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Title: 25 Sept 2017 Arsenal 2 Albion 0
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 16, 2017, 06:09:58 PM
Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion

Monday 25th September 2017 20.00pm

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Title: In Game Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 16, 2017, 06:10:55 PM
Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion

Monday 25th September 2017 20.00pm

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Title: Pre Match Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 16, 2017, 06:11:50 PM
Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion

Monday 25th September 2017 20.00pm

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Title: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 16, 2017, 06:15:17 PM
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Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 17, 2017, 07:22:27 PM
I'm genuinely concerned for this one. We don't have any threat up front really, and that display was awful against West Ham, we need a confidence boosting win in the cup midweek to get us on our way
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 17, 2017, 09:15:27 PM
Hopefully ones last game
Title: Predictions
Post by: Legend on September 17, 2017, 09:22:22 PM
Have a good feeling about this one.

Arsenal 0 Albion 1

FGS Rondon
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 18, 2017, 05:21:35 PM
A thumping...........Arsenal 4 albion 0  :( :(
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 18, 2017, 05:27:04 PM
Arsenal 3-0 West Brom

Lacazette x2, Ozil

Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on September 19, 2017, 05:28:53 AM
Looking forward to this, 1-1. Evans in stoppage time
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 19, 2017, 08:32:28 AM
0-1 Brunt to put it in the net.
20% possession for us.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: TheBrom on September 19, 2017, 08:58:01 AM
1-1 Dawson + Giroud
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 20, 2017, 08:09:34 AM
I'm genuinely concerned for this one. We don't have any threat up front really, and that display was awful against West Ham, we need a confidence boosting win in the cup midweek to get us on our way

West Ham were just as bad if not worse than we were, only thing they had over us was a striker in Carroll that could use his physical presence to cause our defenders issues and even then they created sod all. It was two sides desperate not to lose and cancelled each other out. Arsenal will be completely different, they'll take the game to us and if we can somehow keep them out they will allow us more space to play in on the break. Always a tough order to get anything from the top clubs like Arsenal but the performance against West Ham will have no bearing on this game.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on September 21, 2017, 07:39:19 AM
Pretty sure we will score.. unfortunately Arsenal will score more...3-1..Arsenal..
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 21, 2017, 07:47:17 PM
West Ham were just as bad if not worse than we were, only thing they had over us was a striker in Carroll that could use his physical presence to cause our defenders issues and even then they created sod all. It was two sides desperate not to lose and cancelled each other out. Arsenal will be completely different, they'll take the game to us and if we can somehow keep them out they will allow us more space to play in on the break. Always a tough order to get anything from the top clubs like Arsenal but the performance against West Ham will have no bearing on this game.
Ya think? West ham were much better than us for large parts of that second half, i thought it was a when not if they were going to score if I'm being honest. Agree with your summary of arsenal though, they will take the game to us but we are due a result there too….
Title: Match Officials
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 21, 2017, 08:23:22 PM
Referee: Robert Madley
Assistant Referee: Lee Betts
Assistant Referee: Marc Perry
Fourth Official: Stuart Attwell
Title: Team
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 21, 2017, 08:34:52 PM
    if we play 5 at the back .                                                 

                                                 Foster

                            Dawson           Evans           Hegazi
    Nyom                                                                              Gibbs

                                     Barry           Krychowiak     
     Phillips                                                                        McClean                             

                                                Rodriguez

    Subs Myhill, McAuley, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison, Rondon, Robson Kanu

 or with 4 at the back                                   
                                                      Foster

                Nyom              Dawson                 Evans               Gibbs

                                              Barry    Krychowiak        Yacob
                 Phillips                                                                     McClean

                                                        Rodriguez

Subs Myhill, McAuley, Hegazi, Brunt, Morrison, Rondon, Robson-Kanu
Title: Re: Team
Post by: vrabbit on September 21, 2017, 08:43:53 PM
    if we play 5 at the back .                                                 

                                                 Foster

                            Dawson           Evans           Hegazi
    Nyom                                                                              Gibbs

                                     Barry           Krychowiak     
     Phillips                                                                        McClean                             

                                                Rodriguez

    Subs Myhill, McAuley, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison, Rondon, Robson Kanu

 or with 4 at the back                                   
                                                      Foster

                Nyom              Dawson                 Evans               Gibbs

                                              Barry    Krychowiak        Yacob
                 Phillips                                                                     McClean

                                                        Rodriguez

Subs Myhill, McAuley, Hegazi, Brunt, Morrison, Rondon, Robson-Kanu

slight change to the 4 at the back:

                                                      Foster

                Nyom              Dawson                 Evans               Gibbs

                                                      Yacob

                                            Barry            Krychowiak
                 Phillips                                                                     Rodriguez

                                                      Rondon

________________

I'd also be ok with Brunt on the left and Rodriguez up front. McClean makes a better impact off the bench for me.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 21, 2017, 09:06:26 PM
Foster


Nyom
McAuley
Evans
Gibbs


Yacob
Barry


Phillips
Krychowiak
Brunt


Rondon


Subs. Myhill Dawson Hegazi McClean Morrison Chadli Rodriguez
Title: Re: Team
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 21, 2017, 09:10:11 PM
Foster


Nyom
McAuley
Evans
Gibbs


Yacob
Barry


Phillips
Krychowiak
Brunt


Rondon


Subs. Myhill Dawson Hegazi McClean Morrison Chadli Rodriguez
Dawson for Gmac and I'd go with this
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 22, 2017, 11:19:19 AM
Block 20&21 available 346 seats left.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 22, 2017, 04:05:23 PM
2-0 to Arsenal another negative dull performance
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: HamsteadHarry on September 22, 2017, 07:15:25 PM
2-0
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 23, 2017, 11:42:04 AM
Not sure what's happened with me but after watching the Albion for 45 years I have no more enthusiasm for football in general. The second half you saw on wed, I couldn't be bothered by the way. It was just a smoke screen. It's back to normal against Arsenal then Watford etc etc etc
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 23, 2017, 11:56:26 AM
I agree with Devon.
I want the Baggies to win but feel the life of the team has been sucked out of it.
I have actually turned down free tickets to go and watch them.
Wednesday night showed up all those empty seats again.
Do they also feel let down and are now thinking about not going in the future?
How can a team go on without any atmosphere in the ground and playing to empty terraces?
repeat though...I want the Baggies to win.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Albionic on September 23, 2017, 12:02:06 PM
backside 3 wba 1
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on September 23, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
Moan, whinge, fart, repeat.

