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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New owners - Same old same old

« on: January 30, 2017, 12:15:24 PM »

I wouldn't say 'same old' personally. I would rather us not go in for players in this window if they are going to be ridiculously overpriced and concentrate our efforts on ensuring that come the summer, we have a number of players walking through the door in the first week so they are in place for pre season and we can look toward a particularly good season next season whereby we are competitive in all competitions and have the squad depth we are currently lacking.

I see the likes of Schlupp and van Aanholt moving for £13m in this window and am glad we are not paying those fees for such average footballers.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 20, 2017, 11:28:49 AM »

The point has been completely lost on you 

Original poster links the post and makes a bold statement as if Phillips coming out and being complimentary about Pulis dispels all thoughts anyone may have about 'Pulisball' and negative football. I query that to say that it can hardly be conclusive evidence of this being dispelled as the player who is reliant upon Pulis to pick him every week is hardly going to come out with any derogatory rhetoric about the bloke. That is the only point being made here.

I do wonder why I bother sometimes 

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 20, 2017, 10:56:55 AM »

And why would`nt he criticise the hand that feeds him any man worth his salt will say whatever he deems right not follow another man`s lead, if he believes it wrong he would say so and Phillips gave an honest answer to the question Pulis obviously is telling them to get forward as you can see bye his action`s on the touchline

I believe his desire to receive his appearance fee, goal bonus and other bonuses associated with playing regularly will have some part in his decision making there 

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 20, 2017, 09:35:37 AM »

For what it's worth I do believe Pulis is keen for Phillips and Chadli/McClean or whomever is out wide to get on the ball and drive at defenders, but that wasn't the point I was making, yet again it is a twisting of words to support own agendas and further comments without addressing the points I made from The Pearl Necklace. Hey, if that's how you have to get a 'win' in your eyes then you carry on, I'll stick to debating the actual points made.

The original poster said it was a clear 'dispelling of myths', my point was that Phillips is hardly going to come out and criticise the hand that feeds him, if someone asks him a question of course he is going to be complimentary about TP, it is hardly dispelling any myths.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 20, 2017, 09:31:26 AM »

Welcome. Here's hoping he slots seamlessly in for Fletcher...fat chance sadly.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 20, 2017, 12:46:46 AM »

Some people can't win...

My point being that it hardly dispels any myths now does it. The guy is hardly going to come out and say Pulis is holding me back and stopping me from playing my natural game.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 08:39:15 PM »

Fritzl and you say I`m a moaner listen to yourself a player praises his manager and what do you do but criticise him. In your opinion anything Pulis does is wrong I agree with the black pearl on his opinion of you.

Never said you are a moaner. Quite the opposite in fact, I wish I had your blind faith and optimism as opposed to my realism. Fortunately, your opinion is not one that carries any weight with me in the slightest for fairly obvious reasons.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 08:38:25 PM »

The 'facts' are, we have gone from relegation fodder to 8th in the league, with a squad slowly being enhanced in many ways, dead wood being shifted, during a period when JP would only spend the bare minimum and the great sulk Berahino still skulks around taking up a squad place, pretty impressive I think.

Again, not really anything to do with the initial conversation I was having in the original thread that you decided to wade into. I have my reservations about TP, but at the minute I want him in charge until a better option comes along who will get players to play the style of football I want from us, is he an improvement on the previous incumbent? Of course, though I would likely be a better manager that Irvine. My point was that I would not trust him with a large warchest, hence why the discussion about his signings came up and I still would not, seeing us bid £17m on an average striker like Ighalo only strengthens the point in my mind. There is a whole different market out there that we just will not explore whilst TP is in charge and that is holding us back on the transfer front. The market he wants to deal in happens to be particularly pricey and sees dirge like Schlupp moving for £12m.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 07:02:50 PM »

Only the best 11 can play every week, but every squad has millions of pounds on the bench providing important cover, most costing way more than us, some clubs spend lots more on players who never play and move on.
I don't think anything would change your view, re its set in stone, regardless of the facts.

I could quite easily say the same for you, you support Pulis, I have my reservations about him, both of us will manipulate the facts to our own end for that precise reason. Not quite sure what you are seeking to prove? The fact that Pulis has only been with us for two years and those players I listed have come in and gone out the door, not still 'providing cover' for us, tells the tale.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 07:01:05 PM »

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/868091481?-11200:789:0

Tony pulis gives me attacking freedom.

