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« Reply #3525 on: October 21, 2024, 06:53:24 AM »
Certainly looks that way doesn't it - seem to remember media suggesting Carlos really wanted Styles though.

At the end of last season at least we had Weimann to come off the bench , we now don’t appear to have a forward who is trusted to even go on the bench . To end up with Wallace or Dobbin as your only other options in that situation.is really poor in my opinion .

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« Reply #3526 on: October 21, 2024, 08:16:48 AM »
I think Carlos Corberan is a pragmatic, very consistent head coach, he grinds out points, he's  the sort that will get any team to around the play off positions. I don't think he would get automatic promotion with ANY club because he's too risk averse.

Leeds will go up this season with Farke in charge all season, that'd what Farke does, he gets clubs promoted.If and when Leeds do go up they will struggle to stay up under Farke they would probably stand a far better chance with Corberan in charge ironically, because of the type of head coach he is.

I fully expect us to finish top six but if we don't go up this season I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bilkull look at changing our head coach. This club needs promotion, much as I can't stand the Premier League.

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« Reply #3527 on: October 21, 2024, 08:28:21 AM »
It was only a few short weeks ago that you were predicting that we would finish first or second and you were worrying that we might not be able to keep CC. Now you think that it's all going to end badly !! Stop worrying, it will be fine. we won't finish top 2 but it's not going to end badly either. Get yourself into a somewhere in the middle (top 6) frame of mind  ;D
With this squad we could finish top 2
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« Reply #3528 on: October 21, 2024, 10:23:27 AM »
No way top 2, I can't think of any player in the squad that teams like Leeds or Sunderland would pat good money for.
By the teams he picks, it's clear that Cc never wanted Frabotta whose replacement in the PL2 side last week looked better. Diakite might get up to pace but these things take time..

I stand by my initial prediction that this is a 10 to 6 to placed squad.  My Sunderland prediction is holding up.  People need to take of the blinkers and look at other squads.
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« Reply #3529 on: October 21, 2024, 11:31:13 AM »
No way top 2, I can't think of any player in the squad that teams like Leeds or Sunderland would pat good money for.
By the teams he picks, it's clear that Cc never wanted Frabotta whose replacement in the PL2 side last week looked better. Diakite might get up to pace but these things take time..

I stand by my initial prediction that this is a 10 to 6 to placed squad.  My Sunderland prediction is holding up.  People need to take of the blinkers and look at other squads.
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« Reply #3530 on: October 21, 2024, 11:54:22 AM »
Poor again from CC at the weekend and as ive said a few times, im a huge fan.

we need to stop this going 1-0 up and trying to iron it out for 40-70 minutes.

step up the pace, continue to press and finish the game off. particularly against poor opposition.

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« Reply #3531 on: October 21, 2024, 12:27:21 PM »
Poor again from CC at the weekend and as ive said a few times, im a huge fan.

we need to stop this going 1-0 up and trying to iron it out for 40-70 minutes.

step up the pace, continue to press and finish the game off. particularly against poor opposition.

We still created chances in the second half. Our intensity was down in the second half but this suggestion that we score one then park the bus is not backed up by match stats.
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« Reply #3532 on: October 21, 2024, 02:08:38 PM »
Although i have followed the Albion for over 65 years i am no football expert and bow down to the experience and knowledge of fellow posters on here.
 I am a huge fan of Carlos, due to his passion, knowledge and work rate which i believe is perfectly suited  to the situation we currently find ourselves in and the long term project that  we are undertaking.
Posters talk about his predictable set-ups, substitutions and apparent stubbornness, linked to a degree of favouritism and his failure to blood new recruits or youngsters.
These seem to be arguably valid points especially when based on observations from experienced match attendees, of which I cannot unfortunately be one.
However I would point out that given over 88% of us, when polled,  expected a final league of lower than halfway, the fact that we are sitting a few points away from the automatic promotion slots is an indication that given all of his foibles Carlos gets more things right then wrong.
Talk of his departure, are premature at best and madness at worst.


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« Reply #3533 on: October 21, 2024, 02:50:47 PM »
 We are well placed presently, but if Carlos stick's with his "limited" group of players, that stance, together with much more difficult fixtures to come, will see us start to slide. I have no doubt in my mind about that.
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« Reply #3534 on: October 21, 2024, 03:24:02 PM »
If we start to slide significantly , then the position of the Coach will have to looked at by the Ownership.
 If their expectation is a promotion push and Carlos is not delivering then it is their option to consider his position.
My personal view is that given our financial position and the restrictions on wages, and that we are currently the 10th valued squad , anything above 10th would be a success and that the play offs would be a resounding achievement this season.

