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« Reply #500 on: June 15, 2015, 03:38:54 PM »
Maybe he means like Charlton did ? Stood still for so long they moved backwards.

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« Reply #501 on: June 15, 2015, 04:09:49 PM »
Some hilariously blinkered views here not worthy of dissecting and commenting on. One comment however,  that staying under Peace's leadership we will disappear into obscurity is absolutely ridiculous. We've progressed so much under him, why would we suddenly disappear into obscurity with him still in charge? That would be a huge task. Wolves got relegated twice and didn't slip into obscurity. Suggesting the two choices are stick with Peace and slip into obscurity or change ownership and that's less of a risk is very naive.

And last I checked he's trying to sell the club, why now lay into him for taking us as far as he can? He's trying to sell us for goodness sake, he's not dragging his feet trying to rudderlessly steer us into obscurity - he wants out. Can't have a go at him for taking us as far as he can unless he refuses to go.

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« Reply #502 on: June 15, 2015, 04:13:07 PM »
And last I checked he's trying to sell the club, why now lay into him for taking us as far as he can? He's trying to sell us for goodness sake, he's not dragging his feet trying to rudderlessly steer us into obscurity - he wants out. Can't have a go at him for taking us as far as he can unless he refuses to go.

Does he want out because he thinks that this moment in time represents the best foreseeable return on his investment or is it because he thinks its in the best interests of the club if he stands aside and lets someone with more financial clout take over?

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« Reply #503 on: June 15, 2015, 04:13:18 PM »
Here's an interesting one who thinks we will get taken over and who thinks jezza will stay on, Would be an interesting poll.

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« Reply #504 on: June 15, 2015, 04:18:28 PM »
Maybe he means like Charlton did ? Stood still for so long they moved backwards.
Only because they sacked curbs to be fair they thought they could get better and then looked what happened

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« Reply #505 on: June 15, 2015, 04:23:12 PM »
Here's an interesting one who thinks we will get taken over and who thinks jezza will stay on, Would be an interesting poll.
Think he'll sell personally but these things take a bit of time would anyone spend 150mil without due process, even when the due diligence finished at maybe end of may it would still take at least 4 to 6 weeks to sort out so should be hearing something soon I would think as if it had fell through I would have thought we'd know by now

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« Reply #506 on: June 15, 2015, 04:25:23 PM »
Peace has no wish to invest on the playing side of the club,and is totally blind or ignorant toe the history and traditions of West Bromwich Albion.

So "blind" and "ignorant" to Albion's history and tradition that he bombed Nicolas Anelka out of the club at a time when we desperately needed strikers simply because Anelka had disgraced the proud anti-racist principles of the club?  Let's face it; unless we're taken over by a consortium of fans (which, for the record, I wouldn't be opposed to), you'll struggle to find a prospective owner on the planet who understands this club and its history better than Jeremy Peace.

I'd also be interested to hear where this magical land we're supposed to be "pushing on" to is located, because unless it's the Champions League - which is now a permanently closed shop, and no team from outside the elite has broken into in a decade - there's literally no point in an owner spending their own money to move us up the table, because they'll get nothing back.  You may as well spend your days wishing that the royal family will turn you into a prince because they feel sorry for you.
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« Reply #507 on: June 15, 2015, 04:27:56 PM »
Unfortunately standing still is considered success in the greed league.
Lerner thought he could get Villa in with the big boys, then once he realised it was a closed shop, he closed his wallet and settled for survival.
Peace has done a fantastic job to keep us in there but I think he realises now that it's groundhog day, every summer you have to spend more, but your target is still the same - survive!
We finished 13th this season but our target next year will not be 12th it will 17th.
I honestly don't see how this changes, whoever comes in.

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« Reply #508 on: June 15, 2015, 05:08:05 PM »
we finished 8th under Clarke.

that's a good trick, how do you regress while standing still?

As the old saying goes...

We have regressed over the last 2 years though. That is fact. We need new investment just maintain our position let alone move to the next level. How many teams can we realistically compete with over transfers now? The 3 promoted teams perhaps and that is all.

Whilst JP has done a good job over his term there is no denying that he's made a hell of a lot of mistakes over the last couple of seasons.
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« Reply #509 on: June 15, 2015, 05:11:25 PM »
just as a matter of interest I keep reading about us 'getting to the next level'
What does that actually mean?
With a few tweaks we can be challenging for the domestic cups and finish in the top half of the Prem.
What are we actually looking to be doing?

For me it would be getting into Europe by finishing high up the league or by winning a cup. I think that we are a bit further from a 'few tweaks' to achieve even this IMO.
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« Reply #510 on: June 15, 2015, 05:30:02 PM »
Does he want out because he thinks that this moment in time represents the best foreseeable return on his investment or is it because he thinks its in the best interests of the club if he stands aside and lets someone with more financial clout take over?

