Author Topic: We are going down ? (Read 79285 times)

GrGr · « **Reply #150 on:** April 12, 2014, 06:21:56 PM »

Norwich - draw
Tottenham - win
City - loss
West Ham - draw
Arsenal - loss
Sunderland - ?? toss a coin
Stoke - ?? Stoke will be decidedly on the beach but they are a bogey team so who knows.

This is what I predicted earlier. I thought we would get something from the Norwich and Tottenham games, I only got them the wrong way around.

What is absolutely killing us is our weak fullbacks (even if we have plenty of other weaknesses). It's so easy for opponents to attack us. Having said that we are not that easy to defeat which is a strength. But it's a sign of the imbalance of the squad that we cannot put a solid 90 minutes together.

We need to win at least one of the West Ham, Sunderland and Stoke games to stay up. Two of those teams will be on the beach. If we can't win at least one in those circumstances we deserve to drop.

I think Norwich (killer last four games) and Sunderland are pretty much down now, Cardiff aren't that strong either and have a 4 point gap to make up to us. But they have Stoke, Sunderland, Newcastle and Chelsea left ie a couple of teams that like Southampton have hit the beach and a sixpointer.

WBARoberts · « **Reply #151 on:** April 12, 2014, 07:32:34 PM »

The manner in which we threw away the points today is disappointing however watching Spurs pop Sunderland 5-1 on Monday I would have happily taken a draw prior to kick off. All in all this was a good result and another vital point.

I firmly believe it leaves us needing 1 win to stay up. Sunderland, West Ham or Stoke.

hardtobeat · « **Reply #152 on:** April 12, 2014, 07:39:51 PM »

Having watched Sunderland today really have to hope they are already down and have nothing to play for as they were better than Everton today and very very unlucky to lose, their intensity at times overpowered Everton and would doubt whether we could combat it.

WBASPE77 · « **Reply #153 on:** April 12, 2014, 08:34:51 PM »

Having watched Sunderland a fair bit recently they only have one real player capable of doing anything and that is Johnson, very few goals up front, no pace at the back and they hardly win the games against teams around them. I think we were quite lucky to get the point, Spurs were all over us in the second half, Foster makes too great saves in the first half and saves a penalty.

Baggie79 · « **Reply #154 on:** April 12, 2014, 11:17:33 PM »

8 points out of 15 is a very good return for a team in relegation trouble and we have played some very good teams as well. Yes it could have been better but also we could have lost at Norwich and been doomed. Sunderland and Cardiff are down and Norwich are unlikely to get another point so today was the point we needed to make us safe.

spencer Baggie · « **Reply #155 on:** April 12, 2014, 11:43:52 PM »

Quote from: Baggie79 on April 12, 2014, 11:17:33 PM

8 points out of 15 is a very good return for a team in relegation trouble and we have played some very good teams as well. Yes it could have been better but also we could have lost at Norwich and been doomed. Sunderland and Cardiff are down and Norwich are unlikely to get another point so today was the point we needed to make us safe.

Disagree re: cardiff.

We could be in the relegation zone by the time we play City.

Ska-dForLife-WBA · « **Reply #156 on:** April 12, 2014, 11:52:44 PM »

Quote from: spencer Baggie on April 12, 2014, 11:43:52 PM

We could be in the relegation zone by the time we play City.

While this is theoretically true, it would require both Norwich beating Liverpool and Fulham beating Spurs by a thirty-goal margin. I'm not racing to the bookies on either (although if Spurs defend like they did in the first half today, I wouldn't put it past them to ship a few dozen).

KingKoren · « **Reply #157 on:** April 13, 2014, 12:17:00 AM »

I don't think we'll go down but I think we're lucky there are at least three worse teams then us this season.

We have West Ham and Stoke at home who'll have nothing to play for as well as a potentially already relegated Sunderland away. We'll get at least three points out of those and that'll be enough. Our GD is like a point too.

Norwich will get 3 points maximum

Fulham will get 6 points maximum

Cardiff will get 6 points maximum

We've dragged it out far longer than we should and I can't wait for the season to end. We've dropped so many points through referees Chelsea, Stoke and Arsenal and shocking defending three two nil leads lost and a 3 nil one now.I hope we get a new back four for next season. Reid and Ridgewell aren't up to it any more, not their fault but that's life; our centre-backs are too slow and need competition.

AlbionBest · « **Reply #158 on:** April 13, 2014, 12:56:54 AM »

Quote from: GrGr on April 12, 2014, 06:21:56 PM

Norwich - draw
Tottenham - win
City - loss
West Ham - draw
Arsenal - loss
Sunderland - ?? toss a coin
Stoke - ?? Stoke will be decidedly on the beach but they are a bogey team so who knows.

This is what I predicted earlier. I thought we would get something from the Norwich and Tottenham games, I only got them the wrong way around.

What is absolutely killing us is our weak fullbacks (even if we have plenty of other weaknesses). It's so easy for opponents to attack us. Having said that we are not that easy to defeat which is a strength. But it's a sign of the imbalance of the squad that we cannot put a solid 90 minutes together.

We need to win at least one of the West Ham, Sunderland and Stoke games to stay up. Two of those teams will be on the beach. If we can't win at least one in those circumstances we deserve to drop.

