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https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1221803110412230657
Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
West Brom. Moving in for Callum Robinson at Sheff U. Striker with pace they want. More online shortly.
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https://twitter.com/JosephMasi_Star/status/1221807049228587009
Joseph Masi
@JosephMasi_Star
Reports linking Albion with a move for Callum Robinson. I understand there is definitely something in it. Looks to be one of the three players on Bilic's shortlist for attacking reinforcements. Boss still wants two before the deadline. #wba
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https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1221803110412230657
Alan Nixon
@reluctantnicko
West Brom. Moving in for Callum Robinson at Sheff U. Striker with pace they want. More online shortly.
Underwhelming
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Underwhelming
Proven stand out champ midfielder
Get off high horse
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Underwhelming
FFS here we go again, cant please some folk can you! If he had a foreign name that you have never heard of would that be better????
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Underwhelming
Why?
Hes very good at this level. We need some pace upfront and someone who can finish....he fits the bill. Call him Robinsinho and you would probably find him overwhelming
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He's 24 so you could say that last year he started fulfilling his potential. Struggled for minutes this year so he maybe has something to prove. Wonder if this would be a loan or permanent signing.
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FFS here we go again, cant please some folk can you! If he had a foreign name that you have never heard of would that be better????
Exactly, if his name was Cal De Roberto then everyone would be buzzing. Laughable ;D
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Why?
Hes very good at this level. We need some pace upfront and someone who can finish....he fits the bill. Call him Robinsinho and you would probably find him overwhelming
Unreal ain't it.
P.s I think Robinson more a midfielder than a striker ?
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Robinson was superb for Preston, would welcome him with open arms...and a couple more.
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Joseph Masi Twitter Account
"Reports linking Albion with a move for Callum Robinson. I understand there is definitely something in it. Looks to be one of the three players on Bilic's shortlist for attacking reinforcements. Boss still wants two before the deadline."
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Joseph Masi Twitter Account
"Reports linking Albion with a move for Callum Robinson. I understand there is definitely something in it. Looks to be one of the three players on Bilic's shortlist for attacking reinforcements. Boss still wants two before the deadline."
What's his position? Nixon refers to him as striker with pace but some seem to think he's a midfielder? Can't say I remember him at all from last season.
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As there are now numerous rumors linking us the Callum Robinson, I thought I'd start a thread
Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/01/27/west-brom-keen-on-callum-robinson-loan/
Source: https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/championship-promotion-chasers-west-bromwich-albion-line-bid-sheffield-uniteds-callum-robinson-reports-1376841
Source: https://the72.co.uk/155751/west-brom-eyeing-a-move-for-sheffield-united-striker-callum-robinson/
Bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callum_Robinson
Alan Nixon Twitter Account: "West Brom. Moving in for Callum Robinson at Sheff U. Striker with pace they want. More online shortly."
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What's his position? Nixon refers to him as striker with pace but some seem to think he's a midfielder? Can't say I remember him at all from last season.
He's a striker who doesn't score any goals, which is why you can't remember him, should fit in well! He's played 130 championship games so far and scored 31 goals which is an average of 11 goals per season. We tried to sign him in July, he turned us down and signed for Sheff Utd. Now they are getting rid after six months. He's never scored more than 12 in a season - I wish we'd stop going after these mediocre strikers.
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He's a striker who doesn't score any goals, which is why you can't remember him, should fit in well! He's played 130 championship games so far and scored 31 goals which is an average of 11 goals per season. We tried to sign him in July, he turned us down and signed for Sheff Utd. Now they are getting rid after six months. He's never scored more than 12 in a season - I wish we'd stop going after these mediocre strikers.
Forward
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Wrong forum :o
I got excited then...
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Wrong forum :o
I got excited then...
Opps, perhaps one of the Mods would relocate to the appropriate location please
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Hardly exciting.
42 in 181 appearances and hardly prolific in the championship.
was hoping for something more proven with a promotion on the line and us in a good position.
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Hardly exciting.
42 in 181 appearances and hardly prolific in the championship.
was hoping for something more proven with a promotion on the line and us in a good position.
As everyone was raving about J-Rod the other day...Robinson scored as many from open play as J-Rod did last season from 20 fewer games ;D
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As everyone was raving about J-Rod the other day...Robinson scored as many from open play as J-Rod did last season from 20 fewer games ;D
Yes, yes, we know all that, but is he as nice a bloke as JRod and has he got a ponytail? :D
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Joseph Masi Twitter Account
"I'd love Robinson to sign. And then Orsic because so many people want him. Then Bilic to say they are done. That is the dream!"
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Joseph Masi Twitter Account
"I'd love Robinson to sign. And then Orsic because so many people want him. Then Bilic to say they are done. That is the dream!"
The dream would be to then also bring in a left back and another winger...
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Sheff Utd fans had a chuckle at the reference to "a striker with pace". Not quite how they view him.
If we sign him as on a permanent deal, it feels like a mistake, but as a short term loan move it's probably a fairly solid signing. Not 100% sure he offers a huge upgrade on Kanu/Austin/Zohore but maybe worth a shot and better than him going to a rival I suppose.
What I would say though is that Robinson alone isn't enough to improve us in a big way. Robinson and a different style of attacking player however would give us more options.
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I genuinely think Bilic puts more stock into a striker who can hold the ball up and bring the supporting cast into the game rather than a goal scorer, ideally you want a striker who can do both but those cost £25 million.
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I genuinely think Bilic puts more stock into a striker who can hold the ball up and bring the supporting cast into the game rather than a goal scorer, ideally you want a striker who can do both but those cost £25 million.
He does , all about midfielders for Bilic .
As long as he wants Robinson and not someone else at the club I'm fine with it.
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Seen a fair bit of Robinson with Ireland, definitely a forward rather than an out and out striker but decent player nonetheless.
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Got enough striker's at the club who aren't that reliable in putting ball in back of net, Dowling not doing it for me on recruitment front.
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Scored 13 in 28 for Preston last year which isn’t too bad to say he played out wide and number 10 role as well. we were told we were signing players for and not next season if we get promoted. Let’s get behind him if he comes on loan he will have a point to prove.
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Utterly perplexed why people are underwhelmed by the Robinson link who exactly were you expecting? He is most definitely a winger did most of his best work on the left of a Preston 4-2-3-1. I would query why we are bringing another right footed wide player when we have Edwards and Phillips however at this point in time probably one of the few realistic options that are available.
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Utterly perplexed why people are underwhelmed by the Robinson link who exactly were you expecting? He is most definitely a winger did most of his best work on the left of a Preston 4-2-3-1. I would query why we are bringing another right footed wide player when we have Edwards and Phillips however at this point in time probably one of the few realistic options that are available.
He's not that good that's why. Bilic has previously stated the need to bring in QUALITY, correctly.
Orsic or Robinson is a no brainer ability wise if you compare the two.
Robinson is just another of the same sort of level we have already.
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He's being lined up to play as a left winger for me. Good player but not the lightning quick type I was led to believe we were after. Definitely not someone I could see thriving as a lone striker, and I don't think he'd be any better than what we have in the striker position.
Another reason I think he's the the preferred winger target is that I think Orsic would be signed by now if he was our first choice as that deal looks a pretty straight forward one to me. Then I'd have to assume the other target is an out-and-out striker.
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He's not that good that's why. Bilic has previously stated the need to bring in QUALITY, correctly.
Orsic or Robinson is a no brainer ability wise if you compare the two.
Robinson is just another of the same sort of level we have already.
How is Orsic another level? Based on a couple of decent games in the champions league? A player of real quality wouldn’t be only attracting championship interest at 27 years of age and only played on Croatia and China in his career if he was another level in my opinion.
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How is Orsic another level? Based on a couple of decent games in the champions league? A player of real quality wouldn’t be only attracting championship interest at 27 years of age and only played on Croatia and China in his career if he was another level in my opinion.
Sheff Utd obviously don't think Robinson's Premiership quality. Could he perform at Champions League level and score several times?
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I remember him from Preston away last season. Played really well in that game. Depends on fee etc but he’s useful.
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Masi reporting this ones close and he was at the training ground today
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Sheff Utd obviously don't think Robinson's Premiership quality. Could he perform at Champions League level and score several times?
Who knows? Orsic until last year no one had heard of or would be remotely interested in. Just takes the right club at the right time for a players career to lift off. Robinson had just over 1 in 2 record in the championship last season as good as Gayle and Rodriguez while playing out wide or behind the striker, he’s only 24 deserves a chance
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We really need a fast striker!!
Don’t worry too much about whether they can score plenty of goals, a striker with a quick sprint is what we need to break some of these teams down. When we break we take too long to get into dangerous positions in the opponents half. Too many times I’ve seen the movement break down because we don’t have the speed in a striker. Before you know it 10 bodies are back and we’re either passing the ball backwards or around the edge of penalty area attempting to break the team down.
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Transfer update. Albion are closing in on Callum Robinson with the player at the club's training ground today. There's still interest in Mislav Orsic but Bilic also keen on another forward. Palace also ready to bid for Ferguson. Details here: https://t.co/q0OS9Vla7L #wba
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Looked a good player at Preston and was a no brainer for him to choose PL over us in the summer. Sheff Utd have a particular type of forward/striker and I can't think he's suited to the system.
Will be a decent signing imo.
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There were a lot of good reports about his progression when he was at the Vile and quite a few of theirs were sorry to see him go without really being given a chance to prove himself at first team level. Was firing on all cylinders down the left and very effective cutting inside for Preston last season. Plenty of pace too.
Then he missed I think it was eighteen games on the trot due to a hamstring injury and was then used sparingly until the season's end. If Sheff Utd supporters are genuinely reporting he lacks pace since his arrival they're either taking the mick or there may be underlying physical or confidence issues.
If he's been at the training ground as suggested in reports I'm hoping it's for an extensive medical lasting a few days. Without wanting to be a voice of doom before/if he even signs I'm also hoping we've leased an extra hydropool. Just in case.
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Will be confirmed tomorrow...
Who’s next ?
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Definitely NOT a striker he is coming on loan so no long term commitment he is probably better than Phillips and reading between the lines we are concerned about Diangana's fitness which makes this a little bit more logical would be even better were he left footed.
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Plays on the other side to Phillips. As posted when linked to Orsic, if he signs I think this could mean Diangana swapping sides with Phillips more often given the right is Grady's preferred side. Good to have players who can swap sides as with Phillips and Edwards.
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As Standaman has often said, when you have inverted wingers it's far more effective when they both are so Robinson left and Diangana right makes a lot of sense, in more of a 4213 formation with Perieria advanced from any 2 DMs.
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Done deal according to Twitter.
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Pretty happy with this. Good age range, loan deal so we can run the rule over him before committing. Used to the rigours of English football His scoring record in the champ in perfectly respectable despite what some on here say. Its exactly the sort of deal we should be pursuing.
The howling from some of the younger supporters just because his FIFA rating isn't like Messi's is ridiculous.
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Is it loan with agreement to buy? Six million being quoted anyone?
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SB wants what I call slick clever players who can control the ball and are fast,this guy fits his bill to a tee.
Good signing good age will fit in well.
Happy first signing.
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Pretty happy with this. Good age range, loan deal so we can run the rule over him before committing. Used to the rigours of English football His scoring record in the champ in perfectly respectable despite what some on here say. Its exactly the sort of deal we should be pursuing.
The howling from some of the younger supporters just because his FIFA rating isn't like Messi's is ridiculous.
Ok, boomer. 😂 A solid signing, hopefully more to come.
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I wish I was a boomer, my mortgage would be paid, my pension would be secure and my only issue would be when my blue passport coming. ;D
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even if he plays on the left of a 4-2-3-1 we dont need him?
signed diangana and edwards as another option, whats the point of signing robinson??
we need an out and out striker !!!!
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Diangana is inured. Edwards isn't quite up to it. We need someone to help fill the gap and maybe fill Diangana's boots next season.
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Diangana is inured. Edwards isn't quite up to it. We need someone to help fill the gap and maybe fill Diangana's boots next season.
Plus...Philips is hardly setting the world alight.
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At £6million, that is a great bit of business, almost a goal every other game in his last championship season
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A little underwhelming but if we could have taken him on loan 6 months ago he would have been seen as a good signing.
In June he would have been a decent Preston sides, best player. Its obviously not worked out for him at Shef U and perhaps the championship is his level but he should gives us something extra. Just hope he isn't another Jacob Murphy as the United fans suggest he doesn't like mixing it!
Hopefully its a loan with an option to buy, not an obligation.
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I might be in the minority (based on social media anyway) but I'm really not fussed about Orsic. I'd rather have a safe and steady proven youngster such as Robinson and a pop at Bowen than a gamble on a 27 y/o with an average record. I actually think Robinsons a pretty shrewd signing given his record and age if we can get an option to buy at the end.
As not a penny of it is my money I would like us to sign all the players we are linked with and have some options all over the place, some will work out some wont. Some players suit formations and style of play better than others, Pukki was snapped up on a free by Norwich as a 'nobody', he aint done too bad! Crack on Albion.......
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I might be in the minority (based on social media anyway) but I'm really not fussed about Orsic. I'd rather have a safe and steady proven youngster such as Robinson and a pop at Bowen than a gamble on a 27 y/o with an average record. I actually think Robinsons a pretty shrewd signing given his record and age if we can get an option to buy at the end.
I’m with you on this I think Robinson is the more sensible solution, He’s a solid championship player which we need for the next 6 months to get us up & if we keep him becomes a solid squad player in the prem who gives us an option from the bench. Buying the likes of Orsic really needs to happen early in the summer transfer window as it gives them a full pre-season to get used to the environment, pace of the league etc. Lets not forget these guys are human beings to uproot you & your families life to another country is extremely disruptive, to be expected to do that and come into a new environment and hit the ground running is a massive ask.
Give me Robinson for 6 months & if successful Bowen in the summer over Orsic everyday of the week.
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Joseph Masi Twitter Account
"Transfer update. Albion are closing in on Callum Robinson with the player at the club's training ground today. There's still interest in Mislav Orsic but Bilic also keen on another forward."
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If you find this underwhelming.....you may never be whelmed !!! ;D
Good age and proven in THIS division with a decent scoring record, plus somebody at Sheff Utd also saw enough in him to take him to the PL. Loan or loan to permanent most likely, so keeps the money in the bank for Bilic's main target (we very rarely give any indication of who we are really after). He's also played 16 games this season, so shouldn't be coming with zero match fitness as other loans in the past.
Plus unlike last year we are not desperately trying to find a replacement for Barnes, who was irreplaceable, this is just a squad addition. Edwards is three years behind in his development on Robinson, and i'm sure Billic see's him as an impact sub.
I'll take that, thank you very much.
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CR having his medical at moment so might get announced tonight.
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CR having his medical at moment so might get announced tonight.
I don't doubt you Gazberg but how do you know that?
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Was on the Athletic sorry.
I'm not at all ITK sadly.
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Sounds like we are going to get this one over the line. As long as it's a loan move i'm happy enough. It's not neceserily a season defining signing in the way Barnes/Gayle felt like last year, but Robinson does have the ability to play up front, behind the front man or possibly as a wide forward/winger (probably more in the role Phillips deploys in for us rather than an out and out winger like Diangana).
He has an ok goal scoring record at this level and will provide competition/options to our forward plays, as well as a boost for the Luton game.
I think i'd have been very happy had this been a signing we made in the summer (in place of Zohore for instance), but if it were permanent now then it would potentially be a bit short sighted.
It definitely feels like a sensible transfer, even if it does slightly lack imagination. Possibly not a bad thing mid season though.
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Happy with this as a loan deal. Lad has a proven record at this level and his versatility will keep everyone on their toes.
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CR having his medical at moment so might get announced tonight.
I think they may well wait until tomorrow before any announcement, as it might be a bit of a distraction to tonight's build up to the game,but don't hold me to it ;D
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YEs i would say you are right. Forgot there was a game on tonight at time of posting.
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Apparently seen scaling a wall near to Walsall Rd and running up the M6 around 9:55pm.....
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Apparently seen scaling a wall near to Walsall Rd and running up the M6 around 9:55pm.....
...and passed by Hilton Park about midnight. That’s one hell of a fitness test.
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Official now
https://twitter.com/wba/status/1222444570404904960?s=21
"Callum Robinson today joins Albion on loan from Sheffield United until the end of the season.
The 24-year-old arrives at The Hawthorns having made 16 Premier League appearances this campaign, notably netting at Stamford Bridge as the Blades came from two goals down to earn a draw.
A Republic of Ireland international, Callum played regular Sky Bet Championship football for Preston North End in his three permanent seasons at Deepdale, before making the move to Bramall Lane in the summer.
A versatile forward who has been capped for his country on 12 occasions, Robinson came through Aston Villa’s academy before loan spells at Preston, Bristol City, and a second stint with the Lilywhites, helped earn him a permanent deal in Lancashire."
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Glad we've got one over the line. Hopefully he can give us a lift going into the weekends game and help us stop the rot. 3 points are so badly needed.
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I dont think he will be a bad loan signing.
Just hope he gets supported being ex-Villa
Pace and can finish, something weve been lacking upfront
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Welcome to the club Callum! Needed you yesterday..
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Some more from the Yorkshire Post
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/sheffield-united-striker-callum-robinson-completes-loan-move-to-west-brom-1-10226488
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Glad to see someone through the door to hopefully ensure we do not start Edwards again any time soon.
Need more.
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First of of at least 3 hopefully.
Welcome to the club Callum.
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Don't really know anything about him, don't remember him from last seasons games with Preston at all. Can he play across the front 3 or is he more left sided? Was wondering whether he could replace Philips once Diangana is fit again.
Hopefully can provide a spark wide left where we need it.
Be interesting to see how he works with Pereira (once his ban is up).
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Good record at this level and I believe he can play across all. 3.
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Good scoring record in championship.
Welcome Callum!
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Thank god we have someone in. He can't be any worse than what we've got.
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Thank god we have someone in. He can't be any worse than what we've got.
any worse than what weve got.
we are 2nd in the table.
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I live in Ireland now and the lads here reckon if he is fit and ready to go He's quite a good player. Likes to run at people and can play wise and cut inside, has a bit of pace about him. Think it's a good loan move.
Might be what we need.
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any worse than what weve got.
we are 2nd in the table.
at the moment.
The second spot is only masking our frailties, we need help.
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any worse than what weve got.
we are 2nd in the table.
I see your point, but Zohore, Austin and HRK are all lacking. Austin is still my pick of those though.
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I like the Robinson deal as it's a loan. I wouldn't be happy buying him permanently as I don't want us lumbering ourselves with players not good enough for the Premier League should we get there (it is still possible).
Robinson's record in the Championship is good though and he is an ideal loan till the end of the season.
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check out his goals highlights from that last season with Preston (when he scored against us at home). I thought it would be shots of a wide player scoring after cutting in, but lots of tap ins and smart finishes. COULD BE just what we need coming in under the radar.
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even if he plays on the left of a 4-2-3-1 we dont need him?
signed diangana and edwards as another option, whats the point of signing robinson??
we need an out and out striker !!!!
Totally respect your opinion of course. Mine however is that you will be proved wrong about this lad. Time will tell.
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check out his goals highlights from that last season with Preston (when he scored against us at home). I thought it would be shots of a wide player scoring after cutting in, but lots of tap ins and smart finishes. COULD BE just what we need coming in under the radar.
I saw a video of all his goals from 18/19. It does also show why he wont make it in the premiership as a goalscorer. It suggested on the Sheffield United forum suggest they've tried using him as the main striker, which could go some way to explaining why it hasn't worked out.
A lot of his goals were from situations typical of the championship and lower league, but are few and far between in the premiership.
Decent signing on loan without an obligation.
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Hope you've bought your scoring boots Callum.
Good luck son
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Decent little piece in the E&S with Luke Hatfield (does that bloke ever take a day off?). Interview with their counterpart in South Yorkshire media discussing Robinson.
Journalist there describes him as having a great pre season but a difficult time since August. Good technical player, but lacks the pace to suit Wilder's style, but he has contributed from the bench with assists. Interesting to note the point on pace as this was supposed to be one of his plusses and yet all of the noises from Sheffield seem to be saying he really isn't quick at all and his skills lie in his ability with the ball.
Hopefully his versatility allows us to play him in a couple of positions.
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Irish Baggie here. He's been involved in the last few games for us under Mick McCarthy and was truly woeful in a few of those games.
Hopefully he shows us he is better than that.
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Irish Baggie here. He's been involved in the last few games for us under Mick McCarthy and was truly woeful in a few of those games.
Hopefully he shows us he is better than that.
Good to know Johnny, thanks for that😆
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Played well today and gave us the threat we have been missing down the left since GD got injured. Would have been better if we had signed him at the start of Jan instead at the end.
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Pleased by the early reports from family at the game and online reports. Seems to have worked well with HRK when he came on. I hope he grows into our side and helps get us back to the form we need for promotion.
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Breath of fresh air today.
Gave us another dimension and a constant threat, could tell he was eager to score.
Once Diangana and Pereira are back, and the introduction of Gros, it gives us a real attacking threat and gives the opposition several things to think about.
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Pleased by the early reports from family at the game and online reports. Seems to have worked well with HRK when he came on. I hope he grows into our side and helps get us back to the form we need for promotion.
He linked really nicely with Krovinovic - lots of one twos.
It was actually his desire and determination on and off the ball that really stood out for me. We've had some loan signings over the years that simply have not done that.
A good start. More of the same at Millwall please, Callum.
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He would make a great defensive midfielder with the amount of interceptions he made today.
Ethic without the ball was equally as good as his qualities with it.
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Played well today and gave us the threat we have been missing down the left since GD got injured. Would have been better if we had signed him at the start of Jan instead at the end.
To the back of the class young man & stop making sensibule suggestion's you should know better Albion only buy players in the last days of any window. :)
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Would have been better if we had signed him at the start of Jan instead at the end.
I think the FA Cup hinders attempts to sign PL fringe players, the PL club wants to hang on to them to get through 4th and 5th rounds.
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What a breath of fresh air :D Absolute steal to get him on loan for the rest of the season.
He has pace to burn,,,great ball control and scares the life out of defenders when he runs at them.
I personally would like to see him upfront as a "striker" he would score plenty in that position.
A few comments made are that that he is "greedy" and won't look for a player in a better position. I disagree, all good players need to be a bit selfish and have the confidence to finish a move.
I think when Grady is back on the left, Matheus playing the number 10 with Krov beside him and Grosicki on the right we will be unstoppable.
That attack would be good enough in the "Prem" ;D ;D ;D
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Very good attacking player at this level. I like his directness. Will happily run at players and have a pop. Great addition to squad.
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What a breath of fresh air :D Absolute steal to get him on loan for the rest of the season.
He has pace to burn,,,great ball control and scares the life out of defenders when he runs at them.
I personally would like to see him upfront as a "striker" he would score plenty in that position.
A few comments made are that that he is "greedy" and won't look for a player in a better position. I disagree, all good players need to be a bit selfish and have the confidence to finish a move.
I think when Grady is back on the left, Matheus playing the number 10 with Krov beside him and Grosicki on the right we will be unstoppable.
That attack would be good enough in the "Prem" ;D ;D ;D
Desperate for us to go 2-0 up on someone ,I think we would then play some wonderful stuff and go on to get 5/6
It’s coming
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Excellent signing already, as I'm Grosicki will be in time. Really gets us forward quickly with his direst play and brings the best out of our attacking players - also loves a shot !
Be interesting when Grady's also back in the mix.
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Would like to see him play up top with Diangana on the left. Be nice to have a mobile attacker with pace up there and he certainly seems a willing runner.
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He was really geeing up the crowd in the East Stand on Saturday. Clearly loving the match, as were we... just a pity we didn't quite get it over the line.
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Would like to see him play up top with Diangana on the left. Be nice to have a mobile attacker with pace up there and he certainly seems a willing runner.
I think this would be an excellent option, especially at home.
I didn't know much about him before we signed him on loan, but I've been mightily impressed. He has good pace, intelligent movement and an eye for goal judging by what we've seen so far.
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Hopefully he will get the game time in. Looks like he could be the answer to our main goal threat problem.
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Yes, he is a real goal threat, scored two on Saturday, shame that poor officials (again) ruled out the second.
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If we were to sign him,I know we tried to last season, what would he cost?
I love players who are direct and look to score,isn't that what the game is all about?
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If we were to sign him,I know we tried to last season, what would he cost?
I love players who are direct and look to score,isn't that what the game is all about?
Probably about £10m, maybe a bit more with add-ons. Similar to what Sheff Utd paid for him given he's barely kicked a ball in the Prem. The player will be pushing for a move as well as you can see he's desperate to play.
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Somebody hasn't checked the amount of appearances and game time Callum Robinson has had with Sheffield United this season ;) .
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Trouble is, will Sheffield United let him go if he is outstanding for us.
It couldn’t be the same situation we had with Harvey Barnes - we develop the played and bring his game on only for the parent club to say “Thank you very much but he’s coming back nowâ€
It’s all very well and good but I’m not too keen on these loan players for that very reason. A season loan with an option to buy is another matter.
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Trouble is, will Sheffield United let him go if he is outstanding for us.
It couldn’t be the same situation we had with Harvey Barnes - we develop the played and bring his game on only for the parent club to say “Thank you very much but he’s coming back nowâ€
It’s all very well and good but I’m not too keen on these loan players for that very reason. A season loan with an option to buy is another matter.
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I know you mightn't like it.... BUT isn't this really what the loan market is best for..
so what about the players we have loaned out? should they also have option to buy clauses too?
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Think Robinson has been a good addition for us but I really don't get the massive love in with him already.
Yes he is direct but also very greedy and in my eyes was more responsible than Bartley and Johnstone for us dropping the two points against Forest.
Second half there were a couple of times where he had better options on but choose to shoot and ultimately not getting the third cost us.
Also his failure to get to the second ball after Bartley's clearing header he was out muscled by Watson allowed Forest to get their second.
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To be fair, we've definitely been instructed to shoot on sight more these past few games. We can't complain about too much tippy-tappy around the edge of the box and then complain that he's also taking the shot on. If it's the incident I'm thinking of it was certainly no tap in if he'd laid it off, and he had as good a chance as scoring as anyone from here he shot. It was just unfortunate that he put it over.
And I won't blame him for being out muscled by Watson. That's obviously going to happen.
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Think Robinson has been a good addition for us but I really don't get the massive love in with him already.
Yes he is direct but also very greedy and in my eyes was more responsible than Bartley and Johnstone for us dropping the two points against Forest.
Second half there were a couple of times where he had better options on but choose to shoot and ultimately not getting the third cost us.
Also his failure to get to the second ball after Bartley's clearing header he was out muscled by Watson allowed Forest to get their second.
I think that's harsh in the extreme, but that's opinions for you!
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For me, its where our season went wrong last year failing to adequalty replace Barnes. This year Diagana is going to struggle to get back in the team with these performances Robinson is putting in. His bought a freshness and desire t the side that has been missing over Christmas.
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For me, its where our season went wrong last year failing to adequalty replace Barnes. This year Diagana is going to struggle to get back in the team with these performances Robinson is putting in. His bought a freshness and desire t the side that has been missing over Christmas.
Diangana is our most important player, he'll be straight back in when fit.
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Diangana is our most important player, he'll be straight back in when fit.
You may well be right but at least with the form Robinson has shown so far there's no rush to get Diangana in.
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You may well be right but at least with the form Robinson has shown so far there's no rush to get Diangana in.
Robinson has been top draw, but Diangana is next level. I think Bilic will get them both in with Robinson going up top.
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Robinson has been top draw, but Diangana is next level. I think Bilic will get them both in with Robinson going up top.
I think that would be the best use of them both.
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Either way, it's a nice problem to have.
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I think that would be the best use of them both.
I don't think HRK is now offering enough and Bilic for whatever reason doesn't fancy Austin from the start so Robinson up top when Diangana is fit seems the best way forward.
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I don't really care who plays - as long as we win ;D
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Of course with Diangana back; it could also offer us another dynamic bench option on the hour mark is Slaven plans to use him or reintroduce him in that manner.
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Of course with Diangana back; it could also offer us another dynamic bench option on the hour mark is Slaven plans to use him or reintroduce him in that manner.
This is his general method isn't it, use attacking subs to change the angles/movement/threat
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Of course with Diangana back; it could also offer us another dynamic bench option on the hour mark is Slaven plans to use him or reintroduce him in that manner.
we also have Phillips, Grosicki and even Edwards as options of the bench. As others have said, it's a nice problem to have.
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Diangana is our most important player, he'll be straight back in when fit.
No he shouldnt just like Gibbs he must keep training hard & be ready for his oppertunity.
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If we do get promoted, I wouldn’t want us to sign Callum.
He’s done OK for us and I understand I’m probably in the minority, but we need a goal scorer and he isn’t it.
If he were, he’d be playing for Sheffield United in the Premier League.
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Good player sign him for £5 million
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I’d sooner sign Dwight Gayle for that sort of money
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I'd sooner sign both for that sort of money ;D
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If we do get promoted, I wouldn’t want us to sign Callum.
He’s done OK for us and I understand I’m probably in the minority, but we need a goal scorer and he isn’t it.
If he were, he’d be playing for Sheffield United in the Premier League.
I agree he is alright at this level but ain't good enough if we go up. Budget will go on periera and possibly krovonovic. And a striker or 2.
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I think he'd be a good squad player/impact sub in the Prem if not a regular starter, he's got a little bit of something extra in terms of skill and unpredictability
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I think he'd be a good squad player/impact sub in the Prem if not a regular starter, he's got a little bit of something extra in terms of skill and unpredictability
I tend to agree with you. He's got a bit about him and bear in mind it's most likely Diangana will be gone. He seems more of a wide forward option.
We would then have Robinson, Grosicki, Phillips, Edwards so as someone else would point out...we need a left footed wide man. In fact that may be the only argument against signing Robinson as the money could be targeted to TWO left-footers.
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Mcburnie, mcgoldrick,Sharp is not a strike force to make prem teams tremble despite Sheffield’s good season and Robinson is below them in the pecking order. I may sign him but other options would need to be thoroughly explored as I don’t see him scoring enough goals to guarantee Prem survival should we get promoted
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The only reason to not sign someone like Robinson is if we're going to sign better. I hope that's the case but it'll cost and I can't see us paying it.
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Mcburnie, mcgoldrick,Sharp is not a strike force to make prem teams tremble despite Sheffield’s good season and Robinson is below them in the pecking order. I may sign him but other options would need to be thoroughly explored as I don’t see him scoring enough goals to guarantee Prem survival should we get promoted
If we were buying him as a main striker I'd agree but I think we would be buying him as an upgrade on Matt Phillips. I think given a full season in the PL he could manage about 6 goals which is more than Phillips has managed.
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Robinson is a wide forward at his most effective cutting in from the left. This is a role that Sheffield United don't seem to use. As such I have no idea why they bought him or indeed why Chris Wilder seems to be of the opinion that he has a future at the club.
If Bilic continues with a 4-3-3 we could do a lot worse. However until we reduce our squad depth in this area we won't be signing anyone.
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Somewhere in our squad isn't there a need for a genuinely orthodox right winger who is also willing and able to get back and help the right back when the latter is outnumbered?
... or is that Edwards?
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Somewhere in our squad isn't there a need for a genuinely orthodox right winger who is also willing and able to get back and help the right back when the latter is outnumbered?
... or is that Edwards?
Roles on the pitch evolve and at the point the orthodox winger is looking more and more of a throwback. However it really depends on how a coach wants to set up his team, in Bilic's case he tends to favour inverted wingers in both his 4-3-3 and
4-2-3-1. The surprise was that he went with a more "traditional" set up in the first half of the season.
There really is little or no point of having players in the squad who don't fit the Head Coach's basic tactical blueprint. The players either don't play at all or play in positions they are less than comfortable with.
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True but on some occasions in a match you need someone to get to the by-line and with the outside peg send an outswinging ball over to his incoming team mates. I think that this is what we've been missing when playing teams mounting a mess defence like B'ham and Stoke.
Whatever the manager's favoured tactics are, there is a need for variation if they're not working.
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True but on some occasions in a match you need someone to get to the by-line and with the outside peg send an outswinging ball over to his incoming team mates. I think that this is what we've been missing when playing teams mounting a mess defence like B'ham and Stoke.
Whatever the manager's favoured tactics are, there is a need for variation if they're not working.
thats simply a case of wingers swapping over isn't it ? This happens in most successful teams, not in a pulis side though
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thats simply a case of wingers swapping over isn't it ? This happens in most successful teams, not in a pulis side though
Not really. A right footed playing on the right can whip a cross in from the by-line. If he swaps to the left, he has to cut back, and deliver an inward cross, or shoot.
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Robinson is a wide forward at his most effective cutting in from the left. This is a role that Sheffield United don't seem to use. As such I have no idea why they bought him or indeed why Chris Wilder seems to be of the opinion that he has a future at the club.
If Bilic continues with a 4-3-3 we could do a lot worse. However until we reduce our squad depth in this area we won't be signing anyone.
Wilder wouldn’t say that’s he is surplus would he?
That would be 2m off the price straight away.
I really am 50/50 on whether I’d sign him(or if that position is priority)
We need a 9
We really need a box to box
We are desperate for a keeper
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Hes alright but in terms of loan to perm the order would surely be periera then diangana (if price was right) krovonovic then robinson.
Also we will 100% need a new striker
We definitely need a new keeper
Can we afford to not to buy a left back- will gibbs be fit is Townsend good enough?
All of those would take priority over Robinson. Also more value to be had from overseas than from other pl plodders- some clubs on continent will be really struggling financially and may have to sell some players.
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For me it’s a strange one. I keep reading and hearing that he is premier league quality etc but for me I’m really not sure what his key asset is. I think he is decent, and I’d start him on Sunday at the moment as he did well the other night, but I haven’t seen enough recently to see if he can change a game. Is he a great winger, does he have great movement, crossing, does he have pace - I don’t really know how to describe him at the moment. Diangana on the other hand has demonstrated that he can change games, so when fit and on form Diangana would definitely be the one to push for.
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For me it’s a strange one. I keep reading and hearing that he is premier league quality etc but for me I’m really not sure what his key asset is. I think he is decent, and I’d start him on Sunday at the moment as he did well the other night, but I haven’t seen enough recently to see if he can change a game. Is he a great winger, does he have great movement, crossing, does he have pace - I don’t really know how to describe him at the moment. Diangana on the other hand has demonstrated that he can change games, so when fit and on form Diangana would definitely be the one to push for.
I rate Diangana but do worry about his injury record since he came here, I know it's early days since he came back but he still looks way off the fitness level required imo
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Robinson is important because he fits a particular role in a particular tactical set up i.e. wide left in a 4-3-3. Change the set up and he doesn't fit or you are shoehorning him into a line up in a role where he is less effective. If you hold the tactical set constant the choice is not between Diangana and Robinson it really is Diangana or Pereira.
Switch to a 4-2-3-1 you can accomodate Diangana and Pereira (as the 10) but then you are looking for a more traditional right winger e.g. Phillips or Edwards. However then you have to reconfigure the midfield and Krovinovic starts to look surplus to requirements.
My view is that given that Pereira is a as good as our player going we need to work around him. If we play him in a 4-3-3 both Robinson and Krovinovic or similar players have a role but if we use him as a 10 then they don't . Obviously we would still need to sign players but they would be different and Diangana or similar would be more of a priority.
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Robinson is important because he fits a particular role in a particular tactical set up i.e. wide left in a 4-3-3. Change the set up and he doesn't fit or you are shoehorning him into a line up in a role where he is less effective. If you hold the tactical set constant the choice is not between Diangana and Robinson it really is Diangana or Pereira.
Switch to a 4-2-3-1 you can accomodate Diangana and Pereira (as the 10) but then you are looking for a more traditional right winger e.g. Phillips or Edwards. However then you have to reconfigure the midfield and Krovinovic starts to look surplus to requirements.
My view is that given that Pereira is a as good as our player going we need to work around him. If we play him in a 4-3-3 both Robinson and Krovinovic or similar players have a role but if we use him as a 10 then they don't . Obviously we would still need to sign players but they would be different and Diangana or similar would be more of a priority.
You make a great point...I’ve watched every minut3 he has been on the pitch...but I can’t list what he is especially brilliant at nor his best position, but that is not saying he doesn’t have a value to the team .
Next season Slav may look to change things, but coaches rarely deviate from what 5hey know like , so I would suggest we would still be going with a single strike who can score but is predominately a fulcrum for others involvement So as part of a three Calum could sit on the left , he does have an engine so can drop and defend ....I just don’t know about his tackling ?
Hypothetically I’d like something like
Robinson. Haller. Pereria
Krov
Nzonzi. Gallagher (was Charlton now Swansea loan from Chelsea)
That to me has a solidity, aerial presence,great hold up and a lot of comfort on the ball , I know Haller wouldn’t be cheap , but you would think spam would want to offload esp they drop
Gallagher has been outstanding every time I’ve seen him, engine, tackle forward thinking
I know some would complain about Pererira Being pushed wide right...but in the prem he won’t have the space Inside that he currently enjoys
And then like I say, Robinson has the legs, can create and should chip in with 6-7 goals from there
Thoughts?
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If you want to see a perfectly functioning 4-3-3 look no further than the top two in the Premier League the shape and principal is the same. They are obviously blessed with elite level talent so they can expect an elite level outcome i.e. operating in the 75 to 100 points range. Whereas our range in the Premier League would be 35 to 50 points.
It is easy to say "look elite level talent at work we can't play that way." This is every defensive coach's rationale for the deep sitting block even those with elite talent on their squads (yes looking at you Mourinho). There are compromises we have to acknowledge we aren't going to have the luxury of camping in our opponents half but that for instance means we don't play with a false 9 we need a target man number 9. Our full backs can't be as relentlessly offensive as City's and Liverpool's and when we recruit a full back their defensive capabilities are as least as important their offensive ones.
Callum Robinson is not Sterling or Mane but he plays in the same space with the same function. So if Bilic wants to use a
4-3-3 then he needs Callum Robinson or a similar player what he doesn't need is four different traditional right wingers.
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At least he will be fresh for Wednesday night. I like to see him ahead of HRK, in backing up Austin, as he carried more of a goal threat.
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He was excellent tonight. Showed what we were missing up top all season. Celebrated like he'd been playing for us for years.
Livermore whispered, "be careful", when he was asked about whether his future is at Albion or Sheff Utd...
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He was excellent tonight. Showed what we were missing up top all season. Celebrated like he'd been playing for us for years.
Livermore whispered, "be careful", when he was asked about whether his future is at Albion or Sheff Utd...
Missing being the operative word.
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He was excellent tonight. Showed what we were missing up top all season. Celebrated like he'd been playing for us for years.
Livermore whispered, "be careful", when he was asked about whether his future is at Albion or Sheff Utd...
if he's cheap I'd sign
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if he's cheap I'd sign
Don't we have enough non premiership quality without bringing in another one?
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Don't we have enough non premiership quality without bringing in another one?
Played well tonight, save for his one-on-one miss that would have sealed it. I wouldn't mind seeing him back next season as long as the financial terms are decent for us, I wouldn't spend big on him.
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His best performance for us tonight in my view and showed he’s our best striker.
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Missing being the operative word.
So he didn’t play well then? More movement than we’ve had from any striker since the restart. Yes he missed a sitter but the other two wouldn’t have even been in the position to miss the chance.
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His best performance for us tonight in my view and showed he’s our best striker.
Not a difficult status to achieve!
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His best performance for us tonight in my view and showed he’s our best striker.
What showed you that? The missed 1 on 1, the mess he made of setting up an open goal, or the goal he scored that I'm fairly confident you would have slotted.
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So he didn’t play well then? More movement than we’ve had from any striker since the restart. Yes he missed a sitter but the other two wouldn’t have even been in the position to miss the chance.
I'm basing my assessment on the opposition. You won't get a more generous team than QPR at this stage of the season. If Callum Robinson was any good we'd have won about 5-2 today.
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Brave of Billic to try him out in such a crucial game. He certainly brought mobility to the role and an ability to anticipate crosses, something our other forwards have struggled with. Think we should be able to do better than him though in the No. 9 role.
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I'm basing my assessment on the opposition. You won't get a more generous team than QPR at this stage of the season. If Callum Robinson was any good we'd have won about 5-2 today.
You seem loathed to give him any credit. It was great hold up play and an assist for Diangana to level, at a crucial time before the break. He also scored and looked lively. Might be the last time we see him play for us.
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Good loan signing who has half paid off but at the price Sheff Utd will want, I wouldn’t be going there. Not a bad championship player and if I was at Norwich or Bournemouth I’d be circling but that miss at 2-1 is a sign of why he isn’t quite good enough.
