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Re: BBC Commentary Bias
« Reply #825 on: February 11, 2016, 10:23:13 AM »
'Commentators with no imagination', 'not quite sure what I'm going to say next', 'I've got a finger in my ear'.... football commentary is useless at the best of times. 'I used to kick a ball around now they don't know what to do with me so they put me in this suit and gave me a mic...' ::)

There again, a lot of what they said, unfortunately, was bang on. Brace yourselves.
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« Reply #826 on: February 11, 2016, 10:25:04 AM »
They were gutted there was only 2 replays available and that BT had first option, given that Liverpool were involved then BT would have picked them no matter who they were playing.

For the BBC serves you right to have put on that poor game, justice for the over priced licence fee you force us to pay.
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« Reply #827 on: February 11, 2016, 10:29:43 AM »
I don't really take too much notice of the commentary, but it's easy to see why sky have left the terrestrial channels behind.

What really p**d me off last night were the shots of the crowd. "I don't want to see the crowd, I want to see the game"
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« Reply #828 on: February 11, 2016, 11:42:57 AM »
It was biased only Kevin talked any sense about us and only on the few times he was asked.I think shearer can't get over his management failure at newcastle, and isn't it amazing that he knows exactly what he would do when he's sitting in his pundit chair,Newcastle this and that and lineker seems to think he's made Leicester the best team in the world.change the pundits working for the BBC is a job for life on top money they don't do any research or they would know what's going on at west brom,I ask for a little more respect and decency to a club who have won the cup 5 times with countless semi finals and whose name is carved at wembly as previous winners and founders of the game,they act like giggling in knowledgeable little girls,its too clicky on the been,for what its worth I think Martin keown is very good but Danny Murphy has too big a mouth

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« Reply #829 on: February 11, 2016, 11:45:39 AM »
I think with the likes of Gamboa and Poco, clearly they have weaknesses but also they add something other players dont.

If we were going well, keeping clean sheets, winning games, etc then fair enough they dont deserve to play but we arent, we are rubbish at the moment and could those two plus say a Chester do any worse than what we currently are.

These blokes have played barely 6 games between them in a year, they are going to be rusty, they are going to have lapses but surely they deserve a run of games when others have and are now playing poor? If they make mistake after mistake then they deserve to come out the team but you cant just keep dropping fringe players if they make a mistake. (Not that Gamboa really did, he was offering us an option as we attacked, Mcclean messed up so although he maybe could of done a bit better i dont think Gamboa can take too much blame)

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #830 on: February 11, 2016, 11:50:25 AM »
Hey might go and watch someone else play then,how good are you at work or do you complain there as well? We actually won the tie I think you would say the same if we had lost.bring on reading I say.there were some decent performances from so called fringe players who might get some more games.gamboa rm chester alongside evans etc :'(

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« Reply #831 on: February 11, 2016, 12:12:38 PM »
I agree with most that Gamboa looked half-decent (better than Dawson?) and should be given a run maybe on the right... y'know, a round peg in a round hole?!  Chester seemed to grow into the game but only as Posh tired. Fletcher ok and took goal well.  Rondon's shot to pieces - bereft of confidence, half-heartedly challenging for balls that looked his favour to win and, well, just poor overall.  Just out of interest, did we use all of our subs?  Surely swapping for Vic would've taken him out of the firing line a bit - after all isn't Pulis moaning the team are tired, or is he sending a message to Peace for summer spends?

As for Pulis' constant bawling instructions - it's no wonder the team look so disjointed.  At one point I saw McClean having a go back at him after being rollocked for not following his instructions but the rest of the team looked petrified to try anything other than what was being barked at them.  And then to see him throw his arms in the air at even the slightest error... I'm all for a passionate manager but it can't help your confidence, can it?

All in all glad we're through (love the FA Cup still!) but my god we looked poor. Dreading Everton this weekend...

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« Reply #832 on: February 11, 2016, 12:15:29 PM »
I agree with most that Gamboa looked half-decent (better than Dawson?) and should be given a run maybe on the right... y'know, a round peg in a round hole?!  Chester seemed to grow into the game but only as Posh tired. Fletcher ok and took goal well.  Rondon's shot to pieces - bereft of confidence, half-heartedly challenging for balls that looked his favour to win and, well, just poor overall.  Just out of interest, did we use all of our subs?  Surely swapping for Vic would've taken him out of the firing line a bit - after all isn't Pulis moaning the team are tired, or is he sending a message to Peace for summer spends?

As for Pulis' constant bawling instructions - it's no wonder the team look so disjointed.  At one point I saw McClean having a go back at him after being rollocked for not following his instructions but the rest of the team looked petrified to try anything other than what was being barked at them.  And then to see him throw his arms in the air at even the slightest error... I'm all for a passionate manager but it can't help your confidence, can it?