Must be a Saturday without a game  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Legend on September 23, 2017, 12:57:16 PM
Moan moan bloody moan.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 23, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Moan moan bloody moan.
We have every right to bloody moan I pay my money and praise when it's due and I will bloody well moan when it's not.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Legend on September 23, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
We have every right to bloody moan I pay my money and praise when it's due and I will bloody well moan when it's not.

Sunderland fans have a right to moan with what they are going through. We are currently 10th in the Premier League. These are the good times.

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 23, 2017, 05:17:10 PM
Sunderland fans have a right to moan with what they are going through. We are currently 10th in the Premier League. These are the good times.
Really? I don't know how old you are but trust me these ain't the good time's!!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WoysWunderful on September 23, 2017, 05:30:35 PM
Really? I don't know how old you are but trust me these ain't the good time's!!

 ::) ::) ::)

The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be  able to get a bit of pleasure from it.


anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 23, 2017, 05:44:35 PM
::) ::) ::)

The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be  able to get a bit of pleasure from it.


anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
I know we have moved on but I have seen the good time's, these ain't and here lies the problem I along with a lot of others am not enjoying the rubbish football Pulis insists on
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on September 23, 2017, 05:50:13 PM
The football might be boring but I am up for it as ever! Drinking near the ground or central London?
Title: Re: Team
Post by: brummyroader on September 23, 2017, 06:19:24 PM
Foster

Dawson
Hegazi
Evans
Gibbs

Barry

Phillips
Greg
Brunt
McLean

Rondon

We know how deep our centre mids will play, would Brunt in there on the basis he can spray a 60 yard ball for a counter attack.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: geoff on September 23, 2017, 06:39:13 PM
More of this blood, please. away would be even sweeter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKvpVWmZz2Q  :P :-*
Title: Re: Team
Post by: geoff on September 23, 2017, 06:44:23 PM
slight change to the 4 at the back:

                                                      Foster

                Nyom              Dawson                 Evans               Gibbs

                                                      Yacob

                                            Barry            Krychowiak
                 Phillips                                                                     Rodriguez

                                                      Rondon

________________

I'd also be ok with Brunt on the left and Rodriguez up front. McClean makes a better impact off the bench for me.

Like your first 11 very much vrabbit  ;)
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: geoff on September 23, 2017, 06:45:54 PM
Arsenal 0-1 West Brom  ;)
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: dan7heman on September 23, 2017, 08:04:16 PM
Desmond - Greg n Phillips for us
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: smosher34 on September 23, 2017, 11:51:07 PM
Nil nil all day long  >:(

Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on September 24, 2017, 02:35:14 AM
1-1   playing 8 defenders
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: tuamigos on September 24, 2017, 09:36:42 AM
Tone will go down there with a point and hoping to come back with a point.
I'd imagine we'll have 8/9 defensive players on the pitch.
Expect it to open up towards the end of the game but too late for us.

Arsenal 2 Us 0
Title: Re: Team
Post by: mulliganstired on September 24, 2017, 10:03:59 AM
    if we play 5 at the back .                                                 

                                                 Foster

                            Dawson           Evans           Hegazi
    Nyom                                                                              Gibbs

                                     Barry           Krychowiak     
     Phillips                                                                        McClean                             

                                                Rodriguez

    Subs Myhill, McAuley, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison, Rondon, Robson Kanu

 or with 4 at the back                                   
                                                      Foster

                Nyom              Dawson                 Evans               Gibbs

                                              Barry    Krychowiak        Yacob
                 Phillips                                                                     McClean

                                                        Rodriguez

Subs Myhill, McAuley, Hegazi, Brunt, Morrison, Rondon, Robson-Kanu
If it's five at the back he might prefer Hegazi or MacCauley in the middle due to their lack of pace if the wing backs get too far upfield, otherwise I would like to see 5 at the back for a few games - easy to bring off a CH for a more attacking minded player if needed.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: baggiebof on September 24, 2017, 12:16:02 PM
Foster

Nyom
Dawson
Evans
Gibbs

Phillips
Krychowiak
Barry
McLean

Robson-Kanu
Rondon

Bar Barry, I've tried to get as many of our athletic players in the side as possible which I think is important away at Arsenal. I'd have HRK sitting on Xhaka when we get men behind the ball. I think Ramsey vacates the midfield too much so I'd hope McLean, Phillips and Krychowiak could drive woth the ball through that area when we get hold of it.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Jimmy on September 24, 2017, 12:42:49 PM
More of this blood, please. away would be even sweeter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKvpVWmZz2Q  :P :-*

yes blud
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on September 24, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
Innit......
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 24, 2017, 01:55:05 PM
Fam
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: cewba on September 24, 2017, 03:07:19 PM
::) ::) ::)

The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be  able to get a bit of pleasure from it.


anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
i have been going up since 1969 and yes football has changed but to say get over it and just enjoy it  shows how little we now want from the game , maybe im a dinosaur but for god sake can i not just enjoy a game for once and not just be seen as a negative fan who will be happy with a bore draw.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: rajesh-wba on September 24, 2017, 04:20:21 PM
Arsenal 3 - Albion 0

Lacazette x2, Ramsey
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 25, 2017, 12:02:45 AM
Now this is one of those matches where it makes sense to restrict the opposition as much as possible.

We'll play 9 defensively minded players and lose

2-1
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Mikkyk on September 25, 2017, 12:11:06 AM
3-0. My first time at the Emirates so hoping for a goal at least but can't see it happening
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: skyclad99 on September 25, 2017, 09:34:27 AM
Got this idea we are going to get something out of this. Arsenal are not the team they were a couple of years ago and are not the best defensively. I anticipate he will park the bus and look to nick it. I would be happy with a point and a good shift, but I just have this idea it will go in our favour through a set piece.

0-1 Evans

For me if we go toe to toe with this lot we could get battered, so I do favour the defensive approach.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: seteefeet on September 25, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
3-0. We'll defend until they score, then have no come back.
Not one I would expect to win any way though, just hope we give them a game and don't just surrender.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2017, 10:02:26 AM
Think this could be closer then people think

I expect to lose here but im hoping for a draw so

2-2

FGS Barry on his record breaking appearances game
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2017, 10:04:12 AM
I agree with Devon.
I want the Baggies to win but feel the life of the team has been sucked out of it.
I have actually turned down free tickets to go and watch them.
Wednesday night showed up all those empty seats again.
Do they also feel let down and are now thinking about not going in the future?
How can a team go on without any atmosphere in the ground and playing to empty terraces?
repeat though...I want the Baggies to win.