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I'm in the 'not quite good enough' camp but he played his part here since he joined so i thank him for that. If he was few million then yes but i heard they want 8-9m for him.
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Good loan signing who has half paid off but at the price Sheff Utd will want, I wouldn’t be going there. Not a bad championship player and if I was at Norwich or Bournemouth I’d be circling but that miss at 2-1 is a sign of why he isn’t quite good enough.
I wouldn't judge him on that one miss, he's had hardly any game time up front, or at all post lockdown. I agree with you though that I wouldn't be looking to pay £10m for him, presuming our resources will be limited.
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I'm in the 'not quite good enough' camp but he played his part here since he joined so i thank him for that. If he was few million then yes but i heard they want 8-9m for him.
£8-£9m would be a good deal. For someone who can play wide and as another option up top. "A few million" gets you nothing these days.
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£8-£9m would be a good deal. For someone who can play wide and as another option up top. "A few million" gets you nothing these days.
We have more pressing concerns though, if moneys no object then fair enough. 2x GK and 2/3 Strikers are MUSTS.
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Been calling him to be tried up top for a while now and feel a tad vindicated tonight. He led the line well, playing on the last man and making some excellent runs in the channels. He also set up Diangana intelligently for the first goal and showed superb awareness to get into position for his goal.
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much rather have Callum in the Premier League squad than Zohore
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Baffles me how it’s took this long to play him up top.
Would have been over the line couple of games ago in my opinion, that’s all irrelevant now.
Would be happy to keep him for the right fee, assuming we shift Zohore, Austin/HRK on.
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Baffles me how it’s took this long to play him up top.
Would have been over the line couple of games ago in my opinion, that’s all irrelevant now.
Would be happy to keep him for the right fee, assuming we shift Zohore, Austin/HRK on.
Problem is, all three are on very good wages, more than they can get elsewhere. The mid table championship clubs that might be interested wouldn't be able to match their current deals so we are struck them unless the players themselves are willing to move to get more game time but on less money. Either that or we send them out on loan and subsidise their wages.
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Yep all top wages by Champo wages. HRK was on 36k pw before and just signed a new deal so now we've gone up he's on 40k pw roughly I'd imagine.
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Unfortunately HRK will be classed as a back up winger next year much like Phillips. Zohore and Austin will both still be here as well.
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Problem is, all three are on very good wages, more than they can get elsewhere. The mid table championship clubs that might be interested wouldn't be able to match their current deals so we are struck them unless the players themselves are willing to move to get more game time but on less money. Either that or we send them out on loan and subsidise their wages.
Think we could shift Zohore out on loan. Will struggle to get rid of Austin unless a Scottish team want him.
People seem blinded by HRK ‘good form’ this season so a championship team may take a chance.
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He's decent but as with Krovinovic, with a coronavirus hit transfer budget where is the money for these kind of deals? We need some genuine premier league quality to have any hope, so spending close to 10m on Robinson doesn't seem shrewd. He's not particularly a better winger than someone like Grosicki who's already here for example, and given we took till today to try him as a striker, would we really be trusting him to play there next season?
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An acceptable selection.
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He's decent but as with Krovinovic, with a coronavirus hit transfer budget where is the money for these kind of deals? We need some genuine premier league quality to have any hope, so spending close to 10m on Robinson doesn't seem shrewd. He's not particularly a better winger than someone like Grosicki who's already here for example, and given we took till today to try him as a striker, would we really be trusting him to play there next season?
Agreed, he's not vital. If he's £10 million just add that to whatever we're willing to pay for an actual centre forward and wish him luck at Sheffield United.
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Agreed, he's not vital. If he's £10 million just add that to whatever we're willing to pay for an actual centre forward and wish him luck at Sheffield United.
You could probably get him in on a season loan again. Sheff United will strengthen again in the summer so won’t need him.
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Not premier league quality. There is a reason Wilder let him come to us.
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Not premier league quality. There is a reason Wilder let him come to us.
Bingo he played well and missed a guilt edge chance to put the game to bed and take the pressure of he didn’t. There are better wingers and strikers out there then him the problem we had is we have literally no strikers who will make the step up
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If he had played more since the restart up front I'm convinced we would of got more positive results due to his pace etc but let's be honest if he was premier league quality he wouldn't of been loaned out to use within 6 months of signing for Sheffield united. I wish him the best of luck with his career and thank him for all his efforts and hard work but we and he have to go separate ways.
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He is not quick, but he is mobile and finds space very well, should have played up front sooner, 9 times out of 10 we would have won that game.
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The problem with the "he's not good enough" comments are...
1) we don't know that, maybe 6 months regular football is what was needed for him
2) sheff utd have a good team, if he's not quite good enough for a top 10 team, he could still be good enough for us.
3) you could have said the same thing about diangana and he was sent out on loan from West ham for a season.
4) without Diangana we need at least another winger unless we are going to play Phillips and Grosicki all season.
5) are we really going to go out and spend less on a better winger? Transfer fees are enflated if you haven't noticed.
That's all with the caveat that we do have more urgent positions to fill so it's not like I'm saying he's a must sign. It's just that we don't know if he's good enough, and £8-£9m doesn't get you a lot these days - that's the price championship clubs have been paying.
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I thought he did well and has potential. His pass to Diangana for our first demonstrated quick feet great awareness. He got in the 6 yard box to score our second which the lumbering Austin would never have done (why oh why was Austin brought on, he had no effect on the game at all). He can play on the wing and as proved last night down the centre. £10M is not going to get us Lewandowski.
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The guy woke up still wearing his Albion kit!!
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The guy woke up still wearing his Albion kit!!
I woke up up still wearing my 50 year old scarf. 🤪
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I wouldn't buy him, I would may be loan him if the loan fee is reasonable.
He was class last night and did more than HRK has done in 9 games, but he is a championship player imo.
We really have to find some reasonably priced gems from abroad like MP.
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We really have to find some reasonably priced gems from abroad like MP.
Not going to happen. Periera is the exception.
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Not going to happen. Periera is the exception.
The thing about exceptions is that they do happen. Mulumbu, Koren, Odemwingie...the players are out there, who just have to find them. It seems it's often about circumstances falling into place that allows us to get these types of players
On the topic of CR, he can play across the front three and might be a good utility option, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with him starting.
Sheffield United, as good as they have been, have not had a prolific striker this year. Mousset and McBurnie have 6 goals each, with Sharp and McGoldrick only getting two or three. Despite this Wilder felt that Robinson didn't fit into their system and allowed him out on loan. That makes me nervous
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Not going to happen. Periera is the exception.
Brentford manage to do it.
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The thing about exceptions is that they do happen. Mulumbu, Koren, Odemwingie...the players are out there, who just have to find them. It seems it's often about circumstances falling into place that allows us to get these types of players
On the topic of CR, he can play across the front three and might be a good utility option, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with him starting.
Sheffield United, as good as they have been, have not had a prolific striker this year. Mousset and McBurnie have 6 goals each, with Sharp and McGoldrick only getting two or three. Despite this Wilder felt that Robinson didn't fit into their system and allowed him out on loan. That makes me nervous
I'm not saying the players aren't out there - but the odds are massively stacked against you. You named 3 players there in how many years compared to how many signings we've made? I'd love for us to go out and spend £30m on 4 players that are all top quality but realistically that isn't going to happen. Currently I'm seeing us writing off Robinson and Krov for £8m each - we should snap the parent clubs hands off for that because anything else around that price is going to be a massive risk.
I wouldn't read anything into Sheff Utd's approach with Robinson, we could argue the same for Diangana, Barnes, Gayle or Lukaku. All quality players that were loaned out.
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I'd be happy if we signed him. I like the fact he has a natural attacking instinct, has great spacial awareness on the pitch, has a good 'football brain,' and isn't afraid to 'have a go'. I can't say the same of our three 'main' strikers. We were so much better with him up front last night, and we would have won that game at a canter on most other nights. (Krov should have put his laces through that chance)!
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Brentford manage to do it.
How many teams are there in the league? And you name 1, and a team that finished behind us. If they had a team of Periera's they'd have finished top.
Like I said, it's not impossible, but it's a massive risk and small club mentality to think that £8m is a lot of money. 9 times out 10 it won't get you anything these days. If we pass on Robinson we're banking that we'll be able to sign a better player for that kind of money - all the historical evidence points to that being a very very very slim chance.
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How many teams are there in the league? And you name 1, and a team that finished behind us. If they had a team of Periera's they'd have finished top.
Like I said, it's not impossible, but it's a massive risk and small club mentality to think that £8m is a lot of money. 9 times out 10 it won't get you anything these days. If we pass on Robinson we're banking that we'll be able to sign a better player for that kind of money - all the historical evidence points to that being a very very very slim chance.
Robinson is not premier league standard. As shown by his time at Sheffield United. As shown by his time here. Indeed had he not scored yesterday I doubt anyone would want him even in the championship for that fee.
I'd prefer to take the gamble that we might not get a premier league player for that 8m, rather than purchase a player we know is a championship player for no reason other than they're familiar.
Also quite how we could decide to pay what Sheffield United paid for him is beyond me given how COVID has affected our budget, and given he already flopped in the premier, how is he worth the same? He hardly starred here.
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How has he flopped in the Prem? He's only played 90 mins twice for a team that's 8th. You could, at a push, argue that he couldn't force his way into a top half team but that's no guarantee that he wouldn't do a job for us.
But think about it. If you think Robinson isn't good enough, what does that say about the bulk of our squad? He was a better option up front than 3 of our strike force, so they're not good enough. He's had more of an impact than Grosicki. He's probably not quite as tricky as Diangana but not far off, and we must write Diangana off anyway because West Ham didn't even want him back when they're struggling. He's more creative and versatile than Krov. Now look at the players we've still got from when we got relegated, they're all not good enough either.
So basically we're going to start with Pierera and need to replace everybody else.
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Whilst I applaud Callum Robinson’s obvious enthusiasm for the Club last night and the contribution he made, I agree that he is not of Premiership standard.
In the Prem against top class players I think he would become a pile of parrot droppings unlike Peirera and Diangana who are obviously of Premiership standard. We do need to make huge efforts to get Grady on a permanent basis but I fear the Shammers will be wanting him back.
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When Diangana is on top of his game he's better than Robinson, but when Diangana isn't at it he has less of an impact than Robinson.
I just don't get where this "he's not good enough for the Prem" has come from. Diangana was loaned out by West Ham, and they didn't want him back in January. Sheff Utd loaned Robinson out for 6 months and they're 8th.
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How many teams are there in the league? And you name 1, and a team that finished behind us. If they had a team of Periera's they'd have finished top.
Like I said, it's not impossible, but it's a massive risk and small club mentality to think that £8m is a lot of money. 9 times out 10 it won't get you anything these days. If we pass on Robinson we're banking that we'll be able to sign a better player for that kind of money - all the historical evidence points to that being a very very very slim chance.
I didn't say pass on him, I said take him on loan if the fee is reasonable. I suspect he will be signed though permanently as they will look at it as if we go down we definitely know he can do it down there.
We have not got a lot of money and Benrahma cost a couple of million and is just behind MP in class.
£8m might not get us much, but that is our budget if you think we will be spending big, think again.
If sheff utd sold him for £4-5m I'd maybe take him, but no way would I pay £8m for him now.
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If we can get him for no more then 5 million then that’s value for money I think .
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Just looks a poor player to me. No real pace, not got a trick and can't finish. There is much, much better out there.
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When he missed that 1 on 1 I wanted to literally cry
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I agree with that Webby, he should have scored, but my argument in his favour would be that our alternative strikers don't have the natural footballing intelligence or quality of off-the-ball movement to find themselves in that situation in the first place.
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Hal would have been tackled and Austin would have shot as soon as he got it.
He should have scored but I wouldn't take that miss as indicative of his shooting skills. Austin took the **** right out of Robinson for that miss, you don't do that if it was as well as could be expected.
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Hal would have been tackled and Austin would have shot as soon as he got it.
He should have scored but I wouldn't take that miss as indicative of his shooting skills. Austin took the **** right out of Robinson for that miss, you don't do that if it was as well as could be expected.
Austin would be getting there about now!
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I like him as a character and I thought that was one of the more mobile and offered better options that any of our other forwards this season. Loved his celebrations last night.
However as I said a week or two ago, I don’t really know what his game is. It’s not really pace, it’s not really as a finisher, or a back to goal player, no 10, or a winger. I think he is intelligent, has a good touch and is very mobile though, and would be a worthwhile addition as a squad player next year but I’m not sure he’s what we need as a starter in our team next season.
I guess in the end if he’s available and it’s not a huge chunk of our budget then he could be worth a punt. We do need to remember that we have a weak squad in his kind of position if you were to assume that Phillips isn’t good enough, Diangana is gone and Grosicki is best used on the bench.
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I think he's currently better than our other 3 options up front in HRK, Austin and Zohore, with that in mind I would buy him at the quoted price of £8 million which is fairly reasonable for today's market. He's only 24 too so has good resale value if needed in the future.
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I’d take him, but not for the £6 - 8m Sheffield United paid for him, at most, the lower end of that valuation
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I think he's currently better than our other 3 options up front in HRK, Austin and Zohore,
That’s not very hard to be honest.
We also shouldn’t use that as a barometer for our recruitment.
He’s been an ok addition with no stand out attributes to his game. Nor has he succeeded in nailing down a particular position.
Given the money quoted, we should put that to use elsewhere IMO
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I wouldn't pay any more money than Sheffield United paid for him but at around that price or marginally less he'd be a useful addition to the squad. I don't think that is likely to happen so I'd move on personally and wish him well, he'll probably end up back at Villa.
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Just posted a picture on Instagram and he’s still in his match shirt ;D ;D
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Just looks a poor player to me. No real pace, not got a trick and can't finish. There is much, much better out there.
Seems a nice bloke but isn’t there as a Premiership player more like a bucket full of parrot droppings.
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It's been fun watching him celebrate and seeing his passion but we need to cut any emotion out of this and be realistic. Is he a premier league player? Probably not Sheffield United were quick to give him to us on loan and Wilder doesn't sound to bothered about losing him this summer based off of what he said yesterday. It was more of a come and get him as opposed to a hands off. I'd wish him luck and both parties go separate ways.
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I like him, get the deal done and convert him to a striker
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Just £6m on Robinson...
Just £6m on Krovinoivc...
Just £15 on Grady...
Suddenly we’ve spent just 80% of our transfer budget on just getting the same side out on the pitch.
We need to do better than that.
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We have a lot to do just to stand still due to all of the loans we had.
Makes you wonder how many loans we will have this year, which would be a concern..
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And that's why we need to spend as it's always the result of having good quality on loan players.
Another way to look at it is...
We don't sign any of those players, but we still need to replace them else we go into the season with a worse team.
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Just £6m on Robinson...
Just £6m on Krovinoivc...
Just £15 on Grady...
Suddenly we’ve spent just 80% of our transfer budget on just getting the same side out on the pitch.
We need to do better than that.
Ferguson should cover Krov. Consider it a swop in essence.
The club will have made a healthy profit last season even after losing some money on Covid19 it just hasn't been announced. It was said there was around 15m of the transfer budget not touched. Take off a few million for Covid19 so I'd guess we have 10m plus PL TV money to come. I think it will be more than 30m. I'd hope around 50m but it's all just gues work.
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Just £6m on Robinson...
Just £6m on Krovinoivc...
Just £15 on Grady...
Suddenly we’ve spent just 80% of our transfer budget on just getting the same side out on the pitch.
We need to do better than that.
This would be purchasing some of the key elements to a promotion winning squad, three players at the right age with potential to improve. Rather this than blowing the money on wages for players coming towards the end of their careers with "experience". For me, our priority should be to build a squad with players that will either increase in value due to having a decent Prem season or be ready for another crack at the Champ should we not survive. We don't yet know if COVID has effected the market and it will be interesting to see the £££ values that start getting bandied about. Gut instinct is that these would be good players to make permanent at these prices.
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Just posted a picture on Instagram and he’s still in his match shirt ;D ;D
I admire his excitement and his eagerness to continue his celebrations but I still would not be signing him on a permanent deal
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This would be purchasing some of the key elements to a promotion winning squad, three players at the right age with potential to improve. Rather this than blowing the money on wages for players coming towards the end of their careers with "experience". For me, our priority should be to build a squad with players that will either increase in value due to having a decent Prem season or be ready for another crack at the Champ should we not survive. We don't yet know if COVID has effected the market and it will be interesting to see the £££ values that start getting bandied about. Gut instinct is that these would be good players to make permanent at these prices.
Ok, so let’s say you now have the squad that finished the season. What positions need to then be strengthened and how much money is left to do it, £10m or so?
The best you thought we could find for £12m of the money you’ve already spent included CR and naughty word. That doesn’t inspire much confidence youll fill the other 5 gaps with any great quality with the money left.
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But let's say we refuse to resign Robinson, Krov and Diangana, combined with losing Brunt and Barry. We've now got 5 players, minimum, to replace, just to get us back to the numbers we had this season. And we've not even started to replace the front 3, the keeper, defenders, any CM's.
So what's the plan for that? We've just managed to 'save' £20m by not signing those players, but you've still got to replace them, so you've still got to spend *some* money.
The problem can only be solved by spending some money or taking more players on loan (which just kicks the can further down the road).
£8-£9m gets you nothing in the Premiership these days, it barely gets you top 6 championship quality.
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But let's say we refuse to resign Robinson, Krov and Diangana, combined with losing Brunt and Barry. We've now got 5 players, minimum, to replace, just to get us back to the numbers we had this season. And we've not even started to replace the front 3, the keeper, defenders, any CM's.
So what's the plan for that? We've just managed to 'save' £20m by not signing those players, but you've still got to replace them, so you've still got to spend *some* money.
The problem can only be solved by spending some money or taking more players on loan (which just kicks the can further down the road).
£8-£9m gets you nothing in the Premiership these days, it barely gets you top 6 championship quality.
Why do we need to replace Brunt and Barry? They barely played at all. Particularly Barry was an irrelevance.
We have 8 less games too, the need for a large squad for us in the premier is overstated. We'll very rarely have more than one game a week.
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Why do we need to replace Brunt and Barry? They barely played at all. Particularly Barry was an irrelevance.
We have 8 less games too, the need for a large squad for us in the premier is overstated. We'll very rarely have more than one game a week.
Yeah theres still too many people in the squad who are non-contributors. Would rather have quality not quantity.
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Why do we need to replace Brunt and Barry? They barely played at all. Particularly Barry was an irrelevance.
We have 8 less games too, the need for a large squad for us in the premier is overstated. We'll very rarely have more than one game a week.
Fair point, and I don't think we'd need to replace like for like (as in aging and experienced), but it would still mean we're down on numbers in midfield. Our CM options would be Livermore, Sawyers and Harper and that's it? If we sign a new CM for competition or first choice, then we are actually replacing Brunt\Barry.
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A ‘wba fan’ on twitter is claiming Robinson, Krov and Pereira will be unveiled on Monday in the away kit.
Can’t see that happening myself.
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But let's say we refuse to resign Robinson, Krov and Diangana, combined with losing Brunt and Barry. We've now got 5 players, minimum, to replace, just to get us back to the numbers we had this season. And we've not even started to replace the front 3, the keeper, defenders, any CM's.
So what's the plan for that? We've just managed to 'save' £20m by not signing those players, but you've still got to replace them, so you've still got to spend *some* money.
The problem can only be solved by spending some money or taking more players on loan (which just kicks the can further down the road).
£8-£9m gets you nothing in the Premiership these days, it barely gets you top 6 championship quality.
I’m not saying it’s not hard, but we have to try and find better value. It’s the only way we won’t come back down. We can’t spend as much as most others, so to compete we have to spend more effectively. Our £30m needs to be spent better than West Ham’s £50m
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A ‘wba fan’ on twitter is claiming Robinson, Krov and Pereira will be unveiled on Monday in the away kit.
Can’t see that happening myself.
Krov and Pereira makes sense. Pereira is deal done and Krov put on his Instagram account the other day that there was more news to come regarding him and WBA
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Depends if we have any funds over for Robinson after we've got another striker in. That last is the priority, as we can't go into next season, only relying on Austin, HRK, Zohore and Robinson.
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Fair point, and I don't think we'd need to replace like for like (as in aging and experienced), but it would still mean we're down on numbers in midfield. Our CM options would be Livermore, Sawyers and Harper and that's it? If we sign a new CM for competition or first choice, then we are actually replacing Brunt\Barry.
It depends on which way you view it
We should not be replacing a Barry/Brunt per say.
We need to be replacing and improving upon Livermore and/or Sawyers and allowing them to become back up options and therefore filling those Brunt/Barry roles.
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Fair point, and I don't think we'd need to replace like for like (as in aging and experienced), but it would still mean we're down on numbers in midfield. Our CM options would be Livermore, Sawyers and Harper and that's it? If we sign a new CM for competition or first choice, then we are actually replacing Brunt\Barry.
Replacement for the position not like for like over 35 player !
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If the fee was between £5-6m, the players contract demands were reasonable, I'd take him but only as a squad player.
I haven't read or heard of any other team being interested in him and I think Sheffield want to offload him
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We could do a lot worse, he can get on Perreira's wavelength unlike a few others
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I’m not saying it’s not hard, but we have to try and find better value. It’s the only way we won’t come back down. We can’t spend as much as most others, so to compete we have to spend more effectively. Our £30m needs to be spent better than West Ham’s £50m
Is there "better value"? What kind of forward player can you potentially buy for £6m. Talking about West Spam I would have loved Bowen but he cost them £18m up top plus a further £7m potential add ons and has scored 1 in 12. We were also rumoured to be interested in Ajete who cost £8 million but has scored 0 in 9. I agree we need to spend our money better but if this is the going rate......Let's hope our recruitment team are on it!!
I've just done a quick Google on Eze and paper talk puts his value at £20m!!
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It depends on which way you view it
We should not be replacing a Barry/Brunt per say.
We need to be replacing and improving upon Livermore and/or Sawyers and allowing them to become back up options and therefore filling those Brunt/Barry roles.
Yeah, thats what I meant when I said not replacing like for like. A midfielder leaves, we need a replacement midfielder.
Just not convinced with the idea that by not resigning our loan players it somehow frees up funds for other positions. It doesnt, if we don't resign our loan players we need replace them *as well* as strengthening our week spots.
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Is there "better value"? What kind of forward player can you potentially buy for £6m. Talking about West Spam I would have loved Bowen but he cost them £18m up top plus a further £7m potential add ons and has scored 1 in 12. We were also rumoured to be interested in Ajete who cost £8 million but has scored 0 in 9. I agree we need to spend our money better but if this is the going rate......Let's hope our recruitment team are on it!!
I've just done a quick Google on Eze and paper talk puts his value at £20m!!
Exactly this.
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Could be absolutely nothing in it and just a mistake, however if you look at the player list on official website it does state which players are in or out on loan.
There is one player who doesn’t have this on the profile however, Mr Robinson.
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If Sheffield United we’re willing to sell Callum Robinson, I think buying him would be some decent business. The Blades spent around £7-8million on him so I don’t think it would be unreasonable for them to consider offers in and around the £6million mark. The Albion were very keen to sign him last summer but the Blades were able to lure him away from Preston NE with the offer of Premier League football. Playing Callum Robinson in the striker role against QPR was effective and long overdue. I’d be happy to welcome him on a permanent basis at the club.
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QPR had one of the worst defensive set ups I've seen all season. I actually felt sorry for Kanu he didn't have chance to test himself against them. Robinson did a job for us at his level, bit part player at top of the Championship. Thanks and goodbye.
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Nice guy but not good enough to be regular in PL.
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QPR had one of the worst defensive set ups I've seen all season. I actually felt sorry for Kanu he didn't have chance to test himself against them. Robinson did a job for us at his level, bit part player at top of the Championship. Thanks and goodbye.
Yet when Austin came on, despite more attacking players being on the pitch, he didn't get a sniff of a chance.
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Can we resurrect this now as the deal doesn’t seem that far away? I’m not 100% convinced by him as a perm player but he’s a damn sight better than what we currently have
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From what i've seen, he is more of a left sided wide man than right, meaning if we want him on the pitch at the same time as Diangana it needs to be with him up front.
Many observers say he struggles as the main centre forward, but he put in his best performance for us in that position, even if he did miss a one on one.
He gives us a versatile option from the bench and if we go down he is a solid championship player, while by all accounts being a nice bloke (you can see how well he got on with his teammates on the last day of the season and i've beem told by someone who knows him that he is one of the good guys).
His signing does possibly put in doubt the Karlan Grant deal though. Despite what some have said on here about him being a centre forward, every Huddersfield forum or twitter account seems to mark him down as being best suited as a wide left forward - the exact position Robinson occupies and the area of the pitch Diangana will be playing as well.
Do you spend £16m on Grant when you have already spent so much money on Diangana and Robinson who play the same roles?
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Ian Abrahams (Moose) suggesting this one is very close now.
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From what i've seen, he is more of a left sided wide man than right, meaning if we want him on the pitch at the same time as Diangana it needs to be with him up front.
Many observers say he struggles as the main centre forward, but he put in his best performance for us in that position, even if he did miss a one on one.
He gives us a versatile option from the bench and if we go down he is a solid championship player, while by all accounts being a nice bloke (you can see how well he got on with his teammates on the last day of the season and i've beem told by someone who knows him that he is one of the good guys).
His signing does possibly put in doubt the Karlan Grant deal though. Despite what some have said on here about him being a centre forward, every Huddersfield forum or twitter account seems to mark him down as being best suited as a wide left forward - the exact position Robinson occupies and the area of the pitch Diangana will be playing as well.
Do you spend £16m on Grant when you have already spent so much money on Diangana and Robinson who play the same roles?
Yes. It's all about squad depth and being able to change things if they aren't working.
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Not convinced we need to bring Robinson in now we've got four wide players at the club.
We needed a better goalkeeper
Two strikers better than what we have
An upgrade on Livermore
A good centre half.
Plenty of time left but I don't think we've improved the first 11 yet.
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Not convinced we need to bring Robinson in now we've got four wide players at the club.
We needed a better goalkeeper
Two strikers better than what we have
An upgrade on Livermore
A good centre half.
Plenty of time left but I don't think we've improved the first 11 yet.
.... and an upgrade on Sawyers
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I've said it before, Robinson may lack certain things - pace and power probably, but he can get on the Krov/Perriera/Diangana wavelength and I think that is why Bilic is keen on getting him back, I can see him being used in the middle up front, if you can get triangles going up there as opposed to around the centre circle they are going to create opportunities
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I just don't see Robinson as a Prem quality striker, so it could mean we are overloaded with wingers. Only positive is getting shot of Burke but, I too would rather strengthen the middle of the park and replace, or at least challenge, Livermore, or, obviously, bring in a recognised centre forward.
Don't think Robinson did enough last season to warrant the relentless pursuit.
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Unless someone came along and said we want Olly Burke in exchange for our prolific striker, this is about as good a deal as its possible to achieve IMO.
Would we have brought Robinson in Isolation? who knows, but I guess probably not, however this deal has to be seen in the context of 2 clubs offloading unwanted players to each other.
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Unless someone came along and said we want Olly Burke in exchange for our prolific striker, this is about as good a deal as its possible to achieve IMO.
Would we have brought Robinson in Isolation? who knows, but I guess probably not, however this deal has to be seen in the context of 2 clubs offloading unwanted players to each other.
At least you get it..
We have a player we 100% won’t use ,some one wants to swap him for a player we will use even if occasionally.
Quite simple isn’t it ...
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Unless someone came along and said we want Olly Burke in exchange for our prolific striker, this is about as good a deal as its possible to achieve IMO.
Would we have brought Robinson in Isolation? who knows, but I guess probably not, however this deal has to be seen in the context of 2 clubs offloading unwanted players to each other.
I still can’t believe it may go through. Great bit of business in my eyes. Would much rather have Robinson in the squad over Burke. For Burke’s sake it would be nice to see if he has got any potential/talent that can be nurtured good luck to him and wilder
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Percy has just confirmed he is having a medical today on twitter
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Callum Robinson is having his medical at West Brom today, ahead of his permanent move from #sufc. Oliver Burke will join Sheff Utd. #wba keen to sign another forward before the window closes
Percy
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Jon Percy Twitter Account
Callum Robinson is having his medical at West Brom today, ahead of his permanent move from #sufc. Oliver Burke will join Sheff Utd. #wba keen to sign another forward before the window closes
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Jon Percy Twitter Account
Callum Robinson is having his medical at West Brom today, ahead of his permanent move from #sufc. Oliver Burke will join Sheff Utd. #wba keen to sign another forward before the window closes
Great news.
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Bit non plussed.
Getting Burke off the books is a bonus based on what he has produced here, but Callum Robinson just isnt very good. If he was Wilder wouldn't be swapping him for Burke.
Championship player.
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Bit non plussed.
Getting Burke off the books is a bonus based on what he has produced here, but Callum Robinson just isnt very good. If he was Wilder wouldn't be swapping him for Burke.
Championship player.
We could say the exact same about Burke going the other way. In fact Burke couldn't even get in our team in the Championship. Providing we're not propping the deal up with any/too much cash, it's a no brainer.
We get a player who did alright here and wants to play for us and we get rid of someone I'm not even sure is a footballer.
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Great buisness, Burke was never going to work, Robinson has something I like about him.
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Bit non plussed.
Getting Burke off the books is a bonus based on what he has produced here, but Callum Robinson just isnt very good. If he was Wilder wouldn't be swapping him for Burke.
Championship player.
Simple question, who do you think will do more for us this season?
Wilder plays a type pf football that only certain players fit, look at the two Derby players he's just brought, most people wouldn't touch them. He thinks he can turn Burke then great, it certainly isn't happening at Albion. Robinson hasn't had a prem chance so lets give him a go before we right him off.
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Certainly a good move. Whilst Robinson isnt a world beater he does at least put all his effort in and will be much more of an asset to the squad (both in playing and general morale) than Burke would ever be.
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Simple question, who do you think will do more for us this season?
Wilder plays a type pf football that only certain players fit, look at the two Derby players he's just brought, most people wouldn't touch them. He thinks he can turn Burke then great, it certainly isn't happening at Albion. Robinson hasn't had a prem chance so lets give him a go before we right him off.
I'd have both of those Derby players at the Albion in fairness.
Robinson played 17 games in the PL last season and Wilder didn't fancy him. Although Wilder tried to play him through the middle, which isn't his position I don't think.
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Great buisness, Burke was never going to work, Robinson has something I like about him.
He can be anonymous at times out wide, but I agree, he just has that little bit of something about him around the box, maybe its just confidence, he doesn't seem short of that. I think he can do a very useful job for us.
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Certainly a good move. Whilst Robinson isnt a world beater he does at least put all his effort in and will be much more of an asset to the squad (both in playing and general morale) than Burke would ever be.
agree 100%
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Robinson isn't afraid to shoot and while not blessed with blistering pace he has more about him than our current Dads Army forwards.
He wont be the main man but he is better than what we already have
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Robinson has done more for us than Burke has so it's a positive move for me.
also with one eye on next season if the worst is to happen we have 3 very good players at that level in Ajayi, Kipre and Robinson now.
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If he signs he starts up front for me Sunday , better then the other 3
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Hate to be negative, but screams of having one eye on the championship.
But on the plus side of things, it gets rid of Burke
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He can be anonymous at times out wide, but I agree, he just has that little bit of something about him around the box, maybe its just confidence, he doesn't seem short of that. I think he can do a very useful job for us.
This. We were spoilt by Diangana out wide there but I don't think CR was that much worse - he did a job even if he wasn't as impactful. He also looked decent up front and I wish we'd have seen a bit more of him up there. Maybe we will now.
Having someone who can play up top, and on the wing, is a decent player to have. At some point we'll pick up injuries and\or suspensions and would we rather have Robinson come in to the side or Burke.
He was also really infectious with his humour and attitude, another great thing to have around the club. The guy partied in his Albion kit and woke up in it, I'd sign him just for that enthusiasm.
It's a great bit of business.
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Hate to be negative, but screams of having one eye on the championship.
But on the plus side of things, it gets rid of Burke
You have to have an eye on the future, it's an extra tough season in terms of finance and we've not been able to spend what we'd like to get even better premier quality players. We need a balance of quality, players that will hold their value for future sales but also be option should we get relegated, all whilst not blowing the bank.
I wish we did have more to spend but the simple truth is we dont.
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Hate to be negative, but screams of having one eye on the championship.
But on the plus side of things, it gets rid of Burke
Say it screams more of Oli Burke is never ever ever going to do anything here and let's at least get someone who contributed last year and forms good relationships/improves team spirit + may do 1 or 2 things next year.
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You have to have an eye on the future, it's an extra tough season in terms of finance and we've not been able to spend what we'd like to get even better premier quality players. We need a balance of quality, players that will hold their value for future sales but also be option should we get relegated, all whilst not blowing the bank.
I wish we did have more to spend but the simple truth is we dont.
Exactly, staying up will be a big achievement if we do so. If the worst happens and we go down we don't want to be in a position where we need to ship out 50% of the first team and still be hoping for promotion.
Even if CR isn't first choice, we still need decent players to step in. If he was good enough to be first choice then there's every chance he would want first team football elsewhere and someone would offer it. Essentially, the squad needs players who can do a job for the team when required.
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Swapping a player who has done nothing in his three+ years at the club, on big wages and with the inability to develop and improve as a player ...
For a good squad player, versatile as a wide man or winger, with a seemingly great attitude.
Fantastic deal and we've pulled SU's pants down on this one.
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I like Robinson, he may not be a world beater but as back up to Diangana, Pereira (when wide) and Grosicki and probably a stop gap up top until we sign a striker i'd say he'll do and is a step up in quality
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Burke's time here is done, no doubt about that. He has always seemed quite insular (I recall an interview where it was suggested he was a bit of a loner) though to so I wonder if his character has also held him back.
I do think at times last year Burke could have given us something different though. It will be interesting to see who scores more goals next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Burke outscores Robinson :-X
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He could work in a front 2. Looks like the Grant deal is on thin ice but Andre Gray on loan could be a good piece of business. Robinson and Gray or Grant up front as a front 2 could work.
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He could work in a front 2. Looks like the Grant deal is on thin ice but Andre Gray on loan could be a good piece of business. Robinson and Gray or Grant up front as a front 2 could work.
We dont play with a front two.
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He could work in a front 2. Looks like the Grant deal is on thin ice but Andre Gray on loan could be a good piece of business. Robinson and Gray or Grant up front as a front 2 could work.
We aren't going to have a front 2. That would throw everything out and there have been no signs that Bilic is considering it. We'll be 4231/433.
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Playing 1 up front spells disaster for us because we haven't got a good enough striker to play that role. Also the ones we are looking at aren't good enough to play that role in the premiership. Looks like a long hard season !!!
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Playing 1 up front spells disaster for us because we haven't got a good enough striker to play that role. Also the ones we are looking at aren't good enough to play that role in the premiership. Looks like a long hard season !!!
The answer is buying 1 quality striker to put away chances that Diangana/Grosicki/Pereira can create not thumbing in 2 soft strikers. Putting in a 2nd striker would be at the expense of of of those attacking players or putting Pereira out wide instead of in the 10 role.
I disagree massively. The answer is getting somebody in that can put chances away - Grant has proven that he can do that.
I do agree though that if it was Gray or Deeney or another it will be a struggle.
Grant & Deeney would be good for me - with all our current strikers sold if we can find takers
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Unless someone came along and said we want Olly Burke in exchange for our prolific striker, this is about as good a deal as its possible to achieve IMO.
Would we have brought Robinson in Isolation? who knows, but I guess probably not, however this deal has to be seen in the context of 2 clubs offloading unwanted players to each other.
100% agree. Its all about opinions but I feel that Robinson can do a job and is a versatile addition to the squad.
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Burke's time here is done, no doubt about that. He has always seemed quite insular (I recall an interview where it was suggested he was a bit of a loner) though to so I wonder if his character has also held him back.
I do think at times last year Burke could have given us something different though. It will be interesting to see who scores more goals next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Burke outscores Robinson :-X
I would be!
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Playing 1 up front spells disaster for us because we haven't got a good enough striker to play that role. Also the ones we are looking at aren't good enough to play that role in the premiership. Looks like a long hard season !!!
That's the beauty of 4-3-3 surely?
Pereira, Diangana, Grosicki, Robinson, Austin and even Krov and Phillips, all know where the goal is. Plus, with Pereira's set piece ability, we can expect the CH's to chip in.
No way we will set up with 2 up top, with our personnel, and nor should we. We need a striker that fits our style of play and brings the best out of our other attacking players.
Palace scored 31 goals and finished 14th, so, whilst it would be nice to have a 20 goal striker or 2, it's not an absolute requirement to stay up.
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That's the beauty of 4-3-3 surely?
Pereira, Diangana, Grosicki, Robinson, Austin and even Krov and Phillips, all know where the goal is. Plus, with Pereira's set piece ability, we can expect the CH's to chip in.
No way we will set up with 2 up top, with our personnel, and nor should we. We need a striker that fits our style of play and brings the best out of our other attacking players.
Palace scored 31 goals and finished 14th, so, whilst it would be nice to have a 20 goal striker or 2, it's not an absolute requirement to stay up.
I take it you've seen our goalkeeper? We're not staying up by being defensively solid with him in situ.
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Miles better than Burke and can do a job anywhere across a front 3. A positive deal for me.
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On balance its got to be a good deal as he will offer more than Burke. On paper its looks like we've just written off £15 million worth of assets, but sometimes you just have to accept the club made a massive blunder over Burke, and we move on.
Robinson is versatile and gives us different options in the attacking half.
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Burke's time here is done, no doubt about that. He has always seemed quite insular (I recall an interview where it was suggested he was a bit of a loner) though to so I wonder if his character has also held him back.
I do think at times last year Burke could have given us something different though. It will be interesting to see who scores more goals next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Burke outscores Robinson :-X
I would be astonished !! - I would be surprised if Burke gets in the United team!
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The answer is buying 1 quality striker to put away chances that Diangana/Grosicki/Pereira can create not thumbing in 2 soft strikers. Putting in a 2nd striker would be at the expense of of of those attacking players or putting Pereira out wide instead of in the 10 role.
I disagree massively. The answer is getting somebody in that can put chances away - Grant has proven that he can do that.
I do agree though that if it was Gray or Deeney or another it will be a struggle.
Grant & Deeney would be good for me - with all our current strikers sold if we can find takers
Quality premiership class strikers will not come to us. Why would they ? if they are that good they will go to a better team not one that is going to be in a relegation battle.
No way will we get Grant & Deeney, it will be one or the other.
At the moment we have still got the same squad as last season with two minor additions, Kipre & Button. So if we play the same way we did at the end of last season with the same players..................... oh dear !!!
Playing 1 striker means you need your midfield to join him up front and we play with 2 defensive midfielders.
So perhaps we need to change the formation, play another striker at the expense of one of the defensive midfielders. We need to change something otherwise it could be very painful !!!
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Callum has the number 11 shirt. We've not retired it Jacko, I'm afraid.
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Callum has the number 11 shirt. We've not retired it Jacko, I'm afraid.
Grady has the 11 shirt, not Callum.
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Grady has the 11 shirt, not Callum.
going off the training pics from earlier today this is correct
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Can someone explain to me why we can’t play 4-4-2 when we are in possession with Robinson and ANother up top, hopefully with Grant.
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Can someone explain to me why we can’t play 4-4-2 when we are in possession with Robinson and ANother up top, hopefully with Grant.
Because midfield gets swamped. 4-4-2 is a relic.
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More strikers doesn't equal more goals. Equally, having a 4231 formation and two sitting midfielders doesn't mean you are more defensive.
442 is rigid.
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Grady has the 11 shirt, not Callum.
Oops, that's what I meant.
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Can someone explain to me why we can’t play 4-4-2 when we are in possession with Robinson and ANother up top, hopefully with Grant.
You stretch defences easier with 2 players going wide. 4-4-2 ends up far too bunched and easier to defend against.
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You stretch defences easier with 2 players going wide. 4-4-2 ends up far too bunched and easier to defend against.
If you strectch defences then you need players to capitalise on that like a strong runner from midfield, like Harvey Barnes. Otherwise it doesn't work.
2 up front means defenders need 3 men to look after them. You would never leave your defenders 1 on 1 with attackers. Your width comes from your full backs. We have 2 good full backs getting forward, Gibbs and furlong.
Playing with 1 up front you need a very good centre forward otherwise the ball is lost and it keeps coming back and putting your defence under more pressure.
This happened to us a lot last season especially near the end of the season.
