[BalisPen]

So other than slagging off those who, apparently, are chomping at the bit to have a go at Reach, no one can actually name one good thing he did yesterday other than covering his FB.

It accepting this kind of very expensive mediocrity that has got us the verge of administration.

CC is a conservative coach who always seems to prefer the "proven" player than a youth player if he has one at his disposal.

That is completely understandable, but, retaining that player for another year or 2 based on "he's here already, it would be shame to let him go" like our previous contract extensions is why we've got such a high wage bill that is destroying us now.

It shouldn't be CC decision in the summer what happens to AR, it has to sensible decision backed up by a proper thought process as to his replacement.

It's too soon for any new buyer, if they go through with the purchase, to have the correct people in place to have alternative squad fillers to replace AR and NC, but we have to break free from this easy option give them another year or 3 extra because they are already here retention policy.

There is a whole world out there that plays football, and it is a lot cheaper than retaining AR and NC, get the best loans in and find the Balis's, Koren's and Barnes again.

Getting the supposedly best free transfers on massive contracts isn't sustainable and we need to get much better, much quickly.

I have never booed WBA nor any player, but that doesn't mean I have to see happy clap because he is playing and it certainly doesn't mean we have to keep on retaining that player because the manager has so little to choose from.

On another thread it has been suggested that AR maybe retained because CC likes his versatility, that because he hasn't been offered anything better I contend, and that has too change quickly as the laziness of the likes of Pearce and those who listen to him is destroying us.

[BalisPen]

Judging by the reception he got when he was subbed yesterday i think its safe to say the majority of fans watching thought he had an ok game, i thought he played more  left midfield than  left wing and his job was to drop in and help the midfield 2 when we didn't have the ball to make sure we get over-ran, which clearly worked as i thought we played some nice football first half which Reach was involved in, IMO  your last sentence says a lot of what some fans think, he is apparently on a high wage(although nobody actually knows what he earns )which people hold against him, i like others think he does ok when he plays and depending what division we are in might be worth another contract but what i would say is i would definatly trust CC's opinion over yours.

I give up, let's ""definitely" keep him because after nearly 3 years here ok is our new standard.

[KYA]

So other than slagging off those who, apparently, are chomping at the bit to have a go at Reach, no one can actually name one good thing he did yesterday other than covering his FB.

It accepting this kind of very expensive mediocrity that has got us the verge of administration.

CC is a conservative coach who always seems to prefer the "proven" player than a youth player if he has one at his disposal.

That is completely understandable, but, retaining that player for another year or 2 based on "he's here already, it would be shame to let him go" like our previous contract extensions is why we've got such a high wage bill that is destroying us now.

It shouldn't be CC decision in the summer what happens to AR, it has to sensible decision backed up by a proper thought process as to his replacement.

It's too soon for any new buyer, if they go through with the purchase, to have the correct people in place to have alternative squad fillers to replace AR and NC, but we have to break free from this easy option give them another year or 3 extra because they are already here retention policy.

There is a whole world out there that plays football, and it is a lot cheaper than retaining AR and NC, get the best loans in and find the Balis's, Koren's and Barnes again.

Getting the supposedly best free transfers on massive contracts isn't sustainable and we need to get much better, much quickly.

I have never booed WBA nor any player, but that doesn't mean I have to see happy clap because he is playing and it certainly doesn't mean we have to keep on retaining that player because the manager has so little to choose from.

On another thread it has been suggested that AR maybe retained because CC likes his versatility, that because he hasn't been offered anything better I contend, and that has too change quickly as the laziness of the likes of Pearce and those who listen to him is destroying us.

As far as I'm aware nobody on here is shouting for Reach to get a new contract and second guessing what CC  wants is a pointless excercise .
All people are saying is he's here until the end of the season and is part of the squad.

[Albion79]

Personally i would look to move Reach on but i do think CC does give youth a chance.

We finished the game yesterday with three academy players on the pitch (Palmer, Taylor and Fellows) and the bench was full of the better ones.

Taylor would probably have got more game time because start of the season i dont think anybody knew how good the Kipre and Bartley partnership would be (i certainly didnt!)