Oh no , here goes another myth put to bed

Yes, because he is really going to criticise the man who has his selection in his hands on a weekly basis...

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 19, 2017, 05:26:29 PM »

its not directly my money, i can just about cope with 10 million, its ridiculous transfers this day and age. 15 million i would have been spitting feathers. will be interesting to see when he actually starts a game. someone getting injured my thinks

I'm about there too. I can stomach it at £10m, would have preferred closer to £8m but would have been deeply unimpressed at anywhere near the £15m that was banded about at one stage.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 04:45:04 PM »

It has everything to do with not wasting money, because if you do, you will be relegated.

The only real failure is Lambert, that happens, it was a reasonable gamble at the time that did not pay off, most of TP's signings have been good or great value.

As a stick to beat him with, as time goes by, it looks more like a stick of celery.

The fact money may have been recouped does not mean that the signings were not a failure. Did those players listed go on to contribute for us? Ultimately no, ergo they were failed signings.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 03:49:01 PM »

Not too sure what your point is with listing what you perceived to be Pulis' bad signings? Name me a manager who hasn't got a list of who their fans think are bad signings - its part of the game unfortunately some signings just don't come off for whatever reason.

You say he's blown money here but my reckoning the Net transfer cost of those you mention for the Albion is probably 6m over the period of them being at the club - chicken feed in todays Market.

I'm by no means Pulis' biggest fan (more a style thing more than anything not the results) but to hammer him on this is a bit weak in my eyes

I was asked to?

Thanks to it being spread over a number of different threads this is all out of context now, but in the Livermore thread someone was on about Pulis being trustworthy in the transfer market listing 5 'successful' signings he had made for us, I queried that point noting that he has also made an equal list of unsuccessful signings. Nothing to do with money spent etc, I just raised the fact that he has signed players in his short period with us that he has not used and the number of people on that list is higher than his 'successes'.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 19, 2017, 03:15:45 PM »

In the Albion`s transfer plan`s I trust if you think they don`t no about all player`s European and worldwide then you do`nt know how top flight football transfers work They have come up with players they believe will be the right fit for our club Livermore being one of them. I would rather trust a man that deals in football as a living than anyone on on this site including me who does not know how it all works

I don't particularly want to get into a discussion with you as it's fruitless as you will blindly follow what the club say and do regardless and also this is a Livermore thread as opposed to a transfer thread, but you can find a balance. There are players out there that can adapt to this league and be successful in it if you are willing to scout and look for them.

I do not know how top flight football transfers work? Do other clubs not bring in players from abroad and  they go on to be the best players in the league? Bergkamp, Henry et al who had not previously played in this league? There is no point naming players as the list is fairly endless, but looking closer to home, Rondon came in with no experience of the league, has been superb with little or no support, Odemwingie was an inspired signing and an utter bargain, ditto with Mulumbu. You do not have to have played in the Premier League to prove a success over here, but the transfer fee for players outside the Premier League will by and large be a lot lower than buying from this league and particularly in buying British.

We act to our own detriment by not casting the net wider.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 02:55:59 PM »

Ultimately the interpretation will always depend on which side of the fence you sit when it comes to the bloke. It is pointless debating it for that precise reason, but I was asked to provide the list of signings that have not come off for Pulis and I duly provided it, which, value of the players concerned aside, is longer than the successes for what it is worth.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Tony Pulis

« on: January 19, 2017, 02:48:33 PM »

Still waiting for a list of Tony Pulis's failed signings.

Have a Snickers, you turn into a right diva when you're hungry 

The list of his successful signings were detailed as follows "Evans, Fletcher, Chadli, Phillips, Rondon"

In another thread a week or so back I listed those that were unsuccessful off the top of ones head as being "McManaman, Lindegaard, Galloway, Pritchard, Lambert, Chester, Gnabry"

And I threw in a couple of Stoke signings for good measure as they act as a handy barometer of how he has blown money in the past on players that he has failed to utilise. All pertinent.

Tuncay, Edu, Palacios, Arismendi

This is without even researching any other signings he may have dropped the ball on in his time with Stoke.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 19, 2017, 02:43:21 PM »

Alright love, calm down  The staff informed us not to mention anything other than Livermore related news in here.

