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Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion
Monday 25th September 2017 20.00pm
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Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion
Monday 25th September 2017 20.00pm
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Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion
Monday 25th September 2017 20.00pm
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Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion
Monday 25th September 2017 20.00pm
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I'm genuinely concerned for this one. We don't have any threat up front really, and that display was awful against West Ham, we need a confidence boosting win in the cup midweek to get us on our way
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Hopefully ones last game
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Have a good feeling about this one.
Arsenal 0 Albion 1
FGS Rondon
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A thumping...........Arsenal 4 albion 0 :( :(
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Arsenal 3-0 West Brom
Lacazette x2, Ozil
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Looking forward to this, 1-1. Evans in stoppage time
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0-1 Brunt to put it in the net.
20% possession for us.
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1-1 Dawson + Giroud
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I'm genuinely concerned for this one. We don't have any threat up front really, and that display was awful against West Ham, we need a confidence boosting win in the cup midweek to get us on our way
West Ham were just as bad if not worse than we were, only thing they had over us was a striker in Carroll that could use his physical presence to cause our defenders issues and even then they created sod all. It was two sides desperate not to lose and cancelled each other out. Arsenal will be completely different, they'll take the game to us and if we can somehow keep them out they will allow us more space to play in on the break. Always a tough order to get anything from the top clubs like Arsenal but the performance against West Ham will have no bearing on this game.
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Pretty sure we will score.. unfortunately Arsenal will score more...3-1..Arsenal..
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West Ham were just as bad if not worse than we were, only thing they had over us was a striker in Carroll that could use his physical presence to cause our defenders issues and even then they created sod all. It was two sides desperate not to lose and cancelled each other out. Arsenal will be completely different, they'll take the game to us and if we can somehow keep them out they will allow us more space to play in on the break. Always a tough order to get anything from the top clubs like Arsenal but the performance against West Ham will have no bearing on this game.
Ya think? West ham were much better than us for large parts of that second half, i thought it was a when not if they were going to score if I'm being honest. Agree with your summary of arsenal though, they will take the game to us but we are due a result there too….
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Referee: Robert Madley
Assistant Referee: Lee Betts
Assistant Referee: Marc Perry
Fourth Official: Stuart Attwell
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if we play 5 at the back .
Foster
Dawson Evans Hegazi
Nyom Gibbs
Barry Krychowiak
Phillips McClean
Rodriguez
Subs Myhill, McAuley, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison, Rondon, Robson Kanu
or with 4 at the back
Foster
Nyom Dawson Evans Gibbs
Barry Krychowiak Yacob
Phillips McClean
Rodriguez
Subs Myhill, McAuley, Hegazi, Brunt, Morrison, Rondon, Robson-Kanu
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if we play 5 at the back .
Foster
Dawson Evans Hegazi
Nyom Gibbs
Barry Krychowiak
Phillips McClean
Rodriguez
Subs Myhill, McAuley, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison, Rondon, Robson Kanu
or with 4 at the back
Foster
Nyom Dawson Evans Gibbs
Barry Krychowiak Yacob
Phillips McClean
Rodriguez
Subs Myhill, McAuley, Hegazi, Brunt, Morrison, Rondon, Robson-Kanu
slight change to the 4 at the back:
Foster
Nyom Dawson Evans Gibbs
Yacob
Barry Krychowiak
Phillips Rodriguez
Rondon
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I'd also be ok with Brunt on the left and Rodriguez up front. McClean makes a better impact off the bench for me.
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Foster
Nyom
McAuley
Evans
Gibbs
Yacob
Barry
Phillips
Krychowiak
Brunt
Rondon
Subs. Myhill Dawson Hegazi McClean Morrison Chadli Rodriguez
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Foster
Nyom
McAuley
Evans
Gibbs
Yacob
Barry
Phillips
Krychowiak
Brunt
Rondon
Subs. Myhill Dawson Hegazi McClean Morrison Chadli Rodriguez
Dawson for Gmac and I'd go with this
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Block 20&21 available 346 seats left.
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2-0 to Arsenal another negative dull performance
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2-0
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Not sure what's happened with me but after watching the Albion for 45 years I have no more enthusiasm for football in general. The second half you saw on wed, I couldn't be bothered by the way. It was just a smoke screen. It's back to normal against Arsenal then Watford etc etc etc
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I agree with Devon.
I want the Baggies to win but feel the life of the team has been sucked out of it.
I have actually turned down free tickets to go and watch them.
Wednesday night showed up all those empty seats again.
Do they also feel let down and are now thinking about not going in the future?
How can a team go on without any atmosphere in the ground and playing to empty terraces?
repeat though...I want the Baggies to win.
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backside 3 wba 1
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Moan, whinge, fart, repeat.
Must be a Saturday without a game ;D ;) .
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Moan moan bloody moan.
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Moan moan bloody moan.
We have every right to bloody moan I pay my money and praise when it's due and I will bloody well moan when it's not.
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We have every right to bloody moan I pay my money and praise when it's due and I will bloody well moan when it's not.
Sunderland fans have a right to moan with what they are going through. We are currently 10th in the Premier League. These are the good times.
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Sunderland fans have a right to moan with what they are going through. We are currently 10th in the Premier League. These are the good times.
