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Re: Carlos Corberan
« Reply #3400 on: October 02, 2024, 12:30:39 PM »
Hate to say this but I thought it said MarkW hahaha! I’ve no idea if you know tactics haha but please do give me your opinion anyway :P

Good to know I'm held in such high esteem  ;D

After being there for the Swansea game I've only caught highlights of the rest of our games, so can't really comment. What I would say is that across both of these games it seems like the central midfield area has been a big problem. I wasn't a huge fan of Racic when he was making sub cameo's and I haven't seen much to change my view.

Our two main ways of scoring this season have been to get Fellows 1v1 with his full back and get a cross/cut-back in, and then the other is a variety of set pieces goals either in the first or (usually) the second phase of play. We like to bait the opposition press then have Maja drop deeper and lay it off for a third man run (usually a midfielder), with our wingers running in behind.

Beyond that I haven't really seen enough to make any judgements as to what has been different, other than perhaps we were fortunate to win a couple of the earlier games and perhaps a little less fortunate in the last two.
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« Reply #3401 on: October 02, 2024, 12:35:21 PM »
This for me is typical Albion, get going , put in a good run and raise hopes of a glorious season then get knocked back down to earth with dour, unsettling performances. Been here so many times, its deja vu all over again. Come on Carlos, get a grip mate.

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« Reply #3402 on: October 02, 2024, 12:40:22 PM »
This for me is typical Albion, get going , put in a good run and raise hopes of a glorious season then get knocked back down to earth with dour, unsettling performances. Been here so many times, its deja vu all over again. Come on Carlos, get a grip mate.
that just sounds like football, mate.

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« Reply #3403 on: October 02, 2024, 02:29:40 PM »
i am a huge fan of Corberan but i do feel like he is the reason we have picked up 0 points the last two games.

his team selection and then ability to react to how the game is going via changes has been very poor.

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« Reply #3404 on: October 02, 2024, 02:50:41 PM »
i am a huge fan of Corberan but i do feel like he is the reason we have picked up 0 points the last two games.

his team selection and then ability to react to how the game is going via changes has been very poor.

Certainly in the Sheff Wednesday game injuries impacted on what team he could pick, both Mowatt and Molumby weren't fit enough to start. Racic and Diakite were the most up to speed options, not sure who else he could have picked really.

Last night the inclusion of Wallace was odd but maybe Corberan wanted to see if he could offer something different to Fellows (who was anonymous against Wednesday)?

At 0-0 last night he made the subs that most people were calling out for: Fellows, followed 9 mins later by Molumby and Johnston. Those changes were attacking and also gave us missing energy in the midfield.
Later on Styles and Dobbin came on with 12 mins left (or 17 if you add on added time) to try and give us something extra. It didn't work.
Again I'm not sure what other substitutions he could have made?
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« Reply #3405 on: October 02, 2024, 02:59:31 PM »
Certainly in the Sheff Wednesday game injuries impacted on what team he could pick, both Mowatt and Molumby weren't fit enough to start. Racic and Diakite were the most up to speed options, not sure who else he could have picked really.

Last night the inclusion of Wallace was odd but maybe Corberan wanted to see if he could offer something different to Fellows (who was anonymous against Wednesday)?

At 0-0 last night he made the subs that most people were calling out for: Fellows, followed 9 mins later by Molumby and Johnston. Those changes were attacking and also gave us missing energy in the midfield.
Later on Styles and Dobbin came on with 12 mins left (or 17 if you add on added time) to try and give us something extra. It didn't work.
Again I'm not sure what other substitutions he could have made?


IMO it was way too much of a risk to play two "newbies" away from home in the middle of the park. Could either Mowatt or Molumby have played an hour? Mowatt played 45 anyway so IMO should have started him with the plan to take him off at 45 or 60 depending on how the game was going.

his subs last night admittedly were earlier than his usual timings but most people could tell after 20 minutes that wallace is way past his best now and swift was non-existent. it was crying out for a double change at half time. he tends to make a sub sometimes then 10 minutes later another one, and then 10-15 minutes later another one. it disrupts the flow. how wallace started last night i will never know. fellows may have had 1 quiet game but hes the most creative player we have.

dont want to be too critical on CC as im a huge fan, but last 2 games has been poor.

hopefully he makes the right changes from the start saturday and wallace and swift are no where near the first 11.

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« Reply #3406 on: October 02, 2024, 04:12:26 PM »
MJ has to start . The left hand side (ie Grant) has so far created only 1 goal this season for a teammate .

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« Reply #3407 on: October 02, 2024, 04:28:26 PM »
MJ has to start . The left hand side (ie Grant) has so far created only 1 goal this season for a teammate .