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If you strectch defences then you need players to capitalise on that like a strong runner from midfield, like Harvey Barnes. Otherwise it doesn't work.
2 up front means defenders need 3 men to look after them. You would never leave your defenders 1 on 1 with attackers. Your width comes from your full backs. We have 2 good full backs getting forward, Gibbs and furlong.
Playing with 1 up front you need a very good centre forward otherwise the ball is lost and it keeps coming back and putting your defence under more pressure.
This happened to us a lot last season especially near the end of the season.
The only way you can play 2 strikers (as strikers) in the modern game is 3 at the back. And one of them still has to drop in when out of possession.
We aren't set up to play this way.
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The only way you can play 2 strikers (as strikers) in the modern game is 3 at the back. And one of them still has to drop in when out of possession.
We aren't set up to play this way.
Not true.
Everton spent the second half of last season playing 4-4-2, as did Leipzig.
Agree that we aren't set up to play this way.
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The only way you can play 2 strikers (as strikers) in the modern game is 3 at the back. And one of them still has to drop in when out of possession.
We aren't set up to play this way.
We're not set up to play 1 up front either. There is no one good enough to play that role and we won't get anyone either.
If we play like we did last season with the players we had we will struggle very badly. To get any type of success this season we need to change it around otherwise we get too predictable and teams will just pick us off.
No problem for me I enjoy playing in the Championship !!!
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I really like Robinson, he's a really hard worker and without him we'd still be in the Championship. He's a good age and is quite versatile. His finishing can be poor but sometimes when you get promoted you need grafters as well as technicians.
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Not true.
Everton spent the second half of last season playing 4-4-2, as did Leipzig.
Agree that we aren't set up to play this way.
Everton definitely didn't. They played 4-2-3-1.
We're not set up to play 1 up front either. There is no one good enough to play that role and we won't get anyone either.
If we play like we did last season with the players we had we will struggle very badly. To get any type of success this season we need to change it around otherwise we get too predictable and teams will just pick us off.
No problem for me I enjoy playing in the Championship !!!
The rest of our squad is set up to play 1 up front though. Agree we need Grant in at least.
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Sky saying the Burke deal is a loan but Robbo is a perm, that can’t be right surely?
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Sky saying the Burke deal is a loan but Robbo is a perm, that can’t be right surely?
I hope it’s not right.
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Sky saying the Burke deal is a loan but Robbo is a perm, that can’t be right surely?
Seems correct ,looks like we have been shafted!
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If you strectch defences then you need players to capitalise on that like a strong runner from midfield, like Harvey Barnes. Otherwise it doesn't work.
2 up front means defenders need 3 men to look after them. You would never leave your defenders 1 on 1 with attackers. Your width comes from your full backs. We have 2 good full backs getting forward, Gibbs and furlong.
Playing with 1 up front you need a very good centre forward otherwise the ball is lost and it keeps coming back and putting your defence under more pressure.
This happened to us a lot last season especially near the end of the season.
Yes you need two attacking fullbacks overlapping but that's not enough to stretch defences. Alot of fullbacks anyway release the ball too early from just over the halfway line which creates less danger. A centre forward (target man) certainly needs players close by to play it off to, but they can be midfielders. Robinson comes into that category.
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Sky saying the Burke deal is a loan but Robbo is a perm, that can’t be right surely?
If thats correct, its not that good after all.
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It's a terrible deal if it's only a loan. Robinson isn't good enough. The sweetener of Burke leaving permanently made it palatable. What is this now costing?
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If thats correct, its not that good after all.
It could be a great solution. What if, and it’s a big if, Wilder gets a tune out if Burke? Then we either get a better player back or we get a chance to sell for a bigger fee. Admittedly if he is still rubbish then we are stuck with him but at least we’ll have earned another loan fee (I assume).
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It could be a great solution. What if, and it’s a big if, Wilder gets a tune out if Burke? Then we either get a better player back or we get a chance to sell for a bigger fee. Admittedly if he is still rubbish then we are stuck with him but at least we’ll have earned another loan fee (I assume).
He will only have 12 months left then, no point in another loan after that. We might end up paying him to cancel his contract early!
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Masi saying he thinks it's permanent. Not sure he's looped in to be honest.
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The loan move would only make sense if there is just no other option. IMO you'd be a mug to take him on a perm with his recent record but hoping they do. Nothing personal against the lad but to me he is associated with the worst of TP's time here.
I'd be happy to see Robinson sign here either way. The management team know what qualities he has, so they must think he can do a job at this level, even if only as a squad player. And his goal sealed promotion (although that miss also lingers in the memory :o )
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Masi saying he thinks it's permanent. Not sure he's looped in to be honest.
I agree regarding Masi, seems slow to react with any ‘breaking news’ and always ends up repeating stuff that been reported elsewhere.
Percy seems most in the loop.
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I agree regarding Masi, seems slow to react with any ‘breaking news’ and always ends up repeating stuff that been reported elsewhere.
Percy seems most in the loop.
The club seem quite happy to keep the local rag reporters at more than arms length. Percy is the one i look for.
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In this day and age even a loan costs. If it’s a loan fee between 1 and 3 mil at least it reduces the cost of Robinson , if Wilder can get him playing there is always the chance he then signs him on a permanent deal or if he he does well we may have the option to recall . Hoping it’s a permanent deal but hey ho it maybe the loan is the best deal we can get !
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I knew this was too good to be true and signing Robinson on a permanent basis when it should be loan for a loan is bad and must only be forwarding thinking for relegation planning as he is proven in the second tier.
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I would have preferred a permanent arrangement. But I don't get why it is so bad if it's a loan arrangement.
As long as Robinson isn't costing us any more than Burke and Robinson is in the match day squad and likely to play at some stage of a game, where as Burke wouldn't even be in the squad and apart from wanting to get rid of Burke permanently, what is the big issue? Please, someone enlighten me.
We would still be in the plus side of this arrangement, surely!
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I would have preferred a permanent arrangement. But I don't get why it is so bad if it's a loan arrangement.
As long as Robinson isn't costing us any more than Burke and Robinson is in the match day squad and likely to play at some stage of a game, where as Burke wouldn't even be in the squad and apart from wanting to get rid of Burke permanently, what is the big issue? Please, someone enlighten me.
We would still be in the plus side of this arrangement, surely!
They won't be costing the same.
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I would have preferred a permanent arrangement. But I don't get why it is so bad if it's a loan arrangement.
As long as Robinson isn't costing us any more than Burke and Robinson is in the match day squad and likely to play at some stage of a game, where as Burke wouldn't even be in the squad and apart from wanting to get rid of Burke permanently, what is the big issue? Please, someone enlighten me.
We would still be in the plus side of this arrangement, surely!
I’m with you on this, it seems a reasonably good solution. Burke will either earn a transfer or we have just got half his outstanding wages paid
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We need to cut our losses with Burke. We cannot continue to keep loaning him to every Tom, dick and Harry Only for him to fail to impress. To have him return in any capacity I’d disappointing
I don’t particularly believe Robinson is a great footballer and nor does he posses any outstanding traits. He does, owever, offer more than Burke which is testament to how poor a footballer Burke is.
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We need to cut our losses with Burke. We cannot continue to keep loaning him to every Tom, dick and Harry Only for him to fail to impress. To have him return in any capacity I’d disappointing
I don’t particularly believe Robinson is a great footballer and nor does he posses any outstanding traits. He does, owever, offer more than Burke which is testament to how poor a footballer Burke is.
Its not necessarily in our gift to sell Burke though thats the problem. Lets face it we were all astonished that anyone would buy Burke - he's been that much of a disaster. A switch with Robinson who is head and shoulders above felt like a real result.
For me Robinson would immediately become our best striker if he joined, which says a lot for the current strikeforce - but if we sign someone like Grant then Robinson would become a really useful squad player - which is still a positive.
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They won't be costing the same.
Then what will the financial difference amount too?
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Loaning Burke seems to only have downside.
Firstly it probably means we will pay a reasonable fee for Robinson, which makes signing him much poorer which I think has already been highlighted. The only reason it was ok was because it got Burke off the books.
Secondly I’m sure Sheffield United will want an agreed fee. That means if he does miraculously look capable we will probably stung, if he fails to impress we end up with him back, with further decreased value.
We would be better loaning him to a Mid table championship side, where he might just manage to get his career going.
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I would have swapped him for Anne Robinson if it meant he was going to be for good.
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Madeley from the Athletic saying it should be all confirmed today and he believes both moves will be permanent.
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Interested to see how it is framed. The loan bit came from somewhere. The key is how much we are paying on top.
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Interested to see how it is framed. The loan bit came from somewhere. The key is how much we are paying on top.
Sky sources are the outlet who suggested the Burke side of the deal was a loan.
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Sky sources are the outlet who suggested the Burke side of the deal was a loan.
Would suggest it's come from the same source as the Diangana to Villa/Fulham nonsense.
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I think an announcement is imminent 🤞
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He’s back!
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Signed. No.7 shirt.
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Our own CR7! :D
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Welcome back!
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Welcome CR7!
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Adds versatility to our attack, with him being able to play as a centre forward, wide forward and nominally as a winger. Didn't hugely impress while on loan but did enough.
Hard to judge the deal without knowing how much wr have paid on top of the Burke swap, as if it's £2m or less then i think it's good business but anything else and it feels like we have over paid.
Happy enough with him coming, but at some point in this final month, wr need to improve the first team from last season, not just recreate it.
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He'll be more use than Burke, so I'm not disappointed in this one.
I think getting Burke out is the better part of the deal.
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He'll be more use than Burke, so I'm not disappointed in this one.
I think getting Burke out is the better part of the deal.
My thoughts completely. The key was finding somebody to take Burke, the fact that we've ended up with a half decent player in return (and by all accounts a key part of the dressing room) as part of the deal is just a BONUS!! There is a possibility we will see him starting up top if no further business is done before the season starts.
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My thoughts completely. The key was finding somebody to take Burke, the fact that we've ended up with a half decent player in return (and by all accounts a key part of the dressing room) as part of the deal is just a BONUS!! There is a possibility we will see him starting up top if no further business is done before the season starts.
still need striker, not the answer.
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Adds versatility to our attack, with him being able to play as a centre forward, wide forward and nominally as a winger. Didn't hugely impress while on loan but did enough.
Hard to judge the deal without knowing how much wr have paid on top of the Burke swap, as if it's £2m or less then i think it's good business but anything else and it feels like we have over paid.
Happy enough with him coming, but at some point in this final month, wr need to improve the first team from last season, not just recreate it.
No doubt about that. But at times we were a decent striker or two away from being a very good team and by all accounts that's the position we are now focusing on.
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still need striker, not the answer.
totally agree. but he might be the best option on the day with the alternatives being HRK and CA.
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Welcome back Callum. I'm happy about this. Is the Burke deal at Sheff U permanent??
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Welcome Callum and good luck, anyone know if it was straight swap or did we or they have to pay a fee?
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Welcome back Callum. I'm happy about this. Is the Burke deal at Sheff U permanent??
yes both permanent.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11661/12066486/oliver-burke-joins-sheffield-united-callum-robinson-moves-to-west-brom-in-swap-deal
Permanent according to this Sky article. Lovely bit of business. Unlike some on here I rate Robinson.
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Welcome Callum and good luck, anyone know if it was straight swap or did we or they have to pay a fee?
No both have gone through as undisclosed. Separate deals. We will be picking up a tab on the deal imo.
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still need striker, not the answer.
We do need a striker, but on the balance of it, Robinson is a better alternative to play there than Burke. It's better to have an interested player on your books than an uninterested one.
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Adds versatility to our attack, with him being able to play as a centre forward, wide forward and nominally as a winger. Didn't hugely impress while on loan but did enough.
Hard to judge the deal without knowing how much wr have paid on top of the Burke swap, as if it's £2m or less then i think it's good business but anything else and it feels like we have over paid.
Happy enough with him coming, but at some point in this final month, wr need to improve the first team from last season, not just recreate it.
not overly excited by this deal especially if funds are tight, we seem to have an abundance of wide men. We desperately need a striker and maybe even two. We look like a very good Championship team.
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Notice our two deals have been 5 year contracts. Trying to keep as much value for possible re-sale, of course the contracts will have flex down if get relegated but shrewd move in my my opinion.
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We are almost back to the squad we had last season - when we struggled to get over the line. Our owner needs to provide funds for a couple of quality players, including a striker, to ensure that we don’t come plummeting down again.
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We are almost back to the squad we had last season - when we struggled to get over the line. Our owner needs to provide funds for a couple of quality players, including a striker, to ensure that we don’t come plummeting down again.
The reality of the situation is, that just isn't going to happen, unfortunately
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We are almost back to the squad we had last season - when we struggled to get over the line. Our owner needs to provide funds for a couple of quality players, including a striker, to ensure that we don’t come plummeting down again.
There's not a penny coming from China i'm afraid which is why Dowling will have to be "creative" with the Grant transfer or move on. Unlike the fishy lot down the road we just can't overpay.
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Pleased with the deal as it gets Burke out of the club. Not entirely convinced by Robinson but a useful squad player all the same. He seemed to enjoy his time here and bought into the spirit of the team.
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totally agree. but he might be the best option on the day with the alternatives being HRK and CA.
this ain't good enough, not a striker played 16 times for us last season with 3 goals to his name.
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Local journos saying it's a straight swap with various clauses. Don't believe them for a minute.
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this ain't good enough, not a striker played 16 times for us last season with 3 goals to his name.
still agreeing! but those are the likely options come Leicester.
All the indications are that they are trying to get Grant in but Huddersfield are playing the market hoping to up the fee. But we just haven't got that kind of cash so its a stand-off. Based on Villa's valuation on Watkins Grant is worth £20m plus but we all know that isn't the case. Ideal scenario would be for Hudds to take Zohore off our hands in another part ex but don't think we can be that lucky twice. In the meantime, i'm pleased to see Robinson back and would be happy for him to be given an opportunity until that specialist striker comes in.
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Very pleased with this. Useful and versatile player underrated by some on here. Get in a striker and a defensive midfielder (I'm resigned to the fact that we're not getting in a goalie) and I feel we might surprise a few this season.
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He has been given the Number 7 shirt....
so no Krovinovic???
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Little stat just flagged up to me.
Watkins - 24 years old - 45 championship goals in 132 appearances for Brentford. Robinson - 25 years old - 29 championship goals in 110 appearances for Preston. Robinson has 1 premier league goal as well. Also 1 international goal
Not saying they should be compared and Watkins may be/potentially be a much much better player, but thats £30m compared to getting Ollie Burke off the payroll. Seems like good business to me.
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Masi is reporting that it is near enough a straight swap, albeit there are the normal appearance clauses etc in the deals (so we will probably end up paying more for Robbo than they will for Burke. Still, that feels like a good deal if it is fairly like for like.
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Hope we gave the Burke his one-way bus fare to Sheffield.
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No great shakes but a useful and versatile player who will contribute more than Oli Burke so a good deal overall.
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A five year deal in the current climate seems excessive.
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A five year deal in the current climate seems excessive.
Protects his value, gives us his best years. No issue.
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What's he going to be 30-40k p/w? Is that roughly the same as Burke? I'd happily give Sheffield 2-3m and Burke and have a straight wage swap.
I do think he has great rapport with Pereira and Diang, I do think that is sometimes worth something even if it costs a bit of money.
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On paper it’s not a massive signing but this fella fits in well to our squad and adds a bit of pace and movement wherever he plays, which we desperately lacked at times towards the end of the season.
To swap him with Burke is a really good deal from my perspective- I actually think Burke will probably play well in Wilders system too so all parties happy.
Keeps some good squad harmony and what we need now is a couple more bits of quality to marry it together.
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Welcome Callum.
I know who's got the best deal here.
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I actually think that is a fantastic bit of housekeeping, gets Burke of the payroll - God knows what Wilder is thinking, does he remember his purple patch at Forest or something, or fancies he can use him as an impact sub?
Robinson could be the new Ally Brown, unsung but knows what he is doing.
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Protects his value, gives us his best years. No issue.
Serious questions about his ability and probably on a reasonable salary given he signed a four year deal at Sheffield United when his stock was higher and the game was more flush.
I don’t rate CR but If it really is a straight swap it’s a pretty good deal though I guess. Given Burke was effectively a total write off and people were talking about CR costing anywhere from £5-£8m. Chances are nobody else was going to give us £4-5m for Burke.
I’m dubious the club are going to give us the full truth though. I know they don’t have too, but it makes it quite difficult to really judge this deal.
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I don't get the serious questions about his ability? He's not as good as Periera or Diangana, but I thought he did a better job than Phillips and Grosicki. He also did a better job than the rest of our strike force when he was played up top. It's not a worldie of a signing, but he's certainly capable of doing a job for us. I've no doubt contracts we're signing will have flex down clauses if we get relegated.
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Welcome Callum, glad to have you back
decent signing, and with Burke gone aswell this makes the transfer even better.
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I don't get the serious questions about his ability? He's not as good as Periera or Diangana, but I thought he did a better job than Phillips and Grosicki. He also did a better job than the rest of our strike force when he was played up top. It's not a worldie of a signing, but he's certainly capable of doing a job for us. I've no doubt contracts we're signing will have flex down clauses if we get relegated.
How many minutes did he play call vs how many he could have?
Like Krov, he was never able to nail a position in the side. The side was also struggling for majority of his time with us.
If it’s a Burke swap it’s a decent deal, but CR has a lot to do to prove he is anything more than a mid table championship player
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How many minutes did he play call how many could he?
Like Krov, he was never able to nail a position in the side. The side was also struggling for majority of his time with us.
If it’s a Burke swap it’s a decent deal, but CR has a lot to do to prove he is anything more than a mid table championship player
Massi confirms no transfer fee so great bit of business: "Lots of questions about Robinson/Burke fees. I understand it is a straight swap with no transfer fee."
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Welcome back Callum Robinson. I do like him and hope he’ll develop with regular game time this season.
My only other ask is for Ollie Burke to have an amazing debut on Monday and score 2-3 goals.
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Massi confirms no transfer fee so great bit of business: "Lots of questions about Robinson/Burke fees. I understand it is a straight swap with no transfer fee."
To some extent we have to accept the party line, but don’t forget the club / journalists have also published Stories about Zohore at £8 and Ideye at £10m in the past, until the those numbers didn’t suit the agenda.
Do I think we could demand £5m for Burke though, no. Does it seem reasonable SUFC would want £5m for CR, yes.
So something doesn’t quite add up.
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Welcome home Callum & im sure you have a bright future ahead of yourself
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To some extent we have to accept the party line, but don’t forget the club / journalists have also published Stories about Zohore at £8 and Ideye at £10m in the past, until the those numbers didn’t suit the agenda.
Do I think we could demand £5m for Burke though, no. Does it seem reasonable SUFC would want £5m for CR, yes.
So something doesn’t quite add up.
Wilder obviously likes Burke and the clubs were happy to swap. probably tax savings for both that way. Its a great deal for us.
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Our squad is going to be exceptional for the Championship 2021/22.
That isn't a criticism by the way, sadly we just do not have the billionaire owners of Leeds/the Vile etc and have to cut our cloth accordingly. I welcome anyone playing up front that isn't HRK this season and have faith in Bilic to work a miracle with the current squad.
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He offers more than Burke in both divisions. Should we be relegated then we do have someone who has shown he is capable in this division.
Whether he is PL quality I’m not sure, but given we’ve got Burke off the books then it looks a good deal on paper.
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I like him. Granted, he's a bit limited but adds depth to the squad, versatility to the front line and ultimately improves our striking options.
Time to move on HRK and Zohore, bring in a quality starter up front and i'm then happy with a front line of new starter (Grant?) Robinson (covering wide attacking areas too) and Austin. I'd be even happier if we improved on Austin but equally as a third choice I'd be ok with it.
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good acquisition, great divestment, happy days
Welcome back Callum ! Now lets see you rip a few defences a new one !
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He's a good squad player, and there's bound to be loads of times during games or when there are injuries to use him. He can also play in several positions.
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Despite what Joe Masi said, Chris Wilder has said on the official club website that "we have traded Oli, plus a couple of quid on top", so we have paid a fee of some sorts.
Will probably be revealed in a few years time.
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Echo what others have said, may be successful for us in the Pl but at least we know he will be successful for us should we go down. Also at a good age etc...
Interesting that Dowling referenced Robinson playing centrally on the official website, I expect him to be one of our three options up top.
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Welcome to the club. He'll be a useful squad player and I hope he'll do really well for us. Burke proved to be of no real use to us so this seems to be a decent transaction. No complaints.
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Whatever else he does for us, and I hope that is a lot, I will always remember his celebrating in front of the empty brummie after scoring against Qpr.
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Whatever else he does for us, and I hope that is a lot, I will always remember his celebrating in front of the empty brummie after scoring against Qpr.
Yes , nice touch that. I really think some on here are a bit over critical of Callum. I think he will chip in with a few goals this season.
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In my opinion this guy will be more important that Diangana this season..v underrated by mist but his engine,flexibility and positioning will shine though.
He had one game through the centre..a real pressure game,made one scored one ..
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Excellent bit of business, if played through the middle I think it solves our striker crisis a little, of course we still need a proper CF in.
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Yes also easies the strengthens our negotiating position for a striker somewhat. If you have a viable backup option you can live with for a few weeks, means the other club can not play as much hardball.
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He’s better on the wing than some of the other options and better up front than most other options we have. Decent enough signing for me. There’s something about his personality that I really really like, he wants to be here and wants to do well here, there’s a lot to be said for that and he’s clearly popular within the club.
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In my opinion this guy will be more important that Diangana this season..v underrated by mist but his engine,flexibility and positioning will shine though.
He had one game through the centre..a real pressure game,made one scored one ..
And missed an absolute sitter
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Did the business in the championship and we may well be there in 12 months. If you look at the long term project we are still bringing the average age down and clearing out the deadwood
He can play anywhere across the front 4 which gives us a lot of flexibility.
Also burke off the payroll he didnt contribute so to get robinson in without paying out any money is awesome business really. Good job Ken and Dowling
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And missed an absolute sitter
I’m sure can provide a full listing of professional strikers that have never missed a chance..🙄
Why can’t our fans be more negative?
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I’m sure can provide a full listing of professional strikers that have never missed a chance..🙄
Why can’t our fans be more negative?
It is a fair point though. The one chance he had up top he missed a 1 on 1 (whuch might suggest he isn't a natural finisher).
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And missed an absolute sitter
How many sitters did our front 3 miss all season?
Are we judging a forward because he missed one easy chance? Seriously????
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It is a fair point though. The one chance he had up top he missed a 1 on 1 (whuch might suggest he isn't a natural finisher).
It is a ridiculous point. He also scored and created one. He was also a massive improvement on our existing strikers with his movement, his pace, his ability to actually pass to team mates.
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It is a fair point though. The one chance he had up top he missed a 1 on 1 (whuch might suggest he isn't a natural finisher).
Missing one chance might suggest he’s not a natural finisher? That’s ridiculous. He also scored in that game. Playing devils advocate I could say his movement to run off the centre back and stay onside giving Grady a straight forward ball to play into him was indicative of a natural finisher.
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Missing one chance might suggest he’s not a natural finisher? That’s ridiculous. He also scored in that game. Playing devils advocate I could say his movement to run off the centre back and stay onside giving Grady a straight forward ball to play into him was indicative of a natural finisher.
To say he is a natural finisher is quite a stretch. If we discount his fractured season last year, and his younger years, his record for Preston was:
16/17 42 app 10 goals
17/18 41 app 7 goals
18/19 27 app 12 goals
In a mediocre championship side like Preston it’s not terrible, but it doesn’t suggest he ever has been or ever will be a natural goal scorer!
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Only time will tell.
There is no way he can play the lone striker role in the premiership. That position is for exceptional centre forwards, who we can't afford any of them.
Could play as a front 2 if we play 2 up front. A lot of people on here say we can't play 2 up front, its not the modern way to play, etc etc. But do you remember Gayle and Rodriguez ............. say no more.
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To say he is a natural finisher is quite a stretch. If we discount his fractured season last year, and his younger years, his record for Preston was:
16/17 42 app 10 goals
17/18 41 app 7 goals
18/19 27 app 12 goals
In a mediocre championship side like Preston it’s not terrible, but it doesn’t suggest he ever has been or ever will be a natural goal scorer!
in those 3 seasons he played as a CF 37 times scoring 12 goals with 9 assists. So a 1 in 3 goal rate as the main striker
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It is a ridiculous point. He also scored and created one. He was also a massive improvement on our existing strikers with his movement, his pace, his ability to actually pass to team mates.
The original point was how good he was in a 'clutch' game.
I was pointing out that he also missed a sitter in that same clutch game.
And if we're using the rest of our front 3 as a benchmark for good strikers then god help us. I don't recall Diangana missing many sitters across the whole season.
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Look he played well against QPR, worst defence in the league by a mile and don't sit in, and missed 2 glorious chances to send us up without waiting on Brentford.
He's not the answer up front.
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Look he played well against QPR, worst defence in the league by a mile and don't sit in, and missed 2 glorious chances to send us up without waiting on Brentford.
He's not the answer up front.
This. He's at his best cutting in from the left in a 4-3-3. As a short-term option upfront he's OK.
There is a reason Wilder was willing to let him go.
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The original point was how good he was in a 'clutch' game.
I was pointing out that he also missed a sitter in that same clutch game.
And if we're using the rest of our front 3 as a benchmark for good strikers then god help us. I don't recall Diangana missing many sitters across the whole season.
I do. I remember him failing to connect properly twice from about six yards when he should have scored on both occasions. Cant remember who against though. One was at the Hawthorns, Brummie Road end.
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Nobody is saying he's the best striker we could possibly sign.
It's simply that he's not as bad as it's made out despite missing a chance against QPR. To use that one chance - and I don't recall another glorious chance - is just ridiculous. He offered enough all round to show that he's not the worst option we'd have in there.
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This. He's at his best cutting in from the left in a 4-3-3. As a short-term option upfront he's OK.
There is a reason Wilder was willing to let him go.
Because Wilder made a mistake. He is the manager that is probably most heavily involved in his club's recruitment process and he does get a lot right but he does drop an occasional bollock.
From the outside I couldn't see how Robinson fitted in at Sheffield United nor for that matter could I see how Luke Freeman did either. Both have left the club without playing much football.
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This. He's at his best cutting in from the left in a 4-3-3. As a short-term option upfront he's OK.
There is a reason Wilder was willing to let him go.
The same Wilder who has signed Burke, not sure how highly I would value his opinion
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Because Wilder made a mistake. He is the manager that is probably most heavily involved in his club's recruitment process and he does get a lot right but he does drop an occasional bollock.
From the outside I couldn't see how Robinson fitted in at Sheffield United nor for that matter could I see how Luke Freeman did either. Both have left the club without playing much football.
He signed him as a striker. Can't you see the similarities between that and what many on this thread are suggesting?
The same Wilder who has signed Burke, not sure how highly I would value his opinion
Yeah, he's done a rubbish job hasn't he... He let him go because he wasn't deemed good enough playing as a central striker for a team in the PL. I like Robinson, out wide cutting in he's a good option and he's an upgrade on Burke as he at the very least wants to be here.
I am worried for us if we're pinning all our hopes on him as our central striker this season, based on one performance against one of the worst defences in the Championship.
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Sheff Utd fans have seen him much like we've seen Burke. They all seem to categorically agree he's best out wide of the 3 and isn't a main striker so I'll take that opinion in general.
As Jacko says he is not our answer for the goalscorer/striker we need (bur I think we'd all agree).
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He signed him as a striker. Can't you see the similarities between that and what many on this thread are suggesting?
Yeah, he's done a rubbish job hasn't he... He let him go because he wasn't deemed good enough playing as a central striker for a team in the PL. I like Robinson, out wide cutting in he's a good option and he's an upgrade on Burke as he at the very least wants to be here.
I am worried for us if we're pinning all our hopes on him as our central striker this season, based on one performance against one of the worst defences in the Championship.
Never said he hasn't done a good job. Him doing a good job suggests a lot of things, what it doesn't necessarily suggest is that his overall judgement of players, particularly players that might be effective playing in a system he doesn't play, is to be coveted above all else. It doesn't bother me one jot what Wilder thinks about anyone, and I wouldn't use his judgement alone as evidence for anything.
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And if missing a single chance means we can write a forward off as not being good enough - well, where do we find this amazing striker that never misses any chances? How much will he cost?
If we gave him a good run up top, like 10-15 matches, and he kept on missing sitters, then I'll be the first to criticise him. I was very critical of Rondon because he kept missing sitter after sitter.
After 1 game, and 1 easy chance I'll think I'll hold off on my criticism.
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If we gave him a good run up top, like 10-15 matches, and he kept on missing sitters, then I'll be the first to criticise him. I was very critical of Rondon because he kept missing sitter after sitter.
You mean like Wilder did last season?
Never said he hasn't done a good job. Him doing a good job suggests a lot of things, what it doesn't necessarily suggest is that his overall judgement of players, particularly players that might be effective playing in a system he doesn't play, is to be coveted above all else. It doesn't bother me one jot what Wilder thinks about anyone, and I wouldn't use his judgement alone as evidence for anything.
See above. Last season Robinson had a run of games playing centrally in the PL and was deemed ineffectual to the point where he was allowed to leave the club.
I reiterate, Robinson is a decent player and out wide we will see the best of him.
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Welcome back to the club Callum. Here's hoping you perform to the best of your abilities and do the business in whichever position you find yourself playing. And don't forget to SOTV both at the Hawthorns and on your return to Vile Park, there's a good lad 8) .
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There's no way Robinson has been signed as a striker, he may be utilised there at times, but will mostly be used as a winger.
We will bring in at least one recognised striker before the window closes IMO.
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And if missing a single chance means we can write a forward off as not being good enough - well, where do we find this amazing striker that never misses any chances? How much will he cost?
If we gave him a good run up top, like 10-15 matches, and he kept on missing sitters, then I'll be the first to criticise him. I was very critical of Rondon because he kept missing sitter after sitter.
After 1 game, and 1 easy chance I'll think I'll hold off on my criticism.
In fairness; post-restart Robinson was the only one of our front-men who was getting into positions to have "sitters". Robson-Kanu and Austin (Zohore barely played) lacked the movement to connect with a lot of the openings created by Pereira.
Again though; we do need someone else to lead the line for us. See Robinson as a useful addition to squad who may not be on first team but can contribute regularly as replacement and adding cover for injuries/suspensions.
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In fairness; post-restart Robinson was the only one of our front-men who was getting into positions to have "sitters". Robson-Kanu and Austin (Zohore barely played) lacked the movement to connect with a lot of the openings created by Pereira.
Again though; we do need someone else to lead the line for us. See Robinson as a useful addition to squad who may not be on first team but can contribute regularly as replacement and adding cover for injuries/suspensions.
I agree with this and would add that he would be useful to throw on alongside a new CF when chasing a game, we know SB is not afraid to go gung ho when required
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Look he played well against QPR, worst defence in the league by a mile and don't sit in, and missed 2 glorious chances to send us up without waiting on Brentford.
He's not the answer up front.
He might not be but I think his profile is more suited to us. Someone comfortable with the ball in to feet and can be a threat in behind.
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I think he's a good squad player but no way is he a proper winger. A proper winger can get around the outside of backs to get crosses in, whereas he nearly always cuts inside.
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It is entirely possible to hold the opinion that Chris Wilder is a very good football coach while holding the view that Chris Wilder made a mistake in bringing Callum Robinson to Sheffield United last summer.
I think we can agree that Robinson's best position is wide left in a 4-3-3. He also can play anywhere across the 3 behind a lone striker. This is where he will play with us in hopefully a fluid combination with Pereira and Diangana. He also can fill in as a striker not the lead striker perhaps but someone who can do a job.
Let's look at Sheffield United who set up as a 3-5-2. Whatever he is he is not a wing back so that's both wide positions closed out. The central midfield is occupied by 3 fairly similar central midfielders. If he was bought as a number 9 they also bought McBurnie and Mouset so at best he was option 3 there and that is without considering the McGoldrick role which is a slightly withdrawn second striker who is largely on the pitch for his hold up play (not something I would earmark Robinson for)
Given the above is it any wonder that he "failed" at Sheffield United and yes Wilder who has a very clear vision as to how he wants to set up has on occasion bought in players that simply don't fit.
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You mean like Wilder did last season?
See above. Last season Robinson had a run of games playing centrally in the PL and was deemed ineffectual to the point where he was allowed to leave the club.
I reiterate, Robinson is a decent player and out wide we will see the best of him.
He played in 16 matches for Sheff Utd last season 11 as a centre forward, totalling 676; mins not sure if he missed any sitters as stats don't show that. A number of players struggle in their first season in the Premier league.
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He played in 16 matches for Sheff Utd last season 11 as a centre forward, totalling 676; mins not sure if he missed any sitters as stats don't show that. A number of players struggle in their first season in the Premier league.
None of the Sheff Utd strikers did much in their system. They had one of the lowest shots on goal stats in the premiership. Their success was based of being very solid and tight defensively. Robinson is obviously a great deal for us, swapping him for Burke. He's versatile, can play across the front line or in the hole and if he's not first choice will be a good sub option as well. As for the original poster trying to write him off based on one miss that's an embarrassment.
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None of the Sheff Utd strikers did much in their system. They had one of the lowest shots on goal stats in the premiership. Their success was based of being very solid and tight defensively. Robinson is obviously a great deal for us, swapping him for Burke. He's versatile, can play across the front line or in the hole and if he's not first choice will be a good sub option as well. As for the original poster trying to write him off based on one miss that's an embarrassment.
I still absolutely agree with you that we've had the better deal out of this.
But my post was in relation to the fact that he was being deemed a great signing based off one goal in a clutch game, surely if basing whether it is a good signing off one miss is embarrassing, basing it on one goal is just as embarrassing?
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Chris Wilder and his set up is no different to pulis's imo.
Furthermore, I suggest Wilder had the same issue as Pulis in spitting good forward talent.
McBurnie is a waste of money imo and he overpaid for Mousett. Add to that other failed forward signings from last season in the form of robbo and freeman.
They are still relying on mcgoldrick and sharpe.
Hopefully, Robbo will have a point to prove and can also improve given he is only 25.
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Chris Wilder and his set up is no different to pulis's imo.
Furthermore, I suggest Wilder had the same issue as Pulis in spitting good forward talent.
McBurnie is a waste of money imo and he overpaid for Mousett. Add to that other failed forward signings from last season in the form of robbo and freeman.
They are still relying on mcgoldrick and sharpe.
Hopefully, Robbo will have a point to prove and can also improve given he is only 25.
Wilder is vastly different to Pulis in that they have an innovative plan of attack that works against big and small teams alike. They create overloads in wide areas, often with a CM or CB joining the attack on that side to overwhelm the defence and create shooting opportunities.
It worked very well for much of last season but their post- lockdown form suggests they may have been found out.
Anyway, Robinson is a half decent option for us. I would expect around 5 goals from him this year, maybe a couple more depending on minutes.
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Only reservations I had about his signing was his finishing but two great goals today.
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He's done more in 45? Minutes than Burke did in 3 years.
Thank God that deal got done.
Silva had Lewdonski in his pocket in the champions league final, but our callum showed him up for the spent force he is now.
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Took his goals well tonight and performances improved overall. Keep it up.
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2 good finishes.
Not getting carried away, Bamford has scored twice this season ;D
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2 good finishes and has already done more than burke in his albion career. And I am happy to have him as second choice this year.
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Is he on loan or ours?
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Is he on loan or ours?
Ours
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Top quality finishes tonight. No doubt he is the best of our centre forward options and he's good enough to be an option in this league.
However, we need more options and at least one more striker to come in.
Once HRK and Phillips came on tonight (WHY?) any remote chance we had of scoring again completely went.
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Yep soon as HRK came on we were done.
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I'm yet to see him play upfront by himself and not look quality.
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Great night for Robinson and our club tonight ruined by our keeper, or lack of.
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Would anyone have backed our other strikers to slot those 2 chances away? Especially the one on one with the keeper for the 2nd. I'm not even sure that many of the names being linked with the vacant striker's position would have managed it.
I like his mobility and his ability to get shots away.
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Really rate this guy honestly. Really think he's up there with J-rod in terms of quality. Another striker would be great but i feel a defensive midfielder is needed. Our front three can definetly score but it doesn't matter if we let in 3+ goals every game
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Really rate this guy honestly. Really think he's up there with J-rod in terms of quality. Another striker would be great but i feel a defensive midfielder is needed. Our front three can definetly score but it doesn't matter if we let in 3+ goals every game
Don’t forget we have Gallagher to come in. Not so much defensive but defiantly offers us something different in the middle.
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Really rate this guy honestly. Really think he's up there with J-rod in terms of quality. Another striker would be great but i feel a defensive midfielder is needed. Our front three can definetly score but it doesn't matter if we let in 3+ goals every game
Exactly this...I’d be happy not to sign a striker if we could get a Kante type in
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Very good today. Still need another striker. We can’t keep relying on Kanu - it’s nuts. Must add quality to our striking options, but certainly Robinson is looking better as a striker and with more time learning the role he could maybe get to double figures if he gets enough starts
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Very good today. Still need another striker. We can’t keep relying on Kanu - it’s nuts. Must add quality to our striking options, but certainly Robinson is looking better as a striker and with more time learning the role he could maybe get to double figures if he gets enough starts
Absolutely fantastic finishes today, a lot left to do on both goals after the initial errors and more to come i think. I get that Hal came on to provide legs and try and hold up the ball but the real problem is that once he is up top there is absolutely zero threat coming through the middle. With a team pushing like Chelsea were yesterday you defend from the front by maintaining the ability to break on them and nick another.
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Since moving to the striker role he has started 4 games and had 15 mins as sub in a cup game and has scored four goals. That’s a very good return. Clearly it won’t stay that way but definitely encouraging. Good for him.
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Ours
Can we change the thread heading then please ;D
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Can we change the thread heading then please ;D
Yes it stopped me in my tracks too!
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Can we change the thread heading then please ;D
Done :D
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Seems he has tested positive for COVID, looks like we have Charlie Austin up front for Burnley
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/callum-robinson-and-john-egan-among-five-ireland-players-to-miss-wales-clash-due-to-positive-covid-test-39610058.html
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Seems he has tested positive for COVID, looks like we have Charlie Austin up front for Burnley
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/callum-robinson-and-john-egan-among-five-ireland-players-to-miss-wales-clash-due-to-positive-covid-test-39610058.html
Absolute shame...our other strikers aren't a patch on Robinson. We've got no luck this season.
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Seems he has tested positive for COVID, looks like we have Charlie Austin up front for Burnley
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/callum-robinson-and-john-egan-among-five-ireland-players-to-miss-wales-clash-due-to-positive-covid-test-39610058.html
He’s been around someone who has tested positive doesn’t say he has tested positive.... yet.
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Being reported he and others are out because they have been in contact with somebody that has returned a positive test
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Being reported he and others are out because they have been in contact with somebody that has returned a positive test
You're right. It's literally in the article above that he is one of the players who was in close contact with someone who has since tested positive
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So he will be unavailable for the Burnley game, I think?
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So he will be unavailable for the Burnley game, I think?
Will he not just have a test and that will be the end of the matter?
Isolate if he’s positive etc.
In any event, at least we have a plethora of options upfront thanks to our proactive recruitment this summer...
Oh.
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Burnley is a must win game and here we go starting up front with Austin or Zohore. Zohore will certainly be less than motivated given he knows he's not in Billic's plans. So its Charlie then.
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Charlie might well be gone by then and Zohore. We are playing after the window shuts. That's 90k per week off the books. 3m quid saved. The board will be all over it.
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Will he not just have a test and that will be the end of the matter?
Isolate if he’s positive etc.
In any event, at least we have a plethora of options upfront thanks to our proactive recruitment this summer...
Oh.
I maybe wrong but when I came back from Jersey recently. I had a test and self isolated for 5 days and then had a second test which was negative so all was well.
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Football not like the real world he will be tested again if hes positive that's when we have issues.
We really need to sign a striker early this week and stop fannying about
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We really need to sign a striker early this week and stop fannying about
Between this and Hal if we don't do something rapido - and ideally we should have signed two by now - then I throw in the towel for this season. Albion management, you have completely done my head in.
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Between this and Hal if we don't do something rapido - and ideally we should have signed two by now - then I throw in the towel for this season. Albion management, you have completely done my head in.
Towel was chucked in a while ago, this season is to collect money for the next IMO, with all the dead wood gone at the end of this season, and theres a lot of it, we should be a major force in the EFL, if the moneys put back into the squad of course.
