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Re: John Swift
« Reply #300 on: August 12, 2024, 09:54:31 AM »
The thing is though he was only out with that injury for 5 games over October and November. After the injury he was poor or unproductive.
Between August and October (before injury) he contributed 6 goals and 1 assist. From end of November to May (after injury) he contributed 3 goals.

He has the ability to be a game changer he just needs to be more consistent with it.

Difficult to know what level of fitness he came back with I guess. Every player is playing with a niggle of some description of course, but he was a shadow of the player he was at the start of the season when he came back. Did we rush him back and hamper him for the remainder of the season? We’ll never get the answers but you are right, he was nowhere near the same level when he came back.

Fingers crossed there are no injury concerns for him this season and he can deliver on the ability he clearly has for us because, if he does, and if Maja answers the goal scoring issues, we could be in for a hell of a season

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« Reply #301 on: August 12, 2024, 10:02:24 AM »
He has to show his ability consistently this season, with him being in the last 12 months of his contract to earn either a new deal or a contract elsewhere he is in the shop window.  Us or teams of our level won't give him anywhere near his terms at present if he disappears in games like he did after the injury last season.  The Swift before the injury would have teams looking to sign him.

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Re: John Swift
« Reply #302 on: August 12, 2024, 01:25:21 PM »
Is better when Grady isn't on alongside him?
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Re: John Swift
« Reply #303 on: August 12, 2024, 01:27:50 PM »
Is better when Grady isn't on alongside him?

Both talented players on the ball, both not up to much off it.

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« Reply #304 on: August 12, 2024, 01:47:21 PM »
Both talented players on the ball, both not up to much off it.

I disagree mate Grady always tracks back, especially so when he's lost the ball.

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« Reply #305 on: August 12, 2024, 01:52:57 PM »
I disagree mate Grady always tracks back, especially so when he's lost the ball.

He's that lightweight though he's not able to win it back much, i know that's what he's not primarily here for but i'd still like a bit more, but he is tiny at same time so maybe im being harsh.

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Re: John Swift
« Reply #306 on: August 12, 2024, 01:55:25 PM »
I disagree mate Grady always tracks back, especially so when he's lost the ball.

Which is way, way too often.

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Re: John Swift
« Reply #307 on: August 12, 2024, 05:56:51 PM »
I disagree mate Grady always tracks back, especially so when he's lost the ball.
Not against Southampton he didn’t
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« Reply #308 on: August 12, 2024, 05:58:10 PM »
Agreed. Speaking as someone whose sciatica's playing up for the first time in twenty years and has a degenerative knee condition I found myself limping to the fridge and back for cold beers yesterday afternoon. Hoping for a bit of respite over the next few days and a return form by the weekend as I reckon tomorrow night could be pushing it a bit  ;D .
No one ever wants to consider a wheel chair,but maybe now??

Pop the fridge on it and get a long piece of rope 😀
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« Reply #309 on: August 12, 2024, 06:25:52 PM »
No one ever wants to consider a wheel chair,but maybe now??

Pop the fridge on it and get a long piece of rope 😀

Always open to creative solutions Zippy  8) .

As such I'm thinking of sitting closer to the fridge tomorrow and much closer to the bar than normal on Saturday. Liam can bog off though, he's still not getting a drink  ;D .
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« Reply #310 on: August 12, 2024, 07:22:20 PM »
Both have merits and both have their flaws. Both for the right money I wouldn't mind seeing go. However I'm conscious the window is closing in a few weeks. Hard work undoing 7 or 8 years worth of bad financial decisions in one year...

Thus far I think our dealings in the window on outgoings have been very good. (Minus kipre) incomings it's good to see the net being cast further than previously
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Re: John Swift
« Reply #311 on: August 12, 2024, 08:44:54 PM »
Always open to creative solutions Zippy  8) .

As such I'm thinking of sitting closer to the fridge tomorrow and much closer to the bar than normal on Saturday. Liam can bog off though, he's still not getting a drink  ;D .
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Re: John Swift
« Reply #312 on: August 12, 2024, 09:27:03 PM »
Not against Southampton he didn’t

Ok, I bow down to your superior football knowledge, even though it was an error and nothing to do with tracking back.

The fact that GD was played Infront of Swift in Swift's position by CC says it all, but as stated you're always right.
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« Reply #313 on: August 12, 2024, 09:54:50 PM »
Ok, I bow down to your superior football knowledge, even though it was an error and nothing to do with tracking back.

The fact that GD was played Infront of Swift in Swift's position by CC says it all, but as stated you're always right.
Anger seems to be your default,maybe have a cuppa ?
Just because a managers picks a certain player does not mean they are either better or beyond critic
Some love Grady (I don’t) some see what I see which is a player that cost far too much (not his fault) that is lightweight,is inconsistent and doesn’t track back …
But it’s all about opinions
But for reference Grady didn’t play Saturday,Swift did and had a pivotal involvement in one of our best recent times performances….IMO.
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« Reply #314 on: August 12, 2024, 10:04:04 PM »
Anger seems to be your default,maybe have a cuppa ?
Just because a managers picks a certain player does not mean they are either better or beyond critic
Some love Grady (I don’t) some see what I see which is a player that cost far too much (not his fault) that is lightweight,is inconsistent and doesn’t track back …
But it’s all about opinions
But for reference Grady didn’t play Saturday,Swift did and had a pivotal involvement in one of our best recent times performances….IMO.

