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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #550 on: January 29, 2024, 11:12:11 AM »
I don't think potential buyers will be put off by a couple of scuffles, 5 arrests were made in the ground and no doubt more will follow, an internal investigation will have to happen to ensure ticket holders are fully accountable and we move on. Not the first and wont be the last, Millwall at the back of the Smethwick was worse than this, its just been exaggerated in the media due to it being on national TV.

Only  couple of scuffles?  Bottles flying everywhere , reports of a pitch invasion and so-called Baggies supporters fighting the police.  No matter who started it, two things  were clear:

a) there was overreaction from our so-called supporters
b) Hawthorns stewards were slow to react so it's on us.

I am very depressed.  It's easy to make an example of an EFL side to warn the EPL teams.  We need to lawyer up.

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« Reply #551 on: January 29, 2024, 11:16:12 AM »
Not going to comment about the pathetic carry on after their second goal as it's been done to death.

As for the game, pretty much as expected. £100m worth of players in front of goal made all the difference. You know what you'll get from us, work hard, be well organised and if their extra quality pays on the day the fair play. That Neto and Cunha are proper players, an actual number 9 in their side and you'd have to say they've got a realistic chance of sneaking into the Euro spots or at least having a good crack at a cup run now.

For us, I'll never complain at a defeat if I think the players have left it all out there. We knew where our deficiencies were, nothing changes after yesterday. Onto the Blues game now.

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« Reply #552 on: January 29, 2024, 11:26:07 AM »
Only  couple of scuffles?  Bottles flying everywhere , reports of a pitch invasion and so-called Baggies supporters fighting the police.  No matter who started it, two things  were clear:

a) there was overreaction from our so-called supporters
b) Hawthorns stewards were slow to react so it's on us.

I am very depressed.  It's easy to make an example of an EFL side to warn the EPL teams.  We need to lawyer up.

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The TWO scuffles in question, 1 Millenium corner, one Halfords corner - both over within a couple of minutes!

Bottles flying everywhere? I saw one aimed at a player which was bang out of order (as was them throwing a flair into the MC when they scored the first! goal)

Pitch invasion (if you can call it that) was a woman trying to nutmeg a steward and a man holding his scarf up at the dingles (2 people out of 27,000?)

Not excusing anything, just saying IMO it was exaggerated and ive seen worse up the Hawthorns that has not had the media coverage this has

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« Reply #553 on: January 29, 2024, 11:41:33 AM »
Ok I see.

Not sure what doing it on the street has to do with it, if I dived in at someone’s feet randomly I’d probably be arrested too. My point was that the chap rolled around holding his face despite is face not being touched, and then Dawson ran over claiming he’d elbowed him, when he hadn’t.
It was a forearm smash to the next and face. OK, Cunha made the most of it... most players do but if there was VAR, that would probably be a red.

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« Reply #554 on: January 29, 2024, 11:41:51 AM »
we were fortunate wolves were only in second gear. we huffed and puffed as per. lets hope this striker from west ham can bang a few in
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« Reply #555 on: January 29, 2024, 11:50:59 AM »
It was a forearm smash to the next and face. OK, Cunha made the most of it... most players do but if there was VAR, that would probably be a red.

First contact was with the chest. And as Cunha goes does the forearm slips upward into his head. Definite cause for mitigation to the TMO won't be upgrading the sin bin to a red...wait, wrong sport!
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« Reply #556 on: January 29, 2024, 12:55:00 PM »
The TWO scuffles in question, 1 Millenium corner, one Halfords corner - both over within a couple of minutes!

Bottles flying everywhere? I saw one aimed at a player which was bang out of order (as was them throwing a flair into the MC when they scored the first! goal)

Pitch invasion (if you can call it that) was a woman trying to nutmeg a steward and a man holding his scarf up at the dingles (2 people out of 27,000?)

Not excusing anything, just saying IMO it was exaggerated and ive seen worse up the Hawthorns that has not had the media coverage this has

Interesting: that's not how it's being reported. 
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« Reply #557 on: January 29, 2024, 01:16:08 PM »
Two scuffles? The whole episode was unsavoury. Fans coming from all stands to join in or get it on their phones. Mindless thugs who have certainly tarnished the image of the club.
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« Reply #558 on: January 29, 2024, 02:32:33 PM »
Interesting: that's not how it's being reported.
I'm reporting what I saw with my own eyes, not condoning it in any way, shape or form but also not buying the exaggerated version that the media are portraying it to be!
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« Reply #559 on: January 29, 2024, 02:42:54 PM »
First contact was with the chest. And as Cunha goes does the forearm slips upward into his head. Definite cause for mitigation to the TMO won't be upgrading the sin bin to a red...wait, wrong sport!

I thought it was a forearm smash in all honesty😂

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« Reply #560 on: January 29, 2024, 03:17:14 PM »
The TWO scuffles in question, 1 Millenium corner, one Halfords corner - both over within a couple of minutes!