It wouldnt have been full anyway, none of these Carabao cup games are

Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Aussie Baggie on September 25, 2017, 10:48:18 AM
Really can't see us scoring here especially if we set up defensively.

And I can't see Arsenal not scoring so I'm hoping for a 1-1 or 2-2 score line.

Realistically though I think it's Arsenal's game to lose.

2-1 or 3-1 Arsenal is the most likely result.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: miggybaggy on September 25, 2017, 11:37:03 AM
Fully expecting a very boring standard 2-0 win for Arsenal....but the lads will have worked arrd. Yawn.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: liverbaggie on September 25, 2017, 11:43:12 AM
I think that Arsenal are terrified to lose,therefore,I think we can take advantage of this and I think we will win 0-1
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Albion_Sweden on September 25, 2017, 02:47:53 PM
My son is over from Sweden for this game, any idea where he can meet up for a pre match drink with some Albion supporters?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kirk on September 25, 2017, 06:30:37 PM
::) ::) ::)

The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be  able to get a bit of pleasure from it.

Really? It may be the best league position but trust me, it's a long way away from the good times of Megson, 3rd div under ossie and the championship under Mowbray. West Ham I was bored rigid wondering why bother

anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 25, 2017, 07:02:58 PM
Playing a back 5? And 3 defensive midfielders?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: skyclad99 on September 25, 2017, 07:03:53 PM
For those who are interested Sky are offering 33/1 for a 1-0 win for the Albion - price boost
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 07:05:36 PM
Playing a back 5?

"swiveling four" again

Nyom/Dawson/Hegazi/Evans/ Gibbs

Barry/Livermore/Krychowiak

Rodriguez/HRK

not very exciting I must say.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Jordie1471 on September 25, 2017, 07:08:44 PM
Just saw the lineup on twitter. Embarrasing even by our low standards. Netflix for me tonight
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2017, 07:13:30 PM
Alright setting up like that but what about when we have the ball ? No out ball really.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 25, 2017, 07:13:47 PM
Just saw the lineup on twitter. Embarrasing even by our low standards. Netflix for me tonight

Don't see the logic to that line up either.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on September 25, 2017, 07:19:13 PM
What is he doing with that lineup?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 07:19:35 PM
Alright setting up like that but what about when we have the ball ? No out ball really.

0 creativity on the pitch. Trusting Nyom/Gibbs to put on amazing shifts up and down the wings. The midfield usually gets skipped with hoof ball anyways.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheBrom on September 25, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
I have faith. Can see us getting something from Arsenal with that line up
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kirk on September 25, 2017, 07:21:58 PM
Saw the line up and now looking to see what is on the other channels.... playing for 0 0 again
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: maximus on September 25, 2017, 07:23:23 PM
I can see it working, Only if Arsenal are not at it, And Gibbs/Nyom have the energy to get up when we actually have the ball, Needs Livermore to contribute and the 2 up top to hold it up and be effective.

It's a crazy lineup to some, But i'm happy with 2 forwards on the pitch at least.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2017, 07:25:49 PM
Alright setting up like that but what about when we have the ball ? No out ball really.
wouldn't worry, we wont have the ball very often.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 25, 2017, 07:28:38 PM
Megson picked that side
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
we've got no width in that line up.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggiebof on September 25, 2017, 07:32:46 PM
Not convinced by the line-up but he has to allow the wing backs and central midfielders to flood forward when we get the ball.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 07:34:41 PM
Rodriguez and HRK need to put a real shift in tonight. I would have played Rondon myself but we'll see how it goes.

No reason why we can't sneak a result.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 07:40:01 PM
Rodriguez and HRK need to put a real shift in tonight. I would have played Rondon myself but we'll see how it goes.

No reason why we can't sneak a result.

they need support, on paper it doesn't seem like they'll get it. I'm expecting 90 minutes of ugly football where we may score on a set piece. With a lineup like this you better not give up a goal.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 07:45:10 PM
We're going to get trashed. 3-5-2 doesnt work for us. Also McClean is the ideal winger for these types of games and Yacob should be playing too.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: marky on September 25, 2017, 07:46:39 PM
COYB 3-5-2?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: chris g on September 25, 2017, 07:47:56 PM
Any streams, anyone?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 07:48:09 PM
We might get a result tonight if everything falls our way, but if we picked that team 50 times we would maybe draw once or twice. Hopefully tonight is one of those

If/As soon as Arsenal score it's game over. Effectively playing 8 at the back and no midfield. I'm glad Rondon isn't playing just so he avoids getting a load of stick on here after the game when he can't beat 5 defenders on his own. Absolute thankless task for HRK and Rodriguez tonight.

Surely we could have sacrificed 1 of our 8 defensive players for Phillips to at least give ourselves the smallest chance of getting something on the breakaway. Everyone knows Arsenal can't defend, are terrible a set pieces and love time on the ball so we drop our best set piece takers, all attacking threat and set up to deliberately allow them as much of the ball as possible.



Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
We might get a result tonight if everything falls our way, but if we picked that team 50 times we would maybe draw once or twice. Hopefully tonight is one of those

If/As soon as Arsenal score it's game over. Effectively playing 8 at the back and no midfield. I'm glad Rondon isn't playing just so he avoids getting a load of stick on here after the game when he can't beat 5 defenders on his won. Absolute thankless task for HRK and Rodriguez tonight.

Surely we could have sacrificed 1 of our 8 defensive players for Phillips to at least give ourselves the smallest chance of getting something on the breakaway. Everyone knows Arsenal can't defend, are terrible a set pieces and love time on the ball so we drop our best set piece takers, all attacking threat and set up to deliberately allow them as much of the ball as possible.

my exact same thoughts
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
We're going to get trashed. 3-5-2 doesnt work for us. Also McClean is the ideal winger for these types of games and Yacob should be playing too.

No chance we will be playing anything like a 3-5-2.

Agree Yacob should be in that team - ahead of Livermore for me.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: alex1 on September 25, 2017, 07:53:10 PM
What are the tactics if Arsenal score first?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: rogerstubbs on September 25, 2017, 07:56:11 PM
If we play as well as we did against Man City,have a bit of luck ,foster has
a great game I think we will win!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 08:01:57 PM
COYB
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 25, 2017, 08:04:44 PM
COYB 3-5-2?