Really? I don't know how old you are but trust me these ain't the good time's!!
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Really? I don't know how old you are but trust me these ain't the good time's!!
::) ::) ::)
The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be able to get a bit of pleasure from it.
anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
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The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be able to get a bit of pleasure from it.
anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
I know we have moved on but I have seen the good time's, these ain't and here lies the problem I along with a lot of others am not enjoying the rubbish football Pulis insists on
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The football might be boring but I am up for it as ever! Drinking near the ground or central London?
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Foster
Dawson
Hegazi
Evans
Gibbs
Barry
Phillips
Greg
Brunt
McLean
Rondon
We know how deep our centre mids will play, would Brunt in there on the basis he can spray a 60 yard ball for a counter attack.
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More of this blood, please. away would be even sweeter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKvpVWmZz2Q :P :-*
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slight change to the 4 at the back:
Foster
Nyom Dawson Evans Gibbs
Yacob
Barry Krychowiak
Phillips Rodriguez
Rondon
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I'd also be ok with Brunt on the left and Rodriguez up front. McClean makes a better impact off the bench for me.
Like your first 11 very much vrabbit ;)
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Arsenal 0-1 West Brom ;)
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Desmond - Greg n Phillips for us
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Nil nil all day long >:(
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1-1 playing 8 defenders
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Tone will go down there with a point and hoping to come back with a point.
I'd imagine we'll have 8/9 defensive players on the pitch.
Expect it to open up towards the end of the game but too late for us.
Arsenal 2 Us 0
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if we play 5 at the back .
Foster
Dawson Evans Hegazi
Nyom Gibbs
Barry Krychowiak
Phillips McClean
Rodriguez
Subs Myhill, McAuley, Brunt, Livermore, Morrison, Rondon, Robson Kanu
or with 4 at the back
Foster
Nyom Dawson Evans Gibbs
Barry Krychowiak Yacob
Phillips McClean
Rodriguez
Subs Myhill, McAuley, Hegazi, Brunt, Morrison, Rondon, Robson-Kanu
If it's five at the back he might prefer Hegazi or MacCauley in the middle due to their lack of pace if the wing backs get too far upfield, otherwise I would like to see 5 at the back for a few games - easy to bring off a CH for a more attacking minded player if needed.
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Foster
Nyom
Dawson
Evans
Gibbs
Phillips
Krychowiak
Barry
McLean
Robson-Kanu
Rondon
Bar Barry, I've tried to get as many of our athletic players in the side as possible which I think is important away at Arsenal. I'd have HRK sitting on Xhaka when we get men behind the ball. I think Ramsey vacates the midfield too much so I'd hope McLean, Phillips and Krychowiak could drive woth the ball through that area when we get hold of it.
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More of this blood, please. away would be even sweeter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKvpVWmZz2Q :P :-*
yes blud
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Innit......
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Fam
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The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be able to get a bit of pleasure from it.
anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
i have been going up since 1969 and yes football has changed but to say get over it and just enjoy it shows how little we now want from the game , maybe im a dinosaur but for god sake can i not just enjoy a game for once and not just be seen as a negative fan who will be happy with a bore draw.
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Arsenal 3 - Albion 0
Lacazette x2, Ramsey
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Now this is one of those matches where it makes sense to restrict the opposition as much as possible.
We'll play 9 defensively minded players and lose
2-1
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3-0. My first time at the Emirates so hoping for a goal at least but can't see it happening
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Got this idea we are going to get something out of this. Arsenal are not the team they were a couple of years ago and are not the best defensively. I anticipate he will park the bus and look to nick it. I would be happy with a point and a good shift, but I just have this idea it will go in our favour through a set piece.
0-1 Evans
For me if we go toe to toe with this lot we could get battered, so I do favour the defensive approach.
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3-0. We'll defend until they score, then have no come back.
Not one I would expect to win any way though, just hope we give them a game and don't just surrender.
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Think this could be closer then people think
I expect to lose here but im hoping for a draw so
2-2
FGS Barry on his record breaking appearances game
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I agree with Devon.
I want the Baggies to win but feel the life of the team has been sucked out of it.
I have actually turned down free tickets to go and watch them.
Wednesday night showed up all those empty seats again.
Do they also feel let down and are now thinking about not going in the future?
How can a team go on without any atmosphere in the ground and playing to empty terraces?
repeat though...I want the Baggies to win.
It wouldnt have been full anyway, none of these Carabao cup games are
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Really can't see us scoring here especially if we set up defensively.
And I can't see Arsenal not scoring so I'm hoping for a 1-1 or 2-2 score line.
Realistically though I think it's Arsenal's game to lose.
2-1 or 3-1 Arsenal is the most likely result.
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Fully expecting a very boring standard 2-0 win for Arsenal....but the lads will have worked arrd. Yawn.
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I think that Arsenal are terrified to lose,therefore,I think we can take advantage of this and I think we will win 0-1
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My son is over from Sweden for this game, any idea where he can meet up for a pre match drink with some Albion supporters?
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::) ::) ::)
The albion of old is gone, along with what football used to be. Quicker you get over it, quicker you will actually be able to enjoy the fact this is the best we've been in 30+ years rather than just coming with constant negativity. Its your opinion, your right and your totally entitled to it and I'm not saying you aren't, but you might actually be able to get a bit of pleasure from it.