Listed them in a thread a week or so back, not sure which thread it was now, if you are that desperate have a gander for it using the 'search' facility.

Would not trust a man who is only interested in players who have played in the Premier League with our now apparently significant warchest. He may well go on to purchase players in this and future that he will utilise and who may prove to play well for us, but there is so much better value and choice to be had by casting the net wider. We are, and he is, acting to our detriment by not being more open minded in my most humble of opinions.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 19, 2017, 12:29:00 PM »

Which is the modern version of £6m, which is the 2012 version of £3m back in the "good old days".

£10m is a mid-level amount for a starting midfielder these days at Prem level, despite the fact most of us see it as a larger amount.

For my 2pence, if he's replacing Fletcher then it's a move that'll improve the team and that can only be a good thing.

No chance of Pulis dropping Fletcher. He'll probably play Livermore centre back.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 18, 2017, 09:30:38 PM »

Have you looked at the league table recently? 

Our key players in the team are also players TP signed. Evans, Fletcher, Chadli, Phillips, Rondon

Aye, but there is an even longer list of failed signings during his time here...

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 18, 2017, 09:23:38 PM »

I say go for it if it's a player Pulis believes will improve us. You lot need to trust TP more that's what I say.

And why do we need to do that exactly?

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 18, 2017, 05:17:13 PM »

Couldn't we get Camacho for 15 million?

Not played in the Premier League as yet so I don't see Pulis being overly interested. Rondon was the exception but that landed in our lap really.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Allan Nyom joins Albion

« on: January 18, 2017, 01:15:59 PM »

I love how the wider press do not deem this as the Cameroon issue, so as to include all affected, they call it 'the Matip issue' as though Liverpool are the only ones affected 

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 18, 2017, 01:13:26 PM »

I would hope our limit would be the £10m and we move on if they are not accepting that.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 18, 2017, 11:56:29 AM »

Decent post, but I disagree with a few points and find them a bit condescending.

1) I don't play football manager or use them to form my opinion of players
2) Not sure you have to have kicked a ball to form an opinion on the team
3) Agreed we all have differing ideas, but doesn't mean they are wrong just because we aren't 'skilled trained coaches'
4) I think the worry is if we start throwing money around carelessly and end up paying the price for it. I mean potentially breaking transfer records on players that some think are good replacements for our backup centre midfielder can't be sustainable in the long run - look at Portsmouth et al.
5) Of course we want to get the highest price for our players and pay the lowest for new ones.. Would you suggest giving players away for free and paying £50 million for every signing?
6) Haven't really seen any ITK info on this thread or others
7) I wouldn't consider him worth twice the amount as when he left Spurs, regardless of inflated prices
Agree there were some (rightful) doubts on some of the unknown signings. Some have gone on to prove themselves, some haven't, as is life.
9) We will never finish above 7th unless we change our mentality, starting with the fans. If we settle for mid table every year that's all we will ever be. I don't think it's a bad thing to dream or have ambitions.
10) Not sure that's true. Think the rumours are just discussed and debated. Heaven forbid this happens on a forum.

So I don't agree with most points, but that's just me. We're all entitled to an opinion and it's getting a bit boring seeing loads of posts in every thread slagging other people off for debating and sharing their opinion. I mean what has any of this got to do with Jake Livermore..

Spot on for the most part.

Whilst 'darby' and other such posters are sick of people looking beyond the veil when it comes to names we are linked with, the fees involved and general matters concerning the club, I am personally sick of people criticising those for questioning such issues.

I fail to see the problem, on a forum, with people debating the merits of any deal or any other club issue. Why does this place exist if not to express opinions? If we all blindly followed everything that anyone holding power did then what sort of a world would we live in? I would like to think we all have the best interests of the club at heart and express our opinions with that in mind, with my personal opinions often being that I do not want my club to be ripped off in the transfer market, which £15m on players like Livermore and Schlupp sadly would be.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Jake Livermore

« on: January 18, 2017, 11:31:44 AM »

The reason that Hull can get more Livermore than Snodgrass is the length of contract I think Hull triggered an extension of only 6 months on Snodgrass giving him a shorter shelf life than Livermore.I personally prefere Livermore great engine good passer and tackler Snodgrass is good but a luxury player

A 'luxury' player is exactly the sort that we require to go along with our generally hard working squad. Make no mistake though, Snodgrass is a true Scot, he puts in a shift.