though, that Cardiff team were pretty poor.
They were mate, i was sure he got 3 in the PL for them haha. Bad buy whatever way we slice it.
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So he's scored 4 league goals in two years. Don't think there will be too many willing suitors.
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Cardiff found us :(
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Do we have to cough up an extra £4million because of our promotion as rumoured? That's a bit of a blow. I suspect Tulloch was ahead of him by the end of the season which shows how far he'd fallen and our strike force wasn't exactly great. Seems to have no hunger in him and if Bilic can't instil any then he's a lost cause. God knows who would take him off our hands.
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Cardiff found us :(
Full value write off onto the continent. Nominal fee to get rid of the wages.
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Full value write off onto the continent. Nominal fee to get rid of the wages.
Who fo you think will pay Zohore what we are paying him? Especially abroad.
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Happy to take a loss/giveaway Sj, Burke, Townsend, Zohore etc but as Jacko said who is going to pay them what we will?
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As it's unlikely that we will recoup much in terms of a transfer, is there any way we can get a tune out of this guy?
Maybe one to one training in pre-season, something to build confidence? I know we've seen very little in terms of ability but, if it is in there, maybe, just maybe we can push the right buttons, or his he just a write off?
We've had similar conversations regarding Burke, with many feeling, at least early on, that if we just found the key we could have a decent player. That of course never came to pass and we gave up on flogging that dead horse.
So is Zohore destined for the same outcome? Loaned out (with us likely still paying a percentage) until his lengthy contract runs out, or is there still hope?
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Zohore has the heart of a pea! Its a shame as his physical stature and the ability he does hold could have seen him being a major player for us but he doesnt have any heart obviously.
Id release him, waste of money
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move him on for sure, gave us very little if anything in the championship so why should we now waste a wage on him in the premier?
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We need to move heaven as nd earth to try and move him and Burke on.
There was a a suggestion elsewhere, most likely drug induced, that we give Burke and £5m to qpr for Eze.
We'll be luck to get £5 for Burke.
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We can put a job lot together, and Zohore would be a mandatory constituent.
Wether it Slav's style not suiting him / lack of ability / attitude is unclear to me, but he has to go for the good of both parties.
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Give Colin at Boro £5m plus his old player back for Assombalonga
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move him on for sure, gave us very little if anything in the championship so why should we now waste a wage on him in the premier?
Because we are contractually obliged to do so...
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well we'll have to take a loss for sure when we transfer him to another club that's for sure
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well we'll have to take a loss for sure when we transfer him to another club that's for sure
He has to agree to be transferred, even if another club wanted him (unlikely).
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He has to agree to be transferred, even if another club wanted him (unlikely).
That was the point I was making really. If we can't get anyone to buy him, we either: Pay him to do nowt. Pay him to play for someone else. Or, try to get something out of him on the pitch.
Of the 3, the last one is the most efficient, unfortunately it's also probably the most unlikely.
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When he was in the Pl with Cardiff in 2018/19 he played 19 games (7 starts) scored 1 goal and assisted 1. He missed about a month with a thigh strain but those stats are pretty damning.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kenneth-zohore/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/135213/plus/0?saison=2018&verein=603&liga=&wettbewerb=GB1&pos=&trainer_id=
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When he was in the Pl with Cardiff in 2018/19 he played 19 games (7 starts) scored 1 goal and assisted 1. He missed about a month with a thigh strain but those stats are pretty damning.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kenneth-zohore/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/135213/plus/0?saison=2018&verein=603&liga=&wettbewerb=GB1&pos=&trainer_id=
He has never got above 1 goal in 4 games at any club he has played for. Which begs the question, when we needed a goalscorer, by what logic did someone at our club think it made sense to pay good money for him?
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He has never got above 1 goal in 4 games at any club he has played for. Which begs the question, when we needed a goalscorer, by what logic did someone at our club think it made sense to pay good money for him?
Ok I give in.
Wonder if he's any good in goal :-[ :P
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Ok I give in.
Wonder if he's any good in goal :-[ :P
I don't have an answer. I was kind of hoping someone else might.
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Give Colin at Boro £5m plus his old player back for Assombalonga
Blimey, he’s no good either (in my opinion)
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He has never got above 1 goal in 4 games at any club he has played for. Which begs the question, when we needed a goalscorer, by what logic did someone at our club think it made sense to pay good money for him?
Exactly what I said a few posts back. I asked a Cardiff fan well two working on the hospital's air con what he was like. 0 out of 10. Now why ??? Better to use the oldest striker in the academy?
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He has never got above 1 goal in 4 games at any club he has played for. Which begs the question, when we needed a goalscorer, by what logic did someone at our club think it made sense to pay good money for him?
Because some people get cocky and think they know more than what’s in front of them. He is one of the youngest players in champions league history (making his debut at 16) and to borrow an American sporting term “he has good mechanicsâ€. Tall, fast and strong. The sort of thing old fashioned football scouts love. Dinosaurs.
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“To reach that figure, Zohore must make a set number of appearances, score a set number of goals, and help the club win promotionâ€.
This was in Matt Wilson’s article so its 2 Million then :)
I accidentally jumped back to this back and noticed this. Not that it's any surprise but given Zohore a) hasn't made many appearances, and b) hasn't scored many goals, I'm hopeful we didn't actually spend too much on him.
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He has never got above 1 goal in 4 games at any club he has played for. Which begs the question, when we needed a goalscorer, by what logic did someone at our club think it made sense to pay good money for him?
I imagine Zohore was brought in as back up to Austin with HRK originally being seen as 3rd choice. A poor signing whatever the mechanics of it were though.
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Warnock is in charge of signings at Middleborough now. I wonder if it is worth offering him on loan there? Warnock got 12 goals out of him a few years ago. Personally i'd send him on loan to Turkey where anyone can score, boost his value that way.
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Warnock is in charge of signings at Middleborough now. I wonder if it is worth offering him on loan there? Warnock got 12 goals out of him a few years ago. Personally i'd send him on loan to Turkey where anyone can score, boost his value that way.
Warnock has gone public on at least a couple of occasions about what he thinks of Ken. I can't imagine he would make that mistake again.
What Warnock had said is part of why we have no excuse for going out and signing him. These stories were were brought up at the time we signed him but some fans were adamant that it was 'only warnock' so it didn't count, and/or that all players deserve a chance.
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Warnock is in charge of signings at Middleborough now. I wonder if it is worth offering him on loan there? Warnock got 12 goals out of him a few years ago. Personally i'd send him on loan to Turkey where anyone can score, boost his value that way.
Luke Moore didn't but then again it's just a football league not a miracle cure.
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Warnock is in charge of signings at Middleborough now. I wonder if it is worth offering him on loan there? Warnock got 12 goals out of him a few years ago. Personally i'd send him on loan to Turkey where anyone can score, boost his value that way.
Possible next destination for Mr Burke perhaps?
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Possible next destination for Mr Burke perhaps?
A turkey to Turkey?? Sounds do-able.
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A turkey to Turkey?? Sounds do-able.
Loan fee for him would probably be chicken feed too.....
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Luke Moore didn't but then again it's just a football league not a miracle cure.
Poor Luke Moore, there was a time when Stefan was banging in goals for Halesowen town where I wondered if we had the wrong brother.
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Poor Luke Moore, there was a time when Stefan was banging in goals for Halesowen town where I wondered if we had the wrong brother.
Ken is a nice guy and not very good. But better than Luke Moore. Having said that Luke Moore was one of the worst signings we ever made!
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Luke Moore - another very bad £3m signing and this time it was the Vile who saw us coming.
Five goals over 57 appearances covering four seasons.
He eventually went to Turkey appearing 17 times and scoring zero goals. Waste of space and money.
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Warnock is in charge of signings at Middleborough now. I wonder if it is worth offering him on loan there? Warnock got 12 goals out of him a few years ago. Personally i'd send him on loan to Turkey where anyone can score, boost his value that way.
Even Turkey would tell us to get "stuffed" when we offered him to them on a plate.
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Even Turkey would tell us to get "stuffed" when we offered him to them on a plate.
Maybe we need to add a bit of gravy ;D
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See that MBoro have offered to take Zohore on loan. Whilst, he's definitely dropping down the pecking order, we need to re-coup some of the £8 million we paid, in order to help fund the new striker etc. we desparately need. What we get for him might be the difference in funding a new striker.
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/18695720.middlesbrough-make-loan-offer-kenneth-zohore/
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A loan fee from Boro would recoup some of the £8m.
Not sure how much though
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I'd rather him gone, if he goes on loan and bobms again that's more value wiped off.
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I'd rather him gone, if he goes on loan and bobms again that's more value wiped off.
me too, if we could recoup around £4m I'd be happy.
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me too, if we could recoup around £4m I'd be happy.
I'd be delighted with 4m as thats what some on here think we paid but as we got promoted i reckon thats cost us at least another million on him.
Someone offers 2-3m snap their hands off.
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I'd be delighted with 4m as thats what some on here think we paid but as we got promoted i reckon thats cost us at least another million on him.
Someone offers 2-3m snap their hands off.
From what's been said since the deal, we paid about £4m with the rest in performance bonuses.
Probably had to pay them more for promotion, but the appearances / goals are probably safe.
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Big problem is hardly any championship clubs have any cash to splash due to COVID kicking a big hole their income. Outside of one or two it is looking that most signings from above will be loans whilst they may well be prepared in taking a punt on players from lower divisions for a fee . It is difficult therefore to see how we unload for cash and may well have to accept a loan fee hopefully getting both his wages off the wage bill and an obligation to buy
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From what's been said since the deal, we paid about £4m with the rest in performance bonuses.
Probably had to pay them more for promotion, but the appearances / goals are probably safe.
Yeah that's what I was getting at mate. Probably cost us around 5m in total. Someone offers us half back get rid.
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I always liked Assombolonga if it's spelt right lol
A cheeky swap or even a loan swap?
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Anybody who is willing to take him is a godsend. It would just be nice to get his wages off the books.
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I always liked Assombolonga if it's spelt right lol
A cheeky swap or even a loan swap?
Not a premier league player in my view
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This is why I hate undisclosed fees, as I was told his fee was £2.5m down.
Add a million max for promotion and hopefully the most we have paid for him is £3.5m.
They release the £8m figure on the sly to sell season tickets and appease fans who think we are wasting big amounts of cash quickly enough.
I would rip anyone's arm off to get half whatever we paid back for him.
I would even swap him for the young boro keeper Pears.
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This is why I hate undisclosed fees, as I was told his fee was £2.5m down.
Add a million max for promotion and hopefully the most we have paid for him is £3.5m.
They release the £8m figure on the sly to sell season tickets and appease fans who think we are wasting big amounts of cash quickly enough.
I would rip anyone's arm off to get half whatever we paid back for him.
I would even swap him for the young boro keeper Pears.
I think there was a rumour of it being lower, I may have even repeated it myself, but I think the £4m is accepted as being relatively accurate now.
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I think there was a rumour of it being lower, I may have even repeated it myself, but I think the £4m is accepted as being relatively accurate now.
Well we definitely know the Burke deal was nowhere near £15m (thank god) because its been said that Grady's signing is close to record signing of Chadli which was rumoured to he between £12-13m.
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Kenneth Zohore to Sheff Wed got any legs?
Yes lets hope this is true.
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I can't ser Wednesday having the money to invest much, so we would be taking a huge hit there.
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I can't ser Wednesday having the money to invest much, so we would be taking a huge hit there.
A huge hit yes but off the wage bill.
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I can't ser Wednesday having the money to invest much, so we would be taking a huge hit there.
Anything over a million is having their pants down.
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They sold us Brunt and if it's true that they are buying Zohore i say praise be to the Owls board.
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If I remember a lot was made of the Zohore price but it was only about 4 upfront. There were a bunch of add ons making it 8mill. I doubt we payed many add ons especially if it was appearances, goals and looking interested ;)
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Got rid of Burke who cost us a lot of money plus his bus fare to Sheffield thanks to Pulis.
Just now need to dump Zohore, Austin and HRK and the off-load of rubbish will be nearly complete.
Hope we don’t get done for Player Tipping like Fly Tipping!
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Got rid of Burke who cost us a lot of money plus his bus fare to Sheffield thanks to Pulis.
Just now need to dump Zohore, Austin and HRK and the off-load of rubbish will be nearly complete.
Hope we don’t get done for Player Tipping like Fly Tipping!
If we can get rid of one of them after getting rid of Burke and getting Grady I think our cup runeth over.
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https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/kenneth-zohore-sheffield-wednesday-wba-18906174.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Details of Sheff Wed's interest in Zohore on loan
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https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/kenneth-zohore-sheffield-wednesday-wba-18906174.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Details of Sheff Wed's interest in Zohore on loan
The lowdown on him in that article should have consisted of two words and the second one being 4 letter word beginning with s.
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That would be quite a coup. Offload 2 strikers to the city of Sheffield in one day!
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That would be quite a coup. Offload 2 strikers to the city of Sheffield in one day!
Alex, we might get done under the Trade Description Act - “Offload 2 Strikersâ€
The only decent strike those two may make involves a box of matches!
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That would be quite a coup. Offload 2 strikers to the city of Sheffield in one day!
We'll be "steeling" from them.
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Be nice if we can get this done before the weekend. Think if we could get austin off the payroll too that would be amazing but cant see it happening..
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Gary Monk has said it isn't close and nothing is immenent on thr Wednesday transfer front, so this might be a deal for next week.
My only thing about Zohore going to Wednesday is that they have a 12 point gap to make up on the rest of the league so are odds on for relegation and ideally i'd like him at a club that would have the resources to buy him at the end of the season if he has a bumper season (which for Ken means anything over 8 goals).
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Be nice if we can get this done before the weekend. Think if we could get austin off the payroll too that would be amazing but cant see it happening..
Getting rid of Zohore leaves us with only 2 strikers, get rid of Austin ( as much as I would like to !), leaves us with just 1 striker.
With things looking dodgy regarding an incoming striker I would prefer to keep Zohore until we have another striker arrive.
We are already well below any other team in the league as far as strikers are concerned, getting rid of Zohore makes that situation worse.
I know he hasn't performed as well as he can ( although he hasn't really been given an extended run in the team) but he is better than no striker.
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Gary Monk has said it isn't close and nothing is immenent on thr Wednesday transfer front, so this might be a deal for next week.
My only thing about Zohore going to Wednesday is that they have a 12 point gap to make up on the rest of the league so are odds on for relegation and ideally i'd like him at a club that would have the resources to buy him at the end of the season if he has a bumper season (which for Ken means anything over 8 goals).
That’s a fair point but their situation and relatively unattractive position is probably why they need to gamble on having someone like Zohore come good.
If he scored 10 goal he would still be attractive to others if Wednesday got relegated. The danger here is he flops again. If he flops again his value will plummet further still.
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Getting rid of Zohore leaves us with only 2 strikers, get rid of Austin ( as much as I would like to !), leaves us with just 1 striker.
With things looking dodgy regarding an incoming striker I would prefer to keep Zohore until we have another striker arrive.
We are already well below any other team in the league as far as strikers are concerned, getting rid of Zohore makes that situation worse.
I know he hasn't performed as well as he can ( although he hasn't really been given an extended run in the team) but he is better than no striker.
Robinson can play up top and would probably offer more than Austin anyway...
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Robinson can play up top and would probably offer more than Austin anyway...
I agree with that. But with Zohore leaving, Tulloch on loan to Doncaster, Morton on loan to Lincoln, leaves us very short up front.
If we could get another striker in then yes offload him. If we could get 2 strikers in then offload Austin as well.
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Sun saying struggling to shift Zohore as his PL flex up wages are now 50k pw. Holy mother of god. Who is responsible for this signing?
Says Sheff Wed actually really like him but can't afford to pay half his wages which is what we want.
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Sun saying struggling to shift Zohore as his PL flex up wages are now 50k pw. Holy mother of god. Who is responsible for this signing?
Says Sheff Wed actually really like him but can't afford to pay half his wages which is what we want.
On a 4 year deal, too. The new Olly Burke.
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On a 4 year deal, too. The new Olly Burke.
Mind boggling. We are going to struggle to get rid of this fella.
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On a 4 year deal, too. The new Olly Burke.
Such a shame. On paper he has the tools like Burke. In fact he’s better than Burke but then again so am I.
Just checked Zohores stats and he scored a goal every 156 minutes last season. That’s actually better than I thought!
Zohore = a goal every 156 minutes
Austin = a goal every 163 minutes
Kanu = a goal every 200 minutes
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If his wages have really flexed to 50 grand a week, this was an incredibly stupid deal. Cardiff fans said he was ****. He had a poor track record before coming here. Most Albion fans on here were not keen at all. Whay made Luke Dowling - a paid professional - think this was a good deal? Sometimes, people in football think they are way too clever and can "see things" others can't. Total ********. We might have to subsidise his wages for a season on loan.
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We are happy to play him 25k pw not to be here next season, it's finding another mug who will pay his other 25k thats the issue. Says he has admirers but no one will pay 25k pw for him.
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I am going to make an outrageous assumption here and say that the S*n has the numbers wrong.
There is no way we could commit to a four year contract last year on £25k a week in the Championship, because the back end of it could have potentially been for a period after the parachute payments had expired.
If you were to tell me £12.5k to 15k a week in the Championship and £25k to £30k a week in the Premier League and Sheffield Wednesday are struggling to make half of that, yes that is plausible.
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We did have players on more than 25k pw in the champo though.
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We did have players on more than 25k pw in the champo though.
Yes but they were legacy contracts or loans e.g. Gibbs, Gayle Livermore, Brunt etc..and most expired no latter than 2022. A new commitment certainly last season was very unlikely in my view.
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Sometimes, people in football think they are way too clever and can "see things" others can't. Total b*******. We might have to subsidise his wages for a season on loan.
That's why we need to use an objective and comprehensive set of stats instead of these airy-fairy subjective judgements.
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Yes but they were legacy contracts or loans e.g. Gibbs, Gayle Livermore, Brunt etc..and most expired no latter than 2022. A new commitment certainly last season was very unlikely in my view.
That is fair enough but we did give JL a new contract in 2018 while in the EFL but you are right, he is the exception to the rule.
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Yes but they were legacy contracts or loans e.g. Gibbs, Gayle Livermore, Brunt etc..and most expired no latter than 2022. A new commitment certainly last season was very unlikely in my view.
Have no proof but suspect you're wrong. Came from Cardiff who had been in premier league so why would he come to us on the kind of wages you are suggesting?
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I think you have to look at Dowling for this one. He only seems to make really obvious signings, players who have played at the level we are before, or those that star for lower teams.
Zohore was his perfect 'cheap and cheerful', been there and done it deal. It pains me the amounts we are paying to really average players.
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Really think this guy has been shelved by Slaven, and I think he will do the same with Kipre. Neither were "his signings" so are not picked.
Similarly Grosicki could not get on the pitch today, with HRK, Edwards, and Harper being preferred , this despite Grosicki scoring one and assisting for the other in Poland's midweek win.
I saw every minute in which Zohore played and do not believe him to be worse than Austin and HRK.
I heard Tony Cascarino, on the radio today referring to another player and indeed himself, saying how difficult it is to stay focused and perform when you know that the manager does not fancy you.
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No point in having players who the coach won't play.
Dowling has to keep his nose out.
It is like having a chef (Slaven) who only wants to use quality ingredients.
Dowling just wants to use cabbages.
Another metaphore.... Don't give a man at the coal face who wants a pick, a rubber hammer.
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Really think this guy has been shelved by Slaven, and I think he will do the same with Kipre. Neither were "his signings" so are not picked.
Similarly Grosicki could not get on the pitch today, with HRK, Edwards, and Harper being preferred , this despite Grosicki scoring one and assisting for the other in Poland's midweek win.
I saw every minute in which Zohore played and do not believe him to be worse than Austin and HRK.
I heard Tony Cascarino, on the radio today referring to another player and indeed himself, saying how difficult it is to stay focused and perform when you know that the manager does not fancy you.
Zohore was dreadful last season, can take a penalty and that's it. Nothing to do with being unfancied or shelved as you put it.
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The man has absolutely no fight. I don't think i've ever cared less about a West Brom player. Hope these Sheff Weds rumours are true.
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Boro are set to sign former Arsenal and England youth international Chuba Akpom from Greece to lead their line. With them already having Britt Asombalonga, Ashley Fletcher and Marcus Browne there, it might end their interest in Ken.
Gives Sheff Wed the upper hand in negotiations.
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Boro are set to sign former Arsenal and England youth international Chuba Akpom from Greece to lead their line. With them already having Britt Asombalonga, Ashley Fletcher and Marcus Browne there, it might end their interest in Ken.
Gives Sheff Wed the upper hand in negotiations.
I think we have to face the possibility that he will be our cup striker this season.
No one in their right mind would pay him £50k a week or anywhere near it.
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Boro are set to sign former Arsenal and England youth international Chuba Akpom from Greece to lead their line. With them already having Britt Asombalonga, Ashley Fletcher and Marcus Browne there, it might end their interest in Ken.
Gives Sheff Wed the upper hand in negotiations.
