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Who would you want as next Manager

Ronald Koeman
Alan Pardew
Michael O'Neill
Derek McInnes
Manuel Pellegrini
Sam Allardyce
Slaven Bilic
Thomas Tuchel
Walter Mazzarri
Craig Shakespeare
Michael Appleton
Martin O'Neill
Roy Keane
Andre Villas Boas
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Graham Potter
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Re: Next Manager Thread
« Reply #1075 on: November 25, 2017, 11:47:58 AM »
I think I'm with WorcsWBA here
Pardew may have personality issues to some, real or perceived, as would any potential appointee but our Tone certainly had his own fair share of such issues just different ones (or maybe not so different.) 
Not too fussed if we do or don't appoint Pardew I just want whoever it is in place and working with the team ASAP please
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« Reply #1076 on: November 25, 2017, 12:15:42 PM »
Let's hope we have someone in place after today's game. 3 massive 6 pointers coming up
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« Reply #1077 on: November 25, 2017, 12:24:24 PM »
La Liga is a comparable league to the Premier league though. Silva has already managed at Hull in the premier league so yes I would take him. He also managed at Sporting Lisbon and had Champions league experience with Olympiakos so again had managed at a comparable level to the premier league. Whichever way you want to paint it the Swedish league isn't anywhere near the same standard.

La liga is no where like the premier league and I notices you didn’t say if you would have appointed Silva before he went to Hull. Just listened to Chris Wilder on the radio how th3 hell can we not even speak to him
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« Reply #1078 on: November 25, 2017, 12:32:17 PM »
Another case of jobs for the boys. It shows that Williams and Hammond have no imagination, and are simply going to fetch their mates in.

The Williams and Hammonds of English football are precisely the reason why we have underperformed as a footballing power for so long.

The English game needs an injection of fresh ideas. I can't wait for these dinosaurs to f*** off.
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« Reply #1079 on: November 25, 2017, 12:32:30 PM »
If it is to be Pardew I'd like to hope he would build a midfield based around Jacob, Greg, Brunt (I assume Chadli will be out for a while) and Barry, with Phillips and McClean out wide. He is known for liking traditional wingers and it would certainly go down well with the older baggies amongst us! We really need to start creating goalmouth opportunities......quickly!!

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« Reply #1080 on: November 25, 2017, 12:37:45 PM »
Another case of jobs for the boys. It shows that Williams and Hammond have no imagination, and are simply going to fetch their mates in.

The Williams and Hammonds of English football are precisely the reason why we have underperformed as a footballing power for so long.

The English game needs an injection of fresh ideas. I can't wait for these dinosaurs to f*** off.

Can’t disagree at all, I was going to write something similar. Hammonds future rests on this decision. If this goes wrong he would have to go as it seems like he is the one championing Pardew’s case. I always give managers a chance and will do with Pardew but pretty underwhelmed to be honest.
If it has to be Pardew I would give him till the end of the season and then re-evaluate.

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« Reply #1081 on: November 25, 2017, 12:43:03 PM »
One thing Pardew will do is he will defend our players and the club.
I seem to remember in Hus post match interviews that he rarely mentions the opposition,unless it a top six club.
Unlike TP who sort of run our own players down sort of belittling them and us,weird stuff really from him.
Also I didn't like Pulis running away down the tunnel as fast as he could,he wouldn't stay and be one of us,know what I mean?

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« Reply #1082 on: November 25, 2017, 12:47:28 PM »
Pardew is basically the worst option I can think off
Please get someone with more upside than Pardew Baggies

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« Reply #1083 on: November 25, 2017, 12:57:05 PM »
Another case of jobs for the boys. It shows that Williams and Hammond have no imagination, and are simply going to fetch their mates in.

The Williams and Hammonds of English football are precisely the reason why we have underperformed as a footballing power for so long.

The English game needs an injection of fresh ideas. I can't wait for these dinosaurs to f*** off.
This is absolutely correct.

We'll never achieve sustainable progress as a club (or indeed as a footballing nation) until we embrace new ideas (as are being used successfully by some domestic clubs but particularly on the continent).

Comprehensive education around the tactical and technical side of the game is badly needed among most british players, coaches, directors and chairmen.

Football needs to become more of an academic and intellectual pursuit if it is to progress in this country. That's not going to happen as long as people like John Williams are chairmen of Premier League clubs appointing managers like Alan Pardew.

