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Steve Madeley says Evans deal is pretty much agreed, loose ends just being tied up and should be our player in next couple of days.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/27/video-albion-close-in-on-jonny-evans/
Little side note, Madeley leaves the Express & Star tomorrow. Another decent local journalist gone.
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Steve Madeley says Evans deal is pretty much agreed, lose ends just being tied up and should be our player in next couple of days.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/27/video-albion-close-in-on-jonny-evans/
Little side note, Madeley leaves the Express & Star tomorrow. Another decent local journalist gone.
that's all the locals gone isn't it
just left with the guy at the mail who used to write computer game articles for the mercury writing negative pieces with no substance about the albion now.
and he's a wolves fan
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I'm happy with that deal, for the right price he's a good centre half.
Providing we start integrating both him and Chester as our regular centre halves we will be fine.
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Welcome Jonny Evans or should I keep my mouth shut for 48 hours??
Why will it take 48 hours of he's signed :D, So we are going to announce it Saturday night or Monday morning the excitement is unreal.
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Hope this goes through, yes he has been caught out on big occasions, but he won't be playing champions league regularly for us (yet)
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Has it been announced how much we have bid for him? Can't see it anywhere.
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Think it's a great signing of it comes off personally
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27 years old. thought he was older than that, seems to have been aound a while. A good signing if it happens.
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Where have I heard it before that "Just a few loose ends being tied up"?
Oh yes... Frederico Fazio.
Hmm.
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Good signing in my opinion when it goes through :D
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Good deal for £5m. Much prefer Evans over Fazio.
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We've been closing in him for a few days, Express and Star went as far as saying talks were going well and they hoped to get a deal done by the weekend in a piece yesterday morning. Only surprise is its took so long to get a thread of his own started.
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Great to see a Jonny Evans thread, now let's get this one over the line
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Really have mixed feelings about this and hope I am wrong but not convinced of his quality. Unsure about the integration as James Chesters seems to be behind Mc and Daws at the moment. Olsen is a Pulis style of player. Hope that Evans and Chester will be playing together by Christmas and be a great pair for us and I will happily admit I was wrong
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Johnny Evans is better than any other cb we have . Cant see many of our players with 3 (i think) league winners medals. My only concern about him would be his recent injury record. I just dont see why people wouldnt want him at the Hawthorns :o :o
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Johnny Evans is better than any other cb we have . Cant see many of our players with 3 (i think) league winners medals. My only concern about him would be his recent injury record. I just dont see why people wouldnt want him at the Hawthorns :o :o
A tad better than Long John Silver, me reckons.
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My gf is a big utd fan so I end up watching 20/30 of there games a season on tv and a few live.
A couple of years ago he was in really good form and with Vidic Evra and Ferdinand at the end of their careers and Rafael still slightly raw he was comfortably their best defender. Never really did much wrong since then but has never really been considered a big enough name to be a regular started for Utd and in truth compared to players Like Ferdinand, Vidic, Stam etc isnt good enough to be a top 4 sides number 1/2 centre back.
However for us I think he would be a tremendous signing. With players from clubs like Utd I think there fringe players fall in to 2 categorys. The bang average ones made to look a lot better because they play for a top side (personally I've always had Fletcher in this category, Cleverley is another) and the ones who look average but are actually very good 2nd tier PL players, made to look more average because they are not as good as the players around them. Id firmly place Evans in the 2nd category. My onoy concern is that at £10m we are massivlry overpaying, not on ability but on his contract status, role within the Utd squad and that CB isnt a position we need to spend £10m on in my opinion with other areas needing adressing. However id the price of nearer £5m is correct its a no brainer move, especially is Lescott is going as he has played as the le centre badk for Utd. Saying that he will probably end up playing left back for us and all the above is irrelevant.
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Great post. I do think he will be consistent and a very good signing and don't be surprised if he is used at left back. Has played there a good bit for his country. He is fairly quick and reads the game well
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Would be a great signing. We would have 5 centre backs which means we could play 4 across the back and one as holding midfielder. :D
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he pooh himself.
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That's him written off then and Fletcher is rubbish too isn't he. Man Utd fans think they know everything about football, arrogant twats. Give him a chance ffs
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he rubbish himself.
I dont know who I would rather have Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bebe, or Darren fletcher????
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he rubbish himself.
Yet somehow he played nearly 200 games for Yanited and won a barrow load of medals !
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My mate is a united fan, says it all doesnt it.
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How about we just wait and see ?.
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he rubbish himself.
How fans of the same football clubs have different views.
A Man Utd fan I was talking to today says he will be a great signing for us.
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my mates a villa fan and took the right p155 out of me when we signed Lukaku
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my mates a villa fan and took the right p155 out of me when we signed Lukaku
No surprise there then ;D
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I dont know who I would rather have Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Bebe, or Darren fletcher????
None of the above.
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Yet somehow he played nearly 200 games for Yanited and won a barrow load of medals !
As I said, it's easy to look good when there are world class players around you.
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Dont forget someone who is considered 'rubbish' for United could easily be good enough for us. Similarly Berahino is comfortably our best player but wouldnt get in Utds best 11, im sure most of there fans would be underwhelmed by him as a signing right now but that doesnt mean hes nit good enough for us. Just like how Lukaku was a monster for us but not worth a place in Chelseas 25 man squad.
Also I know 2 types of Utd fans. I've recently moved from Brighton to Manchester, and your 'proper' utd fan tend to be some of the most knowledgeable. The 'average' utd fan is an idiot who knows next to nothing and condiders pretty much everyone 'rubbish'
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My mate is a united fan, says it all doesnt it.
Actually from Manchester. :P
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Dont forget someone who is considered 'rubbish' for United could easily be good enough for us. Similarly Berahino is comfortably our best player but wouldnt get in Utds best 11, im sure most of there fans would be underwhelmed by him as a signing right now but that doesnt mean hes nit good enough for us. Just like how Lukaku was a monster for us but not worth a place in Chelseas 25 man squad.
Also I know 2 types of Utd fans. I've recently moved from Brighton to Manchester, and your 'proper' utd fan tend to be some of the most knowledgeable. The 'average' utd fan is an idiot who knows next to nothing and condiders pretty much everyone 'rubbish'
Great point, well made.
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As I said, it's easy to look good when there are world class players around you.
True, but it's also easy to look average if you're a good player surrounded by world class players.
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There have been plenty of players over the years that have looked distinctly average if not down right rubbish for United and had excellent careers elsewhere. If I remember right he was fairly impressive in his loan spells at Sunderland when he was younger.
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he rubbish himself.
He has been brought up the right way, the Fergie way and would improve what we have already got.
He may not be a glamour signing (ala McAuley) but would more than likely give us value for money (ala McAuley).
I would trust the career records of both Fletcher and Evans over the opinion of yet another arrogant United supporter, who let's face it, have been rather spoilt over the years?
We have never been in a position during the PL era to turn our noses up at Manchester United "rejects"...!
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He has been brought up the right way, the Fergie way and would improve what we have already got.
He may not be a glamour signing (ala McAuley) but would more than likely give us value for money (ala McAuley).
I would trust the career records of both Fletcher and Evans over the opinion of yet another arrogant United supporter, who let's face it, have been rather spoilt over the years?
We have never been in a position during the PL era to turn our noses up at Manchester United "rejects"...!
First of all, there are more players who have been bought through the United system under Fergie and failed than have been a success. Robbie Savage? Keith Gillespie? And those are two of the better ones. Luke Steele anyone?
And I find it funny that a lot of you are making assumptions about my mate simply because he doesn't agree with you, and based on who he supports. He knows how good and how bad their players are, and the amount he watches them, I would back his opinion.
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I have a friend who's a United fan and reckons Evans was very good a couple of years ago but got injured and lost a bit of form since.
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First of all, there are more players who have been bought through the United system under Fergie and failed than have been a success. Robbie Savage? Keith Gillespie? And those are two of the better ones. Luke Steele anyone?
And I find it funny that a lot of you are making assumptions about my mate simply because he doesn't agree with you, and based on who he supports. He knows how good and how bad their players are, and the amount he watches them, I would back his opinion.
But how many times did Fergie play these 3, if Fergie did not rate you, you did not play or last long at man utd
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I heard a figure of £12 million mentioned by United in the media today. I would resent contributing to his fee through my money on the turnstiles, even if it was half that amount. My last memory of seeing him on tv was when he was highlighted in a defensive blunder.
Anyway, I think everyone is surrounded by hype at Man U. And for all their arrogance, they never managed to beat little WBA last season.
But my main point is, is he much better than Lescott, Olsson, McCauley and Dawson?
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he rubbish himself.
Evans didn't cost United anything and they paid 20 mill for Phil Jones, Jones is no better. There have been way worse players for Utd than Evans.
Veron for 28 mill, Diego Forlan and Anderson were great too...
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But how many times did Fergie play these 3, if Fergie did not rate you, you did not play or last long at man utd
But they were all 'bought up the right way'. So obviously every player left United and went on to great success, simply because they had that superior breeding.
Chris Casper
John O'Kane
Ben Thornley
Terry Cooke
All 'bought up the right way'. Doesn't mean they were good enough.
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Evans didn't cost United anything and they paid 20 mill for Phil Jones, Jones is no better. There have been way worse players for Utd than Evans.
Veron for 28 mill, Diego Forlan and Anderson were great too...
Look at Veron and Forlan's records outside this country; top class. I think their lack of success in this country speaks more for our game than it does for their ability.
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But they were all 'bought up the right way'. So obviously every player left United and went on to great success, simply because they had that superior breeding.
Chris Casper
John O'Kane
Ben Thornley
Terry Cooke
All 'bought up the right way'. Doesn't mean they were good enough.
I agree, but Evans would not of played if not good enough
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First of all, there are more players who have been bought through the United system under Fergie and failed than have been a success. Robbie Savage? Keith Gillespie? And those are two of the better ones. Luke Steele anyone?
And I find it funny that a lot of you are making assumptions about my mate simply because he doesn't agree with you, and based on who he supports. He knows how good and how bad their players are, and the amount he watches them, I would back his opinion.
But Fletcher and Evans made about 200 appearances between them under Fergie who did not suffer fools gladly?
If it's all the same to you I think I'll back his opinion over your unarrogant mate who would not expect any payment for a 27 year old defender who has played Premier League and International football for a number of years now...
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Jonny Evans for £5m would be a brilliant signing. Better than Fazio IMO. Also, with GMac & Brunty, gives us a NI defence!
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Phil Neville went to Everton and had an excellent second half to his career.
Would welcome the same of Evans at WBA.
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Ferguson had a choice of Jonny Evans, Gerard Pique and Ryan Shawcross, Evans was the man chosen to stay at the club for the long term .
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Look at Veron and Forlan's records outside this country; top class. I think their lack of success in this country speaks more for our game than it does for their ability.
The question was about evans being a terrible player for Utd. Veron and Forlan etc. were way worse for Utd.
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Ferguson had a choice of Jonny Evans, Gerard Pique and Ryan Shawcross, Evans was the man chosen to stay at the club for the long term .
Blimey, maybe he WAS clueless after all :-X
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Because he plays for Manchester United, every little thing he does on the pitch is highlighted and analysed, especially mistakes. People who don't rate him are focusing or the two or three occasions where he has made a significant mistake which has been intensely highlighted and talked about. Nobody remembers the other 98% of matches he has played for Manchester United where he has been rock steady and not done anything wrong. He is a class player,more than worthy of a place in our back four, a good honest pro too who will give us 100% if he signs.
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The biggest question is "is he better than McAuley, Olsson and Dawson?" The answer is yes.
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He will be as popular as GMac, just give him time
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The biggest question is "is he better than McAuley, Olsson and Dawson?" The answer is yes.
For all the debate that has followed this signing, this is the most important point. It's all about improvement.
Fans of the top 4 naturally have skewed opinions, some will not acknowledge that a player can be good if they are not Champions league quality. To me, Evans fits into the O'Shea/Gibson/Fletcher type category, he will be a good signing but he is not good enough for Man Utd, and there is no shame in that at all.
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Can I just a mention 2 names? O'shea and wes brown
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Jonny Evans is a class above Brown and O'Shea hence why they were sold and he wasn't.
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Someone mentioned the Lukaku game, the 5 all. We never got near United until they brought on Scholes who had frankly a shocker, to blame that collapse on Evans is laughable in itself. We were 5-2 down and getting schooled when Scholes was introduced on 69 minutes, from then on Mulumbu bossed the midfield, we had the foresight to take Long off on 79 minutes :P which produced 2 goals two minutes later and an equaliser a further 5 minutes later. Lukaku should arguably have got himself a 4th and a famous win.
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Evans is such an under rated defender, would be a terrific signing, Ferguson trusted him in some massive games and he rarely put a foot wrong, a modern day Steve Bruce.
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I'm in the sign him up camp on this one.
better than Fazio who we were going to spend the pennies on IMO.
better than our aging aged C-H trio also.
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I have a bit of bias here, but would be very happy with this.
Be good for furthering the Albion interest in Northern Ireland too. Know a good few who look out for the results because of Brunt and McAuley.
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Any news on where this is atm?
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John Percy @John__Percy
#mufc defender Jonny Evans is having a medical at West Brom tonight. Joleon Lescott now likely to join #avfc before Tuesday's deadline #wba
Laurie Whitwell @lauriewhitwell
Jonny Evans set for #wba medical tonight, clearing path for Joleon Lescott to seal switch to #avfc. More at @MailSport
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Brilliant signing!
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I have a bit of bias here, but would be very happy with this.
Be good for furthering the Albion interest in Northern Ireland too. Know a good few who look out for the results because of Brunt and McAuley.
nice one
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Brilliant signing!
Don't curse us you plonker. We've had about 3 people have medicals and not sign so far.
I will trust in his record and hope he's used as an actual CB. But yes, depending on how much we pay and how much we get for Joleon, it's a good upgrade.
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I will trust in his record and hope he's used as an actual CB. But yes, depending on how much we pay and how much we get for Joleon, it's a good upgrade.
Albeit that, as was posted earlier, Evans doesn't much like playing on the left side of the central defensive pairing.
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Don't curse us you plonker. We've had about 3 people have medicals and not sign so far.
I will trust in his record and hope he's used as an actual CB. But yes, depending on how much we pay and how much we get for Joleon, it's a good upgrade.
True, but I think this is Pulis' top target so he probably won't be allowed to leave the building without having signed on the dotted line ;D
About the same standard as Lescott but 6 years younger!!!
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John Percy @John__Percy
#mufc defender Jonny Evans is having a medical at West Brom tonight. Joleon Lescott now likely to join #avfc before Tuesday's deadline #wba
Laurie Whitwell @lauriewhitwell
Jonny Evans set for #wba medical tonight, clearing path for Joleon Lescott to seal switch to #avfc. More at @MailSport
Any switch to villa is a seal switch ;D
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True, but I think this is Pulis' top target so he probably won't be allowed to leave the building without having signed on the dotted line ;D
About the same standard as Lescott but 6 years younger!!!
just not happy that we may be strengthening villa..
Would they take Anichibe as well, as that would make me feel better!!
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Albeit that, as was posted earlier, Evans doesn't much like playing on the left side of the central defensive pairing.
Whether players get to play in their 1st choice position isn't something I'm going to worry much about. If the average defence as of October or so is
Brunt Evans Chester Dawson or Brunt Evans GMac Chester
Or something like that, then I'll be happy enough. TP does not sign nor want traditional FBs, so lets give up on that one.
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Whether players get to play in their 1st choice position isn't something I'm going to worry much about. If the average defence as of October or so is
Brunt Evans Chester Dawson or Brunt Evans GMac Chester
Or something like that, then I'll be happy enough. TP does not sign nor want traditional FBs, so lets give up on that one.
Brunt plays full back for Northern Ireland and seems Chester played right back for Hull a few times last season so neither unfamiliar with the roles.
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Whether players get to play in their 1st choice position isn't something I'm going to worry much about. If the average defence as of October or so is
Brunt Evans Chester Dawson or Brunt Evans GMac Chester
Or something like that, then I'll be happy enough. TP does not sign nor want traditional FBs, so lets give up on that one.
May as well re-sign Baird and call ourselves West Northern Ireland with that back three. I think there's definite advantages to having players who are also international team mates, will make Evans slot-in hopefully.
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Albeit that, as was posted earlier, Evans doesn't much like playing on the left side of the central defensive pairing.
The limitations of edited clips aside, he looks reasonably comfortable with either foot though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzWxMZSRv9g
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Must be match fit...straight in against Stoke please TP...With Chester..Dawson and Brunt for me...
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Must be match fit...straight in against Stoke please TP...With Chester..Dawson and Brunt for me...
Won't be available tomorrow unless we signed him before midday today.
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He's a very good player, he'll probably be the best centre back to have played for us in many a year. People have a tendency to underrate just how good players like Evans are. It's like how you get people thinking Phil Jones is useless. The same Phil Jones who was a class above Blackburn teammates as a teenager. Unless injuries or age are a factor, players from clubs like Man U are way above the quality of players we usually get. Look at how Ben Foster was a nervous wreck for Man U and yet has won player of the year twice for us and is generally regarded as one of our best ever keepers.
Still think a central midfielder is our key concern though. But I really don't understand the negativity some have towards genuine quality like Evans.
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They guy has been at Utd for Eight years. You do not stay at a club like that for that long if you are not good enough.
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O' Shea and Brown were both at United for years but have been to varying degrees awful at Sunderland. In general I don't like taking players being recycled from the top clubs they cost a fortune in wages and many never seem to get over the fact that they aren't at a big club anymore.
I cannot get excited about Evans at all and given that Lescott was a class apart last season and it looks likes he is going I am not sure we have made a net gain here.
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Which side does Evans play for N.I ?
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O' Shea and Brown were both at United for years but have been to varying degrees awful at Sunderland. In general I don't like taking players being recycled from the top clubs they cost a fortune in wages and many never seem to get over the fact that they aren't at a big club anymore.
I cannot get excited about Evans at all and given that Lescott was a class apart last season and it looks likes he is going I am not sure we have made a net gain here.
Take your point mate, but the problem is Lescott doesnt want to be here anymore. I believe Evans will be a good replacement.
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O' Shea and Brown were both at United for years but have been to varying degrees awful at Sunderland. In general I don't like taking players being recycled from the top clubs they cost a fortune in wages and many never seem to get over the fact that they aren't at a big club anymore.
I cannot get excited about Evans at all and given that Lescott was a class apart last season and it looks likes he is going I am not sure we have made a net gain here.
Is there a contradiction " taking players recycled from the top clubs ..... i.e. Lescott then you say Lescott was a class apart last season. Who's to say Evans won't be like Lescott?
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Is there a contradiction " taking players recycled from the top clubs ..... i.e. Lescott then you say Lescott was a class apart last season. Who's to say Evans won't be like Lescott?
You are doubtless forgetting that Lescott had the humblest of beginnings.
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United fan here....go easy on the abuse ;)
I think yeah getting an excellent player and in a sense I'm very disappointed to see him go. On form, he's still the best defender we have. There was a time when we set the record for clean-sheets that he was arguably our best defender. He's an excellent passer and very good reader of the game. I think he'll do very well.
For the last 18 months for us, his confidence has been shot to pieces. He would be just returning to form and either get an injury setback or suspended. The spitting with Cisse was the final straw with LVG. He was actually coming back to form before that as well.
All-in-all, you're getting an excellent defender for a decent price. We are offloading a player who has been a great servant but is no longer in the managers plans. I really like Jonny and hope he does well for you guys.
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United fan here....go easy on the abuse ;)
I think yeah getting an excellent player and in a sense I'm very disappointed to see him go. On form, he's still the best defender we have. There was a time when we set the record for clean-sheets that he was arguably our best defender. He's an excellent passer and very good reader of the game. I think he'll do very well.
For the last 18 months for us, his confidence has been shot to pieces. He would be just returning to form and either get an injury setback or suspended. The spitting with Cisse was the final straw with LVG. He was actually coming back to form before that as well.
All-in-all, you're getting an excellent defender for a decent price. We are offloading a player who has been a great servant but is no longer in the managers plans. I really like Jonny and hope he does well for you guys.
Thanks for that. Can't understand the negativity towards him to be honest. Massive improvement on what we have.
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O' Shea and Brown were both at United for years but have been to varying degrees awful at Sunderland. In general I don't like taking players being recycled from the top clubs they cost a fortune in wages and many never seem to get over the fact that they aren't at a big club anymore.
I cannot get excited about Evans at all and given that Lescott was a class apart last season and it looks likes he is going I am not sure we have made a net gain here.
Wes Brown was very highly rated by Sunderland fans. Then he spent an entire season out injured and age seemed to catch up with him. O'Shea they seem to like. Though again he is getting on.
I'd think Jonny Evans at 27 has a good few years left yet.
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United fan here....go easy on the abuse ;)
I think yeah getting an excellent player and in a sense I'm very disappointed to see him go. On form, he's still the best defender we have. There was a time when we set the record for clean-sheets that he was arguably our best defender. He's an excellent passer and very good reader of the game. I think he'll do very well.
For the last 18 months for us, his confidence has been shot to pieces. He would be just returning to form and either get an injury setback or suspended. The spitting with Cisse was the final straw with LVG. He was actually coming back to form before that as well.
All-in-all, you're getting an excellent defender for a decent price. We are offloading a player who has been a great servant but is no longer in the managers plans. I really like Jonny and hope he does well for you guys.
Thanks for that do you know anything about the young lad who we may take on loan Blackett.
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Thanks for that do you know anything about the young lad who we may take on loan Blackett.
Reports today he's off to Celtic on loan?
Can't see him making it at United. He was thrown in last season when there was an injury crisis at the back and we persisted with 3-5-2. Doubt he would have gotten a run in normal circumstances. I don't think he'll be here in two years, I'll put it that way. I reckon he could go on to be a very good PL defender. He can play left-back and is left-footed as well so that's a bonus for a left sided centre half. Of the young defenders we have at the club, McNair is the best.
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Take your point mate, but the problem is Lescott doesnt want to be here anymore. I believe Evans will be a good replacement.
Totally accept that if Lescott wants to move on nothing much to argue about but still leaves us a defender short given that Chester and or Dawson are quite likely to be full backs unless the answer is Olsson and on his recent showings I hope not.
With regard of taking the players recycled from the bigger clubs. Notice I said in general I don't like taking them because for the money (in wages if not fees) they are often a disappointment. I probably said much the same about Lescott who didn't disappoint but I still think the on balance the buying club usually gets a poor deal.
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Wes Brown was very highly rated by Sunderland fans. Then he spent an entire season out injured and age seemed to catch up with him. O'Shea they seem to like. Though again he is getting on.
I'd think Jonny Evans at 27 has a good few years left yet.
Neither Brown nor O'Shea came anywhere near the level of performance Evans did at his peak. He was touted as our future captain only three years ago. Keep faith in him and watch his confidence grow, he'd be a huge asset to any club in the league.
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I'm suddenly becoming optimistic about this season, after all.
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Can't believe some comments honestly. He's not rio or vidic but he was not going to get much playing time with those two in front of him. Yet when he did he done well. If your a united fan then you would want the rio vidic partnership all the time that's why he got a bit of stick there .
At United he was part of a defense that set a record run of clean sheets and was in running to be captain. Of man united .
We get him here , at 27 his peak. And it's not good enough ?
When did us baggies get so arrogant?
Excellent signing for me
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At £6mil its a decent deal if we get £2mil for Lescott. Wages will be about the same so its a much better deal than the £10-12mil that was being banded about.
Can't say its a transfer that excites me but for a club our level it should, on paper, be a good signing for the fee.
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We're West Bromwich Albion ... What would excite you ??
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Thanks for that. Can't understand the negativity towards him to be honest. Massive improvement on what we have.
we could sign Messi and there would be negativity on here. i'm sure some supporters would be happier being chelsea fans where they can have 60m+ signings every window.
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does anybody know if terms have been agreed before the medical?
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Yes love reading the opinions on here and the glass is always half full. So what defender should we have gone for then??
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United fan here....go easy on the abuse ;)
I think yeah getting an excellent player and in a sense I'm very disappointed to see him go. On form, he's still the best defender we have. There was a time when we set the record for clean-sheets that he was arguably our best defender. He's an excellent passer and very good reader of the game. I think he'll do very well.
For the last 18 months for us, his confidence has been shot to pieces. He would be just returning to form and either get an injury setback or suspended. The spitting with Cisse was the final straw with LVG. He was actually coming back to form before that as well.
All-in-all, you're getting an excellent defender for a decent price. We are offloading a player who has been a great servant but is no longer in the managers plans. I really like Jonny and hope he does well for you guys.
Nice one peter :D
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he rubbish himself.
United fan here....go easy on the abuse ;)
I think yeah getting an excellent player and in a sense I'm very disappointed to see him go. On form, he's still the best defender we have. There was a time when we set the record for clean-sheets that he was arguably our best defender. He's an excellent passer and very good reader of the game. I think he'll do very well.
For the last 18 months for us, his confidence has been shot to pieces. He would be just returning to form and either get an injury setback or suspended. The spitting with Cisse was the final straw with LVG. He was actually coming back to form before that as well.
All-in-all, you're getting an excellent defender for a decent price. We are offloading a player who has been a great servant but is no longer in the managers plans. I really like Jonny and hope he does well for you guys.
Football is all about opinions and there we have both ends of the spectrum from actual Manchester Untied supporters...as previously stated I would suggest that may he would offer us value for money and improve our backline (ala McAuley a few years ago)
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Totally accept that if Lescott wants to move on nothing much to argue about but still leaves us a defender short given that Chester and or Dawson are quite likely to be full backs unless the answer is Olsson and on his recent showings I hope not.
With regard of taking the players recycled from the bigger clubs. Notice I said in general I don't like taking them because for the money (in wages if not fees) they are often a disappointment. I probably said much the same about Lescott who didn't disappoint but I still think the on balance the buying club usually gets a poor deal.
Fair comment Standaman. Jonas has been a great servant for us, but his time is up unfortunately.
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does anybody know if terms have been agreed before the medical?
They usually are. As I understand it, the problem with Fazio was that he agreed terms, came for the medical and then tried to change them afterwards. Diaby agreed them, had a medical and then got a last minute chance to go elsewhere.
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A real coup in my eyes, just hope he is paired with Chester.
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I think thats what we will see Pulis just needed an experienced player with him that wasnt heading to or over the hill.
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Yes love reading the opinions on here and the glass is always half full. So what defender should we have gone for then??
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=14239.0
Thats the topic for suggestions. If some want to be negative they are allowed to do so. There's nothing in the forum rules which says people HAVE to be positive all the while or negative all the while so can you cut the comments towards others please, a few have already been removed and any others will be also.
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Has he had his medical and has he signed yet?
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I get to an extent, some of the negativity, after all we are buying someone who is "out of favour" at his current club
But
We really have to get a hold of ourselves if we think that we are better than Chester / Evans , I think they will become the best CB partnership we have had in decades, TP is certainly the right man to get that partnership going.
The only reason I don't like Evans ,is the punch on Rosenberg in the famous 5-5
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Waste of money that we don't even need
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Great signing if it comes off. He is a clear upgrade on Olsson and 27 meaning he has a good 5 years at premier level left.
Lescott will only get slower / worse. Good managers spot the turning point in players (Fergie was good at that).
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Waste of money that we don't even need
What! I think we are horribly thin defensively.
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Happy enough with evans but would have preferred a full back
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Waste of money that we don't even need
have you been watching the same games as me?
defensively we have been really poor, we NEED someone like this guy in our back line
lets just hope he plays in the right position and can form a partnership with chester as the 2 cb's
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I get to an extent, some of the negativity, after all we are buying someone who is "out of favour" at his current club
But
We really have to get a hold of ourselves if we think that we are better than Chester / Evans , I think they will become the best CB partnership we have had in decades, TP is certainly the right man to get that partnership going.
The only reason I don't like Evans ,is the punch on Rosenberg in the famous 5-5
On paper, if we get the in form Evans, we will make a solid signing. He has good size, good experience and is a desperately needed reinforcement for our over the hill cb's. Also he should do well in a Pulisball team where he is quite protected and can focus on getting the ball away. Not sure we will get to see Chester at cb though.
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I think
Dawson Chester Evans Brunt
Looks like a very good defensive line
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I think
Dawson Chester Evans Brunt
Looks like a very good defensive line
I totally agree. Although a keeper playing behind them might be useful 😀😀
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A few years back, Evans was on loan at Sunderland and this is what their fans think:
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/jonny-evans.1125642/ (http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/jonny-evans.1125642/)
I've been on that forum before, and they have massively high expectations so to see the majority being so envious of the signing is promising. One even said we had 'ambition' :o
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Tony Pulis has agreed a £4million dealfor Manchester United defender Jonny Evans and is ready for a “crucial few days†in the transfer window as he prepares for his first return to Stoke City.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11832003/West-Bromwich-Albion-complete-Jonny-Evans-signing-from-Manchester-United.html
+£2m addons mentioned. Absolute insane deal if true. What a bargain.
Very reliable source in John Percy
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Tony Pulis has agreed a £4million dealfor Manchester United defender Jonny Evans and is ready for a “crucial few days†in the transfer window as he prepares for his first return to Stoke City.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11832003/West-Bromwich-Albion-complete-Jonny-Evans-signing-from-Manchester-United.html
+£2m addons mentioned. Absolute insane deal if true. What a bargain.
Agreed with Man U. but has he agreed to sign?
Has he signed?
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Yes great business, bet TP doesn't sleep between now and Tuesday. Another 3 deals of this quality would be fantastic
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Agreed with Man U. but has he agreed to sign?
Has he signed?
Not officially no, need wait till tomorrow. Telegraph seem confident its done though.
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So worth £4 million plus add ons more than Lescott? Sorry, can't see it.
What I'm most irritated about is all this concentration on centre backs, when we are crying out for wing backs. Someone else to pump the ball 40 metres up the pitch . To Who??
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So worth £4 million plus add ons more than Lescott? Sorry, can't see it.
What I'm most irritated about is all this concentration on centre backs, when we are crying out for wing backs. Someone else to pump the ball 40 metres up the pitch . To Who??
I'm looking forward to watching some of Joleon's appearances for the seals this season - if he gets any (I've got a feeling that he isn't the best trainer in the premier league).
As for wing backs? Have you ever come across Mr Pulis?
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Solid signing at £4million and good value for money. I expect Olson, McCauley and Lescot gone by this time next year so the amount of CB's won't appear so unbalanced.
Would love to see us sign some full backs though!
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So worth £4 million plus add ons more than Lescott? Sorry, can't see it.
What I'm most irritated about is all this concentration on centre backs, when we are crying out for wing backs. Someone else to pump the ball 40 metres up the pitch . To Who??
Talk is Evans for £4m plus a potential £2m in add ons.
Lescott rumoured to be off for £1.5-2m. Lescott is 33 and Evans is 27. Also post February - for me Lescott tailed off. In "football years" he's much older than Gareth McAuley for example.
Evans a solid signing for WBA.
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I think
Dawson Chester Evans Brunt
Looks like a very good defensive line
A centre back at right back and a left midfielder at left back, two brand new centre backs that need time to learn to play together.
You seem more convinced than me.
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A centre back at right back and a left midfielder at left back, two brand new centre backs that need time to learn to play together.
You seem more convinced than me.
A fair point but we all knew this would be a season of transition.
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A centre back at right back and a left midfielder at left back, two brand new centre backs that need time to learn to play together. You seem more convinced than me
Nowhere is it written that players can't switch positions successfully. Years ago, we signed John Kaye as a centre-forward but he went on to become one of the best centre-halves we've ever had.
Both Chris Brunt and Craig Dawson have adapted well to the full-back roles, while James Chester played right-back and right-sided centre-back in a back three and a back four at Hull. How well they play rather than where they play is the important thing.
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Nowhere is it written that players can't switch positions successfully. Years ago, we signed John Kaye as a centre-forward but he went on to become one of the best centre-halves we've ever had.
Both Chris Brunt and Craig Dawson have adapted well to the full-back roles, while James Chester played right-back and right-sided centre-back in a back three and a back four at Hull. How well they play rather than where they play is the important thing.
Great point about John Kaye. He was actually in the original squad of forty for the 1966 World Cup as a centre forward, that's how good he was! After he switched during our 1968 cup run he became, as you said, one of the very best centre halves we have ever had.
Nothing to say that Pulis can't achieve the same success with our current crop. Though to be fair they probably aren't as good as Kaye was to begin with.
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Great point about John Kaye. He was actually in the original squad of forty for the 1966 World Cup as a centre forward, that's how good he was! After he switched during our 1968 cup run he became, as you said, one of the very best centre halves we have ever had.
Nothing to say that Pulis can't achieve the same success with our current crop. Though to be fair they probably aren't as good as Kaye was to begin with.
Very good player, and hard as nails too. Would have suited TP down to the ground.
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Very good player, and hard as nails too. Would have suited TP down to the ground.
Hard as nails? Wasn't he just, and yes, Pulis would have loved him.
Mind you I remember Ashman playing at right back against the Wolves at our place one time. Wagstaffe absolutely ran him ragged.
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Nowhere is it written that players can't switch positions successfully. Years ago, we signed John Kaye as a centre-forward but he went on to become one of the best centre-halves we've ever had.
Both Chris Brunt and Craig Dawson have adapted well to the full-back roles, while James Chester played right-back and right-sided centre-back in a back three and a back four at Hull. How well they play rather than where they play is the important thing.
Great point, and Doug Fraser moved from centre to right back with great success. Position changes have always happened, Gordon Nesbit started as a Goalkeeper and ended up a decent right back for us in the early 70's
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Hard as nails? Wasn't he just, and yes, Pulis would have loved him.
Mind you I remember Ashman playing at right back against the Wolves at our place one time. Wagstaffe absolutely ran him ragged.
Ashman played right back? When?
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Ashman played right back? When?
My mistake, I meant to say that Ashman played John Kaye at right back.
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Has he actually signed yet?
Many a slip betwixt cup and lip.
Everton could nip in and then it is goodbye Jonny.
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Has he actually signed yet?
Many a slip betwixt cup and lip.
Everton could nip in and then it is goodbye Jonny.
That's it DB keep trying to depress us. ;)
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No news about the medical, surely not a lets discuss terms after again!
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was he watching today more like :)
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He will be stalling over the relegation clause if he watched today's game ;D
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Hope to have it done and dusted tonight or tomorrow morning.
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Official.
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-evans-signs-manchester-united-2656440.aspx
"Defender pens four-year deal"
"JONNY Evans has completed his move to Albion from Manchester United.
The 27-year-old, who signs for an undisclosed fee, penned a four-year deal after undergoing a medical at Albion's training ground last night.
Evans, a Northern Ireland international, made 196 appearances in all competitions during his spell at Old Trafford.
Head coach Tony Pulis said: "This is a great signing for the club.
"Jonny brings a lot of experience and will be a big player for us - he's a player I've been watching for some time.
"We are delighted to have him on board."
Evans is already well-known to several Albion players.
His neighbour and close friend is current Baggies captain Darren Fletcher, with James Chester and Ben Foster among his former United team-mates.
He is also an international colleague of Chris Brunt and Gareth McAuley.
"I hope to push the Albion up the League," said Evans.
"It's a new, fresh challenge for me. One I'm looking forward to.
"I know a few of the lads already and I spoke to a couple, who highy recommended the club."
Evans spent eight years at Manchester United, coming through the club's hugely successful Academy through the first-team.
Regarded as having an ice-cool capacity for handling pressure, Evans made 17 appearances for the Reds last season.
Before establishing himself in the United side, Evans also spent a loan spell with Belgian club Royal Antwerp and two temporary stints with Sunderland, back in 2006/07 and 2008.
The versatile defender - who can play through the centre or in either full-back position - has 42 caps for his country."
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Welcome Jonny, best of luck with your Albion career. :)
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Last paragraph. The versatile defender can play centre back or in EITHER full back position. :-X
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Good signing, pleased with this.
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Very happy with this. Evans is a very good defender and should excel under Pulis.
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Last paragraph. The versatile defender can play centre back or in EITHER full back position. :-X
Meet our new lb...
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Welcome to the madhouse Jonny :D
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welcome Johnny boy see you on the wings :)
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Last paragraph. The versatile defender can play centre back or in EITHER full back position. :-X
Please no.
Dawson and Brunt at full back positions. Chester and Evans at CB.
PLEASE TONY!
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For 4 mill a no brainer. Love the over-reaction to 8-12 million from other fans :)
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Chester and Evans would be one of the best centre back pairings in the premier outside the top 6. Let's just hope we get that. Though I suspect from the treatment of Chester so far that won't be the case.
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welcome to the baggies Jonny
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Chester and Evans would be one of the best centre back pairings in the premier outside the top 6. Let's just hope we get that. Though I suspect from the treatment of Chester so far that won't be the case.
To be honest I would go with McAuley and Evans purely as they already know each other and have played together many times for Northern Ireland
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Good signing.
Lets hope he plays where he had always played not at left or right back.
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Although I'm happy with the signing I will reserve judgement on him till he has settled in.
Some rate him others don't, personally I'm on the fence with him.
Think he brings great experience for a 27 year old and knows a lot of the squad already so thats a plus already.
Good luck to him and welcome to the club Jonny
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Happy with this. Experience and an upgrade in age and potential on Lescott.
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A very good signing, the bloke still has a lot of hunger.
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Welcome to the club!
Just hope you don't spend your games watching from the bench like a certain other expensive defender. Or on the right wing perhaps.
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Welcome Jonny, should be a good piece of business this.
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Like how on the official statement online the club say he can play centre back and in either full back position. Chortle.
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Like how on the official statement online the club say he can play centre back and in either full back position. Chortle.
Is he any good in goal!! ;D
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A snippet from Roy Keane's second autobiography;
"Jonny was a centre-half. He had the qualities of a Manchester United player, and he was bringing them to Sunderland. For such a young man - he was nineteen - he was very mature, and a born leader. Jonny was unbelievable for us. He lived with his mam and dad in Sale near my home, so I picked him up there and brought him up to see the set-up at Sunderland.
I knew I was on a winner; I knew him, and I knew what he was about. I remembered an incident when I was still at United; there'd been a fight in the canteen and Jonny had looked after himself well - I think he knocked the other lad out. I knew Jonny was tough."
;D
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Could be great signing but my fear, as always, is whether these type of signings can adapt to playing alongside lesser players.
What i mean is he has been used to vidic and evra and now he'll be alongside brunt and olly.
I love olly but he cannot pass water.
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This has been signed up pretty much the last week. Welcome jonny! Let's hope for a couple of more.
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Good signing on the face of if. Let's hope he's been brought in as a starter and not to warm the bench like Chester.
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Welcome to the club!
Just hope you don't spend your games watching from the bench like a certain other expensive defender. Or on the right wing perhaps.
What ? the certain other expensive defender who is injured ?
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What ? the certain other expensive defender who is injured ?
That's the one. You think he would have started the game had he not been injured?
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That's the one. You think he would have started the game had he not been injured?
I'm certain he would have played left back.
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What ? the certain other expensive defender who is injured ?
Care to explain why we've had an injured player on the bench then over fit defenders?
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Could be great signing but my fear, as always, is whether these type of signings can adapt to playing alongside lesser players.
What i mean is he has been used to vidic and evra and now he'll be alongside brunt and olly.
I love olly but he cannot pass water.
Brunt & McCauley, surely? NI international back line.
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Welcome to The Hawthorns Jonny. Has the pedigree and experience to make a real difference to our side.
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Champions league, international, and top-level premier league experience.
Definitely an improvement on what we have.
And as I've said previously, if he can have as god a second half to his career as Phil Neville did at Everton, £6m will be an absolute steal.
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Fergie On Evans in 2012 when he was 24
Sir Alex Ferguson now rates the 24-year-old as "arguably the best defender in the country".
''Jonny Evans has always had fantastic ability, even as a kid. He was very talented as a boy when he came over here from Ireland at 12 years of age. We were never quite sure if he was going to be a midfield player or a centre-back – he was exceptionally talented but gangly with physical issues growing up. We had him out on loan with Antwerp and Sunderland and now we are seeing the value of nurturing him. With his height and pace and ability on the ball, he is really outstanding."
"I don't know what the fans thought but there were never any doubts in my mind about Evans. He had a period of a few injuries but he has toughened up now, he's done a lot of work in the gymnasium and he's 24 years of age. He's been a top player for us this year. There is no doubt he has been helped playing alongside the experience of Rio and he is now arguably the best defender in the country''
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A very good bit of business in my book. A top quality defender who could feature in our side for several years and will increase our mobilliity at the back.
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Solid signing. Plenty expierance and still got the legs
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I think initially the backline will be:
Dawson McAuley Evans Brunt
Dawson is playing very well at right back, Brunt is adapting very well to left back, McAuley is in a fight to keep his place, but, with the pace of Evans along side him, Chester may have to wait a while.
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Welcome Jonny, quality signing IMO. COYB
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Fergie On Evans in 2012 when he was 24
Sir Alex Ferguson now rates the 24-year-old as "arguably the best defender in the country".
''Jonny Evans has always had fantastic ability, even as a kid. He was very talented as a boy when he came over here from Ireland at 12 years of age. We were never quite sure if he was going to be a midfield player or a centre-back – he was exceptionally talented but gangly with physical issues growing up. We had him out on loan with Antwerp and Sunderland and now we are seeing the value of nurturing him. With his height and pace and ability on the ball, he is really outstanding."
"I don't know what the fans thought but there were never any doubts in my mind about Evans. He had a period of a few injuries but he has toughened up now, he's done a lot of work in the gymnasium and he's 24 years of age. He's been a top player for us this year. There is no doubt he has been helped playing alongside the experience of Rio and he is now arguably the best defender in the country''
That would be the same Sir Alex that spewed it all over the press that 'Ronnie Wallwork was the best Bosman signing this year?'
Only jiking.
Welcome John, hope you know were not Man U
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Pretty good fan base building in Northern Ireland i hear :)
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Flip flopped on this one but watched his interview, seems a decent guy. Lets hope this is the start of a proper solid back line because, lets be honest, for all our clean sheets its still looking a bit nervy back there.
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Flip flopped on this one but watched his interview, seems a decent guy. Lets hope this is the start of a proper solid back line because, lets be honest, for all our clean sheets its still looking a bit nervy back there.
There is one easy way to solve the "looking nervy back there'' issue, simply don't play Olsson.
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Welcome to The Hawthorns Jonny, i hope your stay with us is a long & prosperous one.
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Cracking signing. Welcome to the Hawthorns Jonny!
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Good move Mr Evans! 8)
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Watched the United defeat today...There 2 Centre Backs were dreadful...watched Evans at the end of last season and he was miles better than either of them today...VG will be gone before long...think JP has pulled off another masterstroke getting JE....now sell SB to United and buy Phillips..😊
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Pretty good fan base building in Northern Ireland i hear :)
Do they like McClean? :o ;D
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There is one easy way to solve the "looking nervy back there'' issue, simply don't play Olsson.
Won't Olsson be LB if Lescott leaves?
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Won't Olsson be LB if Lescott leaves?
No Brunt will be left back. But don't forget as with all of our other centre half's Evans can play as a full back
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No Brunt will be left back. But don't forget as with all of our other centre half's Evans can play as a full back
Brunt is injured though, so are you saying Evans is now our back up LB?
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Do they like McClean? :o ;D
Naughty. 8)
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£8m for a downgrade on Lescott.
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£8m for a downgrade on Lescott.
I really don't get the love in with Lescott - he's even slower than Olsson and GMac FFS
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£8m for a downgrade on Lescott.
Lescott is 33, with dodgy knees.
I think he's played well for us, but we need to stop with the short term attitude. Evans should hopefully give us 3/4 years. Lest another 1 if we're lucky.
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£8m for a downgrade on Lescott.
At the same time you could say you've paid £6m to swap a player with 1 maybe 2 seasons left for a player who has 7 or 8 seasons left.
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Welcome to the club Johnny boy.
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Really happy with this signing - he'll fit the Pulis mould expertly - nothing fancy, just a solid defender in an organised back four.
He has a good partnership with Gareth McAuley too - heaven knows Northern Ireland miss him when he isn't there. A very good defender and composed footballer too.
Well done Albion. Well done.
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Has he been issued a squad number yet?
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Was top class today, easily our best player in my opinion. Defended well and read the play as good as Lescott ever did. What I also liked was his selection of passing, he never panicked and hoofed it like our other defenders often do. With Pulis this season we will need all the possession we can manage, so having him in there should be a great addition.
Only negative was the injury, I hope it is only minor.
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Very good today. As you say never panicked and good distribution
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Has he been issued a squad number yet?
Number 6.
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Did well - his distribution was very good and clearly far better than we usually get from Olsson.
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£8m for a downgrade on Lescott.
if he plays like he did v saints yesterday every game your wrong mate,hope injury is minor
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if he plays like he did v saints yesterday every game your wrong mate,hope injury is minor
He went off with cramp mate
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I don't get it.
People are saying he had a really good game; I forgot he was playing.
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I don't get it.
People are saying he had a really good game; I forgot he was playing.
Was he that good then? Very few Albion players get noticed on here if they play well
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Was he that good then? Very few Albion players get noticed on here if they play well
I notice if somebody plays well. I notice if somebody plays badly.
If I don't notice them at all, it tells me they aren't involved all that much.
Now Van Dijk had a really good game; didn't loose a header that I can remember, and played it out from the back really well.
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I don't get it.
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People are saying he had a really good game; I forgot he was playing.
You always know Olsson is playing these days because of the misplaced passes and the desperate falling challenges, its hard to miss.
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I don't get it.
People are saying he had a really good game; I forgot he was playing.
I thought he played the ball out wonderfully and added composure and a graceful touch that our game has been missing. Also, in a way if you don't notice a defender then he must be doing a sound job....maybe?
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I thought he had a very good debut to be honest. Outshone to some extent by Van Djyk who looked sensational for them.
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Agree thought Van Dijk was comfortably the best player on the pitch.
Evans was exactly what I expected from him, solid 7/8 out of 10, always looked in control and dealt with the little threat they posed comfortably. Will be a top signing for us and should take over the captaincy from Fletcher at the end of this season
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I notice if somebody plays well. I notice if somebody plays badly.
If I don't notice them at all, it tells me they aren't involved all that much.
Now Van Dijk had a really good game; didn't loose a header that I can remember, and played it out from the back really well.
van dijk had a comfortable game as he was never once put under pressure & had all the time in the world to strut about whereas Evans was constantly in the mix & his positioning & awareness was fantastic
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I don't get it.
People are saying he had a really good game; I forgot he was playing.
he was the one in player in general who didn't give the ball straight back to Southampton,along with yacob our 2 best players easily
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The guy is massively under rated, reads the game very well
He'd still be at Yanited if Fergie was there
His first game ended up with us having a clean sheet yet people are still moaning/questioning? :-[
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The guy is massively under rated, reads the game very well
He'd still be at Yanited if Fergie was there
His first game ended up with us having a clean sheet yet people are still moaning/questioning? :-[
I know it's bizarre isn't it? Some people just like to moan.
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Thought he went about his job well and with minimum fuss.
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Looks an incredibly shrewd signing. You can see why Ferguson liked him, he's got that extra bit of quality. To get someone like that age 27 is looking to be an incredibly good deal.
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Looks an incredibly shrewd signing. You can see why Ferguson liked him, he's got that extra bit of quality. To get someone like that age 27 is looking to be an incredibly good deal.
Agreed. A class act, and for whatever reason I think Fletcher has picked up since he has arrived. Who can we target next from United? I fancy Mata!
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Watch United fumbling around in midweek...Smalling and Blind not fit to tie JE'S laces...how we got him for 8mil is beyond me...signing of the season..
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Very impressive so far. Calm and assured on the ball and you can see already, the perfect CB for a Pulis team.
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Seemed to be dishing out some heavy orders and telling offs too.. future captain for us.
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So calm and assuring 8 mill well spent
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Class today. Reads well and is a leader.
Cannot pass long range on his left but looks an assured and quality YOUNG buy.
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Very impressive so far. Calm and assured on the ball and you can see already, the perfect CB for a Pulis team.
I saw that, not sure if it was Brunt, McClean or Berahino he bawled out when Villa threatened, class act.
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I saw that, not sure if it was Brunt, McClean or Berahino he bawled out when Villa threatened, class act.
Berahino,being too casual and lost the ball
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Quality player.
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I saw that, not sure if it was Brunt, McClean or Berahino he bawled out when Villa threatened, class act.
It's Berahino, he lost the ball then Evans shouted at him immediately.
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I saw him giving Saido a dressing down, he expects a high standard and will voice it.
Could well be the signing of the season for any team.
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Evans or Lescott?
For me, one again, the Albion and pulls have done a superb job with that switch.
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Evans or Lescott?
For me, one again, the Albion and pulls have done a superb job with that switch.
Spot on. :D
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Another good performance yesterday. Could turn out to be an excellent piece of business. Big advantage him playing for Northern Ireland with Brunt and McAuley.
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People may have thought of him when he was at Utd as the weak link perhaps because he only played when Vidic or Ferdiand didnt and as a pair they were absolutely top class but we have to remember Fergie kept him for many years which should tell us he is plenty good enough. Need remember to he has been playing Champions league for many years against the very best. To me he could be the best value for money signing of the window.
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Class yesterday, picked it up loads on TV yesterday him laying into the players for making mistakes, lot of fist pumping and snarling going on.....when I think I was gutted we got rid of Lescott....good business by the baggies
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Two good games so far but far too early to judge. Matt Carbon looked quality in his first month at the club! My concern is that Evans is injury prone. Let's see if he can keep fit for season and keep his standards high.
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Two good games so far but far too early to judge. Matt Carbon looked quality in his first month at the club! My concern is that Evans is injury prone. Let's see if he can keep fit for season and keep his standards high.
No he didn't, he really didn't. People keep saying that and it drives me mad. The first time I saw him we lost 3-2 (I think) and he was at fault for two of the goals due to bad positioning.
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He's going to be a class act this lad and at 27 years of age he should be in his prime.
I was sceptical about selling Lescott but if we're going to get consistent performances like this every week then it'll be some very shrewd business.
His dressing down of Berahino was priceless
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He has a massive advantage playing next to two international team-mates so he's naturally settled in straight away. Looks very composed and has clear leadership qualities, so far so good.
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No he didn't, he really didn't. People keep saying that and it drives me mad. The first time I saw him we lost 3-2 (I think) and he was at fault for two of the goals due to bad positioning.
Matt Carbons debut was a 4-4 draw vs Watford mid week at home if remember correctly lol
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Matt Carbons debut was a 4-4 draw vs Watford mid week at home if remember correctly lol
That was Super Bobs only treble for us plus Sneekes scoring on his debut under Buckley , Carbon was a Denis Smith signing I think later on.
Back on topic , I wasn't the biggest fan of Evans but so far so good.Early days though
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As I stated a page or 3 back his game reading & positioning are first class excellent leader a winner who is a class act and came from long service at a top club, at 27 in his prime we are very lucky to have him. JL was very good but his better days are well behind him.
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With all due respect - Carbon and Evans pedigree are pretty different coming in! Minus the medals, talent and application Carbon and Evans are similar.
Yesterday was pipe and slippers for Evans, looked in control and dragged everyone along with him. With him, McAuley, Brunt and a great performance from Dawson we never looked in danger.
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Quality, but as baggie 82 says above the challenge will be keeping Johnny fit (Johnny fit, how bad does that sound?)
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All i remember of carbon was he cost 800k from Derby and i was excited but he was cr@p.
I was under the impression super Bob never scored a hat trick for us.
I was at bolton away, at the old burnden park for a night game, i think, when he scored 2 and hit the post with another.
That was the closest i saw him get to baggie hat trick.
Back to Evans i was sceptical about the fee paid but it seems a bargain so far.
Looks better than Lovren and Sakho at liverpool who cost £ 22m and £18m each.
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Any news on his injury yet?
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I thought that he was very good again on Saturday. His ability to play out from the back meant that we didn't have to play through Saido as a number 10 and that he in turn could push on and join Rondon. Let's just hope that Jonny can stay fit.
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I think he is a great signing, so calm and assured, hope we can keep him because he could play for most top six clubs.
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For me Jonny Evans will win this year's Player of the Year award at a canter providing he stays fit. We aren't going to score enough goals for it to go to a striker, our midfield can't pass, our wingers don't play so it is nailed on to go to a defender and Evans is really top class, head and shoulders above anything else we have in the squad. Keep it up the good work Jonny, I think we are going to need it!
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Class act so far.
Then again you don't play so many games for Man Utd and noy be a good player.
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I was astouded when we let Lescott go to the Vile, but Johnny Evans looks even better than JL was, One thing I have to give TP he knows a centre half when he sees one!!
oops James Chester, dammit !
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I remember many on here complaining that by Lescott going to Villa we were strengthening a relegation rival...not really turned out that way has it. he looks woeful for them. Whereas Evans has brought a calmness to our back 4.
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Outstanding again, look a great piece of business with Lescott going and Evans coming in, no comparison at this point of time in their careers.
Well done!
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Outstanding again, look a great piece of business with Lescott going and Evans coming in, no comparison at this point of time in their careers.
Well done!
Made a really crucial double-block today, similar to the one he did vs Fletcher last week, sums him up. We look so much better with him involved, he really is a class act.
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Jonny has been our best signing in years. He has improved our back four immensely
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Outstanding again, look a great piece of business with Lescott going and Evans coming in, no comparison at this point of time in their careers.
Well done!
Certainly was great business. Lescott looks finished, whilst Evans has many good years ahead of him. Fantastic buy.
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No surprise really he is a decent defender.
Villa fans gave me stick about his singing saying he was useless, proved them well wrong
Lescott is done and 2million was outstanding business
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Certainly was great business. Lescott looks finished, whilst Evans has many good years ahead of him. Fantastic buy.
Well said!! One could argue this was the best upgrade we have made to a specific position when needing to replace a regular starter that we shipped out. Signing Evans was an improvement in just about every possible way. After his recent performances it looks like we got the last descent year Lescott had in him, as a regular starter at anyway. Evans if he stays healthy looks to be worth everything we paid for him and then some!
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No surprise really he is a decent defender.
Villa fans gave me stick about his singing saying he was useless, proved them well wrong
Lescott is done and 2million was outstanding business
What's wrong with his singing ? 😜
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I was underwhelmed by his signing, but really would have to be player of the year to date I would have thought from the games I have seen.
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What's wrong with his singing ? 😜
He's gone to villa, they only have one song !!
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He's gone to villa, they only have one song !!
I think 'song' is a little generous!
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He's gone to villa, they only have one song !!
song?
Re-arrange and add a+d, you will get...gonads...Perhaps that is all any one of them has got. :o :P
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Not sure if already mentioned but I believe we have only let one goal in while he has been on the pitch (but I might be wrong!)
Great purchase.
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Not sure if already mentioned but I believe we have only let one goal in while he has been on the pitch (but I might be wrong!)
Great purchase.
Right now, i'd say he's our best player.
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could quite easily have gone to a top 10 club, oh hang on we are :)
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could quite easily have gone to a top 10 club, oh hang on we are :)
Nice to see a little positivity returning to your demeanour. ;D
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Nice to see a little positivity returning to your demeanour. ;D
2 wins on the bounce works wonders :)
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Those that said it was mad to let Lescott go and pay whatever it was we paid for Evans are being made to look a little silly right now.
He's been our best signing of the summer in my view, early days but he clearly has the quality and some real leadership qualities to. Obviously having international teammates and former United teammates will have helped him settle straight in which is a bonus.
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Not sure if already mentioned but I believe we have only let one goal in while he has been on the pitch (but I might be wrong!)
Great purchase.
I think he played against Everton didn't he? It was Jonas that went off injured in that game. He wasn't on the pitch for the 2 Palace goals though - he went off injured in the first half.
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i thought letting JL go was madness, so pleased to be proven wrong, just hope we can keep Jonny fit.
(00-err jonny fit!!!)
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Those that said it was mad to let Lescott go and pay whatever it was we paid for Evans are being made to look a little silly right now.
Evans is doing well in a side whose strength is defence. Lescott is playing poorly in a side that constantly leaves him exposed.
If Lescott was in our side, we'd have a similar record. If Evans was in theirs, they would still have trouble.
It's not all down to one man.
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Evans is doing well in a side whose strength is defence. Lescott is playing poorly in a side that constantly leaves him exposed.
If Lescott was in our side, we'd have a similar record. If Evans was in theirs, they would still have trouble.
It's not all down to one man.
I would disagree from what I have seen so far. Having McAuley and Lescott at the back pretty much forced Pulis to play a deep line. Evans added mobility and positioning has allowed the defence to push up an extra 10 yards. It's only a subtle change but it also makes things easier for Yacob and Fletcher sitting in front of them.
Lescott looked decent from January to May but was still outpaced by Bobby Zamora when Pulis chased the 3 points against QPR. Evans would fare a lot better in that situation.
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Evans is doing well in a side whose strength is defence. Lescott is playing poorly in a side that constantly leaves him exposed.
If Lescott was in our side, we'd have a similar record. If Evans was in theirs, they would still have trouble.
It's not all down to one man.
When did I say it was all down to one man?
Lescott had lost pace and he was clearly in decline. Evans has settled straight in, to me he clearly has more leadership qualities, pace and arguably at this stage in their respective careers more quality regardless of how a teams set up.
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Lescott had lost pace and he was clearly in decline. Evans has settled straight in, to me he clearly has more leadership qualities, pace and arguably at this stage in their respective careers more quality regardless of how a teams set up.
We looked very steady at the back when Lescott first came in, but towards the end of last season it was clear that he had lost a yard or two of pace (he was never that fast anyway)
It was superb business getting a fee from Villa and upgrading to Evans
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OK, it's been pretty much an Evans love-in since he arrived, so I think something needs to be pointed out from Saturday.
When Vardy got the ball back from Drinkwater, and started running, Evans gave up. He chased him for a little bit, and then stopped, letting him go. The 35-year-old McAuley came across from the other side to try and intercept him instead, but was never going to make it.
I'm not debating whether Evans would have caught him in a straight race, but to stop running when anything could have happened between there and the goal was poor.
Only fair he should take stick when he does something wrong, having had so much praise.
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Fair point but maybe he's a still a bit nervous about that hamstring which he had trouble with only a couple of weeks ago.....lets face it centre backs are not going to catch Vardy from behind.
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Is there anything this man can't do?
Superb at centre back and just as good at left back too.
Superb signing.
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For the 1st half season, I think he is best player in our team .
Classy, tidy, plays well at center back and even left back.
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Quiet but authoritative.
He really does his job well.
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What a signing. Can't believe Man Utd let him go.
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Played very well but we need him in his usual position for his superior distribution as much as anything else.
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Did well considering he's got no left foot. Would expect Brunt to come back in, question marks over McAuley today if anyone.
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Think we should be back to our Northern Ireland trio plus Dawson as the back four for the next game.
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Think we should be back to our Northern Ireland trio plus Dawson as the back four for the next game.
Would be very harsh on Olsson, wish we had a decent right back.
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Would be very harsh on Olsson, wish we had a decent right back.
Must admit that I thought Olsson was past his sell-by date but his last two performances have proved otherwise.
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Must admit that I thought Olsson was past his sell-by date but his last two performances have proved otherwise.
The block he made for the Sakho opportunity was either an excellent block or the most laboured, cumbersome piece of defensive covering I've ever witnessed.
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I thought he was class again today also fair play to Olsen some great blocks. Evans is the difference for me this year seems to have rejuvenated the players around him.
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Evans was superb.
That said, showed how much we missed Brunt's over-lapping with JMc without him.
How badly must Pulis rate Chester though if was willing to play an injured Evans ahead of him?
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If Evans was really injured he wouldn't have played - that said it makes you wonder if there's a bit of mistrust between TP and Chester.
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superb today,missed his distribution from centre though,would expect brunty to come back in next week,on todays performances,it should be mcauley who is dropped from back four,we need a proper right back soon though
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I got a feeling he will move McLean over bring brunt bk on the left mid and keep same back four. Shame on sess though although not at his best yest don't feel he should be dropped as he adds much needed pace out wide.
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If Evans was really injured he wouldn't have played - that said it makes you wonder if there's a bit of mistrust between TP and Chester.
The clear issue with Chester is that we have signed him as a full-back and he's clearly not at the level Pulis wants for him to get a game over Dawson in that position and he clearly isn't rated as good as the other central defenders we have for that position either. As for Evans, he probably was playing through injury, you will find players for most clubs will be playing while not 100% after little or no training during the week with the help of injections to get them through games.
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It's early days but so far I'd say Evans is the best defender I've seen at the club. Hopefully he continues it, everything about him is class.
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It's early days but so far I'd say Evans is the best defender I've seen at the club. Hopefully he continues it, everything about him is class.
It is early days but if this is the level of performance that we will get on a consistent basis, then he is no doubt the best defender I've seen play for us (been going since 1990).
I'm trying not to get carried away...Gianni Zuiverloon taught me that!!! However, there can't be many better defenders outside the top 6!
For all the abuse and criticism he got from all angles when at Man Utd, in reality you don't stay in and around the United first team setup for as long as he did if you aren't a damn good player!