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Joseph Masi Twitter Account
Covid isolation means Callum Robinson is a doubt for Albion's clash with Burnley
Source: https://expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/10/13/covid-isolation-puts-callum-robinson-in-doubt-for-west-broms-clash-with-burnley/
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Steve Madeley
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Callum O’Dowda, who was in the same ‘close contact’ group as Callum Robinson, IS on the Bristol C bench today. Flies in the face of what we understood the rules to be but encouraging for #WBA
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Steve Madeley
@SteveMadeley78
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Callum O’Dowda, who was in the same ‘close contact’ group as Callum Robinson, IS on the Bristol C bench today. Flies in the face of what we understood the rules to be but encouraging for #WBA
Callum Robinson is still self isolating so he won't be involved on Monday afternoon (very unlikely I would say)
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Callum Robinson is still self isolating so he won't be involved on Monday afternoon (very unlikely I would say)
Steve Madeley
@SteveMadeley78
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And now Egan starts for Sheff Utd! No idea what’s changed but it’s good news for Albion and
@CallumRobinson7
. #WBA
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I would say Austin will start as the lone striker with Grant on the bench.
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I would say Austin will start as the lone striker with Grant on the bench.
Even though Robinson and Grant are available i suppose asking them to do 90 minutes might be a bit much.
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Thought he was outstanding first half today. Best I’ve seen him play.
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Thought he was outstanding first half today. Best I’ve seen him play.
Good player, great bit of business, however always seems to be subbed by Slaven, absolutely no reason for that today.
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Thought he was outstanding first half today. Best I’ve seen him play.
Thought he was outstanding in the last match of last season, was outstanding vs Chelsea...so it was only correct that he was shortly after to be dropped ...
He’s way better than he gets credit for and should be starting every match at the moment.
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I thought he was decent last year but I wasn’t completely sold on him. However since he has moved to the striker role he has really come on. I liked the formation and his performance today. Problem is how you get Pereira in that formation.
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I think we’re a better team with Callum Robinson in it.
Enthusiasm, desire and always looks forward.
I’d be starting him moving forwards.
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id start him every game, we are definitely better with him I the side.
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I think we’re a better team with Callum Robinson in it.
Enthusiasm, desire and always looks forward.
I’d be starting him moving forwards.
Been our best player so far this season and one of the of the only ones who still looks confident.
He was harshly dropped for the Burnley game as it was
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Robinson looks tidy, positive and capable, he makes the team more effective. Him and Krov need to play regardless of who else gets the nod, and at the moment I would also include Gallagher in this. Set the team up around these three, put Button in goal and start from there
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Could play him on the right, Pereira behind Grant and drop Livermore. Can't see it happening though.
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I haven't watched the PPV games, but from what I saw before he was impressing me.
I wasn't keen on signing him this summer because I doubted his ability to make the step up. Jury is still out of course, but if any of our forwards look likely to, it's him.
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Robbo and Krov have been pleasant surprises.
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Could play him on the right, Pereira behind Grant and drop Livermore. Can't see it happening though.
Or Robbo and Diangana inverted wingers. Some of Diangana's best performances last year were on the right.
Both cutting in and and offering more of a goal threat while moving Pereira to the middle and Livermore to the bench, what's not to like!?
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Or Robbo and Diangana inverted wingers. Some of Diangana's best performances last year were on the right.
Both cutting in and and offering more of a goal threat while moving Pereira to the middle and Livermore to the bench, what's not to like!?
100% agree but Bilic wont while Livermores got the armband
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Or Robbo and Diangana inverted wingers. Some of Diangana's best performances last year were on the right.
Both cutting in and and offering more of a goal threat while moving Pereira to the middle and Livermore to the bench, what's not to like!?
I thought when we were building the squad this had the best balance to it, would work as Grant likes to drift left too so could dovetail with Robinson. Unfortunately we haven't sorted out the positions behind to play this way effectively, we need a mobile ball winner in the axis as an absolute minimum.
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Pulled from the Ireland squad after positive Covid-19 test....
That's 3 first team players now. Doesn't look good
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Pulled from the Ireland squad after positive Covid-19 test....
That's 3 first team players now. Doesn't look good
2nd time this has happened now. False positive last time I believe. This testing lark isn't all it's cracked up to be. ;)
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Pulled from the Ireland squad after positive Covid-19 test....
That's 3 first team players now. Doesn't look good
Should all be fit for United apparently
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At least we're now getting some positive results this season ;D
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Should all be fit for United apparently
Yes there's enough time to get them all back.
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Robinson for me needs to start over grant. He has confidence and a never say die attitude. Even today when we had no chance he was battling away and created a created a great chance nobody gambled
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Robinson for me needs to start over grant. He has confidence and a never say die attitude. Even today when we had no chance he was battling away and created a created a great chance nobody gambled
Agree, he's been the only impressive forward so far. Beggars belief that Grady started today, Bilic 100% does not pick players in form
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Since he was moved to the striker role he’s been excellent. Our best striker at the moment and also very clever in his build up play. I’d definitely be starting him in a two with Grant.
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Since he was moved to the striker role he’s been excellent. Our best striker at the moment and also very clever in his build up play. I’d definitely be starting him in a two with Grant.
I'd be starting him as he looks lively, turns defenders and can play in any position across the front. As I feared in the summer, Grant looks very one paced and not very clever at finding spaces from which he can be threatening. I think we should give it a go with 2 wingers, say Diangana and Grosicki, with Robinson down the middle. Bring Grant on after 60 minutes if its not working.
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Feel sorry for him, I wasn't his biggest fan last season but looks our only player who looks like they have any confidence and seems up for it. 5-1 down when he came on and he still looked busy and neater than any other player. Feel he never should of been dropped for Grant in the first place but when you spend money on a player, you have to play him. Needs another run upfront in the next few games.
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Feel sorry for him, I wasn't his biggest fan last season but looks our only player who looks like they have any confidence and seems up for it. 5-1 down when he came on and he still looked busy and neater than any other player. Feel he never should of been dropped for Grant in the first place but when you spend money on a player, you have to play him. Needs another run upfront in the next few games.
Correct. Play him and Grant together. He can't do it by himself.
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In the first half last night acting as our main striker he looked like a schoolboy on trial with no physicality.
To be fair on the wing he was far better in the second half and he has scored 2 goals against Chelsea hit the bar against Man U and had a fine strike disallowed.
If we are to play him we must have a strong hopefully quick striker to trouble the opposition defence and this might give a target for Pereira and Gallagher to aim for and this might take some of the pressure off the defence,
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In the first half last night acting as our main striker he looked like a schoolboy on trial with no physicality.
To be fair on the wing he was far better in the second half and he has scored 2 goals against Chelsea hit the bar against Man U and had a fine strike disallowed.
If we are to play him we must have a strong hopefully quick striker to trouble the opposition defence and this might give a target for Pereira and Gallagher to aim for and this might take some of the pressure off the defence,
I thought he really tried last night and agree he was better on the left. He starts ahead of Diangana next game in my view.
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Yeah he would start on the wing for me. Tries to make things happen and puts a shift in so streets ahead of 90% of the squad.
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Think he's one of a few players who does show commitment and effort.I'd certainly prefer him over the disastrous Diangana who looks totally shot.
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Robinson's movement is excellent at times, must start next game.
Very good today.
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Robinson's movement is excellent at times, must start next game.
Very good today.
Agreed. He has a clever knack of pulling into space. Just before halt-time Sawyers shanked a shot from the edge of the box wide. If you watch it back you will see Robinson cleverly pull away at the far post, completely free. All he needed was the pass from Sawyers who didn't see the bigger picture and made a mess of his shot.
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Robinson's movement is excellent at times, must start next game.
Very good today.
Yes definitely agree and I think this pretty much every time he plays. It’s funny how at the beginning of the season the consensus from fans was Robinson being a squad player and now he’s (rightly) being protected from FA cup games.
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Yep did very well to draw those dingles into fouling him. Played his part again.
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Loved the link up between Robinson and MP when we went 3-2 up and Robinson came to ball then drifted behind Coady when MP signalled it. It was a perfect ball and run, shame he dragged his shot wide
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The thing I like about his movement is he's good off the ball too. Watch his movement when he's blocking off avenues for the defender's passing. He's constantly looking to make sure he's making the defender's job is as difficult as possible.
I'd also say that he's the only player we have, who plays up top, that would have won those pens today.
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For me theres one other who wins those...Kanu.
Robinson isnt a direct replacement for Kanu as they hold different skill sets but the ability to make those subtle runs off the ball is what makes them very similar.
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Yes definitely agree and I think this pretty much every time he plays. It’s funny how at the beginning of the season the consensus from fans was Robinson being a squad player and now he’s (rightly) being protected from FA cup games.
I thought Bilic got it badly wrong when Robinson seemed to slip down the pecking order after the Chelsea game just when he must have been brimming with confidence
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Does not do a lot wrong. Decent work rate, good movement, decent skill and pace, does his damndest to get on the end of things. Not clinical, but doesn't panic when he gets a chance. Deserves to be given extended run up top.
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He is our best striker now. He has good anticipation and makes clever runs. Not physically big, but makes up for it by being mobile and getting on the wrong side of defenders.
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Superb today but i still think BS will be looking for that big number 9 to mix things up a bit. Someone to hold the ball up and allow the likes Robinson to play off. Don't think Hal did his chances any harm today, I've never seen a manager talk so excitedly about taking the ball into the corner ;D
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It was the only time Hal touched the ball I think. Can't remember him bring involved at all apart from that.
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He was excellent yesterday - he’s not the most gifted footballer but he tends to use his skills well. The big difference yesterday which really emphasised his performance was the support he received from midfield. The support meant he had players to link which has often been missing for both Robinson and Grant this season.
We definitely got the better end of the bargain in swapping him for Burke.
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As you might have seen on the in-game thread I thought he had a mixed game. In the first half he seemed to lose every dual he went for, missed a great chance but won the penalty. 2nd half his movement was excellent in both positions. Missed another great chance and won another penalty getting across Coady.
Had a good game overall. In his defence regards duals HRK seemed to lose all his too.
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As you might have seen on the in-game thread I thought he had a mixed game. In the first half he seemed to lose every dual he went for, missed a great chance but won the penalty. 2nd half his movement was excellent in both positions. Missed another great chance and won another penalty getting across Coady.
Had a good game overall. In his defence regards duals HRK seemed to lose all his too.
His shot second half from the edge of the box when off balance was a half chance at best.
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His shot second half from the edge of the box when off balance was a half chance at best.
Are you referring to when Pereira set him up? He was closer to the penalty spot than he was to the edge of the box and had no reason to be off balance. It was a very good chance and he should have scored.
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While he is a different player to HRK, I think they share something in common; they're better players in their heads than they are on the pitch.
Neither one is a Premier League striker in terms of talent, but they have good attitudes and work hard. However in their heads, they know what to do. When it comes off, it works, but when it doesn't , it shows up their deficiencies.
Robson-Kanu for instance, with that goal for Wales that he's made a career out of. He's probably seen himself do that hundreds of times in his head, and it's never come off - but then there was the one time it did. Same with Robinson, he's not quite got the pace or physical power to play up top in this division, but he puts himself in position to take it off Thiago's toe. He puts himself in position to get fouled by Boly and Coady.
If they could realise on the pitch what they can do in their heads, they'd be great.
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Are you referring to when Pereira set him up? He was closer to the penalty spot than he was to the edge of the box and had no reason to be off balance. It was a very good chance and he should have scored.
I wouldn't say should have scored, he had 2 defenders around him, he should have got it on target though.
And nobody will convince me the chance he had in the first half was a great chance. He did brilliantly just to get something on it, let alone deflect it towards goal. Watching it again, at full speed, just confirms that.
And Hal wouldn't have had the pace needed to win those two pens, especially the second one. He's the best we have in that position at the moment. Which says a lot seeing as CR's best position is wide right.
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I think he's a very useful and quite tricky player, plus he's got the pace to create nuisance value off the ball that HRK and Grant really don't have. Crucially he seems to be able to get on Perreira's wavelength, so if we're going for a version of 4411, he's the best option up front.
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I can't bring to mind Vydra's physique when he was with us but he is certainly a handful now and causes problems for virtually every defender with his bustling never say attitude.
Callum Robinson can be quite useful but loses out because of his lack of physicality.He should be put on a plan to obtain a similar physique to Vydra a nd i think his talent would show through.
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Great play and cross assist from Callum as Ireland take the lead against Serbia. Dara playing very well too
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I didn't see the game but he was MOM apparently. Allardyce decision to outcast him and bring on HRK the last few games is indefensible. No surprise that we are averaging less than a goal a game now as he's also shunted Pereira, one of our few other players with an eye for a goal out wide on left. Of all of our players, Callum Robinson has been let down the most this season. Criminally underused.
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I didn't see the game but he was MOM apparently. Allardyce decision to outcast him and bring on HRK the last few games is indefensible. No surprise that we are averaging less than a goal a game now as he's also shunted Pereira, one of our few other players with an eye for a goal out wide on left. Of all of our players, Callum Robinson has been let down the most this season. Criminally underused.
I couldn't agree more
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I didn't see the game but he was MOM apparently. Allardyce decision to outcast him and bring on HRK the last few games is indefensible. No surprise that we are averaging less than a goal a game now as he's also shunted Pereira, one of our few other players with an eye for a goal out wide on left. Of all of our players, Callum Robinson has been let down the most this season. Criminally underused.
Grosicki will likely have a blinder tonight as well.
We must be good to have all these top Internationals in our stiffs.
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I didn't see the game but he was MOM apparently. Allardyce decision to outcast him and bring on HRK the last few games is indefensible. No surprise that we are averaging less than a goal a game now as he's also shunted Pereira, one of our few other players with an eye for a goal out wide on left. Of all of our players, Callum Robinson has been let down the most this season. Criminally underused.
Yes I saw the whole game, and if Allardyce does not pick him for the Chelsea game, then he should be made to explain why. By the way anyone who thinks Callum is not a shoe in for our Championship side wears the same blinkers as Allardyce. Nor do we need anyone who thinks Oliver Burke is better than Callum , rolling up here as manager .
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Just a pointer to certain members, international football with the exception of four or five countries is way inferior in standard to the Premier League.
People calling for Robinson- judge him on his return for us, at the highest level not what he does in internationals.
England have San Marino coming up for example, they wouldnt win league 2.
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Would rather have Robinson than Phillips on the wing. All day.
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Just a pointer to certain members, international football with the exception of four or five countries is way inferior in standard to the Premier League.
People calling for Robinson- judge him on his return for us, at the highest level not what he does in internationals.
England have San Marino coming up for example, they wouldnt win league 2.
Fair play where due though mate, Serbia are better than San Marino, and Robinson had not kicked a ball in anger since FEBRUARY 2nd
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Just a pointer to certain members, international football with the exception of four or five countries is way inferior in standard to the Premier League.
People calling for Robinson- judge him on his return for us, at the highest level not what he does in internationals.
England have San Marino coming up for example, they wouldnt win league 2.
I don't think Burnley are better than Serbia.
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I don't think Burnley are better than Serbia.
We are better than Brazil - Fact ! (allegedly) :-\
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Would rather have Robinson than Phillips on the wing. All day.
I really don't understand it - yes he makes mistakes, but he's nippy and skillful and gets into the opposition - the penalty against Wolves was very soft, but he got himself in a place HRK would never have done and won it
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Nor do we need anyone who thinks Oliver Burke is better than Callum , rolling up here as manager
I hadn't thought about this, it is quite concerning, if this was driven by their former manager
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Should have had more game time over the course of the season in my opinion. Couldn't understand why Bilic kept subbing him on the hour (ish) and I don't see how he doesn't get more time under Sam. Must be very demoralising to not even get time from the bench.
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Robinson is not bad even as a lone striker, but he is best when we are on the front foot and supporting the attack with MP close behind centrally. Rare in the prem and just is not the way Allardyce normally ever sets-up, but perhaps should give it a go with him alongside Diagne instead of the sterile square pegs in round holes attacking we have been force-fed lately.
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Nor do we need anyone who thinks Oliver Burke is better than Callum , rolling up here as manager
I hadn't thought about this, it is quite concerning, if this was driven by their former manager
His other signings have been awful in terms of returns. Ramsdale, Brewster, and Mcburnie about £60m there, deserved sacking
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His other signings have been awful in terms of returns. Ramsdale, Brewster, and Mcburnie about £60m there, deserved sacking
I'm not that keen on him generally tbh
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This thread has taken an interesting turn. Are Serbia better than Burnley? Generally yes although as with all of the smaller nations there one or two weaker links. Although in a straight contest between a Serbian XI and most bottom half Premier League teams I'd back the Serbs
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This thread has taken an interesting turn. Are Serbia better than Burnley? Generally yes although as with all of the smaller nations there one or two weaker links. Although in a straight contest between a Serbian XI and most bottom half Premier League teams I'd back the Serbs
But the regular right back is crocked and their reserve is pants, and if you check the FIFA21 ratings Chris Wood will have their CH on toast, Over 2 legs its no contest Turf Moor is a fortress, whereas .....
Internet experts pah !
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Just a pointer to certain members, international football with the exception of four or five countries is way inferior in standard to the Premier League.
People calling for Robinson- judge him on his return for us, at the highest level not what he does in internationals.
England have San Marino coming up for example, they wouldnt win league 2.
But if people are calling for him over KANU...does hat only count if he plays against Wales?
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Robinson is a championship player who let's face it had it not of been for Wilder being so keen to bring in Burke we probably wouldn't of signed and on the face of it shouldn't of signed. One of our biggest mistakes from last summer was being so determined to bring back players who just about crawled over the finishing line in the championship. I have no doubt he will more than likely be a regular player next season and a part of me does slightly contradict myself and think he has been mistreated this season by big Sam. I'd rather see Robinson over Kanu.
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Robinson is a championship player who let's face it had it not of been for Wilder being so keen to bring in Burke we probably wouldn't of signed and on the face of it shouldn't of signed. One of our biggest mistakes from last summer was being so determined to bring back players who just about crawled over the finishing line in the championship. I have no doubt he will more than likely be a regular player next season and a part of me does slightly contradict myself and think he has been mistreated this season by big Sam. I'd rather see Robinson over Kanu.
Robinson is suffering from odemwinge syndrome, he can play wide....so was and is continually shoved out there (if he gets a game) despite being (imo) our best central option.
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Robinson is suffering from odemwinge syndrome, he can play wide....so was and is continually shoved out there (if he gets a game) despite being (imo) our best central option.
Agreed. Callum Robinson may not be Zidane but he's still more effective with his boots tied together than HRK.
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The Robbo show 2nd half today, this boy loves playing Chelsea. Well done Callum, should be in the managers plans going forward.
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What about that for clinical finishing and composure. I actually preferred his lob for the 5th goal. How many strikers (including Albion strikers) would have just blasted it. Well done, Callum.
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Robinson shoved it up Big Sam good and proper today.
I have no idea why he's been left out for 2 months. Points have been frittered away in the meantime.
Burke swapped for Robinson, no wonder Wilder is on the scrapheap.
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Surely after Robbos performance today..HRK wont get another run out this season
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Robinson shoved it up Big Sam good and proper today.
I have no idea why he's been left out for 2 months. Points have been frittered away in the meantime.
Burke swapped for Robinson, no wonder Wilder is on the scrapheap.
Spot on. He was superb today.
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Surely after Robbos performance today..HRK wont get another run out this season
Don't bank on it. Allardyce can be very bloody minded.
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Surely after Robbos performance today..HRK wont get another run out this season
HRK shouldn't have had a run out ahead of Robinson full stop. baffling why he's been so underused.
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Let's be fair. Kanu has been coming on at centre forward. If he was as obsessed with playing Kanu over Robinson at any cost he'd have done it today too. Credit where it's due. Criticism where it's deserved.
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Absolutely outstanding when he came on and two great finishes. The first was amazing.
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Quality today. Should have played more than he has this season. Hopefully gets a chance going forward.
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Showed his qualities today.
Definitely deserves more chances to play.
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Robinson is his own worst enemy though. He only ever performs against Chelsea. He was decent at Wolves too. Other than that he's offered nothing really.
Needs more consistency in his performances. He's done his chances no harm today but he needs to kick on from here.
Sometimes I think he tries too hard, runs too much and doesn't use his head enough. A bit more arrogance in his play might help him (and us). Stop pointless running, conserve energy and use his brain to take up positions that are more effective in hurting the opposition.
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Would still have him ahead of Kanu in every position unless it was pie eating.
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Robinson is his own worst enemy though. He only ever performs against Chelsea. He was decent at Wolves too. Other than that he's offered nothing really.
Needs more consistency in his performances. He's done his chances no harm today but he needs to kick on from here.
Sometimes I think he tries too hard, runs too much and doesn't use his head enough. A bit more arrogance in his play might help him (and us). Stop pointless running, conserve energy and use his brain to take up positions that are more effective in hurting the opposition.
I was going to post something similar. Superb today but probably his second decent performance of the season. Hopefully that will give him the confidence he needs for our remaining games.
Still play him ahead of HRK though.....
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Robinson is his own worst enemy though. He only ever performs against Chelsea. He was decent at Wolves too. Other than that he's offered nothing really.
Needs more consistency in his performances. He's done his chances no harm today but he needs to kick on from here.
Sometimes I think he tries too hard, runs too much and doesn't use his head enough. A bit more arrogance in his play might help him (and us). Stop pointless running, conserve energy and use his brain to take up positions that are more effective in hurting the opposition.
He got left out for several games after his first 2-goal performance against Chelsea when he would have been brimming with confidence. Hadn't been the same since until given the opportunity today.
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Robinson is his own worst enemy though. He only ever performs against Chelsea. He was decent at Wolves too. Other than that he's offered nothing really.
Needs more consistency in his performances. He's done his chances no harm today but he needs to kick on from here.
Sometimes I think he tries too hard, runs too much and doesn't use his head enough. A bit more arrogance in his play might help him (and us). Stop pointless running, conserve energy and use his brain to take up positions that are more effective in hurting the opposition.
Sorry, but that made me loff !
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He got left out for several games after his first 2-goal performance against Chelsea when he would have been brimming with confidence. Hadn't been the same since until given the opportunity today.
Yeah and that was the guy that signed him. Bilić was determined for Grant to succeed. Robbo was the casualty.
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If our third goal was scored by somebody deemed to be world class such as Haaland it would be all over the papers and would be talk of match of the day and I bet they glaze over it.
Sadly and more importantly he has been racially abused this evening after the game. The individual sent him emojis of monkeys. Hopefully Chelsea ban him for life (I doubt they will and I doubt he goes to games in the first place) and the police get involved.
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I think he's been great this season and he's obviously ten times the player that HRK is. Criminally underused and Allardyce got it horribly wrong by excluding him before his hand was forced today.
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His first goal in today's match was a sublime finish. Should be raved about outside of here but unlikely as you say.
Disgusted to hear he's been racially abused.
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Disgusted to hear he's been racially abused.
How has that happened in an empty stadium, unless you mean there is an anonymous idiot on twitter?
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How has that happened in an empty stadium, unless you mean there is an anonymous idiot on twitter?
Baggie 38 said above. Been sent monkey emojis on social media
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How has that happened in an empty stadium, unless you mean there is an anonymous idiot on twitter?
Instagram
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Instagram
Just seen the story. Fair play to Robinson for outing the poster, the authorities can deal with the idiot. The focus should be on Robinson's outstanding performance and goals.
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I think he's been great this season and he's obviously ten times the player that HRK is. Criminally underused and Allardyce got it horribly wrong by excluding him before his hand was forced today.
His hand wasn't forced HRK was on the bench.
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I think he's been great this season and he's obviously ten times the player that HRK is. Criminally underused and Allardyce got it horribly wrong by excluding him before his hand was forced today.
Exactly, incomprehensible. You could just about make a case for HRK to see out a game you were winning, but that's not where we've been.
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His hand wasn't forced HRK was on the bench.
His hand was forced to be more positive and to bring on another attacker by virtue of us being behind and Chelsea being down to ten men. Correct he could have opted for HRK again despite that being a blindingly god awful decision. I think Allardyce recognises now that by excluding Robinson and playing HRK over the last month or so he got it all wrong. It was tragic the way we fizzled out against Newcastle and Palace.
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So you agree, his hand wasn't forced 😂
Look, if you are suggesting that Allardyce hadn't got it disgustingly wrong by playing HRK ahead of Robinson before today then you are flogging a dead horse.
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HRK is used as a target man. He stands with his back to goal because he's a physical player and has next to no pace. Robinson is a completly different type of player. He makes runs from deep positions, which is exactly what we need. Hopefully Allardyce has seen the light, unless its literally the last 5 minutes and we need someone to run into the corner with the ball, and then HRK is the better player.
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HRK is used as a target man. He stands with his back to goal because he's a physical player and has next to no pace. Robinson is a completly different type of player. He makes runs from deep positions, which is exactly what we need. Hopefully Allardyce has seen the light, unless its literally the last 5 minutes and we need someone to run into the corner with the ball, and then HRK is the better player.
I don't even think that HRK is better at holding the ball up either as he can't stop diving and falling over every five seconds. If you can cast your mind back far enough to the home game with Chelsea, it was HRK awful miss kicked clearance that led to one of their goals.
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Love this lad , good player, and I believe he loves it here despite being shabbily treated by both managers this season.
The game today changed on Callums introduction. I had a bet on him to score today @ 8-1 and he was very instrumental in my winning 16-1 bet on the result (just wish I did the double).
Some people think we wasted money on Callum, I think think is one case where LD did a great bit of business in getting him in for Burke , Eh Mr Wilder.
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Love this lad , good player, and I believe he loves it here despite being shabbily treated by both managers this season.
The game today changed on Callums introduction. I had a bet on him to score today @ 8-1 and he was very instrumental in my winning 16-1 bet on the result (just wish I did the double).
Some people think we wasted money on Callum, I think think is one case where LD did a great bit of business in getting him in for Burke , Eh Mr Wilder.
It was grand larceny. I have no doubt that Wilder is a very good manager but his judgement across the forward department seems incredibly flawed.
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So you agree, his hand wasn't forced 😂
Obviously he could have picked anyone on the bench. There is no way he was about to make that change, the injury forced his hand and there wouldn't be a better time to go attacking.
Chelsea had also gone 5 at the back so bringing on Kanu would have been a mistake, putting 2 against 5 would have made no difference. Bringing on a midfielder gave us 2 extra men in there. Sam could have gone Snodgrass or Diangana so deserves some credit for going Callum. It was still a sub he didn't plan on making at that point.
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Chuffed for the lad think he has quality to offer, and one of the few that plays with a smile on his face.
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I am so utterly sickened by this continual abuse of people on the grounds of race. What on earth is wrong with people?
We should never disallow legitimate criticism of someone (eg “he’s a poor player,†“he played badly,†“I don’t rate himâ€) - that’s free speech, and there shouldn’t be an assumption that it’s a view based on race or any other defining characteristic. People must be entitled to express an opinion, and that free speech principle should be fiercely defended.
But to abuse someone on the grounds of a characteristic - race, disability, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender etc - is utterly repulsive. There is no excuse.
I am so sick of it, and so sorry for Callum Robinson and anyone else on the receiving end of this abhorrent abuse. Free speech and opinion should be protected but the distinction is clear and obvious.
We have all been living through terrible times for the past year and I am utterly disgusted by this continuing intolerance and hatred, and those who perpetuate it should face suitable consequences.
Enough is enough. The time for this repulsive nonsense is over.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56628145
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I am so utterly sickened by this continual abuse of people on the grounds of race. What on earth is wrong with people?
We should never disallow legitimate criticism of someone (eg “he’s a poor player,†“he played badly,†“I don’t rate himâ€) - that’s free speech, and there shouldn’t be an assumption that it’s a view based on race or any other defining characteristic. People must be entitled to express an opinion, and that free speech principle should be fiercely defended.
But to abuse someone on the grounds of a characteristic - race, disability, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender etc - is utterly repulsive. There is no excuse.
I am so sick of it, and so sorry for Callum Robinson and anyone else on the receiving end of this abhorrent abuse. Free speech and opinion should be protected but the distinction is clear and obvious.
We have all been living through terrible times for the past year and I am utterly disgusted by this continuing intolerance and hatred, and those who perpetuate it should face suitable consequences.
Enough is enough. The time for this repulsive nonsense is over.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56628145
I saw this about the abuse on Facebook earlier according to the people on there it was a supposed Albion fan. No matter who it is i hope they find them and throw the book at them disgusting things (i won't call them people)
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I saw this about the abuse on Facebook earlier according to the people on there it was a supposed Albion fan. No matter who it is i hope they find them and throw the book at them disgusting things (i won't call them people)
The person who sent him the racist stuff was a Chelsea fan when I looked at his profile
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The person who sent him the racist stuff was a Chelsea fan when I looked at his profile
Cheers for that i couldn't get my head round it being a baggie. Disgusting whoever it is though.
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Cheers for that i couldn't get my head round it being a baggie. Disgusting whoever it is though.
Yes mate. Vile business indeed.
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I like Robinson. Probably not a premier league player (even as a squad player) but he is a hard worker with a bit more quality than he gets credit for. He could be a key player next season and he should have been given more minutes by Allardyce up to this point, but hopefully those goals will get him into the team from this point forward.
That second is as well taken as any you will see.
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I like Robinson. Probably not a premier league player (even as a squad player) but he is a hard worker with a bit more quality than he gets credit for. He could be a key player next season and he should have been given more minutes by Allardyce up to this point, but hopefully those goals will get him into the team from this point forward.
That second is as well taken as any you will see.
Agreed, just find it baffling how HRK was getting more minutes than him
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I was delighted he got his proper chance on Saturday.
I love his spirit and commitment and while I can see how people reckon he's probably not Premier League quality, he's not had a lot of chance to prove us wrong. He's still relatively young.
Shameful that he had to suffer that nasty nonsense.
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I was delighted he got his proper chance on Saturday.
I love his spirit and commitment and while I can see how people reckon he's probably not Premier League quality, he's not had a lot of chance to prove us wrong. He's still relatively young.
Shameful that he had to suffer that nasty nonsense.
Hes played chelsea and give them all sorts of issues. He caused wolves loads of issues too.. another player who has improved a lot. Also he isnt afraid to try things, he has good movement and creates space also
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and its a TEAM game and he clearly a team player who the rest of the team are close to.
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The 3 best games this season from my point of view he's played a big part in each game. Chelsea at home scored 2, won the 2 penalties at the mol and the 2 superb goals at the bridge Saturday. He must be awfull in training if big Sam thinks Robson kanu is a better player, that's all I can think.
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The 3 best games this season from my point of view he's played a big part in each game. Chelsea at home scored 2, won the 2 penalties at the mol and the 2 superb goals at the bridge Saturday. He must be awfull in training if big Sam thinks Robson kanu is a better player, that's all I can think.
Echo pretty much how I feel. No coincidence in the games he has played a major part have been our best performances of season.
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And, it’s a big and, in my ‘umble opinion, Callum Robinson’s enthusiasm is infectious and is ingested by his teammates.
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And, it’s a big and, in my ‘umble opinion, Callum Robinson’s enthusiasm is infectious and is ingested by his teammates.
Agree the antithesis of Zohore for example.
If him being on the pitch can lift 10 other players by a % or 2 it can be a significant thing, A classic exemplar of this was Gerrard leading by attitude and commitment and no shortage of ability.
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Both his goals were well taken, but the first was an exceptional finish which I honestly didn't think he had in him, as it is very hard to pull off.
He deserved his goals as he's been bad ignored imo.
When we go down I could see him getting between 12-15 next season.
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Great performance full of powerful running.
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Look more balanced with him playing than without.
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I like the way he makes runs from deep into scoring positions. He's got enough pace to do it. And he put away that chance today very efficiently. There are quite a lot of forwards who would have fluffed it.
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I like the way he makes runs from deep into scoring positions. He's got enough pace to do it. And he put away that chance today very efficiently. There are quite a lot of forwards who would have fluffed it.
Very true. A very cool finisher when opportunities present themselves.
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Monkey off his back today, a Premier League goal against a team other than Chelsea. 8)
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Well done Callum nice to see you score against another team other than our whipping boys Chelski.
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Great game unplayable at times just tired towards end. Glad he scored v somebody besides chelsea. Looks a great swap still. Long Townsend and bartley he has really improved this year
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Brilliant finish, another great run in-behind and good feet to set himself. He is the only striker we have that naturally can play off the shoulder of the defenders. Allardyce was just about to sub him as well! Delighted for him.
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Played well again and got another well deserved goal. He is a decent finisher at our level but he also another of those players who gets around the pitch well, pops up in unexpected positions sometimes but is usually available for a one two, or is prepared to run on. He looks as if he wants to play for us. Done well when selected but not sure Allardyce likes him much.
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Swapping him for Burke was great business. Underusing Robinson has been a fault of Allardyce's.
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Played well again and got another well deserved goal. He is a decent finisher at our level but he also another of those players who gets around the pitch well, pops up in unexpected positions sometimes but is usually available for a one two, or is prepared to run on. He looks as if he wants to play for us. Done well when selected but not sure Allardyce likes him much.
I completey agree with all this, I don't really get the repeated "but he's not good enough for the Prem", if we can bounce back up I hope he gets a fair crack at it, even if it is more often as a supersub.
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I completey agree with all this, I don't really get the repeated "but he's not good enough for the Prem", if we can bounce back up I hope he gets a fair crack at it, even if it is more often as a supersub.
When I make assertions like that I try to base it on whether he would start games at this level for other clubs. I find it hard to make a case for Robbo on that score. Yesterday he was about to be hauled off when he scored after a good 30 ineffective minutes. He's playing well in a functioning front 6 and deserves a run in the team based on his recent contribution.
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When I make assertions like that I try to base it on whether he would start games at this level for other clubs. I find it hard to make a case for Robbo on that score. Yesterday he was about to be hauled off when he scored after a good 30 ineffective minutes. He's playing well in a functioning front 6 and deserves a run in the team based on his recent contribution.
The entire attacking line up of our team were ineffective for 30 minutes because of the tactics that were used. You'll get ineffective attackers if all you do sit on the edge of your box and therefore can't get out. Sam's admitted that his tactics were to sit back and see what Southampton had to offer.
If anything, it shows his value to us and the game in that he was still able to pop up, sprint away and finish. No way would Gallagher have done that.
When he's on the pitch and combining with Pierera we look miles better as a team. It's been a massive mistake to bench him for so long when we've needed to score goals.
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The entire attacking line up of our team were ineffective for 30 minutes because of the tactics that were used. You'll get ineffective attackers if all you do sit on the edge of your box and therefore can't get out. Sam's admitted that his tactics were to sit back and see what Southampton had to offer.
If anything, it shows his value to us and the game in that he was still able to pop up, sprint away and finish. No way would Gallagher have done that.
When he's on the pitch and combining with Pierera we look miles better as a team. It's been a massive mistake to bench him for so long when we've needed to score goals.
Couldn't agree more - bang on. We need to attack teams, as we are so much more suited to playing on the front foot than sitting back waiting.
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The entire attacking line up of our team were ineffective for 30 minutes because of the tactics that were used. You'll get ineffective attackers if all you do sit on the edge of your box and therefore can't get out. Sam's admitted that his tactics were to sit back and see what Southampton had to offer.
If anything, it shows his value to us and the game in that he was still able to pop up, sprint away and finish. No way would Gallagher have done that.
When he's on the pitch and combining with Pierera we look miles better as a team. It's been a massive mistake to bench him for so long when we've needed to score goals.
Pereira and Diagne were still a threat in the early stages of the second half. It wasn't an approach issue, he had a quiet game. Nothing wrong with that.
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Pereira and Diagne were still a threat in the early stages of the second half. It wasn't an approach issue, he had a quiet game. Nothing wrong with that.
No they weren't. Show me any chances that were created? We had nothing and sat too deep, look at the match thread, everyone was saying the same.
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No they weren't. Show me any chances that were created? We had nothing and sat too deep, look at the match thread, everyone was saying the same.
Why would I look at the match thread? I watched the game. Yesterday wasn't his day, and would have been entirely forgotten if not for the excellent goal he scored. He should still start against Leicester. Phillips shone yesterday along with AMN, MP and Diagne. Robbo was largely on the periphery and could have no complaints when he was substituted.
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Robbo has shown he is worthy of being given a chance. The team badly needs midfielders who can put the ball in the net clinically. I can think of quite a few Albion midfielders where it seems like 30 matches is needed before they manage to score, even once.
What he's good at is making runs forward into the box. That can be alot more deadly than a striker standing on the edge of the box waiting for the ball to reach him. But it needs midfielders and wingbacks who can spot his runs.
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Why would I look at the match thread? I watched the game. Yesterday wasn't his day, and would have been entirely forgotten if not for the excellent goal he scored. He should still start against Leicester. Phillips shone yesterday along with AMN, MP and Diagne. Robbo was largely on the periphery and could have no complaints when he was substituted.
Substituted for the abysmal HRK when there was a big drop off in our attacking threat.
Robinson was a nuisance all night, dragging their defenders around and creating space. It was a decent performance apart from the goal.
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Substituted for the abysmal HRK when there was a big drop off in our attacking threat.
Robinson was a nuisance all night, dragging their defenders around and creating space. It was a decent performance apart from the goal.
Well that didn't happen soooooo...
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Why would I look at the match thread? I watched the game. Yesterday wasn't his day, and would have been entirely forgotten if not for the excellent goal he scored. He should still start against Leicester. Phillips shone yesterday along with AMN, MP and Diagne. Robbo was largely on the periphery and could have no complaints when he was substituted.
Today is clearly not your day! You've got a real downer on Callum Robinson and that's plain to see.
Robinson was great and his goal was another fantastic run and finish.
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In my ‘umble opinion, Callum Robinson brings a lot more to the team than Gallagher who often seems to run around like a headless chicken.
Callum should be one of the first names on the team sheet alongside Sam Johnstone but certain posters would never accept that they might be clearly wrong.
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Today is clearly not your day! You've got a real downer on Callum Robinson and that's plain to see.
Robinson was great and his goal was another fantastic run and finish.
Not remotely true, worth his place in the team on current form. Wasn't great yesterday aside from the excellent goal I've now mentioned several times.
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Not remotely true, worth his place in the team on current form. Wasn't great yesterday aside from the excellent goal I've now mentioned several times.
I think the point is that nobody agrees with you about this. He played well for the whole time he was on the pitch, as explained very eloquently by several posters.
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I think the point is that nobody agrees with you about this. He played well for the whole time he was on the pitch, as explained very eloquently by several posters.
No he didn't. He had a good first half but his game dipped in the second. Good goal though. I like Robinson and was disappointed to see him replaced by HRK. I thought Sam may have given either Grant or Diangana a run out.
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No he didn't. He had a good first half but his game dipped in the second. Good goal though. I like Robinson and was disappointed to see him replaced by HRK. I thought Sam may have given either Grant or Diangana a run out.
I don't think Robbo played particulary badly in the second half, like I said, all of our attacking threat stopped because we decided to sit back - none of the attack looked good in that half. That was down to the tactics that Sam said we used.
Checking the stats out...
First half we had 51% possession. Second half 30%.
First half shots 15, second half, 2.
Pass success first half, 74%, second half 58%.
Pierera had 3 shots first half, none second half. His possession went from 5.6% to 2.6% (Robbo's was similar 5% to 2.2%, but had 1 shot in each half).
Diagne went from 2.8% possession to 1.4% possession and 1 shot to 0 shots.
This idea that Diagne and Pierera still carried an attacking threat and it was Robbo struggling isn't true. We offered nothing going forward until the goal, and it's a goal wouldn't have happened if Gallagher had got on the pitch a few minutes earlier. If you look at the heat map for the game most of our attacking play was down the left hand side where Robinson and Pierera combined. Just seems harsh for some fans to single Robinson out despite when he plays we look much more of a threat.
Agree about Grant or Diangana getting a run out, no idea why he prefers Kanu. He doesn't offer anything except falling over.
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I don't think Robbo played particulary badly in the second half, like I said, all of our attacking threat stopped because we decided to sit back - none of the attack looked good in that half. That was down to the tactics that Sam said we used.
Checking the stats out...
First half we had 51% possession. Second half 30%.
First half shots 15, second half, 2.
Pass success first half, 74%, second half 58%.
Pierera had 3 shots first half, none second half. His possession went from 5.6% to 2.6% (Robbo's was similar 5% to 2.2%, but had 1 shot in each half).
Diagne went from 2.8% possession to 1.4% possession and 1 shot to 0 shots.