Bottles flying everywhere? I saw one aimed at a player which was bang out of order (as was them throwing a flair into the MC when they scored the first! goal)

Pitch invasion (if you can call it that) was a woman trying to nutmeg a steward and a man holding his scarf up at the dingles (2 people out of 27,000?)

Not excusing anything, just saying IMO it was exaggerated and ive seen worse up the Hawthorns that has not had the media coverage this has
If you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen,I also saw it with my own eyes
Smoke bombs from them
Bottles at least 10 from us
Police with batons hitting indiscriminately
Extra police reinforcements sped in because it really wasn’t under control …

It was not a good look at all
I think it’s underestimated how close yesterday got to being a complete car crash
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« Reply #561 on: January 29, 2024, 04:04:33 PM »
First contact was with the chest. And as Cunha goes does the forearm slips upward into his head. Definite cause for mitigation to the TMO won't be upgrading the sin bin to a red...wait, wrong sport!

Yes no attempted wrap all shoulder and forearm he would have been off In the Rugby! Hopefully no upgrade from the fa they love throwing the book at us
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« Reply #562 on: January 29, 2024, 04:07:06 PM »
Unfortunately today its already been discussed on Talksport breakfast show, featured on itv and bbc news and an article in the mirror (quite probably other media outlets too)

The media will exagerrate it but the Mirror says we are culpable and if as it sounds the Wolves fans in the Albion end got tickets through Albion connections, its hard to argue.

Whatever the whos and whys, there is no doubt this is bad coverage of the club when we need it the least, i love the derby games, that bit of atmosphere and edge, lots of banter and stick but thats where it should end.

Its worrying people cant sit in other stands in the first place, and if they do they cant keep quiet and that some of our fans solution was to batter them, i like the passion but how can you risk your freedom, watching the team you support, etc for a game of football?!

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« Reply #563 on: January 29, 2024, 04:08:26 PM »
Difference in quality in the strike line the only and telling difference. Can't fault their efforts they all run through walls for the cause. Think we should have started Palmer. If he really wanted to give Griffiths a game he could have done so in a league game. Also Fellows not starting hurt us.

Yokusulu was my man of the match. BTA was a nuisance but fluffed his line when he could have taken a touch. On to the next one.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #564 on: January 29, 2024, 04:49:17 PM »
Yes no attempted wrap all shoulder and forearm he would have been off In the Rugby! Hopefully no upgrade from the fa they love throwing the book at us

I think as he was given a yellow it can't be looked at again. For me it was a red but oh well never mind  :D
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« Reply #565 on: January 29, 2024, 05:58:04 PM »
My worry is they’ll want to make an example to try and stop things like this again. We’re not particularly well liked so it’s a perfect opportunity in my opinion.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the punishment exceeds what’s been given in the past.

As for the football, Bartleys body check was just that however everyone seems to have missed Dawsons high leg in the first half that went unpunished. That for me was a worse tackle.

We huffed and puffed but ultimately undone by two good finishes by players that cost more than our football club.

100%, this is my concern too. Especially for a club strapped for cash.

My other concern is the damage it will have done to our reputation as a club. Not only among other teams and fans (who I’m sure will now treat us differently for away games), but our own fans and prospective new fans, not to mention any prospective buyers of the club. Can you imagine if any of the interested parties involved in the potential takeover were at the game and what they would have thought of it? Breaking news across the UK doesn’t reflect well at all on the club, and has certainly tarnished any ‘family’ club/sensible fan base vibes.

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« Reply #566 on: January 29, 2024, 06:02:21 PM »
I actually thought we were the better team overall - I was hoping it wasn't going to be a case of men and boys but it was far from that. We created some opportunities but our lack of killer instinct was ultimately the difference. Our forward cost £300k and their forward cost £44m. That's where the game was lost.

That corner will haunt me for a while though - I am not sure what we were doing to be honest. Given we had Bartley, Kipre and Furlong on the pitch then that ball should have been in the six yard box. Not faffing about to the edge of the penalty area against a side who are very good on the counter. We were asking for trouble and they punished us for it.
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« Reply #567 on: January 29, 2024, 06:11:42 PM »
I actually thought we were the better team overall - I was hoping it wasn't going to be a case of men and boys but it was far from that. We created some opportunities but our lack of killer instinct was ultimately the difference. Our forward cost £300k and their forward cost £44m. That's where the game was lost.

That corner will haunt me for a while though - I am not sure what we were doing to be honest. Given we had Bartley, Kipre and Furlong on the pitch then that ball should have been in the six yard box. Not faffing about to the edge of the penalty area against a side who are very good on the counter. We were asking for trouble and they punished us for it.
The worst thing with the corner is it's not like Jed Wallace has previous for smashing them in on the volley from outside the box so I'm baffled by what the plan was. I'd just said to my old man how well Mowatt was playing then he did that.

