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« Reply #4175 on: December 12, 2024, 12:16:30 PM »
I think we rode our luck last night. any other game we could have lost it, but we didn't.

I agree.

That said the team selection was right and I understood the subs so Carlos is performing fine at the moment. His position greatly strengthened over the last couple of games. No longer under pressure for the moment. I commented two games ago that the next three games were massive, well he's performed in the first two of those and the results have been positive. 

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« Reply #4176 on: December 12, 2024, 01:59:03 PM »
Last night's result changes very little in my view. Corberan overall is doing a good job and last night neither enhanced nor detracted from it. Corberan still wants to try to control the game in possession or out of it. so we don't play on transition   That is why we don't counter when the ball is with Palmer as frustrating as that is to watch there is method in the madness.

The tactical/selection dilemmas are still real and are likely to be unresolved any time soon.  I don't think we are punching above our weight but nor are we massively over achieving.
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« Reply #4177 on: December 12, 2024, 02:04:19 PM »
I thought we were lucky to win ,Coventry had some fantastic chances which they should have scored,when we play like we did against Sheffield United and the first 10 mins last night we look dangerous and it’s decent to watch ,but as soon as we scored we sat back n didn’t look threatening at all until grant brilliant goal !he invites pressure on us for no reason when we’re not exactly great at the back
Stats don't support that we are not great at the back.
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« Reply #4178 on: December 12, 2024, 03:38:12 PM »
I get why CC took Maja off for Swift at half time. Maja struggled to affect the game and looked tired. I don’t agree that it gave us more control with an extra midfield player. If anything Coventry controlled the second half and seemed to create more chances than in the first half. Perhaps I’m missing something but for me CC saw a different second half to me.
Swift was definitely more involved and had more ball contact than Maja, but I think the team dropped slightly deeper. We missed a proper target man as Grant plays deeper, though luckily he found that space to score his goal, and after then I thought we looked more in control.   
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« Reply #4179 on: December 12, 2024, 05:19:06 PM »
Grants energy, perseverance and hunger got us the points in the end. I think we are finding our way again and have done reasonably well with difficult fixtures so far. The Watford game , for me , is the game that will identify where we really sit.
 Are we punching above our weight or failing to achieve our real  potential?
 How we set up and play this one will be eye opening. Over to you Carlos mate.

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« Reply #4180 on: December 12, 2024, 08:51:32 PM »
Last night's result changes very little in my view. Corberan overall is doing a good job and last night neither enhanced nor detracted from it. Corberan still wants to try to control the game in possession or out of it. so we don't play on transition   That is why we don't counter when the ball is with Palmer as frustrating as that is to watch there is method in the madness.

The tactical/selection dilemmas are still real and are likely to be unresolved any time soon.  I don't think we are punching above our weight but nor are we massively over achieving.

Correct he needs a run of wins to silence the vast majority of his critics. People forget about being bored if the team is successful
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« Reply #4181 on: December 12, 2024, 09:48:06 PM »
Correct he needs a run of wins to silence the vast majority of his critics. People forget about being bored if the team is successful
So just to be clear, you want us to win every game, playing a brand of football that doesn't bore you? Then you'll be happy?  ;D
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« Reply #4182 on: December 13, 2024, 04:53:48 AM »
Doing just fine with the resources available to him, if swift comes back into form, we will win more games, we need our better players to perform well, the margins are small, CC has suffered from a few players losing form and injuries of late.
We never know when players lose form, some may be carrying injuries.
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« Reply #4183 on: December 13, 2024, 06:50:51 AM »
Correct he needs a run of wins to silence the vast majority of his critics. People forget about being bored if the team is successful
In some ways that’s true. I don’t remember us playing great football under Gary Megson but, as most, remember his time with fondness. We would defend solidly and often score a break away goal winning one-nil and we loved it!

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« Reply #4184 on: December 13, 2024, 11:13:51 AM »
Hope the old CC is back making tactical changes when needed and not waiting until 60/70mins. Not hooking Grady off vs Soton 2nd Lge cost us the PO's I am still very annoyed about that...

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« Reply #4185 on: December 13, 2024, 06:37:48 PM »
Hope the old CC is back making tactical changes when needed and not waiting until 60/70mins. Not hooking Grady off vs Soton 2nd Lge cost us the PO's I am still very annoyed about that...
Whilst I agree that Grady should have been hooked in that game, it didn't cost us the play offs. they were just better than us across the board.

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« Reply #4186 on: December 13, 2024, 06:58:12 PM »
Whilst I agree that Grady should have been hooked in that game, it didn't cost us the play offs. they were just better than us across the board.

100 per cent correct. Grady really was poor but that was not the only difference between the 2 sides.