9-1
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:05:26 PM
Free kick to them right on the edge of penalty area
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:06:07 PM
Why did Dawson put his arm out, you knew he'd go down. It was a close effort too
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:09:16 PM
Nearly.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 08:09:39 PM
We got robbed of a penalty!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:09:54 PM
Bloody ref, why play advantage there  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Topman on September 25, 2017, 08:10:05 PM
Utter disgrace
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:10:14 PM
Livermore...Missed !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
ahahahah thats absolutely laughable reffing

100% of the time he gives that is it's on Sanchez in our box.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 25, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
9-1

Final Score?? ;)
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: KYA on September 25, 2017, 08:13:57 PM
Typical ref when playing the likes of Arsenal should be 1-0 up.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:14:09 PM
ahahahah thats absolutely laughable reffing

100% of the time he gives that is it's on Sanchez in our box.

It's going to be a long night..... Guess we feel lucky he didn't book JRod for diving.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:16:29 PM
We're making a game, here.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 08:17:57 PM
A little bit of ambition and Arsenal are there for the taking tonight.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 25, 2017, 08:19:27 PM
COYB you can do this
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 25, 2017, 08:19:39 PM
Was it advantage?? If it was shouldn't Mustafi receive at least a yellow?!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
Ha, no advantage played there. Nice one ref
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
Well done ref, you got them their goal you utter knob
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:21:06 PM
goal to them
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on September 25, 2017, 08:21:32 PM
WTF!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
Game over
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 08:21:56 PM
Evans gave away a bad free kick for a goal.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:23:09 PM
We are up against Arsenal and the ref.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: AlbionBest on September 25, 2017, 08:24:47 PM
Ref gifts them the lead just as he wanted.
Appalling from Madeley - what's the point when you have to play the ref as well as a very talented offensive team ?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 08:25:18 PM
Maybe Foster could have done a bit better on the free kick to take it out for a corner.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 25, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
Ref is a joke.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:26:19 PM
Time to take Livermore off.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Pie on September 25, 2017, 08:27:33 PM
this ref is some sort of sick joke.

Not just his decisions but the way he handles himself and struts about just annoys me!!

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:28:10 PM
Maybe Foster could have done a bit better on the free kick to take it out for a corner.

I thought he did well to get to it at all! I might need another look at HT
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 08:28:49 PM
back-to-back games with a back line of 5 and 3 defensive midfielders and we couldn't keep a clean sheet past 20 minutes in either game
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
I thought he did well to get to it at all! I might need another look at HT

The initial save was good just he knock the ball back in the worst possible spot. An elite keeper probably is able to knock it over the bar but that is a high standard to hold Ben at.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 08:31:40 PM
Poor formation and poor team selection but in fairness we never stood a chance with this ref tonight regardless.

Absolutely nobody will ever convince me that if that challenge was in the other box he doesn't give the penalty.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 08:33:12 PM
Dawson just let the ball go out of bounds when it resulted in a throw-in for Arsenal. AWFUL awareness
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 25, 2017, 08:34:49 PM
Livermore, what does he add?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 08:35:31 PM
Poor formation and poor team selection but in fairness we never stood a chance with this ref tonight regardless.

Absolutely nobody will ever convince me that if that challenge was in the other box he doesn't give the penalty.

I don't think we have played too bad at all
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:38:17 PM
Are we allowed to substitute the ref at half time?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 08:39:08 PM
Almost had a goal :/
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:39:25 PM
Off their line.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 08:39:49 PM
Has to score
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:40:03 PM
Powerful run by Greg!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2017, 08:41:06 PM
2 great chances so far, you just cannot miss these sort of chances and expect to get anything.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:42:50 PM
Nearly for us again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
I don't think I can see people complaining about the performance tonight!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
2 great chances so far, you just cannot miss these sort of chances and expect to get anything.

Make that 3
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 08:45:17 PM
I don't think I can see people complaining about the performance tonight!

This is one of the worst Arsenal team in years. We would play even better if we didnt play 3-5-2
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
Kolasinac dives full length and grabs the ball with his hands to stop an attack and doesn't get booked?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 08:46:23 PM
Rodriguez and Robson-Kanu looking good, Rodriguez looks a lot happier to tonight!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2017, 08:47:55 PM
Make that 3

No 4
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 08:49:12 PM
People having a pop at Dawson and Livermore again, must be watching a different game to me!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Astle1968 on September 25, 2017, 08:49:18 PM
A little bit of ambition and Arsenal are there for the taking tonight.

Still stand by this.

Rondon for HRK, Phillips for Livermore

                 Foster
     Dawson Hegazi Evans
Nyom                           Gibbs

          Phillips      Rodriguez
                 Rondon
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Pie on September 25, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
unlucky lads, we really shouldn't be losing.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Singhwba on September 25, 2017, 08:49:50 PM
Think we can see why pulis has adopted these tactics. But arsenal are poor at the back. If it wasnt for the ref we wouldve had a goal.
Come on baggies we can attack them 2nd half.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 25, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
The team we sent to Brighton was so depressing and counter-productive, but this is Pulis at his absolute best.  He's got the tactics spot on and we should probably be winning.  Wish we could keep him for these games and get someone more fun for the rubbish teams.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2017, 08:50:27 PM
Rodriguez and Robson-Kanu looking good, Rodriguez looks a lot happier to tonight!

If big Ron had missed his 3 chances he would be getting pelted now.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boingboing1989 on September 25, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
Should be 4 goals up, missed some absolute sitters. Playing well if not for the ref we would be winning this.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
THE POLE making things happen tonight. I believe Jay would had gotten the PK if he didn't get up and continue the play (shot on target) but the ref has definitely been suspect at best. I've been an Evans advocate but what a poor game he's had, you can't give up that kind of foul near the box. Just can't put out this lineup and have the back line make poor decisions time and time again. Otherwise it's been a good effort.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 08:52:13 PM
Still stand by this.