The other day Boro were signing ex gunner sonogo(als).
Imo it is disinformation put out to force our hand.
I don't believe anything Colin says. And I didn't believe the sun reporting that he is on £50k now.
Surely under the miser jenkins, desperately trying to cut costs at the time didn't sanction a tier two salary of £25k to a bloke who got one goal the previous season.
I hope we can do a swap again here got maybe Assombalonga on loan to perm ideally for us and Zohore gone for good. But, a straight swap on loan each way.
I think a motivated britt could be a handful.
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I see Derby have now joined 'the race to sign Ken' 8)
Come on Rams you know you want him.
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/09/16/report-derby-battling-championship-rivals-to-sign-8m-50k-a-week-pl-man/
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Cardiff fans I know said he had looked quite useful before his injury, bit of a marmite thing going on with them though, but he never got going at all for us and we could well be lumbered now
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Anyone booked Zohore a taxi on standby?
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Just can't see who is going to offer us money for this fella AND pay him a wage he wants. Hope someone does though.
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Terminate contract by mutual consent, bloke is a donkey then get rid of Dowling for sanctioning this deal.
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Terminate contract by mutual consent, bloke is a donkey then get rid of Dowling for sanctioning this deal.
Sound, give him a cheque for three years money and I’m sure he’ll be happy to terminate mutually.
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Terminating his contract would cost serious wedge. Somewhere between 4 and 7 million based loosely on his reported wages and guessing he has between 2 and 4 years left on his contract . Seems a lot to b pay for the odd goal !
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Does anyone know for sure that he is £50,000 a week? That doesn't seem, to me, like a figure we would be paying
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Fair to say he came on at least 20k pw. Definitely has a flex up. I'd imagine he's on 40k in the PL
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Fair to say he came on at least 20k pw. Definitely has a flex up. I'd imagine he's on 40k in the PL
I can’t see it being as much as £20k when he signed, and surely promotion isn’t a 100% increase. Stan gave what seemed a logical explanation on why we wouldn’t be committing to long contracts at that level last summer.
Think of Zohore’s career trajectory. He signed for Cardiff for about £1m which was probably his first big deal considering where he had been and his age. Let’s say they gave him £6k per week. A year later he signed a new contract after doing ok, so imagine they doubled it to £12k with an increase for promotion. Even if that was 100% to £24k, let’s say it’s safe to say relegation reverts to £12k.
We then sign him when he has a year left, Cardiff want rid and he’s performed terribly in the prem. We then hand him £20k per week with a 100% increase on promotion? It just seems like we would be crazy to do that.
My numbers could be off, but you get the idea. It just doesn’t seem to fit. I imagine he’s now on £25k-£30k.
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Reports are that clubs are 25k short of meeting his salary so he must be on sod all.
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Terminate contract by mutual consent, bloke is a donkey then get rid of Dowling for sanctioning this deal.
You do realise it costs us to terminate a contract?
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You do realise it costs us to terminate a contract?
Not sure the guy understands that mutual means both parties have to agree to it
Doubt he’s going to mutually agree to rip up a contract that last for 2/3 years and a couple of million a year
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Not sure the guy understands that mutual means both parties have to agree to it
Doubt he’s going to mutually agree to rip up a contract that last for 2/3 years and a couple of million a year
I can see us having to pay half his wages for another club to take him on loan
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That's what we are trying to do but no one will pay the other 20-25k
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That's what we are trying to do but no one will pay the other 20-25k
Where are you getting 20-25k from?
Which implies we are paying him much more than that. I would genuinely like to know the source for your assertions
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Where are you getting 20-25k from?
Which implies we are paying him much more than that. I would genuinely like to know the source for your assertions
The papers and journos on twitter, was in the Sun on Sunday gone.
He has plenty of teams wanting to take him but no ones willing to pay the other half of his wages. Too high.
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None of us can be sure what he earns but it will be upwards of £40k. Think it through... he had been in the premier league with Cardiff who then got relegated. Despite that he would have to be on at least £20k per week with them. He’s not going to come here and take a pay cut and now has the major salary hike for us being promoted. As mush as we don’t like the idea, I certainly don’t, he will be on £40k minimum.
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You do realise it costs us to terminate a contract?
paying now to do bugger all, he's not going to get game time unless we get relegated to non league. Mutual consent might be beneficial to both parties.
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paying now to do bugger all, he's not going to get game time unless we get relegated to non league. Mutual consent might be beneficial to both parties.
Would you give your consent for your own job paying £40,000 a week to be terminated when no-one else would be willing to offer you as much as that afterwards? No, of course not.
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Would you give your consent for your own job paying £40,000 a week to be terminated when no-one else would be willing to offer you as much as that afterwards? No, of course not.
loads of contracts are torn up by clubs and player's who are frozen out. Footballers have a short shelf life and most want to play game that they love. Zohore through out his career so far is probably setup for life, he and Albion just didn't work out.
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loads of contracts are torn up by clubs and player's who are frozen out. Footballers have a short shelf life and most want to play game that they love. Zohore through out his career so far is probably setup for life, he and Albion just didn't work out.
Name one player who is on 40k a week with a few years left to go who has ripped up their contract willingly to go play elsewhere for much less money.
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Burke got a club despite 3 write off seasons, Zohore has had one and his club has stepped up a division, he will have suitors in the Championship. Yes, wages might be a stumbling block but, if all parties are on board, a deal will be done.
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Being reported that we are demanding £8 million for him. If this is true, the club is taking the proverbial. We won't be getting even a sniff at that price I wouldn't have thought.
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That's absurd. 3m and wish him well
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Being reported that we are demanding £8 million for him. If this is true, the club is taking the proverbial. We won't be getting even a sniff at that price I wouldn't have thought.
That's about the right pitch, I'm sure the club would sooner be talked down from £8m rather than £3m
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That's about the right pitch, I'm sure the club would sooner be talked down from £8m rather than £3m
I thought that as well. Once everyone has stopped laughing the other club will say ‘ we will give you £4m’ and everyone is happy
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Demand 8m might get 5.5
If thats the difference between a poorer striker and a better one i think we will be happy....wont we?
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Please stop building my hopes up!!!
Can we have a gentleman's agreement that we don't comment until he's gone?? :D
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Demand 8m might get 5.5
If thats the difference between a poorer striker and a better one i think we will be happy....wont we?
My good mate is a Sheff Wed fan and he's livid we're demanding £8m and that Kenneth is on £50kpw. He states that this is a prime example of the waste in the Prem (i totally agree).
I did point out to him we'll probably do something like loan for a year, with them paying the wages and obligation to buy if they survive. Can't see a team starting on -12 points shouting £5m+ on a player?
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In his defence I don't think Zohore's been given a fair crack of the whip during his time at the Albion. If nothing else he might have moved a bit quicker if he had.
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My good mate is a Sheff Wed fan and he's livid we're demanding £8m and that Kenneth is on £50kpw. He states that this is a prime example of the waste in the Prem (i totally agree).
I did point out to him we'll probably do something like loan for a year, with them paying the wages and obligation to buy if they survive. Can't see a team starting on -12 points shouting £5m+ on a player?
Cant see him being on £50K. If he is that's ridiculous.
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Cant see him being on £50K. If he is that's ridiculous.
This debate has gone on for a while now. Whilst none of us know for sure I think it is clear that he is on north of £40k.... still ridiculous.
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Being reported that we are demanding £8 million for him. If this is true, the club is taking the proverbial. We won't be getting even a sniff at that price I wouldn't have thought.
To be fair, is it £8m straight up, or is it £8m like we agreed to pay Cardiff £8m for him?
Because if it's the latter, and requires a much smaller initial downpayment, then I can see why we're doing it that way.
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There is no point in asking Sheffield Wednesday or pretty much any other Championship club for £8m plus a wage of even £20k a week because they haven't got it. If he lands there whatever anybody says to the contrary we are taking a loss one way or another.
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There is no point in asking Sheffield Wednesday or pretty much any other Championship club for £8m plus a wage of even £20k a week because they haven't got it. If he lands there whatever anybody says to the contrary we are taking a loss one way or another.
Considering the length of contract he signed. We would be better loaning him out and paying 20k and having some other club picking up 20k- saves us just over £1mil a year.
If we could do the same with Austin theres £40k a week we can offer somebody else
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Trouble is, what club in their right mind would even take Zohore, Austin or HRK.
Between the three of them they have as much striking power as Sticky the stick insect did when he got stuck on a sticky bun.
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Trouble is, what club in their right mind would even take Zohore, Austin or HRK.
Between the three of them they have as much striking power as Sticky the stick insect did when he got stuck on a sticky bun.
The stick insect again! Oh! But it is funny isn’t it :-X
Stoke usually come to our rescue ;D
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Trouble is, what club in their right mind would even take Zohore, Austin or HRK.
Between the three of them they have as much striking power as Sticky the stick insect did when he got stuck on a sticky bun.
Then add in Phillips who has been eating all the sticky buns...
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We are stuck with the three
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Nixon saying today that Sheff Wednesday have offered to pay 25k per week of his wages but we want more paid
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Nixon saying today that Sheff Wednesday have offered to pay 25k per week of his wages but we want more paid
I think that someone at the club must put there hands up and admit defeat. If someone else is paying £25k a week then we in all intense and purpose £25k a week better off.
Will we ever learn from this?
Probably not
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25k pw is over 1m quid for someone who isnt going to contribute to our PL campaign. I guess we are holding out for 30k or more pw.
I'd snap their hands off now though at 25kpw.
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25k pw is over 1m quid for someone who isnt going to contribute to our PL campaign. I guess we are holding out for 30k or more pw.
I'd snap their hands off now though at 25kpw.
Agree and, if by some miracle, he has a good season, we may even recoup it in the summer.
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Would rather seem him come on for last 20 than HRK.
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Nixon saying today that Sheff Wednesday have offered to pay 25k per week of his wages but we want more paid
Wednesday cannot afford those sort of wages...
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Wednesday cannot afford those sort of wages...
Wednesday guy replied and said it was our final offer and now have walked away. Time will tell.
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Wednesday guy replied and said it was our final offer and now have walked away. Time will tell.
Given their FFP breaches and desire to remove their high earners, I just cannot see the Owls (or any club in that division) sanctioning £25k a week when their income streams are so deprived.
Financial insanity
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Albion crazy to hold their ground on this one... hopefully we change our mind, take the 25k a week and run before Sheff Wed realise what a pile of turd they've taken off us.
Would rather seem him come on for last 20 than HRK.
HRK currently second best striker at the club behind only Robinson; A sad state of affairs to be sure; but Zohore has proven on many occasions to be less effective than HRK.
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I agree with Warnock's description personally - the frustrating thing is there is the makings of a player there. Warnock's words were 'he should be bossing the Championship'. It seems to be the bit between the ears that is his problem, too laid back / not enough work or fight / not enough confidence / whatever.
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Not just a between the ears thing. He also had a calf problem last season which won't have helped.
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I've been watching Amazon "Takes Us Home: Leeds United" and watched how Bielsa developed players who others wrote off and who went on to become important figures in Leeds success.
No really criticism of Slaven, but could he have helped the player more?
ps Bielsa should be managing a top, top club and I think he might already be given time imo
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Wednesday have signed Paterson which puts the slim chances of this one happening to zero.
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Wednesday have signed Paterson which puts the slim chances of this one happening to zero.
That's a blow. who will have him now?
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Nixon saying Wednesday still want one more striker. Hopefully its KZ
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I know im in the minority but I still think he could work as an option for us, especially if we sign someone like Grant who stylistically is a very different striker to him. Not that I think Bilic will consider holding & using him.
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I know im in the minority but I still think he could work as an option for us, especially if we sign someone like Grant who stylistically is a very different striker to him. Not that I think Bilic will consider holding & using him.
i am afraid you are correct................... you are in the minority... ;D.
Zohore even makes Nathan Ellington look energetic
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I know im in the minority but I still think he could work as an option for us, especially if we sign someone like Grant who stylistically is a very different striker to him. Not that I think Bilic will consider holding & using him.
I get your viewpoint. I look at him and always think he could offer something. The painful truth however is that when given a chance to prove what he can do he has simply failed. I think others will agree when I say the main disappointment I have with him is the seeming lack of 'bottle' Given his physique I don't understand that.
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Millwall are in negotiations with West Brom to sign Kenneth Zohore.
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Pete O'Rourke
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Millwall have agreed a deal to sign West Brom striker Kenneth Zohore on loan beating a number of other clubs to his signature. #MillwallFC #WBAFC
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This would be excellent business, maybe the best bit we have done if we can get him away
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Good move for all, shame Austins clinging onto his 50k per week but that is his legal right.
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It will be good for Kenneth to get some decent playing time under his belt. You never know, he may come back much stronger.....
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It will be good for Kenneth to get some decent playing time under his belt. You never know, he may come back much stronger.....
He did have decent playing time under his belt before he signed for us! Despite that, his physical and/or mental weakness quickly became apparent.
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Can't wait to see how the Millwall faithful take to him shying out of battles!
He'll be glad stadiums are empty.
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Cannot believe a club like Millwall and their limited resources, especially in lockdown can pay more than £5k (max £10k) of his wages to be honest.
Hopefully, the reported £50k he is on after promotion was bull and we aren't still taking such a big difference.
It could just be a ploy to get sheff wed, and their desperate situation back in the reckoning.
Either way, I hope he goes and does well and gets signed permanently.
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Any wages off the books for this guy is better than no wages off the books. He is never going to play for us.
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Any wages off the books for this guy is better than no wages off the books. He is never going to play for us.
Agreed, one less player unhappy around the training pitch can be a plus for squad harmony too. If he does well for Millwall it could help us move him on permanently too so important he goes somewhere.
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Nobody said it was a good to keep him.
I said I hope we aren't taking a massive hit of upto £45k week.
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Isnt it funny how supporters of other clubs view players. Loads of Millwall fans on Twitter overjoyed with him joining!
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Sounds like the beat the deadline. Hope he has a great season and scores 20, but his career suggests otherwise.
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MAsi said its done, should beat trhe deadline.
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Isnt it funny how supporters of other clubs view players. Loads of Millwall fans on Twitter overjoyed with him joining!
Can only assume they've not seen much of him ;D
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Can only assume they've not seen much of him ;D
In all fairness neither have we lol
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Can only assume they've not seen much of him ;D
He has to be down there with some of the least committed players I've ever seen wear the shirt and I've watched us regularly since the mid 80s so saw Colin West etc......!
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Unlike some of the garbage we had in the late 80s-90s there is a player in there he just hasn't got the right mentality/attitude whatever IMO.
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Confirmed.
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https://www.wba.co.uk/news/millwall-sign-zohore-loan (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/millwall-sign-zohore-loan)
Kenneth Zohore has joined Sky Bet Championship side Millwall on loan until January.
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Austin to FO in Jan, Zohore to come back maybe.
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Like a few have said, I don't think we've seen the best of Kenneth (No **** Sherlock!)
Seriously though I think there is more about him than we've managed to tap into and I hope the brief loan shows something else.
I wish him well either way.
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Dunno, maybe if he'd had a run, he did show touches of class sometimes
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I wish you well at Millwall Ken.
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Shocking signing if you ask me Paul Williams has got a contender for worst Albion player.
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Like a few have said, I don't think we've seen the best of Kenneth (No S#1T Sherlock!)
Seriously though I think there is more about him than we've managed to tap into and I hope the brief loan shows something else.
I wish him well either way.
The best of Ken will never be more than a fraction of his potential and id be amazed if you ever get that with any real consistency.
I hope he can go and get 15 goals though, and be Millwalls star man. At least then someone will likely give us a good chunk of our money back. I won’t hold my breath though.
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Couple of good pressure penalties v Reading and Derby that earned points which helped promotion. Other than that saw little but Bilic never seemed convinced. Good luck to him though.
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Thought he was a poor signing but hoped it would work out. When I saw him it was clear he had some real strengths, but sadly it didn’t work out.
Personally I’d have liked to see him get more of a chance last season, especially when Austin fell away so badly.
Will watch how he gets on but suspect we were his last chance of the big time and he will be championship mid table level.
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Shocking signing if you ask me Paul Williams has got a contender for worst Albion player.
Would Ollie Burke make a 3 some
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Would Ollie Burke make a 3 some
Paul Williams out there in his own class of useless I’m afraid, will never forget standing in the rain in Swansea one Friday night about a hundred years ago watching him thinking, how is it possible that he ever got close to being a professional footballer. Harsh but true lol.
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Was Paul Williams the striker with dark hair? Name rings a bell from my childhood days. Was garbage. Even saw him play for the reserves at the Hawthorns a few times and seemed out his depth then as well.
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Millwall. Every player's dream location...
What a good job the residents will be so forgiving toward the languid loanee's attitude. ;)
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Sadly imo Burke was worse than Williams (not the one on loan from cov).
One cost £300k the other a reported £15m.
But, Burke was hands down worse then in third place rottenberg.
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Was Paul Williams the striker with dark hair? Name rings a bell from my childhood days. Was garbage. Even saw him play for the reserves at the Hawthorns a few times and seemed out his depth then as well.
Signed from Stockport County for around £250k.
Definitely not the worst player I've seen don the stripes, but definitely was absolutely bobbins.
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Signed from Stockport County for around £250k.
Definitely not the worst player I've seen don the stripes, but definitely was absolutely bobbins.
Ampadu was my most hated player
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He’s only gone till Jan ,that’s a blow
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He’s only gone till Jan ,that’s a blow
They'll be hoping he does moderately well and they can move him on permanently and for a fee.
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He’s only gone till Jan ,that’s a blow
There talk about Austin going off to the MLS in January so we’d have the option of having Zohore back if we need him.
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There talk about Austin going off to the MLS in January so we’d have the option of having Zohore back if we need him.
He's fairly tall so we may need someone to help put up the nets up on matchday I suppose
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Shocking signing if you ask me Paul Williams has got a contender for worst Albion player.
but was you saying that before we signed him?
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Hopefully he scores some goals for Millwall and we can sell him in January for a decent(ish) fee.
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but was you saying that before we signed him?
To be fair I think most of the forum was a bit underwhelmed about the signing.
Having seen him I think it’s a shame. He did some things that suggest he has real talent. His performance I think in the cup at Charlton was decent, and I remember him nearly changing the game with a shot from outside the box that hit the bar when we were a goal down away from home. Can’t remember who against.
Shame but if he’s not going to get a game then he’s as well to go elsewhere.
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but was you saying that before we signed him?
A look through the early pages of this thread tells you that many were scratching their heads from this deal.
I'm still really confused why we paid £7m-£8m for a player who's best goalscoring season was 12 goals three seasons before and who was coming off the back of a 1 goal premier league season.
I'd love to know how the fee was structured, because it was monumentally bad decision maling to think a bloke with his goalscoring record could replace Rodriguez and Gayle.
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A look through the early pages of this thread tells you that many were scratching their heads from this deal.
I'm still really confused why we paid £7m-£8m for a player who's best goalscoring season was 12 goals three seasons before and who was coming off the back of a 1 goal premier league season.
I'd love to know how the fee was structured, because it was monumentally bad decision maling to think a bloke with his goalscoring record could replace Rodriguez and Gayle.
Just had a look back at the early pages out of interest and I’m amazed how many seemed positive. Me, you and a few others didn't, but many thought it was a decent signing.
One poster quoted a Cardiff fan who basically got it spot in with something along the lines of doesn’t run, can’t head, outmuscled by even the smallest defenders and like playing with 10 men.
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To be fair I think most of the forum was a bit underwhelmed about the signing.
Having seen him I think it’s a shame. He did some things that suggest he has real talent. His performance I think in the cup at Charlton was decent, and I remember him nearly changing the game with a shot from outside the box that hit the bar when we were a goal down away from home. Can’t remember who against.
Shame but if he’s not going to get a game then he’s as well to go elsewhere.
It was against Brentford away, Lost 1-0.
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Just had a look back at the early pages out of interest and I’m amazed how many seemed positive. Me, you and a few others didn't, but many thought it was a decent signing.
One poster quoted a Cardiff fan who basically got it spot in with something along the lines of doesn’t run, can’t head, outmuscled by even the smallest defenders and like playing with 10 men.
I could be having a selective memory episode, but it felt at the time that the forum was pretty split on the signing, a lot more split than we normally would be for a new signing who we hadn't seen much of.
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To be fair I think most of the forum was a bit underwhelmed about the signing.
Having seen him I think it’s a shame. He did some things that suggest he has real talent. His performance I think in the cup at Charlton was decent, and I remember him nearly changing the game with a shot from outside the box that hit the bar when we were a goal down away from home. Can’t remember who against.
Shame but if he’s not going to get a game then he’s as well to go elsewhere.
I think that we were all a bit surprised by the price tag given his goalscoring record, but to be fair to the player he has hardly started, so comments regarding his commitment and the fact that he was the worse signing since Williams are rather harsh. In hindsight it was not the best signing we have made but every club makes mistakes.......
A loan move to Millwall may be just what he needs, I hope it works out for him.
