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Title: 21 Nov 2020 Manchester United 1 Albion 0
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 19, 2020, 09:59:03 PM
Manchester United v West Bromwich Albion

Saturday 21st November 20.00pm

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Title: In Game Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 19, 2020, 09:59:53 PM
Manchester United v West Bromwich Albion

Saturday 21st November 20.00pm

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Title: Pre Match Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 19, 2020, 10:00:17 PM
Manchester United v West Bromwich Albion

Saturday 21st November 20.00pm

Please use this board for all your Pre Match Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on November 06, 2020, 06:15:44 PM
Could be "managerless West Brom" v "managerless Man United" the way things are going
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: AbbeymeadBaggie on November 10, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
Curse of the Albion to strike again.

Ruhahahaha!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2020, 07:50:00 AM
3-0 United
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kc56wba on November 13, 2020, 10:40:29 AM
Now I dont make predictions usually but going to say 2-1 Albion.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Aussie Baggie on November 14, 2020, 10:58:58 PM
Best we can hope for here is a draw. I liked the way we played against Spurs, lot more energy and effort. If MP and BI are back that will make us look better.

I don’t want to see Furlong, Sawyers, Livermore or Phillips. I don’t want SJ either but we all know he’s going to be picked.

My team is:

Button (he’ll pick SJ)
O’Shea
Ivanovic
Ajayi
Townsend (I’d prefer Gibbs but he’s not training well apparently)
Kirov
Gallagher
Robinson
MP
Grady
Grant
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on November 15, 2020, 07:37:55 AM
  I expect us to line up as follows, although I suspect Phillips might make it onto the bench as usual. No place again for the likes of Grosicky, Austin.

                       Johnstone

                   Ajayi  Ivanovic  O'Shea

Furlong  Gallagher Jake Krov Townsend

                         Grant     Robinson

Subs: Button, Bartley, Gibbs, Sawyers, Pereira, Diangana, Edwards.

   
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on November 15, 2020, 10:13:27 AM
  I expect us to line up as follows, although I suspect Phillips might make it onto the bench as usual. No place again for the likes of Grosicky, Austin.

                       Johnstone

                   Ajayi  Ivanovic  O'Shea

Furlong  Gallagher Jake Krov Townsend

                         Grant     Robinson

Subs: Button, Bartley, Gibbs, Sawyers, Pereira, Diangana, Edwards.

 
Id expect the same although not sure on rules regarding Robinson being last to have tested positive for Covid.
Id like us to keep this formation for a while including the Sheff Utd game instead of changing too much .
To not have a forward instead of Austin on the bench and Phillips instead of Kamil is stupid.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on November 15, 2020, 11:45:59 PM
Our goal keeping options must be dire if no one can shift Johnstone. Townsend, Furlong and Bartley need to be dropped arnt doing it imo. Hopefully Pereira comes in at number 10 with Livermore dropped to bench. Grosicki has to get a place on bench for the inept Phillips.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie82 on November 16, 2020, 03:04:22 PM
Utd haven't won a home game yet which is extraordinary. We are going to get battered, no doubt about it in my mind.
Title: match officials
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 17, 2020, 10:54:22 AM
Referee: David Coote
Assistant Referee: Lee Betts
Assistant Referee: Nick Hopton
Fourth Official: Martin Atkinson
Video Assistant Referee: Peter Bankes
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Andrew Halliday
Title: Re: match officials
Post by: wodenson46 on November 17, 2020, 12:14:43 PM
Don't think I know this one, but will not expect him to give much against Man Utd, as if they would need it. Getting deeper into depression as 'shielding mk2' begins to bite, and match day approaches.
Any body with any info on this Coote bloke?
Title: Re: match officials
Post by: SmethDan on November 17, 2020, 12:57:37 PM
No but he doesn't look very popular with Liverpool supporters......

https://www.google.com/search?q=coote&oq=coote&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i457j0j46j46i175i199.3092j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

...... I haven't read any of the links by the way.
Title: Re: match officials
Post by: Albionic on November 17, 2020, 01:58:02 PM
No but he doesn't look very popular with Liverpool supporters......

https://www.google.com/search?q=coote&oq=coote&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i457j0j46j46i175i199.3092j0j4&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

...... I haven't read any of the links by the way.

he was the VAR ref who gave nothing for Pickfords assault on van Dyke
Title: Re: match officials
Post by: SmethDan on November 17, 2020, 02:24:56 PM
he was the VAR ref who gave nothing for Pickfords assault on van Dyke

That would explain the headlines to be fair.
Title: Re: match officials
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 17, 2020, 02:47:11 PM
He reffed our 1-0 loss away at Leeds last season, didn't really give us anything in that game if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Webby on November 18, 2020, 04:44:12 PM
Utd 2 - Albion 5
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on November 18, 2020, 05:43:10 PM
Utd 2 - Albion 5
Man Utd 3 Albion 5 has a better ring too it.  :-*
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 19, 2020, 12:03:56 PM
Bilic just said in his presser that Pereira, Ivanovich and Callum are all available for Man Utd.

ASlso said he wants 5 subs not 3
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Albionic on November 19, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Bilic just said in his presser that Pereira, Ivanovich and Callum are all available for Man Utd.

ASlso said he wants 5 subs not 3

Looks like we will get Matty Phillips cameos ad infinitum then !

Good news that they are all available,  :D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 19, 2020, 12:26:52 PM
Phillips cameos please god no.  :o
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBA.R.K on November 19, 2020, 12:31:58 PM
Bilic has said that there are one or two confirmed cases but not said who.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2020, 12:37:35 PM
Phillips cameos please god no.  :o
Can but count ourselves lucky that Kanu isn't available!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 19, 2020, 01:18:15 PM
Can but count ourselves lucky that Kanu isn't available!

He would be by the time it was implemented though. Maybe thats why he wants it. Can guarantee HRK and Phillips 30 mins every week then.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: chipperclark on November 20, 2020, 01:28:19 AM
 ;D I am going for a 5-5 draw and Fergie will be at the match to watch history repeat itself ;D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 20, 2020, 09:00:15 AM
Any idea who's out with Covid?
I heard Johnstone almost had it but he stayed on his line and it went right past him, straight into the top corner.

This one's all about the performance for me, no real chance of a result, just need to build on Spurs.
Think it will be a cagey start but they will just have too much and will lead before halftime. Hope we score but doubt it.
3-0
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: AlbionFan on November 20, 2020, 09:05:07 AM
Can but count ourselves lucky that Kanu isn't available!

Yes indeed, he was about 50 when he left for Portsmouth  ;)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 20, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
Yes indeed, he was about 50 when he left for Portsmouth  ;)
He's probably 70 now and I'd still rather have him on the bench!  :)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on November 20, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
United can be ruthless or disastrous. Hard to predict which but if they score early we are in trouble. They struggle with teams that put men behind the ball though so if we do that a can stay in the game you’d get more confident about us potentially snatching something as the game goes on.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 20, 2020, 08:12:21 PM
United can be ruthless or disastrous. Hard to predict which but if they score early we are in trouble. They struggle with teams that put men behind the ball though so if we do that a can stay in the game you’d get more confident about us potentially snatching something as the game goes on.
Or losing 1-0 to an 88th minute goal?
You're right though, our best chance is to be solid and stay in it as long as possible and maybe hit them on the break?
I still think that, if Pereira, Diangana and Robinson are on it, we carry a threat. Livermore will get run ragged though which will put the defence under pressure.
I will still hold on to the hope that Button will get a game and solve our main problem though.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: alex1 on November 20, 2020, 08:56:53 PM
We tend to be good and resilient...until we concede.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Albionic on November 20, 2020, 09:04:45 PM
If we don’t go behind, I don’t think we will lose  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie96 on November 21, 2020, 12:16:42 AM
Stick with the 3 at the back for me, think we need the numbers at the back.

              Johnstone
       Ajayi Ivanovic O’Shea
Furlong    Livermore      Gibbs
        Krovinovic Gallagher
       Pereira Grant Robinson

Robinson and pereira as more number 10’s, similar to Everton away where we were excellent till Gibbs let us down. Love diangana but Robinson deserves his place.

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on November 21, 2020, 01:36:11 AM
If we don’t go behind, I don’t think we will lose  ;D ;D

It's a game of two halves  ;D .........








.......added time, Hawkeye and VAR  :-X .
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Baggies on November 21, 2020, 08:42:26 AM
So, our 9th game of the season (near enough the quarter way mark of the season). No win so far and not likely to get one today. A shock result on the back of the spurs performance could be the badly needed springboard we need, but regardless of result we need another battling performance this time out. If we crumble again then there will be a decision to make at the board room meeting next week.

Hard to get much enthusiasm for us at the moment but i'd like to see Bilic partner Periera with fast players either side of him who can break at pace. Useful for a counter attacking set up.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: HamsteadHarry on November 21, 2020, 10:19:43 AM
I think we'll hold out for a point today.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on November 21, 2020, 10:53:37 AM
So, our 9th game of the season (near enough the quarter way mark of the season). No win so far and not likely to get one today. A shock result on the back of the spurs performance could be the badly needed springboard we need, but regardless of result we need another battling performance this time out. If we crumble again then there will be a decision to make at the board room meeting next week.

Hard to get much enthusiasm for us at the moment but i'd like to see Bilic partner Periera with fast players either side of him who can break at pace. Useful for a counter attacking set up.

I think he will be ok. Unless we get pumped which is not beyond the realms. 4 goals or more and I think they could pull the trigger. Anything else and they’ll give him at least one of the upcoming crunch games.

I just hope we don’t consider early. 3/5 at the back worked well last week against a poor spurs for 85 mins, but I’m still not sure it’s the best way to go. Fairly sure he will stick with it though.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on November 21, 2020, 11:19:05 AM
Can't see anything other than a straightforward 2 or 3 nil to them. 
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 11:22:56 AM
Of the big 6 United's form is the most inconsistent they are at their best counter attacking and have really struggled to break down teams who have sat deep against them. I suspect we will be okay until we concede then if we chase the game we will get picked off. I can't be optimistic about this at all.