All in all glad we're through (love the FA Cup still!) but my god we looked poor. Dreading Everton this weekend...

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #833 on: February 11, 2016, 12:30:46 PM »
Cant agree that Fletcher looked OK. He looked pretty shocking apart from smashing the goal in. His penalty was also one of the worst i have ever witnessed.

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« Reply #834 on: February 11, 2016, 12:41:23 PM »
Cant agree that Fletcher looked OK. He looked pretty shocking apart from smashing the goal in. His penalty was also one of the worst i have ever witnessed.

I've seen plenty of far worse penalties than Fletchers attempt.

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« Reply #835 on: February 11, 2016, 12:46:04 PM »
Cant agree that Fletcher looked OK. He looked pretty shocking apart from smashing the goal in. His penalty was also one of the worst i have ever witnessed.

You can't have seen many penalties then
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« Reply #836 on: February 11, 2016, 12:48:20 PM »
I've seen plenty of far worse penalties than Fletchers attempt.

Click on the link below for a bit of light hearted relief.
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« Reply #837 on: February 11, 2016, 01:05:56 PM »
You can't have seen many penalties then

Did say one of the worst. Its not a competition on who has seen the shi[[est pen.

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« Reply #838 on: February 11, 2016, 01:19:21 PM »
Did say one of the worst. Its not a competition on who has seen the shi[[est pen.

But if it was....

Agree it was a poor penalty though, spent a lot of time looking at the keeper instead of worrying about himself. Out of all the players I expected him to bury his
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« Reply #839 on: February 11, 2016, 01:20:45 PM »
He said afterwards that he was distracted by the keeper.  The keeper was waving his arms in the air pointing to one side so it did the job.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #840 on: February 11, 2016, 01:39:56 PM »
How can people blame gamboa for not covering. We were attacking until moron McClean passes the ball to them. Chester could and should of got closer to him. Yacob and gardener got taught a lesson in ball control by a couple of kids. McClean is a woeful player who works hard. Rondon looks a complete waste of money worse than ideye and that's saying something. We need a massive rebuild in the summer again!! 2 strikers, 2 wide men. One centre mid and 2 full backs.
You are right ,we do require a massive rebuild , but pulis is categorically not the man to oversee it !

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« Reply #841 on: February 11, 2016, 03:24:01 PM »
I'm pretty sure there are a load of youngsters in L1 who will be better than your current squad within 12 to 18 months, but then Pulis likes his journeymen


Adam Armstrong - Newcastle United (18) FC (on loan at Coventry) - Newcastle fans want him back given a chance

Jacob Murphy - Norwich (?) WINGER (on loan at Coventry)

Jack Baldwin - Posh (22ish) CB - multiple premier league bids turned down - played out of position against McClean last night

Anderson - Posh (19sih) MC - overrated though (long term injury)

Chris Forrester - Posh (23) MC - price tag now at around £8 Million

Martin Samuelson - West Ham (18) AM (on loan at posh)

Alex Davey - Leicester City (correction - Chelsea) (20/21) LB (was on loan at posh - watch this name)

Bradley Dack - Gillingham (22) FC - don't really rate him myself

Yanik Wilschut - Wigan (24) WINGER - similar to Samuelson

Kemar Roofe - Oxford (?) AM/FC/WINGER

Ed Upson - Millwall (26) MC

Paul Caddis - Birmingham City (27) RB

Britt Assombalonga - Notts Forest (22ish) FC

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I'm sure there are lots more, hopefully the premier league might start taking their attitude towards the FL a bit more seriously and giving the players a chance before casting them off only to see themselves getting bitten five years later
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« Reply #842 on: February 11, 2016, 03:37:41 PM »
it hurts to say it but posh were ok but how many saves did ben foster have to make? we had many more shots on target and could easily have won 4-0 or 4-1.did mr.shearer mention that at all while giving his glowing assessments? remember that we won,look in the record books in 12 months time it will say wba won and into 5th round ,not how great posh were and tell that to their ignorant and disrespectful chairman, manager and durham.

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« Reply #843 on: February 11, 2016, 03:42:46 PM »
it hurts to say it but posh were ok but how many saves did ben foster have to make? we had many more shots on target and could easily have won 4-0 or 4-1.did mr.shearer mention that at all while giving his glowing assessments? remember that we won,look in the record books in 12 months time it will say wba won and into 5th round ,not how great posh were and tell that to their ignorant and disrespectful chairman, manager and durham.

Eight.

We had five on target.

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« Reply #844 on: February 11, 2016, 03:43:46 PM »
also arnt we the only midland representives still in the cup,not bad is it?if we had been knocked out some people will moan crikey were still in it and people are still complaining.