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I could be having a selective memory episode, but it felt at the time that the forum was pretty split on the signing, a lot more split than we normally would be for a new signing who we hadn't seen much of.
No you are right, it probably wasn’t far off 50/50. In my mind it had been universally condemned so when I saw it was surprising how many people were positive it was against what I expected to find.
I think some have rewritten their opinions since most seem to suggest they always knew Zohore was a poor signing :D
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My bold prediction on this one. Zohore will get twenty goals for us next season, injuries permitting.
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Mark my words - we needed a 20 goal striker -we've signed one.
You love to see it ;D
Seeing as my occasional erroneous predictions get trawled...
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You love to see it ;D
Seeing as my occasional erroneous predictions get trawled...
An interesting and somewhat inaccurate use of the word occasional there :)
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but was you saying that before we signed him?
all I new about him was that he wasn't very prolific in front of goal for Cardiff in prem, gave him a chance but was usually ineffective for us.
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Kenneth Zohore came on for Milwall in 67th min
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Missed a decent chance by all accounts, although his substitution did coincide with Milwall improving.
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Missed a decent chance by all accounts, although his substitution did coincide with Milwall improving.
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On final score they said "Zohore's header denied by a superb save" but then again my glass is always 2/3rds full.
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On final score they said "Zohore's header denied by a superb save" but then again my glass is always 2/3rds full.
It was an attempt from 2 yards out
Swung a boot at it but missed
They showed it on Soccer Saturday
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It was an attempt from 2 yards out
Swung a boot at it but missed
They showed it on Soccer Saturday
Well that surely can't be the same incident can it?
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Well that surely can't be the same incident can it?
No
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Scores on his first start for Millwall. Goo on our Ken :D
My glass is full now ;)
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Come on then, where are all the Zohore haters ?
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Come on then, where are all the Zohore haters ?
Here. No that's wrong i didn't hate him i just don't think he's very good ( neither does Bilic)
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i hope that between now and Jan he leads Millwall to the top of the table scoring for fun !
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Here’s Kenny ! https://streamja.com/vV1Bp
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Come on then, where are all the Zohore haters ?
Don't think anybody 'hated' him, he wasn't right for us.
If he improves sufficiently where we could bring him back to the side then great.
Personally I can't see that happening.
It's a long season,lets see how he performs in the other 40 games
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Here’s Kenny ! https://streamja.com/vV1Bp
nice finish
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Here’s Kenny ! https://streamja.com/vV1Bp
doesn't he run offside before the ball is played out wide, VAR might have ruled that out because of his initial run ! regardless of which I hope he bangs another 19 of them in for Millwall
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doesn't he run offside before the ball is played out wide, VAR might have ruled that out because of his initial run ! regardless of which I hope he bangs another 19 of them in for Millwall
Why? He couldn't do it for us so why would you want him to do it for a club most of us hate? The only club i care about is West Bromwich Albion and what the players here are doing we have enough on our plate without worrying about other clubs.
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Why?........
Future ££££££££££££££££££s?
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Don't think anybody 'hated' him, he wasn't right for us.
If he improves sufficiently where we could bring him back to the side then great.
Personally I can't see that happening.
It's a long season,lets see how he performs in the other 40 games
Never hated him, good luck to him, it didn't work out for him here and that's all really
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Future ££££££££££££££££££s?
I just don't see us getting anywhere near back what he cost.
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Here. No that's wrong i didn't hate him i just don't think he's very good ( neither does Bilic)
Correction ..... Bilic didn't want him, like Grosicki, like Kipre, like Button, who were Dowling's signings, and therein lies the problem.
Neither Zohore , nor Grosicki had a fair crack of the whip , and they knew that they were not wanted by the manager.
Kipre knows that too. Not their fault. Dowling and Bilic need to get it sorted.
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I just don't see us getting anywhere near back what he cost.
His initial fee was approximately half of what was reported with the rest in add ons. One of those add ons would have been us being promoted. We need to claw back more than we would if he were still training with us but not featuring. The more he scores on loan the more attractive he becomes to buyers. The more interested they are the higher his price goes. Personally I don't think he was given a fair crack but then I never saw him in training. It is what it is.
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Correction ..... Bilic didn't want him, like Grosicki, like Kipre, like Button, who were Dowling's signings, and therein lies the problem.
Neither Zohore , nor Grosicki had a fair crack of the whip , and they knew that they were not wanted by the manager.
Kipre knows that too. Not their fault. Dowling and Bilic need to get it sorted.
Grosicki is the one that stands out for me, I thought he played well for us when called on.
Slav must be one vindictive bleeder if things don't go his way
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Grosicki is the one that stands out for me, I thought he played well for us when called on.
Slav must be one vindictive bleeder if things don't go his way
I think you could well be right mate.
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doesn't he run offside before the ball is played out wide, VAR might have ruled that out because of his initial run !
Why would VAR have ruled it offside? :-X
He wasn't involved in that phase of play...
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I think you could well be right mate.
Maybe it is just about the attitude to training? Let's face it most fans couldn't give a monkey's if a player spent all day at training sat on his backside smoking strong herb as long as he turned up on a Saturday (or Monday!!) and did the business on the pitch. But managers are working day in day out and trying to foster an attitude/environment for the team to develop and maybe they just don't fit. I've read a few posts elsewhere that suggest Grosicki is not exactly known for his training work ethic and big Ken never came across as the most energetic of types on the pitch (let alone in training).
Or maybe Billic IS just a vindictive sod and only wants to play his own men. If that is really the case then he certainly won't be here next year in this set up as our manager needs to operate as part of a recruitment team and has to be able to work with all the players on the books.
Kind of hope its the former rather than the latter as i rather like Billic being around!
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Why would VAR have ruled it offside? :-X
He wasn't involved in that phase of play...
I thought you were a defender ? So a center forward running into the box behind the last defender isn't involved? If I was center half it would make me hesitate to go to the man with the ball.
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Hope lad does well out on loan so club can get something for him as I wouldn't want to see him in stripes again.
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Out till Jan with an injury so thats his loan spell over and he will be back here.
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Out till Jan with an injury so thats his loan spell over and he will be back here.
Christ, we cannot get a bit of luck can we? I was hoping he would have a stellar loan and be worth more than a slab of Boddingtons on his return.
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Christ, we cannot get a bit of luck can we? I was hoping he would have a stellar loan and be worth more than a slab of Boddingtons on his return.
We can't get a break at all at the minute sadly.
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Our saviour returns ???
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You just know his wages are going to be part of the reason/excuse that our funds for the next window will most likely be absorbed by 'ongoing running costs' :-X .
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You just know his wages are going to be part of the reason/excuse that our funds for the next window will most likely be absorbed by 'ongoing running costs' :-X .
In this extraordinary time of empty grounds and reduced revenue streams, the club must protect its future for the short to medium term, it is for this reason that there will be naff all spent !
Ken, merry xmas xxx
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In this extraordinary time of empty grounds and reduced revenue streams, the club must protect its future for the short to medium term, it is for this reason that there will be naff all spent !
Ken, merry xmas xxx
If that's the case then I would have much preferred the club come out during the summer and clarified their stance. To the tune of, we are giving our youth a real shot this year. In light of a) their ability and b) the need to safeguard the financial future of the club.
Think fans may actually have accepted that, potentially saw youth flourish and in turn accepted what may be.
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Very true I think the Norwich board came out and said the same last season and it was accepted by the fans.
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Sam Allardyce drops striker hint with Kenneth Zohore set for West Brom return (Source:birminghamlive )
He might, just might help
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Are we short on ball boys?
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Are we short on ball boys?
Just clutching at straws, sign of desperate times Liam
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I understand Allardyce's predicament in the short term. We currently have one fit striker who could have to self isolate at any time. A deal for a striker seems to have fell through (or atleast stalled) and so Zohore coming back for a week or so before maybe competing the season with Milwall isn't stupid.
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The big question mark for me is how motivated will he be if recalled?
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I'd be interested to know how much of his wages have been covered by Millwall and how much we've squirreled away for a rainy day in terms of loan fee/wages.
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I’d rather play Callum Morton with a dodgy shoulder than see Zohore again
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The big question mark for me is how motivated will he be if recalled?
Well he is going to come back to a manager who may play more to his strengths, so it could be interesting. Lumping balls into the box could be his bread and butter. I would still like to see Deeney though.....or someone else.
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We have no choice but to include him in the squads at the moment, fact is we only have Robinson, Zohore and HRK as striker options and one of those is injured.
It’s actually criminal that we are a premier league club and that’s our options up top.
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Well he is going to come back to a manager who may play more to his strengths, so it could be interesting. Lumping balls into the box could be his bread and butter. I would still like to see Deeney though.....or someone else.
If you are lumping balls into the box you need someone to battle to win it. That’s not Zohore.
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I have seen every minute that he has played for us , and feel he has been hammered on here by some unfairly, without ever being given much game time. It is not his fault that he was bought in and Slaven did not want him, and Allardyce needs to give him a chance given the current dearth of strikers.
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I think Big Sam will have a different approach to managing Kenneth than Slaven had, as Slaven never really rated him or wanted him if we are to believe what we read.
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I think Big Sam will have a different approach to managing Kenneth than Slaven had, as Slaven never really rated him or wanted him if we are to believe what we read.
Sounds like Wishful thinking to me. I think Sam will tolerate him if he has no other choice, otherwise I don’t think he’ll take to him at all.
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I have seen every minute that he has played for us , and feel he has been hammered on here by some unfairly, without ever being given much game time. It is not his fault that he was bought in and Slaven did not want him, and Allardyce needs to give him a chance given the current dearth of strikers.
We're probably going to be unpopular for this, but I agree with you. There's no mistaking that he's not brilliant but there's definitely something in there. Somewhere. He should have had more opportunities last season. The caveat being that he shrinks to the size of a sweet pea if he gets snotted, this really shouldn't happen for a player of his size and physique.
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If you are lumping balls into the box you need someone to battle to win it. That’s not Zohore.
To be fair we haven't really seen him with this type of approach to our play, we hardly put any balls into the box for any of our strikers to attack. That has been the problem for quite some time - service.
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I have seen every minute that he has played for us , and feel he has been hammered on here by some unfairly, without ever being given much game time. It is not his fault that he was bought in and Slaven did not want him, and Allardyce needs to give him a chance given the current dearth of strikers.
I’m with you. Definitely worth giving him a chance. We should bring him back.
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Zohore has limitations, no doubt. Allardyce will be a fan of his muscular physique no doubt.
When on song he is comfortably better than Robson-Kanu.
HRK's lack of pace is a major problem, I remember Mar-Antoine Fortune ending up at Southend, as his lack of pace restricted him to play at that level.
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Allardyce will be a fan of his muscular physique no doubt.
There's no point in having a muscular physique if you don't have the desire to be able to fight your way out of a paper bag. If he had both then he might be a useful player.
Due to our inability to bring players in, it looks like we'll have no choice but to play Zohore in the short term though, as playing Robinson up top doesn't suit Allardyce's tactics and the latter seems to be unwilling or incapable of modifying them.
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I find the hope some have commendable.
Zohore is 27 next week and no doubt has wonderful attributes, however no manager has been able to inspire the missing piece he needs.
He’ll join the likes of Bendtner and Boothroyd as players who technically had everything but don’t have the mentality. He’s probably a really good guy but I can’t see how you’ll light a fire for him now.
I can’t think of a single player like him that’s suddenly changed this deep in to their career.
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He reminds me of Anichebe - all the attributes but it just sadly doesn't click
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He reminds me of Anichebe - all the attributes but it just sadly doesn't click
Anichebe was akin to a spartan warrior compared to Zohore. The guy is a wimp.
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Anichebe was akin to a spartan warrior compared to Zohore. The guy is a wimp.
;D
Sad but true. The day Anichebe is described as a spartan warrior means the other guy in comparison has problems.
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Anything is possible, fans were writing Sam Johnson off not that long ago
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Anything is possible, fans were writing Sam Johnson off not that long ago
Still am: SJ has looked better recently but still does nothing to inspire confidence, and still fails to inform and organise the defenders in front of him. Just has zero 'presence'. There are keepers with far less ability than SJ, but are a lot more effective for the team.
Maybe Zohore will be an improvement or at least a useful addition, but can't say until he gets a decent go at it with the way Allardyce might want him to play. Jury still out on him for me until I see him in the shirt again for more than ten minutes at a time.
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Staying at Millwall by looks of it
"Millwall close to an agreement to keep Ken Zohore on loan for the remainder of the season. Initial deal with West Brom has expired. Needs to be done before midday today for him to be available for tomorrow's match."
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Staying at Millwall by looks of it
"Millwall close to an agreement to keep Ken Zohore on loan for the remainder of the season. Initial deal with West Brom has expired. Needs to be done before midday today for him to be available for tomorrow's match."
if this is true i suspect Sam is confident that we have another forward lined up to join in the coming days
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if this is true i suspect Sam is confident that we have another forward lined up to join in the coming days
You'd hope so. Either that or the board just want to save some wages. Hopefully the former.
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if this is true i suspect Sam is confident that we have another forward lined up to join in the coming days
Remember when we sold Horsfield and Earnshaw without a replacement. I wouldn't put anything past this club.
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Remember when we sold Horsfield and Earnshaw without a replacement. I wouldn't put anything past this club.
Yep, even if Zohore stays at Millwall with no replacement the board save about £500,000 in wages i reckon.
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Reports that he has extended his stay at Millwall
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It’s on the official site now. Staying at Millwall until the end of the season.
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Money saved at least if they see no place for him here.
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Kenneth scored from the penalty spot in Millwall’s 4-1 win over Sheffield Wednesday earlier.
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Kenneth scored from the penalty spot in Millwall’s 4-1 win over Sheffield Wednesday earlier.
three goals scored this season great return from our £8 million man NOT!!!!!
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Zohore has been injured for a decent chunk of the season. I’m still hoping he can have a strong finish to the season, maybe get himself 8-10 goals and allow us to get maybe £2m or £3m for him which will be a big help in the summer.
We do need him to start scoring from open play though - I’d dread to think what his overall goal total is over the last 3 seasons when taking out penalty kicks.
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Another masterclass by Dowling. Not only is the player useless but he will be a pain to move on.
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I wonder what are the chances of VI getting a tune out of Kenny Boy?
I only saw the run and cross for Tulloch against Blues but the basics are there, can VI work his magic?
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Given yesterday’s weird contract announcements, I half expected to click on this topic to find out we had extended Zohore as well ;D.
If we only sign one more player this window, then Zohore will have to be the back up centre forward. Early sings are good and apparently Ismael has been impressed. Maybe Zohore might start fulfilling some of his early potential here now he has a coach forcing him to apply himself.
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Cardiff fans I know reckon he can have a good purple patch if he gets going, very much a confidence player. Let's hope so.
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Cardiff fans I know reckon he can have a good purple patch if he gets going, very much a confidence player. Let's hope so.
That's the frustrating thing, he has ability. Despite his size he just doesn't seem to be a target man type centre forward, battling away for 50/50 balls time after time. His strengths seem to be picking the ball up from deeper positions and running at defenders/ attacking space...just the odd hint of Lakaku style runs in wider positions...as you say let's hope.....
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Must be the worst striker we've had since De Freitas, absolutely appalling. Useless on the ball, never uses his physicality - don't think he's ever challenged for a header. It's hard to tell if he's just so bad he never anticipates anything or is so scared of the ball that he's so late to start moving.
He's worse than going down to 10 men, at least with 10 men you are just a man down. With Zohore we actually try and pass to him but he never manages to do anything.
How Dowling sanctioned 8m for him I will never know - 1/2 a Pereira right there apparently....
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Dan.
Every word.
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It’s a blessing that’s he’s had an awful game today. Highlights how much we desperately need another striker.
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Must be the worst striker we've had since De Freitas, absolutely appalling. Useless on the ball, never uses his physicality - don't think he's ever challenged for a header. It's hard to tell if he's just so bad he never anticipates anything or is so scared of the ball that he's so late to start moving.
He's worse than going down to 10 men, at least with 10 men you are just a man down. With Zohore we actually try and pass to him but he never manages to do anything.
How Dowling sanctioned 8m for him I will never know - 1/2 a Pereira right there apparently....
Excellently put Dan 👏🏻
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Valerien won't suffer fools gladly, as the saying goes, but he needs a proper alternative (ideally 2).
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We should just offer him a pay off to f off.
Hes useless doesnt hold ball, win the ball or know what to do when he has it. Worst striker i have seen down the club in 25 years of supporting them
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This guy is next to useless as we knew from the start. Stuck with him for 2 more seasons jeezus.
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Doesn't look interested at all, no real desire. When he came on today we were almost playing with 10 men.
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Once Zohore came on and Clarke came off we fell to pieces.
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I am not one for laying into players but I saw him bottle two headers and show no interest in a 50/50 ball. Not impressed.
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Useless today when he came on. Nothing stuck at all.
6 ft 5, but 5 ft when he jumps.
Not the performance we needed today when trying to see the game out.
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Woeful.
Can’t hold up the ball; doesn’t use his physicality; seemed to lack heart too.
Doesn’t fit the system at all. If Val seriously thinks that he’s good enough to be our second striker then I’d seriously have to question his judgement.
Hopefully today confirms that we’ll go all out for that striker.
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Was shocked by how poor he was today, especially as I had read encouraging comments about him from within the club recently. Looks bigger than ever, a beast of a guy, but never ever uses that physicality. He didn’t cost 8m though as some have said. That’s small consolation I know.
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We can all deal with lack of ability, but not a lack of effort/desire/commitment. For me that’s the most grating part.
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If that was Big Ken showing Val what he's about, then he fell well short today
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We can all deal with lack of ability, but not a lack of effort/desire/commitment. For me that’s the most grating part.
Speak for yourself mate :D the money the likes of him, Bartley, Livermore etc take home they should have ability. Unforgivable at this level not to be able to control a football.
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I am not advocating for his return but I would far rather have kept HRK than this useless lump. Kanu is better than Zohore in basically every conceivable attribute required to perform on a football pitch.
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I am not advocating for his return but I would far rather have kept HRK than this useless lump. Kanu is better than Zohore in basically every conceivable attribute required to perform on a football pitch.
You are right but please dont give the club ideas.
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I've never seen a player be so big yet win nothing in the air. It comes to something when the brummie were sarcastically cheering when he won a header.
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I am not advocating for his return but I would far rather have kept HRK than this useless lump. Kanu is better than Zohore in basically every conceivable attribute required to perform on a football pitch.
Completely agree. How tragic.
Tulloch has to leap frog Zohore, he simply cannot offer less.
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I've never seen a player be so big yet win nothing in the air. It comes to something when the brummie were sarcastically cheering when he won a header.
Our new Colin West....
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Speak for yourself mate :D the money the likes of him, Bartley, Livermore etc take home they should have ability. Unforgivable at this level not to be able to control a football.
Totally wrong to bracket Bartley and Livermore with this guy. They are both way better than Zohore.
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Totally wrong to bracket Bartley and Livermore with this guy. They are both way better than Zohore.
This.
Barts and Jake have their limitations for sure but neither have ever put in a performance like Zohore did today.
I often try to be constructive in my criticisms but Zohore was embarrassing today. It was about as bad a display as I've ever seen in an Albion shirt it was that bad. He looks about a stone overweight for a start.
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I've never seen a player be so big yet win nothing in the air. It comes to something when the brummie were sarcastically cheering when he won a header.
Reminds me a bit of big Victor Anichebe. All size and no heart
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What a waste of space this bloke is. What is more concerning is that Ismael Valerian clearly hasn't got a clue what he doing, his subs were useless and Tulloch was left a bystander.
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What a waste of space this bloke is. What is more concerning is that Ismael Valerian clearly hasn't got a clue what he doing, his subs were useless and Tulloch was left a bystander.
2 games.
It's a shame he isn't Bilic hey.
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2 games.
It's a shame he isn't Bilic hey.
Or Pulis
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I am not advocating for his return but I would far rather have kept HRK than this useless lump. Kanu is better than Zohore in basically every conceivable attribute required to perform on a football pitch.
I would rather have HRK as our second option than Zohore.
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I am not advocating for his return but I would far rather have kept HRK than this useless lump. Kanu is better than Zohore in basically every conceivable attribute required to perform on a football pitch.
Zohore is woeful……always has been….I’d get HRK back in now.
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2 games.
It's a shame he isn't Bilic hey.
I’m certainly not advocating getting on the managers back, but it’s two games , a fair amount of practice sessions plus pre season friendlies…
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What a waste of space this bloke is. What is more concerning is that Ismael Valerian clearly hasn't got a clue what he doing, his subs were useless and Tulloch was left a bystander.
V.I. has had two competitive games with this squad. Us fans have the benefit of many more viewings of these players to know what they are about. It's unfair to criticise V.I. yet. The transfer window is still open and at the moment he has to use what he has at his disposal and he's still learning about them.
I fully expect Zohore to leave the club before the window closes beit probably on loan.
If not and V.I. persists with him and fails to get a tune then criticism is more justified.
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Val probably knows this lads limitations but will not criticise publicly, probably accessing Zohore before giving decision on his future.