A player can't control if his teammate doesn't finish a chance. I can remember Grant creating two great chances for Maja Vs Swansea, neither of which he finished. Likewise yesterday with Grant's pass to Wallace.
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« Reply #3408 on: October 02, 2024, 05:32:26 PM »
Certainly in the Sheff Wednesday game injuries impacted on what team he could pick, both Mowatt and Molumby weren't fit enough to start. Racic and Diakite were the most up to speed options, not sure who else he could have picked really.

Last night the inclusion of Wallace was odd but maybe Corberan wanted to see if he could offer something different to Fellows (who was anonymous against Wednesday)?

At 0-0 last night he made the subs that most people were calling out for: Fellows, followed 9 mins later by Molumby and Johnston. Those changes were attacking and also gave us missing energy in the midfield.
Later on Styles and Dobbin came on with 12 mins left (or 17 if you add on added time) to try and give us something extra. It didn't work.
Again I'm not sure what other substitutions he could have made?
I like Carlos he has got the best out of what we have previously
We now have a younger squad slightly but we are missing kipre and yokuslu who you could argue would walk into most championship teams
We don’t know about players fitness so I’m hoping it was not much choice given the last 2 starting line ups
What I would question and again only slightly is there is never a real change in formation or whatever style of play we are playing
We still lack legs in midfield and we miss the ability to play from kipre into midfield
We miss yokuslu sitting there doing the dirty work in front of our back four
With an international break after this weekend and only Grady maybe missing be interesting to see who he names now the unbeaten run loyalty is well and truly gone

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« Reply #3409 on: October 02, 2024, 05:33:24 PM »
A player can't control if his teammate doesn't finish a chance. I can remember Grant creating two great chances for Maja Vs Swansea, neither of which he finished. Likewise yesterday with Grant's pass to Wallace.

Hard to believe some people on here still let facts get in the way of a good wibble. More effort required on the wibble front Mark. And kindly leave facts out of the equation, there's a good chap  8) .
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« Reply #3410 on: October 02, 2024, 06:33:16 PM »
MJ has to start . The left hand side (ie Grant) has so far created only 1 goal this season for a teammate .
As somebody has said Johnston gave the worst substitute performance since Giles Barnes effort against West Ham ! If he’s reproducing that in training it’s no wonder he’s not getting the starting berth !
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« Reply #3411 on: October 03, 2024, 08:41:11 AM »
pretty much his players now, my concern is the football of late is similar to that of the tail end of last season, tippy tappy southgate type football
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« Reply #3412 on: October 03, 2024, 11:30:15 AM »
Some of the play has been outstanding and some dire, its the inconsistency that is a little concerning. But early days yet.

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« Reply #3413 on: October 03, 2024, 11:51:42 AM »
Some of the play has been outstanding and some dire, its the inconsistency that is a little concerning. But early days yet.

It concerns me more that Maja & Mowatt aside no one else seems capable of converting the chances we get. On Tuesday night we had a number of presentable chances but couldn't hit the target or if we did it was with weak, straight at the keeper finishes.

We are going to play badly from time to time but the sign of a strong side is that they can still win or not lose when they do.
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« Reply #3414 on: October 03, 2024, 01:06:08 PM »
It concerns me more that Maja & Mowatt aside no one else seems capable of converting the chances we get. On Tuesday night we had a number of presentable chances but couldn't hit the target or if we did it was with weak, straight at the keeper finishes.

We are going to play badly from time to time but the sign of a strong side is that they can still win or not lose when they do.

I remain hopeful of Bartley connecting to a set piece delivery with the most potent corner of his head. Failing that something's bound to bounce in off one of Ajayi's knees from a set piece at some point. Keep the faith and COYB  8) .
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« Reply #3415 on: October 03, 2024, 03:51:35 PM »
pretty much his players now, my concern is the football of late is similar to that of the tail end of last season, tippy tappy southgate type football

If "tippy-tappy" football is keeping hold of the ball and progressing by degrees - only making a long forward pass when someone is in space or, better still running into space* then I prefer it too lumping the ball up field hoping that one of our lads latches on to a defender error but most likely giving away possession.

* I'm not sure we've reached the stage of passing into a space that someone is running into quite yet although there are hints that we're on the way, personnel permitting. 
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« Reply #3416 on: October 03, 2024, 04:42:22 PM »
If "tippy-tappy" football is keeping hold of the ball and progressing by degrees - only making a long forward pass when someone is in space or, better still running into space* then I prefer it too lumping the ball up field hoping that one of our lads latches on to a defender error but most likely giving away possession.