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« Reply #845 on: February 11, 2016, 03:59:10 PM »
I'm pretty sure there are a load of youngsters in L1 who will be better than your current squad within 12 to 18 months, but then Pulis likes his journeymen


Adam Armstrong - Newcastle United (18) FC (on loan at Coventry) - Newcastle fans want him back given a chance

Jacob Murphy - Norwich (?) WINGER (on loan at Coventry)

Jack Baldwin - Posh (22ish) CB - multiple premier league bids turned down - played out of position against McClean last night

Anderson - Posh (19sih) MC - overrated though (long term injury)

Chris Forrester - Posh (23) MC - price tag now at around £8 Million

Martin Samuelson - West Ham (18) AM (on loan at posh)

Alex Davey - Leicester City (correction - Chelsea) (20/21) LB (was on loan at posh - watch this name)

Bradley Dack - Gillingham (22) FC - don't really rate him myself

Yanik Wilschut - Wigan (24) WINGER - similar to Samuelson

Kemar Roofe - Oxford (?) AM/FC/WINGER

Ed Upson - Millwall (26) MC

Paul Caddis - Birmingham City (27) RB

Britt Assombalonga - Notts Forest (22ish) FC

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I'm sure there are lots more, hopefully the premier league might start taking their attitude towards the FL a bit more seriously and giving the players a chance before casting them off only to see themselves getting bitten five years later

Some decent names amongst that , but Paul Caddis ?  ;D You're having a laugh
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« Reply #846 on: February 11, 2016, 04:02:18 PM »
I'm pretty sure there are a load of youngsters in L1 who will be better than your current squad within 12 to 18 months, but then Pulis likes his journeymen


Adam Armstrong - Newcastle United (18) FC (on loan at Coventry) - Newcastle fans want him back given a chance

Jacob Murphy - Norwich (?) WINGER (on loan at Coventry)

Jack Baldwin - Posh (22ish) CB - multiple premier league bids turned down - played out of position against McClean last night

Anderson - Posh (19sih) MC - overrated though (long term injury)

Chris Forrester - Posh (23) MC - price tag now at around £8 Million

Martin Samuelson - West Ham (18) AM (on loan at posh)

Alex Davey - Leicester City (correction - Chelsea) (20/21) LB (was on loan at posh - watch this name)

Bradley Dack - Gillingham (22) FC - don't really rate him myself

Yanik Wilschut - Wigan (24) WINGER - similar to Samuelson

Kemar Roofe - Oxford (?) AM/FC/WINGER

Ed Upson - Millwall (26) MC

Paul Caddis - Birmingham City (27) RB

Britt Assombalonga - Notts Forest (22ish) FC

.....

I'm sure there are lots more, hopefully the premier league might start taking their attitude towards the FL a bit more seriously and giving the players a chance before casting them off only to see themselves getting bitten five years later

All decent players but there is a reason they are playing at a level or several levels below the Prem.

Samuelson and Forrester do look good though

Kemar Roofe was released by us...as he wasn't good enough

Paul Caddis??? errr I don't think so
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« Reply #847 on: February 11, 2016, 04:19:58 PM »
it hurts to say it but posh were ok but how many saves did ben foster have to make? we had many more shots on target and could easily have won 4-0 or 4-1.did mr.shearer mention that at all while giving his glowing assessments? remember that we won,look in the record books in 12 months time it will say wba won and into 5th round ,not how great posh were and tell that to their ignorant and disrespectful chairman, manager and durham.

Remember you were playing a team who just lost their main goal threat, and a new signing who was cuptied. Couilthirst had only played about three games for the Posh having been there less than three weeks, and Angol hasn't scored in months, and was in and out of the squad. Couilthirst was not that great last night either. The player who came on Coulibaly I fear his career at posh is now over being behind Angol, Nichols, Couilthirst and probably Nabi and Samuelson in a more advanced position when up to speed

Had you been playing against Washington, or against us with those players 4 months down the line - I think we'd have won, as it was we looked a bit blunt and inexperienced up front. It is easy to talk about how you got through, and you had a patched up side, but so did posh - and the most expensive player on the pitch was quite a bit less than £1 mill with addons, Baldwin and Bostwick)

I know the result is technically all that matters on the night, but over the season I fear some of your fans are a bit blinkered when being critical of the inevitable media bias, that posh didn't have a major goal threat is not a reason to think things are OK (and both teams had a make shift defence on display)

If Pulis was at posh we'd have less than 4,000 fans turning up, and almost certain he would have lasted less than 6 months - still if he keeps you in the prem, maybe that's enough, but you can't call conspiracy and bias because you don't like what other people think of the style of play and energy levels.