Really? It may be the best league position but trust me, it's a long way away from the good times of Megson, 3rd div under ossie and the championship under Mowbray. West Ham I was bored rigid wondering why bother
anyway, i fancy a draw here. Arsenal are a fallen giant and I'm very positive after the second half last week.
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Playing a back 5? And 3 defensive midfielders?
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For those who are interested Sky are offering 33/1 for a 1-0 win for the Albion - price boost
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Playing a back 5?
"swiveling four" again
Nyom/Dawson/Hegazi/Evans/ Gibbs
Barry/Livermore/Krychowiak
Rodriguez/HRK
not very exciting I must say.
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Just saw the lineup on twitter. Embarrasing even by our low standards. Netflix for me tonight
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Alright setting up like that but what about when we have the ball ? No out ball really.
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Just saw the lineup on twitter. Embarrasing even by our low standards. Netflix for me tonight
Don't see the logic to that line up either.
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What is he doing with that lineup?
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Alright setting up like that but what about when we have the ball ? No out ball really.
0 creativity on the pitch. Trusting Nyom/Gibbs to put on amazing shifts up and down the wings. The midfield usually gets skipped with hoof ball anyways.
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I have faith. Can see us getting something from Arsenal with that line up
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Saw the line up and now looking to see what is on the other channels.... playing for 0 0 again
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I can see it working, Only if Arsenal are not at it, And Gibbs/Nyom have the energy to get up when we actually have the ball, Needs Livermore to contribute and the 2 up top to hold it up and be effective.
It's a crazy lineup to some, But i'm happy with 2 forwards on the pitch at least.
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Alright setting up like that but what about when we have the ball ? No out ball really.
wouldn't worry, we wont have the ball very often.
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Megson picked that side
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we've got no width in that line up.
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Not convinced by the line-up but he has to allow the wing backs and central midfielders to flood forward when we get the ball.
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Rodriguez and HRK need to put a real shift in tonight. I would have played Rondon myself but we'll see how it goes.
No reason why we can't sneak a result.
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Rodriguez and HRK need to put a real shift in tonight. I would have played Rondon myself but we'll see how it goes.
No reason why we can't sneak a result.
they need support, on paper it doesn't seem like they'll get it. I'm expecting 90 minutes of ugly football where we may score on a set piece. With a lineup like this you better not give up a goal.
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We're going to get trashed. 3-5-2 doesnt work for us. Also McClean is the ideal winger for these types of games and Yacob should be playing too.
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COYB 3-5-2?
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Any streams, anyone?
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We might get a result tonight if everything falls our way, but if we picked that team 50 times we would maybe draw once or twice. Hopefully tonight is one of those
If/As soon as Arsenal score it's game over. Effectively playing 8 at the back and no midfield. I'm glad Rondon isn't playing just so he avoids getting a load of stick on here after the game when he can't beat 5 defenders on his own. Absolute thankless task for HRK and Rodriguez tonight.
Surely we could have sacrificed 1 of our 8 defensive players for Phillips to at least give ourselves the smallest chance of getting something on the breakaway. Everyone knows Arsenal can't defend, are terrible a set pieces and love time on the ball so we drop our best set piece takers, all attacking threat and set up to deliberately allow them as much of the ball as possible.
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We might get a result tonight if everything falls our way, but if we picked that team 50 times we would maybe draw once or twice. Hopefully tonight is one of those
If/As soon as Arsenal score it's game over. Effectively playing 8 at the back and no midfield. I'm glad Rondon isn't playing just so he avoids getting a load of stick on here after the game when he can't beat 5 defenders on his won. Absolute thankless task for HRK and Rodriguez tonight.
Surely we could have sacrificed 1 of our 8 defensive players for Phillips to at least give ourselves the smallest chance of getting something on the breakaway. Everyone knows Arsenal can't defend, are terrible a set pieces and love time on the ball so we drop our best set piece takers, all attacking threat and set up to deliberately allow them as much of the ball as possible.
my exact same thoughts
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We're going to get trashed. 3-5-2 doesnt work for us. Also McClean is the ideal winger for these types of games and Yacob should be playing too.
No chance we will be playing anything like a 3-5-2.
Agree Yacob should be in that team - ahead of Livermore for me.
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What are the tactics if Arsenal score first?
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If we play as well as we did against Man City,have a bit of luck ,foster has
a great game I think we will win!
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COYB
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COYB 3-5-2?
9-1
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Free kick to them right on the edge of penalty area
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Why did Dawson put his arm out, you knew he'd go down. It was a close effort too
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Nearly.
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We got robbed of a penalty!
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Bloody ref, why play advantage there >:( >:( >:(
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Utter disgrace
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Livermore...Missed !
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ahahahah thats absolutely laughable reffing
100% of the time he gives that is it's on Sanchez in our box.
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9-1
Final Score?? ;)
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Typical ref when playing the likes of Arsenal should be 1-0 up.
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ahahahah thats absolutely laughable reffing
100% of the time he gives that is it's on Sanchez in our box.
It's going to be a long night..... Guess we feel lucky he didn't book JRod for diving.
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We're making a game, here.