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Unfortunately he's the only real CF we have which is shameful on the club to leave any manager with that decision. I'd like to see Tulloch instead now but he's not a proper striker either but like Robinson Grant etc he will surely offer more than Zohore.
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3-0 up, playing again Wednesday and VI puts on the only centre forward at the club.
The only alternative was Tulloch who’s never played a first team game in this division (and only has two in any league).
VI can’t be blamed for putting him on yesterday. The blame lies with people who signed Zohore, who left us with only him as a first team striker, and Zohore himself.
The manager needs to be backed.
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3-0 up, playing again Wednesday and VI puts on the only centre forward at the club.
The only alternative was Tulloch who’s never played a first team game in this division (and only has two in any league).
VI can’t be blamed for putting him on yesterday. The blame lies with people who signed Zohore, who left us with only him as a first team striker, and Zohore himself.
The manager needs to be backed.
Bang on
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Reminds me a bit of big Victor Anichebe. All size and no heart
Reminds me of Paul Williams, Mickey Evans, Fabian De Freitas
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The enigma that is Kenneth Zohore. He has every physical attribute to be a hit. Pace, power and built like an outhouse. Loved the run against Blues which led to Rayhan Tulloch's calmly taken goal.
The only time he looked remotely close to replicating it against Luton the ref' blew for a foul for what appeared to be nothing from where I was stood. Very expensive penalty taker.
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I fully expect that VI will give Big Ken another chance to prove himself, if he again performs as badly, he will then be chopped.
As a new manager VI will need to show the whole squad that he is not a knee jerker and that "everyone can have a bad day" BUT don't have them consistently.
We the fans have the benefit of experience of Ken which VI doesn't and as the slate was wiped clean, it would seem to be be daft to condemn a valuable asset after 30 competitive minutes.
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I fully expect that VI will give Big Ken another chance to prove himself, if he again performs as badly, he will then be chopped.
As a new manager VI will need to show the whole squad that he is not a knee jerker and that "everyone can have a bad day" BUT don't have them consistently.
We the fans have the benefit of experience of Ken which VI doesn't and as the slate was wiped clean, it would seem to be be daft to condemn a valuable asset after 30 competitive minutes.
I'm struggling to understand what you have seen in Kenneth to come to the opinion that he is a 'valuable asset.' You must have seen him for more than the 30min showing on Saturday.
I would argue that we would be lucky to recover 30% of what we paid for him, if we were lucky enough to get a buyer.
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He has scored 3pens out of 3,has power,pace and possibly ball control but what his main failing seems to be he lacks awareness of the game around him and reaction to situations where the ball suddenly comes near or to him.On Saturday the ball came just over his head and it didn't occur to him that he should jump and head it.I don't know how you can cure that weakness.
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Aresnal will put out the kids, and they are in a right mess. I expect him to start against them.
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I'm struggling to understand what you have seen in Kenneth to come to the opinion that he is a 'valuable asset.' You must have seen him for more than the 30min showing on Saturday.
I would argue that we would be lucky to recover 30% of what we paid for him, if we were lucky enough to get a buyer.
Valuable asset, as in cost of remaining contract as well as any potential resale, and at this point 30% would represent good business and we can all blame Dowling for his poor judgement. In fairness, like Burke, he seems to have all the physical components to make a good forward player.....have Sheff Utd got another gem they would like to swap for a non scoring forward??? I'd take another Robinson any day of the week.
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I'm struggling to understand what you have seen in Kenneth to come to the opinion that he is a 'valuable asset.' You must have seen him for more than the 30min showing on Saturday.
I would argue that we would be lucky to recover 30% of what we paid for him, if we were lucky enough to get a buyer.
Fair point, perhaps I should have said "valuable investment"
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Awful every time I've watched him. Get rid asap
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Awful every time I've watched him. Get rid asap
Exactly, ridiculous that Ismael has put him in the 16. His only excuse is that he is still getting to know the players (which he conceded in this post-match interview post Luton, which I took as a acknowledgement that he is still making too many mistakes).
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Do not under stand Vals persistence with this lad
Of course he could improve under new coach
Not going to crucify Ismael
Knows what he’s doing
Everyone needs to be given a chance
Yet I don’t think it will work out
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He has scored 3pens out of 3,has power,pace and possibly ball control but what his main failing seems to be he lacks awareness of the game around him and reaction to situations where the ball suddenly comes near or to him.On Saturday the ball came just over his head and it didn't occur to him that he should jump and head it.I don't know how you can cure that weakness.
The biggest criticism I can level at Ken and I am sure he would argue to the contrary is that there are a lot of occasions where his head seems to be in another place add that to a lack of effort and there really isn't much to work with .
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He has no heart or desire.
Simply going through the motions to collect his hefty pay packet and totally oblivious to the what the crowd think.
The sooner be has gone, the better.
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What kind of wages is he on, any idea? Feels like we'd struggle to shift him on a free
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When does his contract expire ?
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When does his contract expire ?
June 30 2023, 2 seasons left :o
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June 30 2023, 2 seasons left :o
Bugger !
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I did think before the season started that Val would possibly be able to get something out of Zohore (at least off the bench) and turn it around.
But the more I see the more I believe the best managers in the world wouldn't be able to get anything out of him.
From what i've seen he looks disinterested and bored. I could forgive him for his lack of ability if he showed a bit of effort but that doesn't come across.
How and why we paid as much as we did for him I do not know.
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I did think before the season started that Val would possibly be able to get something out of Zohore (at least off the bench) and turn it around.
But the more I see the more I believe the best managers in the world wouldn't be able to get anything out of him.
From what i've seen he looks disinterested and bored. I could forgive him for his lack of ability if he showed a bit of effort but that doesn't come across.
How and why we paid as much as we did for him I do not know.
idiot called Luke Downing sanctioned this deal
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The worst thing is his record was terrible before he got here. Cardiff couldn't believe their luck when Dowling rang them.
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I did think before the season started that Val would possibly be able to get something out of Zohore (at least off the bench) and turn it around.
But the more I see the more I believe the best managers in the world wouldn't be able to get anything out of him.
From what i've seen he looks disinterested and bored. I could forgive him for his lack of ability if he showed a bit of effort but that doesn't come across.
How and why we paid as much as we did for him I do not know.
Same here and pre-season looked almost positive! There just seems to be a few things missing, confidence, attitude, application, intelligence, passion, workrate, instinct, ability......... have I missed anything? :)
Be interesting to see if he's on the bench tonight after Saturday's no show. Even if he is, I hope Tulloch gets the nod.
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Same here and pre-season looked almost positive! There just seems to be a few things missing, confidence, attitude, application, intelligence, passion, workrate, instinct, ability......... have I missed anything? :)
Be interesting to see if he's on the bench tonight after Saturday's no show. Even if he is, I hope Tulloch gets the nod.
I strongly suspect he will be on bench.
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I strongly suspect he will be on bench.
Let's hope he stays there.
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Let's hope he stays there.
No, a final decision needs to be made by VI,
KZ plays well, we all win. Another abject display - VI can look anyone in the eye and say i gave him chances and he didn't grasp them.
We the fans have seen more than enough to have formed an opinion, but VI has (apparently) seen a guy trying hard in training but not perform in his cameo's, VI is likely perplexed as to why, Therefore another opportunity to appraise.
Anyway, Decision time is imminent.
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Not in the squad. Shows VI is not an idiot at least.
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Not in the squad. Shows VI is not an idiot at least.
I think he'd have made the bench had the effort been there but his cameo on Saturday was truly awful. When he lost a header that was inches above him to a Luton player who was shorter than him was the nail in the coffin for me.
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I think he'd have made the bench had the effort been there but his cameo on Saturday was truly awful. When he lost a header that was inches above him to a Luton player who was shorter than him was the nail in the coffin for me.
Yep, no effort which should be the minimum. I'd rather have HRK in the squad over Zohore, at least he tried.
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Castro made the bench ahead of him, I think Zohore just doesn't fit with Val. I think when we look back on Luke Dowling's legacy a picture of Ken and 7 mill will haunt him...
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I'd take a million for him now but who would offer us that?
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I'd take a million for him now but who would offer us that?
Neil Warnock maybe?! Zohore's omission from the squad, along with the continuing absence of Sawyers, shows that Valerien won't select anyone who he believes (I would actually say knows) can't or won't make a decent fist of his style of play. It's very refreshing that Valerien is so laser-focussed, but it's a problem for the depth of the squad if we can't move on the misfits.
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If Warnock is a big fan of him i would be offering Zohore to him tommorow. We will never get anywhere near our money back and his wages are just dead money. Write this one off.
Sawyers was never going to fit into this system as you say. Let's try and get a few million for him and wish him well as well.
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We will end up paying some of his wages even if we by some miracle find a taker as there is no way anyone will match his current terms. Dire signing.
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Was there an instalment plan when we bought KZ? If so, do we owe any further money for him based on appearances. If that were the case, I'd drop him from the 1st team squad - unless we're trying to keep up some pretence that he's worth buying.
I would rather see a youngster given a chance than either of HRK and KZ. That would also send a good message to the academy people.
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Was there an instalment plan when we bought KZ? If so, do we owe any further money for him based on appearances. If that were the case, I'd drop him from the 1st team squad - unless we're trying to keep up some pretence that he's worth buying.
I would rather see a youngster given a chance than either of HRK and KZ. That would also send a good message to the academy people.
I think his signing was largely incentivised to be honest.
Whatever we paid upfront was far too much though.
The Cardiff fans told us what to expect and they weren't wrong.
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I know we struggled in general tonight with mostly kids on the field, but my god... the moment the first goal went in this guy could not look any more disinterested, seemed to be almost stationary for the remainder of the game and as a result we lost any chance of an out ball for the rest of the game unfortunatley which just invited more of the pressure that was already going to be coming from Arsenal.
He's been given plenty of chances to prove he gives a hoot about getting into the team and seems to have let them all slip away.
I will add that I do not like to see any of our own players being booed by some of our fans, But I was not surprised to hear a few when he was finally subbed off...
We obviously won't have paid all the alleged add on fees for him given his poor record with us, but even the upfront money we paid seems too much and we're now lumbered with him for another year or two I think? unless we manage to pull the wool over a club's eyes to buy him.
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His attitude was so **** poor that the kids deserve extra credit for playing on to the best of their abilities.
Imagine it's your first game and you have to suffer this lump sulking about the pitch for 65 minutes spending the majority of that time trying to force VI to take him off due to injury.
Surely as Zohore you understand it's a tough night at work but as one of the veterans and on damn good money you are going to do your utmost to help those making their debuts but nope, not Ken. Wanted off, sod everyone else.
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His attitude was so **** poor that the kids deserve extra credit for playing on to the best of their abilities.
Imagine it's your first game and you have to suffer this lump sulking about the pitch for 65 minutes spending the majority of that time trying to force VI to take him off due to injury.
Surely as Zohore you understand it's a tough night at work but as one of the veterans and on damn good money you are going to do your utmost to help those making their debuts but nope, not Ken. Wanted off, sod everyone else.
I tried to be a bit more diplomatic with my post - but basically agree with this :-X
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I still cannot understand why we signed Zohore in the first place. Cardiff City fans were absolutely delighted to see the back of him.
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He may well not be good enough but I think he did try and his last contribution was straining to keep the ball going out for a goal kick.His main problem seems to be his low pain threshold and seems to be injured every time he jumps or is tackled reminding me of Anachobe.
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He may well not be good enough but I think he did try and his last contribution was straining to keep the ball going out for a goal kick.His main problem seems to be his low pain threshold and seems to be injured every time he jumps or is tackled reminding me of Anachobe.
I also don’t think he is the most tactically aware player. It was as though VI was having to constantly remind him of his role throughout the game. You would expect a senior pro to know the game plan and what his responsibilities were before going on the pitch!
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Baggie79. Forget giving us an update on Ajayi but can you please just get our hopes up and say there a chance this fraud won't be at the club for much longer.
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Makes me angry seeing him wearing the no.9 shirt.
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Can we please get this guy out of the club, one way or another. It beggars belief when you get these players at a club, that are paid very well indeed, yet they can't even be bothered to run around for 90 minutes. We can all forgive a player for his inadequacies, but not for being a bone idle lazy t##t. Makes my blood boil seeing these 'privileged' men earning a very good living, when the likes of us 'ordinary' folk have to scrape together enough money for a season ticket, or to pay the gas bill. This guy is taking money under false pretenses!!!
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He is useless.......he offers nothing.
No threat at all. Needs to be moved on
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CLub seem keen on spunking money up the wall so just offer him around, likely no takers just try and pay him off. It's literally money waste having him on the books.
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Any lip-readers out there? But we don't need one it was blindingly obvious in that close up that Val was saying "just get at them, stop looking around and thinking about anything else just RUN FAST AT THE DEFENDER WITH THE BALL FFS". Kenneth didn't look the slightest bit interested though. I think he is toast here now, I'd rather have HRK back.
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On Twitter someone who was at the game said Snodgrass spent half his own game tearing strips off Zohores efforts.
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He is useless.......he offers nothing.
No threat at all. Needs to be moved on
And therein lies the problem.
If he's as useless as we all know he is then why on earth would anyone else take him on? We need a Wilderesque brain fart like when he took Burke.
An appalling and expensive signing .
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On Twitter someone who was at the game said Snodgrass spent half his own game tearing strips off Zohores efforts.
He did, I pointed it out to my lad a couple of times. Snodgrass didn't look happy at all.
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He is useless.......he offers nothing.
No threat at all. Needs to be moved on
He does but to where?
We need Wilder back in a job somewhere quick. Anywhere.
To make it worse looks like he's carrying an injury thus making it doubly difficult to get rid of this waste of time.
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There are, albeit twitterati, tumours that FC Copenhagen are interested in taking him…let’s hope so!
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On Twitter someone who was at the game said Snodgrass spent half his own game tearing strips off Zohores efforts.
Zohore probably wasn't listening. Snods may have been better served concentrating on his own efforts which quite frankly left me unimpressed. If he's our central cover for Mowatt then based on his performance against Arsenal I'm hoping it's cameos once points are in the bag.
He had good moments in an under strength and inexperienced team and got match time into his legs. We won't be playing Arsenal every week either but he needs to upscale those moments to be of more use than a fog horn.
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Zohore probably wasn't listening. Snods may have been better served concentrating on his own efforts which quite frankly left me unimpressed. If he's our central cover for Mowatt then based on his performance against Arsenal I'm hoping it's cameos once points are in the bag.
He had good moments in an under strength and inexperienced team and got match time into his legs. We won't be playing Arsenal every week either but he needs to upscale those moments to be of more use than a fog horn.
Game did seem to by pass him, wrong position ??
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There are, albeit twitterati, tumours that FC Copenhagen are interested in taking him…let’s hope so!
I'm not a religious man but I will be praying hard for this to happen
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I hate to break the bad news to folks but the various ITK accounts that bedevil tweeter have been proven time and time again to just make stuff up. Occasionally they get stuff right but it is entirely accidental.
A return to Denmark might make some logical sense to Zohore there is a history of players returning to their home country after less than stellar sojourns elsewhere but wherever he goes he is looking at a fairly significant pay cut and that it is always a fly in the ointment.
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I'm not a religious man but I will be praying hard for this to happen
I think he will suit their style of play perfectly, he is a natural for their team to move up to the next level, please share on all Danish sites.
Would be ironic if he failed here but got a move to one of the best cities in the world on the back of it >:(
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I think he will suit their style of play perfectly, he is a natural for their team to move up to the next level, please share on all Danish sites.
Would be ironic if he failed here but got a move to one of the best cities in the world on the back of it >:(
Absolutely if there is truth in this we must come together as one on social media and big up Zohore to them
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I think he will suit their style of play perfectly, he is a natural for their team to move up to the next level, please share on all Danish sites.
Would be ironic if he failed here but got a move to one of the best cities in the world on the back of it >:(
I think its his best option now. It may be a partly psychological problem over here, and communicating with teammates in his own language may help him. Also, FC Copenhagen is arguably the top club in Denmark, who always qualify for Europe.
I'll also agree with you about it being one of the best cities in the world!
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New article up on Athletic. Nothing really major in it other than the fact they claim the player wants to move on himself and willing to walk away from his money deal here to make it happen to play regular football. Less surprisingly it says the club are keen to help him move on.
Goes onto say there was interest in the summer but no club made an offer that satisfied both us and Zohore.
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When the ball hits your head and you’re sat in Row Z…..It’s Zohoreee
I’ll chip in 10p towards his bus fare.
😬
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New article up on Athletic. Nothing really major in it other than the fact they claim the player wants to move on himself and willing to walk away from his money deal here to make it happen to play regular football. Less surprisingly it says the club are keen to help him move on.
Goes onto say there was interest in the summer but no club made an offer that satisfied both us and Zohore.
That’s a good attitude from Zohore to be honest. Shame his performances do not reflect that attitude.
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That’s a good attitude from Zohore to be honest. Shame his performances do not reflect that attitude.
Yep was surprised by it which is why I posted and will give him some credit for that call at least. It's clear the guy is unhappy here so as a club this is one transfer I don't think we should be playing hardball over.
Move him on, his wages are dead money.
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One of several over the years who have been jeered, and in more recent times ridiculed on social media. Their "crime" largely being the transfer fee involved. Not the players fault.
Plenty of offers on here to drive them on their journey. Laughable
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One of several over the years who have been jeered, and in more recent times ridiculed on social media. Their "crime" largely being the transfer fee involved. Not the players fault.
Plenty of offers on here to drive them on their journey. Laughable
His crime isnt the transfer fee, his crime is he is absolutely useless and gives no effort during a match at all, if you come across as a tryer or a work horse but not that good in front of goal (Shane Long, HRK, Hugill, etc), then you will still be backed, if you simply put on a shirt and walk around the pitch stealing a living, you will be hounded, this is Zohore, he simply offers nothing regardless of if we paid £8 or £8 million.
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Hugill doesn't work hard, he rarely makes a run.
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His crime isnt the transfer fee, his crime is he is absolutely useless and gives no effort during a match at all, if you come across as a tryer or a work horse but not that good in front of goal (Shane Long, HRK, Hugill, etc), then you will still be backed, if you simply put on a shirt and walk around the pitch stealing a living, you will be hounded, this is Zohore, he simply offers nothing regardless of if we paid £8 or £8 million.
Really, if we had paid £8 for him, nobody would have given any thought to him except, why we had bothered signing him
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Really, if we had paid £8 for him, nobody would have given any thought to him except, why we had bothered signing him
Point being the fee is irrelevant, if you stink the place out you will be chastised particularly in the social media day and age.
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For me this isn't even about the price although it was a disgustingly bad deal to do but that's Dowling all over. It's more about the lack of effort on Zohores part for me. We knew he was rubbish when we signed him what i can't stand about him is his half-arsed nature and attitude.
The minimum i expect from any player let alone one on 10k+ a week is 100% effort and he's not given that.
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One of several over the years who have been jeered, and in more recent times ridiculed on social media. Their "crime" largely being the transfer fee involved. Not the players fault.
Plenty of offers on here to drive them on their journey. Laughable
He has been jeered, ridiculed and criticised for his poor performances and the disgraceful attitude he’s shown on the pitch. That is a reflection of the individual and had his attitude not been such a disgrace then he would have been supported by those supporters you are criticising.
The board and Dowling have continuously copped the flak for spunking our budget on him and rightly so.
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For me this isn't even about the price although it was a disgustingly bad deal to do but that's Dowling all over. It's more about the lack of effort on Zohores part for me. We knew he was rubbish when we signed him what i can't stand about him is his half-arsed nature and attitude.
The minimum i expect from any player let alone one on 10k+ a week is 100% effort and he's not given that.
You are right and, I suspect, you can multiply the £10k by 2.5 at least. That is not his fault though. Who turns down big wages??
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You are right and, I suspect, you can multiply the £10k by 2.5 at least. That is not his fault though. Who turns down big wages??
I don't blame him for signing. We must have made him and Cardiff very happy. The lack of effort is inexcusable though.
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I don’t know why, but I’m getting a funny feeling, this guy may get another go upfront before long, scored a few in reserves, anyone think val may try again?
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I don’t know why, but I’m getting a funny feeling, this guy may get another go upfront before long, scored a few in reserves, anyone think val may try again?
Was in the local paper last few days that the door is not closed if he doesn't get moved on
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Was in the local paper last few days that the door is not closed if he doesn't get moved on
:o We are "scraping the barrel" then if that's the case !!!!!! >:(
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:o We are "scraping the barrel" then if that's the case !!!!!! >:(
Is he any worse than Highill
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Was in the local paper last few days that the door is not closed if he doesn't get moved on
Is he stuck in the door then?
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Was in the local paper last few days that the door is not closed if he doesn't get moved on
If this was the case then he would have featured more prominently this season.
The fact he’s been playing with the kids since that horror show of a cameo tells us everything we need to know.
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Surely after his dilatory performance last time out we should be recalling Morton if possible and giving him a chance - otherwise the message to the academy is that the club has no regard for its products.