I agree with Baggies that a hammering brings up the question of Bilic's future again. Had we got something from Spurs this would be a free hit but we didn't and it isn't. The simple maths failing to pick up a win against Burnley,Fulham and Brightom means at somewhere along the line we have to get points against a team we would not expect to do so.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 21, 2020, 11:39:58 AM
Is the game on tv or pay per view?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2020, 11:47:09 AM
On standard Sky I think PPV RIP  :D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: superkev on November 21, 2020, 12:31:39 PM
No its showing as on BT not Sky
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 21, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
No its showing as on BT not Sky

Cheers SuperKev - will make sure we’re doing something interesting instead, like cutting our toe nails  :D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 02:58:27 PM
Stick with the 3 at the back for me, think we need the numbers at the back.

              Johnstone
       Ajayi Ivanovic O’Shea
Furlong    Livermore      Gibbs
        Krovinovic Gallagher
       Pereira Grant Robinson

Robinson and pereira as more number 10’s, similar to Everton away where we were excellent till Gibbs let us down. Love diangana but Robinson deserves his place.

Are we allowed to field 12 players?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 03:32:43 PM

Are we allowed to field 12 players?
Shhhhh they might not notice. If we could though, I'd be tempted to go 2 keepers!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 06:22:22 PM
Masi saying rumoured 3/4 players out with covid19.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: KYA on November 21, 2020, 06:25:31 PM
Masi saying rumoured 3/4 players out with covid19.
Great  :(
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 06:28:32 PM
Masi saying rumoured 3/4 players out with covid19.

Could be great news, could be terrible news, depends entirely who is affected 🙃
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2020, 06:31:31 PM
Could be great news, could be terrible news, depends entirely who is affected 🙃

A change a gk just imagine the scenes...
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 06:37:39 PM
Could be great news, could be terrible news, depends entirely who is affected 🙃

Classic Jacko.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 06:38:20 PM
If it forces Bilic hand regarding the GK and Livermore then could be interesting. Wishing all involved a speedy and complete recovery at the same time too regardless.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 06:42:46 PM
Stick with the 3 at the back for me, think we need the numbers at the back.

              Johnstone
       Ajayi Ivanovic O’Shea
Furlong    Livermore      Gibbs
        Krovinovic Gallagher
       Pereira Grant Robinson

Robinson and pereira as more number 10’s, similar to Everton away where we were excellent till Gibbs let us down. Love diangana but Robinson deserves his place.

Agreed. Definitely need all 12.  ;)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: hardtobeat on November 21, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
Masi saying rumoured 3/4 players out with covid19.
Been rumours around one of them is Grant
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: hardtobeat on November 21, 2020, 07:04:22 PM
No Livermore Sawyers in
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on November 21, 2020, 07:04:28 PM
Grant in Livermore out..Bartley Captain
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 07:05:29 PM
Tremendous news that Livermore is out, seems Gibbs one of the others.

He's still ****** up the team selection somehow by picking Sawyers over Krovinovic though.



Anyway, I'm slightly more positive about our chances nonetheless even with Bartley and these **** wingbacks.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Midfield looks very weak. Good on the ball but out of possession I’m not so sure.

Diangana up front?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: AlbionFan on November 21, 2020, 07:09:13 PM
Joseph Masi Tweeted

Johnstone, Furlong, Bartley, Ajayi, Ivanvoic, Townsend, Sawyers, Gallagher, Pereira, Diangana, Grant
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
Team looks ok to me

Sawyers has a lot to show he deserves a starting berth.

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 07:17:50 PM
Team looks ok to me

Sawyers has a lot to show he deserves a starting berth.

If Sawyers is anywhere near our defence we are in trouble. Keep him up up and away.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 07:17:59 PM

Miracles can happen,
C’mon you Baggies!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on November 21, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
What has Krovinovic done to be dropped and how the hell does Phillips get on bench? Calamity in back three is another head scratcher with O'Shea a much better option.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2020, 07:21:09 PM
What has Krovinovic done to be dropped and how the hell does Phillips get on bench? Calamity in back three is another head scratcher with O'Shea a much better option.

Baffling stuff from Slav tbh.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 07:21:48 PM
Team looks ok to me

Sawyers has a lot to show he deserves a starting berth.
Would !I've him to really step up and show his class.
Pereira the key, we need to get him on the ball.
Johnstone survives yet again though  ??? They will be looking for corners and pumping balls in tthe box. Fernandez should shoot on sight.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on November 21, 2020, 07:22:36 PM
Thought Robinson would start , Grady hasn't done well for a while now
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: hardtobeat on November 21, 2020, 07:24:10 PM
O’Shea has played three games since Spurs and been around an Ireland squad that has probably suffered more from COVID than most others who on here knows how he’s feeling or what physical condition he’s in ?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
Agreed. Maybe it’s because he’s been self isolating so not quite match fit compared.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: hardtobeat on November 21, 2020, 07:26:40 PM
With players being away , COVID virus , isolation around COVID I don’t think we are in any position to comment on selections for this game
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: albion59 on November 21, 2020, 07:32:45 PM
What has Krovinovic done to be dropped and how the hell does Phillips get on bench? Calamity in back three is another head scratcher with O'Shea a much better option.
He could be covid positive?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 21, 2020, 07:34:49 PM
HRK on for Grant after 60 mins............. No NOT my idea, buts that what will happen.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 07:35:19 PM
Paul Scholes and Rio presenting on BT Sport. Nice and unbiased  ???
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on November 21, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
He could be covid positive?
on bench
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: albion59 on November 21, 2020, 07:51:36 PM
on bench
Cheers haven't seen team yet don't understand that decision.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: KYA on November 21, 2020, 07:56:35 PM
Utd not playing that great all depends on which one shows up
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on November 21, 2020, 07:57:29 PM
Green and Yellow kit ? Normally in blue and white
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Aztech on November 21, 2020, 07:58:38 PM
What has Krovinovic done to be dropped and how the hell does Phillips get on bench? Calamity in back three is another head scratcher with O'Shea a much better option.

Probably one of those players who were positive following the last game
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 07:58:46 PM
Lucky colours?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:01:43 PM
Come on Lads. Do your stuff.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 08:02:29 PM
Be nice to get that winning feeling back
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:03:35 PM
SJ saves.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 08:03:54 PM
C’mon you Baggies!!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:04:56 PM
Reaction save.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
He cant bloody kick though can he
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: mank baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:05:53 PM
Well here goes nothing  uta 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:07:53 PM
Ok...decent start...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 08:08:49 PM
What's our shape here, Diangana and Pereira often looking very central and close to one another
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:09:59 PM
We are packing our box.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:10:37 PM
Diangana seems to be trying to support Grant with Pereira deeper
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:12:21 PM
They are closing Pereira down quickly
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggie79 on November 21, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
Only 80 minutes to go  :P
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:13:32 PM
Gallagher looking good again
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:17:28 PM
Fantastic save by SJ.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:17:47 PM
Johnstone again....what a stop that is
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: AlbionFan on November 21, 2020, 08:17:54 PM
My heart is in competition with my head
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:18:48 PM
Silly mistakes though....normally 1 down from that. Mistakes get punished in this league
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
Lovely passing until Ajayi was very sloppy. Good save though!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:19:44 PM
They are piling the pressure on.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:20:08 PM
What a save from SJ, absolute top class.  Awful mistake from Ajayi to give the ball away. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on November 21, 2020, 08:21:16 PM
Sounds like it's United vs Johnstone here. Reminds me of listening to us play Chelsea and Liverpool in the FA cup in the 90s. No realistic hope, just seeing how long the keeper can save us from conceding the first goal.

United aren't even a good top 6 side.....
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:22:07 PM
Also, absolutely terrible defending from Bartley for that chance, he's 4 yards off his man who can take a touch and shoot.

Good play from us and we nearly scored.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 08:22:39 PM
Townsend looking like Giggsy there
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2020, 08:23:04 PM
That wasn’t far away from Grant
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 08:25:28 PM

Pereira seems to be performing better
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2020, 08:25:30 PM
Getting into the game here
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:25:54 PM
Can we stop playing it into Ajayi when he's under the slightest bit of pressure please?  He can't play with his back to the pitch - there is no way this guy is a DM.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
Can we stop playing it into Ajayi when he's under the slightest bit of pressure please?  He can't play with his back to the pitch - there is no way this guy is a DM.

You're right...but he played DM in the Championship...bit tougher in this league
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:35:10 PM
SJ on form tonight. Best I have seen him for some time.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 08:37:03 PM

Is it the same SJ that played against Spurs?
Seems to be coming off his line more and some great saves!
Can’t believe it !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:37:08 PM
They've a corner. Keep 'em out lads.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:37:11 PM
Sawyers, bloody powder puff challenge
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:37:15 PM
Yeah, great stuff from SJ so far.  Townsend was disease and the cure then - left his man go but got back into position to intercept.

We're too sloppy on the ball at the moment.  Sawyers giving the ball away cheaply, as is Ajayi, Diangana has tried to go past his man a few times and just ran into them.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tuamigos on November 21, 2020, 08:37:57 PM
Wish this SJ would play every week.
Hope he doesn't chuck one in on 90 + 2 this week
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 08:40:25 PM
They are piling it on now
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:40:31 PM
We are stopping them, but not doing anything up the other end.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:42:07 PM
We are stopping them, but not doing anything up the other end.

We always seem to play a loose pass or a pass that's impossible for the player to do anything with it when we get some possession.

Would be nice if we tried picking a pass out rather than smashing it to the Man Utd back 4 sometimes though.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2020, 08:42:16 PM
Diangana is a shadow of the player we saw last season
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: MarkW on November 21, 2020, 08:42:29 PM
Heard there was some shirt pulling in the box? Possible pen not given?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:42:50 PM
WOOOO. We have a corner.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:43:16 PM
Heard there was some shirt pulling in the box? Possible pen not given?

The faintest of touches from Periera on someone's back.  Like a tiny pinch of the shirt.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:43:39 PM
Bartley just over the bar.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:44:08 PM
Bartley nearly scored from the corner, a back header that just went over.