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A little bit of ambition and Arsenal are there for the taking tonight.
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COYB you can do this
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Was it advantage?? If it was shouldn't Mustafi receive at least a yellow?!
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Ha, no advantage played there. Nice one ref
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Well done ref, you got them their goal you utter knob
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goal to them
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WTF!
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Game over
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Evans gave away a bad free kick for a goal.
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We are up against Arsenal and the ref.
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Ref gifts them the lead just as he wanted.
Appalling from Madeley - what's the point when you have to play the ref as well as a very talented offensive team ?
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Maybe Foster could have done a bit better on the free kick to take it out for a corner.
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Ref is a joke.
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Time to take Livermore off.
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this ref is some sort of sick joke.
Not just his decisions but the way he handles himself and struts about just annoys me!!
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Maybe Foster could have done a bit better on the free kick to take it out for a corner.
I thought he did well to get to it at all! I might need another look at HT
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back-to-back games with a back line of 5 and 3 defensive midfielders and we couldn't keep a clean sheet past 20 minutes in either game
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I thought he did well to get to it at all! I might need another look at HT
The initial save was good just he knock the ball back in the worst possible spot. An elite keeper probably is able to knock it over the bar but that is a high standard to hold Ben at.
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Poor formation and poor team selection but in fairness we never stood a chance with this ref tonight regardless.
Absolutely nobody will ever convince me that if that challenge was in the other box he doesn't give the penalty.
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Dawson just let the ball go out of bounds when it resulted in a throw-in for Arsenal. AWFUL awareness
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Livermore, what does he add?
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Poor formation and poor team selection but in fairness we never stood a chance with this ref tonight regardless.
Absolutely nobody will ever convince me that if that challenge was in the other box he doesn't give the penalty.
I don't think we have played too bad at all
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Are we allowed to substitute the ref at half time?
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Almost had a goal :/
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Off their line.
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Has to score
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Powerful run by Greg!
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2 great chances so far, you just cannot miss these sort of chances and expect to get anything.
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Nearly for us again.
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I don't think I can see people complaining about the performance tonight!
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2 great chances so far, you just cannot miss these sort of chances and expect to get anything.
Make that 3
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I don't think I can see people complaining about the performance tonight!
This is one of the worst Arsenal team in years. We would play even better if we didnt play 3-5-2
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Kolasinac dives full length and grabs the ball with his hands to stop an attack and doesn't get booked?
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Rodriguez and Robson-Kanu looking good, Rodriguez looks a lot happier to tonight!
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Make that 3
No 4
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People having a pop at Dawson and Livermore again, must be watching a different game to me!
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A little bit of ambition and Arsenal are there for the taking tonight.
Still stand by this.
Rondon for HRK, Phillips for Livermore
Foster
Dawson Hegazi Evans
Nyom Gibbs
Phillips Rodriguez
Rondon
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unlucky lads, we really shouldn't be losing.
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Think we can see why pulis has adopted these tactics. But arsenal are poor at the back. If it wasnt for the ref we wouldve had a goal.
Come on baggies we can attack them 2nd half.
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The team we sent to Brighton was so depressing and counter-productive, but this is Pulis at his absolute best. He's got the tactics spot on and we should probably be winning. Wish we could keep him for these games and get someone more fun for the rubbish teams.
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Rodriguez and Robson-Kanu looking good, Rodriguez looks a lot happier to tonight!
If big Ron had missed his 3 chances he would be getting pelted now.
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Should be 4 goals up, missed some absolute sitters. Playing well if not for the ref we would be winning this.
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THE POLE making things happen tonight. I believe Jay would had gotten the PK if he didn't get up and continue the play (shot on target) but the ref has definitely been suspect at best. I've been an Evans advocate but what a poor game he's had, you can't give up that kind of foul near the box. Just can't put out this lineup and have the back line make poor decisions time and time again. Otherwise it's been a good effort.
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Still stand by this.
Rondon for HRK, Phillips for Livermore
Foster
Dawson Hegazi Evans
Nyom Gibbs
Phillips Rodriguez
Rondon
why! It's looking OK with a bit of luck and a decent referee we could be 3 or 4-1 up.
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Struggling to see how we are losing this! JAke is off the game otherwise all doing well, have got to take the chances though.
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If big Ron had missed his 3 chances he would be getting pelted now.
if you are watching he hasn't missed! And he is prepared to have a go and is always in the right position
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Playing well, small tweak for me would be to swap Krychowiak and Livermore over; that gives Krychowiak more licence to get forward and has Jake slightly deeper, more similar to his role for England.
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Livermore and Evans need to buck their ideas up.
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Playing really well, just haven't had the luck so far. I feel if Rondon was on the pitch we'd have got at least a goal.
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Playing really well, just need a goal. Greg is mustard
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2 up front creates us chances... who knew? (Oh thats right i said it in a previous after match debate weeks ago) now give rondon his DESERVED chance of playing in a 2 and watch the goals flow!!
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Martin Keown
Former Arsenal defender on BBC Radio 5 live
It was definitely a penalty and the free-kick for Arsenal's goal was doubtful.
The amount of chances Rodriguez has had is remarkable.