The higher rated academy players train with the first team regular and the three  elite ones (Heard, Whitwell and Higgins) have been on the bench a lot the last few months, chances are the younger players who may play in Reachs position (and other positions) and expected to do the role he does arent ready to stepup yet.

Corberan is very strict on players being disciplined and doing whats asked, thats the team ethic and his style and its the same  for first team players too and not just academy players.

[jimmyj]

I give up, let's ""definitely" keep him because after nearly 3 years here ok is our new standard.

Absolutely nobody is saying that on this board. Zero. None. All I've read is "he's doing ok, rather we weren't paying him loads, but seems to be doing a job". You then take that as "lets keep him then".
You have to be the most relentlessly negative person on this board, its tiring reading your posts in all honesty. 

[saltnshake]

So other than slagging off those who, apparently, are chomping at the bit to have a go at Reach, no one can actually name one good thing he did yesterday other than covering his FB.

It accepting this kind of very expensive mediocrity that has got us the verge of administration.

CC is a conservative coach who always seems to prefer the "proven" player than a youth player if he has one at his disposal.

That is completely understandable, but, retaining that player for another year or 2 based on "he's here already, it would be shame to let him go" like our previous contract extensions is why we've got such a high wage bill that is destroying us now.

It shouldn't be CC decision in the summer what happens to AR, it has to sensible decision backed up by a proper thought process as to his replacement.

It's too soon for any new buyer, if they go through with the purchase, to have the correct people in place to have alternative squad fillers to replace AR and NC, but we have to break free from this easy option give them another year or 3 extra because they are already here retention policy.

There is a whole world out there that plays football, and it is a lot cheaper than retaining AR and NC, get the best loans in and find the Balis's, Koren's and Barnes again.

Getting the supposedly best free transfers on massive contracts isn't sustainable and we need to get much better, much quickly.

I have never booed WBA nor any player, but that doesn't mean I have to see happy clap because he is playing and it certainly doesn't mean we have to keep on retaining that player because the manager has so little to choose from.

On another thread it has been suggested that AR maybe retained because CC likes his versatility, that because he hasn't been offered anything better I contend, and that has too change quickly as the laziness of the likes of Pearce and those who listen to him is destroying us.

Are you saying CC shouldn't have an input on Reach in particular ? or any players that are out of contract? and we have quite a few, whatever happens we do have to reduce our wage bill but that doesn't mean we can't offer some of them a new contract on reduced terms trying to build  a whole new squad whichever division we are in would prove difficult.

[BalisPen]

Are you saying CC shouldn't have an input on Reach in particular ? or any players that are out of contract? and we have quite a few, whatever happens we do have to reduce our wage bill but that doesn't mean we can't offer some of them a new contract on reduced terms trying to build  a whole new squad whichever division we are in would prove difficult.

If that's what you read from my posts, then I cannot add anymore here to explain what I mean.

[BalisPen]

Absolutely nobody is saying that on this board. Zero. None. All I've read is "he's doing ok, rather we weren't paying him loads, but seems to be doing a job". You then take that as "lets keep him then".
You have to be the most relentlessly negative person on this board, its tiring reading your posts in all honesty.

I maybe, wrong but I don't believe when you join this board it says you must read every Balispen post, so they are easy to avoid, as the name is there at the top left, so if the verge of administration and my commenting on why it has happened seems negative to you, then don't work your self up reading it,  and be happy that we are 5th and have beaten an u23 Blackburn team missing their freescoring mf, and just pray that the bills and loans will go away and we can happy clap together and maybe even get a ring ring a rosies in too.

You obviously, haven't read the posts, have you, which is odd as one was just above from Saltnshake who wasn't averse to retaining him.

Furthermore, I ask you to find the negative posts that makes me the most negative poster on here on the threads of AM, AP, CK, TF, GD and many more threads.

[caravanc58]

Its not easy talking down a player who just gets on with it but for me  Reach is the Epitome of average. That's not knocking him it's just what he is, do we need his versatility? Pipa can cover left back and left midfield. We have Wallace, Fellows and Diangana, only one of those can play on the Right at any one time so someone  has to switch to the left and whoever that is they'll do a better job than Reach. In my humble we don't need to him.