Gallagher playing really well.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:45:11 PM
Our passing still wayward.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:47:00 PM
1 minute added.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:47:07 PM
Our passing still wayward.

Yep, we work really hard to keep things tight and win the ball back, then a sloppy pass means we concede possession back too quickly.  Doesn't give us time to get up the pitch.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 08:47:58 PM
HT 0-0
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on November 21, 2020, 08:51:24 PM
Johnstone with three good saves, Gallagher our best player on the pitch by a country mile.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:51:39 PM
Not a terrible half - 2 great saves from SJ have kept us in it though.  The second save was exceptional.

We're just too sloppy in possession so we can't get a comfortable foothold when we attack.  Ajayi has done well picking attackers up but he's been poor when he's had the ball at his feet, Sawyers not great either.

Gallagher has been excellent and seems to be the midfielder that pushes us forward.  Pierera has shown glimpses but there's not much point in him having the ball just inside our half - he needs it further forward.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: KN22 on November 21, 2020, 08:52:09 PM
Can’t be unhappy so far. I can’t anyway 8)
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 08:53:07 PM
Defending well but too rushed in possession, need a bit of confidence and composure.
Townsend been very good to be fair, Furlong not so much.
I'd go Robinson for Diangana and OShea for Furlong.
Still in it but we'll have to be very lucky to keep a clean sheet.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 08:53:21 PM
You watch....  HRK and Phillips will be coming on after 60mins !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
Happy enough with that. Townsend so much better this season.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: smethwickw on November 21, 2020, 08:54:59 PM
Solid enough but United look very poor. We have absolutely nothing up front. We needed a Deeney type to make it stick in games like this.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggie82 on November 21, 2020, 08:55:28 PM
Johnstone with three good saves, Gallagher our best player on the pitch by a country mile.

Johnstone has made one good save from Martial from close range. The two other saves he has made, header from a deep free kick and a back pass from a cheeky set piece trying to catch him out were routine stuff.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 08:56:43 PM
Defending well but too rushed in possession, need a bit of confidence and composure.
Townsend been very good to be fair, Furlong not so much.
I'd go Robinson for Diangana and OShea for Furlong.
Still in it but we'll have to be very lucky to keep a clean sheet.

I think Furlong has been 'ok', Townsend has been better going forward than Furlong but has been worse in defence.  The lofted ball to the back post that we nearly conceded from came from Townsend not picking his man up.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 08:57:30 PM
Another good performance. Everybody giving 100%. Gallagher gives us so much in midfield. Pereira back at his best. Townsend's best game so far. Man U still look more likely to score, but just hope heads don't drop if it happens. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: KN22 on November 21, 2020, 08:58:06 PM
Johnstone has made one good save from Martial from close range. The two other saves he has made, header from a deep free kick and a back pass from a cheeky set piece trying to catch him out were routine stuff.

Give him a break, he’s played well so far.... so far!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 08:58:23 PM

Strange that Diangana hasn’t done anything since he signed on the dotted line. Last season he was playing for a transfer and big pay packet - no such incentive this season.
Same could apply to Matheus Pereira.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 08:58:33 PM
I've enjoyed that first half. But I felt that way against Spurs.

I do think this team isn't the finished product, says a lot that Livermore isn't on the pitch.

As already stated, Gallagher is pure class out there, shame we've only got him for one season but I dearly hope that will be enough for us. Finally... SJ has been superb for us so far today.

Come on you Baggies....
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on November 21, 2020, 08:58:37 PM
3 halves of football since the potential of Bilic being sacked was made public. You can't say the players aren't playing for him.

Johnstone is however keeping us in the game from all accounts. That can't continue. We have to offer more going forward or we need those in the stripes to protect their goalkeeper more.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 08:59:02 PM
Well, it's 0-0. Feels like we're clinging on at times and then at other times we look like we might pop up and surprise...heart in mouth the whole half.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2020, 08:59:08 PM
Were doing well the game is there to be won.
Would be tempted to try Robinson in place of diangana in the next 15 minutes and see how we far.

If periera can get his final pass right you never know.
I would still take the point though
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 09:01:29 PM
Hope its not Spurs game all over again. If they score, can't see us coming back. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:01:48 PM
Strange that Diangana hasn’t done anything since he signed on the dotted line. Last season he was playing for a transfer and big pay packet - no such incentive this season.
Same could apply to Matheus Pereira.

Or it's just a lot tougher in the Premier League where we have far less of the ball in useful positions. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:02:03 PM
I dont think Furlong has been poor, he's marking Rashford....not an easy job. Townsend has done really well going forward. Pereira has done really well with no space at all...they are closing him down so quickly....Diangana has so much ability but looks unsure what to do with it sometimes...Gallagher excellent....got to cut out silly mistakes and we can take a point tonight.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:02:57 PM
I want us to have a shock 3 points tonight.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 09:04:03 PM
Strange that Diangana hasn’t done anything since he signed on the dotted line. Last season he was playing for a transfer and big pay packet - no such incentive this season.
Same could apply to Matheus Pereira.
Pereira one of the best players on the pitch. Needs to pick the right pass and hope someone gets on the end of it.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:04:08 PM
Solid enough but United look very poor. We have absolutely nothing up front. We needed a Deeney type to make it stick in games like this.

Not Grant's fault at all.  I can't really recall him doing poorly, he's just not being even given a sniff of the ball.  We can't say he's not holding it up when the ball is constantly being smashed over the top of his head.  If he starts being given the ball and not holding it up (or as I like to call it a 'Kanu'), then fair enough.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:05:07 PM
I want us to have a shock 3 points tonight.

Dont we all
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:05:09 PM
We're off again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:05:27 PM
Penalty !!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:05:40 PM
Penalty, could have been 2.  Grant was fouled on the way through but stayed on his feet.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:06:16 PM
Got to be surely
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:07:15 PM
No penalty
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:07:28 PM
Oh my god...****** ridiculous
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:07:37 PM
Un-effing-believable.

Have we had a VAR decision go our way yet?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:08:03 PM
It was also a foul on Grant on the way into the box.  Check that you cheating VAR scumbags.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:08:05 PM
Un-effing-believable.

Have we had a VAR decision go our way yet?

No
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:08:34 PM
Phew SJ saves again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:08:38 PM
I am as fair as they come and that is just wrong.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Aussie Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:08:50 PM
If that’s not a penalty nothing is.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on November 21, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
Even if he remotely clippped the ball, you cant just kick through a players shin. Disgraceful decision.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:09:33 PM
What do you expect for liuttle old Albion against a big team.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 09:09:49 PM
Corrupt ref, simple as. Horrible league, despicable and shameless bias.
No other reason to not give it. Legal cheating.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:10:01 PM
They keep showing it and I'm getting more angry...how change turn that to No.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
That is utterly ridiculous...

The game is gone, i have no interest in football in its current form.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on November 21, 2020, 09:10:23 PM
Stone wall penalty  :o
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 21, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
Connor Gallagher. Absolute cut above the rest of our side. Class act and absolute work horse.

Awaits dodgy VAR decision to settle the game
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: eddiethebeagle on November 21, 2020, 09:10:42 PM
Ref forgot he was refereeing us v Man Utd for a moment and gave the pen. Then had time to think about it and same as most of his decisions so far, went with Man Utd. Utter disgrace.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2020, 09:11:12 PM
Absolutely ridiculous not to give us a pen there

Stonewall
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggie79 on November 21, 2020, 09:11:58 PM
I am done with this season, it will kill me but thats it for me. Never wanted to be in the prem and nothing has changed my mind. Come on the champ I cant wait!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:12:11 PM
If that was at the other end it would be given bloody Useless I only listen to Football as nothing is on TV but at this rate I'd rather just sit and stare out of my Window even Talksport are saying it is a Penalty
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:12:29 PM
Penalty to them
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BlackCountryPride68 on November 21, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
That's me done. Sickening.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 09:12:58 PM
!legal cheating
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on November 21, 2020, 09:13:00 PM
If we stay up, VAR will probably overturn it to relegate us
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:13:07 PM
This game is just wrong...if this is given again its wrong
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:13:43 PM
SJ save !!!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 21, 2020, 09:14:05 PM
Bloody brilliant by SJ
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:14:19 PM
 Made to retake.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 09:14:28 PM
This league is corrupt as f***
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:14:43 PM
What The actual **** absolute Mickey take joke this is bias if I have ever saw it
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 21, 2020, 09:14:53 PM
Here we go, keep taking it until it's socred  :o
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
1-0
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:15:05 PM
This is just a sack of pooh
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 09:15:09 PM
Why bother even playing
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: SC_Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:15:19 PM
Seriously **** off
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:15:38 PM
Take the players off.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:15:49 PM
Joke
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on November 21, 2020, 09:16:08 PM
We all knew VAR would be like this, absolute sh ite ruining football
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 09:16:18 PM
So the law that Man U must score from pens at Old Trafford applies.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:17:09 PM
I like Fernandez he does well in my dad's Fantasy Team however here he got away for fouling Gallagher and then gets a Second bite of the Cherry at the Penalty Cheat.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Aussie Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:17:17 PM
I always try to see it from both sides but I can’t fathom any of those decisions.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:17:26 PM
We deserve so much more....its just unfair.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: VANDERLEI on November 21, 2020, 09:17:31 PM
Absolute joke. Football is officially garbage. Abolish FIFA
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kris_boing on November 21, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Totally done with football with these kind of decisions.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on November 21, 2020, 09:18:14 PM
I give up, that is so unbelievable, the only reason Johnstone was off his line when it was kicked it was Fernandes was doing a stupid little playground jump.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:18:24 PM
**** VAR
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:18:44 PM
We are up against 11 players and 4 officials.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: garry on November 21, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
If that had been the other way around, would we have had the retake?
No
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2020, 09:19:21 PM
We’re going there anyway but give me the championship back, this League is corrupt

So much bias it’s untrue
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2020, 09:19:26 PM
As I say, football is no longer football.