Arsenal have switched off at the back. They go in 1-0 but very fortunte
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Playing well, small tweak for me would be to swap Krychowiak and Livermore over; that gives Krychowiak more licence to get forward and has Jake slightly deeper, more similar to his role for England.
Yes, that run and cross showed that Greg has the drive to get forward and the vision. I'm with you, let see him try and boss it.
How has Sanchez not been booked for dissent?!
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Alan Smith it's official your a dick
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Played well first half but you feel the damage has already been done by the cheat in black and the sloppy goal.
JRod just not clinical enough and too honest with the penalty.
However, best chance missed by Livermore!
Coyb
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Ok Tone another 45mins on front foot please
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Yes, that run and cross showed that Greg has the drive to get forward and the vision. I'm with you, let see him try and boss it.
How has Sanchez not been booked for dissent?!
According to the BBC site, he has.
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According to the BBC site, he has.
That's good, hopefully he'll get another early doors then!
Gibbs is having a good game too, I've love to see his reaction if he scores :P
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People having a pop at Dawson and Livermore again, must be watching a different game to me!
Livermore missed a pretty much open goal, if that was rondon he would be getting some stick.
Dawson is pants and purposely left the ball to go out for an arsenal throw in... very poor awareness.
We can't beat the best teams in the league with that kind of quality so what on earth do you exepct?!
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Stone well penalty how the ref hasn't given that is beyond s joke Evans hasn't touch the bloke for free kick
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Sounds like we have been a bit unlucky so i would say Pulis got his tactics right for this game.
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Cheeky b'stards making us wait while they mince around in the tunnel :(
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Evans' passing is suspect again.
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Too many hoofs again.
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Brilliant first half performance by Albion, but Arsenal are beginning to turn the screw
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Arsenal are getting all the 50/50 refereeing decisions. Ref is a real homer
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Jrod & karmu off Phillips & rondon on
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Phillips could do some damage in this game
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Why isn’t Phillips playing??
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Time to roll the dice Tone, we need something else up front
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Morrison coming on.
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Jimmy for Jake, well it's a change I guess just not the one most of us would go for!
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Rondon for HRK
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Now Rondon
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Hegazi has played well tonight
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McClean should come on next. Phillips hasnt offered much except for his purple patch last season.
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And there's a pen to them, FFS >:(
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Useless bugger
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No penalty...shoulder to shoulder.
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2-0, disgusting reffing
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D and blast
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We had the beating of Arsenal but not the ref.
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brainless defending, excellent pen.
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That is no penalty,the refs a homie
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Shocking decisions. Worst decision was selecting Livermore though, who is just awful. If this is him after a rest I dread to think what's in store for the rest of the season
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we should have had one first half, but that is a clear pen. nyom barged right into him, calling it a fair shoulder-to-shoulder is being very generous.
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Definite penalty after a stupid foul by Nyom
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my 2 month old grandaughter could pass better than dawson.
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Definite penalty no need to make the challenge, why didn't we continue the same after the break!? Just can't help himself can he useless and clueless
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Definite penalty no need to make the challenge, why didn't we continue the same after the break!? Just can't help himself can he useless and clueless
Arsenal have also played much better in the 2nd half. We tried pressing them but they are doing a better job of not giving the ball away
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Alan Smiths commentating is utter drivel
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About time ! We now have Phillips on.
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Arsenal have gone up a gear in the second half, good sides can do that. The ref cost us in the first half aswell as poor finishing. A lot of positives though.
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Need a goal now Ron
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Shame we haven't turned up second half and seem to be giving the usual too much respect at the Library.
Lack of goals a big worry so far this season now. You
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Would have preferred HRK left on.
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One or 2 out there looking tired now.
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Shame we haven't turned up second half and seem to be giving the usual too much respect at the Library.
Lack of goals a big worry so far this season now. You
No surprise really. We signed a bunch of players we didnt need (Burke, Polish guy and Gibbs) and we didnt sign a proper striker.
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No surprise really. We signed a bunch of players we didnt need (Burke, Polish guy and Gibbs) and we didnt sign a proper striker.
I dunno, I think the latter two really improve our starting XI and the former seems a decent prospect. Wouldn't have minded a top striker, but lack of goals probably as much to do with the system than the personnel imo!
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Perfectly defending this 2-0 loss
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1st half Barry was on the end of the same type of challenge the ref gave nothing. Shocking truly shocking from the ref bet very little gets said. Played well tonight.
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Just have that feeling about this season, even at this stage, that we're going to have too many hard luck stories :(
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I dunno, I think the latter two really improve our starting XI and the former seems a decent prospect. Wouldn't have minded a top striker, but lack of goals probably as much to do with the system than the personnel imo!
We really needed Gibbs, he's shown tonight what a left back with an engine can give us.
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Mentally they are fatigued and just outclassed, Not alot they can do when the ref helps them first half, And Nyom costs us second half.
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We haven't got anyone with an eye for goal. We need a good striker, badly.
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Just have that feeling about this season, even at this stage, that we're going to have too many hard luck stories :(
Nothing to do with luck!
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Passing needs to addressed.
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We really needed Gibbs, he's shown tonight what a left back with an engine can give us.
Gibbs hasnt been better than Brunt and by playing Gibbs our biggest goal threat dissappeared.
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Must be shattered...Back to the hoof !