* I'm not sure we've reached the stage of passing into a space that someone is running into quite yet although there are hints that we're on the way, personnel permitting.
its kind of odd but an old phenomenon, people hated it but when certain posters have to explain what they want to see more often than not they effectively describe Valball.

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« Reply #3417 on: October 04, 2024, 08:00:57 AM »
pretty much his players now, my concern is the football of late is similar to that of the tail end of last season, tippy tappy southgate type football

Of the players that have had minutes this season:
Palmer, Bartley, Furlong, Ajayi, Mowatt, Swift, Molumby, Diangana, Wallace and Fellows were all here before Corberan joined.

Only Heggem, Styles, Racic, Johnston, Maja, Dobbin and Diakite are ones he's brought in (and Maja and Heggem are the only regular starters)
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« Reply #3418 on: October 05, 2024, 05:14:08 PM »
Just checked in and not really surprised by the result today. I rarely attend or see our games in full other than brief highlights so would like to pose a question to those who watch. We have scored just 2 goals at home in 5 games. To me that is suggesting the way cc sets us up and approaches the game at home is simply not working. Reading comments we seem slow and predictable passing out from defence allowing the opposition time to regroup and defend in order to counter any threat from us. Would that be a fair assessment?

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« Reply #3419 on: October 05, 2024, 06:02:20 PM »
Just checked in and not really surprised by the result today. I rarely attend or see our games in full other than brief highlights so would like to pose a question to those who watch. We have scored just 2 goals at home in 5 games. To me that is suggesting the way cc sets us up and approaches the game at home is simply not working. Reading comments we seem slow and predictable passing out from defence allowing the opposition time to regroup and defend in order to counter any threat from us. Would that be a fair assessment?

We passed through the lines much better in the first few games and were a bit more entertaining and we’ve slowed a bit in the last few games - even away at Sheffield Weds. but the Plymouth game at home was far more open and end to end.
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« Reply #3420 on: October 05, 2024, 06:08:20 PM »
He's gone back into caution mode in my eyes

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« Reply #3421 on: October 05, 2024, 07:08:31 PM »
Yes it’s all a bit toothless. Two goals in five home games is poor by any standard. Like under Megson 1-0 wins are ok but it’s all a bit boring when you lose narrowly or draw 0-0. Football is supposed to be entertaining and it’s all a bit dull.

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« Reply #3422 on: October 05, 2024, 07:38:47 PM »
I don’t think Corberan’s brand of football will ever be edge of your seat stuff but he will get more good results than bad especially in the championship. Problem is you don’t get much patience from a lot of fans, like with Pulis good results (not performances) just keep the grumbling to a minimum.

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« Reply #3423 on: October 05, 2024, 08:46:02 PM »
Ditched Grant , who in my opinion was second only to Mowatt on Tuesday . Could'nt find a slot amongst the subs for Callum Styles, but found one for the again ineffective Racic ( is this bloke Chalobah in disguise ? ).
To top it all Jed Wallace with 2 minutes left.
If I was Mason Holgate I would be on my way back to Everton . 9 games and not one minute for this guy who was desperate to come back here and has actually played 127 games for Everton in the Prem.

Wake up Carlos you keep shuffling the pack in order to collect the ball from Semi and Bartley because  they are poor passers of the ball , when you have Holgate and Heggem both excellent passers who could speed our game up considerably. At times today Mowatt was playing behind them
Semi and Bartley have by and large defended well but our overall game has suffered greatly because of pedestrian playing out from the back.




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« Reply #3424 on: October 05, 2024, 09:24:25 PM »
Ditched Grant , who in my opinion was second only to Mowatt on Tuesday . Could'nt find a slot amongst the subs for Callum Styles, but found one for the again ineffective Racic ( is this bloke Chalobah in disguise ? ).
To top it all Jed Wallace with 2 minutes left.
If I was Mason Holgate I would be on my way back to Everton . 9 games and not one minute for this guy who was desperate to come back here and has actually played 127 games for Everton in the Prem.

Wake up Carlos you keep shuffling the pack in order to collect the ball from Semi and Bartley because  they are poor passers of the ball , when you have Holgate and Heggem both excellent passers who could speed our game up considerably. At times today Mowatt was playing behind them
Semi and Bartley have by and large defended well but our overall game has suffered greatly because of pedestrian playing out from the back.
Mowatt having to collect the ball 2 yards from Bartley is utter madness, it leaves us short in midfield but if Bartley and Ajayi ain't capable of 15 yard passes to our own midfielders then
play players who can, neither McNair or Holgate have been given a chance.