Genuinely cannot believe the penalty decision...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:20:01 PM
I give up, that is so unbelievable, the only reason he was off his line when it was kicked it was he was doing a stupid little playground jump.
Yeah I heard a debate on 5 Live because of what he does and one guy said Fernandez shouldn't be allowed to do it as ITT gains an Advantage
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
Right, its gone....come on boys....you've proved you can break them down
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on November 21, 2020, 09:20:41 PM
Corrupt is the word, that whole sequence was beyond shocking
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on November 21, 2020, 09:20:54 PM
It just stinks
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:21:25 PM
Kanu on
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: garry on November 21, 2020, 09:21:54 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw a retake in that situation
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wodenson46 on November 21, 2020, 09:22:03 PM
That is pure and simple bending of the rules.m Corruption of the highest order. We should just walk off in protest we ain't going to get anything any way. not with this festering lump of spaniel dropping in. charge. If we do stay on we ought to give the cheating turd a chance to put it right-n fall over every time they touch us
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:22:07 PM
Robinson on.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggie79 on November 21, 2020, 09:22:09 PM
We’re going there anyway but give me the championship back, this League is corrupt

So much bias it’s untrue

I couldnt agree more, I hope united and everyone else hammer us, I can smell the champ and boy does it smell good...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: KN22 on November 21, 2020, 09:22:15 PM
Disgusting.. doesn’t make me want us back in championship though, not for one moment.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
Kanu on for Diangana
CR on for Grant

I'd have done the CR sub, but also Krov for Sawyers rather than Kanu for Diangana.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on November 21, 2020, 09:23:17 PM
We have been looking comfortable but our tactics must now change and this is bound to open us up
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:23:25 PM
The game has gone. The ref has made sure of that.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:23:30 PM
The pen is unfair on the keeper because he stutters his run up, impossible to time the dive when that happens.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:23:59 PM
Robinson hits the bar.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:24:05 PM
CR hits the woodwork with a wonder strike.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wbadazza on November 21, 2020, 09:24:17 PM
Wow...just not our night
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: hardtobeat on November 21, 2020, 09:24:57 PM
We have a red that is considered  not competent enough or not unbiased enough to be Var official overturning pens and then letting the big boys re take when they miss , this just stinks ! I hope we have the same authority  as Liverpool to say ' NO ' if there's a next time he is to officiate in any capacity at our game !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ronnie_allen on November 21, 2020, 09:25:10 PM
United #17 encroached for their scored penalty so should have been another retake.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 21, 2020, 09:25:14 PM
Great link up from Kanu to Gallagher to CR and off the bar
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
That 5 minute passage involving both penalties was one of the most disgusting things I've seen for a while.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:25:35 PM
I couldnt agree more, I hope united and everyone else hammer us, I can smell the champ and boy does it smell good...
It smells like Fresh air and proper Referees Yoyo us As we will blitz Championship or let the bug boys go to dido this European Whatever with the refs in the pocket us as one of the oringinal Football League founders should get to say what happens next with the other founders
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:25:50 PM
SJ again saves.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:26:08 PM
Another great stop from SJ.  No idea what Ajayi is doing.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 21, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
Another great save from SJ, MOTM so far
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on November 21, 2020, 09:27:27 PM
Great save by Johnson again
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 09:27:35 PM
I couldnt agree more, I hope united and everyone else hammer us, I can smell the champ and boy does it smell good...

No it doesn't.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:27:47 PM
SJ having the game of his life the Point they are saying on the radio is before the Penalty Albion looked like scoring and United Were struggling this is Scripted Bias, Shocking Words cannot express what has happened in this game.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: CL3MO on November 21, 2020, 09:28:19 PM
Fair play to SJ - he's made two stunning stops in this game.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 09:28:19 PM
The fact that they don't even try to cover up the corruption tells you everything. As long as it goes the right way and keeps the Man U fans in Singapore happy no one cares. This is no longer an English league. Our fans mean nothing.
Glad I don't watch any other games than ours, lets go down, stay English and retain our dignity.
I wouldn't complain if we just resigned from this cesspit of a league.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Aussie Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
We are getting nothing from the ref in general play either. Every 50/50 decision goes their way.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on November 21, 2020, 09:29:38 PM
Sam Johnstone vs the 12 men of Man Utd
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:30:53 PM
The fact that they don't even try to cover up the corruption tells you everything. As long as it goes the right way and keeps the Man U fans in Singapore happy no one cares. This is no longer an English league. Our fans mean nothing.
Glad I don't watch any other games than ours, lets go down, stay English and retain our dignity.
I wouldn't complain if we just resigned from this cesspit of a league.
And people laugh when you say you support Albion, Wolves or Villa yet we founded the league if it weren't for us Wolves and Villa there would be no EPL today. My dad says he wouldn't mind If I supported Wolves or Villa but If I supported a Big Boy he would disown me now I see why
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:30:57 PM
It says a lot that VAR hasn't done us a single favour from what I can recall.  There's been nothing chalked off that went against us, we've had things disallowed, red cards given, we've had VAR give weird decisions against us, absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 09:32:20 PM
Yep. We haven't had a single thing from it. It's got it wrong against us on multiple occasions though.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:33:05 PM
Even that, we were being fouled constantly on our left wing bringing the ball back and appealing to the ref, nothing given.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 09:33:51 PM
And people laugh when you say you support Albion, Wolves or Villa yet we founded the league if it weren't for us Wolves and Villa there would be no EPL today. My dad says he wouldn't mind If I supported Wolves or Villa but If I supported a Big Boy he would disown me now I see why

I totally understand where your dad is coming from there.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on November 21, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
And people laugh when you say you support Albion, Wolves or Villa yet we founded the league if it weren't for us Wolves and Villa there would be no EPL today. My dad says he wouldn't mind If I supported Wolves or Villa but If I supported a Big Boy he would disown me now I see why
Stoke, Accrington, Derby, the Vile et Al means f all now, it's all about the top 6 of the day, football as the traditionalists know it is finished, I'd rather watch Newport in league 2 for a more realistic football experience
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:34:43 PM
Poor from Periera there - can't be giving the ball away in good positions there.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:37:08 PM
Now one of my Man Utd supporting friends messaged me to say we didn't deserve a Penalty and that they are battering us Typical Utd Fan I told him is that why your only 1-0 up and before your Penalty we were all over you. When the Dingles and Seals were moaning last year at VAR now I see where they are coming from.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:38:14 PM
Krov to come on.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 21, 2020, 09:38:22 PM
Feel sorry for Gallagher, he's been superb, again.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:38:53 PM
Ivan off for Krov.

Right thing, may as well go for it and will save Ivan's legs.  We look much better defensively with him in the side.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 09:39:51 PM
Been a real kick in the balls this game.

VAR, as it is, is bloody horrendous. Also, changing rules mid season is a joke. Subs from 3 to 5 soon i suspect too. All very ridiculous.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 09:40:07 PM
Bilic should go a step further than Everton and bang the ref out. No words, no arguing just put him on his arsenal.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:40:23 PM
Been a real kick in the balls this game.

VAR, as it is, is bloody horrendous. Also, changing rules mid season is a joke. Subs from 3 to 5 soon i suspect too. All very ridiculous.

Subs rule will favour the top sides who have stronger benches.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: KYA on November 21, 2020, 09:40:31 PM
I said when Sky came on the scene it would ruin football and it has stupid kick-off times everything geared in favour of the medias favourites.
Each season is worse than the last how I miss football like it used to be at least I had the pleasure of those days, football today you can stick it.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:41:12 PM
Bilic should go a step further than Everton and bang the ref out. No words, no arguing just put him on his arsenal.

Was watching a game before the international break, can't remember which one, and the manager was complaining to the ref in the same way walking off the pitch at half time.  Nothing.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:42:46 PM
Stoke, Accrington, Derby, the Vile et Al means f all now, it's all about the top 6 of the day, football as the traditionalists know it is finished, I'd rather watch Newport in league 2 for a more realistic football experience
I'd rather watch Walsall, Albion Ladies bit of a Journey from me but I got a bus pass, Darlaston Town 1874 FC or a local youth team match to watch some kids playing it for fun
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:45:34 PM
no foul on Kanu there, of course.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:45:53 PM
Kanu fouled. The ref gives NOTHING. Oh what a surprise.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 09:46:39 PM
How is that not a foul on HRK?!!? Why aren't they looking at it on TV.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:46:50 PM
I give up VAR aside we played well we desevere more if we get an Equaliser I hope we rub it in there faces
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:46:55 PM
Same again, defender went through the back of him and we get nothing. 

We give a Man Utd player a dirty look - peep!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:48:09 PM
I give up VAR aside we played well we desevere more if we get an Equaliser I hope we rub it in there faces

VAR would disallow it because the ball has dirt on it or something.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 09:48:26 PM
I said when Sky came on the scene it would ruin football and it has stupid kick-off times everything geared in favour of the medias favourites.
Each season is worse than the last how I miss football like it used to be at least I had the pleasure of those days, football today you can stick it.

Well said, sir.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 09:48:43 PM
I really don’t know what to say.....
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:49:29 PM
Nice to get one or two now.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:49:35 PM
VAR would disallow it because the ball has dirt on it or something.
Or HRK was offside by a Toenail hope HRK actually thumps one in from outside the box you can't rule that out then or at least you shouldn't
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:49:45 PM
Four added minutes
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
FREE KICK!! 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 09:50:54 PM
Weirdly I'm now more in love with my Club than ever.

We keep playing that bit better and we fought this in spite of total injustice.

This ref wants a good kicking.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:50:58 PM
Should have had the advantage and played on. Ref pulls us back.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on November 21, 2020, 09:52:09 PM
Should have had the advantage and played on. Ref pulls us back.

The one time he gives us a foul and it's a disadvantage to us
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:52:48 PM
Weirdly I'm now more in love with my Club than ever.

We keep playing that bit better and we fought this in spite of total injustice.

