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3 Match test series:
6-10 March 1st Test, Dunedin
14-18 March 2nd Test, Wellington
22-26 March 3rd Test, Auckland
Been looking forward to this. Expecting us to win all three tests to be honest. We've just beaten them in the Twenty20 and One Day series and I struggle to see them taking twenty wickets to be honest unless they make their pitches with plenty of swing which will then play right into our hands.
First warm up match was today. England ended up making 357-7 with Ian Bell on 127 not out. Joe Root also featured and I would certainly look to giving him a place in the side for the three tests. He's been very impressive of late. Nick Compton also opened the batting and made 21.
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Also, is this the most beautiful place to play Cricket?
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I love Cricket.I will be hoping to go to Australia for the ashes
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I expect us to win this series. I have been impressed so far with Root in the ODIs, he also made a great knock in the last test against India. Compton was steady and made some good starts. If New Zealand were to make the wickets swing a lot that would benefit us with Jimmy Anderson.
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First test starts tonight on Sky Sports 1.
Programme starts at 8. The game starts at half 9.
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Also, is this the most beautiful place to play Cricket?
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Isn't it just like West Bromwich Dartmouth Cricket Club ;D
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New Zealand are a poor test team and we should smash them. Whether we do or not is another question, though.
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Shame we had no play Yesterday, gopwfully we will have some later on tonight.
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First test starts tonight on Sky Sports 1.
Programme starts at 8. The game starts at half 9.
Thats an outrageous time to watch cricket :D
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Thats an outrageous time to watch cricket :D
Nobody watched any in the end :D
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Finished a draw England batting well in the second inngings both Cook and Compton making centuries. Trott made 50 and so did Steve Finn.
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Big well done to Steven Finn who batted brilliantly for a Night Watchman, the 2nd longest Night Watchman innings in England's history, the first being Jack Russell (not the dog who posts on here!). We didn't take to the conditions at all, I think the first day's play being a no-show did it but as a top test side we should rise above that. I think the second test should be interesting and hopefully we'll get a full 5 day's play.
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It says something about the state of the pitch that Steven Finn can go out there and knock a half century, he looked like a rabbit in the headlights but did very well to stifle the days play. It was embarrassing that we can be bowled out for 167 on that pitch but that isn't the first time England have acted sloppily during the first test - as mentioned previously, it's becoming a trend and one Flower will need to eradicate.
Delighted we saved the test but that was a terrible pitch and hopefully the pitch in Wellington proves to be a bit more of a contest between bat and ball.
Also a mention to Nick Compton who very much deserved his maiden test century given the pressure which has been based upon him, hopefully this wasn't a one off and he can replicate that innings throughout the remainder of the series.
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Quite enjoying the time its on tbh. Watch half the day then straight to sleep!
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In other news, the Australians have dropped four of their players for the third test for breaches of team discipline.
If I heard correctly, I'm pretty sure Steven Finn has scored more runs than Shane Watson in 2013. :D
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It says something about the state of the pitch that Steven Finn can go out there and knock a half century, he looked like a rabbit in the headlights but did very well to stifle the days play. It was embarrassing that we can be bowled out for 167 on that pitch but that isn't the first time England have acted sloppily during the first test - as mentioned previously, it's becoming a trend and one Flower will need to eradicate.
Delighted we saved the test but that was a terrible pitch and hopefully the pitch in Wellington proves to be a bit more of a contest between bat and ball.
Also a mention to Nick Compton who very much deserved his maiden test century given the pressure which has been based upon him, hopefully this wasn't a one off and he can replicate that innings throughout the remainder of the series.
I think Compton does have a lot of pressure on his place as we already have an opener in Joe Root, who for me is looking like he could be a top player. I think Compton is a good test player though and has a good technique and the mental capacity for Test Cricket. I like the fact that the management are looking to bring in players who have had good county seasons, because at the end of the day, all you can do is play against the teams you're playing and if you do well then that's all anyone can ask.
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Second test starts tonight. Really hope we make a much stronger start to it. Come on England.
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There's a drought in Wellington. No rain for six weeks. God they're picky :D
New Zealand won the toss and decided to field.
Captain Cook went early to a poor shot.
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Compton and Trott both made centuries. England are in a excellent position. Hopefully the middle order can make some big scores and get us to 500.
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Delighted for Nick Compton. Suddenly looks the part but it shall be interesting to see him against better attacks to see how he copes then. The New Zealand bowling attack are average to be honest on a pitch which appears batsman friendly.
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An excellent day for England KP and Prior both making good scores, also Steve Finn making 24. Really good end to the day getting New Zealand three down.
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Compton and Trott both made centuries. England are in a excellent position. Hopefully the middle order can make some big scores and get us to 500.
both South Africans :D
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The top three already has four centuries between them in this series.
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both South Africans :D
KP as well :D
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Excellent day for England eight wickets for us. Broad bowled really well. Hopefully we can get one or two early wickets in the morning and really apply the pressure on them
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A bit of a damp squib in the end then
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The weather ruined any hopes of us winning that test match but I do feel it was always going to be a struggle to take the remaining eight wickets.
I expect a similar sort of pitch to the one in Dunedin and Wellington at Auckland where New Zealand can scrape through to earn themselves a creditable 0-0 draw from the series.
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Final test tonight. Big blow that KP is out however I still feel we can win this one.
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Looks lie the groundsman has money on the draw again ::)
Waste of time staying up to watch this I could bat on it!
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Yet another pitch which is not a fair contest for bat and ball. New Zealand will probably post a mammoth score and no doubt we shall do the same in our innings.
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Looks like New Zealand are going to win the series 1-0. They need six wickets to win the final test match and in honesty, I really do not see England batting the whole day tomorrow. We have been outclassed in the field, outclassed with the bat and outclassed with the ball. The first day with the ball wasn't good enough and also, our first innings with the bat was pretty rubbish too. The partnership from Fulton and McCullum last night took the game well behind us with us needing around 480 to win the test.
England however have brought this situation on themselves. Regardless of the way their dismissals have come about, the tactics have also been quite baffling. Joe Root and Matt Prior on Saturday evening seemed to content just to block and block and that theme of blocking has also re-occurred in our second innings. It is important whilst trying to save a test match that you play your normal game and we haven't done that. We've given away cheap wickets due to the pressure we've placed upon ourselves because of our failure to score. The boundary is sixty yards and we're struggling to score runs. Without being disrespectful to New Zealand who have been energetic, determined and played some quality cricket, we have made their bowling attack look very good on a pitch which is still very friendly for the batsman. If we had any chance of saving the test match and drawing the series then it was important that Alastair Cook and/or Jonathan Trott were at the crease tomorrow morning but unfortunately both have given away their wickets with Trott playing a quite ridiculous shot.
I've watched England religiously throughout the last few years and I don't think I've seen a test match where we've been completely outclassed in all departments. New Zealand very much deserve their victory and England have a lot of thinking to do - There is no way we shall save this test match.
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I always believe that we can save this game, I have been pretty dissapointed with our performances in the series overall.
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Shocking tour all-around. The players lacked the intensity that should accompany international cricket and I'd go as far to question their effort levels. Pathetic.
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Shocking tour all-around. The players lacked the intensity that should accompany international cricket and I'd go as far to question their effort levels. Pathetic.
Agree.
I think we've massively under estimated New Zealand and in return they are going to win the series.
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Complacency I think and focusing too much on the Ashes. Losing Swann and Pieterson hasnt helped but we overall I dont think we deserve anything out of the series.
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Well, what a final day that was.
How on earth did we manage to save that? Terrific from Matt Prior to not only take so much time out the game but to play a quite beautiful innings combined with numerous pieces of good fortune as well as his ability to help guide both Stuart Broad and Monty Panesar through their innings. Showed real maturity and showed why he is the best wicket keeper batsman in the world.
Very good knocks from Ian Bell and Stuart Broad who despite scoring only six runs did very well to take the time out of the game and successfully eat up deliveries. That's what I love test cricket, the day had everything, fielding brilliance, superb bowling, great batting, dropped catches, over-turned umpiring, missed runs outs and a great atmosphere.
Superb way to the end the series, just a shame we weren't good enough to win a test and hopefully our great escape doesn't over shadow that.
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What an advert for test cricket. Incredible. England seem to have a habit of being able to save matches from pretty perilous positions and this was up there at the top; especially with some of the wickets they lost at very important times.
Absolute heartache for NZ though. Should of declared half an hour earlier than they did. Think if they had 160 plus overs and 3 new balls we would of been doomed.
Look forward to seeing them in England next month - they're quite an exciting attacking unit and as bad as England have been I've been very impressed with the way they have asserted themselves this series.
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A really busy summer for us with the Ashes, the ICC and also this series with New Zealand. We have not made a great start for us however Root and Bairstow have been looking good today. It will be intresting to see which batsmen gets picked for the Ashes as it looks like it will be one of Root and Bairstow. Credit to New Zealand a team with limited experiance in the side have done very well against us. Hopefully Finn and Anderson can give as much support to Bairstow and we can get a total of 250.
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The test match is now left evenly poised. England looked in a commanding position with Trott and the impressive Joe Root going along nicely. Unfortunately, after his dismissal England have started to collapse which for the neutral will provide superb entertainment over the next day or two. Hoping Ian Bell can recover from his flu and that he and one of Swann or Broad (preferably both) can support him in scoring runs as I don't anticipate Finn or Anderson troubling the score board much.
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We have had a very good two and half sessions today. Root was very good today and he also played nicely in the first innings too, still early days for him but the signs are good. Trott also again looking very good. With a lead of just over 200 hopefully Bell can make some runs Finn can frustrate the New Zealand bowlers. Broad and Swann to make some decent scores hopefully get 50 60 runs between them which will hopefully take us too a 300 lead. The pitch is taking more spin now which will be good for Swann, both Anderson and Finn bowled well in the first innings so they have some form now.
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Promising thing about Root is not only the way he's reacted to international cricket, he looks firmly on the stage but also the fact he's in impressive form in the county championship having scored three centuries already scoring in excess of 600 runs averaging around 161. A mate of mine from a Sheffield Wednesday forum had the pleasure of seeing him in action and was thoroughly impressed. Hopefully he can take his form in the county championship and replicate it on the big stage. Given what I've seen so far, he has a promising future at this level.
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Joe Root has made a great start this season three big hundreds already and nearly 120 runs in this test match.
What a fantastic bowler Jimmy Anderson is 303 wickets now he has been the leader of the bowling attack for a good few years now and his in only thirty years of age so he still has another good three of four years left in him.
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Its great to see Root come through his emergence is reminiscent of when Alistair Cook broke into the Test team, if he goes on to get anywhere near Cooks record then he will have done well.
Theres alot of good players coming through and we need to blood them in to not become stale like Australia did once the older players retired. Our next big job is to find replacements for Anderson, Swann and more importantly an all rounder in the mould of Big Fred.
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Its great to see Root come through his emergence is reminiscent of when Alistair Cook broke into the Test team, if he goes on to get anywhere near Cooks record then he will have done well.
Theres alot of good players coming through and we need to blood them in to not become stale like Australia did once the older players retired. Our next big job is to find replacements for Anderson, Swann and more importantly an all rounder in the mould of Big Fred.
Replacement for Flintoff, will hopefully be Broad one day although his batting hasn't been that good of late. Interesting to see who will come in when Swann retires will they turn to Panaser, I like the look of Briggs at Hampshire.
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Freddie Flintoff still hasn't been replaced really. That position has always been one up for grabs, despite attempts by Eoin Morgan, Ravi Bopara and Jonny Bairstow to fill it. I guess the next one to have a real attempt shall be Chris Woakes.
Great point Gaz about not becoming stale. Eventually Kevin Pieterson and Jonathan Trott shall slowly need to be replaced as both are growing in age.
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The next year or so for Woakes is a big point in his career internationally hes now 24 with a first class average of nearly 40 with the bat and the mid twenties with the ball, if the selectors keep overlooking him he could come into Test Cricket far too late.
The problem I see with the bowling department is one the Aussies had with regards to the fact that they just stuck with those established and taking wickets instead of blooding others in.
Australia never looked to blood replacements for Warne and McGrath and just hoped that enough talent would be around when they retired, its this I do not want England to do.
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Australia are having similar problems in the batting department too. Not good enough apart from Michael Clarke who more or less carried them throughout their tour of India. Granted India are difficult conditions, I expect them to come unstuck in England too. I don't think their bowling line up is that bad to be honest, they have enough to cause us problems, however they are woefully short in the spin department. How many spinners have they tried now since Warne left? None have been good enough to cement down a position.
We've got a good group of bowlers currently with the Lions who are looking to improve their game. Chris Woakes, Stuart Meaker, Boyd Rankin and one or two others who I'm sure will compliment Steven Finn and Stuart Broad in a few years time when James Anderson starts to call it a day.
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Cook 28
Compton 29
Trott 32
Bell 31
Root 22
Bairstow 23
Prior 31
Broad 26
Swann 34
Finn 24
Anderson 30
Hopefully not all of those players who are about thirty will retire all at once like what some of that great Australian team did. Woakes is a very good batsmen, maybe Rashid may come back into the frame he has scored two centuries in county cricket so far this season.
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Swann's the only one properly approaching retiring territory, he'll probably retire after the 2015 world cup if injuries don't hinder him, its not like with the legendary teams anyway where the players in the team were so much better than everyone else in the country, so that shouldn't really stop anyone getting chances. Anderson and Swann are the ones to really be concerned about, Anderson is the only bowler we have who consistently takes top order wickets, and there's not even real competition for Swann, albeit a few promising young spinners coming through.
Can't see Woakes getting much of a chance beyond now either, he definitely won't be risked in the ashes so that's 2013 written off for him. This would have been the perfect time to blood him what with Broad being awful at both batting and bowling, but then it seems only Bresnan, who's failed to impress for England for some time now, is ever considered as an alternative.
Of more immediate concern anyway is our seeming inability to bat without a terrible collapse every single innings. It's amazing anyone below Trott in the order ever averages over 30 because its literally every single game at the moment. Rarely is it due to good bowling either. Yesterday being the prime example of there being no pressure at all, on a respectable score, and suddenly they're going to struggle to avoid defeat.
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Trott is very consistent and dependable for us, with 24 scores of 50+ in just 42 test matches. Broads and Swann's batting haven't been that great lately they need to get us some runs today hopefully. The wicket is taking a lot of spin and it will be good for Swann but 270 is what we need.
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This is turning into a very good game - England got them 16-3 at the moment with all three wickets to Stuart Broad.
I just hope we can get it finished before this afternoon's kick off.
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I felt that New Zealand were slight favorites at the start of this innings but Broad has bowled very well and has put England in control. This game has swayed from side to side would love us to get another one before lunch.
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25-5, surely all over for NZ now.
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26-6 at lunch, and a Michelle for Broadie! Should be over in time for the Albion game and a bit of dinner before hand too. Happy days.
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Amazing bowling from Broad I'm not always convinced by him but runs and five wickets today and he is now closing in on 200 Test wickets.
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7 for 44 for Broad and a win in a canter. Now I can concentrate on the footie.
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What a performance from England. Broad was exceptional today bowled extremely well. Anderson also bowled very well too, and in the first innings Finn bowled very well too. Root and Trott batted well Yesterday and Broad added some very important runs at the time. Looking forward to the next test now on Friday New Zealand do have some decent players Tim Southee bowled very well.
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Second and final test starts tomorrow:
Expecting England to remain an unchanged side. The only debatable call is whether you go with Tim Bresnan over Steven Finn. Joe Root is playing at his home ground.
For New Zealand. BJ Watling and Bruce Martin are out with injury so as expected, Martin Guptill and Daniel Vettori will return to the side with Brendon McCullum behind the stumps.
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England v Australia coming up.Best team sport competition going
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Just 48 days to go now until the Ashes, although still one test and small ODI series and the Champions Trophy before all of that. I dont think we will make any change as all of the seamers picked up wickets. I really hope Root and Bairstow can perform well and I think Compton needs to make a score in this Test match. I expect us to win 2-0, simply down to our bowling attack been considerably better than there's.
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Great to see that we have finally have some play, and the weather looks good for the whole of the day. However Compton only making one today, playing at a wide ball. Despite those two centuries that he made, I'm not to convinced by him yet. Really hope Cook and Trott can go on a make a big partnership.
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England enter lunch at 67-3. Two wickets in the over prior to Lunch.
Joe Root given a standing ovation on the way to the crease - England need a big innings from him.
Today is made for both Root and Bairstow.
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A good partnership ended by Williamson as Root and Bell were looking good. Root on 43 not out now really looking the part and looking like he belongs in test Cricket. Really hope Bairstow makes some runs.
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If Joe Root is going to make his first test century then it would be fitting that it happens at Headingley.
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England going very well at the minute, Bairstow is looking good too. I really hope Root can make his maiden century and Bairstow can make a big score too.
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And Joe Root scores his maiden test century in-front of his home faithful.
Superb innings. A young man showing great maturity.
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We had our first one day international against New Zealand yesterday and lost by five wickets. Incredibly disappointing performance with the bat, we were at least 40-60 runs short of a competitive total and New Zealand cruised to the finish line. Positives were that James Anderson, Graeme Swann and Tim Bresnan bowled very well giving the small total they were defending.
The second ODI is on Sunday.
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Not good enough
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Love the International game.
Off to Edgebaston next Sat for Us v Aussies in ICC
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I was very happy with the way we played in the second Test Match. We really have a great bowling unit as Anderson and Broad got a lot of wickets at Lords and then Swann gets ten wickets at Leeds. It was Disappointing that we lost the first ODI I felt we need another 50 odd runs, and Dernbach and Woakes do need to improve.
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Not a great performance yesterday, Trott batted very well and the the other batsmen got starts again but failed to kick on. Hopefully we can win the final ODI on Wedensday at Trent Bridge.
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I really hope we beat the Aussies today. Having no Clarke for Australia is a big blow for them and for them been bowled out for 65 may have some advantage towards us. I thought that we played really well the other night Buttler and Morgan looked really good, Bell has found some form. Tredwell bowled really well. The wicket at Edgbaston is very dry today so I would like to see both Swann and Tredwell in the side today.
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Really can't wait for the Ashes - the Aussies were awful.
If this is what the summer is going to be like then bring it on. The Australian batting line up lacks any type of leadership, direction and authority without Michael Clarke.
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Just grabbed myself some tickets for Worcestershire v The Aussies at New Road next month...
Err ON THE LASH
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Bell batted really well again yesterday. With the bowlers that we have i really think we have a great chance of winning the ICC. My only concern is the top three are very sedate, Jos Buttler who has only had one really decent innings for us so far, still is unproven. Also Morgan didn't make that many runs Yesterday either.
The Aussies batting doesnt look that good. They bowled ok Yesterday. Test Match Cricket is very different to ODI but from what I have seen of the Aussies they don't possess any fear.
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England qualified to the semi-finals after beating New Zealand yesterday in a rain-affected match. We made 169 and in truth, New Zealand never looked like getting there due to a superb bowling/fielding performance until the late Anderson/Williamson cameo.
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I didnt think that 170 would be enough, however some great bowling from the seamers in the opening overs really put the pressure on New Zealand. Cook batted very well and Joe Root contributed well again with the bat. I really think with our bowling attack and some very good batting performances that we can get into the final.
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Excellent Cricket again from England today James Anderson has been great once again has as James Tredwell who has been a great back up for Swann. Finn and Broad have also done well aagin today. We need these last two wickets as a Partnership is getting formed by South Africa.
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England are in the final now. Good knock from Trott. He gets a lot of stick but he's always reliable. 82 off 84 balls is not exactly a slow innings either...
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Complete performance from England today bowling was excellent Jimmy Anderson and James Tredwell in particular. Batting was good again Root is getting better and better and looks like he is going to make a hell of a lot of runs for England. Jonathan Trott is Mr consistent for England another great knock today. I dont think it makes much difference who we get in the final as both India and Sri Lanka are both very good sides.
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Can't fault them - ridiculous that we're in the final when it looked quite impossible some days ago, still, that's the beauty of sport.
I can understand the criticisms of Jonathan Trott but there's no doubting he's being reliable for us over the past few years. It seems when he does score then his strike rate does improve but I guess it's just him "getting going" but his record is faultless.
I missed the majority of our bowling as I was out but from what I've seen on the highlights James Anderson was once again superb.
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Anybody on here going to the final at Edgbaston
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Looking forward to the final tomorrow, really fancy England to win it, funny how things can quickly change as least week I didn't fancy us at all to go on to semi finals. With the Ashes still to come it has already been a pretty successful summer for England making light work of New Zealand and getting to the final of the ICC. Looking at Jimmy Anderson stats in this tournament they are expectational averaging below fifteen runs, he really is a top class bowler.
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wish id taken 11/4 on India ???
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wish id taken 11/4 on India ???
India win by 5 runs! England threw it away.
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Another England batting collapse - a collapse which betters any of our previous attempts. We got ourselves into a position with Eoin Morgan and Ravi Bopara where the game was only inches away from being won after managing to cut the deficit but unsurprisingly, more wickets at the inappropriate times took away any momentum we created and left with the tail-enders needing to slog for their lives. We did very well to restrict India to a moderately low score and I'm disappointed that we've once again bottled the final occasion - such a shame that the weather affected what had the makings of a potentially great final.
Well done to India who were very good throughout the tournament. Particularly in unearthing Dhawan who looks to have an increasingly positive future in all forms of the game and he is supported by the likes of Kohli, Raina and Jadeja who also continue to impress meaning they have an incredibly bright future in the short forms of the game.
For England, Jos Buttler despite being very young has question marks over his head, no doubting his ability but one score for every five leaves England in a difficult position but I guess he has time to improve. On the positive side of things, Jonathan Trott has responded to his critics by excelling and leading the batting attack whilst James Tredwell has also proved to be very effective at this level and proved to be an able deputy for Graeme Swann.
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Buttler can't really bat, he can swing it and occassionally with the power he gets on it, even his edges are often enough to fly for boundaries and he can play some nice shots on occasion - but his shot choice looks increasingly suspect, but he looks well and truly found out at international level. Batting isn't just about getting boundaries, its about judging the situation and playing appropriate shots. Till he learns to play in more than one mode then he's a liability, he's cost England a tournament in part today, he's not ready for it. His average is 11.6 after 11 innings now which is appaling, one good innings in eleven. All we needed to do on that penultimate over even with wickets lost the previous one was play sensibly and ease the total down, there was no need to go swinging like he did on his first ball, no need at all. Of course Bresnan for some reason deciding to take a single then confirmed the loss, being pretty much as bad a run out as you can get - which was particularly galling as 15 off 7 balls or whatever it was if he'd stayed in with Bresnan and Broad was gettable, expecting Tredwell to get boundaries wasn't.
Prior should be given another chance really, he's been poor at one day level so far but even his poor performances are far better than Buttler, whilst Kieswetter was really struggling as well before he got dropped although he's a far better limited overs average than Prior. Maybe call up Davies and give him a chance.
Likewise how does Bresnan keep getting in the team? Consistently the worst bowler every match he plays, he's not great with the bat, he's ok but that's it, and he doesn't really take wickets either. Woakes got slated and dropped for the exact same performances as Bresnan in the New Zealand matches, yet Bresnan gets picked even after England's dominant win over South Africa!? His 4 overthrows also ultimately ended up being very costly.
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Like with most other England teams when it mattered, bottled it
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I would suggest Bell being given out when he clearly wasn't at such a crucial stage was the factor in our defeat, if he stays and builds with Trott we win?
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I was really disappointed that we lost Yesterday really felt as the way we bowled and the Morgan and Bopara partnership would have been enough to take us through. The Bell wicket I think shouldn't have been given as I didn't really see enough to convince me that Ian Bell should have been given out. There are a lot of positives however. The form of Boapara as he looks a different player, Tredwell has been an excellent replacement for Swann. Root has looked impressive and the top three look pretty solid too.
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Dan makes some good points.
The wicket keeping has always been a problem for England recently. They like to ear mark someone and then hope to improve them to a position where they can take the role full-time. It was tried with Matt Prior, however, he too failed to score the runs which was required from coaching staff. It is also very well being able to exploit fields in test cricket but the shortened formats are totally different - in addition, since his removal from the one day side, it has seen Prior improve both his wicket keeping abilities and batting. England are keen to promote youth, especially with Prior, Read and Foster aging in the county formats and after Kieswetter's disappointments, Jos Buttler is next in line, but it appears he is just as bad, shot selection currently not his greatest asset and is in need for a lot of work - I guess the next option shall be Bairstow.
As for Tim Bresnan, I like him personally as a bowler and think we have much worse. Chris Woakes and Jade Dernbach both took an absolute pasting in the warm ups with New Zealand. Don't think Dernback has been helped with the changes in the regulations and Woakes looked incredibly ordinary. He's able to get the ball to reverse swing and is capable of taking wickets at important occasions. I thought he bowled very well in the warms up and had a fairly decent tournament - nothing brilliant but nothing poor either. His batting seems to have regressed slightly which is partly one of the reasons why he is favoured, because he adds depth to the batting line up. Personally, I'm an advocate of Steven Finn but even he hasn't been setting the world alight lately.
The over throw was a collection of mistakes to be honest and it's unfair to single Bresnan out. He did very well to gain hold of the ball and get the throw into Buttler who could only tap it behind the realms of Eoin Morgan who made a quite frankly embarrassing attempt at trying to halt the ball from going for four.
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Nick Compton has been left out of the England squad for the first Ashes Test match. The start he made was indifferent two very good centuries but disappointing against New Zealand and with both Root and Bairstow making runs then it was going to be hard for him to be picked.
Cant wait for Wednesday now, the Aussies will cause us some problems but overall we will have enough.
Come on England.
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Interesting first day today. Tomorrows morning session is going to be crucial.
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A very interesting days plays Yesterday, Peter Siddle bowled extremely well. A number of England players getting starts then not kicking on. However Anderson bowled one of the best balls in his career to get rid of Clarke Finn bowled really well too. The game is very much in the balance, hopefully we can get a n early wicket this morning and try and get some form of a lead and then just bat, run them ragged get a big lead and with the amount of cracks in the wicket later on in the game then hopefully Swann will get a lot of success.
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We have let them off the hook massively this morning. After such a good start we let Agar (never a number 11) and Hughes strike up a really good partnership and let them take the lead.
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We have let them off the hook massively this morning. After such a good start we let Agar (never a number 11) and Hughes strike up a really good partnership and let them take the lead.
Agar should have been given out on just 6, Finn's bowling has been amateur at best so far! Fair play to Agar though took full advantage and I agree he is no no.11
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Agar should have been given out on just 6, Finn's bowling has been amateur at best so far! Fair play to Agar though took full advantage and I agree he is no no.11
Bet he doesn't bowl No11 in the next game
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Been an intriguing days play so far. The momentum swung (literally) in England's favour. James Anderson started performing wonders with the new ball leaving us in a very strong position. Phil Hughes has improved a lot over the past couple of years and his partnership with a rookie in Ashton Algar may be remembered for a while if Australia were to win this test match. A thoroughly impressive innings which certainly merited a ton - despite some wayward bowling from ourselves.
Hopefully we can cut down their lead and bat for just under two days putting us in a commanding position - it looks friendly for batsman.
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England bottle it once again, facing down to a defeat when they should have had a comfortable lead. Regardless of Agar batting well it was the most ineffective and lazy bowling you'll see, they clearly thought the job had been done.
And once again the batting is atrocious, as it has been for far too long. Virtually every match they let the team down and usually get bailed out of it by the bowlers. Unless Cook can get a century here its game over. Bell and Pieterson haven't played to the level expected in a long time, Bairstow rarely kicks on, and even Prior has done very poorly since his century. Need at least 300 here to have a defendable lead.
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England in the poo 11-2. All the hype and arrogance prior too
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So far this game has swung from either side as both teams have been in a half decent position twice in this game. Any batsmen getting out down the leg side is never good. Hopefully Cook and KP can bat the session we needed 400 at least i think to get the in our hands however that will be very tough. Anderson and Swann looked very good today massive credit towards Hughes and Agar, however we bowled very poorly once we got them nine down especially Finn.
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England will be all out for 150
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An appalling start. I think it will actually do us a favour to lose this test match and realise that this won't be the walk over many of the nation were expecting. They have a very capable bowling line up, one which has the ability to tear through our batting line up and we shouldn't be making it easier for them by repeatedly getting out to ridiculous shots. We're now relying on big scores from an out of form Bell & Prior and an under cooked Pieterson and Bairstow.
I don't think Jonathan Trott was out either.
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I think both the wickets for England could not have been given out as I'm not sure they were 100 per convinced. Why not give Agar not out for that stumping and Trott and Root out, similar to Ian Bell in the ICC final. However Cook and KP batted well and we now have a lead of 15 tomorrow is the big days hopefully England bat well and sensibly slowly build that lead up and then attack later on in the day.
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Entertaining yes.. but this has been 2 days of one day cricket. Hope the series will turn into tests from tomorrow.
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working for sky sports on these ashes! really good atmosphere at trent bridge and the noise when we get a wicket is huge! should be an interesting 3 days.
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England will be all out for 150
Oh well maybe not.First session this morning another crucial one
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Oh well maybe not.First session this morning another crucial one
For the first session we just need to keeping batting the way we did last night as Cook and KP took the sting out of the Aussie bowlers. If we can do that then the bowlers will tire and hopefully we can then build a lead of well past 250.
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What realistic score will England be looking for to ensure winning
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To 'ensure' victory or too have no way of losing, with the time left they need to get to about 450-500 in my opinion.
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Steady progress this morning
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A lead of just over ninety with four wickets lost at lunch. Bell and Bairstow have really been tested so far and are having to dig in. KP looked really comfortable at the crease and I was starting to think that he was on for a really big score same with Cook. Its been a really good test match so far, really hope these too can for a big partnership and give us the edge.
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218-6 - 153 run lead.Lets hope it rains
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A lead of 165 at tea, Bell still at the crease this wont be any easy total for the Aussies chase, there batters look week and not many runs in the top order. Keep going England. Also well done to Ian Bell going past 6,000 test runs.
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Swings and roundabouts the Aussies had the decisions the previous day
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If I was Broad I wouldn't have walked 9 out of 10 batsmen wouldn't walk in that situation in this modern era. A great hundred from Bell, today would have hoped for a few more runs. But 311 will be hard to chase down. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how Swann bowls later on.
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A big day for us today four wickets to win, I think we will do it however I do think it will be a close one. Those late three wickets Yesterday were massive for us, and a great review decision by Cook to get the wicket of Phil Hughes. The new ball is available in nine over times be intrusting to see what happens in the opening passage of play today.
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Lunch, and the game is on a knife-edge. They need 20, we need one wicket. Test cricket doesn't get better than this. I still fancy we'll do it, but I wouldn't put my mortgage on it.
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ODI's and 20twenty cricket has absolutley nothing on Test Cricket.
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England win by 14 runs. controvesy as Haddin is given not out, but England review and Hot Spot shows the tiniest of nicks.
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What an amazing game of Cricket, it felt that it had everything records broken, controversy. Some fantastic bowling, some very good batting too. Jimmy Anderson is one hell of a bowler I think now he is just as important to our team as McGrath was to the Australia team.
Looking forward to seeing how the Aussies come back at Lords on Thursday. The one disappointing was the way Finn bowled in his first spell on the first day he bowled very well, but after that his bowling was pretty average.
I do enjoy watching ODI and the odd T20 but watching those you dont go through the same emotions, I was so on edge today watching it nerves, tension was building just like watching the Albion at times.
Roll on Thursday.
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I do enjoy watching ODI and the odd T20 but watching those you dont go through the same emotions, I was so on edge today watching it nerves, tension was building just like watching the Albion at times.
Roll on Thursday. Report to moderator
Same as you WBA, I love all forms of International cricket and the club T20.
Great game at Nottingham.
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One thing that does worry me for the series as a whole was the feeling after the game wasnt that england had won it was all about the heart the aussies showed. Its all the tv coverage kept banging on about.If they can build on this we may be in trouble!
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England showed lots of heart during the 1990's however class shines through during a Test Series as a whole.
I think we will win the series 3-1
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The DRS was a big factor to England winning this Test. We reviewed Clarke, Hughes and Haddin three very close calls, but Cook made three very good decisions in reviewing it as they were all given out. The Aussies wasted one with an LBW which was quite clearly not out, which cost them as later the Broad incident happened.
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2nd test. England batting first. Currently 28-3 after 6.1 overs.
Cook, root(wrong decision, inside edge on an lbw appeal) and pietersen gone.
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Root was the right decision for me, its hit the pad before the edge. Absolutely pathetic performance from those three on what looks like a perfect batting pitch.
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I actually thought at worst they hit the same time. Wedged the ball between bat and pad. Can't see a clear decision on what hit first.
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The side view was the one that convinced me, there was a small mark appear on the pad before it hits the inside edge and leaves the big mark on the pad. I genuinely think it was the right decision.
We are in a poor position now needing Trott and Bell to hang around for a very long time.
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Not a great start, the two openers haven't made the best of starts in this series, Trott and Bell looking good though and have put us in a better position. Credit to Clarke put Harris into the team today and he picks up two wickets. Also putting Shane Watson on after four overs and getting the wicket of Cook was a masterstroke.
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Bairstow bowled off Siddle, but called back after it was found that Siddle's front foot was over the the crease, and thus a no-ball.
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Johnny Bairstow has a habit of getting out to the straight ball thankfully this time it was a no ball this will be something that Gooch and Flower will work on more. I really hope he can get a fifty plus score and get some form and confidence going in his game. Bell looks very good at the crease too. This game is very much in the balance so far, really hope Bell can add another century. Pattison has looked a little out of sorts so far today.
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Bairstow has his 50. Here's hoping Bell can make his 100 by the end of the session
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Bell out for 109. Caught behind of smith. Excellent knock. Looking in a strong position now after a poor start. Currently 274-5 after being 28-3.
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283-7 Smith has come on and has changed the outlook of the game, I feel though that England will have one more partnership in them, should have enough to get past 300 which on any wicket with our bowlers will give them a chance to get out to a similar score to ours. Ian Bell batted extremely well a player who is now really finding form. Johnny Bairstow will be really angry with the shot he played to get out as it was a full toss and should have been put away.
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England currently 361-9. Broad and Swann hitting some good shots.
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All out 361. Broad edges behind. Good first innings score IMO.
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Not a bad score at all considering the morning of the first day.
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Good to get a competitive score down because it didn't look likely at all yesterday when three of the top four failed to make a contribution.
This is a good deck for batting so we'll need Anderson and Broad to make some early break through with the new ball.
It's a crying shame for Australia that Ryan Harris is rather injury prone.
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Very pleased to see that Broad is finding some form with the bat, Swann played well too. Still would have wanted us to get at least 400 though. Ryan Harris has been excellent he was there best seamer by a country mile. I fancy to have a bit of a lead hear. Those runs will give us momentum interesting to see how the Aussies will bat Watson will want to score quickly
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Great timing getting Watson out before lunch.
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Very sporting of Shane Watson to waste one of the Aussie reviews!
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I always enjoy Watson bat especially those drives that he plays but far too often he gets to thirty and then gets out. He has 21 scores of fifty plus only 2 of those are hundreds. Big wicket for England just before lunch and even better that they wasted one of there reviews. I was pleased it was Tim Bresnan that go the wicket.
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I always enjoy Watson bat especially those drives that he plays but far too often he gets to thirty and then gets out. He has 21 scores of fifty plus only 2 of those are hundreds. Big wicket for England just before lunch and even better that they wasted one of there reviews. I was pleased it was Tim Bresnan that go the wicket.
Shane Watson is great to watch but I don't think he's quite test standard. That's not because he lacks the ability, far from it. He just lacks the concentration. He'll play beautifully till he gets to about 30 or 40 then he gets himself out. Oh well, it's alright against England. I think Clarke might score a few on this wicket though, but it seems Jimmy has his number. We'll see.
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93-6 now.
They're in disarray. I thought we managed to get out to some silly shots but Australia are giving us a master class in getting out. :D
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93-6 now.
They're in disarray. I thought we managed to get out to some silly shots but Australia are giving us a master class in getting out. :D
they are not playing well at the moment! i was suprised that many people said about the 1st test that they showed a lot of heart. personally i think the 1st test was theirs for the taking and they bottled it.
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Another wicket! This could be over today.
96-7
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personally i think the 1st test was theirs for the taking and they bottled it.
Agreed. Lord's is quite a strong hold as well for Australian cricket. It's nothing like that at the moment. They are well and truly falling apart - Michael Clarke might have to force himself up the order at this rate in future innings. England shall bat again later tonight and really pile the runs on leaving Australia with around two days or more to save the test match.
As I type, England have taken another wicket. A run out. Hilarious.
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could be a follow on
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could be a follow on
if a follow on is possible, I wouldn't take bat them out of the game. If England have a good start the bowlers will lose, the lead will increase and the pressure on that very unstable batting line up will increase even further.
Whats also been good today now wicket for jimmy Anderson shows how good of a bowling attack we have, Swann, Bresnan and Broad have all bowled well. Why didn't Rogers review that, Watson and Hughes reviewed were both wasted. Kawaja plays a shocking shot to get out. Haddin just 2 from 34.
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After years of them rubbing our noses in it. As an England fan live for days like these don't you.
Glorious!
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Bowled out for 128.
England are wisely batting again. Time to bat for a day and a bit and really turn the screw. It will also allow the likes of Alastair Cook, Joe Root and Kevin Pieterson some more time to discover some batting form in this series.
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Swann excellent again today he has been an excellent bowler for England over the last four years and I expect him to take more wickets in the second innings. Anyone feel a 5-0 is on the cards on this form, the Aussies must be totally deflated. Really hope the likes of Cook, Root, KP and Prior find some runs. Hoping we also bat many many over and run them ragged.
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i know its wise after the event but it was a huge mistake to for England to bat again! should have put the Aussies back in again. England closed on 31-3, a lead of 264
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i know its wise after the event but it was a huge mistake to for England to bat again! should have put the Aussies back in again. England closed on 31-3, a lead of 264
All it takes is one good partnership and the game changes. I think we did the right thing, ok we have lost three wickets today, but the lower order have scored runs Bell and Bairstow made useful runs in the first innings and the lead is already getting towards 300
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All it takes is one good partnership and the game changes. I think we did the right thing, ok we have lost three wickets today, but the lower order have scored runs Bell and Bairstow made useful runs in the first innings and the lead is already getting towards 300
true! i am thinking England should hopefully reach a lead of 400+ which should effectively put the game beyond the Aussies.
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We should make 400+ lead hopefully. Very much enjoying seeing these Aussies struggle though, some poor shots, run outs, no ball wickets, one or tow chances that Haddin should have gone for, bowling them out for 128. I wasn't really into Cricket when the Aussies were doing that to us, long may it continue for England.
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Utterly dominant day for England. They've given the Aussies a right spanking!
England lead by 556 with Joe Root on 178 not out. I suppose we might give him a fraction of tomorrow morning to reach a double century before declaring leaving us with just under two days to bowl them out.
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I have just seen one of the best batting performances from an opener. Joe Root was excellent today played a vast awry of different shots, solid in defence and has shown today they he can be an opening batsmen and also innings like this prove your worth as a Test Cricketer. Was pleased with the way Tim Bresnan batted today played some good shot and can bat a long time too. Ian Bell who is now enjoying some really good form looked very impressive today and he should have had a third straight century.
The Aussies are clocking up some overs in three of the four innings they have bowled 100 plus overs. I would bat an hour tomorrow, want to see Root get 200 and Bairstow get some runs. Then get stuck into them for two and a half sessions.
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I have to admit, I doubted England going into this series. I didn't think they'd cope with being favourites, and be able to outplay an Australian side free from that pressure. But the performance today was great.
I hope we can win the series in similar fashion.
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Bat for an hour today, try and blast it around, declare then get stuck into. Problem is with the Aussies is that they have little confidence when it comes to the DRS, a lot of those batsmen are very positive and I dont see that boding well for them as they need to bat time and not look to score to many runs, so if we keep the run rate down they will then become more erratic and look to play more risque shots.
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48-3 at lunch off 22 overs
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earlier Engand were 1/8 on to win with the draw 25/1 now England are 1/20 on to win but the draw is now 12/1 with Skysports ???
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Shame that Joe Root couldn't get to 200 today. Swann has been excellent yet again today that ball to Rogers was a joy to watch. Clarke and Khawja have looked good together and have been building a good partnership. i hope we can break the partnership soon.
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Agar just been given out. Original decision was not out, eng reviewed. No hot spot but a faint noise so no clear evidence to overrule the umpire. Yet he did and was given out. Aussies not happy. Didn't look out to me. Controversy again.
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Agar just been given out. Original decision was not out, eng reviewed. No hot spot but a faint noise so no clear evidence to overrule the umpire. Yet he did and was given out. Aussies not happy. Didn't look out to me. Controversy again.
Whoever made that call to overturn that decision should be sacked. Evidence was nowhere near clear enough to give that.
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Second test in the bag ;D
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despite a poor decsicion, and a spirited tail end the Aussies have been very poor. none of their players seem to have the 'fear' factor. no Warne, McGrath et al. no confidence at all.
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The Aussies have had some bad luck, find it harsh that they gave Agar out, however we have had some dodgy ones too so it evens itself out.
Englands bowlers were great yet again, must be a great fillet to have a part time spinner get the two batsmen who were in. Over the course of the four days anything and everything has gone wrong from Australia. I dont think having the likes of Waugh, McGrath and Gilchrist around the Australian teams helps those players as it seem to have put added pressure on them.
England can still play better, as I want to see more runs from Cook and KP. I can honestly see us winning this 5-0
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The DRS system is there to overturn a "howler". There was no evidence the umpire made a mistake. Should of stayed not out.
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Just when you think things couldn't get much worse for the Aussies fast bowler Jame Pattison has been ruled out for the rest of the series. In those two Ashes tests he's bowled pretty well I imagine they may bring back Mitchell Starc, or use Jackson Bird. They wont want to over bowl or play Harris in all of the games due to is injuries worries.
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Really looking forward to the third Test match tomorrow. Warner could be playing in this one, likelihood is that he will replace Chris Rogers. Also be interesting to see which seamer they replace Pattison with and with the pitch likely to be much more useful for spin, will the play go for the more experienced Lyon over Agar.
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I expect them to ring the changes - quite simply because they need too. They've been on the back of a heavy beating where their batsman have failed to produce the required runs to actually enable them to bat at least a day. The obvious introduction first up is the return of David Warner in place of Phil Hughes who has looked so short of form, Warner shall bat at 6 with Clarke remaining at 5. Khawaja shall remain at 3 with Steve Smith moving up to 4. I expect them to retain the same opening pair, both didn't compete in their recent tour game and stayed in London to help work on their technique - in particular Shane Watson and his static front leg.
One thing which is noticeable within Australian cricket is their lack of young batting talent coming beneath them. They're well stocked in their bowling department but are incredibly short with the bat in hand and the majority of the batsman they've brought over to England for this series are naturally openers. For a team well blessed many years ago, they are now incredibly short.
I also expect Nathan Lyon to replace Ashton Agar. The latter hasn't done too badly with the bat but as the first strike spinner he's not producing the goods - although his batting might merit a place. I'd also imagine Mitchell Starc would replace James Pattinson although they could opt for James Faulkner in hope he can help re-assure what is a fragile batting line up.
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I expect them to ring the changes - quite simply because they need too. They've been on the back of a heavy beating where their batsman have failed to produce the required runs to actually enable them to bat at least a day. The obvious introduction first up is the return of David Warner in place of Phil Hughes who has looked so short of form, Warner shall bat at 6 with Clarke remaining at 5. Khawaja shall remain at 3 with Steve Smith moving up to 4. I expect them to retain the same opening pair, both didn't compete in their recent tour game and stayed in London to help work on their technique - in particular Shane Watson and his static front leg.
One thing which is noticeable within Australian cricket is their lack of young batting talent coming beneath them. They're well stocked in their bowling department but are incredibly short with the bat in hand and the majority of the batsman they've brought over to England for this series are naturally openers. For a team well blessed many years ago, they are now incredibly short.
I also expect Nathan Lyon to replace Ashton Agar. The latter hasn't done too badly with the bat but as the first strike spinner he's not producing the goods - although his batting might merit a place. I'd also imagine Mitchell Starc would replace James Pattinson although they could opt for James Faulkner in hope he can help re-assure what is a fragile batting line up.
This may sound daft but does the position they bat at really make any difference?
I'm not a knowledge on cricket but surely batsmen should be comfortable at 1 or 6?
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I think Clarke has a much better record at batting at number five. I wouldn't put Hughes in the top three as he does look far too loose. In terms of young Aussie batters well they are limited we have Joe Root who is looked very promising, Bairstow has done well. Taylor and Ballance too other future England batsmen.
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This may sound daft but does the position they bat at really make any difference?
I'm not a knowledge on cricket but surely batsmen should be comfortable at 1 or 6?
It makes an awful lot of difference when you've trained yourself to bat in a certain position, against certain conditions and then out of the blue you're dropped down the order in a totally different environment. The greatest example would be Ricky Ponting who has amassed an awful lot of runs and a decent average batting in the upper echelons of the order, however, when he batted at number six, he had nowhere near the same success. Michael Clarke is also very similar, he has proved himself to be a run machine batting at five with a good average yet when he bats at four, the runs and his average prove very susceptible. He averages 21.51 batting at four yet batting at number five he averages 63.41 - coincidentally, 20 out of his 23 test hundreds have came batting at five whereas he's yet to score a ton batting at four.
Naturally the great way to be a successful side is to have players of different techniques and abilities throughout the order. Each position in cricket allows for a trained skill - the roles are incredibly different. For example, you wouldn't want a side of Kevin Pieterson's because naturally for their brilliance, there will also be many failures. In addition, someone like Kevin Pieterson, a destructive batsman would find himself seriously in trouble against a new ball which is swinging both ways - opening batsman have a skill in seeing off the new ball which allows the lower order to amass runs. They need to set a platform batting with patience and skill and great concentration. Furthermore, you wouldn't want a side of Alastair Cook's either because the rate of you scoring runs would bore the nation stiff.
Australia have a squad which is currently very similar to each other. The middle order which in cricket are generally allowed to score quicker is now filled with opening batsmen who are usually patient against a new ball - instead, you are taking players away from their natural game.
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Australia are 92-2 at lunch and yet again we're talking about a disastrous decision from the third umpire.
DRS has been talk of the opening tests but the problem isn't neccesarily DRS, it's the umpires which do not have a clue how to use it. Khawaja was given out on the field by Tony Hill, yet DRS quite clearly proved that their was no contact between bat and ball and the decision should have been over-turned and given not out. Instead, the third umpire deemed the on-field decision to have been the correct one.
Australia have batted very well this morning with great discipline. Chris Rogers has provided them with a solid platform to build on.
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Looked the easiest decision to make to overturn the decision. Can understand the on field Umpire giving the decision as out due to the noise even though it was bat on pad but the Third Umpire is a disgrace for not overturning it as there was clearly no contact with the bat on the ball.
Australia have been poor with their use of review in this series often throwing them away but this time they have lost one through no fault of their own and that could have a real impact later on. They may think twice about reviewing another decision where they would go for it 100% if they knew they would be left with one if it went against them.
There is nothing wrong with the technology its the people using it.
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Dont some people on here go to work :)
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I work nights :)
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I'm the first to beam a huge grin when England take wickets against the Aussies, but that decision was, quite frankly, embarrassing. No way was there contact made and it was simply not out. Have lots of Aussie mates from my periodic time abroad and it puts a dampener on things when, if in the event of an England victory now, all the banter is about 'fair play', as opposed to the actual cricket. Damn shame.
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Chris Rogers has batted very well today and has scored his run at a very quick rate too. I was very surprised about the umpire not overturning that decision, there was nothing for them to go on as hotspot and snicko proved not noise of edge from the bat. Really hope we can pick up one or two wickets in this session and force more pressure on them.
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Michael Clarke is also very similar, he has proved himself to be a run machine batting at five with a good average yet when he bats at four, the runs and his average prove very susceptible. He averages 21.51 batting at four yet batting at number five he averages 63.41 - coincidentally, 20 out of his 23 test hundreds have came batting at five whereas he's yet to score a ton batting at four.
I'd like to apologise to the nation for cursing this piece of history.
Australia in a commanding position with Michael Clarke currently 125 not out after coming in at four.
Australia finish the day on 303-3. A much better batting performance from them.
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This Test match has draw written all over it, a ground that first innings wise has been quite fruitful this season and also the fact that its meant to rain alot between tomorrow and Sunday.
The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.
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This Test match has draw written all over it, a ground that first innings wise has been quite fruitful this season and also the fact that its meant to rain alot between tomorrow and Sunday.
The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.
We need to hurry up and skittle them!
Can't let Clarke and the weather ruin our chances of 5-0! ;D
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We need to hurry up and skittle them!
Can't let Clarke and the weather ruin our chances of 5-0! ;D
Clarke was going to make a big score sooner or later, the same applies to our batsmen Cook KP and Trott. I hope that we make early inroads tomorrow get them out for hopefully no more thank 120 runs and hopefully rack up a big total ourselves and then who knows. We made 550 in Adelaide and still lost the game in 2005.
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i think England will be praying for rain :D
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Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250
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Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250
We'll make runs, Cook Trott or KP have yet to really get going in this series. The bowlers have to bowl much better today, break this partnership up early and get stuck into them.
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The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.
Best chance in that case may be enforcing the follow-on if they are to sneak a win. So may want to stay in as long as possible but obviously need to score at a decent rate.
Likely will need at least four days overall of full cricket to have any chance of a result for this match.
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Aussies declare 527-7. Haddin and Starc with a great partnership at the end, seems these days that a lot of teams have very a lot of bowlers who are very capable of makings runs. Swann bowled well again in this innings. The seamers didn't bowl badly, it was just not offering the bowlers to much. Time for Cook to make one big score now he and Root haven't made too many runs together so far.
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Its been a tough morning for England losing two wickets. Cook played well for sixty. KP has had one or two moments but he is now looking good on 33. Pietersen and Ian Bell need to form a really big partnership and take some pressure of the team. Bell may be lucky to still be in as one went past the bat which although there was no sign on hotspot it looked very close. Brad Haddin was adamant that it was out.
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Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250
Still standing by my prediction
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211-4 at Tea. Kevin Pietersen and Ian Bell going very well hope they can both make the three figures and we can avoid the follow on. and the Aussie bowlers are racking up the over, still very confident we can save this test match, possible chance of rain over the next two days.
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Finished 294-7, didn't see any of it as was playing cricket, but with Prior still there see no reason why we can't push on to 400 tomorrow and easily avoid the follow on (which Aussie wouldn't enforce anyway). We're effectively only 6 down having used a night-watchman.
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cant help feeling that the Aussies batted for too long! this was a must win game for them and it looks like heading for a draw. which will see us retain the ashes.
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cant help feeling that the Aussies batted for too long! this was a must win game for them and it looks like heading for a draw. which will see us retain the ashes.
I think they batted for too long. I would have felt they should have declared just before tea and had an extra ten overs at us on Friday. Stuart Broad is picking up with the bat of late, and hopefully Prior can find some form these players score quickly so it could be interesting to watch this morning. Hopefully England can bat and bat and bat today, The Aussie have already bowled 120 overs.
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I think they batted for too long. I would have felt they should have declared just before tea and had an extra ten overs at us on Friday. Stuart Broad is picking up with the bat of late, and hopefully Prior can find some form these players score quickly so it could be interesting to watch this morning. Hopefully England can bat and bat and bat today, The Aussie have already bowled 120 overs.
Rain stopped play and the forecast for tomorrow is not good. Australia finished on 172/7, a lead of 331. surely they must declare to give themselves any chance of winning.
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They should declare straight away in the morning but there is very little chance of England being bowled out - especially with the weather forecast.
Hate to see play being abandoned, this isn't the way I wanted us to win the Ashes.
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Knowing Clarke and his decisions that he has made they will declare and put England in. Its hard to take the Weather out of the aquasion but 331 may still be gettable. Take the top three out we have a the rest of the batting line up like to score fast and with it been a very good batting wicket, it could be a very interesting days play tomorrow.
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England are not going to be foolish enough to go and chase it - Alastair Cook's captaincy has been conservative and defensive. England will want to be professional tomorrow and just bat the day with no intentions of chasing down the target - even if they did have the intention of chasing it down, it would take the loss of a quick wicket or two for it to be reigned back in and England to plod along.
I remember us doing something similar with South Africa last summer. We were given a reachable target yet after the loss of two quick wickets, England return to a more solidified platform to bat the remainder of the day.
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Having listened to Shane Warne he has spoke a lot that Clarke is a very positive captain and I would have felt that with the weather and also the fact that in all three tests matches England have batted a full day without lost more than five wickets then surely he would want to have as many over as he could today. Also in the five innings so far England have lost early wickets.
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Lunch on day five 34-3. The Aussie have bowled very well again today. Pietersen was furious when he was given out as Snicko shows that there was a slight nick however the DRS system shows that the ball didn't touch the bat. Never want rain to stop a game of Cricket but I feel we may need some now.
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Rain stopped play! 37/3. needless to say has done us a big favour. not bothered wether that the rain could save us as long as we draw. love to put one over on the arrogant whineing Aussies :D
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It looks very bleak now and the chances of any play today are very thin. Australia looked a lot better in this Test match, however I dont see them been consistent enough to continue performing like what they have in this game.
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match drawn due to rain. England retain the Ashes, but Australia will be heartened by the way they came back after the disaster of the previous tests.
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Bit of anti climax in the end - not the way I wanted to celebrate winning the Ashes.
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Would have hoped for a very good final days play really. Well done England very close Test at Trent Bridge, then England showed a lot of quality to thrash them at Lords. Be interesting to see can this Australasia team perform this well in back to back test matches, and there still is a lot of inconsistent within there team.
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utterly and totally outplayed in this test.Someone obviously got their preyer mat out
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utterly and totally outplayed in this test.Someone obviously got their preyer mat out
yes! and all that talk of a whitewash! to be fair Australia had to win this game and England did not. it will be interesting to see how Australia play in the next two tests knowing now they cannot win the Ashes.
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I think this is where we'll see the real England come to the forefront. England have played some good cricket throughout the series so far but haven't reached their maximum in my opinion - a lot of it came down to the Australians and their abysmal batting attempts. England are now without any pressure to go and express themselves knowing they've done the business - I would wager that Cook and Trott shall return to their normal standards in Durham - although it'll no doubt be similar tricky conditions.
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England will come back strong in this Test match, Cook, Trott and Pietersen will start scoring runs again which will really put the Aussies under some pressure. I still think that now Australia haven't won a Test match for a long time they will still be inconsistent. Also will they Pick Harris again back to back Tests and he bowled a lot of overs?
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Going well on 82-1 but is Root really all that
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Going well on 82-1 but is Root really all that
Yes - you don't score runs like he has at county championship level if you're not a good player.
He's just stepped up to open the batting against a very capable bowling outfit after plying his test trade in the middle of the order - give him chance.
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Whats the word again, utter
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You take your negativity and pessimism out of my cricket thread and go back to the transfer forum! ;D
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You take your negativity and pessimism out of my cricket thread and go back to the transfer forum! ;D
To be fair we are not very good at anything at the moment are we., Just wait until the Scots put it up us next week :) Morrison Dorrans & co
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Twice in this Test match we have got ourselves into very good positions. Broad bowled very well Yesterday once he finds his length he is a very good bowler. Ian Bell struggled against the Aussies in 2005 and has turned out to be an exceptional England batsmen. Root will get better it takes time to form an opening partnership, and probably the hardest thing in Cricket along with been a Captain is been an opening batsmen.
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Root fails again.Australia seem to have more desire than England since Lords
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Where do you get the desire argument from?
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Ian Bell coming to our rescue again with another century - England finish the days play on 234-5 with a lead of 202 which can hopefully be built on tomorrow morning.
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Ian Bell once again fantastic, a brilliant player to watch. England had a good day Yesterday getting those last five wickets for only 48 runs. Cook looked to be on for a very good score before getting out, Bairstow and KP also looked very positive and scored quiet quickly. Root got a really good ball from Harris who looked very impressive once again. A big blow for Australia with Shane Watson going off injured. If and when we get past 250 lead then I think that we will be in the driving seat to win this game.
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Well done England.An inspired Broad got us there in the end
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it looked all over at 109/1 the Aussies will be kicking themselves! :D
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Terrific day of test match cricket and quite simply a sensational bowling performance from Stuart Broad.
109-0 and to have them bowled out for 224 is no mean feat. The opening partnership set a fantastic platform for Australia to finally win a test match but like the story of their series, their batting order collapsed.
Truly remarkable day of test match cricket - let's finish the series in style at The Oval.
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Another big well done to Ian Bell too
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The psycholological advantage must surely be with England for the final test. I still cannot believe that the Aussies blew it.
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The psycholological advantage must surely be with England for the final test. I still cannot believe that the Aussies blew it.
Even with such a good start it was an incredibly difficult winning target when you look at the scores in the other 3 innings, I wasn't overly concerned even at 140 odd for 1. If they had got to double figures required with a few in the shed then you start twitching.
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They were in more than a comfortable position to go and win the test match - especially at a point where we were looking incredibly nervous and desperate. Regardless of how difficult the target was, they gave themselves a solid platform and like so often throughout this tour their middle order provided a collapse of epic, hilarious, proportions. Gerry makes a good point, all it needs is England to take a few quick wickets in succession and it looks like the whole batting order shall just collapse and more worryingly for Australia, they look unable to prevent it.
Lovely stuff. :D
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What a great win, didn't think we would win that at Tea, but Broad once again was excellent. Strange that we are 3-0 up but yet to score 400, the bowlers have been fantastic all the way through this series each and every one of them have done a job.
Ian Bells batting has been fantastic too his runs have set up for victories. I think it just takes that one Wicket to start the collapse, today it was the Wicket of Warner who looked really good today. Broad bowled Clarke with a real beauty. From then on in it was England's game.
The most important decisions today was Bresnan not been given not out, his and Swanns runs were valuable today. At times I've said that we should go for Tremlett or Finn over Bresnan but his all round game is better than those too.
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Its a real shame that Tim Bresnan will have to miss the final test, however this will be a great chance Chris Tremlett who will most probably play. I really hope England win this and cap off what has been a fantastic summer and a very good period for the team in all formats of the game. I cant wait for the series in November to win which I think England will win.
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Its been a tough day for England. Shane Watson batted extremely today. well, its about time he made some big runs. Well done to Jimmy Anderson for surpassing Bob Willis 326 wickets he has now. I was very surprised to see England give Chris Woakes and Simon Kerrigan there debuts there first spells didn't go to well but Woakes looked a lot better in his second spell.
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5th test match drawn and England win the series 3-0.
With four overs remaining and with England needing 21 runs to win the test match the umpires brought us off for bad light. A disgraceful ending which has robbed the public of a terrific ending to the test match.
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Gutted that we didn't have the last four over but what a day over 400 hundred runs plenty of wickets and plenty of tension and drama too. We haven't been at our best in this series but we have won the key moments. Its great to see KP and Trott finding some runs in this Test Match too. Roll on November the 21st.
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Daylight robbery
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Overall I would say that England have had a very good summer. Winning the Ashes was the big one and to win that was great. Getting to an ODI final also too shows good progression in 50 over Cricket. In the ODI series with the Aussies there were a few new players in that side, Stokes, Jordon, Carberry and Rankin. I all thought they did pretty well and made some good contributions. Not sure about KP and Carberry opening the batting though.
Bring on November the 21st in Brisbane.
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I'm really looking forward to the Ashes starting in a few days time now. What have other people on here felt about Cook's captaincy? So far is record is excellent seven test wins out of fourteen, winning the Ashes and in India are two fantastic achievements too. I think we will win the forthcoming series as the batsmen will be better due to the pitches been more favorable for our batsmen.
Two places up for grabs who bats at six? Who will be the third seamer?
For me I would g with Bairstow. He showed some promising signs in the last series and I think he will be a better player for the experience. For the third seamer I would go for Finn, but I have a feeling they may give Rankin a try.
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I think he's done a good job. He had big shoes to follow and I wouldn't listen to the opinions of Shane Warne very much. He's bitter that he was never offered the Australian captaincy. Clarke has to be imaginative because he doesn't have the players like Cook does to get the results needed.
As for the number six position. Bairstow is weakness at the moment and I think we'll look to shore up that middle order. Given Michael Carberry's impressive tour form so far it wouldn't surprise me to see him open with Joe Root dropping down the order in place of Jonny Bairstow. Of course, there is Garry Ballance but I think Brisbane might come too early for him.
Tremlett will be the third seamer, in my opinion. He should have been tested in the final test of the summer to check out his condition. He played very well in the last series and I would give him the third seamer role ahead of Finn who tends to be expensive and Rankin who is relatively new at this level.
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Those comments from Shane Warne were utter drivel really. Clarke is a very positive captain who will be prepared to lose if if means his team has a chance of winning. Shane Watson could miss the first test, Micheal Clarke however should be fit for it. I am a massive Tremlett fan however my only issue would be will he be the same play from the big injury he has had. I see no reason why we cant replicate the results we had in the summer.
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Unfortunately for Balance, the combination of the big opening stand and a days rain means it looks as though he'll get very little chance to stake a claim. Agree Carberry to open and Root at 6 looks the most likely now.
3rd seamer is a tricky one as Finn hasn't really fulfilled his potential yet - doesn't matter now but Onions should have gone instead of one of Finn, Rankin, Tremlett.
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IT RETURNS TONIGHT! ;D
Prediction time:
England to win the series 2-1 - lose the first test.
Top run scorer: Jonathan Trott
Top wicket taker: Stuart Broad
Best individual score - Clarke 189.
Best bowling figures - Anderson 5-49.
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Fun!!
Prediction time:
England to win the series 4-0.
Top run scorer: Kevin Pietersen
Top wicket taker: Graeme Swann
Best individual score - Bell 234.
Best bowling figures - Broad 7-62.
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Prediction time:
England to win the series 3-0
Top run scorer: Cook
Top wicket taker: Stuart Broad
Best individual score - Cook 189.
Best bowling figures - Broad 6-58.
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England to win the series 2-0 -
Top run scorer: Alastair Cook
Top wicket taker: Greame Swann
Best individual score - Alastair Cook 204
Best bowling figures - Broad 7-58.
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Impressive that none of us have predicted the second best seam bowler in the world to be the top wicket taker.
:D
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What a ball from Broady!!!!
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Days don't come much better than that.
Brilliant from Broady.
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i managed the first hour, then dropped off to sleep. great start by our lads, it looks like a good batting pitch, hopefully cook and carberry can get a good innings in.
my prediction:
4-1 to england.
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was this before or after the 5'er liam??
;D ;D ;D ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cS4yk3SXTI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
:D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
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Impressive that none of us have predicted the second best seam bowler in the world to be the top wicket taker.
:D
I'm a Lancastrian so I love Jimmy, just think Swanny will run through them a couple of times second dig. They should all three get around 20/25 wickets a piece
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England to win the series 4-0 -
Top run scorer: Kevin Pietersen
Top wicket taker: Greame Swann
Best individual score - KP 212
Best bowling figures - Swann 6-81
A great first day for us, the Aussie batting collapse once again happens. Some very poor shots from Watson, Warner and Bailey. I loved the fact that Broad picked up five wickets, the Aussies can abuse him as much as they want, it makes him better and it doesn't affect him, same goes for KP.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cS4yk3SXTI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
This is a personal favourite of mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAjPDBl818
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Managed till Lunch at 2 this morning so struggled today, thinking of going to sleep now then waking up at 12.
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Did till tea last night, all-nighter tonight, going to be hard work tomorrow.
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I managed till 3 last night. Hoping to do longer tonight.
Think I might need to do some tactical sleeps from now on! :D
Didn't take long to skittle them. Two days of England batting would be very nice.
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I struggle in the Lunch break. Got Football Manager to keep me occupied for tonight!!
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I watch the cricket lying in bed and the lunch break did me in too.
I might set my alarm so in case I drop off I wake up again ;D
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I managed till 3 last night. Hoping to do longer tonight.
Think I might need to do some tactical sleeps from now on! :D
Didn't take long to skittle them. Two days of England batting would be very nice.
State of this pitch I'm tempted to change my highest score of the series prediction. We could bat very very long. An Englishman could hit 300 on this pitch.
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It really is flat. We've done well to restrict them to under 300, especially at a place which is considered to be an Australia strong hold. That being said, its been a while since we actually made a big score in the first innings of a test match away from home - we've been quite poor in the opening test match - the last time we won an opening test away from home came against Bangladesh.
Edit: Cook has gone.
Really like Ryan Harris. Very good bowler and without doubt Australia's best. Just a shame for them that his body doesn't hold up very well throughout a series.
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He'll be kicking himself, just played down the wrong line... Trott is soon on with it though :)
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Don't know about you, but I despise listening to Shane Warne..
What a bitter bloke he's turned out to be.
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Don't know about you, but I despise listening to Shane Warne..
What a bitter bloke he's turned out to be.
Last night he seemed to quite equitable in his comments about England, I must admit though I've had the sound muted so far this morning as I've had one eye on the latest episode of Boardwalk Empire.
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Some of his comments about Alastair Cook throughout the summer have been embarrassing.
If he wedges himself any further up Clarke's arsehole he'll be appearing out his mouth next.
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Some of his comments about Alastair Cook throughout the summer have been embarrassing.
If he wedges himself any further up Clarke's arsehole he'll be appearing out his mouth next.
I'll be listening for this now ;D
Awful time to lose that wicket, very poor from Trott. Reminiscent of yesterday. Am hoping for three sessions of KP.
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pooh delivery, pooh shot, pooh time keeping. Just pooh.
Tbf, ever since that very first delivery he was living a charmed life.
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he's hit the cover off that, 6 down. Appalling performance by the England batsmen.
EDIT. Tea 94 for 8... Oh dear.
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A very poor day for us. Micheal Carberry with 40 the only real positive. Still three days to go and the Aussies are well ahead in this game. I'm hoping for some early wickets and to keep the run rate down. The batting cant get any worse time for the likes of Cook, Trott and KP to stand up.
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Ah well !! I can get some sleep tonight! I can't see us batting for 2 days to save the match.............. but you never know we did it last year!.
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Will setup the series nicely if Aus go on to win this one.
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back to shane warne, in the summer when the convicts toured england he was quite good to listen to, now we are touring in oz his attitude seems to have changed. Arrogance has set in. i hope we can get something out of this game and shove back down his convict throat.
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That was quite frankly pathetic. I refer you back to my earlier post:
That being said, its been a while since we actually made a big score in the first innings of a test match away from home - we've been quite poor in the opening test match -
Australia will bat all of tomorrow leaving themselves with two days to skitttle us out. Considering we've struggled to bat just over two sessions, I'm not exactly confident that we'll bat two days, especially on a pitch which will show signs of deterioration.
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hopefully swann can do what lyon has done for them. frankly cant see it.
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That I'm afraid comes down to mentality.
Nathan Lyon is your standard spin bowler. He's not brilliant but he's not bad either, he's many in a long list that Australia have tried since Shane Warne - let's not forget, he was ousted in favour of a young lad in the summer! When Graeme Swann receives the ball there is a signal of intent from the Australian batsman that they will not let him settle - see the batting of Haddin and Johnson who forced the pressure back onto ourselves when they decided to attack Swann. We on the otherhand are far to conservative. He is not a brilliant bowler and therefore we should be doing similar, instead, we look to defend and build up pressure upon ourselves which inevitably leads towards a collapse.
This is the same spin bowler which the Aussie selectors didn't want to play until Clarke was granted his wish.
To score 136 on this pitch is nothing short of shambolic but lets face it, it's hardly surprising.
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we've been due a bad innings for a while. hopefully get this out the way, start a fresh, and get back to winning ways.
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England's batting has been nothing short of pathetic for a long time now, probably going back to the home series against India in 2011 (an exception in the away tour of India last year too). Every game virtually features a big collapse, rarely do we pile on big scores, every game virtually is run rates below 3. Scores of 400+ have been very scarce since 2011, compare that to 2010-11 when we were piling on 500+ for fun.
Because often there's one player (Bell last series) who performs, and the bowlers usually do their job very well, we've got away with it a lot of the time but that isn't going to keep happening.
Ironically I think most the problem comes with the players being so concerned about getting out they play so negatively they end up cracking under the pressure. As Liam says, we bring Swann on and the Aussies take that as a chance to go offensive, they bought Lyon on and Carberry and Trott/Pieterson went on block mode straight away allowing pressure to build and obviously a mistake to happen.
We've lost this game baring the weather, and the batsmen need to take a serious look at themselves now. Cook, Trott, Pieterson, Prior, Root. Six games now and not one of them has rose to the occasion for more than one match. Frankly its getting to the point I think Trott should be considered for dropping from the test side, usually he was painfully slow but dug in and stuck around. Now he just gets out so easily every time.
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I think trying to remember when England had a good innings is a more realistic option.
How long has it been since we last notched 400 runs in a test match?
Our batting in the summer wasn't brilliant but we relied on Australia being pooh.
I still think we'll win the series though - just lose this test now we've gifted them the advantage.
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I think Trott should be considered for dropping from the test side, usually he was painfully slow but dug in and stuck around. Now he just gets out so easily every time.
Lets be honest that won't be happening any time soon. Whilst I admire Jonathan Trott he has a serious problem with his technique - similar to the way we shall target Michael Clarke with the short ball. Trott's reliance to walk towards the ball and across his stumps is making him extremely vulnerable down the leg side and on the short ball, especially to someone of Mitchell Johnson's pace and bounce on these flat Aussie decks.
He was doomed from the first ball when Johnson ruffled him up.
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Everybody was saying after the 1st two tests in England it was going to be a whitewash ( i was thinking similar). The Aussies did well to come back. With home advantage they will get by us 3-0.
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I'm clutching at straws, but some of these batters are due some big scores. Two days is a long time to bat out, may even be more than that. If we were to lose this Test I am confident of us coming right back with a very good performance we have done it many times before in the past.
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Everybody was saying after the 1st two tests in England it was going to be a whitewash ( i was thinking similar). The Aussies did well to come back. With home advantage they will get by us 3-0.
In my view the Aussies arent good enough to win a 5 match test series against us.
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In my view the Aussies arent good enough to win a 5 match test series against us.
No, but when you bat as poorly as we're doing then they have every chance.
It's now 17 innings since we last notched a score of 400 or more.
Australia are piling on the runs for fun at the moment and it certainly looks like we'll have to bat for two days and a bit. I just hope that our efforts this time round aren't as pathetic as our collapse in the first innings which I would be disgraced to see in school cricket.
Where's the rain?
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Also, a decision needs to be made on Chris Tremlett. He's in the side as third seamer and has looked bang average and obviously not reaching the standards he set himself in 2010. He wasn't lightening quick back then but he wasn't this slow - if he's in there to do an intimidating job and offer Cook some control then he needs to start bowling much quicker - if anything, the containment job should have been given to Graham Onions but I guess the decision looks easier with hindsight. Be interesting to see how fit Tim Bresnan is when he returns from his injury.
If we're looking for pace and bounce, despite how erratic he maybe, I think we'll need to give Steven Finn the opportunity - he might be expensive but he'll take wickets and offer us a different dimension to what we currently have. I don't think any of our bowlers so far have bowled quicker than 85mph - quite a bit slower than Johnson, Harris and Siddle. Boyd Rankin is a wildcard and not one we should be looking to use on this tour unless we have too.
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12-2 already for England! Trott has had another shocker against Johnson. His role in the team has to start being questioned now.
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24-2 at close. Oh well might as well right the first one off. :(
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Also, a decision needs to be made on Chris Tremlett. He's in the side as third seamer and has looked bang average and obviously not reaching the standards he set himself in 2010. He wasn't lightening quick back then but he wasn't this slow - if he's in there to do an intimidating job and offer Cook some control then he needs to start bowling much quicker - if anything, the containment job should have been given to Graham Onions but I guess the decision looks easier with hindsight. Be interesting to see how fit Tim Bresnan is when he returns from his injury.
If we're looking for pace and bounce, despite how erratic he maybe, I think we'll need to give Steven Finn the opportunity - he might be expensive but he'll take wickets and offer us a different dimension to what we currently have. I don't think any of our bowlers so far have bowled quicker than 85mph - quite a bit slower than Johnson, Harris and Siddle. Boyd Rankin is a wildcard and not one we should be looking to use on this tour unless we have too.
Yes the bowling which everyone thought was looking so strong is suddenly a bit of a worry - less reverse swing because of the Kookaburra ball doesn't suit us. Anderson pace-wise is regulation these days. We certainly need more pace which means one of Finn or Rankin has to play. Finn tends to be a bit expensive and seems a bit flaky mentally, I think Rankin does come into it and he's tended to be more controlled than Finn in the warm ups.
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....and Swann isn't looking any better than Lyon
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In my view the Aussies arent good enough to win a 5 match test series against us.
I think at this current time are England good enough to beat the Aussies! Trott needs to be taken out of the firing line. The Aussies quite clearly know his weakness as they pointed out before the series started. As i said before home advantage will be the key.
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I think they are a five match series is a long time.
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Its still very early days, on a lot of occasion we have played poorly in a first Test and come back really well. Lords 2005, nearly lost against Cardiff 2009. A poor first couple of days in Brisbane 2010
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England have to be careful how they bat the next two days.
It is vitally important that we score runs - not to win the test, but to try to relieve pressure and put the pressure on Michael Clarke. That will mean needing to dictate the pace of the game when Nathan Lyon arrives and not revert into our shells and into an ultra blocking session where we just create further unnecessary pressure upon ourselves.
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Pathetic.
Think that's the word that best sums it up.
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Trott is out of the tour with a 'stress related illness' which he has been suffering with now for some time. Makes Warner's comments about him being 'poor and weak' even worse now. One thing he is, is a thug!!!
Who do we think should replace him?
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Trott is out of the tour with a 'stress related illness' which he has been suffering with now for some time. Makes Warner's comments about him being 'poor and weak' even worse now. One thing he is, is a thug!!!
Who do we think should replace him?
Not just a 'thug' but a thick thug!!
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Very sad to hear that Jonathan Trott is leaving the tour. However this probably is the best thing for him and the England team. Hopefully he will recover and will come back into the England set up soon. It will be interesting to see how England will go now. I think Nick Compton should maybe come into the side, they may push Joe Root up to three.
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Yes I think Compton - I would leave Bell and Root where they are to hopefully give strength in the middle.
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The right decision to let him go home and get the appropriate rest he needs - especially with Perth not too far away, a pitch with plenty of pace and bounce - not at all been impressed with some of the actions of the Australian players throughout the first test.
As for his replacement, move Ian Bell up to three and insert either Ben Stokes or Gary Ballance into the middle order.
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The right decision to let him go home and get the appropriate rest he needs - especially with Perth not too far away, a pitch with plenty of pace and bounce - not at all been impressed with some of the actions of the Australian players throughout the first test.
As for his replacement, move Ian Bell up to three and insert either Ben Stokes or Gary Ballance into the middle order.
.... and at the same time tell the England players not to throw their dummies out of the pram and give interviews to the Australian media like any mature persons in their positions would.
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.... and at the same time tell the England players not to throw their dummies out of the pram and give interviews to the Australian media like any mature persons in their positions would.
I guess they're informed that they must carry out their media duties to both the English and Australian media - certainly haven't seen anybody throwing their dummies out the pram, though.
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I guess they're informed that they must carry out their media duties to both the English and Australian media - certainly haven't seen anybody throwing their dummies out the pram, though.
A number of England players were shown on TV ignoring questions from the Aussie media.
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A number of England players were shown on TV ignoring questions from the Aussie media.
I never noticed that if truth be told - if that's the case then fair play to them. The reporting from the Australian courier mail has been ridiculous.
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Depending how Bresnan's back holds up to bowling I would imagine his 57* today will see him drafted in for the second test.
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I really hope we can have a great fightback in this Test. Ian Bell could be batting at three for this one. Surely we cant bat that poor again, players like KP, Prior, Root are due some runs. Not sure who they are going to go with to replace Jonathan Trott with.
Come on England.
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I cant see England retaining the Ashes.Too much fire in the Aussie bellies
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look out for the 6 foot Adelaide baggies St Georges cross at the Adelaide oval this week
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look out for the 6 foot Adelaide baggies St Georges cross at the Adelaide oval this week
Nice one but i do think it will be the only thing to celebrate in this test
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Lot of doom and gloom on here. I think we'll win this test in 4 days giving a big boost before Perth.
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Okay we did play very poor in the first Test match, and Jonathan Trott going home is a big blow. Their is still four games to go I am very confident that we can bounce back. Hopefully we can bat first make a big total, and get those bowlers tired. Come days four and five the pitch will do more, which hopefully will where Swann will come into play.
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Well its been a very tough couple of days, however right at the end of day 2 we did have some luck, as the Aussies should have reviewed one which would have been given out.Ben Stokes has done ok on debut hoping he makes some runs later on 335 more runs to avoid the follow on these players need to bat big.
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Sloppiness has cost us 289 runs and with that the game.
Only Perth next for England - a place where we never win.
We'll collapse tonight.
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Sloppiness has cost us 289 runs and with that the game.
Only Perth next for England - a place where we never win.
We'll collapse tonight.
Spot on. I watched it, it wasn't pretty, but you'd think Mitchell Johnson was Wasim Akram in his pomp the way Prior and the tail failed to get in behind the ball.
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Can we afford to continue with Prior & Root-non existent as batsmen, how did we get to this?!, I am beginning to believe Warner, who intimated that we are scared of Mitchell!.
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We are scared of Mitchell Johnson - we're just being foolish denying it.
I could spot the England collapse a mile off. We've thrown this test match away and then we move onto Perth, an unhappy hunting ground for England - a ground with pace and bounce - god help us.
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Your spot on Liam they do fear him and honestly I cannot understand why hes a very good bowler but not a patch on some we have faced in the last 10-15 years.
Our batsman should be good enough and patient enough to see him off.
This series as been a big disappointment in my view too much talk and not enough action.
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This series as been a big disappointment in my view too much talk and not enough action.
We came into the series woefully under prepared and very over confident..
Despite not playing any good cricket for at least 16 months or so.
We were fortunate in the summer that Australia were poor with the bat. Now they've shown what a bit of fight, aggression and attitude can do. Meanwhile, we've waved the white flag.
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Some of the batting performances this series have been nothing short of pathetic. Our 'captain' Alistair Cook has shown how terribly out of form he is and his defensive tactics which very nearly failed in the last series have been catastrophic and failed so badly.
KP, Prior, Root and even the bowlers like Anderson and Swann have been very poor.
Only people who can come out of the series so far with any credit at all is Carberry and Bell.
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Your spot on Liam they do fear him and honestly I cannot understand why hes a very good bowler but not a patch on some we have faced in the last 10-15 years.