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It is early days but if this is the level of performance that we will get on a consistent basis, then he is no doubt the best defender I've seen play for us (been going since 1990).
I'm trying not to get carried away...Gianni Zuiverloon taught me that!!! However, there can't be many better defenders outside the top 6!
For all the abuse and criticism he got from all angles when at Man Utd, in reality you don't stay in and around the United first team setup for as long as he did if you aren't a damn good player!
I agree entirely, but we should always play him in his best position - centre back. TP plays far too many players in unfamiliar positions.
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It's early days but so far I'd say Evans is the best defender I've seen at the club. Hopefully he continues it, everything about him is class.
I agree Evans is the best signing we have made in years. He would improve ant of the top 6 teams defensively. I am amazed that we managed to get a player of his quality and experience.
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Brilliant player and lucky to have him... Be amazed if someone doesn't try to sign him in the summer but with Peace that kind of thing doesn't worry me to much although he would be very hard to replace however much we would get.
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United fan here....go easy on the abuse ;)
I think yeah getting an excellent player and in a sense I'm very disappointed to see him go. On form, he's still the best defender we have. There was a time when we set the record for clean-sheets that he was arguably our best defender. He's an excellent passer and very good reader of the game. I think he'll do very well.
For the last 18 months for us, his confidence has been shot to pieces. He would be just returning to form and either get an injury setback or suspended. The spitting with Cisse was the final straw with LVG. He was actually coming back to form before that as well.
All-in-all, you're getting an excellent defender for a decent price. We are offloading a player who has been a great servant but is no longer in the managers plans. I really like Jonny and hope he does well for you guys.
Glad to see he has started brightly anyway. He's a good guy and hope it continues for him.
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Hope the injury isn't too bad, although Hamstrings tend to be bad ones.
Sooner he's restored to centre back and Olsson on the bench the better.
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Hope the injury isn't too bad, although Hamstrings tend to be bad ones.
Sooner he's restored to centre back and Olsson on the bench the better.
Totally agree with you.
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Was listening to Graham Hunter’s podcast last night, his guest was the impressive Northern Ireland manager Michael O'Neill. The subject turned to Jonny Evans, both were waxing lyrical about what a fine defender he is and how he should still be playing in the Champions League and although both gave their “with all due respects†were shocked that he stepped down to a team of our standing. They also suggested that he should be using the Euro’s to showcase his abilities to potential suitors.
What a fine defender we have in Evans but what a shame someone who is head and shoulders above the rest of our lot is being shoe horned into playing left back to accommodate Olsson, its criminal really. He can’t be happy and maybe he will be attempting to showcase his quality in the Euros to other clubs.
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Was listening to Graham Hunter’s podcast last night, his guest was the impressive Northern Ireland manager Michael O'Neill. The subject turned to Jonny Evans, both were waxing lyrical about what a fine defender he is and how he should still be playing in the Champions League and although both gave their “with all due respects†were shocked that he stepped down to a team of our standing. They also suggested that he should be using the Euro’s to showcase his abilities to potential suitors.
What a fine defender we have in Evans but what a shame someone who is head and shoulders above the rest of our lot is being shoe horned into playing left back to accommodate Olsson, its criminal really. He can’t be happy and maybe he will be attempting to showcase his quality in the Euros to other clubs.
Agreed, wouldn't be suprised if we lost him. How Pulis can decide to play the likes of Olsson is criminal. Best centre half we have had for some time and we waste him
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Was listening to Graham Hunter’s podcast last night, his guest was the impressive Northern Ireland manager Michael O'Neill. The subject turned to Jonny Evans, both were waxing lyrical about what a fine defender he is and how he should still be playing in the Champions League and although both gave their “with all due respects†were shocked that he stepped down to a team of our standing. They also suggested that he should be using the Euro’s to showcase his abilities to potential suitors.
What a fine defender we have in Evans but what a shame someone who is head and shoulders above the rest of our lot is being shoe horned into playing left back to accommodate Olsson, its criminal really. He can’t be happy and maybe he will be attempting to showcase his quality in the Euros to other clubs.
I'm not sure that's the case, if Brunt hadn't have been injured, it's unlikely that Jonas would have played. IMO it's the fact that Johnny Evens is so versatile that TP uses him as left back.
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I'm not sure that's the case, if Brunt hadn't have been injured, it's unlikely that Jonas would have played. IMO it's the fact that Johnny Evens is so versatile that TP uses him as left back.
Regardless of Brunt's injury TP doesn't have to play Olsson but still chooses to. I do expect us to sign another versatile defender this summer that can play across the back 4.
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Regardless of Brunt's injury TP doesn't have to play Olsson but still chooses to. I do expect us to sign another versatile defender this summer that can play across the back 4.
I hear Derby are releasing Baird...
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Evans is so good sky sports still think he plays for man united ???
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Just watching the N.I. V Poland match,think that Jonny and big Mac were tremendous in defence,well played.
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Just watching the N.I. V Poland match,think that Jonny and big Mac were tremendous in defence,well played.
Cathcart certainly the weak link in the back 3, shame they wasted their set-pieces on their few forays forward.
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evans and McCauley felt right at home playing in a team with no shots on target and the opposition having 70% possession.
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I thought Evans looks a bit exposed when he moved to LB. He was done for pace on a couple of occasions. It just highlights that he shouldn't really be playing there and hope we don't see him shoved out there again for us next season either.
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Thought Evans did well he had a running battle with Lewandowski all game but he did well against him
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Evans is class, fought all match, brought the ball out, then played out of position to his detriment.
Round peg square hole does not work.
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Where does Jonny rank in terms of centre backs at the club? Probably the best we've had during the modern Premier League era for me, where does he rank all time?
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Loved him man marking Lewandowski. Hardly gave him a sniff. Will have to do a similar job vs Muller
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Where does Jonny rank in terms of centre backs at the club? Probably the best we've had during the modern Premier League era for me, where does he rank all time?
Agreed which makes it even more frustrating to see him at LB. He'll start the season at LB and stay there until Brunt is fit I reckon.
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Loved him man marking Lewandowski. Hardly gave him a sniff. Will have to do a similar job vs Muller
depends on who the ref is, he got away with a lot with the Romanian guy, some of the tackles and off the ball stuff would usually be fouls.
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depends on who the ref is, he got away with a lot with the Romanian guy, some of the tackles and off the ball stuff would usually be fouls.
True, but I expect Jonny to know where the line is
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Agreed which makes it even more frustrating to see him at LB. He'll start the season at LB and stay there until Brunt is fit I reckon.
Toss up between him and Davies in my opinion, harder to judge based on them being very different.
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depends on who the ref is, he got away with a lot with the Romanian guy, some of the tackles and off the ball stuff would usually be fouls.
He gave as good as he got.
Robert Lewandowski is no shrinking violet.
He could have been penalised for quite a few things himself with a different ref too.
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Where does Jonny rank in terms of centre backs at the club? Probably the best we've had during the modern Premier League era for me, where does he rank all time?
imho as of yet not as good as
Wile
Robertson
Bennett
Ehiogu (didn't know he was spuds u21 coach)
Whyte, just rated him highly.
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Ehiogu (didn't know he was spuds u21 coach)
How many games did he play for us?
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How many games did he play for us?
not many but he was a decent player.
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Toss up between him and Davies in my opinion, harder to judge based on them being very different.
Chester. Davies. Evans
Would make a great back 3 ??
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Another outstanding display from Evans; kept the much praised and sought after Yarmolenko quiet.
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imho as of yet not as good as
Wile
Robertson
Bennett
Ehiogu (didn't know he was spuds u21 coach)
Whyte, just rated him highly.
Yes but we were not in the Prem with those very good players.
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Where does Jonny rank in terms of centre backs at the club? Probably the best we've had during the modern Premier League era for me, where does he rank all time?
it was a response to this Gloster.
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it was a response to this Gloster.
Sorry I see.
But in Premier terms he could be one of the best? At this moment in time hard to say with him out of position.In Prem terms only I would say Olsson and Gmac have been our best CB's. Evens played there will I am sure be a good contender.
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Where does Jonny rank in terms of centre backs at the club? Probably the best we've had during the modern Premier League era for me, where does he rank all time?
All time is an impossible question to answer. Since the 70's I'd say Evans is top 5 along with Wile, Robertson, Bennett and Whyte.
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Sorry I see.
But in Premier terms he could be one of the best? At this moment in time hard to say with him out of position.In Prem terms only I would say Olsson and Gmac have been our best CB's. Evens played there will I am sure be a good contender.
I agree mate but will we see enough of evans in that position? and when you think about it we haven't had many CBs during our time in the prem.
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I agree mate but will we see enough of evans in that position? and when you think about it we haven't had many CBs during our time in the prem.
Not in a settled Prem team mate? Up and down. I do think Gmac and Evans for next season.But we will see?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-plan-shock-jonny-evans-8530349
"Arsenal plan shock Jonny Evans move"
:o nooooo
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-plan-shock-jonny-evans-8530349
"Arsenal plan shock Jonny Evans move"
:o nooooo
no chance whatsoever of that being correct, Arsenal wouldn't bother with Evans, he was woeful at man utd so the big clubs will stay away from him
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no chance whatsoever of that being correct, Arsenal wouldn't bother with Evans, he was woeful at man utd so the big clubs will stay away from him
Bit harsh, Ferguson rated him highly and he's better than Blind, Jones, Smalling etc. Agree in this market we'd be looking for £18-20 million.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-plan-shock-jonny-evans-8530349
"Arsenal plan shock Jonny Evans move"
:o nooooo
So Evans leaves Man U to get regular first team football..
Guaranteed starter for us...
so he would leave to be a back-up for Mertesacker who will be missing for about four months....
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We'd want £20 mill minimum for Evans based on Tomkins moving for 12.5 million ;D
I'm not sure, if Dunk in s apparently 10m and having never played in the premier league and Stones is apparently 40m - 50m on potential, then I'd say Evans would be worth nearer 30m to us, in spite of Pulis insisting on playing him at bloody left back
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Evans has benefited hugely from playing regularly for us. He was seldom a first team starter at Old Trafford although he got game time because of Vidic's injuries and the sheer number of games United play he never had the shirt and the confidence that comes with that status.
From last season it is very evident that he is capable of playing at a higher level and at 28 he is at his absolute peak and as such Arsenal and other Champions League clubs should be interested. Fortunately he is on a long contract here and although £15m would represent a handsome profit it is no where near enough to persuade us to part with the player.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-plan-shock-jonny-evans-8530349
Rumours of an impending 16 million pound bid from Arsenal. Hope this is rubbish as the guy is a pure class act, arguably our most important player (which makes it all the more frustrating that we're playing him left back! :-[).
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Best player we have...why sell? Also he's going to be a stop
Gap for Mertezacker and they have Gabriel and Chambers too as back up.
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Best player we have...why sell? Also he's going to be a stop
Gap for Mertezacker and they have Gabriel and Chambers too as back up.
I personally would not swap Jonny for any of these players. I think he would be a fantastic partner for Koscielny, Arsenal fans are brainless for turning their noses up at him.
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I don't believe any of these rumours at all. We're not in a position where we have to sell and regardless of the fee we would find it too hard to replace someone as good as Evans
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I personally would not swap Jonny for any of these players. I think he would be a fantastic partner for Koscielny, Arsenal fans are brainless for turning their noses up at him.
Agree with you although Wenger loves Merrezacker for some reason.
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I certainly hope they aren't true but their hand may be forced due to injuries and Mertesacker is now 31 so Jonny represents a solid option both short & mid term. Champions league football would surely appeal to him to prove he is capable at that level? Personally I think he is the best centre back we have (even though he is used heavily at LB) I really hope it's just that - rumours
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keep playing as a full back and we are even more vunerable to loosing him
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keep playing as a full back and we are even more vunerable to loosing him
Agree entirely he wants to and must play as a centre back.
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Wenger seems very confident he will have a new centre half before the season starts. I hope Evans has not been tapped up and has give Arsenal encouragement. Playing him at left back could have its consequences as he doesnt appear happy playing there.
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He is a true professional.
He plays where he is told to play.
Repeat...He is a true professional.
That is one of the reasons why we must keep him.
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keep playing as a full back and we are even more vunerable to loosing him
That is the thing that worries me!. We need to buy players not lose them.Cant afford to lose a player of his quality.
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Wenger seems very confident he will have a new centre half before the season starts. I hope Evans has not been tapped up and has give Arsenal encouragement. Playing him at left back could have its consequences as he doesnt appear happy playing there.
Yes it was unusual to hear Wenger sounding so confident of having a new CB....though no confirmation that he's talking about Evans of course. We need a LB regardless so we should get on with it this week. Chester is not fully at home at LB but think it's better to play him there and keep Evans at CB.
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Yes it was unusual to hear Wenger sounding so confident of having a new CB....though no confirmation that he's talking about Evans of course. We need a LB regardless so we should get on with it this week. Chester is not fully at home at LB but think it's better to play him there and keep Evans at CB.
Better to sell Chester, keep Evans as CH and buy LB
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Better to sell Chester, keep Evans as CH and buy LB
I agree but it's a question of do you force Evans to stay if he wanted to go and we at least doubled our money ?
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we didn't have Evans this time last year, and if we sell him to the backside for 20m, we won't have him again, but we will have about 14m more than we had before we signed him. its a business, I'm afraid, and he is good enough for them. It wouldn't surprise me.
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Not going down well woth the gooners :D
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/31/arsenal-fans-promise-to-quit-football-if-they-sign-former-manchester-united-defender-jonny-evans-6040877/
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Not going down well woth the gooners :D
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/31/arsenal-fans-promise-to-quit-football-if-they-sign-former-manchester-united-defender-jonny-evans-6040877/
Massive irony is he's genuinely better than their current CB's.
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Not going down well woth the gooners :D
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/31/arsenal-fans-promise-to-quit-football-if-they-sign-former-manchester-united-defender-jonny-evans-6040877/
Just proves how little most of this Glory Hunters know about football in any depth !!!!
They would probably be wetting themselves if they were linked with Stones yet Evens is far more the superior defender at the present moment.
Mind, at a laughable £15m, he ain't going anywhere !!!!
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if the rumours are true I can see evans being interested in the move, a bugger for us but could you blame him.
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if the rumours are true I can see evans being interested in the move, a bugger for us but could you blame him.
He can't move anywhere until they meet a realistic valuation in the current crazy climate !
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Makes you wonder whether he has a buy out clause for a champions league club which is let's say 15m for example considering the very specific leaks coming out?
Also makes you wonder whether agents are working away somewhere , maybe one year under Pulis at left back is enough for one of the top centre backs in the premier league ?
I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on.
If there's no buy out and Dunk is 10m , plus Tomkins 12m then Evans should be 25m at least in today market at his prime age
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Let's be honest, the guy deserves much more than being shifted out to left back for the most boring team in the league. If he gets a move back to a club in Europe then good on him
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A top pro, we should be building a team with the likes of him not selling him. >:(
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Not going down well woth the gooners :D
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/31/arsenal-fans-promise-to-quit-football-if-they-sign-former-manchester-united-defender-jonny-evans-6040877/
Defies belief - almost. He's exactly the type of character they need and a classy player ...but he only plays for West Brom and Northern Ireland so can't be any good.
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Defies belief - almost. He's exactly the type of character they need and a classy player ...but he only plays for West Brom and Northern Ireland so can't be any good.
If he was called Kristoff Evansio and played for the biggest club in Spain they'd be all over him like a rash ;) .
In the meantime they can naughty word off.
COYB 8) .
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If he does go then Pulis should be sacked on the spot!
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If he does go then Pulis should be sacked on the spot!
It absolutely won't be Pulis' decision. I fear that if Arsenal's interest in the player is genuine then he might jump at the chance to get back into the big time. However he's on a long contract and we have never been known for selling cheaply and Arsenal are known for their parsimony so that might not be the easiest deal.
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I can;t see Arsenal going for him due to the backlash they would get from the fans, which would be a nonsense from their part of course because he is a fantastic defender and should be playing for a team far higher in the league than ourselves.
Would not sell for less than £20m. If we are saying that £10m for Lewis Dunk is not extortionate then an international defender who has proven over a number of years his quality at this level has to be worth double that.
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It absolutely won't be Pulis' decision. I fear that if Arsenal's interest in the player is genuine then he might jump at the chance to get back into the big time. However he's on a long contract and we have never been known for selling cheaply and Arsenal are known for their parsimony so that might not be the easiest deal.
he might just jump at the chance to play centre half!!!!
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If Evans were good enough to play for a team at that level, he wouldn't have left Manchester United.
He isn't good enough for that level, so he's with us.
*Prepares for backlash*
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We'd be crazy to sell, but I guess every player has a price. Evans price, who knows?
Best centre half we've had for a long time, I'd say £18-20Mill given the current going rates, especially as Brighton was £10m for Dunk.
Wouldn't blame him for wanting a move, especially being stuck at left back.
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If I was Jonny.......
where do I sign ???
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Don't think there's genuine interest to be honest. They seem nailed on for Mustafi.
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Arsenal wouldn't pay what we would demand for Evans.
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Arsenal wouldn't pay what we would demand for Evans.
Good, bloody great, vital to our future and should be sewn up contractually by the club IMO.
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Like BH said Arsenal wouldn't pay what we demand for our best defender. Arsenal are notoriously tight when it comes to transfer windows. They have been linked with a few overseas defenders who I'm sure they would rather have over Evans
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Linked to Arsenal again in tomorrow's papers.
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I refuse to think the club could be that stupid.
There's still almost a month of the transfer window left but to sell our best player three days before the start of the season would push even the more rational of fans over the edge.
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I refuse to think the club could be that stupid.
There's still almost a month of the transfer window left but to sell our best player three days before the start of the season would push even the more rational of fans over the edge.
Agree to a degree but 20 million for Evans, 20 for Berahino plus 20 million that we must have from new Sky deal plus 20 million from new owners
100 million to spend ? (plus mcmanaman and chester monies?)
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Agree to a degree but 20 million for Evans, 20 for Berahino plus 20 million that we must have from new Sky deal plus 20 million from new owners
100 million to spend ? (plus mcmanaman and chester monies?)
Replacing Evans is a lot of work we don't need/want to have to go through approaching the season and into the early stages of it. We're solid defensively, invest the hypotheical £100m in the areas we really need it.
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Stupid to release him.
We can't even get new players, let alone replacements.
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20 million for Evans isn't that far off the realistic asking price for a player with that much experience & with 5/6 good years left in his tank.
Shows how shrewd or lucky we were to sign.
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20 million for Evans isn't that far off the realistic asking price for a player with that much experience & with 5/6 good years left in his tank.
Shows how shrewd or lucky we were to sign.
Under no pressure to sell and Arsenal don't pay massive fees so we we easily price him out of a move should they make one, he's worth much more to us than £20m. If anything his worth to us is well over £30m as we would struggle badly to get anyone of similar quality and experience for that kind of money.
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Not sure why Evans would want to go when he knows he is only being bought as cover. I would like to think that we do not need to sell. If we do then it sends out a very bad message as far as I am concerned.
Even the Arsenal fans think Arsene has lost it...........
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Under no pressure to sell and Arsenal don't pay massive fees so we we easily price him out of a move should they make one, he's worth much more to us than £20m. If anything his worth to us is well over £30m as we would struggle badly to get anyone of similar quality and experience for that kind of money.
I said in a earlier post we should keep him not sell him instead build a team around him. A integral part of our future
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Not sure why Evans would want to go when he knows he is only being bought as cover. I would like to think that we do not need to sell. If we do then it sends out a very bad message as far as I am concerned.
Even the Arsenal fans think Arsene has lost it...........
In my opinion he's better than anything they have in that position so wouldn't end up as cover. Fans of top clubs would always turn their noses up at the likes of Evans as he hasn't got a Brazilian sounding name and wouldn't be coming from one of the top clubs in the world, if they took the time to watch him play they might realise he would be an excellent option for them.
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If Evans is sold 3 days before the season starts you can pretty much guarantee a fan backlash, relegation and Pulis Out banners in an instant.
The worst thing the new owners can do is sell someone of his quality, it would be like buying a new car and then crashing it into the bollards on the way out of the showroom
Cant see it myself but you never know, he may prefer playing 2nd fiddle to not knowing where he will be playing
Perhaps things are not as rosy as they seem and our top players are not happy with our recruitment over the summer or the style of play Pulis offers....
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I said in a earlier post we should keep him not sell him instead build a team around him. A integral part of our future
I agree, we waste him using him at left-back.
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I agree, we waste him using him at left-back.
I think forcing him to play at left back last season and failing to sign a left back this summer will be a major factor in his desire to leave
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He can have a desire to leave and I wouldn't blame him at all considering its a potentially massive step up. However he signed a decent contract and he knows we don't let players go unless the deal is right for us so I just don't see us letting him go unless its a ridiculous offer made and Arsenal don't make them.
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Indeed BH. Evans is also a solid professional so won't be throwing his toys out like Berahino.
Only problem for us really - is if there is some kind of release clause in his contract. Otherwise there is no chance Arsenal will pay the amount that we'd ask for him (around £20 I am guessing).
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Not sure why people say he would want to move due to being played out of position, this is a bloke who has just played at the Euro's at left back for his country when they would have had specialist left backs in the squad, he can play anywhere and has done during his time at United.
A move to Arsenal would appeal to almost all players, regular Champions League football, chance to win trophies and more money. Other than Vardy not many would turn that down.
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i dont believe any of this story and would be very surprised if we sold him. he would be hard to replace at 15m
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Bearing in mind Tomkins went for £12mil, i'd hope we would be asking for a lot more than £15mil!!!
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Not sure why people say he would want to move due to being played out of position, this is a bloke who has just played at the Euro's at left back for his country when they would have had specialist left backs in the squad, he can play anywhere and has done during his time at United.
A move to Arsenal would appeal to almost all players, regular Champions League football, chance to win trophies and more money. Other than Vardy not many would turn that down.
Depends
May be happy to do it for country, but if he prefers CB and he can either stay at a club just taken over with uncertainties, no new signings of note, no clear guidance on where they are aiming and a manager who is quite willing to play people out of position or worse bomb them out
Or
Increase pay, make the cv read international,Man U,arsenal, play in the champs league,signing on fee etc etc
What would you do?
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Can we pretend that he is Olsson in disguise, and then sell them Olsson? ???
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Depends
May be happy to do it for country, but if he prefers CB and he can either stay at a club just taken over with uncertainties, no new signings of note, no clear guidance on where they are aiming and a manager who is quite willing to play people out of position or worse bomb them out
Or
Increase pay, make the cv read international,Man U,arsenal, play in the champs league,signing on fee etc etc
What would you do?
Well no guarantee he would be centre half at Arsenal when the regular favourites come back so may be shifted elsewhere there as well, plenty of players play across the back these days at other and bigger clubs Vertonghen for one.
As I said a move to Arsenal would appeal to most players for increased pay, regular Champions League football and more chance of winning trophies.
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I believe Arsenal are interested, Wenger is a long time admirer of Evans, his interest dates back years. However why would we sell, he is our best player, we don't need the money and he still has 3 years left on his contract. There is no way Arsenal would pay the money that we would want for him.
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I wouldn't even entertain a bid under £30mil. Definitely the most underrated defender in the Prem. Class act on and off the field. Without him I would fear for our safety, that's how highly I rate him.
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I wouldn't even entertain a bid under £30mil. Definitely the most underrated defender in the Prem. Class act on and off the field. Without him I would fear for our safety, that's how highly I rate him.
Spot on ......Feck Wenger
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Stones £47 million and Evans is the better CH by a distance
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I believe Arsenal are interested, Wenger is a long time admirer of Evans, his interest dates back years. However why would we sell, he is our best player, we don't need the money and he still has 3 years left on his contract. There is no way Arsenal would pay the money that we would want for him.
Unlike Berahino as well, I can't see Evans throwing a tantrum - he is a real professional and so would play for us regardless of if he wanted a move.
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Heard that Jonny Evans doesn`t want to leave, his family are settled up north and he`s happy to commute daily with Fletcher.
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Lets be realistic, Jonny and Fletch used to play in a great side and have quite literally won it all. Why would Evans want to move now for any reason other than money? Its not like Man City have come calling is it. The previous poster said that he is settled and commutes with Darren Fletcher daily from Manchester. Moving down there with no guarantee of first team football will not appeal to him I don't think...... also he knows what's going on at our club now and will hopefully want to be part of it.
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Personally I think people are kidding themselves if they don't think he will go if we accept a bid. If we do I would be 95% certain he will go.
Arsenal will sell a dream to him alongside earning more. I also imagine playing 20 games a year for Arsenal would be more enjoyable (in terms of playing style and winning) than playing 35 for us.
That's not to say he will kick up any sort of fuss should we reject bids though.
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FB and twitter saying Arsenal have opened talks with us concerning Evans. Anyone know if it is true.
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FB and twitter saying Arsenal have opened talks with us concerning Evans. Anyone know if it is true.
They ask how much we want, we tell them a price and they are likely to not want to talk to us again. That is how I imagine any talks between the two clubs will go IF they happen, we are under no pressure to sell one of our prized assets unless it suits us.
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FB and twitter saying Arsenal have opened talks with us concerning Evans. Anyone know if it is true.
Would this be;
Arsene: Hello Tony, is Jonny Evans for sale?
Tony: No
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Really can't see it happening. We would want in excess of £20m I'd think and under no pressure to sell.
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Would this be;
Arsene: Hello Tony, is Jonny Evans for sale?
Tony: No
I hope yow am right.
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Really can't see it happening. We would want in excess of £20m I'd think and under no pressure to sell.
I would hope the first response would be he's not for sale full stop, if they come back then quote over £30m I doubt we would hear from them again but he is worth more than that to us.
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Would this be;
Arsene: Hello Tony, is Jonny Evans for sale?
Tony: No
Arsene: Hello Tony, is Jonny Evans for sale?
Tony: No
Arsene: I'll give you £20m. You could buy another 3 centre halves with that.
Tony: Sold.
;D
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If Arsenal did genuinely want Evans he'd be desperate to move, not the kind of unsettling we need right now.
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I would hope the first response would be he's not for sale full stop, if they come back then quote over £30m I doubt we would hear from them again but he is worth more than that to us.
In this current market, Evans is definitely worth 30 million. Premier league Experience, great age for a CB, won everything with Man U. If Stones is worth 47 and Tomkins is 12 then yeah I'd put Evans at 30 at least. Didn't he sign a 4 year deal too? Everything is in our favour here really.
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I'm just going to say my take
If arsenal are interested then I think he goes, you would assume that he would like champions league football and a chance to win more things
Many on here saying he's worth this and that but please cmon,if we sell and he wants the move we will make a profit but I don't think it will be anywhere near 25m, not interested in stones totally different prospects and career curves, it's like is Andy Carroll worth 4x rondons??
There may be a very good reason why we haven't sold Chester?
Evans MAY be going,Chester had a very good tournament and MAY be a very good CB for the right manager, Pulis MAY not stay,and you could say that Coleman MAY be looking for a perm post.....hard to imagine?
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I'm just going to say my take
If arsenal are interested then I think he goes, you would assume that he would like champions league football and a chance to win more things
Many on here saying he's worth this and that but please cmon,if we sell and he wants the move we will make a profit but I don't think it will be anywhere near 25m, not interested in stones totally different prospects and career curves, it's like is Andy Carroll worth 4x rondons??
There may be a very good reason why we haven't sold Chester?
Evans MAY be going,Chester had a very good tournament and MAY be a very good CB for the right manager, Pulis MAY not stay,and you could say that Coleman MAY be looking for a perm post.....hard to imagine?
If Pulis goes it'll be in MAY.
See what I did there?
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If Pulis goes it'll be in MAY.
See what I did there?
I did
JUNE know what though,I think he's gone quite soon.
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The five most expensive defenders in history:
Luiz £50m
Stones £47.5m
Silva £36m
Mangala £32m
Otamendi £32m
Given our position, and to play for us next season (so forget Stones potential and resale) would you swap Jonny Evans with any of those?
I really don't think I would. Silva is possibly the only one, and he could easily struggle in the premiership like Otamendi and Mangala.
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The five most expensive defenders in history:
Luiz £50m
Stones £47.5m
Silva £36m
Mangala £32m
Otamendi £32m
Given our position, and to play for us next season (so forget Stones potential and resale) would you swap Jonny Evans with any of those?
I really don't think I would. Silva is possibly the only one, and he could easily struggle in the premiership like Otamendi and Mangala.
Evans is a good player no doubt. I'd say everyone on that list is better though, with the possible exception of stones who has a lot of improvement in him still.
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Evans is a quality and key player for us. However if he was that good he wouldn't have ended up here at all.
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Evans is a quality and key player for us. However if he was that good he wouldn't have ended up here at all.
But he is that good. Have you not seen him play???
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Evans is a quality and key player for us. However if he was that good he wouldn't have ended up here at all.
I think he made a life choice. His mate Darren Fletcher was here and he could still live in and commute from Manchester - so he didn't have to uproot his family. I think that this will also be the reason as to why he is not going to Arsenal - what does he need to prove given his career?
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I think he made a life choice. His mate Darren Fletcher was here and he could still live in and commute from Manchester - so he didn't have to uproot his family. I think that this will also be the reason as to why he is not going to Arsenal - what does he need to prove given his career?
Spot on & the fact he's a nailed on starter for easy.
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I think he made a life choice. His mate Darren Fletcher was here and he could still live in and commute from Manchester - so he didn't have to uproot his family. I think that this will also be the reason as to why he is not going to Arsenal - what does he need to prove given his career?
Id agree with your post. It seems he is more focused on playing football and his family clearly are a priority for him. Moving to Arsenal would mean moving his family (or longer commutes) and realistically hes not guaranteed game time come November when Arsenes defenders are back.
As a club though we couldnt really stand in the way of a move SHOULD he want to go.
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Spot on & the fact he's a nailed on starter for easy.
But maybe unsure about TP playing him out of position, or even what if he really likes TP but knows his days are numbered due to new ownership?
I'd like him to stay but if arsenal get serious he's gone
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But maybe unsure about TP playing him out of position, or even what if he really likes TP but knows his days are numbered due to new ownership?
I'd like him to stay but if arsenal get serious he's gone
£15m and its bye bye Johnny
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£15m and its bye bye Johnny
and hello who :(
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and hello who :(
Nat West bank
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Nat West bank
were in safe hands then
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£15m and its bye bye Johnny
No chance.
If Ashley Williams is going for £12m approaching 32, Evans will not be going for less than £20m. If he does then it would be ridiculous business on our behalf.
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No chance.
If Ashley Williams is going for £12m approaching 32, Evans will not be going for less than £20m. If he does then it would be ridiculous business on our behalf.
Spot on
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its ridiculous to play our best cb at lb but we do! to let him go would leave us back where we were 3 years ago total joke
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No chance.
If Ashley Williams is going for £12m approaching 32, Evans will not be going for less than £20m. If he does then it would be ridiculous business on our behalf.
No,he will go for whatever the two clubs agree, of course he may have a trigger fee in his contract and or a list of clubs that we are obliged to accept offers from,it is quite poss that he had written in that if someone offers double what we paid+ they are top 3 in their country we have to agree.
Put it like this, the noise ain't going away is it?
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No,he will go for whatever the two clubs agree, of course he may have a trigger fee in his contract and or a list of clubs that we are obliged to accept offers from,it is quite poss that he had written in that if someone offers double what we paid+ they are top 3 in their country we have to agree.
Put it like this, the noise ain't going away is it?
Most of the noise is coming from our own supporters in all fairness, the noises never went away when we were linked with that Japanese goalkeeper but there was never anything in it.
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Most of the noise is coming from our own supporters in all fairness, the noises never went away when we were linked with that Japanese goalkeeper but there was never anything in it.
Or the noises for gardener,Phillips ??
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Most of the noise is coming from our own supporters in all fairness, the noises never went away when we were linked with that Japanese goalkeeper but there was never anything in it.
On some Arsenal boards there is zero noise. They've done the sensible thing and ignored what was always a weak story. They're knee deep chasing Mustafi, a World Cup winner whose a starting CB for Germany. He's going to cost a couple more quid than what we'd want for Evans. No brainer.
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On some Arsenal boards there is zero noise. They've done the sensible thing and ignored what was always a weak story. They're knee deep chasing Mustafi, a World Cup winner whose a starting CB for Germany. He's going to cost a couple more quid than what we'd want for Evans. No brainer.
Real Madrid once signed Thomas gravesen and Julian faubert, Liverpool once chuffed a shed load on Andy Carroll .
I'm not saying it's happening but it could and it's not so unrealistic
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Real Madrid once signed Thomas gravesen and Julian faubert, Liverpool once chuffed a shed load on Andy Carroll .
I'm not saying it's happening but it could and it's not so unrealistic
Look at logically and you will realise it's very unrealistic.
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£15m and its bye bye Johnny
£35m no less
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Look at logically and you will realise it's very unrealistic.
You give me any reason why it won't happen and I'll give you double the reasons it will.
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You give me any reason why it won't happen and I'll give you double the reasons it will.
It will happen, but we must hope it will be for the correct amount (i.e. £35m!) - he will have a clause in the contract for an amount (i.e. £15m) and a top 4 club (i.e. backside), this would have a been a big reason in him joining us.
The clause may well be £15m which is sad as the market has now exploded since last year when we signed him and he is worth much much more.
Just hope we have a quality defender lined up :(
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You give me any reason why it won't happen and I'll give you double the reasons it will.
1. Arsenal are as prudent spenders as anyone. Notoriously so. They will not pay our asking price which will be a minimum of £20m.
2. As said before, they're knee deep in for Mustafi, have been for as long as this rumour was fabricated and just have a fee to agree.
3. They need 1 CB (Mustafi) not 2. Evans has not been chased by Arsenal at any point this summer. Unless what's written the Daily Star next to a horrific picture of a 69 year old woman constitutes as legitimate.
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I can not see Evans going to Arsenal for a variety of reasons, not least of which that there fans would wrongly go mad!
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Arsenal losing 3-1 to Liverpool. More pressure on Wenger to find a center back ? Please not Evans.
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them signing evans is the equivlent of us resigning judas from hull. just aint happening. they DESPISE him
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Just how good is this man? Absolutely superb yesterday and nullified the threat of Townsend.
I much prefer him at centre half but there's no doubting he's been more than capable at left back.
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He is clam on the ball and he has great passing skill. When he play at centre back, we can try to organize from the back and play less long ball.
Can' wait to see he move back to central defender role if we sign a left back later.
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I hope he doesn't go those Gooners fans don't want him but he is better than any of their current centre backs. Worth at least 30 million.
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them signing evans is the equivlent of us resigning judas from hull. just aint happening. they DESPISE him
So why do they DESPISE him ? is it just the ex Man U factor ? (he's not good enough for Utd so he's not good enough for us ? )As usual it's probably 20% don't want him.....40% don't care either way and 40% realise it would be a common sense signing for Arsenal. Of course the noisy minority tend to be reported.
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So why do they DESPISE him ? is it just the ex Man U factor ? (he's not good enough for Utd so he's not good enough for us ? )As usual it's probably 20% don't want him.....40% don't care either way and 40% realise it would be a common sense signing for Arsenal. Of course the noisy minority tend to be reported.
Man Utd left a quality defender go and he would walk onto the arsoles back four without question. Johnny will only get better and I am delighted it is with us
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Gooners fans don't rate him because he isn't called Evansinio.
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He is clam on the ball and he has great passing skill. When he play at centre back, we can try to organize from the back and play less long ball.
Can' wait to see he move back to central defender role if we sign a left back later.
watching him impose himself against Townsend yesterday, you almost felt sorry for the Palace debutant !
Seeing how the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool defend makes you wonder how they scout players as Evans must be as good as anything in the EPL at present and following on from a brilliant Euros. Happy for him to stay under the radar mind !
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Gooners fans don't rate him because he isn't called Evansinio.
Just proves what most of these Glory Hunting types of the big four/five teams know about real football!
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If we had £200m in the bank, needed a new CB to partner a World Class one we'd probably react the same to be honest. Rationality often goes out the window with a lack of perception. It's us who lack it in this instance. Evans is a very underrated top notch CB but he's no Mustafi in my opinion.
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Made me laugh today watching Arsenals defence get destroyed and yet their fans were sneering towards Evans.
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It's not often I think a player is too good for us, but this guy is quality.
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Our best player, wouldn't take less than 30.
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He is solidly worth more to us than to the backside.
We are thinking about becoming a top half team.
We need players of his ilk to build the team.
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Our best player, wouldn't take less than 30.
if stones is 49 then 30 for evans is chicken feed,out of the two we have the better
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So why do they DESPISE him ? is it just the ex Man U factor ? (he's not good enough for Utd so he's not good enough for us ? )As usual it's probably 20% don't want him.....40% don't care either way and 40% realise it would be a common sense signing for Arsenal. Of course the noisy minority tend to be reported.
They used to terrorise him when he played for man ute, songs, booing, the lot. I think he either did a bad tackle in one of his first games against them and they never forgave him, or they got on his back and he made a mistake against them so they never let it go. Either way they all hate him
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Where does Jonny rank in terms of centre backs at the club? Probably the best we've had during the modern Premier League era for me, where does he rank all time?
We've not done the "All time Albion XI" thread for a wile but I would certainly have him in there alongside either Robertson or Wile now. Come to think about it, I might have GMac and Evans as my all time CH pairing.
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We've not done the "All time Albion XI" thread for a wile but I would certainly have him in there alongside either Robertson or Wile now. Come to think about it, I might have GMac and Evans as my all time CH pairing.
Chris Whyte was class too, the short time we had him.
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Chris Whyte was class too, the short time we had him.
Martyn Bennett - 100% class !
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Martyn Bennett - 100% class !
Both good shouts but better than Gmac and Evans? Hard to say. Either way, just shows how good this pair are.
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Martyn Bennett - 100% class !
Martin Bennett, fantastic defender.Reminds me very much of John Stones
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Best defender we have had in a very long time, still find it hard to believe we managed to get him.
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Chuffed we have him but he's too good for us - should be at a top four club really.
We should look to try and build the side around him for the rest of his career.
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Seen some great centre half`s for Albion but Evans has to be near the top not only a great centre half or full back but also a great footballer what a snip. Never too good for us top 6 don`t know what they missed.
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I think he has been very steady for us and a good signing, still annoyed at the punch on Rosenberg during the 5-5
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I think he has been very steady for us and a good signing, still annoyed at the punch on Rosenberg during the 5-5
Good job we're more forgiving than the Arsenal lot.
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Evans is a class act. It's interesting to see people listing him alongside the Wile, Robertson, Bennett, Whyte's. Wile and Robertson were a unit for years it's hard to compare one without the other so the best comparisons are with Bennett and Whyte.
Martyn Bennett's career was cut woefully short due to injuries. Chris Whyte went on to win the league with Leeds. That's the sort of level Evans has to aspire to but of course he was previously won the league at Man United.
It's difficult to judge but I'd say Evans rates above Bennett because Bennett never was able to really fulfil his potential.
Evans v Whyte is a close call but that's no disgrace as Whyte was real class act while we had him especially as he played alongside Stacey "Long throw" North who was blummin rubbish.
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Absolute class act.
Slots into left back and does a great job, easily our best defender.
Brilliant signing he has turned out to be.
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I think he has been very steady for us and a good signing, still annoyed at the punch on Rosenberg during the 5-5
Blimey I forgot all about that, from what I've seen of him for us that was well out of character.
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Blimey I forgot all about that, from what I've seen of him for us that was well out of character.
Wasn't there a spitting incident too?
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Wasn't there a spitting incident too?
Yep, he is no saint, but sometimes you need that type of player, but when they are in a Man U shirt it's easier to dislike :D
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Wasn't there a spitting incident too?
Him and Cisse from Newcastle I forgot about that too. I remember him denying that he ever spat at him just down toward the floor but the video evidence didn't reflect well on him if I remember rightly.
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We've been quite lucky at CB. Albrechtsen is always the 'what if' one for me. Gaardsoe was very good but Siggurdsson was always our most underrated defender. Evans is just quality.
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Tommy G would have gone on to be a top 6 PL player. One of the best we've had.
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what about Darren Purse? ...............
Yes, I am joking !
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Well, if we are permitted to inject some humour into the thread what about Stan Jones (if you're old enough to remember him). He wasn't the greatest but he was entertaining.
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Well, if we are permitted to inject some humour into the thread what about Stan Jones (if you're old enough to remember him). He wasn't the greatest but he was entertaining.
So I've been supporting / going since early -mid 70's and that name eludes me! When was this?
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So I've been supporting / going since early -mid 70's and that name eludes me! When was this?
Stan Jones was early to mid sixties pre Kaye and Talbut days , without checking was possibly in league cup winning side in 1966
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Yes Stan's that was Stan's era. He was excellent with his head and in the tackle but not too hot with the ball at his feet. It was best if he had a team-mate close by who could take the ball from him! Good servant of the Baggies.
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Stan Jones was early to mid sixties pre Kaye and Talbut days , without checking was possibly in league cup winning side in 1966
Ahh, so Johnny "run through walls" Kaye, John Talbot and Dick Kryzwicki are my earliest memories of C-H's. As a diminutive kid, they seemed like Giants.
From memory I think John Kaye had shoulders as wide as he was tall though !
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Kryzwicki was a winger wasn't he
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Kryzwicki was a winger wasn't he
Wicki (see what I did?) has him as a mid-fielder, once again, my memory fails me, what was i doing ?
thanks for correcting me BTW.
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Wicki (see what I did?) has him as a mid-fielder, once again, my memory fails me, what was i doing ?
thanks for correcting me BTW.
You thinking of Eddie Colquhoun by any chance?
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Stan Jones was early to mid sixties pre Kaye and Talbut days , without checking was possibly in league cup winning side in 1966
According to Wiki...
However he missed the 1966 Football League Cup Final, Albion's only trophy win during his time at the club, due to injury
Back on Evans though... he is the best defender I have seen at West Brom, but my favorite two defenders were Paul Robinson and Darren Moore
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You thinking of Eddie Colquhoun by any chance?
Don't think so, I was thinking big, ugly, dark hair side parting, might well have been John Talbut! Memory plays tricks nowadays.
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Don't think so, I was thinking big, ugly, dark hair side parting, might well have been John Talbut! Memory plays tricks nowadays.
That does sound like John Talbut. He was CH when I first started going.
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Can we move it back to Jonny Evans please lads.
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16m turned down by us form Arsenal according to Twitter, if this is true then ...
A...they are clearly interested
B....they will be back
C.....he will be off
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I'd be surprised if it were true - just trying to think of the last time Wenger actually signed a player with decent premier league experience for more than a token fee? Though it'd be a shrewd move from them if he did go. Even if their fans would prefer an exotic name (even if in 6 months it turns out they aren't anywhere near as good).
Another unhappy player is the last thing we need.
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they've had a couple of bids.
he's a class act, we dont want to sell.
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At the price we will be willing to sell for, they will be able to get someone else - as we will be looking for more than he is objectively worth - so i dont think this will happen
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Will be our worst bit of business this summer if we lose Evans.
We wont be able to replace him, without spending stupid money.
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I think he's irreplaceable for us. No one of his ability would want to join us, we only got him in the first instance as a result of a bizarre perception that people had that because he began at Man United he was of a similar ilk to Wes Brown, O'Shea etc.
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I think he's irreplaceable for us. No one of his ability would want to join us, we only got him in the first instance as a result of a bizarre perception that people had that because he began at Man United he was of a similar ilk to Wes Brown, O'Shea etc.
Evans and Fletcher for that matter would both still be at United if Fergie was still in charge.
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The only way I could possibly think of selling him is if we were offered a quality striker or centre midfielder in exchange or part exchange for him. We could never replace him like for like but I'm sure we could get a good defender. Trouble is, it's so late to be doing big business , it would be suicide to overhaul our defence now considering this is so important to Pulis' Albionand we have enough issues to fix with the squad and so little time to do it.
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Ive got this nagging feeling that Evans could go.
I really hope not as he should our first choice centre half for every game.
Ive just got this sinking feeling that Arsenal will come in with a 20m bid and he will go
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Ive got this nagging feeling that Evans could go.
I really hope not as he should our first choice centre half for every game.
Ive just got this sinking feeling that Arsenal will come in with a 20m bid and he will go
Then it really would be panic stations...
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Out of everything that is going on right now if Evans left i would be devastated.
By far the best player we've had in the last 20 years, maybe even longer. That's off the top of my head before people quote me on it lol
The man is just top class, 2 footed, play in a number of positions, doesn't moan about it, composure on the ball, decent pace aswell.
When i watched him last week i just thought, really and truthfully, he's too good for our team
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You just know that this will happen.
The grounds are being prepared.
http://talksport.com/football/tony-pulis-hails-jonny-evans-suggests-west-brom-could-sell-arsenal-target-if-they-find
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I didn't like the tone of TP's comments this morning. He more or less implied that if the offer is big enough then Evans can go. That's a terrible indictment of our Club. He should be coming out with the comment, "Evans will not be leaving in any circumstances."
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I am surprised by the tone of Tone's words as well (pun intended).
I thought it was unlikely as Arsenal will need to offer 20+ million in the current market and with how stubborn we are, but Pulis has left a bit of doubt in everyone's mind now, and it may be that Arsenal may be prepared to spend that to get Evans if necessary.
If that happens, I do fear for us. We have found it hard to improve the squad as it is, replacing arguably our best player would be an unenviable task.
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Wenger is under pressure to buy and from his comments yesterday he will spend. I can see something happening here too.
Don't worry though if he does go we still have Olsson and have Brunt to return. We'll be fine. Don't forget Pulis guarantees survival. ;)
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Easily our best player, no one wants him to leave but if Arsenal bid crazy money you can see the board accepting it (if Evans wants out). Although after the Saido saga I think it will take a lot to get him. The question is does Evans want to go?
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Does he have a clause in his contract maybe, I know this has been mentioned before.
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I am surprised by the tone of Tone's words as well (pun intended).
I thought it was unlikely as Arsenal will need to offer 20+ million in the current market and with how stubborn we are, but Pulis has left a bit of doubt in everyone's mind now, and it may be that Arsenal may be prepared to spend that to get Evans if necessary.
If that happens, I do fear for us. We have found it hard to improve the squad as it is, replacing arguably our best player would be an unenviable task.
I thought that too. Perhaps he has a buy out clause for a champions league team and Evans has expressed an interest? If you were jonny Evans would you really favour Albion over a possible champions league and top four team?
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Easily our best player, no one wants him to leave but if Arsenal bid crazy money you can see the board accepting it (if Evans wants out). Although after the Saido saga I think it will take a lot to get him. The question is does Evans want to go?
Chasing the title and Champions League or a relegation battle? It might take him a while to decide. :D
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If Evans goes I think it shows that we have no real ambition.
We might as well get Mowbray in and yo yo between the Championship and the Prem every year.
At least the fans were onside, there were more of them, it was exciting, the football was better, we gave the big boys an occasional bloody nose, and we had something to shout about every other year.
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Selling Evans, particularly having just sold Chester, would be gross negligence on our part.
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If Evans goes I think it shows that we have no real ambition.
We might as well get Mowbray in and yo yo between the Championship and the Prem every year.
At least the fans were onside, there were more of them, it was exciting, the football was better, we gave the big boys an occasional bloody nose, and we had something to shout about every other year.
i thinks hes lost his mojo.
selling evans would be dangerous, Caulker replacing him?
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Just watched Tony on youtube and I'll have to watch again because I didn't see anywhere that he wanted or was even happy to sell Jonny ::).
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Just watched Tony on youtube and I'll have to watch again because I didn't see anywhere that he wanted or was even happy to sell Jonny ::).
Was just about to say the same thing. Strange thing perception.
Nobody seems to have picked up on the fact he said he was more confident that we would get players in this week than last.
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Was just about to say the same thing. Strange thing perception.
Nobody seems to have picked up on the fact he said he was more confident that we would get players in this week than last.
Grasp the most tenuous stick and use it to beat Pulis or the club with - supporting Albion 101.
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Just watched Tony on youtube and I'll have to watch again because I didn't see anywhere that he wanted or was even happy to sell Jonny ::).
I don't think anyone's claimed that he said he would be happy about it. What they said was he didn't categorically say that he's not for sale. Here's a quote: "If Arsenal come in for Jonny, if we do any business we'll do it between the clubs. The most important thing is that Jonny is with us and we want him to stay because he's an outstanding player. Last Saturday, whether it was (Andros) Townsend or (Wilfried) Zaha, and it's not Jonny's favourite position playing as a full-back, he was most probably our best player on the pitch. You don't want to lose your best players, but in football sometimes that happens. If it does happen, you need to make sure you know where your replacements are."
Those words could be interpreted as Pulis almost saying that he thinks Evans will go and it's that inference that I think might have caused people some concern.
Source: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/19/tony-pulis-says-he-hasnt-received-any-bids-for-jonny-evans/)
Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/19/tony-pulis-says-he-hasnt-received-any-bids-for-jonny-evans/#yRu0MeGtW5RRtvUK.99
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I don't think anyone's claimed that he said he would be happy about it. What they said was he didn't categorically say that he's not for sale. Here's a quote: "If Arsenal come in for Jonny, if we do any business we'll do it between the clubs. The most important thing is that Jonny is with us and we want him to stay because he's an outstanding player. Last Saturday, whether it was (Andros) Townsend or (Wilfried) Zaha, and it's not Jonny's favourite position playing as a full-back, he was most probably our best player on the pitch. You don't want to lose your best players, but in football sometimes that happens. If it does happen, you need to make sure you know where your replacements are."
Those words could be interpreted as Pulis almost saying that he thinks Evans will go and it's that inference that I think might have caused people some concern.
Source: Express & Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/19/tony-pulis-says-he-hasnt-received-any-bids-for-jonny-evans/)
Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/19/tony-pulis-says-he-hasnt-received-any-bids-for-jonny-evans/#yRu0MeGtW5RRtvUK.99
And I think he's saying everyones got a price and it could be ANYONE in the club and as HE said it fills newspapers and media :P
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Pulis must have lost the plot.
Sells Chester, says he may sell Evans, and thinks Rondom may go to Spain.
Not to mention Saido.
Might as well sell the team.
No one should be for sale, we need new players to increase the squad the way Pulis is talking we will need replacements just to stand still.
He can't attract players with his style of play. Bet Steve Bruce could.
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Pulis must have lost the plot.
Sells Chester, says he may sell Evans, and thinks Rondom may go to Spain.
Not to mention Saido.
Might as well sell the team.
No one should be for sale, we need new players to increase the squad the way Pulis is talking we will need replacements just to stand still.
He can't attract players with his style of play. Bet Steve Bruce could.
no he didn't, there were so many "ifs" in what he said. Why don't you focus on the bit where he said "the most important thing is that Jonny is with us and we want him to stay"
Phillips has come, Schlupp and Taylor both want to come but their clubs won't allow them to move, so that's 3 players who are willing to come here.
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no he didn't, there were so many "ifs" in what he said. Why don't you focus on the bit where he said "the most important thing is that Jonny is with us and we want him to stay"
Phillips has come, Schlupp and Taylor both want to come but their clubs won't allow them to move, so that's 3 players who are willing to come here.
They are not the most exciting of names though are they? We are pretty much guaranteed to be able to attract anyone from the Championship but so would the likes of Hull and Burnley. Schlupp can't get a game at Leicester so of course he'd be interested in coming here. I think what he meant was attracting quality players here. A Slimani for example.
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So we are worrying about Evans being sold after we have found a replacement. That will probably be in around two to three transfer windows time!
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no he didn't, there were so many "ifs" in what he said. Why don't you focus on the bit where he said "the most important thing is that Jonny is with us and we want him to stay"
Phillips has come, Schlupp and Taylor both want to come but their clubs won't allow them to move, so that's 3 players who are willing to come here.
Add Sakho to that list, he wanted to come.
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no he didn't, there were so many "ifs" in what he said. Why don't you focus on the bit where he said "the most important thing is that Jonny is with us and we want him to stay"
Sorry mate, but "you don't want to lose your best players, but in football sometimes that happens" certainly does indicate to me that we might sell him. No-one can claim that Pulis has said that he's happy and willing for Evans to be sold, but he's definitely hinted that he might be.
It would be madness to sell our best player, even more so at this late stage of the transfer window, but it's hard to resist the bigger clubs if the player wants to move to one of them. If Evans is settled in Manchester, he might not want to move to Arsenal anyway, should they offer an amount that the club regards as acceptable.
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All that means is if Arsenal offered £25-30m tomorrow the club would probably accept the offer. That's a lot different from them actively trying to sell the player!
Everybody has a price. It would take an 'unbelievable fee' and a replacement in place to get Berahino too.
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Need to look at the picture as a whole.
- No one knows if Evans has any conditions factored into his contract should a 'top 4 team' come in for him
- We are not a big club, regardless of whether we like it or not, everyone of our players has a price.
- We were extremely lucky to get Evans in the first place, Fletcher paid a huge part in getting him here.
- Evans hasnt come out and stated he wants to leave, and the way he has conducted himself since being here, I would put my house on him not saying anything otherwise, as he seems very professional.
- The facts are of course we dont want to sell him, hes arguably our best player, but should a bid of 20million plus come in, and he privately expresses a desire to move, who are we to get in his way. (the same can be said for any of our players).
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All that means is if Arsenal offered £25-30m tomorrow the club would probably accept the offer. That's a lot different from them actively trying to sell the player!
Has anyone suggested that we're actively trying to sell him?
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He's quite easily and simply our best player. After the shocker of a summer that we have had, if we sell Jonny I'd be furious. I actually think he could be the best player that we've had on my lifetime, the guy is simply class. I've read so many Arsenal comments sneering at their interest in him and have to laugh to myself, especially how embarrassing their central defenders are (bar Koiscelney sp?).
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If and it is just an IF, Jonny has a clause in his contract, TP will be all to aware of that, and he will be resigned to losing him unless non-footballing issues cause JE to want to stay put.
It does sound to me as though we will lose JE, but much as I dislike TP, this may well be due to circumstances beyond his control.
Someone needs to be having a word in Mrs Evans lughole !
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He's quite easily and simply our best player. After the shocker of a summer that we have had, if we sell Jonny I'd be furious. I actually think he could be the best player that we've had on my lifetime, the guy is simply class. I've read so many Arsenal comments sneering at their interest in him and have to laugh to myself, especially how embarrassing their central defenders are (bar Koiscelney sp?).
I completely agree. He is one of the best defenders in the world for me, top 20 for sure. He has improved as a player since he signed for us too which I think is down to playing without the media pressure. Some may disagree with me but I think he would walk into any defense in the country. For a player of his ability in this current financial climate, I wouldn't be entertaining anything much less than John Stones kind of money.
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He's under contract, we don't have to sell him and if we did we could name our own price.
Chester gone, Brunt injured, Bera uninterested, Rondon???? sell Evans and we will go down.
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Mind you,think of the profit we would make, thats why we are all Albion fans isn't it?
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I did say days ago he will go,and it's nobody's fault.
Let's just admit that Arsenal are bigger, good players have ambition and everyone wants to earn more.
Worst outcome is we haggle and leave it to late , best is anything north of 22m or a really good midfielder as part of the deal.
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Mind you,think of the profit we would make, thats why we are all Albion fans isn't it?
Everyone's got a price, I wouldn't the begrudge the club for selling him for £35m-£40m and replacing with quality for £20m (providing the fee was warranted to the players ability), but I just cannot see how we would pull that off. If we could bring in quality then it would not be an issue, for me though, Evans is pure gold and I'd love to see him stay but if sill money comes knocking then we would be silly not to take it providing we replace him.
I think we all need to give it a year from September 1st 2016 and see what we are dealing with our new owners and chairman. Rome wasn't built in a day and with the new ownership, any conclusions to how we will operate are premature, as they need time to bed in. Any signings made will need time for us to judge (remember when everyone was slaughtering Rondon last season??), it's the same thing with the new owners and chairman. JW is well respected and knows what is needed, let's give the new regime a chance.
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The only slight negative with Evans is he is prone to injury. I doubt he'll go long before he tweaks his hamstring. It would be the only consideration to selling him for silly money
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We are are small fish in a big pond and if the big fish want what we got they'll take it or it will unsettle the player we lose both ways, if we sell the money never seems to be ploughed back into the team, or is that just my imagination, maybe things will change when the new owner get to grips with things I don't know. I won't be holding my breath, as for Evans the united fans I know can't believe we hold him in such high esteem.
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I did say days ago he will go,and it's nobody's fault.
Let's just admit that Arsenal are bigger, good players have ambition and everyone wants to earn more.
Worst outcome is we haggle and leave it to late , best is anything north of 22m or a really good midfielder as part of the deal.
Unbelievable that people actually want us to sell our best players even though we have not signed anyone.
Sometimes i doubt i am on an Albion board.
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We are are small fish in a big pond and if the big fish want what we got they'll take it or it will unsettle the player we lose both ways, if we sell the money never seems to be ploughed back into the team, or is that just my imagination, maybe things will change when the new owner get to grips with things I don't know. I won't be holding my breath, as for Evans the united fans I know can't believe we hold him in such high esteem.
A Yanited fan told me he was gutted with the Ibra signing. ;)
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Campbell and Gibbs as part of a deal?
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Unbelievable that people actually want us to sell our best players even though we have not signed anyone.
Sometimes i doubt i am on an Albion board.
Kindly point out where I said that?
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It all hinges on Arsenals bid for Mustafi, if he signs we are fine if not expect Evans to go for £25m or so. Although it does look like Mustafi will sign for Arsenal.
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In my opinion it would be stupid if not suicidal to let him go.
He is a rock in our team.
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Kindly point out where I said that?
It's the apathy i am relating to on this board.
Someone comes after our players it's, Oh well they are a bigger club and we are little Albion. Someone beats us to a signing and it's, Oh well if he gets injured they will be screwed i am glad we aren't in their shoes, we dodged a bullet there. We don't sign anyone and it's, Oh well, why are people panicking, it's only May and players are on hols, it's only June and players are at the Euro's, it's only July, plenty of time yet, it might be August but we have until the end of it, the season has started but we still have a couple of weeks left, we will sign someone once other clubs start buying, ooh it should be interesting to see who we will be signing on the last day.
Oh well, we have got some big earners off our wage bill, glad we make a profit we could be like Leeds or Portsmouth. :)
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It would be madness to let Evans go and given he has a contract with us to 2019 there is no compelling reason to do so.
However there is a point when it gets tough to say no and frankly saying no would just alienate the player to the point that he downs tools (wrong I know but that is the reality). Evans is 28 in the form of his life and a shot at the big time beckons with Arsenal at £16m the club can easily say no, less so at £20m but at £25m the player is likely to feel aggrieved.
There are two reasons that this might not happen firstly Arsenal signing of an alternative and Mustafi does look likely and the willingness of Arsenal to go beyond £20m.
For the sake of clarity I don't want to sell Evans but every player at every club does have a price but in many instances that price is prohibitive. Did Juve really want to sell Pogba? Probabably not, but the deal was done and Juve are a lot closer in stature to Man U than we are to Arsenal.
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Williams has explained in his statement that prices bring quoted for players are, quite frankly, too high.
So how much would we have to pay for a proven premiership player at an established premier club, with international experience, trophies under his belt and the best player at his club? In the current climate....
How much will Sunderland want for Lamin Kone or Burnley for Keane or Stoke for Shawcross? Evans is arguably better than all.
So if Arsenal come asking, the price Mr Williams should quote should be, quite frankly, too high.
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Everyone's got a price, I wouldn't the begrudge the club for selling him for £35m-£40m and replacing with quality for £20m (providing the fee was warranted to the players ability), but I just cannot see how we would pull that off. If we could bring in quality then it would not be an issue, for me though, Evans is pure gold and I'd love to see him stay but if sill money comes knocking then we would be silly not to take it providing we replace him.
I think we all need to give it a year from September 1st 2016 and see what we are dealing with our new owners and chairman. Rome wasn't built in a day and with the new ownership, any conclusions to how we will operate are premature, as they need time to bed in. Any signings made will need time for us to judge (remember when everyone was slaughtering Rondon last season??), it's the same thing with the new owners and chairman. JW is well respected and knows what is needed, let's give the new regime a chance.
mate you have hit the formula on the head when it comes to transfer negotiations everybody's got a price, any chance someone who's ITK could inform the transfer department
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/22/arsenal-suffer-another-transfer-setback-as-west-brom-demand-25m/
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About what we would need to replace him, seems fair.
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Too late for a club like us to replace Evans plus I don't see Wenger spending that much on him.
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Talksport have just said Arsenal to offer £25million for Evans.
That ain't Championship change, Interesting to see what we do.
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TalkSport may as well be called Talk pooh.
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TalkSport may as well be called Talk pooh.
My mistake WBA have apparently slapped a £25million valuation on Evans.
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To be honest I don't believe we have put a valuation on any of our players.
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As I read it, from the Telegraph, we will not sell him for any less than £25 million, with a club valuation of £30 million - not sure where that's come from, but if it's from the club, it's a mighty dangerous tactic.
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As I read it, from the Telegraph, we will not sell him for any less than £25 million, with a club valuation of £30 million - not sure where that's come from, but if it's from the club, it's a mighty dangerous tactic.