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« Reply #3535 on: October 21, 2024, 04:09:07 PM »
Before we started the season I said 12th, because I thought what we had left would still generally be competitive in any given game but had no idea what depth would look like at the end of the window (or how good players like Heggam or Diakite that had already come in would be). 

At the end of the window, depth looked better so I said 7th and competing for the play offs. the fact we are still mostly running with last years players as starters though shows the depth is not as good as some of us hope though not unless some of the new boys are really going to take off and over from players we know better but that looks less likely with each appearance (or lack of)


We’ve played (I think) 5 of the bottom 7 and performances against some of those have been poor.  We have played 3 of the current top half and not beaten any of them. In the next 10 we play 1,2,4,6,7 plus Luton and Cov who should both pick up, it’s certainly getting harder on paper.

7th might even be tough, and 5th as good as it can reasonably get I think. One things fairly clear to me though, CC won’t change majorly. Plan B is be better at plan A.

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« Reply #3536 on: October 21, 2024, 05:19:59 PM »
 I don't know how good Cole is but apparently he was a     reasonable striker in league 1 so surely he is more likely to score than most midfielders so as we  can't score he should be given a chance.
 At the moment  if Maja is not in a scoring position the midfielders and wingers have got no body to aim for who is likely to score.

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« Reply #3537 on: October 21, 2024, 06:58:11 PM »
At the end of last season at least we had Weimann to come off the bench , we now don’t appear to have a forward who is trusted to even go on the bench . To end up with Wallace or Dobbin as your only other options in that situation.is really poor in my opinion .

No we didn't. I haven't even checked but I'm pretty sure he didn't even make the squad for the last few games. And he's not really a forward in the same sense as a Maja either.
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« Reply #3538 on: October 21, 2024, 07:15:46 PM »
I don't know how good Cole is but apparently he was a     reasonable striker in league 1 so surely he is more likely to score than most midfielders so as we  can't score he should be given a chance.
 At the moment  if Maja is not in a scoring position the midfielders and wingers have got no body to aim for who is likely to score.
That is just an unbalanced analysis. I know that we aren't exactly prolific, especially recently, but only 7 out of 23 teams have scored more than us this season so far. Balance that with the fact that only 2 teams have conceded less than us, and I reckon we are doing okay overall.

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« Reply #3539 on: October 21, 2024, 07:56:58 PM »
We've scored in 7 out of 10 league games, 3 of those games we scored 1 goal so 10 goals in the other 4 games
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« Reply #3540 on: October 21, 2024, 09:37:50 PM »
Our wage bill has gone down 30% this season, in my opinion he's doing well.

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« Reply #3541 on: October 21, 2024, 11:14:13 PM »
Our wage bill has gone down 30% this season, in my opinion he's doing well.
His player selection and tactics have nothing to do with wages . Kipre the only really significant leaver.
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« Reply #3542 on: October 21, 2024, 11:42:48 PM »
Our wage bill has gone down 30% this season, in my opinion he's doing well.
Another thing that is thrown out there to defend him,along with he’s better than Bruce

We could have saved a lot more than 30 % if we never signed the players he has clearly already decided he doesn’t want to use.
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« Reply #3543 on: October 22, 2024, 12:20:08 AM »
His player selection and tactics have nothing to do with wages . Kipre the only really significant leaver.

Townsend? Yokuslu? Thomas-Asante?

Even Phillips was a starter when fit.
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« Reply #3544 on: October 22, 2024, 12:32:16 AM »
Shows what a bad move it was to let BTA go . We’ve replaced him with who exactly?

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« Reply #3545 on: October 22, 2024, 12:42:45 AM »
Shows what a bad move it was to let BTA go . We’ve replaced him with who exactly?
Cole who scored more goals than BTA whilst playing at the same level
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« Reply #3546 on: October 22, 2024, 12:45:27 AM »
Although in theory Cole may be BTA’s replacement, in practice he isn’t , as CC refuses to play him .

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« Reply #3547 on: October 22, 2024, 12:49:05 AM »
Although in theory Cole may be BTA’s replacement, in practice he isn’t , as CC refuses to play him .
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« Reply #3548 on: October 22, 2024, 12:56:58 AM »
Townsend? Yokuslu? Thomas-Asante?

Even Phillips was a starter when fit.
Heggam playing in Townsend's position and is much better.
Yokuslu past his best could only play 60 minutes
BTA replaced by Cole
Phillips played one game for Oxford
I did say Cedric was the only significant leaver.

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« Reply #3549 on: October 22, 2024, 01:04:50 AM »
Another thing that is thrown out there to defend him,along with he’s better than Bruce

We could have saved a lot more than 30 % if we never signed the players he has clearly already decided he doesn’t want to use.
Didn't 6 of them play at Fleetwood? and if they had been good enough to get a result  they would have got more gametime no doubt that loss was Corberans fault for making to many changes.