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Re: If you were appointed head coach tomorrow what would you do?
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2022, 11:11:53 AM »
I concur that players like Pereira don't grow on trees but you'd have thought we had the capacity to find a suitable central attacking midfielder to fill the void. Without having someone who can play in a more advanced position who can pick a pass or God forbid score is killing us.

But from what I have seen a Pereira or similar creative player would never have suited Val's system.

He'd have been shunted out into a wide role - similar to how he was under Allardyce - which then nullifies him.

There is also very little movement within this side - we're very rigid in our attacking play - when MP was at his best he required movement off the ball to create that space for him.

Our central midfielders in this system are just aggressive ball winners. Val made it clear on arrival that it required intensity and for us to be playing in their third as quickly as possible. That doesn't lend itself to quality in my view. We've had to adapt because we've been found out.

Having a creative midfielder requires us to change the system - and I just don't see that happening.
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Re: If you were appointed head coach tomorrow what would you do?
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2022, 11:18:17 AM »
But from what I have seen a Pereira or similar creative player would never have suited Val's system.

He'd have been shunted out into a wide role - similar to how he was under Allardyce - which then nullifies him.

There is also very little movement within this side - we're very rigid in our attacking play - when MP was at his best he required movement off the ball to create that space for him.

Our central midfielders in this system are just aggressive ball winners. Val made it clear on arrival that it required intensity and for us to be playing in their third as quickly as possible. That doesn't lend itself to quality in my view. We've had to adapt because we've been found out.

Having a creative midfielder requires us to change the system - and I just don't see that happening.
Absolutely.
Val made it pretty clear Pereira wasn't in his plans and we have never been linked with a creative midfielder. He bought in Mowatt and Mulumby and made it clear that Livermore plays if fit. This tells you everything you need to know about his approach to the midfield 2.
Pereira would have indeed been shunted wide and, whilst would have undoubtedly, been better than what we have, would have been completely misused and ineffective given the service.

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Re: If you were appointed head coach tomorrow what would you do?
« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2022, 11:37:37 AM »
Absolutely.
Val made it pretty clear Pereira wasn't in his plans and we have never been linked with a creative midfielder. He bought in Mowatt and Mulumby and made it clear that Livermore plays if fit. This tells you everything you need to know about his approach to the midfield 2.
Pereira would have indeed been shunted wide and, whilst would have undoubtedly, been better than what we have, would have been completely misused and ineffective given the service.

The Pereira situation was clearly six of one. I think he made it pretty clear he wanted his big move. Can't blame Ismael for not wanting unhappy players here.

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Re: If you were appointed head coach tomorrow what would you do?
« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2022, 11:45:54 AM »
Pereira didnt want to be here. VI has a new manager had to react to that and probably put a marker down.  He may have also been told that Pereira had to go.

It is probably fair to say that he doesn't want one of the center mid players to be the main creator, but I'm sure he wants creative players. The fact we didnt bring one in may just mean he had other priorities and higher hopes for the players we had. Had Pereira been happy to stay, I'm sure he would have found a place for him, probably wide right of the front three.


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Re: If you were appointed head coach tomorrow what would you do?
« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2022, 12:18:13 PM »
Personally I would take a good long look at  a 4-2-3-1 formation.  we played something similar under Big Sam so a good number of the players are use to it and the way our centre mid players sit at present it wouldn't effect their game much.

more importantly i think it would give stability out wide with proper full backs and give a little more creativity up front where we could use someone like Robinson, Grady, or even Philips just behind Dike in the old MP role (No 10).

We need to try something because at present this system doesn't work and we lack a creative spark in the middle

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« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2022, 12:28:06 PM »
The Pereira situation was clearly six of one. I think he made it pretty clear he wanted his big move. Can't blame Ismael for not wanting unhappy players here.
I'm not blaming him for Pereira leaving, it was inevitable, I'm highlighting the point that he never attempted to replace him, despite bringing in 3 midfielders in in Mowatt, Mulumby and Reach and assuring Livermore a start.
The board have subsequently proved, with Dike, that should he make a strong enough case, they will act and spend.
All suggests he doesn't see lack of creativity as an issue.

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« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2022, 04:42:06 AM »
I'd play a 352.
No issues with three at the back - for the most part it has worked for us this year, and against a lot of teams it allows us to push wingbacks up high as genuine midfielders.