Our batsman should be good enough and patient enough to see him off.
This series as been a big disappointment in my view too much talk and not enough action.
Johnson consistently bowling 94 mph is the huge factor - we haven't faced many or any that quick in the past 10-15 years and this batting line up won't have. Prior, Broad and Swann who have given us a strong lower order in recent years just can't handle his pace.
Just in defence of Cook, the ball he got moved 2 inches off the pitch, when a ball travelling at 94 mph suddenly changes direction when it pitches a couple of foot away, no batsman has got a prayer.
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Johnson did bowl well, but how bad were the shots that KP and Root got out too. Carberry looked good Yesterday took Lyon on as did Bell. I think the Aussie will have an hour or so on day four then bowl us out within the day. I see another collapse coming.
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Root is batting well today and needs persisting with, though I'd still want Bell at 3. Strength in depth looks to be a big problem all of a sudden with us struggling for a decent 3rd seamer and a number 6. Is there a wicket keeper anywhere even putting the slightest pressure on the very poor Prior?
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Eng;land finished 247-6 Joe Root batted very well and KP made some runs. Ben Stokes battled for two hours and made 28 and then at the end Prior not out on 31 and Broad on 22, still a long way off but it was better today. Their may be some rain Tomorrow lets up there is.
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Lot of doom and gloom on here. I think we'll win this test in 4 days giving a big boost before Perth.
Looks like the doom and gloom wasn't misguided :D
The Ashes are lost as far as I'm concerned. If we're struggling on batting wickets like Adelaide then how on earth are we going to cope in Perth?
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Nah mate, spirited draw in Perth then win the last two. Ashes retained!! ;D
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Someone has started early with their festive drinking! :D
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Perth tonight - expecting some changes - Swann and Panesar to be dropped with Bresnan and Steven Finn coming into the side.
Not holding much hope for the test match. If we're struggling to bat on a flat deck at Brisbane and a drop in pitch in Adelaide then I fear for us in Perth.
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Yet again we get the Aussies in a good position and then let them back in the game. Very surprised that none of Steve Finn, Chris Tremlett or Boyd Rankin have started this game. I really don't fancy us to get much from this Test Match. Its such a shame that these two back to back series look over before we get to the fourth test.
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Yes it was a very safety first selection just bringing back Bresnan. With the situation as it is in the series and knowing what the Perth wicket is like, we just had to bring in Finn or Rankin.
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England finished 180-4 still 205 runs behind. The game is very much in the balance. I really hope Ian Bell and Ben Stokes can bat as well as what they did towards the end. We need someone to make century still not to have a centurion on this tour so far. KP again playing a stupid shot, Root unlucky with his dismissal too.
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Cant help feeling there is going to be another collapse here.
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I have faith in Bell, not so much the rest, if we can get to 320 then we're in the test.
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Disastrous morning... I'd suggest we need a new wicketkeeper...
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Just shocking Stokes and Prior have just thrown their wickets away game and series over now.
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The mentality in this team is all wrong, the Aussies have been good but the same things happen against all countries nowadays.
Bowling wise every single team's tail puts on a strong show against us, gives the opposition far better scores than they should have. I get the feeling that they must just think the job is done or something, because its literally every single game now that they can't remove the tail. Usually they get smashed all over the place too.
Batting wise its just pathetic, far too negative. Dullest side to watch in the world and not even effective at it. Our batsmen basically just eat up overs till they nick one or get out LBW. The reason none of them are getting hundreds is because the pace we bat at they'd have to be out there 2 days to reach triple figures!
It's a terrible side and in some ways I'm glad that the cracks have truly ripped open. The teams been pathetic since the summer of 2011 and this has been coming a long while - far too long has this side got by on one or two players bailing out the entire side. Scrap Cook as captain - he's a terrible captain and its affecting his batting, get rid of Pieterson and Prior out the side who are living off past glories now too. Bowling wise i'm not too sure what they can do but Anderson's not the wicket threat he was anymore, that's the biggest problem, whilst we have no consistent 3rd option. Bresnan isn't the answer, and Finn seems ruined by these attempts at changing his run up.
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The mentality in this team is all wrong, the Aussies have been good but the same things happen against all countries nowadays.
Bowling wise every single team's tail puts on a strong show against us, gives the opposition far better scores than they should have. I get the feeling that they must just think the job is done or something, because its literally every single game now that they can't remove the tail. Usually they get smashed all over the place too.
Batting wise its just pathetic, far too negative. Dullest side to watch in the world and not even effective at it. Our batsmen basically just eat up overs till they nick one or get out LBW. The reason none of them are getting hundreds is because the pace we bat at they'd have to be out there 2 days to reach triple figures!
It's a terrible side and in some ways I'm glad that the cracks have truly ripped open. The teams been pathetic since the summer of 2011 and this has been coming a long while - far too long has this side got by on one or two players bailing out the entire side. Scrap Cook as captain - he's a terrible captain and its affecting his batting, get rid of Pieterson and Prior out the side who are living off past glories now too. Bowling wise i'm not too sure what they can do but Anderson's not the wicket threat he was anymore, that's the biggest problem, whilst we have no consistent 3rd option. Bresnan isn't the answer, and Finn seems ruined by these attempts at changing his run up.
Good post mate, I'll only disagree on a couple of points ;) Pietersen must play and Anderson is the best bowler in the world in English conditions and easily in the top ten away from blighty.
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We have been appalling, not just the case that the Aussies have bowled well but some of the shots that we have played have been very very poor. Their will be a lot of questions at the end of this series. Matt Prior has been on a very poor run for some time now. I dont know why none of Tremlett, Finn or Rankin have not played in this Test match.
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I would agree with, Dan. We've papered over the cracks and now we're getting exposed.
Time for some changes after this series has been wrapped up. Out with the old and in with the new.
In the opening three test matches, they have embarrassed our shirt against what is a mediocre Australian side.
Just think of the damage that could be happening had McGrath, Warne, Ponting, Hussey, Hayden and Langer been facing this lot of bottle jobs.
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This makes for horrendous viewing:
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Aussies putting England to the sword. No chance of England winning here at the WACA draw at best! but can only see the Aussie bowling them out early by the 4th morning.
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251-5 England, at last some fight and very positive batting. Ben Stokes batted beautifully a great timer of the ball and the took on Johnson and played some great shots 72 no. Ian Bell played very well for 60 too. We may lose this series but one big plus is Ben Stokes, very early yet in his career and development but for a player who got so much flack when he came out to bat in the last Test to then perform like this is very good.
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Ben Stokes showing the senior players how to do it.
I've become fed up of Kevin Pieterson - the remainder of this series has gone. I'd actually give Gary Ballance the opportunity alongside Jonny Bairstow ahead of Matt Prior (depending on his score in this innings), Panesar in for Swann and Finn in for Stuart Broad if he's injured.
A lot of talk has been mentioned about Sam Robson and his potential to fit into the England side - another thing which was viewed as a positive was Jos Buttler's move to Lancashire to allow him to take up the gloves permanently - he has a lot of learning to do, however if England are going to opt for him in the test match environment.
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Anderson hasn't shown enough since mid summer at home. He really looks as though something's missing competitively. Wish Onions was there to replace him.
Broad if fit is the only bowler guaranteed a place for me. I do think that the bowlers are just as much to blame as the batsmen who have copped most of the flack.
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In fairness to the bowlers and I'm not denying that they have been poor, but this is their first poor series in an awfully long time. They have been carrying the side for quite a while, covering up our inability to bat.
There was always going to be a problem when the bowlers weren't taking wickets or containing the opposition and unsurprisingly, it's highlighted our glaring weaknesses with the bat.
Australia isn't really made for a Graham Onions type bowler - it was either him or James Anderson - then again, I don't think he would have done any worse than Anderson or Tremlett who have both flattered to deceive on this tour.
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Having been quite lucky at vital times during the series in England the England camp + 'informed' commentators, aka Ian Botham, seemed to think it was going to be easy.
The arrogance has been well and truly knocked out of them.
Prior and Swan's time is probably up likewise Pietersen, 8000 test runs or not, is a nightmare to manage so has to go to.
Bairstow is nowhere near a good enough wicketkeeper for test level, Butler is and useful with the bat too so give him go and if Alistair Cook has had enough of the captaincy give the job to Ian Bell.
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Prehaps questions should be asked over Andy Flower. His job as Head Coach is surely to motivate and this does not appear to be happening. The Aussies wanted it more, England got rattled by ths sledging and therefore bottled it.
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Their is an uncertainly about Andy Flowers contract could be an issue. From 2009 till the summer as a team we have played some great Cricket. The bowlers haven't performed but when you don't have runs to play with it does change as you cant build pressure on batsmen.
Although I'm really disspointed with the result and manner of the defeat I think we will have some changes happening soon. Stokes looks really good, once Root is in the middle order and Bell is at three we will be a better batting side.
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Prehaps questions should be asked over Andy Flower. His job as Head Coach is surely to motivate and this does not appear to be happening. The Aussies wanted it more, England got rattled by ths sledging and therefore bottled it.
I think the likelihood was that, regardless of who won this Series, that Andy Flower would probably be leaving at the end of it. Our hammering so far will only cement that, in my opinion. He was asked the question regarding his future at the end of the summer series and refused to give a definite answer about whether he was involved for the long term. With Ashley Giles taking up the reigns in the one day games, it wouldn't surprise me to see him being awarded with the position for all three facets of the game.
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Graeme Swann has retired from all forms of cricket.
Slightly surprised at the timing of the decision but nothing surprises me on this farce of a tour.
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Wonderful player arguably our best ever spinner, perhaps Laker would have something to say about that but nobody else. He leaves a massive hole in the team. Nothing odd about the decision the series is gone, gives another spinner much needed experience down under.
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Wonderful player arguably our best ever spinner, perhaps Laker would have something to say about that but nobody else. He leaves a massive hole in the team. Nothing odd about the decision the series is gone, gives another spinner much needed experience down under.
Well it'll just be Panesar who takes over for this series now. Panesar's not the future but given the horrific performance Kerrigan gave on his debut, I wouldn't be too surprised if he's the main spinner going into the summer series either, though hopefully Kerrigan will be given a chance in the Sri Lanka tests.
Still, the team does feel stale, it could do with a new era, although it'll take a couple of years for the new guys to bed in.
Cook, Root, Bell, Ballance, Taylor, Stokes, Bairstow (wk), Broad, Meaker/Mills?, Finn, Kerrigan.
Something like that for the side for the return Ashes. Although the selectors don't seem to like Taylor too much for whatever reason, maybe that Sam Robson instead who seems rated. Likewise hard to select a 3rd seamer, Mills they seem to rate as a genuine pace option but he's got someway to improve yet.
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Re: the spinner. They can call anyone in the world up if they want.
Cook will rightly lose the captaincy after this series and there will be no dropping of either Pietersen or Anderson (our two best players) also more likely Buttler will be the next long term wicket keeper, not a batsman having a go at it.
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Re: the spinner. They can call anyone in the world up if they want.
Cook will rightly lose the captaincy after this series and there will be no dropping of either Pietersen or Anderson (our two best players) also more likely Buttler will be the next long term wicket keeper, not a batsman having a go at it.
They can but they're hardly going to include a second spinner in the squad then call somebody up over him when its actually his chance to play. Panesar's a certainty to start these next two tests (unless he gets injured anyway).
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Swann was a great player for us, and it will be a shame to see him go. However it will look like Monty will be around for a few more years yet. I very much doubt that Cook will lose the captaincy as this is the first series that he has lost as captain out of five.
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I wonder if Swann was informed he was going to be dropped and then decided to call it a day - that of course is heresay but I cannot deny that it is a very selfish decision. If he was planning to retire at the end of the series but has since moved it forward because the series is lost, then yet again, that is a very selfish decision. You can bet your bottom dollar that this wouldn't be happening had we been leading the series. Everything that could possibly have gone wrong in this series has gone wrong.
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I don't think much of Swann's decision. When you make yourself available for a tour you shouldn't just retire half way through. If you're injured or ill then fair enough pull out but otherwise you should see out the full tour and back up your team mates whether in the team or out of it.
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Re: the spinner. They can call anyone in the world up if they want.
Cook will rightly lose the captaincy after this series and there will be no dropping of either Pietersen or Anderson (our two best players) also more likely Buttler will be the next long term wicket keeper, not a batsman having a go at it.
Anderson has been a pale shadow in his last 6 tests - he's not un-droppable. Bell has been our best batsman over the last 12 months. Butler has moved to Lancashire to work on his keeping as he wasn't keeping wicket much for Somerset. He's a talent but is he ready to be keeper in 5 day tests ? - no.
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This very good England side over the last four years is breaking up. I still think Jos Buttler will be the ODI keeper. I don't see the end of Matt Prior as I think he will come good again. I think if Swann felt that his body couldn't do it now then why didn't he retire at the end of the summer.
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Another batting horror show! All out for 179. Aussies on 30-0 needing 200 to win.
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Another easy win for the Aussies 233-2 makes it 4-0.
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Simply shocking to be 50-0 at lunch to 179 all out was poor,we had a great chance to win this Test Match and we have been beaten easy. Lets hope we can salvage something at Sydney but even that looks very unlikely.
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England lost 8 wickets for seven runs.
They are an absolute disgrace. They are worrying themselves that much against Mitchell Johnson that they are now getting out to ridiculous shots against an average spin bowler.
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England lost 8 wickets for seven runs.
They are an absolute disgrace. They are worrying themselves that much against Mitchell Johnson that they are now getting out to ridiculous shots against an average spin bowler.
Exactly! Some of the shots you would not expect only from a pub team tailender ???
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I think Cook needs to look at himself yesterday, his use of his bowlers was very poor.
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I think Cook needs to look at himself yesterday, his use of his bowlers was very poor.
I was going to point this out. To give Joe Root two separate spells ahead of the chosen spinner Monty Panesar is ridiculous. What sort of message does that send out? More annoyingly for me was our bowling at Nathan Lyon the other morning. Why were we persisting with the short ball? Let's bowl line and length and get the ball in an around the stumps.
His captaincy deserves to be criticised but he will no doubt keep the role.
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Cooks captaincy has been very poor this series. We bowled far too much short stuff to Lyon, line and length and bowl at the wickets. The bowling this series has been good at times but we simply haven't had the runs to back up the bowlers. This has been the worse series that we have had in a long time. Hopefully we can get something positive in Sydney.
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The entire team needs a revamp really. Too stale, the batting has been awful since the India home series in 2011 really, particularly away, where with the exception of the India away series its been utterly shambolic. Not only are they awful at batting they're the most boring batting side in the world too, virtually every match is a run rate below 3, often down to around 2.5.
The worst part of the team for me though this series has been the fielding - the only reason for such poor fielding is laziness and not taking the practice serious. Even yesterday another 2 easy catches put down. As much as the bowling has been bad, with the amount of catches being put down every single innings we're essentially asking the bowlers to take about 5 extra wickets per innings.
Flowers and the coaches like Gooch need to go. Cook needs to go as captain as our best batsmen is now a liability and his decisions are always conservative - England need a captain like Clarke. Broad I think would take over and be a much more aggressive style, but its highly unlikely Cook will give up the captaincy. Away from that i'd say the selection needs a shake up but a lot of the replacements are questionable - we've seen with Bairstow he's not up to standard (his glove work has been poor too), so can we drop Prior? Any talk of Jos Buttler is far too premature, anyone who saw his batting in the ICC champions trophy where he was repeatedly bowled by the most innocuous of balls can see he's a long way to go before ever playing test cricket.
This is for me the worst result in England's history. That they're on the verge of whitewash to a Australia team they just beat 3-0, who have a good bowling attack, but are still a pretty poor batting side (Clarke is excellent but the rest range from average to poor), and what's more, haven't been competitive in a single game.
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Changes expected for England - Borthwick, Ballance and Rankin expected to be given debuts.
Our middle order will consist of rookies.
Good luck preventing the white wash, lads.
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Changes expected for England - Borthwick, Ballance and Rankin expected to be given debuts.
Our middle order will consist of rookies.
Good luck preventing the white wash, lads.
They can't do any worse than what they're replacing. 4 for 6, 5 for 9 etc. Hopefully one or two of them show a bit of character and grasp the nettle.
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Just when you think this Tour couldn't get any worse 155 all out we trial by 311 runs only on day too. I think its time for Kevin Pietersen to end his career now he has been so poor, he has always been a player who never really gets into form as for a player of his quality he does get a lot of low scores. Ben Stokes has looked very promising and is certainly one for the future. Broad has done ok on this tour.
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Just when you think this Tour couldn't get any worse 155 all out we trial by 311 runs only on day too. I think its time for Kevin Pietersen to end his career now he has been so poor, he has always been a player who never really gets into form as for a player of his quality he does get a lot of low scores. Ben Stokes has looked very promising and is certainly one for the future. Broad has done ok on this tour.
Pietersen is the top England run scorer in the series. I can think of about 9 other players I'd rather get rid of.
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I wouldn't expect 23/5 in School cricket.
I feel for KP in some way. He has carried a lot of the flak and many of the others have gone unscathed when their performances have been just as bad if not worse.
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Australia have bowled far, far better than us and despite having an unspectacular batting line-up they have obviously batted far better than us.
As a couple of times in the past, we have to go back to the drawing board and number one priority is working out how to produce genuine 90 mph bowlers. Johnson has changed the whole picture and Harris and Siddle have been intelligent backing him up.....and Lyon has been better than any of our spinners.
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I believe many years ago the late Tony Grieg described i think it was New Zealands poor bowling against England as 'Cafeteria' bowling. I think its fair to say that Englands batting could be described as 'Cafeteria'.
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Another pathetic surrender. All out for 166. Feel sorry for the people who paid good money to watch this rubbish.
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Well thankfully that is all over, as I couldn't bear another day of that series. Only Stuart Broad and Ben Stokes can take anything away from that series as positive, the rest were an utter shambles. Too many changes cost us in games, the amount of poor shots that batsmen played was unbelievable. Things like Joe Root batting at three, Cook's captaincy at a lot of times during the series was very poor too. On the flip side I am looking forward to this new England team, Stokes, Ballanace, Borthwick, maybe Bairstow. Hopefully we can learn from this and when they come in 2015 we can get revenge.
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hmmm I don't think we'll bother revisiting our pre series predictions :-X At least I don't think any of us were as far out as Botham's 5-0 England.
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hmmm I don't think we'll bother revisiting our pre series predictions :-X At least I don't think any of us were as far out as Botham's 5-0 England.
That's the worst thing about the whole sorry tour, even the most partisan Aussies didn't see it coming. Lunch on the first day of the first test seems like years ago :(
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Going back to the first day of the Brisbane Test Match the Aussies were 140-6. In the second, third test and fourth matches we got their top order out quite cheaply in the first innings. At least we can hopefully look forward to a new England team some new players and hopefully a very bright future.
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Like botham said. Embarrassing
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I've never been so ashamed to follow England in cricket - this defeat, or hammering is far worse than the white wash defeat we suffered in 06/07.
I've seen a lot of people talking about 're-grouping'. For me, the word we need to use is 're-building'.
This is an average Australian side and they have beaten us comfortably. I think we'll see the true hallmark of their attack when they face South Africa in the not to distant future. It's at that point when we'll find out whether they were very good or whether England's batting was just diabolical.
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The reason it is so much worse than 06/07 is because the team is no where near as good. Only Clarke would get in the 06/07 team. Maybe Johnson for Gillespie at a push.
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Start again is what we need to do and pick what the selectors view as the best team and give it a chance to gel. Over the past six months we have had six debutantes. I feel that its far too many. We have an awful lot of Cricket coming up especially ODIs. My team for the summer series would be
Cook C
Carberry
Bell
Pietersen
Root
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Bresnan
Panaser
Anderson
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Start again is what we need to do and pick what the selectors view as the best team and give it a chance to gel. Over the past six months we have had six debutantes. I feel that its far too many. We have an awful lot of Cricket coming up especially ODIs. My team for the summer series would be
Cook C
Carberry
Bell
Pietersen
Root
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Bresnan
Panaser
Anderson
Thats pretty much the team who have just been hammered 5-0
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I feel Panesar and Carberry will see their chances limited at international cricket from now on. Age doesn't do them any favours and both didn't impress on the tour - despite Carberry being our second highest run scorer. The interesting dilemma is what they do with Joe Root considering he has been poor in both series' and ended up being dropped for the final test.
Cook, (new player), Bell, Pietersen, Ballance, Stokes, Prior, Broad, Borthwick, (new player), Anderson.
Tim Bresnan, Chris Jordan, Jamie Overton, Tymal Mills, Stuart Meaker and Steven Finn will see the remaining bowling slot as there's and the shoot out will start for that. Boyd Rankin didn't cover himself in glory in the final test and Chris Tremlett looked woefully short of the bowler who was such a force in 2010. Borthwick will need to prove himself further as a spinner and I would imagine he will get the chance to do that considering Kerrigan got booted around The Oval on his debut. Although he is slightly raw the option of having Pietersen and Root chip in as spinners allowing Borthwick time to enhance his game at Durham is another option.
As for the new batsman. Sam Robson and James Taylor have both been muted but none are really going to be considered as test openers so the onus will probably fall on Joe Root to make that position his own. Robson and Taylor will then fight Gary Ballance for the remaining slot assuming Kevin Pietersen has the hunger for the game.
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I think Onions should get a fair crack now. Fact is he is comfortably a better bowler now than any of the 'prospects'. He's only 31 (3 years younger than Ryan Harris) so will hardly be past it for the Ashes in 2015.
I think he would have bowled well on some of the wickets in Australia especially Sydney where there was quite a bit of seam movement.
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Graham Onions always gets overlooked and I always feel its worth having a bowler like him around as he offers something different and I think specially in England he is very effective.. We do have a lot of big 6"5 plus seamers. His test stats are pretty good 32 wickets in nine tests at just below 30.
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I cannot believe England lost that one Australia still needing 60 runs to win with i wicket left. Bring them home and flog them now
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It was appalling we should have won that game. Our best chance to salvage something and now the ODI series has gone. Chris Jordon has looked pretty good so far and Jos Buttlers batting has improved which are postives. I bet those players cant stand been out in Australia for another day.
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As they say, Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory
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A shambles in all forms of the game.Heads must roll
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A shambles in all forms of the game.Heads must roll
and they have. Andy Flower gone
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and they have. Andy Flower gone
Not really a suprise there. England are quite frankly shocking at the moment.
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Firstly I would like to say thanks for all the great work that Flower has done, the last two months have been nothing but shocking, but winning the Ashes three times with him in cage, winning in India, drawing in South Africa, and thrashing a lot of teams at home and getting number one in Test Cricket. Overall Andy Flower has done a great job. I'm looking forward to a new era of English Cricket.
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Now KP's head has rolled - England career over.
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Now KP's head has rolled - England career over.
Whoever they bring in to replace him will be a pale imitation; an absolutely shocking decision.
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A very poor decision, I still feel that KP has a lot to offer the team and he is only 33, Tendukler and Kallis played for another five or six years. Yes Pietersen had a poor series but so did everyone, a great innings is always around the corner with KP he has never been a player who gets in good form but you always knew that he was going to make a match winning or saving hundred.
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There's no doubt this is linked in with his character issues. During his England career he's fallen out with former coach Peter Moores, then there was the text the South Africans and reintegration episode and now he's obviously fallen out with Flower and God knows who else.
In his time, he's fallen out with Natal, Notts and Hampshire also.
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Its really good news that Jonathan Trott will be returning to Cricket and hopefully the England team. We had some decent performances on the short tour of the West Indies. Chris Jordon was excellent in the last T20 lets hope we make some progression in the world T20s.
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Despite Sundays awful batting performance at Durham, I've seen one or two positives from England recently. Chris Jordon and Harry Gurney have looked very impressive so far. Gary Ballance also has a lot of talent too. I do think that Jordon will make his debut in the test series later, also pleasing to see Ben Stokes and Stuart Broad back playing for there counties too Yesterday.
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Its a funny old game :)
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Freddie Flintoff coming out of retirement to compete in the Natwest T20 series for Lancashire this season.
Good money spinner for them. Be interesting to see whether he still 'has it'.
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I see the media love-in with Bopara is continuing when, to my mind, he rarely does well. Andrew Strauss was crowing about Bopara's innings yesterday, but scoring at a run a ball (with only 1 four) wasn't quick enough in the position we were in and meant that Buttler's undeniable heroics at the other end were doomed to fall short.
Bopara also went for 9 an over off his 4 overs. I just don't get all the hype I'm afraid.
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For a player of his experience and I think quality he should be making more runs for England. I did think that he did a good job Yesterday running well and giving good support for Jos Buttler to be the main aggressor.
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I see the media love-in with Bopara is continuing when, to my mind, he rarely does well. Andrew Strauss was crowing about Bopara's innings yesterday, but scoring at a run a ball (with only 1 four) wasn't quick enough in the position we were in and meant that Buttler's undeniable heroics at the other end were doomed to fall short.
Bopara also went for 9 an over off his 4 overs. I just don't get all the hype I'm afraid.
I disagree. Bopara's innings yesterday was exactly what was needed. Someone to help keep the scoreboard ticking over and to get Jos Buttler on strike as much as possible. Bopara, in the last twelve months or so has looked a much more accomplished international cricketer from the man who used to look like a rabbit in the headlights when he first started out. He is also very handy with the ball but like many of the England attack he had a very poor afternoon with the ball. If there is a criticism of Ravi Bopara then it's the fact he doesn't finish enough games for England like he does for Essex. He, quite often gets himself and England into a good position but doesn't see the job through.
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Quite looking forward to seeing this new England team on Thursday. Hopefully Liam Plunkett will come back a much better bowler and also looking forward to how Robson, Ali and Jordon will get on. I feel this is a big year for Joe Root I think he has to really kick on now. It would be good to see Cook and Prior getting runs too and for us to make some big scores too been a long time since we made 400 in a Test match.
Come on England.
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Well done to Joe Root.Double hundred
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Well done to Joe Root.Double hundred
Yep brilliant innings by the young lad.
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It was a great knock from Joe Root today also very pleasing to see the likes of Chris Jordon and Liam Plunket giving the ball a whack too. Really pleasing that we got a massive total its been long overdue. A lot of hard work for us to do tomorrow, hopefully we can make some early inroads.
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I just hope and pray they leave him at number five in the order.
The lad has been messed around enough by his constant jockeying around the order. Let him settle at number five where he looks comfortable and more importantly has scored runs.
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Joe Root does look at his best at number five. Shame we couldn't take that final wicket Yesterday. Jimmy Anderson looked top class and back to his best Yesterday. Chris Jordon on debut looks very impressive, I also thought Ali played well too. Gary Ballance made a great hundred. Still early days yet but this young team looks good and played some very exciting Cricket.
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Oh Dear Anything England failing its nation at the moment
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I was really gutted, however well played Sri Lanka, and Ali that was a great knock. England had a lot of chances to have won this series 2-0 should have declared earlier at Lords and in this Test we should have extended the lead by another 50 odd runs. Lets hope we can turnaround this awful form we have shown with a win over India.
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Horrible way for the series to end in the minute after getting so close to the draw.
The draw would have been a little crumb of comfort anyway because in the position we were in on Saturday afternoon, no way should we have gone on to lose the test match. To be bowled out for 365 after being 311-3 is incredibly poor and is without doubt the session which has proved so costly. That evening session should have been the session which batted Sri Lanka out the game but for some inept batting (once again) we threw that hard worked position away.
Really feeling for Alastair Cook too - he's in a tough predicament at the moment. Been given the task of turning around around English cricket at a time where his own form is incredibly poor. He is however a top class batsman and it won't be long before he turns around his form. It would be nice however if he could receive just a bit of backing rather than the constant sniping at not only his form but captaincy too.
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Looks like things are going to get worse before they get better - a humiliating loss to India who very rarely win away from home, especially in England. The fact England are being bounced out by the likes of India and Sri Lanka on their home tracks is concerning.
Unsurprisingly, the calls of Alastair Cook's retirement of the captaincy are getting stronger and it's becoming hard not to disagree. England need his batting a lot more than his captaincy. If Cook had any balls about him he would drop the "best friends" image and drop Matt Prior and Stuart Broad because both are neither fit enough for test cricket at the moment - you can also add Ben Stokes to that list as well because for an all rounder he isn't producing either, certainly with the bat.
I would give Cook the remainder of the series but he quickly needs to find a solution to his own problems, and the problems with the middle order otherwise he's starring down the barrel of another series defeat and a defeat I don't think he will recover from.
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Much better performance today from England - the highly criticised Alastair Cook made 95 very important runs. To play such an innings with the pressure, abuse and knives in the back he has been given was highly commendable and its a shame he couldn't reach the three figures that he so richly deserved. On a positive side, we're in a very commanding position which has been boosted yet again by the impressive Gary Ballance who has replaced Jonthan Trott with apparent ease. He has played six tests matches and now boasts three impressive centuries to his name. England have a really good chance to make a big innings score here - by god lets hope they take it.
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A perfect performance from England last week. The momentum has swung with England and I expect us to win this series 3-1. No Ishant Sharma for the fourth test who is by far the best of the Indian bowlers. We have done very well to not let Darwan and Kohli get big scores on this series so far. I was so pleased that Cook got some runs. Ballance looks a top quality player who can also go through the gears too.
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Superb start this morning, India 63-5 at lunch on day one, after being 8-4 at one point. Hopefully we can skittle them for less than 150 and then try and bat long
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Anderson has been wonderful this morning, best English bowler (in tests in England) of all time for me. Maybe Trueman touches him but nobody else.
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What an amazing turnaround from England it has been great to watch. India have totally collapsed since playing so well at Lords. I only see an England win at the Oval. James Anderson is simply world class it would be great if he could surpass Ian Botham's 383 wickets this week.
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Englands record at Lords aint very good is it.Obviously any visiting team raise their game at the home of Cricket
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26-3 great start for england
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36-5, nice one England
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77-7 now, hopefully we can get them out under about 120, if the tail wags slightly. Then bat long as the weather improves
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79-8 !!!!
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this test will be over in 3 days
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this test will be over in 3 days
that long??
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90-9. ok maybe 2 days
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Hopefully we can make 300-350, 200+ lead at least, then bowl them out again inside 3 days.
India look woeful, but confidence boosting wickets for woakes and jordan are great
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no chance.This pitch is too favourable for the bowler.We will get 150 tops
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Maybe 200 then, double what they get at this rate
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What an excellent day, Jordan and Woakes bowled really well today, and great to see Cook and Robson put on a good partnership at the end. I think we can make 350+ if we bat well in the opening hour, they will start to tire more.
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Watching the cricket against the West Indies, anyone spotted an Albion flag?
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Boycott not holding back seems very dissapointed with the whole set up.
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Even the far from outspoken Cook has mentioned the crazy disrespectful pre-series comment by Colin Graves (new ECB chairman) where he called West Indies a mediocre side (which is probably correct but publicly stating it before a series is silly). I quite enjoyed watching Bravo and Blackwood winning the game for the Windies last night.
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Watching the cricket against the West Indies, anyone spotted an Albion flag?
Yes
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Well that was rubbish. New Zealand and Australia must be licking their lips.
Few points on selection:
Trott should be dropped and replaced with Yorkshire's Adam Lyth.
Jos Buttler is batting too deep and should be above both Moeen and Stokes
Adil Rashid should have been given an opportunity - ahead of either Moeen or Chris Jordan.
Well done to the West Indies. I've actually enjoyed watching them.
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I thought it was a daft thing for Graves to come out and say before the series.
Postives Anderson's bowling a world class bowler. Cook getting a hundred was so pleased for him. Ballance and Root played well.
Negatives. Ali, Jordon and Stokes are all bit part players. Trott deserved another chance but it looks like its over for him. Lyth to come in for him. Buttler is wasted batting with the tail he is far to good of a player to bad so low. Broads batting, always loved watching Broad bat when he got on a role.
Taylor was exceptional for the WI Blackwood looks a fine player.
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Without of getting into the debacle of depression trott should have never been aloud back.
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Sir Geoffrey is not a happy bunny right now and its being added to by the announcement that Andrew Strauss is to be named the new Director of English Cricket
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I thought it was a daft thing for Graves to come out and say before the series.
Postives Anderson's bowling a world class bowler. Cook getting a hundred was so pleased for him. Ballance and Root played well.
Negatives. Ali, Jordon and Stokes are all bit part players. Trott deserved another chance but it looks like its over for him. Lyth to come in for him. Buttler is wasted batting with the tail he is far to good of a player to bad so low. Broads batting, always loved watching Broad bat when he got on a role.
Taylor was exceptional for the WI Blackwood looks a fine player.
Yes it would be the equivalent of JP stating 'if we don't beat a mediocre Villa side there will be questions asked' in the lead up to the game - Pulis would be fuming. Graves should leave any comments to the coach or captain.
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Without of getting into the debacle of depression trott should have never been aloud back.
Why not?
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He found fit to leave once during the ashes that's a decision you stick by unless a family member passes.
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Trott was obviously struggling - no way should we have left him there to the mercy of Mitchell Johnson.
I bet you felt the same about Marcus Trescothick as well didn't you?
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I think Trott has made the right decision by announcing his international retirement now. I admire him for attempting the comeback but I think it was always going to be difficult, time for him and England to move on now.
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Trott scored 3,835 runs in 52 Tests, averaging a very creditable 73.75 runs.
Not bad for a Warwickshire player ;D
Well done Jonathan, thanks for all your efforts.
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A very sad way for his international career to end. He has been a pillar in England's recent successes under Flower & Strauss. A solid, dependable batsman at number three too and often a man England could always rely on.
I hope he continues to play domestic cricket for Warwickshire. He will help us massively in chasing the County Championship crown if we can rediscover the Jonathan Trott of old.
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Trott was obviously struggling - no way should we have left him there to the mercy of Mitchell Johnson.
I bet you felt the same about Marcus Trescothick as well didn't you?
because D amato put it perfect for me on the subject of proffessionals but I won't get into an argument family death is completely the exception and rightly so, Boycott had more to say on cook today on sidenote cooks definitely touched a nerve lol.
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Only just caught up with this thread. My problem with Trott is this: He hid behind a very serious condition because he was afraid of Mitchell Johnson. On that same tour that Trott bottled a man named Kevin Pietersen kept on coming at the Aussies and walked away our top run scorer in the series. One has been made a scapegoat the other some kind of martyr. Totally the wrong way round, Trott should have never worn the shirt again, and I suspect he if was a Durham player or a Hampshire player he wouldn't be getting half the support he is on this forum. ;)
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Trott and KP are separate issues. Do you have any evidence that Trott was not depressed but just plain scared which seems to be what you are accusing him of ?
As for KP did he really keep on coming at the Aussies ? He was leading run scorer but was actually mediocre just marginally the best of a sorry bunch - he averaged under 30.
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Peter Moores sacked, cant say I'm not surprised. He should never have had the second change to have coached England.
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Welcome Michael Bevan ;)
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Welcome Michael Bevan ;)
Has he been appointed or is it just speculation /wishful thinking?
Might bring a bit of Ozzie grit with him if he is appointed
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Kevin Peterson on 250 not out, does he get on with Strauss
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Kevin Peterson on 250 not out, does he get on with Strauss
I think there's a mutual hatred between the two
Strauss referred to him as a 'c***t' last year on live television.
It was accidental but it was nothing we already knew.
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300 unbeaten.
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Fantastic knock and the highest of his professional career I think, but I can't see it making any difference to his selection, I think England have move on from KP, unfortunately.
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Has a meeting with Strauss tonight he's just said on ssn.
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another bad decision from the ECB
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Vaughan was right cricket should be fun pick your best players and leave it at that England just seem to complicate it to much with politics.
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Dropped four times...won't always be that lucky
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Dropped four times...won't always be that lucky
i wonder how many palms were greased,
(see what i did) :D
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I think its a disgrace and and insult how they have treated KP.
The new ECB chairman told him to give up his IPL contract and come play County Cricket to be considered for England, he does that and knocks a career best at the crease and then gets dropped again.
I rode the crest of the wave after the 2005 Ashes series and really started to enjoy cricket again....the ECB and its cronies found the best way to screw it all up.
KP just needs to keep scoring runs and they cant keep ignoring him or fans will start asking for heads to roll or not buy tickets anymore.
The ECB is draconian in the way it treats its best players and has been for over 30 years ive watched cricket
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I admit I am no great cricket fan, but
isn't KP
a) 34 years old
b) south african (lots of precedents i know)
c) a disruptive influence
d) historically more motivated by IPL cash than England caps
e) hugely talented.
My personal view he is not a team player and cricket is a team game. I wouldn't entertain him if i was a selector
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Saying he was dropped four times after making 355 is just ridiculous if you ask me, shame it couldn't be resolved got to move on now next test starts next Thursday I believe.
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To rule him out all together I feel is premature, however his form during his last 18 months of test cricket was poor by his own high standards and his average is currently the lowest it's ever been in test cricket I believe, albeit still hovering around 48.
Add that to the fact that the only decent thing going for the England side at the moment is a functioning middle order I think you'd be mad to disrupt the development of Ballance, Root, Ali and to a lesser extent Stokes and Buttler in order to shoe-horn him into the side. The only player there who could be pushed down the order is Moeen but the ECB are far from convinced that his bowling is of a good enough level to be our front-line spinner.
At this moment in time I don't think he'd get in the team, regardless of prior misdemeanor. Whether this is still the case following the Ashes in the summer and the winter tour of South Africa remains to be seen.
I still think Strauss is a bit of a knob, mind. The way Graves and the ECB have handled the last 18 months is nothing short of a joke. Interesting tweet from former South African captain Graeme Smith this morning if anyone saw it?
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Pietersen's his own worst enemy.
Should have kept his mouth shut, now way back for him.
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To rule him out all together I feel is premature, however his form during his last 18 months of test cricket was poor by his own high standards and his average is currently the lowest it's ever been in test cricket I believe, albeit still hovering around 48.
Add that to the fact that the only decent thing going for the England side at the moment is a functioning middle order I think you'd be mad to disrupt the development of Ballance, Root, Ali and to a lesser extent Stokes and Buttler in order to shoe-horn him into the side. The only player there who could be pushed down the order is Moeen but the ECB are far from convinced that his bowling is of a good enough level to be our front-line spinner.
At this moment in time I don't think he'd get in the team, regardless of prior misdemeanor. Whether this is still the case following the Ashes in the summer and the winter tour of South Africa remains to be seen.
I still think Strauss is a bit of a knob, mind. The way Graves and the ECB have handled the last 18 months is nothing short of a joke. Interesting tweet from former South African captain Graeme Smith this morning if anyone saw it?
About the "head boy making ECB a laughing stock again !"
Does make you wonder if KP is just pushing the buttons of english cricket to exact some sort of revenge ! Clever and effective if true!
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About the "head boy making ECB a laughing stock again !"
Does make you wonder if KP is just pushing the buttons of english cricket to exact some sort of revenge ! Clever and effective if true!
It's no surprise that KP has the South Africans onside. From a completely outside perspective it would come across as KP being punished for not being as sterile and functional as the rest of the squad Flower created, that was his way. His face fitted when it was all going well, the second it fell apart he became the scapegoat despite being nowhere near the worst performer.
The previous regime will move into the next as long as Strauss (Flower MK II) in particular has a say behind the scenes. Cook I like, and should be taken out of the spotlight a bit given his return to form. I genuinely don't think AC has had much of a say in this.
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I admit I am no great cricket fan, but
isn't KP
a) 34 years old
b) south african (lots of precedents i know)
c) a disruptive influence
d) historically more motivated by IPL cash than England caps
e) hugely talented.
My personal view he is not a team player and cricket is a team game. I wouldn't entertain him if i was a selector
a) he is 34
b) he was born in South Africa yes but considers himself English...and he is our highest scorer in all formats (he is not South African and if it is to be used against him now then it should have been used against him when he first started playing)
c) rumours are that he can be disruptive......rumours also tell us that many of the players in the squad were very close to him and didnt feel he was, there are also rumours that others in the squad bullied him...believe what you will
d) too become the highest scorer in all formats takes a lot of games and a lot of dedication also him giving up his IPL contract to concentrate on county cricket to put himself back in the England squad kind puts that story too bed....load of rubbish that is!
e) best batsman England has still
as for your quote of not a team player....I didnt see anyone calling him out when we won The Ashes in 2005??
you need mavericks and individuals in any squad, you need players that can and do deliver on the big stage when called upon.
Its a disgrace and the ECB and its selectors should be ashamed of themselves for treating English crickets greatest batsman of all time in such an insulting manner
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I respect KP for what he has done for English Cricket and for what he has achieved whilst playing for England, he was a breath of fresh air, a fearless warrior with a belligerent attitude, loved it.
Here is a man that has stood up to the most sever of examinations of his mental and physical strength in some of the most hostile of sporting venues and non more so than the MCG, I for one find it difficult to accept that a man of that character would allow himself to be bullied, but I don't know all that went on in the England dressing room.
Sadly, I think it's too late for KP now, but I will always have and treasure memories of his time as an England Cricketer, nothing will diminish that for me.
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If he was an aussie or a south african he would be playing. That says it all.
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He has been a nuisance throughout his career and those at the ECB have had enough.
He's created many of his own problems - granted the ECB haven't been squeaky clean.
Falling out with the head coaches, texting opponents, resigning from one day cricket so he can feather his own nest in the IPL and then writing a book which did nothing but criticise his 'team-mates'.
It's not hard to see why Strauss doesn't want him back.
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Yes the book is the type of thing a player would do when his career is finished and he knows he's not going to share a dressing room with those players again. To expect to return and all things to be rosy in the dressing room is asking a bit much.
Unfortunately he's ended up very unpopular in every team he's played for.
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He has been a nuisance throughout his career and those at the ECB have had enough.
He's created many of his own problems - granted the ECB haven't been squeaky clean.
Falling out with the head coaches, texting opponents, resigning from one day cricket so he can feather his own nest in the IPL and then writing a book which did nothing but criticise his 'team-mates'.
It's not hard to see why Strauss doesn't want him back.
I think it's more the ECB and rumour has it, that's if you believe rumours, that Stewart and Vaughan tuned the job down because they wanted KP to play.
Although Strauss does have issues with KP and begs the question whether skill, ability and form should be the overriding artiber in sport for the sake of the fans.
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Strauss comes out of this very badly. Pick your best players, of which, Pieterson is one.
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Strauss comes out of this very badly. Pick your best players, of which, Pieterson is one.
Unless the decision has been taken by someone above the head of Strauss. The whole thing stinks of politics to me.
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Unless the decision has been taken by someone above the head of Strauss. The whole thing stinks of politics to me.
What a mess to go into a test next Thursday I have a funny feeling that rumour is correct only because I know Stewart and Vaughan would of picked him so I agree completely stinks the place out this decision.
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a) he is 34
b) he was born in South Africa yes but considers himself English...and he is our highest scorer in all formats (he is not South African and if it is to be used against him now then it should have been used against him when he first started playing)
c) rumours are that he can be disruptive......rumours also tell us that many of the players in the squad were very close to him and didnt feel he was, there are also rumours that others in the squad bullied him...believe what you will
d) too become the highest scorer in all formats takes a lot of games and a lot of dedication also him giving up his IPL contract to concentrate on county cricket to put himself back in the England squad kind puts that story too bed....load of rubbish that is!
e) best batsman England has still
as for your quote of not a team player....I didnt see anyone calling him out when we won The Ashes in 2005??
you need mavericks and individuals in any squad, you need players that can and do deliver on the big stage when called upon.
Its a disgrace and the ECB and its selectors should be ashamed of themselves for treating English crickets greatest batsman of all time in such an insulting manner
I'm not sure where people are finding their stats from but, I also heard this mentioned on the radio today.
Pietersen is only the highest scorer in T20. He's nowhere near the highest scorer in Test or ODI Cricket.
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There's no doubt that Graves has made a pigs ear of it so far......and he doesn't officially start as ECB chairman until 2 days time. We've had the 'mediocre West Indies' comment and the public statement about KP playing county cricket and making runs to get back in the England setup. So far seems to be a chairman who likes to be in the news.
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I'm not sure where people are finding their stats from but, I also heard this mentioned on the radio today.
Pietersen is only the highest scorer in T20. He's nowhere near the highest scorer in Test or ODI Cricket.
If you add his runs across the 3 formats he has the most...
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There's no doubt that Graves has made a pigs ear of it so far......and he doesn't officially start as ECB chairman until 2 days time. We've had the 'mediocre West Indies' comment and the public statement about KP playing county cricket and making runs to get back in the England setup. So far seems to be a chairman who likes to be in the news.
I didn't realise his Chairmanship had not started - and there was me thinking that he ought to resign because his position is untenable?
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I didn't realise his Chairmanship had not started - and there was me thinking that he ought to resign because his position is untenable?
Yep officially takes over today at the ECB AGM
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I didn't realise his Chairmanship had not started - and there was me thinking that he ought to resign because his position is untenable?
It might well be after this summers internationals
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I see Pietersen's response is to straight away go running to the papers to criticise everybody again..
He doesn't learn any lessons does he?
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Its time. Make sure we beat New Zealand. Dickie ring that bell
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Its time. Make sure we beat New Zealand. Dickie ring that bell
Looks like its over before we start. 25-3 :o
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Great start to the Strauss era.
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I was being hopefull when i said lets beat New Zealand. 4 out now for 30
i suspect we wont win one single test this summer 0-7
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New Zealand have a very good attack for English conditions, Southee, Boult are good bowlers and Henry's looking pretty tidy as well.
As NZ have said themselves, they deserve more than just a 2 test series.
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Root and Stokes showing that if you're actually aggressive, not passive, while batting, you can get somewhere against good attacks.
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191-5 Ben Stokes out in the nervous ninties
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New Zealand have a very good attack for English conditions, Southee, Boult are good bowlers and Henry's looking pretty tidy as well.
As NZ have said themselves, they deserve more than just a 2 test series.
Two test matches isn't a series. I'm not a fan of series with an even number of games, should be restricted to three or five.
A horrible first hour or so for England has turned itself around a bit with Buttler in now and Ali and Broad who scores quickly to come. We need near 350 at least, NZ are dangerous if they get in.
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Again England find themselves relying on Joe Root to drag themselves out of a precarious position. Root is blossoming into a great batsman.
Also proves how important it is to have quick scorers and aggressive batsman like Buttler and Stokes in the side. England from a state of crisis have been dragged out the mire and into a pretty strong position with some progressive batting - far more exciting than the usual dross we muster.
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It's about taking the initiative. The guys on CricInfo were saying most of our top order got themselves out, they weren't beauties like what got Stokes (I think?). If you block, and block, and block, and you're nervous, you'll get out eventually and it won't be for very many.
The batsmen need to apply themselves better and make McCullum do something thinking with his field and choice of bowlers.
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England have been very conservative with the bat ever since I've been watching them - even their ODI sides are based on the conservative approach with mavericks like Stokes and Hales discarded. Strauss did have plenty of success using these methods though - they were painfully slow upfront but had the likes of Pietersen and Bell in the lower order to capitalise later in the day.
Stokes didn't get a particularly brilliant ball today - he just misjudged it - even Joe Root played at one he should have left.
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New Zealand have a very good attack for English conditions, Southee, Boult are good bowlers and Henry's looking pretty tidy as well.
As NZ have said themselves, they deserve more than just a 2 test series.
I think the New Zealand attack has been vastly oversold to be honest. Effectuve in limited overs cricket, but Southee really isn't anything special as his record against decent nations shows, Henry I don't really know much about in fairness, and their spinner is just the next in a long line of poor temporary replacements for Vettori. Only Boult I would say is really anything to shout about. And even his speed was well down today.
England have been very conservative with the bat ever since I've been watching them - even their ODI sides are based on the conservative approach with mavericks like Stokes and Hales discarded. Strauss did have plenty of success using these methods though - they were painfully slow upfront but had the likes of Pietersen and Bell in the lower order to capitalise later in the day.
Stokes didn't get a particularly brilliant ball today - he just misjudged it - even Joe Root played at one he should have left.
One of the great myths that has emerged from the world cup is that of the dropping of Ben Stokes being wrong. Stokes was genuinely awful for about 10 games in a row, possibly more. As in he was constantly getting out for under 10, and in very few of those games did he end up bowling his allotted overs, with his economy often being well in excess of 6. A all rounder who is no use with the bat or ball is not going to be selected. You can say he has talent and should have been taken but when someone repeatedly blows their opportunities for a year, well, the only thing to say is that Ben Stokes made himself unselectable. His was less a loss of form and what frankly looked (and may still turn out to be) genuine failings.
Also worth noting Hales' average of 21 with a strike rate of 77 from his 10 ODI's hardly screamed selection either.
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Wasn't suggesting Southee is a Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn or an Anderson but in the current test rankings.....
2nd Anderson
6th Boult
8th Broad
9th Southee
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Wasn't suggesting Southee is a Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn or an Anderson but in the current test rankings.....
2nd Anderson
6th Boult
8th Broad
9th Southee
The rankings aren't really much of an indication of talent though. You can creep up those lists pretty easily. Not too many months ago, the rankings indicated England had the best ODI bowling attack in the world.
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The rankings rely quite a bit on current form and I believe are weighted depending on who the opposition has been so must carry some weight.
Anyway my point is that the NZ attack is decent - not in the Oz class but decent.
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England have been very conservative with the bat ever since I've been watching them - even their ODI sides are based on the conservative approach with mavericks like Stokes and Hales discarded. Strauss did have plenty of success using these methods though - they were painfully slow upfront but had the likes of Pietersen and Bell in the lower order to capitalise later in the day.
Stokes didn't get a particularly brilliant ball today - he just misjudged it - even Joe Root played at one he should have left.
Having seen some of the wickets, I think I was on about Bell's dismissal. Shades of Anderson vs Michael Clarke, no?
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All out for 389 highest test score by a team that lost there first four wickets for 30 runs, good effort by the middle order.
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Having seen some of the wickets, I think I was on about Bell's dismissal. Shades of Anderson vs Michael Clarke, no?
Yes, absolutely zero Bell could have done about that really. How long is it since Stuart Broad last managed double figures with the bat in a test match?
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Cook needs an innings second time round.
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Cook needs an innings second time round.
Runs in the Caribbean have probably saved him from immediate pressure. Could do with a score to keep the press of his back heading into the Ashes.
Wonder what the odds on Root being named as captain before the end of the Summer are?
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Yes, absolutely zero Bell could have done about that really. How long is it since Stuart Broad last managed double figures with the bat in a test match?
I don't know the answer but was thinking the same myself.
When he first came onto the scene I was thinking 'Maybe we could turn him into a bowling all-rounder'. On recent form I think Jimmy should be asking to swap places!
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New Zealand approaching 100-0 at a touch over 3.5 an over. Worryingly nearly all of our wickets fell when the ball was relatively new, our middle-order made light work of batting on this pitch against the old ball, we've wasted 25 overs now. Need a wicket soon with McCullum, Williamson, Taylor and Anderson still to come.
Bowl like this against Warner, Clarke, Smith and we are in big trouble.
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Big session coming up if they move on to 260 odd without another wicket then tomorrow they can really free there arms ideally we want a couple more tonight .
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Holy moly how did we win that?!
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A great Test Match, after been 30-4 that was some recovery. Very rare for a team to make over 500 and lose a test. Stokes, Root, Broad, Cook stand out players throughout the test.
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Holy moly how did we win that?!
Im gobsmacked too. Would love to see the highlights of today's play.
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That has been a fantastic advert for test cricket
Cook, Stokes and Joe Root were brilliant yesterday and managed to put England in a commanding position. The rate of the run scoring - in particular from Stokes meant we had enough time today to get the required ten wickets.
Good to see England winning though - especially after the position we found ourselves in on the first morning. Also, a plus point was Alastair Cook's captaincy, his use of the bowlers and field placements - all of which seem to come off for him today. All in all, a fantastic way to start the summer.
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And what a catch by Moeen Ali to wrap things up, outstanding.
An all round good performance by England, New Zealand can consider themselves unlucky to lose this one as they contributed to a great game of cricket.
A mention for Alister Cook, he gave good batting and captains performances throughout.
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So it's Trevor Bayliss as the new coach. Sounds a pretty sensible appointment in fairness. Plus he's had Farbrace as his assistant when in charge of Sri Lanka. Farbrace seemed to fit in well while in charge for the last test.
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cricket is most definitely my second sport fast becoming my first. there is no better team spectical in any sport better than England v Australia
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Just my luck the Ashes Series is being played in England and I'll be in Oz. My son-in-law has a season ticket at the MCG that he never uses, but he renews it every year as they are like gold dust and swap hands for small fortunes, his father and brother also have season tickets that are hardly ever used.
So, when I next visit my new grandson, I'll make sure it's when the Ashes Series is in Oz and that will be around Christmas time as that's their summer.
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oh dear england 88-4
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Will do well to rescue this game now at 102-5 at lunch, 30 overs until the new ball and then 20 until the end of the test You would have to say we need a couple of three players to play well very well to have a chance of batting through.
On the whole it sounds as though one each would be a fair result shame theres not a decider been an exciting test we need to go away and think of whats best before the ashes and then take that into the series. Commentators sound the biggest bunch of idiots ever whether they have been legends of the game or not one minute everythings rosy the next we are a shambles no real sort of middle ground in there opinions.
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Which commentators are you referring too?
Cricket is blessed that the majority of commentators and analyists are very fair, balanced and are refreshingly honest. The team on Sky are by far the best around, across any sport.
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Came out very nicely after lunch positive and cook looks in very good nick, Watch me curse it now :D.
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166-7 with half an hour before tea, looks like just a matter of when now, Bring on the rain !
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They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.
time to drop Bell & Balance
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They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.
time to drop Bell & Balance
I don't know if you've ever been over there but sport is a religion to Kiwis. Hell, even the netball gets good attendance and shown on TV, and people actively take an interest in it.
I worked at a school over there and in Auckland they had a whole park with about 8 astro-wickets for schools to play their cricket matches on, and the school rugby matches are broadcast on TV too!
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I don't know if you've ever been over there but sport is a religion to Kiwis. Hell, even the netball gets good attendance and shown on TV, and people actively take an interest in it.
I worked at a school over there and in Auckland they had a whole park with about 8 astro-wickets for schools to play their cricket matches on, and the school rugby matches are broadcast on TV too!
whats our religion, politics no doubt :)
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They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.
time to drop Bell & Balance
I know very little about Rugby and maybe a bit more in cricket people will stick by the there outspoken and disruptive to the system team whatever but its safe to say our best players dont represent us in sports if you look past the politics thats a crying shame for me and happens alot in this country.
Good examples for just this summer :
Rugby
cricket
England under 21s
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They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.
time to drop Bell & Balance
Neither should be dropped - Ballance has looked composed so far in test cricket and is currently going through his first tricky series. He's currently averaging over 52 in test cricket and has proved so far to be a reliable number three. That is incredibly good going and if he finishes his career with an average of 53 then he'll be one of our finest batsman. Yes, he hasn't had a great series against New Zealand but we shouldn't be dropping him just yet - he like many others before him he should be allowed the opportunity to respond and iron out the weaknesses in his game.
As for Ian Bell - he's another going through a sticky period but the old adage class is permanent springs to my mind. Furthermore, in what is already an inexperienced side/middle order - Bell should remain on that front also.
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Whether it's the case that international bowlers now know a weakness in Balance's game or that he's just developed this weakness, he's not looking in a good place with the Aussies coming to town.
The Sky boys have pointed out that he's getting stuck well within his crease and unless he can get it sorted quickly (easier said than done), Johnson and Stark and Ryan Harris for that matter will be zooming in on that same thing.
He has done well overall so far but it's worrying when he keeps getting out in the same way.
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Whether it's the case that international bowlers now know a weakness in Balance's game or that he's just developed this weakness, he's not looking in a good place with the Aussies coming to town.
The Sky boys have pointed out that he's getting stuck well within his crease and unless he can get it sorted quickly (easier said than done), Johnson and Stark and Ryan Harris for that matter will be zooming in on that same thing.
He has done well overall so far but it's worrying when he keeps getting out in the same way.
Unless Ballance sorts out his technique he'll be dropped after the 3rd test with a summer average of about 15. Batting far to deep in the crease for a top order batsman. Late swing and it's all over.
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2 really interesting test matches - Well done to NZ in playing so positively and in such good spirit.
Brendan McCullum must be a great captain to play for.
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I am going to the one day game at Edgbaston on Tuesday, anyone else going?
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Regretting not going to this today - England are cruising to victory - first time we've said that in a while.
Fantastic performance with the bat - the best we will ever see from an England side. If only we could play with that mindset and positivity more often. What I found most impressive was the powers of recovery because at 202-6 I thought we were in for more of the same until Buttler and Rashid blasted them around the park.
Adil Rashid finishes with figures of 4-55 - he'll add to the pressure currently on Moeen Ali. Quite ridiculous that we never took a look at him in the West Indies given the pressures on Ali with an Ashes series looming.
Anyhow, enjoying this new look England.
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Just on my way back, what a fantastic days cricket i have witnessed it was a one of those, i was there when it happened games. Brilliant!!
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408-9! What an incredible score.
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Superb effort wish I had gone.
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Sounds as though it was a great day for England fans and cricket fans in general at Edgbaston.
Had I not been in Oz, I would have gone, typical they wait till I'm out of the country to break their previous ODI score of 391 against Bangladesh.
Well done lads, in particular Root and Butler.
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Lets hope this showing wasn't a one off and a genuine change in attitude to one day games has happened for the long term.
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Lets hope this showing wasn't a one off and a genuine change in attitude to one day games has happened for the long term.
lets hope the footballers follow suit on Sunday
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Sounds as though it was a great day for England fans and cricket fans in general at Edgbaston.
Had I not been in Oz, I would have gone, typical they wait till I'm out of the country to break their previous ODI score of 391 against Bangladesh.
Well done lads, in particular Root and Butler.
These pair were fantastic and have got most of the credit deservedly. However Adil Rashid with his 69 runs and 4 wickets hasn't really got much of a mention. He came in to bat at a critical time for England and batted superbly.
A great day's cricket, one I was pleased to have witnessed first hand.
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Just on my way back, what a fantastic days cricket i have witnessed it was a one of those, i was there when it happened games. Brilliant!!
I went and it was freaking great, the atmosphere was excellent (well done the hollis stand) and what a display.
Thought it was great having all the school parties there as well, I expect all of those kids will be begging to go to cricket again.
It was bloody cold in the shade though.
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Set us 399 to win hopefully we can get within 80 odd runs then onto the next match both teams first innings have put both matches to bed early.
We could also get fined for a slow over rate the commentator said.
Cricket as a sport is definitely going in the right direction.
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I went and it was freaking great, the atmosphere was excellent (well done the hollis stand) and what a display.
Thought it was great having all the school parties there as well, I expect all of those kids will be begging to go to cricket again.
It was bloody cold in the shade though.
tell me about it!!! I had my coat on all through the game but somehow still managed to burn my head!!!!
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What a great game of cricket, shame we were robbed of a potential win by the weather. Why has it taken 10yrs for the penny to drop, if that game was last year England would have batted the 50 overs and ended up 100 runs short.
I remember once Ravi Bopara chasing 240 against South Africa in a T20 match and letting the balls go by as if it was a test match, they never made any attempt whatsoever to win the game. At least this team seems to have discovered a winning mentality, long may it continue.
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The current series doesn't say much for either sides bowling. I'd have Jimmy Anderson in this team at number 11 all day long. Plunkett should be opening the bowling in the current line-up.
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I like Boult and Southee. I'd take both in our side at the moment.
Not sure Jordan, Plunkett and Finn are going to be the strikeforce to contain sides and take wickets.
McCullum's tactical captaincy whilst not nice was admirable. He knew the rain was coming and with England behind on the D/L he slowed the game down at every opportunity. Can't wait to see him in Warwickshire colours
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In other news - Warwickshire have just beaten Worcestershire (again) within two days :D
#YouBears
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350 to win come on England.
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Kane Williamson has just taken a brilliant catch.
Morgan and Root in now - England need a big partnership.
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What a fantastic run chase that was.
England win by seven wickets with seven overs remaining. Both Morgan and Joe Root hitting centuries. The turn-around we have witnessed in the previous four games is quite remarkable - seems that getting around 350 is slowly becoming the par in 50 over cricket.
I've thoroughly enjoyed this series - competitive, fierce, entertaining cricket played in the right manner between the two sides. I hope we invite New Zealand over regularly - a good advert for all forms of Cricket.
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Yessssssss fantastic from us makes me want to book a ticket soon as the next England one dayer at Edgbaston comes around looks great fun.
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Young & hungry is the key. well done england, lets go show them aussies now
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Been superb this series but I fear a reality check once the Aussies roll into town.
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Just won the T20 fixture against New Zealand. Another great performance.
Bring on the Aussies!
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play the one day side hit 350 / 400 per innings and we will win most test matches, naive view but possibly correct, thoughts???
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You don't have the same fielding restrictions in test cricket, most the time you'd get bowled out pretty quickly trying to bat like the one day teams do if you were batting like that to a test field.
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More people around the bat , meaning players seem to be more technically minded . Master of this one Geoffrey boycott . 2 different types of games
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Accept the fielding restrictions argument, but I would argue that a "bludgening" approach would soon push the field back, and this one day side would then profit.
If we don't try different things we will remain the same as all the rest, surely.
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Red ball swings/seams more, fields can adapt to scoring rate without restrictions aside from the banned leg theory. I'd love the Aussies to approach the test series like a T20, Anderson would have an absolute field day, 6 or 7 slips catching practice. If we tried it we'd be rolled for 150 tops in every innings.
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Red ball swings/seams more, fields can adapt to scoring rate without restrictions aside from the banned leg theory. I'd love the Aussies to approach the test series like a T20, Anderson would have an absolute field day, 6 or 7 slips catching practice. If we tried it we'd be rolled for 150 tops in every innings.
1 day tactics not T20 !
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Went to Edgbaston on Friday to watch Warwickshire against Derbyshire in their T20.
Thoroughly enjoyable night - Brendon McCullum is a fantastic cricketer. He ended up with 158 from 60 balls I think it was. Absolutely fantastic just to sit there and watch him wail the ball around all corners of the ground.
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Went to Edgbaston on Friday to watch Warwickshire against Derbyshire in their T20.
Thoroughly enjoyable night - Brendon McCullum is a fantastic cricketer. He ended up with 158 from 60 balls I think it was. Absolutely fantastic just to sit there and watch him wail the ball around all corners of the ground.
I went too, was an absolute pleasure to watch McCullum. First time I've been to watch the T20 there and it wont be the last as I had a great evening.
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I went too, was an absolute pleasure to watch McCullum. First time I've been to watch the T20 there and it wont be the last as I had a great evening.
Having said all that, we don't normally score that many :D
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I don't usually drink that much which is where most of the pleasure came from so I don't think a lack of runs will make much of a difference to my enjoyment of the night :D
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Ryan Harris is out of the Australian Test team following a knee injury that has also resulted in his retirement from the sport.
I feel sorry for Harris, who is 35 years old, as I always thought he was wholehearted player and will be missed by the Ozzies.
Harris will be replaced by Pat Cummins.
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lets hope the England team dont share the same sympathy, Good bit of luck for England Harris is quality no time to be feeling sorry for them as i can guarantee they wouldn't if it happened to us.
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Just purchased a ticket for day 4 at Edgbaston
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Ryan Harris is out of the Australian Test team following a knee injury that has also resulted in his retirement from the sport.
I feel sorry for Harris, who is 35 years old, as I always thought he was wholehearted player and will be missed by the Ozzies.
Harris will be replaced by Pat Cummins.
A lot gets made of the threat of Mitchell Johnson but Ryan Harris was always the one I was fearing.
He bowled beautifully in England in 2013 taking 24 wickets in four test matches and likewise bowled very well when the Aussies obliterated us 5-0 taking 22 wickets and still being over-shadowed by Mitchell Johnson. I remember he caused Alastair Cook no end of problems because of his consistency outside Cook's off stump.
They still have a lot of firepower elsewhere to cause us problems, however.
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42-2 Not a great start is it? :o
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43-3 is even worse.
Looking to Root again
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Rain will save us its in Wales , time to drop bell
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88-3 at lunch.
Another quick 40 or so after lunch from Root and Ballance and we're not in a bad position. It's tougher than it looks on a pitch where the ball stops in the pitch and doesn't come onto the bat. Once you get yourself in it will be much easier, which makes Cook's wicket even more disappointing.
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152-3 just need to keep these pair together a while
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Root is just a super talent wonderful player, Sissies have pinned him as the wicket to get and my God are they right.
Roooooot.
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Went into Melbourne last night for something to eat at the Queen Elizabrth Market, on the train back I was taking to an Ozzie about the cricket and he was lauding 43-3, I wonder how he feels this morning with the close of play score.
Would love to bump into him again, but only if we win :D
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Went into Melbourne last night for something to eat at the Queen Elizabrth Market, on the train back I was taking to an Ozzie about the cricket and he was lauding 43-3, I wonder how he feels this morning with the close of play score.
Would love to bump into him again, but only if we win :D
If I was an Aussie I'd be pretty satisfied. It could have been a lot worse and it took three good innings to rescue England. Last time we played them at Cardiff we got almost 400 first dig and then they went and scored nearly 700-6 and we only just saved the game. If they get us out cheaply this morning and the weather stays good, Warner, Clarke and Smith could get in and fill their boots.
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If I was an Aussie I'd be pretty satisfied. It could have been a lot worse and it took three good innings to rescue England. Last time we played them at Cardiff we got almost 400 first dig and then they went and scored nearly 700-6 and we only just saved the game. If they get us out cheaply this morning and the weather stays good, Warner, Clarke and Smith could get in and fill their boots.
If root and stokes could have stayed overnight we would be in a very good position. The pitch isn't doing anything for fast bowlers, never does in Cardiff so Anderson and especially broad will have to work hard for wickets later today
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Great start 265-7 now 2 quick wickets if we can skittle them out for 300 what a chance we would have.
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304-8 !!!
306-9 !!!
could be looking at a 125 run lead going into 2nd innings :D :D
308 all out, 122 lead, happy days !!
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That's a great start. Hopefully we can get to lunch and bypass this tricky period without loss.
Bat through to Lunch tomorrow and we should be in a commanding lead
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412 for an Aussie win and 2 days to get them.
This is building up to be an exciting climax
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This cricket stuff just bores me to tears, can't wait for the proper sports to begin ! ;)
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Been an enthralling test match.
England in a commanding position - some early inroads tomorrow would set the cat amongst the pigeons in the Aussie dressing room.
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This cricket stuff just bores me to tears, can't wait for the proper sports to begin ! ;)
That's fair enough but why look in on the "English Cricket Thread" if it bores you so much?
Why not leave thread space to the people who like the game?
Just saying :)
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Fair enough !! ;D
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Watching the cricket, Bumble is hilarious to listen too :)
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Aussies curently 151-7. 260 runs behind with 3 wickets remaining :D
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Johnson and Start showing the other Aussie batsmen how its done.
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Not so much Starc anymore :D
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Fair play to Johnson he's batted well. Need him out ASAP.
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Fair play to Johnson he's batted well. Need him out ASAP.
Just gone for 77. Good as over now.
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Just gone for 77. Good as over now.
All out for 242. Well done England, but the tail certainly wagged.
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Passion and pride, overpaid footballers take note
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Really happy with that - best start to the summer that was possible.
Whilst the Aussies have problems I won't start jumping the gun just yet like many appear to be - cricket has a funny way of biting you back on the backside.
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Amazing how quickly things can turn around. At the start of May it was hard to give England a sniff in this series yet now they are favourites.
Obviously there's more than one factor but Mark Wood has made a huge difference. I think it's given the whole team more confidence knowing they have effective pace backup to Broad and Anderson.
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Mark Wood reminds me of Simon Jones in 2005 young. hungry, unknown and very very quick.
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Was a very good start to the Series. Our top order didn't impress me too much, and it was a timely half century for Bell who is desperately out of form.
Root is quite simply our key man, if he keeps scoring us the big runs which he continues to at the moment I can see us winning the series quite comfortable.
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Mark Wood reminds me of Simon Jones in 2005 young. hungry, unknown and very very quick.
And he is very dangerous when the ball is reverse swinging. A very apt comparison.
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Second test at Lords tomorrow - Aussies have a good record for here.
Unfortunately for England it seems that both Shane Watson and Brad Haddin will be dropped with Mitchell Marsh and Peter Nevill coming in.
Moeen Ali will need a fitness test with Adil Rashid on stand-by.
It looks as though Mitchell Starc will be fit which is worrying because a Lords pitch with pace, bounce and movement will suit him very well.
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Second test at Lords tomorrow - Aussies have a good record for here.
Unfortunately for England it seems that both Shane Watson and Brad Haddin will be dropped with Mitchell Marsh and Peter Nevill coming in.
Moeen Ali will need a fitness test with Adil Rashid on stand-by.
It looks as though Mitchell Starc will be fit which is worrying because a Lords pitch with pace, bounce and movement will suit him very well.
The Lords pitch being quicker and bouncier than Cardiff makes Moeen Ali a big miss if he's injured.
If Rashid is unable to spin the ball on a green surface then we will greatly miss Moeen's batting. We effectively have a spinner who can't turn a ball and is a poorer batsmen than the man he replaces. Stands to be a much closer test this, avoiding defeat is key in this test as we always seem to do well at Edgbaston.
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The Lords pitch being quicker and bouncier than Cardiff makes Moeen Ali a big miss if he's injured.
If Rashid is unable to spin the ball on a green surface then we will greatly miss Moeen's batting. We effectively have a spinner who can't turn a ball and is a poorer batsmen than the man he replaces. Stands to be a much closer test this, avoiding defeat is key in this test as we always seem to do well at Edgbaston.
Luckily Ali is out fielding so hopefully he'll be fine
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David Warner there summed up in four balls. Two fours, nothing, gets out having a big wipe.
Wickets for Moeen again.
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Not a lot happening for us today then
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250 - 1 good batting wicket and two at the crease both on 100s. On for 500 plus at this rate.
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377-1 at close.
They're going to rack up an absolutely mammoth score.
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377-1 at close.
They're going to rack up an absolutely mammoth score.
I think we can safely say its 1-1. Best scenario we jam a draw.
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dont worry, root will get a double century. this test match will be a draw, the most boring wicket going this one
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Too many catches dropped, but by and large, if you look at the bowlers figures they bowled quite well. not a lot of life inn the wicket.
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Pitch already looking quicker and bouncier than yesterday, shame they've had a 100 over head start. Turns out it was a massive toss to win.
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A few wickets have gone down so it's 472-5 at the time of writing. Ozzies will be happy with 550+. If Smith gets his double century they'll be close to 500.
Broad was looking very handy in his last spell.
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I think its safe to say we wont win this one, but we shouldn't lose this one either
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25 for 2 going bad so far need to get through today only 2 down, 3 at most.
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4 down now.
Really poor batting this from England - Lyth setting the tone.
Ian Bell is looking horrendous at the moment - shame to see an elegant batsman looking all over the shop.
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pray for rain.
Amazing how we were all being told the pitch was a batting pitch only yesterday. Yes it is a batting pitch when you can actually f******g bat !! Our clowns make it look like a ploughed field !!!
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It helps when you have quick bowlers pushing 90mph. Wood, as good as he was in Cardiff, was too slow to merit inclusion in this test. Sky did a piece about how his front leg is now bending whereas at Cardiff it was straight.
All our bowlers were somewhere between 80 and 85, and it just wasn't rushing the batsmen. Johnson comes in and bowls 90+mph and funnily enough the pitch isn't half as bad as we were making it seem.
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It helps when you have quick bowlers pushing 90mph. Wood, as good as he was in Cardiff, was too slow to merit inclusion in this test. Sky did a piece about how his front leg is now bending whereas at Cardiff it was straight.
All our bowlers were somewhere between 80 and 85, and it just wasn't rushing the batsmen. Johnson comes in and bowls 90+mph and funnily enough the pitch isn't half as bad as we were making it seem.
Bowlers aren't the problem at all. On a pitch like this the only way to get wickets is either with the new ball or if the batsman gets themselves out. I would be very, very surprised if we don't go on to make 350+ even from this position because this is an extremely flat pitch. Our top order needs some work, Lyth is still finding his feet, Ballance also and Bell is woefully out of form. 2 of these 3 could easily be dropped, alas the next best player is deemed un-selectable.
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Bell is making a habit of getting out to very good balls...which is a bit unlucky. Interested by the bit Nasser Hussain did this morning though showing how he brings the bat down from a wider angle than he was a couple of years ago which seems to be making him more vulnerable.
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Really impressed with Ben Stokes - shame he has got out now though mind - England need a big partnership and a partnership to bat long. I can't see any of Ali, Buttler or the tail staying around long enough.
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Good morning apart from loosing Stokes
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Really impressed with Ben Stokes - shame he has got out now though mind - England need a big partnership and a partnership to bat long. I can't see any of Ali, Buttler or the tail staying around long enough.
Ali needs to bat as if he's back at no.3 and hang around with Cook. Bat long and aim for 350.
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Ali needs to bat as if he's back at no.3 and hang around with Cook. Bat long and aim for 350.
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Why 350 we need 367 to avoid the follow on
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Well this second innings performance is one of the most inept batting performances I have ever seen.
We have quite obviously asked for slow pitches to negate Johnson and yet still we're being bounced out.
Australia need 1 wicket - currently leading by 408.
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All out for 103 - bowled out in 37 overs.
Not expecting any changes yet but Jonny Bairstow scored another century this afternoon - increasing the pressure on Ian Bell, Gary Ballance and Adam Lyth.
I was looking forward to Edgbaston ::)
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England simply have to do something about the top 4. Cook is alright, but the other 3, at least 2 of them need to go. You simply cannot keep being 3 wickets down every innings for 30-40 runs and expect to win games. It's regardless of bowler quality, opposition, wicket. It's happened against West Indies, New Zealand, and Australia, it kept happening last summer too. Lyth just isn't very good, Ballance I like and his record prior to this was good but doesn't look comfortable against genuine pace so is pretty much useless against Australia, and Bell just looks useless against everything at the moment.
The bowling attack was pathetic too and pretty much gave up but they at least have one good game in the bank.
I'm unsure about Bairstow's mentality, much like the current batsmen he doesn't have the attitude you need to win the Ashes, that ability to dig deep. But his form deserves a chance, he's by far the most in form county batsmen so he should be in at a minimum. I'd also have Compton in for Lyth. England just need two openers who can see off the new ball, Compton is unspectacular but he does tend to stick around to see off the new ball, albeit scoring very slowly.
I do fear this team has had it now though, this was the exact kind of performance we saw in Australia. The team knew they'd lost one innings into the game and tamely accepted defeat.
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By bowling full and straight Australia have negated the pitch. Doesn't matter if it is a slow pitch if you pitch it up and send it down at 90+mph.
Agree with the others on here - top 4 needs a shake up. Maybe promote Ali and Root up the order to 3 and 4?
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There might be reservations on Bairstow's character but given he is in the form of his life and others are so woefully out of form then I'm afraid I would have him in the side like a shot. He has been impressive in the CC all season and has three centuries in his last three outings.
As for who opens - god knows. Where do we go there? We've tried a few and they don't appear to have worked at all. I keep hearing talk of Alex Hales coming into the side but that's not something that appeals to me at the moment.
The concern I have at the moment is our powers of recovery. We saw in Australia that we were scared of their hostile character and those wounds have been re-opened. We can make as many changes as we want but there are plenty of mental scars out there, and on a flat, slow deck they have been re-opened. My fear is that our second innings today might become a platform for the remainder of the series.
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All out for 103 - bowled out in 37 overs.
Not expecting any changes yet but Jonny Bairstow scored another century this afternoon - increasing the pressure on Ian Bell, Gary Ballance and Adam Lyth.
I was looking forward to Edgbaston ::)
All out for 103 - bowled out in 37 overs.
Im sorry but that is pathetic. I know the Aussies have a good record at Lord's but that is unacceptable.
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This would be my line up for the next game at Edgbaston.
Lyth
Cook
Root
Bell
Ballance
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson
Although Root is settled at 5 I think we need to move him up to 3 and try a stabilise the top order when we lose an early wicket. I don't think we should actually drop anyone for the next one, after all we did win the pervious test match!
It's clear to see though that at least 3 are out of form with Bell being out of form for a while. He would be the one I'd only think of dropping but I think we should keep him in as it is his home ground.
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This would be my line up for the next game at Edgbaston.
Lyth
Cook
Root
Bell
Ballance
Stokes
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson
Although Root is settled at 5 I think we need to move him up to 3 and try a stabilise the top order when we lose an early wicket. I don't think we should actually drop anyone for the next one, after all we did win the pervious test match!
It's clear to see though that at least 3 are out of form with Bell being out of form for a while. He would be the one I'd only think of dropping but I think we should keep him in as it is his home ground.
Lots of byes going through that team!!
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I don't see the benefit in moving the order around - the problems in terms of Bell and Ballance lie deeper than where they bat in the order.
We have shown with Joe Root that moving him around the order hasn't really worked - he has been excellent and dependable batting at five. I wouldn't want to move him and then end up effecting his game because if we lose his runs then we are stuffed.
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Lots of byes going through that team!!
:D it has now been corrected!
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For the third test, I'd go for:
Compton, Cook, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Woakes, Broad, Anderson
I'd put Compton back in for Lyth, never should have been dropped in the first place and we actually averaged 50 as our opening partnership with him around. Not a long term option or exciting but the kind of person need with Cook to set up an innings.
Last chance for Bell, really only keeping him in as its his home ground, and despite his awful, awful form, he's at least not getting out to the same glaring technical weaknesses like Lyth and Ballance, but being completely incompetent is scarcely better. Bairstow for Ballance is a pretty obvious one, not sure he's up to it either but his form warrants a chance, and Ballance just can not handle Australia's bowling, that's not something thats going to change.
Finally I'd have Woakes in for Wood who looked tired, though I do like Wood, Woakes on his home ground would be a shrewd move and though he hasn't played much since his injury, he has taken wickets at a good average in both his county games so far.
The absolute worst thing England can do is keep that top order the same, which is what I suspect we will do and will lead to yet another 30/3 scenario.
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James Taylor hit 291 for Nottinghamshire today and yesterday. He's got to be in for a shout.
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Think its too soon for Woakes just yet.
I'd rather leave him at Warwickshire anyway ;D
We're heading to another victory - we need only 63 more runs to beat Somerset - largely due to some terrific bowling from Jeetan Patel and Rikki Clarke which complimented a ton from Sam Hain
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They will all get another go, Bell, Balance & Lyth are on last chance saloon
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Credit to Mitchell Johnson especially, for bowling with so much intensity on a pretty flat pitch.
Michael Carberry was 2nd top run scorer in the debacle in Australia (13 behind KP) and he looked pretty composed against Johnson on much quicker pitches than we'll see this summer.