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Fozzie stopped number 3
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it's absolutely embarrassing to be down 0-2 against ANYONE and seeing your GK have no sense or urgency whatsoever to get the ball moving.
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If we lose to watford on saturday, i can see a relegation battle this season. And aztech, yes it is, we should've had a penalty first half, could've changed the dynamic of the game.
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We haven't created many chances 2nd half
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Rondon looks fed up
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If we lose to watford on saturday, i can see a relegation battle this season. And aztech, yes it is, we should've had a penalty first half, could've changed the dynamic of the game.
I very much doubt it
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Second half performance was really poor. We just let arsenal dominate us in midfield. Midfield was very poor. Gave nothing to the attackers to chase.
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Didn't turn up second half probably realised they were playing against 12 men and one of them was wearing a black shirt
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If the ref does his job properly in the first half we get at least a draw. Oh well. Good effort from the players.
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had chances 1st half, second half we was well off the pace. passing very sloppy especially from Dawson, thought barry was quiet and we sat deeper after the subs were made. we need to turn up for 90 mins .
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Thought we should have got something from that. Ref couldn't have been more biased. Good effort and we looked decent, certainly have them a game.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Pulis, and I don't like the way he sets us up against poorer or similar opposition, but I think he got it spot on tonight.
Don't really like to talk about bad luck, but I think it was just one of those nights. Kept them quiet in the first half, managed to create a few good chances, and we definitely should have had a pen. We were worse in the second half, but Arsenal played a lot better, and it was just a moment of brainless defending from Nyom for their 2nd.
Our season won't be defined by games like tonight, so I'm not too bothered, but if we see a midfield 3 of Livermore, Barry and Krychowiak against Watford I'll start to worry.
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Referee was biased, if their penalty was ok then so should ours. Sanchez is a cheating diver.
Played well first half and then knew we could never win with the decisions going against us.
Note for January transfer we still need an attacking midfielder to replace Morrison, need better than Nyon and a definitley a goal getter ;D
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2 ok halves in our last two games count for nothing if Watford turn us over Saturday. God I am bored .
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Thought we should have got something from that. Ref couldn't have been more biased. Good effort and we looked decent, certainly have them a game.
When will it stop though? Refs cheat every week, unashamedly biased but nothing done. Premier League is corrupt full stop. If a ref wants to keep the work coming he has to keep the top 6 sweet. Rotten to the core!
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Midfield went home at half time!
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I'd also say my biggest concern is that it's one thing to chop and change the system/players in a horses-for-courses way IN THEORY depending on opposition, but it feels like the negative style of football is too ingrained in the lads.
I can totally get behind going to the Emirates with a back 5 and 3 DMs and trying to steal a result (which we could have done if the game had gone our way a bit more), but when we played a team/system most of us were pretty happy with or even calling out for against West Ham we still produced turgid rubbish.
My one hope is that this is partly a question of the new players gelling together etc, and I'd like to think a season of us playing a lineup similar to this against the top four or five sides, and gibbs-evans-CB-nyom, barry-krychowiak, and four attacking players will serve us well. Time will tell I guess.
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Frustrating thing is, It was Evans diving in lacking discipline for the first goal, Then Nyom costing us with a blatant lack of discipline for the penalty. We can blame the ref and rightly so, But nothing worse than own players costing you the goals because of rash decisions.
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Played well, never going to be able to play the ball on the deck against Arsenal, but we need to keep that pressing and physical play and pass on the floor.
Win against Watford now.
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Frustrating thing is, It was Evans diving in lacking discipline for the first goal, Then Nyom costing us with a blatant lack of discipline for the penalty. We can blame the ref and rightly so, But nothing worse than own players costing you the goals because of rash decisions.
Spot on re Evans but the Nyom pen would probably be given 3 times out of 10. The Jrod pen is 10 out of 10 unless the ref makes his mind up prior to kickoff that he's giving us nothing. That's corruption plain and simple.
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If we had gone in 1-1 (which we deserved) at half time , it would have given the team that needed pick-me-up.
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Really good first half. Should have taken some of our chances though regardless of the blatant penalty that wasn't given. Thought Livermore was awful and capped it all off with a shocking loss after JRod had hit the post. Needs to be replaced against Watford with a more forward thinking player.
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As I said during the match...Evans and Livermore needed to be taken off (and this was early in the match).
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Shocking decision on our penalty not given. Was the referee reviewer on sky suggesting advantage was played. Never any advantage signal and at the very least should have been a yellow card for disrupting a clear goal scoring chance, perhaps a red. Which may have made the ref chicken out completely.
In fairness Arsenal did have two clearer penalty shouts than the super soft one they got.
Actually surprised how many chances we created first half. Thought played well but couldn't get going after the break.
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Watching from a bar in Turkey I am nowhere near as upbeat as some on here about that 1st half. With this squad TP cannot justify playing Dawson Livermore and Kanu as starting Premier League players when we have better on the bench. 3 5 2 doesn't suit us either because it robs us of Brunt and Phillips our most dangerous assist makers. And while the referee was extremely poor there is no way to defend the chances missed by Rodriguez.
Going forward we need to revert to 451. Get Brunt and Phillips back in the team. Give Rondon a run of games. Get Chadli fit and playing. Use McClean and Burke from the bench against tired legs.