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« Reply #1084 on: November 25, 2017, 12:57:28 PM »
Pardew. Bilic. It's clear our board has zero imagination.

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« Reply #1085 on: November 25, 2017, 01:02:18 PM »
Brendan Rodgers first choice for me but that is not looking very likely. Therefore Alan Pardew ticks many boxes and I don’t believe by any means is a disaster.  In fact I am warming to the idea that he will do a solid job.  If the club really are thinking long term and want to take risk then a Chris Wilder or a Graham Potter are the left field options I believe offer something different.  Not by any means saying they will as it’s a big gamble but there are examples where this approach actually works out more beneficial sometimes, any appointment is always a calculated gamble, it’s just how big you want to go!

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« Reply #1086 on: November 25, 2017, 01:14:23 PM »
If Pardew was a Spanish manager with the same record he has now in La Liga, it'd be interesting to see how he would be viewed differently.

Of course, we do actually know - Pepe Mel was a good example of fans being blinded by an exotic name in spite of all evidence.

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« Reply #1087 on: November 25, 2017, 01:18:21 PM »
If Pardew was a Spanish manager with the same record he has now in La Liga, it'd be interesting to see how he would be viewed differently.

Of course, we do actually know - Pepe Mel was a good example of fans being blinded by an exotic name in spite of all evidence.

Yeah. I do laugh that some think approaching a foreign manager would make us "modern" or whatever.

Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche. Good British coaches who are holding their own in this league.
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« Reply #1088 on: November 25, 2017, 01:33:40 PM »
Yeah. I do laugh that some think approaching a foreign manager would make us "modern" or whatever.

Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche. Good British coaches who are holding their own in this league.

Don’t have anything against British coaches. There are some excellent young bright British coaches but the problem is we will only go for British managers that have been around the block.

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« Reply #1089 on: November 25, 2017, 01:37:21 PM »
I do laugh that some think approaching a foreign manager would make us "modern" or whatever.
I couldn't give a monkeys about us being modern/trendy, I just want someone at the club who wants to make some effort to attack the opposition, who has some fresh, rather than stale, ideas and who has fire in his belly and something to prove.

In other words, the opposite of dinosaurs like Pulis and Irvine who you adore.
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« Reply #1090 on: November 25, 2017, 01:40:52 PM »
Football is a simple game made complicated by some coaches.

We have a squad currently geared up to play with width at home and /or five in midfield and a counter attacking game away from home .

I’d just love any new manager to acknowledge the game is based on enjoyment so when players enjoy it = fans enjoying it, simple!

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« Reply #1091 on: November 25, 2017, 01:42:25 PM »
make a nice change to get a coach that doesn't constantly big up the opposition like Pulis did,always smacked of him getting in his excuses early,good riddance to the dinosaur,Pardew WILL be a breath of fresh air even if we wanted someone else

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« Reply #1092 on: November 25, 2017, 01:59:26 PM »
If Pardew was a Spanish manager with the same record he has now in La Liga, it'd be interesting to see how he would be viewed differently.

Of course, we do actually know - Pepe Mel was a good example of fans being blinded by an exotic name in spite of all evidence.

I am not sure if you are posting this in 'support' of Pardew or not, but on Mel.
You are right about the evidence. He had basically failed just about everywhere and was an extremely strange option.

But we should be looking outside of the Prem & England. I hear Potter's name mentioned and I am interested, but... I wonder how his holistic approach to football that works so well with players almost seeking a redemption would work as well with the egos that are at Premier League level. For example the all acting in local plays etc... that would almost certainly be impossible in the Prem.

Not saying we shouldn't look, but success with one group may not mean success with an entire different species of footballer.

There is enough money that we should be able to look to managers who have achieved results elsewhere.
Look at Jardim at Monaco as a perfect example. What has done at Monaco has been incredible. I just don't see a person like Pardew as being capable of delivering that.

It is remarkable that he has forged the career he has in management
Here is my shortened roundup of his Managerial career.