Rondon for HRK, Phillips for Livermore

                 Foster
     Dawson Hegazi Evans
Nyom                           Gibbs

          Phillips      Rodriguez
                 Rondon
why! It's looking OK with a bit of luck and a decent referee we could be 3 or 4-1 up.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Albionic on September 25, 2017, 08:52:22 PM
Struggling to see how we are losing this! JAke is off the game otherwise all doing well, have got to take the chances though.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
If big Ron had missed his 3 chances he would be getting pelted now.
if you are watching he hasn't missed! And he is prepared to have a go and is always in the right position
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggiebof on September 25, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
Playing well, small tweak for me would be to swap Krychowiak and Livermore over; that gives Krychowiak more licence to get forward and has Jake slightly deeper, more similar to his role for England.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
Livermore and Evans need to buck their ideas up.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 08:57:07 PM
Playing really well, just haven't had the luck so far. I feel if Rondon was on the pitch we'd have got at least a goal.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dan7heman on September 25, 2017, 08:57:22 PM
Playing really well, just need a goal. Greg is mustard
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: keithowba86 on September 25, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
2 up front creates us chances... who knew? (Oh thats right i said it in a previous after match debate weeks ago) now give rondon his DESERVED chance of playing in a 2 and watch the goals flow!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 08:58:08 PM
Martin Keown

Former Arsenal defender on BBC Radio 5 live

It was definitely a penalty and the free-kick for Arsenal's goal was doubtful.

The amount of chances Rodriguez has had is remarkable.

Arsenal have switched off at the back. They go in 1-0 but very fortunte
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
Playing well, small tweak for me would be to swap Krychowiak and Livermore over; that gives Krychowiak more licence to get forward and has Jake slightly deeper, more similar to his role for England.

Yes, that run and cross showed that Greg has the drive to get forward and the vision. I'm with you, let see him try and boss it.

How has Sanchez not been booked for dissent?!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2017, 08:59:19 PM
Alan Smith it's official your a dick
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: AlbionBest on September 25, 2017, 08:59:43 PM
Played well first half but you feel the damage has already been done by the cheat in black and the sloppy goal.
JRod just not clinical enough and too honest with the penalty.
However, best chance missed by Livermore!
Coyb
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Albionic on September 25, 2017, 09:00:43 PM
Ok Tone another 45mins on front foot please
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:01:24 PM
Yes, that run and cross showed that Greg has the drive to get forward and the vision. I'm with you, let see him try and boss it.

How has Sanchez not been booked for dissent?!
According to the BBC site, he has.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:02:27 PM
According to the BBC site, he has.

That's good, hopefully he'll get another early doors then!

Gibbs is having a good game too, I've love to see his reaction if he scores  :P
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: adamw1109 on September 25, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
People having a pop at Dawson and Livermore again, must be watching a different game to me!

Livermore missed a pretty much open goal, if that was rondon he would be getting some stick.

Dawson is pants and purposely left the ball to go out for an arsenal throw in... very poor awareness.

We can't beat the best teams in the league with that kind of quality so what on earth do you exepct?!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
Stone well penalty how the ref hasn't given that is beyond s joke Evans hasn't touch the bloke for free kick
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: KYA on September 25, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
Sounds like we have been a bit unlucky so i would say Pulis got his tactics right for this game.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:03:26 PM
Cheeky b'stards making us wait while they mince around in the tunnel  :(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:07:09 PM
Evans' passing is suspect again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:13:03 PM
Too many hoofs again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on September 25, 2017, 09:13:22 PM
Brilliant first half performance by Albion, but Arsenal are beginning to turn the screw
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on September 25, 2017, 09:15:57 PM
Arsenal are getting all the 50/50 refereeing decisions. Ref is a real homer
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
Jrod & karmu off Phillips & rondon on
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 25, 2017, 09:17:07 PM
Phillips could do some damage in this game
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2017, 09:19:51 PM
Why isn’t Phillips playing??
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:20:00 PM
Time to roll the dice Tone, we need something else up front
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:21:03 PM
Morrison coming on.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Jimmy for Jake, well it's a change I guess just not the one most of us would go for!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:21:54 PM
Rondon for HRK
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
Now Rondon
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
Hegazi has played well tonight
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 09:23:25 PM
McClean should come on next. Phillips hasnt offered much except for his purple patch last season.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:24:55 PM
And there's a pen to them, FFS  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
Useless bugger
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:25:22 PM
No penalty...shoulder to shoulder.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:25:49 PM
2-0, disgusting reffing
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:26:02 PM
D and blast
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:26:53 PM
We had the beating of Arsenal but not the ref.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 25, 2017, 09:27:10 PM
brainless defending, excellent pen. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: barnestormer on September 25, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
That is no penalty,the refs a homie
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2017, 09:28:33 PM
Shocking decisions. Worst decision was selecting Livermore though, who is just awful. If this is him after a rest I dread to think what's in store for the rest of the season
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 25, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
we should have had one first half, but that is a clear pen.  nyom barged right into him, calling it a fair shoulder-to-shoulder is being very generous. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on September 25, 2017, 09:29:42 PM
Definite penalty after a stupid foul by Nyom
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2017, 09:29:57 PM
my 2 month old grandaughter could pass better than dawson.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 09:30:36 PM
Definite penalty no need to make the challenge, why didn't we continue the same after the break!?  Just can't help himself can he useless and clueless
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DivinePast on September 25, 2017, 09:31:55 PM
Definite penalty no need to make the challenge, why didn't we continue the same after the break!?  Just can't help himself can he useless and clueless

Arsenal have also played much better in the 2nd half. We tried pressing them but they are doing a better job of not giving the ball away
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:32:38 PM
Alan Smiths commentating is utter drivel
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:32:45 PM
About time ! We now have Phillips on.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 09:33:51 PM
Arsenal have gone up a gear in the second half, good sides can do that. The ref cost us in the first half aswell as poor finishing. A lot of positives though.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2017, 09:35:50 PM
Need a goal now Ron
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: AlbionBest on September 25, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
Shame we haven't turned up second half and seem to be giving the usual too much respect at the Library.
Lack of goals a big worry so far this season now. You
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:37:28 PM
Would have preferred HRK left on.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
One or 2 out there looking tired now.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 09:38:21 PM
Shame we haven't turned up second half and seem to be giving the usual too much respect at the Library.
Lack of goals a big worry so far this season now. You

No surprise really. We signed a bunch of players we didnt need (Burke, Polish guy and Gibbs) and we didnt sign a proper striker.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 25, 2017, 09:40:08 PM
No surprise really. We signed a bunch of players we didnt need (Burke, Polish guy and Gibbs) and we didnt sign a proper striker.