This idea that Diagne and Pierera still carried an attacking threat and it was Robbo struggling isn't true. We offered nothing going forward until the goal, and it's a goal wouldn't have happened if Gallagher had got on the pitch a few minutes earlier. If you look at the heat map for the game most of our attacking play was down the left hand side where Robinson and Pierera combined. Just seems harsh for some fans to single Robinson out despite when he plays we look much more of a threat.
Agree about Grant or Diangana getting a run out, no idea why he prefers Kanu. He doesn't offer anything except falling over.
I don't think he played badly in the second half either, but his performance definitely dipped. As for us dropping deep it was noticeable that Southampton's full backs had clearly been instructed to push on more than during the first half. They committed more bodies for more time. It was inevitable we'd concede both space and possession.
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I don't think Robbo played particulary badly in the second half, like I said, all of our attacking threat stopped because we decided to sit back - none of the attack looked good in that half. That was down to the tactics that Sam said we used.
Checking the stats out...
First half we had 51% possession. Second half 30%.
First half shots 15, second half, 2.
Pass success first half, 74%, second half 58%.
Pierera had 3 shots first half, none second half. His possession went from 5.6% to 2.6% (Robbo's was similar 5% to 2.2%, but had 1 shot in each half).
Diagne went from 2.8% possession to 1.4% possession and 1 shot to 0 shots.
This idea that Diagne and Pierera still carried an attacking threat and it was Robbo struggling isn't true. We offered nothing going forward until the goal, and it's a goal wouldn't have happened if Gallagher had got on the pitch a few minutes earlier. If you look at the heat map for the game most of our attacking play was down the left hand side where Robinson and Pierera combined. Just seems harsh for some fans to single Robinson out despite when he plays we look much more of a threat.
Agree about Grant or Diangana getting a run out, no idea why he prefers Kanu. He doesn't offer anything except falling over.
Yes, yours was one of the eloquent posts I alluded to in my reply to Jacko earlier. Your analysis of the game is both accurate and evidenced.
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Well he was only on the pitch for less than half of the second half, and he wasn't replaced by HRK, but other than that....
He was replaced because his performance had dropped off. As for who replaced him I blame my over exuberant consumption of Staropramens, they were flying down by that point ;D .
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He was replaced because his performance had dropped off. As for who replaced him I blame my over exuberant consumption of Staropramens, they were flying down by that point ;D .
As was mine when I claimed he was on the pitch for less than half of the second half. At least we can admit when we get something wrong, ;D
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As was mine when I claimed he was on the pitch for less than half of the second half. At least we can admit when we get something wrong, ;D
Fair play Timdon 8) .
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I don't think he played badly in the second half either, but his performance definitely dipped. As for us dropping deep it was noticeable that Southampton's full backs had clearly been instructed to push on more than during the first half. They committed more bodies for more time. It was inevitable we'd concede both space and possession.
Sam said we dropped deep under orders. By doing that we conceded ground and allowed them to push the full backs on. Just feels a bit harsh for Robinson to be singled out. If we were saying that any of the attackers could have been taken off as they weren't getting a kick then I'd agree.
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Sam said we dropped deep under orders. By doing that we conceded ground and allowed them to push the full backs on. Just feels a bit harsh for Robinson to be singled out. If we were saying that any of the attackers could have been taken off as they weren't getting a kick then I'd agree.
I'm (ed: not ;D ) singling him out. I'm a fan of Robinson. It frustrated the hell out of me when Bilic used to replace him with HRK. It then got under my skin when Allardyce preferred HRK to him from the bench.
If the heat map you mentioned earlier was the one from the BBC website then it was of the first half when I felt Robinson did his best work, second half goal notwithstanding.
I didn't know we'd dropped back under instruction as I haven't read any of Sam Allardyce's post match comments, but it was very noticeable that Southampton changed things around from the off for the second half.
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Not remotely true, worth his place in the team on current form. Wasn't great yesterday aside from the excellent goal I've now mentioned several times.
Your favourite bloke, Sam Allardyce doesn't agree with you. He singled out Robinson in his post-match interview to lavish praise on him.
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Your favourite bloke, Sam Allardyce doesn't agree with you. He singled out Robinson in his post-match interview to lavish praise on him.
This means he will probably freeze him out again for the next games
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This means he will probably freeze him out again for the next games
I don't think so. Have a look at the managers interview on the official site. He praised Robinson as a goalscorer, and said how vital that was. I think the penny has finally dropped that it was madness to freeze him out for two months in favour of HRK.
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Your favourite bloke, Sam Allardyce doesn't agree with you. He singled out Robinson in his post-match interview to lavish praise on him.
Can we stop this your favourite / your mate routine .
Not a good look at all .
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Can we stop this your favourite / your mate routine .
Not a good look at all .
Fair enough, but it wasn't intended as a dig, I quite like Sam Allardyce at the moment as well, he's doing a great job.
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Sent home from Republic of Ireland duty following an injury to his Achilles according to the article linked below........
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57284690
.......no hints as to how serious it is, but what with us being linked to Chris Wilder this lad's in for a potentially very miserable summer following on from our very miserable relegation and his wage flex down.
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Sent home from Republic of Ireland duty following an injury to his Achilles according to the article linked below........
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57284690
.......no hints as to how serious it is, but what with us being linked to Chris Wilder this lad's in for a potentially very miserable summer following on from our very miserable relegation and his wage flex down.
He seems to have truly rotten luck.
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He seems to have truly rotten luck.
Hope he is alright. A couple of friendlies for Ireland so possibility of playing safe. Was interesting in his interview after victory over Chelsea where he stated it was nice to get away and refresh with the Ireland squad; when it is one of Ireland's most demoralising set of games for well over a decade.
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Suprised we haven’t seen him play through the middle more this pre season. Arguably our best finisher at the club at the moment.
On paper him, Grady and Grant looks a dangerous front 3.
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Suprised we haven’t seen him play through the middle more this pre season. Arguably our best finisher at the club at the moment.
On paper him, Grady and Grant looks a dangerous front 3.
Injured for some of pre season, picked it up on international duty I think
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Suprised we haven’t seen him play through the middle more this pre season. Arguably our best finisher at the club at the moment.
On paper him, Grady and Grant looks a dangerous front 3.
Agreed. He’s the best striker at the club and in that front three he would be great at linking up the play.
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Agreed. He’s the best striker at the club and in that front three he would be great at linking up the play.
not a striker, Zohore is our only recognised centre forward.
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Strikers are not always centre forwards. Centre forwards are not always strikers. Zohore, in my opinion has shown little evidence so far of being either. Robinson has scored a few and taken up enough good positions to miss a few as well, so for me is more of a striker who also has some ability to link up play.
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:D Dont shoot me down in flames....but has anyone considered Robinson for the No 10 shirt??
Reasons why
1.He is 2 footed.
2.Has pace and does his defensive duties
3. Can shoot well from outside the box
4. Has a good pass and is aware of what's going on around him.
5. Does his defensive duties well.
6. Is good communicator.
He could fit this role very well given the chance...maybe in one of the trials?.
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:D Dont shoot me down in flames....but has anyone considered Robinson for the No 10 shirt??
Reasons why
1.He is 2 footed.
2.Has pace and does his defensive duties
3. Can shoot well from outside the box
4. Has a good pass and is aware of what's going on around him.
5. Does his defensive duties well.
6. Is good communicator.
He could fit this role very well given the chance...maybe in one of the trials?.
Merged your post into the Calum Robinson topic.
Thanks
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:D Dont shoot me down in flames....but has anyone considered Robinson for the No 10 shirt??
Reasons why
1.He is 2 footed.
2.Has pace and does his defensive duties
3. Can shoot well from outside the box
4. Has a good pass and is aware of what's going on around him.
5. Does his defensive duties well.
6. Is good communicator.
He could fit this role very well given the chance...maybe in one of the trials?.
Possibly. The cheap and cheerful option.
I'd hope though, as a promotion seeking side, we'd be looking at stronger options.
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:D Dont shoot me down in flames....but has anyone considered Robinson for the No 10 shirt??
As I understand it, Valerien's usual 3-4-3 system doesn't feature anyone playing in the No. 10 role.
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:D Dont shoot me down in flames....but has anyone considered Robinson for the No 10 shirt??
Reasons why
1.He is 2 footed.
2.Has pace and does his defensive duties
3. Can shoot well from outside the box
4. Has a good pass and is aware of what's going on around him.
5. Does his defensive duties well.
6. Is good communicator.
He could fit this role very well given the chance...maybe in one of the trials?.
I agree with this but I think the main point is that he has a strikers instinct to play on the shoulder of the last defender and to time runs in-behind. Case in point being his second goal at Chelsea. Perfectly timed run and of course perfectly weighted pass from Pereira. Then a deadly and calm finish.
I should also say he averaged a goal every 53 minutes in the championship in 2018/19. He is well capable of getting 20 goals + at this level.
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Personally I’d play him ahead of Phillips as the striker. That would be a ridiculously clever and mobile front three. I do feel he deserves a proper run.
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Personally I’d play him ahead of Phillips as the striker. That would be a ridiculously clever and mobile front three. I do feel he deserves a proper run.
It's mental to play Phillips as a striker full stop. He's not a forward and can't last more than 30 minutes without blowing and sweating like he's had 20 pints the night before.
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It's mental to play Phillips as a striker full stop. He's not a forward and can't last more than 30 minutes without blowing and sweating like he's had 20 pints the night before.
could be wrong but I think he was suggesting in front of as in his position on the field rather than ahead of in the pecking order.
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Bottom line id that we need at least one quality striker in the first 11, we don't have one at the moment.
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Bottom line id that we need at least one quality striker in the first 11, we don't have one at the moment.
Callum Robinson is a quality striker, especially in the championship. Not that it will mean much if we are intent on selling Pereira.
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Been saying for months he’s underrated. Should have been utilised more last season too.
He’s our best striker at the moment and I think with Grant and Grady either side, with some competition on the bench, he’ll have a good season.
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I also think he his a good championship striker and he looks a lot more capable than Grant at this moment in time, I have an idea he his under a little pressure to see if he can get a tune out of Grant to justify the investment we made.
I have every faith in Val, and I think we may have a few forwards doing Halves of a game instead of the full 90 mins and I think that will suit Philips.
That said we definitely need a goal scorer in the front three, personally I like the guy from Bristol city for now.
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I agree Robinson is a better option than Philips through the middle and I think he would be a capable enough championship striker. I’m not sure I’d go as far as to say ‘quality’ though.
I don’t think he played many games for Preston as a centre forward and his best goal return in a league season is 12. I’d personally potentially play Robinson in the wide left and Grant in the middle untill a proper central striker is brought in
I always thought Diangana was better for us on the left too though but Ismael seems to want to play him inverted. It might work really well, with a lot of things I’m going to have to wait for some competitive games to judge things.
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Will play his part, no doubt, fantastic asset at this level, but, still need a proper goal scorer.
Woodrow all day for me.
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I like Woodrow, I said for a few mill we should have gone for him last year. I don’t think he’s a proper out and out striker either though, he’s more of a 10 and I think Robinson could do any role for us that Woodrow could
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Robbo gets better the less he plays. He's not a striker or a centre forward. He's competing with Grant and Diangana imo.
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Will play his part, no doubt, fantastic asset at this level, but, still need a proper goal scorer.
Woodrow all day for me.
Woodrow was the one to get instead of Grant. More effective player. Not going to set the division alight but the better option.
Not so sure he was available on a six-year deal though...
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Robbo gets better the less he plays. He's not a striker or a centre forward. He's competing with Grant and Diangana imo.
He was pretty handy on the pitch at Stamford Bridge. Looked every inch a striker.
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He was pretty handy on the pitch at Stamford Bridge. Looked every inch a striker.
I agree think thats harsh by jacko. Not a premier league player yet however he could develop into one like morrison brunt etc.
A run of games this year would probably do him good. Would prefer him in side over grant who just hasnt looked anything like the funds we wasted on him (be nice if he proved me wrong too)
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Deserves a place in my opinion, made a difference, when we signed him we were going through a terrible patch and he turned it around.
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Very capable player at the level we are at. Will play a significant role this season in my opinion.
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Very capable player at the level we are at. Will play a significant role this season in my opinion.
As things stand currently, he wi!l have to!
We need more very capable players and maybe one or two that can actually bridge the gap should we gain promotion.
We're on shaky ground at the moment.
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It's mental to play Phillips as a striker full stop. He's not a forward and can't last more than 30 minutes without blowing and sweating like he's had 20 pints the night before.
That’s probably a reflection of those who have previously managed him.
Agree on the wider point that he’s not a striker. I guess that is testament to our current lack of options.
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Best player on the pitch last night and still serially underrated by a few. Class goal.
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Best player on the pitch last night and still serially underrated by a few. Class goal.
I dont agree about him being the best player on the pitch but I do prefer him to Grant and Diangana. He's better technically than both.
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An asset at this level for sure.
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Feels like one of those players who is great in the championship but not fully convincing in the prem. I will say in the Robinson - Burke swap...I think we got the better deal :)
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3 in 3, seems proper up for it this season.
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Feels like one of those players who is great in the championship but not fully convincing in the prem. I will say in the Robinson - Burke swap...I think we got the better deal :)
That, sir, could be the understatement of the year. :D
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That, sir, could be the understatement of the year. :D
Alex Mowatt seems ok ;) I am known for the understatement :)
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Feels like one of those players who is great in the championship but not fully convincing in the prem. I will say in the Robinson - Burke swap...I think we got the better deal :)
Getting someone to sign Burke without having to pay up his contract would have been a good deal. Absolutely chronic.
Robinson is an excellent championship player, signs from last season he has the ability to be a decent one in the premier if he's coached right too.
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Another top performance today. Can move the ball quickly in tight spaces. Has a knack of anticipating where to be when the goal chances come. Not a coincidence that he was on the scoresheet again.
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Tonight demonstrated everything we needed to know as to why we pursued that swap deal.
Robinson has had a fantastic start to the season. Compare him to Burke - his cameo was useless. It said everything we needed to know when the Blunts fans were singing “you’re ******* ****â€.
Here’s hoping Robinson keeps up his good form.
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Excellent display from him and has looked better as the front man than I thought he would. Because there is such an emphasis on pressing and countering when we win the ball back, it seems to be suiting him well.
Never going to be a target man but if Val's plan is to use him as he has in these first 3 games, no reason he can't be the striker we need.
2 of his 3 goals have been in the 6 yard box, and has scored another 3 that have been ruled out for offside (one v B'mouth, two today) - suggests his finishing is coming on as well. Keep it up Robbo
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Compare him to Burke - his cameo was useless. It said everything we needed to know when the Blunts fans were singing “you’re ******* ****â€.
On the tv I thought that was from our fans. Says everything if it was from theirs. Even ours didn't give him such a hard time when he was here.
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The guy has an absolute zest for playing football; he beams positivity, perseverance and a simple will to give everything his all during the 90 minutes.
Forgetting his obvious quality and very good start to the season - performances and goals - his infectious nature has rubbed off on other players and caught the imagination of fans.
Chuffed to have him at our club.
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The guy has an absolute zest for playing football; he beams positivity, perseverance and a simple will to give everything his all during the 90 minutes.
Forgetting his obvious quality and very good start to the season - performances and goals - his infectious nature has rubbed off on other players and caught the imagination of fans.
Chuffed to have him at our club.
Yeah, he was criminally underused last season but still had a big impact in a poor team, no surprise he has hit the ground running this season. Clever player, bit of everything, has pace to run in-behind, links, likes to play on the shoulder and a good goal poacher.
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Yeah, he was criminally underused last season but still had a big impact in a poor team, no surprise he has hit the ground running this season. Clever player, bit of everything, has pace to run in-behind, links, likes to play on the shoulder and a good goal poacher.
Bingo.
Great movement and always seems to pull away. Has a little bit of that kevin Phillips be in the right place ability. Good finisher 3 offside goals to boot. Best striker on our books and he isnt a striker...
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On the tv I thought that was from our fans. Says everything if it was from theirs. Even ours didn't give him such a hard time when he was here.
It was our fans initially but they joined in too
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Callum has the natural instincts of a “goal poacher†inside the six yard box and that’s something that can’t be taught.
In that respect, he is well suited to Val’s pressing game IMO.
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He's doing really well. Despite the obvious need for a centre forward I do have concerns about who would drop out. The current 3 rotate nicely during a game which just adds to the difficulties for defenders. We may lose something there by starting a specialist number 9.
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looks like he's enjoying playing football
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Top scorer in the division. But I feel if we do sign a "proper" striker it will be CR7 who drops to the bench. For me it would be Grant.
Just needs to watch that last man ;D
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Top scorer in the division. But I feel if we do sign a "proper" striker it will be CR7 who drops to the bench. For me it would be Grant.
Just needs to watch that last man ;D
I'd expect it to be Diangana who would drop to the bench with Grant and Robinson playing out wide.
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I'd expect it to be Diangana who would drop to the bench with Grant and Robinson playing out wide.
Not for me. By a distance our most talented player.
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Any striker we bring in at this stage would be going straight onto the bench. Robinson has been by far our best player, he's a on a roll. Grady has bags of talent is growing into the season (only subbed last night to rest his legs for Saturday) and Grant is slowly getting his match fitness and sharpness up, a lot more to come from him. It's a very strong front three at this level.
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Any striker we bring in at this stage would be going straight onto the bench. Robinson has been by far our best player, he's a on a roll. Grady has bags of talent is growing into the season (only subbed last night to rest his legs for Saturday) and Grant is slowly getting his match fitness and sharpness up, a lot more to come from him. It's a very strong front three at this level.
Grady was poor last night again. He definitely needs to improve or he will find himself on the bench before long.
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Not for me. By a distance our most talented player.
Diangana was up there with Periera for talent pre-COVID, since then we look to have signed his not so good twin which is frustrating as we know he can absolutely retire defenders in this league when hes on it!
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Grady was poor last night again. He definitely needs to improve or he will find himself on the bench before long.
I don't agree, I think he scared the hell out of them at times. Far from his best, but not poor. He only got 60 minutes anyway and by that stage we had battered them. Some of our fans need to be a bit more patient. This is his first consistent run in the team for a long time and you can't expect miracles every game. Just a matter of time before he does something special and clicks into gear.
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Don't say this lightly but i genuinely think Grady might benefit from talking to someone off the pitch. He had a big layoff and he's not the same player even at EFL level. It's like something is holding him back, possibly himself, in his mind. He was a fearless ,head-down run and take people on before the injury. Now it's just not happening and when he tries it he loses the ball or falls over.
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Diangana will be ok. He is missing the interplay between himself MP and Krovi.who each seemed to be on the same wavelength, but will develop understandings with CR7 and Grant as the team develops. CR7 and Grant also seem to be getting better with each game. Robinson looks a real danger at this level, long may it continue ;D
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Not for me. By a distance our most talented player.
Grady might be our most talented but - whether its a mixture of the system and confidence - he’s been one of our worst performers so far. He’s constantly lost the ball, passing has been woeful and his end product, well, non-existent.
In terms of performances, IMO he’d be the one to give way at the moment.
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He has been absolutely incredible this season and all the other players feed of him. He is an absolute guaranteed starter for me, he has been unplayable.
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1st name on the sheet when it comes to the current attacking 4 (himself, Grady, Grant and Phillips)
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He’s a threat at this level, could easily be our top scorer this year. At the moment I’expect he will beat his personal best single season goals (12).
If we sign a first choice centre forwards to play down the middle, then it would be a toss up for me between Grant or Grady dropping to the bench at the moment because CR has to play at the moment. With VIs preference to invert though that would mean Grant dropping out.
This is another way signing a centre forward gives us more depth and options.
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Ismael has confirmed he’s out with Covid..
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Ismael has confirmed he’s out with Covid..
Massive shame, he’s got momentum but I guess Hugill will start then
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Massive shame, he’s got momentum but I guess Hugill will start then
Hopefully it doesnt disrupt his personal form too much.
I thought he was out with covid towards end of season or maybe he just came into contact with somebody who tested positive
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Hopefully it doesnt disrupt his personal form too much.
I thought he was out with covid towards end of season or maybe he just came into contact with somebody who tested positive
Yes I think he had to isolate because of close contact while away on international duty
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CR has publicly confirmed that he has refused the vaccine. As far as I’m concerned he has every right, despite it not being a decision ii would take.
This could be interesting…. :D
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I'm very surprised he's decided not to take the vaccine and quite shocked tbh
The vaccine would help massively to protect him from covid 19, I don't get his thinking on this
Surely out of respect for the safety of his own family and workmates he should get a jab
Are people like him just relying on the vast majority of people who've had the jabs somehow protecting him?
He could be carrying covid couldn't he?
Surely a fit sportsman like him would want to feel safe, I like him as a player but as a human being he's dropped down a notch or two for me
Also why aren't WBA insisting on all players having a jab?
Covid is so infectious it must affect the squad at some time
Poor decision, what does he do when he visits his granny, what would she think of him?
Why doesn't his friends/family/club docter sit him down and explain all about covid and its consequences, I just don't get it
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I'm very surprised he's decided not to take the vaccine and quite shocked tbh
The vaccine would help massively to protect him from covid 19, I don't get his thinking on this
Surely out of respect for the safety of his own family and workmates he should get a jab
Are people like him just relying on the vast majority of people who've had the jabs somehow protecting him?
He could be carrying covid couldn't he?
Surely a fit sportsman like him would want to feel safe, I like him as a player but as a human being he's dropped down a notch or two for me
Also why aren't WBA insisting on all players having a jab?
Covid is so infectious it must affect the squad at some time
Poor decision, what does he do when he visits his granny, what would she think of him?
Why doesn't his friends/family/club docter sit him down and explain all about covid and its consequences, I just don't get it
When you start doing this you go down a very dangerous road. Ultimately it's his choice and his body, and I'm sure he has a different take on it to you.
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Don't agree with him not having the vaccine but that's his choice.
As far as I am aware having the jab or not does not affect your capability to carry the virus.
You could be fully jabbed bit still carry the virus to someone who isn't.
The jab is supposed to stop you getting very sick if you do contract Covid.
If he does get it again (I'm assuming you can get it more than once) then he runs the risk of getting sick with it.
His loss, lets not create an issue when there isn't one.
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Pretty sure Qatar have said non-vaxed players won't be allowed, but, as RoI not likely to qualify, that's a bit irrelevant. I suspect, however, if they were to make it, it would change his mind.
No reason given why he hasn't had it, just doesn't fancy it.
Can't force him, at this juncture, so just have to get on with it I guess. Could cause division within the ranks though and, from my point of view, I just don't get the rationale.
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Good on you Robbo.
Totally agree with him.
More and more are starting to say no.
I know we're not in the Prem, but the Premier League are looking at giving bonuses out to teams that have the most vaccinated players?! :o
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Sometimes wish I hadn't had mine.
Then, I wouldn't keep being pestered to buy Windows 11
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Good on you Robbo.
Totally agree with him.
More and more are starting to say no.
I know we're not in the Prem, but the Premier League are looking at giving bonuses out to teams that have the most vaccinated players?! :o
How does that work then with 90% of the population vaccinated?
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CR has every right to refuse a vaccine he doesn't need. He's had Covid already and no harm done so his natural immunity will be higher than those vaccinated.
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CR has every right to refuse a vaccine he doesn't need. He's had Covid already and no harm done so his natural immunity will be higher than those vaccinated.
Another falsehood.
Are you medically trained by the way Gaz?
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How does that work then with 90% of the population vaccinated?
More and more footballers are saying no*
Two thirds of top flight players are not jabbed.
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Pretty sure Qatar have said non-vaxed players won't be allowed, but, as RoI not likely to qualify, that's a bit irrelevant. I suspect, however, if they were to make it, it would change his mind.
No reason given why he hasn't had it, just doesn't fancy it.
Can't force him, at this juncture, so just have to get on with it I guess. Could cause division within the ranks though and, from my point of view, I just don't get the rationale.
His reason is that he’s been exposed to it at least once before so would have acquired immune responses naturally. Also I believe Qatar are accepting players testing now pretty sure they’ve dropped this requirement.
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Yes Tuamigos it's best not to derail the thread. I think that it's every players (or human in whatever field) right to take or refuse the vaccine sums it up best without us getting into anything else.
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More and more footballers are saying no*
Two thirds of top flight players are not jabbed.
So the teams in Champions League action will only be able to play jabbed players in away games, and when England play this week end only 8 of the last 24 man squad will be available?
:D You gotta loff aye ya?
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More and more footballers are saying no*
Two thirds of top flight players are not jabbed.
Footballers have never been known for their intelligence....but everyone has the choice.
As for CR its his choice to have it or not. Makes no difference to me, ive had my jabs.
If he doesn't want it then he doesn't have to have it.
Not going to lambast him for that...more power to him if he is ok with it
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Yes Tuamigos it's best not to derail the thread. I think that it's every players (or human in whatever field) right to take or refuse the vaccine sums it up best without us getting into anything else.
Which is what I have said in my post
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So you'll all remember we got rid of the Covid topic because it became a mess and people couldn't debate sensibly.
While the discussion relating to CR is relevant, obviously some degree of leniency is granted, but anything straying too far away will be removed
You have been warned
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You’d have thought having had Covid twice he might have wised up a bit but it seems not. If football is serious about getting as many players as possible vaccinated perhaps hitting him them in the pocket for every game an unvaccinated player misses due to having the virus or having to isolate may be worth a look
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So you'll all remember we got rid of the Covid topic because it became a mess and people couldn't debate sensibly.
While the discussion relating to CR is relevant, obviously some degree of leniency is granted, but anything straying too far away will be removed
You have been warned
Just when you thought the grown ups had gone out ???
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His reason is that he’s been exposed to it at least once before so would have acquired immune responses naturally. Also I believe Qatar are accepting players testing now pretty sure they’ve dropped this requirement.
I've only read the quotes on Sky and the Brum Mail, but he doesn't appear to have said that.
He's quoted as saying:
"I just haven't, I just haven't done it. I think it's your personal choice and my choice at this moment in time, I haven't been vaccinated."
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You’d have thought having had Covid twice he might have wised up a bit but it seems not. If football is serious about getting as many players as possible vaccinated perhaps hitting him them in the pocket for every game an unvaccinated player misses due to having the virus or having to isolate may be worth a look
Might be a case of he has had it twice and not been ill from it & as you can still get it, carry it and pass it on even if you have had the vaccination he might think is it worth it if he has already had it and not been ill.
The chances of young people becoming ill are very very slim as it is never mind young people who are as fit as footballers.
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Daily Mail in their article about him refusing the jab are claiming his contract is 27k per week. Would hope that's his PL wage.
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Wondering how close his team mates at the Baggies and Ireland will celebrate goals with him? Wonder would happen if he celebrated in the crowd ( not a huge chance of him celebrating a goal some might say)
At least he won't be able to be out on the town in night clubs before games without a vaccine passport.
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Wondering how close his team mates at the Baggies and Ireland will celebrate goals with him? Wonder would happen if he celebrated in the crowd ( not a huge chance of him celebrating a goal some might say)
At least he won't be able to be out on the town in night clubs before games without a vaccine passport.
Pass it on whether vaccinated or not so not too sure there would be any difference with players celebrating
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Wondering how close his team mates at the Baggies and Ireland will celebrate goals with him? Wonder would happen if he celebrated in the crowd ( not a huge chance of him celebrating a goal some might say)
At least he won't be able to be out on the town in night clubs before games without a vaccine passport.
Wouldn't make a difference at all.
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Wondering how close his team mates at the Baggies and Ireland will celebrate goals with him? Wonder would happen if he celebrated in the crowd ( not a huge chance of him celebrating a goal some might say)
At least he won't be able to be out on the town in night clubs before games without a vaccine passport.
I’m pretty sure majority of his peers wouldn’t care and his teammates probably know. Can’t see why this is even news.
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Surprised at Callum not having the jab.
A couple of weeks ago a guy in his 30’s who lived around here in North Staffs and was fit as a butcher’s dog and played local football and ran marathons died of Covid after refusing the inoculation.
Whilst in hospital prior to being put on a ventilator he pleaded that people should have the jab - he died two days later.
Also, wasn’t there a 15 year old who died of Covid the other day who had no underlying health issues.
Get jabbed Callum!
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Must admit that I am surprised and a little disappointed by his decision, especially since there is overwhelming evidence of the positive impact the vaccine has had on our health and our economical recovery. It is his choice however and should have no impact upon what we think of the lad.
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Wonder if Callum has considered the consequences of ‘LONG COVID’ which, if he contracted that after having short Covid once or twice, it could end his footballing career.
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Wonder if Callum has considered the consequences of ‘LONG COVID’ which, if he contracted that after having short Covid once or twice, it could end his footballing career.
He's had it twice. He doesn't need the vaccine.
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Sorry Gaz, I wasn’t aware you could never get Covid a third time but I bow to your superior medical knowledge.
If, as you say, being unvaccinated and having Covid twice, he can never catch ‘Long Covid’ it will never be a possible career ending issue.
You can get Covid as many times as you get it. It's the new cold/flu going forward now the vaccines are out for those who need it. What i am saying is each time he gets it his immune system becomes stronger once it's got rid of it so the likelihood of him getting long covid reduces.
I'm double jabbed and i got the delta variant 2 months ago, getting the vaccine doesn't stop you getting COVID so why would he lower his natural immunity for no reason? He is acting logically.
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…and he will never personally get only mildly ill but pass it on to a vulnerable person who then gets very ill or dies.
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…and he will never personally get only mildly ill but pass it on to a vulnerable person who then gets very ill or dies.
And if a significant number of people follow that logic ..........
We decry selfish behaviour in the concourses / stands, but this is ok, I am baffled.
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Apps Mins Goals Assists SpG KeyP Drb Fouled Off Disp UnsTch
7(3) 628 3 3 2.5 0.8 0.2 0.8 0.6 1.2 0.9
Mins: Minutes played Goals: Total goals Assists: Total assists SpG: Shots per game KeyP: Key passes per game Drb: Dribbles per game Fouled: Fouled per game Off: Offsides per game Disp: Dispossessed per game UnsTch: Bad control per game
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/138768/Show/Callum-Robinson
Very good start to the season hope it continues, been involved in a goal every 104 minutes, nearly one every game. Still feel he’s got a couple of gears in him and room to improve, very surprised at the dribbling statistic
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Really don't agree with him.
It's a global pandemic that's still killing and severely injuring so many people.
Unless you have a medical reason you should have the jab to protect yourself and those around you. End of....
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Apps Mins Goals Assists SpG KeyP Drb Fouled Off Disp UnsTch
7(3) 628 3 3 2.5 0.8 0.2 0.8 0.6 1.2 0.9
Mins: Minutes played Goals: Total goals Assists: Total assists SpG: Shots per game KeyP: Key passes per game Drb: Dribbles per game Fouled: Fouled per game Off: Offsides per game Disp: Dispossessed per game UnsTch: Bad control per game
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/138768/Show/Callum-Robinson
Very good start to the season hope it continues, been involved in a goal every 104 minutes, nearly one every game. Still feel he’s got a couple of gears in him and room to improve, very surprised at the dribbling statistic
Nice to see we are back to footy, agree he is one of our shining lights, Prem quality ??? Chumps quality ?? - definitely top end !
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Apps Mins Goals Assists SpG KeyP Drb Fouled Off Disp UnsTch
7(3) 628 3 3 2.5 0.8 0.2 0.8 0.6 1.2 0.9
Mins: Minutes played Goals: Total goals Assists: Total assists SpG: Shots per game KeyP: Key passes per game Drb: Dribbles per game Fouled: Fouled per game Off: Offsides per game Disp: Dispossessed per game UnsTch: Bad control per game
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/138768/Show/Callum-Robinson
Very good start to the season hope it continues, been involved in a goal every 104 minutes, nearly one every game. Still feel he’s got a couple of gears in him and room to improve, very surprised at the dribbling statistic
Somewhat relieved to find no links to a variety of sports science research papers eventhough I'm sure the temptation was there. Kudos ;D 8) .
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Wondering how close his team mates at the Baggies and Ireland will celebrate goals with him? Wonder would happen if he celebrated in the crowd ( not a huge chance of him celebrating a goal some might say)
At least he won't be able to be out on the town in night clubs before games without a vaccine passport.
I'm sure you'd still celebrate with him if he jumped into the crowd!
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Somewhat relieved to find no links to a variety of sports science research papers eventhough I'm sure the temptation was there. Kudos ;D 8) .
Section 5 has tie wrapped his fingers together so that the urge is tempered.
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You can get Covid as many times as you get it. It's the new cold/flu going forward now the vaccines are out for those who need it. What i am saying is each time he gets it his immune system becomes stronger once it's got rid of it so the likelihood of him getting long covid reduces.
I'm double jabbed and i got the delta variant 2 months ago, getting the vaccine doesn't stop you getting COVID so why would he lower his natural immunity for no reason? He is acting logically.
Well as he’s had it twice already his immune system doesn’t seem that good !
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Really don't agree with him.
It's a global pandemic that's still killing and severely injuring so many people.
Unless you have a medical reason you should have the jab to protect yourself and those around you. End of....
This is pretty much how I feel about it, but I've also run out of any energy to get agitated by the antics and distorted logic of those who don't take the vaccine.
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Well as he’s had it twice already his immune system doesn’t seem that good !
It is because he's not suffered any real distress. Just bored for 10 days at a time.
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He's right to do as he please however as a role model in society this opinion he probably could have kept to himself so as not to discourage others.
Anyway to the football itself of the players that we currently have on the books he is one of a handful that might make th step up eventually.
After mowatt he's been our most influential player in an attacking sense this season
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More and more footballers are saying no*
Two thirds of top flight players are not jabbed.
Footballers are well known for their intelligence so it must be a good idea :o
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fair play to him having the balls to say hes not having it just like i wont. you know theres only 7 clubs out of 20 that has there players full vaccinated. in the premier league .
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I’m really annoyed at this…
Parking the fact that the medical experts on here all know that he’s never going to be at risk and therefore there’s defined no harm done….
What about the fact that he has a contractual obligation to be as fit as possible and be available for selection…..when he’s out (again) he could potentially mis two weeks of games that could have been totally avoided (or at least minimised), are we going to fine him(as I believe chelsea should Kante etc)?
What about the potential long term damage to the club, if his goal ratio is one in 3 and he misses 6 games and we fail to get automatic by one goal diff? Doesn’t that matter.
I fully believe in freedom of choice, I do not believe in freedom to do what the hell you like and someone else covers the financial implications.
I have avoided this debate due to the fact i might get myself a ban. But i agree with what you say wholeheartedly.
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I’m really annoyed at this…
Parking the fact that the medical experts on here all know that he’s never going to be at risk and therefore there’s defined no harm done….
What about the fact that he has a contractual obligation to be as fit as possible and be available for selection…..when he’s out (again) he could potentially mis two weeks of games that could have been totally avoided (or at least minimised), are we going to fine him(as I believe chelsea should Kante etc)?
What about the potential long term damage to the club, if his goal ratio is one in 3 and he misses 6 games and we fail to get automatic by one goal diff? Doesn’t that matter.
I fully believe in freedom of choice, I do not believe in freedom to do what the hell you like and someone else covers the financial implications.
He can still get it whether he is vaccinated or not
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It's easy to take this lax attitude this attitude when your wages are guaranteed for those in jobs where no work means no pay it's a different story.
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I’m really annoyed at this…
Parking the fact that the medical experts on here all know that he’s never going to be at risk and therefore there’s defined no harm done….
What about the fact that he has a contractual obligation to be as fit as possible and be available for selection…..when he’s out (again) he could potentially mis two weeks of games that could have been totally avoided (or at least minimised), are we going to fine him(as I believe chelsea should Kante etc)?
What about the potential long term damage to the club, if his goal ratio is one in 3 and he misses 6 games and we fail to get automatic by one goal diff? Doesn’t that matter.
I fully believe in freedom of choice, I do not believe in freedom to do what the hell you like and someone else covers the financial implications.
His body, his choice. Maternity pay must really urine you off :P
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Ironic isn’t it when you think that we as fans will have to be double-jabbed with a documentation passport to go and watch a game at The Hawthorns when some of those we would be watching have had no jab whatsoever.
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And if a significant number of people follow that logic ..........
We decry selfish behaviour in the concourses / stands, but this is ok, I am baffled.
We are actually in complete agreement. My point was to the previous poster who was suggesting that CR was ok because he’d caught it twice. CR might well only get mildly ill because he’s a young and fit athlete but that should be irrelevant as he can still pass the illness on to someone who gets desperately ill or dies. For that reason alone he should get vaccinated. He should also recognise his role as a role model at a time when we should be persuading as many people as possible to be vaccinated.
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Without being political:
2) The antibodies and t-cell resistance provided by recovering naturally from covid has been shown so far to be more robust and long lasting than from vaccination.
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Well he’s had Covid twice in less than 12 months which suggests either his immune system is not very good or he has not been following protocols to closely considering how often they were tested , how much they will have been mollycoddled etc etc.
On a different point surely the club would quite within their rights to inflict some sort of punishment as not only is he putting himself at risk but others in the dressing room as well which in turn damages the clubs goal of promotion
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Just another case with this virus of "Do as I say not as I do".
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Oh well. Here's hoping Callum doesn't get Covid for a third time, doesn't pass it on to anyone else and remembers to take his proof of a negative test result with him to Swansea on October 20th.
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I've had my jabs and would urge anyone to do so still.
That said it is entirely his choice and it only really impacts us as supporters of West Bromwich Albion should he start missing games due to being in contact with someone who has tested positive - as there is no longer a requirement for the double-jabbed to do this. If he were to miss any further games this season because of this I would expect the club to have a word. Until that point it's his business.
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We are actually in complete agreement. My point was to the previous poster who was suggesting that CR was ok because he’d caught it twice. CR might well only get mildly ill because he’s a young and fit athlete but that should be irrelevant as he can still pass the illness on to someone who gets desperately ill or dies. For that reason alone he should get vaccinated. He should also recognise his role as a role model at a time when we should be persuading as many people as possible to be vaccinated.
yes I know, we are violently agreeing !
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We are actually in complete agreement. My point was to the previous poster who was suggesting that CR was ok because he’d caught it twice. CR might well only get mildly ill because he’s a young and fit athlete but that should be irrelevant as he can still pass the illness on to someone who gets desperately ill or dies. For that reason alone he should get vaccinated. He should also recognise his role as a role model at a time when we should be persuading as many people as possible to be vaccinated.
He can still pass it on whether vaccinated or not
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He can still pass it on whether vaccinated or not
Correct, which means if he gets the vaccine or not is a personal choice for him and should be left at that. I feel a bit sorry that Callum is being held up in the spotlight of all of this, he is far from unique and I look forward to talking about his football performances again.
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The point is. we would all still be locked in our houses if we all took this attitude and as been said he is a role model, sorry I work in the NHS and I see no reason what so ever for someone to refuse it unless there is a medical reason.
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And at 100%, the Ding1e5 are Pride of the Midlands when it comes to vaccinations.
How embarrassing.
Why is it embarrassing?
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Seriously cannot see why we are discussing this. Had CR not mentioned it, neither would we. When you go to the ground do you know everyone sat round you are fully vaccinated? You and I will not have to sit in a confined space with him so its not an issue. Its a matter for Callum, and Callum alone.
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I think you'll find what is keeping Australia locked up is a slow vaccine roll out that has been hampered by a big anti-vax movement. However, that's a different discussion.
Shouldn't really be delving this deep into CR's personal reasons for having or not having the vaccine on here.
But as an international footballer he has to travel to various countries some of which will not you or I in if we aren’t as fully vaccinated as we should be . His privileged job should not let him or others circumnavigate the rules
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Without going through all of this thread so apologies if its been mentioned already BUT if he has had it twice, surely he is naturally immune enough now with antibodies not to need the jab?
PS - He can still travel to all bar seven countries, he just has to have PCR tests whereas we (double vaxed) don't
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It is Callum Robinsons choice and no one should pass judgement and tell him what he should and should not do.
We have a lot of people telling us what we should do to protect others, yet these are the people who jump into their petrol swilling cars belting out exhaust fumes which is causing cancer in people everyday.
Also cancer killed a lot more people last year than Covid.
I think people should start getting on with their lives and not get influenced by peoples views in the media.
So good on you Callum Robinson for sticking by what you think and what you want and not what society thinks you should do !!
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Can this thread be used to discuss Callum Robinson's footballing abilities going forwards.
Sweden and anti-vaxxers have nothing to do with Callum Robinson.
I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that we've had to remove personal insults from fans towards him.
There is no more Covid discussion in this thread. Future posts will just be removed.
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Just scored a cracking goal for Ireland to put them ahead.
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And another 👍👍
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The goals !
https://streamja.com/N3MRj
https://streamja.com/05aQA
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Go on son!