Arsenal are a victim of there own making. If we aint careful people will start ramping up the prices the more desparate we get.
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Arsenal are a victim of there own making. If we aint careful people will start ramping up the prices the more desparate we get.
Slightly off topic Jim, but you would hope we have identified our targets & are well on the way by now, but it does show just how difficult the window has been this year & is probably set to get a whole lot worse.
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I just don't see how we can possibly sell Evans this late in the window, it would leave us bare arsed in 2 positions, CH and LB. Doesn't matter how much we get, I just can't see us getting replacements in in time. Would be an unmitigated disaster.
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Arsenal are a victim of there own making. If we aint careful people will start ramping up the prices the more desparate we get.
I agree. I think we are in to desperate territory now. It's fairly obvious who our main targets were and we've been unable to sign them. Going for the likes of Galloway and Rodriguez highlight this for me. I'll be surprised if we make another 2 signings. I don't think the window has been difficult and other teams have managed to make signings. We've made it difficult for ourselves by narrowing our market to British based players.
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As I read it, from the Telegraph, we will not sell him for any less than £25 million, with a club valuation of £30 million - not sure where that's come from, but if it's from the club, it's a mighty dangerous tactic.
Not really, we don't want to sell him, so if they want him they can pay up big time.
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I just don't see how we can possibly sell Evans this late in the window, it would leave us bare arsed in 2 positions, CH and LB. Doesn't matter how much we get, I just can't see us getting replacements in in time. Would be an unmitigated disaster.
You are forgetting that we have Corberan Pulis in charge. Never been relegated, guarantees survival. We would also make a huge profit. Happy days! :D
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You are forgetting that we have Corberan Pulis in charge. Never been relegated, guarantees survival. We would also make a huge profit. Happy days! :D
Phew, what was I thinking.
Get Anichebe back on a free, play him in Centre Mid, push Fletcher back to Centre Half, job's a good un, cheap as chips ;)
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Not really, we don't want to sell him, so if they want him they can pay up big time.
Haven't we named a price though, we don't know what Leicester will ask for Schlupp?
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There we go...
Matt Wilson Verified â€@mattwilson_star:
#wba have NOT put a £25m price tag on Evans. Understand he's simply not for sale
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The two Arsenal links on this message board i cant find anywhere were they are discussing Evans
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arsenal supporters from what i can see are not discussing evans :-X
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Matt Wilson â€@mattwilson_star :
#wba have NOT put a £25m price tag on Evans. Understand he's simply not for sale
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There we go...
Matt Wilson Verified â€@mattwilson_star:
#wba have NOT put a £25m price tag on Evans. Understand he's simply not for sale
Very good news. Get the new LB in place and put him back in the middle where he belongs!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/22/arsenal-suffer-another-transfer-setback-as-west-brom-demand-25m/
Media and backside fans reaction is hilarious
How dare they want to make £19m profit at our expense.
:o
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Evans to Arsenal never happening in this window. We're not going to sell him for the sort of price that Wenger would see value in.
Case closed.
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35 million+ and I'd consider it providing we had someone top quality to come in, but I cannot see us being able to attract any proven player as good as Evans. He has to stay. I think players like that are the difference between relegation and survival with the current squad we have at the minute.
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35 million+ and I'd consider it providing we had someone top quality to come in, but I cannot see us being able to attract any proven player as good as Evans. He has to stay. I think players like that are the difference between relegation and survival with the current squad we have at the minute.
You can see it now really, a last minute panic offer from Arsenal with 12 hours of the window open that is too good to turn down. We accept but have no time to find a suitable replacement.......absolutely the wrong thing to do is 'take the money'. Evans is class and we need more like him, not plan for the championship.
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Nope. Arsenal won't do that.
They'd be more likely to last minute panic and attempt to bring in someone from France or Germany for £10m that could be a flop.
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2 things I take fro this
a) we should clearly state on the o /s "not for sale"
b) we need to realise that others will be playing the same hard ball with us and we have to react accordingly. If we REALLY want / need the player, we have to pay the price. I don't like it but its the market we are operating in - sadly (thanks SKY)
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Not in the squad tonight..... But then neither is Foster.... Best players taking a break (hopefully)...
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Never expected him to start tonight, injury prone and some say appeared to be carrying a niggle towards the end v Palace. I'm not concerned at all.
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2 things I take fro this
a) we should clearly state on the o /s "not for sale"
b) we need to realise that others will be playing the same hard ball with us and we have to react accordingly. If we REALLY want / need the player, we have to pay the price. I don't like it but its the market we are operating in - sadly (thanks SKY)
But what your saying we should do,is what Arsenal will also do
Trust me 22m+ and he's gone,and at that price I'd agree with the sale, plenty CB out there, you just need to look.
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At any club apart from the traditional top four in this league every player has a price.
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At any club apart from the traditional top four in this league every player has a price.
I'd say even top four can't hold top top players?
Bale/ronaldo/Suarez
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I'd say even top four can't hold top top players?
Bale/ronaldo/Suarez
Spurs weren't top 4 when they lost Bale. Had they been in Champions League they might have been able to keep him!
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Spurs weren't top 4 when they lost Bale. Had they been in Champions League they might have been able to keep him!
Real Madrid comes calling...you go.
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Johnny Evans set for a pay rise £75,000 a week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/05/jonny-evans-set-for-pay-rise-after-arsenal-failed-to-sign-west-b/
Good news. Should be able to finish his career with us.
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Johnny Evans set for a pay rise £75,000 a week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/05/jonny-evans-set-for-pay-rise-after-arsenal-failed-to-sign-west-b/
Good news. Should be able to finish his career with us.
Quite right too, our best player by far, with the possible exception of Chadli.
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Best defender we have had at the club in a LONG while.
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As much as I like Jonny Evans and I admit he`s been brilliant isn't that quote a slight on G MAC who`s been brilliant for 4 or 5 years.
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As much as I like Jonny Evans and I admit he`s been brilliant isn't that quote a slight on G MAC who`s been brilliant for 4 or 5 years.
No. G-Mac has been a fantastic signing, but Evans is on a different level. World Class defender.
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Listened to the second half commentary to the Czech Republic/NI game on Sunday. He sounded immense in an otherwise poor game and was singled out by the commentary team for his performance.
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As much as I like Jonny Evans and I admit he`s been brilliant isn't that quote a slight on G MAC who`s been brilliant for 4 or 5 years.
No not in the slighest, as you have said McAuley has been outstanding for the time hes been here especially when you factor in his age.
But if you compare the two, Evans is a class above him, we should be thankful we have them both to be honest, just a shame Gareth isnt getting any younger.
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No. G-Mac has been a fantastic signing, but Evans is on a different level. World Class defender.
If Evans was a world class defender, then he would either still be at Man United, or would have joined another club at that level.
He isn't world class. And he isn't one of our best EVER.
£75,000 would be far, far too much.
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If Evans was a world class defender, then he would either still be at Man United, or would have joined another club at that level.
He isn't world class. And he isn't one of our best EVER.
£75,000 would be far, far too much.
Many people have stated before that he shouldnt have been sold, he was a key figure for Fergie when fit.
Hes come to use and proven he is a good defender, and been linked with Arsenal for practically half the summer, whether there was any truth or not in the stories is a different matter.
He is a step above the rest of our defence, and would walk into 10-14 premier league defence teams in my opinion.
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If Evans was a world class defender, then he would either still be at Man United, or would have joined another club at that level.
He isn't world class. And he isn't one of our best EVER.
£75,000 would be far, far too much.
What a ridiculus post.
Evans is a world class defender who was dropped unexpectadly by Utd and we are extremely fortunate to have him with us. Arsenal links were true, and I honestly think Evans could easily walk into 17-18 of the teams defense and do a brilliant job.
£75000 is a sound investment, and thus we can tie him into a contract that allows us to pop a release clause in thats favorable to us.
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Many people have stated before that he shouldnt have been sold, he was a key figure for Fergie when fit.
Hes come to use and proven he is a good defender, and been linked with Arsenal for practically half the summer, whether there was any truth or not in the stories is a different matter.
He is a step above the rest of our defence, and would walk into 10-14 premier league defence teams in my opinion.
He'll do for me.
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My mate is a United fan, and he's laughing his backside off.
Not only have we taken Darren Fletcher off them, now we're going to pay actual money for Evans.
They are two of the worst players United have had over the last few years, and they've had some duff ones. It's easy to look good when you have world class players around you, and Evans couldn't even manage that.
I remember the 5-5 draw a few years back - any time Lukaku ran at him, he rubbish himself.
Just clicked on this thread for the first time.
Funny old game, isn't it :D
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We should be going all out to keep Evans here for longer, he is brilliant. I'm glad the club are trying to pin him down, whatever the cost.
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Just clicked on this thread for the first time.
Funny old game, isn't it :D
I stand by my opinion. I don't think he's actually that good, and I certainly wouldn't be describing him as world class.
And if you think I'm the only one, then look at the reactions of the Arsenal fans when they were linked, or the United fans when they got rid of him. People here are just blind to him because he comes from the all mighty United.
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No chance. Arsenal will think an ex-Man Utd player and a current West Brom player are below them. Some Man Utd fans will want to justify their selling of him. While I wouldn't go as far as world class, he's certainly head and shoulders above what we have. None of the Man Utd fans I know (I live in Manchester now :(, considered him or Fletcher as two of the worst players they've had. It's nothing to do with being blinded to ex-Man Utd, I was concerned that we'd gone and got ourselves an O'Shea or Wes Brown like Sunderland did.
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I stand by my opinion. I don't think he's actually that good, and I certainly wouldn't be describing him as world class.
And if you think I'm the only one, then look at the reactions of the Arsenal fans when they were linked, or the United fans when they got rid of him. People here are just blind to him because he comes from the all mighty United.
Very different issues. He's good for us. Arsenal wanted big name defenders, from other big clubs, for big fees, because they feel they need it. So do United. They've spent hundreds of millions the last three seasons and not challenged for the league. Just because Arsenal don't want him, and United got rid of him, doesn't mean he's not an excellent player. For us, he's essential. That's all that matters.
Torres was good for Liverpool, dire for Chelsea. Did he become a bad player overnight? Lukaku wasn't wanted at Chelsea, the fans didn't think he was good enough. He was superb here. Can only judge a player's worth when they pull on a shirt for that team - not before.
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I stand by my opinion. I don't think he's actually that good, and I certainly wouldn't be describing him as world class.
And if you think I'm the only one, then look at the reactions of the Arsenal fans when they were linked, or the United fans when they got rid of him. People here are just blind to him because he comes from the all mighty United.
He plays in a Northern Ireland team that qualified for the European Championships, & is so far doing ok in the world cup qualifiers. With the greatest respect to Jonas, as a footballer John Evans is head & shoulders above him. I'd say he's also one of the top 10 central defenders playing in the Premier League at the moment, & I certainly wouldn't swap him with Chris Smalling. For me John Evans is world class.
The one stand out thing that WBA is lacking at the moment is players with vision, hopefully Chadli can give us more of that, but IMO John Evans is one of the few that have it at the moment.
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It's just nice to have central defender who can actually play football as well as defend. In the last home game against Middlesborough he carried the ball forward into midfield several times, and always looked to pass to someone (not his fault that those in front of him were so static)
Jonas only has one trick, to hit a long diagonal ball to no one in particular
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There's no comparison in the distribution of Evans and Olsson. I actually thought Evans' distribution was an improvement on Yacob in the couple of games he played as DM.
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Played well for NI the other night.
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I stand by my opinion. I don't think he's actually that good, and I certainly wouldn't be describing him as world class.
And if you think I'm the only one, then look at the reactions of the Arsenal fans when they were linked, or the United fans when they got rid of him. People here are just blind to him because he comes from the all mighty United.
Or they actually watch him play week after week and have seen the evidence for themselves that he is a very good defender.
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Or they actually watch him play week after week and have seen the evidence for themselves that he is a very good defender.
I don't care where he came from, and I am certainly no 'fan' of past United players.
Jonny Evans is easily the best player in our squad and an absolute top defender. We are very lucky to have him.
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Very, very good player. Lacks a little concentration, pace and/or strength to be a starter for a regular champions league team in my opinion. Any level below that and he is fantastic. We are lucky to have him.
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Have just read that Evans is suspended for the Liverpool game.
Will that mean Olssen in to replace him, or maybe Nyom to move to right back, Gallaway in at left bank and Dawson to move to centre back?
Either way, we'll miss Evans for sure
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Have just read that Evans is suspended for the Liverpool game.
Will that mean Olssen in to replace him, or maybe Nyom to move to right back, Gallaway in at left bank and Dawson to move to centre back?
Either way, we'll miss Evans for sure
Yup, although I reckon it'll be Brunt at LB. Since Galloway made a couple of errors (I can't remember the game) he's not had a look in.
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Yup, although I reckon it'll be Brunt at LB. Since Galloway made a couple of errors (I can't remember the game) he's not had a look in.
Would be a little surprised if Brunt went straight in for a start, his interview after the match the other day he talks about how tiring it was getting back into proper competitive football. Would be a risk to throw him straight in.
Evans is a big loss but he managed to get those yellow cards very quickly so runs the risk of a further ban at some point as he won't get to the cut off period if he carries on at that rate.
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Can anyone who's seen them all tell me - has Evans got all those yellows because the rest of the defence leaves him under a lot of pressure, or is he reckless, or what? Five yellows by mid-October isn't clever.
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Maybe I havent been paying as much attention as I thought but I cant place those five yellows at all.
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Can anyone who's seen them all tell me - has Evans got all those yellows because the rest of the defence leaves him under a lot of pressure, or is he reckless, or what? Five yellows by mid-October isn't clever.
At least two professional fouls (they shall not pass) like Saturday in there.
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Can anyone who's seen them all tell me - has Evans got all those yellows because the rest of the defence leaves him under a lot of pressure, or is he reckless, or what? Five yellows by mid-October isn't clever.
He knows when he's going to be beaten and takes the opposition player down. He's certainly not overworked... When we're without the ball there are 9 or 10 men behind it.
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Looking on the stats websites he got a yellow against Palace first game, Everton second game, Bournemouth 4th game, and in the last two games against Sunderland and Spurs
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Also, all of his yellows have been very late on in the game. Not sure if that is him getting tired, or more of a take one for the team situation so late on:
84th Min - Palace
93rd Min - Everton
89th Min - Bournemouth
96th Min - Sunderland
94th Min - Spurs
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Also, all of his yellows have been very late on in the game. Not sure if that is him getting tired, or more of a take one for the team situation so late on:
84th Min - Palace
93rd Min - Everton
89th Min - Bournemouth
96th Min - Sunderland
94th Min - Spurs
now that is good analysis, maybe TP should take him off and put Gar...... no stop it now !
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Also, all of his yellows have been very late on in the game. Not sure if that is him getting tired, or more of a take one for the team situation so late on:
84th Min - Palace
93rd Min - Everton
89th Min - Bournemouth
96th Min - Sunderland
94th Min - Spurs
Very well spotted, must admit I hadn't noticed the pattern. This really should be something the training staff/manager should be addressing, not sure how exactly, but then I'm not paid £2 million a year to know
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a bigger miss than we realise imo and i didnt rate him that highly before he rocked up at the baggies,how wrong was i
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United fan here....go easy on the abuse ;)
I think yeah getting an excellent player and in a sense I'm very disappointed to see him go. On form, he's still the best defender we have. There was a time when we set the record for clean-sheets that he was arguably our best defender. He's an excellent passer and very good reader of the game. I think he'll do very well.
For the last 18 months for us, his confidence has been shot to pieces. He would be just returning to form and either get an injury setback or suspended. The spitting with Cisse was the final straw with LVG. He was actually coming back to form before that as well.
All-in-all, you're getting an excellent defender for a decent price. We are offloading a player who has been a great servant but is no longer in the managers plans. I really like Jonny and hope he does well for you guys.
I always love checking this thread to see how he's getting on. He entered my mind again at the weekend when he scored, glad to see so many on here seen what I was seeing when he played for us.
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He is a class act. Our best player at CB, RB and defensive midfield.
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'Sir Jonny' is total class Peter.
I was gobsmacked when we got him - has to be the signing of the year. He 'oozes' class on the pitch........
Your loss, our gain. Nice to see you keeping tabs on him.
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Our best cb certainly since Chris Whyte and quite probably since well before that too
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Great attacking leap for the goal at the weekend
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Great attacking leap for the goal at the weekend
Good header wasn't it. I thought he'd bag more for us
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He deserves the captain's armband.
He leads by example.
Hard work and endeavour.
I can't say that I have watched him disappear during matches.
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He deserves the captain's armband.
He leads by example.
Hard work and endeavour.
I can't say that I have watched him disappear during matches.
Thinly veiled sh it through a letter box :P ?
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Thinly veiled sh it through a letter box :P ?
True though...Ain't it?
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For me his worst performance in the stripes today, Rom had his number 3 and a half years ago though to be fair.
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Spot on Jacko.
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Never keep a clean sheet when he's in the team. #overrated
To be fair we've only kept 5 clean sheets all season. He's played in 3 of these. A more important stat is that he's played in 8 of our 11 wins this season.
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To be fair we've only kept 5 clean sheets all season. He's played in 3 of these. A more important stat is that he's played in 8 of our 11 wins this season.
Agreed mate, but he was very poor yesterday, and not too good last week.
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He's 'earnt' a few poor games but maybe the injury has impacted upon his firm now.
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Agreed mate, but he was very poor yesterday, and not too good last week.
Agree he was poor yesterday. Was just showing that we'd kept more clean sheets with him in the team than without. But most of us know that anyway
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Noticed Robert Pires saying that what Arsenal need is more British players who will shout a bit and lead. He's on the coaching staff at Arsenal and pretty sure his boy is in the academy.
I wonder what those Arsenal supporters who scoffed at the though of signing Evans last summer are thinking now ?
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People laughing when Arsenal were quoted £25 million for Evans. Easily good enough for a top six side, outstanding again the weekend, class act.
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To be fair we've only kept 5 clean sheets all season. He's played in 3 of these. A more important stat is that he's played in 8 of our 11 wins this season.
Says it all,with him we are a far better side.
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He deserves the captain's armband.
He leads by example.
Hard work and endeavour.
I can't say that I have watched him disappear during matches.
He'd be my captain as well chap ;)
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Sounds like he's very happy to have Fletch captain, for what it's worth so am I.
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Fletch is the best captain weve had since mccines, id say he might be even better at the role than our derek.
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Leicester bid £10m according to BBC. Even more laughable as they've just gone £12m rising to £17m for Maguire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40271696
Treble it and theres possibly a discussion to be had
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Leicester bid £10m according to BBC. Even more laughable as they've just gone £12m rising to £17m for Maguire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40271696
Treble it and theres possibly a discussion to be had
Leicester taking the proverbial p1$$ at that price. Reminds me of some other clubs cheapskate bidding
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Difficult to get annoyed as we do the same
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is this because he wants to go, his agent spreading the word?
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is this because he wants to go, his agent spreading the word?
Theres no doubting he is seriously annoyed Fletcher has gone. The difference being between Evans and Fletcher is we didnt offer the terms Fletcher wanted. He wanted a 2 year deal with a further deal in the clubs favour where as we offered a one year deal with the option of a further year that he must activate himself with appearences etc. Evans is our player and he would only be able to leave under our terms whether he wanted to go or not is redundant as he is under contract. I cant see him going personally. Despite Fletchers form dipping as the season went on theres no doubting he was influential around the place as is Evans and the club wont want to lose a player who is firsly our best player and two another player who has a big part to play off the pitch
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In today's market, unless there's an escape clause, we shouldn't even contemplate selling for less than 25m or maybe more? I suppose every player has their price but a 29 year old centre back at the prime of his life, with his pedigree should cost a fortune . Maybe he wants to double his money somewhere else, especially now his mate Fletch has gone. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of the end of him at the Albion, maybe with a top six club coming in for him rather than Leicester? I've seen this once or twice at Albion over the years as I'm sure you all have!
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is this because he wants to go, his agent spreading the word?
He said he'd go to Spain but can't see him going anywhere in the Prem unless we were relegated personally
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He said he'd go to Spain but can't see him going anywhere in the Prem unless we were relegated personally
I could-Arsenal would jump at the chance
10 Million is a joke but as someone else said- we do it to other clubs
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As much as we will be disappointed he probably will leave and we will spend all summer haggling over the price and he will leave on deadline day with the club saying we didn't have time to replace him..... or John Terry will replace him.
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What a pathetic, pathetic bid. Pure insulting. The guy is absolutely first class and worth far more to us.
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I cannot understand why fans get excited by "low" bids for players. The club will either accept it or as in this case just say no. There is nothing driving us to sell Evans unless he is desperate to leave because we haven't given his mate the contract he wanted.
In truth most professionals understand the game and I doubt he will throw his toys out of the pram over this. He might still want to do something else with his career, he was fairly frank with his admission that wants to play in Spain. Although to match his salary at the moment he probably have to snag a deal at Sevilla or better which I think is unlikely.
Leicester may have under cooked their opening bid but equally maybe they aren't going to over pay for a player who at 29 if he moves will be very unlikely to ever move for a bigger fee. Maguire on the other hand does have that in his favour.
Personally I wouldn't sell him for almost any price (okay something completely unrealistic maybe although with each passing day in this market I'm not even sure I know what constitutes plain stupid). That said I doubt that he will sign a contract extension which is unfortunate because at 31 he would still have plenty to offer but we don't have much of a fee invested in him so letting the contract run down isn't the worst thing we can do.
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Second bid incoming according to John Percy. If it ain't £25mill + then I'd tell Leicester to stop wasting their time
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Second bid incoming according to John Percy. If it ain't £25mill + then I'd tell Leicester to stop wasting their time
I don't like the sound of this. I'm guessing that Evans has been sounded out and liked what he'd heard
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I don't like the sound of this. I'm guessing that Evans has been sounded out and liked what he'd heard
Leicester from cheshire will not be ideal, he could drop fletch off on the way though.
On a more serious note, are we about to be asset stripped?
We have all looked to Lai as a benefactor / investor what if he thinks he can rape us and disappear into the ether?
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Lose Jonny Evans from our back four and we are well and truly ******* (please feel free to insert your own word here)
Unless there is the unlikely scenario that we have a better replacement lined up to get in on the last day of the window of course :o
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Leicester from cheshire will not be ideal, he could drop fletch off on the way though.
On a more serious note, are we about to be asset stripped?
We have all looked to Lai as a benefactor / investor what if he thinks he can rape us and disappear into the ether?
This is a player that is considering ending his career in Spain I don't think moving closer to Leicester is a big deal.
Asset stripped? It makes no sense , the value of the club is inextricably linked to the value of the Premier League TV contract. We can sell players at a profit but they have to be replaced with players good enough to maintain the club's Premier League status otherwise the value of the asset tanks.
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Sure I saw someone a few weeks ago on here say that Evans, Chadli, Rondon would be sold, could they be about to become proved 1/3rd correct!
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Thread for any rumours surrounding the departure of Jonny Evans.
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If they sell him for anything other than silly money, 25 million plus, then that's your lot from me and I'm being deadly serious. I would think pulis will go if we sell Evans and the reaction will be similar to Irvine being appointed. Worrying times, I know it's close season but we need someone to come out and say something soon over this deal.
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Evans and Foster are the only irreplaceable squad members we have in my opinion.
Maybe the club are turning the screw on Pulis and trying to force his hand? I'm fed up all ready and that's even before the turgid football starts :'(
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Evans and Foster are the only irreplaceable squad members we have in my opinion.
Maybe the club are turning the screw on Pulis and trying to force his hand? I'm fed up all ready and that's even before the turgid football starts :'(
We have played well without Evans this season. I like him and his attitude but he is slightly overrated by our fans because he is decent with the ball. I dont think his defensive part of the game would be impossible to replace. He would still be a big loss for us though.
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We have played well without Evans this season. I like him and his attitude but he is slightly overrated by our fans because he is decent with the ball. I dont think his defensive part of the game would be impossible to replace. He would still be a big loss for us though.
The only slight negative and it is slight negative is he is prone to an injury or two and can miss a few but little else
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Leicester from cheshire will not be ideal, he could drop fletch off on the way though.
On a more serious note, are we about to be asset stripped?
We have all looked to Lai as a benefactor / investor what if he thinks he can rape us and disappear into the ether?
I am very worried that this could become a reality with no new money being invested
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Unless we are relegated Evans won't leave for another English club
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Cant see us selling Evans, but this is Albion
He should be captain and will be Pulis's new goto guy I think.
Only way I can see us selling is a crazy bid, but we should be coming out and telling people if you want him this is the fee, not waiting on improved bids
Dont want him to go either way he is a class centre half
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Cant see us selling Evans, but this is Albion
He should be captain and will be Pulis's new goto guy I think.
Only way I can see us selling is a crazy bid, but we should be coming out and telling people if you want him this is the fee, not waiting on improved bids
Dont want him to go either way he is a class centre half
Isn't that saying he's for sale?
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Isn't that saying he's for sale?
Every player in the world is for sale at the right price though surely?
We set a price that we know clubs will not pay kind of negates that for me
Far too important to us to sell but slap a £35-40m price on his head and you stop the bids
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Every player in the world is for sale at the right price though surely?
We set a price that we know clubs will not pay kind of negates that for me
Far too important to us to sell but slap a £35-40m price on his head and you stop the bids
Agreed. Every player is for sale and if Leicester return with a stupid offer then it will be interesting to see how the club react. They can make a big statement to the fans by resisting any improved offer and offering him a new improved contract.
However, selling JE and bringing in Terry will empty the ground I fear........
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Agreed. Every player is for sale and if Leicester return with a stupid offer then it will be interesting to see how the club react. They can make a big statement to the fans by resisting any improved offer and offering him a new improved contract.
However, selling JE and bringing in Terry will empty the ground I fear........
Yep I'd want my season ticket money back for sure
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Agreed. Every player is for sale and if Leicester return with a stupid offer then it will be interesting to see how the club react. They can make a big statement to the fans by resisting any improved offer and offering him a new improved contract.
However, selling JE and bringing in Terry will empty the ground I fear........
Absolutely. Plus all our players will need to lock up their WAGS.
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Unless we are relegated Evans won't leave for another English club
I think it is naive to think that Leicester haven't been in touch with Evans' agent and got at least some encouragement for their approach for whatever reason.
For the right fee purely from a player trading perspective with 2 years left on a contract that is unlikely to be extended by the player then a sale makes sense. However what is the right price? To be worthwhile it has to be more than a replacement would cost so £10m ain't it, particularly as Leicester set a very unhelpful £17m benchmark for the talents of Harry Maguire.
Equally they were put off by the £30m being demanded for Gibson so probably wouldn't stump up £25m for Evans. If I had to guess there is a deal to be done around £20m at £15m we would be better off letting the contract run its course.
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Yep I'd want my season ticket money back for sure
I second that
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Only the Sun but they are reporting we are set to offer him a four year deal worth £100k-a-week.
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As good as Johnny Evans is looks like we have joined the Footballing Mad world Doh
The Sun - West Brom†@SunWestBrom 6h6 hours ago
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EXCLUSIVE: Jonny Evans set to bank £20m with £100,000-a-week contract http://thesun.uk/60158Wzxd
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As good as Johnny Evans is looks like we have joined the Footballing Mad world Doh
The Sun - West Brom†@SunWestBrom 6h6 hours ago
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EXCLUSIVE: Jonny Evans set to bank £20m with £100,000-a-week contract http://thesun.uk/60158Wzxd
If true then it is the first positive indication of intent under the Lai administration. Good to hear.
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As good as Johnny Evans is looks like we have joined the Footballing Mad world Doh
The Sun - West Brom†@SunWestBrom 6h6 hours ago
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EXCLUSIVE: Jonny Evans set to bank £20m with £100,000-a-week contract http://thesun.uk/60158Wzxd
sign of the times eh but no footballer is worth it
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As good as Johnny Evans is looks like we have joined the Footballing Mad world Doh
The Sun - West Brom†@SunWestBrom 6h6 hours ago
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EXCLUSIVE: Jonny Evans set to bank £20m with £100,000-a-week contract http://thesun.uk/60158Wzxd
We have got to join the mad world if we want to continue to play with the big boys
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We have got to join the mad world if we want to continue to play with the big boys
Of course the alternative to this is that we maintain our wage cap at however much it is, and JE leaves the club. Once this happens we all come onto sites like this and complain bitterly about how behind our club is........we can't win really can we?
As I have said earlier this is a good statement of intent if true.
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As good as Johnny Evans is looks like we have joined the Footballing Mad world Doh
The Sun - West Brom†@SunWestBrom 6h6 hours ago
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EXCLUSIVE: Jonny Evans set to bank £20m with £100,000-a-week contract http://thesun.uk/60158Wzxd
Very pleased with. Statement of intent by the new owner. Make him the highest paid player, give him the armband, 4 year deal. Class. Albion moving with the times when the likes of Arsenal struggling to do similar with their best players.
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To the people moaning I recommend hating the game not the player (wba in this case)
Leicester winning the league was awful for football as it helps mean we are never going to see this awful inbalance in finances between the top 6 teams and the other 14 addressed anytime soon.
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Sadly as soon as a bid comes in, the agent will go straight to the board with a new and improved contract request. Nature of the beast now.
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Question is for me, if we lost Evans, in order to buy a 29 year old CB with his experience and calibre would likely cost us 20m (Maguire 17m) so I don't think shelling out on extra wages for him is a bad investment? I do agree that the fact I'm justifying such big numbers for a footballer is absurd though which was the well made point - will this ever stop or will there one day be bands of wages and wage caps - doubt it - agents and now clubs who own agents (conflict alert) are the ones making all the money these days really. Not Jonny's fault at all of course, good luck to him
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We normally fail to cash in on our best players. We didn't for Mulumbu or Olsson, and I doubt we will for Evans.
£25 million would bolster our transfer kitty, and I'd hope we'd reinvest it well (remains to be seen though).
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No problem with Evans getting that money he's worth it in the crazy world of football it's just when mediocre players get that kind of money it all goes wrong. I'm sure if he does sign the other players agents will be on the phone wanting the same and if they don't they will most probably play up.
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No problem with Evans getting that money he's worth it in the crazy world of football it's just when mediocre players get that kind of money it all goes wrong. I'm sure if he does sign the other players agents will be on the phone wanting the same and if they don't they will most probably play up.
Also sets the standard for prospective signings ! BUT on a plus side will make us more attractive to said signings I suppose.
I hate SKY !
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As a statement of intent it sucks, frankly we have been turned over by the oldest trick in the book. Couple of unsatisfactory bids from a club that probably wouldn't pay Evans more than about £80k a week we are now extending his contract into his mid 30's for £100k a week.
We have spent roughly £10m and not improved the squad. We have the player on a two year contract at somewhere around £50k a week no need to sell nor for that matter improve or extend his contract.
Despite reports in the media £100k a week players are still not that common. Most mid-table clubs will run to one or two at the most we need to be careful who those players are and be confident that they will be one of their best players through the duration of their contract.
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Evans is our best asset and should be rewarded for his services so far, if this story is true then at least it shows a bit of intent by club which has long been over due. Still mad that we never looked after supper kev on return to prem under Mowbray.
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Evans is our best asset and should be rewarded for his services so far, if this story is true then at least it shows a bit of intent by club which has long been over due. Still mad that we never looked after supper kev on return to prem under Mowbray.
No that is completely about face. We reward players by paying them what they are worth during their current contract as we have done with Evans future contracts are about they are worth in the future . If true the £100k figure might hold today still a bit of a stretch in my view it but it probably won't in 2 or 3 years time.
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As a statement of intent it sucks, frankly we have been turned over by the oldest trick in the book. Couple of unsatisfactory bids from a club that probably wouldn't pay Evans more than about £80k a week we are now extending his contract into his mid 30's for £100k a week.
We have spent roughly £10m and not improved the squad. We have the player on a two year contract at somewhere around £50k a week no need to sell nor for that matter improve or extend his contract.
Despite reports in the media £100k a week players are still not that common. Most mid-table clubs will run to one or two at the most we need to be careful who those players are and be confident that they will be one of their best players through the duration of their contract.
I don't see this as an issue. He's a centre half, a class one at that. Historically they get better with age until late 30's ...
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I would rather we sell him than pay him £100k a week to be honest. That is a stupid amount of money, and once you break that for one player, more will expect it.
Even without the fact that no player is worth it, it could lead the club down a bad road with spiraling wages.
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I would rather we sell him than pay him £100k a week to be honest. That is a stupid amount of money, and once you break that for one player, more will expect it.
Even without the fact that no player is worth it, it could lead the club down a bad road with spiraling wages.
Are you a friend of JP???
I happen to agree with you about the amounts of money. However, many come on here and complain about lack of progress. We have two choices really, we continue as we have been doing in the past, going for bargains and freebies, or we raise our game and become more competitive. We all know what happens if we take the first course of action, but if we choose to be more competitive then we need to/have to show intent and make the investment. We are never going to compete with the lower end of the European qualification places by paying peanuts. There is too much money in this game as we all know, but unfortunately if we want to be competitive, then we have to go along with it.
I personally am pleased that we intend to offer him an improved contract; he is an absolute class player. If we sign 2 or 3 more quality players of his standard then that will be definite improvement.
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As a statement of intent it sucks, frankly we have been turned over by the oldest trick in the book. Couple of unsatisfactory bids from a club that probably wouldn't pay Evans more than about £80k a week we are now extending his contract into his mid 30's for £100k a week.
We have spent roughly £10m and not improved the squad. We have the player on a two year contract at somewhere around £50k a week no need to sell nor for that matter improve or extend his contract.
Despite reports in the media £100k a week players are still not that common. Most mid-table clubs will run to one or two at the most we need to be careful who those players are and be confident that they will be one of their best players through the duration of their contract.
To be fair, you say it's cost us £10 million and hasn't improved us, but I don't think we'd find someone with the same quality for £10 million plus wages to replace him if he left. If anything we're securing the position.
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To be fair, you say it's cost us £10 million and hasn't improved us, but I don't think we'd find someone with the same quality for £10 million plus wages to replace him if he left. If anything we're securing the position.
I agree & plus if you want him we value him at £ 25 million plus.
Good move by us.
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I would rather we sell him than pay him £100k a week to be honest. That is a stupid amount of money, and once you break that for one player, more will expect it.
Even without the fact that no player is worth it, it could lead the club down a bad road with spiraling wages.
Completely agree it is a stupid about of money.... unfortunately its the way football is these days.
But if we sold Evans, the cost of buying another CB of his quality along with their wages would be around or maybe even more than it would work out to what we are 'apparently' offering Evans in wages.... that's assuming he would be as good as Evans is and a success and not a flop like Chester was (which would result in spending atleast double what Evans wages will be).
To stay in the position you are in you need to move with the times to avoid getting left behind and unfortunately that means higher transfer fee's and higher wages if you want an higher quality of players.
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100G a week? We would should baulk at paying that for a striker never mind a defender,I don't even think he's captain material either as good a player he is as he's not vocal enough on the pitch
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Yes Centre Halves tend to have a better shelf life than some other positions to do the same for an attacking player would be pushing our luck beyond breaking point. However there are plenty of examples of Centre Halves going into a sharp decline and not playing beyond at their mid 30's e.g. Lescott. It is a matter of some concern if that player happens to be our biggest earner.
It is not a simple choice of new contract or lose Evans we can leave him to run the existing contract down and we would still have the player. Even if we do give him a new contract it still doesn't have to be £100k which is near enough doubling his current pay.
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gotta laugh, what other profession doubles an already over inflated wage like a footballers. he's a solid pro but £100 thousand a week, la la land.
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Good player without a doubt., but a little bit injury prone. Doubt we will be paying anyone £100K per week though..
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Think it was probably just a bit of click-bait in the Sun
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Can't believe we would pay him the wages that have been quoted recently...?
Having said that, we do need to keep him at the club, losing senior players like Evans and Fletcher after a decent finishing position sends out a poor message about our owner and ambition... ::)
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Can't believe we would pay him the wages that have been quoted recently...?
Having said that, we do need to keep him at the club, losing senior players like Evans and Fletcher after a decent finishing position sends out a poor message about our owner and ambition... ::)
Losing Fletcher will turn out to be s massive blessing in disguise.
Evans probably doesn't need a new contract at the present time.
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100G a week? We would should baulk at paying that for a striker never mind a defender,I don't even think he's captain material either as good a player he is as he's not vocal enough on the pitch
Michael O'Neill NI manager has said Evans will make a good manager which, though not exactly the same, is a decent recommendation for making him captain. Evans does have a go at those around him when needed - including a couple of goes at Nyom for not driving forward when having the chance against Leicester (when Evans was captain).
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If we go for this type of deal, we're saying he's Captain and the main man for the next 5 years and we will build round him. Risky if he has a bad injury, but as he's often touted as the best British CB at least its a positive plan instead of the usual sweeping up of the crumbs from the top table on August 31!
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Maybe its cause Everton are rumoured to be looking at him again Jacko.
If the Everton interest is true,I wouldn't blame him if he was tempted to leave us for them.
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If Everton make a bid,I can't see him staying :/
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If we were to give Evans 100k per week, is this a way of making it 'easier' to offer bigger wages to prospective signings e.g. Carvalho or similar level signings ? i.e. a new player wouldn't come straight in on more money than our current best player.
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Everton's reported interest in the Sun is a far bigger concern than Leicester's this is a move that really might suite the player given that they have European football deeper pockets (still not £100k a week) and critically Evans still lives in Cheshire so a lot more convenient.
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If everton want him they'll get him
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It's significant that Evans has not signed the £100k a week deal we are supposed to have offered him
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If Evans goes we will be really up pooh creak without a paddle. Oh but we have got pulisball so we won't get relegated
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Whether you liked Fletcher or not he got out as quick as he could, I can see Evans doing the same I wonder why?
I am totally baffled, rumours around Rondon wanting out what is happening in that dressing room.
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Everton come in his gone they seem to be going places and we ain't can't blame Evans
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Whether you liked Fletcher or not he got out as quick as he could, I can see Evans doing the same I wonder why?
I am totally baffled, rumours around Rondon wanting out what is happening in that dressing room.
What's going on is that they are all bored to tears of the manager and his style. And when people don't enjoy their work they look for a better job
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What's going on is that they are all bored to tears of the manager and his style. And when people don't enjoy their work they look for a better job
In a nut shell.
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It's significant that Evans has not signed the £100k a week deal we are supposed to have offered him
supposedly offered him...
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I think if Everton come in, the money he is on wont matter as he is never going to have a poor wage, he will go?
If its just Leicester then it might be a decision on ambition, they match our valuation, I think he will go?
Johnnie Evans is our best player, he is a winner and with the amount of rumours I think its being driven by his agent and if we don't match his ambition he will look for it elsewhere. Fletch was a big factor in him coming and his mates rush to get out of the Hawthorns tells you a lot about what they were promised and what they have seen.
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If Everton make an offer for Evans, I think we should do exactly what they do. Work out his true value, and multiply the figure by 3. They always over inflate the value of the players they sell. Talking about £80 million now for Lukaku, not to forget £6 million for Anichebe. They've just bought the Ajax captain Klaasen for £23.6 million. Bet you if they sell him next year it will be for at least £60 million.
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If we were to give Evans 100k per week, is this a way of making it 'easier' to offer bigger wages to prospective signings e.g. Carvalho or similar level signings ? i.e. a new player wouldn't come straight in on more money than our current best player.
You are only allowed to increase your wage budget by £7m each season for STCC (Short Term Cost Control) in financial fair play so I doubt it would help too much to be honest, this rule is the one that will help kill us at this level. We've been fortunate enough to get some earners off our books to give us some wriggle room but let face it £100k-a-week for Evans takes some of that back up. This rule is the reason Arsenal look like they have to sell a couple of players to cover the cost of new contracts for Ozil and Sanchez.
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Everton come in his gone they seem to be going places and we ain't can't blame Evans
Everton are flattering to deceive I feel. They'll be no better than they have always been. Especially without Lukaku (see post Bale Tottenham)
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Everton are flattering to deceive I feel. They'll be no better than they have always been. Especially without Lukaku (see post Bale Tottenham)
There's no comparison between them and us, financially they are giants - they have Koeman, Bolaise, Schneiderlin, Lukaku and it would be a no brainer for Evans to want a move there if they offered.
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You are only allowed to increase your wage budget by £7m each season for STCC (Short Term Cost Control) in financial fair play so I doubt it would help too much to be honest, this rule is the one that will help kill us at this level. We've been fortunate enough to get some earners off our books to give us some wriggle room but let face it £100k-a-week for Evans takes some of that back up. This rule is the reason Arsenal look like they have to sell a couple of players to cover the cost of new contracts for Ozil and Sanchez.
Really I'm sure Man U with their 2 star signings would have pushed them well over and c. Palace no other club talk about ffp except our fans !!
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There's no comparison between them and us, financially they are giants - they have Koeman, Bolaise, Schneiderlin, Lukaku and it would be a no brainer for Evans to want a move there if they offered.
Agreed, they also have new stadium plans, European football and a wealthy backer. To keep Koeman they'll be spending more. It would be a big draw for Evans.
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I don't think he'll be leaving, only clubs he could go to that would be enough of a step up to warrant moving are Everton and maybe Arsenal (if they panic). Neither would be willing to pay the £20-30m we'd demand for a 29 year old. Also can't see Sevilla/Valencia coming in so doubt he'll leave for Spain just yet.
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Really I'm sure Man U with their 2 star signings would have pushed them well over and c. Palace no other club talk about ffp except our fans !!
Manchester United have huge income streams that we just don't have so can use that to increase their by much more than we can. Last I saw Palace had a wage bill was at least £10m a year less than ours so again have more room to do deals than we do.
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In letting Jonas and Fletcher go we have freed up just over 100k a week in wages to be put back into the team.
add in Gardner's wages as well which was somewhere between 20-30k that is a good chunk of extra cash we have to use
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Leicester not giving up.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/891758532?-11200:789:0
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Written by James Nursey ::)
Maybe I'm being naive but sure I saw an interview on Sky Sports, even after Darren Fletcher's departure, saying he was happy here
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I know its only the Mirror but this is not good news
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-facing-battle-keep-10705386
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I know its only the Mirror but this is not good news
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-facing-battle-keep-10705386
All the info in that story is about 2 weeks old. If it was in The Telegraph I'd be more concerned.
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Someone is leaking prob his agent, Leicester wouldn't have made a bid without talking to his agent first to see if he would join.
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this from todays Brummie mail...again a story that doesn't really say anything that we didn't already know.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jonny-evans-what-future-holds-13256000
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this from todays Brummie mail...again a story that doesn't really say anything that we didn't already know.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jonny-evans-what-future-holds-13256000
Standard of reporting is getting worse by the day. Doesn't help that it's part of the Mirror.
Adverts everywhere make it very difficult to read articles.
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Im very worried about losing Evans, dont think it will be to Leicester though
I really hope he stays he is a class player
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Reported in the Mirror ( I know ;D) he's considering his future after seeing Fletcher leave and Leicester renew their interest.
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Everton in advanced talks with Michael Keane from Burnley - which probably means Evans won't go there :)
I imagine Leicester will bid £15 million, get rejected and that will be that.
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Albion held on to Saido until they were ready to part ways, I don't see this being any different. It'll take 20 mil or more for Evans to move on.
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Johnny Evans is a top quality defender. He was a coup of a signing. I'd love to keep a hold of him but in true Albion style we will get as much as we can for him.
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Going nowhere this season,Pulis has installed him as captain,phew.
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West Brom Fans†@WBAnews 21m21 minutes ago
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#wba #baggies #wbafc West Brom captain Jonny Evans set to sign a new deal http://dld.bz/fV9Qv
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Not the biggest Pulis fan, but I have to say he seems to have managed this situation very well. Would Jonny still be here under another manager?
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Will be really pleased when this confirmed.
Jonny is a top class defender & it would have been a major loss to us if he left. Hopefully his leadership qualities as captain will be just as sound.
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Not the biggest Pulis fan, but I have to say he seems to have managed this situation very well. Would Jonny still be here under another manager?
A better manager might not have signed him.
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If he signs, it's like signing a 40m-50m player in my opinion.
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Little bit out the loop - did Evans pick up an injury prior to the match?
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Little bit out the loop - did Evans pick up an injury prior to the match?
'Tight thigh'
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Pulis doesn't sound too convinced on the injury.
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Thought Dawson played very well in his absence. If McAuley is going to be fit shortly, with Dawson, Evans and Hegazi, this is why I would not be prioritising a Ben Gibson. We need strengthening in the first XI in other areas so much more.
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Evans is penciled in to left back hence the need for another CB
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Evans is penciled in to left back hence the need for another CB
Evans is completely wasted at left back.
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Have a feeling Jonny might be on his way.
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Have a feeling Jonny might be on his way.
Yep all the signs are there.
Potentially we could loose Evans, Rondon and Chadli in a very short space of time.
Hope these 'exciting' replacements we keep hearing about are up to it
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Yep all the signs are there.
Potentially we could loose Evans, Rondon and Chadli in a very short space of time.
Hope these 'exciting' replacements we keep hearing about are up to it
Having watched a few of the premier league games over the weekend I would not be surprised if other teams focus on Evans. Arsenal in particular I feel would/should be very interested. However Leicesters bid of around 15 million is woeful.
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if we loose him to Leicester some like me would be more frustrated
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Having watched a few of the premier league games over the weekend I would not be surprised if other teams focus on Evans. Arsenal in particular I feel would/should be very interested. However Leicesters bid of around 15 million is woeful.
This is what worried me over the weekend!
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Liverpool a possibility if southampton wont sell them whats his name
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Evans is going nowhere, relax.
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If Man City's interest is real and Evans really wants to go there, I allow him to leave for a reasonable fee. That will be a great opportunity for Jonny.
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Talksport - Man City want Evans :o
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I knew something was in the wind when TP made a cynical comment about Evans'reason for dropping out of the last game.
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Would be gutted to see him go, offer him best contract with can afford and he has a choice of prob sitting on Man City bench. Would explain our chase for a centre half
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If Man City's interest is real and Evans really wants to go there, I allow him to leave for a reasonable fee. That will be a great opportunity for Jonny.
Have to agree. If he wanted to go to a Leicester type club I'd dig our heels in but with a potential move like City as long we get a reasonable fee (£25m-£30m plus Delph on loan?) I wouldn't begrudge him the move.
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Talksport - Man City want Evans :o
The quote is from sky sport sources
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GB as new captain then.....
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I knew something was in the wind when TP made a cynical comment about Evans'reason for dropping out of the last game.
If the club knows/knew he might be on his way why make him club captain?
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Would be gutted to see him go, offer him best contract with can afford and he has a choice of prob sitting on Man City bench. Would explain our chase for a centre half
Would he be sitting on their bench though? If they continue to play 3 at the back I'd out Evans in their best 11 as it stands and with Kompanys fitness and Otamendi/Stones form last season there every chance he would play 30+ games in all competitions even if they did initially sign him as back up.
Although nobody wants to lose Evans he could be a great example to use when we are looking for other players both at home and abroad. 'Come to us, stay for 2 or 3 years playing week in week out and if you earn a move to the top 6 we wont stand in your way as long as the offer is fair'. It's certainly better example to use than the Berahino scenario which would out me off joining a club of our size.
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He's been a model pro and by far our best player since arriving, I wouldn't begrudge him a move to a team like city.
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I thought Pulis' comments were weird at the weekend. Instead of saying he was injured, he said "we have to take his word for it", almost like he wasn't sure he believed him.
If the club and the player have been sounded out by Man City, that might be why.
This window could very quickly become a bit of a disaster, although I would expect we would hold out for 30 plus million for Evans.
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Can see this situation getting ugly very quickly, Evans understandably would want to move to a club like City, but I can see City not being willing to pay anything like what we would want given his age (Leicester according to the BBC for example bid 10m for him...).
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On BBC now to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40954441
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I'm sorry wtf
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As good as he is for us I can't see him being a starter for Man City. I'm not convinced by the story at all.
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I know it's all paper tall at the moment, but why would you sell your best players and look to replace them with downgrades? There is no one on the league in our price range that would want to come to WBA that is better than Evans.
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No way should we even think about selling him, unless we know for sure it is for big bucks and we can replace with BETTER.
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I know it's all paper tall at the moment, but why would you sell your best players and look to replace them with downgrades? There is no one on the league in our price range that would want to come to WBA that is better than Evans.
Part of it can be setting a good example to future transfer that if a big 6 club comes after you, we won't hold you prison here.
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Depends what city want, to me he is defensively better than Stones but probably not a better footballer
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The only way this move happens will be down to 2 things.
1. Evans requests to leave.
2. Man City offer silly money for him.
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Oh dear. If the story is true, he's as good as gone. Just need to hold out for as big a fee as we can get!
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No way should we even think about selling him, unless we know for sure it is for big bucks and we can replace with BETTER.
That doesn't make sense. If we could replace him with better then surely the better player would be on Citehs radar rather than Evans?
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I know it's all paper tall at the moment, but why would you sell your best players and look to replace them with downgrades? There is no one on the league in our price range that would want to come to WBA that is better than Evans.
Trying to keep players who don't want to be here rarely ends well for us. Odemwingie and Berhino come to mind. In the end we wasted a lot of money on wages and ended up having to sell in the end but got nothing like the fees we could have.
I'd hope Evans would be more professional than those two, but he will be desperate to go.
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If he goes he goes for a HUGE amount. That's the only modicum of a positive we can get from this. Why the hell do City want him? He's good, but they've spent hundreds of millions on defenders from all over the globe.
£40m minimum.
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Don't think Evans would displace either of their 2 starting CBs, as good as he is.
Might get rotation games for them, and obviously is home grown which I assume Man City would need.
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If he goes he goes for a HUGE amount. That's the only modicum of a positive we can get from this. Why the hell do City want him? He's good, but they've spent hundreds of millions on defenders from all over the globe.
£40m minimum.
They need a defender and someone who counts as HG so Evans fits both.
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Local press no clue about this as usual ::)
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They need a defender and someone who counts as HG so Evans fits both.
Sign Gibson then? Christ. For those who don't like my 'overly positive, don't panic' attitude, this is pooh. Would love to keep him but you know full well if City want, they'll get but they sure as hell won't appreciate him.
And worryingly all reports of this news suggest talks have already taken place.
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Does he want a fatter pay cheque, or does he want to play football every week, because he'll be lucky to be on the bench there.
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Would be truly gutted to lose Evans
If the money could be reinvested in Gibson though it would soften the blow
Players will come and go as long as they are replaced with quality I see no issue though
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No way should we even think about selling him, unless we know for sure it is for big bucks and we can replace with BETTER.
I completely get the argument but for a club of our size I think selling Evans should be the exact model our club is run on.
We should be looking to sign players in the £10m-£15m range and sell them on 2/3 years later for £25m-£35m.
From an Albion point of view (which is my main priority) I don't want to see him go although I do think as a whole if the money was used correctly we would actually have a stronger team/squad if we took the money.
From a humane viewpoint I do think if we get an offer in the £25m-£30m ballpark we should let him go. It's a huge move for him and one he deserves after his performances here. He owes us nothing and if he does go would net the club £15m-£20m net profit.
I do have a concern that if we were to sell Evans plus Chadli and potentially Rondon aswell (I don't think Rondon will leave but it's a possibility) it's a huge turn around of players in a 2 week period with at least 3 needed already plus another 2 or 3 if the above leave. At least 3 of those players would need to be marquee signings on paper at least which is a hell of a lot to bring in and even more so considering our struggles in the market.
As we have been discussing on other threads with the potential Sigurdsson--Chadli---Deeney transfers trail I don't think it's a coincidence this has surfaced less than 24 hours after the Barry signing. Although completely different players Barry offers the leadership we get from Evans and Pulis wouldn't want to lose that without having someone else to bring in.
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City fans have gone into meltdown over this
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/jonny-evans.329986/
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We won't get £20m for Evans. Leicester bid was around £10m. Because it's city he will force us to accept.
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The bloke is a class act so I will not begrudge him a move away.
We need to be holding out for at least £30million or more to allow us the opportunity to replace him.
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Agree with Liam's views , I just wouldn't trust Albion to replace him in time.
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If we hold out for £30 million then its very likely he won't leave and we could then have another Berahino situation on our hands.
Hopefully the club learns from the mistakes of the past
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Even if we get £30m other clubs know you're loaded and bump up the prices even more. If we sell him we'll have to be VERY careful how to proceed.
City have offered £18m apparently.
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I posted a few years back that we would become a selling club a ladder for players to showboat
There skills.
Wouldn't blame any Albion player who wished to moved to a top 6 club. The plus side to this
It could attract players to us. We will never be a
Brake into the top 6 we are 100s of millions
Pounds behide the 8 ball
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Initial bid of £18 million rejected.
We should be getting double that.
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Initial bid of £18 million rejected.
We should be getting double that.
We're u read that mate?
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We're u read that mate?
Telegraph, via Percy's Twitter.
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Jonny Evans = Class
I will be absolutely gutted to lose him but if, as seems, "talks have taken place" then its just a matter of how much. We simply can't stand in his way, it's too big an opportunity for him, just pay what we want.
It puts into even greater perspective the signing of GBaz, as I suspect he'd take the captains role & also our continued quest for another CH. Delph might even become an option to consider as others have mentioned, may not be all bad?
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18 mill comedy gold...they paid 50 mill for Kyle walker. So at their prices Jonny is worth 80mill :)
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I find this unlikely to happen. City won't pay what we want for Evans who will be signed as a squad player at City.
The only problem will be is if Evans throws his toys out of the pram but I'd hope/expect that he won't.
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Guys I'm sad and scared. Someone hold me.
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Virtual hugs
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Evans wont do a berahino! Dont worry... if we dont wanna sell, he stays!
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Can we interview Megson again, with Evans and Chadli rumours does that mean we now need 7!!!!
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I find this unlikely to happen. City won't pay what we want for Evans who will be signed as a squad player at City.
The only problem will be is if Evans throws his toys out of the pram but I'd hope/expect that he won't.
would only let him go if a replacement is signed. cannot see City paying over £22m for Evans which looks low when we may blow all that on Gibson.
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Evans and Fletcher possibly gone in same window.
No replacements?
We've seen this at the Albion before haven't we? :(
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Delph plus £10 million. They can afford it!
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Delph plus £10 million. They can afford it!
No where near enough
Delphi plus 25
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£18m is far too little for someone of Evans' talent. Pep seems to have a blank cheque for transfers so he'd better up his offer to in excess of £25m. I suspect Evans may be unhappy about being pencilled in as our left back and I don't blame him.
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From city forums...
I was told by someone very close to JE last week I would be texting them this week I didn't know what he was talking about and laughed it off....I just text him about this transfer and his text back was....I told you you would be texting me this week
Arsenal wanted him last year but Pulis wouldn't let him leave then but he did agree if a top 4 club came in for him again as long as it suited WBA he would let him go...it will take a bid upwards of £20miil though
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for us to get a player with his experience and ability would cost a lot more than city are willing to pay. Evans is priceless to us, look what we will be left with at Ch, an aging injured Mcauley a loanee who needs time to adjust to this league, and Dawson. this could be a defining moment to our season. worst possible player to lose right now.
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good job JT signed for the Vile!
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Just had a look at the blue moon forum. When did they start becoming Man U fans?? Unbelievable arrogance.
Wouldn't mind if he wasn't TEN TIMES the player Ota bloody mendi is.
If he does go I will be very sad indeed but how can you stand in his way. 25m is about right in today's market for me. No less.
If he does go, I can't wait to revisit their forum and see them eating their words.
A defender that belongs in a top 4 side sadly.
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I really dont like the sound of this. He is our best CB and should not be leaving. But if we get an offer of 25 million +, we have to get an experienced CB(smalling) not gibson. Scary times for us. Could lose evans, chadli and rondon.
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I'd be very surprised if he's here in 2 weeks
Lewis Dunk
Rannochia
Kone
There are options out there without chuffing 25m on Gibson..
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Arguably the best CB in the league last season. Lucky to get him in the first place. £20m+ and we shouldn't stand in his way. Get Smalling/Gibbo and all is well.
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City fans are arrogant.
They don't want Evans and yet paid
Stones 47.5
Mangala 42
Otamendi 28.5
Evans better than all of them.
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Chris Lepkowski did say at the start of the summer that there was no money for transfers and we would have to sell Rondon, Chadli and Evans to reinvest.
People shouted him down at the time due to being an ex employee but I can definitely see this happening.
It's too late in the window for all this rubbish now and I'm assuming Pullis said we needed 5 pre-empting that this was going to happen.
Deadline day could be interesting :-\
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Personally I think he's borderline irreplaceable for us. I'm sure we could get a good fee (closer to double City's £18 million) but then what? Spend £30 million on Gibson? Sorry, but he's still not Jonny Evans. He's easily our best ever Premier League CB. Lose him and you have to be able to buy at least 2 top quality signings and even then it may go bad.
There's not much you can do though when the big boys come calling.
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City fans are arrogant.
They don't want Evans and yet paid
Stones 47.5
Mangala 42
Otamendi 28.5
Evans better than all of them.
I'm not sure that's arrogance, city fans didn't sign any of those players. Also I'm not convinced he is better than those mentioned. I like Evans , he's as good as I've seen down the Albion but city are in a different league completely. I'm surprised they're looking at him to be honest.
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Personally I think he's borderline irreplaceable for us. I'm sure we could get a good fee (closer to double City's £18 million) but then what? Spend £30 million on Gibson? Sorry, but he's still not Jonny Evans. He's easily our best ever Premier League CB. Lose him and you have to be able to buy at least 2 top quality signings and even then it may go bad.
There's not much you can do though when the big boys come calling.
Won without him Saturday... Comfortably. Just sayin'
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Stones has potential but isn't better at the moment in my opinion.
Mangala has the worst positional sense of a ch in a top 4 team and they want to loan him out to potentially accommodate Evans.
Otamendi is a red card waiting to happen and was poor last year.
Football is all about opinions though.
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I'm not sure that's arrogance, city fans didn't sign any of those players. Also I'm not convinced he is better than those mentioned. I like Evans , he's as good as I've seen down the Albion but city are in a different league completely. I'm surprised they're looking at him to be honest.
Arrogance is what they are writing on their forum. Go check it out. He is easily better than all those defenders for me, not even debatable. But yes, all about opinions
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Won without him Saturday... Comfortably. Just sayin'
Yes but I think against better teams and throughout the season, you really note just how important he is.
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Evans out on deadline day, leaving us with not enough time to replace and a deal for Gibson to fall through at the last hurdle.
Can't you just see it coming a bloody mile off? :(
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Did I just hear we've turned down 17 million from citeh
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I'll be gutted if he leaves but he's far to good for us and couldn't begrudge him a move to a CL team as long as the price is right and it's reinvested.
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It just gets better,Barry in Evans out marvelous someone is taking the p >:(
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Evans out on deadline day, leaving us with not enough time to replace and a deal for Gibson to fall through at the last hurdle.
Can't you just see it coming a bloody mile off? :(
Aren't you just a ray of sunshine
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This Citeh business really is bad news all round for us ! >:(
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Evans is going nowhere, relax.
Still confident?
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Did I just hear we've turned down 17 million from citeh
£18m apparently the initial first bid.
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I thought this when i heard TP say this on Saturday,
What do you make of this ?
I take it our medical team couldn't see the injury or am i just worrying ?
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Man City reportedly interested in Evans. When I asked TP about his injury on Sat he said: 'we take his word for it'
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£18m apparently the initial first bid.
I couldn't hear the radio very well at the time :), by the way I ain't smiling because he might be leaving
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Evans out on deadline day, leaving us with not enough time to replace and a deal for Gibson to fall through at the last hurdle.
Can't you just see it coming a bloody mile off? :(
I'm afraid we have a track record of this , Lloydys correct. Only positive is Pulis knows a defender when he see's one ....I'd trust him.in that area.
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I'm afraid we have a track record of this , Lloydys correct. Only positive is Pulis knows a defender when he see's one ....I'd trust him.in that area.
a few blips. Galloway, Chester.
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Evans out for 30mill, Gibson in for 25 mill and ranocchia in for 5? Looks solid to me?
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How about £20m plus Delph then get Gibson in aswell?
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More worried about strengthening a potential champions league rival
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Aren't you just a ray of sunshine
My most sincere apologies for posting a prediction.
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Still confident?
Keep the faith. ;)
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Taking everything into account age length of what he cost us etc... I could make a case for Evans being worth £18m or put it another way I wouldn't want us to pay more for a similar player.
However one of the key drivers of the current market where 'Boro think they can hold out for £30m for Gibson is clubs like City spewing ridiculous amounts of money on various Centre Halves as listed by earlier posters and aside from Kompany they don't really trust any of them. Just our luck they have sobered up when it comes to bidding for Evans.
It will be difficult to keep him and from the player's point of view he isn't going to get another shot at a Champions League level club and at the end of the day the current offer is 3 times what we paid for him just 2 years ago. However unless we get something that allows us to get a decent replacement and another player e.g. a left back then it really isn't worth our while doing a deal and that starts at around £25m.
Just had a look at a City forum I've never seen a potential signing so universally panned by a group of fans my life they are up their own arses.