I dunno, I think the latter two really improve our starting XI and the former seems a decent prospect.  Wouldn't have minded a top striker, but lack of goals probably as much to do with the system than the personnel imo!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on September 25, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
Perfectly defending this 2-0 loss
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kirk on September 25, 2017, 09:41:08 PM
1st half Barry was on the end of the same type of challenge the ref gave nothing. Shocking truly shocking from the ref bet very little gets said. Played well tonight.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 25, 2017, 09:41:30 PM
Just have that feeling about this season, even at this stage, that we're going to have too many hard luck stories :(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
I dunno, I think the latter two really improve our starting XI and the former seems a decent prospect.  Wouldn't have minded a top striker, but lack of goals probably as much to do with the system than the personnel imo!

We really needed Gibbs, he's shown tonight what a left back with an engine can give us.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maximus on September 25, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
Mentally they are fatigued and just outclassed, Not alot they can do when the ref helps them first half, And Nyom costs us second half.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:42:52 PM
We haven't got anyone with an eye for goal. We need a good striker, badly.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Aztech on September 25, 2017, 09:43:03 PM
Just have that feeling about this season, even at this stage, that we're going to have too many hard luck stories :(

Nothing to do with luck!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:44:18 PM
Passing needs to addressed.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: SirTonyPulis on September 25, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
We really needed Gibbs, he's shown tonight what a left back with an engine can give us.

Gibbs hasnt been better than Brunt and by playing Gibbs our biggest goal threat dissappeared.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:46:06 PM
Must be shattered...Back to the hoof !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:48:19 PM
Fozzie stopped number 3
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 09:48:26 PM
it's absolutely embarrassing to be down 0-2 against ANYONE and seeing your GK have no sense or urgency whatsoever to get the ball moving.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 25, 2017, 09:49:22 PM
If we lose to watford on saturday, i can see a relegation battle this season. And aztech, yes it is, we should've had a penalty first half, could've changed the dynamic of the game.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
We haven't created many chances 2nd half
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:50:14 PM
Rondon looks fed up
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Aztech on September 25, 2017, 09:52:02 PM
If we lose to watford on saturday, i can see a relegation battle this season. And aztech, yes it is, we should've had a penalty first half, could've changed the dynamic of the game.

I very much doubt it
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adamstv on September 25, 2017, 09:54:55 PM
Second half performance was really poor. We just let arsenal dominate us in midfield. Midfield was very poor. Gave nothing to the attackers to chase.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mr multivac on September 25, 2017, 09:55:23 PM
Didn't turn up second half probably realised they were playing against 12 men and one of them was wearing a black shirt
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 09:56:03 PM
If the ref does his job properly in the first half we get at least a draw. Oh well. Good effort from the players.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2017, 09:57:44 PM
had chances 1st half, second half we was well off the pace. passing very sloppy especially from Dawson, thought barry was quiet and we sat deeper after the subs were made. we need to turn up for 90 mins .
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on September 25, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
Thought we should have got something from that. Ref couldn't have been more biased. Good effort and we looked decent, certainly have them a game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 25, 2017, 10:01:27 PM
I'm not the biggest fan of Pulis, and I don't like the way he sets us up against poorer or similar opposition, but I think he got it spot on tonight.

Don't really like to talk about bad luck, but I think it was just one of those nights.  Kept them quiet in the first half, managed to create a few good chances, and we definitely should have had a pen.  We were worse in the second half, but Arsenal played a lot better, and it was just a moment of brainless defending from Nyom for their 2nd.

Our season won't be defined by games like tonight, so I'm not too bothered, but if we see a midfield 3 of Livermore, Barry and Krychowiak against Watford I'll start to worry.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 25, 2017, 10:01:41 PM
Referee was biased, if their penalty was ok then so should ours. Sanchez is a cheating diver.
Played well first half and then knew we could never win with the decisions going against us.



Note for January transfer we still need an attacking midfielder to replace Morrison, need better than Nyon and a definitley a goal getter ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 25, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
2 ok halves in our last two games count for nothing if Watford turn us over Saturday. God I am bored .
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: seteefeet on September 25, 2017, 10:03:14 PM
Thought we should have got something from that. Ref couldn't have been more biased. Good effort and we looked decent, certainly have them a game.
When will it stop though? Refs cheat every week, unashamedly biased but nothing done. Premier League is corrupt full stop. If a ref wants to keep the work coming he has to keep the top 6 sweet. Rotten to the core!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Brombo97 on September 25, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Midfield went home at half time!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 25, 2017, 10:07:14 PM
I'd also say my biggest concern is that it's one thing to chop and change the system/players in a horses-for-courses way IN THEORY depending on opposition, but it feels like the negative style of football is too ingrained in the lads.

I can totally get behind going to the Emirates with a back 5 and 3 DMs and trying to steal a result (which we could have done if the game had gone our way a bit more), but when we played a team/system most of us were pretty happy with or even calling out for against West Ham we still produced turgid rubbish. 

My one hope is that this is partly a question of the new players gelling together etc, and I'd like to think a season of us playing a lineup similar to this against the top four or five sides, and gibbs-evans-CB-nyom, barry-krychowiak, and four attacking players will serve us well.  Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: maximus on September 25, 2017, 10:07:21 PM
Frustrating thing is, It was Evans diving in lacking discipline for the first goal, Then Nyom costing us with a blatant lack of discipline for the penalty. We can blame the ref and rightly so, But nothing worse than own players costing you the goals because of rash decisions.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 25, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
Played well, never going to be able to play the ball on the deck against Arsenal, but we need to keep that pressing and physical play and pass on the floor.

Win against Watford now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: seteefeet on September 25, 2017, 10:14:44 PM
Frustrating thing is, It was Evans diving in lacking discipline for the first goal, Then Nyom costing us with a blatant lack of discipline for the penalty. We can blame the ref and rightly so, But nothing worse than own players costing you the goals because of rash decisions.
Spot on re Evans but the Nyom pen would probably be given 3 times out of 10. The Jrod pen is 10 out of 10 unless the ref makes his mind up prior to kickoff that he's giving us nothing. That's corruption plain and simple.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
If we had gone in 1-1 (which we deserved) at half time , it would have given the team that needed pick-me-up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Nocky on September 25, 2017, 10:22:27 PM
Really good first half. Should have taken some of our chances though regardless of the blatant penalty that wasn't given. Thought Livermore was awful and capped it all off with a shocking loss after JRod had hit the post. Needs to be replaced against Watford with a more forward thinking player.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
As I said during the match...Evans and Livermore needed to be taken off (and this was early in the match).
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 25, 2017, 10:37:08 PM
Shocking decision on our penalty not given. Was the referee reviewer on sky suggesting advantage was played. Never any advantage signal and at the very least should have been a yellow card for disrupting a clear goal scoring chance, perhaps a red. Which may have made the ref chicken out completely.
In fairness Arsenal did have two clearer penalty shouts than the super soft one they got.
Actually surprised how many chances we created first half. Thought played well but couldn't get going after the break.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
Watching from a bar in Turkey I am nowhere near as upbeat as some on here about that 1st half. With this squad TP cannot justify playing Dawson Livermore and Kanu as starting Premier League players when we have better on the bench. 3 5 2 doesn't suit us either because it robs us of Brunt and Phillips our most dangerous assist makers. And while the referee was extremely poor there is no way to defend the chances missed by Rodriguez.