Carberry for Lyth, James Taylor for Balance and Bairstow for Buttler.
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I'd stick with Buttler - I wouldn't want to make too many changes.
For me the only change is the addition of Jonny Bairstow - I would settle for Adam Lyth to continue but he has to stop prodding at stuff outside off stump. He needs to be patient and wait for the ball to come to him.
Cook, Lyth, Moeen, Bell, Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Buttler, Wood, Broad, Anderson
Edgbaston has been spinner friendly with Jeetan Patel and Josh Poysden doing very well - there is always the possibility of adding Adil Rashid into the side but I get the feeling they won't want to make too many changes and will settle for something similar to Cardiff and Lords.
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Bairstow comes in for Ballance.
Bell to bat at three - Root at four and Bairstow at five.
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Well done to the England women on winning their first match in their Ashes series.
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Bairstow comes in for Ballance.
Bell to bat at three - Root at four and Bairstow at five.
Can't have any qualms with that, Lyth a lucky man there are no decent openers knocking regular tons.
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Interesting thing on Radio FiveLive last night about the way Johnson bowls. It's not just his speed through the air but the angle he bowls from, the slingy action and his body position at delivery. Even if our batsmen faced 90 MPH deliveries in the County Championship every week (if they ever played in it), he would still be completely different to that.
When he has it right, with an upright and fixed wrist position he is lethal, especially to left handers. His problem is that the unconventional bowling means that a slight difference in his wrist position has a vastly greater effect on the delivery. Hence "he bowls to the left...."
Just hope he gets his wrist in the wrong position at Edgbaston.
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Another cracking display by Bairstow today. Keep it up for another month or so lad. ;)
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Another cracking display by Bairstow today. Keep it up for another month or so lad. ;)
He'll be out for 10.
Got a feeling that Ian Bell is going to return to form...
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got a ticket for saturday if anyone wants it, cant make. i paid £90, yours for £50.00
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England have made a solid start in the third test, Ozzies, who won the toss and decided to bat are 38-3 after 12.2 overs.
Unfortunately, play is interrupted by rain.
Finn 2-6
Anderson 1-14
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Plenty of showers piling in at the moment and likely for the rest of the afternoon, expect further rain delays.
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A game of skittles at the moment.
110 for 8 ;D
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136 all out.
We need at least 300 now
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Lyth out cheaply again. Time for him to go i think. 38/1 at the moment.
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Good few overs end with Cook getting caught a bit absurdly (and unluckily). Could do with shutting up shop till close of play now.
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Bell gets caught cheaply with minutes left of the day's play. Silly, unnecessary shot to go for.
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Pathetic from Bell. Time to bring the curtain down on his career.
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Pathetic from Bell. Time to bring the curtain down on his career.
So are you saying he's a Bell...end?
:).
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Pathetic from Bell. Time to bring the curtain down on his career.
Why is it pathetic? Match top scorer so far, with a brilliant run a ball fifty odd. We're now 3 runs behind.
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Why is it pathetic? Match top scorer so far, with a brilliant run a ball fifty odd. We're now 3 runs behind.
The shot? Bell is very good at getting scores when there is no scoreboard pressure, thought he was going to do it again but he throws it away. Pietersen a batsman 10 times more talented would have been crucified for that dismissal.
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Blues, Villa or Albion?
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa)
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I went yesterday, what a good day for us english! Just hope we can bat for the rest of today and put some runs in the bank
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Blues, Villa or Albion?
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa)
Brilliant ;D
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182-6, this game is far from over !
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Went yesterday and was one of the best days cricke I've seen, also going tomorrow. Cant wait!
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Messed this right up, should have got into an unloseable position when Cook and Bell were in, but now its looking like we'll have a reasonably modest first innings lead. If Bell and Root, our two batsmen to get in had batted with a modicum more sense we could have avoided this, and Buttler bizarrely going against advice and not reviewing which is madness for an LBW so far down the innings - a chase above 200 would be perilous I think which puts all the pressure back on our bowlers again after their fine bowling yesterday.
A lead of ~100 isn't awful, but its a huge opportunity gone to waste. Maybe by some miracle Broad and Ali can push it to 150.
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Messed this right up, should have got into an unloseable position when Cook and Bell were in, but now its looking like we'll have a reasonably modest first innings lead. If Bell and Root, our two batsmen to get in had batted with a modicum more sense we could have avoided this, and Buttler bizarrely going against advice and not reviewing which is madness for an LBW so far down the innings - a chase above 200 would be perilous I think which puts all the pressure back on our bowlers again after their fine bowling yesterday.
A lead of ~100 isn't awful, but its a huge opportunity gone to waste. Maybe by some miracle Broad and Ali can push it to 150.
Lyons getting spin could be this wicket will help Root / Moeen ! Just gone to 100 in front ;D
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Thoroughly enjoyed yesterday - a great days play with a good atmosphere in the stands.
Soft dismissal from Ian Bell, very poor, but enough to probably guarantee him a spot throughout the remainder of the series. Cook was damn unfortunate.
currently need Ali & Broad to put the pressure on the Aussies
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18-1 danger man Rogers gone for 6, ours to lose surely??
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Went yesterday and was one of the best days cricke I've seen, also going tomorrow. Cant wait!
You might not be going tomorrow the way its shaping up !
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76-4 two in two and Finn on a Hat-trick
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Finn going along way to proving those wrong that he's 'unselectable'. Great performance by him
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Finn having an absolute stormer. 92-5, Australia still trail by 53. Happy days!
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Currently 138/6 trailing by 7 runs.
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Superb bowling from Steven Finn.
Hope the injury to James Anderson isn't serious.
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Currently 153/7. You could technically say Aussies 8/7.
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Currently 153/7. You could technically say Aussies 8/7.
I know a Blue nose who has tickets for Sunday...shame!!
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What was the last test match to finish in 3 days? ;D
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The shot? Bell is very good at getting scores when there is no scoreboard pressure, thought he was going to do it again but he throws it away. Pietersen a batsman 10 times more talented would have been crucified for that dismissal.
Scoreboard pressure? Out of form, moved up to number 3, playing in his home Ashes match on a bowlers wicket.
Don't we want to see positive, exciting cricket? So why are we whinging about Bell who was playing positively and looking for boundaries to take the game away from Aus?
Bell is about 750 runs short of becoming England's No.4 Run Scorer of all time. He was Man of the Series in the last home Ashes series with 3 Centuries.
I assume you're new to cricket if you think he has so little talent.
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I like Bell, he's a good player and will return to form swiftly enough in my opinion. There's a great elegance to his batting and there's not many better to watch when he's in full form. The fact he's also a bear is another bonus. Having said that, it was a ridiculous shot to play given the situation of the game. He didn't reach the pitch of the ball and should have just padded the ball away, calmed down after reaching 50 and gone again. All he had to do was last another six balls and he would have been off the pitch as the rain intervened.
His poor shot exposed our middle order and someone of his experience should know better.
The score board pressure comment is harsh too when you consider his batting more or less won us the last Ashes series on English soil.
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got a ticket for saturday if anyone wants it, cant make. i paid £90, yours for £50.00
Did you get rid of this? :o
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Worryingly Australia are increasing the lead. 100 in front now. Any more than 150 and I feel a massive wobble
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262-9
This is getting worrying now !
they are going to think they can do this.
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121 to win . Cmon lads .
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That'll do.
My prediction is 121-6. Hopefully it's a lot more comfortable than that
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This could also be a huge moment for Lyth. If he can stick it out to see us over the line.
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Not really into cricket.
Not too keen on a lot of the Aussies that I've met over the years either though to be honest.
Stuff it, I'd be chuffed if we beat them at Tiddlywinks.
Come on England!
8).
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This could also be a huge moment for Lyth. If he can stick it out to see us over the line.
the ideal scenario would be Lyth and Bell getting us over the line
Two players in need of a massive pick me up.
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the ideal scenario would be Lyth and Bell getting us over the line
Two players in need of a massive pick me up.
11-1 here is the chance for them
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There will be jitters in that dressing room
Several blokes out of form and Johnson has the ability to bounce through that middle order.
Surely we can't muck this up?
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Bell started positively, very positively . Looking to take it to them and the pressure will be off 90 to win. Bell 16 from 8
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Clarke drops Bell ;D
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that was a game changer !
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Lyth has to be dropped. Not good enough.
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Lyth has to be dropped. Not good enough.
Afraid so !
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Superb win Root and Bell see us home 124-2
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Ian Bell returning to form at the right time - form is temporary and all that..
Brilliant performance from England though. We needed to bounce back. Expect a couple of changes for the Aussies - Adam Voges will surely go and it wouldn't surprise me to see Cummins replace Starc.
Someone like Graham Onions to replace James Anderson. I don't think England can afford Broad, Finn and Wood in the same side.
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That's a really great result for us following the Lords test.
Well done to all the lads with particular praise to Bell and Finn for there match winning performances.
I'm off to see two Australian Rules Football games today, one in the afternoon at the MCG, where Collingwood play Melbourne, then in the evening to the Etihad (Melbourne version) to see Carlton play North Melbourne, and I will be going out of my way to engage with the Ozzies on all things cricket, especially the Edgbaston test :D
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England have won the toss and will bowl.
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:D australia 10-3 :D
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:D australia 10-3 :D
Holy Excrement Batman.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP89467 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP89467)
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:D australia 10-3 :D
come on!!!!!!
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15-4 ;D ;D ;D
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Could do with a really boring ashes game not going to get anything done at work now...
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23-5 !!!
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29-6 Into the bowlers!
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Six wickets down and only one Aussie has made it to ten runs.
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Finn strikes with his second ball 33-7
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33-7!
They'll struggle to make 50 at this rate.
:o.
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The bowlers will hit out and get them to just short of 100 I think
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46-8 !!!
broad on 6 for 10 !
Incredible
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7 wickets for broad. 9 down :o :D
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7 wickets for broad. 9 down :o :D
TMS online is slow, you must be a good 2 mins in front of me !
Anyway, batting second before lunch on 1st day !
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BOOOOOO they made 50!!
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BOOOOOO they made 50!!
13 of their current 54 runs are extra's.
How embarrassing.
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All out for 60. Broad finishes with a remarkable 8 wickets for 15 runs!
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Highest scorer ..... Extras 14
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Highest scorer ..... Extras 14
Absolutely hilarious stat'.
:).
Now watch England go 59 all out.
:o.
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The bowlers will hit out and get them to just short of 100 I think
Gotta say it's a good job the bowler's made such a significant contribution by hitting 'out'.
;).
Imagine how low the score would have been if they hadn't have made such a fine effort.
:).
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Least number of balls faced EVER !!! :o :o
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Bowlers got 27 of the 46 runs scored
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wow what a start
I bet old Rodney Marsh is doing a rain dance
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The Aussie's first innings score was the lowest in the Ashes Series since 1948!
http://www.itsonlycricket.com/entry/1204/ (http://www.itsonlycricket.com/entry/1204/)
The lowest in any Ashes Series was also Australia, 36 in 1902 played in Birmingham.
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Having stayed awake most of the series to watch the Aussies beat us 5-0 this at the moment feels pretty sweet ;D ;D
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1 in front amazing . It should be won now . I had the Aussies to win 4-1 . It might be the other way around .nice to keep our cousins down hey . ( only joking ) .
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Incredible day of cricket
I have no words to describe how good England were.
The Ashes are coming home :D
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Incredible day of cricket
I have no words to describe how good England were.
The Ashes are coming home :D
I was thinking how would they cope without Jimmy Anderson. Stuart Broad was quite simply Awesome. The Aussies must be shellshocked. Wonderful days cricket.
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Thats Cricket at its best.Better viewing than any game of football was that
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Two good half centuries today.
One from Joe Root, the other from Australia.
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I thought "Extras" did really well for the Aussies today
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It's great being a Pom down here right now and I make sure they hear the accent. :D
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Amazing first day at Trent Bridge. The ashes are coming home!
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Well done to Stuart Broad for taking up the mantle as our main strike bowler in the absence of James Anderson in such devastating style.
8-15 is a truly remarkable performance and against quality opposition, taking most of the top order batsmen and stubborn tail enders.
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I was thinking how would they cope without Jimmy Anderson. Stuart Broad was quite simply Awesome. The Aussies must be shellshocked. Wonderful days cricket.
I would imagine he'll be at the top of any shortlist for BBC's sports personality in November
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I would imagine he'll be at the top of any shortlist for BBC's sports personality in November
most definitly team of the year if nothing else
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Need to make sure we bat well today and give them any kind of sniff of saving this. Hopefully get to about 450-500
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Need to make sure we bat well today and give them any kind of sniff of saving this. Hopefully get to about 450-500
Never mind then 333/8 Just Finn left in the hutch.
Hopefully Ali and Broad get us a few more on the board, but we are still plenty infront
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Never mind then 333/8 Just Finn left in the hutch.
Hopefully Ali and Broad get us a few more on the board, but we are still plenty infront
Bit of a damp squib this morning, but the ball is doing stuff, so I think Wood / Finn will enjoy this (soon)
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Frustrating so far. Fear not - i've just turned over, i missed 5 wickets yesterday when i had to turn it of when the sky man came.
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Frustrating so far. Fear not - i've just turned over, i missed 5 wickets yesterday when i had to turn it of when the sky man came.
Unbelievable - it worked!
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Unbelievable - it worked!
Sit still ! Do not go anywhere!
Oh and thankyou.
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And another....8 more wickets to go, Aussies 200 behind
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136-4
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Dropping like flies now!
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I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?
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I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?
Oh yes, the ashes are ours now !
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I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?
Sshhhhh! Don't jinx it ;D
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I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?
Any chance that you could pop down the road for a paper or something please?
A really long road would be good, in Arizona perhaps?
:) ;).
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Any chance that you could pop down the road for a paper or something please?
A really long road would be good, in Arizona perhaps?
:) ;).
I completely went out as i had to take my girlfriend to the garage that was in for an MOT. I was a bit miffed as i thought i'd miss us sealing it but it looks i only influence the wickets if switch over to Sky Sports News!
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I think the Aussies really need to drop Extras down the order, he's been their most consistent performer this test .
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Well done England for regaining the Ashes. A fantastic team effort, Brilliant
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Great stuff, well done England! 8)
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Well done England.
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Great stuff the England cricket team.
Not just an Ashes victory though, but a humiliating defeat for the Aussies.
8).
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Just back from a wine tasting weekend in the Yarra Valley and during the course of the weekend met up with loads of Ozzies and had a bit of good natured banter with them.
All in all, the Ozzies I met took the defeat and loss of th Ashes well and were philosophical about losing. But I suppose there is little option for them.
Well done to all the England boys, you did us proud, particularly those here in the Australian area of the antipodes.
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Delighted for Alastair Cook.
After all the abuse, criticism and knives in the back he has received in the last two years, he deserves to enjoy every single minute of this moment
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England all out for 149. Trailing by 332, Australia enforce the follow on. Looks like the series ending 3-2
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Australia's bowling has been much better with Siddle and Marsh a revelation in this game.
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time for Lyth and Bell to go
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Agree on Lyth - overall I think he's come off worse than Compton, Carberry and Robson.
Bell is looking dodgy but he's really had some unplayable balls in this series ...at least 4 I can think of.
It's only Cook, Root and Stokes who should be certain selections of the top 6.
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I completely went out as i had to take my girlfriend to the garage that was in for an MOT. I was a bit miffed as i thought i'd miss us sealing it but it looks i only influence the wickets if switch over to Sky Sports News!
Haven't noticed this thread before. Shocking stuff at the Oval but we all want to know - Lewisant, did your girlfriend pass her MOT? ;)
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Alistair Cook 200 not out, well done cookie. this game is heading towards a bore draw
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Yes this is the other end of the test cricket spectrum from the Ashes - no crowd, no atmosphere, hot conditions, slow pace. Bore draws is the best England can hope for I think.
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Nothing in the pitch for either sides bowlers
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tis like watching the Albion and paint drying
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At least our games don't last 5 days
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At least our games don't last 5 days
It feels like it at times.
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anybody watching
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Fascinating, do they go for it or not?
Personally I think its reachable if (big if) we get a solid start.
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Fascinating, do they go for it or not?
Personally I think its reachable if (big if) we get a solid start.
i dont think the pitch has worn as per normal, so yes go for it. good steady start so far after 2 overs
we need someone to score a hundred but 284 is doable with a day to go
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I'd love to see Bell get a ton in these circumstances.
Or Moeen Ali come to that
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well I managed to put a hex on those 2.
think its best that I say that England have lost this now!
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I'd love to see Bell get a ton in these circumstances.
Or Moeen Ali come to that
no chance now, cooke and root are our only hope. Taxi for Bell
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no chance now, cooke and root are our only hope. Taxi for Bell
Reckon Bell will be playing a lot of county cricket next season !
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Reckon Bell will be playing a lot of county cricket next season !
Time to ring the changes then?
For whom the bell tolls.
;).
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150 - 9 :-[
looks like we've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
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Lost by 127 runs :(
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never going to be easy on dead pitches, england needs to look at its batting
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A massive step towards a solution is smashing the leather to all parts in South African domestic cricket...
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A massive step towards a solution is smashing the leather to all parts in South African domestic cricket...
Agreed, currently in classic form.........a joy to watch.
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i love test cricket, long may it live
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A massive step towards a solution is smashing the leather to all parts in South African domestic cricket...
If he hadn't have been such a complete ars* he'd still be in the setup....so smashing the ball to all parts in a 20-20 isn't relevant anymore.
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No bells are ringing for South Africa then, peitersen says its a disgrace
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No bells are ringing for South Africa then, peitersen says its a disgrace
Interesting programme on ITV 4 tonight at 10pm about Pieterson
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England looking tasty for the future.I decided to stay in and watch the cricket today instead of travelling up to the Hawthorns.great viewing
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We're in a great position to go on and win the test match.
Think the selections of Nick Compton and James Taylor will prove to be success in the long run.
Unsure on Alex Hales but he needs to be given time. I still wouldn't put it past Compton and Hales swapping positions eventually.
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Massive concerns over the bowling for me, far too reliant on Anderson and Broad with not much coming through, that said Jimmy is probably our best ever...
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Big West Brom flag behind the wicket. 2 wickets to get.This team are improving all the time. without Anderson too
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Big West Brom flag behind the wicket. 2 wickets to get.This team are improving all the time. without Anderson too
I kn ow quite a few who've gone. Went boxing day and dont come back for another ten days. Must be superb
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What a session of cricket. Ben stokes take a bow 202 not out.
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That was sensational from Ben Stokes - incredible batting.
On a more important note, it puts us into a position where not even England can lose this test match!!
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Some of the best batting you'll ever see top quality hitting from Stokes.
Pure brilliance.
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What a fantastic chase by England, sadly it came in spite of the captain, who for me needs to be shown the door.
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Listened to the whole game, sounded incredible.
Those wickets at the end of our innings!?
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Listened to the whole game, sounded incredible.
Those wickets at the end of our innings!?
Jordan went for the big finish, then Willey got mixed up trying to pinch a single, wasn't as nerve-wracking as it seemed really.
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What a fantastic chase by England, sadly it came in spite of the captain, who for me needs to be shown the door.
What the Irishman
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What the Irishman
Decent ODI player but a dreadful captain and badly out of sorts with the bat in T20's. If Pietersen was in his place and we had one world class bowler we'd have a real chance in the tournament.
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england 50-5 against the mighty Afgans :D
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92/7 - shambles
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Won by 15 runs, just about over the line :o
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If we start games as well as we finish them we might be a very good team!
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Well done England T20 semis
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Well done England T20 semis
They were superb today after a sticky start. Buttler was wonderful. And without Topley we look a decent bowling side. Morgan owed us that today.
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well done england in the final of the world t20 s
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About time that a team we "follow" won a semi final !!
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About time that a team we "follow" won a semi final !!
very true but the women team bottled it yesterday
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I'll leave that to the women on here............IF ANY !!
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Got to say Kohli is looking genius level in this tournament. Great player to watch with so many different shots in his armoury and most of them pure cricket shots.
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Need a Chris Gayle masterclass now
Think we've got more of a chance against them than the hosts
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Need a Chris Gayle masterclass now
Think we've got more of a chance against them than the hosts
Oh well that's fked that then ;D 6-1
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Oh well that's fked that then ;D 6-1
Sorry :-[
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Cracking game and great effort by the Windies to win after losing Gayle and Samuels early.
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Shame its not a England vs India final.
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England have just thrown it away!Braithwaite with 4 Sixes in the final over off Stokes :(
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How have England lost that final!
Braithwaite has slogged stoakes about like a Sunday player!!!
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Absolutely gutted
19 overs of brilliance from a unit that got absolute pelters prior to the tournament is destroyed in four deliveries.
Superb batting from Carlos Braithwaite.
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Complaining on social media about Stokes...that was T20 Cricket at its best hats off to the Big Brathwate to hit 4 sixes one after the other takes some doing no matter what level you play at.
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Stokes deserves criticism, he missed his length on all 4 balls, a total bottle job, great hitting from Brathwaite. England were 20 runs short anyway. Deserved victory by the best team in the world in this form of the game.
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Missing a length is one thing ive seen quite a few in both innings today but they didnt get hit for four straight sixes as someone who has played alot of cricket that takes some doing.
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Missing a length is one thing ive seen quite a few in both innings today but they didnt get hit for four straight sixes as someone who has played alot of cricket that takes some doing.
I've played cricket for the best part of the last 20 years every Saturday I'm not down the Albion, new season starts in 2 weeks. They were length balls, all 4 of them ideal for getting under and away, It was a very poor over; he needed to get the yorker in and he failed, no shame in it because as I said we didn't get enough runs, but you cannot just write it off as good batting.
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Our lack of runs, you could argue, didnt factor in as much as it should have. Sh*te last over from stokes. Theres no way he should be hit for four straight sixes.
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I've played cricket for the best part of the last 20 years every Saturday I'm not down the Albion, new season starts in 2 weeks. They were length balls, all 4 of them ideal for getting under and away, It was a very poor over; he needed to get the yorker in and he failed, no shame in it because as I said we didn't get enough runs, but you cannot just write it off as good batting.
Getting under and away is alot different to getting them for six. I agree about scoring for me in T20 you need at least a target around 180 in a final.
We will have to agree to disagree as in my view those four balls could be bowled exactly the same 20 times over and you would get that type of result.
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Theres no way he should be hit for four straight sixes.
Thats why T20 cricket is such a big draw.
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Yeah, there is some skill in hitting the right length for a Yorker - get it slightly wrong in the last over and it's likely to disappear. After he got the first one wrong and it sailed over the fence it was pressure on and he failed to recover from that.
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Getting under and away is alot different to getting them for six. I agree about scoring for me in T20 you need at least a target around 180 in a final.
We will have to agree to disagree as in my view those four balls could be bowled exactly the same 20 times over and you would get that type of result.
prior to todays final im sure they said that 157 was the highest score ever in a t20 final so the England score wasn't that bad on reflection.
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Surely Braithwaite is a Yorkshireman? Shouldn't he have been playing for England?
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Ben Choakes are some of the headlines this morning, bit unfair really
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Alistair cooke 10,000 runs
Most runs as england captain - Alistair cooke
Another series won, in some style.
Captaincy has broken many former "greats". Exceptionally under-estimated is Alistair,
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Superb batsman. One of England's finest.
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Brilliant achievement. 2nd best England batsman of his generation.
450 wickets for Jimmy Anderson too, great day for English cricket.
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Jimmy now number one in the rankings for the first time in his career. Superb stuff
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England going very well at the moment 513-6. Joe Root 213 no.
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The last test lords the home of cricket the pitch always favours the opposition, the groundsman should be sacked
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The last test lords the home of cricket the pitch always favours the opposition, the groundsman should be sacked
The groundsman wasn't to blame for England's batting display at Lords. Yasir took 10 wickets on a pitch that was hardly turning.
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England going very well at the moment 513-6. Joe Root 213 no.
England declared at 589 - for 8. Pakistan closed on 57-4. Trailing by 532 runs.
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Woakes the new Anderson?
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Anyone been to Edgbaston for this test? Went the first day and going tomorrow to. Pakistan have the edge but are now 296-5, hopefully we can restrict the lead.
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Anyone been to Edgbaston for this test? Went the first day and going tomorrow to. Pakistan have the edge but are now 296-5, hopefully we can restrict the lead.
Went to the first day but only chance I had as it landed on a day off, helps when you can smuggle in 8 liters of Magners between two of us to keep the cost down though.
Managed to get ourselves into a decent position at end of play today.
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Cracking innings from England hit a world record ODI score of 444-3
https://www.facebook.com/SkySports/videos/10154490373678762/
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well done Joe Root on your 11th test century
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He has every chance of going down as our greatest ever batsman. The boy is incredible
Good to see Moeen getting in the runs too. Hope he gets to three figures in the morning.
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He has every chance of going down as our greatest ever batsman. The boy is incredible
Good to see Moeen getting in the runs too. Hope he gets to three figures in the morning.
Stokes,not bad either.
Just reached a century.
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Stokes,not bad either.
Just reached a century.
Yes Stokes has every chance of going down as our greatest ever all rounder....we shouldn't overbowl him so that he stays fit.
Stokes and Root should walk into any world X1 during the next decade.
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Yes Stokes has every chance of going down as our greatest ever all rounder....we shouldn't overbowl him so that he stays fit.
Stokes and Root should walk into any world X1 during the next decade.
Stokes has a way to go to be considered alongside Botham or Flintoff a very long way.
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Stokes has a way to go to be considered alongside Botham or Flintoff a very long way.
the potential is there though, The stats were analysed on TMS this morning and IF Stokes keeps going at the rate he is, he could become a great.
He would have to wrest an ashes series from the Aussies (spits) grip to be as acclaimed as Beefy / Freddy though.
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Stokes has a way to go to be considered alongside Botham or Flintoff a very long way.
Flintoff himself says that Stokes is a proper batsman whereas he was just a 'slogger'.
We are talking potential here...Stokes is a seriously good batsman already.
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Flintoff himself says that Stokes is a proper batsman whereas he was just a 'slogger'.
We are talking potential here...Stokes is a seriously good batsman already.
Self deprecation. Flintoff was superb. A world class bowler and a destructive batsman, he hardly ever "slogged" as you(and apparently he) put it.
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Self deprecation. Flintoff was superb. A world class bowler and a destructive batsman, he hardly ever "slogged" as you(and apparently he) put it.
So you know better than Flintoff himself now do you? And you say i talk some b0llox!
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So you know better than Flintoff himself now do you? And you say i talk some b0llox!
Which part of self deprecation don't you understand? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both words?
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So you know better than Flintoff himself now do you? And you say i talk some b0llox!
Jacko is right.
Flintoff has never been one to boast about his cricketing abilities.
He was a popular character - and enjoyed the limelight - but he would always play down his cricketing abilities. It was one of the remarks made when he suffered his depression fight in 2006
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And you two need to kiss and make up.
If you continue chasing each other around the forum to have pops at each other then I'll just remove your posts :)
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Self deprecation. Flintoff was superb. A world class bowler and a destructive batsman, he hardly ever "slogged" as you(and apparently he) put it.
I agree to an extent....Flintoff was a bowling all rounder, who made occasional spectacular innings. With the bat he made 5 centuries but he also had spells where he looked all at sea against spin bowlers especially. Stokes is a batting all rounder ...he has the technique to bat at No 3 or 4 for England, already has 3 test hundreds including a 250. Has made runs against spin in the sub continent or pace against the Aussies in Perth. He's not there yet but massive potential.
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Which part of self deprecation don't you understand? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both words?
I would love to meet you face to face and continue our discussions!
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Now now ladies :D anyway this is most definitely a batters wicket
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Correcting my own Stokes mistake....4 test hundreds in different continents
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Back to this match, nailed on draw. They're 230-1 and coasting.
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Which part of self deprecation don't you understand? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both words?
Clearly not a phrase you have ever used in respect to yourself Jacko ;D
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Superb from England today. India bowled out and a very solid partnership from Cook and Hameed at the end.
For a 19 year old, Hameed looks a very, very classy player.
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Fantastic viewing this, beats the international football hands down
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Match drawn.
Fantastic effort from England to get so close. Even better when you consider many had predicted us to be comfortably beaten.
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Good performance which sets the series up very nicely....should keep us interested over the next 5 or 6 weeks.
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When did we forget how to bat?
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When did we forget how to bat?
Not an easy business out there - India's runs have basically come from Kohli, Pujara and Ashwin with not much from the others....still life in this series yet but we have to up it a level.
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Wasn't a demon of a surface too - providing you were in and batted sensibly then you were able to score runs. India made a hash of their first innings too but some fine batting from Kohli, Jadeja and Ashwin allowed them to turn the screw. Unfortunately we were behind the game by that point and this is a batting line up that is continuosly struggling whenever a run of quick wickets fall.
Disappointing to see Hameed going home - he has been a breath of fresh air throughout the tour and batted remarkably well when you consider he has a broken hand.
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Love watching Hammed. So uncomplicated and calm. He seems so happy to occupy the crease. It can make such a difference for the middle order when the openers take the shine off the ball and tire the opening bowlers. @ the end he showed he could clear the ropes too. What a shame he's gone home. Must mention Stokes as well - supreme competitor.
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totally blown away on this tour, having said that India have been superb.
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for me i hope Cookie remains captain
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for me i hope Cookie remains captain
Not sure on Cook but wouldn't push Root into it. Let him concentrate on his game, one of the best batsmen in the world
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Cook resigning as captain is not going to have any real effect on our test match side to be honest. The issues are bigger than the captaincy - until we address our lack of spinning options and the brittleness of our middle order then we are going to lose test matches.
India are very strong at home - Kohli, Ashwin and Jadeja have been impressive throughout and ended up being the difference.
Had England held onto a few more catches and batsman who got themselves 'in' made a score like Kohli did then it would have been a different series. For that, we have ourselves to blame.
If anyone should be concerned about Cook resigning then it should be Eoin Morgan.
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Not sure on Cook but wouldn't push Root into it. Let him concentrate on his game, one of the best batsmen in the world
Who else would do it though...of those certain of a place Stokes (has too much on his plate already), Bairstow (ditto) Ali (captain - no way), Anderson (captain - no way), Broad (captain - no way). It has to be Root.
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Cook must be sacked. Looking at our middle order they really need to find some quality. It's absolutely embarrassing KP will not have pulled on the shirt for 4 years this summer.
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Cook must be sacked. Looking at our middle order they really need to find some quality. It's absolutely embarrassing KP will not have pulled on the shirt for 4 years this summer.
Especially after scoring over 300 not long ago. Who else other than Root has that in their locker
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Brilliant 50 from Stokes.
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Looks like we are going to throw away a great lead now though.
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Looks like we are going to throw away a great lead now though.
Yeah getting battered, Kholi just took 3 dots then smashed a 6 for his 100.
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Made the mistake of getting wickets. Keep Kohli sat down watching. We're a dreadful bowling team in India.
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as per with anything England, bottled it. Morgan should not be captain either
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England's one day bowling attack is desperately poor, great potential in the batting line up but not one of the bowlers is good enough for that team to win the world cup. You could maybe, maybe get away with a couple of them with world class bowlers in the team but we don't have that, and the team continually struggles to get wickets as a result and quell the flow of opposition runs. Whenever England win one day games its almost always by batting the opposition out the game or chasing a big total.
I mean look at the attacks list A bowling averages from yesterday:
Ben Stokes - 28.51, economy 5.64
Jake Ball - 28.79 economy 5.60
Chris Woakes - 36.46 economy 5.57
David Willey - 33.02 economy 5.61
Moeen Ali - 42.87 economy 5.35
Adil Rashid - 31.61 economy 5.35
Most of them don't even have good List A averages by county level let alone look like cutting it internationally. Even the couple that do, Stokes bowling has been terrible in limited overs for England, though he's at least a powerful batting option too. Compare that to say the averages of the Australia team and you see how desperate our bowling is. Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, India and Pakistan all have substantially better bowling line ups than us.
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England making hard work in the T20, losing wickets too easily.
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Great match going on. Come on England!
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24 needed for england fron 2 overs, close
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8 from 6, home & hosed
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maybe not, root out. 8 from 5
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bottled it again
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bottled it again
Bloody hell, should have had that. >:( Well bowled at the end to be fair.
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Bloody hell, should have had that. >:( Well bowled at the end to be fair.
Well bowled at the end but result heavily influenced by the decisions of an umpire. Both going in favour of India. :-X
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The Joe Root decision was appalling.
Having said that - England should have got across the line. Never looked in any sort of danger until we lost the wicket of Ben Stokes.
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England chasing 202 in the final t20.
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England chasing 202 in the final t20.
Are you watching on catch up? ???
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Are you watching on catch up? ???
I thought I was watching a live game. :-[ you've spoilt it now :'(
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I thought I was watching a live game. :-[ you've spoilt it now :'(
:-X Never said a word, guv. 8)
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I thought I was watching a live game. :-[ you've spoilt it now :'(
Ha ha ha.
That's funny as naughty word :P .
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very sad for me Alistair Cook steps down as england captain
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Hopefully Cook can enjoy his batting a bit more now, he's had a pretty long stint.
Can't see any alternative to Root but he'll have a lot on his plate as he's our best batsman plays in tests, ODI and t20. Oh and he's just become a Dad too.
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Just seen a few baggies fans on the telly in the crowd at Barbados.
Lucky buggers. ;D
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First Test against South Africa today. Batting first 17-2 Cook gone for 3 in his first test innings since giving up the captaincy.
Poor start. Root in now
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Just seen a few baggies fans on the telly in the crowd at Barbados.
Lucky buggers. ;D
Haha just seen that, that was me!!!
There was 14 of us went over for ten days including a day at the cricket and decided to wear our tops.
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I wonder if Roooooooooot will get his double ton today? Well on his way to becoming an English cricket legend I'd say
(hope that's not a jinx call)
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I wonder if Roooooooooot will get his double ton today? Well on his way to becoming an English cricket legend I'd say
(hope that's not a jinx call)
I'm sure he will, he's a class act.
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I wonder if Roooooooooot will get his double ton today? Well on his way to becoming an English cricket legend I'd say
(hope that's not a jinx call)
Out for 190 :o
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367-7 2-10 so far this morning
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Great win, and despite some sloppy batting from SA , Ali bowled very well
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Well done England ladies for winning the World Cup, great ending to the match
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Well done England ladies for winning the World Cup, great ending to the match
Great result!. Well done Ladies.
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good start for Toby
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Hat trick for Moeen Ali to win the 3rd test for England.
https://www.facebook.com/SkySports/videos/10155612766903762/
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anybody doing the day night cricket at Edgbaston? only 2 pints allowed mind. good atmosphere i would imagine
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anybody doing the day night cricket at Edgbaston? only 2 pints allowed mind. good atmosphere i would imagine
I plan on having more than 2 pints. ;)
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Pink balls 🏀
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Pink balls 🏀
It could get chilly in the Eric Hollies stand at 9pm, they might be blue balls.
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Pink balls 🏀
yo ay been on Budleigh Salteron naturist beach. :D
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Rplj3YpUwmC03xKbcUxTFgEsEs&w=104&h=101&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.25&pid=3.1&rm=2
try sun factor 50 next time
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yo ay been on Budleigh Salteron naturist beach. :D
http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Rplj3YpUwmC03xKbcUxTFgEsEs&w=104&h=101&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.25&pid=3.1&rm=2
try sun factor 50 next time
Not been there for 3years, I do miss the place. Slapton sands much more comfortable under feet
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Off to Edgbaston today
Hope the weather stays nice!
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Off to Edgbaston today
Hope the weather stays nice!
I'm there tomorrow - it doesn't look promising. Fancy trying to play cricket, in England at 9:00pm.
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what are the times folks
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Play ends at 9 I think, might watch a bit later.
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what are the times folks
2pm start, play scheduled to finish at 9 but can go on till 10pm. I'm there tomorrow, looking forward to it.
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more beers sold i would imagine
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i love test cricket over any other form of the game. bet ther will be a few go along after their working day. if the weathers right it could work
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England running away with it already
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England declare on 514-8, Cook scoring 243! Batted from first til last ball
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Day night test matches should never happen again in this country
We cannot rely on the weather for it to happen and we also lose a lot of the natural light.
In countries like those from the sub-continent and the West Indies it makes perfect sense
And day/night cricket is not going to turn around the fortunes of West Indies cricket
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Day night test matches should never happen again in this country
We cannot rely on the weather for it to happen and we also lose a lot of the natural light.
In countries like those from the sub-continent and the West Indies it makes perfect sense
And day/night cricket is not going to turn around the fortunes of West Indies cricket
They were saying on the radio that they wouldn't be surprised to see one of the ashes matches played in day/night format.
Agree it doesn't tend to get dark enough early enough here to really benefit, but the timings may suit the fans a bit more and attract those that may not be able to go during the day.
Ironically they were hoping for bad weather so that the match wasn't finished before the lunch break because of how poor West Indies were
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Got to say the non stop 'Don't take me home' was a right pain...might be good for those singing who are well oiled but I don't want to sit in the ground listening to it or sit at home listening to it. Don't mind the odd couple of minutes but not endless...........
Generally I'm against day-night tests....the only good thing is that like any sporting arena it looks good under lights.
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hoping to do 3 weeks in Australia for 2 of the ashes tests. magical
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hoping to do 3 weeks in Australia for 2 of the ashes tests. magical
Very jealous my friend
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hoping to do 3 weeks in Australia for 2 of the ashes tests. magical
If you manage the Adelaide test then go on the Adelaide Oval roof climb. I did it in March and it was awesome, even though there was nothing taking place at the time. You can book a time when you can watch the cricket, about 30 minutes, from seating on the roof before finishing your climb. The experience is well worth it.
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86-2. its going to the wire
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178-2. prey for rain folks
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windies win the second test
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Full credit to the Windies and I'm pleased to see it. We are used to big swings happening between 2 test matches but who could have seen this one coming ?
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Well done windies, I hope Joe Root stays as adventurous in the future it was a good declaration just a better run chase
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I personally thought it was a poor declaration. I think they can be a bit overly-defensive with setting 4th innings targets, but I thought this was too far the other way!
What's everyone's XI for the ashes as it stands then? Real shame Hameed's form has been so poor this county season, else he'd be the obvious opener for Cook. Hales in for Malan, and god knows who in for Westley. Can they persuade Colly to come out of retirement? :D
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Nothing wrong with the declaration - came at the right time with a reasonable total to defend.
As for the Ashes - really not sure - there are two places up for grabs and they belong to Malan and Westley. Not sure either are of the required standard but I think I would be continuing with Malan at present who has showed the character and that "nitty gritty" attitude that is needed for Test cricket. Westley looks quite shot and I am not quite sure who is available to set in and replace him unless there is some re-jigging of the order.
At present it is something like:
Cook
Stoneman
??
Root
Malan (??)
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
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James Anderson is head and shoulders above the rest of this team. I actually feel a bit sorry for him.
BT are talking it up but this test will see a 200/175 run defeat.
Hope I'm wrong.
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James Anderson is head and shoulders above the rest of this team. I actually feel a bit sorry for him.
BT are talking it up but this test will see a 200/175 run defeat.
Hope I'm wrong.
The Poms are holding their own at the moment mate.
It's not over till it's over and they're making a game of it.
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My nerves are shredded following this. It should have been out of sight ages ago, but..........
Smith dropped a clanger not forcing the follow on.
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The Poms are holding their own at the moment mate.
It's not over till it's over and they're making a game of it.
Proving me wrong thus far but needs Root to get about 160 of them.
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Yes, I am hoping he doesn't rest on his laurels, the hard work has only just begun for him
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Yes, I am hoping he doesn't rest on his laurels, the hard work has only just begun for him
Set up for a fantastic final day, should get a result before the late session, I hope. As my nerves will not take seeing that thing swinging around like that again.
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A good day for England, just a pity the top 3 went so cheaply.........
We didn't expect this when the Aussies went in to bat again!
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this is why i love test cricket the best team sport easily for me, a great days play
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It's a shame but the Ashes just can't be copied, it's totally unique and long may it survive and flourish whoever wins......no T20 6 hitting contest with every gimmick under the sun can come close.
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40 runs better than I predicted but left to rue the joke decision at the toss. Difficult to retain the Urn now.
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Was up at 3 saw Woakes and Root fall then went back to sleep
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Was up at 3 saw Woakes and Root fall then went back to sleep
A wise decision. I foolishly kept listening.
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A wise decision. I foolishly kept listening.
As soon as Woakes went second ball you knew what was coming.
I would have less of an issue with it if we were playing the Australian team of the late 90's, but this side are poor and are still trouncing us.
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As soon as Woakes went second ball you knew what was coming.
I would have less of an issue with it if we were playing the Australian team of the late 90's, but this side are poor and are still trouncing us.
I agree mate. This is in no way anywhere near a strong Aussie side.
Our bowlers are the exception. Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon are all top class and England can't handle them. Our pace trio are consistently in the 140s and there is no respite.
But the batting is brittle. Take out Smith and we are vulnerable. Warner is out of form, Bancroft has promise but has not nailed down his spot. Kawaja is hit and miss and I reckon Handscomb is under pressure. Shaun Marsh has done well but he could easily fail in the next three Tests. Tim Paine is no Haddin or Gilchrist.
I'm happy we're 2-0 up but I didn't expect to be.
It'll be hard for England to come back from here.
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It'll be a miracle if this team avoids a whitewash.
Pretty much guaranteed to lose when their to have the batting collapse every innings and the bowling will largely be ineffectual from here on in. Usually they get away with the poor batting at home with lower order hitting, but the lower order always get wiped out by the Aussie bowlers. England have one genuinely good batsmen in Root, then a few hit and miss in Cook (who just doesn't look up to much these days I'm afraid), Bairstow and Ali. Then a bunch of awful batsmen. Poor selection decisions over recent years are unfortunately coming home to roost for England.
The mentality of this side is also pretty awful, they either win games where they're on top throughout the entire game, or lose. Don't have the ability to battle through tough days and come out on the winning side.
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after yesterday heroics normal service was resumed today. whitewash it will be im afraid
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I agree mate. This is in no way anywhere near a strong Aussie side.
Our bowlers are the exception. Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon are all top class and England can't handle them. Our pace trio are consistently in the 140s and there is no respite.
But the batting is brittle. Take out Smith and we are vulnerable. Warner is out of form, Bancroft has promise but has not nailed down his spot. Kawaja is hit and miss and I reckon Handscomb is under pressure. Shaun Marsh has done well but he could easily fail in the next three Tests. Tim Paine is no Haddin or Gilchrist.
I'm happy we're 2-0 up but I didn't expect to be.
It'll be hard for England to come back from here.
Absolutely right. The bowling attacks are the difference. This match had the most 'English' like bowling conditions that we are likely to get in Aus plus England had the bonus of bowling under the lights when Smith chose to bat rather than enforce the follow-on. Duncan Fletcher back in 2005 wanted bowlers who could bowl 86 mph plus and we had Harmison, Flintoff, Simon Jones plus Hoggard to swing it about...we need to start looking for a similar combination.
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Hmm. Not many comments here gents.
You guys haven’t given up the Ashes have you?
Kudos to Dawid Malan for his 140 in this Test but if you made that you’d think you would have the highest score in the match.
Smith 239 and Marsh 181 were class knocks. Good fight back by England on Day 4 but only the weather is going to save them.
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39-2 looks like they've given up anyway
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Unbelievable not picking Tom Curran. It seems Stuart Broad is undroppable. Who’s in charge Bayliss and Farbrace or the players? What does Bayliss actually do?
Reminds me of Eriksson and Capello. Money for old rope.
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Can not take twenty wickets in a match, can not win the Ashes. Ben Stokes is a big miss and an injured Ali isn't helping.
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Hmm. Not many comments here gents.
You guys haven’t given up the Ashes have you?
Kudos to Dawid Malan for his 140 in this Test but if you made that you’d think you would have the highest score in the match.
Smith 239 and Marsh 181 were class knocks. Good fight back by England on Day 4 but only the weather is going to save them.
Speaking for myself..........yep
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England are only any good on English wickets , I think the whole county league sceen needs looking at. Do kids play cricket at schools
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Only one senior player has stood up to be counted (Anderson). Cook, Root, Ali and Broad should hang their heads in shame
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England are only any good on English wickets , I think the whole county league sceen needs looking at. Do kids play cricket at schools
Cricket in school nowadays is totally different
The time is limited and its largely a case of whacking the ball as far as you can
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Sadly this is what happens when every county side prepares green wickets where 85mph swing bowlers look world class. When you come up against teams in conditions that don’t suit, regardless of how bang average the team is, we just can not compete with them.
Agree about Cook, Broad, Root et al. Shocking performances
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P**sing down in Perth. ;D
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P**sing down in Perth. ;D
Yep in Scotland but it's sunny in perth Australia.🔆🔆🔆â›…â›…🚿🚿
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3-0 by the end of the day..Ashes over..poorest performance for a long time from our so called senior players...
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Embarrassment complete...Men against Boys...turgid and depressing performance. .
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3-0 by the end of the day..Ashes over..poorest performance for a long time from our so called senior players...
Poorest performance since we last played away from home and got tanked by India. It's becoming an alarming trend under Bayliss. Once they lose a game they seem unable to find their way back into a series. As for demanding changes in the County Championship, no chance. That might happen when Australia come over to England and beat us 5-0 but as it stands one tour every four years isn't enough for the ECB to move around the two one-day competitions to fit in first-class matches in July and August when the pitches are driest.
Stoneman, Malan and Overton come out with a little bit of credit, as does Anderson who has atleast managed to find a way to take some wickets. Cook, Root and Broad as senior players need to have a series word with themselves - I wouldn't be surprised to see next summer be Cook's last if he doesn't make some runs. Root has to stop getting 50 and out, compare his conversion rate to Steve Smiths - he isn't in the same league.
I'd be starting next summer with something along the lines of:
Stoneman, Cook, Malan, Root, Bairstow, ,Foakes (wk), Curran/Stokes, Overton/Broad, Leach, Porter/Garton, Anderson.
If we're ever going to be successful away from home again we need a proper spin bowler - Leach is currently the best we have and we need to give one of the young quicks a chance I've gone for Porter or Garton, I think Mark Wood is finished at test level.
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Chin up lads. To have been 368/4 and to have lost by an innings is an impressive achievement. ;)
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Root for me is never a captain. give it to Bairstow
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Root for me is never a captain. give it to Bairstow
Root never seems to me to be mentally strong enough. Lost the mind games battle with Smith pretty early. Should of worried about what the Aussies were doing instead of saying.
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Root's looking pretty lost and what he's saying doesn't make sense as in 'we haven't been blown away'.
Unfortunately there were no obvious alternatives when he got the job. Of the automatic selections at the time
Stokes - enough on his plate already (that's when he's not banned)
Bairstow - keeps wicket and is an important batsman...no reason to believe he'd do any better and he's got enough on his plate already.
Anderson - doubt he's up for it or suitable
Broad - doubt he's suitable
Ali - can't see it happening.
So Root got it and will keep it for now - we have to go to Australia better equiped in the bowling department especially.
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Cook 244 not out, good knock but a bit late.
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Good recovery spoilt somewhat by the bizarre decision not to have a nightwatchman. Brain-dead >:(
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Root fancy getting yourself out, thats most likely cost us
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Root in hospital due to severe dehydration. Crazy to play in those temperatures.
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Thank God it's now over. Embarrassing.
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Root in hospital due to severe dehydration. Crazy to play in those temperatures.
Wasn't it due to gastroenteritis? The heat won't have helped mind.
Least the tour is over. Need to have a serious think about our red ball game
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It's interesting - so much of what's being said by people from the England camp in the wake of a dreadful tour sounds a lot like what TP used to say after each dismal defeat.
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I don't think Bayliss is cut out to coach a test team - signs were there when we lost at home to the Windies in Summer.
Ideally, if he could stay on to coach the ODI/T20 teams and we get a new guy in to coach the test team.
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won the one day series, well done england
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Aussie has been conspicuous by his absence since the ODI series started ;D
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well done england bashed the aussies 4-1, great win today
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Our T20 bowling attack is absolute garbage. Big improvements needed.
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Our T20 bowling attack is absolute garbage. Big improvements needed.
Agreed, Woakes is still to come back into that attack and, subject to legal proceedings, Stokes, which will strengthen us moving forward. Wood, Willey and Jordan aren't up to it though. Always makes me laugh with the clamour of wanting Wood back in the side in all formats purely because 'he bowls quick'
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Dunedin looks a fantastic setting where New Zealand are playing England in the 4th ODI. free on sky sports mix tonight.
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Dunedin looks a fantastic setting where New Zealand are playing England in the 4th ODI. free on sky sports mix tonight.
Surreal innings by England. Raced to 260 for 1. Then 46 for 8. Then 18 off the last 5 balls from Curran. Centuries for Bairstow and Root. Single figures for virtually everyone else.
Should still be a winning total but it's a very good pitch.
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Taylor's innings..WOW....
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Mark Wood though... again.
And Morgan, not bowling out Woakes or Curran.
Only ourselves to blame.
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Mark Wood though... again.
And Morgan, not bowling out Woakes or Curran.
Only ourselves to blame.
Agreed. Woakes must always bowl his full allocation.
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Have to say - New Zealand looks a wonderful country to play cricket. What a place
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Surreal innings by England. Raced to 260 for 1. Then 46 for 8. Then 18 off the last 5 balls from Curran. Centuries for Bairstow and Root. Single figures for virtually everyone else.
Should still be a winning total but it's a very good pitch.
one of the craziest one dayers I've seen, sixes and fours all over the place for England until they reached 260, then I think we went 5 overs with a single being the highest scoring run.
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Speechless. England are 23 for 8, 64 minutes into the 1st test.
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Christ. That was not what I was expecting to wake up to...
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October to April, whoever "planned" this tour wants sacking, ridiculous!
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Why do we have to play so much cricket? Money!!! My favourite sport has gone mad. The players will be knackered and although getting good financial rewards will mostly have short carreers.
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Speechless. England are 23 for 8, 64 minutes into the 1st test.
You got your pads? :D
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You got your pads? :D
Season starts in 5 weeks... I'm not in for my batting though...
Was truly awful last night. Here I am again though waiting for it to start. Glutton for punishment.
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Season starts in 5 weeks... I'm not in for my batting though...
Was truly awful last night. Here I am again though waiting for it to start. Glutton for punishment.
Even so, you could still offer something with the bat :D
The rain has been undoubtedly our best player so far
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Aussies cheat at cricket, shock horror no wonder they kicked our arses in the last series, we ought to demand a re-match! :P
Not really they'd still hand us our rear ends without cheating ;D
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England making a better fist of their 2nd innings. Bowling depth extremely concerning outside Anderson and Broad.
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Stoneman absolutely brain dead. Gets his 4th fifty in tests and has been out before reaching 57 each time. Compared to Henry Nicholls who got a century over 4 different days the levels of application are night and day.
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England making a better fist of their 2nd innings. Bowling depth extremely concerning outside Anderson and Broad.
Yes we fail to get the big players out in their own countries. We couldn't get Kohli out in India, Smith in Australia and Williamson starts with a ton in this series. Root should be our big player - talented but usually gets himself out (as do most of the rest also).
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Let's be totally honest we don't have a bowler in Trent Boult's class. He's the Kiwi's best bowler since Hadlee, although Bond was decent when fit.
The pitch was pretty flat when we were shot out for 58 and the Black Caps made 427 on it!
There looks to be a massive problem with England:
1) Trevor Bayliss free wheeling and just picking up his massive salary like Capello/Eriksson?
2) Root not a motivator as captain?
3) Team unable to switch from white ball slogging to Test Match batting?
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We've had a load of trouble against top class left arm pace...Johnson, Stark, Boult.
We haven't for ages had a left armer remotely in that class so our batsmen are not used to it. I've watched a lot of cricket over 50 plus years and I'm struggling to think of one English/British left armer in that class.
Bowling machines in the nets are not the same. So we just need to find a quick left armer who can bowl it in the right place.......
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We have no spinner, only two batsmen capable of making a score and a coach that doesn't watch County Cricket. Where do you start with that?
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Glutton for punishment. I'm here again watching this shambles. Cook is surely finished at test level, find it incredible Vince was recalled and middle order extremely fragile.
Don't even get me started on the useless Wood being back in the team.
Currently 115/5. Just lost 3 wickets for 1 run in 9 balls. Bairstow and Stokes trying to rebuild.
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Glutton for punishment. I'm here again watching this shambles. Cook is surely finished at test level, find it incredible Vince was recalled and middle order extremely fragile.
Don't even get me started on the useless Wood being back in the team.
Currently 115/5. Just lost 3 wickets for 1 run in 9 balls. Bairstow and Stokes trying to rebuild.
I can't work out which one is wetting me off/upsetting me more, these bellends or the tossers in blue and white stripes. World Cup can't come quick enough so those nobs can let me down too haha
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Got themselves out of jail there. Excellent from Bairstow and a great knock from Wood, can't personally see it but maybe it'll give him some confidence and improve upon his dreadful record with the ball.
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Lower order to the rescue as ever
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Aside from Root, Bairstow, and Stokes (in his all rounder position anyway), the rest of the batting line up needs to go. Not remotely good enough and hasn't been for some time.
It's sad to say, but Cook is done, he never really recovered his form 2013 onwards and now gets out too cheaply too often. A couple of double hundreds shouldn't hide that. Stoneman, not good enough by a longshot, Vince one of the worst selections ever (22 average after 13 games!), Malan not good enough either.
Not sure who the replacements should be, but big changes need to happen. Farbrace needs to go, the county championship not producing good enough players is one thing, but he doesn't even pick good players from there. Vince has been in dreadful county form 3 years in a row yet for some reason we persist with him in the naive belief he's going to be good.
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Aside from Root, Bairstow, and Stokes (in his all rounder position anyway), the rest of the batting line up needs to go. Not remotely good enough and hasn't been for some time.
It's sad to say, but Cook is done, he never really recovered his form 2013 onwards and now gets out too cheaply too often. A couple of double hundreds shouldn't hide that. Stoneman, not good enough by a longshot, Vince one of the worst selections ever (22 average after 13 games!), Malan not good enough either.
Not sure who the replacements should be, but big changes need to happen. Farbrace needs to go, the county championship not producing good enough players is one thing, but he doesn't even pick good players from there. Vince has been in dreadful county form 3 years in a row yet for some reason we persist with him in the naive belief he's going to be good.
This is the problem, if you keep throwing people out of the team, who has their hand up to come in ? There's a few candidates for the one day line up but who will have the technique to stand up to test cricket ?
I think it's too early to throw Stoneman out just yet as he's earned the chance with runs in county cricket. He needs to score bigger when he gets to 50 but so far he's had 5 tests against a very strong Aussie attack and it's Boult and Southee in this series.
Not sure why you pick on Farbrace for the selection from the county game. There's a selection committee to blame for that.
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Only England struggle to see out a test match
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So the CC is done until the end of June. No real surprises from the first few games. Runs tough to come by on green pitches, plenty of wickets for the seamers and Worcestershire losing every week (sigh).
Ollie Pope, Rory Burns, Joe Clarke all done their bit to make the selectors sit up and take note. A few wickets for Jake Ball at the start of the season also.
With the first test of the summer against Pakistan starting next week it will be interesting to see what Ed Smith does in his first go at picking a side. My side would be:
Cook
Burns
Root (C)
Malan
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes (wk)
Broad
Leach
Anderson
Ball
On a side note I see Ireland are on their way to an innings defeat in their inaugural test. The Pakistan bowling attack has plenty of variety, will cause England problems should our form from the winter continue.
EDIT: Ireland not giving it up so easily. O'Brien century and if they can manage another 50 or so this morning they set Pakistan a tricky total.
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shocking performance by bat and bowlers
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Just watched the highlights. England were truly awful.
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Crazy number of batting collapses over the last 2 or 3 years. It's not as though they are facing the Windies at their peak or Wasim and Waqar at their peak. Bayliss came in with a reputation of someone who would improve our one day game, which he has, so I guess you reap what you sow but the test performances are woeful and he has to carry the can.
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Where to start.
Too many collapses over the last few years, wrong bowlers getting picked Woakes should have played that Test. Root and Stokes both played criminal shots to get out. Please please please can we find a decent opening batsmen.
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Start of the second test today. Jennings gets another go despite not playing a FC game since the 11th May.
I can realistically see a home summer where we don't win a test match.
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Start of the second test today. Jennings gets another go despite not playing a FC game since the 11th May.
I can realistically see a home summer where we don't win a test match.
Not sure what you want him to do about that given there haven't been any County Championship matches since that date and in that match he hit 126...
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Not sure what you want him to do about that given there haven't been any County Championship matches since that date and in that match he hit 126...
That's the point. How as a selector you're meant to find in form players from the CC when they play two games between early May and September is beyond me. That said, I'd sooner have had Burns, or even Hildreth from Somerset.
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That's the point. How as a selector you're meant to find in form players from the CC when they play two games between early May and September is beyond me. That said, I'd sooner have had Burns, or even Hildreth from Somerset.
Oh, if the criticism is of the scheduling of the County game then I am fully in support, as the current schedule is an absolute nonsense. I thought you were using it as a criticism of Jennings, or his selection.
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Oh, if the criticism is of the scheduling of the County game then I am fully in support, as the current schedule is an absolute nonsense. I thought you were using it as a criticism of Jennings, or his selection.
The scheduling is ridiculous and to think about adding the 100 ball idea along with the franchise t20 is plain stupid.
In fairness I wouldn't have picked Jennings over Burns or Hildreth. Both of whom's records show an ability to accumulate runs that Jennings doesn't have.
Stokes out, Curran likely to make his debut.
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Good to see Woakes back in. Be nice to see him prove doubters wrong again
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Good to see Woakes back in. Be nice to see him prove doubters wrong again
Two wickets already. What a man. Shame he supports the Vile
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good start by england 68-4 broad 2 and woakes 2. lords wickets are rubbish. Klopp i am sure would have something to say
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78-6
All over them
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78-6
All over them
roles reversed
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How inconsistent maybe we have our mojo back? I wouldn’t bet on it though!
Well done lads can we have same next time please
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Anderson and Broad continue to perform, proving the doubters wrong that it's still our batting that needs reinforcement and not the bowling. Still feel the top order needs a massive shake up, even Bairstow is struggling to score a run at present, don't know whether it would be worth taking the gloves off him and giving them to Buttler who impressed. I like Bess also, always seems to be involved in the game. Shame he will more than likely be sent back to Somerset when Leach is back fit.
We may as well stick with Jennings for the remainder of the summer now, he's made runs against India previously. Malan should be dropped but it's anyone's guess who they'll replace him with. Probably Gary Ballance.
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It was 25 years ago today the Shane Warne bowled "The Ball of The Century" to Mike Gatting and what a ball it was!
Unbelievable delivery, as Gatting would attest to and unplayable, which he would also attest to.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXanXViSEOI
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Scotland defeat England in odi. DOH
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Good game to watch. Hales running Root out and then not going on to score big himself was the main turning point.
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Good game to watch. Hales running Root out and then not going on to score big himself was the main turning point.
Not really they should have inebriated it when Ali and Plunkett needed 30 off 6 overs. Pathetic loss really...
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Not really they should have inebriated it when Ali and Plunkett needed 30 off 6 overs. Pathetic loss really...
Still a good game.... but I agree that was the other major turning point after they'd rebuilt. In fairness Watt's figures were outstanding in the context of the game and he did Moeen when he looked in total control.
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England shatter the ODI record with an incredible 481/6
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I only caught about 15 overs as I was at work, but from what I saw of it when Bairstow and Hales were in, they were going big every ball. Hales skied a couple that landed safe, but I loved watching them play with some freedom and confidence in their ability.
Split the test and the one day coaching and the future looks very bright for us. Need a proper test coach in as Bayliss is not performing in that regard.
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1st day of the 1st test against India England collapse from 216/3 to 285/9
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1st day of the 1st test against India England collapse from 216/3 to 285/9
I have booked a day off work and am going tomorrow a bit disappointed England wont be doing much batting!!
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Great start but the same problems persist/
Cook poor.
Root can't convert a 50.
Malan can't score a run.
Bairstow gets himself in and gives his wicket away.
No runs from the supposedly deep batting line up.
I wont write them off completely until India have had a bat but I don't hold out much hope, we simply don't have a bowler on the same planet as Ravi Ashwin.
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The most enjoyable thing about watching the England test team is watching Anderson bowl. A true great of the game, looking forward to tomorrow.
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Boycott always says if you're batting add on 2 wickets to what's on the scoreboard to keep you grounded...in the case of England they need to add on 5 these days.
I rate Stokes, especially as a batsman, but that dismissal on top of one or two similar recently belongs in club cricket.
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Sam Curran - three wickets in eight balls and England are back in the test..
Great opening session
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Love him or loath him or indifferent about him, kholi is a class batsman as he reaches his century
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Kohli was dropped on 21, though. England like to do things the hard way. It will be interesting to see if the selection of Rashid pays off, nothing special so far. Disgraceful kick in the teeth for county cricket players to have Rashid selected ahead of them.
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I have booked a day off work and am going tomorrow a bit disappointed England wont be doing much batting!!
Hope you had a good day mate!
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Have mommy's little soldiers fkd it up again yet?
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Root is a good batsman and at 27 you would expect him to be showing leadership qualities, but I’m not sure if he is Captain material at the moment
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Hope you had a good day mate!
I did thank you Gerry you can't beat sitting relaxing pint in hand watching the cricket! Only problem is I am bald and I am now glowing! If you are up the Albion tomorrow and you see a big fat bloke with a big red head that'll be me!
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oh dear 86 for 6
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England pull it back to win by 31 runs
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England dominating . Folk who put brollies up before it starts to rain should be banned
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The most enjoyable thing about watching the England test team is watching Anderson bowl. A true great of the game, looking forward to tomorrow.
I think I might shed a tear when he retires.
There are no words to describe how good he is.
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“England great to retire from international cricket after fifth Testâ€
Alistair Cook announces he is stepping, he’s record at international level speaks volumes about his quality
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45388727
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I think I might shed a tear when he retires.
There are no words to describe how good he is.
How do you replace the irreplaceable?
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Alistair cook . Legend
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How do you replace the irreplaceable?
You can't.
We are also about to find out how good a player Alastair Cook was.
An absolute class act, on and off the field.
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Perhaps now he's announced his retirement the ECB can get over their weird idea of not picking Rory Burns because he's left handed.
No doubt instead we'll see some one-day dasher who averages 27 in red ball cricket given a chance first.
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Alastair Cook. Legend.
Starts and ends his career with three figures.
Thanks for the memories Chef !
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Alastair Cook. Legend.
Starts and ends his career with three figures.
Thanks for the memories Chef !
A truly fitting end to a great career.
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The Chef and his mentor Graham Gooch two of the greatest English batsmen of the modern era.
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The least said about the England cricket team at the moment, the better I think
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Deservedly lost again. Windies are full value for 2-0.
England have lost the art of Test Match Batting which is to occupy the crease and wear down the bowlers. The talent is there, just too much white ball cricket has led to muddled thinking.
I'm pleased Bayliss is going, he never seems to give much insight during interviews.
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my favourite sport is now in full international flow
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my favourite sport is now in full international flow
Decent platform for England shame Buttler dragged on when he was about to fire.
Looking forward to seeing Jofra.
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my favourite sport is now in full international flow
Mine too until Bairstow was out without scoring I've had him to be top scorer and England to beat India in the final!!
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Mine too until Bairstow was out without scoring I've had him to be top scorer and England to beat India in the final!!
a certain brand of football tipped me to like cricket more, i do miss henry blofeld
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Decent platform for England shame Buttler dragged on when he was about to fire.
Looking forward to seeing Jofra.
so far so good he as took both wickets to fall so far!
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so far so good he as took both wickets to fall so far!
Yeah it was a good start. Getting away from us a bit now Moeen and Buttler very sloppy last few overs.
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Yeah it was a good start. Getting away from us a bit now Moeen and Buttler very sloppy last few overs.
Cue Saffers collapse ;D
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That's a really commanding win. It should put the likes of India on notice.
Stokes and Archer particularly impressive.
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That's a really commanding win. It should put the likes of India on notice.
Stokes and Archer particularly impressive.
Agree i thought Stokes was very good.
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THE catch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/48467301
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I think the beauty of this England team is that we are not reliant upon 1/ 2 / 3 players, there is quality throughout the squad
Very professional performance today and that catch :o :o :o
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THE catch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/48467301
WOW :o
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England require 349 to win against Pakistan
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Pakistan beat England by 14 runs
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Very ordinary performance against poor side who had lost 12 on the bounce.
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Shocking fielding performance. The bowlers, despite what the scoreline would suggest, actually weren't all that bad, Trent Bridge is notorious for high scoring matches. Root and Buttler were great with the bat, but we lost the game because of the fielding costing us an extra 20-30 runs and none of the other batsmen stepping up to the plate, if someone else had hit a 50 with those pair performing as they did, we would have won at a canter.
Moeen is completely gone as a batsman currently.
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Pretty shocking batting performance so far by England today.
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Bottled it again. What is it with England's national teams?
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Our bowling and fielding were below the standards they have set in recent months as well
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We bowled very badly first up. They've bowled very well.
Now the ball is a bit older Stokes and Buttler look comfortable (touch wood).
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stokes gone at a crucial time, just looked like we were getting the upperhand.
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Horrible to watch such a talented team bottle it like this. I don't think we've ever had a football team as good as this cricket team yet the result is the same , can't handle pressure.
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We bowled very badly first up. They've bowled very well.
Now the ball is a bit older Stokes and Buttler look comfortable (touch wood).
Woakes bowled a decent spell, could have been fuller though, but Archer and Wood were terrible first up.
The batting continues to leave a lot to be desired. It is all well and good bludgeoning the best part of 400 against Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but that isn't what wins your tournaments.
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Woakes bowled a decent spell, could have been fuller though, but Archer and Wood were terrible first up.
The batting continues to leave a lot to be desired. It is all well and good bludgeoning the best part of 400 against Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but that isn't what wins your tournaments.
You’re right, but, as I understand it, run rate can be important in helping us to qualify for the semis if we are tied on points with another country, so I suppose it does help.
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Woakes bowled a decent spell, could have been fuller though, but Archer and Wood were terrible first up.
The batting continues to leave a lot to be desired. It is all well and good bludgeoning the best part of 400 against Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but that isn't what wins your tournaments.
Winning is a million miles away mate, we need to get their heads together and win the next two to ensure qualification.
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Woakes was no better than Archer, both bowled too short, far too short and were shown the way by Starc and co later in the day.
The less said about Wood the better. Just hasn't got anything about him. Same goes for Vince. We're in a poor run at the minute, but we've been racking up big scores against all comers for the last 3 or 4 years, not just against the minnows, so that is very knee jerk...
Fancy us to win on Sunday against India with Jason Roy (and hopefully Plunkett) back into the side.
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England are paying the price for being too casual and complacent v Pakistan and Sri Lanka. They are just not ruthless enough when compared against the Windies from 1980's or Aussies from 1990's.
I don't see England beating India. I reckon India could field 3 exceptional teams in this World Cup. This is powered from the decade running IPL and the pressure that brings plus drawing from a 1.2 bn population where Cricket is the No11. My dad was in Mumbai at 10am on a Monday and there were cricket matches being played everywhere!!!
As for Eng v Aus, Starc is by far the best bowler from any team and prides himself on taking wickets not economy rate.
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No1 even
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Jesus Chrkst, looks like we going out. With Pakistan favourites to win their last two games, we need to beat New Zealand and India. How did we make such a pigs ear of this?
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Did we peak too early in the lead up? Knew the pressure of a home World Cup would get to us. Going to need a monumental effort to win 4 games on the bounce against the best teams in the world now, especially with how we have been playing.
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Or are we victims of an over inflated national ego, cricket / rugby / football every tournament we enter, we big ourselves up and then almost always fail. We are just not as good as we think we are, the rest of the world know it but we remain in denial it’s all a bit sad actually
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We scored the record run score against Outer Mongolia. We are the greatest side of all time ;D
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There is a lot of ability in the England batting but Root and Stokes aside, it needs a bit more brain engagement under pressure from the rest. Starc's bowling at those two pretty much decided the match the other day.
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We’ve really missed Jason Roy who is a world class Batsman/opener. Quite simply James Vince is terrible who can’t get past 25 so it puts a lot of pressure on Root who comes in at 3. Morgan is fantastic but far too aggressive and needs to manage how he bats better
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I really like the England cricketers. Compared to their footballing counterparts they are relatively down to earth and decent role models for youngsters (on the field anyway). I always get behind them whereas I am not arsed about England football.
That said, far too many of them have lost form at the wrong time. Rashid is not bowling at his best and Morgan (apart from smashing Afghanistan around the park) has had a stinker of a tournament. Vince is obviously not upto it and our best one day player, Jos Buttler, is struggling a little. Just bad timing really.
I can't see us beating India on Sunday, so it'll be curtains for us which obviously is very disappointing.
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Great innings today, apart from Morgan, kids stuff from him again, looks like it will be enough and we'll live to fight another day.
Just wish Morga would drop this arrogant ice man image and admit we are under pressure as the home side, might free his shoulders up a bit.
Quality and we are favourites again, come on England!
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Great innings today, apart from Morgan, kids stuff from him again, looks like it will be enough and we'll live to fight another day.
Just wish Morga would drop this arrogant ice man image and admit we are under pressure as the home side, might free his shoulders up a bit.
Quality and we are favourites again, come on England!
If we don't dismiss Kohli soon we'll lose this game.
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If we don't dismiss Kohli soon we'll lose this game.
And there it is. Almost as soon as I clicked post. ;D
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Dare I say it (it’s not over yet) but this has been a fantastic performance from England from the both the batting and bowling side.
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India need 44 runs in the last over!
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India need 44 runs in the last over!
Congratulations England!
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Showed real class today and beat the (2nd) best in the world.
Let's go all the way now!
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Looking at the next game we must surely bat first if we win the toss? Forget pitch, swing and all that bollox just get in and post a score, only time we've struggled is when chasing. Keep it simple and play to our strengths
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Phew, that was a relief, but much still to do to qualify for the semis
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From the games final overs I am not convinced India wanted to win
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Tremendous win under pressure. Just got to beat the Kiwis.
Concerned about the Aussies with Starc, easily the best bowler.
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Great result for England. I have tickets for the Semi at Edgbaston. Really hoping England beat New Zealand for a England v India Semi final game. There won't be any of this last 10 over conservative stuff to protect wickets to improve the run rate.
I can see splitting teams on equal points by run rate in the table changing it ruined the end of yesterdays game.
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Nail biting stuff at the moment, great comeback by the Kiwi's to demolish our middle order.
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England 305 off 50,
NZ 14-2 off 5,
great start for England bowlers
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Great win. Hopefully Sri Lanka was the kick up the arris we needed and we can go on and win it now.
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Just need to keep winning the toss.
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We were fortunate and somewhat flukey to pick up the dangerous Williamson’s wicket so cheaply, but who cares he was out!
Good team performance with our bowlers keeping it tight and so effectively restricting NZ’s run chase.
Bairstow deservedly collecting the Man of the Match award for a brilliant and robust innings
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Australia in the semi then.
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Australia in the semi then.
Have to fancy us at Edgbaston against anyone, will be good to get the Aussies out of the way.
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Have to fancy us at Edgbaston against anyone, will be good to get the Aussies out of the way.
I said it would be England v India in the Final! Nearly there.
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fantastic start by england
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fantastic start by england
Cone onnnn Australia 14/2!!
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14/3!!
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190 / 7 off 43.
Should end up being an achievable target, need to keep the cheat off strike and the total will be manageable
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Just need to see off Starc.
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Just need to see off Starc.
yep get his (Starcs) first stint out of the way and we have lots of time to play with.
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C'mon England- got yourselves into a fantastic position, now lets set up a precedent for the Ashes !
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That Hat trick of Sixes from Roy was great to watch. :P
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Congratulations England on a Comfortable win :D
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Well that was emphatic, only lost 2 wickets and 1 of those was not out ! Well done chaps
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Been to Edgbaston today! What an experience and what a team. Come on england!
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That Hat trick of Sixes from Roy was great to watch. :P
Thats how to deal with a cheat.... great stuff!! ;D
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That was my first ODI game ever, not a bad one to start with. Absolutely brilliant stuff. Smith's over was the highlight and that 3rd 6 neallry clearing the stands.
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the best atmosphere i have experienced at a sporting event was an ODI against India in the Hollis stand, simply brilliant and football has never come close to it sad to say !
i envy everyone who was there yesterday !
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Very poor last 3 hours from England after a brilliant first 40 odd overs.
Badly missed Anderson or dare I say, Archer when bowling to Siddle and Lyon.
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Very poor last 3 hours from England after a brilliant first 40 odd overs.
Badly missed Anderson or dare I say, Archer when bowling to Siddle and Lyon.
Not much to disagree with here..
Looking forward to seeing Archer
Despite hating him - Steve Smith is incredible.
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Awful day at Edgbaston again today, Englands attack utterly clueless and toothless. From 122-8 on the first afternoon Australia now cannot lose the test match. Appalling from England, they declared 7 down today so their last 9 wickets have amassed 649 runs.
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Losing Anderson couldn't have helped, but not having an in form spin bowler seems to have been the main issue. Moeen didn't look on it in the morning session I watched. Got to hope we can dig in for a draw now. No early wickets!
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Is there a pay on the gate option today?
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Is there a pay on the gate option today?
To get in or out?
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Is there a pay on the gate option today?
I don't know for certain, but I'm betting not many tickets are sold for a fifth day of a test match these days. So, yes there will be walk up ticket sales.
You could phone them to and ask on this number, 0121 369 1994
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Is there a pay on the gate option today?
Just heard on TSM, tickets are available on the gate for £25
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No way should England lose this test.
It will be one of the greatest collapses over five days and god knows we've given some competition.
Tea on the first day seems a very long time ago..
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85 for 5.
It's so annoying, on the first day we had the Ozzies 30 for 3 and 128-8.
If that had been the Ozzies, they would have had their foot on our throat and squeezed the life out of us, metaphorically speaking, and this test match would have been over in 3 days!
What is it with our attitude to the game compared to theirs?
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No way should England lose this test.
It will be one of the greatest collapses over five days and god knows we've given some competition.
Tea on the first day seems a very long time ago..
Tea on the final day is a long way away as well.......
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Utter shambles, this.
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Speaking as a Scot... hard cheese chaps :)
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That was as shocking batting. Not surprised one bit mind very rarely. Ali, Denly and maybe now Bairstow to be dropped. Time for Leach maybe Curran, but Stokes at five and move Woakes up.
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Speaking as a Scot... hard cheese chaps :)
Speaking as a World Cup Winner, hard cheese in not making the finals ;)
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We are England we just have to turn up to win ;D
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So any of you guys worked out how to get Steve Smith out yet?
I’m looking forward to kicking back tonight and watching him do his stuff.
But if you do get him out we’ll fold like a bad poker hand.
We have no batsmen beside him.
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So any of you guys worked out how to get Steve Smith out yet?
I’m looking forward to kicking back tonight and watching him do his stuff.
But if you do get him out we’ll fold like a bad poker hand.
We have no batsmen beside him.
Cheating convict should with anybody else caught doing likewise have been banned for life !!
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Cheating convict should with anybody else caught doing likewise have been banned for life !!
Michael Atherton?
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Exactly, lots of hypocrisy from certain quarters on this one. I will be at Lord’s today ( and tomorrow) hoping for an England win but with an ear on the mobile for the score at Kenilworth Road between 3 & 5pm this afternoon. We need Jofra Archer to test Steve Smith early this morning....
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Did Atherton actually break the rules ? I honestly can't remember it. According to the wise old wiki it states
His reputation suffered a blow when he was implicated in a ball-tampering controversy during the first Test against South Africa at Lord's, for which he was fined £2,000 by Ray Illingworth. Atherton was accused of lying to Peter Burge, the match referee.[citation needed] Atherton claims in his autobiography that he answered 'no' when asked if he had anything in his pockets. He believed that Burge was referring to nefarious substances such as resin or lip salve. Nonetheless the TV pictures were damning, showing Atherton deliberately putting dirt, taken from the pitch, on the ball. Strictly speaking, Atherton was not breaking the laws – he pointed out that plenty of bowlers improve their grip on the ball by rubbing their hands on the pitch
If its cheating then he deserves exactly the same as Smith, Warner and Bancroft, permanent ban, a cheat is a cheat.
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Regardless of the cheating Steve Smith is an excellent batsman. A pleasure to watch him.
I have tickets for day 5 so hopefully the rain now stays away and allows the chance of a result.
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Did Atherton actually break the rules ? I honestly can't remember it. According to the wise old wiki it states
His reputation suffered a blow when he was implicated in a ball-tampering controversy during the first Test against South Africa at Lord's, for which he was fined £2,000 by Ray Illingworth. Atherton was accused of lying to Peter Burge, the match referee.[citation needed] Atherton claims in his autobiography that he answered 'no' when asked if he had anything in his pockets. He believed that Burge was referring to nefarious substances such as resin or lip salve. Nonetheless the TV pictures were damning, showing Atherton deliberately putting dirt, taken from the pitch, on the ball. Strictly speaking, Atherton was not breaking the laws – he pointed out that plenty of bowlers improve their grip on the ball by rubbing their hands on the pitch
If its cheating then he deserves exactly the same as Smith, Warner and Bancroft, permanent ban, a cheat is a cheat.
As you say Athers was done for lying. Soil/dirt would not abrade the ball.
Regardless of the cheating Steve Smith is an excellent batsman. A pleasure to watch him.
I have tickets for day 5 so hopefully the rain now stays away and allows the chance of a result.
I wouldn't say a pleasure, its ungainly, ugly and awkward. That said you have admire his sheer persistence and concentration along with his incredibly good hand eye coordination. Most people trying his shuffle would average mid 20s in test cricket and be out lbw more often than not.
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Well that’s one way of getting him out. Smack him in the head.
Have to say though Archer is bowling brilliantly and frighteningly fast.
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Have we just decided to attempt to kill Smith?!
Archer's got them rattled, it's great to watch. Shame th Aussies have come back.
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Well that’s one way of getting him out. Smack him in the head.
Have to say though Archer is bowling brilliantly and frighteningly fast.
Bodyline, introduced by ??
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Archer bowled a ball at 96 mph wow!!
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I had a fantastic day on Sunday - Lords really is a great sporting venue.
Good news - Steve Smith out of the third test due to concussion.
Declare victory now. ;D
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You accept every advantage that comes your way when playing Ashes Test cricket and that goes for both sides as no quarter is given or expected.
Having said that, I am disappointed that Smith won’t be available, he is, without doubt a master craftsman with the “willow†and it is a joy watching him plying his trade so effortlessly and expertly.