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Quite like Dara o’ Brains comment……..’ It probably helps when the defenders don’t want to get within 2 metres of Robinson !’ …
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Who said he wouldn't have 2 shots :D
Pleased for him, 2 good finishes from a bloke who I constantly hear is a nice guy. He seems in real goal.scoring form at the moment and I'd have him as a starter for us every game at the moment.
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2 more goals for Callum tonight after 13 mins..
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2 more goals for Callum tonight after 13 mins..
Steady in Callum!
Lai will be selling you next if you keep this scoring up!
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Hat-trick!
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5 goals in 2 games. It’s a shame we okay in 3 days time as I can’t see Ismael risking him.
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Not wanting to sound horrible but I don't care what he or anyone else does in international football. I want him scoring goals for US.
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Let’s hope this scoring run continues
Fair play Callum
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Bet Gareth Southgate wishes Callum was English given Harry Kane’s dismal showing tonight!
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Did Callum Robinson cost us anything or was it a straight swap for The Burke?
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Did Callum Robinson cost us anything or was it a straight swap for The Burke?
Straight swap I believe buddy. Great business… for us :)
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5 goals in 2 games. It’s a shame we okay in 3 days time as I can’t see Ismael risking him.
Ismael only plays him 45 minutes regardless, been that way the whole season. By far our best central striker, and criminally underused by both this manager and last season.
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Did Callum Robinson cost us anything or was it a straight swap for The Burke?
Was stated we paid 2/3m on top at the time. Still worth it to get rid of Burke if nothing else.
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Not wanting to sound horrible but I don't care what he or anyone else does in international football. I want him scoring goals for US.
Didn’t know you cared so strongly about American national team :-\ :-*
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If anybody is interested he played as an inside right forward behind a 9 on Saturday and through the middle yesterday.
I think we should just start him on Friday, he’ll be in the mood and confident. Even if he only gets 50/55 minutes.
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Great to see Callum scoring but Stephen Kenny gave him 70 odd minutes in a meaningless international friendly when the game was sewn up by the third goal on 53.
This after leaving him on for 90+ minutes in a qualifier just days before. Poor management of a player competing for promotion from a fixture packed Championship. No thought for the player or his employers.
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Great to see Callum scoring but Stephen Kenny gave him 70 odd minutes in a meaningless international friendly when the game was sewn up by the third goal on 53.
This after leaving him on for 90+ minutes in a qualifier just days before. Poor management of a player competing for promotion from a fixture packed Championship. No thought for the player or his employers.
Weigh anchor
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Ismael only plays him 45 minutes regardless, been that way the whole season. By far our best central striker, and criminally underused by both this manager and last season.
Callum Robinson has played for over an hour in six of his ten league appearances this season (Transfermarkt), completing the full ninety minutes against Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Blackburn and most recently Stoke City.
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Great to see Callum scoring but Stephen Kenny gave him 70 odd minutes in a meaningless international friendly when the game was sewn up by the third goal on 53.
This after leaving him on for 90+ minutes in a qualifier just days before. Poor management of a player competing for promotion from a fixture packed Championship. No thought for the player or his employers.
It doesn’t worry me too much. Being on the pitch and playing well probably more than offsets the minutes. So much about the relentless number of games is mental rather than physical tiredness, and mentally he should be feeling 100%.
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Simply has to start, no question. He's on fire at the minute and will be chomping at the bit to get stuck into Blues.
When the alternatives are the non-scoring Hugil or Diangana it's a no brainer for me.
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It doesn’t worry me too much. Being on the pitch and playing well probably more than offsets the minutes. So much about the relentless number of games is mental rather than physical tiredness, and mentally he should be feeling 100%.
There's no doubt he'll be on the crest of a wave at the moment but it's a long old domestic season with other international appearances to come.
It's not just the physical and mental aspects of playing time either, it's the associated travel times. Azerbaijan for instance isn't just around the corner.
It's a totting up process which could well kick in later in the season, quite possibly at the business end. Poor resource management from Kenny even at this early stage of the season.
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Well played Callum
Put him straight back in on Friday night, give him 60 then rest him
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Not going to be easy in a local derby, so I hope we do not play him. Maybe give him the last 15 mins just to keep his hand in so to speak, or if, God forbid, we need a goal and he might make the difference. After 2 meaningless internationals, and the travelling, his body needs a little rest even if he is feeling 100% mentally. Think he is the sort to come back stronger if held on the rein a bit.
One never knows: and I understand that we should perhaps look out for the Tamworth and Gloucester old spot aerobatic teams, Hugill, Grant and/or Grady, or whoever IV puts in might just do a job. It doesn't matter so much how, as how many points we can accrue at the moment.
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Well played Callum
Put him straight back in on Friday night, give him 60 then rest him
If he can score 2 in 13 minutes again, he can be in the bath before half time!
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Well played Callum
Put him straight back in on Friday night, give him 60 then rest him
He starts for me, 100%
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Unless there is a fitness issue he starts surely ! Would be a kick in the proverbials not to, I think.
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He may score the winner later so I may have a slice of humble pie….
However, what does this guy do?
His touch is worse than Hugill and he is useless at everything else.
Terrible CF. Him and Hugill must be our worst two 9’s duo in history.
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I like Robinson but he needs to be scoring 12-18 goals a season to be taken seriously at any level
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Simply put, just isn’t good enough sadly
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Don't understand the love in people have with him.....so poor.
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He may score the winner later so I may have a slice of humble pie….
However, what does this guy do?
His touch is worse than Hugill and he is useless at everything else.
Terrible CF. Him and Hugill must be our worst two 9’s duo in history.
Robinson who put a great ball in with his left foot late on to Bartley which their keeper saved well. Lot of assists this season and terrible balls being played up to him.
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Robinson who put a great ball in with his left foot late on to Bartley which their keeper saved well. Lot of assists this season and terrible balls being played up to him.
I’m with you
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How he stayed on the pitch all game I'll never know. A total embarrassment.
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It was a very poor performance for me tonight, and I've seen him have quite a few poor performances but ultimately I think he is a good player to have in your squad in the Championship in my opinion.
If we had a decent goal scorer up there he would be a good option to have with a heavy fixture pile up, but he's far from a premier league standard.
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Very poor again lately. Not good enough.
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Not a centre forward. He can do a job in a wider position, but it needs to be part of a balanced front 3 where there is an attacking midfielder creating chances.
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Heart the size of a pea. No fight or battle whatsoever.
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Very poor again lately. Not good enough.
Not being funny but can you name a player who has performed very well this season, there will not be many if any and that is the problem.
It’s not about individuals.
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Not being funny but can you name a player who has performed very well this season, there will not be many if any and that is the problem.
It’s not about individuals.
He's been consistently poor as of late. I quite like CR at this level but he's been pants recently.
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Not being funny but can you name a player who has performed very well this season, there will not be many if any and that is the problem.
It’s not about individuals.
Disagree entirely. Had Livermore, Furlong and Hugill not been in our team we'd be top or at least around the top two.
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He's been consistently poor as of late. I quite like CR at this level but he's been pants recently.
Surely it would be easier to name players who have not been consistently poor recently.
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Surely it would be easier to name players who have not been consistently poor recently.
Well Vals gone back to his tried and tested of course no one is doing well.
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Not a centre forward. He can do a job in a wider position, but it needs to be part of a balanced front 3 where there is an attacking midfielder creating chances.
I won't defend Robinson but as above he's a player totally unsuited to how we play yet worryingly he's probably got most assists .
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Disagree entirely. Had Livermore, Furlong and Hugill not been in our team we'd be top or at least around the top two.
I’d agree if you were to add Townsend, Diangana, Kipre, Reach etc
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I’d agree if you were to add Townsend, Diangana, Kipre, Reach etc
Have you not read the forum rules? You are not allowed to say that about Townsend, he is the second coming of Corberan ;D
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Have you not read the forum rules? You are not allowed to say that about Townsend, he is the second coming of Corberan ;D
They’re not our rules thank you..
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Only decent chance we had in game and he bottled it and like most of our senior player’s he thinks he’s better than he actually is.
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Only decent chance we had in game and he bottled it and like most of our senior player’s he thinks he’s better than he actually is.
I like Callum, but he has been very poor of late. I suspect that he has crossed swords with VI , and that the manager would like to see the back of him.
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Why is he so scared of physical contact?
Practically runs away from opposition players.
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Fluffed the 1 on 1 he had.
Not a central striker and as it stands is behind grant for the wide left berth. The squad has a lot of overpaid and overrated players Robinson is one of them.
I do like him as a player as he is clever and different to most of the motley crew we have. Big window coming up for us
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The fact he’s gone from being a bit part player to an integral member of the side is testament to how bad the club has been managed.
He’s a very average player with the heart and attitude to match it
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Robinson is poor and not the bravest. He continues to dine out with many fans on the back of one or two good performances. Fans must remember that Wilder who many would have preferred to VI got shot in favour of Burke !!
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Think he is a player who will work hard but does not know where his position is as it changes every week.
He's not a winger as does not have the natural pace to scare defences. Fellows was more driving in his cameo to than the other midfielders.
How many times have we played the same front three in consecutive games? Lumping the ball into the box is not going to serve any purpose apart from a positive stat statistic.
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Robinson is poor and not the bravest. He continues to dine out with many fans on the back of one or two good performances. Fans must remember that Wilder who many would have preferred to VI got shot in favour of Burke !!
You also have to remember Wilder signed Robinson too for Sheff Utd for a decent amount.....
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Why is he so scared of physical contact?
Practically runs away from opposition players.
Because he's physically weak, much like Diangana and neither have enough pace, bottle or aggression, nor sheer class, to offset that. They don't like the physicality of this league.
Robinson is the better of the two but he's a mid table Championship wide forward.
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You also have to remember Wilder signed Robinson too for Sheff Utd for a decent amount.....
Clearly recognised his mistake !
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I think he is better when surrounded by footballing players. He linked up well with Pereira, Krovinovic and Diangana (before his injury). When you are looking for reverse passes with Hugill and Livermore, more often than not the passes are going to be overhit or inaccurate. That's assuming they are on the same wavelength in the first place.
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The majority of the time his first touch is not good enough, the ball gets away from him and he doesn't have the physical presence to win it back. One of those players that looks busy but contributes very little if he isn't scoring.
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Frustrating player. Hangs onto the ball too long rendering his teammates off the ball runs redundant while giving defenders time to readjust. Has a good understanding with Grant but Robinson seems to struggle with the responsibility of having the ball when Grant's not an option in our set up.
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The fact he’s gone from being a bit part player to an integral member of the side is testament to how bad the club has been managed.
We've only got 6 experienced forwards, 3 of whom are currently injured (Zohore would rightly not be selected anyway) and then there's also Hugill who most here would be happy to see never selected to start. On that basis, I'm not quite sure how Robinson can be left out of the side? I don't think the fact that he's starting games can't be put down to bad management but to us having a poor set of forwards overall. Diangana is playing worse than Robinson IMO.
Some people are clamouring for Cleary to play whilst knowing absolutely nothing about him or how suited he would be to the demands of this league. It's as if they don't like most of the experienced forwards we have, so someone (anyone) must be better than them. It doesn't work like that I'm afraid.
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Why doesn’t it work asking for U23 forwards to be given a chance ? The current set of first team forwards have failed miserably time and time again ? How can anyone else do any worse than not score , which is what we currently do match after match !
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We've only got 6 experienced forwards, 3 of whom are currently injured (Zohore would rightly not be selected anyway) and then there's also Hugill who most here would be happy to see never selected to start. On that basis, I'm not quite sure how Robinson can be left out of the side? I don't think the fact that he's starting games can't be put down to bad management but to us having a poor set of forwards overall. Diangana is playing worse than Robinson IMO.
Some people are clamouring for Cleary to play whilst knowing absolutely nothing about him or how suited he would be to the demands of this league. It's as if they don't like most of the experienced forwards we have, so someone (anyone) must be better than them. It doesn't work like that I'm afraid.
Why not? It's worked like that many times in the past, not just here but throughout football. Just this season many said the same about TGH and Fellows yet they have shown they can, not just compete, but should probably start ahead of the more experienced present incumbents, Robinson especially. He's so desperate to score, he has become selfish and blinkered to the runs of other players and, when he does get a chance, he just lacks the composure that we have seen in the past.
The one thing that is undoubtedly missing from all of our forwards, amongst other things, is confidence and this is something that Cleary should have in spades. He's scoring goals, being talked about amongst the fans and being linked with some of the biggest clubs in Europe. This alone could be the difference between finding the bottom corner or row Z.
I'm sure there were many Blues fans who made similar comments about Bellingham and, guess what, they were wrong.
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We've only got 6 experienced forwards, 3 of whom are currently injured (Zohore would rightly not be selected anyway) and then there's also Hugill who most here would be happy to see never selected to start. On that basis, I'm not quite sure how Robinson can be left out of the side? I don't think the fact that he's starting games can't be put down to bad management but to us having a poor set of forwards overall. Diangana is playing worse than Robinson IMO.
Thank you for confirming the point I was making..
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If you look at the current situation from one of the youngster's perspective, they can see the forward line misfiring week in and week out, and are probably chomping at the bit to have a go, but VI keeps them either on the bench, or completely out of the game day squad. After a while its going to start to annoy any young player, and rightly so in my opinion. I'd be thinking 'At least give me a shot, I can't do any worse'. But this runs through virtually every football club, from professionals to local park football. We've all been there at some point. There will come a time when a youngster thinks he may as well go elsewhere to try his luck, which may go some way to explaining our current situation with losing youngsters every year.
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The primary motivator for the majority of our younger players moving elsewhere in recent seasons is money. Purely and simply money. Not game time. Not career development. Money.
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If you look at the current situation from one of the youngster's perspective, they can see the forward line misfiring week in and week out, and are probably chomping at the bit to have a go, but VI keeps them either on the bench, or completely out of the game day squad. After a while its going to start to annoy any young player, and rightly so in my opinion. I'd be thinking 'At least give me a shot, I can't do any worse'. But this runs through virtually every football club, from professionals to local park football. We've all been there at some point. There will come a time when a youngster thinks he may as well go elsewhere to try his luck, which may go some way to explaining our current situation with losing youngsters every year.
There is no comparison between local parks football & the professional game.
With local parks football, you either play or don't play.
WBA have at least 3 teams (first team, PL2 team & under 18's) all playing competitive football.
So at any one time, there are between 33 & 45 players all getting game time & all being assessed by their respective coaches.
Although VI will be the final arbitrator, the promotion decision making will be a process. Some players will know instinctively what they need to do to improve, others will need to be shown.
The ones with instinct will probably succeed, the others may struggle.
The competition is always fiercer as you get closer to the top, & it's up to the individual.
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If you will permit me to use the following analogy
I recall at the age of 16 sitting in the passenger seat next to my brother, he was 4 years older than me and driving his newish car.
I watched, observed and thought to myself, there's nothing to this driving lark and kept pestering him for a go, as younger brothers do.
He duly obliged (foolish thing for him to do on reflection, but he loved his younger brother) and when I mounted the curb because I had no concept of the myriad of activities I needed to master and that were going on around me that I had no control over, I reflected and though I better ask my mom and dad for driving lessons for my 17th birthday present to ensure I was ready for the road.
Thank heavens for driving schools and driving instructors as I can only imagine the carnage without them 8)
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If you will permit me to use the following analogy
I recall at the age of 16 sitting in the passenger seat next to my brother, he was 4 years older than me and driving his newish car.
I watched, observed and thought to myself, there's nothing to this driving lark and kept pestering him for a go, as younger brothers do.
He duly obliged (foolish thing for him to do on reflection, but he loved his younger brother) and when I mounted the curb because I had no concept of the myriad of activities I needed to master and that were going on around me that I had no control over, I reflected and though I better ask my mom and dad for driving lessons for my 17th birthday present to ensure I was ready for the road.
Thank heavens for driving schools and driving instructors as I can only imagine the carnage without them 8)
Not really the same though as you had no experience.
There are many 17 year old, qualified drivers, who are far more competent and confident than those supposedly older and wiser.
You can't chuck any old kid in there, but one who is willing, able and, confident should, always, be considered.
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Not really the same though as you had no experience.
There are many 17 year old, qualified drivers, who are far more competent and confident than those supposedly older and wiser.
You can't chuck any old kid in there, but one who is willing, able and, confident should, always, be considered.
OK, I was 17, had passed my test, my brother was a HGV driver, so fit the rest of the analogy round that description. ::)
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OK, I was 17, had passed my test, my brother was a HGV driver, so fit the rest of the analogy round that description. ::)
Thanks for your support, just trying to illustrate that professional elite level sport is nothing like it's amateur equivalent.
When I was a school, I remember at least 5 lads who were really good footballers, they had the physique & balance needed to become pros.
Every one had trials for professional clubs & not one progressed, they all ended up playing either amateur or semi-pro level.
It's really difficult to become a professional sportsman at any level, you have to be really special to make it at elite level.
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There is no comparison between local parks football & the professional game.
With local parks football, you either play or don't play.
WBA have at least 3 teams (first team, PL2 team & under 18's) all playing competitive football.
So at any one time, there are between 33 & 45 players all getting game time & all being assessed by their respective coaches.
Although VI will be the final arbitrator, the promotion decision making will be a process. Some players will know instinctively what they need to do to improve, others will need to be shown.
The ones with instinct will probably succeed, the others may struggle.
The competition is always fiercer as you get closer to the top, & it's up to the individual.
The problem these days is PL2 isn’t much of a preparation for 1st team football . There are few challenges going in it’s very much become like basketball , where one team will have the ball , pass it nicely until they have a shot , ball goes out of play , or there is a misplaced pass then the other side has a go . Compared to the old Central League it is all very nicey nicey !
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OK, I was 17, had passed my test, my brother was a HGV driver, so fit the rest of the analogy round that description. ::)
Sorry to be pedantic but, technically, no. ;) Your brother would still have an additional skill so not like for like.
Huggy has no additional skills to Cleary, he just has more experience, which, using a driving analogy simply doesn't automatically make him better. ;D
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The problem these days is PL2 isn’t much of a preparation for 1st team football . There are few challenges going in it’s very much become like basketball , where one team will have the ball , pass it nicely until they have a shot , ball goes out of play , or there is a misplaced pass then the other side has a go . Compared to the old Central League it is all very nicey nicey !
I would love to see the old Central League return. It was proper competitive reserve team football.
This U23 stuff is devoid of real commitment or tactics. You never see a team like up to cancel out another.
I don't like modern football, don't agree with the structure of it at all. I only watch Albion games don't want to know about anything else.
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Sorry to be pedantic but, technically, no. ;) Your brother would still have an additional skill so not like for like.
Huggy has no additional skills to Cleary, he just has more experience, which, using a driving analogy simply doesn't automatically make him better. ;D
Hugill will have tonnes of mental attributes that Cleary doesn't have, and I think experience is being under played massively here. Plenty of 17/18 year olds are as tall as they will ever be. If the only thing they were lacking was strength you could fix that in months.
Just 23 players have made an appearance in the championdship under 19 this season:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/juengsteaelteste/wettbewerb/GB2
I've not checked but I bet at least half of those have played less than half an hour. I can imagine if you looked at total. There are reasons why these kids aren't playing and its not just because no manager is brave enough.
Yet some it would seem would be starting both Cleary and Fellows if they were in charge.
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Hugill will have tonnes of mental attributes that Cleary doesn't have, and I think experience is being under played massively here. Plenty of 17/18 year olds are as tall as they will ever be. If the only thing they were lacking was strength you could fix that in months.
Just 23 players have made an appearance in the championdship under 19 this season:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/juengsteaelteste/wettbewerb/GB2
I've not checked but I bet at least half of those have played less than half an hour. I can imagine if you looked at total. There are reasons why these kids aren't playing and its not just because no manager is brave enough.
Yet some it would seem would be starting both Cleary and Fellows if they were in charge.
The level in the Championship is extremely high. It might not seem like it when you look at the Premier League and it may not seem like it to the naked eye, but you try playing in it. Players may not have the skill level of the PL but generally they are strong, very quick and know the game.
It's a huge step up for youngsters. Yes they can make it but people underestimate the jump. Introducing them isn't just a gamble to the teams results but it can be very damaging to a kids career if they can't handle it. You only have to look at Sam Field, Kyle Edwards, Jonathan Leko, Rekeem Harper - where are they now?
Dara made the jump, Taylor GH I'm sure will, Fellows may or may not. Cleary completely unknown.
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The level in the Championship is extremely high. It might not seem like it when you look at the Premier League and it may not seem like it to the naked eye, but you try playing in it. Players may not have the skill level of the PL but generally they are strong, very quick and know the game.
It's a huge step up for youngsters. Yes they can make it but people underestimate the jump. Introducing them isn't just a gamble to the teams results but it can be very damaging to a kids career if they can't handle it. You only have to look at Sam Field, Kyle Edwards, Jonathan Leko, Rekeem Harper - where are they now?
Dara made the jump, Taylor GH I'm sure will, Fellows may or may not. Cleary completely unknown.
All of those had successful initiations to the first team and none of their careers have been ruined, they are all accomplished professionals. If anything they are an endorsement for TGH, Fellows and Cleary being integrated.
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Hugill will have tonnes of mental attributes that Cleary doesn't have, and I think experience is being under played massively here. Plenty of 17/18 year olds are as tall as they will ever be. If the only thing they were lacking was strength you could fix that in months.
Just 23 players have made an appearance in the championdship under 19 this season:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/juengsteaelteste/wettbewerb/GB2
I've not checked but I bet at least half of those have played less than half an hour. I can imagine if you looked at total. There are reasons why these kids aren't playing and its not just because no manager is brave enough.
Yet some it would seem would be starting both Cleary and Fellows if they were in charge.
Not many advocating starting Cleary, I certainly haven't, I see no reason why he can't come off the bench though. Our subs this season, especially Hugill, have had zero impact on games.
Not sure how you ascertain that Hugill is mentally stronger than Cleary either.
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All of those had successful initiations to the first team and none of their careers have been ruined, they are all accomplished professionals. If anything they are an endorsement for TGH, Fellows and Cleary being integrated.
Field and Leko made their debuts in the Premier League. One is now a bit part player at Championship QPR (career severely hampered by injuries admittedly) and the other wasn't even wanted by Blues. His career is going nowhere.
Edwards is going through the motions in League 1 at Ipswich and not making a ripple in the water, Harper much the same.
When these guys made their debuts everybody expected better than than where they are now.
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The problem these days is PL2 isn’t much of a preparation for 1st team football . There are few challenges going in it’s very much become like basketball , where one team will have the ball , pass it nicely until they have a shot , ball goes out of play , or there is a misplaced pass then the other side has a go . Compared to the old Central League it is all very nicey nicey !
As a rule, I don't watch PL2 Football, but I know there are members of this forum who do.
Given some of the situations & conditions which you describe there, how good a benchmark would scoring goals in PL2 be, in determining if a player is ready for first team football?
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Field and Leko made their debuts in the Premier League. One is now a bit part player at Championship QPR (career severely hampered by injuries admittedly) and the other wasn't even wanted by Blues. His career is going nowhere.
Edwards is going through the motions in League 1 at Ipswich and not making a ripple in the water, Harper much the same.
When these guys made their debuts everybody expected better than than where they are now.
Are you saying that where they are now, despite them all being well payed professional footballers, at a very high level, is due to them getting their debut too young?
If not, I'm struggling to see how any of them link to whether or not Cleary should make the bench.
Where Cleary ends up is neither here nor there really. If he comes off the bench and scores a winner, it will be something that neither Robinson, Diangana or Huggy seem capable of doing, at present, so would be a decision vindicated.
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As a rule, I don't watch PL2 Football, but I know there are members of this forum who do.
Given some of the situations & conditions which you describe there, how good a benchmark would scoring goals in PL2 be, in determining if a player is ready for first team football?
If you are a CF you need to average above a goal a game, nearer 1.5 to indicate you're somewhere near a call up to a first team squad. That's the way I see it. It's not a set rule but if you're not scoring at that sort of rate in PL2 you're not likely to to make much of an impact in the Championship.
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Are you saying that where they are now, despite them all being well payed professional footballers, at a very high level, is due to them getting their debut too young?
If not, I'm struggling to see how any of them link to whether or not Cleary should make the bench.
Where Cleary ends up is neither here nor there really. If he comes off the bench and scores a winner, it will be something that neither Robinson, Diangana or Huggy seem capable of doing, at present, so would be a decision vindicated.
Nothing is vindicated on one game.
A footballers career is judged by his overall performance and level of it on a consistent basis. These are pros they are all capable of a good day when everything comes off and they look better than what they consistently are.
I don't say any made their debut too young. Kids have to be given a chance. Some then make it, some don't. I've seen enough of TGH to think he will make it. Yes his game is a bit loose at times but that will naturally improve with experience but he's good technically, he thinks very quickly which is absolutely enormous for a footballer at this sort of level, has good temperament and an excellent footballing brain.
Fellows was very good at Derby but I'm not judging him or anyone else on a 15 minute cameo. Exception Harvey Barnes who I knew was PL class literally after about 5 mins of his debut for us v Coventry in a pre season friendly.
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Nothing is vindicated on one game.
A footballers career is judged by his overall performance and level of it on a consistent basis. These are pros they are all capable of a good day when everything comes off and they look better than what they consistently are.
I don't say any made their debut too young. Kids have to be given a chance. Some then make it, some don't. I've seen enough of TGH to think he will make it. Yes his game is a bit loose at times but that will naturally improve with experience but he's good technically, he thinks very quickly which is absolutely enormous for a footballer at this sort of level, has good temperament and an excellent footballing brain.
Fellows was very good at Derby but I'm not judging him or anyone else on a 15 minute cameo. Exception Harvey Barnes who I knew was PL class literally after about 5 mins of his debut for us v Coventry in a pre season friendly.
The decision to bring him on would be. Absolutely. 100%.
Nobody is talking about judging or predicting his career, it is simply about, given the failings of his peers and the lack of goals, at this moment in time, should he be given a chance, based on his performances and goals ratio for the U23's?
You say no, which is fine.
I say yes.
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The decision to bring him on would be. Absolutely. 100%.
Nobody is talking about judging or predicting his career, it is simply about, given the failings of his peers and the lack of goals, at this moment in time, should he be given a chance, based on his performances and goals ratio for the U23's?
You say no, which is fine.
I say yes.
I don't say no I've seen clips of Cleary but I've not seen him play live or for 90 mins. No way am I judging him.
You say it would be 100% right to bring him on. That isn't true. It may work, he may succeed on the other hand he may fall flat on his face so it cannot possibly be 100%. 50 or 60 I can accept.
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If you are a CF you need to average above a goal a game, nearer 1.5 to indicate you're somewhere near a call up to a first team squad. That's the way I see it. It's not a set rule but if you're not scoring at that sort of rate in PL2 you're not likely to to make much of an impact in the Championship.
Have you got your numbers mixed up here? No player has ever averaged 1.5 goals a game at Prem 2 level over a sustained period. Liam delap hit 24 goals in 20 games last season, which I believe is best record ever and that is 'just' 1.2.
Any young Striker scoring more than 0.5 a game is likely to be looked at with the first team in mind.
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I don't say no I've seen clips of Cleary but I've not seen him play live or for 90 mins. No way am I judging him.
You say it would be 100% right to bring him on. That isn't true. It may work, he may succeed on the other hand he may fall flat on his face so it cannot possibly be 100%. 50 or 60 I can accept.
I didn't though, I said the decision to bring him on would be vindicated, which it would, in terms of the game in question, because he scored the winner and secured a valuable 3 points.
You say you've seen enough of TGH to ascertain he will make it, but you have only seen that because he was given the chance at this level. Many thought him too raw, too lightweight.
You say you can't judge Fellows on a 15 minute cameo but I'm sure you are intrigued to see if he can kick on? He certainly peaked my interest.
This would suggests that both these decisions were correct despite not being without risk..
All I'm saying is that, due to the performances of Robinson, Diangana and Hugill, Cleary deserves the same chance, based on his current momentum, confidence and let's face it, ability to find the net. Not claiming he's Corberan, or the new Cyrille, just that we are not in a position to overlook him just because he's young and raw.
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I don't say no I've seen clips of Cleary but I've not seen him play live or for 90 mins. No way am I judging him.
You say it would be 100% right to bring him on. That isn't true. It may work, he may succeed on the other hand he may fall flat on his face so it cannot possibly be 100%. 50 or 60 I can accept.
Tend to agree, it would put an enormous amount of pressure on a 17 year old's shoulders.
Gareth Southgate got pelters for allowing Saka & Sancho to take penalties in the Euros final, think VI would get the same if he failed.
Think RC needs to be blended into the squad during the rest of the season, but we're in a bit of a crisis at the moment, & now's not the time.
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Cleary this Cleary that all about one paper report and a player very very few have seen play in the flesh.
At the start of the season he was probably 3rd or 4th in the queue of the younger striking brigade to make the 1st team squad. Faal ( he came on against Arsenal ) Morton and Malcolm were deemed ready to go out on loan , and Windsor were all quite probably seen as being ahead of him .
I have no idea whether Cleary will become a top flight footballer . I do know what I’ve heard from a couple of people who sit around me and have been to a couple of PL2 games . My own view purely from watching on WBA tv is he seems to be at his most dangerous when in Grant like positions , he is also I would guess ahead of most of his age group physically
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Have you got your numbers mixed up here? No player has ever averaged 1.5 goals a game at Prem 2 level over a sustained period. Liam delap hit 24 goals in 20 games last season, which I believe is best record ever and that is 'just' 1.2.
Any young Striker scoring more than 0.5 a game is likely to be looked at with the first team in mind.
I didn't say over a sustained period. You're not likely to get that in PL2 players come in and out and games are treated as for development rather than for results. I like to see periods of form where CF's hit such levels. Cleary has done very well to be fair.
He has been training with the first team. That will give Val a guide as to how he competes alongside seasoned pro's. I'd tend to trust his judgement when Cleary
is competing against the likes of Clarke, Bartley and Kipre.
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I would love to see the old Central League return. It was proper competitive reserve team football.
This U23 stuff is devoid of real commitment or tactics. You never see a team like up to cancel out another.
I don't like modern football, don't agree with the structure of it at all. I only watch Albion games don't want to know about anything else.
I have been banging this drum for ages, it makes SOO much sense to reincarnate this, might be a way for local clubs to gain an edge nowadays too.
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Sorry to be pedantic but, technically, no. ;) Your brother would still have an additional skill so not like for like.
Huggy has no additional skills to Cleary, he just has more experience, which, using a driving analogy simply doesn't automatically make him better. ;D
Pedantic /pɪˈdantɪk/ adjective
excessively concerned with minor details or rules; over scrupulous and, as a result, can misses the point :D
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Thanks for your support, just trying to illustrate that professional elite level sport is nothing like it's amateur equivalent.
When I was a school, I remember at least 5 lads who were really good footballers, they had the physique & balance needed to become pros.
Every one had trials for professional clubs & not one progressed, they all ended up playing either amateur or semi-pro level.
It's really difficult to become a professional sportsman at any level, you have to be really special to make it at elite level.
I agree with many of your posts John, it must be an age thing ;)
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have you got a brother? Makes it all moot if not !
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have you got a brother? Makes it all moot if not !
Yes, I did have, he passed away in 1999, and was the biggest Baggies fan ever, home and away!
COYB!!!!
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Yes, I did have, he passed away in 1999, and was the biggest Baggies fan ever, home and away!
COYB!!!!
Sorry if that was insensitive,
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I agree with many of your posts John, it must be an age thing ;)
Well yes, I'd imagine it is, every generation has it's values, I still have reasonable recall, & can remember when my spirit of adventure wasn't shackled by experience.
It's unlikely I'd ever say don't to anyone, but I'd feel obliged to point out the risks.
:)
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Sorry if that was insensitive,
Please, don't be sorry, it's not a problem for me, it was a reasonable question to ask and my brother would have loved the debate and banter on here
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Can we bring this back to Callum Robinson, please?
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I quite like the Callum Robinson song but then I'm a big fan of the Lemonheads who did a very acceptable cover of Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel's original 'Mrs. Robinson'. I really liked the original version too.
I also preferred the incarnation of Callum Robinson we had earlier in the season who was quite obviously borrowing his kit. Or Callum himself may have been borrowing the current cover version's kit in previous times.
I don't know but either way his song's still great if not entirely accurate (in my opinion) as I don't actually love him, and acknowledge he's actually pretty bloody infuriating at times.
I don't want his children by the way but I would imagine he'd want mine as I'm a thoroughly charming if slightly irritating Alpha Male. Happy to get the ball rolling about Callum Robinson again ;D .
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I just wish he was a bit braver and had more 'bottle' so tired of seeing him pull out of challenges or making sure he arrives at a potential challenge too late.
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Nothing is vindicated on one game.
A footballers career is judged by his overall performance and level of it on a consistent basis. These are pros they are all capable of a good day when everything comes off and they look better than what they consistently are.
I don't say any made their debut too young. Kids have to be given a chance. Some then make it, some don't. I've seen enough of TGH to think he will make it. Yes his game is a bit loose at times but that will naturally improve with experience but he's good technically, he thinks very quickly which is absolutely enormous for a footballer at this sort of level, has good temperament and an excellent footballing brain.
Fellows was very good at Derby but I'm not judging him or anyone else on a 15 minute cameo. Exception Harvey Barnes who I knew was PL class literally after about 5 mins of his debut for us v Coventry in a pre season friendly.
Nowt to do with football. Thanks for using the word 'loose' properly.
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Anyone like to say which of our first team forwards merits a starting place given their performances this season ? In my opinion none of them .
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I think the top scorer with a number of assists may disagree.
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Any one seen a clip anywhere of lionheart's most recent ducking out of a challenge?
Perhaps there is a compilation somewhere as I seem to remember quite a few of them
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Yesterday showed you why he’d never feature for Wilder.
He’s a decent player in a certain system but he’s never going to do the dirty stuffI’m afraid.
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I don't think we got a card yesterday, perhaps they've been told to back off for a few games until we get our suspended players back.
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I would guess he has no interesting in starting a football match for WBA.
- Doesn't like any sore of pressure / adversity / heart size of a pea.
- Doesn't want to be blamed for the ongoing crisis.
- Seems to be interested on the rare occasion we score first.
If you are the Manager do you force him to start or let him have his own way?
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Got the Villa academy chip on his shoulder.
Offers little apart from nice 10 yard passes, has a weak shot. Be a luxury player for a League 1 side.
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Can anyone put more meat on the bones from what I’ve heard tonight that he was smirking/smiling when Taylor scored his pen on Sunday? Not seen a pic or video
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Can anyone put more meat on the bones from what I’ve heard tonight that he was smirking/smiling when Taylor scored his pen on Sunday? Not seen a pic or video
I believe that was Grant, not Robinson.
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To be fair that could easily just be sarcastic type stuff seeing as the handball didn't go our way first half but theirs did. I wouldn't read anything into it.
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I’d be getting rid of him in summer along with Grant two player’s who can’t even run up a sweat.
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I don’t think he brings much to the party to be honest. Had the perfect chance to square the ball to Carroll last night who was in acres of space but chose to be the hero and failed.
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yes agree, time to get rid of him for either an actual centre forward or attacking midfielder. He swans around as though he's Messi at times and admires his own passes instead of working to get into good positions.
He's not a bad squad player but I presume his wages are at a point where he should be playing regularly or his salary should be better used elsewhere.
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It really has been a difficult season in terms of trying to "like" any/most of the people in this squad and unfortunatly Robinson is one of the main problem players for this.
Comes accross as a bit of a snake to me tbh, more than happy to come accross to us and look like he gives a flying damn when all is going well, but disappears like a ghost the moment any kind of pressure is applied to this team; switches in an instant to a player who literally looks like he'd rather be anywhere else than on the pitch, backing out of challenges, stops running if he has to go more than a few yards etc.
The low level booing he now gets when he gets subbed on; whilst maybe somewhat harsh (don't mind at the end of a game, but not during, for me); tells you that people have already sussed this guy out and for me the relationship between player and fans is already unretrievable.
I'd love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong and get his head down now, but I somehow doubt it will ever happen.
One of the "core" group I'd like to see moved along if possible, but no doubt he is on a contract that just can't; or more precisely won't; be matched by most/any other teams, so will be difficult to shift him in the summer.
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Part of our £40m+ left winger club, none of which are fully fit for purpose.
Robinson is quite easy to like as he plays with a smile on his face and shows flashes of skill and technique. Unfortunately, flashes do not make a player and certainly do not justify his fee and wages.
He's not quick enough to play wide, not brave enough to play upfront, so he's going to be a squad player at best and on that basis I think we need to try and move him on. His contract is partly depreciated so probably we won't take a hit if we get £3-£5m. As he is a good age, I think we might get it from a bottom half Championship club, fingers crossed.
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It really has been a difficult season in terms of trying to "like" any/most of the people in this squad and unfortunatly Robinson is one of the main problem players for this.
Comes accross as a bit of a snake to me tbh, more than happy to come accross to us and look like he gives a flying damn when all is going well, but disappears like a ghost the moment any kind of pressure is applied to this team; switches in an instant to a player who literally looks like he'd rather be anywhere else than on the pitch, backing out of challenges, stops running if he has to go more than a few yards etc.
The low level booing he now gets when he gets subbed on; whilst maybe somewhat harsh (don't mind at the end of a game, but not during, for me); tells you that people have already sussed this guy out and for me the relationship between player and fans is already unretrievable.
I'd love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong and get his head down now, but I somehow doubt it will ever happen.
One of the "core" group I'd like to see moved along if possible, but no doubt he is on a contract that just can't; or more precisely won't; be matched by most/any other teams, so will be difficult to shift him in the summer.
Has more assists this season than Mowatt, Phillips, Diangana, Reach and Molumby put together. All of these need to be moved on before Robinson.
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Flatters to deceive and, as others have said, doesn’t like to make any kind of challenge. He can move on for me. Just got to find someone who wants him ….
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Flatters to deceive and, as others have said, doesn’t like to make any kind of challenge. He can move on for me. Just got to find someone who wants him ….
Robinson is one of the few decent players we have left, 7 goals and 8 assists despite only getting infrequent 60 minute spells in the team. We would have be absolutely mental to sell him. We have 4/5 good players at this level and 20 average ones. Need to keep hold of the very limited talent we have.
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Have to move on a couple of those left sided forwards as we have too many employed by club, if we got clubs interested in him Reach and Grant I wouldn’t miss them truth be told.
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Robinson is one of the few decent players we have left, 7 goals and 8 assists despite only getting infrequent 60 minute spells in the team. We would have be absolutely mental to sell him. We have 4/5 good players at this level and 20 average ones. Need to keep hold of the very limited talent we have.
We will agree to disagree. He is not a good player.
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Robinson is one of the few decent players we have left, 7 goals and 8 assists despite only getting infrequent 60 minute spells in the team. We would have be absolutely mental to sell him. We have 4/5 good players at this level and 20 average ones. Need to keep hold of the very limited talent we have.
Quite liked him when he first came, but he is a joker and a choker. Seeing the photograph of him laughing whilst standing behind Lyle Taylor as he scored the winning pen for Blues was the final straw for me . That after he and Grant had been pratting about trying to put Taylor off. Wilder was not a bad judge after all.
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We will agree to disagree. He is not a good player.
He may not meet your definition of a "good player", but he has more assists than any member of our squad and has scored the second most goals, so he is clearly one of our better performers. We can't get rid of everyone, it just isn't realistic, so I can't see any reason why we would want to get rid of Callum Robinson at the present time. It would make no sense at all.
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He may not meet your definition of a "good player", but he has more assists than any member of our squad and has scored the second most goals, so he is clearly one of our better performers. We can't get rid of everyone, it just isn't realistic, so I can't see any reason why we would want to get rid of Callum Robinson at the present time. It would make no sense at all.
From a purely financial point of view Callum Robinson has no asset value, so if we did get a transfer fee, it would show as a profit.
Grant & Diangana have a combined asset value of around £24 million at the moment. They are probably our two most valuable assets.
I think we would do well to break even on the sale of those two players.
Bear in mind also, that the Grant deal involves paying Huddersfield in installments for another 4 years.
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Suspect that CR may be a disruptive person hence Wilder getting shut of him. If he Diangana and O’Shea went in a fire sale to find Bruce’s rebuild, I would not be at all surprised.
Last chance saloon stuff
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Literally nothing to back that up with.
When I see CR he looks like he loves playing and the other players seem to like him. I just don't get why you'd start a rumour that he's disruptive based on the fact another manager sold him.