This ref wants a good kicking.
Same Thank you dad for supporting this club I can now see the meaning of an Underdog and a Fighter COYB let's show these Cheats that this little club from the Black Country will not bow down to the big boys
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 09:52:57 PM
The ref needs a kick, the ref needs a kick
Eey Eye Adio the ref needs Kick !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:53:07 PM
Just launch it into their box ffs.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:53:54 PM
FT 1-0    Thanks to a bent ref.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:54:02 PM
Just launch it into their box ffs.
Pulisball would be apporate just to show these cheats
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: seteefeet on November 21, 2020, 09:54:31 PM
Scum
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ashn on November 21, 2020, 09:55:43 PM
The one time he gives us a foul and it's a disadvantage to us

He seemed to wait for us to break then blew up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 09:57:01 PM
How any Man it'd fan can honestly say they desevered to win that will baffle me turned the radio off as it was on Talksport and Cab to listen to them talk about it
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: KN22 on November 21, 2020, 09:57:10 PM
Weirdly I'm now more in love with my Club than ever.

We keep playing that bit better and we fought this in spite of total injustice.

This ref wants a good kicking.

Superb post, agree with you.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Baggies on November 21, 2020, 09:57:18 PM
Well, VAR did it's job in ensuring the big names get their god given advantage.

The last 2 games have been big improvements on the rest of the season though.

Key is that we carry that through to games vs sides we could realistically beat.

No win in 9 games. Needs a huge change in form now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 09:57:46 PM
Completely undone by the ref and VAR though.  Absolute disgrace, instead of going 1-0 up we go 1-0 down.

Players put a good shift in, they're clearly playing for Slav.  Just depressing that you can defend your heart out and just get done over by VAR.  It's a pen every day of the week - I can't see how the defender got anything on the ball at all.  If that was in the middle of the pitch it would be a free kick every single time.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: smethwickw on November 21, 2020, 09:58:12 PM
I hate the Prem, its corrupt officials and big team bias.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on November 21, 2020, 09:58:38 PM
We were robbed.  Clear penalty given then taken away.  We played well.  Gallagher and Johnstone had great games.  If we keep playing like this we will stay up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BlackCountryPride68 on November 21, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
If that tosspot ref ever sets foot in our half of the Black Country he needs to be given the Hugh le Despenser treatment.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mini gaardsoe on November 21, 2020, 09:59:14 PM
Ignoring the penalty decision, we don’t look good going forward, very poor out wide. 6 points off Brighton in 16th already.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on November 21, 2020, 09:59:51 PM
We was robbed by a thieving bugger in black end of
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on November 21, 2020, 10:00:29 PM
VAR didn’t even double check their pen. Furlong had turned his back how is that a pen
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aztech on November 21, 2020, 10:00:33 PM
Johnstone and Gallagher both played very well.

Give me Livermore over Sawyers every time. The guy offers nothing.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Evo_Baggies on November 21, 2020, 10:00:40 PM
Gutted after that. Its a shame because it seemed  like our players gave a lot and to lose like that is gutting. Thanks Bilic...for a lot
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:00:46 PM
Also, no idea what we were doing at the end - just get it in the box ffs, Utd had dropped everyone back so we'd be picking up the second ball.  Don't just pass it around 40 yards out.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on November 21, 2020, 10:00:49 PM
Headlines:

-We played well and looked the better team going in the second half.
-Robbed by ref and var.
-Much better without Livermore.
-Robinson no luck whatsoever, great shot off the bar.
-Johnstone number of very good saves; only negative this evening he isn’t capable of staying on his line to save penalties, even the penalty they scored from he jumped forward off his line so that would have been retaken for a third time had it not gone in.

110% unlucky, couldn’t expect any more from management or the team.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on November 21, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
So much for sacking Bilic. Last two games we have been desperately unlucky. I know we have won no points so don’t need anyone to point that out, but small margins now. Keep the faith, this will turn around.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 10:01:10 PM
Got to take the performance levels from the last two games into the next three. Those games will define if we have a fighting chance or not.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on November 21, 2020, 10:01:31 PM
Putting the officials to one side again a improved performance from us . Got to keep to that level against teams around us , convinced wins will come if we do .
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 10:01:55 PM
Oh and Johnstone outstanding.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:02:05 PM
VAR didn’t even double check their pen. Furlong had turned his back how is that a pen

Commentators reckoned you've got to try and block the ball with your hands behind your back now.  Trouble is, Furlong was jumping, you can't get any height if you jump with your arms tucked in behind you.  He's then turned his back and it's hit his hand from 12 yards. 
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on November 21, 2020, 10:02:22 PM
That’s actually the worst decision using VAR that I have seen so far, and there have been some appalling decisions. 99/100 football fans would say that’s a pen, I have absolutely no idea what is going on anymore.

Similar incident in the Villa game earlier which was also a penalty. Where the hell are they getting these referees from, they are utter morons.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aztech on November 21, 2020, 10:02:41 PM
Headlines:

-We played well and looked the better team going in the second half.
-Robbed by ref and var.
-Much better without Livermore.
-Robinson no luck whatsoever, great shot off the bar.
-Johnstone number of very good saves; only negative this evening he isn’t capable of staying on his line to save penalties, even the penalty they scored from he jumped forward off his line so that would have been retaken for a third time had it not gone in.

110% unlucky, couldn’t expect any more from management or the team.

To be honest I thought Sawyers was awful, the guy is very lazy, doesn’t break sweat and can’t tackle.

Livermore is very limited but he offers more than Sawyers.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aussie Baggie on November 21, 2020, 10:02:48 PM
Very happy with lads performance. Can’t do much against a team of 15.

As I said in one of my posts, I always try to see things from both sides but how any neutral fan could watch that and say we weren’t hard done by has rocks in their head.

Toward the end of the game the commentators on Optus were saying David Coote had a good game, got every thing pretty much spot on - what a load of garbage!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on November 21, 2020, 10:04:41 PM
To be honest I thought Sawyers was awful, the guy is very lazy, doesn’t break sweat and can’t tackle.

Livermore is very limited but he offers more than Sawyers.

Have to agree. He’s a classy player on the ball but he refuses to leave the beach. No where near the intensity required to play in the premier league. Gallagher is ten times the player he is. Krov should be ahead of him for me.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: hardtobeat on November 21, 2020, 10:04:48 PM
I know they aren’t supposed to but I sincerely hope Slav comes out tonight and says what he’s thinking and spares no blushes ! Stitched up by a ref the FA removed from VAR duties presumably because of bias or incompetence but allowed to referee a game in the flesh , total shambles ! Hope we can tell the FA to f;-k off next game he’s due to officiate of ours in any capacity
Difficult to say much about the performance as the red mist has descended . Seemed we had a game plan to stifle and stay in the game early . IMO we were having the better of the 2 nd half until other powers got involved after that who knows and to an extent who cares ., words I never thought I’d utter having been watching football for well over 50:years !!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: albion59 on November 21, 2020, 10:05:31 PM
Headlines:

-We played well and looked the better team going in the second half.
-Robbed by ref and var.
-Much better without Livermore.
-Robinson no luck whatsoever, great shot off the bar.
-Johnstone number of very good saves; only negative this evening he isn’t capable of staying on his line to save penalties, even the penalty they scored from he jumped forward off his line so that would have been retaken for a third time had it not gone in.

110% unlucky, couldn’t expect any more from management or the team.
Mate i don't rate Johnstone never have never will but to criticise him tonight for not staying on his line? Dear me.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: AlbionFan on November 21, 2020, 10:05:48 PM
🎶 We love you Albion we do, oh Albion we love you 🎶 COYB!!!!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 10:06:15 PM
Headlines:

-We played well and looked the better team going in the second half.
-Robbed by ref and var.
-Much better without Livermore.
-Robinson no luck whatsoever, great shot off the bar.
-Johnstone number of very good saves; only negative this evening he isn’t capable of staying on his line to save penalties, even the penalty they scored from he jumped forward off his line so that would have been retaken for a third time had it not gone in.

110% unlucky, couldn’t expect any more from management or the team.
Johnstone was off cause of Fernandez doing his Run Jump Kick thing which hasn't only caught out Johnston on 5 Live a few weeks back there were debating Fernandez doing his Run thing and saying Goalkeepers can't help it as they expect him to kick it not do all the Jumping and stuff hence he should be penalised for it as it creates an unfair advantage
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 10:06:26 PM
So much for sacking Bilic. Last two games we have been desperately unlucky. I know we have won no points so don’t need anyone to point that out, but small margins now. Keep the faith, this will turn around.

Every word, mate, every word.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ronnie_allen on November 21, 2020, 10:06:38 PM
Very happy with lads performance. Can’t do much against a team of 15.

As I said in one of my posts, I always try to see things from both sides but how any neutral fan could watch that and say we weren’t hard done by has rocks in their head.

Toward the end of the game the commentators on Optus were saying David Coote had a good game, got every thing pretty much spot on - what a load of garbage!

Only 4 minutes added time with all the Var stoppages and retake.
Rightly let United play advantage and came back to book Gallagher. Same thing other way with massive advantage for us  and blows up to be seen to book a United player.

Need a big all round performance against a non-big team next week now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aztech on November 21, 2020, 10:06:46 PM
Have to agree. He’s a classy player on the ball but he refuses to leave the beach. No near the intesinty required to play in the premier league. Gallagher is ten times the player he is. Krov should be ahead of him for me.

I would also start Krov, however if he’s unavailable Livermore has to start before Sawyers.

I’d also start Field before Sawyers
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2020, 10:07:13 PM
I think we have turned a corner albeit performances only. As the last 2 games we have been far better. We look like we have settled on a system and look more confident in it. They ran their balls of today and deserved something from the game.

Officials cost us. Our pen was stone wall soon as it went to VAR you knew what was coming? What irritated me was in the build up to the pen maguirre was fouling grant surely if not pen you take it back to that?

Their pen soft in the handball area of law which is daft. Then a retake. Johnstone needs to work on staying on the line for penaltys... his best game for wba today sadly it counts for nothing.

Big pressure on Sheffield united game.
I hope the board don't get trigger happy. I think if we can stay in touch until January and get some more off the books that billic doesn't fancy; Austin grosicki we must surely have some chance of bringing in what we need to help us stay up.