Reading - Successful, brings club from div 2 up to championship, makes players heads to West Ham
West Ham - Got promoted to Prem (at 2nd attempt), made a cup final, led the team to their worst run of defeats for a 70 year period. sacked
Charlton - Abysmal failure... Took a struggling Premier League team & left my 'mutual consent' with Charlton in bottom 3 of Championship
Southampton - Sacked after 5 months
Newcastle - His best run since Reading and looked really good for a while with his foreign league of players .His 1st season was average (finishing 12th at a time when they should have been a top 7 club), the next season they qualified for Europe, he won Premier League Manager of the Season and followed that with a quarter final appearance in the Europa Cup. He did end up on a run of 15 losses in 21 games though and eventually left by mutual consent.
Crystal Palace - Good first 1/2 a season, okay start to first full season, but from midway of that.. total failure. As a manager in 2016 he won 6 of 36 games!!!

 
What part of that has the club sitting there saying "We need to talk to THAT guy!!" ?

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« Reply #1093 on: November 25, 2017, 02:04:12 PM »
Dont get me wrong anyone would be an improvement on Pulis even my missus but Pardew?

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« Reply #1094 on: November 25, 2017, 02:18:10 PM »
I am not sure if you are posting this in 'support' of Pardew or not, but on Mel.
You are right about the evidence. He had basically failed just about everywhere and was an extremely strange option.

But we should be looking outside of the Prem & England. I hear Potter's name mentioned and I am interested, but... I wonder how his holistic approach to football that works so well with players almost seeking a redemption would work as well with the egos that are at Premier League level. For example the all acting in local plays etc... that would almost certainly be impossible in the Prem.

Not saying we shouldn't look, but success with one group may not mean success with an entire different species of footballer.

There is enough money that we should be able to look to managers who have achieved results elsewhere.
Look at Jardim at Monaco as a perfect example. What has done at Monaco has been incredible. I just don't see a person like Pardew as being capable of delivering that.

It is remarkable that he has forged the career he has in management
Here is my shortened roundup of his Managerial career.

Reading - Successful, brings club from div 2 up to championship, makes players heads to West Ham
West Ham - Got promoted to Prem (at 2nd attempt), made a cup final, led the team to their worst run of defeats for a 70 year period. sacked
Charlton - Abysmal failure... Took a struggling Premier League team & left my 'mutual consent' with Charlton in bottom 3 of Championship
Southampton - Sacked after 5 months
Newcastle - His best run since Reading and looked really good for a while with his foreign league of players .His 1st season was average (finishing 12th at a time when they should have been a top 7 club), the next season they qualified for Europe, he won Premier League Manager of the Season and followed that with a quarter final appearance in the Europa Cup. He did end up on a run of 15 losses in 21 games though and eventually left by mutual consent.
Crystal Palace - Good first 1/2 a season, okay start to first full season, but from midway of that.. total failure. As a manager in 2016 he won 6 of 36 games!!!

 
What part of that has the club sitting there saying "We need to talk to THAT guy!!" ?

You actually think Jardim would even be a remote possibility?

Pardew wouldn't be my number one choice but looking at some of the dross that some fans actually want - McInnes, both O'Neil's, Pearson, Shakespeare - then he starts to look like a good appointment.

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« Reply #1095 on: November 25, 2017, 02:27:19 PM »

Pardew wouldn't be my number one choice but looking at some of the dross that some fans actually want - McInnes, both O'Neil's, Pearson, Shakespeare - then he starts to look like a good appointment.

Whatever he is, he is not a good appointment.


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« Reply #1096 on: November 25, 2017, 02:34:03 PM »
Whatever he is, he is not a good appointment.


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« Reply #1097 on: November 25, 2017, 02:44:50 PM »
Seen todays line up. Same old, same old, but different names. So Maybe Megson was the reason we have become even more defensive??

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« Reply #1098 on: November 25, 2017, 03:57:21 PM »
Seen todays line up. Same old, same old, but different names. So Maybe Megson was the reason we have become even more defensive??
It’s so much about the line up that’s important. It’s about the instructions as to how to play.
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« Reply #1099 on: November 25, 2017, 04:09:43 PM »
You actually think Jardim would even be a remote possibility?

Pardew wouldn't be my number one choice but looking at some of the dross that some fans actually want - McInnes, both O'Neil's, Pearson, Shakespeare - then he starts to look like a good appointment.

No I don't...
But I think that you look at his record in Greece and Portugal and you can see the guy can manage. Monaco made a very shrewd appointment. They could have instead gone for a tired and trusted "solid" local coach.

I am saying we need to look within the shores, but we need to look outside as well (and the MUST BE SUCCESSFUL).
I find Allardyce, Pardew, Monk... I mean aren't they all 'nothing' managers???