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To be honest, I'd take delph as a straight swap. Put the villa rubbish aside, he's a seriously good player. Can't imagine we'd do his wages in a million years though
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Taking everything into account age length of what he cost us etc... I could make a case for Evans being worth £18m or put it another way I wouldn't want us to pay more for a similar player.
However one of the key drivers of the current market where 'Boro think they can hold out for £30m for Gibson is clubs like City spewing ridiculous amounts of money on various Centre Halves as listed by earlier posters and aside from Kompany they don't really trust any of them. Just our luck they have sobered up when it comes to bidding for Evans.
It will be difficult to keep him and from the player's point of view he isn't going to get another shot at a Champions League level club and at the end of the day the current offer is 3 times what we paid for him just 2 years ago. However unless we get something that allows us to get a decent replacement and another player e.g. a left back then it really isn't worth our while doing a deal and that starts at around £25m.
I think that's spot on but we mustn't just roll over. We should be aiming for £30m+ to see how desperate they are.
I think there's going to be a further development. Chelsea and Liverpool both want Van Dijk and Saints are playing hardball. Spurs possibly as well, and Arsenal wanted him last year. If we give any encouragement of a deal then one or more of them could well join the race for Evans. It could quickly escalate to £35m, even £40m. The likes of Delph, Wimmer and Sakho could well become key chips to bargain with and for, and there are some loan deals possible as well (eg Bony and maybe even Sakho).
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Makes TP's comment about having to trust Evans and his injury seem even more telling.
He's gone. My guess is he's been tapped up too and given the nod. Hence why he's trying to ensure his fitness.
Makes sense for him, moving back closer to home, more money, CL football.
He's been one of the best players I've seen down the Albion. We've been lucky to have him. But there are options out there. I just hope the money is re-invested. As Lloydy said above, we have a habit of selling and not replacing.
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Guys we now have a transfer thread for discussing him moving. This thread is just for any comments on his as an Albion player, not to speculate about his move.
Thanks
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Evans irreplaceable and we don't really need the money we need the player so it's going to take a stupid offer for us to part ways with him.
Gibson isn't worth what Evans is hence its madness their valuation- also Man City
Played £50mil for John stones who isn't the player Evans is.
However when the big boys coming knocking I'm not sure we can stop it.
We should be going in for smalling if we are going to lose Evans
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I think £25m+ will see him gone. He's 30 in January and as good as he is unfortunately every player has his price. I'm sure the club won't repeat a Saido tale of events. Can we replace him? I very much doubt it. He is a player of the highest quality but I'd be disappointed if the club stood in his way. Depending on the clubs valuation being matched of course. He's been a model professional and a pleasure to call an Albion player. Class works both ways.
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25 mill plus us getting a knock down fee for delph anyone? Delph worth £15mill but we could probably negotiate to get him for half of that.
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25 mill plus us getting a knock down fee for delph anyone? Delph worth £15mill but we could probably negotiate to get him for half of that.
This has to have a realistic chance, we hold the aces, 1 year loan for Delph with view to purchase could work well.
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Is Jonny also just becoming a little suspect with injury? He missed 10 games last season with calf injuries. really don't want him to leave but £25m + Delph and replace him with Gibson or Smalling. Its like a 2 for 1 offer.
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£18m is far too little for someone of Evans' talent. Pep seems to have a blank cheque for transfers so he'd better up his offer to in excess of £25m. I suspect Evans may be unhappy about being pencilled in as our left back and I don't blame him.
Where have you got this from?
Anyway
Personally I don't think Evans will go, he won't be first choice , more likely 3rd or 4th choice. He might as well have stayed at United and been 3rd or 4th choice there.
Just because a few media outlets have said talks have been going on for 2 weeks doesn't mean Evans was involved in any of those talks. He could easily turn round and refuse to go to City to be a bit part player.
I've not seen anything from Evans saying he wants to go.
I suspect like Chadli, who I also don't think will go anywhere, that we will only accept an offer that is too good to refuse; somewhere in the £25M range for Chadli and £30M for Evans but I doubt anyone will offer those fees.
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Where have you got this from?
Anyway
Personally I don't think Evans will go, he won't be first choice , more likely 3rd or 4th choice. He might as well have stayed at United and been 3rd or 4th choice there.
Just because a few media outlets have said talks have been going on for 2 weeks doesn't mean Evans was involved in any of those talks. He could easily turn round and refuse to go to City to be a bit part player.
I've not seen anything from Evans saying he wants to go.
I suspect like Chadli, who I also don't think will go anywhere, that we will only accept an offer that is too good to refuse; somewhere in the £25M range for Chadli and £30M for Evans but I doubt anyone will offer those fees.
Don't you read the newspapers! :o
If Evans doesn't want to go then surely, as captain, he will come out today and dismiss the speculation
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Don't you read the newspapers! :o
Left yourself open there , its in the papers so it must be true!.
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Where have you got this from?
Anyway
Personally I don't think Evans will go, he won't be first choice , more likely 3rd or 4th choice. He might as well have stayed at United and been 3rd or 4th choice there.
Just because a few media outlets have said talks have been going on for 2 weeks doesn't mean Evans was involved in any of those talks. He could easily turn round and refuse to go to City to be a bit part player.
I've not seen anything from Evans saying he wants to go.
I suspect like Chadli, who I also don't think will go anywhere, that we will only accept an offer that is too good to refuse; somewhere in the £25M range for Chadli and £30M for Evans but I doubt anyone will offer those fees.
Wow I hope you're right. Stay or go for £30m + and I'm OK with it.
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Don't you read the newspapers! :o
If Evans doesn't want to go then surely, as captain, he will come out today and dismiss the speculation
yes I read the papers and haven't seen any mention of Evans being pencilled in as left back, which is what I was referring too, hence why I put it in bold. Care to provide a link?
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yes I read the papers and haven't seen any mention of Evans being pencilled in as left back, which is what I was referring too, hence why I put it in bold. Care to provide a link?
I haven't got the time mate to search back through previous links on so many threads
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I haven't got the time mate to search back through previous links on so many threads
Oh, okay then.
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Lets face it Citeh probably only want him because he's British! for their quota and because they can!
All that is wrong with football now is the money! How many of the top clubs buy British, I understand the prices are inflated but most transfers these days are non British. You can bet he'lljust be a squad number 3rd or 4th choice!
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He must want the move which is proved by him not playing Saturday citing injury. If this is the case we may has well get rid as we do not want another Saido situation. Think Evans more likely to be out with minor injuries a lot rather than throwing his toys totally out of the pram like Saido did.
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I am surprised how little the press and opposing fans view Evans but if I was him I would want to go so the club must handle this very carefully so we don't end up with a player who has thrown his toys out of the pram. Let him know the price must be right. £20 mill + delph is the minimum I would take.
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Lets face it Citeh probably only want him because he's British! for their quota and because they can!
All that is wrong with football now is the money! How many of the top clubs buy British, I understand the prices are inflated but most transfers these days are non British. You can bet he'll just be a squad number 3rd or 4th choice!
This piece from Goal suggests exactly that.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/revealed-manchester-city-van-dijk-dani-alves-bonucci-jonny/kptymfm1g8n41w0f514z0ebys
I've read in a few articles that Evans is being sought to provide cover (the above mentions this too) which is why I'd be surprised if he signed for them.
Man City O/S reporting it as defensive cover in their gossip section..taking the story from a report in the Daily Star which also claims that "Evans is keen (on) a move to the Etihad".
https://www.mancity.com/news/first-team/media-watch/2017/august/man-city-news-transfer-rumours-alexis-sanchez-kylian-mbappe-jonny-evans-dele-alli
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Lets face it Citeh probably only want him because he's British! for their quota and because they can!
All that is wrong with football now is the money! How many of the top clubs buy British, I understand the prices are inflated but most transfers these days are non British. You can bet he'lljust be a squad number 3rd or 4th choice!
Maybe right but he'll also be closer to home and on probably double what he gets here.
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This piece from Goal suggests exactly that.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/revealed-manchester-city-van-dijk-dani-alves-bonucci-jonny/kptymfm1g8n41w0f514z0ebys
I've read in a few articles that Evans is being sought to provide cover (the above mentions this too) which is why I'd be surprised if he signed for them.
Man City O/S reporting it as defensive cover in their gossip section..taking the story from a report in the Daily Star which also claims that "Evans is keen (on) a move to the Etihad".
https://www.mancity.com/news/first-team/media-watch/2017/august/man-city-news-transfer-rumours-alexis-sanchez-kylian-mbappe-jonny-evans-dele-alli
If City agree a fee with us there is absolutely 0% chance Evans would turn them down to stay here.
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Maybe also adds more 'sense' to signing Barry - ready made captain replacement............................
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They may only want him as 3rd or 4th choice initially, but I am sure Jonny Evans would back himself to push past some of their current options.
Alternatively, its just about money. How high would you go if its purely a question of pay?
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Maybe also adds more 'sense' to signing Barry - ready made captain replacement............................
I'd guess at a push he could also play CB
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Maybe right but he'll also be closer to home and on probably double what he gets here.
We have offered him £100k per week, will they really give him £200k?
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I guess it depends what he wants, given his age. Three or four more years playing week in week out at the top table or to be a bit part player in a squad that offers Champions League football, earning slightly more a week on top of the undoubtedly sizeable signing on fee involved.
Sadly money does talk nowadays, but if we are offering £100k a week, how much money can someone really need. Closer to home for him and European football you would hope as being his primary motivating factors in any move.
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If City agree a fee with us there is absolutely 0% chance Evans would turn them down to stay here.
there might be if he isn't guaranteed much first team football.
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there might be if he isn't guaranteed much first team football.
He might not be guaranteed first team football but you can guarantee that Kompany will miss almost half the season through injury
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Some sources are suggesting Citeh will play a back 3 and Evans would be 4th choice. He will weigh up the increase in wages and probable injuries of Kompany and think he may get 50% of games. He will go if given the option, big club, European footie and bigger wages I think most of us would leave in those circumstances.
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there might be if he isn't guaranteed much first team football.
He will also have a decent wage increase and will be much closer to home
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A good article on the Evans situation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/17/jonny-evans-no-one-should-surprised-man-city-want/
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A good article on Evans situation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/17/jonny-evans-no-one-should-surprised-man-city-want/
I like the article line:
Guardiola's opening gambit of £18m plus add-ons was turned down and the message from the Hawthorns is very clear: Evans is not for sale. No amount of money will persuade Albion to do business, sources say, and he is indispensable.
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A bit player at a big club or captain and star player at an average Premier club?
A tough call.
Similar question we could face:
Would you buy a big house in an average street or a small house in a really nice area?
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A bit player at a big club or captain and star player at an average Premier club?
A tough call.
Similar question we could face:
Would you buy a big house in an average street or a small house in a really nice area?
The thing is he won't be a bit part player. citeh's defence is pants and Evans, after a couple of weeks, will be first choice.
I reckon this is what Evans will be thinking. Plus citeh will probably pay him 50% more than us.
reckon he's a goner.
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One positive Is that I cannot see us selling our best player until a replacement is lined up for sure. Same with chadli, while we may cash in we need players first.
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One positive Is that I cannot see us selling our best player until a replacement is lined up for sure. Same with chadli, while we may cash in we need players first.
I assume that's why the Gibson story has still got legs. Uncle Gibbo is not going to be too happy that a top 6 club is in for one of ours and not nephew.......
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there might be if he isn't guaranteed much first team football.
No there isn't. Admire the optimism but there is literally no chance he would turn them down.
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He is gone, we need to make sure we maximise what we get that's the end of it
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He is gone, we need to make sure we maximise what we get that's the end of it
Realist.
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We have offered him £100k per week, will they really give him £200k?
Double was the first number that came into my head, but I would imagine they could offer him considerably more than we could plus the added attraction of European football.
Cash wise Man City could offer him way beyond what we could.
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Hope its not true but i was told last night he is as good as gone by two different reliable people i know
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Hope its not true but i was told last night he is as good as gone by two different reliable people i know
I hope its not true, but if it is. Our recruitment team and have got to do something they have never done before, bringing in some very good players with only two weeks to do it.
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The only downside with Evans is that he is a bit injury prone. If we get £25m-30m for him and manage to buy Gibson or Sakho etc to replace him then it's a good deal and fair outcome all round. Realistically he isn't going to turn down a move back to Manchester to compete tor the title and in the CL to stay and captain Albion. As long as we get good money in and have a solid replacement lined up then we can't grumble too much.
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I don't really see Gibson as a realistic outcome, selling Evans and having to pay as much or more for a replacement who's worse than him would be truly terrible business.
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Gutted with this news! Two of my favourite current players in Chadli and Evans almost certainly leaving. I could come to terms with Chadli leaving as I feel he could be replaced but Evans is a cut above, I would say maybe the best centre back in the league. There's not many players who are so composed from the back and able to pass it out of defence like him and can't see us getting a player like him especially in the next few days. I thought last seasons transfer window was bad by not recruiting enough but this window looks to be the worst yet losing our best players so late on and no news of any incoming
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I don't really see Gibson as a realistic outcome, selling Evans and having to pay as much or more for a replacement who's worse than him would be truly terrible business.
But we don't really have a choice but to sell Evans if he wants to leave. Ask Liverpool regarding Coutinho.The alternative is to have another Berahino situation by forcing Evans to stay. I would be happier with Smalling as a replacement for Evans.
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Any ideas what we would accept for him? I would say £28 million on current valuations! He will go as if allowed to talk to them, and I can't blame him.
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Any ideas what we would accept for him? I would say £28 million on current valuations! He will go as if allowed to talk to them, and I can't blame him.
If Virgil Van Dyk (sorry about spelling) is worth £60m then Evans is worth at least £30m probably more being British!
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Gutted with this news! Two of my favourite current players in Chadli and Evans almost certainly leaving. I could come to terms with Chadli leaving as I feel he could be replaced but Evans is a cut above, I would say maybe the best centre back in the league. There's not many players who are so composed from the back and able to pass it out of defence like him and can't see us getting a player like him especially in the next few days. I thought last seasons transfer window was bad by not recruiting enough but this window looks to be the worst yet losing our best players so late on and no news of any incoming
Look, Evans is a very very good player and despite the wider circles largely laughing at this deal and saying he is nowhere near good enough I think most people who have actually seen him play week in week out the last couple of years would agree he is at least good enough to be 1st choice back up at City and would do a fine job if he became 1st choice there.
However he is nowhere near the best centre back in the league, and if we shop in the right places will be replaced. What we need to do now is get someone who could be as good as Evans, or is slightly inferior, but leave ourselves enough leftover from this deal to strengthen elsewhere at he same time.
Eg if we sell Evans for £25m and sign Gibson for £25m I'd say our team is slightly weaker.
If we sell Evans for £25m, sign Gibson for £15m (which I know wont happen) and then signed say Delph for £10m we are in a much stronger position as a team.
Evans leaving is a blow but if we manage this situation correctly this could be a great opportunity for us. Manage it badly and we could land ourselves in trouble. We certainly cannot afford to have a £25m cb on the bench because h doesnt want to play and we cant afford to have Hegazi, Dawson and McAuley as our only options.
Tell City we will do the deal and make it easy for them. However the price is X millions (whatever our price is, £25m or £30m) and it is non negotiable. They have until next Wednesday to conclude the deal, after that the price doubles to £50m.
Keep everything above board and everything clear and concise with City and Evans. Neither side wants a Van Dijk situation this close to the end of the window and we certainly can't afford one. If City don't want to pay our asking price (as long as it's fair, i.e not £50m up front) then Evans can't have any issues if we reject it.
We need this done either way by the end of next week an that includes having his replacement in if required.
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Feels like Robson and Moses situation and look where that led us
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Feels like Robson and Moses situation and look where that led us
Don't remind me. I don't think I have ever felt so gutted about a player leaving us as when Robson left for Man Utd.
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Evans swop with Bony and Delph + £15m
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One thing I'd like to say is that in many other threads over the summer, there have been posters (myself included) saying we need to buy players with resale value. This is what happens when you buy players that improve. They get poached.
We just need to make sure we get a replacement in that allows us to strengthen, as Astle1968 says above me.
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Some bloke on Twitter last night spouting off about Megson and Evans having a bust up over Evan's injury. Seemed confident about his news, but then again, most people on twitter think what they have to say is 100% accurate.
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One thing I'd like to say is that in many other threads over the summer, there have been posters (myself included) saying we need to buy players with resale value. This is what happens when you buy players that improve. They get poached.
We just need to make sure we get a replacement in that allows us to strengthen, as Astle1968 says above me.
Better to have players who may get poached than to have players that nobody else will touch with a barge pole. McManaman, Pocognoli....
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One thing I'd like to say is that in many other threads over the summer, there have been posters (myself included) saying we need to buy players with resale value. This is what happens when you buy players that improve. They get poached.
We just need to make sure we get a replacement in that allows us to strengthen, as Astle1968 says above me.
I 100% agree with this. Its a fact of life with the pecking order of clubs. It even applies to clubs bigger than us such as Liverpool when Barcelona come calling. I would like to say I think Pulis deserves praise to have kept the club in a positive mood enough to win a game whilst all this uncertainty regarding the probable loss of two of the best players in the club. It must be very difficult to manage the team under these circumstances whatever people think of his tactics.
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Look, Evans is a very very good player and despite the wider circles largely laughing at this deal and saying he is nowhere near good enough I think most people who have actually seen him play week in week out the last couple of years would agree he is at least good enough to be 1st choice back up at City and would do a fine job if he became 1st choice there.
However he is nowhere near the best centre back in the league, and if we shop in the right places will be replaced. What we need to do now is get someone who could be as good as Evans, or is slightly inferior, but leave ourselves enough leftover from this deal to strengthen elsewhere at he same time.
Eg if we sell Evans for £25m and sign Gibson for £25m I'd say our team is slightly weaker.
If we sell Evans for £25m, sign Gibson for £15m (which I know wont happen) and then signed say Delph for £10m we are in a much stronger position as a team.
Evans leaving is a blow but if we manage this situation correctly this could be a great opportunity for us. Manage it badly and we could land ourselves in trouble. We certainly cannot afford to have a £25m cb on the bench because h doesnt want to play and we cant afford to have Hegazi, Dawson and McAuley as our only options.
Tell City we will do the deal and make it easy for them. However the price is X millions (whatever our price is, £25m or £30m) and it is non negotiable. They have until next Wednesday to conclude the deal, after that the price doubles to £50m.
Keep everything above board and everything clear and concise with City and Evans. Neither side wants a Van Dijk situation this close to the end of the window and we certainly can't afford one. If City don't want to pay our asking price (as long as it's fair, i.e not £50m up front) then Evans can't have any issues if we reject it.
We need this done either way by the end of next week an that includes having his replacement in if required.
The problem is compounded for me by the fact our recruitment in recent times has been poor. We already need 4 with Chadli likely off, and I have limited confidence in that, let alone 5 and need to replace our best player.
As for Bony in a swap mentioned elsewhere, that would make this deal situation worse!
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Looks like we are in for the spurs man Wimmer , Evans off then?
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Looks like we are in for the spurs man Wimmer , Evans off then?
It states in a new Telegraph article that he is not the replacement.
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=20564.0
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Better to have players who may get poached than to have players that nobody else will touch with a barge pole. McManaman, Pocognoli....
True. But the likes of Yacob/Mulumbu/Foster/McAuley/etc have been essential players to the squad who nobody comes at us looking to buy. I'd much rather have players that are excellent for us that nobody wants to nick than have Southampton style in and out policy every season.
I've never enjoyed our players being courted by teams especially if we want to keep them. Gets messy.
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True. But the likes of Yacob/Mulumbu/Foster/McAuley/etc have been essential players to the squad who nobody comes at us looking to buy. I'd much rather have players that are excellent for us that nobody wants to nick than have Southampton style in and out policy every season.
I've never enjoyed our players being courted by teams especially if we want to keep them. Gets messy.
Both Yacob and Mulumbu were courted by clubs after their first seasons in the Prem. I remember Arsenal being interested in one of them.
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Both Yacob and Mulumbu were courted by clubs after their first seasons in the Prem. I remember Arsenal being interested in one of them.
We are what we are. If we sign decent players then there's nothing we can do if a big club comes in for them. Even Spurs and Liverpool, above us in the food chain, are vulnerable. Arsenal are vulnerable. Only United, City and Chelsea at the top of the food chain can fend off Real Madrid, PSG and Barcelona.
It's just the way it is and there's nothing we can do about it except sign rubbish players that we can't then even give away.
We need to accept the reality that high turnover of very good players is inevitable. At the peak of their career we'd have them for 2 seasons maximum. Or we get them in the autumn of their careers.
We should be able to sign just about any top U21 player in Europe, accepting that if they are exceptional then we'll sell for a big profit, and if they are just very good then we'll have them for 2-3 years. If there's the occasional dog in there then that's part of the risk equation. So good scouting is vital to improve the odds.
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if you want a laugh Durham is dissing Evans
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if you want a laugh Durham is dissing Evans
Let me guess he's said something over the top and controversial just to get Albion and City fans phoning in. ::)
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Hes at his level and Pep as lost the plot he says,
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Don't want to see Jonny leave us, our best center-back in last few years.
It's very difficult to find a replacement in the same class with Jonny.
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if you want a laugh Durham is dissing Evans
LP
I know, caught a bit of that.
Couple of jokers him & Goughy. Saying, stuff like, 'is this what it's come to, trying to buy players that weren't good enough for United.'
Johnny Evans is a class act & if City were to offer serious money like 30 mill, they'd get themselves a defender that alongside Kompany is, of genuine champions league quality.
Problem is he's not named Evansinho, so they offer 18 million instead of his true current value!
That said, I truly hope we can hang on to him, as he's a top drawer player!
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Don't want to see Jonny leave us, our best center-back in last few years.
It's very difficult to find a replacement in the same class with Jonny.
Last few years? I think you'll struggle to find a better centre back to ever wear the stripes...
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I haven't got the time mate to search back through previous links on so many threads
What threads are these, i havent seen it anyway and I'm off work tomorrow so happy to find the links for you.
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Last few years? I think you'll struggle to find a better centre back to ever wear the stripes...
there's a few equal to Johnny Evans who've played for us.
John Wile
Martyn Bennett
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there's a few equal to Johnny Evans who've played for us.
John Wile
Martyn Bennett
Bennett was quality until he got the injury, don't forget Alistair
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Chris whyte was quality
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He is going, expect fee to be around £25m, we want £30m and they want to pay £18m plus add ons. His wages are not an issue understandably. This is moving very quickly. Manchester journos are convinced it's just a couple of million apart now.
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Last few years? I think you'll struggle to find a better centre back to ever wear the stripes...
Depends how far you are going back, seen quite a few better
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He is going
Get as much money and sell him asap. Need as much time as we can get replacing him
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With City going for Evans and Spurs going for the Ajax lad, that's 2 clubs rumoured to be interested in Gibson out of the question.
Can see us offering the Evans money straight to Boro for Gibson for a like for like swap.
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He is going, expect fee to be around £25m, we want £30m and they want to pay £18m plus add ons. His wages are not an issue understandably. This is moving very quickly. Manchester journos are convinced it's just a couple of million apart now.
Disaster. The two players that gave me hope look to be leaving.
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With City going for Evans and Spurs going for the Ajax lad, that's 2 clubs rumoured to be interested in Gibson out of the question.
Can see us offering the Evans money straight to Boro for Gibson for a like for like swap.
There's also Southampton if they cave in on Van Dijk
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He is going, expect fee to be around £25m, we want £30m and they want to pay £18m plus add ons. His wages are not an issue understandably. This is moving very quickly. Manchester journos are convinced it's just a couple of million apart now.
Pretty gutted I think we should have put a 40 mill price tag on his head, clearly Guardiola wants him and City will pay pretty much anything for players pep wants. Be a tough replacement I hope the money is invested back into the team.
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He is going, expect fee to be around £25m, we want £30m and they want to pay £18m plus add ons. His wages are not an issue understandably. This is moving very quickly. Manchester journos are convinced it's just a couple of million apart now.
Can we pick up Delph while we're at it.
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Disaster. The two players that gave me hope look to be leaving.
Having thought about it, am not so worried about Evans, but that's partially because I was already convinced we would lose him when Leicester were sniffing. We didn't do enough to make it clear that he was staying, and he hadn't signed his new contract despite being named captain. Would be gutted to see him go to a Leicester, but to a big 6 club is fine.
Chadli - very talented and exciting but only once every 3 games and at times was very poor last season.
Both replaceable - but my only worry is whether we can spend the money quickly enough and wisely enough. Wimmer would be a very good start.
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He is going, expect fee to be around £25m, we want £30m and they want to pay £18m plus add ons. His wages are not an issue understandably. This is moving very quickly. Manchester journos are convinced it's just a couple of million apart now.
Appreciate the info. At that money it is not a disaster! Spend it wisely!
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Hopefully if we can spend the money on Wimmer and Gibson then it shouldn't leave us in too bad a situation.
Thanks for the info Baggie, appreciated as always.
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There's also Southampton if they cave in on Van Dijk
Saints are pretty adamant that Van Dijk will not be sold this window.
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Saints are pretty adamant that Van Dijk will not be sold this window.
Can we pick up Delph while we're at it.
I suspect they will cave in next week.
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Saints are pretty adamant that Van Dijk will not be sold this window.
We were pretty adamant that Evans was not for sale in this window. Not working out too well is it? :(
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I suspect they will cave in next week.
Sorry the Delph comment was separate.
I'd love us to secure a deal for Delph and a year's loan for Bony whilst we are negotiating with them. Not so bothered re Bony, but Delph would be fantastic.
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Personally I think that £25m for a player who is basically 30 is very good business from a financial point of view. Whether it is good from a team point of view depends on who we sign.
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there's a few equal to Johnny Evans who've played for us.
John Wile
Martyn Bennett
Thought Chris Whyte was quality went on to win the league with Leeds after us.
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If he does leave Evans will be a big loss but I always expect us to be defensively sound while TP is here anyway so I think we'll be alright as long as we can get the four or so players we need. If he wasn't going to leave this season it would have been next season so at least we can prepare for his loss and try and get someone here for the next few years. I have to admit it before this City interest I was positive he would be going nowhere, didn't expect it. Oh well, it's a good move for him and I hope he proves a few wrong.
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He is going, expect fee to be around £25m, we want £30m and they want to pay £18m plus add ons. His wages are not an issue understandably. This is moving very quickly. Manchester journos are convinced it's just a couple of million apart now.
Goes down in history as the only team captain never to wear the armband competivley unless anyone knows better
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It would be good if Delph was part of the deal TBH
Cannot blame him going - best CB I have seen down there for a very long time - total class.
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Not many city fans I speak to are happy with Evans but then again when we got him the Utd fans I spoke to said he was cack.
I think he be better staying with us but money talks
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Tones remarks about Evans' injury on Saturday look all the more meaningful now
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Tones remarks about Evans' injury on Saturday look all the more meaningful now
Yeah,a tissue of lies to all and sundry but more importantly too the fans
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So who gets the captains role if as suspected Evans goes? Could it be Barry he was clearly well respected by many at Everton.
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Yeah,a tissue of lies to all and sundry but more importantly too the fans
I felt it suspicious at the time the team was announced at the Fanzone yet so many fans just wanted to believe the party line as to what the Club put out.
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Matt Carbon before he cut his hair would have rivaled Evans ;D
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Personally I think that £25m for a player who is basically 30 is very good business from a financial point of view. Whether it is good from a team point of view depends on who we sign.
I think it is good business I just hope that we go for someone like smalling and delph with the cash to make us stronger as a unit, then use the chadli money in the attacking part of the field with what ever else we already had put to one side.
It's all about the "sum of the parts" not just the individual
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I would try and get Patrick Roberts included in the deal, looks a right talent
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Personally I think that £25m for a player who is basically 30 is very good business from a financial point of view. Whether it is good from a team point of view depends on who we sign.
When I look at the fees currently being spent on players this year, even older ones (28 year old Sigurdsson for £45 million, £20 million for 28 year old Arnautović, £15 million for Wimmer), I am not that sure £25 million is an amazing fee personally for a player of Evans pedigree. 29 isn't really that old for a centre back, so I think £25 million is about right in the current market, but certainly not an amazing deal for us.
Still, I don't really see a way we keep him, and if the club feel they can get Wimmer and Gibson for cheaper fees, it might work out for us in the long term.
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When I look at the fees currently being spent on players this year, even older ones (28 year old Sigurdsson for £45 million, £20 million for 28 year old Arnautović, £15 million for Wimmer), I am not that sure £25 million is an amazing fee personally for a player of Evans pedigree. 29 isn't really that old for a centre back, so I think £25 million is about right in the current market, but certainly not an amazing deal for us.
Still, I don't really see a way we keep him, and if the club feel they can get Wimmer and Gibson for cheaper fees, it might work out for us in the long term.
I agree and think we should try and squeeze an extra £5 million out of them - after all it's Man City and they're known to over-pay at times.
He will certainly be a loss, for once with us it was one of those "we should have singed him for that price" deals where we actually got in there and got the player, now we are being financially rewarded for it.
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As good as gone now. We move on. Played fine without him last week and I'm sure the club have a replacement lined up to move in on quickly.
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Use the Gibson money to buy Wimmer.
Sell Evans and use the money to buy Smalling.
I'd argue that would improve the defence.
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Being reported by the Sunday Mirror that City are ready to bid £22m tomorrow and are hoping that it will be enough. I somehow doubt it!
They are also claiming that City need to sell Magnala first to raise the funds. Really? Hardly our fault that they spunked so much on Kyle Walker.
This one may be far from done yet!
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Being reported by the Sunday Mirror that City are ready to bid £22m tomorrow and are hoping that it will be enough. I somehow doubt it!
They are also claiming that City need to sell Magnala first to raise the funds. Really? Hardly our fault that they spunked so much on Kyle Walker.
This one may be far from done yet!
yeah.funny how they can find pot fulls of money for their other targets but not for our player,get jezza in to negotiate
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Just wish either the bids get serious and offer proper money. Or they go away.
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Yeah,a tissue of lies to all and sundry but more importantly too the fans
Are you truly deluded enough to think that when directly asked about it Pulis should have said "Yes we are selling him"? :o
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Are you truly deluded enough to think that when directly asked about it Pulis should have said "Yes we are selling him"? :o
why not?the truth is always better and by saying what he said he has conned the fans.fwiw ive never been enamoured or sucked in by Pulis' motives and honesty.the cynic in me has always doubted Pulis' integrity
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Albion playing hard ball 35 million to get us to the table :P
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if the benchmark is that we could not get ben gibson for 24 mio then "fair value' for evans has to be 34 mio minimum
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He doesn't score enough from set pieces ;D
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I think even allowing for the tidal wave of money that's hit the game most fees this summer have been ranging from a little over cooked to bat rubbish crazy but I still think trying to get to a fair value price is worthwhile.
Comparing Evans to other Centre Halves is difficult at 29 he is significantly older than most of the players he is being compared with and unlike Gibson for instance won't improve across the course of a four year deal. Equally City can't offer a four year deal without him getting to the veteran stage of his career. With Evans you are buying the here and now and hoping that the inevitable decline doesn't kick in early.
The only other comparable deal for a Centre Back at Evans age this summer is Bonnuci from Juve to Milan for an eye popping £37m all the other big fee moves have been for players in the mid 20's or younger. I wouldn't put Evans in the same league but asking for £30m does.
Ultimately if Evans is going to go we are now just haggling about the fee. Obviously I want the club to get as much as possible but fans shouldn't be disappointed if that ends up around £25m
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I think even allowing for the tidal wave of money that's hit the game most fees this summer have been ranging from a little over cooked to bat rubbish crazy but I still think trying
Comparing Evans to other Centre Halves is difficult at 29 he is significantly older than most of the players he is being compared with and unlike Gibson for instance won't improve across the course of a four year deal. Equally City can't offer a four year deal without him getting to the veteran stage of his career. With Evans you are buying the here and now and hoping that the inevitable decline doesn't kick in early.
The only other comparable deal for a Centre Back at Evans age this summer is Bonnuci from Juve to Milan for an eye popping £37m all the other big fee moves have been for players in the mid 20's or younger. I wouldn't put Evans in the same league but asking for £30m does.
Ultimately if Evans is going to go we are now just haggling about the fee. Obviously I want the club to get as much as possible but fans shouldn't be disappointed if that ends up around £25m
But then you need to add in the Man City factor of having more money than sense, as evidenced by paying £50m for Kyle Walker. That has to be worth an extra £5m. Keen buyer, unwilling seller.
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http://www.teamtalk.com/news/west-brom-name-price-for-evans-as-man-city-line-up-new-bid That's more like the price he is worth in the current crazy climate. Lets hope its what they are willing to pay for him and we will hold out for.
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http://www.teamtalk.com/news/west-brom-name-price-for-evans-as-man-city-line-up-new-bid That's more like the price he is worth in the current crazy climate. Lets hope its what they are willing to pay for him and we will hold out for.
I'm pretty sure this is done now from what I've been told. £22m odd plus add ons taking it to £25m all in
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Not enough.
Terrible if we accept 25 let alone 22m. Guy is class, we all know that. Saints playing hardball over VVD, boro with Gibson and we should too. Out captain and best player is worth more than that especially in this climate.
I'd like 35m but I'd reluctantly accept 30m
No less.
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Twitter posts from Pulis (from HITC)
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/18/tony-pulis-responds-to-jonny-evans-to-manchester-city-speculatio/
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I think even allowing for the tidal wave of money that's hit the game most fees this summer have been ranging from a little over cooked to bat rubbish crazy but I still think trying to get to a fair value price is worthwhile.
Comparing Evans to other Centre Halves is difficult at 29 he is significantly older than most of the players he is being compared with and unlike Gibson for instance won't improve across the course of a four year deal. Equally City can't offer a four year deal without him getting to the veteran stage of his career. With Evans you are buying the here and now and hoping that the inevitable decline doesn't kick in early.
The only other comparable deal for a Centre Back at Evans age this summer is Bonnuci from Juve to Milan for an eye popping £37m all the other big fee moves have been for players in the mid 20's or younger. I wouldn't put Evans in the same league but asking for £30m does.
Ultimately if Evans is going to go we are now just haggling about the fee. Obviously I want the club to get as much as possible but fans shouldn't be disappointed if that ends up around £25m
I reckon it'll be about that, and he'll go and sit on their bench for two seasons before going somewhere like a newly promoted club for tuppence, and regret it when we win the cup. ;)
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Just out of interest would there be a sell on clause to man u for a percent age of the sale price?
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Just out of interest would there be a sell on clause to man u for a percent age of the sale price?
I would think its unlikely, are they normally for younger players who have not realised there full potential yet?
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Are they just trying to keep the price down or going a bit cold after the city fans comments ?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pep-guardiola-insists-would-happy-1101062
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10994099/evans-is-a-west-brom-player
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Always makes me laugh that people still rise to Durham in fairness. He is clearly only employed as someone who has never had friends and therefore has nothing to lose by just exclaiming the most ridiculous opinions the producers can concoct to drag in the idiots who rise to it and keep their ratings up.
Have you seen the bloke? Couldn't punch clay uglier.
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Always makes me laugh that people still rise to Durham in fairness. He is clearly only employed as someone who has never had friends and therefore has nothing to lose by just exclaiming the most ridiculous opinions the producers can concoct to drag in the idiots who rise to it and keep their ratings up.
Have you seen the bloke? Couldn't punch clay uglier.
He's like a shock jock for sport. I think sometimes he doesn't even believe what he is saying he is just doing it to wind people up and keep up a persona. Yesterday he was basically saying that he knew more about football than Brian Robson and Pep Guardiola.
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He's like a shock jock for sport. I think sometimes he doesn't even believe what he is saying he is just doing it to wind people up and keep up a persona. Yesterday he was basically saying that he knew more about football than Brian Robson and Pep Guardiola.
I imagine after all these years of adopting the persona, he probably does have a bit of a God complex now as a result of it. I just can't believe he still reels them in with it though, it's laughable.
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Are they just trying to keep the price down or going a bit cold after the city fans comments ?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pep-guardiola-insists-would-happy-1101062
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10994099/evans-is-a-west-brom-player
Negotiating tactics
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Just out of interest would there be a sell on clause to man u for a percent age of the sale price?
According to someone I've never heard of on Twitter, Man City have apparently bid £27.5m and £3m would go to United. Probably definitely balls though.
Update: Twitter man is a tw@tter man. Posts legit stories alongside garbage.
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According to someone I've never heard of on Twitter, Man City have apparently bid £27.5m and £3m would go to United. Probably definitely balls though.
Update: Twitter man is a tw@tter man. Posts legit stories alongside garbage.
I thought I had seen there is no sell on fee so that appears bull.
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According to twitter, fee agreed for around 27.5m.
Given his age, that is reasonable if true, given his age and that he wants to go.
Have to hope we can use the money to fund Sakho and move quickly.
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Let's squeeze £30million out of them. 8)
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According to twitter, fee agreed for around 27.5m.
Given his age, that is reasonable if true, given his age and that he wants to go.
Have to hope we can use the money to fund Sakho and move quickly.
27.5 and delph is reasonable in the current market
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27.5 and delph is reasonable in the current market
Cant remember the last time a player was involved in a cash+swap deal. They simply dont happen.
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The bloke on twitter is someone I unfollowed a few weeks back as he's a BS merchant. He has Man U having a sell on fee, which has never once been mentioned.
He had Coutiniho as an agreed fee on 11/08 and Lingard to Barca for huge money a month ago.
He just makes stuff up. Total BS merchant
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According to twitter, fee agreed for around 27.5m.
Given his age, that is reasonable if true, given his age and that he wants to go.
Have to hope we can use the money to fund Sakho and move quickly.
Got to be true then ;D ;D
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The bloke on twitter is someone I unfollowed a few weeks back as he's a BS merchant. He has Man H having a sell on fee, which has never once been mentioned.
He had Coutiniho as an agreed fee on 11/08 and Lingard to Man U for huge money a month ago.
He just makes stuff up. Total BS merchant
Definitely fake then
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The bs merchants are all over the Evans story, lots of clickbait potential City fans don't like the deal so plenty of foaming at the mouth reaction and traffic to be gathered with a well directed tweet.
As I see it the situation is thus. Initial bid knocked back discussions ongoing and you can guess when they are concluded by the tightness or otherwise of Evans' hamstring. At the time of writing hamstring status still tight.
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The bs merchants are all over the Evans story, lots of clickbait potential City fans don't like the deal so plenty of foaming at the mouth reaction and traffic to be gathered with a well directed tweet.
As I see it the situation is thus. Initial bid knocked back discussions ongoing and you can guess when they are concluded by the tightness or otherwise of Evans' hamstring. At the time of writing hamstring status still tight.
Does anyone know if Evans has made any sort of statement? we are all well aware of the turbulence caused by the Berahino and Odemwingie transfers - however, I do realise Evans is a differant personality to the capricious nature to those two charactures.
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Does anyone know if Evans has made any sort of statement? we are all well aware of the turbulence caused by the Berahino and Odemwingie transfers - however, I do realise Evans is a differant personality to the capricious nature to those two charactures.
I was hoping that captain Jonny would have made a statement - to the fact that he is staying at the Club :o
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Evans won't say anything until the situation is resolved Pulis/the club have given him the tight hamstring excuse so bridges aren't burnt and nobody will have the opportunity to stick a microphone in his face.
Does Evans want to go? Probably one last shot at Champions League level back to Manchester point to prove and double your wages even if you don't prove it, why the hell wouldn't he?
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Does anyone know if Evans has made any sort of statement? we are all well aware of the turbulence caused by the Berahino and Odemwingie transfers - however, I do realise Evans is a differant personality to the capricious nature to those two charactures.
Evans will not be making any statement or causing the club any problems. This is the same situation as last year, when Arsenal (who were playing Champion's League football" tried to sign him but did not neet the club's valuation. This will be the same situation this time, but I hope we have a replacement lined up in case he is sold. (Wimmer will not be a replacement if bought).
From Puilis,
“He had a chance to go to Arsenal last year,†Pulis said.
“It didn’t affect him in any way.
“You could say Manchester City are different because they will be hoping to win the title, the Champions league, and the FA Cup. It is difficult.
"They’ve made an offer that we’ve turned down. Every player is for sale at the right price, it is absolutely crazy to say that a team like West Brom won’t sell players if people are going to put an enormous amount of money in front of you."
“It is market forces. We don’t want to sell him, or need to sell him, we are not desperate to get the money in, so it would have to be a very, very good offer. Then we would sit down and talk to Jonny about the situation.
“It is irrelevant whether he wants to stay or doesn’t want to stay. The most important thing is everyone understands he is one of our best players. That is what we’ll try to do, keep him here.
“Jonny’s fine, he understands the situation. Until all parties agree nothing will happen. He is happy here, he’s just been made captain.â€
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Definitely fake then
Ha, yes, I've corrected the surprising number of mistakes there. I must have been tired :-[
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If Jonny goes to city you can't blame him, but I hope he doesn't, he's a proper pro keeps his head down and does his job
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Evans is class, however when Fletch jumped quicker than I've ever seen him move in a blue and white shirt I always thought this might happen.
He is a true professional like Fletch, but if he gets the chance he will go is my opinion.
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Hasn't travelled today. Chadli has.
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Cheerio Johnny and thanks for the memories.
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Evans hasn't travelled with the Albion squad to Turf Moor. Chadli has. #wba
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We all knew he was a class above Albion.
Current heirachy and in particular the manager don't have ambition to ever achieve more than what we currently do.
Can't begrudge Evans a move if it's their to one of the big boys. Top pro.
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We all knew he was a class above Albion.
Current heirachy and in particular the manager don't have ambition to ever achieve more than what we currently do.
Can't begrudge Evans a move if it's their to one of the big boys. Top pro.
I don't really see what ambition has to do with it, Southampton have supposed ambition and their players stil want to leave them every summer too. Fact is players will always want to move to the champions league contenders, regardless of our "ambition".
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I don't really see what ambition has to do with it, Southampton have supposed ambition and their players stil want to leave them every summer too. Fact is players will always want to move to the champions league contenders, regardless of our "ambition".
Correction
"Players will always want to move to clubs paying double what their current club can afford"
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We all knew he was a class above Albion.
Current heirachy and in particular the manager don't have ambition to ever achieve more than what we currently do.
Can't begrudge Evans a move if it's their to one of the big boys. Top pro.
Surely a bit hypocritical? Club can't win as usual
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Evans hasn't travelled with the Albion squad to Turf Moor. Chadli has. #wba
why would an injured player travel?
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We all knew he was a class above Albion.
Current heirachy and in particular the manager don't have ambition to ever achieve more than what we currently do.
Can't begrudge Evans a move if it's their to one of the big boys. Top pro.
Sorry but there isn't a level of ambition can we show to change the pull of Man City. Arsenal have been stripped mined of talent in the past Sterling pulled out of Liverpool, Walker out of Spurs. For sure a real tilt at top half finish and a cup run really going to make a difference to Evan's decision.
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If we sell Evans for £25-£30 and then bring someone like Sakho in for the same price on what is likely to be higher wages is this a good deal? Is Sakho really better than Evans? I'm not convinced and feel it would be a shame for Evans to go (I can understand the reasons he would but he's still contracted)
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If we sell Evans for £25-£30 and then bring someone like Sakho in for the same price on what is likely to be higher wages is this a good deal? Is Sakho really better than Evans? I'm not convinced and feel it would be a shame for Evans to go (I can understand the reasons he would but he's still contracted)
Hope we get a bit more than that personally :P
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If we sell Evans for £25-£30 and then bring someone like Sakho in for the same price on what is likely to be higher wages is this a good deal? Is Sakho really better than Evans? I'm not convinced and feel it would be a shame for Evans to go (I can understand the reasons he would but he's still contracted)
Can't see anyone we bring in being an upgrade on Evans. Smalling Maybees ?
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Can't see anyone we bring in being an upgrade on Evans. Smalling Maybees ?
Think sakho is a bit of a beast to be honest would thrive in our system attitudes just the question(and the fact I'd doubt he would want to move here)
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someone on twitter claiming Evans has put in a transfer request.
Dont shoot the messenger rumours and tat and all... :D
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Think sakho is a bit of a beast to be honest would thrive in our system attitudes just the question(and the fact I'd doubt he would want to move here)
seems though his career in the UK has hit the buffers with being surplus at pool and palace no longer wanting him,his only option left to him could be us or he will be happy to sit idle until his contract at pool runs its course
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Can't see anyone we bring in being an upgrade on Evans. Smalling Maybees ?
Evans is a much better player then Smalling.
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I reckon that Jonny Evans will end up at Everton.
Was listening to Koeman last night after the game and he is definitely after a left sided CB.
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I can see him staying as I really believe other clubs are too short sighted to pay what he is worth because of not being a "fashionable" name. I hope to god this is the case, anyway.
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I reckon that Jonny Evans will end up at Everton.
Was listening to Koeman last night after the game and he is definitely after a left sided CB.
Never in a million years
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I can see him staying as I really believe other clubs are too short sighted to pay what he is worth because of not being a "fashionable" name. I hope to god this is the case, anyway.
I think he'll be staying here because he is vastly overpriced for what he is.
He isn't good enough for the top six, no matter how much our fans build him up. He is at his level. City only want him because they have to have so many home grown players in the squad and are short, while Everton aren't and will have much better targets.
And by the way, when people were saying that we should have accepted the £18 million from City they weren't saying that little old Albion should accept what they were being given - they were saying an £18 million bid for Evans is way over what he's worth, and we should have snatched their hands off. Which is probably right.
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I think he'll be staying here because he is vastly overpriced for what he is.
He isn't good enough for the top six, no matter how much our fans build him up. He is at his level. City only want him because they have to have so many home grown players in the squad and are short, while Everton aren't and will have much better targets.
And by the way, when people were saying that we should have accepted the £18 million from City they weren't saying that little old Albion should accept what they were being given - they were saying an £18 million bid for Evans is way over what he's worth, and we should have snatched their hands off. Which is probably right.
Jonny Evans, not adequately replaced, is worth FAR more than £18m to the club. It could cost the club its Premier League status, so I'd disagree he's worth less than that.
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I think he'll be staying here because he is vastly overpriced for what he is.
He isn't good enough for the top six, no matter how much our fans build him up. He is at his level. City only want him because they have to have so many home grown players in the squad and are short, while Everton aren't and will have much better targets.
And by the way, when people were saying that we should have accepted the £18 million from City they weren't saying that little old Albion should accept what they were being given - they were saying an £18 million bid for Evans is way over what he's worth, and we should have snatched their hands off. Which is probably right.
Here is a few others that are overpriced too:
Nathan Ake £20m
Jordan Pickford £25m
Gylfi Sigurdsson £45m
Marko Arnautovic £25m
Michael Keane £30m
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Here is a few others that are overpriced too:
Nathan Ake £20m
Jordan Pickford £25m
Gylfi Sigurdsson £45m
Marko Arnautovic £25m
Michael Keane £30m
Yes. Yes they are. But most of those are younger than Evans, and have the capacity to get better.
Evans is just a cog in the Pulis machine. We've kept two clean sheets without Evans - the system is what does it, not the individual.
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Here is a few others that are overpriced too:
Nathan Ake £20m
Jordan Pickford £25m
Gylfi Sigurdsson £45m
Marko Arnautovic £25m
Michael Keane £30m
Pickford and Sigurdsson arent overpriced. Have you seen their stats from last season? Better stats than Coutinho
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Here is a few others that are overpriced too:
Nathan Ake £20m
Jordan Pickford £25m
Gylfi Sigurdsson £45m
Marko Arnautovic £25m
Michael Keane £30m
The one thing I can still frustrated with when we get involved in deals, wehn we sell a player we want above market rates, when we buy we become tighter than a ducks backside.
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Yes. Yes they are. But most of those are younger than Evans, and have the capacity to get better.
Evans is just a cog in the Pulis machine. We've kept two clean sheets without Evans - the system is what does it, not the individual.
Sigursson 27 Arnautović 28 hardly younger. I guess he is worth what someone is willing to pay for him compared to what the Albion value him at. At the moment £18m is that whatever you or I think. In my opinion its not worth selling him for less than £25m at this moment in time. Lets wait and see if we keep a clean sheet against better teams than we have played so far.
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The one thing I can still frustrated with when we get involved in deals, wehn we sell a player we want above market rates, when we buy we become tighter than a ducks backside.
Who have we overpriced?
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Who have we overpriced?
Berahino - vastly overpriced, overweight, over indulgent
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I reckon that Jonny Evans will end up at Everton.
Was listening to Koeman last night after the game and he is definitely after a left sided CB.
I think he specifically wants a left footer so that they can potentially cover for Baines too. Evans tends to play left side of a 2 for us and is decent with both feet but he's naturally right footed.
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The one thing I can still frustrated with when we get involved in deals, wehn we sell a player we want above market rates, when we buy we become tighter than a ducks backside.
I pray you never start your own business
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Berahino - vastly overpriced, overweight, over indulgent
He was when we sold him. Even tried to tell the Stoke fans that, but would they listen?? Thankfully not :)
There was a brief time when he was worth the fee, but then little goblins started to run around in his head.........
To keep the thread Jonny related, I personally think that at £25m he is not at all overpriced. The lad is a class act and would easily fit into a top 6 side.
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I pray you never start your own business
I don't mind us trying get a good price when we sell and buy players, but it the way we do it I don't like.
Wanting all the money upfront when we sell, but want to buy in small chunks and then lie to us. Stating Ideye was 12million when we bought him and then it 6 million when we sold as an example.
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Pickford and Sigurdsson arent overpriced. Have you seen their stats from last season? Better stats than Coutinho
Impressive from a goal keeper to be better then Coutinho.
Unfortunately the prices are dictated by the market. Therefore, none of these players are actually overpriced.
Over rated perhaps. Evans definitely falls into the under rated category hence all the idiots saying "he's rubbish!!?" etc..
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I think he'll be staying here because he is vastly overpriced for what he is.
He isn't good enough for the top six, no matter how much our fans build him up. He is at his level. City only want him because they have to have so many home grown players in the squad and are short, while Everton aren't and will have much better targets.
And by the way, when people were saying that we should have accepted the £18 million from City they weren't saying that little old Albion should accept what they were being given - they were saying an £18 million bid for Evans is way over what he's worth, and we should have snatched their hands off. Which is probably right.
All players are vastly overpriced but not being good enough for a top 6 club???? What planet are you on, Man Citeh want him and he played and won everything with Man Utd. Fergie rated him as a player and is on record saying it was a mistake to sell him. Evans has consistently proved that to be correct. I get that everyone has an opinion but I would hazard a guess that yours on Evans would be a minority opinion. He's pure class, one of the best defenders in the Premier league and also one of the most underrated.
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Did anyone watch Man City v Everton? Stones and Otamendi are mistakes waiting to happen. These pair cost almost £100m! The fact is Jonny Evans is better than both of them.
Otamendi is 29 and same age as JE. He cost £42m! On this basis I'd demand £50m+.
Stones is young and has time on his side. But, boy does he have to improve to be worthy of £50m outlay.
Guardiola was lucky at Barca with Pique and Puyol. The evidence so far at City is that he doesn't know how to construct a defence. I'd say that Alderweireld and Bailly are far superior to anyone at City.
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If JE went to Man City it would get them the Prem league title I reckon, and the critics would be acknowledging him as the missing piece in their jigsaw by the season end. Worth every penny and more I reckon, just hope they don't realise it and he stays with us.
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Guardiola was lucky at Barca with Pique and Puyol. The evidence so far at City is that he doesn't know how to construct a defence. I'd say that Alderweireld and Bailly are far superior to anyone at City.
Barcelona have had a defence in name only ever since Puyol retired. In the Xavi, Messi, Iniesta era they always defended from the front with the famous retrieve-lost-possession-in-seven-seconds strategy. Their game was built around possession, with approaching 80 per cent achieved in most games. But some of the top teams have now found ways to beat them and their two most recent managerial appointments have not been at the Guardiola level. As with all great teams, age eventually catches up with even the best players.
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Barcelona have had a defence in name only ever since Puyol retired. In the Xavi, Messi, Iniesta era they always defended from the front with the famous retrieve-lost-possession-in-seven-seconds strategy. Their game was built around possession, with approaching 80 per cent achieved in most games. But some of the top teams have now found ways to beat them and their two most recent managerial appointments have not been at the Guardiola level. As with all great teams, age eventually catches up with even the best players.
That was the genius of SAF? He kept Man Utd at the top for an extended period by revitalising the squad constantly & mercilessly
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Berahino - vastly overpriced, overweight, over indulgent
When Spurs were after him he was 100% under priced.
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Being reported city to come back with another bid
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When Spurs were after him he was 100% under priced.
Bet Stoke don't agree with you :D
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Berahino - vastly overpriced, overweight, over indulgent
"When we sell players" -One - Berahino and £12m to Stoke is hardly overpriced.
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Bet Stoke don't agree with you :D
That was nearly 18 months after & a lot of rubbish had flown under the bridge in that time.
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All players are vastly overpriced but not being good enough for a top 6 club???? What planet are you on, Man Citeh want him and he played and won everything with Man Utd. Fergie rated him as a player and is on record saying it was a mistake to sell him. Evans has consistently proved that to be correct. I get that everyone has an opinion but I would hazard a guess that yours on Evans would be a minority opinion. He's pure class, one of the best defenders in the Premier league and also one of the most underrated.
Fergie also rated Anderson, Bebe, Kleberson, Eric Djemba-Djemba, and a host of others. He wasn't infallible. His squad was really poor by the end.
Mine might be a minority opinion on these forums, but not in the wider world.
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Called up to the NI squad along with brunty,either he's nearly fit or was all along and his head not straight
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Called up to the NI squad along with brunty,either he's nearly fit or was all along and his head not straight
a bit of box section should put that right
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Called up to the NI squad along with brunty,either he's nearly fit or was all along and his head not straight
Being called up and being fit are two different things. I for one would never question the integrity of Jonny Evans.
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Called up to the NI squad along with brunty,either he's nearly fit or was all along and his head not straight
Might be that he is nearly fit and N. Ireland hope that he will be fit by the time they play San Marino on Friday week.
You never know he might be fit to face Stoke on Saturday.
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Being called up and being fit are two different things. I for one would never question the integrity of Jonny Evans.
Sorry but as much as I'd like to believe in his integrity he has done nothing to display it and at present Evans and Pulis are on the same hymn sheet to protect the asset.Mahrez at Leicester on the other hand has certainly displayed his integrity by still busting a gut for his team whilst still being paid by them even though its a similar situation to Evans
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Sorry but as much as I'd like to believe in his integrity he has done nothing to display it and at present Evans and Pulis are on the same hymn sheet to protect the asset.Mahrez at Leicester on the other hand has certainly displayed his integrity by still busting a gut for his team whilst still being paid by them even though its a similar situation to Evans
You seem to be suggesting that Evans isn't really injured.
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Think Mahrez is a different situation anyway, he's not on the verge of joining Barca or anything. Roma are quite a way off Leicester's valuation and would they be a big move for Mahrez ?
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You seem to be suggesting that Evans isn't really injured.
I'm suggesting nothing just the cynic in me,unless you know a person intimately or they display a sign of integrity you can never be sure.Evans to his credit has kept a low profile while all the uncertainty has gone on and that's about all you can clarify.I for one hope he stays though as he's a hard act to follow for sure
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Sorry but as much as I'd like to believe in his integrity he has done nothing to display it and at present Evans and Pulis are on the same hymn sheet to protect the asset.Mahrez at Leicester on the other hand has certainly displayed his integrity by still busting a gut for his team whilst still being paid by them even though its a similar situation to Evans
He was linked to Arsenal a few months ago and it didn't affect him at all. You will recall that he did get a pull when he was in Hong Kong, and things like that sometimes hang around.
Unlike Mahrez I am not aware that JE has handed a transfer request in.....and of course you are going to play out of your skin because you want a decent club to come in for you.
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He was linked to Arsenal a few months ago and it didn't affect him at all. You will recall that he did get a pull when he was in Hong Kong, and things like that sometimes hang around.
Unlike Mahrez I am not aware that JE has handed a transfer request in.....and of course you are going to play out of your skin because you want a decent club to come in for you.
Did Arsenal actually put in a bid for him I was not aware of one? We are led to believe City have and were rejected though,a bit of a difference
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Did Arsenal actually put in a bid for him I was not aware of one? We are led to believe City have and were rejected though,a bit of a difference
No they didn't but I don't think it does make much difference. City definitely have but there is no evidence that Evans has had his head turned........he is carrying an injury that many of us saw happen in Hong Kong, unless anyone knows anything different.
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It was his ankle in Hong Kong.
TP obviously didn't help things with his 'we'll have to take his word for it' comment re the latest injury.
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Fergie also rated Anderson, Bebe, Kleberson, Eric Djemba-Djemba, and a host of others. He wasn't infallible. His squad was really poor by the end.
Mine might be a minority opinion on these forums, but not in the wider world.
Johnny Evans is a better player than all of them though and his squad at the "end" WON THE PREMIER LEAGUE. Your posts are poor, not Fergies final squad of players. If I'm wrong please back up your ludicrous comments.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-manchester-city-set-13520909
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-manchester-city-set-13520909
If he wants to go we can't turn that offer down
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If he wants to go we can't turn that offer down
I fully agree. And if we want do actually want Delph then I really hope we are trying to negotiate it as part of the deal.
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Hard to see him staying if that offer is on the table
As long as decent replacements come in then I'll be gutted but happy we've replaced with quality
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The papers are just guessing the fee. The guesses range from £22 -30 million, so really no idea.
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I can believe the reports of £30m because it's City and that's what they do. They may even be able to convince themselves that it's better value than Virgil van Dijk at £60m plus (it might be) However this is the point at which we wave farewell to Jonny Evans he's 29 two years left on his contract with a terminal case of tight hamstring take the money complete on Wimmer and buy a left back defence sorted.
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Baggie79 said he had gone last week so ive been braced for the news a good week now although further word from him would be appreciated.
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Evans @30m = Sakho imho.
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We could potentially sign a couple of very good players for 30 million. No need to go and splurge it all on one player (if we do indeed sell Evans).
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Debut for City will be at the Hawthorns
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Man City are trying to sign Espanyol defender Aaron Martin, reports Sport.
City have tracked the Spaniard, 20, for several months and are in negotiations with Espanyol after tabling a €20m bid.
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Another story board reckons he's off to Man City for £30m next week
http://sportslens.com/jonny-evans-set-to-sign-for-manchester-city-next-week/215419/
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Another story board reckons he's off to Man City for £30m next week
http://sportslens.com/jonny-evans-set-to-sign-for-manchester-city-next-week/215419/
there's loads of these "reports" all stemming from the same story by The Daily Mirror.
https://talksport.com/football/transfer-rumours-and-paper-review-thursday-august-24-chelsea-make-ps35m-ox-move-manchester
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-news-rumours-13520990
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/manchester-city-set-complete-signing-30m-defender/
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Man City are trying to sign Espanyol defender Aaron Martin, reports Sport.
City have tracked the Spaniard, 20, for several months and are in negotiations with Espanyol after tabling a €20m bid.
He's a left back. They let two go in Clichy and Kolorov, so they need to sign another one having bought Mendy in already.
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If that is the offer can't blame Evans for wanting to leave. Hopefully we get quite a bit of that cash upfront
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If that is :Dthe offer can't blame Evans for wanting to leave. Hopefully we get quite a bit of that cash upfront
If we do get £30m that would pay for the Spurs pairing and we'd have a net spend of.......zilch.
Just what the owners ordered.
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if man city want someone with experience that can be a genuine understudy for the here and now - then evans seems like their only option. the other options seem like ones for the future who they are unlikely to trust with the starting position. the press reports about 30m are pure speculation - i can't see the deal being anything other than "undisclosed" if it happens at all - which i think is fairly unlikely
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mmm
https://twitter.com/WBA/status/900997530674221056
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mmm
https://twitter.com/WBA/status/900997530674221056
No way should he play for Northern Ireland if he's not fit to play for us. Firstly, we can insist that he doesn't play, and secondly he may get injured and scupper transfer plans entirely. Of course if he's already a City player by then, it's absolutely fine!
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All it means is that the club know his injury is not actually that bad, under normal circumstances, he would probably play with the aid of an injection. Due to the Man City interest however, the club probably feel it would be in everyone's best interests for him not to play (Evans feeling he wants to send a message/not risk an injury, Albion not wanting to risk an injury or him playing poorly due to distraction).
International football is a different kettle og fish as Evans knows Macauley is out injured, so won't want to let his nation down. By the time of the Northern Ireland game, the window will have closed so injuries or headspace will no longer be an issue.
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Shame on you Johnny if your not injured
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I was underwhelmed a little when signed, but has been great for us. I would much rather we don't lose him, however 30 million?
If that comes we would have to take it. It is a huge profit on him, it would keep him happy and if a big club comes in for him it is because he has earned that chance.
You would hope that we would obviously spend the full transfer fee and I think we would win if we swapped out Evans for the two Spurs players.
Interesting 5 days ahead.
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Arsenal 3-0 down at Liverpool!! I'd suggest they'd need Jonny more!
