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« Reply #300 on: October 23, 2024, 10:26:55 PM »
On coach home. Should have nicked that before with first half chances.

Very good chances spurned by Furlong and Heggem that would have won us the game. Safe journey home.

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« Reply #301 on: October 23, 2024, 10:38:28 PM »
Decent point. Diangana and Ajayi were miles off. McNair, Molumby and Maja all excellent and Swift made a difference for me. I’d be starting Swift in the next game as he gives us control.

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« Reply #302 on: October 23, 2024, 10:44:22 PM »
Good point away from home against a side who had won every match at home this season until tonight. Blackburn are a good side at this level, but we controlled them and restricted them to 2 shots on target all game. Made them look very ordinary. I suspect that most of us would have been content with a draw before the match. Happy with the result.

One of the most sensible posts I've seen on here for the last few weeks, some comments have been laughable.  The expectations of some fans are far too high.

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« Reply #303 on: October 23, 2024, 10:46:43 PM »
Blackburn unbeaten at home but they  but look who they’ve beat.

Derby, Oxford, Bristol, QPR, Swansea. I’d hope we’d beat 4 out of 5 of those at home. I know you can only beat who you play but to much is being put in to stats at the start of this season in general. The stats matter when the season is more developed. We havent been bad , but truth is we have been bang average. Looking suspect at the back and now fellows isnt finding maja we dont have huge threat up top. Finishing top 6 is a big ask IMO

BB only just survived being relegated last season. we allowed them to control play too much. (Down to CC).

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« Reply #304 on: October 23, 2024, 10:50:38 PM »
I was generally happy with this performance. On Saturday I was probably the most annoyed I've been under Carlos's reign with the mentality of that performance at Oxford but I'm much happier with how we went about things tonight even though the two results provided the same outcome.

We really shouldve won. Both Furlong and Heggem have to score, they are two bad misses. I don't blame McNair for not scoring from Fellows' cross, McNair flung himself at it, it wasn't as if he didn't read it or was caught on heels, it's just plain bad luck that he isn't half an inch taller.

We shouldve had a stonewall penalty, really poor refereeing.

The only thing that irritated me a bit was when Blackburn were clearly desperate for the whistle, we had an opportunity for a quick long throw into their box and Carlos decides to let them settle by making a double sub with 80 seconds left on the countdown. Why, why, why, why, why? Keep the pressure on them! No point in making those changes whatsoever, but especially when it kills our momentum!

We need to build on this at home to Cardiff on Saturday.

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« Reply #305 on: October 23, 2024, 11:03:02 PM »

BB only just survived being relegated last season. we allowed them to control play too much. (Down to CC).

We missed two sitters that would have tilted control totally in our favour. Was that down to CC too?
I’m not sure what some expect from these still average players.

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« Reply #306 on: October 23, 2024, 11:09:50 PM »
We missed two sitters that would have tilted control totally in our favour. Was that down to CC too?
I’m not sure what some expect from these still average players.

Yes. Down to CC ! Too cautious as a lot of posters' have said. Need to go for the jugular and become an Albion manager.

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« Reply #307 on: October 23, 2024, 11:20:58 PM »
I was generally happy with this performance. On Saturday I was probably the most annoyed I've been under Carlos's reign with the mentality of that performance at Oxford but I'm much happier with how we went about things tonight even though the two results provided the same outcome.

We really shouldve won. Both Furlong and Heggem have to score, they are two bad misses. I don't blame McNair for not scoring from Fellows' cross, McNair flung himself at it, it wasn't as if he didn't read it or was caught on heels, it's just plain bad luck that he isn't half an inch taller.

We shouldve had a stonewall penalty, really poor refereeing.

The only thing that irritated me a bit was when Blackburn were clearly desperate for the whistle, we had an opportunity for a quick long throw into their box and Carlos decides to let them settle by making a double sub with 80 seconds left on the countdown. Why, why, why, why, why? Keep the pressure on them! No point in making those changes whatsoever, but especially when it kills our momentum!

We need to build on this at home to Cardiff on Saturday.
being fair we tried that twice against Huddersfield and Leicester last season in the dying minutes, they both went on to counter and we lost.
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« Reply #308 on: October 24, 2024, 02:48:07 AM »
being fair we tried that twice against Huddersfield and Leicester last season in the dying minutes, they both went on to counter and we lost.

True but there's a time to and a time not to. To not shut up shop against Leicester was plain stupid in my view, similarly after coming from 2 down at Sheff Wed.

Last night Blackburn had taken off forwards and were clearly waiting for the whistle. It would've been nice to give them one last chance to crack, which they probably wouldn't have to be fair.