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Surely after his dilatory performance last time out we should be recalling Morton if possible and giving him a chance - otherwise the message to the academy is that the club has no regard for its products.
Have to agree with this. I would rather have a raw, chomping at the bit, youngster than a costly failure who has wasted every opportunity he has been given.
It would absolutely send out a terrible message.
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Is he stuck in the door then?
:D
Very good but possibly truthful as well!
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If this was the case then he would have featured more prominently this season.
The fact he’s been playing with the kids since that horror show of a cameo tells us everything we need to know.
Sorry mate missed this. From what VI said he's been injured until the last 2/3 weeks since his last first team performance.
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Sorry mate missed this. From what VI said he's been injured until the last 2/3 weeks since his last first team performance.
Zohore has played in every U23 game since the start of October (5 games, 4 goals).
He last played for the first team in August against Luton. I think he missed September through injury though.
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Zohore has played in every U23 game since the start of October (5 games, 4 goals).
He last played for the first team in August against Luton. I think he missed September through injury though.
Thanks for clearing that up HB. He should be involved then for me one more time despite his last horror show because whatever we do up front ain't great.
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He didn’t play against Arsenal the other night but that was a cup competition so don’t know whether different age regulations apply
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Zohore has played in every U23 game since the start of October (5 games, 4 goals).
He last played for the first team in August against Luton. I think he missed September through injury though.
What's the scoring record of the other U23's like, in the same period mate? I know Cleary has bagged a few.
As I said above I'd rather a fresh young kid given a chance but, if he is ahead of them on merit, then at least it's justified.
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What's the scoring record of the other U23's like, in the same period mate? I know Cleary has bagged a few.
As I said above I'd rather a fresh young kid given a chance but, if he is ahead of them on merit, then at least it's justified.
In the same time period Faal, Andres, Cleary and Fellows have all scored 1 apiece for the U23's.
I think most of Cleary's goals have come for the U18's.
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In the same time period Faal, Andres, Cleary and Fellows have all scored 1 apiece for the U23's.
I think most of Cleary's goals have come for the U18's.
Thanks Hull, just shows how perceptions can become distorted. I was imagining Cleary to be on-fire for the U23's yet, Zohore is clearly the one who's in goalscoring form.
Based on this, if he comes in, he does so on merit so no real arguments from me. If he does I just hope it's akin to invasion of the bodysnatchers and we see a completely new player!
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Sadly I do not think it is worth trying Zohore again. The U23s tells us something about up and coming players, but Zohore has been given his first team chance, and he was pretty poor when he had his chance. I cannot see how he gets back into a team again.
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Sadly I do not think it is worth trying Zohore again. The U23s tells us something about up and coming players, but Zohore has been given his first team chance, and he was pretty poor when he had his chance. I cannot see how he gets back into a team again.
It will be more about the players getting in ahead of him, Norfolk. I fully agree with your trepidation but none of our forward players are playing well and it's starting to tell therefore he becomes an option purely by default.
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Sadly I do not think it is worth trying Zohore again. The U23s tells us something about up and coming players, but Zohore has been given his first team chance, and he was pretty poor when he had his chance. I cannot see how he gets back into a team again.
I am thinking to myself that if he cannot motivate himself who can!. Seems to be happy just turning up to pick his wages up. Sad state of affairs, perhaps he doesn't realise other clubs could be watching thinking 'This guy is not worth the risk'.
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Was in the local paper last few days that the door is not closed if he doesn't get moved on
Loosely translated I'm taking this to mean we can only afford a new signing's wages if Zohore leaves. No takers for Zohore = no new signing.
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Loosely translated I'm taking this to mean we can only afford a new signing's wages if Zohore leaves. No takers for Zohore = no new signing.
You may be onto something.
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Zohore has played in every U23 game since the start of October (5 games, 4 goals).
He last played for the first team in August against Luton. I think he missed September through injury though.
Based on that I think we will see him on the bench again soon and will be used as the 60 minute sub. He is scoring which we cannot say of our present front line. I hope he gets another go personally, we will know exactly where we are with him then before the transfer window.
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It will be more about the players getting in ahead of him, Norfolk. I fully agree with your trepidation but none of our forward players are playing well and it's starting to tell therefore he becomes an option purely by default.
Yes it is scary if he becomes an option by default. To even make the playoffs we need a better option.
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If Zohore is the answer :o what is the question ?? It’s official the worst number 9’s we have ever had.
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If Zohore is the answer :o what is the question ?? It’s official the worst number 9’s we have ever had.
The worst thing is he has everything but heart for the battle.
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If Zohore is the answer :o what is the question ?? It’s official the worst number 9’s we have ever had.
Mate he is nowhere near as bad as the likes of Stuart and Micky Evans
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I forgot we still had him, god our main striker options are shocking.
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If Zohore is the answer :o what is the question ?? It’s official the worst number 9’s we have ever had.
What about that Paul Williams we got from Stockport
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The worst thing is he has everything but heart for the battle.
That's what really annoys me, he is just rinsing a living off us.
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What about that Paul Williams we got from Stockport
At least he tried.....
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Not a popular view I know, but I think Kenneth could do a decent job and score goals for a team who are prepared to accept the “lazy†type of player he is.
Unfortunately, not many teams these days in the top flights of English football can or would accommodate his type of player.
He might be better suited to playing abroad in their lower divisions, but we will never recoup what he cost us, no matter how large or small imv.
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He's frustrating because the ability is in him but he's got the heart of a mouse.
Never known a player spend so much time injured from playing so little football.
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He's frustrating because the ability is in him but he's got the heart of a mouse.
Never known a player spend so much time injured from playing so little football.
Anichebe :D We certainly know how to pick them.
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Scored for U23s then off at halftime. Could feature Saturday??
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Anichebe :D We certainly know how to pick them.
You are 100% right. I'd forgot about him, cheers! ;D
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Scored for U23s then off at halftime. Could feature Saturday??
On Twitter one of the journos said he signalled to someone at stroke of half-time, perhaps he felt he'd done enough and is going back on the sick? ;D
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On Twitter one of the journos said he signalled to someone at stroke of half-time, perhaps he felt he'd done enough and is going back on the sick? ;D
It was the scout from Rushall athletic, he has found his level
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It was the scout from Rushall athletic, he has found his level
Ouch ;D
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It was the scout from Rushall athletic, he has found his level
My mate Fat Kev (48) is the current CF for Rushall and has said he's not concerned by this rumour. 8)
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My mate Fat Kev (48) is the current CF for Rushall and has said he's not concerned by this rumour. 8)
Tell your mate Fat Kev (48) that the Stalking and Monitoring Departments are impressed by the manner in which he finishes his dinner. The Striker Coaching Department are preparing a contract of three kebabs and a large packet of chips per day if he shows Jordan Hugill how to finish.
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Tell your mate Fat Kev (48) that the Stalking and Monitoring Departments are impressed by the manner in which he finishes his dinner. The Striker Coaching Department are preparing a contract of three kebabs and a large packet of chips per day if he shows Jordan Hugill how to finish.
optional contract extension in Fat Kevs favour at spoons on curry and beer night ?
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At least this bloke will never trigger an appearance based contract extension.
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optional contract extension in Fat Kevs favour at spoons on curry and beer night ?
He won't settle for anything less than an all you can eat buffet. Likes to push himself all the way does Fat Kev (48).
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Anichebe :D We certainly know how to pick them.
Chadli as well. Amazing that his fitness coincided with the national team games
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He won't settle for anything less than an all you can eat buffet. Likes to push himself all the way does Fat Kev (48).
I am now Kev's official agent and have advised him on the historic terms offered by the club for players of a similar pedigree, so he wants a 15 year contract, with a year in his favour. There will also be a clause in his contract that if he's fit he plays, unless his gout flares up (the all you can eat buffet can be a bit rich), then he will need as much recovery time as necessary on full pay and a pair of sponsored slippers.
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I am now Kev's official agent and have advised him on the historic terms offered by the club for players of a similar pedigree, so he wants a 15 year contract, with a year in his favour. There will also be a clause in his contract that if he's fit he plays, unless his gout flares up (the all you can eat buffet can be a bit rich), then he will need as much recovery time as necessary on full pay and a pair of sponsored slippers.
And your % is what Mr parasite ?? A slice of black pud & a mug of builders tea ? A pox upon you and your ilk. Have a nice day
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And your % is what Mr parasite ?? A slice of black pud & a mug of builders tea ? A pox upon you and your ilk. Have a nice day
I get to draw the 60 minute substitute lottery and paint the "L" and "R" on Hugill's boots.
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Interesting to note that Zohore's replacement at Cardiff was a Robert Glatzel. Glatzel has since moved back to the German Bundesliga 2 with Hamburger SV, and having watched a fair amount of him this season, I would say we definitely got the wrong No.9. He's now scored 16 times this season, scores with alot of headers and has a genuine goalpoachers instinct around the 6 yard box. His last transfer fee was a fraction of what we paid for Zohore.
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How does the standard of Bundesliga.2 compare to the Championship Alex? That's a genuine question by the way and not meant to be remotely facetious. I only ask given his return of 10 goals in 51 Championship appearances for Cardiff.
I know it isn't always fair or even possible to compare different squad resources and different leagues etc. but I haven't got the foggiest about Bundesliga.2. Any general thoughts at all based on what you've seen?
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How does the standard of Bundesliga.2 compare to the Championship Alex? That's a genuine question by the way and not meant to be remotely facetious. I only ask given his return of 10 goals in 51 Championship appearances for Cardiff.
I know it isn't always fair or even possible to compare different squad resources and different leagues etc. but I haven't got the foggiest about Bundesliga.2. Any general thoughts at all based on what you've seen?
To my mind, the standard is about the same. Its also very competitive at the top with about 7 or 8 teams making a real a chance of promotion. I just wanted to highlight the difference between Glatzel and Zohore, which to me looks a no brainer, whichever league they are playing in. I find it strange Cardiff let Glatzel go for I believe around £1m., based on what he's doing this season. Maybe tells you something about Mad Mick or Colin's judgement.
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Cheers Alex, much obliged 8) .
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Zohore was a poor signing but Glatzel wouldn't have fared much better. They paid £5.5m for him and sold him for half a million 2 years later. He either didn't settle in the country or couldn't settle in the division. I'm inclined to believe the Championship (on account of it's financial advantage) is probably the strongest second tier league in the world.
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Zohore , cherry on the cake of our poor transfers over the last three years . Lets hope he's the first one gone in the Summer.
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Zohore was a poor signing
Didn't we all know that at the time though? All except the people making the decisions, that is.
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when you read "there is a player in there, just needs the right manager to bring him out" run a freakin mile, it should read " talent that cannot be arsed, and has taken the **** long enough already"
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What is the current situation?
Injured (again), missing in...can't say action or just bombed out?
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perpetuity ?
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perpetuity ?
Perpetuity? Tell me that is a young french creative box to box midfielder we are looking at on a free. Probably get nicked by the Vile :(
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Perpetuity? Tell me that is a young french creative box to box midfielder we are looking at on a free. Probably get nicked by the Vile :(
perpetuity ? Nah mate sorry his elder brother Inaeternity though, he fits the bill
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Out for the season not that he was ever really in.
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Out for the season not that he was ever really in.
That’ll be a blow for whoever he plays for now.
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Fast forward 12 months and Ron Gourlay finally finishes his 6th balti pie and chips and announces to the hungry press awaiting his much delayed announcement:
"Having exhausted our worldwide search (10 feet from the training ground) Ian Pearce and I feel Kenneth Sopoor is the future of this club and we are glad to announce that we have agreed to give Kenneth contract extension of 4 years instead of losing him on a free transfer, as there were plenty of clubs after his prodigious scoring skills.
Then a one legged Kenneth frantically hops in to put pen to paper on his well earnt new contract, showing a desire in signing that was non existent whilst he had 2 legs.
Sad thing is knowing our extending contracts of useless players' it won't be an April's fool joke.
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According to WM Bruce has said he will be brought back in as back up. Dear lord
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Bruce would get manager of the year if he got a tune out him
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According to WM Bruce has said he will be brought back in as back up. Dear lord
Sir Bomber Brown also stated, on WM shortly after, that he was bombed out, but that the next manager had faith in him. We all know the managers he refers to. Different managers get different tunes out of players. Lets wait and see.
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Sir Bomber Brown also stated, on WM shortly after, that he was bombed out, but that the next manager had faith in him. We all know the managers he refers to. Different managers get different tunes out of players. Lets wait and see.
There isn't a bad difference between Bomber and Zohore. If Bruce thinks Zohore will be a positive asset next season he's deluded.
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Bruce would get manager of the year if he got a tune out him
Manager of the Century ;D
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If we’re stuck paying him £20k a week all next season in any event then here’s hoping Bruce has the magic touch with him to at least make him of something sort of value to us on the pitch. I wouldn’t be hopeful though. Such a terrible signing, made no sense at the time and still doesn’t
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The only way we'll get anything out of him at all is because he's in the final year of his contract and he might actually have to put some effort in if he wants a decent deal elsewhere.
Otherwise every manager we've had has seen the same Zohore. Walks around the pitch, hides from the ball, never challenges for headers, if he has to chase a ball he's conveniently always slower than the defender who gets their first. It's a complete attitude issue.
Arguably the player with the worst attitude I can rememeber seeing for us. We bizarrely signed him in the first place and he took the generous deal and decided he could have a 4 year holiday at our expense.
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Bruce would get manager of the year if he got a tune out him
Swing him round by his ankles and he a*** might whistle, but that's the only way I see it happening.
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Has anyone tried him in goal..Christ knows he’s no good in front of it so why not try him IN it?
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Reading between the lines I am far from convinced that Bruce thinks this guy is the answer in any way. I am confident that he would prefer to keep AC but has been told that the club cannot keep 3 centre forwards. Zohore is contracted throughout next season, Carroll isn't. This therefore makes the choice for Bruce. Should we somehow manage to get him off the books however, I would expect us to sign a new number 9, hopefully one who is young and has genuine desire for more than just the next pay cheque.
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Joe the Christ Dike stays fit because Zohore is useless, starting to feel like we are already hamstrung going into next season.
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Joe the Christ Dike stays fit because Zohore is useless, starting to feel like we are already hamstrung going into next season.
Lets wait until we get there first....
Bruce has already explained what he wants in his forwards next season - lets judge him on the recruitment of that.
I'm willing to say that Zohore will barely feature next season.
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I saw him play - I really did. Well he was on the pitch if that counts. So he does exist. More chance of Nessie or Santa playing up front next season - and more of a goal threat.
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Bruce is stuck. We are stuck. League limbo awaits.
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If Bruce is the answer, the question is a fricking nightmare.
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'It'll be like having a new signing'........ thought I'd get in there first ;D .
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If Bruce is the answer, the question is a fricking nightmare.
Maybe so. But this one is not down to Bruce. He is stuck with the likes of Zohore who, due to the wage we must pay him, stops us getting in a replacement.
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'It'll be like having a new signing'........ thought I'd get in there first ;D .
A signing from Wealdstone would be better
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A signing from Wealdstone would be better
I remember a certain Cyrille Regis signing fron Hayes
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To be fair to Bruce and Gourlay at this point they can't for sure know what is possible regarding those under contract. There is no point at this stage talking anybody down. Zohore is under contract until 2023 that contract won't be renewed at best he will be 2nd or maybe 3rd choice. If there is some way of getting him off the books even on a heavily subsidised loan I suspect that he will be off.
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He won't but imagine the meltdown on here if he has an extension triggered by appearances and it gets activated on the last day of the season next year. We will be the one triggered for sure.
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He won't but imagine the meltdown on here if he has an extension triggered by appearances and it gets activated on the last day of the season next year. We will be the one triggered for sure.
An entirely possible thing to happen up here since the Lai/Dowling tandem got to work. We can only hope any trigger clause he has is based over his full time here as hes currently on 23 games in 3 seasons.
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There's a game for next season assuming he's still here.
How many total appearances will he make in his west brom career?
Makes Luke Moore look undroppable. 57 appearances 5 goals to save anyone looking.
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🗣 | #WBA
Steve Bruce: “I’ve just seen Zohore work tirelessly all summer. For me he’s a new player. I’ve seen him today and it might just be. You never know. It’s on the big boy and he’s trying, let’s see what we can get out of him.†https://t.co/DgKTv2BkGv
Shock horror looks like Zohores putting some effort now in now he's on the lookout for a new contract somewhere.
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🗣 | #WBA
Steve Bruce: “I’ve just seen Zohore work tirelessly all summer. For me he’s a new player. I’ve seen him today and it might just be. You never know. It’s on the big boy and he’s trying, let’s see what we can get out of him.†https://t.co/DgKTv2BkGv
Shock horror looks like Zohores putting some effort now in now he's on the lookout for a new contract somewhere.
I won’t hold my breath
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I won’t hold my breath
He looks the slimmest I've seen him. I did say that last week but can he be arsed?
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Be typically Albion to give him a new contract after 5 goals next season. Only for h to disappear back to the reserves for three years.
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Be typically Albion to give him a new contract after 5 goals next season. Only for h to disappear back to the reserves for three years.
Don't curse it please. Was my thoughts exactly
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More likely they are trying to get him fit enough to loan out. Then they can cover some of his wages, rather than just cancelling his contract.
What a brilliant signing from the expensive suit/big watch brigade, better known as directors of football.
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Article gone up on Athletic about him today. Says we paid 8m. God I hope that's wrong.
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Rising to 8 I believe, but he'd have to have a season like Haaland to enforce some of the payments!
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Bored of hearing about him really. Just column inch fillers at the moment, we heard exactly the same last summer and he was bombed out after the usual poor display early on. I'll believe it when I see it, at this point he is a lost cause with little confidence in his own ability. He is a long way away from the 17 year old Champions League debutant.
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Rising to 8 I believe, but he'd have to have a season like Haaland to enforce some of the payments!
That is my belief. I understand that £4m was the actual fee before add ons. Surely there have been none to date??
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That is my belief. I understand that £4m was the actual fee before add ons. Surely there have been none to date??
Pretty sure one of the add ons would have been based on promotion so there's been at least one so far. Don't know whether there's any add ons for goals scored. If there are then lets hope it's just for goals from open play.
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4m is absurd. 8m is a Micky take of the highest order.
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Is there anything reliable saying 4 mil? At the time the local reporters were suggesting it was £7m up front with a further £1m in add ons. That could of course have been wrong as well - fees are notoriously difficult to get right- but that is the only reliable report I've ever read and it's been repeated a couple of times.
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Is there anything reliable saying 4 mil? At the time the local reporters were suggesting it was £7m up front with a further £1m in add ons. That could of course have been wrong as well - fees are notoriously difficult to get right- but that is the only reliable report I've ever read and it's been repeated a couple of times.
I was at a supporters club do where Dowling and Swain were in attendance. When asked about the £8M price tag for Zohore Dowling laughed openly and stated 'it wasn't even half that'.
Swain was sat beside him looking quite smug about life as Dowling went on to suggest it was highly doubtful the final quoted fee would ever be met given the clauses attached.
I think one was promotion as stated earlier. I've no idea what the rest were but I'd imagine international caps would have been in there somewhere. Didn't record the conversation so I can't provide proof it took place.
At the same time I've definitely read an initial sum of £4M being directly quoted somewhere but I've no idea where as nothing has shown up following an admittedly very quick search.
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Whatever we paid for him was far too much for the return we've had.
I can forgive a lack of quality but I cannot forgive a lack of effort and professional pride.
He's a busted flush and should be gone this summer if someone is silly enough to buy him.
The Cardiff City supporters were bang on about him - just a shame our recruitment team didn't read their message board..
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I've never seen such a joyous reaction from a fan as that of Cardiff's when they saw we agreed a deal and then they found out it was a large sum they were uncontrollable. Very bad sign however Dynamite Dowling struck and made his mark in his own, unique way.
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I have seen much whaling and gnashing of teeth on twitter so I guess someone has said something positive about Zohore.
Even if the hope is that we can loan him out or give him a free transfer we still need to get him in good shape in pre-season and yes Bruce does need to give him some encouragement.
I have seen many posters complain that we haven't shipped out players. Many of the players fans want out are on contracts that they would do very well to match elsewhere and Zohore is a prime example. He has been available probably since the 2nd half of the season he joined us and there have been few takers. Equally the player is not obliged to forgo his contract (would you) and just because Bob from Tipton has a meltdown on twitter isn't going to change that.
If we can't unload him then what? Don't use him as squad depth and what purpose does that serve? There are plenty of players bombed out of their clubs and at some point their reaction is "sod it I'll just sit on the contract" To be fair to Bruce he has realised that he has to at try to get something out of the player at least in pre-season.
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I have seen much whaling and gnashing of teeth on twitter so I guess someone has said something positive about Zohore.
Even if the hope is that we can loan him out or give him a free transfer we still need to get him in good shape in pre-season and yes Bruce does need to give him some encouragement.
I have seen many posters complain that we haven't shipped out players. Many of the players fans want out are on contracts that they would do very well to match elsewhere and Zohore is a prime example. He has been available probably since the 2nd half of the season he joined us and there have been few takers. Equally the player is not obliged to forgo his contract (would you) and just because Bob from Tipton has a meltdown on twitter isn't going to change that.