Going forward we need to revert to 451. Get Brunt and Phillips back in the team. Give Rondon a run of games. Get Chadli fit and playing. Use McClean and Burke from the bench against tired legs.


I'm a Pulis fan but he's hamstringing us with his team selection.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Andio on September 25, 2017, 11:31:38 PM
Watched it in the bar on holiday in Wales.

Spirited first half performance but second half we were absent.

To all those complaining at the ref (I am a ref myself) I can see where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is we are to honest. If Jrod stays down then I am pretty certain the ref gives the penalty there and then. The problem is when you have played the advantage its very hard to go back and give the penalty.

Yes I know some will argue whats better than a free shot at goal from 12 yards, but when Jrod who is playing in the right spirit gets up then he has sadly made the decision for us.

We need to stop being so honest.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 25, 2017, 11:48:48 PM
Watched it in the bar on holiday in Wales.

Spirited first half performance but second half we were absent.

To all those complaining at the ref (I am a ref myself) I can see where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is we are to honest. If Jrod stays down then I am pretty certain the ref gives the penalty there and then. The problem is when you have played the advantage its very hard to go back and give the penalty.

Yes I know some will argue whats better than a free shot at goal from 12 yards, but when Jrod who is playing in the right spirit gets up then he has sadly made the decision for us.

We need to stop being so honest.
I'm not convinced the ref would have given us a penalty even if Jrod had stayed down.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 26, 2017, 12:10:18 AM
Watched it in the bar on holiday in Wales.

Spirited first half performance but second half we were absent.

To all those complaining at the ref (I am a ref myself) I can see where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is we are to honest. If Jrod stays down then I am pretty certain the ref gives the penalty there and then. The problem is when you have played the advantage its very hard to go back and give the penalty.

Yes I know some will argue whats better than a free shot at goal from 12 yards, but when Jrod who is playing in the right spirit gets up then he has sadly made the decision for us.

We need to stop being so honest.

Kind of agree apart from the referee playing advantage. He never made any signal and surely it should have been at least a yellow card, more probably a red, given how far back the covering defender was.

Shirt pull on Sanchez was probably Arsenal's strongest penalty shout.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on September 26, 2017, 12:26:14 AM
When will it stop though? Refs cheat every week, unashamedly biased but nothing done. Premier League is corrupt full stop. If a ref wants to keep the work coming he has to keep the top 6 sweet. Rotten to the core!
totally agree with you mate, madley  needs a good kicking.  Sky sports is another biased network and can't wait for Amazon to outbid them on next tv rites.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on September 26, 2017, 12:44:15 AM
First half we played some really good counter attacking football, ignoring the biased ref we should have scored at least 2 with chance we created. Kanu in my opinion is poor and shouldn't be any where near the first team. Livermore had yet another below average game and missed a sitter. Rodriguez was to honest and should of stayed down and make the tosser make a decision but he also had the goal at his mercy only to nod ball back to defender. Foster has to get game going quickly when we are behind, there were numerous times second half that he slowed game down which baffled me.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Mikkyk on September 26, 2017, 01:18:49 AM
Second half was really hard to watch knowing that we were capable of causing them problems but not causing any at all.

I'm a fan of Morrison but him and the other two subs were so ineffectual.

Also a long way from our penalty shout and theirs. Even from that distance was still very blatant ours was and theirs was a very good shout as well, Nyom has a big tendency of giving (often needless) fouls away in dangerous areas.

As for the starting lineup, said it many times before and I'll say it again, I don't rate Livermore, especially not as an attacking midfielder. Robson-kanu can do a job at times but today he didn't and he also gives far too many fouls away. As for the others, nobody played particularly badly but also nobody outstanding
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on September 26, 2017, 02:18:10 AM
First half we played some really good counter attacking football, ignoring the biased ref we should have scored at least 2 with chance we created. Kanu in my opinion is poor and shouldn't be any where near the first team. Livermore had yet another below average game and missed a sitter. Rodriguez was to honest and should of stayed down and make the tosser make a decision but he also had the goal at his mercy only to nod ball back to defender. Foster has to get game going quickly when we are behind, there were numerous times second half that he slowed game down which baffled me.
Could not agree more, had me scratching my head.. frustrating to say the least.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gerry m on September 26, 2017, 05:02:26 AM
Sanchez dived for the 1st goal, we should of had a penalty. Great performance in the 1st half but we were outclassed in the second. Stupid from Nyom which effectively took the game away from us.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: The Joust on September 26, 2017, 09:18:53 AM
Played well. Looked good with the 'new' shape and high press. Rare under Pulis I've said we lost and played well.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: we8seals on September 26, 2017, 09:30:25 AM
Frustrating thing is, It was Evans diving in lacking discipline for the first goal, Then Nyom costing us with a blatant lack of discipline for the penalty. We can blame the ref and rightly so, But nothing worse than own players costing you the goals because of rash decisions.