I think we had the better chances overall but they finished theres, feel Griffiths bit weak for both.


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« Reply #568 on: January 29, 2024, 06:50:25 PM »
I think as he was given a yellow it can't be looked at again. For me it was a red but oh well never mind  :D
It was a red…oh well
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« Reply #569 on: January 29, 2024, 06:51:25 PM »
100%, this is my concern too. Especially for a club strapped for cash.

My other concern is the damage it will have done to our reputation as a club. Not only among other teams and fans (who I’m sure will now treat us differently for away games), but our own fans and prospective new fans, not to mention any prospective buyers of the club. Can you imagine if any of the interested parties involved in the potential takeover were at the game and what they would have thought of it? Breaking news across the UK doesn’t reflect well at all on the club, and has certainly tarnished any ‘family’ club/sensible fan base vibes.
If the new buyers were at the game…who got them their tickets ???😀
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« Reply #570 on: January 29, 2024, 06:58:06 PM »
A decent reputation takes years to build and 30 minutes to destroy
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« Reply #571 on: January 29, 2024, 07:08:54 PM »
A decent reputation takes years to build and 30 minutes to destroy
38 minutes yesterday
Weirdly everyone has been reporting 35 today
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« Reply #572 on: January 29, 2024, 09:53:44 PM »
It's been a fair few years since I've posted on here, of course this was a monumental occasion and it had me gripped and have been closely following the forum with the build up and the reaction. Thought I'd post my reflection, mostly from on the pitch - the football.

There was initial fears going into this, of course the record but I had to brace myself the time would be up eventually and the picture going into the game displayed a major gulf between the teams, as with the two divisions, proved in a few recent games. The reality was that they had significant investment and real star quality in the squad of a very good standard of premier league level, with a strong chance this would showcase itself possibly in a very embarrassing and damaging manner. Just maybe the saving grace would be our impressive home record. 

Result aside I was pleasantly surprised with the outcome and general nature of competitiveness of the match, in many areas we may have just shaded it and more than held our own, there was not much in that game at all. We looked composed, defended well, maintained a solid shape, comfortable possession and I would say for a good portion of the game looked the more threatening team. I find it hard to fault any of our players performances and I would say as a collective unit did a very good job, arguably better on that front, Wolves didn't look great.

I mentioned the word star quality, that was the difference, as expected. Neto, Cunha and I think Kilman were the difference in the match with some exceptional performances or decisive moments. I would say Decisive is another word you really highlight when you look at a few of our moments, not consistently glorious chances but one of the Thomas-Asante chances goes in and you're looking at a completely different game. That's the levels of the two teams at the end of the day and I'm very proud with what the lads put into that and deserved their round of applause at the end.

I was alarmed by the goalkeeper decision going in, I have since read the comments by CC but again I think its on of those what if's that he got wrong on this occasion. I wouldn't say glaringly obvious errors, I'm not a goalkeeper but sometimes you have the simple perspective that a goal doesn't look right going in, both have a case for that but more strongly the second goal. Made a good save after that, and Grittiths looked composed on the ball, seemed to be a calm head but that one was a worry from the point of teams being released and I believe proved right.

That's about it on the match, I really hope it comes round again sooner rather than later, with fans, up until the obvious it gave me everything that is so appetising about the fixture, even if I thought the Wolves fans were very quiet.

The rest, I guess we have to wait but it doesn't look good, I don't know how deep the punishment goes. The Wolves fan would most likely deserve everything he got from those around him if he did provoke and from what I've seen that wasn't too excessive. It's very much the assumption that an Albion fan provided the ticket so there's definitely shared blame. I await the punishments. Real shame though, that includes the other bits, more so than what happened on the pitch.


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« Reply #573 on: January 29, 2024, 10:38:11 PM »
Just a thought but if our reputation is damaged and prospective owners are looking on, is it time to ditch the liquidator for a good while or at least modify it ? It's perfectly possible to change the 'lyrics' to a pro Albion chant rather than telling the opposition (or Wolves whichever it is) to f*** off.
Starting every home game with that chant after yesterday's events just doesn't sit right. Does anyone else's pre match public address song involve anything similar ?
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« Reply #574 on: January 29, 2024, 10:51:00 PM »
Just a thought but if our reputation is damaged and prospective owners are looking on, is it time to ditch the liquidator for a good while or at least modify it ? It's perfectly possible to change the 'lyrics' to a pro Albion chant rather than telling the opposition (or Wolves whichever it is) to f*** off.
Starting every home game with that chant after yesterday's events just doesn't sit right. Does anyone else's pre match public address song involve anything similar ?

We need to get Ray King to re-record 'West Bromwich Albion' using new lyrics.
"You've got to go man go for Carlos Corberan" still works for me...

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