I have spent so much time feeling an irrational dislike for the opponents players, in any sport, that had genuine quality and, as a consequence, I have missed, overlooked and didn’t appreciate their quality and some outstanding performance that I now realise I will never get the opportunity to see and fully appreciate again. So, these days, I just applaud and cheer to myself when I see that quality in front of me.
Athletes careers are relatively short and as the saying goes 'You Don't Know What You Have Until It's Gone' and I have had so many moments like that that I want to see the best perform at their best even if it is to the detriment of my team or country.
I also think that Smith, his teammates Warner and Bancroft were harshly treated with the length of the bans they received for ball tampering, a dark art that has been practised in the game for many, many years and by very high ranking senior players of all nationalities. They were unfortunate in that they were found guilty and were made examples of to act as a deterrent, I hope it does, but I very much doubt it. That’s my view.
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Today only makes the decision not to pick Archer at Edgbaston look worse.
Superb bowling.
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Today only makes the decision not to pick Archer at Edgbaston look worse.
Superb bowling.
I thought he was injured and they rested him? Brilliant today!
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All I had been hearing all day on the radio was how Root's decision to bowl first had backfired spectacularly and at half 5 we were 130-2. Was shocked to see us bowl them out in the final 2 hours (although Stokes got very lucky).
Surely Root is due a big innings now at his home ground of all places.
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Why are we persisting with opening with Roy?
He is not a test batsman.
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Why are we persisting with opening with Roy?
He is not a test batsman.
He is not a test opener; that much is clear. He needs to be given a position in the middle order to determine whether or not he is a test batsman, however.
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A batting line up that is not designed for test cricket. Beyond pathetic now.
More gutted I've got tickets for the Oval. Be over by then.
I'd seriously consider opening with Burns and Denly. Move Bairstow to 3. Root at 4 and then a toss up between who comes in next; either Stokes or Roy. Buttler is struggling for form at the moment and can be replaced by Foakes to take keep wicket, allowing Bairstow to focus on his batting.
I think after the Ashes we may have to consider removing Denly permanently.
These are pretty seismic changes to be making during a series. We'll continue to plod along and throwing test matches away.
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54-6 at lunch. A typical England collapse.
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Woakes first ball after lunch.. ::)
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This is utterly diabolical batting. Some serious questions need to be asked.
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Doesn’t get much more embarrassing than that. Root needs to be dropped as Captain
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Crikey.
Series over.
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There are a lack of test cricket batsmen in general now across the globe, due to the amount of money in limited overs cricket. While bowlers can adapt fairly easily across the formats, the batting styles are completely different.
We seem to be particularly struggling, possibly not helped by having a limited overs specialist in charge of the team in Bayliss. It might improve with the new coach coming in but it won't change the fact that more and more cricketers are becoming short form specialists.
Maybe we need to offer more money for long form specialists so that it is more attractive for county cricketers to focus on this style rather than looking towards IPL and Big bash contracts.
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So many reasons to why we are a very poor batting test side. The structure of our domestic summer, playing a county game in the middle of the T20 offers no help whatsoever to batsmen. The team is full of ODI players, Root should be at four that's where he bats bests, Denly isn't up to standard. Roy should be lower down the order, Buttler can't or very rarely battle
Our batting since Bayliss came in has been very poor. When did we last score 400 in a test match?
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There are a lack of test cricket batsmen in general now across the globe, due to the amount of money in limited overs cricket. While bowlers can adapt fairly easily across the formats, the batting styles are completely different.
We seem to be particularly struggling, possibly not helped by having a limited overs specialist in charge of the team in Bayliss. It might improve with the new coach coming in but it won't change the fact that more and more cricketers are becoming short form specialists.
Maybe we need to offer more money for long form specialists so that it is more attractive for county cricketers to focus on this style rather than looking towards IPL and Big bash contracts.
Agree with you 100% on this.
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So it's dust to dust for another Ashes series then.
Not really into cricket but here's hoping 2021 doesn't go up in a puff of smoke too.
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Wow! What a game! England win by 1 wicket. Fair play lads!
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Wow! What a game! England win by 1 wicket. Fair play lads!
Fair play Ben Stokes! What a player.
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So it's dust to dust for another Ashes series then.
Not really into cricket but here's hoping 2021 doesn't go up in a puff of smoke too.
You were saying?!
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Not really into cricket, but had to stop the car and listen to the last few overs. That Ben Stokes must get into the New Years honours list.
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Wow, wow, wow. Australia chucking their review away was particularly delicious. Ben Stokes, what a hero.
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Fantastic performance.
Sports personality of the year sorted early this year
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Land of Hope, Glory and Ben Stokes!
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When we came to be 100 behind, I just knew that I had to stop what I was doing and watch it as something special could happen. The two cheap wickets didnt help but after that it was probably one of the most enthralling games I have seen for a long time. The Aussies could have bowled at Ben all night long and not got him out he was unplayable. Wonderful stuff all round.
After our first innings [ and much gaffawing from 'down under'] you could have got an England victory at 25/1 with the bookies......lesson learnt.
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You were saying?!
I was saying I'm not really into cricket but hoped for better times for England in the future. England cricket supporters have got their better, just a little sooner than expected.
To be honest I didn't even know what the earlier score was and only discovered the extent of the initial England collapse yesterday. My comments were made having read those of tittybabbas on the tw@tter and several online forums.
Generally the only time I take much interest in cricket is when we play Australia. I'd want us to smash them all over the place if it were tiddlywinks. Come on England and all of the very best for the rest of the Ashes 8) .
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This thread has gone very quiet! It's a shame the way the series has played out but is Smith and Labushagne Australia have had two batsmen who have batted well every single innings whereas we haven't, even Stokes has had some poor ones. We've been weak at the top and weak in tail. We constantly seem to have been swimming against the tide in this series and have never looked in control at any point.
It's been a great series to watch but we need some test-style batsmen and some more resilience in the tail-end (as Overton and Leach recently showed - is possible!).
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This thread has gone very quiet! It's a shame the way the series has played out but is Smith and Labushagne Australia have had two batsmen who have batted well every single innings whereas we haven't, even Stokes has had some poor ones. We've been weak at the top and weak in tail. We constantly seem to have been swimming against the tide in this series and have never looked in control at any point.
It's been a great series to watch but we need some test-style batsmen and some more resilience in the tail-end (as Overton and Leach recently showed - is possible!).
I would add weak in the middle order.
We're expecting some one-day flat track bullies to make the transition to test cricket, whilst often being thrown in at the deep end because of our inability to open.
I'm not expecting much to change either..
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I would add weak in the middle order.
We're expecting some one-day flat track bullies to make the transition to test cricket, whilst often being thrown in at the deep end because of our inability to open.
I'm not expecting much to change either..
Yes, i'm not a cricket expert but i've spoken a lot to my friend who adores test cricket and he says that this country is basically coming further and further away from test match cricket with 20/20 and i think something along the lines of a 10 over match planned soon? People won't know how to play test match cricket for a day soon let alone 5.
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worst australian cricket team of all time i heard a top pundit say
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As a Warwickshire fan, nice to see Sibley hit a century in the warm up game ahead of the two test series in NZ. He certainly has the temprament and technique for it, time will tell as to whether he is up to the pressure and increased bowling skill he will face. He can't be any worse than Roy, though, who was an abberation of a selection.
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As a Warwickshire fan, nice to see Sibley hit a century in the warm up game ahead of the two test series in NZ. He certainly has the temprament and technique for it, time will tell as to whether he is up to the pressure and increased bowling skill he will face. He can't be any worse than Roy, though, who was an abberation of a selection.
Fingers crossed. He was a run machine last season.
Looking forward to seeing a partnership blossom with Rory Burns.
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worst australian cricket team of all time i heard a top pundit say
I’ve just clocked this and it did make I smile 😊 But what does it say about our lot?
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First time seeing Sibley, it took me about 2 minutes to work out he was hopeless on off stump or just outside, took New Zealand approx 100 minutes. How do such limited players find themselves in the national side?
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First time seeing Sibley, it took me about 2 minutes to work out he was hopeless on off stump or just outside, took New Zealand approx 100 minutes. How do such limited players find themselves in the national side?
In Sibley's case it's the runs he scored last summer in Div 1 of the Championship which should be a strong guide. I know what you're saying though, at test match level limitations and technical flaws get found out. Same thing applied to Westley of Essex who was a very leg side dominated player - he got found out. Still it's early days for Sibley.
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Very very poor batting this morning to throw away all that hard work yesterday. A lot of pressure on Jos Buttler to make this a decent total now.
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Infuriating watching this England side under Root's captaincy. His use of Jofra Archer is borderline negligent.
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What an awful 4 days of test cricket as an England fan. They are seriously poor. This lad Sibley is abysmal. It's an absolute road and him and Burns have made it look like Sabina Park in the mid 90s.
Someone said this Santners best ever bowling. BEST EVER, 3 fer. He's an international bowler. Sh1te.
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What an awful 4 days of test cricket as an England fan. They are seriously poor. This lad Sibley is abysmal. It's an absolute road and him and Burns have made it look like Sabina Park in the mid 90s.
Someone said this Santners best ever bowling. BEST EVER, 3 fer. He's an international bowler. Sh1te.
Sibley finding out just what a big jump to test cricket it is.
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Same old England in tests, I'm afraid. Awful shot selection, toothless bowling and lacklustre in the field. Think it may be time to give someone else the captaincy to be honest.
Of course, I am hoping a bit of reverse psychology may give us the edge later, but I have very little faith we'll bat the day out to be honest.
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Same old England in tests, I'm afraid. Awful shot selection, toothless bowling and lacklustre in the field. Think it may be time to give someone else the captaincy to be honest.
Of course, I am hoping a bit of reverse psychology may give us the edge later, but I have very little faith we'll bat the day out to be honest.
As Jacko has pointed out about Root. He needs to be removed as England captain.
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Root though.
Remember when he was mentioned in same breath as Kohli, Smith and Williamson?
Distant days those. Taking the captaincy off him before the next test is the only way forward imo.
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Capitulation, approached the day totally wrong, far too negative, they should have got the 260 by tea. Only Denly, Curran and Archer come out with any credit.
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Shocking they couldn't defend the stumps on that pitch. It's becoming all too familiar these collapses. Back to the drawing board and basics for many, perfect example was Stokes, nearly bowled out by an in swinger and instead of showing a bit of patience he slashes at the next ball gets an outside edge that luckily flies over the keepers head.
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Just seen the 'highlights'. Beyond atrocious. Another pathetic shot from Root and he seriously should be replaced now. Huge game coming up now. Another surrender and could be curtains for a few of them.
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The team has been heavily shaped to play limited overs cricket with an eye in this years ine day world cup. It worked in that we win the World Cup and are probably the best one day side in the world, but Bayliss' alledgedly cared little for the long form of the game and it looks like it has had an impact.
Give it a few years of a change of focus and we could have a good test side again. Frustrating that Aus, India and NZ seem to be able to play all 3 forms though without too many issues.
All or nothing with English sport.
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Decent start here by England, Williamson gone early. I look forward to our plans for Watling.
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Never complaining about VAR again after seeing that decision by the 3rd umpire on the clearest lbw you'd ever see.
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I've been in Hamilton for all of the week until now and I tell you it was nothing but wall-to-wall sunshine and warmth :P
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Never complaining about VAR again after seeing that decision by the 3rd umpire on the clearest lbw you'd ever see.
I haven't seen it yet but assuming it meets the criteria of where the ball pitches (hawkeye decides that) and if the batsman is playing a shot or not, then isn't it all down to ball tracking ? i.e. it's totally decided by the technology not the 3rd umpire ?
Were there some different circumstances for this one ?
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Never complaining about VAR again after seeing that decision by the 3rd umpire on the clearest lbw you'd ever see.
Not even if that VAR decision leads to an opportunity to vilify Jake Livermore?
This I've got to see ;D ;) .
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I haven't seen it yet but assuming it meets the criteria of where the ball pitches (hawkeye decides that) and if the batsman is playing a shot or not, then isn't it all down to ball tracking ? i.e. it's totally decided by the technology not the 3rd umpire ?
Were there some different circumstances for this one ?
Aussie 3rd umpire invented an inside edge on as plumb an lbw as you'll see.
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Aussie 3rd umpire invented an inside edge on as plumb an lbw as you'll see.
ah right, again the combination of snicko and hot spot should decide that...but sometimes very thin edges hardly register. I'll have a look later.
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Aussie 3rd umpire invented an inside edge on as plumb an lbw as you'll see.
Finally watched it - assume you're talking about the Ross Taylor non LBW ? I hate to disagree :) but there was a faint spot that showed up on hot spot in the place where the ball passed the bat...and also a faint spike on snicko at the same time. If there was one without the other I'd say it wasn't conclusive enough but given that both picked up something then correct decision.
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Finally watched it - assume you're talking about the Ross Taylor non LBW ? I hate to disagree but there was a faint spot that showed up on hot spot in the place where the ball passed the bat...and also a faint spike on snicko at the same time. If there was one without the other I'd say it wasn't conclusive enough but given that both picked up something then correct decision.
Nothing on hotspot, Snicko in wrong frame. Out of 6 Sky commentators (happened on a changeover, 3 Sky pundits in UK studio, the 3rd umpire, myself and you, only you and the 3rd umpire think he hit it.
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Nothing on hotspot, Snicko in wrong frame. Out of 6 Sky commentators (happened on a changeover, 3 Sky pundits in UK studio, the 3rd umpire, myself and you, only you and the 3rd umpire think he hit it.
I'll accept what you say about the commentators as I wasn't watching at the time. The 3rd umpire seemed to think it was in the same frame...there was definitely something on hotspot, they showed it back several times on the highlights ! Whatever.... you saying that the 3rd umpire invented an inside edge is not really logical. The 3rd umpire knows that there's a 4th umpire and match referee around who will also look, plus the on-field umpires will be keen to look when they are off the field....plus all the analysts and supporters watching it...he'd be plain stupid or bent to overturn a decision based on nothing.
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Another underwhelming day, good to see a couple of centuries, but it's all too slow, there isn't time to get into a winning position from here.
I also seriously worry about our top 6 going to South Africa, it's very fragile.
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Another underwhelming day, good to see a couple of centuries, but it's all too slow, there isn't time to get into a winning position from here.
I also seriously worry about our top 6 going to South Africa, it's very fragile.
It just seems whomever is in at 3, 4 or 5 and able to bat to their strengths because we lose wickets to early, o close together and it's painful because it's so bleeding obvious yet we can't seem to address it. Our tail hasn't really been resilient enough when it matters.
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Bob Willis has died :(
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Bob Willis has died :(
Remember him well. Same age.
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Nice to see Jimmy Anderson fit again. Straight back into the team for Boxing Day please.
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A good first day in the field for England in the test match with SA ending the day on 277-9
England won the toss and decided to field on what some commentators said was a docile wicket and ideal for batsmen.
Young Curran took 4 for 57 with an economy rate of 3.00
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A good first day in the field for England in the test match with SA ending the day on 277-9
England won the toss and decided to field on what some commentators said was a docile wicket and ideal for batsmen.
Young Curran took 4 for 57 with an economy rate of 3.00
111/5 suggests the day should have been a lot better.
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Yet another collapse by England, this is happening far too often.
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And will continue to happen..
Not sure why we expect it to be so different
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It will take a change of emphasis at the ECB and a couple of years developing a new side. I'd like to see Root lose the captaincy, even if it is just so that he can focus on his batting and get back to challenging Smith, Kohli and Williamson as the top test batsman in the world.
As for the rest, our bowling is ok, even if light on a spinner, but we just don't have a top or middle order. We have loads of bowlers who can bat a bit (Woakes, Broad, Archer, Leach) but one or two of them getting 15-20 runs at the tail isn't enough if the top and middle orders are like wet paper.
Too much focus on short form cricket (which had given us 2 great sides) has really hurt our ability in tests.
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Root has shown once again why he is a poor captain. Win the toss and bat first and put the pressure on a pretty brittle South African batting line up.
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I suspect that the reason Root chose to bowl first was that he was frightened of a batting collapse on a pitch with a bit of green on it. One day ‘cricket’, especially the abominable 20-20, is ruining cricket. The ECB are idiots, introducing another short format, the (100), will only be detrimental to the real game.
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Another day, another collapse.
Root must go now. Bowling at the toss was an incredibly poor decision.
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The good news on an otherwise miserable batting performance for England, is that Ben Stokes's father is out of intensive care
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Paper talk that from 2023, test matches will be played over four days and not five days
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Paper talk that from 2023, test matches will be played over four days and not five days
The players and major venues are not happy, allegedly, with the ECB supporting 4 Day test Matches. I dare say, they will lose money if it happens.
Many Test Matches are decided before the fifth day anyway, but I suspect everybody gets paid regardless of that in the 5 day format
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Burns out for the rest of the tour after a football injury and Archer might be out ofbthe next test as well (i think sickness).
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Utter stupidness. Giles warned Root of this previously.
Crowley to replace Burns unless Ollie Pope is still suffering with sickness. I like Burns a lot - adapted well to test cricket
Archer is struggling with a sore elbow.
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How many times has this happened now? Utter farce.
I can't help but feel this will be Root's last tour as captain.
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To rub salt in, it was Root who caught Burns in the achiles area.
Hussain and Ward on Sky also mentioned a bit of a clash between Pope and Parkinson during footie yesterday. Parkinson apparently went in harder than is supposed to be allowed in these kick abouts and Pope took offence. Surely has to stop now.
Archer has an elbow problem by all accounts, unrelated to footie or sickness.
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I'm all for anything that results in Root losing the captaincy.
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Plenty of Albion flags in Cape Town - I'm very jealous. Hopefully they actually see some decent test cricket from England for a change.
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I see our batsmen are off to a flier again, 143-4 off 54 Overs
Crawley c de Kock b Philander 4
Sibley c de Kock b Rabada 34
Denly b Maharaj 38
Root c de Kock b Nortje 35
Stokes not out 22
Pope not out 5
Extras 0nb 0w 4b 1lb 5
Total (54.0 overs) 143-for4
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England are an appalling test batting team. Dreadful again today.
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England are an appalling test batting team. Dreadful again today.
Beyond a joke now.
This is a good batting wicket and we are still struggling to get 250+
Something has got to change.
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Beyond a joke now.
This is a good batting wicket and we are still struggling to get 250+
Something has got to change.
It's an absolute road. This approach is nowhere near as effective of the previous one where they just twa**ed everything.
Bess now the last chance to get above 300.
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It's an absolute road. This approach is nowhere near as effective of the previous one where they just twa**ed everything.
Bess now the last chance to get above 300.
Golden duck.
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That Broad wicket is comical. I was laughing along with KP.
This tour is going to go down in infamy.
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262-9 Pope played very well. We have some hope SA batting isn't that great and I read that a average first day score is 266-8.
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262-9 Pope played very well. We have some hope SA batting isn't that great and I read that a average first day score is 266-8.
We will only know how well or how poorly we have batted when the SA bat.
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We will only know how well or how poorly we have batted when the SA bat.
We won't, if SA post a similar total we'll know they also batted poorly.
Headlines this afternoon include words like 'dismal'.
This wicket is a road, SA failing on it won't excuse England's failures. Australia would have ended the day on about 380/3.
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That Broad wicket is comical. I was laughing along with KP.
This tour is going to go down in infamy.
My mates gone for the whole tour , his first one .
Might be the last as well :o
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I've heard the England cricket team are going to declare.........
............. themselves ethical vegans to avoid further slaughter.
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We won't, if SA post a similar total we'll know they also batted poorly.
Headlines this afternoon include words like 'dismal'.
This wicket is a road, SA failing on it won't excuse England's failures. Australia would have ended the day on about 380/3.
Or our bowlers bowled as well as their bowlers.
My, my you are coming across as an angry young man in your recent posts, more noticeable than your usual normal considered and measured approach if you don’t mind me saying so :)
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Has the fight back started?
SA 38-2 (10 Overs)
We shall wait, watch and see. COYE!!!!
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60-3 at lunch, given ourselves a good chance need to have at least a 20-30 run lead.
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We ought to count our blessings for Broad and Anderson. Well never have their like again. Save our arses time after time.
England need to take advantage here but I’m not sure we will. Think we’ll see two big partnerships for SA
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Not a bad day in the field for England after all.
South Africa 215-8 wickets (84.4overs)
South Africa trail England by 54 runs with 2 wickets remaining
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Interesting to see what Anderson and Archer can do together later in this tour, especially if Bess can continue to bowl well. Might save us the series.
Need a big innings from a couple of players tomorrow. Looking at you Joe!
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South Africa trail England by 46 runs
You can never really judge a wicket until both teams have batted on it and we have done better than some expected us to do
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Happy to wake up to see us in bat. It was a fascinating day of cricket today and today should be great too. Hoping we don't see an England player bowling again today and we bat sensibly.
I'm off work with a stomach bug that is decimating the care company i work in and you can't beat a day of test cricket when off ill!
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South Africa trail England by 46 runs
You can never really judge a wicket until both teams have batted on it and we have done better than some expected us to do
You can. We just happen to have arguably the best bowler in the world and best seamer in history.
Our score was way below par. South Africa batted even worse than us. The 3 lads batting this morning have now all got starts, there are zero demons in this wicket.
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England building what should be a commanding lead
England lead South Africa by 264 runs with 7 wickets remaining
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Glad to see Sibley heading towards a potential century, we are crying out for some long form top order batsmen. Root gets a good 61 to add to his 35 from the first innings, but I still feel he could do with some time away from the captaincy so that he can start turning these fairly good scores into genuine Smith/Kohli/Williamson consistency.
All set up now to level the series. If we can put another 150 by team tomorrow, 4 sessions vs South Africa should see it home.
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Really hope Sibley gets a ton tomorrow !
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Really hope Sibley gets a ton tomorrow !
Your Hope has turned into a reality, Sibley not out 125.
He has batted superbly, albeit his style is a little unconventional and probably won't be found in any coaching manual.
Lunch - England lead South Africa by 421 runs with 3 wickets remaining
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Four Day Test Match Format
Australia Captain Tim Paine says No, Indian Captain Virat Kohli says no, Sachin Tendulkar also says no, England Captain Joe Root backs the proposal as do the ECB.
Personally, being a traditionalist, I would like to retain the 5 day format, dropping a day off isn't going to attract bigger crowds, there is already enough limited overs cricket to satisfy those who like quickfire, big bash exciting cricket with a result on the day. Test Match cricket can be said to be for the connoisseur, an audience that should not be ignored in the pursuit the mighty £ imo.
Strange that from 1993 onwards, the County Championship format was extended from 3 days to 4 days. I wonder if the next step might be to go back to the pre 1993 format, or would the Counties rail (no not the coke slang meaning) against that?
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Close of play on day 4, 126 - for 2 wickets (56.0overs)
South Africa need 312 runs to win
Two feasible results I wonder, England Win or Draw?
What are the odds for a South Africa win?
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Close of play on day 4, 126 - for 2 wickets (56.0overs)
South Africa need 312 runs to win
Two feasible results I wonder, England Win or Draw?
What are the odds for a South Africa win?
The test is balanced - South Africa have a squeak if they go for it, which I think England would want. However, they are 1 up, why take the risk, a draw will obviously suite them fine.
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The test is balanced - South Africa have a squeak if they go for it, which I think England would want. However, they are 1 up, why take the risk, a draw will obviously suite them fine.
The highest successful run chase on that ground in test match history was 343. As well as beating the Test Match record of 438 run chase to win.
You may well be right and SA close up shop, I think that is just as dangerous as going for it. Let’s hope so either way
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What player James Anderson is. Read the other day he averages 20 with the ball since he turned 35, 22 average over the last 6 years. These are incredible numbers.
He gets the early breakthrough today, and I wouldn't bet against a 10wm.
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This game is very finely poised!
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well done england, envy any baggie over there partying right now
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England win by 189 runs
A great team performance and a belief in themselves. Well done England!!
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Well done England and a special mention to Dom Sibley who has taken a bit of stick on here well played sir!
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Well done England and a special mention to Dom Sibley who has taken a bit of stick on here well played sir!
I found it telling he said in an interview that he wasn't struggling shuffling across his stumps all summer, snicking off or getting caught lbw in front, and worked on a few things between NZ and SA.
It was an excellent test innings and hopefully he can build on it.
I'd still expect him to struggle badly outside off stump against the top players, very much tempering my expectations.
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A brilliant win and proves that we need five day test cricket. Ben Stokes always in the game, great batting, bowling and catching throughout. Some encouraging signs that our top three looks more solid.
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Test cricket at its finest - well played to both sides
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Fair enough. I got stuck into England for the first day buy the bowlers really swung it for us over the 5 days. Good patience and even better fielding from the lads today. What a win for the thousands of England fans in attendance.
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Jimmy Anderson’s injury is a worry; we’ll miss him in the next two tests. The real worry, though, is that at his age, full recovery to test standard will either take too long or will just not be possible. We may have seen the last of the great Jimmy Anderson as a test match bowler. What a career, though, a truly great of the game.
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Broken rib. Would be much more concerned were it muscular. Sadly without him that's probably the end of our hopes for the series.
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England are 335-4 at lunch with Stokes 108 not out and Pope on 75.
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Incredible hitting here by Pope and Wood (and Curran prior) if you're not watching it you have missed out.
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Incredible hitting here by Pope and Wood (and Curran prior) if you're not watching it you have missed out.
Half hour or so of fantastic cricket.
Big fan of Root's smirk whilst cancelling his declaration and requesting they bat longer :D
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Aye, opening with Curran over Wood was a massive abberation mind you.
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SA currently 55/1 Malan c&b Bess.
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SA currently 55/1 Malan c&b Bess.
Hamza out for 10. SA 60/2
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Hamza out for 10. SA 60/2
Close of play SA 60/2 well done England!
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What an amazing and mature innings from 22 year old Ollie Pope!
His maiden century for England was achieved in some style, hopefully, the first of many.
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A very productive day in the field for England and, particularly for, Joe Root (Overs 19.0, Maidens 11, Runs, 31, Wickets 4, Econ 1.63)
South Africa forced to follow on, who lost 10 wickets for 103 runs across their first and second innings so far
Close - South Africa trail England by 188 runs with 4 wickets remaining
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Does Joe Root have enough wickets/a good enough bowling average now to be called a genuine all rounder?
A weak one of course but his test bowling average is now below his batting average.
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SA all out for 237. England win by an innings and 53 runs.
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To be fair to SA, Maharaj and Paterson's last wicket stand of, I think, 99 put up stubborn performances to delay England.
But a comprehensive win and some credible performance from the England boys
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To be fair to SA, Maharaj and Paterson's last week stand of, I think, 99 put up stubborn performances to delay England.
But a comprehensive win and some credible performance from the England boys
Would have been done sooner but Root wanted his fifer
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South Africa clearly have major batting deficiencies to be turned over by a newcomer spinner and a part time spinner on their own patch. Can you imagine how we would feel if the roles were reversed?
Nonetheless we posted a proper total for the first time in a long time and that gave us the platform to expose their weaknesses so well done England on that front, keep posting totals!
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Woakes in for Bess - Archer out injured.
Good start from the openers - 50 for Crawley.
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I was watching this Morning when the cameras panned to an Albion fan sitting in the crowd! They moved the cameras then went back to him sitting in his Albion shirt fair play.
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South Africa
First innings 183 all out
England
First innings 400 all out
Second innings 248 all out
Close - England lead South Africa by 465 runs
England odds on to win the match and, with it, the series. A solid all round team performance so far
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ENGLAND WIN SERIES 3-1
South Africa
First innings 183 all out
Second innings 274 all out
England
First innings 400 all out
Second innings 248 all out
England win by 191
Good job lads!!
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after the lacklustre performance in New Zealand and the first test in south Africa this is some come back. well done england
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Broken rib. Would be much more concerned were it muscular. Sadly without him that's probably the end of our hopes for the series.
You were saying...…..
Excellent series win and some really promising players coming through to give us hope for the future. I know South Africa are going through a poor time but it is never easy winning a series abroad so well done to the team.
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You were saying...…..
Excellent series win and some really promising players coming through to give us hope for the future. I know South Africa are going through a poor time but it is never easy winning a series abroad so well done to the team.
Yes, a few wrote them off on here and have been keeping a low profile of late.
And your right, some very promising performance from a few of the young "guns"
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You were saying...…..
Excellent series win and some really promising players coming through to give us hope for the future. I know South Africa are going through a poor time but it is never easy winning a series abroad so well done to the team.
Very good series win in the end, South Africa are in disarray though, couldn't really envisage a team than won the first test so easily being undone by the likes of Bess and Root. Our batting just managed to hold things together despite it's obvious shortcomings in the top 4...
Hopefully gives them confidence for a vastly different prospect in Sri Lanka.
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Foakes and Jennings recalled for the Sri Lanka tour. Archer and Anderson miss out with injury
Hopefully Foakes replaces Butler.
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**** poor final over management in the first T20.
Only needed singles after the 2 off the first. Pathetic batting.
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**** poor final over management in the first T20.
Only needed singles after the 2 off the first. Pathetic batting.
Staggering mate. Threw it away.
Morgan did all the hard work then threw it away at the end.
I’d have also sent Mark Wood ahead of Rashid..
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I do think that there should be a separate thread for T20 stuff, rather than it being in the England cricket thread. Only my opinion, of course, but I just cannot accept that T20 is cricket; it is a baseball style slog fest. Horrible. I love cricket, proper cricket, test matches and county cricket. One day cricket was good until players were put into pyjamas. Too many people have too short attention spans, why does a game have to be over after a combined 40 overs? Test cricket, to my mind is the ultimate team game.
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England chase down 223 with five balls to spare to win the series..
Incredible batting
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Well done to the England team, enjoyed that and winning the series
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Stupendous from Morgan. A glorious Sunday thus far :D
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Brilliant chase. Buttler, Bairstow and particularly Morgan incredible batting.
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Glad to see Buttler do well. He's come in for a lot of stick recently but he is still our most destructive white ball cricketer, in my humble opinion.
What a series.
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https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/1703010/watch-live-england-men-intra-squad-match (https://www.ecb.co.uk/england/men/news/1703010/watch-live-england-men-intra-squad-match)
ECB livestream of Team Buttler vs Team Stokes if anyone interested.
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Test Cricket returns tomorrow.
Typical that I get called into the office !!
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Test Cricket returns tomorrow.
Typical that I get called into the office !!
I'll post regular updates on the thread 😂
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Test Cricket returns tomorrow.
Typical that I get called into the office !!
I really can’t wait, it’ll be great to have it back. I just hope the weather is kind.
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Toss delayed by rain.
Strong rumours of Stuart Broad being dropped. Poor decision if true.
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This is an incredibly powerful monologue from Mikey Holding.
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Toss delayed by rain.
Strong rumours of Stuart Broad being dropped. Poor decision if true.
First test of the summer, grey and cloudy and we're thinking of dropping Stuart Broad.
All eyes on Brisbane 2021 it seems.
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Big problem with Cricket is the constant hanging around. Why can't we have the toss, it's only a light drizzle they would carry on playing on this weather .
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Big problem with Cricket is the constant hanging around. Why can't we have the toss, it's only a light drizzle they would carry on playing on this weather .
I can't remember the exact rule around delaying the toss.
But it's done to ensure the team who wins gets the advantage. If they'd of had the toss at 10:30 when it was chucking it down and you opt to bowl first, then when play starts after lunch its 5 degrees warmer and bright sunshine it looks a stupid decision.
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I can't remember the exact rule around delaying the toss.
But it's done to ensure the team who wins gets the advantage. If they'd of had the toss at 10:30 when it was chucking it down and you opt to bowl first, then when play starts after lunch its 5 degrees warmer and bright sunshine it looks a stupid decision.
Yes you have to toss in playing conditions.
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Yes you have to toss in playing conditions.
I got done for that once 8)
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Early lunch taken, but covers still on.
Hopefully it stops drizzling soon.
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2pm start.
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England have won the toss and chosen to bat.
Broad dropped.
Very poor shout (the selection not the toss)
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England have won the toss and chosen to bat.
Broad dropped.
Very poor shout (the selection not the toss)
You know he will get his chance over Anderson in the coming games, there are a lot of tests in quick succession this summer. Personally I would have been tempted to err on the side of caution with Anderson's fitness and played Broad this time round. Still, exciting to see Archer and Wood in the same team as one another.
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You know he will get his chance over Anderson in the coming games, there are a lot of tests in quick succession this summer. Personally I would have been tempted to err on the side of caution with Anderson's fitness and played Broad this time round. Still, exciting to see Archer and Wood in the same team as one another.
Problem is Wood is rubbish. Quick but rubbish.
Anderson will play every test if fit imo.
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Poor misjudgement from Sibley by the way. Not an ideal start on a pretty flat deck.
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Problem is Wood is rubbish. Quick but rubbish.
Anderson will play every test if fit imo.
Very harsh saying Wood's rubbish - his fitness especially with back to back tests has been his biggest issue.
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I see the England batting lineup is standing up to the slightest but of scrutiny well... :-X
Stokes and Buttler have to some how get us to 220.
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I see the England batting lineup is standing up to the slightest but of scrutiny well... :-X
Stokes and Buttler have to some how get us to 220.
The way we're batting it will be a miracle if we get to 2 o'clock
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I haven't been following it really but why did we choose to bat in these conditions?
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I haven't been following it really but why did we choose to bat in these conditions?
I'm very much in the camp that you can't predict day 2 afternoon conditions at the toss.
No problem with batting first. They need to do a lot better.
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Important partnerships from Stokes and Buttler, then Bess and Jimmy. 204 is decent considering what we had at 5 down.
We should get a LOT out of these conditions this eve.
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Jofra Archer is one of the worst England number 9 batsmen I have ever seen. Jimmy is better frankly.
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Big day today for Archer and particularly Wood. Weather is much better, we need a big performance with the ball.
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Personally, I’m pleased to see a West Indes side being more competitive than they have in awhile, it’s only good for cricket
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I was hoping that Archer would deliver today, sadly, he posed no threat whatsoever, very disappointing. Poor umpiring, too. Also, I just had to turn the sound off the Sky coverage because of the awful commentators. Nasser Hussain, terrible, why does he have to describe what you’ve just seen? He must like the sound of his own voice. The woman in the commentary box, whoever she was, wasn’t any better; if they have nothing worthwhile to say, they should just keep their mouths shut. I just cannot listen to them.
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West Indies first (true) away test win since 2017.....also vs England.
Bit of a gift really, looking through their previous away wins, they arw pretty few and far between (bangladesh, pakistan, 1 vs South Africa in 2007.
Can always rely in English cricket to cheer you uo after watching Wolves, Villa and Leeds win.....
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West Indies first (true) away test win since 2017.....also vs England.
Bit of a gift really, looking through their previous away wins, they arw pretty few and far between (bangladesh, pakistan, 1 vs South Africa in 2007.
Can always rely in English cricket to cheer you uo after watching Wolves, Villa and Leeds win.....
Bad decision to bat first in the worst of the condition’s - windies were always on the front foot after our abysmal start.
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Had enough chances to win today. Still expecting to win the series.
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Laboured progress in today's sessions, but still in there and a 50 -50 match so far.
Disappointed with Jofra, I think he could have had a big impact at Emirates Old Trafford in this test
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Heading into the afternoon of day 4, with only a few sessions left, it's starting to look like a drawn game.
Everyone raved about Sibley but my old man was fuming and I can see why.
Really at risk of going into the third test needing to save the series. Would be a huge embarrassment to be the victims of the Windies first away series win vs a genuine test power in years.
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You can't help the weather, I'd argue we'd be comfortably 2 nil up come tomorrow afternoon if we'd had 10 days of play.
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Stuart Broad doing Stuart Broad things.
Be nice if woeful Woakes felt like contributing anything...
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Knew that would work...
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We need to move away from Broad eventually, but hard to when he is once again the top wicket taker this innings.
Where are the future test bowlers exactly? The ECB reaping what they sow by failing to invest in Cricket at working class schools.
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Stuart Broad doing Stuart Broad things.
Be nice if woeful Woakes felt like contributing anything...
Well in woeful. 3fer mops up the tail.
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This is going to be fascinating viewing. I reckon we'd want at least 75 overs at them tomorrow, so no time to lose.
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Going well with new ball 3 down before lunch .
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They're steadying now but if we can take a couple of wickets soon then the evening session should be cracking viewing.
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What a time to pick up Blackwood.
5 required in the evening session.
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Very unlucky dismissal straight after tea. Oh well. 4 to get.
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Only 2 players done the 1000 runs 100 wickets double in less tests than Woakes and I wasn’t around to the 1st ;D ;D
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Wonderful off break. 2 needed.
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One more to go...
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What a catch. Incredible.
Great win. With Anderson and Archer back in we should comfortably complete a series victory, weather permitting.
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Excellent. Series levelled up.
Brilliant catch from Ollie Pope
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What an outstanding catch by Pope, what eyes, what feet, what agility, incredible cricket from the young man.
A well deserved win for our boys
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Great viewing today!
First day of my holiday and I was meant to be doing DIY....Ahh, it can wait.
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Watched the entire day, run at lunch. Went out for a bit of fresh air on the drinks break at 15 overs left and missed the catch!
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Archer and Anderson return. Crawley and Curran make way.
Sibley out in the first over without scoring
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Archer and Anderson return. Crawley and Curran make way.
Sibley out in the first over without scoring
Considering his strength is off his legs he falls over a lot of straight ones...
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Considering his strength is off his legs he falls over a lot of straight ones...
Don't know how many innings this relates to, but just read that Chris Woakes averages 137 batting at number 7 !!! He's also the 3rd fastest player ever to reach 1000 runs and 100 wickets for England. A seriously under rated player
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Don't know how many innings this relates to, but just read that Chris Woakes averages 137 batting at number 7 !!! He's also the 3rd fastest player ever to reach 1000 runs and 100 wickets for England. A seriously under rated player
It's a great pity he can't bowl abroad. Regards his batting... we're going to need it.
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It's a great pity he can't bowl abroad. Regards his batting... we're going to need it.
Yeah, it's an odd one that his away stats for bowling are so different to his home ones. Maybe he's just a poor traveller. For home tests he should be an automatic selection in my eyes. Having said that, not expecting him to get 137 when he comes in. Will probably get a golden duck now I've praised him. ;D
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What really surprised me about the England team today was the omission of Mark Wood. Archer blatantly ignores the COVID team isolation rules and is back in the team, whereas Mark Wood, adheres to the rules agreed to by both sets of players and is ignored! Not good.
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What really surprised me about the England team today was the omission of Mark Wood. Archer blatantly ignores the COVID team isolation rules and is back in the team, whereas Mark Wood, adheres to the rules agreed to by both sets of players and is ignored! Not good.
It's because he's a far better bowler.
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He may well be a better bowler than Wood but considering all the safeguards and restrictions that have been applied to both teams and officials, limiting the series to two grounds, to then have one player break all those rules and be straight back into the team is, in my opinion, very unfair on those that have abided by the rules. He should have been dropped from the squad for the duration of the COVID restrictions.
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Don't know how many innings this relates to, but just read that Chris Woakes averages 137 batting at number 7 !!! He's also the 3rd fastest player ever to reach 1000 runs and 100 wickets for England. A seriously under rated player
Averages 23 bowling in England.
Incredible stats
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Averages 23 bowling in England.
Incredible stats
So much for the batting average 😂
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So much for the batting average 😂
I did have a wry smile when I saw his wicket this morning ;D
This has been some fantastic batting from Broad after a horrorshow first hour
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So much for the batting average 😂
Haha, I (almost) predicted it. Loving the Broad knock though.
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Gone for 62. Great knock
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Gone for 62. Great knock
Shame. Broad should definitely be ahead of the woeful (with the bat) Archer.
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Shame. Broad should definitely be ahead of the woeful (with the bat) Archer.
Archer has a lower test average than Anderson with the bat. Whether he will come good eventually I don't know.
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Broad and Anderson really proving a point here with 4 for 34 off 21 overs out of 108 for 5.
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Woakes bowling well, too. Sadly, Archer has been very poor, expensive and wayward bowling; he is supposed to be the real quickie in the team but has only touched 90mph on a couple of occasions. Mark Wood would, I expect, be disappointed not to be out there.
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England declare their second innings at 226 for 2
Leaving West Indies needing 399 runs to win
COYE!!!!
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God, Broad will be missed when he finally packs it in.
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WI 0-1
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God, Broad will be missed when he finally packs it in.
And so will Anderson, very much so, the both of them!
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Broad strikes!
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Broad strikes!
That man again!
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That man again!
Spot on!
WI 6-2
Could be over tonight :D Only joking, unless it is ;D
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Go on Broady 10/2.
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Close of play
West Indies need 389 runs to win, with 8 wickets remaining
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Broad excellent again. Whatever play we get tomorrow paired with hopefully a full day’s play on Tuesday.
Should be enough.
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West Indies very poor today.
Woakes bowling extremely accurately.
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Broad finishes as a very clear top wicket taker, despite being dropped for the first test.
That experiment failed.
Some promising signs as the test went on from Burns, Sibelius and Pope, but the lack of a spinner will stop us being elite.
Onto the Ireland series. Looking forward to seeing how we cope without a number of top players. Would be great if Tom Blanton shows what he can do.
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Delighted that Stuart Broad has achieved the remarkable milestone of 500 Test Wickets, well done Broadie!
And well done England!
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Broad finishes as a very clear top wicket taker, despite being dropped for the first test.
That experiment failed.
Some promising signs as the test went on from Burns, Sibelius and Pope, but the lack of a spinner will stop us being elite.
Onto the Ireland series. Looking forward to seeing how we cope without a number of top players. Would be great if Tom Blanton shows what he can do.
Will be interesting to see how Burns and Sibley cope in the sub continent
Burns struggled against Roston Chase so will be interesting to see how he copes on true turning pitches. Sibley, similar to Burns will need to find alternative ways of rotating the strike to ensure they’re not sitting ducks at the crease
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Sibley in particular has to find a way to rotate the strike, it would seem very easy to stop him scoring .
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Here we go. Always finding fault with our footballers, now a switch to our cricketers. Archer made a mistake but surely nothing as bad as some others. Stokes for instance, Rightly we forgave him,and we must do the same for Archer. Some idiot was suggesting his ability was nothing. Please don't make a fool of yourself.
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Here we go. Always finding fault with our footballers, now a switch to our cricketers. Archer made a mistake but surely nothing as bad as some others. Stokes for instance, Rightly we forgave him,and we must do the same for Archer. Some idiot was suggesting his ability was nothing. Please don't make a fool of yourself.
Who? When? Where? I haven't seen such a comment.
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Me neither.
The regular contributors within this thread have made fair, well balanced assessments.
The only critical post I’ve seen was regarding whether he should have played in this test match - which again, is a fair and honest discussion given the options available.
1 for 96 against an average batting line up does pose questions. Questions which members on this forum have not asked..
Not sure anyone has made a fool of themselves..
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Will be interesting to see how Burns and Sibley cope in the sub continent
Burns struggled against Roston Chase so will be interesting to see how he copes on true turning pitches. Sibley, similar to Burns will need to find alternative ways of rotating the strike to ensure they’re not sitting ducks at the crease
Burns played okay in Sri Lanka. Looked comfortable sweeping albeit he took too many risks at points. Not too sure what Chase has such a hoodoo over him.
I do worry about Sibley against spin, though. He seems incapable of playing through the off-side and this will severely restrict his scoring opportunities.
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Burns played okay in Sri Lanka. Looked comfortable sweeping albeit he took too many risks at points. Not too sure what Chase has such a hoodoo over him.
I do worry about Sibley against spin, though. He seems incapable of playing through the off-side and this will severely restrict his scoring opportunities.
He averaged 25 in Sri Lanka..
His test average spin is the same too.
We’re heading to India with question marks against the top three when facing spin. Huge chunk of our batting line-up but no doubt apart of the ‘learning curve’ were on.
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He averaged 25 in Sri Lanka..
His test average spin is the same too.
We’re heading to India with question marks against the top three when facing spin. Huge chunk of our batting line-up but no doubt apart of the ‘learning curve’ were on.
Yeah, but at least he has a bit of experience batting on a spinning track. I think there is good potential with our test test, but they do need to gain some experience at some point.
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Poor ODI performance in the field by England's second string culminating in a 7 wicket defeat to Ireland.
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Anyhow, proper cricket returns tomorrow..
Looking forward to seeing this Pakistan bowling unit
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Poor ODI performance in the field by England's second string culminating in a 7 wicket defeat to Ireland.
Ah well Ireland are looking towards developing some players too; rather than keeping Porterfield, Wilson and Rankin going on. Sure the best England player was Irish himself :D. Although in fairness; probably the best most consistent Irish player over the three-match series was a South African.
In fairness; a good workout for both sides and Ireland will be happy to have taken a game. Bowlers kept plugging away. Do often have problems breaking key partnerships. Experienced top batsmen finally show up and England were far too patchy aside from the magnificent batting of Morgan and Banton.
Don't know if Vince will be happy that his bowling has been better than his batting and fielding.
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Fancy a Pakistan win over here. We looked poor vs the Windies at times and Pakistan are a better side. Interested to see these new youngsters they have. They are likely older than reported, as usually seems to be the case, but they won’t be much older than reported and there are some really intriguing players in the set up. How good will Naseem Shah be?
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Can see the England Pakistan series being 2-1 either way. Should be exciting to see a lot of the Pakistan youngsters as Baggies stated.
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Fancy a Pakistan win over here. We looked poor vs the Windies at times and Pakistan are a better side. Interested to see these new youngsters they have. They are likely older than reported, as usually seems to be the case, but they won’t be much older than reported and there are some really intriguing players in the set up. How good will Naseem Shah be?
Very good.
I really like the look of this Pakistan team, they have some exceptional younger talents coming through who are well supported by more experienced players who have improved themselves in recent years.
Shaheen Afidi, Naseem Shah supported by Yasir Shah and Riaz from the bowlers. No mention of Babar Azam yet either who has been one of the most consistent batsmen across all formats in the last 12-18 months. Azhar Ali and Shafiq as well. It will be a good test for a young-ish England side.
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Looking forward to some more test cricket today for sure! Best way to relax i find
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That's a good toss to lose.
Root has also got the team right. With Stokes injured they have to select Woakes ahead of Crawley.
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Anyone think this Fab 4 thing is a bit of an embarrassment with the English media still trying to include Root in it?
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Anyone think this Fab 4 thing is a bit of an embarrassment with the English media still trying to include Root in it?
Root is nowhere near it.
I'd argue it's a Top 2 these days with Smith and Kohli, Williamson isn't far behind and Labushcagne has to do it for more than one summer to be in the running.
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Anyone think this Fab 4 thing is a bit of an embarrassment with the English media still trying to include Root in it?
Just a tad. The other 3 averaging over 50 with Smith over 60.
Labuschagne will soon muscle into this made up top four the way he’s going..
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Anyone think this Fab 4 thing is a bit of an embarrassment with the English media still trying to include Root in it?
Definitely.
Look, Root is an excellent batsmen but I would suggest he has declined over the past couple of years (I'm not sure if this is backed up in the stats, however), whereas the other batsmen they mention are right at the top of their game.
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Joe Root Average by year - note, not cumulative average.
year 2012 93.00
year 2013 34.48
year 2014 97.12
year 2015 60.21
year 2016 49.23
year 2017 50.84
year 2018 41.21
year 2019 37.00
year 2020 46.25
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Anderson bowling particularly well in tandem with Broad, need a couple of breakthroughs.
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Joe Root Average by year - note, not cumulative average.
year 2012 93.00
year 2013 34.48
year 2014 97.12
year 2015 60.21
year 2016 49.23
year 2017 50.84
year 2018 41.21
year 2019 37.00
year 2020 46.25
The difference before and after getting the captaincy is stark.
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Superb delivery Jofra, just what we needed.
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Yep, excellent. That sound is better than a cover drive for four.
#BowlersUnion.
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Rain, ffs.
Just when we got the break through we needed.
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Rain, ffs.
Just when we got the break through we needed.
Only a passing shower. (I should really do some work).
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Only a passing shower. (I should really do some work).
Civil Service workers... blame the WiFi.
I’ll log a call with IT about 2pm..
Issue miraculously corrects itself at 3
Use some flexi and finish at half past.
Rinse and repeat :D
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Chris Woakes wicket in England klaxon..
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Chris Woakes wicket in England klaxon..
Excellent delivery again, and a great decision. Averages 16 against Pakistan in England ;D
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Excellent delivery again, and a great decision. Averages 16 against Pakistan in England ;D
Almost had Barbar Azam the next ball too :D
Great to see third umpires reviewing every delivery to ascertain whether it’s a no ball. Finally.
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Azam a key wicket here, get him cheaply and we're only two away from the bowlers.
I don't think Shedab Khan is a true all rounder.
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Barbara Azam is motoring a long here !
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Lost our way after lunch.
Shame about the drop. Rain possibly come at a good time for us.
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Barbara Azam is motoring a long here !
Barbara ;D
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:D :D
This bloody auto correct
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All 4 England seamers have bowled superbly this morning.
Pakistan now in real trouble.
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Don't know what we've had for lunch today and yesterday...
Really letting them off the hook.
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Don't know what we've had for lunch today and yesterday...
Really letting them off the hook.
Masood playing an absolute blinder, really showing the virtue of staying in. The signs are promising with Burns and Sibley, hopefully they follow suit.
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Jos Buttler ;D :D
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Abysmal start.
Would take a draw now.
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This is some high quality bowling from Pakistan..
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Abysmal start.
Would take a draw now.
I’d take a few days rain..
Right in the dog dirt if we don’t get some big runs from either Stokes or Root.
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That was beautiful from Abbas.
We might end up following on at this rate..
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It appears to me that the differences between the two teams in the first innings is the taking of chances
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Ollie Pope is excellent. Really enjoyable watching him bat.
92-4 at the close of play. Trail by 234
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Ollie Pope is excellent. Really enjoyable watching him bat.
92-4 at the close of play. Trail by 234
Pope needs 150+ for us to have any hope in this game.
Having watched some of the Aus-Pakistan games over the winter, the home advantage in England must be less than anywhere else in the world. Pretty much the same Pakistan team were blown away by Australia.
It seems as though we struggle in our own conditions as much as anyone else these days.
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Pope needs 150+ for us to have any hope in this game.
Having watched some of the Aus-Pakistan games over the winter, the home advantage in England must be less than anywhere else in the world. Pretty much the same Pakistan team were blown away by Australia.
It seems as though we struggle in our own conditions as much as anyone else these days.
An interesting discussion point.
I think there are definitely merits to your viewpoint when it comes to batting; top order collapses have become the norm over the past few years and our batsmen are collectively showing an inability to construct a big innings.
As for the bowling, I think our bowlers are skilled in English conditions, although the rest of the world has seemingly caught up; culminating now in the Pakistani bowlers showing greater skill and nous in this test match. Takes Abbas for example; he has spent a couple of summers playing county cricket and now he is showing exceptional skill in English conditions.
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A player like Abbas trundling down 78mph deliveries averaging 20 in tests, shows what a farce the England hierarchy determination to make something out of Mark Wood is. Clueless bowler but can launch it down at 95mph. Cit your losses and concentrate on skill.
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A player like Abbas trundling down 78mph deliveries averaging 20 in tests, shows what a farce the England hierarchy determination to make something out of Mark Wood is. Clueless bowler but can launch it down at 95mph. Cit your losses and concentrate on skill.
Desperation to win in Australia again.
Even the 10-11 series when we battered them we did so without a real pace bowler. That was a combination of Australia at the bottom of their fall from grace, big runs from the top four, a seam attack with excellent control and variety and an viable spin option. All principles that will win you cricket matches anywhere in the world.
All principles that if you get it right will win you test matches anywhere.
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This Pakistan team do look half decent but let’s not forget they played two tests in Australia in the winter and lost both of them by an innings.
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Best thing I've seen this test, that fielding by Abbas ;D
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Buttler falls. Now looking at a large 1st innings deficit.
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Will this be 10-12 series we've lost the first test?
I swear I saw that stat trotted out somewhere the other day.
Appalling if true, as bad as the Albion for going behind in games.
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We need a lot better wicket keeping this time round and far more luck with snicks as opposed to playing and missing.
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There it is again. Shelling easy chances.
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Really need to turn the screw now. Such an important period before the close.
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good fightback, but is 250-270 too much to chase?
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I think that anything over 250 will be a big ask, particularly if Yashir finds the spot on that wicket, albeit only four days of play on it when we bat
I hope I’m wrong and our batsmen all put in performances
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good fightback, but is 250-270 too much to chase?
With our batting line-up, no chance we are chasing anything over 250 down.
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If we can get the last few wickets for no more than 15-20 runs then we have a great chance of rescuing this. Somebody in the top order really needs a big score now, particularly Joe Root who seems to be posting fewer and fewer big scores now. Stokes will be fired up after his duck, especially if he can get one of the final two wickets tomorrow morning.
I still favour Pakistan over all though. I said pre series I think they will come away with a win over all as we are a poor test side now - any team that struggles at home to Ireland and the West Indies aren’t a top class test side.
Can I ask, why is Joffa Archer coming in ahead of Stuart Broad in the batting line up? Archer averages 8 in tests and 3 in ODI’s. Broad averages 19 in tests and was at nearly 30 not out again today, following up on his 62 the test before. First class scores count for little this far down the order - go with the bloke who has consistently been a decent lower order batsmen for England over the bloke who looks not far off a rabbit at the moment.
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Doesn't really matter who bats nine and who bats ten. It's obvious why Archer comes in first, he's got a far better technique, it just hasn't translated into scores yet.
Broad just gets inside the line of the ball and thrashes at it. Until this summer Broad has been the easiest wicket in test cricket since he was smashed in the face 3 or 4 years ago.
That said, if his tweaked method continues to yield results they'll push him back up the order.
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I don’t know why Archer is in the team at all. He is supposed to be the ultra quickie that will trouble batsmen with his 90mph+ deliveries. In the last match against West Indies there were only a couple of occasions where he topped the 90mph mark and so many of his deliveries were wasted and unthreatening. Mark Wood or Olly Stone should have been given their chance against Pakistan. Archer has been a huge disappointment.
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Olly Stone is injured again ! As for Archers speed , or anybody else’s , for it worthwhile going flat out we need hard fast bouncy wickets not the soggy mattress type we seem to have been playing on. Only now are the West Indies for example starting to produce some young quickies having similar problems
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Archer is there in preparation for Australia it seems, everything we do seems geared to beating the Aussies. Personally, i'd rather build confidence by picking our best team rather than an Australian specific team.
Archer might come good over time, the transition can sometimes be different, but i've always preferred clever bowlers in the 80's rather thsn 94 mph quicks.
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The last 2 wickets get 33 runs, poor from England. Second time in 2 weeks that a tail has wagged way more than we would like. Knew they would come out firing, should have bowled 20 20 style.
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58 runs required with 5 wickets in hand.
Buttler not out 54
Woakes not out 57
COYE!!!!
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Why is Shane Warne in the commentators box? He is so anti English it's untrue!!
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Why is Shane Warne in the commentators box? He is so anti English it's untrue!!
That's you opinion, which I acknowledge.
But I find "Warnie" to be a good commentator, fair, interesting, knowledgeable, calls it how he sees it (good, bad or indifferent) and a great sense of humour.
Oh, and he has played at the highest level of the game and wasn't a bad spin bowler to boot and does knows a bit about cricket
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England 256/6. Buttler just out for 75. England need 21 runs to win.
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That's you opinion, which I acknowledge.
But I find "Warnie" to be a good commentator, fair, interesting, knowledgeable, calls it how he sees it (good, bad or indifferent) and a great sense of humour.
Oh, and he has played at the highest level of the game and wasn't a bad spin bowler to boot and does knows a bit about cricket
The best spin bowler i have ever seen live. But what as that got to do with him being anti English? Oh and i met him a few times and he is an arrogant git aswell. Not like Gentleman Ricky Ponting.
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The best spin bowler i have ever seen live. But what as that got to do with him being anti English? Oh and i met him a few times and he is an arrogant git aswell. Not like Gentleman Ricky Ponting.
So your judgement doesn’t appear to be based on cricketing related issues, more personal.
Just because he criticises England or any other team, and I’ve heard him criticise Australia, doesn’t mean to say he is anti anybody, just calling it as he sees it.
Oh and I’ve just heard the Pakistan commentator, say how lucky England are, obviously anti England.
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Great result for England, I wasn’t sure they could chase that down, but proved me wrong.
COYE!!!!
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Great result for England, I wasn’t sure they could chase that down, but proved me wrong.
COYE!!!!
That was a bit nerve wracking!
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So your judgement doesn’t appear to be based on cricketing related issues, more personal.
Just because he criticises England or any other team, and I’ve heard him criticise Australia, doesn’t mean to say he is anti anybody, just calling it as he sees it.
Oh and I’ve just heard the Pakistan commentator, say how lucky England are, obviously anti England.
The Pakistani commentator can say what he likes his country are playing against us! Obviously you like Warne fair play i dont. And i still say he is anti English. Anyway well done England and especially Chris Woakes.
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The Pakistani commentator can say what he likes his country are playing against us! Obviously you like Warne fair play i dont. And i still say he is anti English. Anyway well done England and especially Chris Woakes.
It isn’t about liking or disliking an individual, although disliking someone does tend to close the mind to that individual.
Oh, and just heard him (Warne) heap praise on both England and Pakistan for an outstanding test match, and rightly so.
And I don’t understand why you think our opponents commentators can say what they like about us, when you criticise a neutral is criticised for doing just that.
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There are far worse commentators than Shane Warne, that Ebony woman for starters, awful, and Nasser Hussain is the master of describing what you have just seen, probably just likes the sound of his own voice, a boring Mr Know All.
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There are far worse commentators than Shane Warne, that Ebony woman for starters, awful, and Nasser Hussain is the master of describing what you have just seen, probably just likes the sound of his own voice, a boring Mr Know All.
Well if he is a master at describing what you have just seen i'd say he is very good at his job. Or is that not what commentator's do? And by the way he is a very nice bloke who probably knows more about cricket than you and me together.
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With our batting line-up, no chance we are chasing anything over 250 down.
Very, very happy to be proven wrong on this one!
What a superb run chase! Woakes and Buttler deserve huge plaudits for that partnership - it was an utterly superb counterattack.
I hope Burns enjoyed that too after his send-off by some of the particularly mouthy Pakistanis.
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Fantastic test match that was. I'm absolutely loving watching test match cricket this last 2 years - is it part of becoming over 35?!
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Apparently, Chris Woakes is now one of only 3 English bowlers in English conditions to have reached the number of wickets he has, with the average he has. He then comes out and outs in over 80 runs to win the match.
Had to be picked for British conditions every time.
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Oh the Woaksey Woaksey
You put your bouncer in, You take your bouncer out;
In out In out You bowl them all out
You do the Woaksey Woaksey
And you win the Test
That’s what it’s all about!
Oh the Woaksey, Woaksey
Oh the Woaksey, Woaksey
:D
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Great performance by Chris Woakes yesterday. He does have one serious problem, though, he supports the Vile!
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Well if he is a master at describing what you have just seen i'd say he is very good at his job. Or is that not what commentator's do? And by the way he is a very nice bloke who probably knows more about cricket than you and me together.
He may well be a nice bloke and he obviously knows plenty about cricket but that doesn’t automatically make him a good commentator. The listener does not have to be battered by an incessant barrage of words, most of which add nothing to what has already been seen. I would suggest also, that most test match viewers understand pretty much all of what is going on and do not want to hear such basic stuff that any schoolboy cricketer would know. Nasser Hussain and his lady companion should take some time to go and listen to some old commentaries by Richie Benaud, a man that knew when saying nothing could be the best commentary for the moment.
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He may well be a nice bloke and he obviously knows plenty about cricket but that doesn’t automatically make him a good commentator. The listener does not have to be battered by an incessant barrage of words, most of which add nothing to what has already been seen. I would suggest also, that most test match viewers understand pretty much all of what is going on and do not want to hear such basic stuff that any schoolboy cricketer would know. Nasser Hussain and his lady companion should take some time to go and listen to some old commentaries by Richie Benaud, a man that knew when saying nothing could be the best commentary for the moment.
If you don't like those two when they speak do what i do when Warne is on. Hit the mute button ;D
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Great performance by Chris Woakes yesterday. He does have one serious problem, though, he supports the Vile!
Are You certain? I thought he was a Walsall lad, and I think he played for Walsall FC as a youngster. But it is a mix in Saddle town some Baggies, but vile & dingle predominate I think. Still Woakes is a great cricketer though, can forgive his support for any team when he plays like he did for England.
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Fantastic from Buttler and Woakes - both of whom needed scores with the bat. I hope that poses as a confident boost for Buttler with the bat.
I was down watching some cricket at Woking and Horsell cricket club so missed the action!! Although good to see some cricket in the flesh!
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Are You certain? I thought he was a Walsall lad, and I think he played for Walsall FC as a youngster. But it is a mix in Saddle town some Baggies, but vile & dingle predominate I think. Still Woakes is a great cricketer though, can forgive his support for any team when he plays like he did for England.
He posted on Instagram about Villa staying up. Definitely a fan
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There are far worse commentators than Shane Warne, that Ebony woman for starters, awful, and Nasser Hussain is the master of describing what you have just seen, probably just likes the sound of his own voice, a boring Mr Know All.
Warne, Hussain and Rainford-Brent are excellent.
In fairness to Sky their cricket coverage is exceptional, far ahead of the football content.
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I loved Richie Benaud's commentary but his style probably wouldn't be accepted by the TV companies in this day and age.
I liked David Gower presenting the Sky test coverage but he was pensioned off.
I like Atherton's measured relatively low banter content style.
Like it or loath it the modern trend for most sports is for a duo of commentators to talk plenty with a liberal dose of banter.
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Warne, Hussain and Rainford-Brent are excellent.
In fairness to Sky their cricket coverage is exceptional, far ahead of the football content.
I agree - they are a class above anything else.
They all compliment each other very well which makes it work.
Their master class sessions are superb
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They are in a class of their own for delivering inane chatter. Yes, it seems to be the way these days, all commentators must be told to keep talking, it doesn’t matter about what, the audience doesn’t care.
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They are in a class of their own for delivering inane chatter. Yes, it seems to be the way these days, all commentators must be told to keep talking, it doesn’t matter about what, the audience doesn’t care.
The worst for inane chatter is Bumble and you've not mentioned him yet. Sky would be better if they kept him for the t20.
Leave test cricket for the adults.
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The worst for inane chatter is Bumble and you've not mentioned him yet. Sky would be better if they kept him for the t20.
Leave test cricket for the adults.
Bumbles ramblings can be hilarious though, worth suffering some rubbish for the gems
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There's something I love about the rambling conversations of test cricket commentary. I tend to listen on TMS and although I have my preferences, they generally have some.very knowledgeable people on, like Alistair Cook or Mark Ramprakash. Plus the stat people like Andy Zaltzman are just fascinating
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Chief sports writer Dave Kidd in the sun this morning.
Quote "Shane Warne somehow broke out of lockdown in his home city of Melbourne to commentate on England v Pakistan for sky. But it was worth rules being bent to hear the Australian cheering on Pakistan in vain at Old Trafford on Saturday. A brilliant England run chase was made all the more sweet for hearing how much it annoyed Warne. Fair play, any English cricket fan worth their salt will always root for whichever other team is playing Australia"
Told you he is biased!
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Muddled thinking for England 🏴 then this summer. At the previous test here against West Indies they inexplicably dropped Broad to accommodate both Wood and Archer. Today there is no sign of either with Sam Curran coming into the side. Top pace will be around 87/88mph from Anderson.
Crawley for Stokes the other change, the positive being it pushes Root back down to 4.
Pakistan 🇵🇰 win the toss and have elected to bat.
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Archer out for Curran, Crawley in for Stokes.
I like Curran, Crawley I'm not convinced by. Not sure someone with a FC average of a touch over 30 should be playing test cricket.
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Oh Jimmy, Jimmy!! 8)
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After some distinctly poor slip catching from the gruesome twosome. Pakistan recover to 43-1.
Should be 3 down.
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Who dropped the catches?
62-1 at what is lunch.
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Who dropped the catches?
62-1 at what is lunch.
Sibley and Burns
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Since 2018 we ha e the second lowest slip catching percentage of any test nation. Only Bangladesh are lower. Stokes dropped a couple in the last test
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I actually think we've bowled pretty well today - we've beat the bat numerous times - it's just that abysmal slip fielding has let us down. You do not deserve to win matches if you can't take regulation catches.
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Brilliant from Anderson and this time Burns clings on.
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The golden arm strikes. Sam Curran. ;D
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Can anyone explain to me what that Fawad Alam sideways stance/guard is all about?
I'm not really a cricket person BTW but will take the cricket over the snooker!
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All in all, not a bad day in the field for England :)
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Can anyone explain to me what that Fawad Alam sideways stance/guard is all about?
I'm not really a cricket person BTW but will take the cricket over the snooker!
Looks like he’s playing French cricket, horrible. Very pleased he was out for a duck, I suppose that I am a cricket purist!
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Can anyone explain to me what that Fawad Alam sideways stance/guard is all about?
I'm not really a cricket person BTW but will take the cricket over the snooker!
Reminds me a bit of Chanderpaul.
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averages 56 over the last 111 first class games he's played, so whatever works. He was a tad unlucky today.
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Not unlucky at all, bad technique and well beaten by a good bowler. The Pakistanis were very lucky today, two straightforward dropped catches, the ball rolling into the stumps without dislodging the bails! They could have been all out for less than 100.
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Not unlucky at all, bad technique and well beaten by a good bowler. The Pakistanis were very lucky today, two straightforward dropped catches, the ball rolling into the stumps without dislodging the bails! They could have been all out for less than 100.
It pitched inline with leg stump approximately 1mm away from umpires call. That's unlucky in my view...
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I disagree, it was ‘Out’, pitched in line, albeit only just but in line nonetheless, hitting the stumps, that is ‘Out’! His stance is LBW waiting to happen.
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Also, with technology enabling the decision review system, luck is removed from the equation, at least until a team runs out of appeals.
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Also, with technology enabling the decision review system, luck is removed from the equation, at least until a team runs out of appeals.
Not true is it? Depends whether the umpire gives it out or not as shown several times in last test to be clipping the bails, some batters had to get back in the hutch while others faced the next ball unperturbed.
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Yes it is true. Had the on field umpire given it as out, the batsman would, no doubt, have appealed it. Guess what would have happened then? He would have been given out! This particular decision would not have been deemed ‘umpires call’. Good luck or bad luck, neither was involved.
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I would like to see us skittle them for below 200, if possible. There were so many play and misses today - we just need to bowl a disciplined line and length and the wickets will tumble. We'll have to catch better, granted.
That said, if the conditions remain favourable towards the bowlers, I can see Abbas causing our top order all sorts of issues tomorrow. It could be a very low scoring test match actually.
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This incident prompted one commentator, Michael Holding, to come out with one of the most stupid of statements that I have heard from a commentator, especially one with such a distinguished career as he had. He said that he would have been very disappointed with the umpire had the on field decision been ‘out’! Why? DRS showed that the umpire’s decision was incorrect; Holding is therefore saying that had the umpire been correct, then he, Holding, would have been dismayed! Astonishing comment.
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Yes it is true. Had the on field umpire given it as out, the batsman would, no doubt, have appealed it. Guess what would have happened then? He would have been given out! This particular decision would not have been deemed ‘umpires call’. Good luck or bad luck, neither was involved.
Very good, you said luck had been removed from the equation unless a team ran out of reviews, now you've moved the goalposts back to 'just' the Alam decision...
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This incident prompted one commentator, Michael Holding, to come out with one of the most stupid of statements that I have heard from a commentator, especially one with such a distinguished career as he had. He said that he would have been very disappointed with the umpire had the on field decision been ‘out’! Why? DRS showed that the umpire’s decision was incorrect; Holding is therefore saying that had the umpire been correct, then he, Holding, would have been dismayed! Astonishing comment.
Because umpiring has to involve some certainty. Ie. The umpire has to be sure that delivery didn't pitch outside leg stump, and without the benefit of technology there is no way he could have been sure. There was a couple of mm in it.
Look I'm a bowler, but I'd never be given that on a Saturday, and I wouldn't be complaining too much about it.
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Because umpiring has to involve some certainty. Ie. The umpire has to be sure that delivery didn't pitch outside leg stump, and without the benefit of technology there is no way he could have been sure. There was a couple of mm in it.
Look I'm a bowler, but I'd never be given that on a Saturday, and I wouldn't be complaining too much about it.
Have only just seen the Alam dismissal.
Firstly, there's so many moving parts to his technique (which obviously works) that it must be a nightmare for umpires.
Secondly, 8/10 umpires probably give that not out. I would have.
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In that instance, with DRS reviews available, it didn’t matter what the umpire gave, it would be appealed either way and either way, it was ‘out’! Luck had nothing to do with it. In my younger days I too, was a bowler and I would have loved bowling at a batsman that moved across his crease like that Pakistani does; as I said, an LBW waiting to happen. If that guy gets given out LBW, with no reviews to give him a reprieve, then it isn’t bad luck, it’s good luck when he gets away with it! There are plenty of cricketers with dodgy technique but the the worse that technique is, the better the batsman has to be to overcome it. The Pakistanis can’t have much faith in that bloke, 11 years since his last test match!
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In that instance, with DRS reviews available, it didn’t matter what the umpire gave, it would be appealed either way and either way, it was ‘out’! Luck had nothing to do with it. In my younger days I too, was a bowler and I would have loved bowling at a batsman that moved across his crease like that Pakistani does; as I said, an LBW waiting to happen. If that guy gets given out LBW, with no reviews to give him a reprieve, then it isn’t bad luck, it’s good luck when he gets away with it! There are plenty of cricketers with dodgy technique but the the worse that technique is, the better the batsman has to be to overcome it. The Pakistanis can’t have much faith in that bloke, 11 years since his last test match!
I wouldn't want to go into the reasons for his non-selection for the best part of a decade given he's got one of the best FC records of anyone, anywhere. Bit unfair to call it dodgy technique, it's just different. I must admit the amount of moving parts stress me out, it would make even Steve Smith restless.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29657310/10-year-wait-ends-duck
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England's approach since the run out has been terrible. Why hasn't Anderson been given the new ball? Woakes wasting it unfortunately.
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As well as we bowled yesterday, that last 45 minutes was utterly pathetic!
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Not directly appropriate to this thread, but though, given the players outstanding career, it deserved acknowledgement.
“MS Dhoni: India legend retires after 16-year international careerâ€
Always enjoyed his, his performanceS with the gloves and bat and as a leader of his team.
Good luck in the future MS
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64/1 - good start from England today.
Hope the weather holds better than the last test.
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Failures for the openers again. Joe Root could really do with a big hundy.
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Failures for the openers again. Joe Root could really do with a big hundy.
Feel a bit for Root today, got a good one.
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Out for 29 and Pope follows in short order. No century this summer with only one knock to go. Smith, Kohli and Williamson must **** themselves every time he's mentioned in the same breath.
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First test century for Zak Crawley. Looking excellent.
Fingers crossed he can carry on and make it a big hundred.
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First test century for Zak Crawley. Looking excellent.
Fingers crossed he can carry on and make it a big hundred.
Great knock. Buttler looking good too.
20 overs to the new ball.
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Zac Crawley has all the shots of a classic batsman and the potential to be a regular England Test player and to achieve much.
Well done on your maiden test century
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Wonderful double century from Crawley, aided and abetted by Butler who also posts a competent century
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Jimmy Anderson! What can you say what can you say!!
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Jimmy Anderson! What can you say what can you say!!
Owzat!, Owzat! ;)
One of the greatest, if not THE greatest, swing bowler to have ever graced the field of play imho.
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Imagine how many wickets Jimmy would have if we could field?
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Owzat!, Owzat! ;)
One of the greatest, if not THE greatest, swing bowler to have ever graced the field of play imho.
Glenn McGrath wants a word.
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Glenn McGrath wants a word.
He can have as many words as he wants after he tells me how many wickets he took at Test Match level ;)
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Glenn McGrath wants a word.
McGraph was a seemer really. Not known for prodigious swing like Anderson.
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McGraph was a seemer really. Not known for prodigious swing like Anderson.
McGraph, straight lines, love it !
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McGraph was a seemer really. Not known for prodigious swing like Anderson.
I'll give you that one, although they're probably the closest to one another I can think of. There's not many others that come close to them when it comes to swing and seam.
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Imagine how many wickets Jimmy would have if we could field?
Butler's drop off Anderson this morning, to go with the 2 at close of play yesterday, is really putting Anderson's chances of getting 600 in doubt.
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One more for the magical 600 for Jimmy
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600 test wickets
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Don't think i will see that done again my lifetime !!! Legend is a deserved epithet for Jimmy !
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Well done Jimmy, our cricking nation is proud of you and your achievements
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The one millionth run, involving England, has just been scored.
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What a glowing endorsement from Shane Warne, for not only “the great†Jimmy Anderson, but the whole of the England Cricket team and the establishment.
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What a fantastic achievement - simply one of England's all time sporting greats. Anderson is grounded chap to boot; an excellent role-model. Well done, Jimmy.
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What a fantastic achievement - simply one of England's all time sporting greats. Anderson is grounded chap to boot; an excellent role-model. Well done, Jimmy.
You’re so right and he must be the BBC’ TV Sports Personality of the Year.
My vote is already waiting for him
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Not many options for sports personality of the year as is. So be fitting if Anderson gets it
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Legend. We will miss him when he goes
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Congratulations Jimmy :D
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Not many options for sports personality of the year as is. So be fitting if Anderson gets it
Not all voters are cricket fans and Lewis Hamilton would also be a serious contender if he wins the F1 title. So make sure you vote for Jimmy 😊👍
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Not all voters are cricket fans and Lewis Hamilton would also be a serious contender if he wins the F1 title. So make sure you vote for Jimmy 😊👍
Hamilton is not eligible. To be Sports Personality of the Year, you first have to have a personality
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Hamilton is not eligible. To be Sports Personality of the Year, you first have to have a personality
Ooh harsh, he is a great FI driver and will surpass Schumacher’s record of F1 Championships imo
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Hamilton is not eligible. To be Sports Personality of the Year, you first have to have a personality
Oh is Motor Racing a sport then?
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Ooh harsh, he is a great FI driver and will surpass Schumacher’s record of F1 Championships imo
I think that it’s impossible to say that he’s a great F1 driver as he has had no competition to speak of for years. Pretty well any other F1 driver in that Mercedes F1 would have won the races. He doesn’t come across as a particularly nice bloke, either. I used to be a follower of Grand Prix racing but completely lost interest some years back. These days it is neither Grands Prix nor ‘racing’. Hamilton is not in the same class as Moss, Clark, Stewart or Lauda, either as a driver or personality. He will win the BBC Sports Personality (so-called), though, and we all know why.
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Sorry folks, I should have put a cricket comment in that last post, naughty me! Yes, Jimmy should win BBC Sports Personality, but won’t.
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1st T20 starting shortly. Likely to be rain affected. Pakistan win the toss and elect to field.
Banton to open in place of injured Jason Roy.
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1st T20 starting shortly. Likely to be rain affected. Pakistan win the toss and elect to field.
Banton to open in place of injured Jason Roy.
Think you need to make the batsmen aware it’s a T20
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Unfortunately, Ollie Pope out for 4 months after his being diagnosed with a dislocated shoulder.
Hope you are back in the England set up soon Ollie
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The second Twenty20 against Pakistan will be shown on BBC One from 13:45 BST - the first England match on live BBC TV since 1999.
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Unfortunately, Ollie Pope out for 4 months after his being diagnosed with a dislocated shoulder.
Hope you are back in the England set up soon Ollie
Pity for Pope especially after missing a chunk of the 2019 season after dislocating the same shoulder. It seemed a pretty regulation sliding stop for this one so there's obviously an ongoing weakness there.
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That was a mighty impressive run chase today, if only Morgan could play test cricket in that manner,
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Walk in the park for the Aussies so far
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On the back foot from the 2nd over.
Mark Wood... lovely lad but not good enough in any form of the game.
Stick to County stuff Mark.
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On the back foot from the 2nd over.
Mark Wood... lovely lad but not good enough in any form of the game.
Stick to County stuff Mark.
Just bowled a good over. But 1. It's too late and 2. They're few and far between.
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Jofra has got us right back in this, assisted by Rashid and now Wood picking up the 5th. Not sure we've got enough bowling left though 🙈
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Jofra has got us right back in this, assisted by Rashid and now Wood picking up the 5th. Not sure we've got enough bowling left though 🙈
Keep the faith Lee, keep the faith :)
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Keep the faith Lee, keep the faith :)
Some win that mate. Needed 40 at a run a ball.
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Some win that mate. Needed 40 at a run a ball.
Never in any doubt :)
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I was so close to changing channels in a fit of pique. Wonderful stuff.
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What a collapse ;D they only needed 36 runs going into the 14th over :P
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An enjoyable start ;D
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Archer came in like a "Lion" and went out like a "Lamb". Not a criticism, but fact. He did bowl at pace, in access of 90 MPH
Bowler Overs Maidens Runs Wickets Econ
Archer 4.0 0 32 1 8.00
With talk recently on other threads about the quality of female commentators, I have to say, I've been very impressed listening to the two lady commentators on BBC, Ebony Rainford-Brent and Isa Guha, they know their cricket
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England win the match by 6 wickets and with it, the series
Butler, superb innings, not out 77 and MOTM
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Can always rely on Mark Wood. >:(
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I'd rather watch cricket than football at the moment when it comes to England. This should never happen!
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Needed that wicket.
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If I understood him correctly, "Stato" on the BBC website commentary team, said it is the first time in the 50 overs game that 5 boilers have bowled 10 overs each and all have gone for less than 6 runs per over.
Lets hope our batsmen can take advantage of that
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If I understood him correctly, "Stato" on the BBC website commentary team, said it is the first time in the 50 overs game that 5 boilers have bowled 10 overs each and all have gone for less than 6 runs per over.
Lets hope our batsmen can take advantage of that
Did Boilerman open the boiling ?
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Aussies rallied to 294
England 28/2 off 11, not an auspicious start ! :'(
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Amazed that England have got close here
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Amazed that England have got close here
They didn’t really. One of the nuances of cricket, in that it appears a close game, but at no stage in the 2nd innings did we have better than about a 20% chance if winning.
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Australia win by 19 runs. Game 1 of 3
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They didn’t really. One of the nuances of cricket, in that it appears a close game, but at no stage in the 2nd innings did we have better than about a 20% chance if winning.
True, there was a fleeting moment probably at 35-40 overs where it was looking like we could get closer. As they say now - too many dot balls. I'm having to look up all this new terminology after years of not watching anything other than test cricket.
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Superb Jofra Archer.
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A bit of a fight back in the cricket for us
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Comedy gold this ;D
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One wicket required, Ozzie’s need 52 from 5.1 overs
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England level the series, well played England
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That's an incredible win. Superb bowling.