I agree entirely. Whilst the penalty we should have had was blatant we really shot ourselves in both feet - two very rash and unnecessary tackles that led to both the Arsenal goals and terrible finishing were what cost us in the end. I have just come to expect we are going to be on the wrong side of the ref against the so called big clubs.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: we8seals on September 26, 2017, 09:39:03 AM
I quite liked the 5 at the back - i think it gets the best from Gibbs who i thought looked good, i do worry about Nyom,s defending as he is prone to diving in unnecessarily and his judgement of the high ball is questionable at best. its how we set up with the other 5 that would be a bigger concern as we will need more pace, more creativity and better finishing than that - although to be fair even how we set up last night caused arsenal a lot of problems in the first half. Quite what happened in the second half i dont know! 

whether we can find pace, creativity and finishing in our current squad is open to question
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 26, 2017, 10:07:30 AM
sanchez dived and was going down and bought a freekick they punished us
we should have had pen and by the law of the game mustafki would have been sent off I guess.
had some good half chances. every week I watch wba and I think a different one of the 3 front men is our best option- theres no real stand out candidate which is a huge problem, we signed well but didn't get the type of striker we needed.

all 3 subs did nothing. Im of the opinion we need to have 2 of the 4: brunt, Morrison, chadli & Phillips in the team. otherwise we are pretty blunt going forward. second half we just couldn't keep the ball.

nyom isn't a wing back and playing that formation has us not use Phillips and brunt im not a fan.

west ham game looks even worse now, big pressure on Watford match
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on September 26, 2017, 10:20:20 AM
looked much better with back 5 and high press...think we should stick with it with Chadli for Livermore when fit
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aussie Baggie on September 26, 2017, 10:35:37 AM
When will it stop though? Refs cheat every week, unashamedly biased but nothing done. Premier League is corrupt full stop. If a ref wantus to keep the work coming he has to keep the top 6 sweet. Rotten to the core!

How did Leicester win the League though?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 26, 2017, 10:49:39 AM
Sadly it is always the case with referee's that they know that if they make a 'wrong' decision against a top six side then they will never hear the end of it and there will be repercussions whereby if they do it against the likes of us, it may be spoken about overnight but soon forgotten. Has to weigh heavily on their minds when officiating a game as sadly the majority of them are the lads at school who could never play football so got into refereeing it instead.
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: Legend on September 26, 2017, 10:51:39 AM
I think Richard Madley would have done a better job than this idiot
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on September 26, 2017, 10:57:19 AM
I would like to think that the assessors will be looking at this very poor display, think I will be disappointed though.

That said the cheating Columbian dwarf did him no favours, what a horrible if gifted little tnuc he is!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: jonasyoulegend on September 26, 2017, 11:10:42 AM
I quite liked the 5 at the back - i think it gets the best from Gibbs who i thought looked good, i do worry about Nyom,s defending as he is prone to diving in unnecessarily and his judgement of the high ball is questionable at best. its how we set up with the other 5 that would be a bigger concern as we will need more pace, more creativity and better finishing than that - although to be fair even how we set up last night caused arsenal a lot of problems in the first half. Quite what happened in the second half i dont know! 

whether we can find pace, creativity and finishing in our current squad is open to question

Sorry mate but I don't know how you can say Gibbs looked good? I can't see a single positive from him apart from pace. He can't defend (certainly not to Pulis standard of defending) and can't attack. I just don't see the point in him.

Also unsure how people have hailed Nyom since he joined... he's done a job on occasions granted, but he's one of the worst footballers I've ever seen, every time he gets the ball/goes in for a tackle I look away.

Anyway, on a positive.... I like the new system it works well and makes for better viewing. Get Dawson on the right for Nyom... Gmac back in centre with Evans and Hegazi... Brunt for Gibbs and we have a good team there imo
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: FLETCH on September 26, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
I would like to think that the assessors will be looking at this very poor display, think I will be disappointed though.

That said the cheating Columbian dwarf did him no favours, what a horrible if gifted little tnuc he is!

if you talking about sanchez hes from chille
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on September 26, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
if you talking about sanchez hes from chille

My bad!, he's still a horrible little ....  anyway!

On subject of being a pedant one L in Chile  ;)
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: dan7heman on September 26, 2017, 11:53:52 AM
Played well. Looked good with the 'new' shape and high press. Rare under Pulis I've said we lost and played well.

Agree, this formation is the way. 5 defenders but 2 up top. Least we get the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on September 26, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
Agree, this formation is the way. 5 defenders but 2 up top. Least we get the best of both worlds.

We are still desperate for someone to provide the link to the forwards,
Options seem to be
a) Chadli - not fit - still -  :-\
b) Brunt - not for me, sorry Jacko
c) Gregorz - worth trying hm there.
d) Mozza, definite no, not cutting it anymore.
e) JRod, I would try it, he is skilled and has a good engine.

Personally,  if Chadli isn't fit give Greg a couple of games there.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: MarkW on September 26, 2017, 01:26:56 PM
Think it's woeth mentioning that the reason this formstion worked is that Arsenal don't tend to cross the ball so if you pack the centre with 3 CBs and 3 DMs you will stifle them in the centre.

Their width comes the full backs which left JRod and HRK 1 on 1 with their centre backs a few times.

Right tactics for the game, not every game
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: royhan on September 26, 2017, 01:37:52 PM
Is Chadli really unfit or is Pulis still giving him the cold shoulder?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiebof on September 26, 2017, 01:43:44 PM
Is Chadli really unfit or is Pulis still giving him the cold shoulder?

He played for the u23s last night, got 45mins in so hopefully getting back to full fitness.
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: SmethDan on September 26, 2017, 01:43:48 PM
Biased, incompetent one eyed twohat: Robert Madley
Assistant Referee: Lee Betts
Assistant Referee: Marc Perry
Fourth Official: Stuart Attwell

Edited for you  ;) .
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBArgo on September 26, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
First half we were decent, very unfortunate not to be level - in part mostly due to poor finishing.
Second half we were poor, deservedly lost, Nyom with a silly foul when we were still in the game. On a brighter note, I thought our Polish lad played very well and looked lively.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SmethDan on September 26, 2017, 03:20:34 PM
Paddy Power's thoughts on the game.............

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/912420830705065984
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on September 26, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
I think it was a good 1st half showing. We won the ball back several times in midfield through' mainly Krychowiak and yes Livermore. Also a couple of bits of quality from Barry and Krych to set up the couple of Rodriguez chances. The midfield tired second half. It was a pretty fluent game and matching Arsenal in that type of game will take something out of midfield legs.
If we are playing two up top against a top 6 team we are unlikely to play Chadli behind them whatever the formation...whatever you think of Livermore he has a physical presence which Chadli does not. It may have been coincidence but we were less effective when Morrison came on.
Agree it doesn't seem right leaving Brunt and Phillips out as their delivery is so good even though the formation does have some benefits in a game like that.
Title: Re: Predictions
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 28, 2017, 12:41:59 PM
Arsenal 3-0 West Brom

Lacazette x2, Ozil

If I had known Ozil wasn't starting, I would have clearly changed it to just the 2 Lacazette goals, so technically I was right...