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« Reply #309 on: October 24, 2024, 07:06:22 AM »
Good point away from home against a side who had won every match at home this season until tonight. Blackburn are a good side at this level, but we controlled them and restricted them to 2 shots on target all game. Made them look very ordinary. I suspect that most of us would have been content with a draw before the match. Happy with the result.
I think you have summed up CCs thought process there. Take a draw and get out of Dodge
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« Reply #310 on: October 24, 2024, 07:25:05 AM »
Team full of goals eh, when are we going to score a hatful
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« Reply #311 on: October 24, 2024, 07:43:22 AM »
Team full of goals eh, when are we going to score a hatful
The hype about Blackburns home form was unfounded. Like us they have accumulated their points against the poorer sides. Blackburn mid-table at best.
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« Reply #312 on: October 24, 2024, 08:41:55 AM »
I don’t think anyone says he’s beyond criticism. It’s just some people on here don’t like to listen to an argument opposite to their own. I don’t mean you by the way
I honestly wouldn’t be offended if you did.
There seems to be some on here that will defend the manager regardless ,and if anyone offers fair criticism they get shot down with
It’s Lai’s fault
It’s Pearce’s fault
He’s not Bruce or Val
He’s had no money

But the real truth is he hasn’t (so far) shown that he has a plan b or c
He has shown some stubborn and quite frankly daft tendencies to make the same subs at the same times in almost every match .
He has apparently bombed almost all of the new signings
He has benefited from having some decisions made for him (McNair last night)
And his insistence on playing his mate even if it is for 1 minute is just ludicrous

Those that say he is better than any recent incumbent I don’t agree
Over the last 5 matches I believe Billic would have gained more points ,We would not have lost vs Weds/Boro under Allardyce and I’m pretty bloody certain with Pullis in the dugout 1-0 at Ixford stays 1-0 at Oxford.

I don’t have any money on Corberan being sacked,I’d much rather he saw what most can see with their eyes ,but I most definitely am not going to just agree that he’s fine and we should stick with him regardless,for the money he is in and the position he is in…he should at least be made to answer the question
**what could you possibly be thinking could happen by bringing Wallace in with 1 minute of added time to go ????
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« Reply #313 on: October 24, 2024, 08:46:21 AM »
One of the most sensible posts I've seen on here for the last few weeks, some comments have been laughable.  The expectations of some fans are far too high.
It’s sensible if you agree with it

These teams that they have beaten at home consist of 2 that were league one last term and 3 very average others .
What’s laughable is putting Jed Wallace in in stoppage time,but I’d be really happy to understand why anyone thinks that was a good move by our tactical genius?
The expectation is that someone in charge of a squad …utilises that squad ?
McNair was the best player over the 90 mins yesterday and was ONLY playing because one of the coaches favourites was injured.
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« Reply #314 on: October 24, 2024, 09:27:14 AM »
Just watched the highlights. Someone needs to ask the referee or his superiors why he didn’t give that penalty. It was so blatant.

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« Reply #315 on: October 24, 2024, 09:28:08 AM »
I honestly wouldn’t be offended if you did.
There seems to be some on here that will defend the manager regardless ,and if anyone offers fair criticism they get shot down with
It’s Lai’s fault
It’s Pearce’s fault
He’s not Bruce or Val
He’s had no money

But the real truth is he hasn’t (so far) shown that he has a plan b or c
He has shown some stubborn and quite frankly daft tendencies to make the same subs at the same times in almost every match .
He has apparently bombed almost all of the new signings
He has benefited from having some decisions made for him (McNair last night)
And his insistence on playing his mate even if it is for 1 minute is just ludicrous

Those that say he is better than any recent incumbent I don’t agree
Over the last 5 matches I believe Billic would have gained more points ,We would not have lost vs Weds/Boro under Allardyce and I’m pretty bloody certain with Pullis in the dugout 1-0 at Ixford stays 1-0 at Oxford.

I don’t have any money on Corberan being sacked,I’d much rather he saw what most can see with their eyes ,but I most definitely am not going to just agree that he’s fine and we should stick with him regardless,for the money he is in and the position he is in…he should at least be made to answer the question
**what could you possibly be thinking could happen by bringing Wallace in with 1 minute of added time to go ????
But for the sake of balance, even if it was true that there are some on here that defend the manager regardless, equally there are some on here that continually dwell on the negatives and rarely have a good word to say about him. Honestly, you would think were were 24th, not 4th, reading some of the comments.