No Wood... No surprise. ;D
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That's an incredible win. Superb bowling.
No Wood... No surprise. ;D
They did more than their fair share with the bat as well.
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Doesn’t always need a run fest for it to be an excellent game. Credit to both teams
The runs of Rashid and Tom Curran were vital in the end
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I gave up on this game about the same time as we conceded our first goal in the football, so it was brilliant to put it back on about 8 to see us tearing the Aussies apart. Batting second at OT is never easy.
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Jaysus.
0-2
Lost Root and Roy first two balls.
Rallied now to 13 for 2 :o
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Warner bowled by Root ;D
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Anyone know why Rashid hasn't bowled at all? Hurt himself batting maybe?
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Anyones game now
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Anyones game now
Just switched over, unbelievable partnership.
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Pretty poor decision making at the end by the usually impeccable Eoin Morgan.
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No idea why Rashid bowls that final over. Should have been a quick.
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That’s a shocking decision giving rashid the last over :-[
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Ian Bell Twitter Account
So, that’s it! Emptied my locker today! 22 years as a professional cricketer has come to an end! I am obviously sad to go but excited for the next chapter. Thanks for everything @WarwickshireCCC and @englandcricket ! It’s been unreal! #🐻🏴 #newbeginnings
As an Worcester and England fan and having witnessed your contributions to county and country, I wish you all the very best for the future
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Loved watching Bell at his best. One of the only English batsmen i've seen that can play that easy on the eye Pakistani style batting game where everything looks textbook perfect.
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Jofra Archer smashes 4 sixes in a row for the Rajasthan Royals.
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It’s only 20/20, joke of a format, to refer to it as cricket is an abomination in my view.
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It’s only 20/20, joke of a format, to refer to it as cricket is an abomination in my view.
pitches the size of tennis courts !
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Don't get me wrong, nothing beats test cricket for the slowly increasing true drama, but 20/20 has given cricket new life at a time it badly needed it, and bowlers like Jasprit Bumrah have proven that the best can still grind an attack to a halt.
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Test and ODI cricket are of course superior but I do enjoy the IPL. Extraordinary match between the Rajasthan Royals and the Kings XI Punjab.
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20/20 lacks the finesse and subtlety that makes cricket to wonderful game that it is. I know some may disagree but I just cannot even consider 20/20 to even be cricket, it is more akin to the frightful spectacle of Baseball, a game for fat burger munching Americans, with an attention span of about 30 seconds.
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Personally, I believe that 20/20 cricket is not necessarily for the purists, the aficionados or the connoisseur.
It is targeted at an audience that may not normally be interested in the longer forms of the game, but it does cater for all tastes.
The ECB had it’s business head on when they introduced the 20/20 format. It is exciting, entertaining, action packed, has a hint of drama and show business and you get a result in a few hours.
All that, as I alluded to earlier, is not everyone’s cup of tea, but like it or not, it is popular and successful
The revenue it generates helps with grass routes cricket and supports the 4 day game, which few attend these days
Additionally, players skills have been extended, improved and enhanced by 20/20, which makes Test Cricket more watchable to a wider viewing audience, attracting more revenue streams, raises the profile of the game, which helps minor league clubs, county cricket clubs, players and members alike.
I enjoy all versions of the game, for me, they all have there own strengths and attractions. And watching 20/20, I get the feeling that the players enjoy being able to throw off the inhibitions that can normally be imposed on their individual game.
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20/20 lacks the finesse and subtlety that makes cricket to wonderful game that it is. I know some may disagree but I just cannot even consider 20/20 to even be cricket, it is more akin to the frightful spectacle of Baseball, a game for fat burger munching Americans, with an attention span of about 30 seconds.
Nothing wring with 20/20. I am a purist and prefer test cricket but none of my family or mates could stand cricket until i got them watching 20/20 then a one dayer now they are all into test cricket aswell. So to insult people who like 20/20 by calling them names is out of order as my son Grandson and none of my mates are fat, burger munchers or have a 30 second attention span thank you very much.
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Nothing wring with 20/20. I am a purist and prefer test cricket but none of my family or mates could stand cricket until i got them watching 20/20 then a one dayer now they are all into test cricket aswell. So to insult people who like 20/20 by calling them names is out of order as my son Grandson and none of my mates are fat, burger munchers or have a 30 second attention span thank you very much.
Please read my post again. I did not insult you, your mates or your grandson. American baseball players, yes!
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Please read my post again. I did not insult you, your mates or your grandson. American baseball players, yes!
You didn't say Baseball players though ;D
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Happy 80th Birthday Sir Geoffrey Boycott
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A bit like comparing Greco /Roman wrestling to WWE
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Brilliant innings from David Malan 99 not out, supported by Butler in a 9 wicket win and a 167 partnership over South Africa to win the 20-20 series 3-0. Well done lads!
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Brilliant innings from David Malan 99 not out, supported by Butler in a 9 wicket win and a 167 partnership over South Africa to win the 20-20 series 3-0. Well done lads!
Deserved a ton - looked as though he miscounted at the end when he took his single
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Hes developing so well at the moment he is the complete T20 player.
Id expect us to experiment with him again in the other forms now.
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Deserved a ton - looked as though he miscounted at the end when he took his single
I know when he sauntered down the wicket i thought what's he doing there's 2 there for his 100! Never mind i bet he gets some stick in the dressing room!
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Baseball has one thing cricket doesn't have and that is "big hitters" The baseball travels much further than the cricket ball and the bats are narrower. I am a committed cricket lover but love baseball.
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Great innings by Malan, who was ably assisted, lets not forget, by another fine innings from Jos Butler
Fantastic series win by England, well done lads!
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Baseball has one thing cricket doesn't have and that is "big hitters" The baseball travels much further than the cricket ball and the bats are narrower. I am a committed cricket lover but love baseball.
Isn't Baseball rounders with a hard hat? ;D ;D
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Just watching the Cricket World Cup 2003 review on Sky Sports and realising again how my grasp on time sometimes catches me out.
I always associate Andy Caddick alongside Goughy and Cork, while I see Jimmy Anderson as being the player who came along to replace Harmeson around a decade later. Genuinely taken aback to see Caddick and Anderson bowling alongside each other - I thought Goughy was the only one that briefly played in both eras.
Collingwood and Stewart playing alongside esch other also feels strange, as does Brian Lara and Chris Gayle!
On a wider note, how sad is it when you look back and see so many ODI nations who have just faded away due to neglect by the cricket authorities (well, Indian, Australian and English short sighted suits). Canada, Namibia, Kenya and to a lesser extent Zimbabwe. Kenya finished their group in 2nd place, in front of S Africa, New Zealand, West Indies and Bangladesh, getting a big win vs Sri Lanka in front of a huge crowd in Nairobi. Canada beat Bangladesh that year too while Zimbabwe finished well ahead of the Netherlands (nowadays they are near enough level).
I know people can point to Afghanistan and Ireland now, but Afghanistan will never be able to host their own games while the Irish will never really embrace the sport.
Feels like we lost some interesting Cricketing nations who would have been good additions to the twenty20 world cup and where the sport could have been really big.
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Any opinions on the ICC teams of the decade, published yesterday? Despite an ODI world cup win and a twenty twenty world cup final loss, England only have 1 player across the 20-20/ODI sides (Ben Stokes in the 50 over team). Feels very Indian heavy, you can tell who runs the sport.
India have 4 players in the twenty 20 side of the decade, a decade in which they were runners up once. Two time champions West Indies have 2 players while 2 time finalists Sri Lanka have 1.
At least Rashid Khan won twenty/20 player od the decade, a huge achievement for Afghan cricket.
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Any opinions on the ICC teams of the decade, published yesterday? Despite an ODI world cup win and a twenty twenty world cup final loss, England only have 1 player across the 20-20/ODI sides (Ben Stokes in the 50 over team). Feels very Indian heavy, you can tell who runs the sport.
India have 4 players in the twenty 20 side of the decade, a decade in which they were runners up once. Two time champions West Indies have 2 players while 2 time finalists Sri Lanka have 1.
At least Rashid Khan won twenty/20 player od the decade, a huge achievement for Afghan cricket.
I was watching a bit of Australia v India the other day, and i'm not sure who the commentator was but it was an Indian guy and the way he was talking was as if he had single-handedly chosen the men's test team.
I'm sure that can't be right but does anyone know how they're chosen?
I can't disagree with the test team too much although it feels like Cook and Sangakkara were on the wain even at the start of the decade.
Agree that England have been under-represented in the ODI team. Surely could have a bowler in over Malinga and/or Tahir? Buttler would be a shoe in too for me.
I also would not have Sharma in a T20 team of the decade - would be great if we could win the T20 world cup.
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Great to have test cricket back.
Sri Lanka were woeful this morning. All out for 135.
Root and Bairstow currently rebuilding following early dismissals of Sibley and Crawley
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Great to have test cricket back.
Sri Lanka were woeful this morning. All out for 135.
Root and Bairstow currently rebuilding following early dismissals of Sibley and Crawley
Kept nodding off but somehow saw all the wickets. Root looking good, so I'm expecting him to get out before the close or first thing tomorrow ;D
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Devastated, I woke up early today and completely forgot about the cricket and was watching the utter dross that is Masterchef Australia.
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Worst ever 1st innings score for Sri Lanka in Galle surpassing the one Pakistan inflicted in them in 2000. Can nobodyplay test cricket properly anymore?
Root and Bairstow were looking set before stumps so hope they continue. Did chuckle that it ended "Root 66' 😁.
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Captain Joe Root looks back to his best with his first test century since 2019, well done Joe!
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Close of play on the second day of the first test, England 320-4 (Root 168 no, Butler 7 no), leads Sri Lanka (1st innings 135 all out) by 185 runs
A good days work by our batsmen has put us in a commanding position
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Even without Stokes, Burns and Archer we look a class above Sri Lanka. Lawrence looked very assured and confident today . Expect us to win by an innings.
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Lawrence was a plus today and another option for the India series if he can continue from this strong start. That said, this Sri Lankan bowling attack is non existent. When 2 average English spinners are out performing 3 Sri Lankan counter parts, you know the days of Murali are long gone. Where are their pace men? They took the new ball and following that Root just used the extra bounce to smack their spinners to the boundary. I'd imagine Sri Lanka are due for a tour here in the next 18 months, so they better find some quicks....quick.
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Im not sure I have ever seen Root bat so well.
It was interesting that Root compared Lawrences batting to Pietersen when I watched him he certainly has those traits of wanting to dominate the bowlers whilst still being able to not take over the top risks.
Kallis joining as batting coach will do them the world of good.
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A bit of a collapse in the lower order batting denied us from posting what could have been a matching winning first innings score.
England All Out 421
Sri Lanka, in play, currently 127-1. England lead by 159
Fantastic double century by Captain Joe Root
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No longer using "Albion" helmets. They are doomed.
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Of Sibley's first 20 England innings, he has registered scores of 12 or less in 8 of them.
We don't have many other opener options and he is young still, but struggling to see that he is going to be the one. Makes you wish Hameed's progress hadn't fell off the cliff it did as this feels like it's going to be an issue for a few more years.
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Of Sibley's first 20 England innings, he has registered scores of 12 or less in 8 of them.
We don't have many other opener options and he is young still, but struggling to see that he is going to be the one. Makes you wish Hameed's progress hadn't fell off the cliff it did as this feels like it's going to be an issue for a few more years.
Isn't this normal for an opener? The key is that he other 12 innings need to be 40+ knocks.
Not ready to write him off yet as he's clearly got talent. Needs to be working closely with Kallis while he has access to him.
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Isn't this normal for an opener? The key is that he other 12 innings need to be 40+ knocks.
Not ready to write him off yet as he's clearly got talent. Needs to be working closely with Kallis while he has access to him.
If I knew how to get access to the info quickly then I might find you are right, but while it could be my memory playing tricks on me, it always felt like Trescothick, Cook and Trott would more often than not "get in". Maybe that's too high a standard to expect but I do currently go into England test matches expecting the opening pair to put no more than a 20 run partnership together.
Regardless though, at this point, Sibley hasn't done enough with his other innings. Compared to his 8 cheap wickets, he only has 6 where he has scored 40+.
As you say, can't write him off yet as we don't have many other options and he is young, but he does need to start putting more consistent scores together. The England top order too often don't perform regardless of the make up and somebody needs to make something stick.
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A comfortable first test win, after a blip in the lower batting order in the first innings, well done lads!
Sri Lanka First innings 135 all out, Second innings 359 all out
England First innings 421 all out, Second innings 76 - for 3
England win by 7 wickets
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India beat the Aussies in Oz for the second time on the trot - their (3rd series on the trot home and away).
It's going to be a tough summer going there and then hosting them. Only the Kiwi's have beaten them in the last few years.
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Yep, India look like a seriously good side. Skill, character and strength in depth.
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Victory made even sweeter when you consider the antics of Smith and Tim Paine
The longer they keep Paine in the side the better :D
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2nd Test, Day 1, Tea Interval
Sri Lanka 155 - 3 (53.0overs)
After 5 overs Sri Lanka were 7 - 2
And after 27 overs 76 -3
So, a bit of a revival thanks to Mathews not out 73
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2nd Test, Day 1, Close of Play
Sri Lanka 229 - 4 (87.0 overs)
Mathews 107 not out
Sri Lanka fight back after early setbacks
James Anderson ends the day, Overs 19, Maidens 10, Runs 24, Wickets 3, Econ 1.26
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Was a bit of a hard slog. Turned it off and just put test match special on in the background. Not convinced Bess or Leach are going to offer enough to trouble India in India but Anderson ince again showed his brilliance while Wood feels better value than his solitary wicket suggests.
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Jimmy strikes with his 6th ball of the day, a very good rock which sees the overnight centurion Mathews depart having added a mere 3 runs. Wicket maiden.
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If this track is really as hard as our spinners are making it look, thr Sri Lanka's one dimensional bowling attack should be really worried.
As for Anderson, I read on twitter that this innings proves his detractors wrong. Detractors? Who at this point can argue Jimmy isn't one of the greatest of all time?
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Cannot understand the criticism of Anderson either his wickets tally and the fact a large amount have come in his later years as a cricketer shows just how good he is.
Think the idea of alternating Broad and Anderson in Tests makes perfect sense as we need to find the next generation.
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4 Sri Lankan’s make half centuries with another falling just short.
Hopefully this will be an opportunity for a couple of outer batsmen to post a respectable score themselves, providing of course the pitch doesn’t break up too much.
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It only took 14 deliveries for a Sri Lankan spinner to take a wicket... ::)
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Two wickets in 19 deliveries for the Sri Lankan spinner..
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Excellent from Root and Bairstow to put us back on level pegging. It feels at the moment that both are effectively opening the batting for us seeing as the openers face so little of the new ball before going out and yet both have been great so far this series. While I totally understand the reasons for resting him, Bairstow will be a huge miss for the early India tests and we better hope Lawrence, Butler, Burns and maybe Pope can make up for it.
As for Crawley and Sibley, 6 innings between them and no double digit score. With the amount of tests on the sub continent, I do wonder if it would benefit us to have a partnership with a Ranji Trophy team (Goa maybe) where we could send some of our best young county cricketers for a season, to get then more used to spin.
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2nd Test Day 2, Close of Play
Sri Lanka First innings 381 all out
England First innings 98 - 2 (30.0 overs)
England trail Sri Lanka by 283 runs with 8 wickets remaining
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Re ANDERSON. How can anyone criticise him? It makes a change from the usual unkind remarks about anyone connected with WBA.
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Re ANDERSON. How can anyone criticise him? It makes a change from the usual unkind remarks about anyone connected with WBA.
Very true and worth noting Jimmy’s stats from Sri Lanka’s first innings
Anderson - Overs 29.0, Maidens 13, Runs 40, Wickets 6, Econ 1.38
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Re ANDERSON. How can anyone criticise him? It makes a change from the usual unkind remarks about anyone connected with WBA.
He hasn't been criticised by anyone on here - everyone on here pretty much agrees he is England's greatest bowler and one of the World's greatest too.
I think the comments that Baggies was referring to were those on Twitter who seemed to suggest that he was too old for a tour of the subcontinent.
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Root showed all of his true class today. Scored quickly and freely. Big first session tomorrow which I think will dictate which way this game will go
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At tea, this game looks like Sri Lanka's. I expect their spinners to go through our tail quite quickly with the new ball and then have well over a day to put on enough runs for an early declaration. If we could somehow can stay batting long enough to limit them to only 30-45 minutes of their own innings today then we could still rescue a draw but it's going to need a big performance in both of the remaining innings.
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Sri Lanka 381 all out
England 254 - 6 (83 overs)
England trail Sri Lanka by 127 runs with 4 wickets remaining. We need lower order batsmen to keep an end going to support Root
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Root 150 Not Out!
Well done Joe!
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Got to hope Root can get his 200 and someone can stay with him and give a little contribution.
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338/8. Root on 186.
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Last ball of the day, so close to being a brilliant final session.
Root and Bess have put us in a good position but i'd have been more confident had we gone into tomorrow with Root still there.
If Leach and Anderson can put another 15-20 on then we still have a chance.
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Disappointed Root was unable to see the day out with his wicket still intact, but some excellent fielding by O Fernando
Still, a brilliant innings. Well done Joe!
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Superb stuff this from England's much maligned spinners! 47 for 5.
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It makes me nervous though.
Had Sri Lanka toiled all day and declared with a lead of 240 or so, we would have known our job was to aim to see out a draw on day 5. Now it's looking likely that we will be batting for 4 innings from tea today and chasing a total of around 150-160 maybe on a pitch that is turning. The odds of a draw have near enough vanished and the possibility of a loss has increased.
I know, i'm a pessimist.
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It makes me nervous though.
Had Sri Lanka toiled all day and declared with a lead of 240 or so, we would have known our job was to aim to see out a draw on day 5. Now it's looking likely that we will be batting for 4 innings from tea today and chasing a total of around 150-160 maybe on a pitch that is turning. The odds of a draw have near enough vanished and the possibility of a loss has increased.
I know, i'm a pessimist.
Far more likely to chase 160 (although anything beyond 135 will be a failure from this position 78/7) than block out for 90 overs.
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As ever, we are contriving to make a mess of it. No. 10 now 34 not out.
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MoTM Embuldeniya.
Urghhh
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Root's heading towards 70 wickets for England in all formats, some going for a part time bowler.
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Knew I should have set an alarm.. >:(
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Series won 2-0
Delighted that Sibley managed to get some time in the middle and runs on the board
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Going in the right direction with our test side now, a record amount of consecutive away wins (well for many years anyway) and a few of our middle order batsmen coming into form.
Sibley was slightly fortuitous with his half century however when you are off form, that doesn't really matter.
Going to look forward to the limited overs games, but after that, some selection headaches for India. Pope or Lawrence (depending on Lawrence's 1st test over there)? Does Ali come back in? Do we bring Keaton Jennings in to open if things don't go right for the openers? Do we play both Jimmy and Broad?
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Second Test, Day 4
Sri Lanka First innings 381 all out
Second innings 126 all out
England First innings 344 all out
Second innings 164 - for 4 wickets
England win by 6 wickets and with it the series
Well done lads!
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A fantastic victory, not the strongest Sri lanka team, but nevertheless that is still a great win.
I enjoyed the banter between the two sides. Root to chandimal was better than any sweep he timed in that series.
Pleased for the Vicar of Sibley to get a score, Buttler is starting to look far more assured at test level.
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One story that had passed me by - next weeks England v India test isn’t currently being shown on UK TV.
Disney currently own Indian TV network Star Sports who are the host broadcaster. Disney have still not sold the rights to anyone and there is a possibility that they might decide to broadcast it on their new subscription service.
It’s a bit of a joke but a sign of where major sports are going (and possibly how they will lose fans in the long term). Currently Sky and BT have the rights to Cricket games in the UK. Amazon are rumoured to be favourites to win the rights to the Ashes down under next time out and now Disney are thinking of getting in on the action as well. You would need 4 different TV subscriptions to watch International cricket in the UK and that is likely on top of Netflix - unsustainable.
A bit like Rugby Union who are looking to trade long term fans for short term cash by taking the Six Nations off terrestrial TV and UEFA losing viewers with their continued BT champions league contract, at what point do sports governing bodies realise that exposure is just as important as the current TV deal?
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Slightly off topic, but at which point do Sky end up slashing their prices due to fallin subscriptions?
They have lost the champions league, domestic Rugby Union, some international Rugby Union games, increasingly losing the cricket, losing domestic football to BT, professional wrestling, La Liga, more and more top domestic boxing and often being out bid for tournaments of interest such as the Big Bash league and Tennis tournaments.
They could justify their 80 quid per month when they were blowing ITV sport, Setanta and co out of the water, but now BT, Amazon and Disney are starting to eat away at their monopoly, surely people will start to cancel soon.
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5 FEB 2021INTERNATIONAL TEST MATCH SERIES - DAY 1 OF 5
LIVE
England 129 - for 2 wickets (54.0overs)
Sibley 53 no
Root 40 no
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Good toss to win, flat pitch but still a great performance so far. Root is back to his best and Sibley benefiting from his Sri Lanka 50 too. Shame about going last over and losing a review, but with Stokes, Pope, Butler and Bess to come on this pitch, we could get put on a 450 score or even more?
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Got to be looking for 550 plus, always that tricky third innings. Joe Root is In the form of his life. Pleased that Sibley is finding form and Burns look good until his poor dismissal.
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Close of Play
England 263 - for3 wickets (89.3overs)
Root 128 no
Sibley 87, LBW, b Bumrah
Another great knock from the Captain
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Root is outstanding in the sub continent and these 3 tests are going some way to rebuild his reputation.
A good day for England and great to watch it on terrestrial television.
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England have had an excellent morning. Root leaving it (and passing 150) to Stokes who for the most part has negotiated the Indian bowling very well.
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Stokes gone for 82. Crucial they get to 500 with these last 6 wickets. Big innings for Pope I feel.
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INTERNATIONAL TEST MATCH SERIES - DAY 2 OF 5
LIVE
England 451 - for 4 wickets(145.2overs)
Root 208 no (this is his 100th Test Match) A magnificent double century for the Captain
Pope 23 no
Stokes 82 c Pujara b Nadeem
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Joe Root with a double ton. Brought up with a 6 8)
It’s great to watch him when he’s in excellent form like this
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Joe Root with a double ton. Brought up with a 6 8)
It’s great to watch him when he’s in excellent form like this
It must surely be approaching "Arise Sir Joe" time
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Decent score, it will almost take a modern day record for India to win now.
Part of me wonders if we should have put our foot down a bit more in the final hour but that might be a bit unfair.
Surely we declare at this point and stick India in to bat?
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Decent score, it will almost take a modern day record for India to win now.
Part of me wonders if we should have put our foot down a bit more in the final hour but that might be a bit unfair.
Surely we declare at this point and stick India in to bat?
I don't see why. First inning scores overr 500 aren't that uncommon in India. No reason to not pile on as many runs now as possible. Bess is a capable batsman, might as well get as many runs now than potentially need more in a second innings on a failing pitch.
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While Bess is in I'd carry on. No point having Leach and Anderson scratching around for any length of time though.
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Kohli goooonneeeee. 71 for 3. Brilliant spell from Bess thus far.
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Root is on fire..what a catch..
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Is that supposed to be a pitch or sand pit?
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NTERNATIONAL TEST MATCH SERIES - DAY 3 OF 5
India 154 - for 4 wickets(41 overs)
England First innings 578 all out
India trail England by 425 runs with 6 wickets remaining
A bit of a revival from the Indian batsmen, but danger man Kholie c Pope b Bess 11
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Not strictly the right place but one of the great run chases going on in Bangladesh v WI test match
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Compelling viewing in Chennai. England chasing quick runs looking for a declaration. Currently 357 runs ahead but wary India chased 300+ in Aussie.
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NTERNATIONAL TEST MATCH SERIES - DAY 4 OF 5
LIVE
India First innings 337 all out
England First innings 578 all out
Second innings 135 - for 6 wickets (32 overs)
England lead India by 377 runs with 4 wickets remaining
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We now appear to be batting time. I can only think they want two bites of the new cherry, this evening and in the morning, which means a maximum of 12 overs tonight. Risky gameplan imo.
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Incredible bowling Jimmy Anderson. Reversing it miles.
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Fantastic stuff :D
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7 down now. 3 a piece for Jimmy & Leach. India's last 3 are genuine rabbits.
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Great win. Jofra wraps it up. 8)
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Disappointed I may actually have to do some work today now :D
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Disappointed I may actually have to do some work today now :D
But surely, it's celebration time :D
INTERNATIONAL TEST MATCH SERIES - DAY 5 OF 5
Result
India First innings 337 all out
Second innings 192 all out
England First innings 578 all out
Second innings 178 all out
England win by 227 runs
Anderson Overs 11.0, Maidens 4, Runs 17, Wickets 3 Econ 1.55 Great figures rom Jimmy again
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One of the all-time great England test victories. Hopefully we can keep the standards high moving through the rest of the series.
Absolutely brilliant seeing Anderson skittle the wickets was sensational.
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Great win - the toss is so, so crucial in this series.
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Great performance! Here's to hoping we can get back into see them in the summer. I booked my ticket on Friday for the test match at Edgebaston against New Zealand in June.
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A lot of squad rotation for the second test, as expected.
Moeen Ali replaces Dom Bess, Broad replaces Anderson, Woakes or Olly Stone will replace Archer (I thought we would go Wood) and finally Buttler is out for Ben Foakes.
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A lot of squad rotation for the second test, as expected.
Moeen Ali replaces Dom Bess, Broad replaces Anderson, Woakes or Olly Stone will replace Archer (I thought we would go Wood) and finally Buttler is out for Ben Foakes.
None of that bodes well for us. India will be delighted.
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I would have kept Bess and Anderson in the team and replaced Archer with Broad. I think Foakes is better than Buttler
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Cricket going the same way as football with a squad rotation to me it seems a good idea blood some of the younger players and rest the oldies.
Also if you're on tour you can't leave a player on the bench for weeks on end and then expect them to perform when the occasion requires it.
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Great start.
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Stone has bowled very well. Broady, not so much. Awful review just too.
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Moeen!
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Moeen has bowled like a drain, but just delivered one of THE great balls to dismiss Virat for a duck. The arrogant Indian captain refused to walk until he'd seen a replay.
90 for 3. England's morning after losing a vital toss.
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Some real interesting umpiring going on in this match.
We could still see a batting collapse from India and give us half a chance but this pitch is showing a lot of turn and I'd expect to see Ashwin and Patel cause us all sort of problems.
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Some real interesting umpiring going on in this match.
We could still see a batting collapse from India and give us half a chance but this pitch is showing a lot of turn and I'd expect to see Ashwin and Patel cause us all sort of problems.
Looks like I went for a few hours kip at the right time (lunch).
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Some real interesting umpiring going on in this match.
We could still see a batting collapse from India and give us half a chance but this pitch is showing a lot of turn and I'd expect to see Ashwin and Patel cause us all sort of problems.
I think that even at the point you posted that a collapse would've been too late.
Judging from the way the pitch played in that final hour, even 300 is pretty much a game winning score.
As I mentioned in the first test, win the toss, bat first, win - hope I'm wrong though.
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I think that even at the point you posted that a collapse would've been too late.
Judging from the way the pitch played in that final hour, even 300 is pretty much a game winning score.
As I mentioned in the first test, win the toss, bat first, win - hope I'm wrong though.
This toss was even more important. That was not a day one test match pitch. We need to restrict them to 350 and hope Root can do something extremely special against the Indian spinners.
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13 FEB 2021INTERNATIONAL TEST MATCH SERIES - DAY 1 OF 5
Close
India First innings 300 - for 6 wickets (88.0 overs)
Rohit innings was the backbone of there score
Rohit c Moeen b Leach 161
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I imagine the Indian team will be pretty happy.
I'm not particularly looking forward to seeing us bat on this deck, put it that way.
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Olly Stone doing his ashes hopes no harm at all.
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This is the game right here. Ashwin to Root. England reply has been dreadful so far. 16 for 2.
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Bottled it as soon as there is any pressure on. Poor. Off to bed.
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Bottled it as soon as there is any pressure on. Poor. Off to bed.
I wish I'd had that idea...
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All out for 134
Trail by 195
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I imagine the Indian team will be pretty happy.
I'm not particularly looking forward to seeing us bat on this deck, put it that way.
Mercifully, I forgot to set the alarm.
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Indian cricket twitter doing their best to argue that the pitch is aperfectly acceptable test standard pitch (despite Kohli getting clean bowled by spin for only the second time in his career and all within a few hours of the first day).
That said, despite the over cooked pitch and the awful umpiring, India have out played us throughout the first 2 days Their batsmen have found a way of putting competetive scores on the board and their spin bowlers haven't offered up regular easy deliveries.
1-1, need to put this test out of our minds and hope Leach/Bess/Moeem improve.
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Indian cricket twitter doing their best to argue that the pitch is aperfectly acceptable test standard pitch (despite Kohli getting clean bowled by spin for only the second time in his career and all within a few hours of the first day).
That said, despite the over cooked pitch and the awful umpiring, India have out played us throughout the first 2 days Their batsmen have found a way of putting competetive scores on the board and their spin bowlers haven't offered up regular easy deliveries.
1-1, need to put this test out of our minds and hope Leach/Bess/Moeem improve.
The pitch isn't great, but it's no different from a green seamer in overcast conditions with a Dukes ball. We just batted extremely poorly, Ben Foakes aside. Sadly he blotted his copy book missing an easy stumping on the most in form player.
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It is a poorly prepared wicket when the ball goes through the top and or takes lumps out of the top surface as this one has right from the start . Never seen Leach in the flesh so don’t know how tall he is but both Indian spinners are tall and getting very strange bounce as well as exaggerated spin at times . Don’t know how you are supposed to play the ball Stokes got , perhaps with a garage door !?
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It is a poorly prepared wicket when the ball goes through the top and or takes lumps out of the top surface as this one has right from the start . Never seen Leach in the flesh so don’t know how tall he is but both Indian spinners are tall and getting very strange bounce as well as exaggerated spin at times . Don’t know how you are supposed to play the ball Stokes got , perhaps with a garage door !?
Rohit has got 186 runs on it so far. Yes it's not Test standard if you want to utilise all 5 days but we've still been very very poor in this match.
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The pitch isn't great, but it's no different from a green seamer in overcast conditions with a Dukes ball. We just batted extremely poorly, Ben Foakes aside. Sadly he blotted his copy book missing an easy stumping on the most in form player.
Same criticisms were made about the awful England- Ireland wicket a few years back too. The pitch should atleast give you half a chance of 4 or 5 days.
Agree about our batting though, India have just handled the conditions better.
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India 0 for 2 today. Superb stumping by Foakes.
Pant has been promoted, expect he's just going to **** it.
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Foakes again!
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Whoever decided to drop Bess for Moeen wants sacking. Terrible cricketer.
Edit. Wicket 3 balls later, still bowling pies though.
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Well, that second innings put to bed any talk of the pitch being too difficult for test cricket then :-[ .
Ashwin and Suraj putting in a near 50 ball partnership for the 11th wicket and seeing 5 Indian batsmen make half centuries across the 2 innings with 2 of them converting those to 100's puts our batsmen to shame.
Now for a bit of practice ahead of the 3rd test.
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Test will be over by the time my alarm goes off at 8pm.. ::)
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Test will be over by the time my alarm goes off at 8pm.. ::)
Definitely will, it might be all over at 8am... ;)
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Definitely will, it might be all over at 8am... ;)
It took me a good 5 minutes to realise what I’d done...
I was right though, we didn’t make my alarm call :D
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Managed to catch the last few overs. Ali played some great shots shame it couldn't have lasted a bit longer. Very hard to say where we go in terms of selection for the next test. Bairstow should come into the team.
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Managed to catch the last few overs. Ali played some great shots shame it couldn't have lasted a bit longer. Very hard to say where we go in terms of selection for the next test. Bairstow should come into the team.
Given the rotation policy, we're not picking on form, but rather just giving everyone a go. I somewhat understand, given the hectic schedule, but it also feels like a waste to play India and not play your best team every match.
And if one thing has become clear, we really lack a good spinner. Moeen ended up with figures of 8-200 and something, Bess bowled about 15 full tosses in the last match, and I just don't rate Leach.
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Ali has decided he wants to go home. Hopefully that's his last chance with England gone. Not good enough.
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Ali has decided he wants to go home. Hopefully that's his last chance with England gone. Not good enough.
Hahaha. 8 wickets and top scorer.
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Hahaha. 8 wickets and top scorer.
Can only assume you didn't actually watch it. Gave 2 or 3 release balls an over. He should be going at no more than 2 an over on a surface like that and 8 wickets is about par.
Then he had a slog once the game was gone.
Not good enough and not sorry to see him slink off again.
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Can only assume you didn't actually watch it. Gave 2 or 3 release balls an over. He should be going at no more than 2 an over on a surface like that and 8 wickets is about par.
Then he had a slog once the game was gone.
Not good enough and not sorry to see him slink off again.
I'm not going to come here and say Moeen is good enough as a spinner, because I don't think he is, but he's not worse than Bess or Leach, in my opinion.
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Can only assume you didn't actually watch it. Gave 2 or 3 release balls an over. He should be going at no more than 2 an over on a surface like that and 8 wickets is about par.
Then he had a slog once the game was gone.
Not good enough and not sorry to see him slink off again.
If 8 wickets is "about par" then he is good enough
You can say whatever you like - as i said, top scorer. Fact.
Might your bias have something to do with him playing for Worcs maybe? ;D
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If 8 wickets is "about par" then he is good enough
You can say whatever you like - as i said, top scorer. Fact.
Might your bias have something to do with him playing for Worcs maybe? ;D
I literally have no interest in Midlands County Cricket. Worcs or Warks makes no odds to me.
He needed to take those 8 wickets at an economy rate of 2 an over or less for a par performance. As it was he and Leach were the difference in us not being competitive in the game.
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I literally have no interest in Midlands County Cricket. Worcs or Warks makes no odds to me.
He needed to take those 8 wickets at an economy rate of 2 an over or less for a par performance. As it was he and Leach were the difference in us not being competitive in the game.
No bowler from either side achieved that in the match, so by your logic, none of them are good enough. Hence why your comments made me laugh.
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No bowler from either side achieved that in the match, so by your logic, none of them are good enough. Hence why your comments made me laugh.
Not to belabor the point but both Indian spinners matched or bettered that economy in the first innings. Ali raced along at 4.4 an over 1st dig and 3+ an over 2nd dig. In no world is that good enough in those most favourable of conditions.
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How long since Moeen played red ball cricket ? Why not jump on Leach? The biggest difference between the Indian spinners and ours was they are taller and thus got more unpredictable bounce.
England did a lot wrong in this game. Picking more left handlers than right in the batting line up(Check Ashwins record ), strange field placings , inconsistent bowling , very poor batting . Basically just got out played. Be interesting to see the game under lights usually they favour quicker bowlers this is on a new ground too
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How long since Moeen played red ball cricket ? Why not jump on Leach? The biggest difference between the Indian spinners and ours was they are taller and thus got more unpredictable bounce.
England did a lot wrong in this game. Picking more left handlers than right in the batting line up(Check Ashwins record ), strange field placings , inconsistent bowling , very poor batting . Basically just got out played. Be interesting to see the game under lights usually they favour quicker bowlers this is on a new ground too
The conversation is about Ali because he's taken his bat and ball and gone home... AGAIN.
If you look 2 posts back I've also mentioned Leach... and no the biggest difference isn't height, in Ashwins case it is a question of ability, he's a far better player than any of our spinners while Axar is far more consistent than our 2 despite having literally no experience at this level...
It was an embarrassing performance from our spinners in comparison to their Indian peers.
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The conversation is about Ali because he's taken his bat and ball and gone home... AGAIN.
If you look 2 posts back I've also mentioned Leach... and no the biggest difference isn't height, in Ashwins case it is a question of ability, he's a far better player than any of our spinners while Axar is far more consistent than our 2 despite having literally no experience at this level...
It was an embarrassing performance from our spinners in comparison to their Indian peers.
I certainly wouldn't take any issue with you that the Indian spinners are better than ours. After all, they are the best in the world on their home turf and much more used to conditions than our lads. Also, winning the toss makes a huge difference, as their pitches rarely last 5 days. But, like with our football team, you just seem to take against certain players and no amount of logic or good performances will get you to change your mind. Moeen had a lot of problems with form and confidence a little while back and then got covid in Sri Lanka, so it's not surprising that he was a little rusty, but he certainly isn't "a terrible cricketer". I would be very surprised indeed if a single poster on here would agree with your assessment.
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The conversation is about Ali because he's taken his bat and ball and gone home... AGAIN.
If you look 2 posts back I've also mentioned Leach... and no the biggest difference isn't height, in Ashwins case it is a question of ability, he's a far better player than any of our spinners while Axar is far more consistent than our 2 despite having literally no experience at this level...
It was an embarrassing performance from our spinners in comparison to their Indian peers.
Apologies thought the thread was England Cricket not Moeen Ali
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Ali, Bess, Leach, none of them will ever be considered world class like Swann, Vetori, Lyon or even Panesar (for a time anyway). They are all stop gaps until we find the right one.
I'm not sure if they will turn to Rashid at some point this series (not for me in tests) or if they will fast track Virdi as some want, but the day night test looks really important now as we might atleast get a bit more joy from the quicks.
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In terms of spinners the cupboard is pretty bare. I think we have made changes for changes sake. Why drop Bess? Going forward I'd rather us stick with Bess and Leach who I think are the best we have. There not the finished article by any means, but they need games and overs for them to develop.
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Ali, Bess, Leach, none of them will ever be considered world class like Swann, Vetori, Lyon or even Panesar (for a time anyway). They are all stop gaps until we find the right one.
I'm not sure if they will turn to Rashid at some point this series (not for me in tests) or if they will fast track Virdi as some want, but the day night test looks really important now as we might atleast get a bit more joy from the quicks.
Interestingly Moeen Ali has a better strike rate for his wickets than Swann
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In terms of spinners the cupboard is pretty bare. I think we have made changes for changes sake. Why drop Bess? Going forward I'd rather us stick with Bess and Leach who I think are the best we have. There not the finished article by any means, but they need games and overs for them to develop.
He wasn't dropped, it's a rotation policy to manage game time across all formats this year.
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Interestingly Moeen Ali has a better strike rate for his wickets than Swann
He's also got 70 less wickets in one more test match. The difference is 0.1 in the stat you have found. All the other stats show him in a poor light.
He wasn't dropped, it's a rotation policy to manage game time across all formats this year.
Bess was dropped mate. Anderson was rotated. Archer injured.
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He wasn't dropped, it's a rotation policy to manage game time across all formats this year.
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/dropped_dom_bess_england_captain_joe_root_chennai_india_archer.html
He was dropped. Being told to work on his game by Root. Quite a damning comment really. Not been at all impressed with Bess when I’ve seen him bowl and these 4fers, 5fers he has taken has largely covered up the pies he bowls.
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Don't forget our wickets are not designed for spinners as those in the middle east. I think the wicket in Chennai should have been subject to a report.
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Don't forget our wickets are not designed for spinners as those in the middle east. I think the wicket in Chennai should have been subject to a report.
Why?
I think we need to look at ourselves rather than seeking to blame conditions.
India amassed over 500 runs on this pitch and their opening batsman knocked 161. Incidentally that was more than our first innings score and just a couple fewer than our second innings score.
We need to accept that we didn’t bowl well and nor did we bat well either. The demons lie there rather than the pitch.
It is the equivalent of us producing a green wicket in grey conditions where it’s swinging round corners.
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https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/dropped_dom_bess_england_captain_joe_root_chennai_india_archer.html
He was dropped. Being told to work on his game by Root. Quite a damning comment really. Not been at all impressed with Bess when I’ve seen him bowl and these 4fers, 5fers he has taken has largely covered up the pies he bowls.
Bess is still very much a work in progress. I let 23 and has t even played fifteen tests. The only way you get better is by playing. He offers a lot with the bat and I like his character.
Don't forget prior to this test we'd won out three previous tests without conceding 400 runs. Bess played a big part of that .
It took Rashid a long long long time before he became a top quality spinner.
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I'm glad England have clarified the Moeen situation after very clumsy handling from Root and Silverwood in the media. It was always planned for him to go home for the final 2 tests (like Buttler) but in light of his return to the team they asked him to stay on at the 11th hour (day 4 of thetest). He refused and will leave the tour as previously agreed.
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An inauspicious start after winning the toss.
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Can anyone explain to me what exactly Archer has achieved with the bat to justify him batting at 8 (or even 9)?
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That tail does look awfully long , especially when it looks like Ashwin will bat at 8 or 9 for India :o
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Uphill battle now. Ashwin dismisses Root in first over. Crawley going well 53 not out.
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Can anyone explain to me what exactly Archer has achieved with the bat to justify him batting at 8 (or even 9)?
It's a long tail. Would you rather have Broad coming out at 8? Archer, Leach and Anderson aren't really going to provide much resistance, and Broad is hit and miss.
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Shambolic.
Number 8 is the least of our worries.
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81 for 6.
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Outplayed so far. Why has Ben Stokes stopped playing attacking, enterprising innings? He's just going out to block.
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Bloody rubbish. The big problem we have we don't know our strongest 11 . Why no Bess again? Don't get these selections.
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Doesn’t matter who they select if they can't pick an arm ball. 5 out now basically missing straight ones.
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It's a long tail. Would you rather have Broad coming out at 8? Archer, Leach and Anderson aren't really going to provide much resistance, and Broad is hit and miss.
None of them should be batting at 8, it's poor selection, but both Leach and Broad are better batsmen than Archer. He's barely better than Jimmy.
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Outplayed so far. Why has Ben Stokes stopped playing attacking, enterprising innings? He's just going out to block.
The whole team pretty much went out to block.
Surely after seeing all your teammates out standing in the crease and blocking you would try something different?
You suspect that a) India's batsmen won't do the same and b) our bowlers won't be as consistent so their batsmen will get release balls
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Bloody rubbish. The big problem we have we don't know our strongest 11 . Why no Bess again? Don't get these selections.
It was obvious India was going to prepare a spinning pitch. So we pick Broad, Anderson and Archer. It's asking a lot of them.
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105-9 - five for Axar Patel
8 of the 9 wickets falling to spin.
Hope our seamers are ready :D
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Can anyone explain to me what exactly Archer has achieved with the bat to justify him batting at 8 (or even 9)?
Doesn't make much difference when the first 7 aren't putting any runs on the board..
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That was appaling batting from England, just sitting ducks, happy to block and push. Inda will win this series 3-1
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Stokes has just dropped a catch then tried to claim it, once DRS gives it not out England complaining like some huge injustice has occurred. What a dreadful day so far.
On a more positive note Anderson and Broad look very good so far.
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Stokes has just dropped a catch then tried to claim it, once DRS gives it not out England complaining like some huge injustice has occurred. What a dreadful day so far.
On a more positive note Anderson and Broad look very good so far.
Clear dropped catch - no need for the sarcastic applauding of the umpires decision. Bang out of order.
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Clear dropped catch - no need for the sarcastic applauding of the umpires decision. Bang out of order.
Just incredibly small time.
These bottlers need to be a bit more introspective.
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Too many passengers in this test side at the moment. The likes of Sibley, Pope and the now dropped Burns rarely put in good enough scores. I understand there are currently no alternatives and so we need to hope they come good but it always feels if Root or Stokes go easy, we are done for.
I do agree with Timdon about Archer (never quite understood him coming in so far up the order), but it is fairly inconsequential today. I did find Foakes innings a bit odd, batting like a night watchmen and not owning the batting when paired with tailenders, but superb bowling from Patel and Ashwin. Did Sundar even get to bowl?
No idea why Stokes moaned after his clearly dropped catch. Projecting a bit there.
Huge task now, game probably gone. Maybe could have done with 2 spinners but understand why the selectors chose the 4 seamer option.
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First time we've been bowled out for under 200 in 4 consecutive test innings since 1909. That is disgraceful. As Baggies says there aren't enough runs in this team. Only Root averages 40+ which is the base level for a test batsman.
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First time we've been bowled out for under 200 in 4 consecutive test innings since 1909. That is disgraceful. As Baggies says there aren't enough runs in this team. Only Root averages 40+ which is the base level for a test batsman.
Ben Foakes
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Ben Foakes
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Ah yes, my bad, forgot to include today.
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First time we've been bowled out for under 200 in 4 consecutive test innings since 1909. That is disgraceful. As Baggies says there aren't enough runs in this team. Only Root averages 40+ which is the base level for a test batsman.
i predict the fifth in a row before Saturday
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India finish 99-3 -13 runs behind with two wickets for Jack Leach.
What a rubbish day. Had we not been so abysmal with the bat I’d have been delighted to have India 99-3 !
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The batting is very poor. but with the possible exception of Buttler it is difficult to see who else has been knocking on the door with weight of runs . Could possibly play Woakes or Bess to lengthen the batting order but you then have to leave out either Broad , Anderson or Archer
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This is incredible stuff from Root. 3 for 0.
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Absolutely fantastic from Root.
I won't be getting excited just yet as we need to bat again on this... :D
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This is bonkers.
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Root with another.
Makes a bit of a mockery of our team selection ;D
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Doesn’t matter how well our bowler's do with this bottling batting line up. 0 for 2 off 3 balls.
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Bairstows test career just ended ?
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Bairstows test career just ended ?
He's no worse than any of the others (Root aside).
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At this point, it's hard not to imagine a village cricket side scoring more. We will be out for 70 here
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No but he, Bairstow, was struggling to get his place back and he’s just played two absolutely abysmal shots for somebody that got his place here because he’s supposed to be a good player of spin! He may keep his place for next game as somehow they will have to fit an extra ‘ batsman ‘ in
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At this point, it's hard not to imagine a village cricket side scoring more. We will be out for 70 here
Somebody will have to take the ‘ Long Handle ‘ out and come off . Interestingly the two blokes who coped best in the first innings Crawley and Rohit both looked to be aggressive . It may just have been that opening was the best place to bat though !
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Why had Sibley reviewed that?
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More importantly why is he playing that shot?!
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This is where the game is won or lost for England here. Need a big partnership between Root and Stokes
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Yes! Off the hook.
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What a thoroughly rubbish test match. This is over within two days.
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Setting conditions that assist spin is one thing, but this wicket is obviously ridiculous.
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Archer is so poor
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There is something missing in this England squad. It is that little bit of stuff between the ears of the batsmen and the selectors. These beautiful looking 'perfect' text book defensive strokes being wafted all around the ball area all very nice but totally ineffective on a wicket like this. Just hit the bloody ball! smother it or put into the stands anything but get bat on it because if you don't the umpire WILL give you out, and sometimes he will be right. Village cricket rules ok
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Archer is so poor
Unless he is bowling very fast, and not just at 3/4 speed and effort he should be nowhere near this team. Batting at 8 is sheer nonsense.
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So far today the batsmen are 126 /15 !!
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Hammering the pitch seems the easy way out. Some balls are turning square, some aren't turning at all. How are you meant to play on that?
First ball of our second innings Crawley did the right thing and play for the straight one, it turns past the outside edge bowled. Two balls later Bairstow plays for the turn and it goes straight on. England poor but getting above 150 would be superb on this pitch.
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India win by 10 wickets. Rohit finishes with a six chasing down 49.
Test match finished within 2 days - absolute rubbish.
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Indian Cricket Twitter showing why they vote in a right wing nationalist at every election. Nothing to do with the pitch, just all English batsmen (because a part time, spinner didn’t just return figures of 5/8). You can’t criticise an Indian pitch, oh no.
Highly unlikely we have a chance in the next match, the confidence is shot and the pitches are so heavily weighted to the bowler that we may as well select a white ball team and just got for it.
Looking towards the Ashes, there are a few players in the side who need runs in the summer else they need to be dropped. The likes of Sibley, Pope, even Crawley and Archer, just aren’t bringing enough to the side at the moment.
Writing off the next test, I hope the limited overs sides can avenge the series loss.
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India win by 10 wickets. Rohit finishes with a six chasing down 49.
Test match finished within 2 days - absolute rubbish.
2 days is awful. What an embarrassment.
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Disgraceful performance. Who on earth can we pick for the final test to give us some pride is beyond me
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Point 1 - that was not Test Cricket. To finish inside 2 days is appalling. Not even a May green seamer in Durham is that bad.
Point 2 - Root should've changed the batting order 2nd innings, why not open with Broad?
Point 3 - The England hierarchy have not complained a out the pretty biased umpiring all season.
Point 4 - Why don't the England hierarchy complain about a sub standard pitch?
Point 5 - Pitch will be exactly the same next week.
Point 6 - India are better than England. But the war, hung public were cheated in this game, regardless of result.
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Point 2 - Root should've changed the batting order 2nd innings, why not open with Broad?
Point 3 - The England hierarchy have not complained a out the pretty biased umpiring all season.
Point 4 - Why don't the England hierarchy complain about a sub standard pitch?
Agree in principle with 2.
Silverwood and Root both went in to see match referee after first day re 3rd umpire , not in itself unusual but the fact the press were told and released tends to mean it was above the norm.
Not sure if it’s still the same but things like pitches are marked and re marked upon in reports that have to be filled in and given to appropriate authorities .
Would just add that can’t see TV companies will be overly pleased if there’s too many repetitions they will stand to lose a lot in advertising revenues.
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I don't think any of our batsmen would have fared better. Broad would have been out inside 3 balls.
There is no doubt there should be concern for the quality of the wickets in every game so far.
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Mikehy as you have not played Test cricket in India your comment is very sillly.
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Mikehy as you have not played Test cricket in India your comment is very sillly.
Does that mean if none of us have ever played professional football, we aren't allowed an opinion on WBA?
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With the birth of the 'World Test Championship' there's a danger that this extreme loading of conditions in favour of the home side could become more common unless the ICC take a strong line...which is maybe unlikely.
It doesn't matter where you're playing, the ball shouldn't be going through the surface on day 1 of a test as it has in the last two games.
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England win the toss and bat.
India don't disguise their intentions. Axar on in 6th over. Sibley snicks another straight one playing for the turn. Bowled 2nd ball. Pathetic batting.
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Crawley skies one in Axar 2nd over. Totally the wrong approach, entirely unnecessary. England heads are gone against this spinner who hardly ever takes a wicket with a ball that turns. We really need to rethink this test batting line up. Too many of them are simply not good enough.
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Root out to the seamer first ball after drinks. They just need to get home. Not a single demon in this pitch and 32/3 after 13 overs.
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Nice to have a period of test cricket pass without incident. Bairstow and Stokes have moved us sedately on to 74 for 3 in the last 55 minutes.
A session without loss this afternoon would be lovely. This is a flat pitch.
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Not to be. Another poorish decision by the Indian umpiring team. Ball is too short for umpire to be sure and DRS shows the ball glancing the very top of the bails.
78 for 4. Bairstow gone for 28.
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121 for 5. Stokes now misses a straight one after a good half century. But it's just a dreadful shot.
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Gutted to wake up to this score. We need Lawrence, Pope and Woakes to steady the ship and push us past 300.
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Another one down in comical circumstances. Again plays the wrong line. Inside edge onto back ankle and balloons up to short leg.
166/6.
This is a 400 first innings pitch.
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Another one down in comical circumstances. Again plays the wrong line. Inside edge onto back ankle and balloons up to short leg.
166/6.
This is a 400 first innings pitch.
You know more about cricket than me. I appreciate watching a test match and in the last 3 years or so I've been rediscovering my love for the game. But what it the problem here with this English team? If this is a 400 first innings pitch - why are they struggling so much? Why hasn't Root been able to dig in as he did in previous innings and what's happened to Stokes? They've looked like boys out there these last few tests.
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You know more about cricket than me. I appreciate watching a test match and in the last 3 years or so I've been rediscovering my love for the game. But what it the problem here with this English team? If this is a 400 first innings pitch - why are they struggling so much? Why hasn't Root been able to dig in as he did in previous innings and what's happened to Stokes? They've looked like boys out there these last few tests.
We're a team that generally builds it's success around seam bowling. We've had 2 of the best exponents of it as mainstays of the team for over a decade. The batting has largely become secondary. You only have to look at their averages to see they aren't top players at this level aside from Root. We never replaced Pietersen or Cook with players even half as good in the side and it's coming home to roost.
This match particularly after taking into account that they just generally aren't very good, they have also been mentally destroyed by the 2nd test pitch imo. It seems at least 7 or 8 players are out to straight balls off the spinners invariably playing the wrong line in each innings. We don't face players of the quality of Ashwin on dry pitches in home tests but there is no excuse for how Axar has been allowed to settle into test match cricket.
There have been some dark arts by the Indians who sacked the pitch curator after the first test and there has been so very questionable umpiring, but the overarching factor is we've batted very poorly.
As I type, Foakes goes for 1.
Shambles.
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That's what I mean about the umpiring. How can he possibly soft signal that as out. Neutral umpires are one massive improvement made to international cricket in recent years.
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Another straight ball missed. LBW. 189 for 9.
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Part of the problem with the batsmen is they have got this far with inadequate techniques whatever the reason for that whether it be poor coaching , poor pitches , poor bowling etc needs to be addressed. I see Trescothick has been added to the coaching staff as batting coach. Have to say I don’t know if that’s good or not . Good batsman but not IMO a great plus the well documented personal issues it does however seem to show that the problem has been recognised
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Marcus Trescothick averaged over 43 in test cricket. The current batch of openers aren't fit to lace his boots.
40 is generally the bench mark for top class. Then you've got your World class players averaging very late 40s and above.
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Blow me down we've got past 200 ::)
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Marcus Trescothick averaged over 43 in test cricket. The current batch of openers aren't fit to lace his boots.
40 is generally the bench mark for top class. Then you've got your World class players averaging very late 40s and above.
I was judging on the fact that he didn’t get a 100 against Australia more than anything . Yes I know he’s miles ahead of the current crop. Like I said a good but IMO not a great !
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That's that. Another straight ball cannons into the pad. Leach playing for none existent turn. 205 all out.
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Jimmy strikes 3rd ball.
Love them umpires calls ;D ;)
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Anderson 5 overs 5 maidens 1 for 0.
Difference between the 2 batting line ups. Anderson bowled extremely well but Rohit and Pujara were solid in defence and where we ended up 3 down for 30. They've lost only 1 wicket. They have a platform for tomorrow.
Another forgettable day for this England test team.
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We're a team that generally builds it's success around seam bowling. We've had 2 of the best exponents of it as mainstays of the team for over a decade. The batting has largely become secondary. You only have to look at their averages to see they aren't top players at this level aside from Root. We never replaced Pietersen or Cook with players even half as good in the side and it's coming home to roost.
This match particularly after taking into account that they just generally aren't very good, they have also been mentally destroyed by the 2nd test pitch imo. It seems at least 7 or 8 players are out to straight balls off the spinners invariably playing the wrong line in each innings. We don't face players of the quality of Ashwin on dry pitches in home tests but there is no excuse for how Axar has been allowed to settle into test match cricket.
There have been some dark arts by the Indians who sacked the pitch curator after the first test and there has been so very questionable umpiring, but the overarching factor is we've batted very poorly.
As I type, Foakes goes for 1.
Shambles.
Thanks for the insight. The whole Cook era past me by really, just starting getting back into cricket at the end of his time, I missed out there. I’ve been reading a lot about the pitches in tests 2&3 but it seems we should’ve done better on this one so ya know - excuses excuses really.
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Thanks for the insight. The whole Cook era past me by really, just starting getting back into cricket at the end of his time, I missed out there. I’ve been reading a lot about the pitches in tests 2&3 but it seems we should’ve done better on this one so ya know - excuses excuses really.
In addition to the point that Jacko mentioned - the top three for England have not been replaced.
We had Strauss and Cook as openers but they were ably supported at no.3 by Jonathan Trott.
The three of them provided our middle with a solid base to build from.
The current crop are just not at the same standard, they expose our fragile middle order far too early.
How many openers have we tried since then? We must be at least 17.
There are deficiencies in this side be they in the sub-continent or in home-grown conditions.
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The Strauss/Cook side was at one point a bit of a freak. Didn't we have 7 or 8 players with averages over 40?
I'd probably argue that 2 or 3 batsmen with an average of 40 would be enough if they were backed up by people like Ben Stokes with a higher 30's average.
Problem is, we don't have many of them either. According to Cricinfo, Burns averages 30, Sibley and Pope average 32, Bairstow 34, Lawrence 21 (albeit small sample size). We only really have Root, Stokes and Crawley with acceptable test averages and Crawley's dropping and is probably artificially high thanks to the Pakistan knock.
I know our batting line ups have always been dominated by public school boys, but I think we are paying the price a bit now for not supporting cricket in state schools. Only 2 batsmen in the current set up are state school - Stokes (who learnt his early cricket in New Zealand) and Ali (who will have benefited from the Asian community in the area retaining a strong extra-curricular cricket presence and who worked his way up playing for Smethwick CC). If we actually funded grassroots team sports properly in this country, rather than focusing on elite medal winning sports and letting private schools pick up the slack then we might have a more competitive Cricket side, and Rugby Union, Rugby League, Field Hockey and Basketball sides for that matter.
I will caveat though, it does feel like test cricket standards are starting to slip anyway. I'm not sure if it's the fact cricketers now have to be multi format, or that advances in cricket like DRS and the bigger stumps etc make it tougher, but it feels a lot rarer now to see big batting totals or draws. Zimbabwe and Afghanistan just finished inside 2 days as well. I'd imagine a lot of county championship cricketers (and others worldwide) at a certain point start specialising in twenty twenty in the hope of a franchise league contract, where's 15 years ago they would have been all about the long format of the game and hoping to be late bloomers.
No idea what the selectors do with this side anyway, I think Sibley was the best batsmen in the county championship last year which is fairly harrowing. We probably have to stick with what we have but shuffle the deck a bit and just hope that Lammonby continues where he left off last year and has a great 2nd season in the county championship.
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One other thing I would add. I spoke about sending some young promising English batsmen for a season of Ranji trophy cricket, but why don't the ECB fund some of the smaller counties to produce more turning wickets like they have at Taunton? Surely a couple of sides like Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Northants or Kent could give a bit more variety so players get more exposed to turning pitches. We spend atleast a winter every few years playing India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and now in the UAE so we may as well get used to it.
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Our big problem is, we don't know who our best batsmen are. Burns, Sibley, Crawley all have shown, they can score runs both home and away but don't do it enough.
Our county cricket is very early on in the summer and right at the end. Very few spinners come into the game. The ECB pure focus is on one day Cricket. Twenty odd years ago, the really good test batsmen would end up in the one day side. Very few ODI specialists. The roles have now been reversed. The one day players do well, and go back into the test set up.
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Good start. Leach picks up Pujara. Very, very good umpiring.
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What a ball. Poor shot Kohli. Duck. 41 for 3 ;D
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Jimmy takes one with him into lunch.
80 for 4. India have batted very strangely this morning. Very reserved.
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I've tried not to join the moans about the commentary and punditry as it just feels in fashion, but I'm sorry, Pant plays a defensive stroke to Anderson, clips the inside edge and gets a lucky 4 race between the 2 slips and the BCCI approved commentators says "Pant played that well". With a bit more bounce he's caught out behind.
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Really want Bess to come good but I’m struggling to understand how you can be a spin bowler yet fail to bowl a good length on so many occasions. It’s at least 1 full toss an over!
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Superb from Stokes. Not sure I'd be happy with the umpire if I'm Rohit however.
Absolutely vital wicket.
121 for 5.
Really want Bess to come good but I’m struggling to understand how you can be a spin bowler yet fail to bowl a good length on so many occasions. It’s at least 1 full toss an over!
He's poor, you don't mind the odd 4 ball if his line was any good, but it's not.
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Just turning on, what happened with Pant before tea which meant he could've been out?
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Just turning on, what happened with Pant before tea which meant he could've been out?
Umpires call LBW given not out on the field.
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What a start from Bess!
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We just couldn't afford any passengers due to the make up of the side. Sadly Bess has moved beyond ineffective to detrimental.
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Take a bow Rishabh Pant.
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Some innings this by Pant. 90 minutes ago England were well on top. Fast forward to now and we can't win this match.
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1 in 10 of Dom Bess' deliveries are full tosses
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Don't think it's any coincidence we struggle to balance the side when Buttler is unavailable.
Definitely a day of what could have been. That Pant LBW just before tea show the margins involved. It's mm from being given by DRS, and of course out if given on the field.
We're effectively using 2 bowlers, an all rounder and a part timer due to how poor Bess has been. In 41 degree heat you've got no chance.
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I never really understood the wisdom of announcing Bess was dropped after the first test. We could have easily kept that in house and hid it behind the rotation policy, but instead, a bit like with the Ali situation, the comms felt unnecessary, too honest. It's no surprise that he has returned today and bowled the worst i've ever seen him. He is very publicly losing confidence and part of that might be down to poor management by the selectors and Joe Root.
I hope he gets the last few wickets, but either way now, I wouldn't be shocked if it was the last time we see him play for England in red ball cricket.
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Grim viewing this morning. India extend lead beyond 150. Virtually all the runs are coming off England's 3 spinners.
Another department that needs a total rethink.
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3 wickets in 5 balls wrap up the innings. 160 ahead. The catalyst a run out of Axar.
The 2 rabbits out to decent straight ones by Stokes. Sundar stranded 96 not out.
Big, potentially test career determining, innings for 4 of these England batsmen now imo. Failures for Sibley, Bairstow, Lawrence and Foakes could see them not play another test match.
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That's the end of Bairstow in this format. 3 ducks in 4 innings including 2 golden. Average of just 34 over a 74 match career. Quite simply not good enough, and time for the selectors to move him on permanently.
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Crawley by the way out to a straight one playing for turn that wasn't there... :-X
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Sibley gone now for 3. Unfortunate circumstances to be sure but another one who is looking like he's got neither the temperament or the ability to open the batting at this level.
He's now played 29 test innings and is averaging just 32. He would not get into any of the other top 7 test playing nations teams.
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Stokes is obviously exhausted but that is one of the worst shots I've ever seen from a test batsman. Short Leg and Leg Slip in place. Tame lap sweep straight into the waiting hands of the latter 30/4. This is utterly embarrassing.
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That's the end of Bairstow in this format. 3 ducks in 4 innings including 2 golden. Average of just 34 over a 74 match career. Quite simply not good enough, and time for the selectors to move him on permanently.
I'd have to agree, he hasnt made the big big runs this year, and had a poor test run for a while prior to this series. The cupboard looks very bare.
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We have 2 or 3 genuine Test class operators after that at the very highest level we are a very poor side. Not only are we a poor side but the cupboard looks very bare in terms of who could step up .This is particularly so in the batting department with the spin bowling not to far behind. The brainstrust need a bit of a look at themselves over certain issues to both over some of the rotation policy and the reading of the conditions and make up of the sides especially for the last 2 Tests
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To think this time yesterday it looked like we might actually have a 1st innings lead, yet now it's looking unlikely we even make India bat again.
I really hope Lawrence can build on this start after tea. He hasn't had a great series in India but if he could get another half century here then his average this winter will still likely be higher than the majority of this side has achieved and so worth persisting with.
Funny how Buttler now has a better average than Foakes and Bairstow without playing a single game.
Hard not to blame the openers who just haven't given us a base to play from all winter.
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Anorher innings defeat..Total capitulation....
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That made for satisfying viewing.
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Utterly dominant. We're so good at white ball cricket.
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The bowling was absolutely top notch making so easy for the batting line up
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More dark arts with a dying pitch after a heavy first defeat.
England doing themselves no favours with dropped catches though.
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And suspect umpiring now...
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Suspect? That stumping, though it won't effect the outcome, is cheating plain as day.
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I do enjoy twenty twenty cricket, but is there any other form of the game that is so dictated by winning the toss?
Before the PSL was postponed, I think every game bar the final one was won by the chasing side.
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Suspect? That stumping, though it won't effect the outcome, is cheating plain as day.
Well it was a choice of language from me that didn't really represent how clear as day it was!
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Another fine win. Mark Wood really showing his worth with the ball, and Buttler and Bairstow showing a great deal of skill to seal the win
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Another fine win. Mark Wood really showing his worth with the ball, and Buttler and Bairstow showing a great deal of skill to seal the win
Yes it was a good win. Watching Kohli bat was the highlight for me though...can see why he's so good across all forms.
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Poor performance by England today. Sam Curran is a bit of a luxury I feel and batting wise we wasted the first 2 overs of our chase. This puts pressure on Malan to get on with it straight away which isn't how he has reached no. 1 in the world.
So much for win the toss = win the match.
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Credit to India, defending a total without your best bowler and they still managed to restrict us as they did.
I'd still be tempted to drop a bowler and get Hales in but at this point Morgan has enough credit in the bank to do whatever he sees fit.
[Edit] - on second thoughts, 5 bowlers is just too risky now I've said it
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India are doing well thus far. 70-0 from 7 overs.
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An on song Rohit Sharma really is a joy to watch.
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Bowling is leaving a lot to be desired tbh.
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Well, Stokes gets him but that's a match winning innings already.
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This is some fantastic batting from India. Pressure firmly on our batsman as our bowlers won’t be keeping these below 200..
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Some pies bowled today dear me. Our bowling is starting too look very predictable. Hardly seen one yorker used in this series at all from either side.
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What a catch. Fantastic from Jordan
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In a pretty abysmal bowling effort, that is a great set from Rashid. Under 8 an over when the innings strike rate is over 10.
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Wasted the first over again. Can't see us winning the World Cup in these conditions.
Edit. Malan pulls it back with 18 off the next over.
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Tough watch this, they are so much more flexible with bat and ball. England bowlers far too predictable, let's hope the, remaining, batsmen can show some ingenuity. They are going to need it.
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We've effectively beaten the India powerplay in just 5 overs. Superb recovery but need to maintain the rate now the field goes back.
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We've effectively beaten the India powerplay in just 5 overs. Superb recovery but need to maintain the rate now the field goes back.
Yes, can't afford a lull in the middle otherwise we'll leave ourselves too much to do.
Intriguing game now. Thought the total was too high but maybe not.
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As good as he is I can’t stand Kohli
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As good as he is I can’t stand Kohli
Yeah, does come across as a tad spiteful.
Hill's too high to climb now though so he'll be smiling at the end. Mid innings stall done for us. Their bowlers just have more variety.
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These have to be the thickest bunch of cricketers since the year dot. The bowlers give em runs by bowling just the fastest stuff they can, and do not mix it up enough, and the batters try to hit high sixes instead of placements along the ground for fours. Where are the brains? India showed em what to do, surely we can do it as well if not better. Played well though have India, pity about Kohli's attitude
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Just shockingly poor continuing to expose these left handers.
Root has to come back solely because he's right handed.
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Convincing India win. England bowled poorly aside from the leg spinner and then put themselves in a position where they only had 19 overs to chase down 225. Roy must be under serious pressure for his place. Malan and Buttler batted superbly but neither had an answer to Kumar who is no more than a county pace bowler. The middle order looks badly exposed to wide cutters being all left handers so Root has to come back imo.
Going forward I'd get Stokes up the order:
Stokes
Buttler
Malan
Root
Morgan
Bairstow
Moeen/S Curran depending on conditions
Jordan
Archer
Wood/left armer
Rashid
Roy and Hales waiting in the wings for injuries to top order.
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Oh God! here we go again. Have to agree with that Jacko. Poor (brainless) bowling except maybe for Jordan and Rashid, who were slightly better, and, an inability to deal with a decent, clever, but not world-beating bowler. Stokes has to be involved early but Malan has earned his place, so the order you go for also seems the best to me.
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I guess the only question mark of having Stokes at the top of the order will be dependant on how involved he is with his bowling..
I wouldn’t necessarily want him bowling at the death and then coming into bat after a short break.
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At least it removes the tag of favourites for this year's world cup. It always felt a bit fanciful when our bowling attack rank 2nd bottom in the world in some of the stats (I think the main one being power plays).
Bit surprised Morgan didn't experiment a bit more this tour, it feels like this side could be improved on but you get the impression Morgan sees this as his world cup side.
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Ouch.
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Brainless brainless batting after a decent start. Why keep going over the top when all you need is a run a ball or less, Work the field, take the odd (bad) ball for four, and win the game with enough wickets in hand in the last over or two to score what is needed. Absolutely brainless showboating by some of em.
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England seem to really struggle to bat sensible.
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They struggle to bat and bowl sensibly.
Cricket is about thinking, craft, intelligence. Not every ball has to be 150mph, or swing in the last 2 yards, or turn at right angles. It's the variation, sometimes the hardly perceptible variation in line length or pace that gets the wicket.
Not every ball has to go for 6, a well timed or placed shot along the ground for 4, or a quickly run 3 or even a 2 moves the field around gets them on edge, and will move the score on almost as quickly and a lot more safely than trying to hit it over the top at every opportunity. They need to be able to adjust, it's not always the perfectly executed and held photo opportunity shot that gets the runs, especially when as so often they nick the ball or miss it altogether.
Batting can be difficult, even dangerous at times, but like bowling it is also about craft and guile. They need to think, but in so many cases they appear not to have the appropriate equipment.
And please do not mention recent captaincy and field placings. Many of which just seem to follow fashion, lack originality or thought, and bear little resemblance to what might be needed to get a good player out by out-thinking him and laying traps.
Tek no notice- just having a moan- it's me age!
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welcome Sir Geoff !
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Getting there mate, getting there ::)
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Crazy since the 35th over today, went out and got back and I can't believe the score
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The Chernobyl tribute act begins...
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Meltdown averted. What a win.
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Took their cricket brains out of the boxes, used em, and gave a superb, brilliant, proper attacking batting display. Well done England!
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England are a wonderful batting side when on song. The bowling leaves a lot to be desired at times. Watching the last 11 overs of the Indian innings was a spectacular display of very good batting and dreadful bowling (besides Topley). We were missing key players though. I also can't help but feel India's approach to this format is all wrong. They simply waste too many overs knocking it around at 4 an over.
A word for Jos Buttler, who had a terrible day dropping 2 catcges and a duck but captained that limited attack extremely well.
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The Ben Stokes innings was incredible. Deserved a ton.
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49 runs in 12 balls wpuld make Chris Gayle's eyes water
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India bowled out for 329..
England need 330 to win the series
Wickets for all the bowlers - Wood with 3-34 off his 7 and Rashid 2-81 off his 10
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India bowled out for 329..
England need 330 to win the series
Wickets for all the bowlers - Wood with 3-34 off his 7 and Rashid 2-81 off his 10
A very odd innings, we didn't bowl at all well overall, yet it felt more comfortable than when India did it the other way round. A couple of miracle wickets and more than a couple of gifts from the batsmen means we're chasing at best a par score to win the series. Delighted at halfway.
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28-2...
Here we go. ::)
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Ben Stokes dropped by Hardik Pandya
This is a massive partnership between Stokes and Malan. Lose either of these and its a long chase with Buttler, Livingstone and Moeen to come.
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We have been massively outplayed across all three formats on this tour. Our bowling in the white ball games has been bang average.
We are slowly going backwards .
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India win by 7 runs. Great game of cricket.
Unlucky Sam Curran - bloody good effort
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Very very good viewing! Far better than the football!
Didn't see us taking it to the penultimate ball.
Really enjoyable tour of India, may have lost all types of the game but it ebbed and flowed and was great viewing.
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As there is a busy weekend of sport coming up, you would be forgiven for missing out on the fact this weekend is the start of the County Championship.
As I don't follow a county side, I struggle to have any interest with the domestic long form of the game, but with it being an Ashes year there is always the chance to keep an eye on a few players who could be later additions to the side over both this summer and then the winter.
https://www.insideedgecricket.co.uk/
I've pasted a link for those who are interested to a website that a few weeks ago did a preview of each team, crucially telling you who to watch out for.
The main 4 i'm really interested in are:
Bowling - Amar Virdi (Surrey). Right arm off spinner who travelled to Sri Lanka this winter. Only 22 but arguably the most likely spin bowler to take advantage of Dom Bess's struggles (with Matt Parkinson being a leggie I expect him to get pushed towards the short forms of the game). Fingers crossed he has a great year.
Batting - Tom Lammonby (Somerset). The 20 year old seems to be considered the hottest prospect in county cricket. In his debut season, he averaged just under 52.00 and scored 3 centuries in just 6 matches (including in the Bob Willis troohey final which replaced the County Championship last season), while scoring another century last weekend in the final pre season warm up. An opening batsmen in the long form of the game, a strong season this year and more top order woes for England could see him make an early test debut. Even more impressive - Lammonby is actually an all rounder in twenty/20 cricket. Sadly, he is yet another leftie.
Dan Mousley (Warwickshire). 19 year old batsmen who is expected to cement his place in Warks first team this year. England age grade captain who features in a lot of the pre tournament previews "ones to watch" lists, my interest in him really boils down to the fact I saw him play live a couple of years ago when I spent a couple of hours at the old M and B ground in Bearwood for a Bears vs Pears second XI game.
Long shot - Haseeb Hameed (Nottinghamshire). Burst onto the scene Tom Lammonby style a few years ago for Lancashire and I believe he has the second highest test cricket average of any current (available) English cricketer after his brilliant tour of India a few years ago. Had a really tough few years and ended up being released by Lancs, only to be picked up by Nottinghamshire. He is still only 24 but probably needs to have a big season this year If he is going to realise his potential.
The country championship is a poor standard (the best batsmen last year was the ancient Sir Alastair Cook and you only have to see how different Dom Sibley looks in the domestic season compared to test cricket), but it's all we have so worth keeping an eye on the odd player.
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Hameed has been made Vice Captain at Notts, who seem to have changed a few of their personnel.
Edited as apparently I don't proof read my own posts
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So, that “Lammonby maybe for England†talk. Across his first 4 innings of the season, he has averaged just over 1 run an innings, with scores of 5, 0, 0, 0. First season playing on the early green pitches and he has struggled. Looks like he will need a few years after all.
At least Ollie Pope got a double hundred.
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So, that “Lammonby maybe for England†talk. Across his first 4 innings of the season, he has averaged just over 1 run an innings, with scores of 5, 0, 0, 0. First season playing on the early green pitches and he has struggled. Looks like he will need a few years after all.
At least Ollie Pope got a double hundred.
I was waiting a couple more weeks before bringing this up with you ;D
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I've been more and more deflated each innings I check in on. I hope he shows a bit of character with a big score soon else he probably loses his place (short term).
On the brightside, Hameed did score a half century and Virdi is doing well despite it not being spinner friendly this time of the year.
There have been some huge scores though, Ben Foakes is playing well and a young Welsh lad scored centuries on both innings for Glamorgan this weekend.
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I've been more and more deflated each innings I check in on. I hope he shows a bit of character with a big score soon else he probably loses his place (short term).
On the brightside, Hameed did score a half century and Virdi is doing well despite it not being spinner friendly this time of the year.
There have been some huge scores though, Ben Foakes is playing well and a young Welsh lad scored centuries on both innings for Glamorgan this weekend.
Yes that makes a change. Kiran Carlson has looked a good player for a couple of years while juggling cricket and studies. Hopefully could be a breakthrough season for him.
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Tea at Trent Bridge - Warwickshire need 96 to win three wickets remaining - Dom Sibley hadn’t batted due to a fractured finger.
Hameed and Clarke were excellent in the second innings. As always, Sam Hain has been a mainstay for the bears.
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Warwickshire win by three wickets. I would never have predicted that when Notts posted 333 to win.. ;D
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Warwickshire win by three wickets. I would never have predicted that when Notts posted 333 to win.. ;D
Watched about the last 10 overs as it looked interesting, Broady bowling for Notts.
Worcestershire managed to hold on for a draw against Derbyshire, finished second innings 8 wickets down. Derbyshire probably should have declared earlier
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Joe Clarke dropped Tim Bresnan off Broad just after Olly Stone had gone.
With Sibbers and OHD I’d have backed Notts from there.
They’ve a strong team on paper but seemingly cannot win a game
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Joe Clarke dropped Tim Bresnan off Broad just after Olly Stone had gone.
With Sibbers and OHD I’d have backed Notts from there.
They’ve a strong team on paper but seemingly cannot win a game
Very much this. I follow Notts as I live a stone's throw from Trent Bridge, and it seems they have assembled a very competitive squad on paper, it just hasn't clicked yet.
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Ed Smith has been sacked - new structure put in place with Chris Silverwood in overall charge of selection.
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Ed Smith has been sacked - new structure put in place with Chris Silverwood in overall charge of selection.
Hard to get away from a cost cutting element here. Silverwood is a busy man. James Taylor as 'head scout' may effectively be taking over the head of selectors role but on a lot less. Wonder who the other scouts are ? Maybe the head coaches of the counties.
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Ed Smith has been sacked - new structure put in place with Chris Silverwood in overall charge of selection.
Although I'm not a cricket fan I do occasionally open this thread. On those occasions England have generally either been very good or very poor.
Here's hoping the above proves good news for you cricket lovers by bringing about a much more consistent and enjoyable English cricketing very good outcome.
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Although I'm not a cricket fan I do occasionally open this thread. On those occasions England have generally either been very good or very poor.
Here's hoping the above proves good news for you cricket lovers by bringing about a much more consistent and enjoyable English cricketing very good outcome.
It's about time they called Jacko up to the England team
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Hard to get away from a cost cutting element here. Silverwood is a busy man. James Taylor as 'head scout' may effectively be taking over the head of selectors role but on a lot less. Wonder who the other scouts are ? Maybe the head coaches of the counties.
I read that it was Taylor and Mo Bobat who will oversee the main scouting roles.
Smith oversaw a modernising of the scouting system and pursued a reliance on statistics. This will continue to feed to Silverwood with Taylor and Bobat as foot soldiers.
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It's about time they called Jacko up to the England team
Impressive stats ;D .
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Impressive stats ;D .
They will be in no doubt about where they have been going wrong ! ;-)
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Worcestershire are flying along this morning - 122-0 at Lunch against Notts. MarkW might be throwing those stones at Trent Bridge as we speak :D
Warwickshire currently have Essex at 81-3. Cook was the top scorer so far falling for 46. Tom Westley and Dan Lawrence have made 9 between them.
The Warwickshire live stream is frustrating as it only focuses on the stumps so I cannot comment on any of the catches or boundaries during the game. I've got a cracking view of the umpire though. :D
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Hahaha, it's such a lovely day here. Perfect for batting. Will be interesting to see how the County Championship team do, as the white ball team is very good
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Massive collapse from Essex this afternoon - they went from 186-4 to being bowled out for 295. Oliver Hannon-Dalby and Olly Stone with 4fers. Bears unbeaten overnight.
I have no meetings tomorrow so will be taking in some of the cricket. Even if it is one camera angle. :D
Worcester finished up 305-7 at stumps
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Decent recovery in the end from Worcestershire; went from about 140-0 to 220-7! Then finish on 305-7
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So after 5 single figure innings, 20 year old Tom Lammonby finally got among the runs with a quick fire 70 not out to see Somerset CCC to victory. Hopefully he can use this as the start point for a few more decent scores in the coming weeks. His opening partner Tom Blanton might need moving down the order though.