I'm a Pulis fan but he's hamstringing us with his team selection.
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Watched it in the bar on holiday in Wales.
Spirited first half performance but second half we were absent.
To all those complaining at the ref (I am a ref myself) I can see where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is we are to honest. If Jrod stays down then I am pretty certain the ref gives the penalty there and then. The problem is when you have played the advantage its very hard to go back and give the penalty.
Yes I know some will argue whats better than a free shot at goal from 12 yards, but when Jrod who is playing in the right spirit gets up then he has sadly made the decision for us.
We need to stop being so honest.
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Watched it in the bar on holiday in Wales.
Spirited first half performance but second half we were absent.
To all those complaining at the ref (I am a ref myself) I can see where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is we are to honest. If Jrod stays down then I am pretty certain the ref gives the penalty there and then. The problem is when you have played the advantage its very hard to go back and give the penalty.
Yes I know some will argue whats better than a free shot at goal from 12 yards, but when Jrod who is playing in the right spirit gets up then he has sadly made the decision for us.
We need to stop being so honest.
I'm not convinced the ref would have given us a penalty even if Jrod had stayed down.
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Watched it in the bar on holiday in Wales.
Spirited first half performance but second half we were absent.
To all those complaining at the ref (I am a ref myself) I can see where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is we are to honest. If Jrod stays down then I am pretty certain the ref gives the penalty there and then. The problem is when you have played the advantage its very hard to go back and give the penalty.
Yes I know some will argue whats better than a free shot at goal from 12 yards, but when Jrod who is playing in the right spirit gets up then he has sadly made the decision for us.
We need to stop being so honest.
Kind of agree apart from the referee playing advantage. He never made any signal and surely it should have been at least a yellow card, more probably a red, given how far back the covering defender was.
Shirt pull on Sanchez was probably Arsenal's strongest penalty shout.
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When will it stop though? Refs cheat every week, unashamedly biased but nothing done. Premier League is corrupt full stop. If a ref wants to keep the work coming he has to keep the top 6 sweet. Rotten to the core!
totally agree with you mate, madley needs a good kicking. Sky sports is another biased network and can't wait for Amazon to outbid them on next tv rites.
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First half we played some really good counter attacking football, ignoring the biased ref we should have scored at least 2 with chance we created. Kanu in my opinion is poor and shouldn't be any where near the first team. Livermore had yet another below average game and missed a sitter. Rodriguez was to honest and should of stayed down and make the tosser make a decision but he also had the goal at his mercy only to nod ball back to defender. Foster has to get game going quickly when we are behind, there were numerous times second half that he slowed game down which baffled me.
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Second half was really hard to watch knowing that we were capable of causing them problems but not causing any at all.
I'm a fan of Morrison but him and the other two subs were so ineffectual.
Also a long way from our penalty shout and theirs. Even from that distance was still very blatant ours was and theirs was a very good shout as well, Nyom has a big tendency of giving (often needless) fouls away in dangerous areas.
As for the starting lineup, said it many times before and I'll say it again, I don't rate Livermore, especially not as an attacking midfielder. Robson-kanu can do a job at times but today he didn't and he also gives far too many fouls away. As for the others, nobody played particularly badly but also nobody outstanding
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First half we played some really good counter attacking football, ignoring the biased ref we should have scored at least 2 with chance we created. Kanu in my opinion is poor and shouldn't be any where near the first team. Livermore had yet another below average game and missed a sitter. Rodriguez was to honest and should of stayed down and make the tosser make a decision but he also had the goal at his mercy only to nod ball back to defender. Foster has to get game going quickly when we are behind, there were numerous times second half that he slowed game down which baffled me.
Could not agree more, had me scratching my head.. frustrating to say the least.
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Sanchez dived for the 1st goal, we should of had a penalty. Great performance in the 1st half but we were outclassed in the second. Stupid from Nyom which effectively took the game away from us.
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Played well. Looked good with the 'new' shape and high press. Rare under Pulis I've said we lost and played well.
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Frustrating thing is, It was Evans diving in lacking discipline for the first goal, Then Nyom costing us with a blatant lack of discipline for the penalty. We can blame the ref and rightly so, But nothing worse than own players costing you the goals because of rash decisions.
I agree entirely. Whilst the penalty we should have had was blatant we really shot ourselves in both feet - two very rash and unnecessary tackles that led to both the Arsenal goals and terrible finishing were what cost us in the end. I have just come to expect we are going to be on the wrong side of the ref against the so called big clubs.
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I quite liked the 5 at the back - i think it gets the best from Gibbs who i thought looked good, i do worry about Nyom,s defending as he is prone to diving in unnecessarily and his judgement of the high ball is questionable at best. its how we set up with the other 5 that would be a bigger concern as we will need more pace, more creativity and better finishing than that - although to be fair even how we set up last night caused arsenal a lot of problems in the first half. Quite what happened in the second half i dont know!
whether we can find pace, creativity and finishing in our current squad is open to question
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sanchez dived and was going down and bought a freekick they punished us
we should have had pen and by the law of the game mustafki would have been sent off I guess.
had some good half chances. every week I watch wba and I think a different one of the 3 front men is our best option- theres no real stand out candidate which is a huge problem, we signed well but didn't get the type of striker we needed.
all 3 subs did nothing. Im of the opinion we need to have 2 of the 4: brunt, Morrison, chadli & Phillips in the team. otherwise we are pretty blunt going forward. second half we just couldn't keep the ball.
nyom isn't a wing back and playing that formation has us not use Phillips and brunt im not a fan.
west ham game looks even worse now, big pressure on Watford match
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looked much better with back 5 and high press...think we should stick with it with Chadli for Livermore when fit
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When will it stop though? Refs cheat every week, unashamedly biased but nothing done. Premier League is corrupt full stop. If a ref wantus to keep the work coming he has to keep the top 6 sweet. Rotten to the core!