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« Reply #4187 on: December 13, 2024, 08:49:52 PM »
Hope the old CC is back making tactical changes when needed and not waiting until 60/70mins. Not hooking Grady off vs Soton 2nd Lge cost us the PO's I am still very annoyed about that...

That game and result hurt us all, but do you have to mention it in nearly every post you write?

We know Grady messed up, but we were well beaten and hardly threatened them.

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« Reply #4188 on: December 13, 2024, 10:40:21 PM »
Hope the old CC is back making tactical changes when needed and not waiting until 60/70mins. Not hooking Grady off vs Soton 2nd Lge cost us the PO's I am still very annoyed about that...
You must have been watching a different game over those 2 legs,to say that 1 player cost us is just ridiculous

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« Reply #4189 on: December 14, 2024, 09:05:18 AM »
He seems to have decided (correctly in my view) that we have to have our 4 best attackers on the pitch when possible, so that means setting up more like 442.  That's what a lot of posts on here have been saying too.  We've started scoring more again this way, and if we're conceding more, so be it.

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« Reply #4190 on: December 14, 2024, 11:48:23 AM »
Setting up 442 will cost us in goals against, but as long as we exceed that by goals for in each match that's fine by me.

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« Reply #4191 on: December 14, 2024, 12:17:18 PM »
You must have been watching a different game over those 2 legs,to say that 1 player cost us is just ridiculous
To be fair we weren’t in those games. We contained them at home but were never going to get a result at their ground.

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« Reply #4192 on: December 14, 2024, 12:20:48 PM »
We were lucky at times against Coventry.  They were allowed space to overlap and time to put crosses in that another side would have capitalised on.

Normally 4-4-2 might be effective but the forwards we have at the moment are so incapable / feeble at tackling or defending out of possession, and having no genuine striker , my opinion is that we would ship more goals than we would score.  This is why we need 3 midfielders and this is why CC, who knows his squad, sets up the way he does.

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« Reply #4193 on: December 14, 2024, 01:32:35 PM »
We were lucky at times against Coventry.  They were allowed space to overlap and time to put crosses in that another side would have capitalised on.

Normally 4-4-2 might be effective but the forwards we have at the moment are so incapable / feeble at tackling or defending out of possession, and having no genuine striker , my opinion is that we would ship more goals than we would score.  This is why we need 3 midfielders and this is why CC, who knows his squad, sets up the way he does.

You may have hit the nail on the head here.

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« Reply #4194 on: December 14, 2024, 02:26:30 PM »
Just saying, shows our results  against PNE (drawing with Leeds) and Cov theyre winning today, our results were pdg

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« Reply #4195 on: December 14, 2024, 04:44:23 PM »
Also away draw with Blackburn (won six on the trot) not too shabby, especially given our squad.
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« Reply #4196 on: December 15, 2024, 09:29:37 AM »
It’s almost as if he’s actually doing a good job  :o

Who’d have thought it  ;D

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« Reply #4197 on: December 15, 2024, 09:55:53 AM »
It’s almost as if he’s actually doing a good job  :o

Who’d have thought it  ;D
There is the problem
I don’t believe it’s that simple

You can be doing ok and still make daft errors/have room for improvement
However you look at it,whether you are Carlos in/out/he’s ok ….the amount of draws is too many and the errors get repeated too often.
A draw vs Sheff Utd is good …but 4 goals at home this season up to that point is not .
If youre going to get told off, get told off for doing something not for doing nothing..

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« Reply #4198 on: December 15, 2024, 12:20:49 PM »
I think this is the dilemma that Carlos finds himself precisely in.
Set up as normal and we are usually guaranteed not to lose.
 Change up and go for the  win and we could lose all 3 points.
Our defence has proven  good enough for the former, our offense is proven
 not good enough for the latter.
So he will probably set up to get a draw against top half/ in form clubs and set up for a win against bottom half/out of form clubs.
To be honest this would seem sensible..but sensible does not tend to please fans or get promotion.
Sensible gets you stability, and in our current situation is most likely the preferred option for our owners.

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« Reply #4199 on: December 15, 2024, 12:32:12 PM »
I think this is the dilemma that Carlos finds himself precisely in.
Set up as normal and we are usually guaranteed not to lose.
 Change up and go for the  win and we could lose all 3 points.
Our defence has proven  good enough for the former, our offense is proven
 not good enough for the latter.
So he will probably set up to get a draw against top half/ in form clubs and set up for a win against bottom half/out of form clubs.
To be honest this would seem sensible..but sensible does not tend to please fans or get promotion.
Sensible gets you stability, and in our current situation is most likely the preferred option for our owners.

Whilst I agree in part I would still like us to go for the win in every game. Take the last 10 draws. If we win 4 and lose 6 then we would have still yielded more points.