In even better news, Haseeb Hameed has followed up his half century from last week with his first century for Nottinghamshire, scoring 111. He is currently leading their line again in the second innings, 37 not out, aiming to avoid defeat to Worcs. It would be great if he could keep this going and have the sort of season that puts him back in England contention.
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Is county cricket shown on TV anywhere?
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Is county cricket shown on TV anywhere?
No is the general answer to that. There are half decent and legal streams available of pretty much all county matches at the moment on the various county web sites.
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Is county cricket shown on TV anywhere?
The county teams stream their footage with bbc radio used as commentary
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Fantastic day of cricket at Edgbaston yesterday and I’ve caught a nice tan in the back garden to boot.
Warwickshire made 284 following some late runs from Danny Briggs who looks a great addition with the bat as he provides much needed lower order runs.
Essex are currently 213-9 with a lead of 224. It’s a great recovery as they were 36-5 and staring down the barrel of defeat. If Essex add to that score this morning then they will be slight favourites given their attack.
Dan Lawrence made a less than convincing 55. He never looked at all comfortable and was turned sideways a few times by Miles and OHD. He was run out in the end chasing an impossible single.
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Is county cricket shown on TV anywhere?
The streams are quite decent to be honest, as Liam says it’s has the radio commentary on with it
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Warwick’s games are shown on their own app
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Hameed with another century as he and Ben Slater make a good start at edging Notts ahead of Worcs
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My county Lancashire have had an excellent start to the season. Today we've wrapped up an innings win over a good Kent side with sometime England leggie Matty Parkinson taking 7 for 126 off a whopping 52 overs.
Ohhhhh Lanky Lanky!!
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Warwickshire beat Essex by 7 wickets to go top of group one. Rob Yates unbeaten on 120 with half centuries for Hain and Vihari.
A great four days of cricket finished with a well measured chase this afternoon.
#Youuuubeeeears
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Warwickshire beat Essex by 7 wickets to go top of group one. Rob Yates unbeaten on 120 with half centuries for Hain and Vihari.
A great four days of cricket finished with a well measured chase this afternoon.
#Youuuubeeeears
Some chase that against Harmer in particular.
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Do love county cricket, all the other games are finished but Hants have taken the extra 30 minutes in pursuit of 1 Glos wicket. The 10th wicket pair with a currently unbeaten stand of 36.
Edit. And they held on for a draw.
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So I need to pick a club to support. I used to have a cricket game where Mushtaq Ahmed played for Surrey and I always played as them. Think they had Graham Thorpe and Alec Stewart too so maybe I’ll choose them!?
Although my local team from where I’m born would Warwickshire and probably the closest team to where I live is Somerset. Amazingly all of Cornwall and Devon can’t produce a good county cricket team?
I suppose what I want from a team I support is to suffer - like England and West Brom make me do!
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So I need to pick a club to support. I used to have a cricket game where Mushtaq Ahmed played for Surrey and I always played as them. Think they had Graham Thorpe and Alec Stewart too so maybe I’ll choose them!?
Although my local team from where I’m born would Warwickshire and probably the closest team to where I live is Somerset. Amazingly all of Cornwall and Devon can’t produce a good county cricket team?
I suppose what I want from a team I support is to suffer - like England and West Brom make me do!
Suffering? I reckon Leics or Northants. Never seem to do anything in the longer forms of the game.
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Suffering? I reckon Leics or Northants. Never seem to do anything in the longer forms of the game.
I was being facetious. I wouldn’t know how to cope with prolonged success and feeling comfortable!
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Some chase that against Harmer in particular.
Batted really well and largely nullified Harmer who was responsible for longing out the day.
The top order needed this as there’s been some concerns regarding the brittleness of our batting line up - myself included. Back to back wins chasing competitive totals should do them the world of good.
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A couple of players to keep an eye on. I know Rob Key has been a huge fan of James Bracey at Glos for a while and he has been getting a lot of chatter on the Hussain and Key show on Sky. The other getting a lot of talk is Matt Critchley at Derbyshire who leads the averages this season for those who haven't finished not out.
Both have started the season really well and both bat in the top order so I'd imagine both will be firmly on the radar of the selectors.
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Kiran Carlson at Glamorgan now has 2 centuries and 3 fifties in his 6 innings so far. He's now 22 and was the youngest to score a century for Glamorgan at 18. Should also be in discussions.
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To put Warwickshire win into more context - this from George do bell of cricinfo
To put the result in perspective, it was Essex's first defeat in first-class cricket since 2019 - they had gone 21 games without a loss - and the first time since Simon Harmer arrived in 2017 they had conceded more than two - yes two - to lose a game in the fourth innings. Warwickshire, by contrast, went into this game having won only one Division One Championship match (or Bob Willis Trophy match) at home since September 2016. Harmer has not conceded more runs in an innings when he has not taken a wicket in his period at the club.
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To put Warwickshire win into more context - this from George do bell of cricinfo
To put the result in perspective, it was Essex's first defeat in first-class cricket since 2019 - they had gone 21 games without a loss - and the first time since Simon Harmer arrived in 2017 they had conceded more than two - yes two - to lose a game in the fourth innings. Warwickshire, by contrast, went into this game having won only one Division One Championship match (or Bob Willis Trophy match) at home since September 2016. Harmer has not conceded more runs in an innings when he has not taken a wicket in his period at the club.
Hopefully Worcestershire can make it 2 in 2 defeats for them next week
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Hopefully Worcestershire can make it 2 in 2 defeats for them next week
You Pears ......... come on
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The Warwickshire/Durham game is currently being played on grass :D
I've seen green pitches but this is extremely green in cloudy conditions.
The bears currently 18/2 off 10 overs
Mark Wood is playing for Durham and has bowled well this morning.
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Ben Slater of Notts gets to three figures again, and also 5000 career runs at the age of 24.
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The Warwickshire/Durham game is currently being played on grass :D
I've seen green pitches but this is extremely green in cloudy conditions.
The bears currently 18/2 off 10 overs
Mark Wood is playing for Durham and has bowled well this morning.
82/8 now, been unlucky Warwickshire with the bowlers faced. They had to face Broad the other week in his only game although not sure if he is playing for Notts today.
Essex currently 139/1 against Worcestershire, Sir Alistair Cook 83 not out. Seems a flat wicket again so could be on for 4 draws out of 4 if any bad weather for Worcester
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82/8 now, been unlucky Warwickshire with the bowlers faced. They had to face Broad the other week in his only game although not sure if he is playing for Notts today.
Essex currently 139/1 against Worcestershire, Sir Alistair Cook 83 not out. Seems a flat wicket again so could be on for 4 draws out of 4 if any bad weather for Worcester
Broad is indeed playing for Notts today
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Warwickshire bowled out for 87... that's sound more like the bears I know.. :D
Ben Raine has bowled excellently - bowler friendly conditions but he's ended up with 5-9.
There's rain forecast for the next few days - think we might require it !
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Not a great day so far for any of our county teams...
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Not a great day so far for any of our county teams...
Parky looks like he’s had an expensive afternoon..
Essex cruising against Worcs.
Warwickshire staring at an innings defeat
Notts fighting back against Derbyshire..
Bring on the rain ;D
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Parky looks like he’s had an expensive afternoon..
Essex cruising against Worcs.
Warwickshire staring at an innings defeat
Notts fighting back against Derbyshire..
Bring on the rain ;D
Since posting that Derbyshire have made 256 all out look like 500 ;D at least one of us will be happy.
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See 44 year old Darren Stevens managed to get Marnus Labuschagne out today ;D
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Ollie Pope back among the runs with a 132 for Surrey (overshadowed by the brilliant Hashim Amla’s double century). Dan Lawrence scored a 90 at New Road as well, although it’s a dead pitch.
Tom Lammonby continues to struggle but I’m glad the bolter Haseeb Hameed recovered from a first innings duck to score 94, just a shame he couldn’t make it a 3rd century in 4 innings. Still, he has 4 really good scores out of 5 now and the nationals were talking up his England chances again ion Monday (probably a bit prematurely).
Interesting story as well on the BBC live feed. A 20 year old Northern Irish off spinner called Jack Carson is currently ripping through the Lancashire batting line up after taking a few wickets vs Yorkshire. One to watch.
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Nottingham win for the first time in red ball cricket since 2018, with a 300+ run win Vs Derbyshire
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Glamorgan beat Kent in 2 days yesterday - 2 day wins for Glamorgan don't come around too often.
I took out Glamorgan membership when I took a redundancy package early last year.....yet to see a ball being bowled.
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Glamorgan beat Kent in 2 days yesterday - 2 day wins for Glamorgan don't come around too often.
I took out Glamorgan membership when I took a redundancy package early last year.....yet to see a ball being bowled.
They’re seemingly doing better without you :D
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They’re seemingly doing better without you :D
Can't argue with that :)
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Some hefty innings wins today in the Championship.
Lancashire finely poised with Sussex, needing a further 129 with 8 wickets in the shed. Just needs one more decent partnership.
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Warwickshire received what I would call a battering..
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Yorkshire win by 1 run!!!
Looks like another draw for Worcester; 4 draws out of 4 will take us 2nd in the group I think which I suppose is a down side of the new increased points for draws
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Great win for Lancs, who are effectively top of the County Championship 8)
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An early Ashes positive - Anderson get Labuschagne for 12 in the Lancs vs Glamorgan game ;D
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An early Ashes positive - Anderson get Labuschagne for 12 in the Lancs vs Glamorgan game ;D
Squared him up and snicked him off!! Oh Jimmy, Jimmy!!
Rain stopped play now.
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This time last week Warwickshire had been bowled out so the fact we're only three down so far is an improvement ;D
Currently 134/3 against the Pears. Pieter Malan made his debut and was out in the mid thirties.
Rob Yates currently 70*.
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This time last week Warwickshire had been bowled out so the fact we're only three down so far is an improvement ;D
Currently 134/3 against the Pears. Pieter Malan made his debut and was out in the mid thirties.
Rob Yates currently 70*.
We’ve been struggling to take wickets all season to be honest
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Ahh balls, Hameed goes for 1 shy of his half century. It would have been 5 half centuries in 6 innings.
Still, he is getting consistently good knocks so far this season, I wonder how long it will be before he goes from outside chance to serious England top order contender again.
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Ahh balls, Hameed goes for 1 shy of his half century. It would have been 5 half centuries in 6 innings.
Still, he is getting consistently good knocks so far this season, I wonder how ling it will be before he goes from outside chance to series England top order contender again.
Will depend entirely on Burns imo who has been well off it at the highest level after a difficult few series.
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Reckon Sibley is safe at the moment then?
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Reckon Sibley is safe at the moment then?
Safer than Burns I think who looks very fragile. I'm not Sibley's biggest fan tbh I don't think his technique is good enough but we need a modicum of stability at the top of the order.
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Not a huge fan of it but some counties have written to the ECB stating that they would be happy to stage the rest of the IPL in around September time.
As I say not the biggest fan but would probably be interested in a few matches at Edgbaston
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The positive of having the IPL in the county grounds is that it might force more of the county championship later rounds to be played at out grounds. Might allow the spin bowlers a bit more joy.
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Big wicket at OT as Carlson goes cheaply. Glamorgan 153 for 5.
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Unless Worcestershire have a batting collapse then probably be another draw for us with the forecast in the next couple of days
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Unless Worcestershire have a batting collapse then probably be another draw for us with the forecast in the next couple of days
Yup, not expecting much cricket over the next couple of days
Worcestershire are seemingly the draw specialists :D
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Yup, not expecting much cricket over the next couple of days
Worcestershire are seemingly the draw specialists :D
Today has been abandoned unsurprisingly
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One I missed yesterday - Hameed's back in the England squad! Replaces the injured Foakes.
A bit early for me but good to see him integrated.
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18,000 at Edgbaston - very much looking forward to it :)
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18,000 at Edgbaston - very much looking forward to it :)
I thought i had got a ticket for the Friday. But i have been told by Edgbaston they have sold the full allocation and people have got too wait now to see if they get in 7000 fans won't! Those who get in have also got to sign a form saying they accept it's a trial and take a negative natural flow test with them on their phone.
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I thought i had got a ticket for the Friday. But i have been told by Edgbaston they have sold the full allocation and people have got too wait now to see if they get in 7000 fans won't! Those who get in have also got to sign a form saying they accept it's a trial and take a negative natural flow test with them on their phone.
I'll be taking nothing on my phone as it the NHS app doesn't work on it ;D
I did not know that the full days play on the Friday had sold out - when I purchased my tickets recently there was some remaining though it was slim pickings.
We've had to go in the bloody family stand - still, at least there won't be no under 16s there :D
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Lancs have got Yarksher 21 for 5. :o
Edit. 21 for 6 ;D
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I'll be taking nothing on my phone as it the NHS app doesn't work on it ;D
I did not know that the full days play on the Friday had sold out - when I purchased my tickets recently there was some remaining though it was slim pickings.
We've had to go in the bloody family stand - still, at least there won't be no under 16s there :D
I am in the family stand aswell! If I get in.
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I am in the family stand aswell! If I get in.
Oh brilliant - if we are both in it would be nice to say hello mate.
We’ll touch base on Tuesday when we find out ;D
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Seems like there's a good game between Warwickshire and Notts. Warks are 163/3 after 64 overs. No Broad for Notts as he's off with England now
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Got tickets for the 1st & 2nd day at Edgbaston so hoping I am going to be lucky enough to not miss out after already losing my England v Scotland & England v Czech Republic euro tickets.
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Seems like there's a good game between Warwickshire and Notts. Warks are 163/3 after 64 overs. No Broad for Notts as he's off with England now
Its been a rather slow day to be honest. Glad to see Will Rhodes in the runs after a drought so far this season.
I'm hoping to pop to Edgbaston on Saturday to soak some of it up :D
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Oh brilliant - if we are both in it would be nice to say hello mate.
We’ll touch base on Tuesday when we find out ;D
That would be good Liam. If we are in we'll arrange a meet 👍
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Great to be back at Edgbaston today seeing live cricket in the flesh. A thoroughly entertaining days play which sees Warwickshire with a lead just short of 250.
Zac Chappell boweled very, very well for Notts. He single handedly brought them back into the contest at one point. He was rapid.
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Fantastic win for Warwickshire - bowled out this morning leaving Notts with 308 to win. In response Notts bowled out for 138 with Briggs claiming 4.
In a very handy position within this group as we head to Derbyshire next week.
Looks like a good weekend for all of our sides aside from Mark :D
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Haha yeah I saw that! Very good win for Warks. I'm just happy to the sun is out! 8)
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Just catching up as was playing both days this weekend. Great win for Lancs in the Roses match. Will be very good cricket to watch when the best teams from these 3 conferences meet.
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Test cricket for England is back tomorrow woohoo
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Refreshing my emails in hope of the golden ticket :D
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Got my tickets :D :D
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Got my tickets for the first two days also, haven’t seen anybody on social media saying they haven’t got tickets so not sure how many were sold originally
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This England batting line up looks very thin to me only Root and Pope have shown any consistency. Don’t like picking a team without a specialised spinner either
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Robinson finally breaks through. 58 for 1. Latham bowled for 23.
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The commentators gush at Wood's pace, but he's running along at 5 and a half an over, it's not good enough imo.
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Why is the over rate so slow in test cricket?
Watching the CC they easily get 32 overs in before lunch normally, only managed 25 today
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That's the biggie. Jimmy bowls Williamson!!
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If you ever have a family member go into sport or into the public spotlight, just make sure you get then to hire somebody to wipe their old social media.
While Ollie Robinson is having a great debut, some sad sap has gone through his Twitter account to pull up some racist tweets from when he was a teenager, which will now be the story tomorrow.
I think it's a shame when some people's first reaction is to try to dig up **** from when people were kids. Same thing happened to the vogue editor in the US a few months ago and of course Declan Rice with the IRA tweets amongst others.
Just delete your old social media!
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So after 17 months as a paid up Glamorgan member, all being well I finally get to see a days cricket tomorrow. It's a covid test event in Wales.
Lancashire the opposition - Jimmy's missing but Mahmood is looking good.
Jacko will no doubt post updates in the likely event of Lancs going well...otherwise I'll update on Friday ;)
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So after 17 months as a paid up Glamorgan member, all being well I finally get to see a days cricket tomorrow. It's a covid test event in Wales.
Lancashire the opposition - Jimmy's missing but Mahmood is looking good.
Jacko will no doubt post updates in the likely event of Lancs going well...otherwise I'll update on Friday ;)
Brilliant, not a member at Worcester so unfortunately can’t go there else I would have gone this weekend
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Sorry had to do a bit of work, seems we've snaffled Ross Taylor too.
Finely poised, another couple of wickets and it's England's day imo.
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Definitely the Black Caps day, England at least 2 wickets short today and if we don't make inroads tomorrow morning with this new ball could be out of contention to win this test by teatime. It looks a superb pitch to bat on, and a splendid innings from Conway on debut.
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NewZealand 500+ and England being 80 odd for 4 incoming :D
I am disappointed that Ian Smith isn’t on comms
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If you ever have a family member go into sport or into the public spotlight, just make sure you get then to hire somebody to wipe their old social media.
While Ollie Robinson is having a great debut, some sad sap has gone through his Twitter account to pull up some racist tweets from when he was a teenager, which will now be the story tomorrow.
I think it's a shame when some people's first reaction is to try to dig up **** from when people were kids. Same thing happened to the vogue editor in the US a few months ago and of course Declan Rice with the IRA tweets amongst others.
Just delete your old social media!
Or I've got a novel idea, don't say things that aren't great - no matter what you're age!
Was nice to watch some cricket again.
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Or I've got a novel idea, don't say things that aren't great - no matter what you're age!
Was nice to watch some cricket again.
Robinson’s clearly been a tit, but people aren’t mentally mature at that age. I doubt there are many people who could honestly look back a themselves as a teenager and really believe they haven’t made even mildly sexist or homophobic remarks at some point. I’m sure I have. You grow and become better as you get older, at least that’s the aim anyway.
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Not a very good spectacle. Only one batsman in form with the rest poor. A one man band that produced very poor music.
Conway 136[ the rest scored 110 which included Nicholls 46. I dozed off once or twice.
I had no complaints about our bowlers.
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Robinson’s clearly been a tit, but people aren’t mentally mature at that age. I doubt there are many people who could honestly look back a themselves as a teenager and really believe they haven’t made even mildly sexist or homophobic remarks at some point. I’m sure I have. You grow and become better as you get older, at least that’s the aim anyway.
Agree with this - the historic comments should be viewed from when they were taken. A naive, stupid and probably drunk 18 year old.
I said many a thing in my younger years that I would regret and be horrified about now. It’s called growing up. It would appear that Ollie Robinson has done a lot of growing up and is not the individual that those historic tweets suggest he is.
What a way for your test debut to be remembered.
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Got my tickets :D :D
Congratulations mate hope you have a great day! I didn't get mine☹
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A wicket at last. Wood has Nicholls out on the hook. We need a collapse though tbh.
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Watling goes cheap. Nicks off to Wood who is bowling a superb little spell. We need more of this from him.
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De Grandhomme gone LBW on review .Robinson and Wood trying to keepEngland in the game
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Wood gets Santner ;)
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Into the tail and you feel the pendulum had swung our way now
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That was a superb review.
We're notoriously bad at finishing off tails. Big hour now both sides of lunch. NZ will still be looking for 400+.
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Could hear on the stump mic somebody said it was pad first , most of the others seemed to think inside edge , like you said Jack great review !
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Some collapse this keep having to double check we aren't batting ;D
Jamieson caught at deep backward square leg hooking Robinson who now has 4 wickets.
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Momentum was heading our way after that collapse - New Zealand have let us off the hook really.
That being said, Neil Wagner batting beautifully for a #11. Some of the finest shots of the innings.
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The tail' s Wagnering ;D (stolen from twitter)
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Woeful this, happens every time. 30 odd for the 10th wicket...
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And in the real cricket Warwickshire are currently 116-4 against Derbyshire. Sam Conners has taken all four wickets.
Massive game really with Notts having to face Essex.
Pieter Malan went for a duck - our overseas players have been a massive disappointment to be honest.
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Woeful this, happens every time. 30 odd for the 10th wicket...
I wouldn't be adverse to see Devon Conway get to 200.. it has been an excellent innings - even better when you consider its his debut.
Get him out for 201. ;D
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And in the real cricket Warwickshire are currently 116-4 against Derbyshire. Sam Conners has taken all four wickets.
Massive game really with Notts having to face Essex.
Pieter Malan went for a duck - our overseas players have been a massive disappointment to be honest.
Less said about the minefield down in South Wales the better...
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Bringing up your 200 with a 6...
Well played that man.. Absolutely excellent.
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Less said about the minefield down in South Wales the better...
Its not looking much better for Leeiswba either ;D
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All over with a run out.. Joe Root made that harder than it should have been ;D
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Run out. Despite a good day for England, they've got about 40 too many out of the tail.
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I wouldn't be adverse to see Devon Conway get to 200.. it has been an excellent innings - even better when you consider its his debut.
Get him out for 201. ;D
Near enough got your wish
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Near enough got your wish
I'll have a go on the Euromillions tomorrow :D
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Bloody harsh that umpire review but it looked stonewall on first viewing.
Sibley gone for 0.
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Surely this series is Sibley's last chance? Constant poor scores, averaging 30.
He has had long enough now.
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Its not looking much better for Leeiswba either ;D
If Libby doesn’t have a decent innings then we struggle really, Haynes out injured as well.
Roderick & Fell in the middle order just walking wickets.
We didn’t start the season too badly but except for last week it’s been pretty poor
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16 wickets have gone down at Cardiff today and Lancs total of 170 odd looks a decent hit.
Dreadful cricket pitch.
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16 wickets have gone down at Cardiff today and Lancs total of 170 odd looks a decent hit.
Dreadful cricket pitch.
There won’t be many batting points on offer put it that way :D
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So 19 wickets on the Welsh minefield. I was one of the huge crowd of 232 for the covid test day. Must have been 1 steward for every 5 spectators and 7 Welsh government officials observing the operation.
I was sat fairly square of the wicket so not in the best position to judge what the ball was doing. From what I saw the ball was clearly doing plenty but no great inconsistency in bounce - not a minefield. No batsmen getting rapped on the gloves or hit or anything. The standard of bowling from both sides was far better than the batting on the day.
Hopefully the Aussie last wicket partnership can get us a bit closer in the morning. Michael Hogan picked up his 400th wicket for Glamorgan at the age of 40 and has signed on for another year.
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******* down at Lords and looks set to continue most of the day. In better news Lancs have wrapped up Glamorgan in just 2 balls this morning, a 1st innings lead of 23. Match finely poised and if wickets tumble like yesterday could be all over today.
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Typical summers day at Lords.
Derbyshire currently 83-4. Bears bowled out for 274. Gutted we missed out on that third batting point as its a very tight group. Craig Miles with three of the wickets who has been excellent this morning.
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Another pathetic bowling display by the Pears, except for Tongue it’s just 75mph dross. Not troubling anyone. ???
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Lancs have lost 5 for 19 (nothing wrong with the pitch though 🙄) and currently have a lead of 150. Could do with wagging another 50 out of the tail.
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Typical summers day at Lords.
Derbyshire currently 83-4. Bears bowled out for 274. Gutted we missed out on that third batting point as its a very tight group. Craig Miles with three of the wickets who has been excellent this morning.
They're now 98-7 ;D
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Lancs have lost 5 for 19 (nothing wrong with the pitch though 🙄) and currently have a lead of 150. Could do with wagging another 50 out of the tail.
The match will be finished by 5 ;D
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Could David Bedingham of Durham have a chance of playing for England? Can’t now play for South Africa due to the Kolpak qualification which I don’t really get.
Averages 47 in FC cricket and been brilliant this season.
Not sure what you have to do to qualify for England these days but playing a few years normally does it don’t it
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Lancs have lost 5 for 19 (nothing wrong with the pitch though 🙄) and currently have a lead of 150. Could do with wagging another 50 out of the tail.
Lancs still slight favourites though I think.
Hogan's view of the pitch - granted he's an Aussie seamer '"There were a number of reasons for 19 wickets falling, some good bowling, shot selection was a bit of an issue at times and the odd ball nips around a bit, but it's a nice wicket so 19 in a day is interesting.
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Bears finish 132/7 with a lead of 285.. slightly deflating after a good day as we should have batted Derbyshire out of this but the pessimistic side of me thinks this might be chase able with two days to go. Need Briggs to hopefully take us beyond 300.
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Warwickshire all out for 155. Derbyshire need 309 to win
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England’s brittle middle order is back again ::)
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England’s brittle middle order is back again ::)
Goes well with our brittle top order ;)
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Christ, just turned it on...! :o
Am I right in thinking the IPL players can't be a part of this series?
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Christ, just turned it on...! :o
Am I right in thinking the IPL players can't be a part of this series?
You are correct.
Goes well with our brittle top order ;)
Less said about them the better...
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Warwickshire all out for 155. Derbyshire need 309 to win
Warwickshire breeze to victory :D :D
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Glamorgan continued their improved form this season with a good 4th innings batting display to beat Lancs by 6 wickets.
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Glamorgan continued their improved form this season with a good 4th innings batting display to beat Lancs by 6 wickets.
Indeed, an excellent win for Glamorgan and their groundsman who deservedly wins MOTM.
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Indeed, an excellent win for Glamorgan and their groundsman who deservedly wins MOTM.
The Lancashire attack should have been good enough to make Glamorgan work harder if the pitch was really that bad.
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Crawley gets two 2's. Just like Sibley, he is surely playing for his future now.
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England came in for some criticism but I am not sure what people expected - there was no way this brittle, inexperienced, out of form line up was going to go chasing 270 odd.
I don’t think Crawley looks a test match number three - it’s certainly another issue to contend with given the recent struggles of Burns and Sibley.
As mind numbing it might have been, I hope Sibley has made the most of that time in the middle as he did come into the series under cooked following his injury some weeks ago.
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to be honest I quite like the fact that we didn't go all gungho, test cricket sometimes demands grinding out a result, and over recent years there have been a few occasions where we went for it when a more circumspect approach would have yeilded better results,
results versus entertainment always a dilemma whatever the sport ?
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Ollie Robinson has been suspended from international cricket.
The suspension was always inevitable but i do think it’s harsh that he’s been banned on the basis of some naive, unacceptable tweets from 10 years ago. I could understand if these tweets were recent but he was still a teenager at the time. He’s grown up, apologised, admitted they’re unacceptable and that should have been the end of it.
This is nothing more than the ECB trying to save face after the recent embarrassment
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Ollie Robinson has been suspended from international cricket.
The suspension was always inevitable but i do think it’s harsh that he’s been banned on the basis of some naive, unacceptable tweets from 10 years ago. I could understand if these tweets were recent but he was still a teenager at the time. He’s grown up, apologised, admitted they’re unacceptable and that should have been the end of it.
This is nothing more than the ECB trying to save face after the recent embarrassment
Who on earth went that far back into his social media history just to stir up trouble for him? And why? My money is on a red top journalist
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Why, when you become a professional/ house hold name, do you not delete your old social media accounts or at least all the content!?! He had to be punished in the end as the ECB couldn't be seen to ignore it. but you've got to feel for the lad, day 1 of a great debut and its remembered for all the wrong reasons!
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Crawley gets two 2's. Just like Sibley, he is surely playing for his future now.
Zak plays for my home county of Kent and is finding out just what a big step County level is to Test level.
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Who on earth went that far back into his social media history just to stir up trouble for him? And why? My money is on a red top journalist
It was a random on twitter, quite a few things have been dug up since trying to implicate more players, including Morgan, Butler and a couple of others.
I have sympathy with the ECB, they have to be seen to be doing something. The FA when under pressure have also done the same thing with historic tweets, look at Andre Gray's homophobic and colourist tweets that came to light a few years ago.
There are those in the game like Michael Carberry who feel Robinson should never be allowed to play pro cricket again so you can see the pressure they will be under now (I'm sure Carberry has similarly "no rehabilitation" views about other offences, I'd dread to think what he thought of Andre Gray's horrendous homophobic tweets he made as a teen).
Personally I don't think punishment is the way to go. The ECB need to investigate and Robinson should be looking at education programmes really, there are some really good ones out there that are quite powerful that I know have been used by forward thinking forces like our own local police.
Instead, I think many would love to see a lengthy ban as a show of strength. The same people will have defund the police in their Twitter handle - the movement with rehab as one of it's core principles.
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Edgbaston looking beautiful with crowds.
Olly Stone replaces Ollie Robinson.
Kane Williamson misses out with injury for New Zealand
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The last time an England opening partnership made lunch without the loss of a wicket, Man City still hadn't won their first prem title.
Good start.
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The last time an England opening partnership made lunch without the loss of a wicket, Man City still hadn't won their first prem title.
Good start.
Wow, what a stat! Love it.
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The last time an England opening partnership made lunch without the loss of a wicket, Man City still hadn't won their first prem title.
Good start.
Not gone to well after lunch mind..
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Not gone to well after lunch mind..
In the innings referenced Cook got out straight after lunch. ;D
Crawley needs to drop down or spend some time out of the team.
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England’s batting looking very thin . Desperately need to sort out the top order . Obviously Stokes and Buttler will strengthen the team indeed Buttler May have to play as specialist batsman but it’s madness we have the possibility of Wood batting at 8
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Root gone cheaply for 4 now.
Crawley does not look comfortable at number three - he looks a dead man walking at the moment.
Pope, Lawrence and Bracey to come... our batting looks wafer thin.
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It's really hard to have any faith in Pope, Crawley and Sibley. None of them get scores when you need them to.
Burns, Lawrence and Bracey all need big scores to avoid us falling for less than 300.
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Pope has gone for 19 too.
This side really does miss Ben Stokes - the fact Mark Wood is coming in at 8 demonstrates the lack of depth within this increasingly fragile batting line up.
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England for whatever reason have lost any ability to produce a good test batsmen, Root is the only player to debut after 2009 to average over 40 (having played more than 3 games). Even averaging over 35 there is only 3 players on that list - Root, Stokes, and Ballance. No player to debut after 2014 has averaged over 35.
People will blame T20 and such but its not stopped other countries producing decent, even great batsmen. The NZ team usually has at least 4 players averaging over 40. Six or seven averaging over 35. India is a list of batsmen averaging over 40, Pakistan have most their batsmen averaging over 40, Australia have their batting issues but still have Warner, Labusachagne, and Smith all have big averages.
It's not a selection issue, looking at the county level its a quality issue. There's just no good batsmen produced anymore. Worse even than the 90's. Clearly its a development issue. It says it all Crawley - who averages 32 in first class cricket is a feature of the side.
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A lot of clammer for James Bracey to get a call up after his excellent county form - he has 2 ducks in 2 innings.
The ECB have given up on cricket in working class schools - our batsmen come from private schools and middle class villages in the main now. Working class areas produce a few fast bowlers and that's it. The only working class batsmen you get are from the Asian community who are fighting to keep it alive.
It will only get worse.
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The coaching needs looking at . 5 of the top 7 are unorthodox to the point of having major technical deficiencies . Only Root and to a lesser extent Pope are what you’d call correct batsmen , also arguably the best in terms of likelihood of getting runs . Burns is managing his technique but was dropped recently the others are finding it tough
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The coaching needs looking at . 5 of the top 7 are unorthodox to the point of having major technical deficiencies . Only Root and to a lesser extent Pope are what you’d call correct batsmen , also arguably the best in terms of likelihood of getting runs . Burns is managing his technique but was dropped recently the others are finding it tough
Don't think idiosyncrasies are an issue. Doesn't bother Steve Smith. Sometimes you just have to accept they're not good enough and it's mostly the mental side of test batting that lets them down imo.
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Smith is one in his side also when he plays defensively the bat comes down much straighter than any of these , for a whole group to have got this far together , and to have same weaknesses say something is wrong . I do agree to an extent about the mental side but it’s looking like the step up to Test level is beyond these.
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Very important 50 for the fledgling career of Dan Lawrence. Doesn't look convincing but it's runs that count.
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It has been very streaky. 2 fours in 2 balls - one where he tried to leave it and one where he played a straight bat defence. Also a swing and a miss that sailed past the bat. He never looks overly convincing (even at Essex from the reports I've read this year) but he does get runs - and crucial runs they are.
Might make 300 to keep it possible but we are so far behind where we need to be it's extraordinary.
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The make up of this side just doesn’t seem right . The balance is all wrong with either Stone or Wood having to bat at 8 ( both have done well ) and no seamer just to block an end , all the quicks are attacking types .Perhaps somebody like Sam Curran should have been the 4 th seamer as he would have given a bit more variety as well as strengthened the batting . To win the toss and bat at Edgbaston then not include a slow bowler despite having two in the squad again seems like muddled thinking the more so if the weather forecast proves accurate
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Found it a bit weird we chose to bat in overcast conditions when the weekend is sunny. There will have been a good reason I’m sure but found it strange.
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Mark Wood has got the long handle out this morning !
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Ooooooppps ;D ;D
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Feel like Crawley caught that. Need to get rid of Conway.
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As feared this bowling attack looks very one dimensional . It’s all looks a bit to easy to play against
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As feared this bowling attack looks very one dimensional . It’s all looks a bit to easy to play against
Anderson and Broad have bowled without luck really. Wood has clearly got a niggle, but yes Stone is straight up and down. A spinner or a left armer even would make more sense.
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Another batting masterclass from England.. ::)
60-5..
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There are only 3 serious test cricket sides nowadays - we aren't one of them. The ashes will be a white wash this winter.
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As I said earlier it is hard to believe how some of this lot got this far with the techniques they have
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They can’t bat abroad, they can’t bat at home..
A very average bunch of cricketers.
Nasser Hussain was seething at the end. Will be worth watching the opening segments tomorrow
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They’ve got most things wrong this game including selection , choosing to bat first in the conditions and with much better weather forecast ,
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I am going to put this out here as i do not know. I am 61 and i left school when i was 16.
Do they still teach Cricket at secondary schools? they did when when i was there. It seems to me too many posh boys with no hunger playing for England. If i am wrong please tell me as i have no problem with that.
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In the majority they don't, no. A lot of it is down to teachers of yester year being prepared to give up their evenings to take the school sides to play other schools and the availability of playing fields, but both are in short supply now for different reasons. It's also got more expensive so schools seem to have given up on it and the ECB don't seem to see grass roots development in traditionally working class areas as a priority.
I'd disagree that the current side don't have hunger, many privatly educated students represent us very well in the Olympics and in Rugby Union, but it's too small a talent pool.
It's the ECB who should be blamed.
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I am going to put this out here as i do not know. I am 61 and i left school when i was 16.
Do they still teach Cricket at secondary schools? they did when when i was there. It seems to me too many posh boys with no hunger playing for England. If i am wrong please tell me as i have no problem with that.
Not really - if they do teach it then there’s no skill that is taught - it’s more like a game of jumpers for goalposts.
Our initial cricket upbringing consisted of our teacher throwing some balls down a concrete pitch for us to smash. Aside from two batsman everybody was bored and not involved. It didn’t help that the batsmen within our session were very good.
We eventually got our school to take it more seriously - my school was heavily populated with Asians and our preference was cricket rather than athletics. At that point we would do more cricket sessions both inside and outside the school and created our own side to play around the leagues.
Our level of coaching was poor and never one to improve skills - you kind of taught yourself.
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Was somebody here going to Edgbaston today?! I’m sorry if so. What a shambolic performance.
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Was somebody here going to Edgbaston today?! I’m sorry if so. What a shambolic performance.
Got a friend who is there - they're showing the Football on the big screens so not all bad. But if you wanted to watch some cricket, then yeah, you'd be very annoyed
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Middlesex and Hampshire will be interesting to keep an eye on today. Joshua De Caires make a his first class debut for Middlesex, opening the batting at some point either today or tomorrow weather permitting.
He is supposed to be decent and still a teenager, but the main point of interest is that he is the son of Mike Atherton.
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Jimmy Anderson has ripped through Kent top order currently returning figures of 6 overs 4 maidens 4 wickets for 3 runs. 17/4.
Edit. Now has 5 for 3 and that's 1000 first class wickets. What a player.
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Fun bit of trivia - no cheating. Can anyone guess his 1st first class wicket?
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Fun bit of trivia - no cheating. Can anyone guess his 1st first class wicket?
He's mentioned it a few times in his presenting gig on Sky.
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Has he? Ahh well, makes sense. Saw it on a cricket blog today, first I’d heard of it.
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Tendulkar?
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Has he? Ahh well, makes sense. Saw it on a cricket blog today, first I’d heard of it.
Been to check it now, he also despatched Carberry, Clarke and Ramprakash in the same game. Not bad on debut. All 4 scalps England internationals.
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Tendulkar?
No.
As Jacko day's, an ex England international.
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No.
As Jacko day's, an ex England international.
Alec Stewart?
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Fun bit of trivia - no cheating. Can anyone guess his 1st first class wicket?
chris broad
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Less said about the Warwickshire collapse this evening the better..
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Not Broad or Stewart.
Think Sky Sports.
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Nasser Hussain ?
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Nasser Hussain ?
Ian Ward
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The entire one day team has been changed due to a covid outbreak.
Ben Stokes to captain the side against Pakistan
Ben Stokes (Durham, captain), Jake Ball (Nottinghamshire), Danny Briggs (Warwickshire), Brydon Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Lewis Gregory (Somerset), Tom Helm (Middlesex), Will Jacks (Surrey), Dan Lawrence (Essex), Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire), Dawid Malan (Yorkshire), Craig Overton (Somerset), Matt Parkinson (Lancashire), David Payne (Gloucestershire), Phil Salt (Sussex), John Simpson (Middlesex), James Vince (Hampshire).
Sam Hain who averages nigh on 60 has not been included. Utter joke ::) ::)
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Also confirms Alex Hales mid term international career is over.
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They'll be thankful that they are able to bring Ben Stokes in. Questions could have been asked and may still be about the price of the tickets and the fact that some people especially kids will not be excited by the prospect of watching that 2nd string line up...even though it may well be competitive.
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I have tickets for Tuesday at Edgbaston and they were £77, obviously still go and enjoy it but not sure I would have paid £77 at the time I knew this would have happened
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Let's be honest it's a total farce. Healthy young men competing in a non contact sport on a massive outdoor field.
Absolutely unnecessary.
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Ian Ward
Sorry, missed this. Yes, Sky Sports own Ian Ward.
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Excellent start for Saqid Mahmood - three early wickets to leave Pakistan at 38-4
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They'll be thankful that they are able to bring Ben Stokes in. Questions could have been asked and may still be about the price of the tickets and the fact that some people especially kids will not be excited by the prospect of watching that 2nd string line up...even though it may well be competitive.
Very much not that competitive so far! How bad are Pakistan to get thumped by our 2nd /3rd string?
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England have picked their County Select XI to face India in a warm up at Durham next Tuesday.
Will Rhodes (C)
Rehan Ahmed
Tom Aspinwell
Ethan Bamber
James Bracey
Jack Carson
Zak Chappell
Haseeb Hameed
Lyndon James
Jake Libby
Craig Miles
Liam Patterson-White
James Rew
Rob Yates
I’m guessing Critchley hasn’t been picked due to needing to play in the shorter format games for his county, although I’m a bit surprised to see no Virdi.
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England have picked their County Select XI to face India in a warm up at Durham next Tuesday.
Will Rhodes (C)
Rehan Ahmed
Tom Aspinwell
Ethan Bamber
James Bracey
Jack Carson
Zak Chappell
Haseeb Hameed
Lyndon James
Jake Libby
Craig Miles
Liam Patterson-White
James Rew
Rob Yates
I’m guessing Critchley hasn’t been picked due to needing to play in the shorter format games for his county, although I’m a bit surprised to see no Virdi.
Looks like a very shallow pool with the County limited overs games being played.
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A couple of names in there have been getting good reviews- Rhodes, Libby, Hameed and Bracey, but I'm taking it that Rehan Ahmed is the 16 year old spinner? He hasn't played first class for Leicester this season has he?
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Hope the Royal London Cup doesn’t get postponed, was looking at getting at most of Worcestershire’s matches but talk of it now being postponed due to rising Covid cases & also county teams losing more players than expected to this farce ‘The Hundred’. Not even the end of July and the season could be basically over for most counties except for a few dead rubber County Championship matches if they are not in the top group of the second part of that.
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Lost our first twenty twenty vs Pakistan at Trent Bridge, albeit with an experimental side. Liam Livingstone hit a century however we were bowled out in the final over while Azam and Rizwan were too good with the bat.
Morgan is a great captain, but is only a domestic level batsmen now. This World Cup needs to be his last.
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Lost our first twenty twenty vs Pakistan at Trent Bridge, albeit with an experimental side. Liam Livingstone hit a century however we were bowled out in the final over while Azam and Rizwan were too good with the bat.
Morgan is a great captain, but is only a domestic level batsmen now. This World Cup needs to be his last.
Some statement that, averages 40 in ODIs and 30 in T20I. Definitely not the problem with England limited overs cricket.
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His career averages are great - he is arguably one of England’s best limited overs cricketers ever and probably our best limited overs captain, but when did he last have a good score? What’s his 2020 and 2021 averages? He was having a poor IPL this year with the bat as well and turns 35 in 2 months time.
He deserves this world,cup, but does he merit a place after that?
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He’s having a poor 2021 so far - he will concede that. Think he is averaging around 11. It is not helped when you see Liam Livingstone and James Vince performing so well.
His averages across 2020 and 2019 are impressive and are only bettered by Dawid Malan and Jos Buttler.
For context
2019 - average: 47 (9). Strike rate: 173
2020 - average: 35. (10). Strike rate: 168
2021 - average: 10. (6) Strike rate: 109
His performances in 2019 and 2020 out performed his career averages/strike rate with the bat.
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Cheers Liam, can’t find a website that breaks it down year by year.
I didn’t realise his 2020 figures were as decent as they are, but knew he was struggling this year for both club and country.
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Cheers Liam, can’t find a website that breaks it down year by year.
I didn’t realise his 2020 figures were as decent as they are, but knew he was struggling this year for both club and country.
I use cricinfo buddy. Their stat coverage on there is second to none. Very informative across a range of areas.
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Second T20 today - Buttler replaces Eoin Morgan and will open. Malan at three. ChrisnJordan replaces Sam Curran.
England to bat first.
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Impressed by the spin bowling - and the decision to go with 3 spinners in England. Wrist spinners are invaluable in twenty/20 it seems.
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Has anyone ever seen a six go as far as Liam Livingstones hit earlier?
He’s going to be a invaluable option going forward when you throw in his bowling too
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Rapids lose last 2 T20 games and miss out on the quarter finals and it’s the Bears who go through :-\
Mid July and the season is pretty much done for Worcestershire; out of t20, group 3 of the second part of the County Championship & now just the Royal London Cup which will hardly contain any first team players for most counties. ECB are killing the county game!
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Carlos Braithwaite was back to his best earlier - a great cameo at the end which took the game behind Northants.
Inglis was absolutely superb for the Foxes though - great batting.
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On the brightside, "one to watch" Tom Lammonby finally put together a good innings in 2021 😂. He hit 90 runs in 36 balls, in what one regional journo called "possibly the best inning I've ever seen at Somerset". A shame the rest of his season has been so underwhelming.
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Rapids lose last 2 T20 games and miss out on the quarter finals and it’s the Bears who go through :-\
Mid July and the season is pretty much done for Worcestershire; out of t20, group 3 of the second part of the County Championship & now just the Royal London Cup which will hardly contain any first team players for most counties. ECB are killing the county game!
Seems like even more of a farce now so many overseas players are pulling out the hundred, meaning more county players are being called up to the hundred, leaving royal london cup squads even smaller.
Most counties will struggle to put a side out! It could end up being cancelled altogether, as they obviously won't cancel the hundred (which they should until next year again)
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Is anyone remotely interested in The Hundred?
I'd heard that some grounds were practically giving away the tickets
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Is anyone remotely interested in The Hundred?
I'd heard that some grounds were practically giving away the tickets
It’s an abomination, disgraceful to even mention it in relation to cricket. T20 is bad enough, really horrible actually, but this ‘hundred’ is just nonsense. Also, there are no batsmen anymore, they are now referred to as ‘batters’. Cricket is being ruined.
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The other thing to mention is some of the ridiculous team set ups
Liam Livingstone playing for Birmingham - despite his career for Lancs
Sam Hain playing for Manchester - despite his career for Warwickshire
Jonny Bairstow playing for Welsh fire - despite a career in Yorkshire
Joe Root for Trent?
The more I look at it the more it puts me off
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The other thing to mention is some of the ridiculous team set ups
Liam Livingstone playing for Birmingham - despite his career for Lancs
Sam Hain playing for Manchester - despite his career for Warwickshire
Jonny Bairstow playing for Welsh fire - despite a career in Yorkshire
Joe Root for Trent?
The more I look at it the more it puts me off
Is that because of the draft element, Liam, or were those players the English stars that weren't in the draft?
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Just don’t see why it’s needed when we already have the T20. Add to that it just encourages franchise sport something that is a big no no for me
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Is that because of the draft element, Liam, or were those players the English stars that weren't in the draft?
It was within the draft element
Some of those on England contracts had no choice really as they had to be assigned to one of the sides
But I still find it absolutely daft
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It’s a day of Minor counties facing full first class counties today, but my favourite one is seeing the legendary Gary Pratt scoring 35 for Cumbria vs Lancashire. I’m happy to report he did get a wicket in the field as well ;D
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England have picked their County Select XI to face India in a warm up at Durham next Tuesday.
Will Rhodes (C)
Rehan Ahmed
Tom Aspinwell
Ethan Bamber
James Bracey
Jack Carson
Zak Chappell
Haseeb Hameed
Lyndon James
Jake Libby
Craig Miles
Liam Patterson-White
James Rew
Rob Yates
I’m guessing Critchley hasn’t been picked due to needing to play in the shorter format games for his county, although I’m a bit surprised to see no Virdi.
Bracey no longer in the team, with a few other changes.
When Jacko said itbwas a shallow pool, he wasn't lying. We have replaced him with...Washington Sundar!
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How good was that T20 last night?
One of the most important shots was from Livingstone again and he only lasted 2 balls!!! but that 6 off his first one was huge, and much needed as nerves had proper kicked in but it helped us to see the match out......just!
Good to see Roy hit some form too
Great atmosphere, and great game all round!
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Bracey no longer in the team, with a few other changes.
When Jacko said itbwas a shallow pool, he wasn't lying. We have replaced him with...Washington Sundar!
I just wonder if that was at the request of the Indians to give him better practice than nets ?
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Bracey no longer in the team, with a few other changes.
When Jacko said itbwas a shallow pool, he wasn't lying. We have replaced him with...Washington Sundar!
Warwickshire's Craig Miles took 4-45 as India were bowled out for 311.
I just wonder if that was at the request of the Indians to give him better practice than nets ?
If I was him I'd get back to the nets as he's only lasted 7 deliveries. :D
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Anyone watching the Hundred? I had it on Sky but then realised it was in the BBC as well so have switched over to see how the terrestrial coverage is handled.
In other news, super Haseeb Hameed scored 112 vs India - he just loves playing them. Crawley and Sibley will be shuffling nervously at the moment knowing he's in reserve.
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I really think that talk of ‘The Hundred’ and T20 should have a different thread, neither are cricket, both resemble that horrible baseball from the USA more than cricket. Baseball, rounders by another name, a game for American fatties.
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Anyone watching the Hundred? I had it on Sky but then realised it was in the BBC as well so have switched over to see how the terrestrial coverage is handled.
In other news, super Haseeb Hameed scored 112 vs India - he just loves playing them. Crawley and Sibley will be shuffling nervously at the moment knowing he's in reserve.
Even better when you consider the strength of the Indian attack..
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Baseball is a very skillful sport. The batters hit a ball quite often further than a cricket batsman hits a cricket ball. If you have never watched a game then your comment is unfair.
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Baseball is a very skillful sport. The batters hit a ball quite often further than a cricket batsman hits a cricket ball. If you have never watched a game then your comment is unfair.
No expert but I’d say Baseball is a lot easier to hit.
No seam movement or spin off the deck etc - just as full tosses in cricket are a lot easier to hit compared to a normal delivery
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Have to say I enjoyed the Hundred game. Two evenly matched teams and went right to the wire, so, entertainment wise, it was good value.
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No expert but I’d say Baseball is a lot easier to hit.
No seam movement or spin off the deck etc - just as full tosses in cricket are a lot easier to hit compared to a normal delivery
I'm not sure I agree on that. In cricket, you get scores of 200 in a twenty twenty game, while in baseball you get scores of 3-2 and 4-2. Pitchers aim for something called a "no-hitter", which basically means you don't get hit at all. No bowler in cricket would have a few overs without a batsmen making contact with the ball.
Cricket is more enjoyable but it's tougher to hit a baseball with the much smaller bats and the ball coming quicker at you.
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I'm not sure I agree on that. In cricket, you get scores of 200 in a twenty twenty game, while in baseball you get scores of 3-2 and 4-2. Pitchers aim for something called a "no-hitter", which basically means you don't get hit at all. No bowler in cricket would have a few overs without a batsmen making contact with the ball.
Cricket is more enjoyable but it's tougher to hit a baseball with the much smaller bats and the ball coming quicker at you.
i dont get how swinging and missing is entertaining though, its a bit like going to a shadow boxing match or a game of foot (no ball) to me.
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I don't claim to be a baseball aficionado, but I don't really think they are comparable.
From what I do know, pitchers in baseball seem to have been getting the upper hand over the past few years, whereas cricket has become more batsman dominated. Also the fact that an "at-bat" for a single player in baseball can only last a certain number of balls (excluding foul balls), then you just have a very different dynamic.
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I take it that everyone's boycotting the Hundred as I've seen nothing said of the Birmingham games today? :o
The women were meant to be one of the stronger sides but lost at home. The men have however kept the cockneys to an achievable total.
Waiting to see what Ali and Livingstone can do.
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With regards the hundred I’ve been wondering how the monies are distributed as in what do the first class counties get out of it ? Have seen today for example Lancashire playing at Sedbergh school (no me neither ) presumably because OT will be needed by the hundred
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That might explain why Lancashire had a friendly with Cumbria there last week (it's one of Cumbria's grounds). Not sure why rhe game wasn't played in Liverpool really, or somewhere similar, rather than in Cumbria
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leis WBA. I can assure you a baseball pitcher certainly does make the ball move in the air just as a cricket bowler uses the seam and his fingers.
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I take it that everyone's boycotting the Hundred as I've seen nothing said of the Birmingham games today? :o
The women were meant to be one of the stronger sides but lost at home. The men have however kept the cockneys to an achievable total.
Waiting to see what Ali and Livingstone can do.
No boycott from me - despite my original scepticism I’ve found the games entertaining.
I missed the Birmingham games last night but Chris Benjamin kept up his good form
Will look at going to one of the games at Edgbaston
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Is it just me or are the Birmingham team light on "star" players? I look at some of these teams and they are packed full of England caps and other top franchise cricketers but the Birmingham side has a distinctly county cricket feel.
Hasn't hurt them so far I guess.
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Is it just me or are the Birmingham team light on "star" players? I look at some of these teams and they are packed full of England caps and other top franchise cricketers but the Birmingham side has a distinctly county cricket feel.
Hasn't hurt them so far I guess.
I guess Moeen is considered the star. Not a household figure but effective with bat and ball
Some of the England lads disappear next week for their training camp at Loughborough so we won’t see much of Buttler, Stokes, Root, Wood, Crawley etc..
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Good start (again) for England.
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Good start (again) for England.
No red ball cricket for 2 months really, think there was just one round of fixtures couple of weeeks ago but not sure how many of these players played. First red ball match of the summer for a few players as well.
Sums up where the ECBs priorities lie, awful prep for one of the best teams in the world
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Shocking from England today.
On one hand Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Bairstow, Lawrence should never play test cricket again.
On the other hand who the hell is scoring the runs in county cricket and making a case to replace them?
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After my initial moaning, I went to Edgbaston tonight to watch Birmingham Phoenix against the Oval Invincibles.
What a fantastic evening - by far and away one of my best cricketing experiences. Good atmosphere, largely helped by a stellar performance from Will Smeed and Moeen Ali.
It also meant I missed the test cricket which was an added bonus.
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Shocking from England today.
On one hand Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Bairstow, Lawrence should never play test cricket again.
On the other hand who the hell is scoring the runs in county cricket and making a case to replace them?
The Bairstow situation says it all really. Dropped for not scoring heavily enough over a period mainly due to technical deficiencies. He goes off plays a load of T20 and ODI cricket, gets a recall and the same technical issues continue. If he gets a couple of decent bowlers probing around middle and off he's struggling big time.
At least Burns had a half decent series against NZ so he's bought himself some more time for now. Crawley plays some nice shots but now averages under 30 despite having a highest score of 267 in there.
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Not a massive fan of Burns but he had an ok series against NZ and get done yesterday by superb bit of bowling that any batsman would have probably been done by when you look at the previous balls he was bowled
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After my initial moaning, I went to Edgbaston tonight to watch Birmingham Phoenix against the Oval Invincibles.
What a fantastic evening - by far and away one of my best cricketing experiences. Good atmosphere, largely helped by a stellar performance from Will Smeed and Moeen Ali.
It also meant I missed the test cricket which was an added bonus.
I was there too mate and agree wholeheartedly. Fantastic atmosphere, loads of kids and families, game flowed brilliantly and a great performance by both sides.
You have to love Will Smeed at the minute.
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Was also there last night and was first hundred match i've been to. Was pleasantly surprised by the whole experience.
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Moeen Ali 👏👏👏👏
This hundred marlarkey is fine providing Birmingham Phoenix keep winning :D
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Moeen Ali 👏👏👏👏
This hundred marlarkey is fine providing Birmingham Phoenix keep winning :D
Rumours Ali could be called up to second test so that will hurt them
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Rumours Ali could be called up to second test so that will hurt them
I’d boycott them if I was him.
The way they’ve treated him and Woakes over the last few years has been rubbish.
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I’d boycott them if I was him.
The way they’ve treated him and Woakes over the last few years has been rubbish.
Hasn’t been great has it but he does have a ECB central contract so the ECB are paying his salary in full so no choice really.
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From the Welsh fire side of things....missing Bairstow big time but other sides have similar issues. Banton needed to be a big player but is having a nightmare.
I haven't been to a game yet, nor have I any great urge to go to be honest. I'm watching Glamorgan in the Royal London doing pretty well against teams severely weakened by the hundred and test call ups.
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Heard you're getting Luke Fletcher, Adder. He's done well at Notts for years
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Heard you're getting Luke Fletcher, Adder. He's done well at Notts for years
He was excellent last night, too
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Heard you're getting Luke Fletcher, Adder. He's done well at Notts for years
Ah right yes he is useful as you both say - come back well after that horrendous head blow he had.
Strange the way this works, does well for Birmingham against Welsh fire and next thing he's switched sides.
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Ah right yes he is useful as you both say - come back well after that horrendous head blow he had.
Strange the way this works, does well for Birmingham against Welsh fire and next thing he's switched sides.
What are you talking about Adder, he was already playing for Welsh fire in that game - shows how much attention I'm giving it :-[
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I’ll be honest with you I hated the idea of the Hundred and I still do but it has been a decent watch when after something to watch on an evening.
The big problem for English cricket is that the short formats take precedent and first class and 50 over cricket has pretty much been abandoned.
Test cricket requires the most skill and to me it’s the most serious side of cricket and we just aren’t producing batsmen good enough to play it as far as I can see. You can’t really blame the players either I’m sure youngsters will look at the ‘glam’ of the Hundred and T20 franchise leagues around the world with the money on offer and learn to play like that instead of playing in front of 400 people in March and April in the county championship
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Just watched the 100 on BBC tv. This is exciting.
Have to say, that it is more exciting than watching football.
A game of DEATH !
It can swing in an instant.
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Is it possible to clone James Anderson?
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Is it possible to clone James Anderson?
We're lucky he's an absolute machine. Still got 3 or 4 more years in him.
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Must be close to the end for Sibley. Woeful dismissal again.
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Golden duck for Hameed missed a straight full ball. No movement whatsoever.
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Must be close to the end for Sibley. Woeful dismissal again.
He's only in the team because of the lack of available options.
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Might be biased but give Jake Libby a go at Worcester, can’t do much worse than these
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Commentators said we needed to stop chop and changing and just give somebody a long run. We've done that with Sibley and Crawley and they haven't got any better.
Hameed was poor but hopefully he readjusts, I'd also give Bracey another go at some point.
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Fascinating game developing at Lord's. You'd think England are on top, but Pujara has the ability to absorb balls, and the likes of Pant and Jadeja came be very damaging.
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Looks like it depends on Pant in the morning. Get rid of him quickly and England should win but if he get's a quick 50 it could get interesting.
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These 2 are getting a bit stubborn here
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This Bumrah and Shami partnership is really beginning to pee me.
Match drawn now.
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This Bumrah and Shami partnership is really beginning to pee me.
Match drawn now.
You've got more faith in our batting than me tbh.
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I'm still hoping India don't declare and instead allow Shami and Bumrah to go for landmark scores, but if they do declare I'd still be confident we could see the march out to a draw.
Poor series for us so far though, Root's batting aside.
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You've got more faith in our batting than me tbh.
I'm hopeful that not even us will be able to be skittled in a session when saving a test ;D
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India have declared - lead of 271.
England aren't going for this with their brittle bating line up.
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Buttler has ran off first - maybe they'll go for it??
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I'm hopeful that not even us will be able to be skittled in a session when saving a test ;D
On second thoughts..
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On second thoughts..
1 for 2 now :o :o
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You'd have to hope that is the end in test cricket for Burns and Sibley.
If only there were two openers we could pick instead...
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You'd have to hope that is the end in test cricket for Burns and Sibley.
If only there were two openers we could pick instead...
That's the sad thing Dave!
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That's the sad thing Dave!
Do you go back to Roy, Jennings, Hales (although there is no way the ECB pick him), Lyth even.
Hameed can potentially open the batting but then what do you do at 3, the answer isn't Crawley, Malan? Bairstow I think has the raw ability but not technically sound enough at 3, it's 5 or 6 and he keeps if he wants a spot in the team.
It's a complete mess.
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Hameed will open Bairstow at 3 Pope into middle order next time around . The two openers being so poor may have kept Buttler in the side.
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I'd go Burns Hameed Malan maybe Pope somewhere in the opening three.
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I'd go Burns Hameed Malan maybe Pope somewhere in the opening three.
Burns (last chance), Hameed, Malan, Root, Bairstow, Buttler for me.
Pope, Crawley and Lawrence need to get back to their counties and score some serious runs before coming back into the England side.
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Our top 3 going for 9 between them when trying to save a match is poor to say the least, the most shocking thing is this is the third time this year its happened!!
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Burns (last chance), Hameed, Malan, Root, Bairstow, Buttler for me.
Pope, Crawley and Lawrence need to get back to their counties and score some serious runs before coming back into the England side.
Lawrence is England's 2nd highest run scorer this year. Shows just how bad our issues are.
I also think Burns has just about done enough to keep his place, but Sibley has to go now.
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I give it about 45 minutes.
What a shambles. This is a match we should be winning all day at the close last evening.
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Not sure Ali and Buttler are the ones I would want at the crease at this point either..
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Extra's currently has 4 more runs than 6 of our batsmen put together, only Root got more......sign him up!!
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Do you go back to Roy, Jennings, Hales (although there is no way the ECB pick him), Lyth even.
Hameed can potentially open the batting but then what do you do at 3, the answer isn't Crawley, Malan? Bairstow I think has the raw ability but not technically sound enough at 3, it's 5 or 6 and he keeps if he wants a spot in the team.
It's a complete mess.
I would say Malan and possibly Pope. It just goes to show the big jump from County to test.
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Game over. Ali and Curran in 2 balls. I'm not sure what Curran adds at this level in any form of the game really
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Fair play to Buttler, stuck at this gamely.
Extras only needs another 6 to top score.
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Fair play to Buttler, stuck at this gamely.
Extras only needs another 6 to top score.
Maybe this Extras fella needs to open for the next test ;D
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Another one bites the dust. Squeaky bum time.
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This is the same wicket that the Indian tail Enders lashed our bowlers all round the park on isn’t it ?
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Game finally over. Questions need to be asked of the people who are supposedly running English cricket.
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Also our schedule,too much playground cricket we don’t need the Hundred and T20. Mark Wood had only bowled 25 overs since New Zealand series have to presume others were in the same boat both batters and bowlers .
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Nobody really coming through, but we still need to ring the changes now. Feels a rarity for England to get over 200 runs in an innings now. Surely the worst batting line up since the 90's. Without Joe Root, we are probably outside the top 6 in the world. When Broad and Anderson retire we are done for.
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Root blaming himself in the post match interviews - he is the least of our problems right now
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Root blaming himself in the post match interviews - he is the least of our problems right now
Yes and no. He's a dreadful captain.
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Yes and no. He's a dreadful captain.
Seconded. The different field set-ups for the partnership of tail enders were baffling. We lost complete cohesion and any sense of a plan after Bumrah came in.
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I like cricket, always have, especially the 5 day tests against anybody really. I have never played other than schools matches so I'm reluctant to express opinions about what Im watching but here goes with a couple of points anyway.
1/ Why is Root captain? He is a good batsman but his tactics as captain: Selection, field placings, use of bowlers etc, are straight out of the manual- nothing original or showing thought or 'cleverness'. He shows no ability at all as an international captain.
2/Why did Curran and Wood change the way they bowled at the Indian tail enders. Why not keep to the line and length that had previously taken the wickets of specialist batsmen? The wicket and conditions were not much different.
Maybe more knowledgable posters could help me understand.
One last point. It would appear that the Indian bowlers are better batsmen than our openers and early middle order, and that these same cricketers also know more about getting players out than most of our attack. Is there any way we could get them into the England team before the Ashes series? ;D
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I like cricket, always have, especially the 5 day tests against anybody really. I have never played other than schools matches so I'm reluctant to express opinions about what Im watching but here goes with a couple of points anyway.
1/ Why is Root captain? He is a good batsman but his tactics as captain: Selection, field placings, use of bowlers etc, are straight out of the manual- nothing original or showing thought or 'cleverness'. He shows no ability at all as an international captain.
2/Why did Curran and Wood change the way they bowled at the Indian tail enders. Why not keep to the line and length that had previously taken the wickets of specialist batsmen? The wicket and conditions were not much different.
Maybe more knowledgable posters could help me understand.
One last point. It would appear that the Indian bowlers are better batsmen than our openers and early middle order, and that these same cricketers also know more about getting players out than most of our attack. Is there any way we could get them into the England team before the Ashes series? ;D
1) Very fair point and I think has been echoed by a few on here.
2) See your point one. There's your answer.
Do you want a job at the ECB? ;D
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There are no other candidates really..
Stokes? He has to cover the lion share of our batting and bowling anyway and is now on a mental health break.
Buttler? Meh.
Anderson and Broad? They're in the process of being phased out.
Everyone else you can make a case for should not be in the side.
Granted, had we not lost yesterday we can sit here and criticise the captaincy but I'm more worried about our inability to bat at the minute.
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Root keeps the captaincy based solely on the fact that he's the only player sure of his place in the side.
It's a lot easier to captain when the players around you are capable of doing the basics.
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There are no other candidates really..
Stokes? He has to cover the lion share of our batting and bowling anyway and is now on a mental health break.
Buttler? Meh.
Anderson and Broad? They're in the process of being phased out.
Everyone else you can make a case for should not be in the side.
Granted, had we not lost yesterday we can sit here and criticise the captaincy but I'm more worried about our inability to bat at the minute.
However bad the collapse was we lost that game in the 2nd hour of play. Bumrah was averaing 2 in tests before this series and Shami on average lasts 8 balls per test match innings (thanks Jonathan Agnew) these 2 can't bat at this level, and there is another rabbit to follow. The tactics were mind blowing in how wrong they were.
Buttler is a far cannier operator than Root and based on the current best XI should probably take the role.
Wodenson46 point 2. They did that under instructions from the captain. It is thought Root got sucked into some psychological games after Bumrah roughed up Anderson on Saturday evening bowling deliberate no balls to elongate a hostile over. Fact is once Pant was out yesterday they should have taken the last 2 wickets for a maximum of another 15 runs by (as you rightly suggested) bowling as they normally would to the top order.
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However bad the collapse was we lost that game in the 2nd hour of play. Bumrah was averaing 2 in tests before this series and Shami on average lasts 8 balls per test match innings (thanks Jonathan Agnew) these 2 can't bat at this level, and there is another rabbit to follow. The tactics were mind blowing in how wrong they were.
Buttler is a far cannier operator than Root and based on the current best XI should probably take the role.
Wodenson46 point 2. They did that under instructions from the captain. It is thought Root got sucked into some psychological games after Bumrah roughed up Anderson on Saturday evening bowling deliberate no balls to elongate a hostile over. Fact is once Pant was out yesterday they should have taken the last 2 wickets for a maximum of another 15 runs by (as you rightly suggested) bowling as they normally would to the top order.
We also put at least 5 men on the boundaries for 2 awful tailenders, they should have been surrounding them!
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However bad the collapse was we lost that game in the 2nd hour of play. Bumrah was averaing 2 in tests before this series and Shami on average lasts 8 balls per test match innings (thanks Jonathan Agnew) these 2 can't bat at this level, and there is another rabbit to follow. The tactics were mind blowing in how wrong they were.
Buttler is a far cannier operator than Root and based on the current best XI should probably take the role.
Wodenson46 point 2. They did that under instructions from the captain. It is thought Root got sucked into some psychological games after Bumrah roughed up Anderson on Saturday evening bowling deliberate no balls to elongate a hostile over. Fact is once Pant was out yesterday they should have taken the last 2 wickets for a maximum of another 15 runs by (as you rightly suggested) bowling as they normally would to the top order.
I don’t disagree with your first paragraph - it was a woeful hour of cricket.
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Anyway - in proper cricket - Birmingham Phoenix into the final on Saturday night.
Liam Livingstone with 92 off 40.
This is an excellent all round side. Thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
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Anyway - in proper cricket - Birmingham Phoenix into the final on Saturday night.
Liam Livingstone with 92 off 40.
This is an excellent all round side. Thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
Liam Livingstone should be in the Test side. Far more talented than Burns and Sibley.
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Liam Livingstone should be in the Test side. Far more talented than Burns and Sibley.
Thanks Dave and Jacko for the intelligent response to my somewhat naive questions. Seems a lot is down to the captaincy then.
Another question re Greg's opinion. Livingston looks excellent in the Hundred, would his abilities carry into the test arena? For myself I see little reason why he should not be considered.
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Thanks Dave and Jacko for the intelligent response to my somewhat naive questions. Seems a lot is down to the captaincy then.
Another question re Greg's opinion. Livingston looks excellent in the Hundred, would his abilities carry into the test arena? For myself I see little reason why he should not be considered.
I can’t confess to having seen much of Livingstone in first class cricket - he averages around 38.
I think it is a case of where he fits in - Greg has cited Sibley and Burns and whilst that is true around their talent, Livingstone will never open in the test arena. We tried that with Jason Roy after a successful white ball summer and it failed. The skills and competencies of opening are entirely different to elsewhere in the order.
Our middle order consists of Root Stokes Pope Buttler Ali - I think England will be relatively happy with that. Pope is technically sound and a long term investment they will stick with. Ali/Woakes will get the nod as they offer more with the ball.
Livingstone is technically sound for such a big hitter - but I can only see him becoming a white ball specialist similar to Roy, Hales, Morgan and latterly, Bairstow. All, for their obvious talents in white ball cricket have struggled with the transition across.
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Rumours are Malan will replace Sibley in the next test.
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I see your arguments Liam and agree on pretty much everything you have said. From what little I have seen of Livingstone though, he is a good cricketer and is not just a big hitter. As you point out he is a decent technician, and I do get the impression he is able to think a bit as well.
Maybe and it is a long shot, just an idea, a gut reaction from a not particularly well informed spectator; just maybe, as an intelligent cricketer, he might be able adapt to open. Sometimes there are skill sets available that are just not used or recognised until tried. Has he ever opened at a decent level?
Have we any idea when Stokes will be available? Could Livingstone fill some of the hole created by Stokes absence in the middle order.
Pope I am far from sure about, but as you say he is said to be good technically and seems to be well ensconced at the moment. Livingstone might be as good or even a better option here though. A good technical batsman who can hit big as well is always useful. We have seen how big he can hit!
Would not want to see him instead of Ali or Woakes unless either is incapacitated, but perhaps Livingstone should be in or around the test team at some point soon whilst he is still on a high.
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Bringing Malan in for Sibley is nowhere near enough. I think the Indians are going to hammer us in this series.
Silverwood, I just don't see any special qualities. We needed something left field in term of selection for the next Test to rattle India. Instead we will have Hameed and Burns opening, Malan at 3 and the rest the same.
It really is all over if Root drops off this phenomenal run scoring.
We require tough, big characters as well as talent. Livingstone seems to have plenty about him.
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I don't think these selections are great, particularly Hameed I think is a very poor selection.
But in fairness to the selectors, there is just no batting talent. England haven't produced a decent test batsmen (averaging over 35) since Root. Stokes is a decent one when he's playing. The rest we've been struggling desperately to find people who can average over 30 in test games.
Not only that, there's very few who perform with any level of consistency in the county championship to suggest they deserve a chance in the test side. Malan will fail, but no other country options have stepped up when given the chance in the last nearly decade now, I don't expect it to change anytime soon.
Part of this is a legacy of an ever dwindling number of players caused by the incompetent ECB. The other is county pitches which are pretty much all seemingly being prepared the same given the increasing amount of medium pacers who will clean up with ridiculous bowling records, yet are subpar outside the English county game.
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Malan does at least have talent and good range of orthodox shots. He was leading run scorer in the last Ashes in Australia with a hundred and 3 fifties. There's a theory that his game is more suited to Australian conditions than ours. Having been brought in he now needs to be kept in for the remaining tests and certainly this winters ashes.
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Bringing Malan in for Sibley is nowhere near enough. I think the Indians are going to hammer us in this series.
Silverwood, I just don't see any special qualities. We needed something left field in term of selection for the next Test to rattle India. Instead we will have Hameed and Burns opening, Malan at 3 and the rest the same.
It really is all over if Root drops off this phenomenal run scoring.
We require tough, big characters as well as talent. Livingstone seems to have plenty about him.
Well what exactly do you want Silverwood and Root to do? Who do you propose they select?
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Anyway - in proper cricket - Birmingham Phoenix into the final on Saturday night.
Liam Livingstone with 92 off 40.
This is an excellent all round side. Thoroughly enjoyable to watch.
The Hundred and the abomination that spawned it, 20/20, should not be referred to as cricket, more akin to the dreadful baseball (sorry, rounders). This frightful spectacle is the ruin of test cricket (proper cricket); so sad.
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Well done to Glamorgan winning the Royal London one day cup. It might be the equivalent of the Caraboa or whatever now but even so. Glam had a pre competition agreement that their 'hundred' players' wouldn't come back in when available for this competition whereas Durham included theirs in today's game.
Really positive quality innings from Carlson set the course of the game - he may just start getting talked about a bit more now.
Only downside is I've missed the semi and final due to a short break in Pembrokeshire.
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Enjoyed the final, thought Durham would win beforehand but FairPlay to Glamorgan.
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Missed the final myself.
Adder - serves you right for going on holiday during the cricket season ;D
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Missed the final myself.
Adder - serves you right for going on holiday during the cricket season ;D
Fair point Liam - I didn't for about 40 years while I was still playing myself. :)
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... The tactics were mind blowing in how wrong they were.
Buttler is a far cannier operator than Root and based on the current best XI should probably take the role.
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Agreed: Root is a great batsman but a poor captain. You can see it in the uncertain look on his face but smiling when he bats. However we're stuck with him as the ECB is ultra cautious about change. I think Vaughan said they give players too many chances. Look at Sibley, technically poor on offside shots so easy to set fields to.
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I'm not sure on Buttler being an option for captaincy personally. He's got more than enough on his plate keeping wicket and trying to improve his batting - he's a natural one day cricketer still struggling with his batting and technical flaws at test level.
Stokes obviously out of the running for a while and has enough on his plate anyway...which means there are zero alternatives to Root ::)
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Any possibilities of electing non-playing captains like in Davis cup tennis? If so, I would offer my services for a small fee. Unencumbered by ever having played the game I doubt I would be worse than Rooty at field placings, especially with the benefit of aerial view, and the same goes for bowling plans. :)
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Well what exactly do you want Silverwood and Root to do? Who do you propose they select?
Liam Livingstone, he is the outstanding candidate. In addition Steve Eskinazi and Jake Libby have scores stacks of Championship runs. Moeen Ali has been treated appallingly, the guy has so much talent with bat and ball. Sam Curran is not Test quality, doesn't do enough with the ball.
Root will never be a captain, not dynamic, reactive, dull, monatone.
I see Silverwood interviewed, he has no imagination, no aura, just too conservative.
England are sleep walking to a 0-4 loss.
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Very difficult for any incoming player with little or no red ball cricket on offer at the moment which is bloody stupid when we are in the midst of a test series against one of the best sides around and with a possible Ashes series coming up . Suppose we’ll return to red ball cricket n September when wickets/conditions tend to greatly favour the bowlers
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Liam Livingstone is extremely dangerous in the short forms of the game and the name of the moment but he has a grand total of 65 runs at an average of 10 in 5 games in the County Championship this year. It would be bordering on farcical to select him in the test squad with that sort of record and unfair on the likes of Libby and Carlson who both have around 790 runs in 10 games at an average of 60 plus.
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Livingstone is a big character and big game player.
Not only have they been better technically, they have won the sledging war, just as the Aussies did in the 80s and 90s.
England reflect Root, quiet and passive. India reflect Kohli, passionate, aggressive, demonstrative.
I have already vouched for Jake Libby's inclusion.
The changes for this upcoming Test are way too minimal.
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Livingstone is a big character and big game player.
Not only have they been better technically, they have won the sledging war, just as the Aussies did in the 80s and 90s.
England reflect Root, quiet and passive. India reflect Kohli, passionate, aggressive, demonstrative.
I have already vouched for Jake Libby's inclusion.
The changes for this upcoming Test are way too minimal.
Could have said the same about Jason Roy before his major flop at test level...that alone shouldn't be enough to secure a test spot. Livingstone himself has commented that what he's doing isn't transferrable to the longer format of the game especially at test level. If he wants to have a test career then I hope at some stage he will forgo some of the T20/hundred fests around the world and stack up some red ball runs. Of course he'll be raking it in from the shorter formats so may decide not to.
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Could have said the same about Jason Roy before his major flop at test level...that alone shouldn't be enough to secure a test spot. Livingstone himself has commented that what he's doing isn't transferrable to the longer format of the game especially at test level. If he wants to have a test career then I hope at some stage he will forgo some of the T20/hundred fests around the world and stack up some red ball runs. Of course he'll be raking it in from the shorter formats so may decide not to.
Until Livingstone fails at Test level after a period of time, then parellels cannot be drawn with Roy in Tests.
I'd rather be picking a guy in form in white ball Cricket than desperately clinging to the hope that batsman out of their depth can somehow get big scores versus a world class attack!
No one has a huge amount of red ball cricket and anyway a lot of these guys were pulverised by India in February and March and are probably carrying mental scare from those losses.
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Until Livingstone fails at Test level after a period of time, then parellels cannot be drawn with Roy in Tests.
I'd rather be picking a guy in form in white ball Cricket than desperately clinging to the hope that batsman out of their depth can somehow get big scores versus a world class attack!
No one has a huge amount of red ball cricket and anyway a lot of these guys were pulverised by India in February and March and are probably carrying mental scare from those losses.
OK that's fine if you want Livingstone. I don't agree because of his total lack of red ball runs (failures when he has played it this summer). I just think there are others that have performed in red ball this summer who are more deserving of the chance. I agree it's not easy against this attack.
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Jimmy Anderson doing Jimmy Anderson things.
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He is just amazing. There are no words to describe him.
I've got tickets for day 4. Looking forward to it.
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Jimmy Anderson doing Jimmy Anderson things.
How will we ever replace this guy? I don't think we can !
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How will we ever replace this guy? I don't think we can !
We don't.
We have to hope we can eek a few more years out of Broad and Robinson looks a find. The way Silverwood has treated Archer, Wood and Stone I don't hold out any hope for them being mainstays in the team in the coming years.
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Ollie Robinson has been a great find. Very much looks the part.
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On Sky TV just saw a guy in a West Brom shirt talking to someone in a Arsenal Shirt in the crowd at Headingly. What are the odds on the day of the game between us and Arsenal?
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78 a/o for India.
A free hit for England to get themselves back into a series they should be 0-2 down in.
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On Sky TV just saw a guy in a West Brom shirt talking to someone in a Arsenal Shirt in the crowd at Headingly. What are the odds on the day of the game between us and Arsenal?
Probably more likely than if we weren't?
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Probably more likely than if we weren't?
Long way from home up there. Cant see either of them making the game. Shame he had the new baggies home shirt on. Still don't like it.
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78 a/o for India.
A free hit for England to get themselves back into a series they should be 0-2 down in.
I hope it makes day 4 at this rate ;D
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Congratulations to the England bowlers. Now lets hope the batsmen can do there job!
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What a day of test cricket - England 120-0 at close
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What a day of test cricket - England 120-0 at close
Take Sibley out and reap the rewards ;D
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Take Sibley out and reap the rewards ;D
Hopefully Warwickshire reap the rewards on friday ;D
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Hopefully Warwickshire reap the rewards on friday ;D
Why? Are they going to drop him too?
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Loved the performance, couldn't believe when I saw we had them for 78, then got to watch Burns and Hameed have their fun. You feel this knock alone might be enough to give this opening pair the run to the Ashes now.
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Really looking forward to seeing what the day entails.
Saw a great stat earlier - this has been England’s best opening partnership since the second innings of the first test when we faced India in 2016 - the game noted as been Hameed’s debut.
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Why? Are they going to drop him too?
Dom Sibley, the Sam Johnstone of the cricketing world ;D
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A shame Burns and Hameed couldn't quite convert their half centuries into really.big scores. Hameed in particular ended up like a stalled car up a steep hill, unable to get started again and facing nearly 5 overs without a run before losing his wicket.
Malan and Root going fairly well though, we really should be looking to have this all finished within 4 days now and without batting again.
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Proper test cricket this, it's been a while! Do we think they'll add as much as possible and get India on the crease for the final session to try and take a few wickets before the close of play?
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Proper test cricket this, it's been a while! Do we think they'll add as much as possible and get India on the crease for the final session to try and take a few wickets before the close of play?