I like 3 in the centre of the park - with one deployed as a playmaker behind two central strikers. As the rules here are we use what we have, rather than being able to re-sign Pereira, I'd try giving Grady a run in that role as (probably) our most naturally talented player to see if we could get the best out of him. Failing that I'd flip to a plan B which would involve Jake coming into the team and Mowatt moving up.

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                               Dara           Bartley      Clarke
         Furlong              TGH                      Mowatt           Townsend
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« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2022, 06:33:58 AM »
We need to concentrate on our play in the final third. The quality of crossing is fairly abysmal, its unimaginative, as if the players only know one way.

I watch a fair amount of Ajax, a team which rely even more heavily on wing play and overlapping backs than we do. A lot of their goals are scored from wing play. They tend to get the ball down to the by-line, but instead of just slamming it across the goalmouth, like 95% of our crosses, they often work the ball in from the wings in stages and then cut it back to a player 10 yards out or around the penalty spot. Or they use a right footed player on the left wing or a right footed player on the left wing to curl crosses in goalwards, which incoming runners try to get on the end of.  In short, they have a lot more variety.

An extra problem for us is that it needs players in the middle, including onrushing midfielders, on the same wavelength. That's where midfielders like Mulumby or Livermore are completly the wrong type of player. We could probably be waiting the next 5 seasons without seeing them make runs forward into the box.

The fact is we need far better link up between those delivering crosses, and those meeting them. Of course we should be coaching them to make them better, but it may be that certain players are just too limited.
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« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2022, 08:20:18 AM »
We need to concentrate on our play in the final third. The quality of crossing is fairly abysmal, its unimaginative, as if the players only know one way.

I watch a fair amount of Ajax, a team which rely even more heavily on wing play and overlapping backs than we do. A lot of their goals are scored from wing play. They tend to get the ball down to the by-line, but instead of just slamming it across the goalmouth, like 95% of our crosses, they often work the ball in from the wings in stages and then cut it back to a player 10 yards out or around the penalty spot. Or they use a right footed player on the left wing or a right footed player on the left wing to curl crosses in goalwards, which incoming runners try to get on the end of.  In short, they have a lot more variety.

An extra problem for us is that it needs players in the middle, including onrushing midfielders, on the same wavelength. That's where midfielders like Mulumby or Livermore are completly the wrong type of player. We could probably be waiting the next 5 seasons without seeing them make runs forward into the box.

The fact is we need far better link up between those delivering crosses, and those meeting them. Of course we should be coaching them to make them better, but it may be that certain players are just too limited.

I believe that's the problem, but we should be able to do enough to win games at this level.
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Re: If you were appointed head coach tomorrow what would you do?
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2022, 02:28:22 PM »
Drop Johnstone, Livermore and hugill
Play 352 still pressing but not so strict
The players don’t look like there enjoying it
Concentrate on passing and encourage a bit of flair
 

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« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2022, 03:39:29 PM »
Drop Johnstone, Livermore and hugill
Play 352 still pressing but not so strict
The players don’t look like there enjoying it
Concentrate on passing and encourage a bit of flair

I was with you right up to the name Johnstone. Why on earth would you want to drop him?
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2022, 06:46:27 PM »
I was with you right up to the name Johnstone. Why on earth would you want to drop him?

Quite right. The 2 games Button has played, and this is not meant as an attack on him, have only reinforced to me that Sam is a much better keeper.

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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2022, 06:53:22 PM »
Quite right. The 2 games Button has played, and this is not meant as an attack on him, have only reinforced to me that Sam is a much better keeper.

I don’t think Button has done much wrong to be honest. His kicking is far superior to Johnstone’s.

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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2022, 07:02:42 PM »
I was with you right up to the name Johnstone. Why on earth would you want to drop him?

Because he ain't going to be here long anyway, We have to say thanks and goodbye Sam, and need to learn to do without him. What we have will have to do, because any money for SJ is far more important for the team than any improvement - real or imagined he provides between the sticks. 

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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2022, 08:11:38 PM »
Because he ain't going to be here long anyway, We have to say thanks and goodbye Sam, and need to learn to do without him. What we have will have to do, because any money for SJ is far more important for the team than any improvement - real or imagined he provides between the sticks.