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edit https://twitter.com/i/moments/901832599991148544
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Wasn't in the squad at all today. Think he's as good as gone
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4826748/West-Brom-want-Manchester-City-flop-Eliaquim-Mangala.html
Eliaquim Mangala in exchange on loan, interesting.
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Apparently Leicester have bid again for Evans...23 Mill rumour
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23 million is a lot to turn down...will we accept ..if it's a real bid ?
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23 million is a lot to turn down...will we accept ..if it's a real bid ?
I would think that it needs to be more if Sakho is the genuine replacement
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Yeah seen this on the BBC pages also. I think we will see a couple of more offers before Thursday's deadline. So expect it to get closer to the 30 million before we finally say goodbye to JE.
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£23m is getting close to a number that we have to think about selling surprised Leicester think they can hijack the deal with Man City still in the picture but I guess God loves a trier.
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Will go Man City for £30mill rising to £35 mill I reckon. Get sakho in for £25 mill and a left back. Weirdly heard we're having a look at cresswell, think he's second choice to the masuka??
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Rejected. Substantially below valuation club say.
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Basically he will play for n/Ireland soon yet is supposed to be injured all 3 games, this has lost us a player now for a number of weeks. I would give Man City til today to put up or shut up.
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After another bid from Leicester at this stage, so long after their first effort, I'd say Evans won't be here after the deadline. It appears as if there is encouragement that he is open to move.
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Good news for us that an auction has started we just need to get as much as we can now. If the cresswell rumour is true I would be delighted with that move
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Sky reporting bid of 21m by Leicester turned down.
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I see Leicester as a direct rival and as such JE would be a great acquisition for them. A lot of the pluses which MCFC can offer don't apply to Leicester, all in all I cannot see how allowing him to go to Leica is good for us or JE
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Good news for us that an auction has started we just need to get as much as we can now. If the cresswell rumour is true I would be delighted with that move
Cresswell? Haven't heard that one but yes please! Where did you hear that?
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I see Leicester as a direct rival and as such JE would be a great acquisition for them. A lot of the pluses which MCFC can offer don't apply to Leicester, all in all I cannot see how allowing him to go to Leica is good for us or JE
The only logic for Leicester bid is as a marker in case that Man City don't follow through with their interest. Equally I think we have started to think about what we might do with the money and frankly the money is really only going be here now next year at 30 with just one year left on a contract it won't be. Personally I wouldn't want to sell and still think it is City or nothing but the deal is starting to gain it's own momentum
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I would offer him a new contract, if he doesn't want to sign then we take the money.
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If we sell him to Man City, I will understand. If we sell him to Leicester, I won't be impressed. We should be able to compete with the latter in terms of wages and ambition and I wouldn't want to be significantly strengthening a rival in that way. £21m is a joke too, only £30m+ should get us to the table.
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Joke offer again from :Leicester and why, exactly, would he want to go there ?
City £ 25-30 m and monet spent on a quality replacement and, disappointing as it is to lose our best player, you can at least stomach it.
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I would offer him a new contract, if he doesn't want to sign then we take the money.
I thought I'd read somewhere that we had offered him a new contract
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If we sell him to Man City, I will understand. If we sell him to Leicester, I won't be impressed. We should be able to compete with the latter in terms of wages and ambition and I wouldn't want to be significantly strengthening a rival in that way. £21m is a joke too, only £30m+ should get us to the table.
We should be demanding atleast that.
especially when you consider how much city paid for a bang average player in stones just because of his nationality.
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We should be demanding atleast that.
especially when you consider how much city paid for a bang average player in stones just because of his nationality.
Surely we will only to sell to City (or someone else in Champions League) - Leicester simply get told no, end of. Don't sell to a team we will be rivalling in league positions.
£30m minimum and City can have him
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Surely we will only to sell to City (or someone else in Champions League) - Leicester simply get told no, end of. Don't sell to a team we will be rivalling in league positions.
£30m minimum and City can have him
If city offer 26m and Leicester offer 28m or 20m + Morgan
Which do you think THE CLUB will take?
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If city offer 26m and Leicester offer 28m or 20m + Morgan
Which do you think THE CLUB will take?
Id take the £26 to be fair. stuff Leic.
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Id take the £26 to be fair. stuff Leic.
Would you really?
The club is a business and any cutting our nose off can have massive repercussions.
Quite simply we will accept the highest offer(dependent on structure of repayments) and I don't blame them, so would I
I think there is still plenty to run on this, you may not like them, but Leicester have actually done us a favour by raising their head again
City, Leicester , Liverpool, Arsenal all sniffing increases the £
Would not be too surprised if others join, Barca could do worse?
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Id take the £26 to be fair. stuff Leic.
Will you sell me your car for £14? You sound like a very generous chap!
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He won't go to Leicester, he doesn't want to leave just for the sake of it, only because its Manchester City
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For a couple of Million there is no way that i would strengthen a team around us & believe me he would 100% do that for Leic in fact i wouldn't sell him unless it was to a top 6 club.
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Rumours on twitter Arsenal back in for Evans to replace Mustafi
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With Wimmer about gone and rumours tonight of Sakho going to Palace I'm starting to think Evans might have to stay with us after all , certainly if there's no more movement by Wednesday morning I think that will be that.
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With Wimmer about gone and rumours tonight of Sakho going to Palace I'm starting to think Evans might have to stay with us after all , certainly if there's no more movement by Wednesday morning I think that will be that.
maybe Kone, Gibson, Rannochia,or Vermaelen are possible targets if Evans leaves.
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Many press reports say Mangala could come in on loan if Evans goes.
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West Ham encouraged to enter the race now, hang on here as he said he wants to leave West Brom
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West Ham encouraged to enter the race now, hang on here as he said he wants to leave West Brom
Not to my knowledge, but we clearly are open to selling him if the price is right.
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Not to my knowledge, but we clearly are open to selling him if the price is right.
I honestly think he would only want to go to Man City. We have offered him nearly 100k per week how much more would west Ham offer him? I think if they are the only choice he would stay. But what do I know?
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I honestly think he would only want to go to Man City. We have offered him nearly 100k per week how much more would west Ham offer him? I think if they are the only choice he would stay. But what do I know?
I agree with you. The West Ham interest smacks of desperation by a manager on his way out.
I get the distinct impression that Jonny is a family man and would only be interested in Man City for obvious reasons.
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Also West Ham are a sinking ship. Man City are challenging for the title. I know where I'd want to go
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/29/arsenal-join-race-sign-jonny-evans-west-brom-ahead-transfer/
Arsenal linked again now. Seems like he'll be going just a case of where, though maybe running out of time to get a replacement will scupper a deal. At the very least it seems we can get something of a price war.
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Arsenal interest? His style of play is a perfect fit for them, and he would go straight into the first team.
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Also West Ham are a sinking ship. Man City are challenging for the title. I know where I'd want to go
If I was a player and west ham came sniffing, i would want a relegation clause in the contract for definite, really couldn't see JE going there, they are a club with real issues IMO.
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Arsenal would be the ideal place for him as far as playing regular but not everybody wants to live down south. i would be concerned if we sold him to Leicester
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There is a suggestion that Man City may back off Evans to allow Arsenal to buy him, to grease the wheels of a deal for Sanchez. What about swapping Evans for Gibbs and Walcott crazy long shot but i would love that.
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There is a suggestion that Man City may back off Evans to allow Arsenal to buy him, to grease the wheels of a deal for Sanchez. What about swapping Evans for Gibbs and Walcott crazy long shot but i would love that.
Walcott? Dream on and in reference to "swap deals" they dont happen anymore.
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Walcott? Dream on and in reference to "swap deals" they dont happen anymore.
Well OK but when you are buying and selling with the same club it must have some influence on the deals involved. Maybe there is another forward who might be more realistic than Walcott from them alongside Gibbs.
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I would go for Giroud,(who I really rate) but I imagine he ain't swapping Laandan for B71 any time soon especially for a paycut!
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I would go for Giroud,(who I really rate) but I imagine he ain't swapping Laandan for B71 any time soon especially for a paycut!
I guess before I over reach too much I would just be very happy with Gibbs.
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I guess before I over reach too much I would just be very happy with Gibbs.
I would like Gibbs if he could be kept fit, but suspect TP isn't wasn't a fan
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I would go for Giroud,(who I really rate) but I imagine he ain't swapping Laandan for B71 any time soon especially for a paycut!
good player gooners could pay his wages in any deal :D
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If we sign Gibbs I'd imagine us giving Arsenal first option on Evans at our asking price.
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If we sign Gibbs I'd imagine us giving Arsenal first option on Evans at our asking price.
What would happen if Man C met that price as well....suspect Evans would want Man C on the location front ....not to mention trophy winning possibility.
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John Williams calls Craig Shakespeare at Leicester "As a former Baggie can you bid for Evans so that we can create a bidding war :) If you do we will throw is chadli for 20..."
Arsenal and City fighting it out for Evans is the best outcome for us if he has to leave.
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What would happen if Man C met that price as well....suspect Evans would want Man C on the location front ....not to mention trophy winning possibility.
First team football at Arsenal might be a factor. If City bid that price then it's free game but Arsenal will no doubt be told a valuation and try and wrap things up sharpish. Could even be a gentlemans agreement between Arsenal and Man City not to pursue him as part of Sanchez deal... permutations are many.
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Why would JE swap west brom for a club in a relegation dog fight
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will he start for Northern Ireland hummmm
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Gerry Francis doing a very good salesman pitch on sky sports news. I'm guessing we're already spending the money.
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Article in the Times this afternoon states Evans move to Man City is in the balance as Pulis is struggling to find a replacement and won't sell him without one. States Wimmer was the target but choose Stoke instead after learning that Pulis wanted him to play left back occasionally. Goes on to say that Pulis wants Mangala but the player wants a loan move to Inter Milan. Leaves us struggling to find anyone suitable to replace Evans with:
Wimmer - gone to Stoke
Mangala - wants to push through a move to Milan on loan
Sakho - wants to join Palace (who appear to have the cash as Townsend looks like he's off to Leicester)
Gibson - Boro refused to sell all summer
Wouldn't surprise me if Evans stayed.
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Article in the Times this afternoon states Evans move to Man City is in the balance as Pulis is struggling to find a replacement and won't sell him without one. States Wimmer was the target but choose Stoke instead after learning that Pulis wanted him to play left back occasionally. Goes on to say that Pulis wants Mangala but the player wants a loan move to Inter Milan. Leaves us struggling to find anyone suitable to replace Evans with:
Wimmer - gone to Stoke
Mangala - wants to push through a move to Milan on loan
Sakho - wants to join Palace (who appear to have the cash as Townsend looks like he's off to Leicester)
Gibson - Boro refused to sell all summer
Wouldn't surprise me if Evans stayed.
Probably the best outcome for us providing he's committed. If his programme notes were true then he did seem it say that he was happy to stay here.
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Given that we have GMac, Dawson and Hegazi for those positions, and LB and RB are now sorted, do you not think that if the stupid money is put on the table we could afford to sell him and get through to Januarys window? We have 7 points out of 9 and JE has not been in the team. With Kieran taking the LB slot that has taken the pressure off a little. The alternative is that we don't sell, Man City and Arsenal get alternatives, and we eventually let him go for half the price.........
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As much as i want him to stay, i would be a little bit gutted for him if the move fell through. He deserves to play in european competitions again he's been the best defender playing for the albion in my lifetime hands down (26) though i will allways love moore, clement and balls.
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LB and RB are now sorted
I actually would love us to sign a right back and have Nyom as cover. I'd then consider Dawson as one of 4 centre backs who could of course play at right back as/if required.
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Given that we have GMac, Dawson and Hegazi for those positions, and LB and RB are now sorted, do you not think that if the stupid money is put on the table we could afford to sell him and get through to Januarys window? We have 7 points out of 9 and JE has not been in the team. With Kieran taking the LB slot that has taken the pressure off a little. The alternative is that we don't sell, Man City and Arsenal get alternatives, and we eventually let him go for half the price.........
Added to this, Barry, Livermore (& I think even Krychowiak) could even cover the centre back role?
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Who ever wants his signature better hurry up he's is due to jet off to San Marino this morning with Northern Ireland
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/pep-guardiola-take-spending-defence-11083853
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Accepted a 28m bid according to telegraph Twitter
Medical tmrw am
Gives us time to get one in as it seems inevitable :'(
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Accepted a 28m bid according to telegraph Twitter
Medical tmrw am
Gives us time to get one in as it seems inevitable :'(
Fake account
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Accepted a 28m bid according to telegraph Twitter
Medical tmrw am
Gives us time to get one in as it seems inevitable :'(
This is fake news. Very sad!
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Alan Nixon just tweeted late major step forward in the deal
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I think there's a very good chance he will ultimately go, though I imagine only with a replacement in place. How bad that is for us depends on how good a replacement we could get. In order of preference, Sakho, Gibson, and Mangala would all be varying degrees of acceptable I think.
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Rejected £25m from arsenal and Leicester, expecting city to offer us £30m and send Mangala our way if he agrees
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Jonny Evans will be joining Manchester City. I'm told a fee has been agreed medical expected tonight. #MCFC #WBAFC
Just had a look through previous tweets and tends to be pretty much bang on.
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I just asked Alan Nixon and he thinks it is going to happen. He is pretty reliable on Northern football so looks like he's going. Maybe Gerry Francis was right...
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Big loss , just hope we have someone primed up :'(
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As I said, deal needed to be done early and unfortunately looks like it has. May get mangala on loan and Gibson in though which imo is an upgrade
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All depends on the replacement for me, needs to be permanent (or loan to permanent) and a good age (under 30). Obviously they need to be a quality centre back first and foremost.
Sakho would be the dream, but looks like he wants to go Palace.
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Can't blame Evans for leaving, if he does.
Has remained professional throughout all this, earned his move to Man City. Such him all the best if he goes.
Just hope we are down the line with getting a replacement in.
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Fair enough a decent replacement now needed, i hope we don't get left short.
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Cannot see club letting Evans leave unless replacement is lined up.
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Cannot see club letting Evans leave unless replacement is lined up.
We needed a captain on the field who can shout directions.
We have one in Barry. He can read a game quite well, and tell what he wants doing.
Sad to see Jonny go, though...Such a good player and gentleman.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JPercyTelgraph?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.givemesport.com%2F1135653-west-brom-have-accepted-a-bid-for-jonny-evans
If this is genuine then suggests Jonny to LCFC & GMac to the Vile as well?
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Can't blame Evans for leaving, if he does.
Has remained professional throughout all this, earned his move to Man City. Such him all the best if he goes.
Just hope we are down the line with getting a replacement in.
Hes off to Leicester apparently not Man City
http://www.givemesport.com/1135653-west-brom-have-accepted-a-bid-for-jonny-evans?autoplay=on
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JPercyTelgraph?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.givemesport.com%2F1135653-west-brom-have-accepted-a-bid-for-jonny-evans
If this is genuine then suggests Jonny to LCFC & GMac to the Vile as well?
I got done by that. It's a fake John Percy account
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JPercyTelgraph?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.givemesport.com%2F1135653-west-brom-have-accepted-a-bid-for-jonny-evans
If this is genuine then suggests Jonny to LCFC & GMac to the Vile as well?
That is a fake account
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Thanks guys :'(
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disappointed if he goes to Leicester, looks like we are assembling a good team so what can they offer that we havnt?
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Yes fake account for sure. No update on Percy official twitter
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Out of interest how do you know it's an 'official' account?
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Out of interest how do you know it's an 'official' account?
John Percy has a blue tick to indicate its a verified account.
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I'll check that out, thanks Liam.
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Fake account
The E is missing from telegraph :P
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Yes its fake there is an E missing from Telegraph
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Fake account
The E is missing from telegraph :P
Snap :D
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I have been told this guy is reliable though :-\
Dave Jenkins†@DaveJenkins56 45m45 minutes ago
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Jonny Evans will be joining Manchester City. I'm told a fee has been agreed medical expected tonight. #MCFC #WBAFC
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I have been told this guy is reliable though :-\
Dave Jenkins†@DaveJenkins56 45m45 minutes ago
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Jonny Evans will be joining Manchester City. I'm told a fee has been agreed medical expected tonight. #MCFC #WBAFC
We might be in for a busy day tomorrow then
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Based on this article, the issue is Mangala's reluctance to move to West Brom, the possibility of them signing Sanchez and Man City's wage bill.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/30/arsenal-leicester-city-fail-25m-jonny-evans-bids-manchester/
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I have been told this guy is reliable though :-\
Dave Jenkins†@DaveJenkins56 45m45 minutes ago
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Jonny Evans will be joining Manchester City. I'm told a fee has been agreed medical expected tonight. #MCFC #WBAFC
That guys a chancer reporting what he reads elsewhere.
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I think deep down we all knew he was gone the moment City came calling. Not overly disappointed as we are building a great squad without going into the red.
I hope we sign at least one more player which we won't if he stays.
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Personally I'll be hoping John Williams has his phone switched off tomorrow.
If it means no more in-comings but we keep both Evans and Chadli then I'll be happy with that.
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Worst case scenario £30m + Mangala season long loan.
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Do we want a player in exchange who doesn't want the move, NOPE
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Personally I'll be hoping John Williams has his phone switched off tomorrow.
If it means no more in-comings but we keep both Evans and Chadli then I'll be happy with that.
Agreed............hopefully all done for ins and outs and we are ready to go with that squad.
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It will be tonight if it happens as he's joining the N Ireland squad tomorrow. So the tweet probably has some substance to it.
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It will be tonight if it happens as he's joining the N Ireland squad tomorrow. So the tweet probably has some substance to it.
Medicals can take place anywhere while agents do the negotiating. It will happen tomorrow IMO
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isn't he in Manchester with the Irish squad? dont think footballs that transparent that a medical hasn't already been done just waiting for the clubs to agree the transfer fee and terms. I've almost accepted he's left and really interested in who we replace him with.
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isn't he in Manchester with the Irish squad? dont think footballs that transparent that a medical hasn't already been done just waiting for the clubs to agree the transfer fee and terms. I've almost accepted he's left and really interested in who we replace him with.
Looks like Man City have lined up Mangala for us, but the player is apparently unsure whether he wants to come.
How good is Mangala anyway?
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Mangala a no for me. Get the 30 mill if evans wants to leave and try for Sakho, Smalling, Ben Gibson in that order.
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Mangala a no for me. Get the 30 mill if evans wants to leave and try for Sakho, Smalling, Ben Gibson in that order.
I'm with this person
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Darren Lewis from the Mirror on talksport says he's 98% sure Evans will sign for City.
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Looks like Man City have lined up Mangala for us, but the player is apparently unsure whether he wants to come.
How good is Mangala anyway?
City want to swap Jonny Evans for Mangala. You think we're getting the better end of that deal? That's how good he is
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We don't have to swap like for like?
Sell Evans 28m , we get Delph on a years loan.
We then use the cash to buy a young CB that we can bring through(like Dawson)
We have
Hegazi
Dawson
Gmac
Nyom can play there too
That is more than enough until Jan?
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We don't have to swap like for like?
Sell Evans 28m , we get Delph on a years loan.
We then use the cash to buy a young CB that we can bring through(like Dawson)
We have
Hegazi
Dawson
Gmac
Nyom can play there too
That is more than enough until Jan?
I disagree on your second point. GMac is getting no younger as we know and do we know if Hegazy will last a season form and injury wise?
I think if he goes we need a ready made replacement or close enough
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We don't have to swap like for like?
Sell Evans 28m , we get Delph on a years loan.
We then use the cash to buy a young CB that we can bring through(like Dawson)
We have
Hegazi
Dawson
Gmac
Nyom can play there too
That is more than enough until Jan?
delph wants to fight for his city future,why hes turned down stoke,also theres the villa connection that wont see it happen
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delph wants to fight for his city future,why hes turned down stoke,also theres the villa connection that wont see it happen
To coin a phrase he 5hit on the villa, the same villa Barry was at BTW.
We also have Livermore who can play cb
Barry who can play cb
I think we are ok
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To coin a phrase he 5hit on the villa, the same villa Barry was at BTW.
We also have Livermore who can play cb
Barry who can play cb
I think we are ok
yup but barry more or less indicated he would have gone back to the vile if they were still in the prem so he exonorated himself from that difficult choice
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yup but barry more or less indicated he would have gone back to the vile if they were still in the prem so he exonorated himself from that difficult choice
Yup and Delph can't go back after how he left, so there is no block to coming here.
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This seems simple. We won't sell Evans without a direct replacement. City have been trying to unload Mangala all summer and can't,which might tell it's own story. Unless something moves on that front either the player decides to join us in a swap deal or a third party comes in for him at the 11th hour then Evans won't be joining City.
If Evans leaves and we can replace with Sakho or maybe Gibson that is probably at the worst an okay outcome. Swapping him for a reluctant Managla whose form, fitness and desire might be questionable could turn out to be quite a bad outcome.
For what it's worth I don't think Mangala is a terrible player but he's not worth what City paid for him I think in a deep sitting defence he'd probably be fine but given that he has had his arm twisted to move to the Albion it is just not a particularly auspicious start to a career at the Hawthorns.
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This seems simple. We won't sell Evans without a direct replacement. City have been trying to unload Mangala all summer and can't,which might tell it's own story. Unless something moves on that front either the player decides to join us in a swap deal or a third party comes in for him at the 11th hour then Evans won't be joining City.
If Evans leaves and we can replace with Sakho or maybe Gibson that is probably at the worst an okay outcome. Swapping him for a reluctant Managla whose form, fitness and desire might be questionable could turn out to be quite a bad outcome.
For what it's worth I don't think Mangala is a terrible player but he's not worth what City paid for him I think in a deep sitting defence he'd probably be fine but given that he has had his arm twisted to move to the Albion it is just not a particularly auspicious start to a career at the Hawthorns.
Have just read that Palace have bid £23m for Mangala. Looks like they can't afford the £30m demanded by Liverpool for Sakho. I think what happens with VVD today is going to hold the key to everything re the CB merry-go-round re VVD/Sakho/Evans/Mangala/Gibson
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Few reports Arsenal leading race now
Palace in for mangala at city
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This seems simple. We won't sell Evans without a direct replacement. City have been trying to unload Mangala all summer and can't,which might tell it's own story. Unless something moves on that front either the player decides to join us in a swap deal or a third party comes in for him at the 11th hour then Evans won't be joining City.
If Evans leaves and we can replace with Sakho or maybe Gibson that is probably at the worst an okay outcome. Swapping him for a reluctant Managla whose form, fitness and desire might be questionable could turn out to be quite a bad outcome.
For what it's worth I don't think Mangala is a terrible player but he's not worth what City paid for him I think in a deep sitting defence he'd probably be fine but given that he has had his arm twisted to move to the Albion it is just not a particularly auspicious start to a career at the Hawthorns.
Personally I think we can let him go without a replacement if the money is right. He hasn't featured so far and we are not doing too bad, so we can afford to bank the cash for the next window and not join the last minute over inflated game of musical chairs that will occur today.
However, given the events over the past couple of days, I am sure that it is all under control..... ;)
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Have just read that Palace have bid £23m for Mangala. Looks like they can't afford the £30m demanded by Liverpool for Sakho. I think what happens with VVD today is going to hold the key to everything re the CB merry-go-round re VVD/Sakho/Evans/Mangala/Gibson
Anyone of these VVD/Sakho/Evans/Mangala/Gibsonwould be fine by me.
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Few reports Arsenal leading race now
Palace in for mangala at city
Apparently Mangala doesn't fancy Palace according to Talk Sport reporter at the Manchester training ground.
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BBC sport saying we rejected the chance to take Mustafi on loan from arsenal with Evans going the other way
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BBC sport saying we rejected the chance to take Mustafi on loan from arsenal with Evans going the other way
Good, we don't want someone else's leavings, we have been diligently getting in specific individuals so far. Cash only.
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I wonder if Sanchez leaving (on top of Oxlade-chamberlain) will make arsenal stump up with the cash for Evans.
If we're not taking Mustafi off them, we then have to find another CB for the deal to take place
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Good, we don't want someone else's leavings, we have been diligently getting in specific individuals so far. Cash only.
You do realise Burke, Barry, Rodriguez, Krychowiak, and Gibbs were all someone else's leavings right? None of them were first choice in their respective teams.
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Evans at the airport ready to fly out to San Marino with the rest of the Northern Ireland squad, maybe he will stay after all
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Evans at the airport ready to fly out to San Marino with the rest of the Northern Ireland squad, maybe he will stay after all
Possibly already done and waiting for the other pieces to fall into place. I heard on the radio this morning that Man City have flown a medical team out to South America for Sanchez as he is due to play tonight at 11.30pm......
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Evans at the airport ready to fly out to San Marino with the rest of the Northern Ireland squad, maybe he will stay after all
Not necessarily.
Oxlaid-Chamberlain has his medical at the England HQ.
I would imagine Evans could have his medical in San Marino if necessary
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You do realise Burke, Barry, Rodriguez, Krychowiak, and Gibbs were all someone else's leavings right? None of them were first choice in their respective teams.
True, but they were our choice - Not someone we offered and didn't want.
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I am beginning to think that it may not happen, especially as the club seem to be saying he can only leave if we find a suitable replacement. Mangala doesn't seem to want to play ball with a move to us and I think Man City need to shift him off their wage bill. Equally Sakho doesn't seem to want to move to sunny West Brom either, so not sure where the suitable replacement might come from.
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Keeping Evans will be a great bit of business.
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Possibly already done and waiting for the other pieces to fall into place. I heard on the radio this morning that Man City have flown a medical team out to South America for Sanchez as he is due to play tonight at 11.30pm......
Northern Ireland were training at Manchester City this week.
Not beyond the realms of possibility that his medical etc could have been done then.
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Northern Ireland were training at Manchester City this week.
Not beyond the realms of possibility that his medical etc could have been done then.
Without a deal being done, wouldn't that be a illegal approach?
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Without a deal being done, wouldn't that be a illegal approach?
Not if the Albion were in agreement for the medical to take place with a view for things moving quickly if need be.
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That theory sounds very much like a game of kerplunk ;D ;D ;D
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That theory sounds very much like a game of kerplunk ;D ;D ;D
;D........ in all seriousness though I'd imagine this kind of thing happens all the time.
When there's a prospect of a deal going very close to the wire it makes sense to get as much done in advance as possible.
Personally think it would have been very remiss of both City and Albion to have not used the opportunity when he was on their door step.
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;D........ in all seriousness though I'd imagine this kind of thing happens all the time.
When there's a prospect of a deal going very close to the wire it makes sense to get as much done in advance as possible.
Personally think it would have been very remiss of both City and Albion to have not used the opportunity when he was on their door step.
I must say when i found out thats where he was training, i was very much convinced he was gone. I'm guessing they must have a valuation/budget and the 30 mil is too much.
Im happy he's staying and johnny being the consummate professional, i dont think toys will come out the pram.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him go in jan or next summer for mega bucks. Read a few interviews he's really kept himself in good nick despite the injuries and will play well into his mid 30s. He's not blessed with pace so it won't affect him as much.
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You do realise Burke, Barry, Rodriguez, Krychowiak, and Gibbs were all someone else's leavings right? None of them were first choice in their respective teams.
Yes, but we chose to go for them as opposed to being offered as part exchange.
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Yes, but we chose to go for them as opposed to being offered as part exchange.
90% we were offered big rom and he's the best player I've seen turn out for us....
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https://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2017/8/31/16233296/marc-wilson-jonny-evans-transfer-rumours-news-updates-west-bromwich-albion-manchester-city
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I wouldn't be surprised if we did end up signing Wilson (again), but certainly not as a replacement for Evans. Pulis clearly viewed him as a full back option.
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https://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2017/8/31/16233296/marc-wilson-jonny-evans-transfer-rumours-news-updates-west-bromwich-albion-manchester-city
that a fkn joke right
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that a fkn joke right
I hope so. I can just about stomach Wilson in the squad but not as evans's replacement. I wouldn't sell Evans now regardless of how Much anyone offers
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https://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2017/8/31/16233296/marc-wilson-jonny-evans-transfer-rumours-news-updates-west-bromwich-albion-manchester-city
I think that would be a terrible way to end what's been a good window and leave a real bad taste in supports mouths
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that a fkn joke right
That's how much they know about football. They are really clutching at straws if they think that Wilson will be Evans replacement.
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Why are you lot listening to a fansite thats got nothing to do with us rehashing stuff from earlier in the summer grasping at straws with no credible link ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D behave guys, engage brain
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That's how much they know about football. They are really clutching at straws if they think that Wilson will be Evans replacement.
My thoughts exactly!
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It was said with tongue firmly stuck in cheek I believe it's called irony
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Sakho is lined up if this goes through. Still think it's doubtful as mangala doesn't want to go palace.
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Sakho is lined up if this goes through. Still think it's doubtful as mangala doesn't want to go palace.
Two players that don't want to go to the respective bidding clubs.hope it stays that way
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Sakho is going to Palace. Think it's fair to say Jonny is staying
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Sakho to palace, Evans definitely staying!
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Brilliant if Evans stays though
I still think Mangala could be part of any deal though perhaps Palace went back for Sakho because we've agreed a deal inc. Mangala
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Posted at 19:10
Evans staying?
West Bromwich Albion
I'm told that Jonny Evans is training with Northern Ireland as we speak, so it looks very much like he is staying with West Brom.
From BBC
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Be fantastic if he stayed
Just gotta hope he don't kick up a fuss for January
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Wouldn't be surprised if Evans doesn't sign the contract whats on the table tomorrow 4yr deal on 100k a week . If the deal isn't done tonight he will be 30 at the next window . Can't see any one of the top 4 making another big offer for him.
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Brilliant if Evans stays though
I still think Mangala could be part of any deal though perhaps Palace went back for Sakho because we've agreed a deal inc. Mangala
Exactly - my thoughts - I read somewhere that TP fancies Mangala ( he obviously did not take to Guardiola's high line - I believe he was a revelation at Porto)
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a defensive spine of Foster, Dawson, Evans, Barry and the polish lad, with Yacob and Hegazi on the bench looks really strong. Evans staying is a real boost.
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a defensive spine of Foster, Dawson, Evans, Barry and the polish lad, with Yacob and Hegazi on the bench looks really strong. Evans staying is a real boost.
I think Evans staying is the key to calling it a great window.........
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Wouldn't be surprised if Evans doesn't sign the contract whats on the table tomorrow 4yr deal on 100k a week . If the deal isn't done tonight he will be 30 at the next window . Can't see any one of the top 4 making another big offer for him.
Been giving that some thought since yesterday.surely if he stays and signs a new contract he would have to eclipse gregorsh,'s £115G a week being the captain?
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Isn't he already contracted until the end of the 2019 season?
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Isn't he already contracted until the end of the 2019 season?
Well yeah but new contract would be for a pay rise to keep him sweet
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Well yeah but new contract would be for a pay rise to keep him sweet
Why would we need to do that? He's already contracted until 2019 and has made no mention of being unhappy here
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Why would we need to do that? He's already contracted until 2019 and has made no mention of being unhappy here
I would offer him a 4 year deal, top earner on 100k per week. Club captain and buy out clause of £35 million
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Why would we need to do that? He's already contracted until 2019 and has made no mention of being unhappy here
A player being on more dosh when he's captain ain't good for his ego?
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A player being on more dosh when he's captain ain't good for his ego?
Do we know that's true?
He shouldn't have signed a deal until 2019 then really should he if he was worried about players being on more money than him.
Really don't see how someone reportedly making a bid automatically means we need to re offer a contract
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A player being on more dosh when he's captain ain't good for his ego?
Are captains the highest paid at every club?
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Do we know that's true?
He shouldn't have signed a deal until 2019 then really should he if he was worried about players being on more money than him.
Really don't see how someone reportedly making a bid automatically means we need to re offer a contract
Not by any means am I having a dig at JE but today's footballers all seem to like to have their ego's massaged in some way
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He also hasn't played throughout all this with a supposed injury but is fine to play for NI. Not sure we should be rewarding behaviour such as this with massively improved contracts, especially when he's the captain as well
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Do we know that's true?
He shouldn't have signed a deal until 2019 then really should he if he was worried about players being on more money than him.
Really don't see how someone reportedly making a bid automatically means we need to re offer a contract
Well it doesn't in every instance but in this instance when it's your best player and captain I'd say it's justified
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He also hasn't played throughout all this with a supposed injury but is fine to play for NI. Not sure we should be rewarding behaviour such as this with massively improved contracts, especially when he's the captain as well
He was injured. Now he's fit. Fact.
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He was injured. Now he's fit. Fact.
Fact? Can you show me that then?
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Anyway it's getting off topic. The initial point is we shouldn't be forced into making a massively improved contract offer just because there's been a bit of speculation in the transfer window
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Fact? Can you show me that then?
No. But that doesn't change anything.
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No. But that doesn't change anything.
Well it does.. You said it was a fact :-\
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Well it does.. You said it was a fact :-\
It is
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It is
Wow. :-\
Anyway back on topic. I expect him to start the next game after his miraculous recovery from his injury. And I think that'll be the last interest we'll see in him now
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Wow. :-\
Anyway back on topic. I expect him to start the next game after his miraculous recovery from his injury. And I think that'll be the last interest we'll see in him now
Who's man city's next game with? Only jesting
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He was injured. Now he's fit. Fact.
He really wasn't
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Wimmer deal is done, fact. ;)
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Wimmer deal is done, fact. ;)
I just passed on what I was told. Is what it is. ::)
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Wow. :-\
Anyway back on topic. I expect him to start the next game after his miraculous recovery from his injury. And I think that'll be the last interest we'll see in him now
Maybe he was injured and he's back in time for NI game? And therefore our next game? Seems the most likely option.
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I just passed on what I was told. Is what it is. ::)
Only kidding, these things happen.
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Telegraph reporting Evans not going anywhere this window :D
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Man City end interest in Jonny Evans😊😊😊
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No. But that doesn't change anything.
TBH, even if he was fit, his head would have been all over the place, TP was right not to pick him.
If he does stay, I expect him to knuckle down & get on with it.
His International Manager hasn't exactly improved the situation either.
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Sky say Man City end interest in Evans
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Now get Evans signed up on a new contract to keep him sweet for at least 2-3 years
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Not happening with Citeeh apparently
https://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2017/8/31/16235882/manchester-city-completely-rule-out-jonny-evans-signing-west-bromwich-deadline-day
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Now get Evans signed up on a new contract to keep him sweet for at least 2-3 years
Would be nice or we go through this all again in January
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Best thing I've seen on Sky since Game of Thrones.
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everyone pile on JE to score in the cup against city..... its in the stars
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a new contract wont stop it happening again.
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a new contract wont stop it happening again.
. No but his age will he'll be 30 next window . Big money transfer Don't think so !
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Best thing I've seen on Sky since Game of Thrones.
. Will be the best signing of the window .and before all you doubters start questioning his attitude . I don't think he'd have printed his commitment in the programme if he was going to rock the boat .
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. Will be the best signing of the window .and before all you doubters start questioning his attitude . I don't think he'd have printed his commitment in the programme if he was going to rock the boat .
I don't think for a second anyone's even going to give that a thought,he is the complete opposite to odemwingie.a proffesional
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Evans is going nowhere, relax.
Does this mean I'm ITK?
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Fantastic window, good signings, many teams jealous of us.
Smashed it. Thanks Mr Lai, Mr Williams, Mr Hammond, Mr Garlick and Mr Pulis.
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Does this mean I'm ITK?
No it doesn't! What happened to Deeney? :D
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Does this mean I'm ITK?
Where's deeney then
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Still an hour and half to go :P
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Excellent news, I thought it was a deal that we would not be able to resist. Great to see us fending off the interest in Jonny.
A thoroughly good window!
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Been out most of the day
Whats the Irish Manager said about Evans
Getting slated on twitter ?
What's our net spend this window ?
And just seen Matt Wilson say we have 12 Players out on loan !!
Whats this mean for the U23/21 teams 16-18 year olds ?
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Been out most of the day
Whats the Irish Manager said about Evans
Getting slated on twitter ?
What's our net spend this window ?
And just seen Matt Wilson say we have 12 Players out on loan !!
Whats this mean for the U23/21 teams 16-18 year olds ?
yes what did he say and Merson saying evans would be most gutted, probably will. had a go for not giving him the opportunity
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http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonny-evans-stays-at-wba-as-club-pulls-out-of-transfer-after-medical-36090015.html (http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonny-evans-stays-at-wba-as-club-pulls-out-of-transfer-after-medical-36090015.html)
Stumbled on this - supposedly had a medical whilst N.Ire were training in Manchester before they flew out. Seems we got away with it purely because Mangala didn't go and so City couldn't pay the money.
Why have we even let him have a medical with no bid accepted? Intended to sell and knew he'd be abroad on deadline day? Or just bad journalism?
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Perhaps we wanted to know how bad his hamstring was...
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The headline makes it sound like the medical was a problem. In actual fact it's the fact mangala wouldn't leave that was the only stumbling block. I suppose at least Jonny knows it wasn't our or his fault just that Man City of all clubs couldn't afford to buy without offloading first. I guess it's city's fault for making it hard for mangala to walk away from such a lucrative contract.
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http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonny-evans-stays-at-wba-as-club-pulls-out-of-transfer-after-medical-36090015.html (http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonny-evans-stays-at-wba-as-club-pulls-out-of-transfer-after-medical-36090015.html)
Stumbled on this - supposedly had a medical whilst N.Ire were training in Manchester before they flew out. Seems we got away with it purely because Mangala didn't go and so City couldn't pay the money.
Why have we even let him have a medical with no bid accepted? Intended to sell and knew he'd be abroad on deadline day? Or just bad journalism?
Exactly that - we wanted Mangala to replace him allegedly ? Made perfect sense for Evans to have a medical just in case in the circumstances.
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http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonny-evans-stays-at-wba-as-club-pulls-out-of-transfer-after-medical-36090015.html (http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonny-evans-stays-at-wba-as-club-pulls-out-of-transfer-after-medical-36090015.html)
Stumbled on this - supposedly had a medical whilst N.Ire were training in Manchester before they flew out. Seems we got away with it purely because Mangala didn't go and so City couldn't pay the money.
Why have we even let him have a medical with no bid accepted? Intended to sell and knew he'd be abroad on deadline day? Or just bad journalism?
If we had a grown up discussion with him and it ended with
"Ok Johnny, if we get an offer which is above £Xm we will not stand in your way, and as a gesture of good will we can arrange a medical for you, but we cannot risk you re-activating the injury and jeopardising the move or your long term ability to perform for us if the move doesn't happen, so you are "officially injured@ - Ok?
It seems emminently sensible to me, for both parties, don't you think?
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We were probably happy to sell at £30 million provided we had back up and City may have agreed that price on the condition they sold first so it made sense to get the medical out of the way.
With some players that would be a problem after the move broke down but i can't see that with JE.
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If we had a grown up discussion with him and it ended with
"Ok Johnny, if we get an offer which is above £Xm we will not stand in your way, and as a gesture of good will we can arrange a medical for you, but we cannot risk you re-activating the injury and jeopardising the move or your long term ability to perform for us if the move doesn't happen, so you are "officially injured@ - Ok?
It seems emminently sensible to me, for both parties, don't you think?
Makes perfect sense to me Albionic
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Seems to be a level headed bloke which is unusual for a professional footballer in today's world, think club should get him tied down to longer contract.
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Seems to be a level headed bloke which is unusual for a professional footballer in today's world, think club should get him tied down to longer contract.
He's a top pro & i think the club have shown him how much he is valued here but will not stand in his way if a top 6 club comes a calling so i couldn't see any reason for him not to sign a better contract.
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He's a top pro & i think the club have shown him how much he is valued here but will not stand in his way if a top 6 club comes a calling so i couldn't see any reason for him not to sign a better contract.
except that we would ask a higher price for him if he's on a longer contract which could put clubs off.
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except that we would ask a higher price for him if he's on a longer contract which could put clubs off.
Your assuming we would increase our valuation of him were i think we wouldn't. Plus i'm pretty sure he would insist on a buyout clause any way.
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I'd say push his wages up a significant amount on an extended contract with a buyout clause of 30m, make it public, then he will be financially secure if injured so he won't be playing with half an eye on a move, even subconsciously, and if Citeh or anyone else want to come calling in Jan they can.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41135447
hes looking forward to his return.a real diamond of a player in todays game
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41135447
hes looking forward to his return.a real diamond of a player in todays game
and then the circus starts again in January
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and then the circus starts again in January
That's what happens when we have top notch players playing for us. I suppose we could go back to having rubbish players again. That would solve it don't you think? :o
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He's stated before he'd like to play in Spain and I can't blame him for wanting to play at the higher levels.
I would be very very surprised if he signed any extension, so he'll be gone at the end of his contract (2019?) if not before.
If we've got 30+ points by Jan, but are out of the running for anything better than 8th then i'd sell him and wish him the best.
We did well to keep him, but in this market 2 years of his playing isn't worth £25m+
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:) Citeh or Arsenal will grab him in January...hopefully we will have amassed 30+ points by then and be pretty comfortable.
I favour Arsenal...as I think they are in for a rough season.
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He wouldn't go to arsenal,only man city,I don't think he would uproot his family to go down south.
Anyway,I think he's happy with us and will stay.
If we've got 30 points by Christmas we'd be going for euro place full tilt.
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If we offer him and he signs a new contract then I think that is the end of the matter. If he doesn't it opens up the possibility of City returning in January and with his contract running down the money becomes more tempting.
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He wouldn't go to arsenal,only man city,I don't think he would uproot his family to go down south.
Anyway,I think he's happy with us and will stay.
If we've got 30 points by Christmas we'd be going for euro place full tilt.
IF we're at 30+ points after 18-20 games, then yes we should be aiming at Europe, but even in that instance I'd be truly shocked if anyone out of "the big six" + Everton finishes in the top 7.
Only solid chance at Europe is a cup and that in part is down to the luck of the draw.
If we're offered £25m in Jan, I'd take it as otherwise we're essentially paying £25m to have Evans for 18 months.
He's the standard we should aim at, I don't want him to leave, but when the annual turn over of the club is about £120m, turning down £25m when we could get a solid, younger player in for £10-15m is just daft
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By all accounts Evans was relieved when the the City move fell through, make of that what you will but i think we will see the best of Johnny Evans this season.
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Good Interview here after the match last night.
https://talksport.com/football/jonny-evans-tells-talksport-he-very-excited-play-west-brom-season-after-failed-manchester
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I guess he'll be fit for Saturday then! ;D
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I guess he'll be fit for Saturday then! ;D
Was there ever a doubt he wouldn't if he was still here.
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If were still in the hunt for a euro place at Christmas,why even consider selling Evans,surely you want our best players going for it,anyway I think he's happy here,top player,top man.
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Good Interview here after the match last night.
https://talksport.com/football/jonny-evans-tells-talksport-he-very-excited-play-west-brom-season-after-failed-manchester
he will be at legendary status by the end of the season :)
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You have to love Jonny Evans.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jonny-evans-message-delight-west-13583138http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jonny-evans-message-delight-west-13583138
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I will make a prediction now.In January we will be considering bids of £40 million for this guy
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If it's not related to transfers rumours, it shouldn't be in this thread
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Why would we want to sell him? For the money?
He is worth much more to us,a class act and a proud skipper.
Those who keep saying he will go in january answer us why you think that's a good idea please,its a ridiculous idea.
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I will make a prediction now.In January we will be considering bids of £40 million for this guy
We wouldn't even consider a bid like that, it wouldn't need considering.
We'd bite someone's hand off for it
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Maybe Evans really was injured after all.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/watch-injury-helped-me-stay-focused-during-manchester-city-transfer-speculation-says-jonny-evans-36109468.html
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Is the NI manager his agent too by the way as he's still gobbing off in the press telling everyone and his dog that all the top teams have missed out on a great player,ffs shut up
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Hey Bs,I totally agree with you,he seems to forget that he is our player,I'm surprised that Tone hasn't had a word with him.
Stick to your own job O' Neil if you don't mind.
We all know that you are trying to get a prem job while your going is good.
Wait till you lose a few,you'll be glad of your current job then eh?
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Fact? Can you show me that then?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/watch-injury-helped-me-stay-focused-during-manchester-city-transfer-speculation-says-jonny-evans-36109468.html
Sorry not sorry
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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/watch-injury-helped-me-stay-focused-during-manchester-city-transfer-speculation-says-jonny-evans-36109468.html
Sorry not sorry
Cheers, didn't see any fact around the original time of posting which is why I asked
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I repeat, if it's not a transfer rumour, it doesn't go in this thread. Asking if he will play is not a transfer rumour
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Just checked some stats. Since last season with Evans as a central defender we have kept 4 clean sheets in 26 games. With a different cb pairing weve kept since the start of last season 4 clean sheets in 11 games.
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Just checked some stats. Since last season with Evans as a central defender we have kept 4 clean sheets in 26 games. With a different cb pairing weve kept since the start of last season 4 clean sheets in 11 games.
Because when Evans is injured Pulis is forced to play fullbacks at fullback due to the lack of centre backs he can shoehorn into the team and mess up the defence. Football really is simpler game than Pulis makes out, play football players in the positions they have grown up playing and are comfortable in and you're halfway there.
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He's a good player. The best of the 4 of them today certainly.
Let's not try and find something that isn't there...
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Because when Evans is injured Pulis is forced to play fullbacks at fullback due to the lack of centre backs he can shoehorn into the team and mess up the defence. Football really is simpler game than Pulis makes out, play football players in the positions they have grown up playing and are comfortable in and you're halfway there.
The only difference is that Brunt is playing there and he isnt really a fullback but I do think thats his best position. I like Pulis overall but some of the decisions he makes are questionable. Nyom should only play as a right back or central defender. I dont think that Gibbs is good defensively so that would end up as another choice that will make us leak goals.
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Evans back in the team, 3 goals conceded. Where's that new 100k contract
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Do not be in any rush to offer a massive increase to Jonny , we did very nicely without him. TP screwed us up today, by changing the whole defence to accommodate him.
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Do not be in any rush to offer a massive increase to Jonny , we did very nicely without him. TP screwed us up today, by changing the whole defence to accommodate him.
And if Evans hadn't played and we still conceded 3 then Pulis would be crucified by some for not picking him !!
Bset defender at the club and he has to play, Pulis mistake was picking Hegazi alongside him instead of Dawson who he knows better.
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The statistics don't lie
Evans defends for himself
All fancy passing, and lots of defensive mistakes
#overrated
Yeah he's rubbish, can't believe Arsenal, City and Leicester wanted him. ::)
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Dawson is better at defending compared to Evans but we cant make them our cb pairing as we lack a tall dominant cb like Hegazi or McAuley. That would make us way too vulnerable on set pieces and crosses.
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The statistics don't lie
Evans defends for himself
All fancy passing, and lots of defensive mistakes
#overrated
Oh dear. Honestly I despair.
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The statistics don't lie
Evans defends for himself
All fancy passing, and lots of defensive mistakes
#overrated
Yep Foster, Nyom and Hegazi were outstanding today, can't believe Pulis kept him on as all 3 were Evans fault. I think thats what Micheal O'Neil said about Evans too after the world cup qualifiers "that Jonny Evans is a fancy dan who plays for himself".
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yes he didn't have a good game against Brighton but he's still far and away the best CB on the roster. The stat about only having 4 clean sheets in the last 26 is hardly an indictment on Evans, it's a very lazy stat. He should remain inked as a starter, any suggestion to the contrary is absurd as far as I'm concerned.
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Not the player he was. What is missing??
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Not the player he was. What is missing??
Gareth McAuley next to him.
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Gareth McAuley next to him.
McAuley and Evans have a solid partnership. McAuley and Jonas had a good partnership (before Jonas' decline) Yes GMac is starting to show signs of ageing (at last, sadly). But we shouldn't underestimate his contribution over the years. All that said Jonny Evans is quality and now he has 2 games under his belt he'll be getting back to normal IMO. I am worried about Hernandez / Antonio at the weekend though :-(
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If Evans is fit, he has to play for me. I will criticse TP for many mistakes that he made at the weekend, but bringing Evans back in is not one of them, shifting the rest of the defence around completely was not needed. Evans for Hegazi would have been an easy shift and keep the rest as it was, I doubt we would have conceded three.
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McAuley and Evans have a solid partnership. McAuley and Jonas had a good partnership (before Jonas' decline) Yes GMac is starting to show signs of ageing (at last, sadly). But we shouldn't underestimate his contribution over the years. All that said Jonny Evans is quality and now he has 2 games under his belt he'll be getting back to normal IMO. I am worried about Hernandez / Antonio at the weekend though :-(
GMac had a little wobble last season but got over it and was one of our most important players. Hegazi has and Dawson have started well but Evans is our best defender. It's a conundrum but a good one! I guess in theory we shouldn't have changed a defence that had conceded just 1 goal in 3 but i can see why he did it.
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Step overs and drag backs in the box when surrounded by backside players, :o ok he got away with it, but really .....
Despite my wish to be entertained, there is a time and place for row z and that was one,
Do the flashy stuff in their box in future please.
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Step overs and drag backs in the box when surrounded by backside players, :o ok he got away with it, but really .....
Despite my wish to be entertained, there is a time and place for row z and that was one,
Do the flashy stuff in their box in future please.
Look at what I can do Pep...
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5051417/Everton-enter-race-land-West-Brom-skipper-Jonny-Evans.html
According to the Mail Everton now targeting Evans. With his recent form and a question mark about whether he is really committed at the Albion I think the club should cash in.
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Not doing as well as he was for us. We have not had a clean sheet since his return, obviously not his direct fault for any of the goals but .......? Why not cash in? Buy a decent midfielder who can add a few goals and a bit more pace going forward than the ones we have. Oh and then play him in midfield not as an extra centre half
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Not doing as well as he was for us. We have not had a clean sheet since his return, obviously not his direct fault for any of the goals but .......? Why not cash in? Buy a decent midfielder who can add a few goals and a bit more pace going forward than the ones we have. Oh and then play him in midfield not as an extra centre half
He came with one of his close friends (fletcher) , his mate then ran at the first available opportunity, Man City came in (who wouldn't want to go there?) we said no, he then plays in a team that are being directed to just defend, so he's probably working 30% harder than he would at Man City, not taking in to account the opportunity to win something...I'm not sure I'd be focused and happy ?
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If City still want him let him go. Give him a chance to add to his success. he won't get anything with us.
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Ask yourself the question:
If you were Evans where you sooner be?
At a team that wants to play attractive free flowing football or in a team where your playing on the edge of your own area for 88mins a week?
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Ask yourself the question:
If you were Evans where you sooner be?
At a team that wants to play attractive free flowing football or in a team where your playing on the edge of your own area for 88mins a week?
I see your point but personally I think he would be sitting on city's bench for 88mins every week.
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I see your point but personally I think he would be sitting on city's bench for 88mins every week.
To me that would be a more attractive offer than playing for us.
At least he would see some decent football.
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To me that would be a more attractive offer than playing for us.
At least he would see some decent football.
touche ;D
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I see your point but personally I think he would be sitting on city's bench for 88mins every week.
wouldn't have to be running his knackers off for 90 plus every week though for more doe
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Liverpool would be a great fit for him. Don't see him at Everton he'll add to a backline that's hardly young.
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If he wants first team football then it's got to be Liverpool, Everton or Arsenal. He'll be a bench warmer for City.
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I really don't care where he goes as long as we get over £20million for him and get a replacement in ;D
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I really don't care where he goes as long as we get over £20million for him and get a replacement in ;D
What’s the point in selling if we’re just going to get a like for like replacement? We might as well just say he’s not for sale to save the hassle of a transfer!
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What’s the point in selling if we’re just going to get a like for like replacement? We might as well just say he’s not for sale to save the hassle of a transfer!
Because you buy the replacement for less money? See Hegazi, McAuley and Olsson for recent-ish cheap buys who have done well.
That then allows you to spend the rest of the money in other areas.
Alternatively you free up wages. Same thing
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What’s the point in selling if we’re just going to get a like for like replacement? We might as well just say he’s not for sale to save the hassle of a transfer!
because a new transfer might want to play for us?
Evans form has dropped this season, he is making silly errors but getting away with some of them at the moment.
It may be a coincidence but his drop in form has happened since he was not sold to a bigger team.
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because a new transfer might want to play for us?
Evans form has dropped this season, he is making silly errors but getting away with some of them at the moment.
It may be a coincidence but his drop in form has happened since he was not sold to a bigger team.
He was excellent against Palace. I wouldn't sell him unless a silly offer comes in, which I don't think will happen.
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He was excellent against Palace. I wouldn't sell him unless a silly offer comes in, which I don't think will happen.
he got caught dithering on the ball on a couple of occasions but managed to make it look like he got fouled and 'won' free kicks. Same thing has happened loads of times this season. Sooner or later refs won't buy the foul and the opposing player will be clean through on goal.
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If any sort of auction gets going on Evans then we could make serious money and free up some wages cash. Wouldn't mind a pairing of Hegazi (sign him immediately) and Dawson with Gmac as backup and a better wing back option on the right, with Nyom as backup. I do not see Evans getting much better than he is right now, whilst Dawson and Hegazi could both improve into a very good central pairing.
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he got caught dithering on the ball on a couple of occasions but managed to make it look like he got fouled and 'won' free kicks. Same thing has happened loads of times this season. Sooner or later refs won't buy the foul and the opposing player will be clean through on goal.
I am a big fan of Evans but on Saturday in the second half, in true pantomime style when he had the ball I found myself shouting 'behind you' rather loudly. Not sure he is as bad as some make out but I can see the merit of a big sale to free money up and find another 'Hegazi'
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If anyone offers what was offered in the summer i would cash in. i dont think his heart or head is with us
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Just heard a headline on the radio that said Pardew said today he's not confident of keeping hold of Evans due to interest from bigger clubs. Didn't hear it myself but being reported
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he got caught dithering on the ball on a couple of occasions but managed to make it look like he got fouled and 'won' free kicks. Same thing has happened loads of times this season. Sooner or later refs won't buy the foul and the opposing player will be clean through on goal.
He did, and was very lucky at least once. I would take the circa 30m from Arsenal if the rumours are true.
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From the Birmingham Mail
Alan Pardew admits West Bromwich Albion are in a “vulnerable†position as the club braces itself for more transfer speculation concerning captain Jonny Evans.
Leicester City and Manchester City both had bids rejected over the summer while Arsenal enquiried about the talented Northern Irishman.
It’s thought all three could renew their interest in the 29-year-old defender when the January transfer window opens.
But he knows the decision could be taken out of his hands if a club meets West Brom’s £35 million valuation.
“I’m never confident when you’ve got great players,†Pardew said. “Because other clubs want great players, so your best players are always vulnerable.
“Jonny Evans is certainly one of them, and he’s our captain.
“Do I want to lose him? Course not. Do I fear losing him? Course I do.â€
The Foxes’ second bid was understood to have amounted to £23 million with add-ons.
Manchester City stopped short at £18 million.
But Pep Guardiola might call on the Man City board to up the ante with John Stones facing a long spell on the sidelines and Vincent Kompany so injury-prone.
“There’s interest in him because there was in the summer and it makes sense to stir it up - it makes good headlines for the media,†Pardew added.
“I understand, we deal with it, Jonny’s dealt with it in his way.
“He was terrific for me, I can only go on his performance, I thought he was outstanding against Crystal Palace, and we go to Swansea.â€
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-pardew-makes-honest-admission-14007667
Nothing very specific other than potential bids are possible.
However we need to remember that City were way short of our valuation during the summer so there is nothing to suggest they are going to be willing to stump in in January
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We need to tell Jonny and the interested clubs, that any prospective deal gets done early in the window or not at all. Personally I believe that if he does not go this time, he will be very disappointed, and assuming that Dawson is fit we should revert to the Dawson, Hegazi pairing that started the season so well.
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Think he wants off by the sounds of it
If they pay us what he is worth then absolutely cash in and strengthen the team from that
Wouldnt let him go for any less than 30m though
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Jan window is terrible , poor value around.
I'd be telling him to stay until Summer , on form he's our best defender and you never know he might enjoy playing under Pardew.
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He's been very good since Pulis left, hopefully we can keep hold until summer.
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Cynical head on,
Could Pards have been told, new faces will only be able to come in if
a) wages are at top of FFP, so you need to get some out before you bring in
b) we spent a stack in summer, you can bring new faces in, but, only if you can get the cash through sales!
hence he is letting all and sundry know that JE is available at the right price, as he thinks JE at £30m is over valued.
I have to say when you look at Hegazi for 5m euro, it looks likely JE is over valued.
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Have to agree Evans is up for sale for the right price. At 25-30m for him, I'd take it all day, even in Jan so Pardew can bolster the forward line. That is only on the condition that we could
1) bring in a replacement
2) spend the money on a striker in January to help push us up the table
Two big ifs I know!
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He's back to his best of late, but from all these stories, rumours and comments, I think it's clear that he is going. Pardew and Hammond's comments seem resigned and the convenient timing of the Ben Mee story by John Percy - although, I don't know why he would move from Burnley to us, but hey ho.
If we can reinvest the money wisely, then it may not be a huge blow but I don't trust us to do that one bit.
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Cynical head on,
Could Pards have been told, new faces will only be able to come in if
a) wages are at top of FFP, so you need to get some out before you bring in
b) we spent a stack in summer, you can bring new faces in, but, only if you can get the cash through sales!
hence he is letting all and sundry know that JE is available at the right price, as he thinks JE at £30m is over valued.
I have to say when you look at Hegazi for 5m euro, it looks likely JE is over valued.
Not cynical, just realistic. I expect him to go for £20-25 mill in January.
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In all fairness everybody thought he'd go in the Summer and didn't , even Percy got that wrong.
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In all fairness everybody thought he'd go in the Summer and didn't , even Percy got that wrong.
Think we stopped him going to Man C basically as we didn't get the totally stupid money we would have needed to let him go. Given Stones' hamstring and Kompany's injury record they may well be reinforcing defence as winning either or both of premier league and Champions league strong possibilities.
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Evans is going nowhere and will sign a new contract.
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Cynical head on,
Could Pards have been told, new faces will only be able to come in if
a) wages are at top of FFP, so you need to get some out before you bring in
b) we spent a stack in summer, you can bring new faces in, but, only if you can get the cash through sales!
hence he is letting all and sundry know that JE is available at the right price, as he thinks JE at £30m is over valued.
I have to say when you look at Hegazi for 5m euro, it looks likely JE is over valued.
Have to say I've been thinking similar. Otherwise he'd have just said no he's not for sale we'll be keeping him.
Regarding January, it does look like Pardew likes to spend money during the window. At Newcastle and Palace he signed at least 4 first team players each January that he was there (including players like Papis Cisse and Sissoko that made instant impacts to be fair).
Will be less cash to throw around here though
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Cash isnt the issue , wages are by all accounts as we are on the limit for FFP.
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Cash isnt the issue , wages are by all accounts as we are on the limit for FFP.
We pay wages with cash
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We pay wages with cash
Pedantic much? Fees aren't the issue...
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Pedantic much? Fees aren't the issue...
Obviously. If you look back at all my posts on this subject I'm usually the first to say this.
Nowhere did I say fees would be the issue anyway. I said we wouldn't have as much cash in January as Newcastle and Palace liked to throw around.
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If Everton paid 45 million for a player I would expect to get at least 30 million for Evans, if we did get that, let him go.
But early in the window so we can buy ourselves,unless we gamble and we buy who we want first in the hope we sell
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We pay wages with cash
As in the club is on the limit of what it can spend FFP wise , just to clear that up for anybody else reading.
There maybe ways around it but lets say Evans is on 70k a week , that wage wise probably isn't enough for a good enough replacement plus another forward many hope for unless we ship another decent wage out .
We seem to be in a bit of a corner , unless he shows something soon I can see Greg leaving . I know its a year loan but we've moved loan players on elsewhere before.
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As in the club is on the limit of what it can spend FFP wise , just to clear that up for anybody else reading.
There maybe ways around it but lets say Evans is on 70k a week , that wage wise probably isn't enough for a good enough replacement plus another forward many hope for unless we ship another decent wage out .
We seem to be in a bit of a corner , unless he shows something soon I can see Greg leaving . I know its a year loan but we've moved loan players on elsewhere before.
I am surprised that we are right up to the limit on wages but I assume that is where we are so we will have to be creative to freshen up the squad.
Selling Evans only makes sense if we can get a replacement and reinforce another position. The regulations only restrict what we can spend on wages directly from the TV deal we are not restricted if the money comes from other sources be that increases in commercial revenue or critically profits from transfer trading.
Assume we get £25m for Evans that represents a profit of roughly £23.5m. I think Evans is on around £50k a week. We are not restricted on fees (which tells you how utterly bonkers the regulations are) so once we have freed up some wages we are good to go.
The link with Ben Mee makes sense in that Burnley are among the lowest payers in the League and it is unlikely that Mee is earning much more than £20k a week and the very obvious attraction of a doubling of his wages without us spending even what Evans currently earns.
We would then be able to use profit from the sale to pay wages.
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With all the interest especially Utd i would say he is gone in January, if we can put the money to good use it could go a long way to keeping us up.
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With all the interest especially Utd i would say he is gone in January, if we can put the money to good use it could go a long way to keeping us up.
As stated before elsewhere mate its not fees thats the problem but wages as we are on our FFP limit pretty much.