It's still the second day. We can afford to bat until we either get all out or we get a lead of 350+ and bat them out the game.
Don't think we need to declare today
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It's still the second day. We can afford to bat until we either get all out or we get a lead of 350+ and bat them out the game.
Don't think we need to declare today
Good point. I guess in my head I’m panicking as haven’t seen England in this position for a while!
Malian goes - he batted well and very sensibly.
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336-for3. Some very nice knocks out there. Hopefully get a lead of 450+.
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Not sure your 450+ lead is going to happen
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Not sure your 450+ lead is going to happen
My 350 lead is about right though ;)
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Not sure your 450+ lead is going to happen
Sad but true. Bit of a collapse!
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I just want England to bat, bat and bat a bit more.
Anything that extends this test match for a couple of hours longer :D
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declare first thing and knock em over again, they finish the day on @280-9.
sorry Liam, just joshing
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At this rate India will still be batting a week on Saturday !
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Saturday was great. A 3 hour train journey to watch India skittled in an hour and half :D
Currently watching a Sam Hain and Chris Benjamin masterclass against Lancs. Both have made centuries with a century on debut for Benjamin.
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Chris Woakes back in the test team and Chris Woakes is taking wickets. Incredible bowler in English conditions. Excluding today its an average of 22.
In the game we're all interested in :D - Warwickshire and Lancs are playing out a draw. Chris Benjamin fell short of another half century - Sibley was out for 57 in what appeared a rather dour looking innings.
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This last 40 minutes has been woeful from England again. They've abandoned their plans just like at Lords.
Different personnel, same outcome.
Pathetic.
Re. Woakes, if it's not swinging don't bother.
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This last 40 minutes has been woeful from England again. They've abandoned their plans just like at Lords.
Different personnel, same outcome.
Pathetic.
Re. Woakes, if it's not swinging don't bother.
Rant worked 💪🏻 you're welcome ;D
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It's a shame Root got out with 10 mins left in the day. We looked untroubled with him and Malan starting to settle well together.
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We’re in for a cracking final day - all outcomes still possible.
I’ll be backing the draw as I think Kohli will close the shop when he knows India cannot win and England are getting to close.
Great test match.
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We’re in for a cracking final day - all outcomes still possible.
I’ll be backing the draw as I think Kohli will close the shop when he knows India cannot win and England are getting to close.
Great test match.
And I’m on a day off BOOYAR!
Ran a half marathon (just drop that in there) yesterday followed by some booze so I completely missed it and watched today at the test - that is anxiety inducing when you have no idea of the score! Fantastic watch though - this has been a great test match, flipping and flopping one way to the other.
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Listened to the morning session on TMS while driving back from down south, thought we would wipe Pant and Thakur out given the fact Woakes seemed on fire, but when I looked up the score later in the day to see them putting on over 100 runs together you realise what a great chance we threw away.
I know the pitch is a bit of a road, but I think we will drop early wickets. I wouldn’t be shocked if Hameed and Burns both go in the first 45 minutes without reaching their half centuries, and if they can get 5 wickets by about 2-3pm then I’d back the pressure to get to us.
On the Hameed/Burns front, it is a relief to have an opening pair that you believe have half a chance of putting together an unbeaten opening partnership now.
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Why did they go for a run there?
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Why did they go for a run there?
If he was backing up properly it's a comfortable run. No one to blame but himself. That said the commentary didn't mention it but it looked like Jadeja partially blocked him off.
Root needs to get through to lunch.
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Feels like Hameed's on borrowed time this morning. Should have been caught out, has put another in the air from spin and just looks a bit unsteady.
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If he was backing up properly it's a comfortable run. No one to blame but himself. That said the commentary didn't mention it but it looked like Jadeja partially blocked him off.
Root needs to get through to lunch.
After they analysed i did think it looked simpler than on first view.
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Malan was no better than a night watchman this morning, but for a very lucky umpires call he should have gone earlier than he did, awful!
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Winning is off the cards. It's a case of do not lose now..
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What a collapse this is. 4 wickets since lunch, 5 in the last hour.
No chance we get a draw here now. Need a Root miracle.
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4 for 6 in 41 balls since lunch, typical England collapse
Its the hope that kills you!
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6 wickets gone for 44 runs. Soft batting line up with no real contenders coming through. Feels like there are only a couple of sides in world cricket who can play tests at a decent level now. India are one of them.
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43 ducks for English players this year, 18 different players. Shows A, the amount of different players who have had a go and B, the amount of different players who haven't impressed.
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4 for 6 in 41 balls since lunch, typical England collapse
Its the hope that kills you!
Ah the good old collapse. Nobody does it better than England unfortunately.
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Same old tale of woe. That said, you have to give Bumrah credit for what was a superb spell.
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Same old tale of woe. That said, you have to give Bumrah credit for what was a superb spell.
100% it was a brilliant spell, but you almost expect the England collapse and it rarely fails to materialise unfortunately. All on Root now (again, how many times as that been said!?)
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Probably won’t even make it to tea now. What a huge disappointment
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In this day and age for 4 or 5 of your frontline batsman to get out bowled on a wicket as benign as this is a breakdown in basic technique which in this group of players is second only to mental weakness as a cause of repeated failings . In truth with one or two notable exceptions this at test level is a poor team
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Woeful. Nothing else to say. 141 for 2, 147 for 6.
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In this day and age for 4 or 5 of your frontline batsman to get out bowled on a wicket as benign as this is a breakdown in basic technique which in this group of players is second only to mental weakness as a cause of repeated failings . In truth with one or two notable exceptions this at test level is a poor team
I think it shows how little emphasis is put on the longer form of the game in England. The 4 day county game is such a poor standard that it produces players who aren't good enough to play test cricket. Shorter format is much more forgiving on technique and skill but longer game really exposes ones weaknesses.
My girlfriend (she is Indian) said straight away yesterday when India where 400 and odd for 8 that India would win. Stupidly I said we'd draw...should have known better with our batting!
We really have gone backwards in regards to batting. Apart from Root I have very little confidence in the rest of them.
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I couldn’t even call it a low point as we’ve been here before.
That was a staggeringly bad two hours of cricket following lunch, in a test match where we should have came out with a draw at the minimum.
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I think it shows how little emphasis is put on the longer form of the game in England. The 4 day county game is such a poor standard that it produces players who aren't good enough to play test cricket. Shorter format is much more forgiving on technique and skill but longer game really exposes ones weaknesses.
My girlfriend (she is Indian) said straight away yesterday when India where 400 and odd for 8 that India would win. Stupidly I said we'd draw...should have known better with our batting!
We really have gone backwards in regards to batting. Apart from Root I have very little confidence in the rest of them.
I think a big issue is that the likes of Buttler and Bairstow (and others) actually modify their technique to maximise their hitting power in the shorter format. It's then difficult to produce the technique you need to survive in test cricket when they are playing so much short form cricket.
The 4 day pitches need to improve also. Even at this time of year after a pretty dry few weeks there are some low scores around at the moment and it's the pace bowlers that are doing the damage. I'm not aware of any spinners doing serious damage at the moment.
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I feel the end is nigh for both Root and Silverwood. They got outclassed by Kohli today. Like him or not he is a great captain. Something that Root isn't.
Why do we keep going back to Ali and Bairstow. Why does Buttler get such a long run in the team when he scores such few runs?
Root works our bowlers into the ground. Look at Archer. How many extra overs did Anderson and Robinson bowl Yesterday.
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Root and Silverwood are going nowhere - they’ve just rebuilt the ECB around them both. They’re not going to rip it up now.
I’m not sure Silverwood is the issue either - we have an average to poor batting line up who are mentally fragile after a few years of batting collapses and defeats. The next man has exactly the same issues because the current crop - and those beneath them - are not good enough.
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5th test match cancelled as India claim to be unable to field a team due to Covid scares.
Following last nights testing there was not a positive case amongst any of the playing staff.
I am surprised that this is such an issue now they're 2-1 up, as when Shastri and others tested positive for Covid last week, they were more than happy to continue in search of their win.
Of course, the IPL returns next week which I am sure has played no part in their decision.
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5th test match cancelled as India claim to be unable to field a team due to Covid scares.
Following last nights testing there was not a positive case amongst any of the playing staff.
I am surprised that this is such an issue now they're 2-1 up, as when Shastri and others tested positive for Covid last week, they were more than happy to continue in search of their win.
Of course, the IPL returns next week which I am sure has played no part in their decision.
They should all be made to isolate for 10 days before we let them near an airport.
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Just goes to show, they want the money (IPL) more than a series win, to me test cricket has been the third priority for a while now behind the quicker formats
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Just goes to show, they want the money (IPL) more than a series win, to me test cricket has been the third priority for a while now behind the quicker formats
They've got the series win now this test has been cancelled.
Kohli now has wins in England and Australia on his record.
Its why they continued to play on during the 4th test match after Ravi Shastri tested positive.
If COVID was such an issue to them, they would not have continued the 4th test.
Now they're infront, Kohli has it on his record & the IPL starts next week.. COVID my backside..
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They've got the series win now this test has been cancelled.
Kohli now has wins in England and Australia on his record.
Its why they continued to play on during the 4th test match after Ravi Shastri tested positive.
If COVID was such an issue to them, they would not have continued the 4th test.
Now they're infront, Kohli has it on his record & the IPL starts next week.. COVID my backside..
The ECB will be seeking a forfeiture and a series draw based on all the noises coming out of this mess.
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The ECB will be seeking a forfeiture and a series draw based on all the noises coming out of this mess.
Already read somewhere this is what’s happened
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The ECB will be seeking a forfeiture and a series draw based on all the noises coming out of this mess.
That's initially what the ECB included within their official statement until they amended it to a more diplomatic version :D
India have offered to replay the test next summer when they come for the ODI series.
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The ECB will be seeking a forfeiture and a series draw based on all the noises coming out of this mess.
But the BCCI is a lot more powerful £ wise so would the ECB risk upsetting them?
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Lancs appear to have 'done a Glamorgan' ;) and prepared an absolute minefield at Aigburth. Well on the way to the game ending early on day 3. Hants 24 for 4 lead by 27 runs in 2nd innings. Meanwhile Warks need to bowl Somerset out twice to stay in the running. Lammonby just dismissed for a half century.
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Lancs appear to have 'done a Glamorgan' ;) and prepared an absolute minefield at Aigburth. Well on the way to the game ending early on day 3. Hants 24 for 4 lead by 27 runs in 2nd innings. Meanwhile Warks need to bowl Somerset out twice to stay in the running. Lammonby just dismissed for a half century.
Glamorgan enjoying the Oval wicket after recent debacles ;)
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Essex v Northants finished 35 minutes into day 2!! Becoming a bit of a shambles some of these matches.
Warwickshire letting fans in for free next two days if any of you B*ars are interested
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Looks a draw for me at Edgbaston - this is a great batting deck. We needed all the bonus points to help us and prepared a beauty of a pitch. Hard toil for the bowlers.
Thoroughly enjoyed today at Edgbaston - weather was beautiful. After the **** show of last year it’s so refreshing to see us play good cricket. I’ll be there the next couple of days.
That an hour an half against Hampshire two weeks ago is going to cost us dearly. That game was in the palm of our hands and we squandered it.
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Cracking finish in Liverpool for Lancs to win by 1 wicket.
All on tomorrow at Edgbaston now; bears win and it’s theirs, if not it’s Lancs
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Congrats to Lancashire - were not going to take ten wickets today. Somerset came with a plan of taking as much time out this game as possible and fair play to them it worked.
Entertaining session watching Sibley, Rhodes and Yates belt it around the ground. A flamingo six from Sibley being the highlight as we chase a lead of 270.
We’ll need a miracle on this very flat batting deck.
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Congrats to Lancashire - were not going to take ten wickets today. Somerset came with a plan of taking as much time out this game as possible and fair play to them it worked.
Entertaining session watching Sibley, Rhodes and Yates belt it around the ground. A flamingo six from Sibley being the highlight as we chase a lead of 270.
We’ll need a miracle on this very flat batting deck.
:o
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Congrats to Lancashire - were not going to take ten wickets today. Somerset came with a plan of taking as much time out this game as possible and fair play to them it worked.
Entertaining session watching Sibley, Rhodes and Yates belt it around the ground. A flamingo six from Sibley being the highlight as we chase a lead of 270.
We’ll need a miracle on this very flat batting deck.
The hopeless Somerset batting is certainly doing it's best to take the title to Edgbaston...
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They've done it! I dare say the Albion will conspire to spoil the mood but what a win. Anyone lucky enough to have been there?
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My word. Absolutely incredible. The greatest cricketing moment I’ve seen in the flesh.
County Champions 2021. WARWICKSHIRE LA LA LA
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To put Warwickshire win into more context - this from George do bell of cricinfo
To put the result in perspective, it was Essex's first defeat in first-class cricket since 2019 - they had gone 21 games without a loss - and the first time since Simon Harmer arrived in 2017 they had conceded more than two - yes two - to lose a game in the fourth innings. Warwickshire, by contrast, went into this game having won only one Division One Championship match (or Bob Willis Trophy match) at home since September 2016. Harmer has not conceded more runs in an innings when he has not taken a wicket in his period at the club.
This post ;D ;D
One home win since 2016.
13 games later they’re champions ;D
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This post ;D ;D
One home win since 2016.
13 games later they’re champions ;D
Congrats to the Bears but let's be honest that's embarrassing from Somerset on that wicket.
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Congrats to the Bears but let's be honest that's embarrassing from Somerset on that wicket.
Most definitely. That pitch was as flat as a pancake. Should not be losing 10 in 52 on that.
Have to say though - the bowling unit were first class and have been all year.
There was a group of lankies who came today and swiftly disappeared at tea ;D
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The Bob Willis trophy in its rightful home - Edgbaston.
What a brilliant way to end the season.
Warwickshire la la la.. :D
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Hearing that the Ashes squad announcement will be tomorrow. No Ben Stokes and no Jofra Archer, I was secretly hoping the tour was called off as it could easily be another white wash even with the Aussies looking ordinary.
As for the Twenty twenty world Cup squad, I'm not overly confident with the conditions kot favouring us and players coming in out of form. Squad below:
England’s preliminary squad:
Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) CaptainMoeen Ali (Worcestershire)Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire)Sam Billings (Kent)Jos Buttler (Lancashire)Tom Curran (Surrey)Chris Jordan (Surrey)Liam Livingstone (Lancashire)Dawid Malan (Yorkshire)Tymal Mills (Sussex)Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)Jason Roy (Surrey)David Willey (Yorkshire)Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)Mark Wood (Durham)
Travelling Reserves
Reece Topley (Surrey)Liam Dawson (Hampshire)James Vince (Hampshire)
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Ashes squad announced today - Dom Bess replaces Moeen Ali.
No places for Parkinson, Mahmood or Livingstone - all three will join up with the Lions
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Im shocked Livingstone didnt replace Moeen if I am honest.
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Im shocked Livingstone didnt replace Moeen if I am honest.
His 1st class batting stats last season were abysmal and he'd be no more than a very occasional spin bowler at test level.
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I’ve found it a bit of an uninspired line up really, I don’t see how they win down under.
Stokes and Archer being out makes it really difficult, while not being able to call up Olly Stone is a blow. Zak Crawley is lucky to have been called up again as surely he needs to find some consistent form in the county championship before he gets another chance for England. Despite his 2 poor performances I’d possibly have preferred James Bracey being given another go in the squad. I’d also not have been averse to a debutant being taken, as if we can hand out debuts vs India we can hand out debuts bs Australia.
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I’ve found it a bit of an uninspired line up really, I don’t see how they win down under.
Stokes and Archer being out makes it really difficult, while not being able to call up Olly Stone is a blow. Zak Crawley is lucky to have been called up again as surely he needs to find some consistent form in the county championship before he gets another chance for England. Despite his 2 poor performances I’d possibly have preferred James Bracey being given another go in the squad. I’d also not have been averse to a debutant being taken, as if we can hand out debuts vs India we can hand out debuts bs Australia.
I see your point about Crawley. I think they are suspecting that Australian pitches will suit his game in a similar way to how they seem to suit Malan. Crawley always looks the part until he gets out, at least against the pace bowlers.
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I fear we are going to go into at least the first test with either a very long tail or not our best XI. A team consisting of Anderson , Broad , Leach and possibly Wood would leave the batting very thin.Personally I wouldn't take Broad and there must be concerns over just how many wickets Anderson and Woakes can take in Australian conditions. The batting looks as usual without Stokes overly reliant on Root although I hope Malan may nail down a place . The weakness in the batting probably means we will see Bairstow and Buttler in the side when the reality is the latter has done very little to justify a test place in recent times
Stokes Archer and to a lesser degree Stone all big misses and overall I can see nothing but a heavy series defeat
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Bit of an interim team, covid affected run up etc, very very surprised if we get anything at all from this series, certainly not The Ashes. But you never know, and can live in hope at least until the first ball is bowled.
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Just got 2 tickets for day 1 v South Africa next August at Edgbaston, can't wait!
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To look on the slightly brighter side of the Ashes - the Aussie batting is distinctly flaky...apart from Smith and Labuschagne. We could do with someone like Burns/Malan/whoever having a big series ...and Root to keep firing.
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To look on the slightly brighter side of the Ashes - the Aussie batting is distinctly flaky...apart from Smith and Labuschagne. We could do with someone like Burns/Malan/whoever having a big series ...and Root to keep firing.
Shame they’re two excellent players mind. Labuschange would fit our side like a glove.
I do have concerns regarding our attack. It’s all a bit samey
39 year old Anderson averages 35 in Australia
35 year old Broad averages 30 in Australia
32 year old Woakes averages 50 in Australia
I’m interested to see how Ollie Robinson performs after his successful summer.
Mark Wood has express pace but appears brittle - he’s the only bowler who possess anything different to what we already have.
Bess and Leach have average records.
In comparison to Australia:
27 year old Pat Cummins averages 21 in Australia
30 year old Josh Hazlewood averages 24 in Australia
Mitchell Starc averages 26 in Australia
Nathan Lyon averages 32 in Australia
That’s a pretty formidable bowling line up against our very, very brittle batting line up
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I'd be shocked if we win a single test really. The only way I see is getting a win would be if Joe Root scores a 200 in the first innings and puts them under pressure.
The 3 best test sides in the world are India, New Zealand and Australia. The gap between the rest is huge. We might well be 4th best but it's a weak generation.
The Aussies batting line up doesn't need to be brilliant, but if you look at their averages it's actually quite impressive. Warner, Head, Burns and the exciting Pucovski all average higher than our entire batting line up (sin Joe Root). They beat us in every area of the pitch. It's why we should have been more adventurous with our squad selection.
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Bumbles comments regarding the selection are enlightening!!
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I agree with every word he says.
Mahmood not going given his pace is the most baffling of the lot.
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I agree with Mahmood( instead of Broad) and probably Parkinson (instead of Bess)but don’t think I would have taken Livingstone his red ball record isn’t to hot .
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Bumbles comments regarding the selection are enlightening!!
I think there's an element of newspaper column writing so he needs to say something. For a start Crawley is already in the squad so could be picked ahead of Burns or Hameed. Bell-Drummond his figures this year are not great.
Hameed has resembled David Warner in scoring rate in comparison to Sibley. If Bumble was still England coach and in charge of things, I wonder if he'd still be brave enough to break up the Hameed Burns pairing after 2 century opening stands in 3 games. They are far from certain to be successes out there but nor would anyone else.
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More importantly his comments about Country Cricket is absolute on the money, until I really started watching on the streams this year its shocking how the bowling has really decreased in quality since the days I used to go up and watch.
Batsmen are coming from facing 70-80 mph on regular basis as top order in our first class then they end up facing bowlers 15-20 MPH quicker at that level, I feel for them I really do.
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I agree with the point about the openers Adder, its the best we have currently.
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It doesn’t really feel right to break up the opening pair given they have been an improvement on Sibley and Crawley earlier in the year, at least not initially. I’m not sure who’s out there who would fair any better - Sibley was great in county cricket before he was exposed by international quality bowlers.
As for Mahmood and Parkinson, he might have a point but then they will almost certainly be in the Lions squad that will be touring alongside them and they could get calls ups to the later tests if (when) we struggle.
I do find the Livingstone talk a bit strange. It isn’t just Bumble, the cricket show on talk sport 2 with Harmison was the same, they clearly feel that his first class average of sub 40 doesn’t represent his true ability. I don’t know too many players who average 38 in domestic cricket and step up to a higher level and then improve their average. Are they getting carried away by his white ball exploits?
I’d like to see some more dynamism but I’m crossing my fingers that the lions squad gives us a bit of promise.
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The Livingstone hype has a touch of the Jason Roy’s about it from 2019. Living off the hype that has been created from his one day exploits. He had an average of 11 from his six matches in the county championship last season. The experiment could work as a counter attacking force if we had a top and middle order who had some solidity - i don’t want Livingstone coming in when we’re 50-4.
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As for Bumbles article and rant.
Great sound bites but lacking in solutions. Moans about the openers but does not suggest a replacement.
Out of all of the ranting his only suggestion is Mahmood.
There is a dearth of English fast bowlers nowadays. County cricket is designed for your Luke Fletchers and Chris Rushworths and does nothing to help either fast bowlers or batsman.
I think we have to accept this is the best it gets whilst the ECB managed four tournaments and test cricket.
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I think it's always been the case though that there tend to be only 2 or 3 genuinely fast bowlers on the county scene. In older days it was a case that they played far more county cricket than anyone does now i.e. 2 x 3 day Championship games in a week and from the 70's a 40 over Sunday competition also. Bowling fast day in day out often for 7 days a week was a tough gig and injuries happened then also.
If everyone was fit we would have Wood, Archer and Stone all genuinely quick i.e. consistently above 90mph which is about the same number as there would be kicking about the county scene in most eras.
Somehow the English setup has never been ideal for producing quicks.
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England lions squad announced - no Liam Livingstone
England Lions squad: Tom Abell (Somerset), Josh Bohannon (Lancashire), James Bracey (Gloucestershire), Brydon Carse (Durham), Mason Crane (Hampshire), Matthew Fisher (Yorkshire), Ben Foakes (Surrey), Alex Lees (Durham), Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire), Liam Norwell (Warwickshire), Matt Parkinson (Lancashire), Dom Sibley (Warwickshire), Jamie Smith (Surrey), Rob Yates (Warwickshire
First call ups for Norwell, Yates, Bohannon and Alex Lees.
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Thinking more about Ashes selection and contest and it reminds me of the recent Ryder Cup their squad having so much in hand man for man
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Embarrassing effort by the West Indies. Lamentable.
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Ben Stokes called into the Ashes squad :)
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Something the Aussies were expecting judging by a few articles I read over the weekend
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Good to see Baggies (the Spinney) out in force in Sharjah. England need 16 from 7 for what would be a super win.
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And Rabada gets a hattrick...
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Gutted. Three overs of rubbish has threw a game we should have won.
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Bad captaincy I thought. Had 6 bowling options, used 5. Moeen Ali has bowled well all tournament. No need to give Mark Wood a 4th over. Sorry but never rated Jordan. Bowled length at 80mph.
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England didn't really adjust bowling tactics. What worked for most of the innings didn't work once Neesham came in and NZ went into big hit mode. Once a batting team gets momentum like that is is difficult to stop.
It was at least a dramatic game which was a good watch - haven't been enough of those in this tournament.
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Aus winning like that makes it doubly worse.
I'm ready for the 5-0 Ashes.
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Aus winning like that makes it doubly worse.
I'm ready for the 5-0 Ashes.
On home turf, yes the Ozzies have an advantage, but many of the T20 team won’t feature in their Ashes team.
Even so, they will have a strong line up, as will England. In my opinion, the Ashes series will be very competitive and could go either way.
Sincerely,
From the glass half full England 🏏 fan 👍
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On home turf, yes the Ozzies have an advantage, but many of the T20 team won’t feature in their Ashes team.
Even so, they will have a strong line up, as will England. In my opinion, the Ashes series will be very competitive and could go either way.
Sincerely,
From the glass half full England 🏏 fan 👍
What about the T20 World Cup in Oz next year?
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Who's going to be staying up for the cricket then?
I fear for us as I really don't think we have enough runs in the team, even with Root in great form. Still if we can escape the Gabba without a hammering then you just never know going into the pink ball test at Adelaide.
Excited to see how Wood goes on hard pitches when he gets a chance, the quickest bowler we've taken down under for many a year.
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I'll be trying to squeeze as many hours in as possible - going to use my flexi to cater for the winter :)
I think we're in for a struggle and will lose 3-1 - I don't think there's enough runs in this side when you compare them to the excellent Labuschange and Smith. I also think we're slightly under cooked and placing too much pressure on Ben Stokes.
Agree on Wood - gutted that we do not have an Archer or Olly Stone available to ease the burden on him. Anderson misses out tonight so I'll assume we will go with:
Hameed, Burns, Malan, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Woakes, Robinson, Broad, Wood, Leach
If it has continued to rain then I would not be surprised to see Pope over Leach.
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I think Pope will play and one of the bowlers will miss out, probably Leach, Broad or Woakes.
I expect a pretty even series. Robinson gives our attack more control than usual and bowls in a similar way to Hazelwood for the Aussies.
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I initially thought that but I just wonder how much pressure we’ll want to put on Ben Stokes?
Robinson, Stokes, Broad & Woakes just feels a little short for me. Especially given the limited cricket Stokes and broad have played.
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Plumped for Sky Q with Sky Sports for my new house I move into this weekend to treat myself, I thought football and cricket - specifically The Ashes. Imagine my face today when I realise it’s on BT Sport…so annoying.
Anyway I’m on a 14 hour shift tomorrow so no late night cricket for me!
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First ball of the series - wicket.
Tone has well and truly been set.
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Well this has been a disastrous start.
I honestly think we’ll struggle to make 200 in each innings against such a quality bowling unit.
Cummins and Hazlewood are sublime
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Burns is awful. Never Test Quality wit a technique like that. I'd rather open with Buttler and take the game to them!
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Series over in two sessions.
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I'll be trying to squeeze as many hours in as possible - going to use my flexi to cater for the winter :).............
Used to love flexi time. Take hours off at fairly short notice and generally cancel time off at fairly short notice too.
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Stayed up for the first hour and it went as expected really, our top three batsmen has to be the worst top three we have sent out in test matches for many a decade
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Some of those dismissals though are extremely poor.
I have no idea where Rory Burns is walking to
Malan, Buttler and Stokes playing at deliveries that should have been left on length - though they did a good job of squaring Stokes up.
Woakes and Pope with unconvincing pulls. Robinson with his bat closer to Adelaide than his body. Wood looked aboslutely **** scared.
Root & Hameed got done with crackers to be honest.
Praying for rain already and we're only on day one!
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Jo's Buttler should open the batting and take the game to them. You know with Burns and Hameed it'll just be block, block, block and Aussies can have their 3 slips, gully and short leg.
Root is going to be batting at 20-2 all the time.
I don't have anytime for Silverwood, very limited in ideas and doesn't think outside the box.
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Nothing changes. We will lose this series 5-0. The same poor tame dismissals still keep on happening game after game after game. We have a very average coach in Silverwood, who lacks tactics or any game management.
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Some very good Aussie bowling: BUT
English team selection??
English decision from the toss?
English batsmen - early order quality - no doubts- just poor
English team inspired by captain??
Oh well here we go again same old problems same old issues same results - What did we expect? On a more optimistic note: England can still get something out of this:
.....................if it rains for the next three days
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Green wicket, overcast day, perfect bowling conditions, win toss and decide to bat, I don't get it
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Jo's Buttler should open the batting and take the game to them. You know with Burns and Hameed it'll just be block, block, block and Aussies can have their 3 slips, gully and short leg.
Root is going to be batting at 20-2 all the time.
I don't have anytime for Silverwood, very limited in ideas and doesn't think outside the box.
Jos Buttler is not and never will be a test match opener.
We have struggles with him in the middle order.
We tried the experiment of a one-day player opening the batting and it failed miserably.
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Struggles in middle order, Buttler was top scorer!
The Aussies are expecting us to block and we are, there is no pressure being put back on the bowlers.
Not saying I'm right, but I've watached Cricket for 30+ years and played in the Birmingham League.
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Struggles in middle order, Buttler was top scorer!
The Aussies are expecting us to block and we are, there is no pressure being put back on the bowlers.
Not saying I'm right, but I've watached Cricket for 30+ years and played in the Birmingham League.
Whoppy do. You know full well there had been concerns around Buttlers runs in the middle overs.
I quite frankly don't care where you played.
You have been jumping for Liam Livingstone to play despite averaging 11 last season. That's enough for me.
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22 hundreds I've got, quite rightly proud of it.
Yes Livingstone should be out there taking guard at the Gabba, taking the fight back to the bowlers.
That's what IT Botham used to do, the Englishman the Aussies were most scared about.....
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I’ve played a decent standard of cricket , brother played higher , Dad umpired at every level except for County Championsip including Birmingham League , County seconds etc and I can tell you Buttler is not an opener , Livingstone has done nothing in red ball cricket to warrant a test place . Indeed the worrying thing is it is very difficult to see who else should be included . Echo Liam over Silverwood just doesn’t fill me with any confidence
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I’ve played a decent standard of cricket , brother played higher , Dad umpired at every level except for County Championsip including Birmingham League , County seconds etc and I can tell you Buttler is not an opener , Livingstone has done nothing in red ball cricket to warrant a test place . Indeed the worrying thing is it is very difficult to see who else should be included . Echo Liam over Silverwood just doesn’t fill me with any confidence
Straight question is Burns in the top 6 best batsmen in the UK? For me he's not even as good as Jake Libby!
England are like a rabbit in the headlights, sometimes it's just best to take the game to the opposition and play without fear!
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Struggles in middle order, Buttler was top scorer!
The Aussies are expecting us to block and we are, there is no pressure being put back on the bowlers.
Not saying I'm right, but I've watached Cricket for 30+ years and played in the Birmingham League.
Opening bat for Cardinal Newman R.C.School! otherwise known as Stonewall Jackson.
Claim to fame - blocked Handsworth New Rd opening bowler to submission- I bored him to tears, carried my bat with a 5 not out!
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Straight question is Burns in the top 6 best batsmen in the UK? For me he's not even as good as Jake Libby!
England are like a rabbit in the headlights, sometimes it's just best to take the game to the opposition and play without fear!
Doubtful whether he’s in the best 6 at Surrey ! Even if he was he is nowhere near good enough to be consistent at Test Level however most of those ahead of him have been tried and failed my best guess is Yates at Warwick and perhaps Clarke at Notts will be next in-line but it will be better to blood them in home series . Haven’t noticed who’s on the B tour as openers possibly Crawley ?
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What you need in an opening bat at test level is orthodoxy in technique and the ability to graft runs all around the wicket. Burns doesn't have the first and Sibley had neither.
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Problem is neither do any others .
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I had it as a 4-1 Aussie win prior to today but might revise that to a white wash now.
Burns might not be a test level batsmen but he had a decent summer and I'm not convinced anyone will do any better. Sibley, Crawley and Bracey all struggled despite looking ok in 1st class cricket.
The issue is we don't have any decent domestic options in the pipeline. The same thing will likely happen to Yates and Lees if they step up.
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First hour down and the Aussies have lost one wicket.
Really could have been two or three. Stokes had Warner but was called for a no ball.
Frustrating as Australia will fancy 400 at this rate.
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Leach is barely County standard never mind Test level.
2nd worse Test figures ever (behind Yasir Shah) for a bowler sending down 10+ overs.
Another great pick following on from Burns.
Silverwood, just go now.
Everyone knows what's coming, 5-0.
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If you've not already a few on here would quite enjoy reading this...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitting-Against-Spin-Cricket-Really/dp/147213124X
Might change your mind on a few preconceived ideas you have about test cricket and cricket in general.
As for England... we're toast already.
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If you've not already a few on here would quite enjoy reading this...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitting-Against-Spin-Cricket-Really/dp/147213124X
Might change your mind on a few preconceived ideas you have about test cricket and cricket in general.
As for England... we're toast already.
Have asked for that for Christmas. Glad to know it's good!
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Thought the bowlers were excellent in parts but it really has gone tits up. Major concerns regarding Leach going forward as they're clearly going to target him and he'll provide no support to the seamers.
the game is based on small margins and those no-ball wickets and dropped catches have cost us. Warner punished us with another 77 runs. Labuschange punished us because Root was too far back at first slip after his edge fell short.
That first session could very easily have been 66-3/4 as opposed to 100/1 or whatever it was.
The real big issue though irrespective of what happens with the ball is that we are not a good test outfit with the bat. I do not have any faith in us scoring past 200 throughout the series against such a good quality attack.
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Did I read that the no-ball tracker wasn't working, so Stokes bowled something like 14 no-balls that weren't called?
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Thought the bowlers were excellent in parts but it really has gone tits up. Major concerns regarding Leach going forward as they're clearly going to target him and he'll provide no support to the seamers.
the game is based on small margins and those no-ball wickets and dropped catches have cost us. Warner punished us with another 77 runs. Labuschange punished us because Root was too far back at first slip after his edge fell short.
That first session could very easily have been 66-3/4 as opposed to 100/1 or whatever it was.
The real big issue though irrespective of what happens with the ball is that we are not a good test outfit with the bat. I do not have any faith in us scoring past 200 throughout the series against such a good quality attack.
Totally agree with you Liam.
We have 6 excellent seamers - Wood, Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Robinson, Stokes.
We have 1 woeful spinner (surely Parkinson is better).
And we have a batting line up that's a collective failure, and won't deliver 250+ in any one innings this series.
The net result is a 5-0 humiliation.
You could say quality players are scarce but when Fletcher took over in 1999 we were bottom of Test rankings. What he did was identify players then work on a method to improve the team over a period.
What is Silverwood doing exactly?
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Totally agree with you Liam.
We have 6 excellent seamers - Wood, Broad, Anderson, Woakes, Robinson, Stokes.
We have 1 woeful spinner (surely Parkinson is better).
And we have a batting line up that's a collective failure, and won't deliver 250+ in any one innings this series.
The net result is a 5-0 humiliation.
You could say quality players are scarce but when Fletcher took over in 1999 we were bottom of Test rankings. What he did was identify players then work on a method to improve the team over a period.
What is Silverwood doing exactly?
The goalposts have been moved slightly . The game is far more shorttermism now with the introduction of the Test Championship which you have to qualify for based on results over two year period, along with more and more T20 /100 must make long term planning at test level much more difficult.Still agree Silverwood is pretty useless and showing no sign of any initiatives to improve us .
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I must have heard wrong ( I didn’t watch the first test). did Root win the toss and elect to bat with the ball swinging on a green wicket with the wicket forecasted to decay on the fourth day?
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Did I read that the no-ball tracker wasn't working, so Stokes bowled something like 14 no-balls that weren't called?
The technology had broken prior to the start of the test so it is only the wicket taking balls that are being checked.
Because the umpires were not calling them out he had bowled 14 no balls in the first session until his wicket delivery was reviewed which required him to review his run up.
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I must have heard wrong ( I didn’t watch the first test). did Root win the toss and elect to bat with the ball swinging on a green wicket with the wicket forecasted to decay on the fourth day?
Yes he did - won the toss and elected to bat first in overcast conditions against a top quality line up.
Rain had been forecast throughout the test but unfortunately that appears to have vanished and now it is a good pitch for bat and ball.
I think the issue of the toss at the Gabba is more a psychological issue as no England captain wants a repeat of Hussain’s dilemma and ever lasting scars.
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The white flags out already. Burns must be one of the poorest opening batsmen we have ever sent out to face the aussies.
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Stark who has bowled poorly so far gets a soft wicket after Hameed gloves it down the leg side.
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Brilliant performance overnight by Root & Co, given us a chance.
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Much better from Root and Malan. We need to bat the whole of tomorrow. Pivotal that Root and Malan are there to see off the new ball and protect the middle order.
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Could do with Root and Malan getting century knocks , I've just about got enough in me to watch the 1st practice session of the GP before I crash out.Hard work watching all this sport.
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Hey caravan, where can you watch and what time please.
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Hey caravan, where can you watch and what time please.
It was on Sky showcase channel 106 for me. It's a free channel and the 2nd practice is live at 12.45pm today.
Practice round 3 is at 9.45am tomorrow.
Qualifying is on at 12.00pm tomorrow
All on that channel.
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Thanks for that info mate,
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Thanks for that info mate,
No problem.
Other than that the qualifying highlights are on channel 4 Saturday and the face itself is live on C4.
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A very good fightback from Root and Malan. Still a long way to go but pleased we showed some fight and character.
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Brilliant from Root and Malan to get where they are, although the cynic in me expects the partnership to break within the first 5-10 overs tonight/tomorrow. Malan justifying his selection here, loads of pundits always want to see him dropped from all formats despite the stats suggesting he does a decent job. Isn't his record in Aus really good?
Hameed really needs to stop getting in and then getting out. He has something but he needs to start converting some big scores now.
As for Leach, he has been poorly managed this year. Very little cricket in the summer despite being in and around the squad can't have been good for his form. He isn't good enough no, we don't seme to have a Swanny in the pipeline at the moment, but had he been given more time in the middle this summer then maybe he would have been more prepared for this game.
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The white flags out already. Burns must be one of the poorest opening batsmen we have ever sent out to face the aussies.
It wasn't in Australia but he scored 390 runs against them in the home series in 2019 including one century. Fact is compare his record to others who've been tried as openers recently and he deserves to be there....remains to be seen if he can contribute some notable scores of course.
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England Lions bowled out for 103 against Australia A, none of the top 5 getting double figures ! >:(
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England Lions bowled out for 103 against Australia A, none of the top 5 getting double figures ! >:(
Yes noticed that. Michael Neser who was good for Glamorgan last summer did most of the damage.
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Such typical England to get my hopes up with Root and Malan getting into the 80s, before the inevitable collapse that followed.
We need to be able to post 400+ first innings totals and I can't see this lineup doing that
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Humiliating defeat.
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Donkeys - sorry real donkeys but you don't play cricket, and if you did you could probably bat and field better than this disgrace of an England crew.
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The Adelaide day nighter is now huge for a chance to get back in it. A fresh Anderson and Broad have to play, as does Robinson and probably Wood. The batting line-up - well the main options are those who've been tried and failed. They'll probably go with the same batting for this test on the basis that it's probably going to be the most English conditions they come across.
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I think this collapse has hurt more than any other. Absolutely ****poor
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Brilliant from Root and Malan to get where they are, although the cynic in me expects the partnership to break within the first 5-10 overs tonight/tomorrow. Malan justifying his selection here, loads of pundits always want to see him dropped from all formats despite the stats suggesting he does a decent job. Isn't his record in Aus really good?
Hameed really needs to stop getting in and then getting out. He has something but he needs to start converting some big scores now.
As for Leach, he has been poorly managed this year. Very little cricket in the summer despite being in and around the squad can't have been good for his form. He isn't good enough no, we don't seme to have a Swanny in the pipeline at the moment, but had he been given more time in the middle this summer then maybe he would have been more prepared for this game.
He averages 42 in Australia - nigh on double his average in England.
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Should have gone Christmas shopping lads.
That'd have cheered you up no end.
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England Lions toiled in the second innings with James Bracey getting a ton. Hopefully he continues his form if there are further Lions games this winter.
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Second test begins in the morning
I only expect one change with Anderson replacing Mark Wood. I don’t think we’ll go with both as neither have had any cricket in the build up unlike Robinson and Woakes who have some miles in the legs. Leach needs to start as the only spinner
No change with the batting
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Wrong choice of team, should have stuck with Leach. Adelaide always does a bit for the spinner and now we have Joe Root toiling away on day 1 with the Aussies 120/1. Will we ever learn?
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Wrong choice of team, should have stuck with Leach. Adelaide always does a bit for the spinner and now we have Joe Root toiling away on day 1 with the Aussies 120/1. Will we ever learn?
Absolutely stupid this is. Pathetic captaincy.
Our attack is catered around moving the ball under the lights, yet our over rates have been so slow by the time we get the new ball we will have virtually no time to bowl with it.
Aussies will declare tomorrow after tea and we'll have Starc bowling it round corners.
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Absolutely stupid this is. Pathetic captaincy.
Our attack is catered around moving the ball under the lights, yet our over rates have been so slow by the time we get the new ball we will have virtually no time to bowl with it.
Aussies will declare tomorrow after tea and we'll have Starc bowling it round corners.
The counter is that on this pitch Leach would have gone at 3 and over and we lose all control, it also puts more miles in the legs of the seamers.
Moot point now anyway as Australia are likely to get 300 which is pretty much us out of the game.
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Catches win matches and we simply don't take enough.
It's hard enough bowling to quality players like Labuschagne and Smith, it's nigh on impossible when you have to get them out two or three times an innings.
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What a disastrous day.
They're going to post an absolute mammoth score and we're going to have to bat at least three days.
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The counter is that on this pitch Leach would have gone at 3 and over and we lose all control, it also puts more miles in the legs of the seamers.
Moot point now anyway as Australia are likely to get 300 which is pretty much us out of the game.
What are the chances of our openers putting on a stand? Burns out LBW or nicked to slip
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What are the chances of our openers putting on a stand? Burns out LBW or nicked to slip
Hameed I think has looked handy since he's come back into the side. He's deserved a score, always seems to do the hard yards and then get out to a good ball. Something the Australians avoided today, with a little help from our catching.
Burns looks cooked at the moment. How many ducks in the last 12 months, he must be closing in on a record? The only other alternative is Zac Crawley, so Burns keeps his place by default.
If Smith and Labuschagne make it through the first session tomorrow, it could get ugly quickly.
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Catches apart today's tactics totally baffling considering team selection . If you're going to bowl short on a consistent basis why would you drop your quickest , best equipped bowler (Wood) to carry out the plan. I have said before Buttler isn't a test cricketer , nowhere near the best keeper and rarely in Tests produces a telling contribution with the bat. Not sure if thers a second keeper on the tour as Bairstow could do the job if needed
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Catches apart today's tactics totally baffling considering team selection . If you're going to bowl short on a consistent basis why would you drop your quickest , best equipped bowler (Wood) to carry out the plan. I have said before Buttler isn't a test cricketer , nowhere near the best keeper and rarely in Tests produces a telling contribution with the bat. Not sure if thers a second keeper on the tour as Bairstow could do the job if needed
Foakes if with the Lions, I believe?
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Foakes if with the Lions, I believe?
Not anymore - he's been sent home.
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Foakes if with the Lions, I believe?
He's the best keeper-batsmen we've got by far. Can only assume he's been sleeping with Mrs Silverwood. Bairstow and Buttler are certainly no better with the bat in test cricket and are inferior with the gloves.
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Catches apart today's tactics totally baffling considering team selection . If you're going to bowl short on a consistent basis why would you drop your quickest , best equipped bowler (Wood) to carry out the plan. I have said before Buttler isn't a test cricketer , nowhere near the best keeper and rarely in Tests produces a telling contribution with the bat. Not sure if thers a second keeper on the tour as Bairstow could do the job if needed
Regarding Wood, his body hasn't handled back to back tests too well in the past and that may well have come into it given he's the only speed merchant we have fit.
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Watching the cricket is mostly joyless at the moment
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Watching the cricket is mostly joyless at the moment
Doesn't help having two Aussie commentators.
Getting a tad embarrassing now.
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Starc's torture of us will continue with the ball i imagine. How long's left of the day, this whole day/night thing plus it being down under has me out of sync.
I was meant to be at this test watching :o
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Another poor day for English cricket.
We're going to get hammered. Again.
We've lost 11 of the last 12 test matches in Australia..
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Another awful batting collapse.
I've seen greatvstat today that shows the top 4 batsmen over the kast 5 years for India, Australia and New Zealand have all averaged over 40. In that time we have 1 person - Joe Root - averaging the same. Even of we adjust it for the arguably more difficult English pitches, you would only have 2 players with the required average (Ben Stokes).
This is the worst batting line up since the 90's.
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As with all series catching also makes a huge difference. Australia for now are catching almost everything while England are spilling 2 or 3 easy or good chances per innings.
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Root goes in the final over.
Be all done by the first session tomorrow knowing this rabble.
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Feel sorry for anyone who has paid good money to watch this shambles!
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What chance have we got when 50% of the team can't get double figures? Extras gave us as many runs than 5 batsmen.
Embarrassing.
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I had seen this post elsewhere so not had chance to double check it but it really hit home how poor this series has been so far.
We've bowled Australia out once in four innings
We've only scored more than 250 once
We've dropped 11 catches
We've bowled dozens of no-balls
But the more worrying one - we've had 49 ducks this calendar year - and we've one test to go
:o :o :o
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........we've had 49 ducks this calendar year - and we've one test to go
:o :o :o
Thank your lucky stars those ducks weren't in a row.
Still, there's always next year ;D .
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In 13 innings in India and Australia this year, England have managed a score of over 300 only once and that was our first innings of those 13.
I’ve had a look at the “bad old days†of the 90’s and even then, scores of 300 plus were commonplace for Atherton and Hussain led teams.
So, is this the worst England test batting line up of the modern era?
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I'm disappointed to see David 'Bumble' Lloyd has left Sky Sports after 22 years.
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I'm disappointed to see David 'Bumble' Lloyd has left Sky Sports after 22 years.
He was more entertaining than the England cricket team.
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They are an appalling batting line up in this format of the game - there is also very little coming through so we’re going to have to suffer the same failures for many years to come. We’ll just continue to shuffle the decks as we’ve done with Pope and Crawley whilst managing to post reasonable scores against those poorer nations.
It’s also the 12th time this year that we’ve failed to post a score above 200. Those are shocking numbers for one of the powerhouses within the game.
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I don't think the schedule can have helped. They have spent nearly 13 months solid playing cricket, usually away from home in CoVID bio bubbles and in test matches atleast having to play the 3 best teams in the world - 2 of them away.
I fully expect more runs next year vs the West Indies and South Africa and I hope in future we have a few more winnable tests in between the tough games to try to get our failing batsmen in form.
The ECB have failed this generation though. Where is the contingency plan? I'm in the age bracket now where most test crickets will have beenbjust coming to the end of their prime. I didn't play any meaningful cricket at school and neither did my mates at nearby schools. No wonder we have a lack of good cricketers available to select from. The ECB failed to react to the drop off in school sport that took place in the late 90s.
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Looks like their’s a positive CoVID case in the England travelling party. Strong possibility the third test is over without having to be bowled out for 180 in the second innings.
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Meh, it’s back on. It’s the hope that kills you ;D
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Some fantastic bowling from Anderson in this first session. Like watching him in his prime.
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Seriously think that the tour should be stopped after the 3rd test? As it's just psychological bullying to continue the torment
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31/4 at the close of the day. Absolutely pathetic.
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In fairness that last over was brutal from Starc and Cummins. Having been very critical of Englands batting I will say I don’t think any side could have come through that unscathed added to the unlucky dismissal of Malan . Perhaps the biggest problem to day was letting Australias last couple of wickets addd nearly 50 runs in a relatively low scoring game . 220 all out would have been an awful lot better than 260+ , harsh maybe but that’s the nature of test cricket
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James Anderson was a genius. One of the best spells of bowling you will see.
Cummins and Starc are not genuine tail Enders like we’re littered with. Both are reasonable with the bat and possess respectable averages.
We could easily say we took the last four wickets for 60 runs. No shame in that.
That should not be the focus given the brittleness that runs within our batting line up.
Anderson was bang on to diplomatically call them out.
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James Anderson was a genius. One of the best spells of bowling you will see.
Cummins and Starc are not genuine tail Enders like we’re littered with. Both are reasonable with the bat and possess respectable averages.
We could easily say we took the last four wickets for 60 runs. No shame in that.
That should not be the focus given the brittleness that runs within our batting line up.
Anderson was bang on to diplomatically call them out.
I didn't see that, what did he say?
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No team would have survived that session unscathed added to Malans dismissal which is a poor on field decision it wasn’t despite the score the worst effort of the tour . How many runs do you think Starc and Cummins would have got facing Starc and Cummins ?
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I didn't see that, what did he say?
He said it was disappointing ? Very diplomatic !
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I think this batting line-up is as bad as the mid 90's batting line up. I must admit I have lost interest and I usually love the ashes whether we win or lose, but this is just depressing.
We bowl well, then the batting lets us down.
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I didn't see that, what did he say?
It was something along the lines of praising how hard the bowlers had worked to restrict them to the score we did and that it was “very disappointing†that we lost four wickets. He then referenced that he understood how hard they were working to improve their game.
When he was asked about the cohesion between the two units he said he didn’t know what cohesion meant ;D
He also made some comments in his article in the Telegraph last week following Roots comments of blaming the bowlers.
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No team would have survived that session unscathed added to Malans dismissal which is a poor on field decision it wasn’t despite the score the worst effort of the tour . How many runs do you think Starc and Cummins would have got facing Starc and Cummins ?
This is test match cricket - I expect a ferocious session with an hour remaining of play. It’s exactly what ashes cricket is about.
Regardless of how good the bowling from the Aussies were, this is a brittle batting line up and despite this being one of their better efforts we’ve ended it four down.
The question you’ve asked is irrelevant to the discussion - there has been occasions where our bowling to tail enders has been poor but today wasn’t one of them. And I don’t class them as tail Enders to be honest given their technique and respectable averages.
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2 wickets gone in the first 20 minutes.
Utter embarrassment this tour.
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Make that 3 in 30 minutes.
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The women would've put up a better show than this lot.
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Well it looks like Root's comments about the bowlers has come back to haunt him.
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That innings has also picked up some pretty unwanted records.
A million times worse than 2017 and on a par if not worse than the whitewash of 06/07
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Joe Root has over 1700 runs this year. The second highest run total this year is Rory Burns with 530. Joe Root had over 530 runs by February 6th.
Other than Root, only 1 other batsmen has averaged o er 30 runs - Dawid Malan.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that without Joe Root, this batting line up would struggle to get runs vs Ireland, Zimbabwe or Afghanistan. Thank god for our bowling attack.
The West Indies will probably white wash us in March.
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South Africa are the latest side to post a sub 200 total in their first innings at home today, despite the pitch seeming to be fairly batting friendly when India's top order were at the crease.
Following on from England's struggles and Bangladesh & New Zealand also posting sub 100 totals THIS MONTH (the first time ever for 3 teams in one month I believe), it does make you question if Test cricket skills are now a thing of the past in the Twenty/20 franchise cricket era.
If I have my maths right, there have been 32 innings (33 if you count the short Aussie run chase a few weeks ago) in International Test Cricket in the last 2 months involving England, Australia, India, New Zealand, Pakistan, Bangladesh, South Africa, West Indies and Sri Lanka. Only on 2 occasions have a side managed to score over 400 - both times being Australia.
Maybe its rose tinted glasses but i'm sure scores of 400+ were standard 15 years ago.
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The two tier approach to cricket has certainly become more evident in recent years. Those minor countries are not interested in test cricket as it has no financial rewards for them unless England or India come to town and as such the players flog themselves as one day specialists.
We are very much in a era of four or five genuine test playing nations and the quality of some of those from a batting unit continues to decrease aside from India.
I do however have to admire New Zealand cricket. For their relative minor finances, their smaller population they have managed to find a balance between red and white ball cricket. Test champions and finalists in both T20 and 50 over World Cup competitions. It is not inconceivable that England can manage the same.
However, our problems are that deep rooted I’m not sure the best way of addressing them at the moment. Nor do I believe that either Giles or the ECB are the ones to administer it.
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Don't really follow the cricket and I haven't been keeping tabs with the thread. One observation though. I couldn't get over just how big and physically powerful the Australian cricketers looked in comparison to our scrawny disheveled looking lot. A rabble devoid of confidence and any kind of physical, mental or emotional resilience.
They looked utterly done. The last thing any of them need for a few weeks is any more cricket. I prescribe some time off, a few beers and some rest to recharge the batteries before starting all over again on basic cricketing technique and doing some weights. The mightiest of Bothams would have been nothing if anchored by the weakest of Roots.
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Only just seen the limited overs squad for the West Indies tour. Pleased that none of the Ashes squad are going on the tour - they should be rested for the test series in March. A few names I'm not as familiar with but pleased to see Phil Salt put the "Wales" in the England and Wales cricket team.
Eoin Morgan, Moeen Ali, Tom Banton, Sam Billings, Liam Dawson, George Garton, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Saqib Mahmood, Tymal Mills, David Payne, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, Phil Salt, Reece Topley, James Vince
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Only just seen the limited overs squad for the West Indies tour. Pleased that nine of the Ashes squad are going on the tour - they should be rested for the test series in March. A few names I'm not as familiar with but pleased to see Phil Saly put the "Wales" in the Englanf and Wales cricket team.
Eoin Morgan, Moeen Ali, Tom Banton, Sam Billings, Liam Dawson, George Garton, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Saqib Mahmood, Tymal Mills, David Payne, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, Phil Salt, Reece Topley, James Vince
I think the West Indies T20 series starts extremely soon after the Ashes finish like 4 days later - there are also T20s and ODIs lined up against Australia after the Ashes I think. Didn't realise Salt was Welsh but happy to claim him - he seems to have moved around quite a bit in his life with his family moving to Barbados when he was 10.
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Only just seen the limited overs squad for the West Indies tour. Pleased that none of the Ashes squad are going on the tour - they should be rested for the test series in March. A few names I'm not as familiar with but pleased to see Phil Salt put the "Wales" in the England and Wales cricket team.
Eoin Morgan, Moeen Ali, Tom Banton, Sam Billings, Liam Dawson, George Garton, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Saqib Mahmood, Tymal Mills, David Payne, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, Phil Salt, Reece Topley, James Vince
Good chance for some of them to put their names forward.
Glad to see George Garton included - he was impressive in the Hundred for Southern Brave and has done well in the limited over competitions abroad.
Salt, Roy, Vince, Morgan, Livingstone, Ali, Billings, Rashid, Garton, Mahmood, Mills is how I would go
Though I suspect Jordan and Banton will feature over Salt & Garton.
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Good chance for some of them to put their names forward.
Glad to see George Garton included - he was impressive in the Hundred for Southern Brave and has done well in the limited over competitions abroad.
Salt, Roy, Vince, Morgan, Livingstone, Ali, Billings, Rashid, Garton, Mahmood, Mills is how I would go
Though I suspect Jordan and Banton will feature over Salt & Garton.
Yeah it sort of demonstrates the problem though - it is a good chance to put their names forward for short form inclusion but we will learn next to zilch about their potential test credentials.
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Just bring them home, it's a total embarrassment to cricket.
The last 53 balls of that session went for no runs and cost three wickets.
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At least Stokes and Bairstow have finally had a positive run. Woods too. But then Buttler goes for that soft soft catch.
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Brilliant century from Bairstow, while Wood becomes the first batsmen to score 3 6's off Cummins in an innings. Also a nod to Ben Stokes who seems to be finding his way back into it again now.
I still think we need to bat the majority of the morning session tomorrow if we want a draw, but atleast there is hope of us avoiding the whitewash now and the chance to make the giddy heights of a 300 score/5th day.
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Brilliant century from Bairstow, while Wood becomes the first batsmen to score 3 6's off Cummins in an innings. Also a nod to Ben Stokes who seems to be finding his way back into it again now.
I still think we need to bat the majority of the morning session tomorrow if we want a draw, but atleast there is hope of us avoiding the whitewash now and the chance to make the giddy heights of a 300 score/5th day.
Bairstow batted well. I still maintain he's not good enough to bat in the top five of a decent test side. Would like to see him given the gloves over Buttler moving forwards if we're going to ignore our best wicket keeper in Ben Foakes.
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Bairstow batted well. I still maintain he's not good enough to bat in the top five of a decent test side. Would like to see him given the gloves over Buttler moving forwards if we're going to ignore our best wicket keeper in Ben Foakes.
They've drafted Sam Billings in for the 5th test so I think its safe to say where Foakes is in the pecking order.
Sheer ignorance and pandering to the ego's of those who continuously fail at this level.
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They've drafted Sam Billings in for the 5th test so I think its safe to say where Foakes is in the pecking order.
Sheer ignorance and pandering to the ego's of those who continuously fail at this level.
Is that more down to the fact that Billings is already in Australia though having played in the big bash? Neither Buttler nor Bairstow will be dropped for the 5th test anyway so Billings is likely only a lazt resort option. Were it the West Indies test I'd expect them to pick Foakes over Billings.
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Almost certainly going to be without Stokes in final test , best case he will only play asa batsman. It’s also possible Bairstows whack on the thumb could turn out to be more serious than first thought I.e busted so Billings likely to be called in as a cover
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Stokes is worth a place in the squad as a middle order batsman either way, but if it's an injury that needs managing then there is no point in running him in to the ground like webhave with Archer. Billings and Lawrence can be brought in if really needed for Bairstow and Stokes. Lawrence really should have been given another chance by now, even if they don't rate Lawrence technique for the long term.
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Is that more down to the fact that Billings is already in Australia though having played in the big bash? Neither Buttler nor Bairstow will be dropped for the 5th test anyway so Billings is likely only a lazt resort option. Were it the West Indies test I'd expect them to pick Foakes over Billings.
That’s one of the reasons for his inclusion but Foakes was one of the travelling party that was sent home some weeks ago.
There’s injuries to Bairstow, Buttler and Stokes so I would expect Woakes and Billings to replace them if injured. I think we’ll persevere with Stokes as a batsman but opt for Woakes as an all rounder whose not been bad with the bat.
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Interesting that Bangladesh have convincingly won the first test match in New Zealand (would we manage that ?).
NZ without Williamson but with their full pace attack. Seems Bangladesh have a decent young side.
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That’s one of the reasons for his inclusion but Foakes was one of the travelling party that was sent home some weeks ago.
There’s injuries to Bairstow, Buttler and Stokes so I would expect Woakes and Billings to replace them if injured. I think we’ll persevere with Stokes as a batsman but opt for Woakes as an all rounder whose not been bad with the bat.
In the games he has played Woakes has been one of the better batsmen.
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In the games he has played Woakes has been one of the better batsmen.
Hope he can open the batting :D
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Hope he can open the batting :D
Doubt it Liam, But if they pay me first class air fare and chuck in a few tinnies I reckon I'm in with a chance of being better than what we have. Specially wi me new specs, painkillers and walking stick :D
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We’ve managed to bat out the day! 102 overs. About time we saw a bit of fight.
Zak Crawley has also guaranteed himself the next twelve months following his impressive knock of 70+.
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Stayed up for this on radio. Proper test match excitement and a better performance overall, but only papers over the cracks. Crawley if he keeps this up can be the future, but he will have setbacks in the future as he has in the past and will need support. We are still also so dependant on the old warhorses.
Nothing so far gives me any confidence in the leadership on or off the field. Poor decision making has played its part in our defeats nearly as much as poor shots. Our spin bowling has also suffered from poor handling. Leach played well here but the previous lack of trust with field placings has cost him and the team.
We have been well beaten by a better all round set up and team, but have shown in this last game only, the sort of fight that ought to have been there from the start of the series. Changes needed at the top for me.
What are you guys doing for the next few years ? Liam, and the rest of us I think might be able to do better than the present incumbents. :D
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We’ve managed to bat out the day! 102 overs. About time we saw a bit of fight.
Zak Crawley has also guaranteed himself the next twelve months following his impressive knock of 70+.
Go on the Kent man :D
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On the upside, we remain undefeated this year 8)
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What are you guys doing for the next few years ? Liam, and the rest of us I think might be able to do better than the present incumbents. :D
I think you heading out to bat with your walking stick will be an improvement on some of the batting I’ve seen across the last couple of years ;D
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Listened from 6 am after being woken up. Brilliant effort from Stooes and Bairstow, while the tail desevre credit for seeing it out (but what was that last Smith delivery?).
Crawley will have justified the selectors decision (in their minds), although a one off score of 70 plus isn't enough for me personally. Hopefully he continues it in the 5th test though.
Sounds like there will be a couple of changes for the final test. Pope will replace Butler after his good glovework on the 4th day and I'm hoping we are sensible and don't further injur Stokes and Bairstow - give Lawrence and Billings the bat for a couple of innings if needed.
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Sounds like we had Australia on the ropes but let them off with a dropped catch while Labuschagne was on 0, and then Head has taken the game away from up along with Green.
I know it's easy to say, but I feel like if England were in the same situation, we wouldn't get a 100 out of Pope at the moment
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In a series where Steve Smith has barely averaged 30, we've still been well out scored. Travis Head could barely buy a run in the County Championship.
Why is our FC competition so much better at producing Australian test match players than English ones? ;D
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Chris Woakes wouldn’t get into this side for his batting alone, however he has outscored Ollie Pope in 4 of the 5 innings they have shared this series. I’m really struggling with the continued selection of Pope without any grand plan. To me you either invest in him in terms of correcting his issues via hands on coaching (something it seems isn’t the current vogue for English cricket coaches who prefer a hands off approach), or you send him to play a season of Sheffield Shield Cricket alongside the county championship and bring him back in 2023. This isn’t helping him at the moment.
As for the rest, Australia have managed to get a centurion in 5 of their last 9 innings. We have the 1. That will be the story of the series. Far better than us not just with the bat, but now the ball as well.
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Chris Woakes wouldn’t get into this side for his batting alone, however he has outscored Ollie Pope in 4 of the 5 innings they have shared this series. I’m really struggling with the continued selection of Pope without any grand plan. To me you either invest in him in terms of correcting his issues via hands on coaching (something it seems isn’t the current vogue for English cricket coaches who prefer a hands off approach), or you send him to play a season of Sheffield Shield Cricket alongside the county championship and bring him back in 2023. This isn’t helping him at the moment.
As for the rest, Australia have managed to get a centurion in 5 of their last 9 innings. We have the 1. That will be the story of the series. Far better than us not just with the bat, but now the ball as well.[/b]
Think you have called that right Baggies, but I would also add leadership to that list, both on and off the field of play
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Lost 5 wickets for 33 runs.
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That was an embarrassment
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That was an embarrassment
All 10 wickets for 56 runs. John Bishop said the other day Amazon are looking for drivers.
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They have obviously booked earlier flights to return home…
This is the lowest ebb. It will not get any lower than this.
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I think it's time for the ECB to stop chasing money in every little thing it does and instead start thinking about how they make the side better.
We play more international cricket than any other nation and have put the players through a ton of mental fatigue with bio bubble after bio bubble these last few years. We also play tougher sides than any other top nation.
England last played in Balngladesh in 2016/2017.
England last hosted Bangladesh in 2010
England last hosted Sri Lanka in 2017
England haven't faced Zimbabwe since 2003
England haven't ever faced Afghanistan
In the same period:
India have done one of the above four times
Pakistan four times
New Zealand four going on five times
South Africa five times
Only the Aussies come close (twice in the same period) and yet they have barely travelled, instead playing home tests and much less cricket, plus had plans to fit in less lucrative ties vs easier opposition before cancelling.
This is arguably the worst red ball England side in my lifetime, but it isn't helped by the conditions they are playing in and the relentless opposition. It's time we started fitting in a 2 match Bangladesh tour in between Australia and India and it's time we hosted the likes of Sri Lanka more often. It would do players like Crawley, Sibley, Buttler, Hameed, Pope, Malan and Foakes the world of good to get some scores on the board.
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68/0 to 124 all out. Nothing short of a disgrace!
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Just thought id put this on here for a bit of a laugh!
In a shock move, English Cricket Board have announced Tennis World No 1 Novak Djokovic as temporary Batting Coach.
' We acknowledge he doesn't have a background in our sport but we could not overlook the fact it took Australia two weeks to get him out'.
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:) There had to be a Novak joke in there somewhere ! .....not sure he'd do any worse really.
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Baggies makes some good points and I think the point of playing too much cricket is a good one.
Getting scores on the board for Malan, Burns, Hameed, Pope & co might be good for their records but it just covers the deficiencies of those individuals and with many of the players coming into the test side and potentially provide a full sense of security. They will still continue to falter against those tier ones test nations.
It is more concerning that our level in test match cricket is starting to match the nations of those who no longer give two hoots about this format.
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Just a general cricket question as not knowledgeable on it.
Is the red ball - worldwide - a dying sport and the ugly sister to the casual sports fan compared to the popularity of white ball game? As I pose that question, you can guess my opinion. What could be done to change this?
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Just a general cricket question as not knowledgeable on it.
Is the red ball - worldwide - a dying sport and the ugly sister to the casual sports fan compared to the popularity of white ball game? As I pose that question, you can guess my opinion. What could be done to change this?
I apologise for the length of the post but when I get on my long run I cannot stop.
The red ball game is dying in Cricket and largely since the emergence of the smaller formats of the game.
The traditional element and the pinnacle of being a good Cricketer is always to have demonstrated your worth in test cricket. However the weight of importance on that continues to reduce.
However, those shorter formats now provide luxaries to individuals that test cricket cannot provide. You could earn a small fortune in six weeks in the IPL, Big Bash, PSL, CSL that test cricket can simply not provide. In effect, we have players now who trade themselves as white ball specialists and earning themselves a small fortune.
Test Cricket has a number of issues - in England primarily its affordability which is knocking on £90+ a day and does not cater to new fans. I pay it - because I love it - but my mates refuse to part that much and instead prefer £20 for a few hours entertainment in the Vitality Blast.
The hours of the day also pose a problem in other parts of the world - people in the West Indies are not going to part with their hard earned to watch them face Sri Lanka during the middle of the day - we definitely need to be more innovative with our scheduling. Utilising those day night test matches at affordable costs to support the game in the West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and so forth.
Cricket has accessibility issues in that we marginalise ourselves from the state comprehensives for the private schools. As a younger member of the forum our cricket lessons lasted a couple of weeks if that. There are then a lack of programmes to get promising individuals into wider training programmes to hone their skills.
There is no time in the schedule for test cricket such is the variety of white ball tournments available - in the decade of 2010-2019 there were 30 fewer test matches played compared to the decade before. Zimbabwe, WI, South Africa were mainly the reasons behind those.
And with an ever growing schedule - the real exponents and learning grounds for test cricket have no space to compete. Our County Cricket season now starts in the dull, rainy skies of March, April & May where the ball moves all over the shop on poor pitches. Failing to produce platforms for batsman, spinners and fast bowlers to hone their skills. CC cannot be moved to better times in the summer because we have The hundred, Vitality Blast & Royal London cup fighting for the same space and air time.
We're getting to a three tier approach to test cricket and there is nothing that can be done to save that in my view whilst the shorter formats continue to make several of the more powerful nations incredibly richer.
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I apologise for the length of the post but when I get on my long run I cannot stop.........
Stopped reading there. Must have been a long post because it took absolutely ages to delete the rest of it ;D ;) .
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Feel your pain Liam. ( not yours Dan. I Like long posts, i write plenty so only fair to read em, and saves me having to change the page when I'm having me dinner.)
You make some great points Liam, and as a long time test match fan I see exactly what you are saying. I like the short formats too but would happily lose a few from the calendar to allow for a resurgence of proper summer county cricket, and five match tests. We will not improve greatly as a test nation until we have 'street fighters' from the council estates and state comps alongside the private school elites in the teams, so access is definitely an issue. Sadly the big problem though is that I see little really changing until it becomes too late, if then even.
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Must be the day for sackings
Ashley Giles SACKED as managing director of England's men's cricket in the wake of disastrous Ashes campaign in Australia
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Another one bites the dust
Chris Silverwood's time as England men's head coach is over.
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Another one bites the dust
Chris Silverwood's time as England men's head coach is over.
Should have gone first. Sooner the better now, abject failure on all counts
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Neither can have any qualms about those decisions either..
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Fully deserved as we have been nothing short of atrocious under their tenure
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Hopefully Gary Kirsten can be convinced to take the job. Won the 50-over World Cup with India, got South Africa to top of the test rankings and great reputation for developing players... god knows they need it.
First rate test career as well, so would command immediate respect. The outstanding candidate.
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Graham Thorpe, England Batting Coach has also been sacked
Really is a “Night of the long Knivesâ€
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Graham Thorpe, England Batting Coach has also been sacked
Really is a “Night of the long Knivesâ€
Very true!
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While I understand the decision, I will say that Giles was in charge as England won the ODI World Cup and became the best limited overs side in the world. How much he has has to do with it I don't know, his decisions of late have been poor, but he deserves some credit.
Silverwood however needed to go, he does seem to have taken us backwards and the test side is still the one most English fans care about more than others.
It would however be nice to see some deeper changes at the ECB level, until that happens the game will continue to decline.
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Any good young cricketers coming through not being given a chance?
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England lose to India in the final of the under 19 World Cup to round off a tough day as an England sports fan (not much to shout home about in the winter olympics either).
It's a good showing to get to the final, but India have now won more than any other nation and have 2 of the last 3 wins, and 4 in the last 8. Shows the amount of talent they have coming through, could seriously dominate world cricket for the next decade and beyond.
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Any good young cricketers coming through not being given a chance?
No batsmen that are guaranteed being any better than those in situ. Maybe Clarke or Lees but the cupboard is pretty bare
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Any good young cricketers coming through not being given a chance?
In fairness this is not something I can criticise the ECB for - we’ve had a revolving door in terms of giving an opportunity to young cricketers.
The real issue is that the county circuit doesn’t provide a platform for young cricketers to improve their skills prior to entering the test environment.
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A big concern of mine is how the likes of Sibley , Hammeed , Burns etc have got this far with very poor techniques . I’m not one who believes I over coaching particularly at an early age but how senior coaches thought/ think you can succeed at the very highest level with a seriously flawed technique like these baffles me
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England have appointed Paul Collingwood as interim head coach for March's three-match Test tour of the West Indies 🏏.
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A big concern of mine is how the likes of Sibley , Hammeed , Burns etc have got this far with very poor techniques . I’m not one who believes I over coaching particularly at an early age but how senior coaches thought/ think you can succeed at the very highest level with a seriously flawed technique like these baffles me
Yeah it's a tricky one though. They obviously arrive in county cricket with those techniques and have scored a lot of runs with those techniques. I'm not sure the England coach can say we are not going to pick you if you bat like that - he can make that choice though. To change someone like Sibley would be a pretty major job and might even mess up his game at County level.
Maybe it shows that the quality of the analysis by other sides and/or execution of plans by opposing bowlers at County level are well short of where they should be because as soon as they get to test level their techniques are being dissected in the media and by opposing camps....and the bowlers are that much better at executing plans.
Good luck to Collingwood - he's someone who made the absolute most of the ability he had (limited compared to some) to become a fully fledged test player. Maybe his determination will rub off.
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England have appointed Paul Collingwood as interim head coach for March's three-match Test tour of the West Indies 🏏.
I think this was always going to be the case - he should not be considered long term though as he's equally as culpable for what has happened within the last 12 months.
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For me, I would move heaven and earth to recruit Ricky Ponting as Englands next Head Coach and should we fail to secure his services, Justin Langer would be a very good alternative
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Whilst Justin Langer has a decent record with Australia I can't stand him and would hate if he were in charge of England
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Ponting has pretty limited coaching experience to say the least which would make appointing him a gamble. Where we are at I think we need proven test match coaching background and someone who will demand that priority and resources are given to the Test side.
Langer does have the credentials. There's evidently been some unrest in the Aussie camp under him but this hasn't stopped them winning the T20 world cup and demolishing us in the Ashes.
Gary Kirsten would seem the most sensible choice.
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I wouldn't want Langer really. He has been successful but it seems he rubbed the Aussie players up the wrong way and as a journo I follow pointed out, all of the England and Aussie players are mates nowadays and will talk.
Not sure who I would go with, but I'd prefer to see the 2 roles split (test and ODI). Maybe get Jayawardene in for the limited overs side and then a Kirsten type for the tests?
It's all a bit academic though, long term we need to fix the player pathways. While it isn't quite Rugby Union levels of bad, our Cricket side is still ridiculously reliant on the public school scene and until that changes, the England coach will be picking from a very small pool.
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I wouldn't want Langer really. He has been successful but it seems he rubbed the Aussie players up the wrong way and as a journo I follow pointed out, all of the England and Aussie players are mates nowadays and will talk.
Not sure who I would go with, but I'd prefer to see the 2 roles split (test and ODI). Maybe get Jayawardene in for the limited overs side and then a Kirsten type for the tests?
It's all a bit academic though, long term we need to fix the player pathways. While it isn't quite Rugby Union levels of bad, our Cricket side is still ridiculously reliant on the public school scene and until that changes, the England coach will be picking from a very small pool.
I remember reading 4 or 5 years ago that Jimmy Anderson and Ben Stokes were the only non public school products in the England squad. I'm not sure if one or two others have crept through since. I'm pretty sure the likes of Moeen Ali and Rashid will have come through different paths.
I'd also be interested to know the make up of the England under 18s squad now. The wicket keeper batsman Alex Horton is from Newbridge in South Wales and from a working class background. Kiran Carlson at Glamorgan who was one of the leading run scorers in County cricket last year, went to Whitchurch High School Cardiff (famously the same school as Gareth Bale, Sam Warburton, Geraint Thomas), not a public school but a school that gives sport and nurturing talent high importance.
There is still that feeling though in Wales and no doubt other parts of the UK that it's still a big advantage to have come through the private school system as a lot of England's former players and administrators will have.
Sometimes lads need strong parental interest and also need to be lucky with the attitude and facilities of their local club etc. to fight their way through.
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I think we need to set out how we intend to move going forwards.
We currently have no infrastructure within the ECB.
There is no director of cricket, no head coach and the role of the selector was incorporated within the head coach role.
I think we need to determine whether we're going to bring back a national selector - and then who the head coach will be off that.
I'm not sure Ponting or Langer will fancy a role which requires them to dedicate most of their lives to County Cricket, as Silverwood did.
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James Anderson & Stuart Broad left out of England squad for West Indies tour
Disappointed for both of them, but we have to give new talent the opportunity as they are the future
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James Anderson & Stuart Broad left out of England squad for West Indies tour
Disappointed for both of them, but we have to give new talent the opportunity as they are the future
Just asking the question here and it's simple. Why not use their valuable experience as Advisors/coaches?
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Just asking the question here and it's simple. Why not use their valuable experience as Advisors/coaches?
That’s not a bad shout 👍
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Not sure I'd have made the same calls the selectors have made, even if you can see the logic. It isn't like we have a football world cup cycle to plan for, each test series matters so the here and now should always be in the fore front of selectors mins, but it looks like the next Ashes series is still a heavy influence on each and every decision.
Jimmy Anderson is our best fit and available bowler. It's that simple. There should be a place on tour for him if he wants it. Broad is a different case with his powers having waited but even he is worth a place if judged on merit. On the others dropped, I'm pleased they have been brave with Buttler, but Burns can count himself unlucky and the 2nd highest run scorer in 2021. Hameed should go back to county cricket for another year or two, while Malan now looks likenhe was purely a down under specialist pick.
I can't say much about those who have come in. The bowling attack looks weak, but I'm glad to see Foakes back.
Seems in Pope and Crawley the selectors have gone again with the view they have "potential", even if I'm not convinced.
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Just asking the question here and it's simple. Why not use their valuable experience as Advisors/coaches?
They carry an awful lot of presence and both have been vocal in calling our Root, Silverwood and the batsman (rightly or wrongly) across the last couple of months.
I think Strauss wants a reset without them without their lingering presence as a distraction.
Though not picking two bowlers with 1000 wickets between then is an unwelcome distraction.
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As for the overall squad - can't help but think our bowling looks extremely weak to be honest. Woakes has a very poor average abroad but has the benefit of a dukes ball so will spear head the attack. Mahmood is high end 80s whereas Robinson and Fisher are similar bowlers in terms of their style and craft.
There is no genuine number three either so either Root has to sacrifice himself or Bairstow or Pope are going to require batting at three. That probably wouldn't be much of an issue now Bairstow will not have the gloves
Lees, Crawley, Bairstow, Root, Stokes, Foakes, Woakes, Robinson, Fisher, Wood, Parkinson
I think we need to be careful as to how we use Stokes to be honest - the way he was utilised in the Ashes was ridiculous so I'd include him moreso as a batsman than a bowler.
The other alternative is Pope ahead of Fisher as our batting does look light when you consider that top three
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The England batting is tripe. On field Leadership and decision making is of dubious quality. Keeping and fielding have not been of test standard. So what is the answer? I know drop the only two guys who have been anywhere, near the required quality, and who if listened to, may have some ideas, based on experience, about how to go about winning particular games.
The batting is broken so they mess about with the bowling....Haven't they done well? ::)
Test match cricket is about winning, and England desperately need some wins, it is not about giving the lads a go. You pick your best eleven. I do not care how old they are, they are our best two seamers, without either of them we cannot pick our best eleven. :'(
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The England batting is tripe. On field Leadership and decision making is of dubious quality. Keeping and fielding have not been of test standard. So what is the answer? I know drop the only two guys who have been anywhere, near the required quality, and who if listened to, may have some ideas, based on experience, about how to go about winning particular games.
The batting is broken so they mess about with the bowling....Haven't they done well? ::)
Test match cricket is about winning, and England desperately need some wins, it is not about giving the lads a go. You pick your best eleven. I do not care how old they are, they are our best two seamers, without either of them we cannot pick our best eleven. :'(
Thats a seriously good summation of things, well done Woden.
Can we send this to Mr Strauss please.
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They carry an awful lot of presence and both have been vocal in calling our Root, Silverwood and the batsman (rightly or wrongly) across the last couple of months.
I think Strauss wants a reset without them without their lingering presence as a distraction.
Though not picking two bowlers with 1000 wickets between then is an unwelcome distraction.
Point taken Liam. But in my opinion i would rather somebodies criticism than them just saying something like 'Unlucky lads better luck next time'.
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As for the overall squad - can't help but think our bowling looks extremely weak to be honest. Woakes has a very poor average abroad but has the benefit of a dukes ball so will spear head the attack. Mahmood is high end 80s whereas Robinson and Fisher are similar bowlers in terms of their style and craft.
There is no genuine number three either so either Root has to sacrifice himself or Bairstow or Pope are going to require batting at three. That probably wouldn't be much of an issue now Bairstow will not have the gloves
Lees, Crawley, Bairstow, Root, Stokes, Foakes, Woakes, Robinson, Fisher, Wood, Parkinson
I think we need to be careful as to how we use Stokes to be honest - the way he was utilised in the Ashes was ridiculous so I'd include him moreso as a batsman than a bowler.
The other alternative is Pope ahead of Fisher as our batting does look light when you consider that top three
Yeah that batting does look a bit light Liam. Assuming Stokes starts fully fit I think he has to be the 4th seamer but agree he shouldn't be asked to bang it in short for long periods even if Wood isn't in the side. I would have retained Malan to bat at 3. It generally hasn't gone well with Bairstow any higher than 5. Ah while typing I just spotted that Root has 'categorically said he wants to bat at 3'.
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Thats a seriously good summation of things, well done Woden.
Can we send this to Mr Strauss please.
The issue is when they go. What do we do then?