Why wouldn't he sell after the next round of Sky money comes in next year? That'd suggest he doesn't think we could stay up with him in charge, which for the last five years (albeit one very near miss) we've done that. If he's all about selling for his best interests and highest return on his money, that'd be next year surely?

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« Reply #511 on: June 15, 2015, 05:50:56 PM »
Peace will not go on for ever and at some point he will sell up and now is as good as time as any and better than most. 

The new owners whoever they are will not take us to the next level because short of champions league football there is no next level. Most mid-table clubs can take a stab at the cup it generally doesn't end well for them but the latter stages can and will be reached by teams like ourselves and that is within our means without a massive injection of capital.

The following table I have nicked from a blog (by the excellent Swiss Ramble) about Newcastle but it demonstrates the point

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Basically our wages have grown phenomenally and teams that were way ahead of us like Newcastle and Villa are not that far ahead of us now but Spurs are still on a different planet. Equally you can see that teams like Southampton and Swansea when they are promoted catch up to us very quickly but are likely to plateau without champions league football (like ourselves and Stoke)

In short unless a club can sustain a £100m wage bill then you are pretty much in the same boat as everybody else. The best we can hope for is a safe pair of hands that will grow the club without threatening our future. I dread a Venkays or Fernandes and hope for Peace mark II
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« Reply #512 on: June 15, 2015, 07:31:22 PM »
I remember a time when some of you on here were organising Peace Out banners. What happened to them?

Face it folks,the bloke has taken us as far as he can, and we weren't mid championship when he took over, we were premiership. Some of you want to learn your history.

Are any of you related to Jezza?

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« Reply #513 on: June 15, 2015, 08:22:23 PM »
I remember a time when some of you on here were organising Peace Out banners. What happened to them?

Face it folks,the bloke has taken us as far as he can, and we weren't mid championship when he took over, we were premiership. Some of you want to learn your history.

Are any of you related to Jezza?
It faded because it was so embarrassing our own fans were even taking the pee I think about 10 people turned up and that's being generous.

When Peace took over we wasn't in the premiership I believe again before my time of following closely.

I think your hugely ungrateful for what he's done he's admitted himself that he doesn't have the finances for us to compete and truthfully considering over the years what we have spent big fees on I wouldn't invest more either.

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« Reply #514 on: June 15, 2015, 08:32:04 PM »
In fairness peace took over in the summer of our first premier league season?

Still done a great job moving the club forward on other fronts not just buying players and making us a premier league club in stature, not just status

By which I mean training facilities amongst other things
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« Reply #515 on: June 15, 2015, 08:38:36 PM »
In fairness peace took over in the summer of our first premier league season?

Still done a great job moving the club forward on other fronts not just buying players and making us a premier league club in stature, not just status

By which I mean training facilities amongst other things
The only thing which I would want us to scrap if standards and non existent chances carry on is the academy may be controversial to some but I find it bemusing, confusing and annoying how we don't give the youngsters a chance I say youngsters some of them are 21 now.

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« Reply #516 on: June 15, 2015, 09:32:07 PM »
The only thing which I would want us to scrap if standards and non existent chances carry on is the academy may be controversial to some but I find it bemusing, confusing and annoying how we don't give the youngsters a chance I say youngsters some of them are 21 now.

Maybe they aren't given a chance because they aren't good enough! Berahino has forced his way in, Izzy Brown would have done had he not left.

Our academy is starting to produce players who are pushing...Tyler Roberts and Jonathan Leko both highly rated. If they are good enough, they will force their way in!

Name a youngster who we have let go in recent times who has proved us wrong!?!

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« Reply #517 on: June 15, 2015, 09:38:07 PM »
I remember a time when some of you on here were organising Peace Out banners. What happened to them?

Face it folks,the bloke has taken us as far as he can, and we weren't mid championship when he took over, we were premiership. Some of you want to learn your history.

Are any of you related to Jezza?

We are lightyears ahead of where we were before Peace come in. Look at our facilities now and the sort of players we bring in e.g. Lescott and Fletcher. Be careful what you wish for because some may be wishing Peace was back when our new owner comes in.
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« Reply #518 on: June 15, 2015, 11:20:16 PM »
Peace also voted against financial fair play rules being introduced to make us a more attractive proposition for potential future buyers. But people will stand brand him a stingy dictator who hates the club.

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« Reply #519 on: June 15, 2015, 11:28:10 PM »
8th to 10th is the best we can achieve, unless a billionaire takes over and doubles the stadium size and buys a whole new squad, which is never going to happen. Last season we finished 12th? Fact is we can never hope to compete with City, Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs. We would also be punching above our weight to compete with Everton, West Spam in their new stadium or the seals if they get their act together. So this is as good as it gets. Yes we can improve the squad and try to rekindle that first half of the year that we had under Clarke or get a cup run going but the better you start the season the more likely you collapse at the turn of the year. Look at West Ham that is gravity for you. Personally I always hope we stay clear of the relegation scrap, win our home games and take the odd scalp of a bigger club and maybe have the odd cup run - that is enough for me and we can't hope to do any better. So I'm not really interested in a new owner. The only upside I could see is potential investment in expanding the stadium which in the long term increases the sustainable revenue and appeal of the club. Downside could be debt, chaos and a fall back to mid table championship team. Peace has proved he can bring success and stability. The majority of chairman don't succeed, I think we take Peace's extraordinary success for granted much of the time.