Well done wba hold your heads high not your fault the league is bent
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wodenson46 on November 21, 2020, 10:07:30 PM
WBA 1 (pen) Man Utd 0 - 3 pts to WBA except for a bent ref: Not mistaken BENT in nearly every decision. He gives free kicks to them every time there is a similar tackle to the one he said wasn't a penalty to us. All that game needs to be analysed by an independent non British body, the result overturned, and 3 retrospective points awarded to us. I know that's impossible, but hey this is the Skye premier league the fantasy world where only the big 6 c(o)unts, and woe betide the official that bucks it.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: JMullen95 on November 21, 2020, 10:07:52 PM
Peter Bankes (stupid moron in Stockley Park) is a cheating rat.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 10:08:00 PM
Headlines:

-We played well and looked the better team going in the second half.
-Robbed by ref and var.
-Much better without Livermore.
-Robinson no luck whatsoever, great shot off the bar.
-Johnstone number of very good saves; only negative this evening he isn’t capable of staying on his line to save penalties, even the penalty they scored from he jumped forward off his line so that would have been retaken for a third time had it not gone in.

110% unlucky, couldn’t expect any more from management or the team.

Another great post. I really hope that SB and the squad don't lose faith. They gave it everything.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on November 21, 2020, 10:09:35 PM
Gallagher Johnstone our best player's Pereira and Diangana shadow of their former selfs. Sawyers poor as per and HRK what's the point.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 10:10:10 PM
WBA 1 (pen) Man Utd 0 - 3 pts to WBA except for a bent ref: Not mistaken BENT in nearly every decision. He gives free kicks to them every time there is a similar tackle to the one he said wasn't a penalty to us. All that game needs to be analysed by an independent non British body, the result overturned, and 3 retrospective points awarded to us. I know that's impossible, but hey this is the Skye premier league the fantasy world where only the big 6 c(o)unts, and woe betide the official that bucks it.
He might as well have bent down and bowed down to United or taken the money they paid him and ran before an angry bunch of Albion Fans give him a Kicking
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:10:22 PM
It's shown our pen decision loads of times now, can't even see how the Utd player touched the ball.  At least in the Villa game you can clearly see the ball come off the Brighton defender - this one I can't see any contact.  The spin on the ball doesn't change at all.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dudleylad on November 21, 2020, 10:10:54 PM
It looked even more of a penalty in slow motion.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Baggie Artist on November 21, 2020, 10:11:22 PM
Thought Sawyers played well, the stats show he got four tackles in, three interceptions and had the most touches of any of our midfield.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
Livermore and Gibbs unlikely to be available next week due to Covid isolation
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: buzzingbaggie on November 21, 2020, 10:12:00 PM
How can a system which has been brought in to make better decisions not only get it wrong, but over turn a right one.

It's things like this which make you fell like what's the point.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:13:21 PM
Thought Sawyers played well, the stats show he got four tackles in, three interceptions and had the most touches of any of our midfield.

He will have a lot of touches because he picks it up off the defence and plays it simple.  4 tackles doesn't seem a lot for the deep sitting midfield against a team with a lot of the ball.

They're discussing the foul in the build up to Gallagher's pen - worse looking at it again.  Clear foul and a red.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2020, 10:13:21 PM
Also worth saying that sawyers had his best game for us for a while. Gallagher looks a decent signing for us. We looked better without Livermore in midfield.

Diangana and periera low on confidence, the former really struggling at this level periera just needs some runners around him and to get the final pass right and he be ok.

Also thought back 3 looked solid. Shout out to Townsend who I thought did well
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 10:13:53 PM
VAR 1 - 0  West Brom
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aztech on November 21, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
Thought Sawyers played well, the stats show he got four tackles in, three interceptions and had the most touches of any of our midfield.

Then I suggest you rewatch the game and concentrate only on Sawyers.

He has no desire whatsoever, he simply stops when he loses possession.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:16:55 PM
The clear foul on Gallagher in the build up to their goal.  Absolutely blatant and VAR didn't look at it at all.  TV ref said they should have gone back to it and it's a clear foul.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ronnie_allen on November 21, 2020, 10:17:02 PM
Even Man United boys in BT stating the vast amount of VAR decisions that went against us.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 10:17:36 PM
Joke game, really hard to take that tonight. Bilic needs to go in. And he certainly needs to be given the next 3 games. Sheff U and Palace at home followed by Newcastle away. If we haven't added a couple of wins or 5 points by the end of those we have to reconsider...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on November 21, 2020, 10:18:26 PM
Rio, Scholes, and Peter Walton ripping the game and decisions to pieces...no doubt about it we should have won ( if we had scored our pen )..Connor was fouled by Fred right before their pen..Coote had a birds eye view and ignored the foul and VAR didnt check either.. just shocking..
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on November 21, 2020, 10:19:51 PM
Well played the lads no fault of theirs today dodgy officials lost us that game from what you lads were saying, other than that did you enjoy it?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on November 21, 2020, 10:20:05 PM
club with most fans in world gets all the decisions versus club with 30k fans, shock, horror
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:21:02 PM
Just seems so pointless (like our team hoho), what's the point in VAR if it's not applied evenly?  How the hell do you miss the foul on Gallagher?  Or consider ours not a pen?  Or the foul on Robinson as he was clean through?  They were the only major decisions and the ref\var got every single one wrong.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:21:49 PM
"Since the start of last season, Manchester United have taken (18) and scored (13) more Premier League penalties than any other side. Some 16% of their goals have been from penalties in that time (13/79), the highest ratio of any side to have played in both seasons."
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on November 21, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
Mate i don't rate Johnstone never have never will but to criticise him tonight for not staying on his line? Dear me.

I’m making the obvious point that the ONLY way to save a penalty is to keep a foot on the line when it is taken and yet Johnstone on both occasions jumps forwards a yard, illegally which is a bit brain dead, particularly the second time. That doesn’t mean he didn’t make a number of great saves which he can be praised for.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SirTonyM on November 21, 2020, 10:22:30 PM
Watching Dazn in Canada, they bought on Dermot Gallagher. In the the build up to the handball and the foul on Gallacher he says that looks like a foul. Tim Sherwood of all people said "well its a foul in the same phase, so it should be no penalty". Gallagher says "I'm not sure its the same phase". Sherwood says "its 6 seconds!". Gallagher mumbles something...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on November 21, 2020, 10:22:38 PM
Well played the lads no fault of theirs today dodgy officials lost us that game from what you lads were saying, other than that did you enjoy it?
impossible to enjoy it, it was a football match, where there was no match, should be renamed a football bias
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:23:19 PM
I’m making the obvious point that the ONLY way to save a penalty is to keep a foot on the line when it is taken and yet Johnstone on both occasions jumps forwards a yard, illegally which is a bit brain dead, particularly the second time. That doesn’t mean he didn’t make a number of great saves which he can be praised for.

It's tough because you CAN step out when the ball is hit but the stuttering run up makes it really difficult to judge when he hits it.  If you wait until the ball is struck, then move your feet, you'll struggle to get any distance on a dive.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2020, 10:25:07 PM
Photo going round of referee David Coote with his Manchester United display picture...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 10:25:23 PM
Gutted again for the lads.

Worst thing about that VAR deicison is the ref gets it right first time,gives the penalty correctly. Then it gets passed to VAR who don't want to go against any big teams, they slide it back to the ref who is now full of self-doubt about his decision and aware that if he gives it rightly or wrong he will be scrutinised intensely for the next week and then takes the easy way out by not giving it after watching Conor get kicked in the shin a 2nd time.

Absurd.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2020, 10:26:03 PM
VAR should be to even the game out, and make it fair and rule out poor decisions. It's doing everything but those things.

How is VAR going in other countries?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: zac on November 21, 2020, 10:26:55 PM
I can't remember the last time i was this angry at the end of a game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on November 21, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
I’m making the obvious point that the ONLY way to save a penalty is to keep a foot on the line when it is taken and yet Johnstone on both occasions jumps forwards a yard, illegally which is a bit brain dead, particularly the second time. That doesn’t mean he didn’t make a number of great saves which he can be praised for.
I can't remember the last time I saw a goalie stay on his line I was gobsmacked when I heard it had to be retaken.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on November 21, 2020, 10:30:12 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw a goalie stay on his line I was gobsmacked when I heard it had to be retaken.

You’ve not been paying attention this season then. All saved penalties are checked automatically by VAR and retaken if the keeper has moved forwards off the line. So either keepers now stand a yard back behind the line and dive forwards or just dive sideways. You can’t do what Johnstone did twice and jump from the line. Shame as it was a decent save to stop the first one.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 10:31:54 PM
Ive got no problem with their penalty standing, sadly it was right to re-take it but to rule ours out due to cowardice is shocking.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on November 21, 2020, 10:32:01 PM
You’ve not been paying attention this season then. All saved penalties are checked automatically by VAR and retaken if the keeper has moved forwards off the line. So either keepers now stand a yard back behind the line and dive forwards or just dive sideways. You can’t do what Johnstone did twice and jump from the line. Shame as it was a decent save to stop the first one.
Fair enough I haven't seen any football this season barring a few clips on Utube, you can tell the game has got me hooked!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiebof on November 21, 2020, 10:32:51 PM
Without wanting to be all doom and gloom, I was disappointed in us. Yes, we were on the wrong end of a very poor refereeing decision but we only created one good chance, which De Gea saved well from Townsend. We were ok at the back, Johnstone made some good saves but this isn't a good United team when the onus is on them to have the ball and create. We didn't show enough for me to think we will beat Sheffield United although I would love to be wrong.

Regards individuals, I think Townsend and Ajayi are improving and I was impressed with Gallagher. Johnstone played well but against a team that rarely crossed the ball, that isn't surprising as that's where his big weakness is, he is decent otherwise.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on November 21, 2020, 10:34:55 PM
Without wanting to be all doom and gloom, I was disappointed in us. Yes, we were on the wrong end of a very poor refereeing decision but we only created one good chance, which De Gea saved well from Townsend. We were ok at the back, Johnstone made some good saves but this isn't a good United team when the onus is on them to have the ball and create. We didn't show enough for me to think we will beat Sheffield United although I would love to be wrong.

