[BB74]

Quick question.

When the football season starts again will there be vaccine passports required to watch the albion or will it be business as usual?

Business as usual I believe. There are no restrictions after Monday.

[The Black Pearl]

I pretend to use my Tesco clubcard app when I go into pubs, I have been vaccinated, I get PCR tests 3 times a week, I'm a risk to no one, I just wish they would make the passport app compulsory.

[SmethDan]

My wife's best mate's husband and daughter both tested positive some months ago but had few difficulties with Covid. Their eighteen year old son who's as fit as a fiddle and most definitely not a hypochondriac tested positive a couple of days ago. He hasn't left his bed or been able to eat anything in that time and he's running a very high temperature apparently. Covid isn't going anywhere other than to families like theirs any time soon.

[TheJacko2000]

My wife's best mate's husband and daughter both tested positive some months ago but had few difficulties with Covid. Their eighteen year old son who's as fit as a fiddle and most definitely not a hypochondriac tested positive a couple of days ago. He hasn't left his bed or been able to eat anything in that time and he's running a very high temperature apparently. Covid isn't going anywhere other than to families like theirs any time soon.

Sounds exactly like my case last April. Knocked me sideways like a bad flu. In bed for 5 days until the fever broke.

[tommcneill]

Just had my 2nd jab. Not even a sore arm......hopefully thats the way it will stay as Cornwall is going to bask in late 20s early 30 temps all weekend, the missus is working all day tomorow and out all day Sunday so im planning on hitting the beach for 2 days with the rugrats and I want to enjoy this glorious weather.

[KYA]

Apparently cancelling operations at the QE due to covid cases but what struck me were these figures, there are currently 1,091 staff absent from work at Queen Elizabeth, of which a quarter, 275, has been told to isolate or are sick with COVID-19.
1,029 with  275 isolating so that's 754 off sick for one reason or another multiply this throughout the NHS and it's not hard to see where the money is swallowed up with agency staff to cover, the NHS is a money-pit no amount of money would ever be enough.
 

[tommcneill]

Absolutely zero reactions to this jab this time.

Not even a sore arm.

Me and the kids have been sunning ourselves on Carne Beach all day, beautiful day!

Bring on the 19th

[KN22]

Absolutely zero reactions to this jab this time.

Not even a sore arm.

Me and the kids have been sunning ourselves on Carne Beach all day, beautiful day!

Bring on the 19th

Good to hear, and I was the same. Worrying about current case numbers I have to say.

[tommcneill]

Good to hear, and I was the same. Worrying about current case numbers I have to say.

I don’t think the case rates are an issue myself. As long as the deaths are low then infection rates don’t mean much in my view.

[MarkW]

I don’t think the case rates are an issue myself. As long as the deaths are low then infection rates don’t mean much in my view.

Only thing to be wary of is that with every infection is a chance of mutation, particularly when you have a mix of unvaccinated, single and double jabbed.

[tommcneill]

Only thing to be wary of is that with every infection is a chance of mutation, particularly when you have a mix of unvaccinated, single and double jabbed.

In most cases a virus that mutates doesn’t really change how a virus works and in a lot of cases weakens the virus.

I’m no medical expert obviously but I don’t think any of the mutations have been significantly deadlier or anything  just more transmissible.

I’ve never held much regard for the infection rate, it was the death rate that was the issue for me mate

[section5]

Only thing to be wary of is that with every infection is a chance of mutation, particularly when you have a mix of unvaccinated, single and double jabbed.

I don’t know how many mutations are doing the rounds now but in September 2020:

“Despite the virus’s sluggish mutation rate, researchers have catalogued more than 12,000 mutations in SARS-CoV-2 genomes.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02544-6

You’re not going to avoid mutations whether people are vaccinated up to 5 times, have natural immunity or no immunity. It’s a part of viruses we can’t avoid.