If we can't unload him then what? Don't use him as squad depth and what purpose does that serve? There are plenty of players bombed out of their clubs and at some point their reaction is "sod it I'll just sit on the contract" To be fair to Bruce he has realised that he has to at try to get something out of the player at least in pre-season.
he’s an embarrassment of a footballer who is happy to take home the substantial wages club fork out to him. Blokes on holiday in Portugal and has been on holiday since he’s been at Hawthorns, worst signing ever.
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Zohore is a example as to why we are where we are. Billic didnt want him Dowling did, Cardiff were in disbelief that anyone would want him and the fact we were wiling to pay what we did was just a farce.
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He’s useless. Worse than that he’s a liability we have to keep paying.
We’d have to pay someone to take him.
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He’s useless. Worse than that he’s a liability we have to keep paying.
We’d have to pay someone to take him.
was our top earner when he signed north of £30,000 a week if you can believe that, clubs wouldn’t give us two bob to take him. Thanks Kieth.
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I was at a supporters club do where Dowling and Swain were in attendance. When asked about the £8M price tag for Zohore Dowling laughed openly and stated 'it wasn't even half that'.
Swain was sat beside him looking quite smug about life as Dowling went on to suggest it was highly doubtful the final quoted fee would ever be met given the clauses attached.
I think one was promotion as stated earlier. I've no idea what the rest were but I'd imagine international caps would have been in there somewhere. Didn't record the conversation so I can't provide proof it took place.
At the same time I've definitely read an initial sum of £4M being directly quoted somewhere but I've no idea where as nothing has shown up following an admittedly very quick search.
Cheers, it's probably the most conclusive thing I've heard in the 3 plus years he's been here. I'm glad it isn't quite as high as the local press reported at the time.
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£4m,£7m,£8m, Action Fraud should investigate 😂 anything more than a penny spent on this waster.
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Is it me, or does this story happen every summer? I.e. "Zohore is reported to have a good pre-season, maybe he can rejuvinate his career"
As bad as he is/was - always remember it could be worse. Jordan Hugill I'm looking at you.
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I have seen much whaling and gnashing of teeth on twitter so I guess someone has said something positive about Zohore.
Even if the hope is that we can loan him out or give him a free transfer we still need to get him in good shape in pre-season and yes Bruce does need to give him some encouragement.
I have seen many posters complain that we haven't shipped out players. Many of the players fans want out are on contracts that they would do very well to match elsewhere and Zohore is a prime example. He has been available probably since the 2nd half of the season he joined us and there have been few takers. Equally the player is not obliged to forgo his contract (would you) and just because Bob from Tipton has a meltdown on twitter isn't going to change that.
If we can't unload him then what? Don't use him as squad depth and what purpose does that serve? There are plenty of players bombed out of their clubs and at some point their reaction is "sod it I'll just sit on the contract" To be fair to Bruce he has realised that he has to at try to get something out of the player at least in pre-season.
You know Bob ??
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So, here we are a month or more after Bruce's comments about Zohore having a good pre season and suggesting that he still has a part to play this coming season. Since then, radio silence. Anyone heard any whispers?
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So, here we are a month or more after Bruce's comments about Zohore having a good pre season and suggesting that he still has a part to play this coming season. Since then, radio silence. Anyone heard any whispers?
don’t need whispers to connect the dots. Bomb squad, party of one.
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Desperate effort on SB's part to big KZ up. however nobody's as gullible as we were.
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need to take the number 9 off him
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need to take the number 9 off him
Agreed actually as silly as it sounds. I know they're professionals but being handed the number 9 shirt as a striker is the way of saying your the main man and must be a real confidence boost.
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Agreed actually as silly as it sounds. I know they're professionals but being handed the number 9 shirt as a striker is the way of saying your the main man and must be a real confidence boost.
I know what you mean but some players have a number they prefer, so Dike might not want the number 9 shirt. He wore 10 at Barnsley and mostly 18 at Orlando.
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SB confirms Zohore is free to leave but the brave soldier has a tight groin currently.
SB says he needs to leave for everyones sake including his own career too.
Can't disagree with that.
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Tight groin and a lack of a heart...
In fairness, if there is anyone that Greg should hate for stealing a living from us, it would be Zohore.
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SB confirms Zohore is free to leave but the brave soldier has a tight groin currently.
SB says he needs to leave for everyones sake including his own career too.
Can't disagree with that.
He's really selling him!
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Tight groin and a lack of a heart...
In fairness, if there is anyone that Greg should hate for stealing a living from us, it would be Zohore.
1000000000%, JL is rubbish imo but he does give his all. KZ is an affront to the club in general
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Tight groin and a lack of a heart...
In fairness, if there is anyone that Greg should hate for stealing a living from us, it would be Zohore.
This is so true. Also another example of how Bruce is hamstrung (excuse the pun) with a bunch of high earning under performing players, none of which is his fault. Now let’s pray someone takes Zohore.
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Is it me, or does this story happen every summer? I.e. "Zohore is reported to have a good pre-season, maybe he can rejuvinate his career"
As bad as he is/was - always remember it could be worse. Jordan Hugill I'm looking at you.
Hugill has actually got a few goals recently. Is there something about the Hawthorns or it's fans' expectations that makes CFs freeze?
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Tight groin and a lack of a heart...
In fairness, if there is anyone that Greg should hate for stealing a living from us, it would be Zohore.
Absolutely this.
I'm not sure Zohore will move on though, who's going to buy him on the wages he's likely to insist on?
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SB confirms Zohore is free to leave but the brave soldier has a tight groin currently.
SB says he needs to leave for everyones sake including his own career too.
Can't disagree with that.
And there were many on here saying SB was clueless.....
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Zohore won’t leave unless he’s paid off.
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Zohore won’t leave unless he’s paid off.
Of course he won’t. Another top class Dowling player
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Of course he won’t. Another top class Dowling player
As i typed out my post it made me think of Dowling. The rage has now passed ;D
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He's lived up to expectations really - the Cardiff fans warned us of what he would be like but amazingly he has been worse.
Nobody is going to come and sign him so he is going to be a drain on our resources for the next 12 months.
A staggeringly poor signing given the money we've spent on him.
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He's lived up to expectations really - the Cardiff fans warned us of what he would be like but amazingly he has been worse.
Nobody is going to come and sign him so he is going to be a drain on our resources for the next 12 months.
A staggeringly poor signing given the money we've spent on him.
I've just had a look back (skimmed) the beginning of this thread and he actually gets a half decent reaction from most. There's some skepticism but the main view seems to be that he should be decent at this level.
A few people are more concerned but only a few go out on a limb to say WTF have we done, he is awful.
... by page 10 he's played two games and people have pretty much figured out he is pony ;D.
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He's lived up to expectations really - the Cardiff fans warned us of what he would be like but amazingly he has been worse.
Nobody is going to come and sign him so he is going to be a drain on our resources for the next 12 months.
A staggeringly poor signing given the money we've spent on him.
He's got a year left on his contact, (assuming the £8million transfer fee is correct), he's probably sitting on the books at £1.5 to £2 million. Doubt we'd get much of a fee for him, so we might have to write that off.
On the other hand, if he's sitting here for a year & not making a contribution, we've lost nothing anyway.
Bear in mind this would be an asset loss & wouldn't impact on operating costs.
I could see us getting some kind of deal where we offer to pay some of his wages & make a saving on operating costs, which could be used to bring in another player.
I could see a deal where we pay some of his wages
If
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He's got a year left on his contact, (assuming the £8million transfer fee is correct), he's probably sitting on the books at £1.5 to £2 million. Doubt we'd get much of a fee for him, so we might have to write that off.
On the other hand, if he's sitting here for a year & not making a contribution, we've lost nothing anyway.
Bear in mind this would be an asset loss & wouldn't impact on operating costs.
I could see us getting some kind of deal where we offer to pay some of his wages & make a saving on operating costs, which could be used to bring in another player.
I could see a deal where we pay some of his wages
If
Until he's completely free I don't see who is going to take him. I can't think of a single situation where a club would pay him £5k per week.
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If Oli Burke can keep on getting clubs to play for then Ken will get clubs as well next summer on a free. For some reason, managers always think they can "unlease the potential". Rarely happens - we can testify that with some of our donkeys.
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nobody wants him
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Until he's completely free I don't see who is going to take him. I can't think of a single situation where a club would pay him £5k per week.
Not sure what he's on with us, but I could see a club paying him £10k a week. It doesn't have to be an English club.
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If Oli Burke can keep on getting clubs to play for then Ken will get clubs as well next summer on a free. For some reason, managers always think they can "unlease the potential". Rarely happens - we can testify that with some of our donkeys.
Good point. Need Zohore to sign for Burke's agent and then we might see him sign for a lower team in a European top flight league.
Burke's agent is the god of football agents
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Just skimmed through his 'appearance' record and it reads more like he's an apparition than a professional footballer. Honestly......it's absolutely shocking.
For those of a delicate disposition don't look up how many times he featured in match day squads when we were in the Premier League. Just don't.
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Not sure what he's on with us, but I could see a club paying him £10k a week. It doesn't have to be an English club.
Can’t see it. What sort of club that can pay £10K per week like it’s nothing would want him? Zohore’s next club will be the type that £10K per week is a top earner at best, and you are not going to make him a top earner if you’ve any sense. It’s too big a risk to your finances and dressing room.
I see him going back to Denmark.
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After JC post stating that people were initially positive on this I had to check back and was glad to see I wasn't.
One post in the earlier pages said Cardiff fans were delighted. He can't run, can't head, has no work rate, feels like playing with 10 men when he's on. Can't believe anyone would buy him 😭.
Ladies and gentlemen meet Luke Dowling.
Saying that half the folk on here said he just needs a chance. Incredible
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........... by page 10 he's played two games and people have pretty much figured out he is pony ;D.
Atomic went a little early with the 'mark my words' post on page 8 ;D .
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Atomic went a little early with the 'mark my words' post on page 8 ;D .
Nothing to do this afternoon so as i'm say i will be re-reading the intial 15 pages
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Atomic went a little early with the 'mark my words' post on page 8 ;D .
1 it's by no means the first time I've been too premature
2 There's nothing easier than sitting on a fence. If you have opinions you're going to win some and lose some. Be big enough to back your judgement.
Now sod off you swine ;D ;)
Ps! Before mods do me for swearing, sod is a piece of turf and swine is a pig! :P
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Atomic went a little early with the 'mark my words' post on page 8 ;D .
There are some belters to be fair. I didnt want to name drop any in particular but that did stand out.
Plenty thought it was unfair to judge until he had played 10 games though and according to Transfermarkt, he's played 673 league minutes for us, so perhaps we have all gone a little early.
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1 it's by no means the first time I've been too premature........
Premature? I was going say you went in balls deep but you wouldn't have had time :P .
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There are some belters to be fair. I didnt want to name drop any in particular but that did stand out.
Plenty thought it was unfair to judge until he had played 10 games though and according to Transfermarkt, he's played 673 league minutes for us, so perhaps we have all gone a little early.
Yep. Hasn't made a league squad for almost a full calendar year. Didn't have the chance to look at his apparitions in detail but I think his last league start was against Derby in the Bilic promotion season.
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Just re-read pages 1-12:
SmethDan in early doors saying we only paid 2-2.5m. God i hope thats true. It's money waste but far better than 8m
This thread from Cardiff fans delighted to be rid of KZ should have been shown to Dynamite Dowling : https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=208465&sid=b6bfbb7523b209b9454cad8745b9ad3f
A frequent poster, long since departed said KZ will be a decent signing, like a new Ishmael Miller. A few in agreement.
JUst seen Atomics post ;D
A lot of people saying give him a chance, it's only been 1 game. Other half saying he's not great but stick with him
Baggie82 not a fan from the start. Fair play.
GregMT says KZ missed a good chance because Jake Livermore was playing.
More calls that he's rubbish but his defenders say he needs to start 10 games before we can judge him (I don't think he's started 10 games for us in 3 years has he?)
Then no posts from August until December and people saying he's rubbish and we've wasted 8m ;D
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Just re-read pages 1-12:
SmethDan in early doors saying we only paid 2-2.5m. God i hope thats true. It's money waste but far better than 8m.......
The £2M-2.5M figure was something I'd read online. According to Luke Dowling we paid (I think) somewhere between £3.5M and £4M initially, genuinely can't remember which.
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The £2M-2.5M figure was something I'd read online. According to Luke Dowling we paid (I think) somewhere between £3.5M and £4M initially, genuinely can't remember which.
I hope your figure is correct Dan. He certainly won't have merited any performance or appearance related extras that is for sure.
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Just checked and now into his 4th season with us, KZ has started 7 games in total. Jeezus.
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Just checked and now into his 4th season with us KZ has started 7 games in total. Jeezus.
Well there you go. Everyone is picking on me but the lad has hardly been given a chance. ;D
Didn't realise he'd started only 7 games.
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Just re-read pages 1-12:
SmethDan in early doors saying we only paid 2-2.5m. God i hope thats true. It's money waste but far better than 8m
This thread from Cardiff fans delighted to be rid of KZ should have been shown to Dynamite Dowling : https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=208465&sid=b6bfbb7523b209b9454cad8745b9ad3f
A frequent poster, long since departed said KZ will be a decent signing, like a new Ishmael Miller. A few in agreement.
JUst seen Atomics post ;D
A lot of people saying give him a chance, it's only been 1 game. Other half saying he's not great but stick with him
Baggie82 not a fan from the start. Fair play.
GregMT says KZ missed a good chance because Jake Livermore was playing.
More calls that he's rubbish but his defenders say he needs to start 10 games before we can judge him (I don't think he's started 10 games for us in 3 years has he?)
Then no posts from August until December and people saying he's rubbish and we've wasted 8m ;D
Sure you weren't reading the recent posts on the Steve Bruce thread? But that's actually just human nature. Some people like to state their opinion based on what they know and have read, whilst others, more optimistic and hopeful, like to be fair minded and give a guy a fair crack of the whip before coming to a conclusion. Having said that, KZ has to be one of our worst ever signings. Whether £3 or £8 million, Cardiff must have been beyond delighted.
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Well there you go. Everyone is picking on me but the lad has hardly been given a chance. ;D
Didn't realise he'd started only 7 games.
;D
Those people who said he needs 10 games to be judged were clearly sitting on the fence ;D
At least you went fully commited as you said!
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Just checked and now into his 4th season with us, KZ has started 7 games in total. Jeezus.
Well he definitely would have triggered at least one clause. Promotion. Here's hoping any goal bonuses didn't include penalties ;D .
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Sure you weren't reading the recent posts on the Steve Bruce thread? But that's actually just human nature. Some people like to state their opinion based on what they know and have read, whilst others, more optimistic and hopeful, like to be fair minded and give a guy a fair crack of the whip before coming to a conclusion. Having said that, KZ has to be one of our worst ever signings. Whether £3 or £8 million, Cardiff must have been beyond delighted.
I think KZ was just a terrible, terrible signing from the start. That cardiff thread says it all.
My first response ( to be open and fair) was along the lines of 'Dont know anything about him but the Cardiff fans are delighted he's leaving which isn't good and either way we still need to buy another striker as KZ doesn't score many goals'
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Well he definitely would have triggered at least one clause. Promotion. Here's hoping any goal bonuses didn't include penalties ;D .
Oh god you are right. Wouldn't he need to have appeared in some games though, like 10 or 20??
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Oh god you are right. Wouldn't he need to have appeared in some games though, like 10 or 20??
The really sad thing being that if we can't get him off the books before the end of the season and go up, I imagine we'd need to pay Cardiff another promotion bonus should such a clause exist. Still, if there's anything in the deal relating to international appearances we shouldn't need to worry about any of those ;D .
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The really sad thing being that if we can't get him off the books before the end of the season and go up, I imagine we'd need to pay Cardiff another promotion bonus should such a clause exist. Still, if there's anything in the deal relating to international appearances we shouldn't need to worry about any of those ;D .
Please stop Dan ;D It's making it all worse.
We really were a joke of a club for a few years back then. Heartbreaking.
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Should never have been bought, but we did. If he'd been a 'free' I could live with the failure, but the money we spent on this guy, plus his wages, we may as well have flushed money down the toilet. He wont be leaving unless he gets same money he is currently on, and that ain't happening. He actually makes Fabian DeFreitas look like Maradona, that's how bad this guy is. Seems more than happy to sit out his fat contract rather than play football somewhere else.
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If we left him outside the East Stand, the rag and bone wouldn't even pick him up.
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If we left him outside the East Stand, the rag and bone wouldn't even pick him up.
In fairness I can't imagine many of them have got JCBs.
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As ever the queue of people telling you a player they thought was rubbish has turned out to be rubbish stretches round the block whereas the one where the reverse was true is always much shorter.
I think it is possible to have reservations about a transfer (price ability age tactical fit etc...) but still hope that the player does well and to some extent judge them on their contribution they make at the Albion rather than what has gone before.
All that said Zohore has been pretty dreadful. The inevitable parting of the ways has largely delayed by the players wages and that is possibly the lesson here that we need to be more careful about managing players contracts in the Championship. The fee is nearly always a secondary consideration as often it is a write off anyway.
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One of the clubs top earners on over £30k a week this boy won the lottery when he signed for us and is a very wealthy man.
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One of the clubs top earners on over £30k a week this boy won the lottery when he signed for us and is a very wealthy man.
If you are a player and you hear Dowling wants to open negotiations, you get yourself signed up quick smart.
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Why bother trying when you are on a nice contract trousering £30k a week!
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What a terrible job Dowling did for us.
Especially when you consider how well run we were in the days of Dan Ashworth. Not every signing was a success of course, but the utter rubbish Dowling brought in at huge expense is extraordinary.
Dowling’s legacy will be felt for years and weighs down every person attempting to manage the club. I wish Bruce or anyone else every success in trying to pull us out of the nosedive.
The likes of Swift and Wallace look like a positive start. But I can think of few people who’ve done more damage than Dowling.
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The likes of Swift and Wallace look like a positive start. But I can think of few people who’ve done more damage than Dowling.
Just Lai really. The cause of it all.
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Just Lai really. The cause of it all.
Well yes, I agree. But the signing of bad players wasn’t really his doing, even if he is the owner from hell.
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Well yes, I agree. But the signing of bad players wasn’t really his doing, even if he is the owner from hell.
No but he cared so little he let the money get chucked up the wall. A present owner would not have let Dowling get away with what he did.
A competent owner would never have appointed Dowling in the first place on top.
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No but he cared so little he let the money get chucked up the wall. A present owner would not have let Dowling get away with what he did.
A competent owner would never have appointed Dowling in the first place on top.
True enough.
It’s like Boards of Directors constantly sacking managers, but never accepting that the fault might lie in those making the choice to appoint them ie themselves.
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Why bother trying when you are on a nice contract trousering £30k a week!
Professional pride and personal integrity. I have no idea whether Mr. Zohore has either or both of those attributes of course.
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This guy is the biggest waste of space I've seen at our club. Seems more than happy to be injured, and as others have mentioned, continue to pick up a healthy wage.
There's absolutely no way he's leaving until his contract expires, as no one else is stupid enough to take him off our hands. How he ever turned professional is beyond me!!
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You just know he's going to get a handsome pay off, sign for someone on a free and score the winning penalty against us in the playoff final. Any gambling men who don't mind betting against the Albion out there? Thought so ;) .
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This situation with Zohore stinks to be honest.
I’ve heard through a good source that he has no motivation to play football for us and is happy to just sit out his contract. His focus appears to be on business interests back in Denmark.
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This situation with Zohore stinks to be honest.
I’ve heard through a good source that he has no motivation to play football for us and is happy to just sit out his contract. His focus appears to be on business interests back in Denmark.
We have known that since day 1 i think sadly.
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We have known that since day 1 i think sadly.
Oh, it’s obvious but from what I heard it just confirms it. Waste of space.
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Oh, it’s obvious but from what I heard it just confirms it. Waste of space.
He wont even consider moving on and why would you with what we offered him.
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He wont even consider moving on and why would you with what we offered him.
Exactly, I think he knows his time as a professional footballer are over and is cashing in as much as he can while using it to set himself up after his contract runs out. Can't blame him, should be blaming the idiots in charge who brought him here.
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Exactly, I think he knows his time as a professional footballer are over and is cashing in as much as he can while using it to set himself up after his contract runs out. Can't blame him, should be blaming the idiots in charge who brought him here.
Dowling and Lai the most atrocious combo in football.
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Probably the least motivated player ever seen for us and possibly our worst signing ever given the fee - and there's strong competition. I thought he might at least put some kind of effort in this season what with his contract up but seems content to just continue on the same path.
Won't be too surprised if he never plays anywhere else, certainly any club that takes him on after his antics here has to be terribly run. No doubt there's Dowling's of this world who'll take the risk though.
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Deserved a good amount of abuse.
I hope Bruce puts him on the bench so he can face everyone he's stole a living from.