Regards individuals, I think Townsend and Ajayi are improving and I was impressed with Gallagher. Johnstone played well but against a team that rarely crossed the ball, that isn't surprising as that's where his big weakness is, he is decent otherwise.
and rattled one off the bar !
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on November 21, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
Ive got no problem with their penalty standing, sadly it was right to re-take it but to rule ours out due to cowardice is shocking.

Thing is Gazberg that Gallagher was blatantly fouled to win the ball back for them right before the Furlong handball. So that should have been ruled out as well.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 10:39:08 PM
Thing is Gazberg that Gallagher was blatantly fouled to win the ball back for them right before the Furlong handball. So that should have been ruled out as well.

I was so angry from our robbery i didnt even notice this. Makes it even harder to take mate.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:39:26 PM
Thing is Gazberg that Gallagher was blatantly fouled to win the ball back for them right before the Furlong handball. So that should have been ruled out as well.

Yup, here it is...

https://twitter.com/DarrenLewitt/status/1330274087189483521?s=20

And VAR is supposed to check for offences in the attacking build up.  It's why we were done against Chelsea because we touched the ball after the foul.  Joke.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 10:39:29 PM
This ref. has to be one of the worst. As Billic said, all the decisons went Man U's way second half. (Don't know how he managed to sound so calm afterwards) Peter Walton ex ref. said VAR is only if there is doubt in ref's mind. He should have stuck with his first decsion, but he gave in to pressure from Man U players, and was then pressurised to change his mind. Also said there was foul not given in build-up to Man U's penalty. 
Man U's impressive record of winning and scoring penalties at Old Trafford continues.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 10:41:26 PM
Yup, here it is...

https://twitter.com/DarrenLewitt/status/1330274087189483521?s=20

And VAR is supposed to check for offences in the attacking build up.  It's why we were done against Chelsea because we touched the ball after the foul.  Joke.

Flipping hell thats made me feel even worse somehow!  What the hell is VAR for?!?!?!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on November 21, 2020, 10:43:41 PM
Yes the foul on Galagher before their penalty is the clearest thing of all. If you've got Rio Ferdinand, Scholes, Peter Walton ...and especially Tim Sherwood agreeing it was a foul then there's no argument.

On an aside.....given the Covid cases in our camp, Slaven didn't sound too healthy after the game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on November 21, 2020, 10:45:26 PM
I'm just shocked that so many are shocked !
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 10:46:23 PM
club with most fans in world gets all the decisions versus club with 30k fans, shock, horror
Sure have more than 30K fans probably more like 100K
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 21, 2020, 10:48:10 PM
Yes the foul on Galagher before their penalty is the clearest thing of all. If you've got Rio Ferdinand, Scholes, Peter Walton ...and especially Tim Sherwood agreeing it was a foul then there's no argument.

On an aside.....given the Covid cases in our camp, Slaven didn't sound too healthy after the game.

Think it was his voice going from all the screaming he was doing during the game tbh.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on November 21, 2020, 10:49:33 PM
You can only imagine what it would be like with 75,000 United fans in the refs ear at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiebof on November 21, 2020, 10:50:41 PM
and rattled one off the bar !

Yes but I wouldn't call that a good chance as such!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on November 21, 2020, 10:53:14 PM
Think it was his voice going from all the screaming he was doing during the game tbh.
That's just the norm though surely ?  ::)
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheBaggieMan on November 21, 2020, 10:54:50 PM
Yes but I wouldn't call that a good chance as such!

If Robinson’s shot had gone in it would have been ruled out by VAR because the crossbar was too high.
Title: Re: match officials
Post by: wodenson46 on November 21, 2020, 10:55:49 PM
wasn't he just ****** wonderful !!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on November 21, 2020, 11:01:33 PM
As an ex keeper to try and stay on your line for a pen. Nigh on impossible. So to criticise Johnstone for that is totally unfair plus that rule should be removed
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on November 21, 2020, 11:11:29 PM
As an ex keeper to try and stay on your line for a pen. Nigh on impossible. So to criticise Johnstone for that is totally unfair plus that rule should be removed

Sorry that makes no sense whatsoever. The rule is clear, you have to have a part of your body on the line when a penalty is taken or if missed it gets retaken. Johnstone like all other keepers have to adapt to that rule, not to pretend it doesn’t exist. Penalties have been saved this season by several keepers who have kept their foot on or behind the line. He’s known about the rule all summer and autumn and had plenty of time to decide if he is going to dive sideways on the line or push forwards from a starting position behind the line. What was negligent was that twice in a row he dive illegally forwards from his line. He has to know better than that, else he isn’t saving a penalty ever again.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on November 21, 2020, 11:22:07 PM
Always wondered why I don't watch match of the day, analyse after game a joke.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on November 21, 2020, 11:24:43 PM
Always wondered why I don't watch match of the day, analyse after game a joke.
Yep, no mention of the foul on Gallagher before their pen.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adamstv on November 21, 2020, 11:25:53 PM
Always wondered why I don't watch match of the day, analyse after game a joke.

Totally agree - totally inept.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: DownInAlbion on November 21, 2020, 11:28:06 PM
Always wondered why I don't watch match of the day, analyse after game a joke.

I thought the discussion on the man United title challenge was enlightening and we'll informed....
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 11:29:51 PM
Sure have more than 30K fans probably more like 100K

I demand a recount.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: albion59 on November 21, 2020, 11:33:29 PM
I've watched the game again i've watched the slow motion and the different angles and i have got to say that ours was not a penalty the only contact on Gallagher is when he is already on the floor. The penalty against us was not a penalty either but the decision to retake the penalty was correct.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 21, 2020, 11:34:03 PM
Always wondered why I don't watch match of the day, analyse after game a joke.

The words West Brom would have choked in their precious overpaid mouths.

The MONEY sucks. Total travesty.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2020, 11:40:13 PM
I've watched the game again i've watched the slow motion and the different angles and i have got to say that ours was not a penalty the only contact on Gallagher is when he is already on the floor. The penalty against us was not a penalty either but the decision to retake the penalty was correct.

Not sure that’s right mate. It was shin to shin before he fell.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 21, 2020, 11:41:14 PM
I've watched the game again i've watched the slow motion and the different angles and i have got to say that ours was not a penalty the only contact on Gallagher is when he is already on the floor. The penalty against us was not a penalty either but the decision to retake the penalty was correct.
How does he end up on the floor Maguire Foul him or did he dive
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ronnie_allen on November 21, 2020, 11:42:25 PM
Ive got no problem with their penalty standing, sadly it was right to re-take it but to rule ours out due to cowardice is shocking.

But why wasn't their second penalty retaken. Fred encroaching before ball is struck which is a retake if penalty is scored directly.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: albion59 on November 21, 2020, 11:46:47 PM
Not sure that’s right mate. It was shin to shin before he fell.
Before posting what i have on here! Because i know what is coming! i have watched and watched and i can't see any contact only their player kicking the ball into Gallagher shin and then the contact from the boot is when he is on the floor. It pains me to write this (and over the years i wouldn't have) because i hate yanited and var with equal passion.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on November 21, 2020, 11:47:41 PM
But why wasn't their second penalty retaken. Fred encroaching before ball is struck which is a retake if penalty is scored directly.

Well we know why, they want Man U to win
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Westie on November 21, 2020, 11:53:52 PM
Clear penalty for us, well, it should have been. VAR being operated by a cretin, another cretin in black on the pitch.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 22, 2020, 12:18:05 AM
Before posting what i have on here! Because i know what is coming! i have watched and watched and i can't see any contact only their player kicking the ball into Gallagher shin and then the contact from the boot is when he is on the floor. It pains me to write this (and over the years i wouldn't have) because i hate yanited and var with equal passion.

Mate, you are so wrong.  If there's any contact of the ball it's the faintest of touches with his studs. I don't think was any contact at all, the ball's spin doesn't change one bit.  He then smacks into Gallagher's shin. 

Blimey, ignore Albion fans for a second, Man Utd fans are saying it was a blatant pen!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on November 22, 2020, 12:31:06 AM
On a positive note, I thought it was good we tried to play football and not park the bus. Although we dropped back to 5 at the back when under pressure, we came out and particularly Townsend got forward well. Gallagher put in a real box to box effort in midfield and Pereira was lively and found some good through passes. Surely our luck must change soon. Just on the law of averages!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Singhwba on November 22, 2020, 12:53:56 AM
Still fuming about the refs decisions.
The boys played well, didnt deserve to lose that at all.
If johnstone has to stay on his line, surely they need to amend the rule for the pen takers to hop skip and jump. Thats just making it an advantage for them which the goalkeepers do by coming out. Why are the goalkeepers being picked on then the players taking the pen.
Refs, var, the prem. Hate it and their bias towards bigger teams.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on November 22, 2020, 12:54:24 AM
On a positive note, I thought it was good we tried to play football and not park the bus. Although we dropped back to 5 at the back when under pressure, we came out and particularly Townsend got forward well. Gallagher put in a real box to box effort in midfield and Pereira was lively and found some good through passes. Surely our luck must change soon. Just on the law of averages!

Paul Scholes on BT sport praised our left back, shows how much progress he has made. Gibbs is not getting a look in anytime soon.

Let's hope all the massive slices of luck we are due fall into place against Sheff Utd next week.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on November 22, 2020, 12:58:21 AM
Still fuming about the refs decisions.
The boys played well, didnt deserve to lose that at all.
If johnstone has to stay on his line, surely they need to amend the rule for the pen takers to hop skip and jump. Thats just making it an advantage for them which the goalkeepers do by coming out. Why are the goalkeepers being picked on then the players taking the pen.
Refs, var, the prem. Hate it and their bias towards bigger teams.