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Pardew told the E&S we have offered him £100k a week to stay
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Pretty limited even tenuous story just dropped on BBC Sport that he will leave in January.
All conjecture based. Must be a slow news day.
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Pretty limited even tenuous story just dropped on BBC Sport that he will leave in January.
All conjecture based. Must be a slow news day.
Yep. The first paragraph says he's set to leave, and then the next paragraph states he has 18 months left on his contract ???
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Pardew told the E&S we have offered him £100k a week to stay
If that’s the case, surely we have to start off loading.
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If he does not go in the January transfer window and we get relegated he will be gone!
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Reported on WM that he has refused a contract extension and said that he ha no wish to stay beyond the end of his current contract.
That's fair enough.
Lets sell him for the biggest offer that come in.
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If we have offered him £100k a week and he has turned it down then there is no other logical course of action other than sell him in January. Selling one of our best players when the club is engaged in a relegation battle isn't usually the smartest move however in this instance we should be able to get a replacement and reinforce elsewhere.
If we were prepared to offer Evans £100k a week which is roughly double what he is currently earning then we have to assume that we could do that within the FFP rules and any budget projection would have been made on the assumption that he would sign, that is still enough to pay the wages of two decent players.
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If we have offered him £100k a week and he has turned it down then there is no other logical course of action other than sell him in January. Selling one of our best players when the club is engaged in a relegation battle isn't usually the smartest move however in this instance we should be able to get a replacement and reinforce elsewhere.
If we were prepared to offer Evans £100k a week which is roughly double what he is currently earning then we have to assume that we could do that within the FFP rules and any budget projection would have been made on the assumption that he would sign, that is still enough to pay the wages of two decent players.
Its not double , nowhere near .
Until this season he was by miles our highest paid player put it that way . I accept it if he wants to go but its a huge gamble with the January market and our run of injuries this season. To be honest I 'd be keeping him until the Summer and given his reaction this Summer I think he'd be ok with it.
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Its not double , nowhere near .
Until this season he was by miles our highest paid player put it that way . I accept it if he wants to go but its a huge gamble with the January market and our run of injuries this season. To be honest I 'd be keeping him until the Summer and given his reaction this Summer I think he'd be ok with it.
Agree he's already on around 75k.
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Sorry if I have been misinformed but I remember it being reported that he was on £50k a week when he signed which at the time was the same as Fletcher. He hasn't signed a new contract since so that is why I don't think it is £75k. Obviously the maths doesn't work if he is on £75k a week but I'm not sure he will be okay with it, the offers seem to keep coming but as ever players fret that they might not be there in the next window and this is Evans last shot at the big time.
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Sorry if I have been misinformed but I remember it being reported that he was on £50k a week when he signed which at the time was the same as Fletcher. He hasn't signed a new contract since so that is why I don't think it is £75k. Obviously the maths doesn't work if he is on £75k a week but I'm not sure he will be okay with it, the offers seem to keep coming but as ever players fret that they might not be there in the next window and this is Evans last shot at the big time.
Its not his last big shot , 4 months won't make much difference. By the way Fletcher was on much more than 50k too.As Jacko confirmed Evans is in the 70k bracket
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We could sell him and one or two fringe players enabling us to bring in 2 or 3 players.
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We could sell him and one or two fringe players enabling us to bring in 2 or 3 players.
Sell:
Evans, McLean and Livermore
Buy
centre half and a striker
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I think he has to go and it could be a win / win,
He gets his desires, we free up a big chunk of wages,
Lets say a replacement costs £15m plus £50k / week over a 4 year deal thats a total of £25m, whereas Jonny would cost £5m / year in wages alone (at £100k/wk).
Also there is no sense keeping a dis-satisfied player IMO, lets be honest the Saido episode proved that. So take the best offer, wishing Jonny all the best and bring in a younger, more motivated player.
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Pardew's basically said come and get him. Man City could well be his destination. Would still be able to play in the CL which would be a big bonus for them. That's if they buy in January.
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Cash in and reinforce the squad elsewhere with the big wage chunk it takes out of the team. I'm very much with Billy's sentiments that McClean and Livermore should be sold too.
Evans has been in poor form frankly most of the season and find the interest from Man City baffling. Hence why we should just take the money and run.
Given that we are at the very limit of our spending cap in terms of wages etc for FFP it will be difficult for us to manoeuvre for deals but we desperately need a new striker at the bare minimum with any money we do receive.
Clearly we need to shore up in a couple of other areas too but what I expect will actually happen is we sell Evans, make some rubbish attempt at a couple of players we don't really have a chance of getting, buy no one and promote some of the youngsters - which, in itself is not a completely bad thing at all as we plough a lot of money into our A+ rated academy now, but you can't just throw 3-4 kids into the squad all at once, you have to bring them through gradually in conjunction with the rest of the established pros.
It's a fine balance to be sure and will be interesting to see how we play it.
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We absolutely have to reduce the number of high wage earners, the departure from Dan Ashworths model has caught up with us ansd we have become hamstrung in the transfer market.
Personally, I would cut free Jonny, Gareth Barry and Greg along with Maclean & Mozza, If Nacer isnt going to be "fit and playing" he can go as well. That has to amount to a massive chunk of wages.
Then bring in a Striker a AMF, DMF and a CH, net saving 2 players and potentially creates a lot of wiggle room for the summer, dependant upon what happens in 2nd half of the season.
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Threads like this really make me smile about the way people like to fling the clubs money around like it's a game of Monopoly
At the end of the day the club will do what it will do and we will just have to go along for the ride
Chins up boys and enjoy the thrill of anticipation of what may or maynot transpire ;D
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Couple of points. If Evans is being offered 100k to stay that money is avalable. We can only use it by selling Evans so it doesn't matter how much of that Evans currently earns.
This move is his last chance either now or in the summer or at the end of the deal. The champions league clubs won't wait for Evans.
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Couple of points. If Evans is being offered 100k to stay that money is avalable. We can only use it by selling Evans so it doesn't matter how much of that Evans currently earns.
This move is his last chance either now or in the summer or at the end of the deal. The champions league clubs won't wait for Evans.
Disagree , you say they won't wait well Arsenal and Man City have been sniffing and bidding for over a year now....how much longer before its classed as "not waiting " ?.
Reading Pardews piece Today he doesn't want to sell , given our record in recent windows I'd back Pardew and let Evans go in the Summer personally. Far too much of a risk IMO.
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Threads like this really make me smile about the way people like to fling the clubs money around like it's a game of Monopoly
At the end of the day the club will do what it will do and we will just have to go along for the ride
Chins up boys and enjoy the thrill of anticipation of what may or maynot transpire ;D
Isn't that part of the fun of being a fan? Not for a nano-second do I think the club would do what I idly muse about, but I still want to muse if thats ok, plus it makes you smile which is a bonus ! ;)
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the media in september was reporting that we wanted evans to sign a new £80k pw contract so i would guess hes definitely on more than £50k now.
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Hey guys,I say sell him in Jan 25 million I think were covered in the c/h position until summer.
Go for Mitriovic from the Geordie's he's a fiery guy that's what we need and he's got an eye for a goal.
That's all we need to do in January and reevaluate in the summer.
What would he cost 10-15 mill,leaves us in a profit
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We absolutely have to reduce the number of high wage earners, the departure from Dan Ashworths model has caught up with us ansd we have become hamstrung in the transfer market.
Personally, I would cut free Jonny, Gareth Barry and Greg along with Maclean & Mozza, If Nacer isnt going to be "fit and playing" he can go as well. That has to amount to a massive chunk of wages.
Then bring in a Striker a AMF, DMF and a CH, net saving 2 players and potentially creates a lot of wiggle room for the summer, dependant upon what happens in 2nd half of the season.
If your plan means that all these players leave/arrive in January, we will have lots of wriggle room in the summer - in the Championship.
That number of incoming players has only been undertaken once successfully at the Albion, when GM saved us from oblivion.
Ashworth's model (if there ever was such a cast iron plan) has been overtaken by the huge wage inflation generated by Sky's obscene bankrolling of the Greed League.
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It is definitely a risk letting him go, as the one part of the team that is relatively stable and consistent is the defence. You don't want to chop and change too much in that area. As it happens, I think Dawson is centre back material and is worthy of a regular slot there. However, I doubt that GMac has much longer as this level, as you need to be very quick turning and getting back, especially if we are playing further up the pitch.
I think we would also miss Evans leadership qualities. It is obvious he commands alot of respect from his team colleagues. That role would probably fall to Barry, except he's not a 100% starter.
Obvioulsy with Evans there comes a point when the money is too good to turn down, but I think we need to be very clear how he will be replaced before we do it.
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We absolutely have to reduce the number of high wage earners, the departure from Dan Ashworths model has caught up with us ansd we have become hamstrung in the transfer market.
Personally, I would cut free Jonny, Gareth Barry and Greg along with Maclean & Mozza, If Nacer isnt going to be "fit and playing" he can go as well. That has to amount to a massive chunk of wages.
Then bring in a Striker a AMF, DMF and a CH, net saving 2 players and potentially creates a lot of wiggle room for the summer, dependant upon what happens in 2nd half of the season.
WOW, that's an awful lot of changes to the playing squad for a January transfer window, we'd have had to identify a few gems to pull that one off.
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WOW, that's an awful lot of changes to the playing squad for a January transfer window, we'd have had to identify a few gems to pull that one off.
serious times need serious actions
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Sell him and buy a striker I say,mitrovic I like and he's only 23,for day max 15 mill or blow an estimated 25 mill on ano striker from somewhere,25 mill should get a top class goalscorer trouble is who will be available, what about the two Liverpool forwards ings or the brummie lad.but only one change please.
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serious times need serious actions
Indeed. But your 'baby out with the bathwater' suggestions would relegate us.
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if we can't keep him just make sure he is replaced with a younger up and coming player such as Ben Gibson. Our priority is a striker whether he leaves or not. Its up to the owner and how much he want his investment to be safeguarded by remaining in the Premier League.
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Also buy early sell late
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I'd try and keep him to the end of the season and then let him go. Him and Hegazi is one of the areas of the pitch that actually looks decent and given our precarious position I don't think we can afford to break up a decent partnership.
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No point selling him in January with 18 months left on his deal, we need him to help us stay up. Whatever happens I would sell him in the summer.
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find it quite amusing that a player whos played a part in where we are now is reportedly being offered a pay rise,football stinks theses days.i would sell because i think long term it makes sense,we get a good fee giving us a big profit that enables us to get a younger player on lower wages.paying £100k pw to players will only hinder us with FFP quicker than it is now.lets be honest hes decent but no worldbeater and is replaceable.
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Reading between the lines, I’d say Evans wanted off in the summer but we resisted. If we leave it til next summer we’ll lose out big time whereas now we may get 15-20m which we could reinvest. We did well with Hegazi so a centre back can be found for 5-10 m leaving the rest for a loan fee or an up and coming creative player (granted at these fees we’d struggle for anywhere near Evan’s class however arguably we don’d Need a premium centre back who can play the ball forward like him in our team)
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Makes sense to sell really, I don't think he is key to us staying up even if he is comfortably our best CB. We won't get half as much in the summer whether we are in this league or, as is more likely, not.
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id sell him for as much as we can get for the Man Utd reject as performances have been pooh in 2017, dawson and hegazi would do a job invest the money in a much needed striker.
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id sell him for as much as we can get for the Man Utd reject as performances have been rubbish in 2017, dawson and hegazi would do a job invest the money in a much needed striker.
Problem with that is, we'd then only have 3 senior CBs, one of those being an aged McAuley.
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Problem with that is, we'd then only have 3 senior CBs, one of those being an aged McAuley.
nyom could cover as west brom and square pegs and round holes goes togther
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id sell him for as much as we can get for the Man Utd reject as performances have been rubbish in 2017, dawson and hegazi would do a job invest the money in a much needed striker.
I don't think Jonny's been quite that bad, but that is a genuine option given the scale of the slump we are in. Whether it's a much needed striker or a much needed AM or both. Something needs to change.
Risky relying on 3 senior CBs though...we have Livermore who's done it before as emergency 4th choice...or Yacob as a red alert emergency 5th choice.
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We won more this season, when he was injured and not captain.
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nyom could cover as west brom and square pegs and round holes goes togther
In that case I think we'd all agree that we'd prefer to keep Evans than have Nyom at CB
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Anywhere near £30mil and he has to go.
Problem is I do not trust us to spend that money wisely
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Anywhere near £30mil and he has to go.
Problem is I do not trust us to spend that money wisely
For £30 million I would throw a few more in Liam
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Should Evans go would like to see Dawson play centre half and us sign a proper right back (difference Gibbs has made on the left shows what a natural player can do)
I would like to have a young centre half with pace, either sign one or if we have one close to the first team from the academy look to bring them through as this really does look like GMac's last season for us.
I would also look to convert Livermore to a centre half, he played there for Hull a bit and did well and all his attributes point to him being a centre half as i dont think he does enough for a centre midfielder, he can pass the ball pretty well so we would also have a ball playing defender to replace Evans.
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Should Evans go would like to see Dawson play centre half and us sign a proper right back (difference Gibbs has made on the left shows what a natural player can do)
I would like to have a young centre half with pace, either sign one or if we have one close to the first team from the academy look to bring them through as this really does look like GMac's last season for us.
I would also look to convert Livermore to a centre half, he played there for Hull a bit and did well and all his attributes point to him being a centre half as i dont think he does enough for a centre midfielder, he can pass the ball pretty well so we would also have a ball playing defender to replace Evans.
We leak goals for fun down the left. If it hadn't been so long since we had a proper left back he'd be getting a really rough ride from our supporters.
Looks good bombing forward without much end product but not up to it defensively.
Back to Evans. January is a sellers market and we have to rinse these clubs for a minimum of £30 million.
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We leak goals for fun in general - right, left and centre.
Personally i would say Gibbs has been our player of the season so far, get Brunty in front of him and we have a strong left side.
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We leak goals for fun down the left. If it hadn't been so long since we had a proper left back he'd be getting a really rough ride from our supporters.
Looks good bombing forward without much end product but not up to it defensively.
Back to Evans. January is a sellers market and we have to rinse these clubs for a minimum of £30 million.
If we hold out for £30 million we will be waiting for a long time I think, and we will be keeping a player who does not want to be here, and whose form is in decline.
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If we hold out for £30 million we will be waiting for a long time I think, and we will be keeping a player who does not want to be here, and whose form is in decline.
Thing is, as has been mentioned before, we then need to first buy another CB or we risk playing half the season with Hegazi, McAuley and Dawson (who's been out injured for 2 months) as our 3 CB options. After that if there's any cash left for transfer fees and wages will we be able to sign another attacking player. I can't see us finding a first 11 CB and striker in the January window if I'm honest.
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If Everton paid 45 million for a player I would expect to get at least 30 million for Evans, if we did get that, let him go.
But early in the window so we can buy ourselves,unless we gamble and we buy who we want first in the hope we sell
Think that £30M Evans boat has long sailed mate,20 if we are lucky and someone wants him
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Didn't I hear that Utd want him back ? Jose is a big admirer
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Didn't I hear that Utd want him back ? Jose is a big admirer
Jose is a big something alright !
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Whoever doesn't sign the overrated Virgil, will then be looking at Evans/Dunk/Pannuci and maybe Burnley's Keane
Spurs,Man City, Man U, Liverpool , Chelsea (selling luiz) are probably all in the market , could also look perhaps at French/Spanish clubs...
One way or another I think he goes in Jan for around 25m, hopefully early.
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Whoever doesn't sign the overrated Virgil, will then be looking at Evans/Dunk/Pannuci and maybe Burnley's Keane
Spurs,Man City, Man U, Liverpool , Chelsea (selling luiz) are probably all in the market , could also look perhaps at French/Spanish clubs...
One way or another I think he goes in Jan for around 25m, hopefully early.
Michael Keane is at Everton...he played against us yesterday. Unless there's another one I don't know about?
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Liverpool have allegedly agreed a fee of £75 million for V van D. & we're going to get a replacement for Johnny Evans?
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Liverpool have allegedly agreed a fee of £75 million for V van D. & we're going to get a replacement for Johnny Evans?
Confirmed by both Liverpool and Southampton now.
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The Van Dijk transfer likely to kick start the January market pumped a lot of money in at the beginning and taken one of the most obvious Centre Back targets out of the market. Guess it mean that City will be back in for Evans
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The Van Dijk transfer likely to kick start the January market pumped a lot of money in at the beginning and taken one of the most obvious Centre Back targets out of the market. Guess it mean that City will be back in for Evans
Well it would have if everybody played by the rules, how the hell have they been able to sign him for 75m OUTSIDE of the window?
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Well it would have if everybody played by the rules, how the hell have they been able to sign him for 75m OUTSIDE of the window?
He will sign on January the 1st?
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I don't think I'll ever understand the FFP rules,how can Liverpool do it?
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The Van Dijk transfer likely to kick start the January market pumped a lot of money in at the beginning and taken one of the most obvious Centre Back targets out of the market. Guess it mean that City will be back in for Evans
it will also mean we will probably be competing with Southampton for the same replacements
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I don't think I'll ever understand the FFP rules,how can Liverpool do it?
They have a net spend of about 35 million over the past 4 seasons.
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Liverpool have allegedly agreed a fee of £75 million for V van D. & we're going to get a replacement for Johnny Evans?
Confirmed by both Liverpool and Southampton now.
There are no words to describe how outrageously ridiculous that price is....
That said, it will in theory it inflate the market for defenders and we could potentially charge a little more for Evans... ::)
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25-30 mill for Evans, we don't need to replace him.
Spend the lot on mitrovic and the Celtic lad
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There are no words to describe how outrageously ridiculous that price is....
That said, it will in theory it inflate the market for defenders and we could potentially charge a little more for Evans... ::)
And be charged more for his replacement..
25-30 mill for Evans, we don't need to replace him.
Spend the lot on mitrovic and the Celtic lad
Of course we need to replace him. Mitrovic isn't the answer either. What is it with us and strikers that don't score?
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25-30 mill for Evans, we don't need to replace him.
Spend the lot on mitrovic and the Celtic lad
can someone explain the why people seem so keen on miteovic when his record is worse than rondon’s and he’s spent a season in the championship. As for defenders I’d sooner see us sign a right back and shift Dawson central.
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He will sign on January the 1st?
Absolute rubbish, he's all over social media waving the scumbags shirt about, they get away with murder time and again.
How can anyone respect the rules of the window when typical scousers don't wait for it to open....they just break in.
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Absolute rubbish, he's all over social media waving the scumbags shirt about, they get away with murder time and again.
How can anyone respect the rules of the window when typical scousers don't wait for it to open....they just break in.
He cannot be registered to play until the transfer window opens
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He cannot be registered to play until the transfer window opens
But the point is the window is there for a reason..
We either have rules or we don't?
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But the point is the window is there for a reason..
We either have rules or we don't?
what rule has been broken? the window is for the transfer of player registrations, clubs can negotiate with each other when ever, it’s the same for any club. There’s nothing stopping clubs bidding for players outside of the Windows, most clubs don’t as it makes no sense signing players and paying them when they can’t play. leicester have had to do it with adrien silva, they didn’t register him in time in the summer but he’s still their player and they’ve still had to pay him while he can’t play.
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Absolute rubbish, he's all over social media waving the scumbags shirt about, they get away with murder time and again.
How can anyone respect the rules of the window when typical scousers don't wait for it to open....they just break in.
No rules have been broken. Give your head a wobble we announced the permanent signing of Hegazi last week.
Not sure what your problem is with Liverpool but it's out of order.
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No rules have been broken. Give your head a wobble we announced the permanent signing of Hegazi last week.
Not sure what your problem is with Liverpool but it's out of order.
Maybe you might like to try and wobble my head?
Hegazi is already with us and the timing of making the contract permanent was not subject to the window.
There are many issues with Liverpool, but I'd turn the question, why are you so defensive of them?
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25-30 mill for Evans, we don't need to replace him.
Spend the lot on mitrovic and the Celtic lad
I agree, we've got 3 decent CBs for half a season and Livermore has played there too. Whatever happens we are going to need a complete rebuild in the summer - doesn't matter if we ship a few more, we have to start scoring.
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:o if we dont get 30 million plus in this inflated market but will pay over the odds for replacement players especially if they are from prem or Championship league. does pardew still like the french league might find a gem or two there.
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:D if he is going to Man City. We should do a deal with them to get the loan services of 2 of their "fringe" strikers on loan (who would be outstanding) compared to what we have. Also maybe a mid-fielder???
Just a thought would make the deal "sweeter" and also give some "potential" good players from City a chance to impress by helping us stay up ;D
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:D if he is going to Man City. We should do a deal with them to get the loan services of 2 of their "fringe" strikers on loan (who would be outstanding) compared to what we have. Also maybe a mid-fielder???
Just a thought would make the deal "sweeter" and also give some "potential" good players from City a chance to impress by helping us stay up ;D
Can only have one on loan from one club and two in total from other Premier League clubs...sorry!
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Probably be sold on the last day of the transfer window so that we can bank the money and not spend the transfer fee
We've been so small time for so long its embarassing
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Last night he was embarrassing again.
He didn't organise our defence, and they conceded 2 goals...Where was he? More to the point..Where was his brain?
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Last night he was embarrassing again.
He didn't organise our defence, and they conceded 2 goals...Where was he? More to the point..Where was his brain?
Not captain material for me and probably wanting an exit quickly himself
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At the start of the season, he was out with injury.
We were on a winning streak.
He came back in and that is when the slide started.
He is definitely not a captain and cannot organise a defence.
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Sounds like Arsenal are back in for him at £25m
Personally I would shift Dawson over and sign a decent right back and of course the striker we are so desperate for. Dembele from Celtic if Ings would do for me. Might need to look at an attackingidfielder
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Get debuchy in, move Dawson over. Bring dembele in alongside rondon.
Foster
Debuchy Dawson hegazi Gibbs
Phillips krychowiak Barry brunt
Rondon dembele
Surely would be good enough to stay up
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Was out today with a "sore foot".
Sure you were Jonny.
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Heard a few whispers that we’ve received a 35million bid for him.
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Heard a few whispers that we’ve received a 35million bid for him.
I wouldn't mind 3 to 5 million for him.
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Deal reported in the pipeline with Arsenal for £25m according to the Daily Star. Sore foot coincides with first reported interest of this window well I never :o
Further update Sky Sports News interview with Pardew who seemed to be unclear when the "foot injury" occurred the BS detector has just gone off the scale Think Evans is definitely on his bike.
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Deal reported in the pipeline with Arsenal for £25m according to the Daily Star. Sore foot coincides with first reported interest of this window well I never :o
At today's prices that is cheap. Hopefully spend that money on a goalscorer.
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You don't sell your best player in our position, trouble is he's been bang average all season and looks no better than Hegazi so if the money's decent and we sort the team out its best all round. His worth was only going to decrease.
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Deal reported in the pipeline with Arsenal for £25m according to the Daily Star. Sore foot coincides with first reported interest of this window well I never :o
Further update Sky Sports News interview with Pardew who seemed to be unclear when the "foot injury" occurred the BS detector has just gone off the scale Think Evans is definitely on his bike.
Can he ride a bike with only one decent foot?
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You don't sell your best player in our position, trouble is he's been bang average all season and looks no better than Hegazi so if the money's decent and we sort the team out its best all round. His worth was only going to decrease.
The only concern I have is will we get the right players in. He is our best player and we will need to bring in a defender.
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News now Albion ablaze with reports johnny is close to signing for the gunners for £25M
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At this point in the season and the position we're in I'm willing to try anything. I'd wouldn't mind flogging him for £30m.
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The only concern I have is will we get the right players in. He is our best player and we will need to bring in a defender.
If the reports are true that we have to sell to raise money and free up wages we don't really have much choice, don't think we have another player who could fetch us £20m+ to get the players in that's needed. Will we get those players? I share you're doubts.
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Hope it triggers a bidding war if there's any truth that both Manchester clubs are interested.
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Can you tell us again ? :D
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Hope it triggers a bidding war if there's any truth that both Manchester clubs are interested.
Which player in the 2017 2018 season played for both the bottom club and the champions and collected a champions league medal 😂😂?
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The £75M should come in handy ;D
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It's bizarre to think we have to sell our best player in order to save our season or atleast try to save it. Funny thing is we are yet to win a game since Evans has returned from injury. For me he is our best player but he hasn't been as good this season as last. If we can get 30 million for him bearing in mind he is 30 years old so we have had his peak years so to speak.
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He's on his way so lets hope we get one or two decent players in who can turn our season around or at least make us a better team looking ahead.
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Let's get this done quickly so we can get moving on new attacking blood before the games really start running out, weakening the defence is the least of our worries
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This from Matt Wilson (E & S) yesterday, I'm not sure he is on his way.
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Few reports flying around about Evans. Understand there's been no bids as of yet though. Pardew insisted it WAS an injury. "He was injured. He hurt his foot on Friday so we left him behind."
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First time I've ever wanted us to sell arguably our best player - but if we can shift him to Arsenal with Debuchy coming the other way then I think our back four would be just as strong if not perhaps stronger. We desperately need to find the cash for loan fees/salaries to get an attacking midfielder/winger and at least one striker.
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First time I've ever wanted us to sell arguably our best player - but if we can shift him to Arsenal with Debuchy coming the other way then I think our back four would be just as strong if not perhaps stronger. We desperately need to find the cash for loan fees/salaries to get an attacking midfielder/winger and at least one striker.
I think we have to if we are to have any realistic chance of bringing in the attacking players we need. I'll be sad to see him go but not signing any players this January would be criminal and we are going to need to sell to accommodate the wages of the type of players we are going to need to bring in.
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I'm not one who likes to see our better players go but in Evans' case I think a move would benefit him AND the Albion.
You would be hard pushed to look at any of our games this season and say we got a result because Evans was playing. In fact we've won four games all season and Evans hasn't started one of them. I don't think it weakens us one bit with Dawson and Hegazi at the back and we have GMac as back up and at a push Livermore as well, maybe even Nyom.
Of course you don't sell under the odds but if we could get the right sort of money for Jonny I'd be glad to see him go and we can invest the money more wisely.
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I agree with the above, but We need to do it quickly, to derive funding for new players now, not Jan 31st.
Obviously, this makes no difference if the powers decide they will spend now, in anticipation of selling Evans. I hope this is the case.
Evans has been decent this year, but not the player he was last year. To me, he slows the game down too often, when we should be breaking quickly.
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Don't really understand the clamour for Mathieu Debuchy on this thread. 32, seems to be fairly injury prone, hardly played for three years even when not injured, decent going forward but defensively suspect. Looked promising but that was years ago. Made a total of thirteen Premier League appearances for Arsenal up to now, his third season for them, and none of those appearances have come this season.
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Don't really understand the clamour for Mathieu Debuchy on this thread. 32, seems to be fairly injury prone, hardly played for three years even when not injured, decent going forward but defensively suspect. Looked promising but that was years ago. Made a total of thirteen Premier League appearances for Arsenal up to now, his third season for them, and none of those appearances have come this season.
Glad someone said it, Arsenal would be p1ssing themselves if they managed to offload Gibbs and Debuchy to us.
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If he was a first eleven pick for Arsenal then we wouldn't stand a chance of signing him.
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Don't really understand the clamour for Mathieu Debuchy on this thread. 32, seems to be fairly injury prone, hardly played for three years even when not injured, decent going forward but defensively suspect. Looked promising but that was years ago. Made a total of thirteen Premier League appearances for Arsenal up to now, his third season for them, and none of those appearances have come this season.
At 32 and injury prone it may be a gamble but even saying that he would be an upgrade on Nyom.
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If the Arsenal interest is correct and they actually table a bid, Hopefully it's dealt with quickly and we can get someone else in with the money asap. Johnny has been poor all of this season so won't be sad to see him leaving. As noted, we've yet to win this season when he's been in the side.
Don't want Debuchy coming the other way. He's playing against Forest in the cup now, looks awful, Forest's leftback appears to have him on toast.
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If the Arsenal interest is correct and they actually table a bid, Hopefully it's dealt with quickly and we can get someone else in with the money asap. Johnny has been poor all of this season so won't be sad to see him leaving. As noted, we've yet to win this season when he's been in the side.
Don't want Debuchy coming the other way. He's playing against Forest in the cup now, looks awful, Forest's leftback appears to have him on toast.
I'm watching the same game. Debuchy looks useful going forward, but if Arsenal are really keen on Evans, why don't we ask them to do a deal involving Theo Walcott or Olivier Giroud? We don't have to just accept whoever Arsenal think is the most expendable player from their squad.
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and now he's fouled the left back to concede a penalty...
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and now he's fouled the left back to concede a penalty...
Thought it was a good tackle. Got the ball
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At least todays result means another few mill added to Jonny's price :)
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I'm watching the same game. Debuchy looks useful going forward, but if Arsenal are really keen on Evans, why don't we ask them to do a deal involving Theo Walcott or Olivier Giroud? We don't have to just accept whoever Arsenal think is the most expendable player from their squad.
There won't be a swap, there are never swaps.
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I'm watching the same game. Debuchy looks useful going forward, but if Arsenal are really keen on Evans, why don't we ask them to do a deal involving Theo Walcott or Olivier Giroud? We don't have to just accept whoever Arsenal think is the most expendable player from their squad.
Fantasy. Wouldn't come to us and we wouldn't pay enough in wages.
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The idea of either those two on loan until the end of the season with Arsenal paying a large proportion of wages is not an impossibility with a World Cup this summer.
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The idea of either those two on loan until the end of the season with Arsenal paying a large proportion of wages is not an impossibility with a World Cup this summer.
Exactly World Cup year is a different ball game for fringe players who want a chance to break into a World Cup squad who know warming the bench gives them zero chance.
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Exactly World Cup year is a different ball game for fringe players who want a chance to break into a World Cup squad who know warming the bench gives them zero chance.
Yep. Imagine there's a few who fall in to that category and therefore give us an opportunity to loan a decent quality and motivated player.
Giroud, Wellbeck, Walcott, Sturridge, Ings all immediately come to mind.
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Giroud Mrs won't move north of Luton and Walcott is just wishful thinking.
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Just got a feeling Jonny will not be going anywhere. Unless one of the top six want him as a squad player, can't see him fitting in anywhere as a first choice.
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Just got a feeling Jonny will not be going anywhere. Unless one of the top six want him as a squad player, can't see him fitting in anywhere as a first choice.
And let's be honest, who is signing squad players in January.
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Just got a feeling Jonny will not be going anywhere. Unless one of the top six want him as a squad player, can't see him fitting in anywhere as a first choice.
Arsène Wenger being asked about rumours linking us with West Bromwich Albion defender Jonny Evans and his plans for the January transfer window.
Here’s what he said:
on being linked to Jonny Evans…
No, I cannot give you any news on any transfer because we are not close to signing anybody. We signed a Greek boy who looks quite good in training but apart from that, we have not done anything. Will we be out there to do something? Yes we will.
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BBC football reporting in the last 45 minutes that arsenal and city have made contact with Albion over his transfer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football
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BBC football reporting in the last 45 minutes that arsenal and city have made contact with Albion over his transfer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football
Come on Albion, get it done and move him along.
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BBC are saying that both Man City and Arsenal have been in touch about JE......better to do it now as opposed to 31st January.
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Sell him asap! Not for any reason other than it will free up some funds to try & salvage our season!
Not his fault, but the way of the football world, I doubt he'd be here next season anyway if we did get relegated (he's probably got some clause in his contract anyway) & he's already allegedly said he wont sign a contract extension. We need to get some fresh faces in quickly!
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Sell him asap! Not for any reason other than it will free up some funds to try & salvage our season!
Not his fault, but the way of the football world, I doubt he'd be here next season anyway if we did get relegated (he's probably got some clause in his contract anyway) & he's already allegedly said he wont sign a contract extension. We need to get some fresh faces in quickly!
Spot on, his head's not been here properly anyway since his pal left.
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Can we keep transfer talk in the transfer board please
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At 32 and injury prone it may be a gamble but even saying that he would be an upgrade on Nyom.
Not entirely sure that is the case. Has barely kicked a ball in nearly 2 years absolutely no idea what we are getting I am fairly certain it is nothing like the player that joined Arsenal.
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Not entirely sure that is the case. Has barely kicked a ball in nearly 2 years absolutely no idea what we are getting I am fairly certain it is nothing like the player that joined Arsenal.
This is where we have to stop thinking small time. Not just accept Arsenal's cast offs. If Arsenal don't want to bring better players into the equation (eg Walcott, Giroud) we should say sorry Arsenal, we'd like to see who other interested clubs can offer.
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This is where we have to stop thinking small time. Not just accept Arsenal's cast offs. If Arsenal don't want to bring better players into the equation (eg Walcott, Giroud) we should say sorry Arsenal, we'd like to see who other interested clubs can offer.
Depends on the deal. I mean £20m and Debuchy on loan where Arsenal pay his wages... is it such a bad deal?
Gibbs - Hegazi - Dawson - Debuchy
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Depends on the deal. I mean £20m and Debuchy on loan where Arsenal pay his wages... is it such a bad deal?
Gibbs - Hegazi - Dawson - Debuchy
It depends how bad Debuchy is and he could be very bad. Assuming he is a good player because he was once signed by Arsenal for a lot of money is wishful thinking. He is 32 he has been at Arsenal for nearly 4 seasons and the he has barely played 15 Premier League games in total. On what little evidence that is available a cup appearance at Forest it would appear that he is properly bad.
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It depends how bad Debuchy is and he could be very bad. Assuming he is a good player because he was once signed by Arsenal for a lot of money is wishful thinking. He is 32 he has been at Arsenal for nearly 4 seasons and the he has barely played 15 Premier League games in total. On what little evidence that is available a cup appearance at Forest it would appear that he is properly bad.
Was he that bad at Right Back then?
His fitness issues are unfortunately a massive problem. I wouldn't be overjoyed. I'd sooner try and get someone like Maitland-Niles off them until the end of the season.
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I really don't get the Arsenal interest in JE. Are they being used as a stalking horse to get Man City to the table?
I'd be very surprised if he went 'saoff'
He has got the chance to play in the most exciting team in years, champions league, all the cups and be close to his home base. He'd probably go there for less money its so attractive.
I'm just concerned its 10th Jan and no deal has been done.
I was genuinely pleased with the summer window but now the squad looks a mess, unbalanced, old players and loads crocked.
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Can we keep this relevant to Jonny Evans. Talk of Debuchy should be in the Rumours thread. Thanks.
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I really don't get the Arsenal interest in JE. Are they being used as a stalking horse to get Man City to the table?
I'd be very surprised if he went 'saoff'
He has got the chance to play in the most exciting team in years, champions league, all the cups and be close to his home base. He'd probably go there for less money its so attractive.
I'm just concerned its 10th Jan and no deal has been done.
I was genuinely pleased with the summer window but now the squad looks a mess, unbalanced, old players and loads crocked.
He'll start at Arsenal and be back up at City.
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He'll start at Arsenal and be back up at City.
I think that's the question for Evans, does he want to play every week at Arsenal or will he be happy to sit on the bench at City? I'm pretty sure in the Summer Man City said that he would be 4th choice centre back.
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Seems to me that Arsenal and City are playing a cagey game to see which one offers first. We need a Leicester or Everton to come in and start the ball rolling as we can’t move in the market until this is sorted, which will give other clubs an advantage, and we will be left with scraps - that’s an all too familiar occurrence!
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From the Sky Sports Transfer Centre:
http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre (http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre)
"WENGER ON EVANS
Arsene Wenger failed to rule out a move for West Brom defender Jonny Evans but admits if Manchester City are in for him, Arsenal will come out second best due to finances.
He said: “I don’t know if City is in for anyone. If the decision comes to finances with City we know we will be second best.â€
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Anywhere near £30mil and he has to go.
Problem is I do not trust us to spend that money wisely
100% agree. I love the Albion but do I trust them with 30 mill? Not likely
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Anyone checked on Droitwich today? Hope he's ok. :D
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Anyone checked on Droitwich today? Hope he's ok. :D
I am "upshut" at that remark. ;D
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Took his header extremely well and looked genuinely passionate when he was celebrating. Solid at the back too I thought
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After watching City and Arsenal defensive performances today I would think that JE has certainly played his last game for us. Wish him well!
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His best performance of the season. His farewell appearance?
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His best performance of the season. His farewell appearance?
I thought the same.
I also thought tuamigos was spot on with his comment that we won't spend a bean but bank the money. How I wish we were ambitious.
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We'll spend it if Jonny is sold.
He's been told he can spend if a player is sold first.
Why wouldn't he?
He's already said that he needs new faces.
Don't you believe pard's?
What's the point of not spending the money,just to keep it,are you inferring that the owner will take it himself?
Unless they declare huge divi you just can't take money out of a business or perhaps he could pay himself or his other Chinese board members the 30 mill?
I doubt it somehow,but its a funny old game as someone once said.
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I thought the same.
I also thought tuamigos was spot on with his comment that we won't spend a bean but bank the money. How I wish we were ambitious.
Lai needs to spend it or he will lose a lot more than he will pocket
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Can't we have a section on the forum entitled "free financial expertise"?
That way when Mr Lai (the very successful multi multi millionaire) is sitting in bed unable to sleep wondering what best to do about his investment..
He can log on and all of our friendly experts can point him in the right direction.
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We have spent - cleared the mortgage and are now debt free ;D
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Heard a few has been agreed, 25 rising to 30mill
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Heard a few has been agreed, 25 rising to 30mill
Who with ?
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Man City
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Who with ?
Sky Sports are saying " No Contact Made with West Brom over Jonny Evans
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Sky Sports are saying " No Contact Made with West Brom over Jonny Evans
Yes we always tell Sky Sports who we are buying and selling ::)
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Sky Sports are saying " No Contact Made with West Brom over Jonny Evans
Haven't seen anything official relating to imminent transfer elsewhere, although I'll keep an eye out for the newspaper deadline within the next half hour, but Sky is the last place I'd be checking up to date news. 'Sky Sources' are more often than not just the reports of the actual written press reported half an hour late.
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Heard a few has been agreed, 25 rising to 30mill
With respect Baggie96 I can't remember you ever sharing a piece of information that went on to turn out to be real. I think if Evans leaves it will be late one. It's all part of the negotiations. City will want us to lower our price as a way of panic in fear of missing out on targets and we know City have money to spend so are holding our ground for a sensible offer. It's all down to which one lowers their guard first. With Peace I would be able to guarantee we wouldn't fold first but with this new chairman I havent the foggiest.
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Brum mail just reporting the odds on Evans leaving have slashed dramatically, now 1/10 to join City.
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Yes we always tell Sky Sports who we are buying and selling ::)
. More reliable than a betting site saying that odds have been cut and then people saying a fee has been agreed
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Looks like he’s on his way to Man City, all over Twitter now
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Looks like he’s on his way to Man City, all over Twitter now
Sad because he's a classy footballer but, if it paves the way for reinforcements up top then so be it.
Shame it's come to this, having to sell to buy, though, thought we were smarter than that.
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Don't forget guys,we made his comeback to get this move,he was going nowhere till he came to us.
Win win but I was hoping for a bit more than 23 million.
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Don't forget guys,we made his comeback to get this move,he was going nowhere till he came to us.
Win win but I was hoping for a bit more than 23 million.
As I remember it: Man U sold to us cheaply because they didn't want to sell to a rival club (Arsenal wanted him).
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Sad because he's a classy footballer but, if it paves the way for reinforcements up top then so be it.
Shame it's come to this, having to sell to buy, though, thought we were smarter than that.
4 of the 5 games we've won Evans played no part in. We have Dawson and GMac to replace him and it doesn't weaken us.
Smart, Albion? I'd say so. What a position of strength to sell someone for £25 mil (ish) and not be weakened.
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no bids for him i have just read
http://www.skysports.com/west-bromwich-albion
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Can see this going to the very end of the window to try and get the cheapest price for johnny then a panicked last 48 hours....suppose not much we can do if thats the case
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no bids for him i have just read
Doesn't surprise me. I would not mind him going it would help us to strengthen the squad but I don't think he'll go anywhere in all honesty.
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Can see this going to the very end of the window to try and get the cheapest price for johnny then a panicked last 48 hours....suppose not much we can do if thats the case
Pardew has said that there is a time limit as to when he can go and he won't be sold if we wouldn't have time to get in a replacement.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5264579/West-Brom-Alan-Pardew-candid-talks-Jonny-Evans.html
he has reiterated his stance in the piece that Devon has supplied a link to.
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we've put ourselves in a crazy situation where we are having to sell the kind of players we need to push on because the clubs failings in getting the quality of forwards needed in this league. doesn't matter if we have cover for Evans it's a backward step and one i hope the club recognises.it was a coup to get him and we wont get so fortunate again getting his quality and experience for £7m. we are robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Ideally we'd sell him to Arsenal, get Callum Chambers on loan in return. That's a best case scenario for me personally. Wouldn't be surprised if that's how Arsenal may angle it late in the window either.
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Ideally we'd sell him to Arsenal, get Callum Chambers on loan in return. That's a best case scenario for me personally. Wouldn't be surprised if that's how Arsenal may angle it late in the window either.
Hopefully we sell him to Arsenal and use all the money to buy a striker who can score. We don't need Chambers as we have players for that position.......pointless trying to fill that hole when we have a gaping chasm up front.
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Hopefully we sell him to Arsenal and use all the money to buy a striker who can score. We don't need Chambers as we have players for that position.......pointless trying to fill that hole when we have a gaping chasm up front.
Gibbs / Nyom / Dawson / Hegazi / McAuley
Unless I'm missing something, that's our defence if Evans goes. With Brunt an option at LB.
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Gibbs / Nyom / Dawson / Hegazi / McAuley
Unless I'm missing something, that's our defence if Evans goes. With Brunt an option at LB.
3 centre backs and livermore can cover swell
Gibbs and brunt as cover
Dawson or nyom
Thats enough cover for me.
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Gibbs / Nyom / Dawson / Hegazi / McAuley
Unless I'm missing something, that's our defence if Evans goes. With Brunt an option at LB.
Throw Chambers in there and we will have a damn good defence for the Championship....
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Throw Chambers in there and we will have a damn good defence for the Championship....
which we are probably going to need...
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Ideally we'd sell him to Arsenal, get Callum Chambers on loan in return. That's a best case scenario for me personally. Wouldn't be surprised if that's how Arsenal may angle it late in the window either.
Callum Chambers is an awful excuse for a defender, wouldn't want him anywhere near my club. Arsenal are a joke defensively and he is one of their worst defenders.
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Seems Leicester are back interested
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5286293/Leicester-make-fresh-bid-West-Brom-star-Jonny-Evans.html
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Seems Leicester are back interested
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5286293/Leicester-make-fresh-bid-West-Brom-star-Jonny-Evans.html
If he's going the sooner the better so it gives us as much time as possible to do our own deals. just want a solid bid to start the ball rolling, get the feeling clubs like Man City know our situation and are using it to their advantage. it's been well publicised we need to sell before we can buy ,something that in hindsight should've been kept quiet.
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Heard we set a price of 23.5million. That has to be a temper and not what we are expecting in full. Seems atleast 5 million too cheap. Maybe the berahino situation has scared our negotiates.
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Heard we set a price of 23.5million. That has to be a temper and not what we are expecting in full. Seems atleast 5 million too cheap. Maybe the berahino situation has scared our negotiates.
Going in to last year of contract I can't see us getting more than £20m for him
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Gibbs / Nyom / Dawson / Hegazi / McAuley
Unless I'm missing something, that's our defence if Evans goes. With Brunt an option at LB.
Barry and Livermore can also cover defensively. That's 8 players (including the 3 cover players). Surely we can wait until the Summer to add a new first team starter? A striker is more needed as we are an injury away from having only 2 strikers again.
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Barry and Livermore can also cover defensively. That's 8 players (including the 3 cover players). Surely we can wait until the Summer to add a new first team starter? A striker is more needed as we are an injury away from having only 2 strikers again.
If only we had 3 actual strikers as opposed to 3 players who play in that position.
I think we have to get a quickish, tricky forward, in the mould of SuperKev to play off Rondon. If that happens to be an unknown foreigner on loan, so be it, but it would be better if we could use the Evans money (providing it arrives shortly), to make it permanent.
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Once more I think I need to point out that forwards/goal scorers need someone just behind them able to make the killer pass for them to score from a forward alone isn't the answer and if we can get a half way decent attacking midfielder then our existing forwards might well start to score more goals
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If he's going the sooner the better so it gives us as much time as possible to do our own deals. just want a solid bid to start the ball rolling, get the feeling clubs like Man City know our situation and are using it to their advantage. it's been well publicised we need to sell before we can buy ,something that in hindsight should've been kept quiet.
Works both ways though. Teams now know that we need the money to buy someone therefore need a certain amount for the players we want.
Anything less than that and we stick with what we've got.
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Once more I think I need to point out that forwards/goal scorers need someone just behind them able to make the killer pass for them to score from a forward alone isn't the answer and if we can get a half way decent attacking midfielder then our existing forwards might well start to score more goals
I know what you mean with regard to an AM and we definitely need one but I think getting a striker in that can make his own chances (like Odemwingie) would be beneficial..if we just go down the striker route.
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Once more I think I need to point out that forwards/goal scorers need someone just behind them able to make the killer pass for them to score from a forward alone isn't the answer and if we can get a half way decent attacking midfielder then our existing forwards might well start to score more goals
Franky sorry mucka but your talking far to much sense for most to understand.
A number 9 is there for one thing & that's to score goals, full stop.. ;)
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We have spent - cleared the mortgage and are now debt free ;D
but zero disposable income, no going on the lash now !
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Daily star saying he has a 3m relegation clause
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Daily star saying he has a 3m relegation clause
Stop believing the press.
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Daily star saying he has a 3m relegation clause
So they are saying we put a relegation clause in to sell him for less than we paid for him? That would be a strange move.
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So they are saying we put a relegation clause in to sell him for less than we paid for him? That would be a strange move.
not if he hasnt got relagation clause in his contract regarding his wages.
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Treated for concussion on Saturday being monitored this week.
Personally I'd start McAuley against Liverpool instead. Give him plenty of time to recover for the City and Soton league games.
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/january/evans-concussion/
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Treated for concussion on Saturday being monitored this week.
Personally I'd start McAuley against Liverpool instead. Give him plenty of time to recover for the City and Soton league games.
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/january/evans-concussion/
Makes sense really,McAuley played well at Exeter and the benefit is it gives him match time and no point risking an injury to Evans jeopardizing any potential sale.Pardew said Evans wouldn't be sold late in the window so if he's still here next Saturday he could well be here for the rest of the season.
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Makes sense really,McAuley played well at Exeter and the benefit is it gives him match time and no point risking an injury to Evans jeopardizing any potential sale.Pardew said Evans wouldn't be sold late in the window so if he's still here next Saturday he could well be here for the rest of the season.
I'm pretty sure Pardew put a sell by date of 28th on Evans so you are right that if he is still here on Saturday then he'll be here until the Summer.
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BBC reporting this as well now. Does seem a bizarre bit of business, perhaps the negotiating team took the "Pulis doesn't do relegation" a tad too seriously!
Absolute madness to lose him for £3m, what could you buy with that these days - Ryan Donk!
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we'll only lose him for £3m (even if the clause in question exists) if there's only 1 bidder. As long as there are 2 or more teams wanting him the price will be determined by the resulting auction not some ridiculously low minimum
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we'll only lose him for £3m (even if the clause in question exists) if there's only 1 bidder. As long as there are 2 or more teams wanting him the price will be determined by the resulting auction not some ridiculously low minimum
No we wont we will have to allow him to talk to any club that matches the release clause, you could have 5 teams bid 3 million, where he will be entitled to talk to them all
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There's absolutely no chance that the Albion directors would have agreed to any clause as simple as that with such an outrageous potential result for the club. I'm sure they're not all totally stupid/insane.
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There's absolutely no chance that the Albion directors would have agreed to any clause as simple as that with such an outrageous potential result for the club. I'm sure they're not all totally stupid/insane.
I would be surprised if this is true. Evans was signed under the JP leadership and he would never let the club lose out on any deal.
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There's absolutely no chance that the Albion directors would have agreed to any clause as simple as that with such an outrageous potential result for the club. I'm sure they're not all totally stupid/insane.
Can't see that it's just conditional on relegation,It could be linked to a wage flex down clause.
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It's true about Jonny leaving for £3 mill if we are relegated.
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It's true about Jonny leaving for £3 mill if we are relegated.
Unbelievable Jeff!
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There's absolutely no chance that the Albion directors would have agreed to any clause as simple as that with such an outrageous potential result for the club. I'm sure they're not all totally stupid/insane.
We had to sell the club to him and set things in his favour a bit to get him to sign - it's not as though he'd have been desperate to sign for us, even though Fletcher was here. It would be a blow to lose him for that much but we would be getting back 40% of what we paid for him and we've had 3 years out of him (though of course there's been massive price inflation in the meantime).
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Wouldn't surprise me if the clause was in their to protect the club from having to fork out his massive wages in the championship as well, works both ways. He becomes very attractive to everyone and we get him off the books of the worst happens. Also imagine it was something to help entice him to the club
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He may well have a £3m relegation clause but unless we get £15-£20m for him this window to fund at least one striker there is no point in selling him. Still reckon he will end up leaving. But it will go down to the last 48 hours of the window as it always does. Looks like we've got Mitrovich from Newcastle lined up, not sure that is a good trade off and not sure why Newcastle would strengthen a rival but time will tell.
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maybe just maybe, a deal is agreed in principle, however we have to get a replacement sorted before it can be finalised. Now we appear to be finalising Al Gabr this might signal the Evans deal being done.
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It's true about Jonny leaving for £3 mill if we are relegated.
This is different to what come out of the chairman’s mouth
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This is different to what come out of the chairman’s mouth
What has Williams said regarding this?
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What has Williams said regarding this?
williams wouldnt know if it smacked him in the face useless twonk same as hammond and the rest of them
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It's true about Jonny leaving for £3 mill if we are relegated.
That leak if true could probably cost Albion 8-10 million. City and Arsenal seem to Be ready to spend on other reinforcements, if true I can see Evans ending up even at Leicester or Everton for a knock down price.
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What has Williams said regarding this?
In a meeting with supporters before the Brighton game he stated that 2 players have relegation release clauses but the figure is more than what we paid for them
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City in talks with Bilbao over Laporte For 60m...
That leaves united/Arsenal?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/23/pierre-emerick-aubameyang-not-arsenals-january-transfer-target/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Arsenal now favourites
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/23/pierre-emerick-aubameyang-not-arsenals-january-transfer-target/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Arsenal now favourites
They seem partial to a swap deal, chambers was very good for M'boro last season
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http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/920919481?-11200:789
Arsenal by Sunday
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20m is dirt cheap and doesn't really give us much to spend on other players.
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20m is dirt cheap and doesn't really give us much to spend on other players.
Its more about the wages it frees up rather than the transfer fee but agree, he's a steal at that price
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But its 20 million to spend on one player,a striker.
Or Mitrovic and Chicorita? 20 mill would get both.
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20m is dirt cheap and doesn't really give us much to spend on other players.
We got him for a steal as well so what goes around comes around. If he goes for that price I hope it is cash up front and not some staged payment arrangement. Very sad but we need the cash and its not as though we are weak in this area thanks to Tone.......just hope we spend it wisely on a striker :-[
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http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/920919481?-11200:789
Arsenal by Sunday
They are only saying Sunday because Pardew said he will only let him go if he has atleast 3 days after the Evans sale to get players in.
Will be final day of the window with the luck we have.
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A lot of noise from various Arsenal sources suggesting that Evans deal is all but done
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A lot of noise from various Arsenal sources suggesting that Evans deal is all but done
Its a shame we have to sell our best player to stand a chance of staying up, but hey ho thats whats happens when you take a big gamble in the summer (also known as showing ambition ;D ) and it doesn't pay off.
Just hope we dont fritter our gains from this away.
Fingers crossed eh?
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Its a shame we have to sell our best player to stand a chance of staying up, but hey ho thats whats happens when you take a big gamble in the summer (also known as showing ambition ;D ) and it doesn't pay off.
Just hope we dont fritter our gains from this away.
Fingers crossed eh?
No it's because of a lack of ambition, extending and improving the contracts of people like HRK because they 'do a job'.
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No it's because of a lack of ambition, extending and improving the contracts of people like HRK because they 'do a job'.
So you dont think the 5th net spend in the summer was a lack of ambition? ;D ;D ;D
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No it's because of a lack of ambition, extending and improving the contracts of people like HRK because they 'do a job'.
It’s called PULIS the club backed the manager, you can’t knock that
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Its a shame we have to sell our best player to stand a chance of staying up, but hey ho thats whats happens when you take a big gamble in the summer (also known as showing ambition ;D ) and it doesn't pay off.
Just hope we dont fritter our gains from this away.
Fingers crossed eh?
No doubt Evans is a good footballer, but I have never been convinced by his defensive reliability, he has lapses, I'm far from convinced he will be missed that much so its good business.
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I've never heard a Utd fan sing his praises and there a few round here
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you're about to see how important he is to us if he goes.
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It’s goals that will keeep us up I believe. I think we have a defence that is mean according to others at the bottom half so goals is what we need . I would sacrifice EVANS for a forward that can score a few goals. Hurts. To say but is reality I think.
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I can understand the thinking but i can't help but think this is a suicidal move. Our leader, our best player gone.
For all the talk about needing a striker 'who can score goals' the chances of actually getting one who can come in, settle quickly & score goals straight off the bat are pretty slim IMO. I honestly think our front third, especially Rondon, can & will do the job this back half of the year for us.
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I hope this goes through quickly now, after all the talk, and with Evans very politely making it clear he wants to go somewhere bigger, if it falls through it won't be good for the team during the run in.
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The waiting game has played into Arsenal’s hands with the £3 clause and City’s now apparent lack of interest. I would think they are looking at a deal of around £15 m now which we should resist and keep him, relying on a couple of Loan players. Can’t see many of our others players being of much interest to other clubs. If Pardew gets us out of this hole he deserves a medal and more!
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The waiting game has played into Arsenal’s hands with the £3 clause and City’s now apparent lack of interest. I would think they are looking at a deal of around £15 m now which we should resist and keep him, relying on a couple of Loan players. Can’t see many of our others players being of much interest to other clubs. If Pardew gets us out of this hole he deserves a medal and more!
A couple of loan players can’t come in unless they’re on very low wages. We’re led to believe the issue with needing to sell Evans isn’t for the fee it’s the wages it frees up.
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I can’t see why we can’t get round the wages for loan players by offering to cover the wages in a higher loan fee.
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I can’t see why we can’t get round the wages for loan players by offering to cover the wages in a higher loan fee.
The loans will only be for 4 months so the overall additional figure would be £1.5 - £2 m, if FFP rules can’t accomodate that, severe questions need to be asked.
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I can’t see why we can’t get round the wages for loan players by offering to cover the wages in a higher loan fee.
You are right mate.Where this a will, there is always a way.
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With Man City seemingly no longer interested in Jonny because they look likely to sign Aymeric Laporte, things are much more difficult for us now. Arsenal know we need to sell before we can buy and it would seem unlikely that he'd want to go to Leicester, assuming they are actually interested in him.
Therefore, Arsenal hold all the aces. They can string things out as late as possible and might even not take any notice of the deadline that AP has mentioned. They'd hope to be able to get away with an offer later than that, on the basis that we'll agree to it because it might unsettle Jonny if we rejected it.
All our eggs seem to be in the Jonny Evans basket and it's a really uncomfortable place to be in. As we don't have a huge squad, I'm struggling to understand why we're seemingly the only ones who are at the FFP wages limit? I suppose others might be too, but haven't gone public to mention their predicament. Ultimately, though, you have to wonder just who FFP is actually being "fair" to?
With just 5 days of the window left, announcing our poverty to all and sundry doesn't seem like the greatest thing to have done just at the moment.
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I can’t see why we can’t get round the wages for loan players by offering to cover the wages in a higher loan fee.
for some reason we dont seem to be willing to try anything its evans going or nothing
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I heard the other day on Talksport that we are paying Krychowiak's full £100,000 a week wages. So that's a massive dent in our wages regarding FFP
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Again I’ll go back to the meeting with the Chairman before the Brighton game. He said we have money for wages but the fees are a stumbling block as the owner is willing to provide funds but is struggling to get the money out of China due to the Chinese government putting a stop on money leaving the country
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Again I’ll go back to the meeting with the Chairman before the Brighton game. He said we have money for wages but the fees are a stumbling block as the owner is willing to provide funds but is struggling to get the money out of China due to the Chinese government putting a stop on money leaving the country
he may aswell sell up then
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when AP said we wouldn't sell Evans late ... WHEN is "late", exactly? Asking for a friend who points out today is January 25th.
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Again I’ll go back to the meeting with the Chairman before the Brighton game. He said we have money for wages but the fees are a stumbling block as the owner is willing to provide funds but is struggling to get the money out of China due to the Chinese government putting a stop on money leaving the country
Well if this is the case how are the Villa and Wolves chairmen getting their money out of China?
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With Man City seemingly no longer interested in Jonny because they look likely to sign Aymeric Laporte, things are much more difficult for us know. Arsenal know we need to sell before we can buy and it would seem unlikely that he'd want to go to Leicester, assuming they are actually interested in him.
Therefore, Arsenal hold all the aces. They can string things out as late as possible and might even not take any notice of the deadline that AP has mentioned. They'd hope to be able to get away with an offer later than that, on the b asis that we'll agree to it because it might unsettle Jonny if we rejected it.
All our eggs seem to be in the Jonny Evans basket and it's a really uncomfortable place to be in. As we don't have a huge squad, I'm struggling to understand why we're seemingly the only ones who are at the FFP wages limit? I suppose others might be too, but haven't gone public to mention their predicament. Ultimately, though, you have to wonder just who FFP is actually being "fair" to?
With just 5 days of the window left, announcing our poverty to all and sundry doesn't seem like the greatest thing to have done just at the moment.
Said it the other day,Palace you would think have a wave bill just as large as ours and yet still signing and bidding for players.How are they capable and we are hamstrung .do they really raise that much more revenue than us?
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We are hamstrung because the owner and chairman want us to be. Ffp is their excuse not to spend
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Newswires suggesting Arsenal are now interested in Chris Smalling. Can't see them wanting Evans as well, and not sure that United will go for Evans.
Could be Leicester for Evans....Slimani anyone?
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Well if this is the case how are the Villa and Wolves chairmen getting their money out of China?
Not a clue pal, just going off what was said at the meeting
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We are hamstrung because the owner and chairman want us to be. Ffp is their excuse not to spend
code for owner has got foooook all money. >:( Peace has a lot to answer for.
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10m plus Debuchy, or is the press making up stuff when bored?
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10m plus Debuchy, or is the press making up stuff when bored?
you’d expect of true that deal has no legs at all, any swap deal needs atleast 15mil cash.
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Pardew Interview according to SKy Sports;
PARDEW CAGEY ON EVANS FUTURE
Reporters have wasted little time getting stuck into Alan Pardew on the subject of Jonny Evans' future at West Brom.
The player has been heavily linked with a move to Arsenal in this window, so what does Pardew make of it all?
"The Arsenal deal is paper talk, someone has released that and it's not true. Jonny is still at the football club and we've not had a bid put to us which is anywhere near acceptable.
"We might sell if the price is right. We’ve had a couple of enquiries of what we would be looking for, and the answer has been ‘we're not going to tell you’.
"You make a bid and you'll get some gauge. We don’t really want to sell Jonny but we’ll see."
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Well if this is the case how are the Villa and Wolves chairmen getting their money out of China?
They do it when the customs official isn't "Peking"
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you’d expect of true that deal has no legs at all, any swap deal needs atleast 15mil cash.
Sanchez and mhiki was a straight swap with no cash..
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Sanchez and mhiki was a straight swap with no cash..
Presume he means in the case of Evans, not ANY swap deal.
On Sanchez/Mkhitaryan one had 6 months left on their contract the other about 3.5 years, so the value of the two players balanced out what with Sanchez being a far better player.
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10m plus Debuchy, or is the press making up stuff when bored?
Swap a 30 year old for a 32 year old and a bit of cash we can't do much with. What a deal ;D
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Swap a 30 year old for a 32 year old and a bit of cash we can't do much with. What a deal ;D
idiots been told to get realistic if they want jonny
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10m plus Debuchy, or is the press making up stuff when bored?
Hope Arsenal get told to get serious. How many goals or assists is Debuchy going to provide this season? We badly need goals to win games. Getting 0-0 score draws is not going to be enough. We are too reliant on Rondon, Jay Rod and HRK.
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Hope Arsenal get told to get serious. How many goals or assists is Debuchy going to provide this season? We badly need goals to win games. Getting 0-0 score draws is not going to be enough. We are too reliant on Rondon, Jay Rod and HRK.
Debuchy would go to RB , Dawson moves inside , IMO Dawson is more of a goal threat than Evans , and would be more so if he didn't have to run up and down the right flank.
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Debuchy would go to RB , Dawson moves inside , IMO Dawson is more of a goal threat than Evans , and would be more so if he didn't have to run up and down the right flank.