[saltnshake]

If that's what you read from my posts, then I cannot add anymore here to explain what I mean.

It shouldn't be CC decision in the summer what happens to AR, it has to sensible decision backed up by a proper thought process as to his replacement.
A sentence  from your previous post, that's why i asked the question, surly the head coach needs to have an input? there are a few clubs that have started taking the recruitment  decisions away from head coaches/managers  and that doesn't normally end well ask Tony Mowbray, due to us having a lot of players out of contract this summer we may have to re- sign some of them especially if we don't go up as i don't think we are going to have chance to change the whole structure of the club  from being taken over to having to make  decisions  on contracts, also like you i wouldn't especially want Pearce making all the decisions either.

[BalisPen]

It shouldn't be CC decision in the summer what happens to AR, it has to sensible decision backed up by a proper thought process as to his replacement.
A sentence  from your previous post, that's why i asked the question, surly the head coach needs to have an input? there are a few clubs that have started taking the recruitment  decisions away from head coaches/managers  and that doesn't normally end well ask Tony Mowbray, due to us having a lot of players out of contract this summer we may have to re- sign some of them especially if we don't go up as i don't think we are going to have chance to change the whole structure of the club  from being taken over to having to make  decisions  on contracts, also like you i wouldn't especially want Pearce making all the decisions either.

Obviously, you haven't understood a word of what wrote about him being offered better options, and you can twist it like you want.

If it makes you happy I want CC out and Steve Bruce and Alan Pardew as his assistant back.

[saltnshake]

Its not easy talking down a player who just gets on with it but for me  Reach is the Epitome of average. That's not knocking him it's just what he is, do we need his versatility? Pipa can cover left back and left midfield. We have Wallace, Fellows and Diangana, only one of those can play on the Right at any one time so someone  has to switch to the left and whoever that is they'll do a better job than Reach. In my humble we don't need to him.

I actually thought the balance of the team in the first half yesterday was the best its been for a while with all 11 players contributing, i agree the  players mentioned are better than Reach although  Diangana is inconsistent and due an injury, Wallace is nowhere near as affective on the left and i wouldn't be surprised over the next few games if Fellows is given a rest, playing all your best players in the team doesn't always work.

[KYA]

I maybe, wrong but I don't believe when you join this board it says you must read every Balispen post, so they are easy to avoid, as the name is there at the top left, so if the verge of administration and my commenting on why it has happened seems negative to you, then don't work your self up reading it,  and be happy that we are 5th and have beaten an u23 Blackburn team missing their freescoring mf, and just pray that the bills and loans will go away and we can happy clap together and maybe even get a ring ring a rosies in too.

You obviously, haven't read the posts, have you, which is odd as one was just above from Saltnshake who wasn't averse to retaining him.

Furthermore, I ask you to find the negative posts that makes me the most negative poster on here on the threads of AM, AP, CK, TF, GD and many more threads.

I don't know about the most negative poster but most sarcastic I think you win hands down.

[saltnshake]

Obviously, you haven't understood a word of what wrote about him being offered better options, and you can twist it like you want.

If it makes you happy I want CC out and Steve Bruce and Alan Pardew as his assistant back.

I don't think i have tried to twist it any particular way i have just given my opinion like you have and was quite happy to have a proper debate, maybe i'm not clever enough to understand you're posts.

[caravanc58]

I actually thought the balance of the team in the first half yesterday was the best its been for a while with all 11 players contributing, i agree the  players mentioned are better than Reach although  Diangana is inconsistent and due an injury, Wallace is nowhere near as affective on the left and i wouldn't be surprised over the next few games if Fellows is given a rest, playing all your best players in the team doesn't always work.

From a financial view we still need to cut the wage bill, I would rather  Reach, Kelly and Pieters depart than players most likely to get us out this league. They're all in their 30's and probably on decent money, you would think with decent scouting or using our own academy we could lower the wage bill without lowering the standard of player departing, collectively those three players have contributed very little this season.

[saltnshake]

From a financial view we still need to cut the wage bill, I would rather  Reach, Kelly and Pieters depart than players most likely to get us out this league. They're all in their 30's and probably on decent money, you would think with decent scouting or using our own academy we could lower the wage bill without lowering the standard of player departing, collectively those three players have contributed very little this season.