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https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/cardiff-city-should-go-in-for-west-brom-forward-to-bolster-frontline-opinion/
If only it was true
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https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/cardiff-city-should-go-in-for-west-brom-forward-to-bolster-frontline-opinion/
If only it was true
Our only hope to get this guy off the books. Please Cardiff, take him off us.
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Laugh is that he probably got promotion bonus and prem wage’s with Bilic and if Bruce gets us up will have another promotion bonus, lad laughing all the way to bank.
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last time seen anyone as lazy as him was Luke Moore, hes stealing a living . if he has no interest in playing for us sack him.
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last time seen anyone as lazy as him was Luke Moore, hes stealing a living . if he has no interest in playing for us sack him.
I really wish it was that easy. He is protected by the silly contract given by our club.
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last time seen anyone as lazy as him was Luke Moore, hes stealing a living . if he has no interest in playing for us sack him.
He has a contract until the end of the season. If we want him to leave I guess he’s entitled to his wages in full. As someone mentioned the other day he’s probably on far more money not playing for us than he will ever earn in his life again. Why would he leave. His best bet is to sit tight and try to get fit in the hope of finding a club abroad at the end of the season.
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Could Carlos Corberan be the man to unleash Kenneth's inner beast on Championship defences?
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Flipping hell thought he'd officially retired or something then! ;D
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Could Carlos Corberan be the man to unleash Kenneth's inner beast on Championship defences?
Every time this thread gets pulled up I wince. Zohore thank god is out of contract next summer and I look forward to never having to hear about him ever again.
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Every time this thread gets pulled up I wince. Zohore thank god is out of contract next summer and I look forward to never having to hear about him ever again.
Never know, if he responds to Carlos Corberan's coaching he might do enough in the club's eyes to earn a contract extension ;D .
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Never know, if he responds to Carlos Corberan's coaching he might do enough in the club's eyes to earn a contract extension ;D .
Hasn’t Ron already offered him one? Along with Phillips and Bartley?
We might lose them if he doesn’t, and we wouldn’t want such precious assets to be lost, would we?
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The bloke is a disgrace.
How nobody at the club has called him out on his lacklustre (and that’s the kind way of putting it) efforts around the training ground, I’ll never know.
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Would anyone consider this lump on Tuesday? Agreed with all the sentiment regarding this player, but you know new manger and all that, would CC even try it? Can he be any worse than Grant?
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Would anyone consider this lump on Tuesday? Agreed with all the sentiment regarding this player, but you know new manger and all that, would CC even try it? Can he be any worse than Grant?
He couldn't do any less than Grant. I'd rather throw Asante and Cleary in myself. I'd have thrown Faal in before Zohore, but that option has gone.
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Amazing to think Grant got 18 last season :o
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He couldn't do any less than Grant. I'd rather throw Asante and Cleary in myself. I'd have thrown Faal in before Zohore, but that option has gone.
He doesn't even want to try - that's obvious.
Shouldn't be anywhere near a football pitch.
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Would anyone consider this lump on Tuesday? Agreed with all the sentiment regarding this player, but you know new manger and all that, would CC even try it? Can he be any worse than Grant?
Cannot stand the guy but, to answer the question, no he could not do worse than Grant.
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I think he has to start. For no other reasons than
(a) Carlos needs to see him in a game to pass judgement on him
(b) he needs BTA up there along side him on Tuesday
I don;t care what formation we use, but we must have 2 up front. We need goals to survive.
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The trouble is I’m struggling to find any question for which Zohore is the answer.
We need some guts and some spirit to change the mood in our squad. I think I know how I’d feel if I saw him as a teammate.
And it wouldn’t be positive. If anything my morale would be even lower than it is now.
Don’t disagree for a moment that we need a goal threat, but Zohore? I’d push a centre back (or pretty much anyone) up top before I picked him.
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I cannot even remember the last time I saw this guy play for us. It certainly would be a brave call to start Zohore by CC as if the game didn’t go well Tuesday he’d certainly be a target for the fans. Obviously this goes against what we need at the min with us all pulling in the same direction. But as I asked earlier, I’m struggling to think of any other options we have up top. We put all these crosses in and one goal could change everything quickly. A long shot but what do we have to lose
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The trouble is I’m struggling to find any question for which Zohore is the answer.
We need some guts and some spirit to change the mood in our squad. I think I know how I’d feel if I saw him as a teammate.
And it wouldn’t be positive. If anything my morale would be even lower than it is now.
Don’t disagree for a moment that we need a goal threat, but Zohore? I’d push a centre back (or pretty much anyone) up top before I picked him.
How about ‘who is the biggest waste of money we have ever signed?’
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I think he has to start. For no other reasons than
(a) Carlos needs to see him in a game to pass judgement on him
(b) he needs BTA up there along side him on Tuesday
I don;t care what formation we use, but we must have 2 up front. We need goals to survive.
Respectfully, couldn’t disagree with this more.
Zohore has shown nothing under the last four managers that he has had to be anywhere near a football pitch. He’s unfit, has no heart and is simply winding down his contract until he can leave and, IMO, probably retire. He’s a joke.
I actually think it’s not the scoring goals - we need to build on trying to keep a clean sheet. When we start to do that, it gives you a chance. Conceding 2 goals a game doesn’t get you many points…
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I cannot even remember the last time I saw this guy play for us. It certainly would be a brave call to start Zohore by CC as if the game didn’t go well Tuesday he’d certainly be a target for the fans. Obviously this goes against what we need at the min with us all pulling in the same direction. But as I asked earlier, I’m struggling to think of any other options we have up top. We put all these crosses in and one goal could change everything quickly. A long shot but what do we have to lose
Last game I remember him playing was against Luton at the beginning of last season. We were 3-1 up when he came on, he kept gifting the ball to Luton, got booked, it was like playing with a man down. There was well over 10 minutes extra time due to a serious injury to a luton player and it was a very nervy finish, we were lucky to win 3-2. I think the general consensus was hoping we never see him play for us again.
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How about ‘who is the biggest waste of money we have ever signed?’
I like it! However, he is beaten to that esteemed title by Burke and Grant.
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"Joe Chapman
@ChapmanJ92
While doing a bit of research for this piece, I discovered that Phil Jagielka has played more games against Albion than Kenneth Zohore has for them in 3.5 years. 😨"
Zohore has got to be one to the very worst signings made in my lifetime and that is saying a lot.
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"Joe Chapman
@ChapmanJ92
While doing a bit of research for this piece, I discovered that Phil Jagielka has played more games against Albion than Kenneth Zohore has for them in 3.5 years. 😨"
Zohore has got to be one to the very worst signings made in my lifetime and that is saying a lot.
Modern football eh? Somehow I don't think this is what Jimmy Hill et.al had in mind back in the day.
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Modern football eh? Somehow I don't think this is what Jimmy Hill et.al had in mind back in the day.
What did they have in mind back in the day? Before me time Dan 8)
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What did they have in mind back in the day? Before me time Dan 8)
Abolition of the maximum wage cap by 1961.
Much to Liam's probable shock I wasn't around then either ;) .
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Abolition of the maximum wage cap by 1961.
Much to Liam's probable shock I wasn't around then either ;) .
Ahhh thanks for explaining. Zohore is delighted that happened i would imagine and a few more like him!
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Reading some of the first few pages is amusing. :D
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Reading some of the first few pages is amusing. :D
I think we have already had this some pages back but yep i fully agree ;D
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Find it disgraceful that somebody paid the sort of money he is on cannot be bothered to try.
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i cannot believe that whoever scouted him said that he was worth 8 million quid or even worth taking a chance on!
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I can’t believe he has been allowed to steal a living, for so long.
The questions we should really be asking are- why hasn’t he improved his attitude and work rate, in his time at the club?- why has he not be sent out more on loan and at least getting some other club to pay some of his wages? Who scouted him and are these people still in position to make similar decisions at the club?.
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i cannot believe that whoever scouted him said that he was worth 8 million quid or even worth taking a chance on!
Colin laughed his balls off when he sent him to us
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I was told he has picked up over £6m in wages during his time at the club. If true what an absolute disgrace of a signing this was.
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I can’t believe he has been allowed to steal a living, for so long.
The questions we should really be asking are- why hasn’t he improved his attitude and work rate, in his time at the club?- why has he not be sent out more on loan and at least getting some other club to pay some of his wages? Who scouted him and are these people still in position to make similar decisions at the club?.
Likely the same reason he hasn't left permanently - no-one wants him and/or he doesn't want to leave. Players can refuse loan offers, I believe.
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I was told he has picked up over £6m in wages during his time at the club. If true what an absolute disgrace of a signing this was.
Wouldn't surprise me if this were the case across the whole length of his four year deal. £6,000,000 ÷ 4 (yrs) ÷ 52 (wks) = £28,846.15 and lots of little numbers pw.
Add in a promotion bonus, increased wages for one season and a signing on fee then the total figure of £6,000,000 is well within the realms of possibility.
And then there's his 'loyalty bonus' to consider along with the extra month of pay at the end of a contract and employee contributions to take into account if that's a thing for players.
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Due to lack of activity on the forum I found myself going back to page one of his thread. It may be too late but someone (CC??) needs to get a hold of this guy. He scored some very reasonable goals for Cardiff. If he could do it then, why not now? I realise that around 5 managers have not managed to sort him out but still.
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Due to lack of activity on the forum I found myself going back to page one of his thread. It may be too late but someone (CC??) needs to get a hold of this guy. He scored some very reasonable goals for Cardiff. If he could do it then, why not now? I realise that around 5 managers have not managed to sort him out but still.
I just don't think he's motivated, he's shown nothing since he's been with us or on loan at Millwall to suggest otherwise.
I noticed that he's going to Spain for the warm weather training camp. If by some miracle he can get motivated and up to speed he might save us the need to get another striker in in January.
His career total of 37 goals in 178 appearances isn't that great either (it's just shy of 1 in 5).
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I just don't think he's motivated, he's shown nothing since he's been with us or on loan at Millwall to suggest otherwise.
I noticed that he's going to Spain for the warm weather training camp. If by some miracle he can get motivated and up to speed he might save us the need to get another striker in in January.
His career total of 37 goals in 178 appearances isn't that great either (it's just shy of 1 in 5).
He's not worth the air fare. Sooner the club gave the money wasted taking him to a worthy charity.
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For the sake of him earning another contract elsewhere, it would certainly be in his interests to have something of an Indian summer in his last few months with us. I hold little or no hopes for that happening but, presuming he isn’t looking to retire when he leaves in the summer, though he could probably afford to on what we’ve paid him, he could do with showing something to attract suitors.
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Too much too young. The game came easy to him in Denmark where he was big for a young lad and could bully his way through games. Apathy met injury and he was found wanting when he moved to Italy and realised he was a smaller fish than he realised in a very big pond.
Lost his mojo when he couldn't bully his way through games anymore and couldn't raise the enthusiasm to train enough to raise his game. The potential's always been there along with an appreciation for the life style but not the motivation to work when things get tough.
Rough precise of an article I read online from some Welsh paper a few months back. Part of the article was based on an interview with one of his former coaches in Denmark and it was written sometime around when he joined Cardiff.
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Too much too young. The game came easy to him in Denmark where he was big for a young lad and could bully his way through games. Apathy met injury and he was found wanting when he moved to Italy and realised he was a smaller fish than he realised in a very big pond.
Lost his mojo when he couldn't bully his way through games anymore and couldn't raise the enthusiasm to train enough to raise his game. The potential's always been there along with an appreciation for the life style but not the motivation to work when things get tough.
Rough precise of an article I read online from some Welsh paper a few months back. Part of the article was based on an interview with one of his former coaches in Denmark and it was written sometime around when he joined Cardiff.
It’s tragic to waste talent. But talent without the right attitude is often worthless.
We can all name players and people like that - sadly this one has cost us a fortune.
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If we are lucky in the summer we could maybe sell him for the price of a Single Train Ticket from The Hawthorns to Wolverhampton and a Tesco Meal Deal
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Not sure if its been mentioned elsewhere but i know from a good source that zohore is a very wealthy businessman.
I believe he has numerous investments and is also a silent partner to Martin Braithwaite (another wealthy footballer / businessman last seen playing for Barca)
I was told in the summer he planned to run his contract down and had no intention of going on loan, Apparently he turns up on time and does as he is told so not to get fined, etc. but has no interest in actually playing and his aim was to leave in the summer and go to a lesser league abroad for the lifestyle, or even retire.
Whether that changes ik january or the summer and he rediscovers his love of football time will tell but i wouldnt want to be the club that took the risk.
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If true then a fitting end to a disaster of a transfer. Clubs of our size cannot afford these type and size of mistakes.
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If we are lucky in the summer we could maybe sell him for the price of a Single Train Ticket from The Hawthorns to Wolverhampton and a Tesco Meal Deal
Tesco Meal Deal's have reecently gone up so I doubt it.
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Not sure if its been mentioned elsewhere but i know from a good source that zohore is a very wealthy businessman.
I believe he has numerous investments and is also a silent partner to Martin Braithwaite (another wealthy footballer / businessman last seen playing for Barca)
I was told in the summer he planned to run his contract down and had no intention of going on loan, Apparently he turns up on time and does as he is told so not to get fined, etc. but has no interest in actually playing and his aim was to leave in the summer and go to a lesser league abroad for the lifestyle, or even retire.
Whether that changes ik january or the summer and he rediscovers his love of football time will tell but i wouldnt want to be the club that took the risk.
I knew he had business interests and his 'earnings' were coming in more than handy. The Braithwaite connection's interesting given his links to New York real estate in particular. Both moving in high circles.
Actually saw Kenneth in Birmingham just prior to the start of the season. He was with a portly little chap in ill fitting trousers and a jacket on a boiling day. Think he may have been a 'representative'. KZ had definitely been training over the summer and looked fit enough for a game of football to me.
Heard he was actually close to a moving away permanently at one point only negotiations faltered so he decided to sit tight. Would have gone over and wished him god speed if there was another potential move in the offing so to speak but I was running late and in a real hurry so couldn't.
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Tesco Meal Deal's have reecently gone up so I doubt it.
Not with a Clubcard my Stepmum works there so we get it for £3 it is £3.50 know I think
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It demonstrates how important it is to do some psychometric testing to find out whether a player really wants to play for us or whether he's just running down his career or his loan spell. I remember that when Jacob Murphy came on load from Newcastle, he mainly hid but his gives everything for "his" club.
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Not sure if its been mentioned elsewhere but i know from a good source that zohore is a very wealthy businessman.
I believe he has numerous investments and is also a silent partner to Martin Braithwaite (another wealthy footballer / businessman last seen playing for Barca)
I was told in the summer he planned to run his contract down and had no intention of going on loan, Apparently he turns up on time and does as he is told so not to get fined, etc. but has no interest in actually playing and his aim was to leave in the summer and go to a lesser league abroad for the lifestyle, or even retire.
Whether that changes ik january or the summer and he rediscovers his love of football time will tell but i wouldnt want to be the club that took the risk.
It's a tough one as a football club. Give a new player a 4 year deal and they can bite you after two good seasons. Give it to someone like Zohore, and they can run it down which is completely in his right to do so. I recently watched a video on the England Youtube channel and you can see how they live in a pampered bubble. Interestingly, at the end of his spell here, Zohore will be 29 years old and around 5 years off retirement.
Even crazier, I can still see him landing at a club like Blackpool or somewhere in the championship or somewhere that pays him well abroad. Being a football is a very easy life.
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Find it disgraceful that somebody paid the sort of money he is on cannot be bothered to try.
I find it disgraceful that players who do what he is doing can't be sacked. Who writes the ******** contracts?
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I find it disgraceful that players who do what he is doing can't be sacked. Who writes the ******** contracts?
I write contracts for a living. Mine are fairly easy as they are buying stuff and stuff buying has lots of legal precedence. But in the example you've given here you'd be talking about things that are subjective such as effort. If he failed to turn up to training that would be a metric you could measure. But how do you measure effort? How do you tell the difference contractually speaking between a lad who just isn't very good and your scouts messed up and a lad who is for maybe psychological reasons not wanting to try?
His not trying will have cost him a fortune, in that Albion aren't paying various fees and he won't be able to comand much of a contract in the future. Sadly contracts work both ways and in this one we're stitched up by the last Sporting director.
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I find it disgraceful that players who do what he is doing can't be sacked. Who writes the ******** contracts?
Realistically, it's impossible to do this. Legally, you couldn't write up a contract that would sack someone if they still come to training yet aren't good enough to play. It doesn't work like that sadly.
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If I turn up for work but don’t put in any effort, I would be subject to a performance improvement plan, if that doesn’t work I would be subject to disciplinary process which ultimately could result in dismissal.
With sports science and performance analysis it must be possible to demonstrate lack of performance
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I write contracts for a living. Mine are fairly easy as they are buying stuff and stuff buying has lots of legal precedence. But in the example you've given here you'd be talking about things that are subjective such as effort. If he failed to turn up to training that would be a metric you could measure. But how do you measure effort? How do you tell the difference contractually speaking between a lad who just isn't very good and your scouts messed up and a lad who is for maybe psychological reasons not wanting to try?
His not trying will have cost him a fortune, in that Albion aren't paying various fees and he won't be able to comand much of a contract in the future. Sadly contracts work both ways and in this one we're stitched up by the last Sporting director.
Looking at Zohore's track record, it's difficult to see that he would be on a wage much higher than £20k per week, & a significant portion of that would be performance related.
IMO, if the reports of his transfer fee of around £8 million were correct, that's where we got stitched up.
If we include the fees for Grant & Diangana, we seem to have spent an awful lot of money on transfer fees for average players.
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If I turn up for work but don’t put in any effort, I would be subject to a performance improvement plan, if that doesn’t work I would be subject to disciplinary process which ultimately could result in dismissal.
With sports science and performance analysis it must be possible to demonstrate lack of performance
Exactly
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It is very hard to sack a player as the pfa will fight to the end to stop such a precedent.
Stoke were able to sack berahino because of pattern bad behaviour off the pitch, although because I hate them, I wish they were still paying his rip off salary.
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Looking at Zohore's track record, it's difficult to see that he would be on a wage much higher than £20k per week, & a significant portion of that would be performance related.
IMO, if the reports of his transfer fee of around £8 million were correct, that's where we got stitched up.
If we include the fees for Grant & Diangana, we seem to have spent an awful lot of money on transfer fees for average players.
Cannot prove it but am fairly sure we did not pay £8m for this man, more likely half of that. Thats the good news. His salary is reckoned to be more than £20k per week and it is not performance related.
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his contract is up end of this season, watch for us to pay him off before deadline day in jan
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Dammit, I was hoping we could exchange him for Ronaldinho in new year,
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The sooner he's gone the better. A disgrace of a (non) footballer - Taking the money for zero effort. Ultimately our fault for buying him in the first place, but my god he makes DeFreitas look like a world beater!!
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Dammit, I was hoping we could exchange him for Ronaldinho in new year,
Didn't he retire in 2018?
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Didn't he retire in 2018?
Fairly sure he's in prison!
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Fairly sure he's in prison!
still a cheaper / better option than KZ
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On the score sheet today for the u23s :o
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THE RENAISSANCE BEGINS
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Fairly sure he's in prison!
released after 32 days, might still be under house arrest though.
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Apparently he picked up his own water bottle and placed it in the dishwasher at the end of training earlier this week which has triggered a three year extension to his contract. 😀
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Apparently he picked up his own water bottle and placed it in the dishwasher at the end of training earlier this week which has triggered a three year extension to his contract. 😀
Started for the u23s yesterday, didn't score but he started.
What a drain on the club.
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Started for the u23s yesterday, didn't score but he started.
What a drain on the club.
Some club will be crazy enough to offer him a contract for next season. Unbelievable how money can be thrown at players. He should be finished in the professional game after his time with us but you just know he’ll get another deal somewhere.
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Some club will be crazy enough to offer him a contract for next season. Unbelievable how money can be thrown at players. He should be finished in the professional game after his time with us but you just know he’ll get another deal somewhere.
He probably will but not on anything like what Dowling offered him.
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The last time he was on the bench the Brummie Road clapped him when he warmed up. Absolute shame on every single one of those people. This is a wxxxxx taking the club's money without giving one absolute care.
Our fans, I seriously dislike them at times. Talk about thick.
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The last time he was on the bench the Brummie Road clapped him when he warmed up. Absolute shame on every single one of those people. This is a wxxxxx taking the club's money without giving one absolute care.
Our fans, I seriously dislike them at times. Talk about thick.
I agree, it's not that he's got absolutely no talent but tries (we've had plenty of them) he actually has some talent and decent potential but came here to effectively retire whilst in his prime.
He's still only 28!
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I agree, it's not that he's got absolutely no talent but tries (we've had plenty of them) he actually has some talent and decent potential but came here to effectively retire whilst in his prime.
He's still only 28!
There We Are Then, Kenneth.
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The last time he was on the bench the Brummie Road clapped him when he warmed up. Absolute shame on every single one of those people. This is a wxxxxx taking the club's money without giving one absolute care.
Our fans, I seriously dislike them at times. Talk about thick.