If Debuchy is part of the deal, that's £10 million or so off of Evans's sale price, so we can only afford a makeweight striker. Whereas we need to find a quality striker who will make a difference and reduce the pressure on Rondon, JayRod and HRK to score.
In my view we would still have enough defenders with Nyom, Macauley and the extra Egyptian guy on loan.
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Debuchy isn't even worth anything, the only reason he's still at Arsenal is no one will take him on at his current wages. He's 32 and barely played for pretty much 3 years.
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What a terrible deal that would be. can you see Debuchy getting and staying match fit and offering credible quality at RB? No nor me. Terrible idea. Might as well keep Johnny.
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£10m for Debuchy? Wouldn’t even be sure about him on a free.
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If he has injured his hamstring, it could be a very quiet end to the transfer window for us.
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If he has injured his hamstrung, it could be a very quiet end to the transfer window for us.
Hope we keep him. Use our last £50k wages on a loanee attacker to push HRK further down the pecking order and I'm happy.
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Well if this is the case how are the Villa and Wolves chairmen getting their money out of China?
Think the Villa blokes business is Hong Kong based which has different rules and Fosun are a multi national company with Mendez as frontman and he I believe is Portuguese so probably funds for the Wolves are being channelled from else where
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Evans doesn't want to play for us. You can see that by his attitude with marking and tracking the oppositions' attacker.
He tackles when it is too late and just on the penalty area line, thus giving it to the opposition to score.
Why he is captain, I do not know.
Liverpool could do with a new defence...Offer him to them.
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I cant see evans going anywhere after he started lastnight . I think he will still be a west brom player feb 2nd
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Evans doesn't want to play for us. You can see that by his attitude with marking and tracking the oppositions' attacker.
He tackles when it is too late and just on the penalty area line, thus giving it to the opposition to score.
Why he is captain, I do not know.
Liverpool could do with a new defence...Offer him to them.
Don't agree at all. He's been a model professional. There may be weaknesses in his game but its nothing to do with whether he wants to play for us or not.
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Did I miss something or did Pardew not say in his post match interview that we are looking to bring in a STRIKER before wednesday, not a right back ????? Any deal involving Evans will be for a striker, not a defender ::)
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Evans doesn't want to play for us. You can see that by his attitude with marking and tracking the oppositions' attacker.
He tackles when it is too late and just on the penalty area line, thus giving it to the opposition to score.
Why he is captain, I do not know.
Liverpool could do with a new defence...Offer him to them.
As soon I read the first line I knew who the author was. You love him really don’t you DB???😉
Don’t agree with you for one second. He is a true professional and a class player.
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Evans won't be going anywhere. The only club left in for him would be Arsenal and I don't see them paying upwards of £20m for a 30 year old centre back. They'll be more concerned with getting another attacking player in more than anything.
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Evans won't be going anywhere. The only club left in for him would be Arsenal and I don't see them paying upwards of £20m for a 30 year old centre back. They'll be more concerned with getting another attacking player in more than anything.
Disagree
Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Spurs and foreign clubs will be monitoring and will be in if they think they can get for 15-17 and/or he's willing
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As soon I read the first line I knew who the author was. You love him really don’t you DB???😉
Don’t agree with you for one second. He is a true professional and a class player.
He keeps proving me right, that he is useless.
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Am I the only one who can see Evans staying past the deadline? I can't see us selling our best defender now regardless of Ali Gabr joining. I think the club are probably hoping to sell some players on the fringes to free up the wage bill such as Yacob, Burke, Livermore, Mcclean,
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Am I the only one who can see Evans staying past the deadline? I can't see us selling our best defender now regardless of Ali Gabr joining. I think the club are probably hoping to sell some players on the fringes to free up the wage bill such as Yacob, Burke, Livermore, Mcclean,
No, I am thinking the exact same. And provided Burke only left on loan I'm happy for all 4 aforementioned players to leave this window
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No, I am thinking the exact same. And provided Burke only left on loan I'm happy for all 4 aforementioned players to leave this window
I am also thinking the same and it would make sense as to why we won’t let field out on loan.... I think CY or JL may Ben off. as for McLean or Burke it depends on how Close Chadli is I think
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I do think if Gabr passes his medical then Evans will be on his way. Personally I don't think we'll miss Evans as much as some think. This season his performances have been error strewn and it's obvious that he has his mind elsewhere. He has been at fault for a number of goals this season. He doesn't get criticised by fans as much because many believe the "he's our best player" hype.
I'm confident that we will use the money to fund a striker coming in. I wouldn't be too pleased if it was Deeney but he would be an improvement on Robson-Kanu and will get my full support. I would prefer us to go for a striker in the Odemwingie mould who could create his own chances but also compliment Rondon and Rodriguez. At any rate with HRK's injury we are down to 2 fit strikers so we need a striker in.
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I think JE has always had mistakes / lapses in his game, hence some of the "focus" he came under at ManU,
when he arrived he was so far superior to anyone else we had at the back we didn't see these so batantly, however the advent of Hegazi, GMac's amazing consistency & Dawsons / Gibbs contributions are all factors which have perhaps highlighted some of the deficiencies.
I think we will miss JE, how much depends upon how quickly and well Ali Gabr integrates, which will be unlikely to bear fruit until next season at best.
I think we can only let JE go if the offer is so good its a no brainer (unlikely now) or a top quality forward (not Deeney) becomes available and we have no alternative (FFP).
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I have a feeling Evans will stay now.
If/ when he does go, we will miss him more from the perspective of him helping to get moves going from the back rather than his defending. This is the quality I think Arsenal and maybe City were / are interested in considering there are likely many better out and out defenders out there.
A team such as us doesn't need a graceful, ball playing centre back so we'd be ok when he left provided the midfield is ticking over which is beginning to be the case since Greg has finally hit some form.
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I can see him staying too.
If you were Arsenal/Man City and you had been scouting him since the interest in August, you wouldn't be desperate to come in for him based on his performances, they certainly haven't been up to the standard they were last season. I do really rate Evans and maybe if he gets the move his focus will return and he will get back to how he was performing last season, it could be the fact his head was turned that has lead to his performances thus far, but it would be a lot of money for them to spend to bring him in.
I partially blame him for the goal on Saturday, also partially blaming Foster, but the pass from Brunt was awful and I feel he has escaped blame somewhat thus far. It was too heavy for Evans and underhit for a back pass to Foster, thus causing the dilemma in the first place. That said JE should have carried on heading back and either passed it back to Foster or stuck it out for a throw in.
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I do think if Gabr passes his medical then Evans will be on his way. Personally I don't think we'll miss Evans as much as some think. This season his performances have been error strewn and it's obvious that he has his mind elsewhere. He has been at fault for a number of goals this season. He doesn't get criticised by fans as much because many believe the "he's our best player" hype.
I'm confident that we will use the money to fund a striker coming in. I wouldn't be too pleased if it was Deeney but he would be an improvement on Robson-Kanu and will get my full support. I would prefer us to go for a striker in the Odemwingie mould who could create his own chances but also compliment Rondon and Rodriguez. At any rate with HRK's injury we are down to 2 fit strikers so we need a striker in.
Don't understand this line of thinking. Both Hegazi and Gibbs have cost us more goals than Evans this season.
Can only assume people are happy for him to leave as he's the only high value saleable asset.
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I hope he stays, we are starting to look a decent team so wouldn't want to see it being dismantled.sooner go with what we've got than sell Evans and hopefully not waste £15m+ on Deeney.any other club selling its better players when in a relegation scrap would get criticism .
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I hope he stays, we are starting to look a decent team so wouldn't want to see it being dismantled.sooner go with what we've got than sell Evans and hopefully not waste £15m+ on Deeney.any other club selling its better players when in a relegation scrap would get criticism .
If it is a case of keep Evans and sign no one else, or sell Evans and only sign Deeney, I would be keeping Evans all day long.
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I hope he stays, we are starting to look a decent team so wouldn't want to see it being dismantled.sooner go with what we've got than sell Evans and hopefully not waste £15m+ on Deeney.any other club selling its better players when in a relegation scrap would get criticism .
Agree, if we can keep him, get Chadli fit and bring in a couple of loans I would be happy with that.
Evans is one of our better players so we should be holding on if at all possible. If we have to sell to strengthen then so be it but with Rondon and Rodriguez showing good form we may be able to resist.
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Its so obvious that
Continuous improvement has to be the way forward, you don't improve selling your best players and keeping the average / worse players.
If we had no "less capable" players (bit of an oxymoron, I know) then we would be in a position to let the squad be upgraded by getting younger players or players with different skills as required.
However when we have some obviously less capable players we need to ship them out first definitely not give them new contracts.
I fail to see how this logic can be argued with.
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Don't understand this line of thinking. Both Hegazi and Gibbs have cost us more goals than Evans this season.
Can only assume people are happy for him to leave as he's the only high value saleable asset.
Perhaps, but blame for goals is often the perception of the fan though, as an example many have blamed Gibbs for Evertons equaliser but Brunt for me is equally, if not more, to blame and interestingly the commentator on MOTD and some reporters have also laid the blame with Brunt. As I say it's all about opinions. McClean got blamed by many on here (including you) for the goal against Spurs when it was clearly Evans sleeping while Kane just tapped in unchallenged in front of him that was at fault.
Yes he is a high value saleable asset and that (coupled with his drop in form) is why we should cash in on him.
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Most news outlets saying no-one will pay the 20 million wanted, so looks like he is staying...
Does this mean we therefore do not sign a striker?
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Most news outlets saying no-one will pay the 20 million wanted, so looks like he is staying...
Does this mean we therefore do not sign a striker?
It means we have to sell someone else, Livermore, McClean perhaps.
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Honestly can't see him going anywhere now. Somehow it looks as though we have managed to keep hold of him for a second turbulent window full of media speculation. Let's just hope I'm not proved wrong in these next 48 hours.
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On the face of it we can't ship in Sturridges £120k a week wages and keep Evans. So logically Evans will be sold in the next couple of days.
Unless
a) we sell other players but whatever you think of Livermore or McClean selling both could leave us short of bodies down the home stretch (we have at least signed Gabir as defensive cover).
Or
b) we have structured the loan deal with Sturridge in a way that means that Liverpool pay his wages and we pay Liverpool by means of a loan fee. There is no restriction on the loan fees we can pay and there is no financial reason why the club couldn't pay £10m for this arrangement. This is a bit of a loophole in the Premier League FFP rules
Whatever the outcome I think Evans will leave in the summer for a relatively small fee i.e around £15m
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I hope he stays.
Our spine is very strong with Ben, Evans and Sturridge all experienced internationals,great stuff.
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On the face of it we can't ship in Sturridges £120k a week wages and keep Evans. So logically Evans will be sold in the next couple of days.
Unless
a) we sell other players but whatever you think of Livermore or McClean selling both could leave us short of bodies down the home stretch (we have at least signed Gabir as defensive cover).
Or
b) we have structured the loan deal with Sturridge in a way that means that Liverpool pay his wages and we pay Liverpool by means of a loan fee. There is no restriction on the loan fees we can pay and there is no financial reason why the club couldn't pay £10m for this arrangement. This is a bit of a loophole in the Premier League FFP rules
Whatever the outcome I think Evans will leave in the summer for a relatively small fee i.e around £15m
On Twitter last night it said Albion had given the cost if the wags to Liverpool in a loan fee to get round ffp
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Don't understand this line of thinking. Both Hegazi and Gibbs have cost us more goals than Evans this season.
Can only assume people are happy for him to leave as he's the only high value saleable asset.
Rondon's saleable value is at least as much as Evans' I would have thought,
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Rondon's saleable value is at least as much as Evans' I would have thought,
Agree but he's not for sale. We're trying to get strikers in not ship them out. Unless it's Kanu.
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Interesting the Liverpool echo are running a report that loaning Sturridge to us has undermined Arsenals plans to buy Evans as his fee would of been used to buy a new striker and that's not needed anymore. We also need to play all the top 4 once more. Probably nothing but speculation but still interesting.
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Few rumours Arsenal will come in for a late bid once they sell giroud
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Few rumours Arsenal will come in for a late bid once they sell giroud
if that is the case i would argue that the price for Evans has actually increased form what it was last week.
it seems that we no longer need to sell to get a striker in and the team is looking stronger and potentially better prepared to avoid relegation. Hopefully once again Arsene's procrastination is going to cost him more ££££
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big test of Johnnys character now, is he
a) disappointed and head drops
b) inebriated off and stops trying
c) professional and keeps performing
i think its the latter from what we have seen to date.
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We either stay up sell him for 15m as 12 months left
Or go down and lose him for 3m..
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big test of Johnnys character now, is he
a) disappointed and head drops
b) inebriated off and stops trying
c) professional and keeps performing
i think its the latter from what we have seen to date.
I agree and I don't think his attitude will be an issue. From the noises coming out of the club he has not asked to leave or cause a single bit of trouble..... He is one of the last true Fergie professionals and I think we can almost guarantee he will continue to captain our great club with honour and respect until such a point that someone comes to him and says "we have accepted a bid".
I still think arsenal and possible Everton or Leicester will play silly buggers tomorrow though
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My money is on Leicester, especially if they sell Mahrez
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Nobody will pay what Leicester want imo
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We either stay up sell him for 15m as 12 months left
Or go down and lose him for 3m..
I suppose the question is, could we buy a better defender for less than £12m? I doubt it.
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I agree and I don't think his attitude will be an issue. From the noises coming out of the club he has not asked to leave or cause a single bit of trouble..... He is one of the last true Fergie professionals and I think we can almost guarantee he will continue to captain our great club with honour and respect until such a point that someone comes to him and says "we have accepted a bid".
I still think arsenal and possible Everton or Leicester will play silly buggers tomorrow though
Unless the money is needed to balance the books, I hope Albion tells them all to get lost if they leave it this late to approach Evans.
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Unless the money is needed to balance the books, I hope Albion tells them all to get lost if they leave it this late to approach Evans.
Agreed, Arsenal especially seem to be cheapskates considering the size of the club and wanted Evans on the cheap.
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Unless the money is needed to balance the books, I hope Albion tells them all to get lost if they leave it this late to approach Evans.
Me to.
I would never hold back any player who wish's to leave our club we should allow them to even if it weakens us has a squad but in Johnny's case that's not the case so I would wish him well if a move came off
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Sky sports doing their best to sell Evans for us, ::)
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Oh Sky NOOOOOOO
Oh Arsenam NOOOOOOO
Rob Dorsett
†@RobDorsettSky
2m2 minutes ago
Understand #afc made a late approach to #wbafc this afternoon for Jonny Evans, but discussions didn’t last long, as what Arsenal were prepared to pay was well below what would interest Albion. Looks like #afc spent their funds elsewhere.
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It will be interesting to find out how much we were asking and what moneybags Arsenal were prepared to pay. In any event I am delighted that Johnny is staying with us. Get him on a new contract now.
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It will be interesting to find out how much we were asking and what moneybags Arsenal were prepared to pay. In any event I am delighted that Johnny is staying with us. Get him on a new contract now.
I'd like to think as soon as Sturridge came through the door the price was set at £30-35 million
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I'd like to think as soon as Sturridge came through the door the price was set at £30-35 million
Exactly my thoughts too. Played a blinder we have if tonight passes and Evans is still here.
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It will be interesting to find out how much we were asking and what moneybags Arsenal were prepared to pay. In any event I am delighted that Johnny is staying with us. Get him on a new contract now.
12Million is the figure being bandied about,cheapskates!!.
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Left out of the squad tonight...
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He’s not in the squad tonight. Injured or something more suspicious?
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Pardew just on Sky saying both Evans and Livermore out with hamstrings
No mystery tonight they are at home and they won’t be on the TV at 10:30 in the transfer ticker
Just out injured
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He was limping at the end of the Liverpool game, injured?
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Were Arsenal taking the proverbial with their derisory offer for Evans? It seems like that. Cheeky gits.
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Were Arsenal taking the proverbial with their derisory offer for Evans? It seems like that. Cheeky gits.
Arsenal would have definitely won league titles in recent years if they weren't so tight with spending their cash.
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Read an interview with Alan Pardew earlier which suggests Jonny Evans has tweaked a nerve in his back.
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Were Arsenal taking the proverbial with their derisory offer for Evans? It seems like that. Cheeky gits.
or maybe they thought if we offer them 4 times what he'll go for when they go down, they might sell him now?
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Unless his contract says we have to sell him to the first club to bid 3m, which would be mad, there'll still be many bids for him. We might not get 25m, but we'll get more than 12m.
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Unless his contract says we have to sell him to the first club to bid 3m, which would be mad, there'll still be many bids for him. We might not get 25m, but we'll get more than 12m.
That's not how a release clause works. 10 clubs could all bid £3 million and we would have to accept them all, then Evans would go where he gets the best terms.
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Agree. we will only get 3mio...any excess over that from rival clubs competing for him goes to evans in the form of signing on fee or wages.
Arsenals 12 mio bid was made with the 3mio clause in mind - by the end of the season we will likely regret not taking it.
Also have to question how motivated Evans is to avoid teh drop - he leaves the next week with 10 to 20 mio quid in his pocket - now thats what I call a silver lining!
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Agree. we will only get 3mio...any excess over that from rival clubs competing for him goes to evans in the form of signing on fee or wages.
Arsenals 12 mio bid was made with the 3mio clause in mind - by the end of the season we will likely regret not taking it.
Also have to question how motivated Evans is to avoid teh drop - he leaves the next week with 10 to 20 mio quid in his pocket - now thats what I call a silver lining!
Already we have seen him at his best for only a handful of games this season.
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He's an average player but is generally consistent. But... IMO I think he's been ready to move on for a while now and his performances are gradually declining. Seems to pick up a lot of of niggling injuries suddenly. So if we assume the inevitable happens and we go down its 3 mil and goodbye Jonny. A lot of fans may fear that but I don't, I look forward to the next team finding out he isn't all that and they are paying a fortune in wages, just like we are, for an average player. My prediction is he'll be warming a bench before Christmas.
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He's an average player but is generally consistent. But... IMO I think he's been ready to move on for a while now and his performances are gradually declining. Seems to pick up a lot of of niggling injuries suddenly. So if we assume the inevitable happens and we go down its 3 mil and goodbye Jonny. A lot of fans may fear that but I don't, I look forward to the next team finding out he isn't all that and they are paying a fortune in wages, just like we are, for an average player. My prediction is he'll be warming a bench before Christmas.
When centre backs go they drop a little then drop a lot quickly, lescott being a prime example, for me if we stay up he should leave, if we drop he will probably want to anyway
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Calling Evans an "average" player is ridiculous. He's a top class premier league defender... end of.
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Calling Evans an "average" player is ridiculous. He's a top class premier league defender... end of.
Evans has been distinctly average this season. When he leaves us at the end of the season I'd be amazed if he ends up at a top side unless it's as a bench warmer. I just can't see him playing regularly at Man City, Chelsea, Spurs or even Arsenal or Liverpool and they are both awful at the back.
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Evans has been distinctly average this season. When he leaves us at the end of the season I'd be amazed if he ends up at a top side unless it's as a bench warmer. I just can't see him playing regularly at Man City, Chelsea, Spurs or even Arsenal or Liverpool and they are both awful at the back.
He would walk into Arsenal or Liverpool's back line.
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He would walk into Arsenal or Liverpool's back line.
I disagree I think he would walk onto their benches. Liverpool didn't even bid for him even though he was available in the Summer choosing to waste £75M on Van Dijk rather than spend around £30M on Evans, Arsenal have reportedly bid around £12M, an amount they knew we'd refuse, so just how much do they want him? Not much it seems.
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Sorry if this has already been said.
When Leicester sold Kante to Chelsea his release clause was £20 million the contract was structured so they could accept bids over that amount which is why Chelsea paid £30 mil. Ibthink there will be more than 1 club interested in Evans and the fee will be more than £3 million.
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Sorry if this has already been said.
When Leicester sold Kante to Chelsea his release clause was £20 million the contract was structured so they could accept bids over that amount which is why Chelsea paid £30 mil. Ibthink there will be more than 1 club interested in Evans and the fee will be more than £3 million.
The way that clause was structured it stated they only had to accept the highest bid over the clause amount. A Chinese club bid nearly £30m so Chelsea had to either match it or offer more. I have absolutely no idea if the Evans clause is the same and even if it was we would need a mini bidding war to develop and I have my doubts that it would.
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I disagree I think he would walk onto their benches. Liverpool didn't even bid for him even though he was available in the Summer choosing to waste £75M on Van Dijk rather than spend around £30M on Evans, Arsenal have reportedly bid around £12, an amount they knew we'd refuse, so just how much do they want him? Not much it seems.
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£12 wouldn't buy me let alone Evans. :)
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£12 wouldn't buy me let alone Evans. :)
That was to cover his taxi fare ;)
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£12 wouldn't buy me let alone Evans. :)
oops! Amended now.
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disappointing if he's reinstated as captain, in his capacity he should be a role model not getting involved in silly pranks but where's the leadership in the club? the club is bigger than one man and should send out the message that it condones the behaviour of the Barcelona four. whole fibre of life is based on right/wrong and reward/punish, I don't want him hung drawn & quartered but just hitting the players in the pocket with fines isn't the correct way to respond to them for embarrassing the club.
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Wenger certainly knew what he was doing...30 million ..we must have been having a laugh...just about worth the 3 million built in to his contract..
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Never a captain as long as he has a hole up his ass
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He's a decent passer of the ball and has quality. But he's what all our players should be as absolute minimum.
He's not a leader at all. This shows you how far we have fallen.
I can't believe man city and arsenal were sniffing round him.
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Evans the same as a few of them (Livermore, Barry, Krychowiak, Philips, Gibbs) probably already onto his agent to source another poor premier league team to source an unbelievable wage from. Mercenaries
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hasn`t shown up all season the Man Utd reject.
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Evans the same as a few of them (Livermore, Barry, Krychowiak, Philips, Gibbs) probably already onto his agent to source another poor premier league team to source an unbelievable wage from. Mercenaries
Krychowiak aside, which just didn't work out, the others are in the "oh that's where they are now" category, same mistake Bolton, Blackburn, Porstmouth, Wigan made, thinking if you fill your boots with players who've bin there you'll be OK.
Back to the drawing board, get a young manager in, clear them out and build a team who give a sh*t.
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Obviously knows he can just walk away at the end of the season to another bottom half club and continue to pick up his massive wage.
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It's all good and well saying we should of took the high offers for Evans of previous windows but at those stages he was a pivotal part of this squad who would of been near enough impossible to replace. Football is a sport of ifs nuts and maybes.
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Krychowiak aside, which just didn't work out, the others are in the "oh that's where they are now" category, same mistake Bolton, Blackburn, Porstmouth, Wigan made, thinking if you fill your boots with players who've bin there you'll be OK.
Back to the drawing board, get a young manager in, clear them out and build a team who give a sh*t.
Yes, the frustrating thing is these signings are so un-Albion over the past 10 years and evidence why we had a model in the first place where a Pulis type overarching 'manager' couldn't come in and spunk loads of cash on has beens or a never will be (e.g. Bruce, Allardtce, Pardew etc etc).
It's simple going forward , get rid of Hammond and tighten the recruitment process again for whoever comes in similar to Watford which is how we used to operate.
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A good defender but someone who has been well below his previous standards.
He epitomises a modern day footballer at the moment. An horrendous attitude but will bugger off at the end of the season and walk in to another comfortable paid job elsewhere.
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It's all good and well saying we should of took the high offers for Evans of previous windows but at those stages he was a pivotal part of this squad who would of been near enough impossible to replace. Football is a sport of ifs nuts and maybes.
Did you mean Divs, nuts and babies?
I agree
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Did you mean Divs, nuts and babies?
I agree
Ifs Buts and Maybe''s i'my guessing When Evans Leaves I wonder how much a Taxi fare To North London is 😉 Maybe about £12 million maybe that's why he stole one he couldn't pay him 😉
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West Ham interested at £3M .................... they deserve each other.
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West Ham interested at £3M .................... they deserve each other.
From Man City to West Ham. You couldn't make it up could you. Like you say they deserve eachother.
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Elegant player, looks the part but always has a mistake in him, never really rated him and one of the key reasons we are where we are.
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When I said he wasn't actually that good, people refused to see my points. Now we're seeing him exposed, and people are realising maybe he isn't that good.
I'd like to be smug, but he's one of the reasons we're going down. Not professional enough, and hasn't taken any responsibility since being made captain.
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When I said he wasn't actually that good, people refused to see my points. Now we're seeing him exposed, and people are realising maybe he isn't that good.
I'd like to be smug, but he's one of the reasons we're going down. Not professional enough, and hasn't taken any responsibility since being made captain.
He is good, but living proof that you don't necessarily make your best player captain, just because he's your best player. Remember Botham and Brierly??
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:( In all honesty I thought Evans "dropped the ball" (pardon the pun) when Fletcher (his mate went to the Clayheads).
We also won our first couple of the games of the season without him. Obviously has not got Albion at heart...hence the 50% performances and injuries he seems to get constantly.
Not a good Captain choice...should be Brunt everyday as our Captain.
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As a lot on here will have already noticed....I have never rated Evans, since he came to us.
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Let's not be silly Evans wouldn't be linked with 25 million pound transfers if he wasn't all that. This has been a bad season and he'll go for 3 million but he's not been remotely responsible for us going down with Gibbs Hegazi and Dawson far more culpable. Another easy target for the small time Albion fans.
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If he goes he goes.
There's other players I'd be far more upset over if they leave.
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Exactly how does this 3m clause work?
A club bids 3m say and he says no could it end in a bidding war or will they all bid 3m until he fancies one of them,?
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Exactly how does this 3m clause work?
A club bids 3m say and he says no could it end in a bidding war or will they all bid 3m until he fancies one of them,?
It depends on exactly how the clause is stated, but worst case, multiple teams bid £3 million, then he picks the one that give him the best offer in terms of contract etc. No bidding war, just straight up "pay £3 million to speak to the player"
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Let's not be silly Evans wouldn't be linked with 25 million pound transfers if he wasn't all that. This has been a bad season and he'll go for 3 million but he's not been remotely responsible for us going down with Gibbs Hegazi and Dawson far more culpable. Another easy target for the small time Albion fans.
care to explain what you mean by that?
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It depends on exactly how the clause is stated, but worst case, multiple teams bid £3 million, then he picks the one that give him the best offer in terms of contract etc. No bidding war, just straight up "pay £3 million to speak to the player"
Bang on. The bidding war will be for his signing on fee, which will go straight in to Evans + his agents back pocket.
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something definitely changed with JE, last season he was quality and a contender for our best player, I doubt anyone would argue with that
This season has been very inconsistent and the mistakes which characterised his man utd career have returned, why?
Fletch going?, Partnership with GMac defunct? Ageing? Commitment? Character? Playing with injuries, Its likely to be a combination of all of these factors.
I personally think the contribution of GMac shouldn't be under estimated and I think that I remember that JE was having injections to enable him to play, is that still the case?
When all is said and done if we got back the JE of 2016-17 he would stand out like a beacon in the chumps and would be gone in jan for good money,
That will not happen however, because at £3m he is a fantastic punt for any team outside the top 6 IMO, hence he is gone and we should thank him for the good times, not slag him for performances which we likely never really understand fully.
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something definitely changed with JE, last season he was quality and a contender for our best player, I doubt anyone would argue with that
This season has been very inconsistent and the mistakes which characterised his man utd career have returned, why?
Fletch going?, Partnership with GMac defunct? Ageing? Commitment? Character? Playing with injuries, Its likely to be a combination of all of these factors.
I personally think the contribution of GMac shouldn't be under estimated and I think that I remember that JE was having injections to enable him to play, is that still the case?
When all is said and done if we got back the JE of 2016-17 he would stand out like a beacon in the chumps and would be gone in jan for good money,
That will not happen however, because at £3m he is a fantastic punt for any team outside the top 6 IMO, hence he is gone and we should thank him for the good times, not slag him for performances which we likely never really understand fully.
I agree with your overall point but I think you could add attitude to the list too.
For me there is a difference between slagging a player and criticising their performance and I will continue to do that regardless of who they are if they play badly.
I think it's reasonable to argue that we never know why any player puts in a bad performance though, so should fans be criticising anyone?
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First off, all players should be responsible for their own performances and collectively as a team. This is my main problem with the old 'the manager must go' argument which is all we hear these days. Evans is a player of pedigree and is aware of what's required to play at the top , including attitude-wise. The same can be said for Barry, Krychowiak, Livermore and other players in the team/ squad e.g. Gibbs.
The point is, when their form dips to the point it has this season (individually and collectively) , they deserve criticism or else we're left with a culture of accepting awful performances.
My personal opinion is that Evans wanted/ expected a move and didn't get it so took his eye of the ball (lost focus) and made excuses to himself that he was better than 'this' (Albion). Ironically enough, he's now become a poor premier league player in the process as many of the others have done and so has become the level he wanted to rise above.
I read Scharner's article with interest and you do wonder whether Pulis in making us look down all the time, whilst spending and bringing in players 'of pedigree' actually psychologically turned a few players, like Evans into lower Premier league hoofers.
Time for Evans to begin a long goodbye anyway! Thanks for the memories Jonny
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/22/spurs-consider-triggering-jonny-evans-3m-release-clause-west/
Spurs considering his 3m release clause
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something definitely changed with JE, last season he was quality and a contender for our best player, I doubt anyone would argue with that
This season has been very inconsistent and the mistakes which characterised his man utd career have returned, why?
Fletch going?, Partnership with GMac defunct? Ageing? Commitment? Character? Playing with injuries, Its likely to be a combination of all of these factors.
I personally think the contribution of GMac shouldn't be under estimated and I think that I remember that JE was having injections to enable him to play, is that still the case?
When all is said and done if we got back the JE of 2016-17 he would stand out like a beacon in the chumps and would be gone in jan for good money,
That will not happen however, because at £3m he is a fantastic punt for any team outside the top 6 IMO, hence he is gone and we should thank him for the good times, not slag him for performances which we likely never really understand fully.
It won't be that easy though, his agent will bleed his new club dry for the maximum signing on fee and wages. Anyone that wants him will need deep pockets.
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Regardless what his agent tries for, unless he's an idiot he'll know that Spurs won't break their existing wage structure to sign him though. He would be a relatively cheap addition to their squad strength.
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Regardless what his agent tries for, unless he's an idiot he'll know that Spurs won't break their existing wage structure to sign him though. He would be a relatively cheap addition to their squad strength.
He doesn't have to go to Spurs, there'll be other teams interested
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He doesn't have to go to Spurs, there'll be other teams interested
The fact remains that clubs are not total fools (not usually) and they'll know where Evans is at in his career. The agent will push for a good deal yes but he can only push it so far or interested clubs will walk away and he'll miss out on a deal.
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At £3m there will hardly be any Premier League clubs not interested in Evans a transfer that fall into the the "no brainer" category and probably one of the few that genuinely will be at worst okay. At that price and with wages less than £100k a week the top 6 would all happily sign him as a squad filler. The next tier down would hire him as a starter, where he ends up largely depends on how much game time Evans wants or whether he is content picking up a substantial pay packet for warming the bench.
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Darren Moore said after the game, "Jonny Evans was 'desperate' to play yesterday but couldn't be risked."
I might be delving into the realms of fantasy here and probably am, but if, at the end of the season, Evans stated he wanted to stay with the club and sign a new contract and the new Headcoach wanted him to stay, would we be happy with that?
I for one most certainly would.
But then again pigs might fly ;D
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I would be Ok With not Happy because would he Commit In the Championship but I guess Terry Did but he is 36 after Barcelona And His Recent Performances no Because he is dragged our Clubs History in the mud after Stealing a Taxi Everyone in Barcelona is now thinking West Brom Taxi Stealers. But I guess if he stayed Then our New Manager has an Experienced Pro and it makes it Slightly Easier for us
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A good defender but someone who has been well below his previous standards.
He epitomises a modern day footballer at the moment. An horrendous attitude but will bugger off at the end of the season and walk in to another comfortable paid job elsewhere.
Bang on the money!. Our supposed Club Captain who was one of the 4 who stole the taxi.Please Eff off at the end of the season Jonny.
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Darren Moore said after the game, "Jonny Evans was 'desperate' to play yesterday but couldn't be risked."
I might be delving into the realms of fantasy here and probably am, but if, at the end of the season, Evans stated he wanted to stay with the club and sign a new contract and the new Headcoach wanted him to stay, would we be happy with that?
I for one most certainly would.
But then again pigs might fly ;D
I'd be more happy if he never played for the club again :-*
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Since having his head turned last summer, he's been worse than useless. Longer in fact - most of our wins over the last 13/14 months have come without him in the team.
Get what we can for him in the Summer.
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Done nothing for us this season. Hegazi seems to be getting a lot if stick for not being where Evans should be in a lot of matches. Quite a few result changing goals have come from his area of responsibility. Seems Mr ex Man U might not be a positive inflence at this club so the sooner he goes the better. He is nowhere near irreplaceable.
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What was with the hostile boos from our supporters when Evans came on? Have I missed something?
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What was with the hostile boos from our supporters when Evans came on? Have I missed something?
I presume over the taxi but Myhill and Livermore seemed to have escaped it all.
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I presume over the taxi but Myhill and Livermore seemed to have escaped it all.
He's played since then though hasn't he? Were loads of boos coming from around me today.
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Got to admit, I was really disappointed with the booing, pretty sure I even heard Livermore being boo'd after he'd scored
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Haven't a clue why he is anywhere near the team tbh. Bringing him on was one of the strangest substitutions I've ever seen.
McClean was playing really well up to that point too.
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Got to admit, I was really disappointed with the booing, pretty sure I even heard Livermore being boo'd after he'd scored
The stadium announcer wrongly gave the Goal to Evans and yes that is a first for me hearing a goal scorer being booed. Frankly it is way over the top but I guess it reflects the mutual contempt that player and fans hold each other in.
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Got to admit, I was really disappointed with the booing, pretty sure I even heard Livermore being boo'd after he'd scored
it was announced that Evans had scored was why Livermore coped it
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it was announced that Evans had scored was why Livermore coped it
So have we now got to the point that unpopular players are booed even when they get you back into a game
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So have we now got to the point that unpopular players are booed even when they get you back into a game
No because Evans didn't score.
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Haven't a clue why he is anywhere near the team tbh. Bringing him on was one of the strangest substitutions I've ever seen.
McClean was playing really well up to that point too.
We also scored 2 and drew the game.
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No because Evans didn't score.
I think the point he was trying to make was at that point the crowd believed Evans HAD scored and still booed him.
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The reason he was booed is because he has been pure poison for the club since taxi gate. Many think he should have been stripped of the captaincy there and then and he's looked disinterested when playing for us since around that time too. The only person who will be getting a worse ride than him right now will be Barry - who hopefully never puts the shirt on again.
The reason booing occurred for the goal is because the announcer wrongly (not sure if it wasn't on purpose to be honest to try and get him a cheer) announced that Evans had scored the goal when it had clearly been Livermore - I was momentarily dumbstruck when they said Evans' name as I was certain it was Livermore!
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We also scored 2 and drew the game.
I don't think that had anything to do with bringing Evans on. It actually cost us a goal, before we came back into it.
He shouldn't be anywhere near the team and with Hegazi probably facing a suspension, I would hope G Mac would get brought in.
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I don't think that had anything to do with bringing Evans on. It actually cost us a goal, before we came back into it.
He shouldn't be anywhere near the team and with Hegazi probably facing a suspension, I would hope G Mac would get brought in.
You reckon Hegazi will be suspended for that?
It was only a tap, nothing at all aggressive in it.
There's only Sky making a big deal out of it.
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The reason he was booed is because he has been pure poison for the club since taxi gate. Many think he should have been stripped of the captaincy there and then and he's looked disinterested when playing for us since around that time too. The only person who will be getting a worse ride than him right now will be Barry - who hopefully never puts the shirt on again.
The reason booing occurred for the goal is because the announcer wrongly (not sure if it wasn't on purpose to be honest to try and get him a cheer) announced that Evans had scored the goal when it had clearly been Livermore - I was momentarily dumbstruck when they said Evans' name as I was certain it was Livermore!
The only thing I know about taxi gate is what has been in the media. Darren Moore sees Evans every day.
If Darren Moore thinks he's committed to the cause, that's good enough for me.
As far as being "pure poison", he might be to some of the fans, but clearly he's not to the club.
For me, if the Head Coach thinks he's worthy of the shirt, he don't get boo'd, & he certainly don't get boo'd for scoring a goal, mistakenly or not.
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The only thing I know about taxi gate is what has been in the media. Darren Moore sees Evans every day.
If Darren Moore thinks he's committed to the cause, that's good enough for me.
As far as being "pure poison", he might be to some of the fans, but clearly he's not to the club.
For me, if the Head Coach thinks he's worthy of the shirt, he don't get boo'd, & he certainly don't get boo'd for scoring a goal, mistakenly or not.
Exactly. The only thing pure poison yesterday was the booing.
I'm also not buying he cost us a goal after coming on.
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always overrated for me. glad to see the back of him
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always overrated for me. glad to see the back of him
I thought he was absolutely fantastic until his head was turned last summer. Best CH we've had since Ally Robertson in my view. Great reader of the game, calm under pressure, got a bit of bite so no one messed him about, scored a few goals too. I honestly thought he was one of the very best CH's in the league for a while and could easily see why Man City or Arsenal mighty pay £25m for him as he was better than anything they had. He was only held back by the impression that he was a Utd cast off and that no big club should want someone that arrived via the West Brom and the Utd scrap bin. Had he arrived from Juventus and been named Joninho Evanio, he would have been raved about.
For me, the rot set in long before taxigate. Perhaps he was just having a massive sulk because he wasn't allowed to go play Champions League football and earn £100k a week at City (and I think he would have played, not just warmed they bench). Whatever the reason, the collapse in his performances is the greatest I've ever seen at the Albion. He could have been one of our all time greats and guaranteed a slot in any all-time XI that we pick. In the end he has probably been as responsible for our relegation as anyone. Sad. very, very sad....
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I thought he was absolutely fantastic until his head was turned last summer. Best CH we've had since Ally Robertson in my view. Great reader of the game, calm under pressure, got a bit of bite so no one messed him about, scored a few goals too. I honestly thought he was one of the very best CH's in the league for a while and could easily see why Man City or Arsenal mighty pay £25m for him as he was better than anything they had. He was only held back by the impression that he was a Utd cast off and that no big club should want someone that arrived via the West Brom and the Utd scrap bin. Had he arrived from Juventus and been named Joninho Evanio, he would have been raved about.
For me, the rot set in long before taxigate. Perhaps he was just having a massive sulk because he wasn't allowed to go play Champions League football and earn £100k a week at City (and I think he would have played, not just warmed they bench). Whatever the reason, the collapse in his performances is the greatest I've ever seen at the Albion. He could have been one of our all time greats and guaranteed a slot in any all-time XI that we pick. In the end he has probably been as responsible for our relegation as anyone. Sad. very, very sad....
Agree 100%. I once said that he had so much class, he could play anywhere on the pitch for us.
Turns out that "class" is the one thing he truly lacks. His sulky, half-hearted performances since the Man City deal came to nothing have been astonishing. Add the taxi debacle to that and he certainly doesn't come across as a classy individual.
Shame because, as you say, he could have been a great player for us.
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I thought he was absolutely fantastic until his head was turned last summer. Best CH we've had since Ally Robertson in my view. Great reader of the game, calm under pressure, got a bit of bite so no one messed him about, scored a few goals too. I honestly thought he was one of the very best CH's in the league for a while and could easily see why Man City or Arsenal mighty pay £25m for him as he was better than anything they had. He was only held back by the impression that he was a Utd cast off and that no big club should want someone that arrived via the West Brom and the Utd scrap bin. Had he arrived from Juventus and been named Joninho Evanio, he would have been raved about.
For me, the rot set in long before taxigate. Perhaps he was just having a massive sulk because he wasn't allowed to go play Champions League football and earn £100k a week at City (and I think he would have played, not just warmed they bench). Whatever the reason, the collapse in his performances is the greatest I've ever seen at the Albion. He could have been one of our all time greats and guaranteed a slot in any all-time XI that we pick. In the end he has probably been as responsible for our relegation as anyone. Sad. very, very sad....
The only part I don't agree with is that you think he would have played for City (and in the Champions league), can't see it myself. I'm certain he would have been on the bench. I'm sure at the time of City's interest it was widely reported that he was seen as back up.
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I for one will not be sorry to see him go. Whilst I accept he appears to have some class he also has a complete attitude problem. Even when he was supposedly playing well he certainly didn't perform like a true defender for me. Showboating in your own penalty area is certainly out and considering he was 'allowed' to do this when TP was in charge says something about his 'better than you' attitude.
Link that to the taxigate debacle and we will be better without him. He won't want to play in the Championship because he no doubt thinks he's far better than that.
I have a serious issue with players like that because if they think like that and think they are better they wouldn't be in a team getting relegated. The reason they are is because they are not good enough and don't have a mindset to fight for the right. We have certainly lacked players like that in a lot of areas and it's odd now that near the season's end some are putting in more of a shift. I wonder why.
Send for a cab.
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I for one will not be sorry to see him go. Whilst I accept he appears to have some class he also has a complete attitude problem. Even when he was supposedly playing well he certainly didn't perform like a true defender for me. Showboating in your own penalty area is certainly out and considering he was 'allowed' to do this when TP was in charge says something about his 'better than you' attitude.
Link that to the taxigate debacle and we will be better without him. He won't want to play in the Championship because he no doubt thinks he's far better than that.
I have a serious issue with players like that because if they think like that and think they are better they wouldn't be in a team getting relegated. The reason they are is because they are not good enough and don't have a mindset to fight for the right. We have certainly lacked players like that in a lot of areas and it's odd now that near the season's end some are putting in more of a shift. I wonder why.
Send for a cab.
he hasn’t been anywhere near the standard he was previously but to say he’s ‘showboating’ is garbage. It’s called calm and brilliant defending/football, it’s what made him stand out from the rest. How many times did his ‘showboating’ cost us goals? My guess is none as it wasn’t ‘showboating’ it was the correct thing to do at the time but only people with certain ability can do it.
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he hasn’t been anywhere near the standard he was previously but to say he’s ‘showboating’ is garbage. It’s called calm and brilliant defending/football, it’s what made him stand out from the rest. How many times did his ‘showboating’ cost us goals? My guess is none as it wasn’t ‘showboating’ it was the correct thing to do at the time but only people with certain ability can do it.
I think he has "dropped us in it" a couple of times, but I agree he is a class defender.
IMO, it's only the Barcelona incident that's turned the fans. If I was Head Coach, & my job was on the line, he's be one of the first on the team sheet for me.
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Personally - I cannot wait to see the back of him.
He has been average at best all season - if not worse - he's going through the motions and has treated this club with a lack of respect.
At the point we needed our captain to be a leader we got this shyster - he and Barry deserve all they get from us.
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Arsenal reportedly withdrawn interest in him
http://readwestbrom.com/2018/04/24/arsenal-no-longer-interested-in-evans/
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Personally - I cannot wait to see the back of him.
He has been average at best all season - if not worse - he's going through the motions and has treated this club with a lack of respect.
At the point we needed our captain to be a leader we got this shyster - he and Barry deserve all they get from us.
now this i do agree with. good ridence to both
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Arsenal reportedly withdrawn interest in him
http://readwestbrom.com/2018/04/24/arsenal-no-longer-interested-in-evans/
I don't think that Man City will be interested in him now either. Can see him ending up at somewhere like Everton.
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Leicester is another possibility, they bid for him in the summer. I think they'd see Evans and Maguire as a strong centre back pairing. They're both good on the ball so would suit the style of play that Puel, if he is to remain as boss, likes to play.
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He is a very good player as we all know but he has done himself no favours here
Get rid - to who ? I don't really care now
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He is a very good player as we all know but he has done himself no favours here
Get rid - to who ? I don't really care now
Me neither. Him, Barry and Chadli simply have to go. To who, how much, I really don't care, just get them off the wage bill.
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Me neither. Him, Barry and Chadli simply have to go. To who, how much, I really don't care, just get them off the wage bill.
Unfortunately Barry has triggered another 12 months in his favour. Hopefully he wont want it and will retire
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Unfortunately Barry has triggered another 12 months in his favour. Hopefully he wont want it and will retire
Hope so, but I think he'll soak us for the money and turn up for training.
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:D Anyone notice when he is not in the team ....we seem to win or draw?? Start of the season we were winning/drawing ..... end of the season winning/drawing without Evans????
Any substance to this ...I wonder. >:(
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Can see evans ending up at everton . Family still live up north so can see that happening . Not been the same this season must of had his head turned somewhere
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I can understand the ill feeling fans have for Evans and his rapid fall from grace with them. But I think he is a good quality CB and if he decided to stay with us another season, I for one would welcome that.
Fans calling into question his quality, stems from the downer they have on him. It should be remembered that he came through United's academy to become a first team regular making 198 appearance, most of them played under SAF, he won 3 Premier League medals and, I believe, a Champions League medal, but I could be wrong with that one.
So, for me I apply the old footballing adage to him "Form is temporary, class is permanent"
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I can understand the ill feeling fans have for Evans and his rapid fall from grace with them. But I think he is a good quality CB and if he decided to stay with us another season, I for one would welcome that.
Fans calling into question his quality, stems from the downer they have on him. It should be remembered that he came through United's academy to become a first team regular making 198 appearance, most of them played under SAF, he won 3 Premier League medals and, I believe, a Champions League medal, but I could be wrong with that one. So, for me I apply the old footballing adage to him "Form is temporary, class is permanent"
Completely agree, but for me it has been the relatively recent lack of desire to demonstrate his class in an Albion shirt that has been the problem.
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It shouldn't be overlooked that, so far this season, Evans has played 23 of the 35 games we have played. That represents, in percentage terms, missing 34.28% of the games played.
When you have injuries to that extent, a players form is bound to suffer. Additionally, coming back from those injuries, into a struggling side is never going to be an easy task for any player, a prime example of that would be Harry Kane, who has struggled since coming back from his recent injury. These are extenuating circumstances that no player is entirely responsible for.
We all interpret a players demeanor to suit our own narrative, mine is that I think Evans is a good professional, he's made mistakes when he should definitely have known better, but who hasn't. If he decided to stay for another season, highly unlikely I know, I think that would only be good for West Bromwich Albion FC.
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I wouldn't dream of defending the Barca incident but I do believe Pulis switching to a back five at times and even more so playing between Hegazi and Gibbs has been a factor , both of those have been poor position wise and a number of times Evans has been caught trying to cover for them . When you compare it to last season of Gmac and Nyom/Brunt theres a massive gap in understanding .
Class defender , poor season but will get a decent move.
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Another clean sheet without Evans in the team. Hang on, there might be a correlation here?
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Another clean sheet without Evans in the team. Hang on, there might be a correlation here?
He can defend well, but his concentration lapses are appalling and quite frankly, I don"t and never have rated his ability to defend.
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You only have to look at the stats to realise how bad Evans has been this season. I can think of crucial mistakes against Newcastle, Watford, Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool home and away in the cup and Arsenal away and that’s just off the top of my head.
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He can defend well, but his concentration lapses are appalling and quite frankly, I don"t and never have rated his ability to defend.
Surely a bit contradictory.
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Never agreed whesome were going crazy with praise, don't agree that he is awful either
He's a good defender that had his head turned, it happens , it would affect most of us.
And people that keep mentioning the taxi incident, it's all or nothing , can't pillarise barry but not Livermore because he scored against spuds
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Surely a bit contradictory.
What I mean is, he has the ability to defend well, but his lapses negate that and make him a poorer defender than he should be with his ability.
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Has he even featured under Moore? If not, says a lot.
I like that DM has done his own thing. He hasn't just played players because they've been in under TP and AP. For me, Jonny has quality, but his attitude leaves a lot to be desired, and I don't think Below-Par-Dew helped him by taking his captaincy away for one game and then handing it back. Evans should have been dropped, end of. I'm glad DM has the sense to do what he thinks is right.
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Reports that Arsenal remain keen to sign Jonny Evans from West Brom this summer.
It will be a relief for us and, I suspect, him when he leaves as there is so much negativity surrounding him, some self inflicted and some out of his control.
He is not AI, only human like most of us here
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To be fair, he hasn't done much wrong since he joined apart from taxi gate and a below par season. I'll wish him well when he leaves. The club should have sold him in January though, knowing we had a 3m release clause in his contract.
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To be fair, he hasn't done much wrong since he joined apart from taxi gate and a below par season. I'll wish him well when he leaves. The club should have sold him in January though, knowing we had a 3m release clause in his contract.
Thickos on the board?
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Or more likely he was considered a vital member of the defence and selling him would hurt the squad and give the wrong message.
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AS I have said many times on here I for one won't be sorry to see him go. I think he believes he's too good for us anyway and that says something about his attitude and performances.
He's not someone you want in a dog fight and is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
A move will be good for us all but it might just be the wake up call he needs to get his game sorted.
It's easier to play at the back for a top 6 club than one fighting relegation. The odd error can be got away with as you're likely to out score opponents. They also have more options to move the ball forward, which is not Evan's fault, but players have to adapt. Evan's obviously has ability, a lot of people rate him but his way of playing certainly does not suit us. Something Darren has obviously noticed.
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AS I have said many times on here I for one won't be sorry to see him go. I think he believes he's too good for us anyway and that says something about his attitude and performances.
He's not someone you want in a dog fight and is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
A move will be good for us all but it might just be the wake up call he needs to get his game sorted.
It's easier to play at the back for a top 6 club than one fighting relegation. The odd error can be got away with as you're likely to out score opponents. They also have more options to move the ball forward, which is not Evan's fault, but players have to adapt. Evan's obviously has ability, a lot of people rate him but his way of playing certainly does not suit us. Something Darren has obviously noticed.
I think his form started to evaporate shortly after Darren Fletcher went to Stoke,
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We're rewriting history if we're saying that Evans was no good. He was head and shoulders our best defender.
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Has he even featured under Moore? If not, says a lot.
I like that DM has done his own thing. He hasn't just played players because they've been in under TP and AP. For me, Jonny has quality, but his attitude leaves a lot to be desired, and I don't think Below-Par-Dew helped him by taking his captaincy away for one game and then handing it back. Evans should have been dropped, end of. I'm glad DM has the sense to do what he thinks is right.
He's come on twice maybe three times from the bench under Moore.
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We're rewriting history if we're saying that Evans was no good. He was head and shoulders our best defender.
I don't think anyone is saying he is "no good", when he was playing well he was head and shoulders above the rest and the partnership with GMac worked beautifully, possibly the best partnership outside the top 6, but sadly that beautiful flame started to flicker and has now largely died.
time for JE and WBA to move on separately.
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This report sums him up, no respect. Informs his manager by text.
Big time Charlie, glad to see the back of him
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/05/15/exclusive-jonny-evans-pulled-out-of-west-broms-last-game-of-the-season-by-text-message/
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"Albion sources didn't want to comment"
Yeah right that didn't get out by accident thrown under the bus and rightly so. Evans has been truly shocking this season after he didn't get his move in the summer. He has to hope he never has the misfortune of playing at the Hawthorns again
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I have been a fan of his in the past, but his 'billy big boots' attitude sums it all up for me. Good riddance to him......
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Never wish injury on everyone but this bloke has been a absolute disgrace it's almost as if his lead has come off since Fletcher has been gone. I hope someone snaps him next season breaks his cruciate and he comes back down to earth with an almighty bang. Played a massive part in the Barcelona fiasco now it emerges he text his manageer a day before the last game making himself unavailable. Good riddance I hope he enjoys living the high life at Leicester and not man city
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There surely must be something in his contract about how to inform the manager about his non availability - and I guess this wouldn’t be by text. If he breached his contract then fine him heavily. He was obviously miffed by not being selected - or, if he was in the squad he didn’t want to get injured in his final game.
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There surely must be something in his contract about how to inform the manager about his non availability - and I guess this wouldn’t be by text. If he breached his contract then fine him heavily. He was obviously miffed by not being selected - or, if he was in the squad he didn’t want to get injured in his final game.
For me he should be suspended and served a heavy fine as you suggested. I'd also do the same with James McLean who keeps treating fans on social media like utter dirt.
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For me he should be suspended and served a heavy fine as you suggested. I'd also do the same with James McLean who keeps treating fans on social media like utter dirt.
What utter nonsense, but if he did maybe it's in retaliation to fans not being able to spell his name correctly.
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Gutless Evans is,couldn't face Big Dave to tell him,so sends a text,pathetic.
He couldn't be bothered to turn up for the last match to wave goodbye to the fans,what an embarrassing person he is,after his so called injuries and Barcelona good riddance,he's not that good anyway.
Joke of a player contemptible attitude.
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What utter nonsense, but if he did maybe it's in retaliation to fans not being able to spell his name correctly.
So you can defend him telling fans they need to watch their weight telling them they are a walking heart attack waiting to happen and to f**k off? Don't know what side of the bed you woke up on this morning but don't try and belittle me or put me down because I missed the C out of his name because my phone auto corrected it for some unknown reason! Mod or not you don't have the power to speak to people in such a fashion.
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So you can defend him telling fans they need to watch their weight telling them they are a walking heart attack waiting to happen and to f**k off? Don't know what side of the bed you woke up on this morning but don't try and belittle me or put me down because I missed the C out of his name because my phone auto corrected it for some unknown reason! Mod or not you don't have the power to speak to people in such a fashion.
I think he’s fully justified in calling out people on Instagram who only appear to follow him to abuse him, anyone that gets abused by him has always asked for it. If they can give it out, he should be able to give it back.
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I think he’s fully justified in calling out people on Instagram who only appear to follow him to abuse him, anyone that gets abused by him has always asked for it. If they can give it out, he should be able to give it back.
I'm not sure whether or not the bloke follows him but it's very stupid if he does that just to give him abuse. Why does every other professional seem to be able to keep their neck in then and not dish out abuse but James seems to sturggle. He needs to be careful what he says. Those" walking heart attacks" pay his over inflated wage.
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Ok guys back to Evans in this thread please
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So you can defend him telling fans they need to watch their weight telling them they are a walking heart attack waiting to happen and to f**k off? Don't know what side of the bed you woke up on this morning but don't try and belittle me or put me down because I missed the C out of his name because my phone auto corrected it for some unknown reason! Mod or not you don't have the power to speak to people in such a fashion.
Calm down, you're not the only one who spells his name incorrectly, I was pointing out that a lot of people that abuse him don't even spell his name correctly.
Also I'm not defending him, I'm just saying that he has the same rights as anyone else to reply to abuse from fans. If someone was abusive to me I'd be abusive back. Just because he's in the limelight/has different political views/is limited as a player doesn't mean he deserves to be abused.
With regard to Evans, he's still under contract so should be appropriately punished if he has done anything against club rules, if he is genuinely injured then fair enough but it's strange that he's been "injured" every time there has been a transfer window this season.
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What an appalling piece of work this man is; how many acts of cowardice, laziness and sheer stupidity is he capable of?
We've picked a few duffers up over the past few years, Anelka being another prime example. Our current crop has had more than its fair share of shirkers and has beens.
I hope the board really have learned from these last few years. We could have been something!
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What a disgrace of a player, clearly thinks he should of been playing for Man City 2nd half of this season and blames us for not letting him go. If he was that good they would have paid the asking price...
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Meh, what does it matter really? I mean, I've no idea how players normally say they're not available - was it unusual in this case? Maybe he went home with a strain and was unlikely to play and just confirmed it? Maybe Moore wasn't available? Maybe he was lazy?
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In isolation it would probably not been a story but, coupled with taxigate and his dramatic downturn in performances, it does smack of arrogance.
He's as good as gone now anyway, who cares.
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Too many maybe's mate,surely it would be up to the medics,or perhaps he was pulling the wool over their eyes,maybe eh?
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Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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At the end of the day footballers aren't noted for being the worlds most intelligent people.
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I'm surprised he knew how to text.
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Too many maybe's mate,surely it would be up to the medics,or perhaps he was pulling the wool over their eyes,maybe eh?
Well, that's my point. There's lots of things going on, all we've got is "he said he wasn't playing by text" and some have jumped on that. Turns out the club won't be disciplining him for it, or Yacob. Just seems like he's the current fan's target.
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Hope the Man Utd reject is hit by a hefty fine >:(
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Outstanding for the first 2 years and absolutely garbage this season. He wanted out and played like he wanted out. I assume 2 week wages fine and then he be off
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Outstanding for the first 2 years and absolutely garbage this season. He wanted out and played like he wanted out. I assume 2 week wages fine and then he be off
I wouldn't even bother with a fine, just flog him sharpish to the first club that come calling.
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Actually can't believe Evans was getting tracked by so called big clubs this last season, when I'd take Dawson over him any day of the week. Just hope the big clubs keep seeing it the same way.
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He has never taken any responsibility on the pitch, nor acted like a leader, so why should we be surprised when he turns out to be the same off it?
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Bye
Won't be missed. Hope wherever he ends up gets the can't be arsed Jonny of the past year - not even a modicum of professionalism. Our worst Captain in years.
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Certainly not condoning his behaviour but I hope the club get a little smarter in recognising when to move players on. We’ve missed out on £20 million here which could have been invested in the squad this summer, instead of been hell bent on keeping players at all costs who arent going to put the effort in after not getting the move, we need to get ourselves into a position where we recognise the player wants to leave, sell them for as much money as we can get and reinvest the money in 2 or 3 players who are either first team players or future first team players.
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Certainly not condoning his behaviour but I hope the club get a little smarter in recognising when to move players on. We’ve missed out on £20 million here which could have been invested in the squad this summer, instead of been hell bent on keeping players at all costs who arent going to put the effort in after not getting the move, we need to get ourselves into a position where we recognise the player wants to leave, sell them for as much money as we can get and reinvest the money in 2 or 3 players who are either first team players or future first team players.
There would have been no way of knowing that a previously very professional down to earth guy would go completely against character and down tools like Evans did.
I get what you’re saying but that is with great hindsight, selling him in January when he wasnt playing up to move would have looked like us giving up on our league status.
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Certainly not condoning his behaviour but I hope the club get a little smarter in recognising when to move players on. We’ve missed out on £20 million here which could have been invested in the squad this summer, instead of been hell bent on keeping players at all costs who arent going to put the effort in after not getting the move, we need to get ourselves into a position where we recognise the player wants to leave, sell them for as much money as we can get and reinvest the money in 2 or 3 players who are either first team players or future first team players.
The same can be said for Berahino as well as Evans.
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The same can be said for Berahino as well as Evans.
As a whole our transfer policy for a long time has not been to cash in and reinvest, but to keep players until past their peak.
Struggling to think of a player who has been sold to go onto better things in recent years
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Well, what shock. Never rated him anyway so I will be happy for him to go. If he had the grace to turn up and play for us last week it would have made no difference. We would probably have been even poorer.
TAXI !!!
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The same can be said for Berahino as well as Evans.
To my knowledge Stoke paid us far more than Spurs ever offered.
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Bye bye and don't let the door hit your backside on the way out!
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Evans and Yacob did not travel to Selhurst Park after reporting injuries in the 48 hours before the game.
But the Baggies have reiterated that their absence from the match was agreed by Darren Moore – and the caretaker boss believes their conduct in the build-up to the game was above aboard.
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Not really bothered about the club once we are down. Probably had an appointment with his agent.
Good old understanding big hearted Darren Moore, one of the lads.
I will be very disappointed if he gets the job.
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Sometimes, we are a bit too quick to judge when not in full possession of the facts, particularly if you want to believe the worst about an individual and it fits a narrative.
Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/05/15/jonny-evans-and-claudio-yacob-had-permission-to-miss-west-broms-last-game-of-the-season/
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Thanks to Albion Evans career was resurrected! So go on then Evans - do one and go! dont look back and hope you career nose dives from here on in.
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I'm finding all this anti Evans sentiment a bit ridiculous. I'll wish him well when he leaves, he's been a cracking player for us although his form has been below par this season, he was a revelation in previous campaigns. Short memories some of you lot on here have got. It's not like he spat his dummy out the pram when denied lucrative moves to bigger clubs.
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He was the captain who took us down, simple as.
Wish him well? The blokes a millionaire.
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At £3 million, Evans is going to be the bargain of the summer for a top half or mid table club this summer. He was brilliant whrn he first arrived.
Multiple incidents this year however make thr loss of him a lot easier to take however. Showed himsrlf to be a typical modern day footballer brat. Will be glad when he f**** off. Wish now, with hindsight, we had accepted the lower prices on offer from Man City or Leicester, although totally understand why the club didn't.
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Johnny evans best defender I've seen at the albion. Regardless of his antics and not holding up his high standards, thats what il remember.
Get him gone though, been a shambles this season.
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If I were recruiting for a Premier League side I wouldn't touch with a barge pole even at a knock down price (his signing on fee and wages are going to make him less of a bargain.) He is at an age were an off season might be a sign of a long term decline and his behaviour has been totally unprofessional, what you see is what you get, buyer beware.
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If I were recruiting for a Premier League side I wouldn't touch with a barge pole even at a knock down price (his signing on fee and wages are going to make him less of a bargain.) He is at an age were an off season might be a sign of a long term decline and his behaviour has been totally unprofessional, what you see is what you get, buyer beware.