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I honestly don't think any of the attacking players positions are safe this summer. Robinson is one of the few players we could probably make a couple of million we need money in the bank and some serious wheeling and dealing.
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I'd rather move him on personally. He's 27 so not going to improve too much and presumably a high earner. Our whole midfield and forward line needs a complete overhaul IMHO and he's too sproadic a player for me. We need much hungrier players than him (I don't mean Jan Molby or Simon Garner hungry....... but maybe that's what our board would look for if Bruce said get me some hungry players)
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Wouldn't be heartbroken to see Robbo leave and he is soft as muck but he does offer something in terms of goals and assist as others said.
There's a fair few I'd like to see leave before him but they all got new deals.
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This guy summed up CR on the radio phone in the other day when he said if he put in as much effort during the game that he did after the game when looking for someone to give his shirt to, he'd be a great player.
He should be at his peak now having scored 17 for Preston a few seasons ago, but he has gone backwards.
Problem is no one in the prem will want him and no one in championship can afford him.
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Problem is no one in the prem will want him and no one in championship can afford him.
That pretty much sums up many of our squad..............
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Here we go again why would any footballer want to come to this club with fans on their backs … it happened to Dawson … read so many comments not good enough look at him now and numerous other players. Isn’t Robinson an international goal scorer, is proven in the championship. The big problem is in player recruitment, management and coaching.
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Here we go again why would any footballer want to come to this club with fans on their backs … it happened to Dawson … read so many comments not good enough look at him now and numerous other players. Isn’t Robinson an international goal scorer, is proven in the championship. The big problem is in player recruitment, management and coaching.
Totally agreed. We do have problems in that - having been through so many managers so quickly - some of the pieces don't fit. Robinson and Grant are virtually clones. I'm not surprised that the players heads go down there's absolutely no slack from some fans who must think they're supporting PSG. I wouldn't be surprised if a young manager with some inspiration and a little imagination couldn't get a tune out of this squad plus just a couple of loans.
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I’m sorry, but I must disagree with the concept being suggested that we Albion fans are some how different to the fans of the other 91 clubs when it comes to venting feelings to good, mediocre and indifferent players, it’s an injustice to our fans to suggest we treat our players any differently to fans of other clubs imo.
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I’m sorry, but I must disagree with the concept being suggested that we Albion fans are some how different to the fans of the other 91 clubs when it comes to venting feelings to good, mediocre and indifferent players, it’s an injustice to our fans to suggest we treat our players any differently to fans of other clubs of imo.
I'm not sure that anybody is suggesting that WBA fans are reacting differently to any other fans in the EFL pyramid.
On the other hand, if I were Sam Johnstone (for example), & had received the grief he has, I'm not sure I would feel a connection to either the fans or the football club.
There is, without doubt, a sense of entitlement from the WBA fan base at the moment.
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Literally nothing to back that up with.
When I see CR he looks like he loves playing and the other players seem to like him. I just don't get why you'd start a rumour that he's disruptive based on the fact another manager sold him.
I said that “I suspectâ€
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I'm not sure that anybody is suggesting that WBA fans are reacting differently to any other fans in the EFL pyramid.
On the other hand, if I were Sam Johnstone (for example), & had received the grief he has, I'm not sure I would feel a connection to either the fans or the football club.
There is, without doubt, a sense of entitlement from the WBA fan base at the moment.
It may well be a matter of interpretation and perhaps Kirk could add more context to his post for clarity.
But, on the bases of his opening sentence, (“Here we go again why would any footballer want to come to this club with fans on their backs …†) it leaves little doubt, on the face of it in my view, that kirk is implying Albion fans treat our players dissimilar to other clubs fans.
I wouldn’t for one second deny kirk that opinion and I’m not implying he is wrong to hold that view on how Albion fans react sometimes, I only propose our fans are not unique in our disconnection with a player(s) to other clubs fans, in any league.
I’m not sure about your comments regarding our fans having a feeling of entitlement and Sam Johnstone not feeling a connection to the club. Firstly, Sam may feel a disconnect with fans, maybe, but the club have only done the best for him as I see it.
As far as the entitlement comment, our fans are disgruntled with the clubs owner, how it is being run and managed on and off the field and also by a group of players who appear to play when they want to play. To want your club owner, managers and players to be and do the best they can is not entitlement it’s any football fan’s natural aspiration for his club.
What do you base those particular comments on?
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To me the very fact Wilder preferred Burke to Robinson is condemnation enough. I think Robinson has the heart of a pea and as one of the few we could raise a few bob on to help bring in fresh faces would not be opposed to his leaving .
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It may well be a matter of interpretation and perhaps Kirk could add more context to his post for clarity.
But, on the bases of his opening sentence, (“Here we go again why would any footballer want to come to this club with fans on their backs …†) it leaves little doubt, on the face of it in my view, that kirk is implying Albion fans treat our players dissimilar to other clubs fans.
I wouldn’t for one second deny kirk that opinion and I’m not implying he is wrong to hold that view on how Albion fans react sometimes, I only propose our fans are not unique in our disconnection with a player(s) to other clubs fans, in any league.
I’m not sure about your comments regarding our fans having a feeling of entitlement and Sam Johnstone not feeling a connection to the club. Firstly, Sam may feel a disconnect with fans, maybe, but the club have only done the best for him as I see it.
As far as the entitlement comment, our fans are disgruntled with the clubs owner, how it is being run and managed on and off the field and also by a group of players who appear to play when they want to play. To want your club owner, managers and players to be and do the best they can is not entitlement it’s any football fan’s natural aspiration for his club.
What do you base those particular comments on?
The tone of comments from fans on all public forums at the moment is toxic.
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To me the very fact Wilder preferred Burke to Robinson is condemnation enough. I think Robinson has the heart of a pea and as one of the few we could raise a few bob on to help bring in fresh faces would not be opposed to his leaving .
But Wilder is not the voice of football, and all managers pick and choose their own favourites ?
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To me the very fact Wilder preferred Burke to Robinson is condemnation enough. I think Robinson has the heart of a pea and as one of the few we could raise a few bob on to help bring in fresh faces would not be opposed to his leaving .
Whatever you think of Robinson, I still think we got the better end of that deal!
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The tone of comments from fans on all public forums at the moment is toxic.
Hardly a ringing a endorsement of your comments now is it? And more anecdotal and imponderables
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The tone of comments from fans on all public forums at the moment is toxic.
I genuinely think the current level of criticism is justified. We've gone through loads of a managers and nothing changes. The common denominator is the players in our squad.
I've been following for half a century and have never left a game early, never booed my team (even at Bath). But I can't remember a time when if we lost our best player (do we have one) I'd be less fussed. We need a restart, with hungry players on lower wages with some potential. Its going to take a long time to rebuild this team and for that I will be patient, but this bunch need shifting on mass.
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Hardly a ringing a endorsement of your comments now is it? And more anecdotal and imponderables
It's not anecdotal when you're there.
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I genuinely think the current level of criticism is justified. We've gone through loads of a mangers and nothing changes. The common denominator is the players in our squad.
I've been following for half a century and have never left a game early, never booed my team (even at Bath). But I can't remember a time when if we lost our best player (do we have one) I'd be less fussed. We need a restart, with hungry players on low wages with some potential. Its going to take a long time to rebuild this team and for that I will be patient, but this bunch need shifting on mass.
Criticism is almost always justified, it's the tone that I just don't think is helpful.
I've been going to games since the start of the Megson era, so I suppose I've been mostly on the upward side of the curve, but I can't ever remember the atmosphere at games being so "toxic" as it is now.
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I genuinely think the current level of criticism is justified. We've gone through loads of a mangers and nothing changes. The common denominator is the players in our squad.
I've been following for half a century and have never left a game early, never booed my team (even at Bath). But I can't remember a time when if we lost our best player (do we have one) I'd be less fussed. We need a restart, with hungry players on low wages with some potential. Its going to take a long time to rebuild this team and for that I will be patient, but this bunch need shifting on mass.
You are right there, it's going to take 2 or 3 seasons before we can remove a lot of them but sadly I don't think too many of our fans will have patience. Doesn't matter who the manager is or that they are trying to rebuild as soon as results drop off the knives will be out.
Anyway back to Robinson. There is a player in there but I'd expect more consistency from him. At times this season he has linked well with Grant and they seem to be on a similar wavelength, assisting each other etc. Other times he has looked awful and has missed some really good chances. He does have 7 goals and 8 assists so provides something for the team.
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But Wilder is not the voice of football, and all managers pick and choose their own favourites ?
True but many on here wanted or would have been happy with Wilder as manager
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It's when he goes to fake a pass, hangs onto the ball when the pass is actually on but doesn't release the ball until too late that does my head in. The amount of times he could have played teammates in and hasn't is staggering.
That and opting to shoot when teammates are in better positions and have space. His decision making is frankly awful at times. Must get very confused choosing which boot to put on first. More of the first time finishing v Chelsea please.
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It's when he goes to fake a pass, hangs onto the ball when the pass is actually on but doesn't release the ball until too late that does my head in. The amount of times he could have played teammates in and hasn't is staggering. That and opting to shoot when teammates are in better positions and have space. His decision making is frankly awful at times. Must get very confused choosing which boot to put on first. More of the first time finishing v Chelsea please.
One of the few players who can trap the ball, show some composure and pick a pass. Which his why he has got more assists than anyone else in our team.
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One of the few players who can trap the ball, show some composure and pick a pass. Which his why he has got more assists than anyone else in our team.
The point being he could and should have had more assists. There's been times in games where Andy Carroll's looked like he could have throttled him.
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We live in an era that loves technique, touch etc. (all good things). What about heart? You can't always coach character and for me Robinson just goes hiding. It seems no coincidence that under Wilder (who let him go) Allardyce, Ismael and Bruce he has been in and out and not a permanent fixture.
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The tone of comments from fans on all public forums at the moment is toxic.
This bunch of wasters are set to deliver our worst season in over 20 years.
Personally, given their performances and their attitude throughout this season, they deserve every inch of criticism and toxicity that comes their way.
I'm really not sure what else you were expecting?
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This bunch of wasters are set to deliver our worst season in over 20 years.
Personally, given their performances and their attitude throughout this season, they deserve every inch of criticism and toxicity that comes their way.
I'm really not sure what else you were expecting?
There are toxic comments but there are also some excellent, thoughtful criticism's / critique's from knowledgeable, passionate supporters. Twitter isn't the best gauge of what the average supporter thinks.
I would be shocked if the squad turned round and said this season has been a romping success and everyone should be happy with the current state of things....
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It's not anecdotal when you're there.
So, to be clear on the Sam Johnstone’s lack of connection with the club comment, it is based on no more than your own personal feelings and assumptions, correct?
On the “There is, without doubt, a sense of entitlement from the WBA fan base at the momentâ€. You assert its not anecdotal, but in fact it is anecdotal as it’s a personal account based on your experience of social media and being at the ground rather than facts or research.
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So, to be clear on the Sam Johnstone’s lack of connection with the club comment, it is based on no more than your own personal feelings and assumptions, correct?
On the “There is, without doubt, a sense of entitlement from the WBA fan base at the momentâ€. You assert its not anecdotal, but in fact it is anecdotal as it’s a personal account based on your experience of social media and being at the ground rather than facts or research.
It's my opinion, that's what we do on here isn't it?
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It's my opinion, that's what we do on here isn't it?
Thank you for the clarification, which wasn’t altogether obvious from your posts
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Backed out of yet another challenge today, roundly booed by the BRE for it, hooked off by SB to loud cheers
Says it all really
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Player-Fan relationship with Robbo is irrevocabley broken now, hopefully moves on in the summer.
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Backed out of yet another challenge today, roundly booed by the BRE for it, hooked off by SB to loud cheers
Says it all really
I sit in the East Stand, bang opposite that incident Frank.
If Robinson had gone for that ball, he would have kicked the keeper in the head & probably have been sent off, as well as causing the keeper a serious injury.
Not saying he doesn't hold back sometimes, but that was not one of them in my opinion.
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I sit in the East Stand, bang opposite that incident Frank.
If Robinson had gone for that ball, he would have kicked the keeper in the head & probably have been sent off, as well as causing the keeper a serious injury.
Not saying he doesn't hold back sometimes, but that was not one of them in my opinion.
Saw it from the East stand too, bit behind the incident, and I would agree with you. I did not think he had a real chance but might have got a bit closer in case of a mistake from the keeper. However hanging back a bit might have given him a bit more time to take advantage of a slip. Whichever, although he is not ever going to be a ball winner I am far from certain he was bottling a chance this time and could not understand at first what the BRE was booing for. Might have looked different from behind the goal or from the other side though.
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Robinson is not the bravest, so what?
I'd rather focus on his ability, which is the most important thing.
Maybe we can swap him again for Burke, thnm people will be happy?
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Saw it from the East stand too, bit behind the incident, and I would agree with you. I did not think he had a real chance but might have got a bit closer in case of a mistake from the keeper. However hanging back a bit might have given him a bit more time to take advantage of a slip. Whichever, although he is not ever going to be a ball winner I am far from certain he was bottling a chance this time and could not understand at first what the BRE was booing for. Might have looked different from behind the goal or from the other side though.
Sit in the BRE in a direct line with the incident and it certainly looked as though he pulled out , he would have had a chance of beating the keeper although a defender may have been able to block him . It was the look he gave the fans immediately afterwards that upset more , it was one of sheer disdain
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It was a very strange moment - I’m surprised not more people are commenting on it tbh.
I sit right in the Apollo Corner in the Brummie - right in front of it - and it was a 50/50 at best. I don’t think he’d have got there - it may have been close - but he certainly backed out and made no attempt. The fans were frustrated, and fair enough IMO.
But he gave a look of almost petulance back at the stand and that stirred emotions that I felt have been there all year. We’ve seen players put 50% or 60% effort in at times - there’s a real lack of closing down and giving everything with the shirt - nobody can disagree with that.
I didn’t like the booing of every touch after that - it felt horrible. However, we as fans are p***** off. The lack of effort, desire, urgency to give everything for the badge has been lacking all season and that’s all we want to see.
Unfortunately, Robbo bore the brunt of that.
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Not a massive fan and sit in the Smethwick so didn’t really see what happened but anyone who boos their own player like that is a clown
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I suspect the smirk when the bluenoses put their penalty away the other day didn't help either
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Deserves every boo he got it my opinion. Bottled the challenge completely which is entirely fitting for his general demeanour, lack of care and lack of effort throughout the season.
A lot of these players should be embarrassed to be in this situation but it seems like they couldn’t give a stuff, they should be putting in everything in these games but they’re not because they do not care one iota.
The fans do care and therefore to have a player not only underperform all season, but also have the general demeanour of not caring at all about the club to then pull out of a 50/50 with the keeper and then shoot daggers at the fans - he deserved worse for me.
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For me he is the epitomy of the lack of focus that has engulfed the club since the start of covid .
There has been something about him I've never really taken to. Always happy to play the cheerleading look at me I'm Mr Wondeful role despite some dreadful performances in an almost its the others not me type of way .
He has struggled to read the mood on a number of occasions coming clapping the crowd after defeats .
I hope yesterday's incident serves to show him and the others we won't tolerate rubbish.
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It was a very strange moment - I’m surprised not more people are commenting on it tbh.
I sit right in the Apollo Corner in the Brummie - right in front of it - and it was a 50/50 at best. I don’t think he’d have got there - it may have been close - but he certainly backed out and made no attempt. The fans were frustrated, and fair enough IMO.
But he gave a look of almost petulance back at the stand and that stirred emotions that I felt have been there all year. We’ve seen players put 50% or 60% effort in at times - there’s a real lack of closing down and giving everything with the shirt - nobody can disagree with that.
I didn’t like the booing of every touch after that - it felt horrible. However, we as fans are p***** off. The lack of effort, desire, urgency to give everything for the badge has been lacking all season and that’s all we want to see.
Unfortunately, Robbo bore the brunt of that.
We've had players sent off with some really debatable decisions this season.
Earlier on in the game, one of our players toe poked the ball away & a Blackpool player fell over his outstretched leg, the Blackpool player got a free kick as a result of that.
Had Robbo followed through against the keeper, I'm convinced he'd have been sent off.
A shrug of the shouders against the Bummie is nothing, Jonas Olsen told them to **** off :)
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The 50/50 doesn’t bother me, the ability to have entire games where he has no positive impact whatsoever is my concern. When we took him on loan he was superb and full of energy. He dragged us into the Prem when most had gone.
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I think it’s pathetic
Considering how bad some of these players have been this season, Robinson is nowhere near as bad.
In fact there have been manny occasions where he looks like the only one trying to do something.
This is the guythat woke up the day after promotion still wearing his full kit, he always makes the effort to applaud the fans win owe or draw .
I’m not saying he is perfect/excellent, but then when we have fans that throw coins at Chris Brubt maybe I shouldn’t be as surprised?
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On the bright side, Jake was given a week off ;D
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I didn't see the challenge he ducked but I don't mind Robinson
I think Robinson like diangana suffer because most managers seem to pick grant in there preferred position because of the price tag and probably wages.
Grant offers nothing and totally unbalances the team when played on the left of a 3
Most games if he doesn't score is anonymous
If you see Robinson from his Preston days and currently for Ireland he has always operated from the left and whilst not prolific performs much better
We have an imbalance in our attacking area and midfield and full backs being asked to play as creative wing backs which is the biggest problem
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I didn't see the challenge he ducked but I don't mind Robinson
I think Robinson like diangana suffer because most managers seem to pick grant in there preferred position because of the price tag and probably wages.
Grant offers nothing and totally unbalances the team when played on the left of a 3
Most games if he doesn't score is anonymous
If you see Robinson from his Preston days and currently for Ireland he has always operated from the left and whilst not prolific performs much better
We have an imbalance in our attacking area and midfield and full backs being asked to play as creative wing backs which is the biggest problem
Whilst I agree that Grant is a poor quality footballer he does score an acceptable number of goals. That's why he gets picked.
He's not Mitrovic or Solanke but if we had a 20 goal striker (Dike,?) then Grant's return added to those numbers doesn't look so bad. He's an option in forward areas next season for me along with Dike and Carroll.
Personally I'd let both Robinson and Diangana go and try and find a better option to make four strikers fit for purpose for a promotion chasing Championship squad.
That is if we continue to play with a front two on a regular basis. Only the manager will know how he wants to set up moving forward.
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I think it’s pathetic
Considering how bad some of these players have been this season, Robinson is nowhere near as bad.
In fact there have been manny occasions where he looks like the only one trying to do something.
This is the guythat woke up the day after promotion still wearing his full kit, he always makes the effort to applaud the fans win owe or draw .
I’m not saying he is perfect/excellent, but then when we have fans that throw coins at Chris Brubt maybe I shouldn’t be as surprised?
And you can bet it was clean ;D .
Joking aside I think a lot of the negativity surrounding him at the moment revolves around consistency and perceived application. As for yesterday's booing I fail to see what it actually achieves.
I appreciate the frustrations but just don't see the point. Each to their own but from memory I've never booed an Albion player. I genuinely hope I never do either.
I didn't see the supposed duck out or his reaction to the crowd but from what I read this morning it appears that he hasn't helped himself in the eyes of many.
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I think it’s pathetic
Considering how bad some of these players have been this season, Robinson is nowhere near as bad.
In fact there have been manny occasions where he looks like the only one trying to do something.
This is the guythat woke up the day after promotion still wearing his full kit, he always makes the effort to applaud the fans win owe or draw .
I’m not saying he is perfect/excellent, but then when we have fans that throw coins at Chris Brubt maybe I shouldn’t be as surprised?
That’s all well and good but you have to remember he bought it all on himself yesterday . It was he and he alone that ducked the challenge and it was most definitely he and he alone that gave the crowd shall we say the questioning look. If you’re going to do that when criticism comes your way then that negates his clapping the fans and merely makes him a hypocrite.
I’m probably not the best to criticise just over yesterday ( i did think he bottled it but i didn’t boo) as I’m sorry I don’t rate him and have questioned his attitude towards challenges etc for most of the season on here
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We are holding Robinson on a high pedestal due to his goals and assists this season. It is a damning indictment of our recruitment and the way this club has been run that a bloke who many wished we didn’t sign permanently after an average loan spell has become a permanent fixture in our side.
His attitude throughout the course of the season demonstrates why we are where we are. He was the borne of Ismaels frustrations with his failure to press accordingly and clear dissent he showed the coaching staff. Take into account his attitude at Middlesbrough where in a game we were losing, his half arsed attitude where he couldn’t be bothered to show any urgency to get on the pitch and treated the top as it was a bin bag to put out for trash, then throw in his antics at Birmingham, his bottling of challenges and his dissent towards the crowd, then it is no surprise to see him receiving pelters.
He’s a bang average footballer with an inflated opinion of his own abilities.
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But a damn good swap for Ollie Burke!
I don't understand the aggression towards him personally. There have been worse performers this season.
The priority is to get shut of the old men who are adding little value. Bartley, Livermore and Reach are blocking the path of younger promising players, they should be the ones to go first.
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But a damn good swap for Ollie Burke!
I don't understand the aggression towards him personally. There have been worse performers this season.
The priority is to get shut of the old men who are adding little value. Bartley, Livermore and Reach are blocking the path of younger promising players, they should be the ones to go first.
Who is waiting for his chance to replace Livermore? We haven't got anyone else who can play the holding role. Reach is competing with Townsend and did a far better job on Friday than Townsend has done recently. Bartley I agree with, much prefer O'Shea. Just can't see who these younger promising players are who you refer to in the other positions.
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Just can't see who these younger promising players are who you refer to in the other positions.
There are none.
Greg himself - only last month - had referred to the under 23s as being unpickable.
He also called them a disgrace.
::) ::)
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Mowatt, Molumby and Gardner Hickman are better than Livermore, yet he is still picked.
You could even play the fit again Phillips again centrally.
People picking on Robinson is non-sensical.
When did I talk about U23s being picked? The only one at a push is Castro and I'm not convinced.
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You have stated that Livermore and Reach are blocking the pathways of younger promising players.
You’ve been asked who they are and have proceeded to name three players who feature in the first team!
Two of the names you mentioned are ones you’ve criticised in recent months.
12 days ago Mowatt was an old player blocking the route of promising players - now you herald him as the young one being blocked!
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Mowatt, Molumby and Gardner Hickman are better than Livermore, yet he is still picked.
You could even play the fit again Phillips again centrally.
People picking on Robinson is non-sensical.
When did I talk about U23s being picked? The only one at a push is Castro and I'm not convinced.
I was hoping we had some young Yacob waiting in the wings that I didn't know about. Gardner Hickman could possibly play Livermores role, but we are better off with both in the starting line up. As for the others, no thanks. I'm not even a Livermore fan either, just don't see a better alternative in our squad. Should have gone all out for Yokuslu in the summer but that's in the past now.
Back to Robinson, he is limited, hides at times and has no bottle, that's why he gets stick. Occasionally he does do something good but not nearly often enough.
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It's always disappointing when fans get on specific player's back during a game like they did to Robbo. Especially when he's one of the few players we've got who has got a sliver of creativity or something about their play at times.
What's even worse is when the fans act all indignant because the player decided to give a little bit back. If you're willing to give stick out don't cry when you get a little bit back, it's very snowflakey.
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Your criticism of Robinson is just hot air, he is a long way from being the worst. He is a good age bracket.
Livermore is the worst CM we have bar none. Look at the league mins afforded to TGH and Molumby over the season.
3 CB's and then you play an oil tanker in front of them, we need to score to win games!
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Your criticism of Robinson is just hot air, he is a long way from being the worst. He is a good age bracket.
Livermore is the worst CM we have bar none. Look at the league mins afforded to TGH and Molumby over the season.
3 CB's and then you play an oil tanker in front of them, we need to score to win games!
I agree but will also add that we play 3 centre backs, 2 defensive midfielders and 2 full backs. It’s hardly surprising we are having trouble scoring. I understand the full backs are supposed to be wing backs but their natural instinct is to fall back into a back 5.
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Driving Robinson out of the club weakens us even more.
We need a young vibrant team not old men hanging on.
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Your criticism of Robinson is just hot air, he is a long way from being the worst. He is a good age bracket.
Livermore is the worst CM we have bar none. Look at the league mins afforded to TGH and Molumby over the season.
3 CB's and then you play an oil tanker in front of them, we need to score to win games!
I've never once said he is the worst. He has contributed more than the likes of Diangana this season, but that doesn't say much.
Seems odd how every manager he has had bar Allardyce has picked him if he is as bad as you say. As I said I'd have upgraded him in the Summer with Yokuslu.
We do need to score goals, yes. None of our midfield have shined on that front this season and Robinson hasn't contributed anywhere near enough.
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I think Robinson is alright. Though I do often find myself moaning about him ducking out of challenges. He tends to go anonymous at times. He's better than Burke let's just say that. Though if he was moved on...I wouldn't be unhappy. Like a lot of players this season...I just feel mehhh about them.
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Being "better than Burke" isn't a compliment or a barometer of success. Come on guys?! Dropping the bar that is, and that is exactly what this club are guilty of, bit by bit, year on year.
Robinson is just as culpable as many others and is nowhere near the standard we need and the worst bit is he has the capability but only puts the effort in when it's going well. When it's against us, he goes missing and even worse, shirks challenges.
It's not Livermore's job to contribute to to the goals scored column, it's Robinson's and he isn't good enough. He plays cowardly and if he goes this summer i probably won't think much about him ever again.
People talk about blocking pathways, this man is picked and that means Morton, Faal, Malcolm and Cleary haven't had a look in. No idea if they're good enough but it seems to be the done thing to name an unknown youth player as favourable above a known senior player that isn't good enough.
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It’s quite normal for fans to use comparators
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It’s quite normal for fans to use comparators
Fully aware of that. But we're talking about comparing him to a complete failure here.
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Being "better than Burke" isn't a compliment or a barometer of success. Come on guys?! Dropping the bar that is, and that is exactly what this club are guilty of, bit by bit, year on year.
That was kind of my point mate. I agree with you. The remark about being better than Burke just sums up the apathy of it all at the minute. He isn't going to be a massive loss if we get rid.
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To all those fans booing Robinson, the result is we have Reach in the hole, an inferior player.
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Is anyone advocating we ditch Robinson now after this utter shambles?
No because he is one of our better players.
Hat trick at Chelsea. Virtually no on else in the squad can aspire to that type of achievement.
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He got 2 at Chelsea and yes I'd get rid, along with most if this squad if I had the chance.
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Is anyone advocating we ditch Robinson now after this utter shambles?
Absolutley - Biggest snake at the club right now, gutless waste of space.
Needs to be cleared out along with Furlong, Bartley, Mowatt, Reach, Phillips, Livermore and Grant.
Given far too many chances, seen off far too many managers between them whilst getting away with it scott free up to now.
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Absolutley - Biggest snake at the club right now, gutless waste of space.
Needs to be cleared out along with Furlong, Bartley, Mowatt, Reach, Phillips, Livermore and Grant.
Given far too many chances, seen off far too many managers between them whilst getting away with it scott free up to now.
All we need to top off tonight is for Robinson to be strutting around the pitch whilst waving his arms in the air.
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All we need to top off tonight is for Robinson to be strutting around the pitch whilst waving his arms in the air.
Syncronised with Bartley's arm waving, aye.
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The ridiculous booing of Robinson has just taken out one of our better players, so we are actually worse off now.
Not the brightest thing ever done!!!!!
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The ridiculous booing of Robinson has just taken out one of our better players, so we are actually worse off now.
Not the brightest thing ever done!!!!!
Was he booed again? loudly?
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Was he booed again? loudly?
The only boo'ing i heard on the stream was at HT and FT whistles. Maybe people who were there can say better. He was only on for 3 mins though tops and won us a penalty.
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The ridiculous booing of Robinson has just taken out one of our better players, so we are actually worse off now.
Not the brightest thing ever done!!!!!
We’re you there Greg? Genuine question as I was and heard no booing.
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I'm guessing Greg's talking about a few games ago. Since then Bruce seems reluctant to use him.
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yes there was some booing when he came on. not alot but some .
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And there you have it.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/eamon-dunphy-ireland-callum-robinson-263521
Get rid
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Can't say I'm surprised
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And there you have it.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/eamon-dunphy-ireland-callum-robinson-263521
Get rid
Yes, there you have it, one person's opinion that's all.
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Yes, there you have it, one person's opinion that's all.
Dumphy can be a bit OTT at the best of times but I think he captures the issue with Robinson, he has a purple patch for a couple of games , thinks he's a world beaters then does nothing for long periods and doesn't work to earn chances / goals.
He'd be a good squad player in our better championship teams of the past but we are where we are.
My main concern with him is how he seems to believe he's a far better player than he is which Dumphy underlines.
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Dumphy can be a bit OTT at the best of times but I think he captures the issue with Robinson, he has a purple patch for a couple of games , thinks he's a world beaters then does nothing for long periods and doesn't work to earn chances / goals.
He'd be a good squad player in our better championship teams of the past but we are where we are.
My main concern with him is how he seems to believe he's a far better player than he is which Dumphy underlines.
It was a bit harsh, as are some of the comments here. He's not a world beater, but he WAS our best player for assists last season and our second top scorer.
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It was a bit harsh, as are some of the comments here. He's not a world beater, but he WAS our best player for assists last season and our second top scorer.
Part the problem, his stats were poor. That's an overall team problem, not just a Callum Robinson problem, but we need better than him if we are going to compete.
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I would have no complaints if he left our club. Flatters to deceive and has questionable work rate.
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Part the problem, his stats were poor. That's an overall team problem, not just a Callum Robinson problem, but we need better than him if we are going to compete.
What stats are you talking about? On pretty much any measure, his stats were better than just about everyone else in our squad.
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What stats are you talking about? On pretty much any measure, his stats were better than just about everyone else in our squad.
Poor for an attacker in a team that was supposed to be challenging. If you think 7 goals in 43 games is acceptable, as a stat merchant, then we might as well just forget next season.
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Poor for an attacker in a team that was supposed to be challenging.
Reasonable for an attacker in a team that wasn't challenging. Also, better than all the other attackers, with the possible exception of Grant.
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Reasonable for an attacker in a team that wasn't challenging. Also, better than all the other attackers, with the possible exception of Grant.
But we were challenging until after Christmas.
52nd top scorer in the division for your 2nd highest scorer is hardly reasonable.
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But we were challenging until after Christmas.
52nd top scorer in the division for your 2nd highest scorer is hardly reasonable.
More due the stellar defense, the whole strike force were well below par but Robinson at least managed a numbingly average 1-in-4 goal to game average. also got roughly half of Grant's assists.
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More due the stellar defense, the whole strike force were well below par but Robinson at least managed a numbingly average 1-in-4 goal to game average. also got roughly half of Grant's assists.
Right, so he wasn't good enough as I have said. But, like Grant, his stats slightly cloud his deficiencies, at least in some people's eyes. Get rid.
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Always seems busy doing nothing to me.
Dodges tackles and seems very lightweight.
One I would lert go if we have a buyer
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On his game, he is excellent. A good managers job is to get him "on his game" regularly.
He clearly isnt self motivated, so the the question becomes, is Bruce the guy to get the most out of him? The early signs are not good!
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Like a few player’s at club thinks he’s better than he actually is so does the minimum required.
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Like a few player’s at club thinks he’s better than he actually is so does the minimum required.
That to me was the core problem last season. Seemed to be the "we played in the Premier League - we can just turn up to win games" from the vast majority of players. How many times did we really see players giving 100%?
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Good news if true that club are trying to get rid but bumper contract he’s on will make it impossible to shift him. These contracts are a weight around clubs neck which will probably effect transfer windows.
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The best hope would have been a loan to Celtic, but with Postecoglou in charge there and favouring Far Eastern recruits, I don't fancy Robinson's chances there. Wouldn't want to loan him to a championship rival.
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Good news if true that club are trying to get rid but bumper contract he’s on will make it impossible to shift him. These contracts are a weight around clubs neck which will probably effect transfer windows.
I would suggest that if you are right, and the bumper contract he is on will make it impossible to shift him, then it really makes no sense for the club to make it public that they will listen to offers for him. The only outcome in that situation will be that Robinson will be aware that he isn't wanted and will become even less motivated, leaving an unhappy player eating up a wage. That makes it the opposite of "good news if true".
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The best hope would have been a loan to Celtic, but with Postecoglou in charge there and favouring Far Eastern recruits, I don't fancy Robinson's chances there. Wouldn't want to loan him to a championship rival.
He'd do alright for Rangers or Celtic to be fair. I'd put him in the same bracket as Kemar Roofe and he's done ok in the SPL. Being an ROI international I can understand why you've not mentioned rangers though.
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It seems to me that CR is one of the players who questionable attitudes in the side and those are the players we need to ship out. If we can get a couple of million quid for him then that would represent ok business. Alot of Preston fans seem to be wanting him back there and want their club to act so we wil see in time. As others have discussed i agree i think he would be good in the SPL. His pace would scare most up there and because its a poor farmers league he can get away with bottling tackles up there id say.
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I must admit I liked Robinson when he signed, but he's gone backwards over time. Unfortunately, almost none of the squad are worth fighting to keep and if CR is saleable (even in part exchange) I think Bruce is right to try.
We need a complete reset (not a bit of tinkering) so any exits are welcome! We need to create a new winning environment/mentality and for that, high turnover of players is essential.
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If the market for Robinson is the Championship and I'd guess that it is unless we get some left field interest from Turkey or the Middle East then wages are a huge issue. Very few clubs would want to pay his current wages and current wages plus a fee is a non runner for anyone who doesn't have parachute payments
We will be lucky to get 50% of his wages off the books next season.
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I must admit I liked Robinson when he signed, but he's gone backwards over time. Unfortunately, almost none of the squad are worth fighting to keep and if CR is saleable (even in part exchange) I think Bruce is right to try.
We need a complete reset (not a bit of tinkering) so any exits are welcome! We need to create a new winning environment/mentality and for that, high turnover of players is essential.
Good post, with you all the way on that.
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I doubt that SB is the guy to create a new, winning environment unfortunately.
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Like the vast majority of our squad , I won’t lose any sleep if he goes . So much for the big clear out so far though !
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I'm still not sure, he has got the spark at times, but he doesn't impose himself physically and that side of his game is not likely to improve as he reaches 30+ so a decent offer might be worth taking. I wonder if he himself is content to stooge around in the championship and play for Ireland.
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I must admit I liked Robinson when he signed, but he's gone backwards over time. Unfortunately, almost none of the squad are worth fighting to keep and if CR is saleable (even in part exchange) I think Bruce is right to try.
We need a complete reset (not a bit of tinkering) so any exits are welcome! We need to create a new winning environment/mentality and for that, high turnover of players is essential.
I feel the same way. Thought he was great when he came in, now.... pffft.
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🌗 Callum Robinson is attracting interest from a host Championship clubs. Robinson could be allowed to leave on loan with old club Preston among those watching [@DarrenOWitcoop] #wba
Can't see the point in letting him go on loan unless they pay full wage and a fee personally
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Preston have an good manager in Lowe. Giving a rival a player on loan is a non starter imo.
Buy him or do one.
I'd take £3m for him.
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I think i am in the minority of people who would keep Robinson but as BalisPen said, loaning him to a potential rival makes no sense whatsoever.
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I think i am in the minority of people who would keep Robinson but as BalisPen said, loaning him to a potential rival makes no sense whatsoever.
no club in Championship can afford his wages to make deal permanent, so loan is really only option with Albion probably paying most of his wages and we will still be stuck with him the following season.
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i'd keep robinson and sell diangana
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i'd keep robinson and sell diangana
I'd sell both and use any money towards another striker as I don't think Zohore will step up to challenge Dike and we are looking light in that department.
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I'd sell both and use any money towards another striker as I don't think Zohore will step up to challenge Dike and we are looking light in that department.
I am inclined to agree with this, Diangana is a busted flush and the longer we keep him the less value he has, which is relatively minimal anyway compared to the investment
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Let Robinson go for me. I liked him prior to seeing him regularly but am now convinced that he is not good enough. as others have stated though, only a permanent deal.
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Happy to let him go if he finds something new, be good to see a different player and how well they can get on. On the flip side I wouldn’t be upset if he stayed as he does have his moments.
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Very inconsistent player however he was one of a few that made things happen. Half of grants goals were made by Robinson.
Unless we sell him though i dont see the point. But we lacking options at this point for who we can get rid of
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Very inconsistent player however he was one of a few that made things happen. Half of grants goals were made by Robinson.
Unless we sell him though i dont see the point. But we lacking options at this point for who we can get rid of
His link up play is decent and he is capable of finding the net. We should only let him go if it means we bring in someone better.
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It’s being reported that the Preston manager has confirmed he is interested in Robinson with quotes attributing to the Preston manger discussing Robinson directly.
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News that Callum Robinson’s injury last night, which forced his replacement, is just a dead leg
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as a player i don't like him.
however with the 5 subs this season and us lacking a striker and still having Zohore on the books i think it's a mistake to let him go.
coming off the bench he could be useful.
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He should only leave if we get a decent transfer fee for him. Preston sold him to West Ham for £8m and he scored 17 for them that season. So £4m is more than reasonable give he should be in his prime now.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he scored around 15 again.
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He should only leave if we get a decent transfer fee for him. Preston sold him to West Ham for £8m and he scored 17 for them that season. So £4m is more than reasonable give he should be in his prime now.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he scored around 15 again.
Think that was Hugill at the time mate?
Sheff U bought CR7 when they first went up.
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Think that was Hugill at the time mate?
Sheff U bought CR7 when they first went up.
Yeah, I got the club wrong but if recall correctly Hughill went for even more. £10m I think.
I think I was right about him getting 17 goals though and I think unless we got cold hard cash (which we can then loan to our esteemed owner of course) we should keep him as in theory he should get more chances with Wallace and swift supplying him.
It isn't that CR is terrible, it is that he just isn't a natural goalscorer.
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Yeah, I got the club wrong but if recall correctly Hughill went for even more. £10m I think.
I think I was right about him getting 17 goals though and I think unless we got cold hard cash (which we can then loan to our esteemed owner of course) we should keep him as in theory he should get more chances with Wallace and swift supplying him.
It isn't that CR is terrible, it is that he just isn't a natural goalscorer.
Don't think Callum has ever got 17 goals in a season for any club. let alone in the PL. Are you sure you're not thinking that he made 17 appearances?
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Yeah, I got the club wrong but if recall correctly Hughill went for even more. £10m I think.
I think I was right about him getting 17 goals though and I think unless we got cold hard cash (which we can then loan to our esteemed owner of course) we should keep him as in theory he should get more chances with Wallace and swift supplying him.
It isn't that CR is terrible, it is that he just isn't a natural goalscorer.
The most he's ever scored in a season is 12 which was in his last season at Preston. He only scored 1 goal for Sheff Utd. Not a great record although I suspect he's probably played out wide in the main.
My biggest gripe is seeing him shy away from any physical contest.
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The most he's ever scored in a season is 12 which was in his last season at Preston. He only scored 1 goal for Sheff Utd. Not a great record although I suspect he's probably played out wide in the main.
My biggest gripe is seeing him shy away from any physical contest.
I probably got the stats mixed up from when Hughill joined and I checked his Preston record.
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I probably got the stats mixed up from when Hughill joined and I checked his Preston record.
Well, Hugill has never scored 17 goals in a season either, but never mind.
Anyway, back to Robinson. All this public speculation can't be beneficial, whichever way you look at it. No concrete offers. Preston seemingly like him but don't seem to have the necessary dosh. And meanwhile, Robinson is getting a strong message from the club that he isn't really valued. It's a bit of a mess and needs to get sorted quickly one way or the other.
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I’d rather keep him and offload Grady
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Well, Hugill has never scored 17 goals in a season either, but never mind.
Anyway, back to Robinson. All this public speculation can't be beneficial, whichever way you look at it. No concrete offers. Preston seemingly like him but don't seem to have the necessary dosh. And meanwhile, Robinson is getting a strong message from the club that he isn't really valued. It's a bit of a mess and needs to get sorted quickly one way or the other.
Thanks for checking for me my memory isn't the same since I turned 50.
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I’d rather keep him and offload Grady
I’d rather keep him and offload Zohore, Livermore,furlong ,Bartley..but it’s who people are willing to take and what they are willing to pay.
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I’d rather keep him and offload Zohore, Livermore,furlong ,Bartley..but it’s who people are willing to take and what they are willing to pay.
And philips
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Didn't play yesterday so I presume we are still planning on selling him to Preston and bringing another striker in.
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Didn't play yesterday so I presume we are still planning on selling him to Preston and bringing another striker in.
Im guessing Preston are waiting on the possibility of getting Archer back for another season before committing to Robinson.