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« Reply #316 on: October 24, 2024, 09:32:17 AM »
But for the sake of balance, even if it was true that there are some on here that defend the manager regardless, equally there are some on here that continually dwell on the negatives and rarely have a good word to say about him. Honestly, you would think were were 24th, not 4th, reading some of the comments.
1st or 24th
If there are things that make no sense then they can’t be defended?
I understand the further up the table the less the noise and the more forgivable some things..
Do you see any merit in bringing Wallace on at that point last night ?
If youre going to get told off, get told off for doing something not for doing nothing..

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« Reply #317 on: October 24, 2024, 09:37:46 AM »
1st or 24th
If there are things that make no sense then they can’t be defended?
I understand the further up the table the less the noise and the more forgivable some things..
Do you see any merit in bringing Wallace on at that point last night ?
Nope.

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« Reply #318 on: October 24, 2024, 09:44:04 AM »
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McNair was the best player over the 90 mins yesterday and was ONLY playing because one of the coaches favourites was injured.

Really?  In terms of forward passes to his midfield or further , he was just as poor as Bartley.  Mostly he played the ball to Ajayi sometimes dangerously so.  He did make one timely tackle in the box but to say he was better than Molumby casts doubt on your other opinions. 

It's all about opinion though isn't it?  I think that both managers were playing for a draw from 75-80 mins.  Eustace brought of his two most effective attackers (Cantwell and Dolan) so we possibly should have tried to take all 3 points .

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« Reply #319 on: October 24, 2024, 10:14:44 AM »
A pretty non eventful game really - neither side creating any clear cut chances.

Heggem and Furlong have to take at least one of their chances in the first half.

Bit worrying to see how our attacking play has really tailed off in recent weeks.

Thought McNair was good - benefit of him is that he's good with the ball and should help us play out from the back.
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« Reply #320 on: October 24, 2024, 10:18:32 AM »
But for the sake of balance, even if it was true that there are some on here that defend the manager regardless, equally there are some on here that continually dwell on the negatives and rarely have a good word to say about him. Honestly, you would think were were 24th, not 4th, reading some of the comments.

If you  consider what type of results these current performances are likely to lead to moving forwards, then I think there’s reason for some concern. I’d imagine / hope we will get more than 3 points from the next 5 games, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s only 6 or 7 and that assumes we beat Cardiff which isn’t certain




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« Reply #321 on: October 24, 2024, 10:28:38 AM »
Really?  In terms of forward passes to his midfield or further , he was just as poor as Bartley.  Mostly he played the ball to Ajayi sometimes dangerously so.  He did make one timely tackle in the box but to say he was better than Molumby casts doubt on your other opinions. 

It's all about opinion though isn't it?  I think that both managers were playing for a draw from 75-80 mins.  Eustace brought of his two most effective attackers (Cantwell and Dolan) so we possibly should have tried to take all 3 points .
You not agreeing with one opinion doesn’t mean they are all wrong (or that one)
Those 2 for me were our best players…Maja clearly is a great footballer but gets no service.
The point still stands ,If Bartley wasn’t injured McNair wouldn’t have even been considered ..
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« Reply #322 on: October 24, 2024, 10:30:43 AM »
If you  consider what type of results these current performances are likely to lead to moving forwards, then I think there’s reason for some concern. I’d imagine / hope we will get more than 3 points from the next 5 games, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it’s only 6 or 7 and that assumes we beat Cardiff which isn’t certain
Saturday is now a big concern
Robinson (who is in good form) will be well up for this ,if we lose then Carlos will have big questions to answer …
Patel is a businessman…he will do what’s right for his investment…
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« Reply #323 on: October 24, 2024, 10:47:38 AM »
Amazingly we go 4th with that result. Doesn’t feel like it after 5 games without a win. Worrying that Corberan doesn’t feel he can turn to the summer signings still a quarter of the way into the season. Our summer transfer business does look worse and worse with each passing game.

I think the only Summer signing that hasn't got league minutes is Cole.

Anyway last night's game was a dull affair a draw was probably the fair result and one that benefits us more than Blackburn.
Mowatt was unusually sloppy on a few occasions, Fellows was pretty anonymous and to be honest I'd consider dropping him.
Maja huffed and puffed but isn't getting an real service. Grant was busy but below par.
Ajayi looked very shaky and I'd also think about dropping him and move Heggem inside with either Frabotta or Styles at LB.

We could have won it with Heggem and Furlong both missing decent chances.

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« Reply #324 on: October 24, 2024, 10:54:05 AM »
Saturday is now a big concern
Robinson (who is in good form) will be well up for this ,if we lose then Carlos will have big questions to answer …
Patel is a businessman…he will do what’s right for his investment…

He will ultimately but he's also loyal. I don't think replacing CC is anywhere near close. Patel will give him every possible chance.