But he is still with us and is the best we have. Not sure we should be benching someone because they may or may not be with us. He may be gone in the future but I thought the question was about the here and now.

Haven’t seen enough of Button yet. Made a couple of decent saves but I also remember seeing him on the half way line in open play, and one kick that made Sam’s distribution Hoddle like.
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« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2022, 08:44:41 PM »
Nothin like Hoddle mate. He didn't stand still for30 seconds after he kicked the ball thinking ' aren't I great'  :D

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« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2022, 11:22:15 PM »
I don’t think Button has done much wrong to be honest. His kicking is far superior to Johnstone’s.

All about opinions. A fraction slower when coming out to sweep is one observation I have made. He’s not done badly, don’t get me wrong.

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« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2022, 09:22:23 AM »
I know one thing I wouldn't do if I were appointed manager of West Bromwich Albion tomorrow. Read Albion supporter forums. Very time consuming. They detract from my focus leading to falls in productivity.

I'd make it club policy that the players should go nowhere near them either. Some of the poor mites would never sleep again and they'd need their rest to maintain their levels of intensity during games.

One thing I would do is get Fat Kev (48) in on a long term contract with a view to gobbling up some more of the wage bill just to vex everyone. Because I could. So there.
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« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2022, 10:49:40 AM »
Reading this I think there will be an awful lot of applicants for the next West Bromwich Albion manager.   :o :D
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« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2022, 10:53:58 AM »
Reading this I think there will be an awful lot of applicants for the next West Bromwich Albion manager.   :o :D

Maybe but I'm the one who should be nailed on to get it.  8)  ;D

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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2022, 11:46:21 AM »
Maybe but I'm the one who should be nailed on to get it.  8)  ;D


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« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2022, 04:41:36 PM »
I know one thing I wouldn't do if I were appointed manager of West Bromwich Albion tomorrow. Read Albion supporter forums. Very time consuming. They detract from my focus leading to falls in productivity.

I'd make it club policy that the players should go nowhere near them either. Some of the poor mites would never sleep again and they'd need their rest to maintain their levels of intensity during games.

One thing I would do is get Fat Kev (48) in on a long term contract with a view to gobbling up some more of the wage bill just to vex everyone. Because I could. So there.

i'm getting ever so slightly concerned that we are heaping a lot of pressure on Fat Kev before he even gets here, it would be just his luck to tweak his hammy in his first home game.
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« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2022, 05:34:20 PM »
i'm getting ever so slightly concerned that we are heaping a lot of pressure on Fat Kev before he even gets here, it would be just his luck to tweak his hammy in his first home game.

Real man's man is Fat Kev (48). He'd take the pressure in his stride, rub his hammy better with some beef dripping before belly battering his way to the top of the scoring charts with a deep fried scallop in each hand.

The scallops have been passed as ok for in game refuelling by the Sports Science Department as they're in keeping with his body's naturally diabolical metabolic rate..... just in case he gets peckish between the all you can eat buffets and Sportsman sponsored chicken tikkas.

There's no need to fear for Fat Kev (48) will be here. Or maybe not as Chairman Lai's millions won't be available to restock the club pantry until after the treble sliding French windows will have slid shut delaying Fat Kev (48's) signing for another decade when he will be Fat Kev (58).

DISCLAIMER: I am not ITK and no insult meant to any posters named Kev who may be calorifically challenged,  (48) or (58). Or indeed Fat Kev (48) the living leg end himself.
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« Reply #73 on: January 23, 2022, 07:20:12 PM »
BREAKING NEWS:

Fat Kev (48)'s proposed move to West Brom is in doubt after a knee issue showed up during a routine medical exam. Our expert, Baz Delaney, physio to the stars and ex lifeguard at Tipton Baths, said in his professional opinion "It doe look good mush, his gout's spread"
A club insider said that the deal could still be savaged if it was only the one knee, as this would still see him ahead of Ken and Huggy, but, if it's both, the deal would be difficult to get over the line.

We approached Fat Kev (48) for a statement but he said that, since he hadn't even seen his knees since he was 16, he couldn't really comment.

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« Reply #74 on: January 23, 2022, 07:46:09 PM »
Played against Fat Kev (48) once, he is an absolute animal.

You can't body check his 20 stone frame, so I took him out at the ankle.

"Do that again son & I'll break your f""king leg" was his reply.

I just laughed. he'd have to catch me first.

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