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Preston are on the verge of loaning Parrott from Spurs so that might kill the Robinson deal.
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Preston are on the verge of loaning Parrott from Spurs so that might kill the Robinson deal.
it might but I think Troy Parrott is more of a centre forward rather than a wide forward? Hopefully they'll still be in for Robinson.
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Preston are on the verge of loaning Parrott from Spurs so that might kill the Robinson deal.
I bet he' a pretty boy then!
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Preston are on the verge of loaning Parrott from Spurs so that might kill the Robinson deal.
Anything on Twitter about it?
Bound to be a tweet somewhere...
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Maybe PNE want them both to play together like they do for ROI.
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Anything on Twitter about it?
Bound to be a tweet somewhere...
Here you go from Pete O Rourke
Tottenham striker Troy Parrott is set for a medical at Preston North End today ahead of joining the club on loan. #THFC #pnefc
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Maybe PNE want them both to play together like they do for ROI.
that's what I'm hoping for.
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that's what I'm hoping for.
Not a fan then ;D ?
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Not a fan then ;D ?
I liked him when he first arrived, but as time has gone on he's just become a bit meh. Good assist rate but should score a lot more than he does (sadly, we can't play Chelsea every week!)
He does seem scared of a physical challenge too.
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I liked him when he first arrived, but as time has gone on he's just become a bit meh. Good assist rate but should score a lot more than he does (sadly, we can't play Chelsea every week!)
He does seem scared of a physical challenge too.
Easily our second best attacker last season behind Grant, nobody else in our team showed any ability to score or assist and Robinson was the only player who looked comfortable on the ball linking up play. Part of his poor goal return was the simple fact that he was the only one with an eye for a pass or an assist. Helps Grant but he didn't get any service in return. Had we had a Pereira it would have been a different story.
As for this doesn't like a psychical challenge stuff it is just the same as fans moaning about Grant's work rate or body language - load of nonsense from fan base with preconceptions. Granted he isn't Duncan Ferguson. He is a forward who like to get on the ball and run the channels.
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Easily our second best attacker last season behind Grant, nobody else in our team showed any ability to score or assist and Robinson was the only player who looked comfortable on the ball linking up play. Part of his poor goal return was the simple fact that he was the only one with an eye for a pass or an assist. Helps Grant but he didn't get any service in return. Had we had a Pereira it would have been a different story.
As for this doesn't like a psychical challenge stuff it is just the same as fans moaning about Grant's work rate or body language - load of nonsense from fan base with preconceptions. Granted he isn't Duncan Ferguson. He is a forward who like to get on the ball and run the channels.
Nothing to do with any preconceptions but based on the amount of times I've seen him bottle a challenge. He's not the only one though Phillips is similar.
Yes, he was the 2nd best forward we had last season but that's not saying much is it? He was joint 51st in the whole division for goals and 13th for assists. Swift out scored and out assisted him and Wallace had 3 more assists and only 1 less goal....despite both being midfielders rather than a forward.
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I do like Robinson and he's contributed way more than flipping Burke would have over the same time period!
However, I can't work out his best position.
He's not a striker, doesn't have the right skill set at all for me, can't hold the ball up, not a finisher.
He's not a winger, his crosses aren't great and he's not great at dribbling or beating his man.
He's not a number 10, passing is not good enough.
Also he can't take corners or free kicks.
So where do you play him?? We've not got much better players in every possible position and he's too soft/inconsistent to be an impact sub or cover.
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I do like Robinson and he's contributed way more than flipping Burke would have over the same time period!
However, I can't work out his best position.
He's not a striker, doesn't have the right skill set at all for me, can't hold the ball up, not a finisher.
He's not a winger, his crosses aren't great and he's not great at dribbling or beating his man.
He's not a number 10, passing is not good enough.
Also he can't take corners or free kicks.
So where do you play him?? We've not got much better players in every possible position and he's too soft/inconsistent to be an impact sub or cover.
Some of this
I don’t think James Milner is fast,skilfull,great at tackling,fantastic in the air…but he can still do a job?
Same with Robbo,he might not be amazing at one particular skill set,but he’s a steady 7 in all ?
I’d keep …but who else do we have we can use to raise funds ?
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Nothing to do with any preconceptions but based on the amount of times I've seen him bottle a challenge. He's not the only one though Phillips is similar.
Yes, he was the 2nd best forward we had last season but that's not saying much is it? He was joint 51st in the whole division for goals and 13th for assists. Swift out scored and out assisted him and Wallace had 3 more assists and only 1 less goal....despite both being midfielders rather than a forward.
Robinson played 2390 minutes last season, averaging a goal or assist every 149 minutes. Jed Wallace played 3071 minutes, averaging a goal or assist every 170 minutes. Swift is ahead of Robinson, but not by far, goal or assist every 136 minutes. All three records are reasonably impressive, especially Swift.
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Robinsons goose was cooked whether you thought he didn’t when he chickened out of THAT challenge. For me he has never been the bravest , never seeming to want to take a tackle to win a free kick , always seemingly prepared to get rid regardless and roll round on the floor in anticipation. I agree with others it’s very difficult to see exactly what’s his best position and what he offers in that position
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Lowe is an excellent manager (imo) he will do a great job at Preston and they won’t be far away from us this season. That’s enough of a reason not to let him go to Preston.
Plus Robinsons movement as the 4th or 5th sub with ten minutes to go could add a lot of value. Keep him.
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Robinsons goose was cooked whether you thought he didn’t when he chickened out of THAT challenge. For me he has never been the bravest , never seeming to want to take a tackle to win a free kick , always seemingly prepared to get rid regardless and roll round on the floor in anticipation. I agree with others it’s very difficult to see exactly what’s his best position and what he offers in that position
I’ve pulled out of tackles on a Sunday morning…it was forgotten about after the match, are we really going to rate that has one of his “moments†over and above the goal against qpr, the goals against Chelsea, waking up the night after promotion in full wba strip?
I don’t think in is time here he has ever let us down, and we swapped him for Ollie Burke .
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Robinsons goose was cooked whether you thought he didn’t when he chickened out of THAT challenge. For me he has never been the bravest , never seeming to want to take a tackle to win a free kick , always seemingly prepared to get rid regardless and roll round on the floor in anticipation. I agree with others it’s very difficult to see exactly what’s his best position and what he offers in that position
I saw THAT challenge sideways on. If he had followed through, he would have caused serious injury to the goalkeeper. He did right in pulling out.
IMO that's why he looked surprised when he was booed
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What exactly is the issue with Callum Robinson and WBA fans. Are we narrow minded enough to just abuse him because he is ex Villa. Because that is childish in the extreme.
We have far worse players at the club that are just bleeding us in wages.
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What exactly is the issue with Callum Robinson and WBA fans. Are we narrow minded enough to just abuse him because he is ex Villa. Because that is childish in the extreme.
We have far worse players at the club that are just bleeding us in wages.
I detect a level of irritability in 'the force' Luke....... ;D .
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What exactly is the issue with Callum Robinson and WBA fans. Are we narrow minded enough to just abuse him because he is ex Villa. Because that is childish in the extreme.
We have far worse players at the club that are just bleeding us in wages.
if you read what people have said about him then you'd understand people's criticisms about him, can't remember the last time someone mentioned him being ex-Villa.
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if you read what people have said about him then you'd understand people's criticisms about him, can't remember the last time someone mentioned him being ex-Villa.
You must have the memory of a goldfish, you've quite literally just quoted it :P .
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if you read what people have said about him then you'd understand people's criticisms about him, can't remember the last time someone mentioned him being ex-Villa.
Cost us nothing and a hat trick at the team who won the European Cup. What exactly are we criticising here? Nothing to see in my opinion.
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Cost us nothing and a hat trick at the team who won the European Cup. What exactly are we criticising here? Nothing to see in my opinion.
interesting that you quote a stat from the 2020/21 season to praise him.
I wouldn't say there is nothing to see, he was 13th for assists and joint 51st for goals in the Championship last season after all, it's just that there's very little to see.
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I suspect any interest that Preston may have had in Robinson has probably ended at the point they signed Troy Parrott. Ryan Lowe plays a 3-5-2 and looking at the squad he seems to have the 4 strikers he needs for that.
It is pretty obvious that Robinson won't be getting much game time this season. He is at best 2nd choice in any position he might play and 3rd in most. He is available but nobody in the Championship has much money and he is quite expensive even as a loan option. I expect that this will drag on for the next month which is unfortunate for both the player and club.
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We do not have a budget big enough to keep all our current players and bring in new ones, hence some have to move on. As Callum is one of very few we can get out on loan/sell we have to try. The others Livermore/Phillips etc are more difficult, so the club has no choice.
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interesting that you quote a stat from the 2020/21 season to praise him.
I wouldn't say there is nothing to see, he was 13th for assists and joint 51st for goals in the Championship last season after all, it's just that there's very little to see.
We probably had a worse midfield than Peterborough last season, so Bruce has sought to do something about it.
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After grant he was our most productive forward player.
We would be far better getting shot of Zohore or matt Phillips from that area.
Cant see preston coming back for him now
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After grant he was our most productive forward player.
We would be far better getting shot of Zohore or matt Phillips from that area.
Cant see preston coming back for him now
If you had space for one striker and limited funds, which one would you go for?
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If you had space for one striker and limited funds, which one would you go for?
Fair question, Robinson all day long !!
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interesting that you quote a stat from the 2020/21 season to praise him.
I wouldn't say there is nothing to see, he was 13th for assists and joint 51st for goals in the Championship last season after all, it's just that there's very little to see.
He was more productive / better stats per minutes on the pitch for goals & assists last season than Jed Wallace. He deserved a lot more credit, take him & Grant out of our side we would have been looking over our shoulders at the sides in a relegation scrap to league one.
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He was more productive / better stats per minutes on the pitch for goals & assists last season than Jed Wallace. He deserved a lot more credit, take him & Grant out of our side we would have been looking over our shoulders at the sides in a relegation scrap to league one.
Stats only tell part of the story though and often he looked ineffective and anonymous. Worryingly, he looked almost lazy and off it compared to his debut season here. I hope he can rekindle his original form but I am skeptical.
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When comparing stats from Sofa score Wallace is the better option with an average rating of 7.19 compared to Robinson's 6.92.
https://www.sofascore.com/player/jed-wallace/231646
https://www.sofascore.com/player/callum-robinson/190851
When comparing their attributes Wallace outscores Robinson in every department: Defending 27/31; Tactical 44/47; creativity 53/65; Technical 55/60 and attacking 68/69.
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When comparing stats from Sofa score Wallace is the better option with an average rating of 7.19 compared to Robinson's 6.92.
https://www.sofascore.com/player/jed-wallace/231646
https://www.sofascore.com/player/callum-robinson/190851
When comparing their attributes Wallace outscores Robinson in every department: Defending 27/31; Tactical 44/47; creativity 53/65; Technical 55/60 and attacking 68/69.
If you add goals and assists and divide per minutes on the pitch then it demonstrates that Robinson was more productive, if you do not take into account game time then any comparison is flawed. Robinson averaged a goal or assist every 149 minutes, Wallace every 170 minutes.
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While this is all very interesting Robinson and Wallace tend to play on opposite sides of the pitch. Further to this Wallace spent last season in a team which tended to be pretty compact whereas Robinson featured in a system which saw him play further up the pitch placing him in attacking areas more often.
You're pretty much comparing apples with oranges with two wide players from two separate set ups and tactics. What a waste of time and effort. Fair play both though if that's your thing.
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If you add goals and assists and divide per minutes on the pitch then it demonstrates that Robinson was more productive, if you do not take into account game time then any comparison is flawed. Robinson averaged a goal or assist every 149 minutes, Wallace every 170 minutes.
there is more than just goals and assists as provided in the complete analysis of attributes. Yes Robinson has the better goal contributions than Wallace but Wallace is the better overall player.
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there is more than just goals and assists as provided in the complete analysis of attributes. Yes Robinson has the better goal contributions than Wallace but Wallace is the better overall player.
Wallace is a way better player. No statistics will change my view on that. Let’s wait and see who does best this time around. I know where my money will be.
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there is more than just goals and assists as provided in the complete analysis of attributes. Yes Robinson has the better goal contributions than Wallace but Wallace is the better overall player.
Wallace is the better winger and Robinson is a better striker - as much you can compare apples & oranges. My point was that Robinson's stats last season were impressive, once you took into consideration his time on pitch and that the stick he has got from some of our fan base and lack of appreciation is out of order.
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Wallace is a way better player. No statistics will change my view on that. Let’s wait and see who does best this time around. I know where my money will be.
What do you ask for in Ladbrokes?
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What do you ask for in Ladbrokes?
Good question ;)
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Nice assist tonight. Useful squad player.
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It was a refreshing performance from him last night. I thought he was our best player without a doubt and everything went through him.
The most pleasing aspect of his performance was watching him genuinely busting a gut. If he could replicate that effort and quality on a consistent basis then I'd have no qualms about him staying.
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Yes i agree it was a decent performance. A versatile attacking player that has something to offer.
Yes he's a bit soft but so is Grady, most of Bilic players are/were. Not sure why CR gets singled out more than the rest.
Gives Bruce food for thought surely.
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Robinson is a squad player. My view on him hasn't changed. He's OK if you need him to come in and do a job for a few games but if you want to challenge at the top of the table you don't want him as a regular starter.
He's a decent mid table Championship player which is the level our backups need to be.
If he stays fine as long as we use him properly. If he goes again fine as long as we bring in someone of at least the same level and is cheaper.
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I've always liked him, maybe just because he seems to enjoy playing football, but he is a bit lightweight off the ball. I'd rather he stayed than we sold him and got someone "similar", he and Grant know each others game.
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I've always liked him, maybe just because he seems to enjoy playing football, but he is a bit lightweight off the ball. I'd rather he stayed than we sold him and got someone "similar", he and Grant know each others game.
Yes, you're right. Him and Grant work well together - you only have to look at last season's stats to see that.
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He’s going to be needed Sunday. Either starting up front or on the bench to take grants place at some point.
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He’s going to be needed Sunday. Either starting up front or on the bench to take grants place at some point.
Great left footed cross for Grant's headed goal last night. Grant-Robinson partnership delivers some good goals though maybe not plentiful enough.
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Grant-Robinson partnership delivers some good goals though maybe not plentiful enough.
They do seem to have a connection but Robinson isn’t starting on Sunday given our performance on Monday and with three league games in a week, we can’t play a knocked Grant for 90minutes even if he is fit. So i personally would have one replacing the other rather than them on the pitch at the same time.
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They do seem to have a connection but Robinson isn’t starting on Sunday given our performance on Monday and with three league games in a week, we can’t play a knocked Grant for 90minutes even if he is fit. So i personally would have one replacing the other rather than them on the pitch at the same time.
He might be if Grant is injured... cant see him throwing cleary in but what do i know
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Emil Riis Jakobsen at Preston isn't playing for whatever reason (fallout rumours) but if they aren't prepared to pay money for Robbo then maybe we can swap him for this guy.
Always a handful and did very well last season and still relatively young.
If not permanent maybe a loan swap could be an option.
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Robinson had a chance to impress tonight but failed per usual with reports of new striker being brought in think club should try and move him out.
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We can’t move him out, we don’t have the strength in depth to let him go even if we did get a new striker in. We need him from the bench as one of very few dynamic substitutes in the squad.
Harsh to judge him too much tonight, the eleven did include a number of youth players and reserves.
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We can’t move him out, we don’t have the strength in depth to let him go even if we did get a new striker in. We need him from the bench as one of very few dynamic substitutes in the squad.
Harsh to judge him too much tonight, the eleven did include a number of youth players and reserves.
We can't afford to move him out given the shortage of goalscorers we have. Even if not in starting eleven, we need him available from the bench. Although only according to Andy Johnson's comments, he was about the best of our players tonight in Derby.
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We can't afford to move him out given the shortage of goalscorers we have. Even if not in starting eleven, we need him available from the bench. Although only according to Andy Johnson's comments, he was about the best of our players tonight in Derby.
He is also alongside Wallace and Swift the only other player who can trap the ball, carry the ball and has the vision to play in Grant.
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I actually would prefer him to Grant at CF as he can make better use of his less-favoured foot as evidenced by dangerous crosses from the left in recent games. Grant often contorts himself to use his right foot where a simple side foot with his left might have done the job.
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He is also alongside Wallace and Swift the only other player who can trap the ball, carry the ball and has the vision to play in Grant.
This, he's actually one of our more talented players. We should stick with him in my opinion.
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His finishing last night was just not good enough.
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Class, keep him.
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Would keep him above quite a few players including Grant he has much more ability and vision, not that saying a lot.
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His finishing last night was just not good enough.
Sums up the entire squad with the exception of Swift and Grant and even Grant isn't clinical. We have a squad full of players that are poor finishers.
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Does anyone know what the situation with Callum is? Are people just assuming he's on the move because he was out of the squad last night or has something been reported by a reliable source. Anything I've seen has just been speculation here and on twitter. As one of our few saleable assets I would be no surprise if he goes.
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ELIAS on Cr
"Missed last night with an injury. Bruce maintains Albion have not received a single offer for him this window. Unless a serious bid is firmed up before tomorrow’s deadline Robinson will stay an Albion player, according to the manager."
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In talks with Cardiff?
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https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2022/08/31/steve-bruce-reveals-callum-robinson-injury-blow-and-says-west-brom-had-no-offers/
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https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2022/08/31/steve-bruce-reveals-callum-robinson-injury-blow-and-says-west-brom-had-no-offers/
Why would any forward looking club in this division want him?
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Why would any forward looking club in this division want him?
maybe because they think they will be playing Chelsea soon
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ELIAS on Cr
"Missed last night with an injury. Bruce maintains Albion have not received a single offer for him this window. Unless a serious bid is firmed up before tomorrow’s deadline Robinson will stay an Albion player, according to the manager."
😂😂😂
Cmon you lot ….really
It’s pretty simple
Managers can’t come out and say certain things
If he calls Zohore a donkey there goes the small chance of selling him
Even Bruce’s statement on Robbo is blindingly obvious…he won’t go without a firm offer…well that’s that then
He is talking to a few options and will probably go.
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😂😂😂
Cmon you lot ….really
It’s pretty simple
Managers can’t come out and say certain things
If he calls Zohore a donkey there goes the small chance of selling him
Even Bruce’s statement on Robbo is blindingly obvious…he won’t go without a firm offer…well that’s that then
He is talking to a few options and will probably go.
He did say its a minor injury so wouldnt stop a transfer most likely, see below
"Darren Witcoop
@DarrenOWitcoop
Cardiff have an interest in West Brom forward Callum Robinson. But at this early stage, they are not the only Champ club keen and have a list of potential targets. Robinson is also recovering from a minor injury #wba #CardiffCity"
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Doesn’t make sense to let him go unless we’re getting decent money. He’s literally the only player we’ve got on the bench who is capable of changing a game. If we let him go I’d expect another 2 signings minimum on top of Thomas-Asante, if not then we’re weakening the squad again.
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Another of those who 'can' do a job but doesn't do it often enough , at this stage I wouldn't know whether to stick or twist .
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Stick for me. After Grady he's the most skillful\tricky player we have.
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Why would any forward looking club in this division want him?
Because contrary to some of the things I read, the players we have had over the last few years are still half decent championship level players who in their own way would improve most squads in this division. Preston fans on social media are saying they never really replaced Robonson and would be chuffed to have him back.
See Snodgrass, Field, Kipre, Sawyers and Mowatt.
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In talks with Cardiff?
I'd only let him go if he takes Zohore with him, wherever he goes
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I'd only let him go if he takes Zohore with him, wherever he goes
Buy one - get one free. I like it! 😀
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Another of those who 'can' do a job but doesn't do it often enough , at this stage I wouldn't know whether to stick or twist .
A difficult one our squad looks paper thin but he’d not be anyone’s first choice. Is this a fire sale? Perhaps we are in more trouble than we realise and simply need to get the wage bill down.
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DOOD
@DoodWBA
Update on Robbo we're now trying sell him rather than loaning him out. #WBA
Wonder if we will go back for that JAO bloke from Reading if we sell CR
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DOOD
@DoodWBA
Update on Robbo we're now trying sell him rather than loaning him out. #WBA
Wonder if we will go back for that JAO bloke from Reading if we sell CR
That guy knows absolutely nothing, all his transfer rumour knowledge comes after its reported elsewhere and just supplements it with guesswork
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That guy knows absolutely nothing, all his transfer rumour knowledge comes after its reported elsewhere and just supplements it with guesswork
Indeed that's why i post it in the tat thread
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Yet another sign to me of the precarious financial state that the club is in. He is not great but can certainly do a job as a squad player. As others have said, if he goes we want a better replacement player.
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On his day, Callum Robinson can be exceptionally good - trouble is those days are few and far between.
I’ll never forget that outstanding goal he scored in the 2-5 win against Chelsea where he started the goal scoring move with a great pass to the right wing and he perfectly volleyed the cross in the net from the edge of the box.
https://youtu.be/T9MNUjy4NxI
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Wouldnt be surprised the 'injury' was made up.
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Wouldnt be surprised the 'injury' was made up.
Cardiff journo said he is injured but should be fit in a week or 2 so not bad enough to stop a transfer going through.
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Sky Sports have said Bristol and Burnley also asking about Callum apparently
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Would swap him for JROD every day of the week if we could pull that off!
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Would swap him for JROD every day of the week if we could pull that off!
JROD just signed a new deal there
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It is Dood but
"@DoodWBA
Bidding war for Robbo... 💷 5 clubs now trying to sign him. He'll go to highest offer. 2/3m #WBA"
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Fingers crossed he is correct
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It is Dood but
"@DoodWBA
Bidding war for Robbo... 💷 5 clubs now trying to sign him. He'll go to highest offer. 2/3m #WBA"
Almost suggests he is quite a good player at this level!
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Almost suggests he is quite a good player at this level!
I think he is at this level. There are others i'd like to see go before him but his fee and wages saved will be in a few more on loan i guess.
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Almost suggests he is quite a good player at this level!
It does. Makes you wonder if we can find a better replacement.
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I think he is at this level. There are others i'd like to see go before him but his fee and wages saved will be in a few more on loan i guess.
Trouble with loans is they are loans, recalls an issue, but we have no other options left, has to work or it is very deep do do
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Trouble with loans is they are loans, recalls an issue, but we have no other options left, has to work or it is very deep do do
I agree. Risky but left with no choice
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Talksport's Alex Crook who broke the Thomas-Asante story is saying a deal has been agreed for Cardiff to take Robinson on a permanent deal.
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Now confirmed by Steve Bruce, despite his details a few days ago. The bloke can't lie straight in bed ;D.
Frees up wages I guess, hope we have got £2m plus.
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Now confirmed by Steve Bruce, despite his details a few days ago. The bloke can't lie straight in bed ;D.
Frees up wages I guess, hope we have got £2m plus.
Can't believe a word Bruce says.
Any chance Robinson can take Phillips and Zohore with him?
I've felt Robinsons days were numbered since he upset the Brummie Road End last season.
Another strange player. Its not that he doesn't have decent ability but he doesn't show enough of it often enough.
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Now confirmed by Steve Bruce, despite his details a few days ago. The bloke can't lie straight in bed ;D.
Frees up wages I guess, hope we have got £2m plus.
I'd hope closer to £3m. Blackburn paid £2m for Szmodics who is a similar age and far less proven at this level.
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Not sad in the slightest to see him go.
I just hope it’s generated enough money to fund his replacements
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There's a good player somewhere in there, he's obviously talented but never looked like being consistent here. Hopefully we get a decent fee as he does have the ability to be one of the better players at this level, although given our usual negotiating ability I doubt it.
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Will be interesting to see if he does end up going elsewhere. Still rumours (as there always are with these crazy deadline days) that other clubs are still in the mix and may agree a fee.
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Only makes sense if we've got better replacements. As it is our bench doesn't have anything remotely skillful that could unlock a defence on it.
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Fee is meant to be £1.5m
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Feels like we've taken a bit of a hit there. Not surprised though, clubs in the championship don't have a lot of money for up front fees at the moment. Will see us about 2.5 to 3 mil this year when factoring in wages plus the fee.
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Medical in Cardiff according to reports
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Now confirmed by Steve Bruce, despite his details a few days ago. The bloke can't lie straight in bed ;D.
Frees up wages I guess, hope we have got £2m plus.
I am not disappointed by this provided we get a better replacement. Not sure what we expect Bruce to say in all fairness.
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£1.5m is a steal. Realistically, if we signed someone like CR for £1.5m to play behind a front striker I'd think we've got a great deal. £1.5m doesn't go very far these days.
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£1.5m is a steal. Realistically, if we signed someone like CR for £1.5m to play behind a front striker I'd think we've got a great deal. £1.5m doesn't go very far these days.
Bruce obviously doesnt rate him so best he goes and makes way for a player that Bruce wants
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1.5m??? Jeez. Hopefully we get some decent signings with it
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According to a journo on twitter, CR7 leaving is conditional on us getting Chong.
Looks as though Chong is going to BCFC.
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I am not disappointed by this provided we get a better replacement. Not sure what we expect Bruce to say in all fairness.
I've embolded the key phrase, because its by no means certain.
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According to a journo on twitter, CR7 leaving is conditional on us getting Chong.
Looks as though Chong is going to BCFC.
Have you got a link?
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Have you got a link?
No Liam, it's got lost in the twitter fog that is "transfer window final day".
It was early this morning so things could have changed by now & particularly if we get this lad from Fulham.
I don't think we'll let Robbo go though if we haven't got a replacement.
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I don't think we'll let Robbo go though if we haven't got a replacement.
I wouldn't be so sure. It may be that the club feel they can get by with BTA as his sub bench replacement.
Still a long way to go in this window but with a midfielder and a defender coming in and no news yet of a forward it is a possibility.
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Callum seen entering Cardiff City Stadium earlier today
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Has he signed for them
Yet? Or are they still trying to peel the Albion kit off him ?
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Anyone half expecting a U-turn on this and no ins or outs as a result? Got that feeling :-X
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Anyone half expecting a U-turn on this and no ins or outs as a result? Got that feeling :-X
I get the impression it will be us that put the breaks on it if anything. It could be one of those where he sits in an office at cardiff until we can confirm weve got our business done. Otherwise he's heading back.
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I get the impression it will be us that put the breaks on it if anything. It could be one of those where he sits in an office at cardiff until we can confirm weve got our business done. Otherwise he's heading back.
Typical transfer day. Premiership clubs will have handbrake on squad players we want until they get the players they are targeting and in turn we will have the handbrake on the Robinson deal until we get bodies in. One big carousel of carnage. What we have shown this window is that Robinson is one of our few first players that other teams want and are prepared to open their cheque book for.
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Typical transfer day. Premiership clubs will have handbrake on squad players we want until they get the players they are targeting and in turn we will have the handbrake on the Robinson deal until we get bodies in. One big carousel of carnage. What we have shown this window is that Robinson is one of our few first players that other teams want and are prepared to open their cheque book for.
You’ve got more confidence than I have. Not sure how much other deals will affect players like Kelly and Onomah.
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I have no idea if we will end up signing another player, four new players or none at all. Happy to wait and see - not long to go now thankfully, looking forward to seeing the back of the transfer window as it turns into a distraction and at least the players we will end with will be more settled.
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If he goes and we've finished our buying business then we are going to struggle this season.
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If he goes and we've finished our buying business then we are going to struggle this season.
I don't see the club sanctioning the move unless we have the striker in that we want.
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Bruce obviously doesnt rate him so best he goes and makes way for a player that Bruce wants
Most fans don’t rate Bruce and I have a feeling he will not be here much longer
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Presume we pull the deal if we don’t get a replacement in?
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Presume we pull the deal if we don’t get a replacement in?
Would make sense. Otherwise we are heaping alot of pressure on this Brandon kid.
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Presume we pull the deal if we don’t get a replacement in?
Exactly that and presumably the player we want is dependant on that club brining someone in, hence why a lot of deals are getting announced late this evening, near or on the deadline.
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Robinson to Cardiff confirmed.
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All the best CR, not the best player but far from the worst.
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Hope we have a striker lined up :/
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Robinson to Cardiff confirmed.
Never the same after he bottled 'that' challenge but just missing that little bit of something to really nail down a place. Good footballer on his day.
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Never the same after he bottled 'that' challenge but just missing that little bit of something to really nail down a place. Good footballer on his day.
Yeah felt like he was always close, had potential but never quite got there. On his day though great at this level.
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He must have signed this afternoon, his photos on the Cardiff website show him in his shirt this afternoon
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He must have signed this afternoon, his photos on the Cardiff website show him in his shirt this afternoon
It was on the OS but 'hidden' looking at time stamps, i guess they have to wait for both clubs to release news at an agreed time.
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He must have signed this afternoon, his photos on the Cardiff website show him in his shirt this afternoon
Everything was agreed, then he has had to sit in an office….and wait, we wouldn’t let him until we had someone….get ready 😉
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Never the same after he bottled 'that' challenge but just missing that little bit of something to really nail down a place. Good footballer on his day.
The little bit of something being exactly what his position is. Likeable character, best of luck.
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Always will remember that Chelsea game
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When he came on loan he pretty much dragged us to the Prem, had moments and flashes of a real good player but just went missing too much. Clearly Bruce didn’t like him at all.
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Well there has to be a striker incoming if he’s going…
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Well there has to be a striker incoming if he’s going…
Talk about cutting it fine 7 mins to go
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Talk about cutting it fine 7 mins to go
They've only had all summer.
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Off the bench he was pretty much the only one with a game changing moment. So him going without replacement is beyond farcical.
Did well for a while but fell into the malaise in the weak dressing room. Thanks for your efforts
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Good fortune for the future Callum, thank you for your service to the Baggies and your smile 😀
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I don't believe we paid £15m for Burke, but for those that do selling Robbo for £1.5m means we lost £13.5m on Burke.
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I don't believe we paid £15m for Burke, but for those that do selling Robbo for £1.5m means we lost £13.5m on Burke.
Thats another happy positive thought for today...
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Thats another happy positive thought for today...
Or 10 Callum Robinsons = 1 Olly Burke.
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If we'd signed Robbo and Mowatt in this window, it would have felt like a good window. Tells you a lot.
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If we'd signed Robbo and Mowatt in this window, it would have felt like a good window. Tells you a lot.
That is exactly what i thought this morning.
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Good Luck Callum. Sold for a paltry £1.5 m and no replacement. Well done the recruitment team :-[
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If we'd signed Robbo and Mowatt in this window, it would have felt like a good window. Tells you a lot.
That is exactly what i thought this morning.
Yep, exactly. We've lost the only other player in the squad who has something a bit about him. That bit of enthusiasm and will try and make something happen.
Now we're going to either need something from Grady.
Or a ball to drop in the box kindly from Wallace.
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Awful to sell Robbo without the replacement coming in
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Or 10 Callum Robinsons = 1 Olly Burke.
Or Grant is worth more than 10 times Robbo.
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Callum Robinson hails 'incredible' West Brom after Cardiff City switch
https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2022/09/04/callum-robinson-hails-incredible-west-brom-after-cardiff-city-switch/
Thank you for your service to West Bromwich Albion Callum and good luck to you for the future
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Callum Tweeted
Absolutely buzzing to have scored my first @cardiffcityfc goal! Lads were class and unlucky not to get all 3 points. Home fans were amazing!👏🏽💙#CardiffCity
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Thought it was stupid to get rid. Now I'm totally convinced.
Should have tried to offload Grant instead.
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It was always stupid to get rid. After Grady he was the only other player in the squad who had something about him, that might pull off that trick or bit of skill. Might not have been the best player ever but certainly better than what he's left behind. Criminal to get rid with no replacement.
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Talented but inconsistent hid when the going got tough player who was capable of fleeting moments of quality and a gob when he didn't fancy closing down the opposition. Yet another bloody infuriatingly inconsistent player capable of the very good and the spectacularly nothing whatsoever.
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Didn't rate him and was glad to see the back of him, until we didn't replace him.
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Should never have let him go.
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Remember when the fans turned on him. Strange now he has left and doing well we are having doubts
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Remember when the fans turned on him. Strange now he has left and doing well we are having doubts
Our players usually do better away from here. No other club appoints such poor managers on such a consistent basis.
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Our players usually do better away from here. No other club appoints such poor managers on such a consistent basis.
Not at all true in case of Robinson. Talented player with poor attitude who does it when it suits. Was the same at previous clubs and will be the same at Cardiff. I saw him enough times to realise this. Still prefer him to Grant though!!
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Not at all true in case of Robinson. Talented player with poor attitude who does it when it suits. Was the same at previous clubs and will be the same at Cardiff. I saw him enough times to realise this. Still prefer him to Grant though!!
I did say generally. Look at the list of managers Lai has appointed. All rubbish apart from Bilic and he almost cocked it all up after the covid break.
Atrocious selections from above.
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Good managers get the best from their players, there are so many examples of this.
Bad managers fail to do the same and then the blame starts, "individual mistakes, need to work harder, need more quality......
Generally ends in 1 result, its like having a boss who is a contractor, but you are all long term employees with good redundancy packages. Who goes contractor or the long term employees?
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Just a small thing, but I don't think Robinson does have a poor attitude really. I'd say it's more a case of lacking altop level ability and having the wrong mental toughness/concentration to perform consistently.
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It should have been Grant sold not Robbo.
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It should have been Grant sold not Robbo.
So which clubs put bids in for Grant then?
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So which clubs put bids in for Grant then?
I guess it depends on the value we put on Grant. If other clubs thought we wanted our £15m back, there would be no takers. Maybe they thought that we wanted £10m?, £7m? Maybe if they’d known that we only wanted a couple of million like with CR there would have been interest…
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So which clubs put bids in for Grant then?
Oceana
Dome 2
Stoodi baker’s
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Just scored for Cardiff >:(
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Just scored for Cardiff >:(
2 goals 3 assists already
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1.5m, cheers Bruce
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Bruce doesn't decide the transfer fees.
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Bruce doesn't decide the transfer fees.
He does agree the transfer though according to himself and Ron.
Makes him look even stupider.
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2 goals 3 assists already
No surprise. He was our second top scorer last season and top for assists. But not good enough apparently.
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I think this player’s departure has more to do with us fans after he cowarded out of that challenge late last season. Know for a fact that he was very upset about that incident, as were we.
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I think this player’s departure has more to do with us fans after he cowarded out of that challenge late last season. Know for a fact that he was very upset about that incident, as were we.
I agree with you.
I sit in the East Stand, bang opposite that incident, I could see from his face that he was upset with the reaction he got.
Don't think he ever recovered from that.
Personally, I think he was right to pull out of the challenge, had he followed through he could have caused their keeper a serious injury & got himself a red card.
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No surprise. He was our second top scorer last season and top for assists. But not good enough apparently.
Selling our most important and productive player for goals & assists combined was obviously a big blow, another example of the boardroom running down the team and club.
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Selling our most important and productive player for goals & assists combined was obviously a big blow, another example of the boardroom running down the team and club.
Agreed, really sorry he is not one of ours any more.
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Selling our most important and productive player for goals & assists combined was obviously a big blow, another example of the boardroom running down the team and club.
Unlikely to be a board decision, IMO, it was a Bruce decision to free up wages & give us a bit of capital.
As stated earlier, Robbo was struggling after the fans turned on him.
I would rather have sold Grant, but that's unlikely with us still owing Hundersfield around £10 million.
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Unlikely to be a board decision, IMO, it was a Bruce decision to free up wages & give us a bit of capital.
As stated earlier, Robbo was struggling after the fans turned on him.
I would rather have sold Grant, but that's unlikely with us still owing Hundersfield around £10 million.
Why would the manager want a weaker squad? Pretty sure he is more concerned about his options in the team than the club's bank balance.
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Why would the manager want a weaker squad? Pretty sure he is more concerned about his options in the team than the club's bank balance.
Widely reported he did not rate Callum and wanted him gone.
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Why would the manager want a weaker squad? Pretty sure he is more concerned about his options in the team than the club's bank balance.
Because it's been obvious that he was constrained by a very limited buget during the entire transfer window, but the decision on who to retain & who to let go was principally his.
IMO, he would have liked to have included Grant into the equation, but Grant sits on the books at around £10million, which we still owe to Huddersfield.
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Crazy that we sold him.
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Whichever way you look at it, his time here was done. He offered very little and his attitude was questioned on many an occasion.
Just a shame that we have an Adam Reach on the bench instead of somebody like him.
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Has scored twice and 3 assists in the short time he's been at Cardiff.
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Good player on his day.
Inconsistent but where we are nowadays that is the sort of player we will get, fans try comparing the players we have around the club now to the players we had 8 years ago.
Should of been kept on IMO, either way I'm not too bothered, happy to see him doing well.
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Crazy that we sold him.
Crazy that a section did what they always do and turned on him.
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Crazy that a section did what they always do and turned on him.
I never like turning on a player but I think this is unfair. On the one occasion when I visibly and audibly heard the crowd turn on him, he backed out of a challenge that could have resulted in a penalty, or even a goal, and he gave the Brummie a look of disgust when the crowd were upset with it.
He was in and out of the team - never looked close to scoring.
I think he’s a good Champ player but sometimes a player’s cycle comes to an end and when that player is out of the team or somewhere else, people’s opinions of that said player go up tenfold, especially with the team not doing well.
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Second top scorer in our previous PL season (behind MP), albeit on only five for the season, second highest scorer last season (again, only scored five). Not the best player in the world, but not even close to being the worst in our squad.
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Crazy that a section did what they always do and turned on him.
It was one game and thoroughly warranted.
By and large he was well supported by the crowd despite his attitude.
Let’s not blame the supporters for this..
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Robinson a talented player but with a heart the size of a pea. Grant not much better.
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It was one game and thoroughly warranted.
By and large he was well supported by the crowd despite his attitude.
Let’s not blame the supporters for this..
No it was one game, where if he had followed in he would have had as much chance of putting the other player in hospital as he would of getting a penalty/the ball…
To those that decided to vent , it may well have been just that moment, to the player it may sit with him every time he pulls the shirt on?
The shirt by the way, that he was still wearing the next morning after waking up in the hotel after promotion, the same shirt that win lose or draw he always made a point of giving to a young baggie and making their day .
Plenty on here had decided that he “shouldn’t wear the shirt again†and stuff like that gets back to the club, from that moment on every misplaced pass or failed attempt at goal received murmurs…quite right he wanted out
I don’t think Livermore should have had an extension, but he gets pelters, I’ve seen people complain when he’s not even playing,ditto furlong, yesterday grant could be in no doubt that the unsilent but loud minority cannot stand him
But let’s not blame the fans ?
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Zippy, I have to correct you about Grant. There was no booing aimed at him, definitely not.
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Zippy, I have to correct you about Grant. There was no booing aimed at him, definitely not.
Then one of us was at a different match.
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I am in the smethwick. Any booing was not directed at Grant but the perceived negativity of taking BTA and Diangana off
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I am in the smethwick. Any booing was not directed at Grant but the perceived negativity of taking BTA and Diangana off
How can anyone state the Grant didn’t think it was at him?
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It’s impossible to unravel that.
Two subs at the same time with the most effective players taken off.
Boos for the tactics not the individuals?
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Then one of us was at a different match.
Yes, you. Sorry. The booing was at SB for who he took off. Without any doubt.
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Yes, you. Sorry. The booing was at SB for who he took off. Without any doubt.
So just to be clear then.
When Grant came in the pitch he would have heard
A) clapping
B) cheering
C) booing
It matters not that some people are saying that it wasn’t directed at him,it’s never what said it’s how it’s received .
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So just to be clear then.
When Grant came in the pitch he would have heard
A) clapping
B) cheering
C) booing
It matters not that some people are saying that it wasn’t directed at him,it’s never what said it’s how it’s received .
Well given both substitutions were met with boos and chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing†it’s safe to suggest that this wasn’t some planned jeering of Grant.. ::)
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Well given both substitutions were met with boos and chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing†it’s safe to suggest that this wasn’t some planned jeering of Grant.. ::)
I never said it was planned .
I thought my question was simple enough but people will apply answers to suit what they want I suppose.
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They were not aimed at Grant specifically.
The booing 100% was the reaction to taking the 2 best players on the pitch off, when we're desperate to get a win.
If they'd been bought on for any of our lethergic (and blowing out their backside) midfielders like Jake, Yok or Phillips, then there would not have been that reaction.
Lastly, this is the Callum Robinson thread, which I honestly dont understant why it isn't closed (or moved to "other" category now he's gone?)
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Just got himself sent off in the derby ;D
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I can’t help wondering whether Callum would have been an asset and the type of player Carlos’s would have liked in his squad
Too late now