Quality premiership defender, comfortable on the ball and left sided. Proven pedigree at Utd and a success at Albion. £3m is a give away for a very good footballer and competitor. Your comments are crazy.
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Well he won't be coming to Manchester I'm pretty sure of that hopefully he will end up at Burnley, Leicester or another team that gets relegated next season as we are promoted,
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Quality premiership defender, comfortable on the ball and left sided. Proven pedigree at Utd and a success at Albion. £3m is a give away for a very good footballer and competitor. Your comments are crazy.
A few points about my craziness. Firstly the deal will not cost £3m that is the money that we will get the deal will cost the buying club a hell of a lot more. Wages £100k a week he will want a minimum of a 3 year contract ideally 4 which will take him well past his peak, with no relegation flex down or a very generous release clause. His signing on fee will be reflect the fact that the fee is roughly a quarter of his open market value probably about £3m.
It never ceases to amaze that football clubs ignore bloody great big red flags when signing players. Sturridge is a complete crock the world knows this yet we go and sign him for £120k a week and surprise surprise he barely kicks a ball. Lambert looked utterly shot at Liverpool we sign him and he flops well who would have thought it.
Horses and Dogs have pedigrees, footballers don't the fact a player was once at Man United or whichever big club we are being star struck by is largely irrelevant 3 years latter.
Last season was a huge red flag everything you said was true but it wasn't last year and that is the most recent and relevant fact.
Someone will sign him this has West Ham or Everton written all over it. He may be successful but equally I would express no surprise if his career fizzles out from here on in.
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He is at an age were an off season might be a sign of a long term decline and his behaviour has been totally unprofessional, what you see is what you get, buyer beware.
You’re right. Footballers can’t turn it off and on like a tap. There is more than one example of players thinking they could ease off their performances for a while and then finding it beyond them when they tried to step it back up. Our own beloved Saido being the example closest to home.
Evans massively blotted his copy book. At a time when the club really needed him to be a leader he showed exactly what he’s made of by messing around in Barcelona.
He’s not a man I would want in the trenches with me.
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Is he still here?
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I would argue that's exactly what he did, albeit using more subtle methods than our previous two brats.
But he didn't though. Apart from the taxi incident, he's been a model professional. If he had of stepped out of line, he would get fined.
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The sooner hes gone the better overrated and unprofessional. i fell out with a northern irish chap in benidorm talking about him, of course hes god to some
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Other than Barry I hope he's the first one out of the door when the transfer merry go round begins. A completely over rated player who has been awful all season - the taxi incident just added the cherry on top - and since then he's been less than awful on the pitch too!
Quite why any of the clubs higher up the league were even looking at him is a mystery to me.
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Too much football is based on emotion not sanity, if you allow your heart to rule your head you extend players like Morrison and let players like Evans leave
He may not be world class, but for us, in the champ...he would be amazing, should do everything to keep .
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Too much football is based on emotion not sanity, if you allow your heart to rule your head you extend players like Morrison and let players like Evans leave
He may not be world class, but for us, in the champ...he would be amazing, should do everything to keep .
I agree with this.
None of us are perfect, we sometimes let colleagues, friends, customers and family down at times, as we are human and that is a trait of our species.
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Too much football is based on emotion not sanity, if you allow your heart to rule your head you extend players like Morrison and let players like Evans leave
He may not be world class, but for us, in the champ...he would be amazing, should do everything to keep .
Both Morrison and Evans should be gone this summer. Morrison is broke, and Evans thinks he's bigger than the club. We should take what we can and let him be somebody elses problem.
He was club captain, and stole a taxi while drunk on a club training camp. That is seriously questionable decision making, and more than anything else should see him leave. It doesn't matter what he can do on the pitch at this point, his off pitch failures matter more.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5746333/Jonny-Evans-agent-wants-4million-seals-3million-Leicester-West-Brom-defender.html#ixzz5FtLyJnJO
This is confirmation that this is anything but a "no brainer" anyone taking on this nose in the trough fraud needs their head examining
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Any Premier none top 4/5/6 club agreeing to terms like this deserves to get relegated. He’s good... but jeez... surely everyone knows he’s not worth that at his age.
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At £3m there will hardly be any Premier League clubs not interested in Evans a transfer that fall into the the "no brainer" category and probably one of the few that genuinely will be at worst okay. At that price and with wages less than £100k a week the top 6 would all happily sign him as a squad filler. The next tier down would hire him as a starter, where he ends up largely depends on how much game time Evans wants or whether he is content picking up a substantial pay packet for warming the bench.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5746333/Jonny-Evans-agent-wants-4million-seals-3million-Leicester-West-Brom-defender.html#ixzz5FtLyJnJO (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5746333/Jonny-Evans-agent-wants-4million-seals-3million-Leicester-West-Brom-defender.html#ixzz5FtLyJnJO)
This is confirmation that this is anything but a "no brainer" anyone taking on this nose in the trough fraud needs their head examining
What a difference 6 weeks makes ;D
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Just shows how sick the game is, Evans agent wants £4m to broker the transfer deal, that's a million more than we will get ;D
https://foxesofleicester.com/2018/05/19/leicester-city-in-negotiations-with-west-bromwich-albion-to-sign-jonny-evans/
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Too much football is based on emotion not sanity, if you allow your heart to rule your head you extend players like Morrison and let players like Evans leave
He may not be world class, but for us, in the champ...he would be amazing, should do everything to keep .
He doesn’t want to play in the second tier of English football and isn’t going to. Insane to think there is any chance of him staying. It was a coup to get him to sign from Utd in the first place.
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We were better at the start of the season without Evans and we were better at the end of the season without Evans, so it s a bye bye from me
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There is a topic in the transfer forum for all transfer speculation
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=18771.0
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Just shows how sick the game is, Evans agent wants £4m to broker the transfer deal, that's a million more than we will get ;D
https://foxesofleicester.com/2018/05/19/leicester-city-in-negotiations-with-west-bromwich-albion-to-sign-jonny-evans/
£7m for Evans is still a snip overall though so you can that sort of deal happening, particularly when there are several clubs trying to sign him.
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something definitely changed with JE, last season he was quality and a contender for our best player, I doubt anyone would argue with that. This season has been very inconsistent and the mistakes which characterised his man utd career have returned, why?
Having Gibbs to his left and Hegazi to his right probably didn’t help. Two defensive clowns either side of him.
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Having Gibbs to his left and Hegazi to his right probably didn’t help. Two defensive clowns either side of him.
You mean two of the players started in all the games at the end of the season when we actually started picking up points?
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Never ceases to amaze me how a player 'employs' and agent, yet any club wishing to buy said player has to fork out money to this agent, that basically does a few hours work on behalf of the player, and then demands £m's. High time these players paid their own agents. I'm sure they just think of a number when it comes to the fee. The only reason Evans' agent wants soo much is because his transfer fee is so low, so he thinks he can milk the buying club. Utter Joke. Agents are parasites on the game
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Having Gibbs to his left and Hegazi to his right probably didn’t help. Two defensive clowns either side of him.
As MarkW says, they started every game at the end of the season. We kept more clean sheets with Dawson / Hegazi than we did Hegazi / Evans.
Also, Evans is right footed but likes to play on the left of the two. Hegazi also likes to play on the left of the two, and several times they were both covering the same space, while leaving a big hole.
It reminded me of the 2010 world cup when England played Terry and Upson together. Upson was left footed, but Terry liked to play left side, so the two kept getting in each others way.
That's two overrated centre halves who couldn't adapt their game to better the team.
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According to reports his agent wants £4M and it's that that is holding up deals ......apparently.
https://readwestbrom.com/2018/05/19/evans-west-brom-exit-held-up-by-agent-fees/
http://www.football365.com/news/report-agent-wants-foxes-to-pay-him-133-more-in-evans-deal
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£7m for Evans is still a snip overall though so you can that sort of deal happening, particularly when there are several clubs trying to sign him.
£7m on a three year deal for 100k though... Wouldn't call that a snip when he will be 33 at the end of that deal. Appreciate centre halves can keep going for a while but that generally relies on a good injury record - something JE does not have.
I suspect he will go but not at £4m agent fees, 100k and a three year deal.
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dear Mr agent, I was valued at 15M and at 10% - I would have cleared 1.5M, now I'm at 3m I'll only get 300k, so I want you to inflate your fee and we'll split the margin!!
Dis-regard the numbers, but the principle is perfectly feasible
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dear Mr agent, I was valued at 15M and at 10% - I would have cleared 1.5M, now I'm at 3m I'll only get 300k, so I want you to inflate your fee and we'll split the margin!!
Dis-regard the numbers, but the principle is perfectly feasible
as it’s a release clause would Evans even be entitled to the 10%, having hat inserted into his contract must wrk the same as handing in a transfer request
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as it’s a release clause would Evans even be entitled to the 10%, having hat inserted into his contract must wrk the same as handing in a transfer request
good point, well made, activating the clause likely justifies skull duggery more than I had thought.
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good point, well made, activating the clause likely justifies skull duggery more than I had thought.
Wouldn’t he be negotiating a signing on fee though?
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Has he gone yet?
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Has he gone yet?
I looked at this thread with exactly the same thought......
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Bit sick of this Michael O'Neil putting his oar in about our players,nothing to do with him,keep his mouth shut
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Bit sick of this Michael O'Neil putting his oar in about our players,nothing to do with him,keep his mouth shut
perhaps he’s bitter he never got the job here.
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Evans not gone yet ? :o
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Evans not gone yet ? :o
Not at the World Cup so plenty of time for him to speak to the numerous potential suitors
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"Leicester open talks with Jonny Evans but West Brom defender still has heart set on Manchester City move"
It will be a blessing for all concerned when he leaves. Personally, I rate him and would like to see him stay, but I guess too much water has passed under that bridge now.
Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-open-talks-jonny-evans-12651521
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Hurry up and go, all he's interested in is his national team and the manager O'Neil.
We gave him his second chance and he threw it in our face in Barca.
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Who negotiates a release clause at LESS than the club paid? Makes absolutely no sense.
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Gone
http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre (http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre)
BREAKING NEWS
Sky Sports News understands West Brom defender Jonny Evans has agreed to join Leicester after they met his relegation release clause.
The fee of £3.5m is to be paid in two instalments
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First two seasons i thought he was a class act, his quality stood out a mile and was a lot better player than i thought when we signed him, at the point the only downside was he seemed to pick up a lot of injuries.
This season he didnt start well and got worse, whether thats off the field stuff such as his head was turned, Fletch leaving, or his attitude was wrong or he is just simply getting worse, who knows but he wasnt the same player.
Out the Taxi 4 there is only really Livermore who has managed to turn opinion, he played well towards the end of the season. Evans, Barry and Myhill (to be fair he didnt play since then) will all probably be most famous for the taxi incident from their Albion careers, shame for Evans who was good the first two seasons.
Real 50/50 this, If Leicester get the Evans we saw to start they have a bargain, if they get the Evans who appeared not at the races of the past season we have done well to get £80k of the wage bill.
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Two instalments? It's £3.5m ffs :-X
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Bye Bye and good riddance.
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Bye Bye and good riddance.
couldnt agree anymore, pro my bottom
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His ambition knows no bounds ..shut the door when you leave...
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Good player, worth more than £3.5 million. I do think he was slightly over-rated by some though.
Gross incompetence to allow a situation where he leaves for £3.5 million. No wonder a load of our staff have been given the boot. Should have been getting £10 million plus very easily, if it wasn't for the ridiculously low release clause.
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Скатертью дорога! Fine player on his day but one who let himself down very badly last season. For what? A move to the footballing behemoth that is Leicester City. Good to get him off the wage bill. Off you slither now Jonny.
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According to TalkSport, he is close to signing for Leicester.
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All transfer talk in the transfer forum please and yes there is a Evans topic underway in it.
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Good player, worth more than £3.5 million. I do think he was slightly over-rated by some though.
Gross incompetence to allow a situation where he leaves for £3.5 million. No wonder a load of our staff have been given the boot. Should have been getting £10 million plus very easily, if it wasn't for the ridiculously low release clause.
that valuation is a joke, turned down 20 million plus during winter window. Club looks like a laughing stock
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“Leicester have activated the £3m release clause for West Brom defender Jonny Evans. Deal could be confirmed this weekâ€
Source: John Percy Twitter Account. Normally, very reliable
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the fee is what it is, the fact he’s going to end up at Leicester says it all about his performances last year. Hindsight is a great thing we, we should have cashed in but we gambled on survival. Evans was linked with Man City and Arsenal and neither have bothered coming back despite him being available so cheap, that’s says enough about him and his performances. I’d imagine he is kicking himself more than the club are.
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the fee is what it is, the fact he’s going to end up at Leicester says it all about his performances last year. Hindsight is a great thing we, we should have cashed in but we gambled on survival. Evans was linked with Man City and Arsenal and neither have bothered coming back despite him being available so cheap, that’s says enough about him and his performances. I’d imagine he is kicking himself more than the club are.
Albion continually said they had received no firm offers for him. The media can speculate about destination and fee, but unless we receive a firm offer, he has to stay put. Unless I missed a firm bid from someone.
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The giveaway £3.5m fee is being paid in TWO instalments. Talk about having the penny and the bun....
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Albion continually said they had received no firm offers for him. The media can speculate about destination and fee, but unless we receive a firm offer, he has to stay put. Unless I missed a firm bid from someone.
when have the club ever confirmed bids for any players? Was ever confirmed offers were received for Saido before he left? It was widely reported from various sources, including reliable sources like John Percy that big clubs wanted Evans.
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when have the club ever confirmed bids for any players? Was ever confirmed offers were received for Saido before he left? It was widely reported from various sources, including reliable sources like John Percy that big clubs wanted Evans.
Why would we not acknowledge a bid, it could have created a bidding war.
Pardew continually said no bids received, I fail to see the benefit of that, particularly when Pardew is reported to have said everyone has a price or words to that effect
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Why would we not acknowledge a bid, it could have created a bidding war.
Pardew continually said no bids received, I fail to see the benefit of that, particularly when Pardew is reported to have said everyone has a price or words to that effect
id imagine that’s what the agent does, we have never confirmed offers for any players until they have left. We keep all our business quiet.
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id imagine that’s what the agent does, we have never confirmed offers for any players until they have left. We keep all our business quiet.
So, no evidence of bids then?
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So, no evidence of bids then?
so by that logic, we’ve never submitted any bids for players apart from the bid that’s accepted when we sign someone as we’ve never confirmed we’ve made offers for anyone, and of course we’ve obviously never received any bids for any of our players other than the bids we accept because again we don’t confirm the bids received, just like the vast majority of other clubs. I can only assume you don’t believe Leicester have actually made an offer for Evans because the club haven’t confirmed it.
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Hurry up and clear off,every week he's here doing nothing for us except costing us £80k per week,what a joke
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so by that logic, we’ve never submitted any bids for players apart from the bid that’s accepted when we sign someone as we’ve never confirmed we’ve made offers for anyone, and of course we’ve obviously never received any bids for any of our players other than the bids we accept because again we don’t confirm the bids received, just like the vast majority of other clubs. I can only assume you don’t believe Leicester have actually made an offer for Evans because the club haven’t confirmed it.
I think your post is a generalisation and is not representive of declared bids and offers made public by the club on occasion in the past. For example, we acknowledge a bid for Berahino from Spurs if you recall.
I am concerned at the unfair criticism the club has received about not accepting bids of £x millions for Evans without any foundation. I can recall both Pulis and Pardew publicly stated during their tenures that the club had not received bids for Evans and I have no reason to disbelieve them
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Whoever agreed to that £3.5m relegation release club I hope is no longer at the club. It's madness and has robbed us of millions.
Don't get me wrong I'm happy he's gone but we can't buy a decent replacement with that fee.
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Whoever agreed to that £3.5m relegation release club I hope is no longer at the club. It's madness and has robbed us of millions.
Don't get me wrong I'm happy he's gone but we can't buy a decent replacement with that fee.
But would you rather have not signed him? I think when it's all weighed up it probably wasn't that bad. What is bad is the club failed to cash in on him when the opportunity arose considering this clause. Through the clubs ineptitude theyve devalued a player 20m in 12 months through a succession of errors.
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I think your post is a generalisation and is not representive of declared bids and offers made public by the club on occasion in the past. For example, we acknowledge a bid for Berahino from Spurs if you recall.
I am concerned at the unfair criticism the club has received about not accepting bids of £x millions for Evans without any foundation. I can recall both Pulis and Pardew publicly stated during their tenures that the club had not received bids for Evans and I have no reason to disbelieve them
the berahino case was massive national news at the time due to Tottenham’s aggressive pursuit, the club had to acknowledge it. Did the confirm bids for McLean last 2 Windows? The player himself has. We as a club for as long as I can remember have conducted business very privately.
How many times did Pulis blame berahino’s fitness for him not playing when in reality it was actually a drugs ban?
Arsenal’s bid for Evans was confirmed by Pardew after the window closed. Pulis also confirmed a bid was rejected from Man City, nothing from the club just something from both managers in press conferences, these were only after the club didn’t really have much choice because of the media attention.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/02/01/alan-pardew-confirms-west-brom-rejected-deadline-day-move-arsenal-sign-jonny-evans-7279292/
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10993568/jonny-evans-bid-from-manchester-city-rejected-by-west-brom
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Final Score, Providing Evidence of Confirmed Bids,
NathWBA 2-0 AlbionFan :D
When considering those two articles, one from August 2017 and the other January 2018, I just wonder how many of us fans would have sold Evans at either point?
In August 2017, we had an offer of £18m, some fans on this board were worried that Evans would be sold, and some were saying he was worth £30m. And that is my point, no one offered £30m for him, but yet the club is criticised for not “cashing in†on him.
In January 2018, we had an offer of £12m; selling Evans on the last day of the transfer window would have left us with no time to replace him. At that time we had enough games to save ourselves and Evans was an important player in the fight to stay up.
So, for fans who say, “we should have cashed inâ€, well criticising the club for not cashing in, based on the two articles you provided and the circumstance pertaining at the time, it’s not surprising the club didn’t sell him in IMO.
My criticism of the club is reserved for those who agreed a contract with Evans that included a £3m buyout clause; this is the real issue in this sorry saga, not failing to cash in.
I have enjoyed exchanging views with you, although we may not see eye to eye on this particular issue.
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I said at the time we should have sold Evans for £12M to Arsenal, his head was elsewhere and his form had been in decline for months.
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Can't help but feel Jonny should sack Michael O'Neill off as his press agent now for failing to cement a lucrative move to a club more befitting of his talents, one such as the Barcelonas and Real Madrids of this world...... :-X .
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Final Score, Providing Evidence of Confirmed Bids,
NathWBA 2-0 AlbionFan :D
When considering those two articles, one from August 2017 and the other January 2018, I just wonder how many of us fans would have sold Evans at either point?
In August 2017, we had an offer of £18m, some fans on this board were worried that Evans would be sold, and some were saying he was worth £30m. And that is my point, no one offered £30m for him, but yet the club is criticised for not “cashing in†on him.
In January 2018, we had an offer of £12m; selling Evans on the last day of the transfer window would have left us with no time to replace him. At that time we had enough games to save ourselves and Evans was an important player in the fight to stay up.
So, for fans who say, “we should have cashed inâ€, well criticising the club for not cashing in, based on the two articles you provided and the circumstance pertaining at the time, it’s not surprising the club didn’t sell him in IMO.
My criticism of the club is reserved for those who agreed a contract with Evans that included a £3m buyout clause; this is the real issue in this sorry saga, not failing to cash in.
I have enjoyed exchanging views with you, although we may not see eye to eye on this particular issue.
I think for a club our size Evans was worth more to us than his true market value, in hindsight we should have sold but we took a gamble on survival which didn’t pay off, hindsight is great but at the time I’d have kept too.
Whilst I understand the release clause I don’t understand why it was set at half the price we paid for him or why no one thought to negotiate it higher after his first season, it could appear that we just never thought we’d go down.
No doubt we will have further debates down the line, it’s always fun to see other people’s views
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I've had a look back to January 2018 in the Jonny Evans posts in the "Albion Transfer Forum" and the "West Bromwich Albion FC Forum".
In reading through posts, I can find not one single poster that expressed, in my view, any great desire or conviction or determination or were adamant that we should sell Evans for £12m to Arsenal.
Quite the reverse, many though his value was anywhere between £20m to £35m and a bid of £12m from Arsenal was Arsenal taking the p!&s. Nor were there any dissenting posts, shortly after that January window had closed, that held strong views about not selling him.
In many cases posters wanted to hold on to him, considering him to be our best player, some saw benefit in selling him but only to enable us to bring in other players or selling him to finance wages for a loan striker(s) etc. There was much toing and froing on the merits about taking Gibbs and / or Debuchy from Arsenal in return for Evans. Some posters said they wouldn't miss Evans, but that's not the same as saying sell him for £12m as he his on the downhill slope.
But here we are, nearly 5 months later and there appears to be many now saying we should have sold Evans in January. The time to have expressed those views, if you felt that strongly and had that conviction, was in January 2018, well hindsight is wonderful vision.
It appears that, and understandably so, attitudes changed towards Evans after "Taxigate". He and three other Albion players made big mistakes that evening / morning of which there is no route back in some peoples eyes.
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I've had a look back to January 2018 in the Jonny Evans posts in the "Albion Transfer Forum" and the "West Bromwich Albion FC Forum".
In reading through posts, I can find not one single poster that expressed, in my view, any great desire or conviction or determination or were adamant that we should sell Evans for £12m to Arsenal.
Quite the reverse, many though his value was anywhere between £20m to £35m and a bid of £12m from Arsenal was Arsenal taking the p!&s. Nor were there any dissenting posts, shortly after that January window had closed, that held strong views about not selling him.
In many cases posters wanted to hold on to him, considering him to be our best player, some saw benefit in selling him but only to enable us to bring in other players or selling him to finance wages for a loan striker(s) etc. There was much toing and froing on the merits about taking Gibbs and / or Debuchy from Arsenal in return for Evans. Some posters said they wouldn't miss Evans, but that's not the same as saying sell him for £12m as he his on the downhill slope.
But here we are, nearly 5 months later and there appears to be many now saying we should have sold Evans in January. The time to have expressed those views, if you felt that strongly and had that conviction, was in January 2018, well hindsight is wonderful vision.
It appears that, and understandably so, attitudes changed towards Evans after "Taxigate". He and three other Albion players made big mistakes that evening / morning of which there is no route back in some peoples eyes.
I’m not sure it was taxi gate alone, Livermore was involved also. It was that alongside the subsequent drop off in playing quality. Barry and Evans were dreadful in the aftermath, not quite the case with Livermore hence him not being particularly targeted (no more than he had been previous anyway). Evans clearly wanted away and let his performances dip as a result, that was a far more unforgivable misdemeanour than taxi gate.
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I've had a look back to January 2018 in the Jonny Evans posts in the "Albion Transfer Forum" and the "West Bromwich Albion FC Forum".
In reading through posts, I can find not one single poster that expressed, in my view, any great desire or conviction or determination or were adamant that we should sell Evans for £12m to Arsenal.
Quite the reverse, many though his value was anywhere between £20m to £35m and a bid of £12m from Arsenal was Arsenal taking the p!&s. Nor were there any dissenting posts, shortly after that January window had closed, that held strong views about not selling him.
In many cases posters wanted to hold on to him, considering him to be our best player, some saw benefit in selling him but only to enable us to bring in other players or selling him to finance wages for a loan striker(s) etc. There was much toing and froing on the merits about taking Gibbs and / or Debuchy from Arsenal in return for Evans. Some posters said they wouldn't miss Evans, but that's not the same as saying sell him for £12m as he his on the downhill slope.
But here we are, nearly 5 months later and there appears to be many now saying we should have sold Evans in January. The time to have expressed those views, if you felt that strongly and had that conviction, was in January 2018, well hindsight is wonderful vision.
It appears that, and understandably so, attitudes changed towards Evans after "Taxigate". He and three other Albion players made big mistakes that evening / morning of which there is no route back in some peoples eyes.
it’s hindsight, it’s great thing is hindsight. At the time he was arguably our best player and was almost irreplaceable, however last season turned out to be a write off for him as he just didn’t turn up, and now looking back we’d have been better off selling
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I've had a look back to January 2018 in the Jonny Evans posts in the "Albion Transfer Forum" and the "West Bromwich Albion FC Forum".
In reading through posts, I can find not one single poster that expressed, in my view, any great desire or conviction or determination or were adamant that we should sell Evans for £12m to Arsenal.
Quite the reverse, many though his value was anywhere between £20m to £35m and a bid of £12m from Arsenal was Arsenal taking the p!&s. Nor were there any dissenting posts, shortly after that January window had closed, that held strong views about not selling him.
In many cases posters wanted to hold on to him, considering him to be our best player, some saw benefit in selling him but only to enable us to bring in other players or selling him to finance wages for a loan striker(s) etc. There was much toing and froing on the merits about taking Gibbs and / or Debuchy from Arsenal in return for Evans. Some posters said they wouldn't miss Evans, but that's not the same as saying sell him for £12m as he his on the downhill slope.
But here we are, nearly 5 months later and there appears to be many now saying we should have sold Evans in January. The time to have expressed those views, if you felt that strongly and had that conviction, was in January 2018, well hindsight is wonderful vision.
It appears that, and understandably so, attitudes changed towards Evans after "Taxigate". He and three other Albion players made big mistakes that evening / morning of which there is no route back in some peoples eyes.
Did we (the fans) know that he had a terrible release clause at that time? Just for the sake of clarity.
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Deal done now reportedly, I hope Leicester implode next season and go down.
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Laughing stock and Albion go hand in hand lately, anybody left who had any imput into this release clause should be sacked. Leicester offered 27 million last summer that's a loss of 23.5 million :o is garlick forgive spelling still employed by club and if so what's his role.
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Did we (the fans) know that he had a terrible release clause at that time? Just for the sake of clarity.
The £3m buyout was first mooted by poster Foster#1 on 20th January "Daily star saying he has a 3m relegation clause" and on 22nd January BaggieBirdRus posted "It's true about Jonny leaving for £3 mill if we are relegated".
After that and up to 31st January, when the window closed, there was no further reference or confirmation and certainly there was no urgency from fans to sell him because of the £3m buyout, which is quite surprising. I would have thought that would have been a driver for fans wanting to sell him more than any other issue, but it wasn't.
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I honestly can’t see the issue with the fee, yes the release clause was set too low but I don’t disagree with the decision not to sell, had we sold him and got relegated people would have slated the decision, he was kept with the hope he’d help us survive but it didn’t work out, had we survived though it would have been worth more to the club than 27mil or whatever it was, it was a gamble with taking but unfortunately didn’t come off.
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Has now passed a medical, hope we have done a lescott!!!
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Has now passed a medical, hope we have done a lescott!!!
It will be a relief for all parties when he eventually signs for them.
Personally, I wish him well.
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Laughing stock and Albion go hand in hand lately, anybody left who had any imput into this release clause should be sacked. Leicester offered 27 million last summer that's a loss of 23.5 million :o is garlick forgive spelling still employed by club and if so what's his role.
If Albion had accept that bid in the summer you would have criticised them then and no doubt called the club a laughing stock.
Nobody within the club expected to have such a disastrous season. The club was also right not to sell in January given we would have need our best and most experienced players to try and turn our fortunes around.
As it happens, he turned into a **** and I'll be glad to see the back of him.
And I don't criticise the club for the clause either - it was likely either that or we wouldn't have signed him at all.
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Look at how many points we picked up last season with him compared to without him. Not only that, the team performances too! For how poor we were all season, we looked far better without him.
As great as he was when he joined, it quickly turned sour.. good luck to him, good luck to Leicester with him and his current attitude and commitment levels!
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If Albion had accept that bid in the summer you would have criticised them then and no doubt called the club a laughing stock.
Nobody within the club expected to have such a disastrous season. The club was also right not to sell in January given we would have need our best and most experienced players to try and turn our fortunes around.
As it happens, he turned into a **** and I'll be glad to see the back of him.
And I don't criticise the club for the clause either - it was likely either that or we wouldn't have signed him at all.
if I new the relegation clause I would have snapped their hands off as like so many clubs in that league we were constantly fighting the drop
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Looks as thought it’s completed. 3 year deal to Leicester.
We should be gutted to see him leave but I literally couldn’t care less if I tried.
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Looks as thought it’s completed. 3 year deal to Leicester.
We should be gutted to see him leave but I literally couldn’t care less if I tried.
I'd be more disappointed if he stayed.
Says it all about the bloke and the game, this time last year he was a £25m footballer.
Now only one team has come in for him and paid £3.5m
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I've had a look back to January 2018 in the Jonny Evans posts in the "Albion Transfer Forum" and the "West Bromwich Albion FC Forum".
In reading through posts, I can find not one single poster that expressed, in my view, any great desire or conviction or determination or were adamant that we should sell Evans for £12m to Arsenal.
Quite the reverse, many though his value was anywhere between £20m to £35m and a bid of £12m from Arsenal was Arsenal taking the p!&s. Nor were there any dissenting posts, shortly after that January window had closed, that held strong views about not selling him.
In many cases posters wanted to hold on to him, considering him to be our best player, some saw benefit in selling him but only to enable us to bring in other players or selling him to finance wages for a loan striker(s) etc. There was much toing and froing on the merits about taking Gibbs and / or Debuchy from Arsenal in return for Evans. Some posters said they wouldn't miss Evans, but that's not the same as saying sell him for £12m as he his on the downhill slope.
But here we are, nearly 5 months later and there appears to be many now saying we should have sold Evans in January. The time to have expressed those views, if you felt that strongly and had that conviction, was in January 2018, well hindsight is wonderful vision.
It appears that, and understandably so, attitudes changed towards Evans after "Taxigate". He and three other Albion players made big mistakes that evening / morning of which there is no route back in some peoples eyes.
I wrote this on January 29th in response to Jacko; whilst, granted, I don't mention Arsenal I'm clearly saying we should sell him.
Perhaps, but blame for goals is often the perception of the fan though, as an example many have blamed Gibbs for Evertons equaliser but Brunt for me is equally, if not more, to blame and interestingly the commentator on MOTD and some reporters have also laid the blame with Brunt. As I say it's all about opinions. McClean got blamed by many on here (including you) for the goal against Spurs when it was clearly Evans sleeping while Kane just tapped in unchallenged in front of him that was at fault.
Yes he is a high value saleable asset and that (coupled with his drop in form) is why we should cash in on him.
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Confirmed now.
https://twitter.com/WBA/status/1005011561075765248
Be nice to see the closing of this topic and the club moving on from the long running saga
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I wrote this on January 29th in response to Jacko; whilst, granted, I don't mention Arsenal I'm clearly saying we should sell him.
What are you after a round of applause?
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What are you after a round of applause?
If you like ::)
It was in response to the other poster saying that no one had said we should sell Evans in the transfer window, I was merely pointing out that I had.
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All the best Johnnie you were a great signing for us until City turned your head.
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One down, a few more to go. Leicester have had an absolute steal. His wage will pay for three decent Championship players.
Be interesting to see if he can rediscover his early form here at Leicester, I can't say I blame him for turning to car crime instead of wanting to play for Pardew.
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If he'd have just got his head down and played like he had done for the previous two seasons I'd be wishing him well, but with his poor form and the Barcelona incident I just can't.
His comments about Leicester fans getting behind the team seem like a dig at us.
Why are we taking the fee in 2 installments, surely Leicester can afford to pay £3.5M up front?
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If he'd have just got his head down and played like he had done for the previous two seasons I'd be wishing him well, but with his poor form and the Barcelona incident I just can't.
Agreed, his legacy should be that of the best centre back I have ever seen in an Albion shirt (I go back to the late 80's so can only comment back that far) but instead the previous season has been largely forgotten and his legacy as an Albion player will be forever tainted by last season.
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Glad its official now, he was always going to go.
If Leicester get the Evans of 12 months ago they have a class act, if they get one of the last 12 months we have robbed them blind.
Another one of a group of players i will be quite happy to see go, he is slightly different as he was good the first two years but the last year has soured things.
However Sturridge and Greg have also gone and hopefully Chadli and Barry not far behind, as those 4, give or take the odd moment have contributed very little to us and earnt a fortune in the process.
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Slow clap...don't let the door hit your vagina on the way out Johnny
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I wrote this on January 29th in response to Jacko; whilst, granted, I don't mention Arsenal I'm clearly saying we should sell him.
But yesterday you wrote "I said at the time we should have sold Evans for £12M to Arsenal, his head was elsewhere and his form had been in decline for months."
Bit of a contradiction there
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I was disappointed to read the comments below, attributed to Evans, on joining Leicester that appeared on the BBC Sports website
"It's an ambitious club, the owners are ambitious and everyone wants to push the club forward."
"It's a great place to play football, the fans really get behind the team and the players are fantastic."
To me, he is implying the opposite was the case with us, but I could be wrong.
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Glad its finally over.
What I don't understand is why are Leicester being allowed to pay in two instalments?
Its likely that the first payment is in the current financial year and the second payment put into next years figures,which would appear as pure profit.
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He was very good for a while but we should've cashed when we had the chance. He was a shadow the player he was in his first season and if you look at his career it's been patchy with promise but then significant periods where he's made mistakes or lost his place/ form.
We'll miss the Evans of a couple of years ago but his attitude this year absolutely stank after Barcelona. Therefore in summary, a good time to split. It's just a shame our board were so reckless as to agree to his paltry release fee. Oh well, it's still 3.5m
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I'm sad to say that I'm glad we are now rid of him.
Rated him exteremely highly but things seemed to start going awry when Fletcher moved to Stoke.
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Agreed, his legacy should be that of the best centre back I have ever seen in an Albion shirt (I go back to the late 80's so can only comment back that far) but instead the previous season has been largely forgotten and his legacy as an Albion player will be forever tainted by last season.
wouldn't come close to Wile and Robertson nor indeed Martin Bennett. Three of the best centre halves I've had the pleasure to watch down the Hawthorns.
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wouldn't come close to Wile and Robertson nor indeed Martin Bennett. Three of the best centre halves I've had the pleasure to watch down the Hawthorns.
Sadly I didn't have such pleasure, I grew up watching Burgess, Mardon, Raven and Strodder, legends in their own right but sadly not quite the same level of quality.
Matt Carbon before he shaved his hair off, however...
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But yesterday you wrote "I said at the time we should have sold Evans for £12M to Arsenal, his head was elsewhere and his form had been in decline for months."
Bit of a contradiction there
oh okay then, I thought it was when Arsenal had made the bid but was in fact before the bid, the point remains that I said we should sell him in the January window; but hey we have finally sold him and that's what's important.
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I can't blame him for wanting to play in the Prem but he has been a massive disappointment this season. I wish him well but it's criminal of the club to put us in the position of letting him go for £3 million. I didn't want to lose Evans, but if I had of known that he had that release clause then I would have been all for selling him for £20m+. Now we lose arguably our most valuable player for peanuts. Disgraceful.
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Claude Puel ‘Evans a winner & leader’ did Leicester sign a different Jonny Evans or was it the guy that captained the team who finished bottom of the league, went on a club record run of games without winning & who got inebriated up and thieved a taxi whilst on club duty?
Shouldn’t have ever been allowed to leave for the amount he has but if Leicester are relying on him for his leadership they will be in exactly the same position we were this season.
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Claude Puel ‘Evans a winner & leader’ did Leicester sign a different Jonny Evans or was it the guy that captained the team who finished bottom of the league, went on a club record run of games without winning & who got inebriated up and thieved a taxi whilst on club duty?
Shouldn’t have ever been allowed to leave for the amount he has but if Leicester are relying on him for his leadership they will be in exactly the same position we were this season.
That's a fair comment but let's not underestimate the affect that the other behind the scenes activities have played in his and many other of our "best" players form this season. Let's also not forget he was majestic for 2 seasons.
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All I know is we looked better off without Evans than we did with him and for that Big Dave has to be given the credit. Perhaps had he been here and not Pardew he would've gone in January.
Goodbye, not so much good riddance, but I'm not remotely bothered to be selling a sub. Just feel let down by the club that we missed out on an awful lot of money in a short space of time.
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If he'd have just got his head down and played like he had done for the previous two seasons I'd be wishing him well, but with his poor form and the Barcelona incident I just can't.
His comments about Leicester fans getting behind the team seem like a dig at us.
Why are we taking the fee in 2 installments, surely Leicester can afford to pay £3.5M up front?
I'll admit to not having read any of the articles relating to this transfer being completed.
But from memory of past articles it's not really £3.5 million as his agent was after a £4 million admin' fee.
Bit more of a chunk there if so, even though I'd imagine the agent's fee would probably be staggered too.
On another note staggered fees (applied across several outgoings no doubt) may suit our own purposes regarding tax commitments.
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All I know is we looked better off without Evans than we did with him and for that Big Dave has to be given the credit. Perhaps had he been here and not Pardew he would've gone in January.
Goodbye, not so much good riddance, but I'm not remotely bothered to be selling a sub. Just feel let down by the club that we missed out on an awful lot of money in a short space of time.
Your last sentence is pretty much how I feel however I think if we had bought in a capable manager instead of Pardjoke we could have seen him back to his best. The powers that be are responsible for what has happened to us this season. They got it wrong in the transfer window and also with the timing of sacking Pulis and above all the appointment of Pardew. I know most people hate him, but if the club had of appointed the likes of Allardyce or someone of similar ability, we would still be a Premier League team.
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Pleased he has gone, I was hoping this would occur early in the Summer. We need players who respect the club and committed to progressing.
I think it says a lot about his (overall) performance and attitude that having almost 100 premier league apps, the fans still view him so poorly.
The incident in Barcelona - as captain of our club - was appalling.
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He's an excellent defender on his day. A proper leader on the pitch as well.
That said, I'm not sad to see the back of him. His behaviour and attitude has left a very sour taste.
I'll look on the bright side and say that frees up around 70k a week for a couple of younger players to bolster our promotion challenge.
Also a level of schadenfreude at the fact that a move to a city/utd/arsenal/spurs team never materialised.
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oh okay then, I thought it was when Arsenal had made the bid but was in fact before the bid, the point remains that I said we should sell him in the January window; but hey we have finally sold him and that's what's important.
Oh what a graceful double down :D
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Delighted to see him go but could have sold him last summer for £20m+.
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Delighted to see him go but could have sold him last summer for £20m+.
We could have but there would have been absolute uproar if we did
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Can’t shake the rubbish feeling that we are on the wrong end of one of the premier league bargains of the summer. 3 or 3 1/2 million for a player of his quality in this crazy market is a real steal. I won’t comment on the decision to allow the release clause too much, as we did well to sign him in the first place, but I do wonder if a better negotiator would have realised the deal was hugely flawed.
I am glad to see the back of him though. Totally unprofessional these past 12 months, finished with a txt message on the final day of the season to say he couldn’t be arsed to go on the bench.
Great signing for Leicester, but let himself down badly here.
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I'm not sad to see him go and if I'm honest I'm generally happy with the release clause.
I imagine the clause was instrumental in his initial signing for us and we did get some good service out of him to begin with. As many have alluded to he is clearly a talented footballer; if he had continued to show this and with better management the clause would have been irrelevant. Should we have sold him earlier when we had better offers? In hindsight yes (financially) but it would have been a clear signal that we had given up at Christmas cashing in on an asset because we were concerned his value would drop if relegated.
My one problem, and I think this says more about modern footballers, how genuine were his attempts to keep us up knowing that he was guaranteed a payday if we went down? For me, it is almost as bad as those players who, after relegation, bleed their clubs dry taking wages that they know the club can not afford.
Good luck to Leicester, you may have a bargain, you may have a wrong un.
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Never rated him that highly, glad to see him go.
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Be glad to watch him continue his imploding next season, always thought he was a bit higher rated here than he actually was.
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I think he'll excel at Leicester. He'll simply get back to the best of what we saw of him here in my opinion. This season was a blip for him for whatever reasons. He let himself here down towards the end and it was summed up by being a substitute during our best spell of the season. Personally won't forget him as being an important part of what was our best Premiership defence ever, but he sort of undid that with the last 6 months.
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No matter how good he was for the first two seasons he was appalling in his final season and that was the season that mattered. We were under the cosh almost from the start and our club captain bailed out. I hope Leicester aren't counting on him being up for it in a relegation battle because he isn't.
I am not sure that he will be a success at Leicester players can't switch on and off like light bulbs once they start to slide often they carry on sliding. A 3 year contract a £80k a week no pay increase and no interest from Arsenal nor Man City let's see how it goes, I hope badly.
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Just glad he's gone. He went from hero (ish) to zero. Lousy attitude that we don't need.
What worries me slightly is that we've had a number of these, Peter Odemwhinger, Saido, Anelka...
How much of it is a discontent with how our club is/ has been run? I do wonder about that sometimes.
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Just glad he's gone. He went from hero (ish) to zero. Lousy attitude that we don't need.
What worries me slightly is that we've had a number of these, Peter Odemwhinger, Saido, Anelka...
How much of it is a discontent with how our club is/ has been run? I do wonder about that sometimes.
I wouldn't suggest our club is perfect when it comes to how it treats players, but the names you mention are flawed characters in my view and not representative of the vast majority of decent characters we've had over the years.
Strange that those you mention aren't of yours and mine era, or is it?. We could never have imagined any of the '68 era team or '78 era team behaving in the manor that some do today. But in those days players were closer to the fans, drank in the same pubs, had a night out with their families in the same restaurants and didn't earn too much more than some fans.
But the millionaire lifestyle of the top leagues players has changed all of that, for the worse in my opinion. However, I understand it's not just a simple as that, because fame and wealth come with a different set of challenges for what are working class blokes, in the main, that are good at sport and may not be able to handle all that comes with that talent.
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I'd also point out that those players mentioned haven't gone on to better things and have just exhibited the same symptoms so not exclusive to west Brom.
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I don't hold any major grudges against Evans. Yes he was club captain and the Barcelona episode was bad but it was also a major indication that whatever Pardew was trying to do with the squad wasn't working. Pardew's presence on top of not getting his move to Man City or Arsenal of course.
Evans is a good footballer, can certainly be a good CB, does a decent job at LB and did a decent job at DM once or twice. At least now he won't have to cope with Vardy (in matches anyway) as all our CB's have had nightmares against him.
After what's happened with Berahino (since the Spurs 'offer' - I know we had a problem with the structure of that offer) and Evans, maybe if we get good offers and the player wants to go, just get it over with, get the money in and move on.
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Strange that those you mention aren't of yours and mine era, or is it?. We could never have imagined any of the '68 era team or '78 era team behaving in the manor that some do today. But in those days players were closer to the fans, drank in the same pubs, had a night out with their families in the same restaurants and didn't earn too much more than some fans.
That's very very true. Wasn't Cyrille torn between a career as a player and as an electrician? I'm too old sometimes, I think, I do miss the values players used to have.
I'd also point out that those players mentioned haven't gone on to better things and have just exhibited the same symptoms so not exclusive to west Brom.
That's a damn fine point too - made me feel a whole lot better!
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2 solid seasons and 1 disaster. Episode over and we can move on.
Hopefully myhill and Barry to follow him on way out of the door
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Kind of a Mix about how I feel now he has gone Happy because his Wages can be used on Someone else and angry because he know gets to Steal a Living at another club when he doesn't dessert it yet alone a Premier League Club.
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Kind of a Mix about how I feel now he has gone Happy because his Wages can be used on Someone else and angry because he know gets to Steal a Living at another club when he doesn't dessert it yet alone a Premier League Club.
As long as we push as much of this attitude out of our club, BB, then good riddance. Football is full of greedy players who will down tools if they aren't happy. We don't need that at the Albion, whatever division we are in.
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Always failed to see what all the fuss about him was. Didn't rate him much and his attitude in the end appeared to be very poor. May not be such a great loss although the money would have been handy.
Lets hope Leicester are not in a dog fight or they'll realise he's not the man for the job.
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Garlick confirms he was involved in negotiations with Evans representatives when it came to his contract and relegation release clause. Bloke should be sacked for gross misconduct for bending to players will and not putting club first, no player should have release clause which is less than initial investment.
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Garlick confirms he was involved in negotiations with Evans representatives when it came to his contract and relegation release clause. Bloke should be sacked for gross misconduct for bending to players will and not putting club first, no player should have release clause which is less than initial investment.
We bought him for football reasons & decided not to sell him at a profit for football reasons. I'm not sure that RG was the final arbiter in the decision making process.
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Garlick confirms he was involved in negotiations with Evans representatives when it came to his contract and relegation release clause. Bloke should be sacked for gross misconduct for bending to players will and not putting club first, no player should have release clause which is less than initial investment.
He’s said we wouldn’t have got him if it wasn’t in the contract so what do you do? Not put it in and not sign him or take a chance?
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Garlick confirms he was involved in negotiations with Evans representatives when it came to his contract and relegation release clause. Bloke should be sacked for gross misconduct for bending to players will and not putting club first, no player should have release clause which is less than initial investment.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We all thought that it was a wonderful signing at the time and RG no doubt received several pats on the back for it. He was excellent for two years and I think we got our moneys worth. I think the real issue here is the messing around by the board when we were being offered decent money for him last year. Also the buy out clause has allowed us to get shot of him very quickly. What I find strange given the potential bidders last year is that he has chosen to go to Leicester. I can only assume that he wanted a regular place in the team, as opposed to being a bench warmer elsewhere.
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Power is with the players these days. If you want a player you bow down to him and his agent. No good blaming Garlick for a player and his agent dictating things. Players decide if a manager stays or not, they don't like him they down tools, we've seen it for years. Gone are the days when a manager rules the roost. Football at times stinks.
As for Evans, he was excellent from when he joined until his mate Fletcher left, then things changed and it seemed he couldn't get out quick enough.
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Garlick has merely confirmed what many have suspected that Evans wouldn't have signed without the release clause. I know players wield tremendous power but the club did not need to make matters worse by giving in to that demand. It's like playing poker and giving your opponent the opportunity to choose his cards.
It also set a bad precedent once you've agreed to it for one player it is difficult to say no to other players and while those for Rondon and Chadli are nowhere near as generous the impact is to largely negate the advantage of having the flex down clause in the contracts. We have no longer have the option of retaining players in the Championship and worse still we have zero control over the fee and critically when the clause might be triggered.
I also feel that this is the sort of thing that eats away at the dressing room. Evans was our top earner which players can accept but to have the bonus of an insurance policy against relegation on top I am sure caused tension particularly when he started phoning it in last season.
This is not advantage of hindsight stuff had I known this was the case at the outset I would have been equally unhappy with it at the time. The problem was in all probability we didn't have an alternative or least one that myopic Tony would have approved of. With an £80,000 a week salary on offer there should have been alternatives and good ones who we could have signed without the need for a relegation release clause.
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Garlick has merely confirmed what many have suspected that Evans wouldn't have signed without the release clause. I know players wield tremendous power but the club did not need to make matters worse by giving in to that demand. It's like playing poker and giving your opponent the opportunity to choose his cards.
It also set a bad precedent once you've agreed to it for one player it is difficult to say no to other players and while those for Rondon and Chadli are nowhere near as generous the impact is to largely negate the advantage of having the flex down clause in the contracts. We have no longer have the option of retaining players in the Championship and worse still we have zero control over the fee and critically when the clause might be triggered.
I also feel that this is the sort of thing that eats away at the dressing room. Evans was our top earner which players can accept but to have the bonus of an insurance policy against relegation on top I am sure caused tension particularly when he started phoning it in last season.
This is not advantage of hindsight stuff had I known this was the case at the outset I would have been equally unhappy with it at the time. The problem was in all probability we didn't have an alternative or least one that myopic Tony would have approved of. With an £80,000 a week salary on offer there should have been alternatives and good ones who we could have signed without the need for a relegation release clause.
IMO that was exactly the problem, & all of the comments coming from the club since relegation seems to support that argument.
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Just forget him guys he's gone & in truth he's been gone for over a year.
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You look at any player looking at this club and how we dealt with Berainho and Evans and any player worth his salt will be asking for clauses. We've rejected fair bids for both players in the past and essentially kept them here against their will which has devalued them dramatically and in the case of Saido resulted in a career implosion (which the player is also to be blamed mind).
I have no qualms with including release clauses for players. However in this instance it has also outlined the absolute stupidity of the club yet again. Got visions of Oliver when this club is conducting outgoing business.
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You look at any player looking at this club and how we dealt with Berainho and Evans and any player worth his salt will be asking for clauses. We've rejected fair bids for both players in the past and essentially kept them here against their will which has devalued them dramatically and in the case of Saido resulted in a career implosion (which the player is also to be blamed mind).
I have no qualms with including release clauses for players. However in this instance it has also outlined the absolute stupidity of the club yet again. Got visions of Oliver when this club is conducting outgoing business.
the club has absolutely no obligation to accept any bids for players regardless of whether it’s a fair amount, to a club our size it would have cost far more than the offers made to replace the players with the same qiluality. Players sign contracts committing themselves to clubs for a period of time if they have no intention of honouring those contracts they shouldn’t sign them, they chose the sign the contracts for the set period, the club weren’t holding them against their will when They were in the office signing the deal they agreed.
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No matter what people say majority of fans had to be shocked at the size of release clause and reading between lines of Garlicks statement he sold club short by agreeing or even suggesting the amount to be paid in event of relegation and should be sacked.
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No matter what people say majority of fans had to be shocked at the size of release clause and reading between lines of Garlicks statement he sold club short by agreeing or even suggesting the amount to be paid in event of relegation and should be sacked.
If the person who owned the club, OK'd it, I'm not sure why you're so angry about it.
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Negotiating a good deal is really very easy when you’re not the one doing the negotiating.
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the club has absolutely no obligation to accept any bids for players regardless of whether it’s a fair amount, to a club our size it would have cost far more than the offers made to replace the players with the same qiluality. Players sign contracts committing themselves to clubs for a period of time if they have no intention of honouring those contracts they shouldn’t sign them, they chose the sign the contracts for the set period, the club weren’t holding them against their will when They were in the office signing the deal they agreed.
Let's be honest. We'd struggle to replace Evans' quality full stop whenever he left for whatever price. Instead of getting around £20m for him in January, we got £3.5m in June. And it turned out we looked better with Dawson at CB and Nyom at RB. Cost of Evans' replacement?
The handling of both players in hindsight has been irresponsible financially and in the case of one detrimental to their career (although as I said I'll concede that it was as much the players own doing).
In the case of Evans, all things considering the offer on the table was far exceeding his form especially when all factors are considered.
We done ourselves out of about £30m with respect to Saido and Evans. Both players left here as essentially subs, not too hard to replace those is it?
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No matter what people say majority of fans had to be shocked at the size of release clause and reading between lines of Garlicks statement he sold club short by agreeing or even suggesting the amount to be paid in event of relegation and should be sacked.
I think that everyone was surprised at the size of the release clause, my Leicester supporting colleagues cannot believe their luck judging by their excitement at this signing. However, would any one of us actually said 'hold on a sec' had we have known about this figure when we signed him? and when it would be triggered? I seriously doubt it as we all thought he was a quality signing and not many of us thought we would be relegated so quickly. Garlick did what he needed to do to get him to sign, not that it makes it right.
Its academic anyway as he is gone and as others have said, we just need to forget about him and move on.
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I think that everyone was surprised at the size of the release clause, my Leicester supporting colleagues cannot believe their luck judging by their excitement at this signing. However, would any one of us actually said 'hold on a sec' had we have known about this figure when we signed him? and when it would be triggered? I seriously doubt it as we all thought he was a quality signing and not many of us thought we would be relegated so quickly. Garlick did what he needed to do to get him to sign, not that it makes it right.
Its academic anyway as he is gone and as others have said, we just need to forget about him and move on.
but the prat that was involved in signing him is still here
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He's working his notice.
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but the prat that was involved in signing him is still here
11 days until he joins the Premier League. Obviously, we haven't replaced him either.
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I wish he'd just go, sick of seeing his name on this board
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Seconded,close it down
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Seconded,close it down
perhaps you might want to stop posting in the thread then?
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perhaps you might want to stop posting in the thread then?
I did think exactly this. There are a number of threads that have disappeared into the abyss of pages 2, 3 and 4 of this sub-forum because of a lack of activity not because they were closed.
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Anyone notice how this guy seems to turn out week in week out for Leicester. His injury record was not the best with us, kept missing games here and there. it makes me wonder if he ever wanted to play for us
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Anyone notice how this guy seems to turn out week in week out for Leicester. His injury record was not the best with us, kept missing games here and there. it makes me wonder if he ever wanted to play for us
Not so much after his pal Darren left, we were always beneath him in his eyes really, he signed when he was in a huff with Man Utd I think
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The day fletcher left (insulted by the contract we had offered him) Evans wanted out. Its all good saying we shoud of sold him for the 20 million whatever numbers were mentioned but he was key to everything for us at the time. I like others wouldn't applaud him should he ever return.
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Anyone notice how this guy seems to turn out week in week out for Leicester. His injury record was not the best with us, kept missing games here and there. it makes me wonder if he ever wanted to play for us
A lot of players go through phases where they have a run of injuries and then stay clear for a while. Form can also drop off when they are in that run of injures. Maybe the training regimes at Leicester or whatever he's doing himself now is suiting him better.
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Anyone notice how this guy seems to turn out week in week out for Leicester. His injury record was not the best with us, kept missing games here and there. it makes me wonder if he ever wanted to play for us
Very much like Chadli
I wouldnt want to play for Pulis either to be fair ;D
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I thought the bell end stopped playing for us in his last season knowing that us going down would benefit as he could go for £3.5m.
If he ever comes back as an opposition player, I won't clap him.
I agree, he was a disappointment overall as a player, we got money back on him so not all negative.
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his performances did go down once fletcher left and he obviously wanted out like others have mentioned but in my opinion he is the best centre half we have ever had in the premier league.
his composure on the ball in his own box was fantastic and at the time he was too good for us.
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his performances did go down once fletcher left and he obviously wanted out like others have mentioned but in my opinion he is the best centre half we have ever had in the premier league.
his composure on the ball in his own box was fantastic and at the time he was too good for us.
See I disagree with this completely. I thought he was vastly overrated, simply for the fact he came from Man Utd. He wasn't that good, McAuley was a better defender, and Evans was never really arsed to play for us.
One moment that sticks in the mind is when we were playing Leicester. Vardy got in behind Evans, and he simply gave up; McAuley came across and at 34/35 still nearly caught Vardy before he scored. If Evans had tried to get back, he could have. But he didn't, because we were beneath him and he didn't care. And this was well before his last season with us.
I would have got rid at the first opportunity, and reinvested. People just had stars in their eyes, but he was rubbish.
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Bored people waiting for some transfer activity me thinks.............. like me ;)
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Evans is a classy defender I think but wasn't our best defender I've seen in recent years (I'd pick a McCauley in his prime ahead of him all day). It was pretty clear he saw us as being below him and was always waiting for a better offer which eventually came. On the flip side, he gave us a couple of good years overall. The last six months or so he simply wasn't interested in being here which was maybe a bit disrespectful to the club but it's indicative of many/ most players these days who are only ever month or two away from their next move.
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I thought the bell end stopped playing for us in his last season knowing that us going down would benefit as he could go for £3.5m.
If he ever comes back as an opposition player, I won't clap him.
This, he wanted to go in the end and was let his peformances dip. Not the only one in the team who did it.
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This, he wanted to go in the end and was let his peformances dip. Not the only one in the team who did it.
Dawson IMHO was the same that last season in the PL.
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See I disagree with this completely. I thought he was vastly overrated, simply for the fact he came from Man Utd. He wasn't that good, McAuley was a better defender, and Evans was never really arsed to play for us.
One moment that sticks in the mind is when we were playing Leicester. Vardy got in behind Evans, and he simply gave up; McAuley came across and at 34/35 still nearly caught Vardy before he scored. If Evans had tried to get back, he could have. But he didn't, because we were beneath him and he didn't care. And this was well before his last season with us.
I would have got rid at the first opportunity, and reinvested. People just had stars in their eyes, but he was rubbish.
its mad that we see completely different things as football fans but i guess thats football for you !
Mccauley was a better out and out defender, but as an overall centre half and in todays game how it is becoming more and more expected to be comfortable on the ball, i do think Evans is the best centre half we had in the premier league. I just think the first 2 seasons he oozed class and composure on the ball.
and as i have just said about it becoming more and more expected/popular for a centre half to be comfortable on the ball, i think thats what olsson seriously struggled with in the final year or two of being here. Mccauley wasnt just a "stopper" he could bring the ball out and a fantastic player for us and servant to the club but to judge them both as overall players, i think Evans was better.
but as others have said, i will never clap him if he returns to the Hawthorns again simply for the way he was in that final year of not really giving a shi* and the taxi fiasco in spain when he was club captain.
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the club carried some real dead wood for large parts of that season, (Chadli / Evans / Krychowiak / Sturridge for starters) its pretty remarkable that we were still fighting with a few games left IMO.
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Yet again it is fascinating to see differing opinions. In my honest opinion he was, and still is, a class act.
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He was just ahead of G-Mac for me in the first 2 seasons but was generally poor in the relegation season.
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Evans was a class act especially in his first 2 seasons. His performance away at Man Utd in the 0-0 draw was one of the best I've seen from one of our CH's. The fact than Man City bid for him and he still plays in the Prem speaks volumes.
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Evans was a class act especially in his first 2 seasons. His performance away at Man Utd in the 0-0 draw was one of the best I've seen from one of our CH's. The fact than Man City bid for him and he still plays in the Prem speaks volumes.
Phil Jones still plays for Man Utd, Scott Carson is a Man City player. Sometimes it's about something other than quality.
For what it's worth, I think if you swapped him and Maguire Leicester would be better and United even worse.
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Evans was a class act especially in his first 2 seasons. His performance away at Man Utd in the 0-0 draw was one of the best I've seen from one of our CH's. The fact than Man City bid for him and he still plays in the Prem speaks volumes.
I agree with that, best defender I have seen down there for a very long time. I could not believe it when we signed him and for the first two years he was excellent, but as soon as the Pulis style went stale, his performance dropped and he could see the writing on the wall. It is disappointing but he was not the only one in our squad. He is a regular now with Leicester and rightly so - still looks class.
Lets be fair, that season when we had Chadli, Sturridge, Krychowiak etc was not our finest moment, I can see how demoralising it would have been for a class player like Evans in that squad.
I respect him for the two good seasons he gave us.
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The guy was pure class. Way too good in every department.
People slagging this guy off need to look at themselves. He is one of the first names on the team sheet for the team sitting 2nd in the Premier league :D
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Mods, any chance of ending the Jonny Evans love in please? One thing is for sure, e ay cummin back ere.
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Mods, any chance of ending the Jonny Evans love in please? One thing is for sure, e ay cummin back ere.
Nope, if we do we get moaned at and if we don't we get moaned so it stays
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See I disagree with this completely. I thought he was vastly overrated, simply for the fact he came from Man Utd. He wasn't that good, McAuley was a better defender, and Evans was never really arsed to play for us.
One moment that sticks in the mind is when we were playing Leicester. Vardy got in behind Evans, and he simply gave up; McAuley came across and at 34/35 still nearly caught Vardy before he scored. If Evans had tried to get back, he could have. But he didn't, because we were beneath him and he didn't care. And this was well before his last season with us.
I would have got rid at the first opportunity, and reinvested. People just had stars in their eyes, but he was rubbish.
McAuley must have found a shortcut then :) All our central defenders had absolute nightmares against Vardy.
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McAuley must have found a shortcut then :) All our central defenders had absolute nightmares against Vardy.
All ouf our defenders were useless against anybody with pace. It was horrible to watch.
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Evans had some sort of concentration lapse almost every game, he played well at full back, never convinced by him as a centre back.
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Really surprised by some of the comments on here. For me, Evans and Macauley are the best two centre halves we have had in my lifetime. They weren’t perfect (Lukaku at Goodson springs to mind), but Evans’ subsequent success at Leicester tells you everything you need to know. A genuinely top class defender.
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Really surprised by some of the comments on here. For me, Evans and Macauley are the best two centre halves we have had in my lifetime. They weren’t perfect (Lukaku at Goodson springs to mind), but Evans’ subsequent success at Leicester tells you everything you need to know. A genuinely top class defender.
No one is disputing his qualities its more about his attitude and the way he left.
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No one is disputing his qualities its more about his attitude and the way he left.
er, some are and in their opinions saying Mccauley was better when others think that is just unbelievable.
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There were comments on this forum that we were in danger of following Bolton and Portsmouth down the dangerous path of taking on "established" big names who would show no loyalty, Anelka being another obvious one, we probably have better reserves of money/ fanbase than those 2 clubs but it will still be a massive problem if we don't go up before the parachute payments run out. Hopefully the Pereira find will show we are now thinking more like when we found Gera and Koren.
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There were comments on this forum that we were in danger of following Bolton and Portsmouth down the dangerous path of taking on "established" big names who would show no loyalty, Anelka being another obvious one, we probably have better reserves of money/ fanbase than those 2 clubs but it will still be a massive problem if we don't go up before the parachute payments run out. Hopefully the Pereira find will show we are now thinking more like when we found Gera and Koren.
Unfortunately it appears that the Pareira signing was more to do with SB than our recruitment department and Dowling according to the article in the Athletic.