It's always your go to answer to accuse those who question your "logic" of being angry, even though after a very unexpected win they are the furthest from anger they can be, as all looks good so far, even though very, very early days.

Out of curiosity though, can you list the assists and chances Swift created on Saturday?

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« Reply #315 on: August 12, 2024, 10:27:40 PM »
It's always your go to answer to accuse those who question your "logic" of being angry, even though after a very unexpected win they are the furthest from anger they can be, as all looks good so far, even though very, very early days.

Out of curiosity though, can you list the assists and chances Swift created on Saturday?
Swift had an important role in making the play flow from the back to the front, irrespective if it was he who delivered the final assists. The way Carlos wants to play, ie not route 1 kick and rush, we need at least one player who can switch the ball around and find the pockets of space going forward.
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Re: John Swift
« Reply #316 on: August 12, 2024, 10:37:39 PM »
Agreed. Speaking as someone whose sciatica's playing up for the first time in twenty years and has a degenerative knee condition I found myself limping to the fridge and back for cold beers yesterday afternoon. Hoping for a bit of respite over the next few days and a return form by the weekend as I reckon tomorrow night could be pushing it a bit  ;D .
Good luck for a Speedy recovery from sciatica Dan, difficult putting a time frame on that, keep the fridge well stocked with that liquid medicine.  you trained the Mrs to fetch beer yet?
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« Reply #317 on: August 12, 2024, 10:46:26 PM »
Swift had an important role in making the play flow from the back to the front, irrespective if it was he who delivered the final assists. The way Carlos wants to play, ie not route 1 kick and rush, we need at least one player who can switch the ball around and find the pockets of space going forward.

Wouldn't kick and rush negate the need for Swift entirely?

Give me example of him doing the job that he is part d for?

We didn't win on Saturday because of anything Swift did, we won inspire of him.

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Re: John Swift
« Reply #318 on: August 12, 2024, 11:04:22 PM »
Wouldn't kick and rush negate the need for Swift entirely?

Give me example of him doing the job that he is part d for?

We didn't win on Saturday because of anything Swift did, we won inspire of him.
Spot on. Kick and rush would make Swift more or less redundant. I know there are some who favour kick and rush, Route 1. Tony Pulis was one.
 
We played some good football on saturday, I think I read we had something like 60% possesion. Swift is very much part of that. You need players who can pick out good forward passes, and Swift is one of the best in the division at that.   
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Re: John Swift
« Reply #319 on: August 12, 2024, 11:41:54 PM »
Spot on. Kick and rush would make Swift more or less redundant. I know there are some who favour kick and rush, Route 1. Tony Pulis was one.
 
We played some good football on saturday, I think I read we had something like 60% possesion. Swift is very much part of that. You need players who can pick out good forward passes, and Swift is one of the best in the division at that.   


Thanks for the Pulis style of play update, I thought he was football purist like Michels.

But whether style of play a team plays it says it all when a winger plays in the creative mf role when the said creative mf isn't good enough to be relied upon to perform consistently.



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Re: John Swift
« Reply #320 on: August 12, 2024, 11:54:54 PM »

Thanks for the Pulis style of play update, I thought he was football purist like Michels.

But whether style of play a team plays it says it all when a winger plays in the creative mf role when the said creative mf isn't good enough to be relied upon to perform consistently.
From the sounds of it, you're not a fan of kick and rush either, which is good to know.

We'll have to agree to differ on Swift though. I'm not sure who your ideal creative midfielder would be though.  Can't think of too many better candidates in recent years.
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« Reply #321 on: August 13, 2024, 12:42:58 AM »
From the sounds of it, you're not a fan of kick and rush either, which is good to know.

We'll have to agree to differ on Swift though. I'm not sure who your ideal creative midfielder would be though.  Can't think of too many better candidates in recent years.

Anyone who is doing more than Swift at a fraction of his fat Gourlay/Bruce contract.

I won't list the pound for pound better amf we've had but there are many from Dorrans to Tex. Getting a player who gets his best stats in the last season of his contract is always a concern for me.

Having said that I hope he gets his best ever stats in his last year with us.

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« Reply #322 on: August 13, 2024, 08:56:53 AM »
Setting aside the utility or not of John Swift, did anyone else note that last Saturday's formation was fluid with Mowatt and Swift at the base of midfield when we started to build and Molumby more advanced?  This seemed to work as AM and JS can both pick a pass.   

On losing the ball Molumby got back quickly.

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Re: John Swift
« Reply #323 on: August 13, 2024, 03:39:03 PM »
From the sounds of it, you're not a fan of kick and rush either, which is good to know.

We'll have to agree to differ on Swift though. I'm not sure who your ideal creative midfielder would be though.  Can't think of too many better candidates in recent years.

Periera light years ahead, Krovinovic better, Gera much better. Swift is Ok but not Prem quality in my view.
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« Reply #324 on: August 13, 2024, 03:51:49 PM »
Periera light years ahead, Krovinovic better, Gera much better. Swift is Ok but not Prem quality in my view.
Periera obviously so, but I was talking about since then. Going back earlier, Gera was incredibly dynamic, Jason Koumas had a fantastic pass, even though he had his (similar?) critics at the time.   
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