Personally you don't look like a premier league side, and don't think for a minute we are a top two league one side, because we are top six at best until our front six or so players have developed enough for two to stand out as league one starters on a regular basis.

I read a lot on here about your fans supportive of Pulis not liking the bias, and dismissing any criticism - but sometimes it is warranted even though it hurts. We managed to get a muppet Dave Robertson replaced for the same poor results and non football, where our most skilled players were told they could leave, now they start week in and week out, we score three times more goals and get twice as many points. Players like Boswick looked like some of yours do now, a manager that sucks the life out of the football eventually damages the players will to play, no attacker wants to defend for 90 minutes.

It seems some of the fans on here have some sort of victim mentality, if this style gets you results, then that is all good, but you must understand people are going to be critical, and with context on Posh's also patched up attack and defence - the excuses don't wash when you consider the budgetary differences between the two clubs.

These games are never easy, but there are no circumstances where Posh should have been so easy on the eye against a premier league team for such long periods of the match, and that warrants questions being asked however uncomfortable on the direction and performances of WBA.

Given the quality of players in the FL personally I don't get why so many managers still go for journeymen, big money Europeans, and sell all their youth assets, when you could buy players 2 years before they are ready and loan them to the championship to get them ready - look at Jamie Vardy, Rondon look a joke for a 26 year old, at least ours have only played a handful of matches with their whole career ahead of them.

Cutting I know, but I'm trying to help some of your fans take the victim blinkers off.

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« Reply #848 on: February 11, 2016, 04:22:18 PM »
All decent players but there is a reason they are playing at a level or several levels below the Prem.

Samuelson and Forrester do look good though

Kemar Roofe was released by us...as he wasn't good enough

Paul Caddis??? errr I don't think so

OK, he looked OK at Huddersfield

Roofe wasn't good enough, we'll see where he is in a few years. Jamie Vardy playing at a nobody club, I suppose he isn't good enough either.

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« Reply #849 on: February 11, 2016, 04:24:53 PM »
Remember you were playing a team who just lost their main goal threat, and a new signing who was cuptied. Couilthirst had only played about three games for the Posh having been there less than three weeks, and Angol hasn't scored in months, and was in and out of the squad. Couilthirst was not that great last night either. The player who came on Coulibaly I fear his career at posh is now over being behind Angol, Nichols, Couilthirst and probably Nabi and Samuelson in a more advanced position when up to speed

Had you been playing against Washington, or against us with those players 4 months down the line - I think we'd have won, as it was we looked a bit blunt and inexperienced up front. It is easy to talk about how you got through, and you had a patched up side, but so did posh - and the most expensive player on the pitch was quite a bit less than £1 mill with addons, Baldwin and Bostwick)

I know the result is technically all that matters on the night, but over the season I fear some of your fans are a bit blinkered when being critical of the inevitable media bias, that posh didn't have a major goal threat is not a reason to think things are OK (and both teams had a make shift defence on display)

If Pulis was at posh we'd have less than 4,000 fans turning up, and almost certain he would have lasted less than 6 months - still if he keeps you in the prem, maybe that's enough, but you can't call conspiracy and bias because you don't like what other people think of the style of play and energy levels.

Personally you don't look like a premier league side, and don't think for a minute we are a top two league one side, because we are top six at best until our front six or so players have developed enough for two to stand out as league one starters on a regular basis.

I read a lot on here about your fans supportive of Pulis not liking the bias, and dismissing any criticism - but sometimes it is warranted even though it hurts. We managed to get a muppet Dave Robertson replaced for the same poor results and non football, where our most skilled players were told they could leave, now they start week in and week out, we score three times more goals and get twice as many points. Players like Boswick looked like some of yours do now, a manager that sucks the life out of the football eventually damages the players will to play, no attacker wants to defend for 90 minutes.

It seems some of the fans on here have some sort of victim mentality, if this style gets you results, then that is all good, but you must understand people are going to be critical, and with context on Posh's also patched up attack and defence - the excuses don't wash when you consider the budgetary differences between the two clubs.

These games are never easy, but there are no circumstances where Posh should have been so easy on the eye against a premier league team for such long periods of the match, and that warrants questions being asked however uncomfortable on the direction and performances of WBA.

Given the quality of players in the FL personally I don't get why so many managers still go for journeymen, big money Europeans, and sell all their youth assets, when you could buy players 2 years before they are ready and loan them to the championship to get them ready - look at Jamie Vardy, Rondon look a joke for a 26 year old, at least ours have only played a handful of matches with their whole career ahead of them.

Cutting I know, but I'm trying to help some of your fans take the victim blinkers off.

Thats hurt reading that.

But so very true.  :(
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