“Rather, mutation is a humdrum aspect of life for an RNA virus. Because these viruses employ an intrinsically error-prone RNA polymerase for replication, their genomes will accumulate mutations during every copying cycle. Moreover, these cycles can occur on the order of hours, ensuring that a diverse virus population will be generated within a single infected host. While this amazing capacity to mutate fuels the engine of evolutionary change, most mutations adversely impact some aspect of virus function ”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7095397/

Mutation is an inevitable consequence of being a virus, and mutations can happen naturally and in some cases through vaccination

“Vaccination, which intensifies and modifies selection by protecting hosts against one or more pathogen strains, can drive the emergence of new dominant pathogen strains-a phenomenon called vaccine-induced pathogen strain replacement.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17459810/

We’re not going to get rid of this it will run it’s course like other pathogens and natural selection will take its place. Remember any mutation that makes a virus more deadly will typically kill off the virus as it will have no hosts to transmit to, that’s why mutations are usually more transmissible but less deadly 

[TheJacko2000]

Viruses in mutating shocker...

[KN22]

I don’t think the case rates are an issue myself. As long as the deaths are low then infection rates don’t mean much in my view.

Agreed but death rates are increasing too. Not sure what will happen but clearly it’s not going away.

[gazberg]

Agreed but death rates are increasing too. Not sure what will happen but clearly it’s not going away.

Everything we tried to hide from for 18 months will now take place KN22 but with less fatalities than without the vaccines unless it mutates to beat the vaccines.

To what extent lives have been saved who knows and long term i don't think it will have been worth it but only time will tell.

[hardtobeat]

Everything we tried to hide from for 18 months will now take place KN22 but with less fatalities than without the vaccines unless it mutates to beat the vaccines.

To what extent lives have been saved who knows and long term i don't think it will have been worth it but only time will tell.

Are you saying we shouldn't have had any restrictions and those that die die ?

[gazberg]

Are you saying we shouldn't have had any restrictions and those that die die ?

Not at all, how did you jump to that conclusion? Comes across as very black and white thinking.

[WoysWunderful]

Had 2 positive lateral flow test on friday morning, both postive than a pcr test that came back positive aswell, annoying as ive been really careful around people. Felt a lot worse than i was expecting aswell after 1 jab.  Im not proper ill and completley bedridden but the best way is desrcibe is i feel "dordy" as they say in the peoples republic of tipton.

SSP is a joke though, im about 500 quid down througg thebisolation 

[gazberg]

Had 2 positive lateral flow test on friday morning, both postive than a pcr test that came back positive aswell, annoying as ive been really careful around people. Felt a lot worse than i was expecting aswell after 1 jab.  Im not proper ill and completley bedridden but the best way is desrcibe is i feel "dordy" as they say in the peoples republic of tipton.

SSP is a joke though, im about 500 quid down througg thebisolation 

Get well soon mate

[dangerman]

Just got back from the Atrix in Bromsgrove (second jab).

Well impressed at the organisation of it. From my experience the nhs are generally good at the care but not so much the organisation so this was good to see.

Hopefully I have no effects of the jab! 

[gazberg]

2nd one was fine for me, no problems at all but mine was AZ.

[tommcneill]

2nd one was fine for me, no problems at all but mine was AZ.

I had the AZ one too

[section5]

How’s everyone feeling about tomorrow? Will you be going back to normal? Anyone deleting the app? Seen a lot of people moaning about it now, especially after the pilot schemes of daily lft testing mps have got themselves on.

[hardtobeat]

Not at all, how did you jump to that conclusion? Comes across as very black and white thinking.

You seemed to be saying 18months of restrictions haven't been worthwhile which to my mind means we shouldn't have any

[dangerman]

How’s everyone feeling about tomorrow? Will you be going back to normal? Anyone deleting the app? Seen a lot of people moaning about it now, especially after the pilot schemes of daily lft testing mps have got themselves on.

The app has been a waste of money from the start.

I have deleted it now because it really isn’t fit for purpose.

As above, (and regardless of the reason) if nhs managers are telling their staff not to use it that says everything to me about how good the app is.