I think Norwich (killer last four games) and Sunderland are pretty much down now, Cardiff aren't that strong either and have a 4 point gap to make up to us. But they have Stoke, Sunderland, Newcastle and Chelsea left ie a couple of teams that like Southampton have hit the beach and a sixpointer.

Unfortunately, anyone who has Newcastle to play almost as a 'free pass' at the moment.

GrGr · « **Reply #159 on:** April 13, 2014, 01:34:35 AM »

Quote from: AlbionBest on April 13, 2014, 12:56:54 AM

Unfortunately, anyone who has Newcastle to play almost as a 'free pass' at the moment.

Let's say we win one of our games against West Ham, Stoke or Sunderland and lose the rest - we end up on 36 points.

If Cardiff win two games, say against Newcastle and Stoke (the Potters would love to hand Cardiff points if it relegated us I'm sure) and draw against Sunderland and lose against Chelsea they end up on... 36 points. But Cardiff are -20 goals worse than us in the goals against column. If Cardiff win three games we obviously have to win one and draw two or win two of our remaining games.

As it looks now we should just about make it unless we completely implode.

hardtobeat · « **Reply #160 on:** April 13, 2014, 09:18:25 AM »

I still believe we will go down mainly because this bunch of players have no mental strength. If it comes to last day squeaky bum time do you really fancy them to hang on in the last 10mins??.......................no nor me!

overseas baggie · « **Reply #161 on:** April 13, 2014, 09:20:42 AM »

Quote from: hardtobeat on April 13, 2014, 09:18:25 AM

I still believe we will go down mainly because this bunch of players have no mental strength. If it comes to last day squeaky bum time do you really fancy them to hang on in the last 10mins??.......................no nor me!

Although we managed it at Norwich

overseas baggie · « **Reply #162 on:** April 13, 2014, 09:22:20 AM »

That result at Villa in January certainly was a 6-pointer. Look where both we and Villa would be now....

overseas baggie · « **Reply #163 on:** April 13, 2014, 09:50:33 AM »

The bookies today have us around 6/1 to 8/1 to go down.

Sunderland around 1/10, Cardiff around 1/4 and Norwich around 1/2. Fulham are evens.

Jack Russell · « **Reply #164 on:** April 13, 2014, 12:35:58 PM »

Anybody had a change of heart again

evobaggies · « **Reply #165 on:** April 13, 2014, 01:04:46 PM »

Yesterday We threw away 2 points and yes at the start of the day I would of been more than happy with a point, but being 3 nil up at home and coming away with a draw the huge effect that must have on the squads morale.

I dont know what to think after yesterday, whether we stay up or go down I cant wait for this season to be over

BobTaylor · « **Reply #166 on:** April 13, 2014, 01:05:34 PM »

Quote from: Jack Russell on April 13, 2014, 12:35:58 PM

Anybody had a change of heart again

Yes there has been to many basic errors for it to not end in misery its written in the headlines

however its big positive we do have players like sess who have got the bit between there teeth west ham is going to be the biggest game in years i feel.

WorcsWBA · « **Reply #167 on:** April 13, 2014, 01:09:16 PM »

It would be very pleasurable in many ways to achieve safety by beating West Ham!

palmaroy · « **Reply #168 on:** April 13, 2014, 01:10:40 PM »

Has anybody noticed we are 9th top scoters in the prem.
Not ban after all the Lukaku,long ,Odemwingie talk.
That's why we don't lose many

KingKoren · « **Reply #169 on:** April 13, 2014, 01:52:29 PM »

Quote from: hardtobeat on April 13, 2014, 09:18:25 AM

I still believe we will go down mainly because this bunch of players have no mental strength. If it comes to last day squeaky bum time do you really fancy them to hang on in the last 10mins??.......................no nor me!

The two most crucial matches we've had this season in my opinion were Swansea away and Norwich away and we managed wins in both. Not about mental strength, we have a rubbish defence.

WBAinDEVON · « **Reply #170 on:** April 13, 2014, 01:54:46 PM »

Quote from: KingKoren on April 13, 2014, 01:52:29 PM

The two most crucial matches we've had this season in my opinion were Swansea away and Norwich away and we managed wins in both. Not about mental strength, we have a rubbish defence.

Let just hope they can see it through

KingKoren · « **Reply #171 on:** April 13, 2014, 02:12:08 PM »

Quote from: WBAinDEVON on April 13, 2014, 01:54:46 PM

Let just hope they can see it through

Bloody hope so then sort it out next season. At least it looks as though Yaya Toure maybe out against us. keep it below 4 and I'd be content. Has to be said we've had more pens conceded than any other prem team and only Norwich have had less given.

TheJacko2000 · « **Reply #172 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:06:22 PM »

We've never looked like going down since Clarke was sacked. How this thread has got to page 7 I'll never know.

Baggie79 · « **Reply #173 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:10:36 PM »

For all that think we are going down you can get 8/1 so put your money where your mouth is, free money isn't it?

overseas baggie · « **Reply #174 on:** April 13, 2014, 04:52:14 PM »

Quote from: Baggie79 on April 13, 2014, 04:10:36 PM

For all that think we are going down you can get 8/1 so put your money where your mouth is, free money isn't it?

I backed Swansea to go down at 15/2 just before Laudrup was sacked. I hope that one comes in as it will also mean we survive!