How did Leicester win the League though?
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Sadly it is always the case with referee's that they know that if they make a 'wrong' decision against a top six side then they will never hear the end of it and there will be repercussions whereby if they do it against the likes of us, it may be spoken about overnight but soon forgotten. Has to weigh heavily on their minds when officiating a game as sadly the majority of them are the lads at school who could never play football so got into refereeing it instead.
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I think Richard Madley would have done a better job than this idiot
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I would like to think that the assessors will be looking at this very poor display, think I will be disappointed though.
That said the cheating Columbian dwarf did him no favours, what a horrible if gifted little tnuc he is!
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I quite liked the 5 at the back - i think it gets the best from Gibbs who i thought looked good, i do worry about Nyom,s defending as he is prone to diving in unnecessarily and his judgement of the high ball is questionable at best. its how we set up with the other 5 that would be a bigger concern as we will need more pace, more creativity and better finishing than that - although to be fair even how we set up last night caused arsenal a lot of problems in the first half. Quite what happened in the second half i dont know!
whether we can find pace, creativity and finishing in our current squad is open to question
Sorry mate but I don't know how you can say Gibbs looked good? I can't see a single positive from him apart from pace. He can't defend (certainly not to Pulis standard of defending) and can't attack. I just don't see the point in him.
Also unsure how people have hailed Nyom since he joined... he's done a job on occasions granted, but he's one of the worst footballers I've ever seen, every time he gets the ball/goes in for a tackle I look away.
Anyway, on a positive.... I like the new system it works well and makes for better viewing. Get Dawson on the right for Nyom... Gmac back in centre with Evans and Hegazi... Brunt for Gibbs and we have a good team there imo
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I would like to think that the assessors will be looking at this very poor display, think I will be disappointed though.
That said the cheating Columbian dwarf did him no favours, what a horrible if gifted little tnuc he is!
if you talking about sanchez hes from chille
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if you talking about sanchez hes from chille
My bad!, he's still a horrible little .... anyway!
On subject of being a pedant one L in Chile ;)
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Played well. Looked good with the 'new' shape and high press. Rare under Pulis I've said we lost and played well.
Agree, this formation is the way. 5 defenders but 2 up top. Least we get the best of both worlds.
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Agree, this formation is the way. 5 defenders but 2 up top. Least we get the best of both worlds.
We are still desperate for someone to provide the link to the forwards,
Options seem to be
a) Chadli - not fit - still - :-\
b) Brunt - not for me, sorry Jacko
c) Gregorz - worth trying hm there.
d) Mozza, definite no, not cutting it anymore.
e) JRod, I would try it, he is skilled and has a good engine.
Personally, if Chadli isn't fit give Greg a couple of games there.
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Think it's woeth mentioning that the reason this formstion worked is that Arsenal don't tend to cross the ball so if you pack the centre with 3 CBs and 3 DMs you will stifle them in the centre.
Their width comes the full backs which left JRod and HRK 1 on 1 with their centre backs a few times.
Right tactics for the game, not every game
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Is Chadli really unfit or is Pulis still giving him the cold shoulder?
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Is Chadli really unfit or is Pulis still giving him the cold shoulder?
He played for the u23s last night, got 45mins in so hopefully getting back to full fitness.
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Biased, incompetent one eyed twohat: Robert Madley
Assistant Referee: Lee Betts
Assistant Referee: Marc Perry
Fourth Official: Stuart Attwell
Edited for you ;) .
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First half we were decent, very unfortunate not to be level - in part mostly due to poor finishing.
Second half we were poor, deservedly lost, Nyom with a silly foul when we were still in the game. On a brighter note, I thought our Polish lad played very well and looked lively.
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Paddy Power's thoughts on the game.............
https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/912420830705065984
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I think it was a good 1st half showing. We won the ball back several times in midfield through' mainly Krychowiak and yes Livermore. Also a couple of bits of quality from Barry and Krych to set up the couple of Rodriguez chances. The midfield tired second half. It was a pretty fluent game and matching Arsenal in that type of game will take something out of midfield legs.
If we are playing two up top against a top 6 team we are unlikely to play Chadli behind them whatever the formation...whatever you think of Livermore he has a physical presence which Chadli does not. It may have been coincidence but we were less effective when Morrison came on.
Agree it doesn't seem right leaving Brunt and Phillips out as their delivery is so good even though the formation does have some benefits in a game like that.
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Arsenal 3-0 West Brom
Lacazette x2, Ozil
If I had known Ozil wasn't starting, I would have clearly changed it to just the 2 Lacazette goals, so technically I was right...