Last time he made the bench for a home fixture was for the draw with Burnley when BTA came on to equalise. Was BTA warming up next to Ken' because that's the only way I can imagine Kenneth getting clapped by anyone apart from around the chops.
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Last time he made the bench for a home fixture was for the draw with Burnley when BTA came on to equalise. Was BTA warming up next to Ken' because that's the only way I can imagine Kenneth getting clapped by anyone apart from around the chops.
Dont care to think about Ken getting the clap, thankyou !
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I heard a small rumour - could be rubbish - that he’s potentially going on loan to Ipswich in January. However, doubt they’ll afford anywhere near his wages, so who knows.
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I heard a small rumour - could be rubbish - that he’s potentially going on loan to Ipswich in January. However, doubt they’ll afford anywhere near his wages, so who knows.
Maybe the sniff of a promotion bonus will swing it.
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I heard a small rumour - could be rubbish - that he’s potentially going on loan to Ipswich in January. However, doubt they’ll afford anywhere near his wages, so who knows.
I guess any money contributed to his wages is money saved?
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From Darren Witcoop
West Brom are in talks to cut short the contract of £8m flop Kenneth Zohore early. Zohore, a free agent in the summer, could return to his native Denmark with clubs showing interest in the striker #WBA
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From Darren Witcoop
West Brom are in talks to cut short the contract of £8m flop Kenneth Zohore early. Zohore, a free agent in the summer, could return to his native Denmark with clubs showing interest in the striker #WBA
Hope so!. Should be ashamed of himself. But he won't be Good riddance.
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I never check the football chants section.
Surely there's a 'Kenneth Zohore, Kenneth Zohore, he'll never score' in there.
We've had some absolute dud fireworks in our time haven't we.
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One of if not the worst piece of transfer business our club has ever done and is one of many contributing factors to where we are today. Im amazed any club anywhere on this planet is remotley interested in picking him up even on a free. I wouldnt trust him to be a general member of club staff picking up minimum wage let alone a multi millionaire footballer. Terrible player good riddance.
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I thought the Ollie Burke transfer was poor but this one is possibly our worst ever.
Shocking and alone should mean Dowling never gets another job!
When we all think we should spend millions on a striker, we should remember BTA and Zohore!
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If Gouchan Lai was a professional footballer he would be manifested in the spirit of Zohore
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Why would any other club have the slightest interest in signing him?
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it is so depressing that someone with that attitude could be rewarded handsomely AGAIN
there are so many deserving folks get nothing, makes my blood boil.
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The fact that any club is willing to sign him also incentivises other lazy buggers to do what he has done, knowing they will get paid for doing f all then pick up another contract at the end of it.
It's astonishing and wouldn't happen in any other walk of life.
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The man has been an absolute disgrace. And although I will be glad to see him gone, I am deeply unhappy that we have to pay him a lump sum to get rid. Unless the cost to pay off is massively in the club's favour I would continue to pay him weekly and deny him the chance to move. This option would also be better for cash flow reasons.
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At last we look like we are ridding ourselves of our version Winston Bogarde,
If we are paying up his contract in full in advance essentially, then I wouldn't do it, unless he is a bad influence in the changing room.
Instead I make him train with the kids and then train some more on his own just running around a training pitch, all in the name of improving his fitness, of course.
By paying it up in full now may stop us getting a cheap loan or 2 in where we have to pay their wages or part of them.
Given the fact we are skint, we may have to pay overdraft fees and big interest rates for the big lump's lump sum to him now, whereas continuing to pay him may be cheaper in the long run as we could use match income (especially the extra PO income if we are successful there) to pay him until the end.
He shouldn't get the full wage to leave now. If refuses a compromise figure then we should make him earn it.
BTW, he is the second worse signing after Burke imo given actual fee we paid upfront was rumoured to be £4m with add ons taking it to £8m. Unless the add ons relied on him being a useless tw?? For 4 years I don't think Cardiff got the other £4m.
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The comparison with BTA says it all. Zohore should be ashamed of himself.
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I don't want to upset anyone but until I see a club announcement and or another club's shirt on his back I won't be getting my hopes up just yet......
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We should have done more to get him out last summer, if not the summer before really. It's been pretty clear there was no real market for us to recover a significant proportion of his wage since his poor showing at Millwall (where we may well have paid in full to try and get him in the shop window anyway).
I'm sure we have floated the question, but clearly not at a high enough percentage.
With the rumored MSG loan at 12%. Paying anything less than 88% of what we owe him would be nice.
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We should have done more to get him out last summer, if not the summer before really. It's been pretty clear there was no real market for us to recover a significant proportion of his wage since his poor showing at Millwall (where we may well have paid in full to try and get him in the shop window anyway).
I'm sure we have floated the question, but clearly not at a high enough percentage.
With the rumored MSG loan at 12%. Paying anything less than 88% of what we owe him would be nice.
Immoveable object as he won't accept a salary cut and nobody else will pay him what he is on with his current contract.
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Immoveable object as he won't accept a salary cut and nobody else will pay him what he is on with his current contract.
We have no idea what he would and wouldn't accept. All we know for certain is he hasn't accepted anything we have offered to date. The rest is conjecture.
I personally believe a deal could have been done though. If we had offered him 95% of the value of his contract in summer 2021, would he have taken it - almost certainly yes. Would he have taken 90%, (you could buy low risk property and have made up more than 10% in two years if it was all about money, get two years of your life back, and work somewhere else).
The question for me is would 70% have been enough, would 80%? We simply don't know. The club may know. They must have an idea of what wasn't enough (assuming we tried something).
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Given the club's precarious financial situation, we should only get rid if it financially stacks up. If he stays on our books, I wonder if we could save money on other staff by employing him with the groundstaff or in the canteen.
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They Shoot Horses, Don't They?
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Given the club's precarious financial situation, we should only get rid if it financially stacks up. If he stays on our books, I wonder if we could save money on other staff by employing him with the groundstaff or in the canteen.
Well if we have to pay him 25k a week for another 25 weeks so at just over 600k and we can get rid for half of that or so then its a no brainer
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Well if we have to pay him 25k a week for another 25 weeks so at just over 600k and we can get rid for half of that or so then its a no brainer
Yes….. If we have the cash. It is often easier to continue with the weekly burden as opposed to paying out large lump sums.
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Pound for pound one of the worst signings this club has ever made.
There was nothing in him previously to justify spending such large sums of money on him.
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Yes….. If we have the cash. It is often easier to continue with the weekly burden as opposed to paying out large lump sums.
There’s no reason the pay off has to be paid in a one off lump sum. It may be possible to phase it over the rest of the season. He gets to effectively keep getting his WBA wages, while picking up an additional wage at another club. One upside for Albion is that ending his contract now means that, in the event of promotion, he won’t get a promotion bonus. All speculation of course.
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Offer as much as 80% of his wages to get him out of the club, otherwise pay him to just do laps, don't even get him touching a football and let him finish him show other prospective clubs he isn't worth a packet of chips when this contract is up
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Offer as much as 80% of his wages to get him out of the club, otherwise pay him to just do laps, don't even get him touching a football and let him finish him show other prospective clubs he isn't worth a packet of chips when this contract is up
Sadly he holds all of the cards in this situation. He has a contract and can simply sit back and take his wage until it expires.
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Absolutely he can, but we can also give him basically no football training and let him stew. In the end he gets his pay until the end of the season, but it won't be looking good for him earning in his next contract at his next club.
It is much better for him if he can get away from the club now and much better for us also
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Let him stay at home and pile a load of weight on, make himself unsignable
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What a real scumbag this guy (cannot call him a player) is.
We have no striker on the bench and this charlatan doesn't even make the bench.
Take a percentage and get out Ken.
Unless he has another excuse of an injury he should be forced to play on Tuesday and Dike needs to be on the bench, as we cannot risk over exerting him.
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What must he be like in training to not even be considered for a cup game against non league opposition and then not selected for the squad today even when we have 1 striker fit.
Personification of Lai's reign of laziness.
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It's this chaps birthday today. 29 years young.
He could still do with 1 more contract somewhere.
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Contract has been termiated
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Wonder how much we’ve paid him!
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a nice birthday handshake then
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Contract has been termiated
Good. I know he's paid off and i sincerely hope no other club touches him with a barge pole. Stealing a living.
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A reasonable argument for our worst ever signing seeing as not only did he contribute nothing, we were also unable to shift him and paid a massive fee for him. Perfect example of our talent recruitment thinking it was far more clever than it was and could see what no one else could see.
To think we could have got Ivan Toney for the money we spent with change to spend that summer. How different our prospects might look now.
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The best news in this transfer window.
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The word 'Professional' cannot be used in the same sentence as Kenneth Zohore.
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Terrible signing. But we have wasted some more finances in the short term
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From OS
Albion have today terminated the contract of Kenneth Zohore by mutual consent.
The 29-year-old striker joined the Baggies from Cardiff City in July 2019 and made 23 appearances for the club, scoring five goals.
The club wishes Kenneth and his family all the very best for the future.
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The best news in this transfer window.
depending on how much its cost us and whether those funds could have been used elsewhere.
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Wonder how much we’ve paid him!
Around £20,000 a week. So perhaps £500,000 pay off
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He's off to OB in Denmark apparently so hopefully they are picking up some of his wages.
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The worst signing in our history.
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Around £20,000 a week. So perhaps £500,000 pay off
It was by mutual consent so it wouldn't of been the full amount or else they would've just terminated it. I imagine it still would of been 6 figures though.
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He's off to OB in Denmark apparently so hopefully they are picking up some of his wages.
We've terminated his contract - he isn't out problem anymore.
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If ever a player characterised the expensive rubbish we’ve stuffed parts of our squad with, this is the man.
We have a few more hanging around like a heavy anchor chain, but he is the worst of the lot.
Some of us can go back to the days of David Mills and John Deehan as expensive disasters - but I can’t think of anyone to match this guy.
One of the biggest things Corberan has managed to do is improve the attitude - at least up to last Saturday. You win nothing in life without the right approach no matter what your ability, and we have quite a few “good players for this level†- but on paper.
Good riddance.
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I'll keep saying it. This bloke is the player equivalent of Lai as owner.
A truly atrocious signing that never made sense in the first place on any level.
Everything about it and the player himself stinks of Lai and his appointments.
Awful awful awful
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We've terminated his contract - he isn't out problem anymore.
There must have been some kind of 'Settlement'. I doubt OB could afford to pay what we were paying him.
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I'll keep saying it. This bloke is the player equivalent of Lai as owner.
A truly atrocious signing that never made sense in the first place on any level.
Everything about it and the players stinks of Lai and his appointments.
Awful awful awful
Brilliant analogy Gaz. The ownership of our club, in player form.
Makes my blood boil what these people - owner and some of these so-called players - have done to us.
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Brilliant analogy Gaz. The ownership of our club, in player form.
Makes my blood boil what these people - owner and some of these so-called players - have done to us.
I've posted on here that I'll be glad to see the back of him but now it's happened I just feel incredibly angry. Your last paragraph sums up how I feel TTree.
I'm absolutely raging and I don't know why.
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The fact he only ever start FIVE games in the time he was here is a disgrace.
Like others have said the people involved in this signing should never be anywhere near football.
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We've terminated his contract - he isn't out problem anymore.
Hope we didn't pay him off, dare him to sue us
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Praise Jeebus
Worst signing in a long, long, time
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I don’t think the players should be let off the hook.
If they really are good players there is no excuse for the shocking results they’ve turned in until pretty recently, whoever the coach is. Corberan has done well to change the mentality - the win at Luton was a superb example - but I wouldn’t trust them to keep it up. They have form and more than a few like to hide behind someone else.
I’ve always loved my team but that’s why I so dislike this squad of players - in general terms. Most of them have been relegated with barely a whimper, finished halfway down the league last season (our worst in 20 years) and had us rock bottom this year. As it stands we’re still only just above halfway.
In a way the recent results make me even more annoyed.
The attitude of too many has stunk to high heaven when it’s suited them. I’d always sooner have a player with heart than a Prima Donna. A number of ours have now seen off a string of coaches - I wonder why.
Zohore has stunk the place out more than anyone else. I hope Corberan has the chance to show a few more the door and reshape this squad with players who have the right attitude as well as talent.
There is a lot wrong with our club, most of it at executive level. But some of our players make me furious - and Zohore most of all.
They owe us a lot. And he is a total disgrace.
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Praise Jeebus
Worst signing in a long, long, time
Worst ever I think Tom. Can’t remember anyone to compare, pound for pound, in the last 50 years.
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I don’t think the players should be let off the hook.
If they really are good players there is no excuse for the shocking results they’ve turned in until pretty recently, whoever the coach is. Corberan has done well to change the mentality - the win at Luton was a superb example - but I wouldn’t trust them to keep it up. They have form and more than a few like to hide behind someone else.
I’ve always loved my team but that’s why I so dislike this squad of players - in general terms. Most of them have been relegated with barely a whimper, finished halfway down the league last season (our worst in 20 years) and had us rock bottom this year. As it stands we’re still only just above halfway.
In a way the recent results make me even more annoyed.
The attitude of too many has stunk to high heaven when it’s suited them. I’d always sooner have a player with heart than a Prima Donna. A number of ours have now seen off a string of coaches - I wonder why.
Zohore has stunk the place out more than anyone else. I hope Corberan has the chance to show a few more the door and reshape this squad with players who have the right attitude as well as talent.
There is a lot wrong with our club, most of it at executive level. But some of our players make me furious - and Zohore most of all.
They owe us a lot. And he is a total disgrace.
He's only a disgrace because of his alleged transfer fee & wages, not sure anybody would be that bothered otherwise.
IMO, Zohore's only the effect, it's the bloke who signed him that's the cause.
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Will be remembered in the same breath as Paul Williams and Ollie Burke as some of the worst signings of our history I imagine.............
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He's only a disgrace because of his alleged transfer fee & wages, not sure anybody would be that bothered otherwise.
IMO, Zohore's only the effect, it's the bloke who signed him that's the cause.
I know what you mean John. I can’t disagree really.
But I still think people like Zohore get an easy ride. Where is his professional pride? Where is his love of the game - I assume he loved playing once upon a time? Where is his team spirit or sense of responsibility?
We shouldn’t touch players like that with a barge pole.
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Staying positive it's a other one shifted from the Bilic/Dowling transfer of terror axis.
Normally I'd say this garbage would never be allowed to happen again but under Lai all things are possible
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I know what you mean John. I can’t disagree really.
But I still think people like Zohore get an easy ride. Where is his professional pride? Where is his love of the game - I assume he loved playing once upon a time? Where is his team spirit or sense of responsibility?
We shouldn’t touch players like that with a barge pole.
And we probably wouldn't have if the bloke who was paid good money to do the research had.
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Zohore and a few others show me that character is just as important as skill if not more so no good having skill with a heart the size of a pea .
I see Paul Williams has been mentioned but he tried Zohore probably has 10X the ability Williams had which makes him 10X a bigger failure, bottom line sign players who want to play above anything else, not ones happy to be bench warmers and pick up their fat paychecks.
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Zohore and a few others show me that character is just as important as skill if not more so no good having skill with a heart the size of a pea .
I see Paul Williams has been mentioned but he tried Zohore probably has 10X the ability Williams had which makes him 10X a bigger failure, bottom line sign players who want to play above anything else, not ones happy to be bench warmers and pick up their fat paychecks.
Totally agree. I don’t think Conor Townsend’s got much talent, but I have more time for him than some of the others because I really think he tries.
Gary Megson booted out the Fabian deFreitas types who didn’t even know what time kick off was and brought in attitude. It lifted the club up by its bootstraps.
Character matters. And hopefully we can combine that with talent and then we have a chance of getting a team to be proud of again.
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We need players with character and ability. You could, dare I say, find 11 players from the West Midlands Regional League who'd all bust a gut for the cause. Doesn't mean to say they'd achieve much success.
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Totally agree. I don’t think Conor Townsend’s got much talent, but I have more time for him than some of the others because I really think he tries.
Gary Megson booted out the Fabian deFreitas types who didn’t even know what time kick off was and brought in attitude. It lifted the club up by its bootstraps.
Character matters. And hopefully we can combine that with talent and then we have a chance of getting a team to be proud of again.
Spot on with Megsons team littered with natural leaders they would have sorted the likes of Zohore out in the dressing room.Maybe we should make Meggers in charge of recruitment.
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We need players with character and ability. You could, dare I say, find 11 players from the West Midlands Regional League who'd all bust a gut for the cause. Doesn't mean to say they'd achieve much success.
Absolutely. One is no good without the other. I think we’ve had quite a few with supposed ability but limited character; and we have some with more limited ability who try. I have more time for the latter type.
But we definitely need both talent and character to be successful.
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Signed for Odense in the Danish top flight until the end of the season.
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Signed for Odense in the Danish top flight until the end of the season.
Hope they’ve an extension on the treatment room !
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Signed for Odense in the Danish top flight until the end of the season.
Good luck to them. I cannot fathom why anyone would take a punt on a player who has sat on the bench for three years
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Good luck to them. I cannot fathom why anyone would take a punt on a player who has sat on the bench for three years
I’m guessing they probably won’t have to pay him a fat lot as we have paid him plenty of the years and, no doubt, a nice golden handshake just to get him out the door. Utter disgrace of a footballer
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Good riddance- waster !
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So he’s playing in blue and white stripes, and the shirt sponsor is 'Albani'. What could possibly go wrong?😁
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Oh dear. Sprained his wrist signing the contract with Odense.
Out for 6 months apparently.
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Farewell fraud
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Pound for pound one of the worst signings this club has ever made.
There was nothing in him previously to justify spending such large sums of money on him.
And yet their are people on social media wishing him the best for the future…I hope every day for the rest of his life he makes a cuppa in the morning and keeps forgetting to buy milk…lazy git
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I think he has connections to Odense, maybe played there. Knows people there.
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This is what he's said tonight
"I am really happy that I can come home and play again. I know the place and I know people in the club," Zohore told OB's official website. "I had a really good period the last time I was here, so I have good memories from there. I had a really good time in OB, and Steffen Nielsen has been really good to me, so he is also very important to me now going back to Odense.
"Since the last time I was in OB, I have gotten older, and I myself think that I have improved, so I hope that I can help win football matches, play and score some goals. It will be fun to see the fans again. They were really nice to me last time, and there are also some who have written to me over the past few years that I should come home to Odense, so it's great that it's now working."
Wish you'd gone home years ago pal.
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Muppet. If we all stop posting on this thread it will soon be out of sight, like him.
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This isn’t going to be popular, but well done that man. He got involved in an industry abroad that is awash with money, did very little, and can now brag to his mates back in Odense that he earned more, and paid less in taxes then any of them. More fool us as a club and business. That’s football!!
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We need players with character and ability. You could, dare I say, find 11 players from the West Midlands Regional League who'd all bust a gut for the cause. Doesn't mean to say they'd achieve much success.
As I watch that most weekends you would. I think Darlo's squad would love to play in the EFL even National League Weather Manager or them Darlo doing well in Midland Premier Divison where in 2nd but fell behind as games got called off. They also thank the fans and are nice blokes. Obviously though give them EFL money and they may not do the miles they do at the level as they will be making a killing and quit there jobs. That's what money does however maybe Like BTA lower league players will take the opportunity and run with it to prove something
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The name of our employee who suggested to Dowling or Bilic that we sign him was who exactly ? I wonder if he is still at the club ?
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The name of our employee who suggested to Dowling or Bilic that we sign him was who exactly ? I wonder if he is still at the club ?
Kenny was a Dowling special
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Wasn't this guy wearing Number 9 the number or true Albion Greats, ie The King, Cyrille, Pretty sure Bomber wore Number 9, Super Bob and more. People who bled Blue and White. We signed him a year after Cyrille died he took Number 9 and he did nothing wearing it what a disgrace the fact he wore number 9 makes me sick. Goodbye Ken close the door on your way out and good riddance are I don't like slating players but did he nothing. 3rd worse signing under Lai. Burke, Zohore and someone Lai signed himself who couldn't play over Work Permit issues so technically not his fault but Zhang Yuning wasn't Gregorz Krychiowak also loaned under Lai he was useless to.
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The mad world of football where a player does nothing for years but still finds another club more stupid than ours.
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The mad world of football where a player does nothing for years but still finds another club more stupid than ours.
He had his world given to him. He’s going back to finish his short career back home. He’s played the perfect footballer ace card. On his birthday as well. That’s football!!
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The definition of 'work smarter, not harder'.
Saw a mug in Dowling and rode him to retirement
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Thank goodness this sage is over!!
Never been more happy to see a player leave the club
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This isn’t going to be popular, but well done that man. He got involved in an industry abroad that is awash with money, did very little, and can now brag to his mates back in Odense that he earned more, and paid less in taxes then any of them. More fool us as a club and business. That’s football!!
I'm sure there are some used car dealers and insurance salesmen who use the same type of logic when chatting to their mates. Doesn't make them people to be admired.
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Seeing his name appear in the accounts thread got me to wondering where he was now?
As far as I can see he is without a club which would seem to say an awful lot!
COYB