There is an argument for trying to source their replacements now given one of them is nigh on 40
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The issue is when they go. What do we do then?
There is an argument for trying to source their replacements now given one of them is nigh on 40
I agree to some extent Liam but I still think it is more important at the moment that we win some test matches. Given our specific requirements regarding the batting I would argue we should be prioritising developing that area of the team.
Agree that any bowling replacement needs are imminent but they should have already been sourced by the time any incumbent is 40. If they are not better than a 40 year old seam bowler now, it's doubtful they ever will be.
Until the 40 year old is past it, you play your best team in test matches (surely anything else is disrespectful to opponents) and let potential replacements develop elsewhere. Although I do not have a clue where that 'elsewhere' might be, maybe A team tours replicating test match experience more closely? I think you are more likely to have better insight into this than I have though.
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Listening to David Lloyd on Talk Sport, he reckons that in the absence of any long term coaches Root will have had a big input into this selection. It does make you wonder if there is some dressing room conflict or atmosphere that has contributed to both Anderson and Broad being left out of this tour.
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Well Root blamed the bowlers after the batsmen made themselves look silly down under and the next test, after a brilliant bowling performance Anderson hit back with a dig of his own. It wouldn't be shocking to think that Root feels Anderson and Broad have too much sway.
If that is the reason for them being dropped, I'd be very unhappy. Anderson and Broad are two of our greatest cricketers ever and deserve more respect.
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It's not an easy one to work out and we can't really judge the dynamic within the dressing room.
Apart from Root who is also one of our greatest ever cricketers, our batting has been abject and rightly criticised, but outside of the sub-continent the pitches are nearly always bowler friendly these days. There wasn't one test in Australia where any batsman on either side will have felt like they were 'in' and set for a big score. It was more a case of toughing it out, riding luck and the quality of the opposing bowling comes into it. Australia were better in all departments.
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I agree to some extent Liam but I still think it is more important at the moment that we win some test matches. Given our specific requirements regarding the batting I would argue we should be prioritising developing that area of the team.
Agree that any bowling replacement needs are imminent but they should have already been sourced by the time any incumbent is 40. If they are not better than a 40 year old seam bowler now, it's doubtful they ever will be.
Until the 40 year old is past it, you play your best team in test matches (surely anything else is disrespectful to opponents) and let potential replacements develop elsewhere. Although I do not have a clue where that 'elsewhere' might be, maybe A team tours replicating test match experience more closely? I think you are more likely to have better insight into this than I have though.
I agree in developing that area of the side and I do not think English cricket had done enough to support that in recent years.
I would have taken Broad for the series and left Anderson at home and allowed him to spearhead an inexperienced attack. I do take the sound bites from the ECB that both are powerful members within the dressing room and that perhaps is an additional hindrance to an already failing batting unit.
I am supportive of A tours in general although they do not replicate the test environment. I think the ECB really needs to look at regular tours oversees for championship counties. There is no reason why Warwickshire for example cannot compete in foreign conditions in the Sheffield shield. It would be a chance for Rob Yates (our future opener), Sam Hain, Craig Miles and Liam Norwell to demonstrate their worth in different conditions.
Farbrace and Alec Stewart have spoken at length about how their roles at the Bears and Surrey respectively is geared around providing a successful group for the English national side. It’s imperative that players experience new surroundings.
The same applies to Fisher, Mahmood, Parkinson, Garton, Pope, Hameed, Lawrence, Crawley et al. All brought up on similar English decks but have not sampled cricket abroad well enough to improve their skills which will be of benefit to them and the English game.
When Rob Yates eventually gets his call up within the next few years, his first introduction to pace and spin will be in the test environment. We cannot keep expecting players to learn in that environment as it’s ruthless. They need to learn beforehand as it will equip them for the realities and struggles of test match cricket.
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Thanks Liam Great post. Have to agree with you on all of that. See that powerful voices in the dressing room, might be counter productive, but if Root has influenced the selection process to the detriment of the teams attacking options, because they might challenge him, then he has further convinced me he is not true captain material.
If we can get the counties into regular Winter tours abroad not only will it benefit English cricket development in the ways you describe, and also the counties themselves as clubs, but what an excuse for a few long distance 'away days (weeks)' for the support. Watching Warwickshire in Australia would give me a real reason to try and get there, or to get off me backside to return to watch them in Barbados or Antigua, where I have only visited the empty Kensington Oval and Sir Viv Stadiums. Would love to watch some Warwickshire games with the local old geezers who know more about English county cricket than I do. going to start saving me pension money just in case I am still alive when it happens :D
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A very on brand start in the cricket.
Four overs gone, 17-2 - both openers out.
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A very on brand start in the cricket.
Four overs gone, 17-2 - both openers out.
57/4 at lunch!
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57/4 at lunch!
145/5 at tea!
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145/5 at tea!
241/6 Jonny Bairstow 101 not out. Great comeback!
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241/6 Jonny Bairstow 101 not out. Great comeback!
Close of play 268/6.
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More of the standard top order woes, it doesn't really matter what combination we play it seems, we just don't have any players coming through - it doesn't say much for the South African youth system does it ;)
Bairstow is atleast saving our blushes. The only player to score centuries in the last how many tests now? I know many want to see him out of the squad but even with his mediocre average, he is worth his spot.
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More of the standard top order woes, it doesn't really matter what combination we play it seems, we just don't have any players coming through - it doesn't say much for the South African youth system does it ;)
Bairstow is atleast saving our blushes. The only player to score centuries in the last how many tests now? I know many want to see him out of the squad but even with his mediocre average, he is worth his spot.
He is better at batting at 6, than 3, that's for sure!
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It was a superb knock from Bairstow
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Day 2 collapse begins, 2 in 3 balls!
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Just 43 added, 311 all out. Hopefully there's something in this pitch for our bowlers, lets see.....
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Just 43 added, 311 all out. Hopefully there's something in this pitch for our bowlers, lets see.....
It’s flat as a pancake.
Overton and Woakes opening the bowling away from home?
Requiring a spinner we have no faith in after 8 overs.
Poor.
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It’s flat as a pancake.
Overton and Woakes opening the bowling away from home?
Requiring a spinner we have no faith in after 8 overs.
Poor.
Its got the making of a long couple of days in the field if that session is anything to go by!
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A couple of quick wickets and we are in to their soft middle order, so the bowling attack might get away with one here, but the poor start did get me looking at one stat that is a bit baffling.
We have dropped Broad and Anderson, despite them both still bowling to an acceptable level because in theory they are getting too old to be still leading the line in 18 months time. 2 of those playing today however are 33 year old Chris Woakes and 32 year old Mark Wood. Now sports science has come on and maybe both players have 2 years longer in them than Broad and Anderson have, but then neither are any where near as good as peak Broad and Anderson and so the 34-35 year old versions of Wood/Woakes likely have to retire from test cricket anyway around the same time.
It begs the question if Anderson and Broad only have a year left in their legs anyway, are Wokaes or Wood really going to last much longer than that?
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Woakes has also always been an awful bowler away from home, baffling he still gets selected for away tours. His away bowling average is 52, he shouldn't be close to tour squads yet alone leading the attack. What did they think was going to happen?
Root shouldn't be captain if he can't deal with Anderson/Broad, as seems to be the issue. Absolute insanity to promote the worst bowler from the Ashes to our lead bowler because he's a nice guy.
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Woakes has also always been an awful bowler away from home, baffling he still gets selected for away tours. His away bowling average is 52, he shouldn't be close to tour squads yet alone leading the attack. What did they think was going to happen?
Root shouldn't be captain if he can't deal with Anderson/Broad, as seems to be the issue. Absolute insanity to promote the worst bowler from the Ashes to our lead bowler because he's a nice guy.
I doubt it's because he's a nice guy. I think it's more likely it's because he can bat and they want protection for the shoddy top order.
Leach and Wood can survive in certain circumstances, but both are tailenders in my view. I don't know much about Overton's batting, nor Mahmood's, but Woakes can play as a legitimate bowling all rounder, and I daresay with how fragile our top order still is, that probably plays more on the minds of selectors
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Woakes has also always been an awful bowler away from home, baffling he still gets selected for away tours. His away bowling average is 52, he shouldn't be close to tour squads yet alone leading the attack. What did they think was going to happen?
Root shouldn't be captain if he can't deal with Anderson/Broad, as seems to be the issue. Absolute insanity to promote the worst bowler from the Ashes to our lead bowler because he's a nice guy.
Woakes' average on the last two tours before the Ashes was 25.71, perfectly respectable figures.
Root is able to 'deal' with Anderson & Broad, it's blindingly obvious that's not the issue.
Woakes wasn't the worst bowler in the Ashes, it was Stokes.
What makes you think he's the lead bowler? I would say Mark Wood and Ollie Robinson are the more likely.
With Anderson, Broad, Archer and Stone unavailable, it's not a difficult decision to play Woakes.
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Woakes' average on the last two tours before the Ashes was 25.71, perfectly respectable figures.
Root is able to 'deal' with Anderson & Broad, it's blindingly obvious that's not the issue.
Woakes wasn't the worst bowler in the Ashes, it was Stokes.
What makes you think he's the lead bowler? I would say Mark Wood and Ollie Robinson are the more likely.
With Anderson, Broad, Archer and Stone unavailable, it's not a difficult decision to play Woakes.
I'm guessing he said he's the lead bowler because he opened the bowling for us today. He took the new ball ahead of Wood
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I doubt it's because he's a nice guy. I think it's more likely it's because he can bat and they want protection for the shoddy top order.
Leach and Wood can survive in certain circumstances, but both are tailenders in my view. I don't know much about Overton's batting, nor Mahmood's, but Woakes can play as a legitimate bowling all rounder, and I daresay with how fragile our top order still is, that probably plays more on the minds of selectors
Absolutely crucial imo. Otherwise we end up with the ludicrous situation as in the Ashes of Wood batting at No.8 It must be in selectors thinking as it is the reason they have been so reluctant to pick their best wicket keeper for so long !
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There is no issue with Woakes being a third or fourth seamer on an away tour because as mentioned by both Mark and Hardtobeat, his efforts with the bat help to cover our batting problems.
That being said, I would not want Woakes as my leading seamer away from home. There is no justifiable reason for it given he's only two younger than a much fitter & better-skilled Stuart Broad.
And the fact I want Warwickshire to have a fit and firing Chris Woakes has no bearing on my decision ;D
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There is no issue with Woakes being a third or fourth seamer on an away tour because as mentioned by both Mark and Hardtobeat, his efforts with the bat help to cover our batting problems.
That being said, I would not want Woakes as my leading seamer away from home. There is no justifiable reason for it given he's only two younger than a much fitter & better-skilled Stuart Broad.
And the fact I want Warwickshire to have a fit and firing Chris Woakes has no bearing on my decision ;D
I want him dropped, the fact he is a Villa fan has no bearing on my decision ;D
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I want him dropped, the fact he is a Villa fan has no bearing on my decision ;D
Admittedly I have learned to somehow overlook that part across the last few years ;D
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Mark Wood wont bowl again this innings due to injury, with the second innings still to come and then another test next week.
England fast running out of bowlers. Wood joins Archer on the list of poorly manager bowlers.
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Mark Wood wont bowl again this innings due to injury, with the second innings still to come and then another test next week.
England fast running out of bowlers. Wood joins Archer on the list of poorly manager bowlers.
I know two guys ready, willing and available ;)
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Mark Wood wont bowl again this innings due to injury, with the second innings still to come and then another test next week.
England fast running out of bowlers. Wood joins Archer on the list of poorly manager bowlers.
Wood clearly does not have the body to be a test bowler, should just retire to limited over games.
If it wasn't too much of a climbdown, after this they should be begging Anderson to fly out and admit they've got it wrong.
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I equally feel really sorry for the way Jack Leach has been messed around and also that he is becoming a waste of a spot now. His economy is decent today but he isn't getting wickets. We have invested a few years in him now, is he really the best we can do?
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Their opening bowlers are all over us here, lucky to be only one down at the moment!
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Looks like we’ll be heading for another draw on a road in Barbados. We won’t be taking 20 wickets on this pitch with our bowling line up.
Gutted for Dan Lawrence who was out for 91 with two balls remaining in the day. After already hitting two fours in the over it was extremely naive to try it again. See the last two deliveries out, come back tomorrow and get your remaining runs. He won’t have a better opportunity of getting a ton on that pitch
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Their opening bowlers are all over us here, lucky to be only one down at the moment!
Yet strangely, in the overs leading up to Crawley's dismissal, including the ball that he was out to, not one ball was going to hit the stumps, they were either wide or high, according to, I think it was David Gower who asked someone to check "Hawkeye" playbacks.
And they did little better after that from what I saw.
Both their openers were quick, but erratic
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The two pitches so far in this series have been awful ! Interesting to hear Curtley Ambrose saying how he has been on at the board of control to do something about them.
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Looks like we’ll be heading for another draw on a road in Barbados. We won’t be taking 20 wickets on this pitch with our bowling line up.
Gutted for Dan Lawrence who was out for 91 with two balls remaining in the day. After already hitting two fours in the over it was extremely naive to try it again. See the last two deliveries out, come back tomorrow and get your remaining runs. He won’t have a better opportunity of getting a ton on that pitch
The way to do it would be to put a mammoth total on, i'm talking 500+, and hope their batting lineup crumbles with scoreboard pressure.
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First wicket of the day on a turning pitch, Brooks c Woakes b Leach 39 (83-2)
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This pitch is rubbish.
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Doesn't help that our plan of attack is a bunch of identikit low-mid 80s right arm bowlers.
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I don’t think it would matter what attack we selected on this wicket.
There are some awful pitches being prepared across the world of late. That Pakistan v Australia pitch was case in point, another utter road offering nothing to the bowler
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On the other hand the occasional road always used to be part and parcel of test cricket. Lately we've become used to 16 wickets falling in the day and 3 or 4 day finishes (especially watching England).
Ideally we want the balance between bat and ball to be correct. Wickets with pace and bounce and which provide help for the spinners as the game goes on produce the best cricket but yes they are becoming a rare thing. It's important for the future of test cricket that wickets are improved for an even contest between bat and ball.
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I'm starting to think we actually prepare the best pitches in world cricket. Not just pitches that allow a part time spinner to get 5/8 against the best batting line up in the world or pitches that don't produce a result in 4 test matches. Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka have also produced decent pitches of late but for the rest, the balance seems to be completely lost. Maybe its the lack of test cricket these last few years that have made it difficult for groundsmen?
Anyway, this one will be a draw, unless there is a miracle today. We need to find a way to bowl them out inside the first session and then put on a quick fire 250 somehow and hope the 5th day pitch is more friendly to spin.
It hasn't helped that this bowling line up is in effect England 'A'. At it's strongest the attack is probably 3 or 4 of Anderson, Archer, Broad, Robinson, Stone, Wood - none of which are available. Mahmood, Woakes, Overton, Fisher and all rounder Stokes might work on an English pitch but none of them have the pace to do it on these sort of pitches.
Atleast our batsmen are getting some confidence runs in - if you were Rory Burns or Ollie Pope you would be gutted right now.
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Not a great day for our batters, with at least our lower order putting up some resistance.
But the Barmy Army humour saves the day with flags requesting 'Justice for Broad' and 'Bring back Jimmy' 😂
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Close of play England 200 for 9
Leech and Mahmoud 👏👏👏👏
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Close of play England 200 for 9
Leech and Mahmoud 👏👏👏👏
? 204 all out
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? 204 all out
Thank you for the update, I was switching between watching the football and cricket
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No problem mate
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It was a pretty dismal day of cricket until the heroics of Leach and Mahmood gave us a slightly respectable score.
This pitch is going to dry out and will look excellent for batting - as shown by our final partnership.
Tough to win it from here…
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The fight back begins, WI 69 for 3 wickets (23.1overs)
Bowlers putting in a shift
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Lunch - West Indies 71 for 3 wickets(25.0overs)
David Gower called it at the start of play, as the WI elected to use the heavy roller, he said that after an hour or so, the effect of the heavy roller would wear off and the pitch would help the bowlers, if they used it properly.
Well, it took about 2 hours, but the bowlers, particularly Stokes, have banged the ball in hard and using the wicket
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Looks like a low scoring game as it seems there's uneven bounce due to cracks if you bowl the right length. Mark Butcher said it took Stokes to show the right length to bowl when he came on.
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West Indies 100 -for 6 wickets (37.1 overs)
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Into the low order and tail. That Leach-Mahmood partnership looking invaluable now. Never a good sign though when Stokes is one of your top wicket takers on tour, we need to hope there are some promising bowlers under 23 hovering around and about to have a breakthrough County Championship.
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Another shameful day to add to the ever growing collection.
Really don’t know what to say -it was that bad.
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The batting is a complete and utter shambles. Appalling technique compounded by repeating the same mistakes assumedly stemming from poor coaching and too much emphasis from the shorter formats of the game .
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What an utter embarrassment. Time to put Root out of his misery. Great Batsman, poor Captain.
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Who would have possibly thought dropping our two best bowlers would lead to a terrible bowling display? Really is remarkable....
Not much saving the batting whatever happens mind you, not sure what's to be done there. I don't think anything can be. Did a single person actually think Alex Lees was going to be a success?
I don't really expect anything to be done, county cricket just isn't profitable so it will always be pushed into the shoulder seasons where green pitches produce an endless supply chain of mediocre medium pacers who will clean up on green English pitches but are unable to bowl in any other condition. Very few batsmen will do well in those conditions, and at any rate other conditions are so alien to them its setting them up for failure, then our bowlers have nothing to their game.
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Surely they can't get any lower? Has to be an upturn soon.
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Surely they can't get any lower? Has to be an upturn soon.
There’s another 5-10 years of this..
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So very disappointed with this tour. It’s time to complete the “clearing the decks†with the removal of Joe Root as captain to follow the Managing Director and Head Coach et al
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Broken record and all that, but the answer lies in school age cricket, getting a wider range of kids playing rather than just those who are privately educated. Some cricket journalists in the broadsheets will tell you middle class cricket is thriving and it isn't an issue but I don't know many working class kids my age who have picked a cricket bat up at school and I doubt that's changed in the subsequent 15 or so years.
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...and there's the question now of which game are we coaching/preparing schoolkids to play - first class and test cricket or the slog/improvisation fest of T20 and the Hundred ? It's not at all easy to cover both with compatible techniques.
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Schools because of time constraints have nearly always played a shortened form of the game usually 20 overs a side . For those of younger age 20/20 is nothing new there were club KO competitions of 20 overs a side being played 50 years ago in the W.Mids /Worcestershire area , competitions such as the Coleshill KO and the Don Kenyon trophy
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Schools because of time constraints have nearly always played a shortened form of the game usually 20 overs a side . For those of younger age 20/20 is nothing new there were club KO competitions of 20 overs a side being played 50 years ago in the W.Mids /Worcestershire area , competitions such as the Coleshill KO and the Don Kenyon trophy
True but it's now more complicated when youngsters come to the attention of county academies or whatever. 50 years ago they will have just been coached in pretty text book techniques for the longer format. Now, firstly youngsters will have picked up some quirky shots from watching the variety of formats of the game and secondly the counties presumably will have an eye on player development for all forms of the game. Also the kids themselves may think they want to be T20 players and play in the IPL/world cup or whatever.
I think it's a forlorn hope to get the state schools more geared up for cricket due to, as you say, time constraints, facilities, availability of staff with half a clue of how to coach basics, cost of equipment etc.
I think the clubs and county academies are now crucial and they need to be fishing for talent at a young age and not just waiting for some private school lads to roll up every year or so.
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Who would have possibly thought dropping our two best bowlers would lead to a terrible bowling display? Really is remarkable....
Not much saving the batting whatever happens mind you, not sure what's to be done there. I don't think anything can be. Did a single person actually think Alex Lees was going to be a success?
I don't really expect anything to be done, county cricket just isn't profitable so it will always be pushed into the shoulder seasons where green pitches produce an endless supply chain of mediocre medium pacers who will clean up on green English pitches but are unable to bowl in any other condition. Very few batsmen will do well in those conditions, and at any rate other conditions are so alien to them its setting them up for failure, then our bowlers have nothing to their game.
We have won 2 in 17 (I think), Broad and/ or Anderson played in all of them until this tour, and we still lost with them playing, this aint just one problem, the pool of players to pick from in English cricket is bang average at best. Our opening batsmen are shocking, our spinners are dreadful and our fielding is amateurish at times! You can replace Root, with Stokes or whoever, but will it make a difference? I doubt it.....
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I'm coming around to the thinking that cricket as anything other than a 1 day format is
dead dying,
No cash at domestic lower levels = no incentive
No appetite internationally for longer form of the game = the cash will not be forth coming
Talent isnt being attracted, Aussies / England / South Africa / Windies teams are all weaker than ever before, India/ pakistan / Sri Lankans are not pulling up trees, only the kiwis who have always operated on limited funding have kept their previous levels up
Test cricket is a bit of an anachronism now and i cannot see anything turning it around, end of the commonwealth looming and with it test cricket.
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I'm coming around to the thinking that cricket as anything other than a 1 day format is dead dying,
No cash at domestic lower levels = no incentive
No appetite internationally for longer form of the game = the cash will not be forth coming
Talent isnt being attracted, Aussies / England / South Africa / Windies teams are all weaker than ever before, India/ pakistan / Sri Lankans are not pulling up trees, only the kiwis who have always operated on limited funding have kept their previous levels up
Test cricket is a bit of an anachronism now and i cannot see anything turning it around, end of the commonwealth looming and with it test cricket.
It's certainly worrying times for test cricket and I get the finance bit. In a way cricket needs test cricket to survive. The one day format is so one dimensional that there are so many meaningless games especially at international level. Maybe it's a generational thing but I still follow what's happening in test series around the world. There's an interest in seeing how games evolve. I don't bother following who's winning the latest one day series elsewhere - there are too many of them and they just don't matter to me.
I don't know how much money TV companies are paying for the rights to test cricket these days but test cricket has the attraction for broadcasters of filling a lot of hours in the TV schedules...and someone must be watching it.
For what it's worth I don't think that Australia are weaker than ever before. They have a respectable batting line up and a strong bowling attack - Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc and Lyon would be a very decent test attack in any era. They've been winning test series despite the prolonged absence of Hazlewood. The emergence of Cameron Green as a genuine all rounder makes them stronger also.
I'd say test batting line ups are generally weak these days which adds weight to the theory that batsmen are struggling to maintain standards while adjusting technically to meet the needs of the different formats of the game.
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Return of the Cricket season and would you adam and eve it, we've got cold weather and rain.
Good luck the batsman in these conditions. ::)
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Joe Root has resigned as England captain. I think it’s the right decision by him
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Time will soon tell - there is not one in that current crop that should be considered.
They cannot give it to Ben Stokes otherwise we run the risk of burn out. He is far too valuable to us.
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Stokes is to injury prone plays one test misses two is no good for a long term captain
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Where do England normally go when they struggle in Test Cricket? Well South Africa of course.
David Bedingham scored 191 for Durham today and he is the current leading run scorer in the championship, having scored over 1000 runs for them last year. He averages just under 50 in 1st class cricket and qualifies for England in 2 years time, albeit is a gun for hire still at the moment t if South Africa do come calling.
I wonder if we will see the bending of some rules to fast track him into the England side soon? His grandparents are English after all.
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Former England and Kent batter Rob Key has been named the managing director of England men's cricket.
I think Key is a sound appointment in replacing Andrew Strauss.
Let now see the same quality in the coaching appointments
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We at least know the direction we’re going in based on his comments on sky
- Return of a national selector
- Split coaches for the test and one day teams
- Returns for Broad and Anderson
- The Hundred will remain as our flagship domestic competition
- Buttler is for a potential recall as captain
Key has already spoken about the need for a change in culture so I would not be surprised to see Gary Kirsten or Justin Langer appointed as coach of the test team
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I hadn't heard Key's comments about Buttler. They need to keep options open and obviously the coach would have a big say but Buttler's been struggling in all departments in test cricket. I can't see throwing the captaincy his way would be a good move.
I caught Key's comments from January made with his Sky pundit hat on. He bemoaned the lack of English coaches who could be considered. Said, like Hussein, he didn't like the fact that Kirsten had expressed interest in the job while Silverwood was still there...but all options had to be kept open. He spoke very highly of Ponting and his knowledge and views then said it would be highly doubtful he'd take the job. Looks certain to be an overseas appointment for the test side - Kirsten, Langer, Fleming, Jayawardena all possibles.
He's committed to improving the intensity of the 4 day game and improving standards in the longer formats of the game in general. Also mentioned reinvesting all profits from the money making ventures like the Hundred into the grass roots and making sure that cricket is free for kids/young players across the board. He sounded very clear in his views and looks a good appointment.
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Ive got two tickets for sale for the England v India test match at Edgbaston if anyone is interested, its for Day 1 in the Raglan Stand, I cant make it now due to work commitments, so all I am asking is what I paid which was £96 for the two, first 3 days are a sell out.
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Had a great day at Edgbaston today. A batting paradise in the summer sunshine and we managed to bowl Essex out for 160+. They were 98/2 at one point. OHD, Norwell and Briggs were excellent again.
We’ve finished on 76/2 - in a good position to really take the game by the scruff of the neck here.
Weather was fantastic and I’ve come home with a tan.
A far more enjoyable experience than what I’ve witnessed at The Hawthorns lately.
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Suntan collected in Cardiff also.
16 wickets fell on day one. Shah Afridi and Roland-Jones are a very handy pair of opening bowlers for Middlesex who should be one of the strongest sides in div 2.
Glamorgan fought back but Middlesex now have a handy first innings lead.
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Ben Stokes confirmed as test captain.
It’s a hell of a job for someone who has only recently returned from a mental health break.
I wish him the very best because this is a poisoned chalice
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Stokes as captain may well have been the only logical choice, but I really dont like it given his documented mental wellbeing issues. Always tended to agree with Hussain's view over Key's when they discussed this during the Sky Sports cricket show roundtables/podcasts but Key has won out now he is in charge.
As for the early stages of the county championship, there is a lot of noise around Yorkshire's Harry Brook who at 23 is currently the 2nd highest run scorer in division 1. Hopefully he won't be rushed into the test arena given his career average is only 31 but he could be a Lions option in the winter if his good form continues.
Josh Bohannon is maybe the more likely, I've heard purists like his action and he scored a 231 for Lancashire the other week. At 25 he has a career 1st class average just shy of 48, albeit I think most of his runs come at Old Trafford.
The last one is maybe the most interesting - Ben Compton at 28 is the highest scorer in this year's championship. It's early days as this is actually his "breakthrough" season having been rejected by Nottingham at the end of last season but he is currently on a run of 129, 104, 115, 27, 89, 3 and currently 67 not out. 3 centuries and 2 half centuries in 7 innings - he could be a flash in the pan or he could be proof of a county system that is too cliquey to give players a chance who don't come through the right channels.
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Brendon McCullum has been appointed England Men's Test Head Coach
Find the right home for this in the end 8)
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Brendon McCullum has been appointed England Men's Test Head Coach
Find the right home for this in the end 8)
Do you think he will drop Maguire? :P
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Do you think he will drop Maguire? :P
Why in heavens name would he do that :-*
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It's an interesting appointment. He pretty much broke the mould when he started opening for NZ in tests, advancing down the pitch from ball 1 and smacking it straight back over the bowler's head. It shouldn't be dull with him as coach and Stokes captain.
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It’s interesting and not what I expected - when I heard the news break last week I thought we’d announced the wrong format. I thought he would have been more suited to coaching white ball cricket but I guess time will tell.
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England name Australia's Matthew Mott as their new white-ball coach
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England name Australia's Matthew Mott as their new white-ball coach
Mott the whiteball, is he a young dude??
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England name Australia's Matthew Mott as their new white-ball coach
Another one we weren't expecting. Coached Glamorgan a few years back and has been coaching Australia's women for the last 6 or 7 years.
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Test cricket returns today and i have 2 days off so if the suns shining i'll be doing on e of my fave things in taking the tablet outside, sunning it up and watching some test cricket. Looking forward to see the side.
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Great start by our boys
New Zealand First innings, 12 for 4 wickets (11.0overs)
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Blundell b Potts 14 (NZ 36-6)
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I've been very impressed with the bowling and fielding in the morning session. Matt Potts has looked good too. Just hope we can put on a good score with the bat. The batting has been out Achilles heel
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We’ll work issues tied me up from 11-13:00. I turn on and it appears I’ve missed a cracking morning of cricket. Bloody work :-X
However - happy to see it’s gone well
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New Zealand are 90 for 8
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New Zealand First innings 132 all out
England 19-0 wickets (6.2overs)
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Glad to see that no matter how much you shuffle the deck of cards, we still get the same poor batting performances.
100/7
NZ might end up with a first innings lead at this rate
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Nobody can bat in English conditions anymore
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Latham c Foakes b Potts 14 (NZ 35-3)
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England make early inroads after a rain effected start
Mitchell c Foakes b Broad 108 (NZ 251-5)
De Grandhomme run out (Pope) 0 (NZ 251-6)
A remarkable runout by Pope
And while I type, Broad bowls, Jamieson 0 (NZ 251-7).
Three wickets in three Broad balls
COYE!!!!
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We are defiantly on a bowling roll, hope our batters are later
Blundell lbw b Anderson 96 (NZ 265-8)
Shame Blundell missed out on his century at Lords, he has batted well
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Anderson joins the party!
On a day 3 pitch, probably starting late in the first session or at the start of the second, this is prime time to show that the England batting line up has what it takes, but I really doubt many will seize the chance.
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Patel lbw b Potts 4 (281 - 9 wickets, 90.3overs)
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285 all out
Southee c Root b Parkinson 21
Please batters, turn up!
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Lees b Jamieson 20
England 31-1, 8 Overs
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Don't want to jinx it, but Root and Foakes seem to be in control, edging their way to victory.
Root two runs away from 10k test runs, which is a great achievement
Edit:
Root gets his 100 and 10k runs. Joint youngest with Sir Alastair Cook
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England win by 5 wickets after Joe Root gets over a century and Foakes does a decent Job keeping us in it.
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Result
Second innings279 - for5wickets
England win by 5 wickets
Well done boys!! and particularly the magnificent Joe Root. well done "Skip"
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Joe Rooty has moved up to 2nd in the ICC Test rankings
Master Batsman
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I'd be intrigued to hear what a genuine scholar of the game and a statistical expert had to say about "the fab four" of Smith, Kohli, Williamson and Root - plus nowadays Azam.
There's a strong argument to say Joe Root is the world's best test batsmen now, up there with anything we have ever produced and probably the best of the "Fab 4/5" named above, certainly over the last few years anyway.
How much of that however is due to the fact he can concentrate primarily on test cricket, only stepping in and out of the one day side and playing very little twenty/20. The other 3 or 4 are multi format players and have to keep switching between the 3 different disciplines as well as juggling big franchise gigs.
On the other hand, Root does have the added pressure at test level of an awful batting line up around him while also having to play much tougher set of opponents than Smith/Kohli, Azam and Williamson have (Aus/New Zealand/India/Pakistan have played more soft fixtures in recent years).
There's probably no right answer, buti'd be intrigued by an experts view
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Not an expert but I have always thought that "average" is a poor indicator for a batsman's prowess, and there surely must be a better way of measuring it. Crawley, for example, has his average pushed up by his 267 against Pakistan - maybe median is a better barometer of a player?
Equally, the role of Not Outs on averages could be an interesting one to ponder.
Root is a good player of spin, and has scoring shots in every direction which makes him hard to pin down, unlike even great batsmen such as Cook and Strauss who had "scoring areas", particularly off the back foot in the case of those two. When I did some of my own basic analysis of those four players, Smith seemed slightly ahead of the others, what with Kohli having a dip and form and Williamson struggling away from home in recent years.
I do find your theory about multi-format play intriguing. Root's use in the One Day team is his ability to score fairly freely in the middle overs, his "Cruising Speed", if you will, while not overly risking his wicket. I'm not sure his style is of as much use in the shorter formats (T20/ The 100)
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Yeah I'd prefer a batting average to display the median score, Crawley as you say is heavily propped up by that one big innings.
That said, it was interesting watching their averages being tracked over their careers when matched together. Smith's is quite sensational, even if he has gone slightly off the boil recently.
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Feels a bit harsh to "drop" Parkinson. I don't really rate Leach but I suppose a left armer Vs right handed batsmen gives us good balance, and Root bowls well to left handers.
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Another fantastic century for Joe Root, his 27th in Test Cricket
Well done Rooty, master batsman
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There are no words to describe him.
I have tickets tomorrow and looking forward to it. Would be nice to see Root reach his double ton.
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Amazing run of form for Root. It's hard to believe now that he had a year and a bit where he couldn't convert a 50 into a 100. He became vulnerable to getting out LBW. I remember hearing that he went back to work with his original school/club coach to sort that out and it seems to have worked and some ! Hope you have a good day Liam - Glamorgan v Sussex for me today.
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It's looking a bit cloudy here in Notts at the moment. I hope I'm wrong, but it could be a bowlers day, depending on how windy it is. That's been the main thing along with the pitch - it's been so windy that the ball can't swing.
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BLACKCAPS (@BLACKCAPS) Tweeted
UPDATE | Kyle Jamieson won’t take the field on day four as he awaits an MRI scan to determine the extent of the injury to his lower left back.
Jamieson experienced sharp pain while bowling in the final session of day three forcing him from the field.
#ENGvNZ
An advantage to England you would consider
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BBC Weather outlook from Trent Bridge
We should be OK weather wise, but some cloud might work in England's favour as the day progresses.
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Hope you made it for the start of play, Liam! It's all happening in the first 30 minutes!
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Glamorgan 258-1 - a very rare event. No need for Billy Root yet.
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Whatever happens, I like this approach from England! Absolutely tearing them a new one after tea!
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Cracking century by Johnny Bairstow, well done lad!!
2nd fastest 100 in a test match by an English batsman, 78 balls
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well done to our cricketers, shame on the footballers
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Hope you made it for the start of play, Liam! It's all happening in the first 30 minutes!
Was a brilliant day mate and positioned the test nicely. If I remembered you were in Nottingham I’d have met you for a pint
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And that is probably the greatest test match I’ve ever seen. It had everything. Credit to Trent Bridge for making day five free to all.
I pay tribute to New Zealand - they are an excellent outfit and both sides always bring the best out of each other.
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My Dad's gutted he didn't go. Incredible performance which has vindicated McCullum and Stokes' attacking style.
Some brilliant performances from Root, Pope, Foakes, Anderson, Stokes and particularly Bairstow (who's innings is up there with the beat test innings I've ever seen), but special mention to background man Alex Lees who anchored the start of both innings with well over 100 runs.
Enjoying this new test side.
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One swallow doesn't make a summer - I still have some doubts about this batting line up to be honest.. though it is positive for English cricket to have something to shout about.
Though the change in attitude yesterday was refreshing given the abject surrender last summer chasing a lesser score with more overs to play with.
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approach of the cricket team is the complete antithesis of the football team.
I think people comparing the approach from Silverwood & Roots team versus a NZ 4th innings target of 270 (June 2021), versus yesterdays approach are absolutely spot on, the coaches attitude permeates everything the team do. (Take note Mr Southgate).
I can accept that McCullum has the advantage of being a new face and thus more latitude but he has clearly lifted the whole dynamic in a very short time and has to be given credit for that, also Joe Root no longer having the responsibility of captain seems to be a major dividend, we have to ensure the same issue doesnt befall Stokes.
Sack the psychologists at St Georges park and instead get Brendan to coach Gareth in WINNING attitude please
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Root is certainly looking far more relaxed now which can only help but we probably should remember that he had an outstanding year with the bat last year while the team wheels were flying off in all directions. Technical adjustments seem to have been at least as important as the removal of the captaincy burden.
I think McCullum will prove the perfect coach to ensure that Stokes doesn't curb his natural attacking instincts but again time will tell.
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Wisden Tweeted
England have been fined 40 percent of their match fees and docked two World Test Championship points for falling two overs short of the minimum over rate at Trent Bridge.
Ridiculous, after such an exciting and all out approach by both sides, two bl**dy overs!
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England Cricket tweeted
We have added @JamieOverton to our Men's Test squad for the third LV= Insurance Test against New Zealand! 🏴🏏
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Wisden Tweeted
England have been fined 40 percent of their match fees and docked two World Test Championship points for falling two overs short of the minimum over rate at Trent Bridge.
Ridiculous, after such an exciting and all out approach by both sides, two bl**dy overs!
Not fussed. We're not winning this round of the WTC, and most of the team are on central contracts, so I would imagine they'll be fine. Only someone like Potts might miss out.
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Barely time to catch our breath - there's an ODI starting at 10 Vs the Netherlands.
Spotlight is on Morgan - he hasn't batted well recently and has had his own injury concerns. There's talk of him being a "specialist captain", but it's a little concerning that one of our usually reliable middle order players is so out of form
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Barely time to catch our breath - there's an ODI starting at 10 Vs the Netherlands.
Spotlight is on Morgan - he hasn't batted well recently and has had his own injury concerns. There's talk of him being a "specialist captain", but it's a little concerning that one of our usually reliable middle order players is so out of form
1st ball duck even against this lot :o :o :-[
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498-4 - England beat their own record from 2018. Two runs short of the 500 :(
Three centurions in the England batting line up.
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498-4 - England beat their own record from 2018. Two runs short of the 500 :(
Three centurions in the England batting line up.
Another couple of overs and Livingstone would've joined them, that man can hit a ball!!
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I must say those last ten overs felt very much men against boys.
Are these going to make it past 200?!
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1st ball duck even against this lot :o :o :-[
And another duck yesterday, his confidence must be rock bottom......
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Crazy and extraordinary dismissal in the last over before tea
NZ 123-5
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Never seen anything like it.
Local derby tonight at Edgbaston - Bears v Pears.
Hopefully the rain stays away :D
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Never seen anything like it.
Local derby tonight at Edgbaston - Bears v Pears.
Hopefully the rain stays away :D
Worcs are dreadful, result looks a formality
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Worcs are dreadful, result looks a formality
Sadly they beat us earlier in the campaign in their only victory so far, they are our bogey side in recent times.
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Never seen anything like it.
Local derby tonight at Edgbaston - Bears v Pears.
Hopefully the rain stays away :D
I'll be there tonight! Going to the second day of the India test as well...watch it wazz it down :'(
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What did I say? 3 for 2
I hate facing Worcestershire
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Thread now renamed The Cricket Thread as its gone well past the "England Cricket Thread"
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What did I say? 3 for 2
I hate facing Worcestershire
False dawn, Bears win by 144 runs! Go bears 🐻!!
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False dawn, Bears win by 144 runs! Go bears 🐻!!
Very much so. Hose has been superb this season, our middle order has carried us with the bat as we’ve no openers of any use sadly, the two overseas players have been poor but we look likely to qualify despite all that so can’t complain
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Unlucky Overton, but what a job he did.
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I can't believe we've got to within 12 runs after the diabolical start.
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I've never rated Bairstow - always felt that he was inconsistent with the bat and we had better keepers - but there's absolutely no denying how good his two knocks have been.
Also want to say how good Boult's spell was at the beginning. Our top order is still frail, but that was just class bowling. The fact Root got out for 5 (or whatever it was) shows just how good that spell was
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Very much so. Hose has been superb this season, our middle order has carried us with the bat as we’ve no openers of any use sadly, the two overseas players have been poor but we look likely to qualify despite all that so can’t complain
Agreed 👍i went last night and i went to the first game i took my wife to the first one, she had hever been to any kind of cricket match before i think i have created a monster! She loved it and is now Bears mad!
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England complete a 3-0 series win. God bless Baz ball.
A thoroughly enjoyable series of cricket and credit to New Zealand - they really are excellent.
That though is some turn around considering English cricket was in the doldrums three months ago.
Lets see how they fair against a strong India side.
Agreed 👍i went last night and i went to the first game i took my wife to the first one, she had hever been to any kind of cricket match before i think i have created a monster! She loved it and is now Bears mad!
Glad your Mrs enjoyed Edgbaston, Keith.
Friday night was a special night to behold - unless you were a Pear - because then it was really ***** :D
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England complete a 3-0 series win. God bless Baz ball.
A thoroughly enjoyable series of cricket and credit to New Zealand - they really are excellent.
That though is some turn around considering English cricket was in the doldrums three months ago.
Lets see how they fair against a strong India side.
Glad your Mrs enjoyed Edgbaston, Keith.
Friday night was a special night to behold - unless you were a Pear - because then it was really ***** :D
Cheers Liam i will be there on Friday for day 1, on my own though!!
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A shame Bairstow didn't get the player of the series- sensational since his recall to the side for the Ashes.
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Eoin Morgan announces his retirement from international cricket. Good luck in the future and thanks for some great memories.
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It has been a joy watching this England team this summer
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They have been fantastic - some real good cricket from both sides really.
I thought this chase would be difficult given the quality of their attack but fair play to our lot, they’ve gone and had a solid afternoon and put themselves firmly in contention to win the test.
Bairstow in this sort of form is massive really because it really does help solidify what has been a problem area of the team recently
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England are simply unplayable this Summer, an hour and a bit to polish it off this morning, ridiculously good test cricket again. They could have set us 600 and we would probably still have chased it down!
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It looks to me as if every one has been playing test cricket in the wrong way for many, many years! :o
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Interesting approach. Take a side who can't play test cricket but are great at ODI's, and tell them to play ODI style in the 4th innings.
Fully expect a Salt or Buttler in the side by the Ashes.
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Will be interesting to see how we fair outside of England with this approach on totally different wickets.....
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Wonder what Mr Kohli had to say ;D
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Dear 🐻 fans,
Reports circulating that Moeen Ali has signed a contract with Warwickshire for next season
Kind regards,
A disappointed 🍐
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Confirmation
Warwickshire County Cricket Club has signed England international all-rounder Moeen Ali on a three-year white-ball contract.
Good luck Moeen and thank you for your service to Worcestershire
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Jonny Bairstow's last 5 innings in Test cricket: 589 from 578 balls at an average of 196
Unbelievable batting, well done Jonny!
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Confirmation
Warwickshire County Cricket Club has signed England international all-rounder Moeen Ali on a three-year white-ball contract.
Good luck Moeen and thank you for your service to Worcestershire
More impressed with the signing of Ed Barnsrd - a genuine all round replacement to Tim Bresnan.
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I have two tickets for Finals Day for sale if anybody wants them - 16th July 2022.
In the Eric Hollies. They were £85.00 each but happy just to get rid of 'em.
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Glamorgan's Sam Northeast is currently 410 not out against Leicestershire!
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Glamorgan's Sam Northeast is currently 410 not out against Leicestershire!
Yes that was how he finished as Glamorgan declared on 795-5. Highest ever Glamorgan partnership for any wicket 461 with Chris Cooke who made a mere 191 not out.
Northeast is only the 4th person in history to score 400 plus in the County Championship and the first player anywhere to pass 400 this century. One of Glamorgan's better signings for sure !
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......and amazingly Glamorgan have gone on to bowl Leicester out for 183 to win the game. That must be some sort of record also I'd have thought, to win a game by an innings when the other side has made 584 in the first innings.
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Here's hoping for torrential rain for the next few days.
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oh dear, not sounding too good at lords
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England lose first Test to South Africa by an innings and 12 runs.
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England cricket doing their best Albion impersonation…… Batting gets rolled over twice cheaply in first test so England make one change for the second test , swap like for like bowlers !
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Good start by our bowlers
At Lunch
South Africa 77 for 5 (25 overs)
Anderson 8.0 2 19 1 2.38
Robinson 7.0 0 26 0 3.71
Broad 6.0 1 17 2 2.83
Stokes 2.0 0 6 2 3.00
Leach 2.0 0 5 0 2.50
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South Africa All Out 151
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England 34/2 Lees out for 4 Pope out 23. Crawley has faced 28 balls and scored 7 runs ???
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56/3 now,Roots out
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England 34/2 Lees out for 4 Pope out 23. Crawley has faced 28 balls and scored 7 runs ???
England finish the day on 111/3 in reply to South Africa's 151 all out.
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Close of Play
England 111 for 3 (28 overs) trail by 40 runs
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Root having a poor series so far. Great result with the ball, although it's a shame the tail wagged so much.
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England 320/6, Stokes out for 103. England lead South Africa by 169 runs with 4 wickets remaining
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England 320/6, Stokes out for 103. England lead South Africa by 169 runs with 4 wickets remaining
I did wonder why South Africa decided to bat first when it was cloudy on the first day?
The cynic in me thought maybe they wanted an interesting third and final Test.
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I did wonder why South Africa decided to bat first when it was cloudy on the first day?
The cynic in me thought maybe they wanted an interesting third and final Test.
Looks like it's comeback to bite them on the bottom!. If England can get a lead of 250+ will put big pressure on.
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Looks like it's comeback to bite them on the bottom!. If England can get a lead of 250+ will put big pressure on.
Foakes reaches his ton. 102 at the moment.
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Foakes reaches his ton. 102 at the moment.
England have declared on 415/9 a lead of 264.
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England win by an innings and 85 runs
Series is level
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England win the series 2-1. I have been critical of Zak Crawley but fair play to him he hit an unbeaten 69 to help steer England home.
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Warwickshire survive!
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Brilliant finish to a terrible season
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Brilliant finish to a terrible season
Didn't they finish top last season?
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Didn't they finish top last season?
Yep. Not for the first time, the departure of Pop Welch has lead to an instant decline from us. Serious questions to be asked and answered over the winter
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Norwell 9-62 certainly worth a mention....and Yorkshire relegated.
Notts and Middlesex promoted. As a Glamorgan member it was looking promising until the Sussex openers put on 328 for the 1st wicket.
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Warwickshire survive!
Incredible really.
On the final day of the season last year we took ten wickets in the afternoon to win the championship.
One year later on the final day of the season we took ten wickets in the afternoon to stay in the division!
Some changes required, however..
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England win the T20 series against Pakistan 4-3.
I have to say, our bowlers were magnificent in the last two games, containing and frustrating the Pakistan batsmen
Well done lads 👍
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A couple of weeks ago, I entered a ballot for tickets to the Ashes Test Match at Edgbaston and have just received an email notifying me that I'm a winner and will be going to Day 4 of the match on Monday, 19th June 2023.
I'm absolutely chuffed!
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A couple of weeks ago, I entered a ballot for tickets to the Ashes Test Match at Edgbaston and have just received an email notifying me that I'm a winner and will be going to Day 4 of the match on Monday, 19th June 2023.
I'm absolutely chuffed!
Thats it rub it in! I also entered the ballot but I have had the 'unfortunately you have not been selected as a winner in this ballot' email :(
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Secured Ashes tickets for me and my sons earlier, we are in the RES Wyatt stand and looking forward to the day
Sorry to all those how entered and were unsuccessful in the ballot
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Phil Simmons has resigned from his job as head coach of the West Indies cricket team. It comes after the regional side had an embarrassing group stage exit from the ICC Twenty20 World Cup.
They really were awful in the three games they played and lost
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India v Pakistan was incredible, gutted for Pakistan at the end. A bit of Kohli magic, some poor bowling and a lot of luck.
It’s a shame the tournament is all in the morning hours. Hopefully wake up to find us well ahead against Ireland tomorrow.
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India v Pakistan was incredible, gutted for Pakistan at the end. A bit of Kohli magic, some poor bowling and a lot of luck.
It’s a shame the tournament is all in the morning hours. Hopefully wake up to find us well ahead against Ireland tomorrow.
So about that...
Such a shame we've had a couple of games be rain affected. It's something you'd expect in England, but not in Aus, although it's still their spring over there.
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Weird tactics didn't help. Why did we go so slow, knowing rain was forecast? Out played with bat and ball, even with Moeen going at 12 an over I'm not convinced we would have won anyway. Need a response now and personally I'd go Salt over Malan.
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Malan has been terrible so far, strike rate of about 75.
Frustrating as Moeen would have won it for us still today had the rain not intervened
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Decent start from us so far
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without losing a wicket, well done england
168/6
(20.0)
VS
170/0
(16.0)
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Absolutely brilliant viewing.
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Sensational.
Really frustrated the ICC too as they were dying for the India/Pakistan final :D
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Well done England!
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From a neutral perspective, gutting not to see an India v Pakistan world cup final, but it's always great to beat India - not least due to their slightly over bearing domestic fans. Sensational win - bring on Pakistan this weekend.
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Indian cricket social media taking the semi final loss as maturely as expected I see ;D
At the end of the day, twenty twenty cricket is a lottery, anyone can win on their day.
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England Win T20 World Cup by 5 Wickets with an Over to Spare to hold the 50 Overs World Cup and T20 World Cup for the first time in the History.
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Well worth getting up at half 7 this morning for.
Brilliant all round display
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Wasn't sure what to make of Stokes innings - I'm still not even now. Anchored the chase at a point it needed slow and steady but then took an age to get going in partnership with Brook. Would he and Ali have managed the boundaries they did had it not been for Shaheen's injury? Regardless though, he is always there at the key moments in our modern cricketing history, one of our greatest ever pressure players.
World champions in ODI and Twenty Twenty at the same time - the greatest white ball side in history?
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Anyone see the Test, or more importantly, the conclusion of it this morning?
Has to be said that to win that Test was quite something. The wicket was horrendous and 99 times out of 100 would have been a no result pitch, but the speed at which we score gave us the chance to bowl them out.
I think there will be a lot of games where we get skittled cheaply batting that way, but it will certainly be entertaining and is probably what Test cricket on the whole needed to breathe new life into it
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England close on 202-5. A lead of 281 at the end of day 2.
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Been a great series so far
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Brook looks a real talent, while Duckett is putting a few good innings together.
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Who wins tomorrow then? I fancy us just about. Even if this current partnership puts on another 40 runs or so, their tail haven't been great so far and chasing even 100 runs should be tough for them. Finely posted though. A good test on a decent enough pitch.
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Going to be an exciting day tomorrow. Hopefully England can nick it.
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They do like a dramatic win dont they !
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Was superb viewing again this morning.
The football team should take note, you show the ambition to change those in charge when it is not working and it can pay dividends...
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If we can get Archer back for the Ashes, we have a seriously good pace attack again. Anderson, Robinson, Wood and Archer backed up by Stokes is as good as anything in world cricket right now.
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Was superb viewing again this morning.
The football team should take note, you show the ambition to change those in charge when it is not working and it can pay dividends...
Trouble is i think Gareth Southgate ticks all the boxes for the FA. Nice guy, articulate and most importantly won't rock the boat.
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Fantastic performance across both test matches.
The side is looking a lot more settled which is promising - not many in there with question marks about them which is some achievement given where we were 12 months ago.
Ben Stokes is a genius though. There is no other words for him.
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Fantastic performance across both test matches.
The side is looking a lot more settled which is promising - not many in there with question marks about them which is some achievement given where we were 12 months ago.
Ben Stokes is a genius though. There is no other words for him.
I would still question Leach. Part time spinners matching his performance, opposition spinners bettering his performance and going for a lot of runs in supposedly favourable conditions.
Issue is (and has been for a long time) we don't have a test quality spinner.
Agree with the rest though, feels like the first time in a very long time we have more batsman than places rather than the other way round
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Exicted to see how 18 year old leg spinning all rounder Rehan Ahmed goes tomorrow in the third test. Feels a bit early to be chucking him in but he seems to have the mentality for Bazball. He has already managed a fifer and a 99 ball hundred in the same game earlier this season.
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Rehan Ahmed takes a five-for on his debut, fantastic. Should see us wrap up a cracking 3-0 series win
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going to wrap the series up 3-0 tomorrow. can't wait for the ashes next year. the best tournament in team sport
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Wrapped up a 3-0 series win. Well done England,
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England v South Africa squad announced, Jofra is back in. If we beat South Africa 3-0 then their place at the world cup is on serious doubt.
Something doesn't feel right with next year's world cup. Only 10 teams will qualify, which means 4 teams from South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Netherlands and Namibia will fail to qualify. Bearing in mind previous shock wins by Ireland and Kenya in the tournament as well as the rise of Afghanistan, it feels short sighted to pull the draw bridge up now on emerging nations and to potentially shut out established nations like the West Indies and Sri Lanka.
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England v South Africa squad announced, Jofra is back in. If we beat South Africa 3-0 then their place at the world cup is on serious doubt.
Something doesn't feel right with next year's world cup. Only 10 teams will qualify, which means 4 teams from South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Netherlands and Namibia will fail to qualify. Bearing in mind previous shock wins by Ireland and Kenya in the tournament as well as the rise of Afghanistan, it feels short sighted to pull the draw bridge up now on emerging nations and to potentially shut out established nations like the West Indies and Sri Lanka.
meanwhile FIFA have a 48 club tournament ! There will be some shocking games in that. At least in short form cricket there is a chance for the under-dog. (please dont let Infantilio read this. 15 mins each way, no goalkeepers)
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I'm in love with Harry Brook.
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I'm in love with Harry Brook.
Hope he’s saving a few for the summer ! :D ;D :D ;) ;) ;)
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Brook's averaging nearly 80 in tests isn't he? Even with the bad weather it's looking like we could get a rare series whitewash in New Zealand.
In 1 year, Stokes and McCullum have turned us into a genuine challenger to be the best Test team in world cricket. Looking forward to the Ashes now, especially with their struggles in India.
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even though england disappointingly lost by 1 run test cricket is the winner. fantastic game
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even though england disappointingly lost by 1 run test cricket is the winner. fantastic game
I can't be bothered with any of the short versions, give me a test like this any time
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I'm not even going to moan at losing that.
Fantastic advert for test match cricket.
We have to face facts that sometimes the Bazball approach will be brilliant and sometimes it might blow up in our faces.
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Englands second innings wasn’t Bazball ! It was a poor effort with some poor cricketing decisions . A repeat of that will I fear lead to us getting a drubbing in the Ashes , still a good cricket match though !
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Englands second innings wasn’t Bazball ! It was a poor effort with some poor cricketing decisions . A repeat of that will I fear lead to us getting a drubbing in the Ashes , still a good cricket match though !
Root made a couple of poor decisions either side of a fantastic knock. I would argue those decisions (Brook run out and wicket) were Bazball related.
And Broad continues to be a spoof of himself with the bat.
After that I agree it was just great Test cricket.
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They need to get the Stokes knee sorted out. It's been in the background for him for some time now but England can't afford to carry only 3 seamers if he's struggling. There's always a chance of Wood/Archer/Anderson breaking down if they are playing.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65486612
An interesting article, and from an English cricket fan perspective a slightly worrying window into the future of cricket.
I've been following the wider discussion for the last few months on the excellent (if anglo centric) Wisden cricket podcast so it isn't a major shock to hear it. The article details an interview with Mumbai Indians Owner Manoj Badale and his views of how the game will shape up in the near future.
For those unaware, a number of IPL owners have now bought franchises in places like South Africa, West Indies and now the USA. The plan appears to be that the Mumbai Indians (MI) or Knightriders brand travels around the world with most leagues having a franchise bearing these names. South Africa's cricket league relaunched this season, fully in the sphere of influence of the IPL, while owners are now branching out from the West Indies league to also own franchise in the soon to be launched USA cricket league.
The Big Bash this year was a farce as players left in their droves half way through the season to play in different leagues such as South Africa and the new UAE "international" league. The English cricket summer has traditionally had the advantage of having no real competition during our key months but with the USA league incoming, expect us to start to lose players as well.
Manoj Badale now argues that test cricket should cut out its own time in the calender, maybe a month or so where "the nations who can afford it" play a mini tournament at Lords, leaving the rest of the cricketing year to T20 and T10 franchise leagues which will be run by and for the benefit of the Indian Cricket owners and players.
It would of course mean the death of the Ashes and the end of the bilateral series English and Australian cricket fans still love. But as Manoj says, it doesn't matter what he wants, what really matters is what "the 10-15-year-olds in India and across the world are thinking" (because what Indian cricket fans want should dictate the sports future - and their fans call us the colonialists!).
The most depressing thing about it is that I've seen some really positive footage in recent months showing how big cficket is getting in places like Nepal, with their huge crowds. Once the IPL owners have their way, all that will be left is IPL sanctioned franchise cricket.
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Surprised we've not seen this thread revived.
1st test finely poised - the declaration yesterday could be a thing of genius of we can get into the Oz tail tonight.
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Interesting couple of days and the third day will be crucial to the outcome of the game - shame it looks as though it will be storm affected at some stage. The pros and cons of Bairstow returning as wicketkeeper have already been demonstrated following his positive 78 with the bat....followed by a good catch but 2 pretty costly regelation misses with the gloves today.
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Australia win by 2 wickets. Great game of test cricket and credit to both sides.
Stokes is clearly not 100% fit for bowling purposes which disturbs the balance of the side on top of Moen's finger injury.
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Australia win by 2 wickets. Great game of test cricket and credit to both sides.
Stokes is clearly not 100% fit for bowling purposes which disturbs the balance of the side on top of Moen's finger injury.
A compelling contest from start to finish. I may not agree with every decision this regime make, but they produce entertaining cricket that will get people interested in the game.
I think Moeen has to sit out the next test to let his finger heal. I'd be looking at a left armer or wrist spinner, e.g. Renan Ahmed, personally.
I agree that Stokes isn't really fit to bowl. He was basically a medium pacer. That said, he picked up a couple of key wickets. I think Bairstow behind the stumps cost us. I was saying before the game I'd have Foakes in, at the expense of Crawley. But I think we'll see a very similar side in the next test, as loyalty seems a big part of the current setup.
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Don’t think England got much right this game. Poor declaration with Root still in. Stokes not fit. Some poor shots played by batters second innings. Too many catches dropped.
Some debatable selections.
Small encouragement but if we can push them close with all of the above then there is hope but Aussies have their noses in front and will be hard to beat from here !
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I watched 80% of this test and i'm not a cricket fan or hater but the one thing that stood out to me (i may be wrong) was our fielding was very sloppy in general.
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England threw it away. We can play much better which bodes well for us but now we are chasing the series
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The more I think about it the more I think Stokes is becoming a problem. Clearly he isn’t fit enough to do much more than bowl the odd over here and there. He also needs to take a long hard look at his batting as it seems he comes in thinking he can hit every ball for 12 and yet it seems a long time ( haven’t checked ) since he made a vital contribution let’s say 60+ when it was much needed rather than England were already on top
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A pulsating game of test cricket made all the more entertaining for the declaration.
For Ben Stokes - its win or lose. Some may not agree with that approach but conventional test match cricket is changing and fans including myself will need to learn to expect the unexpected and get used to it.
There has been a lot of discussion around the declaration - myself included at the time. However given the weather that was forecast it doesn't seem too bad on reflection. Had Root who was playing aggressively anyway knocked another 40 runs then who is to say Cummins and Lyon wouldn't have chased them down? Either that or Australia would have put the doors up and the game peters out into a draw.
Our biggest problem was that our fielding on Saturday was sloppy and this enabled Australia to get back into the game - the missed stumping's, the dropped catches and Broad's no ball. They were more to blame than the declaration in my view.
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Some absolute brain dead batting going on here !
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Was there today, Australia stifled us with the defensive field and short stuff but even still, just playing very sensible we would have kept the runs ticking over. There were a couple of avoidable wickets in there. Overall though a good day for us and we are very much back in this, tomorrow mornings session will be crucial.
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Bar a mad hour that was England’s day today. I do feel Baz ball needs to be a little more refined at times it just wasn’t smart batting at all. England could have really been in a position where they could have put 100 - 150 runs on the Australia total, key that Stokes & Brook bat out 10 - 15 overs tomorrow & get the score under 100 before loosing a wicket.
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It's difficult to cut through the punditry noise, most of whom are culturally against the idea of "bazball", to work out if the tactics we are using are right. Bazball was blamed for the loss of the first test but everyone I've spoken to at work, home and now on here seem to agree we were in a position to win that first test and failed because our bowling attack wasn't good enough vs a strong Aussie tail end.
Yesterday however you did see the flaw in the all at risk taking logic. With us having a score of 180-1 and their main stock ball bowler off injured and the ball doing nothing for their quicks, you want us to have the flexibility to adapt our approach. Instead, we played into their hands and surrendered the advantage. Now we will do well to avoid 2-0 and almost certain Ashes defeat.
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It's difficult to cut through the punditry noise, most of whom are culturally against the idea of "bazball", to work out if the tactics we are using are right. Bazball was blamed for the loss of the first test but everyone I've spoken to at work, home and now on here seem to agree we were in a position to win that first test and failed because our bowling attack wasn't good enough vs a strong Aussie tail end.
Yesterday however you did see the flaw in the all at risk taking logic. With us having a score of 180-1 and their main stock ball bowler off injured and the ball doing nothing for their quicks, you want us to have the flexibility to adapt our approach. Instead, we played into their hands and surrendered the advantage. Now we will do well to avoid 2-0 and almost certain Ashes defeat.
And this morning has very much backed us your post. So many wild swings when we just needed to be calm. I didn't know the score yesterday and watched the highlights this morning and we looked in such a good position. Just needed Brook and Stokes to steady the ship for the first hour and then if that went wrong Bairstow to just bat calmly but it's been awful since the openers went really.
And now we're all out. Terrible morning for us.
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Strange day of cricket. Hard to see us chasing this when you see how much Australia have struggled and how gung-ho we play
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Why is Lyon not allowed a runner ?
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Why is Lyon not allowed a runner ?
be abuse nobody is allowed a runner anymore.
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Well, centuries from Root and Duckett needed along with a shift each from Stokes and Bairstow, neither of which have shown up with the bat yet. If Brook can do similar to the first innings then who knows.
It was a peach to get Pope but Crawley’s dismissal was dire
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It may have been an England player (duckett) but that was out.
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No it wasn’t . The ball is dragged across the ground whilst Starc is still moving and isn’t in control of his body . The rule may be wrong but as the rule stands that wasn’t out !
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be abuse nobody is allowed a runner anymore.
I know the rule was being abused but in obvious cases like this that’s bloody ridiculous!
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Well, centuries from Root and Duckett needed along with a shift each from Stokes and Bairstow, neither of which have shown up with the bat yet. If Brook can do similar to the first innings then who knows.
It was a peach to get Pope but Crawley’s dismissal was dire
Beyond me how Crawley continues to be selected. His test average is poor. Pope’s isn’t that much better either.
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Beyond me how Crawley continues to be selected. His test average is poor. Pope’s isn’t that much better either.
What are the alternatives? Genuine question as I don’t follow county cricket
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Beyond me how Crawley continues to be selected. His test average is poor. Pope’s isn’t that much better either.
I heard a rumour that Crawley's dad is very wealthy, and donates a lot of money to the ECB. On top of this, he's very good mates with Rob Key.
It's probably rubbish, but it would make sense.
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It may have been an England player (duckett) but that was out.
Think this shows it is a problem with the laws of the game.
However, I've never known a player while they're on the move be allowed to scrape the ball along the floor whilst they're not in control of their body.
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Controversial run out for Bairstowe.
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What are the alternatives? Genuine question as I don’t follow county cricket
Not sure either mate as I don’t follow county games. Crawley’s average is only 30 at first class level which isn’t good enough. There must be someone else out there worth trying.
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Did not expect to get home after a morning out to see the game still going, let alone be chasing that total.
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Did not expect to get home after a morning out to see the game still going, let alone be chasing that total.
That changed quickly
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Cursed it mate ;D
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It may have been an England player (duckett) but that was out.
It's a borderline one and a bit harsh, but the rule does make sense. In a more extreme case, there is nothing stopping a player from slamming a ball into the ground o make sure it stays in his hand. Had Starc lost control and fumbled the catch after landing on the ground, it would be a droped catch with no complaints, therefore you shouldn't really use the ground to "make it safe" so to speak.
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Beyond me how Crawley continues to be selected. His test average is poor. Pope’s isn’t that much better either.
Duckett's emergence suggests there are openers out there worth giving a go to, but there aren't lots of obvious options.
That said, Crawley is having a decent enough series so far.
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Amazing knock by Stokes, so nearly got us into contention. The Bairstow dismissal was typical of Australia. Mankads should now we aimed for by our lot.
"Bazball" did cost us this time around, we should have been more sensible given the position we got ourselves in, but the real issue is our lack of pace bowlers. Their 4 front line seamers are quicker than all 4 of ours - even their slowest would be our quickest. In hindsight, the ashes were probably lost when Archer, Stone and Wood picked up injuries, that and Stokes not being able to bowl anything like the number of overs we need.
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As an Englishman living in Australia the stick I’m getting is pretty intense but I have to say I wish the English press wouldn’t keep going on about the Bairstow dismissal, the aussies today have got footage off Bairstow and other England players/officials trying the same run out and succeeding. It just fuels the Aussie fire and trust me you don’t need anymore fuel for that.
The spirit of cricket argument is interesting, but when it’s in the rules does it count?
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Bairstow was out. England bottled it again. Had the best of the conditions we will never have the same win mentality has the aussies
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As an Englishman living in Australia the stick I’m getting is pretty intense but I have to say I wish the English press wouldn’t keep going on about the Bairstow dismissal, the aussies today have got footage off Bairstow and other England players/officials trying the same run out and succeeding. It just fuels the Aussie fire and trust me you don’t need anymore fuel for that.
The spirit of cricket argument is interesting, but when it’s in the rules does it count?
It’s a bit like when a player is down injured and at team kicks it out. When the opposition take the throw in they 99/100 give it them back. Absolutely nothing in the rules to say you have to, by the rules you could just take the throw in and mount an attack to score, but FairPlay you don’t.
It was the end of the over, the umpires were on the move. Bairstow scraped his foot in his crease to signal he was in and then walked down to his teammate, this happens at the end of every over pretty much
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As an Englishman living in Australia the stick I’m getting is pretty intense but I have to say I wish the English press wouldn’t keep going on about the Bairstow dismissal, the aussies today have got footage off Bairstow and other England players/officials trying the same run out and succeeding. It just fuels the Aussie fire and trust me you don’t need anymore fuel for that.
The spirit of cricket argument is interesting, but when it’s in the rules does it count?
There has been a ton of false equivilance arguments made in the last 24 hours, to the surprise of nobody.
Three examples i've seen flouted by the Aussies in an attempt to say we dont play fair - Bairstow tried it mid over at the point the batsmen might try for the single, Pope succeeded as a batsmen was caught in 2 minds about a single, while some have used footage of a Foakes stumping vs I believe Ireland, where the batsmens leg came out of the crease attempting a sweep - a completely normal stumping scenario.
I don't get bogged down by "the spirit of cricket" as no batsmen nowadays walks after edging it, you have umpires giving them out 3 or 4 times a game when batsmen don't walk, but I still believe in a general sense of fair play within sport in general and cricket is in danger of going too far the other way now, at the insistence of the Australians and the Indians.
I don't like Mankads/pre delivery stumpings, but atleast you can argue the opponent was trying to get an advantage, even if I feel its flimsy. This however was a clear case of looking for a cheap wicket and exploiting a scenario. Bairstow clearly tapped in and then started walking out of his crease at the same point one of the umpires had done the same. Carey can try to argue he was watching for the single, I doubt it but he can push for that, but its "Mr nice guy" Pat Cummins who should have rescinded the appeal on the grounds Bairstow had taken it as over complete and had tapped in.
It is akin to scoring a goal in a football match when a goalkeeper goes down injured, or a boxer sparking out his opponent when they go to touch gloves. All can be argued as being legal, all can be called "Spord Smarts, uh huh", but they are s***** ways to play what is meant to be a sporting contest.
Australia/India have signalled the way things are going. I guess we will just have to join them if that's the way they want to play. No doubt the same people championing it in these nations would not be as keen if similar happened in other sports against their own nations though (having a huge interest in both countries cultures, I know that Aussie and Indian domestic sports fans are whiney as hell).
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Don't get the fuss to be honest.
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No rules were broken, storm in a teacup. move on.
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C'mon you Pears
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shocking performance again from England's cricketers so far
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shocking performance again from England's cricketers so far
Shocking performance by us or excellent bowling and fielding by them? Admittedly our catching was atrocious fist innings but the Aussies have been excellent in all 3 tests so far!
Not for the first time its all on Stokes again to try and keep us in this game! >:(
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The batting has been poor but the catching is the real reason we are on the back foot this game !
Regards the batting we have to find somebody in the top 3 that can bat for 2 or more sessions on a consistent basis. Once more we were bowled out in around 50 overs giving the bowlers very little rest within the game !
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Panic over.
Viva le Baz ball :D
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No panic but who is the next cab off the rank for top order batsmen ? Do we ask Root to bat there in a position he clearly dislikes, go back to somebody like James Vince, stick with Moeen which seems a tad unfair considering his lack of cricket or keep the golden child that is Bairstow in the side by moving him up the order !
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Absolutely ridiculous that Ben Foakes is still being ignored. Bairstow has dropped something like 7 catches so far, several of them straight forward for a so called wicket keeper, missed a couple of stumpings + been responsible for quite a few extras that he shouldn't have conceded. I'm convinced we would have been ahead in the series if Foakes has been behind the stumps. The argument that what Bairstow gives away as wicket keeper, he makes up for as a batsmen isn't holding up either in this series. His average is 23.5 I think. Foakes' test average is over 32.
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Yes agreed. The wicketkeeper often sets the tone for the fielding side. If he is efficient and energetic it spreads to the other fielders. Bairstow looks a bit heavy, not especially fit and has made too many mistakes.
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Sorry to go back to the Bairstow/Carey episode but just back from time away and caught up with it.
The number one thing is what the hell was Bairstow thinking ? There's clearly no concept of some quick scratch with your foot making you immune from any dismissal - if there was, the decision would have been overturned. The umpire hadn't called over - if the square leg umpire starts a stride to move in for the next over it's totally irrelevant as the umpire at the bowler's end is the one who calls over. I played club cricket for more than 40 years and when batting, whenever the ball went through to the keeper I'd wait a few seconds for him to pass it on to another fielder which is the real sign that that delivery is complete. Carey threw the ball within a second of the ball hitting his gloves.
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Bairstow retained ::) :(
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Bairstow retained ::) :(
I just don’t see how they justify this decision.
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A week is a long time in cricket.
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There’s a Ben Stokes documentary on Prime made last year - it’s fantastic I think even if you aren’t a cricket fan (probably won’t be reading this in that case!) it’s worth a watch as a sports fan.
He is a phenomenal sportsman and a pretty cool person too.
I’d absolutely love it if he could win this Ashes series, if there’s anybody that deserves it, it’s Ben Stokes.
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How’s about that innings from Crawley then?! Needs to smash as much as we can in the morning build as big a lead as poss and get them in to bat for the afternoon maybe?
Bit of Bazball in the morning?
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going to be fireworks this morning for sure
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Really not understanding why we haven't declared given the weather that's forecast.
I'd have been minded to have declared last night to be honest...
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I reckon its because they want to give Jimmy a last hurrah at home
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I reckon its because they want to give Jimmy a last hurrah at home
Never mind not winning the test then..
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Were right on to win mate
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Were right on to win mate
And how exactly do you reckon that's going to happen? ::)
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I reckon its because they want to give Jimmy a last hurrah at home
Sentiment over winning the Ashes? Doubt it.
I watched highlights tonight (third day in a row of not knowing the score and watching Today at the test, great way to watch!) and I was so surprised to see us batting until 3pm. Possibly batted too long but we’ll see.
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Will this rain save the Aussies? Better a draw for them than a defeat.
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Will this rain save the Aussies? Better a draw for them than a defeat.
Yes. This two day downpour is going to save the Ashes for Australia.
A crying shame because I think the series, and cricket in general, needs that final winner takes all at the Oval.
If England had won this test then they go onto win the ashes IMO.
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Fingers crossed we may get some play in today it's stopped raining for now.
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Fingers crossed we may get some play in today it's stopped raining for now.
Let’s hope the grey skies brings some swing and we can skittle ‘em. If we get out there
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Looks like we might get an hour or so, fingers crossed. Will need 3 wickets if we do, then cross our fingers for some play tomorrow.
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Australia keep the Ashes no matter what happens at the Oval.
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Massive shame as we’re we’re gigantic favourites after day three. After a pulsating 3 and a half tests it’s really disappointing for the series to end that way.
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It does raise the question about why you can't replace rained off days with a "6th" day.
A shame that the only test that has seen one side dominate has been ruined by rain. In a parallel universe, our fielders wouldn't have dropped so many catches in the 4th innings of the 1st test and the weather wouldn't have ended our hopes this weekend, as we could well be 3-1 up already. Fine margins maybe.
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It is no good preaching about the rain. That is the beauty of cricket.
We weren’t moaning about the rain in Sydney last winter, nor in 2013 and I recall us rejoicing at the oval in 2005 when the bad weather came.
We’re in this position because of a silly declaration, our sheer stupidness at Lords and our inability to hold our catches. That is what has cost us the Ashes.
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Stuart Broad retiring after thus test, what a shock. Thought he would carry in for another summer to try to chase down Anderson. What a series to go after, he's still got it on the evidence of the last few weeks.
All change for England from the winter onwards. Time for Tongue, Potts etc to stand up now.
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The Aussies have 2 days to score just over 377 at the moment. They will defend and take singles etc. We have to get it right.
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A couple of years ago there was a strong rumour that Broad was on the verge of retiring to take up a commentary position with Sky. Given the extended interview/tribute with Broad after close of play tonight I'd be shocked if he's not now joining Sky. He comes across well in interviews and the media work he's done so far and it seems a natural progression for him. It's also 2.5 years to the next Ashes series so there is some logic to the timing.
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I expect the final day will be too rain hit to give us a result and even if it stays dry, the way the Aussies batted today suggests they will get a record Oval run chase.
A disappointing end to a great series where a draw does feel the fairest result.
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Chris Woakes had an incredible series in the end, a weird thing to say after the end of the second test where he wasn't the man everyone was calling for.
Pleased for Moeen in his final test to get some key wickets, while it had to be Stuart Broad getting Carey at the end didn't it? Typical Hollywood Broad.
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A brilliant end to a brilliant test series, well done to everybody but especially Broady what a way to finish a superb career. Legend.
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A brilliant way to end a fantastic series of test match cricket.
Broad is going to be very difficult to replace. It was written in the stars that he would deliver at the end.
Broad may get the plaudits for yesterday but it’s the two Warwickshire lads that won us that test. That spell from Woakes and Moeen was pulsating and changed the complexion of the test.
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England don't have another test now until January 2024, when we have yet another series in India (the last one only being in 2021).
With Anderson getting less wickefs than Joe Root this summer and Stokes using him sparingly at times, should we expect a retirement announcement at the end of this year's county championship?
I can't see Anderson getting much hame time in India. Stokes will want to use Ahmed and Leach, meaning only 3 seamers play. I'd imagine for the first test that will be Wood, Robinson and Tongue. Anderson might get taken at the 4th seamer, unless Archer/Stone are fit.
There is a busy schedule next summer with 3 West Indies tests and 3 Sri Lanka tests so Anderson could finish against slightly easier batting line ups, but will he keep going to age 42?
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I guess a lot may depend on how seriously Stokes takes his off spin bowling. His lack of Sean bowling does provide an additional problem for this side as it leaves us incredibly short.
Neither Woakes or Anderson should go to India so the natural replacements are Ahmed and Leach. The loss of Woakes does take away his ability for handy runs in the middle order.
Crawley, Duckett, Pope, Root, Brook, Stokes, Bairstow, Wood, Ahmed, Robinson, Leach
If Stokes can turn himself into a spinner then Tongue/Potts comes into replace Ahmed. We then have Leach, Root & Stokes as the spin options. That probably provides the side with more balance.
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Anderson is currently on 690 test match wickets. He’ll retire when he gets to 700.
The home tests next year against a poor West Indies side give him the option to do that.
When he reaches 700 it’s at that point he’ll call it a day.
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A couple of years ago there was a strong rumour that Broad was on the verge of retiring to take up a commentary position with Sky. Given the extended interview/tribute with Broad after close of play tonight I'd be shocked if he's not now joining Sky. He comes across well in interviews and the media work he's done so far and it seems a natural progression for him. It's also 2.5 years to the next Ashes series so there is some logic to the timing.
He already has a deal with Sky. He covers a lot of their coverage of the hundred so I guess he will now become a permanent fixture alongside Nasser, Athers and Butch.
Also gives him some time to dedicate towards his pub.
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The ECB confirm we will host Zimbabwe for a one off 4 day test match in 2025, location to be confirmed (probably Lord's or the Oval as per usual). Haven't played them since 2003, Anderson's test debut. We stopped playing them due to the political situation over there, which doesn't appear to have really changed (Mugabe has died but has been replaced by one of his right hand men Mnangagwa). I guess thr ECB have realised it wasn't having much impact and they can't keep not playing the smaller nations, although I'd have been more interested in seeing Bangladesh come over here for the first time in years.
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World cup side named. Harry Brook and Jofra Archer only being taken as reserves, Brook maybe missing out due to Stokes coming out of retirement. Malan and Livingstone get the 2 middle order spots that were probably still up for grabs. Pleased to see the under rated David Willey get a spot in the bowling line up alongside Wood, Woakes, Rashid, Ali, Curran, Topley and new boy Gus Atkinson.
Atkinson has recently emerged and can bowl at 95mph top speed. He is in consideration for a test spot next year, which is welcome given Broad's retirement, Anderson's fading form and Archer, Mahmood and Stone's injuries.
Atkinson is also in the twenty twenty side to face New Zealand. He will be joined by the exciting Luke Wood who has looked good in the hundred, the long term replacement to David Willey, plus South African born John Turner and Josh Tongue, not to forget Rehan Ahmed.
Surprised to see Luke Wright is now the national selector.
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Not sure whether anyone else here follows cricket, or have been watching our pitiful defence of the One Day International trophy, but it has been an utter embarrassment.
We are currently limping along in our penultimate game against the Netherlands as we seek to avoid finishing bottom. We may well win this one as the opposition are so poor, but root (no pun intended) and branch change is needed to the One Day side after this tournament.
The likes of Sam Hain who is the best 50 over player in the world still not being selected has to end.
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Yes it's been an abject display by England in this tournament...it's not just the losing but the failure to compete in a lot of the games. There must have been something going on in the camp. There was also the very strangely timed announcement of the next player contracts during this tournament with David Willey the only player not to get any contract.
Players have massively underperformed. It's as though they've forgotten how to think the game through and just rely on the full guns blazing approach at all times.
As for the call for major changes, maybe but they've just given contracts to the vast majority of these players so there's unlikely to be a major cull in the near future.
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The contracts don’t make much sense to me because if you review this squad then how many make the next World Cup?
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Stokes, Ali, Woakes, Wood, Wiley, Rashid to name but a few will not be there.
The timing of them - during a World Cup - was pathetic. David Wiley has already commented on how angry, upset and disappointed it’s made him feel during the tournament. You will not play good cricket in those conditions.
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Mildly surprised to read nothing of yesterday's win :-X .
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It's been such a disappointment after the excitement of the last World Cup. It's been quite odd to watch us just suddenly unravel