I do agree we have better players and unfortunately i can't see anyone wanting to take any of them off our wage bill this month and Kelly and Pieters  will defiantly leave at the end of the season, Kelly probably wouldn't be here at all if he hadn't got injured as far as the rest of this season goes IMO CC is more likely to pick  the experienced players he trusts than our young academy players especially whilst we are in the top 6 which will mean quite a lot of game time for Reach in particular and maybe Pieters  if we switch to a back 5.

[gazberg]

Missed all the fun again while at work.


I think most people are scared that the rumours that CC wants to extend his deal are true.

When a club has precious little money then you need it to stretch further than extending Adam Reachs contract here. 

He's 31 in about 3 weeks. It just suggests that nothing has been learnt from our past mistakes that have helped bring us to where we are.

I hope he goes at the end of the season and i'll wish him well if he does.

[baggie53]

I maybe, wrong but I don't believe when you join this board it says you must read every Balispen post, so they are easy to avoid, as the name is there at the top left, so if the verge of administration and my commenting on why it has happened seems negative to you, then don't work your self up reading it,  and be happy that we are 5th and have beaten an u23 Blackburn team missing their freescoring mf, and just pray that the bills and loans will go away and we can happy clap together and maybe even get a ring ring a rosies in too.

You obviously, haven't read the posts, have you, which is odd as one was just above from Saltnshake who wasn't averse to retaining him.

Furthermore, I ask you to find the negative posts that makes me the most negative poster on here on the threads of AM, AP, CK, TF, GD and many more threads.

It's probably my age, but sometimes I struggle to identify who the initials refer to. Is it too much trouble to put a name?

[KYA]

It's probably my age, but sometimes I struggle to identify who the initials refer to. Is it too much trouble to put a name?

I'm glad it's not just me who has that trouble    .

[Blowee]

I maybe, wrong but I don't believe when you join this board it says you must read every Balispen post, so they are easy to avoid, as the name is there at the top left, so if the verge of administration and my commenting on why it has happened seems negative to you, then don't work your self up reading it,  and be happy that we are 5th and have beaten an u23 Blackburn team missing their freescoring mf, and just pray that the bills and loans will go away and we can happy clap together and maybe even get a ring ring a rosies in too.

You obviously, haven't read the posts, have you, which is odd as one was just above from Saltnshake who wasn't averse to retaining him.

Furthermore, I ask you to find the negative posts that makes me the most negative poster on here on the threads of AM, AP, CK, TF, GD and many more threads.

Come on, I’m nearly 60 and I get it. Get down with the kids! Arthur Mullard, Alan Partridge, Calvin Klein, Trevor Francis and Gerard Depardieu. It was obvious to me.

[SmethDan]

It's probably my age, but sometimes I struggle to identify who the initials refer to. Is it too much trouble to put a name?

Alex Mowatt, Alex Palmer, Cedric Kipre, Tom Fellows and Grady Diangana.

[KYA]

Come on, I’m nearly 60 and I get it. Get down with the kids! Arthur Mullard, Alan Partridge, Calvin Klein, Trevor Francis and Gerard Depardieu. It was obvious to me.

Haha, that's brilliant an excellent riposte to this initials malarkey.
Andy Murray, Al Pacino,Carole King,Tom Finney and Gary Davis anymore!

[boinging_along]

I really don't want us to extend his contract.  The guy offers nothing that we can't get from a youth player. 

It was noteable that against Blackburn, probably the worst team to visit the Hawthorn's this season, it stuck out as a better performance from him because he wasn't as bad as he usually is.

[gazberg]

I really don't want us to extend his contract.  The guy offers nothing that we can't get from a youth player. 

It was noteable that against Blackburn, probably the worst team to visit the Hawthorn's this season, it stuck out as a better performance from him because he wasn't as bad as he usually is.

Agreed, usually when everyone says Reach has put in one his best performances it's usually a 6 out fo 10. A luxury we cannot afford.

[KYA]

So let the heartaches begin I can't help it I can't win by LJB