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« Reply #520 on: June 16, 2015, 12:05:02 AM »
8th to 10th is the best we can achieve, unless a billionaire takes over and doubles the stadium size and buys a whole new squad, which is never going to happen. Last season we finished 12th? Fact is we can never hope to compete with City, Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs. We would also be punching above our weight to compete with Everton, West Spam in their new stadium or the seals if they get their act together. So this is as good as it gets. Yes we can improve the squad and try to rekindle that first half of the year that we had under Clarke or get a cup run going but the better you start the season the more likely you collapse at the turn of the year. Look at West Ham that is gravity for you. Personally I always hope we stay clear of the relegation scrap, win our home games and take the odd scalp of a bigger club and maybe have the odd cup run - that is enough for me and we can't hope to do any better. So I'm not really interested in a new owner. The only upside I could see is potential investment in expanding the stadium which in the long term increases the sustainable revenue and appeal of the club. Downside could be debt, chaos and a fall back to mid table championship team. Peace has proved he can bring success and stability. The majority of chairman don't succeed, I think we take Peace's extraordinary success for granted much of the time.

Yes, that is all we can hope for in the present regime, and i think that is asking a bit too much, struggling aganist relegation every year is more like we can expect.
Are you happy with that? Is that OK as long as Jeremy balances the books, and keeps himself a rich man?

Yes i can remember the bad days, the Wokings, the fall from grace into division three for the first time in our glorious history. Some of you started supporting the Baggies during this awful time, and you deserve to be commended for that.
But for the older Baggies, i am surprised. The 1990's were the only decade in our history that this great club didn't grace the top flight.
We have attendance records and goalscoring records to rival any club in the country.
In the late sixties we got to 4 Cup finals in 5 years and the other year we reached the semis and the quarters of the CWC.
The Vile and the Dingles always dream of being big clubs again. Is it so wrong for an old Baggie to dream the same dreams?

FFS be proud of who we are, what we are, and stop grovelling to a self servant like Peace.

At the end of the day, we all want what is best for our club.

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« Reply #521 on: June 16, 2015, 12:18:27 AM »
JP Said the interest, unless confirmed should be concluded by the beginning of June.
We have nothing definite. so FORGET IT.

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« Reply #522 on: June 16, 2015, 08:05:47 AM »
Are we a new football club that's only 20 years old, we've a great history with major honours to our name and played top flight football for the majority of our existence it didn't all begin with the premier league and Jeremy Peace, I agree he's done a good job and made himself a very wealthy man in achieving this but come on to be happy with just survival and decent cup runs shouldn't be our only goal, the leagues a competition and that means your in it try and win it even if its not realistically possible.
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« Reply #523 on: June 16, 2015, 08:34:11 AM »
Are we a new football club that's only 20 years old, we've a great history with major honours to our name and played top flight football for the majority of our existence it didn't all begin with the premier league and Jeremy Peace, I agree he's done a good job and made himself a very wealthy man in achieving this but come on to be happy with just survival and decent cup runs shouldn't be our only goal, the leagues a competition and that means your in it try and win it even if its not realistically possible.
you buy a lottery ticket and hope to get the jackpot not three winning balls.

               
How can you tell we are not in it to win it ? League table doesn't lie everyone deserves there position after 38 games. Main thing for me now is that we can get a result against anyone on our day I would have never said that 5 years ago.

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« Reply #524 on: June 16, 2015, 08:48:01 AM »
On the other hand,you get clubs like Palace, Southampton, Swansea, Stoke and now even little Bournemouth. All the se clubs put together haven't won anything like what we have, had crowds like we did in the past, or had such a great history as a top flight club.
These clubs would now be favourite to sign any player before us. Why? Because they have rich owners.
Jeremy may be a nice gut, and it's loveley that you all think well of him.
But every passing season,clubs like Palace, ( we thought that was a great 0-2 win away didn't we), and Swansea and Stoke are pulling away from us. While we splash about hoping there are three more teams who will be worse than us.
Don't forget under Peace, the Hawthorns has become a small ground, legends of the club and their families have been snubbed. He even chared fans to see the Championship trophy, i never got to see it.
I can't think of another club that would win something and then refuse to parade it and charge their fans instead.

A step into the unknown can be terrifying, and i would be lying if i said it wouldn't make me nervous. But more seasons of struggle until the chairmans luck finally runs out and he leaves anyway, is not something i relish.

I think if he had put a realistic price on the club we would have been sold by now, but Mr Peace likes to squeeze out every last penny.

£150m for Villa Park or the Hawthorns at the same price. Not rocket science is it?