The rule, not to move off the line wasn't introduced this weekend, it has been common knowledge all season. There is nothing to stop Johnstone diving sideways across his goal line rather than jumping forwards. If however he insists on jumping forwards he should be standing behind his goal line. Penalties have been saved this season, including from Fernandes who missed one at Newcastle with his skip and jump. It didn't stop Darlow staying on the line. You might think the rule is unfair but it's a goalkeeping mistake to twice not be able to attempt a save whilst keeping a foot on the goal line.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Singhwba on November 22, 2020, 01:05:18 AM
The rule, not to move off the line wasn't introduced this weekend, it has been common knowledge all season. There is nothing to stop Johnstone diving sideways across his goal line rather than jumping forwards. If however he insists on jumping forwards he should be standing behind his goal line. Penalties have been saved this season, including from Fernandes who missed one at Newcastle with his skip and jump. It didn't stop Darlow staying on the line. You might think the rule is unfair but it's a goalkeeping mistake to twice not be able to attempt a save whilst keeping a foot on the goal line.

I understand the rule clearly, all im asking is why is it down to just the keeper. Yes keep 1 foot on the line, but the rules should state that the attacker cant hop skip jump or whatever to give himself an advantage over the keeper.

On the other hand, After a positive performance, id rather talk about the ref, how well we played, rather then johnstone and the penalty
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SmethDan on November 22, 2020, 01:10:17 AM
Technically speaking the goalkeeper cannot stand behind the goal line by choice as he would be leaving the technical area of play without permission. He would then need the permission of the referee to re enter play. We see the same time and again when players leave the technical area of play when injured. An act of momentum in open play is different.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tuamigos on November 22, 2020, 06:47:37 AM
After sleeping on it I still feel cheated.
The boys played well and deserved something from that game.
In the build up to their penalty their was a blatant foul on Gallagher that the ref decided to let go.
How ours wasn't a penalty, even after review, I'll never know.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggies_24 on November 22, 2020, 07:49:37 AM
After sleeping on it I still feel cheated.
The boys played well and deserved something from that game.
In the build up to their penalty their was a blatant foul on Gallagher that the ref decided to let go.
How ours wasn't a penalty, even after review, I'll never know.

This & on the 2nd retake Fred encroached the area so it should have been retaken again. Absolute screw job by the muppets that referee this league, no excuses when they have the benefit of video assistance they should be getting every decision spot on.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on November 22, 2020, 08:32:18 AM
Absolutely disgusting antics yesterday.

Football is set up to favour and assist five or six clubs and the powers that be dont give a fudge about the other clubs. There is a huge bias towards these clubs, there has been for a long time. It goes on right in front of everyone's nose and no one with any influence really cares.

No point me analysing events from the game everyone knows what happened.

I know we all want what is best for the club but personally I cant wait to see us playing proper football again back in the Championship. The Premier League is disgusting. Referees might be poor in the Championship but at least there is a fairness and honesty about them and the league as a whole.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
Refrained from posting last night.

I’m still equally as angry.

There is not much I can say that has not been said.   VAR got every decision wrong.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on November 22, 2020, 09:16:21 AM
VAR is like a counting machine at an election it's not the figures that count but how those figures are interpreted, the evidence may be black but if the powers that be say it's white there is nothing you can do about it.
VAR is a tool to make sure they get the result they wanted it's as corrupt as it comes.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BRIAN on November 22, 2020, 09:20:43 AM
Smethdan i would think the "in goal" area is considered to be part of the playing area.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on November 22, 2020, 09:24:05 AM
We were cheated of course we were. I still cannot subscribe to the let’s get back to the championship view however. I want my club to be a success and that doesn’t happen if you are in the second tier. Other clubs do okay in this league, not just the chosen six. Let’s stay positive and move on.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on November 22, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
We were cheated of course we were. I still cannot subscribe to the let’s get back to the championship view however. I want my club to be a success and that doesn’t happen if you are in the second tier. Other clubs do okay in this league, not just the chosen six. Let’s stay positive and move on.
Great post , my feelings exactly.
You only go backwards if you stay at that level too long and on the evidence of the last 2 games this side is better than many think.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on November 22, 2020, 09:40:36 AM
We were cheated of course we were. I still cannot subscribe to the let’s get back to the championship view however. I want my club to be a success and that doesn’t happen if you are in the second tier. Other clubs do okay in this league, not just the chosen six. Let’s stay positive and move on.
I think what some people are saying is do we want to part of a corrupt league the Championship is more honest if the Premier was the same then there wouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on November 22, 2020, 10:29:43 AM
Championship league is as bad with inept officials, which is the real problem. Man Utd have had a ridiculous amount of penalties since var was brought in and I'd wager that their opponents had a fair few ruled out.
To get var right I think that there should be a representative of each team present in var booth which should be at grounds and not remotely located.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on November 22, 2020, 10:41:10 AM
I think what some people are saying is do we want to part of a corrupt league the Championship is more honest if the Premier was the same then there wouldn't be a problem.

I do get that. However, what happens if we do well in Championship? Got to find a way of establishing the club in the premier league, corrupt or not.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 22, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
VAR is like a counting machine at an election it's not the figures that count but how those figures are interpreted, the evidence may be black but if the powers that be say it's white there is nothing you can do about it.
VAR is a tool to make sure they get the result they wanted it's as corrupt as it comes.

I usually agree with you Kya, but in this instance the referee is a tool.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 22, 2020, 10:58:57 AM
I'm still seething to be honest, in fact I can't recall ever feeling so cheated in a game. My wife doesn't watch much football but she was glued to this - first thinking we looked excellent (which we absolutely did next to United) - and then as furious as me about how the decisions were made.

She said the same as all of us, this league is loaded in the big guns' favour.

It was massively unjust and while I love the Albion I think the game at the top level is well and truly screwed. Bloody Sky. Bloody Murdoch. Bloody MONEY.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 22, 2020, 11:11:43 AM
I haven't watched any Replays of it the general view from everyone is that United were gifted a win I am still angry I will listen to the games today to see what points are raised about last night. But we move on hopefully we win next game COYB and **** VAR a total farse
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: NJS on November 22, 2020, 12:04:15 PM
Somewhere between the Premier League and Sky there is a motive for creating a competition at the top end of the division.  It creates more headlines and more subscriptions than what might be happening elsewhere in the league.

I think this creates a pressure - even unspoken - on referees to do right by the top clubs especially those challenging Citeh and Liverpool this season (cf Spurs and Man Utd).

Second factor is that Mourinho or Solskaer complaining creates more headlines and more comeback on refs than complaints from Dyche or Bilic.

Third factor is that so many refs are star-struck and even supporters of the top six.

All of the above nets down to the conclusion that you can't look for fairness in the EPL.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kc56wba on November 22, 2020, 12:19:45 PM
Fuming last night, still fuming this morning.  >:( The football authorities need to look at this VAR rubbish, it is killing football.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: johnny Cash on November 22, 2020, 12:32:19 PM
Watch the ref go to the monitor again. He doesn’t even wait for the best angle. He’s already walking away when it gets to it.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SirTonyM on November 22, 2020, 12:36:27 PM
On another note, we can’t seem to score. We created chances yesterday but our lack of goals even with Grant in the team is worrying...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on November 22, 2020, 01:51:02 PM
Worth retelling the old Megson story about pre-match at Old Trafford:

Ref doing the courtesies, oils up to Rooney, "Oh, hi Wayne, I was wondering would we get a pic after the match for my 12 y old son.  Have a good day, Wayne."

Strides up to Paul Robsinson:  "You, Robinson, I know your style, you'd better keep it clean today"

And then people are surprised when things like last night happen?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Pie on November 22, 2020, 02:04:52 PM
Watch the ref go to the monitor again. He doesn’t even wait for the best angle. He’s already walking away when it gets to it.

he was also stood quie far away for a smalls screen, how can he possibly see to make a decision from that.

It was just an act.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SmethDan on November 22, 2020, 02:22:46 PM
Smethdan i would think the "in goal" area is considered to be part of the playing area.

Hello Brian. If you read your post back to yourself and have a think about it, you'll realise why the 'in goal' area is not considered part of the playing area of a football pitch.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on November 22, 2020, 02:25:37 PM
I usually agree with you Kya, but in this instance the referee is a tool.
Well,  on that front you won't get any arguments from me! ;)
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on November 22, 2020, 02:28:18 PM
I'm still seething to be honest, in fact I can't recall ever feeling so cheated in a game. My wife doesn't watch much football but she was glued to this - first thinking we looked excellent (which we absolutely did next to United) - and then as furious as me about how the decisions were made.

She said the same as all of us, this league is loaded in the big guns' favour.

It was massively unjust and while I love the Albion I think the game at the top level is well and truly screwed. Bloody Sky. Bloody Murdoch. Bloody MONEY.
This site really could do with a thumbs-up emoji but suffice to say regarding Sky I agree.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gerry m on November 22, 2020, 03:18:07 PM
Touch and go for me on our penalty, think we could have got it. Should have been a foul before Utd got theirs. But not really surprised the money men are not interested in 'little' clubs like us.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 22, 2020, 04:00:21 PM
Well they haven't mentioned it on 5 live but based on what I have read ex Man Utd players are saying it was a soft penalty and that we should have had a Penalty and either Fernandez or Maguire sent off at least so far West Ham and Sheffield United was a good game to take my mind of VAR. But Talking about how we played we desevered a draw possibly a win I had a feeling we could have Scored based on the Commentary United were on the ropes we were close to breaking through then everything happened and we just sort of gave up but still gave it a go. Good Performance in controversial circumstances at least if we go down they will be fighting for Billic
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on November 22, 2020, 04:18:03 PM
Technically speaking the goalkeeper cannot stand behind the goal line by choice as he would be leaving the technical area of play without permission. He would then need the permission of the referee to re enter play. We see the same time and again when players leave the technical area of play when injured. An act of momentum in open play is different.
How does that apply to throw ins then?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SmethDan on November 22, 2020, 05:39:07 PM
How does that apply to throw ins then?

Your feet stay off the pitch when you take a throw in. If you step onto the pitch in  the action of taking a throw in it becomes a foul throw. Throw ins, like corners, are a consequence of on field play. Therefore you 'have' to leave the pitch in order for them to be taken and don't require permission to re enter the field of play as you would when returning from treatment. Goalkeepers do not 'have' to leave the pitch to face a penalty.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: chippyclarke on November 22, 2020, 07:06:35 PM
Then I suggest you rewatch the game and concentrate only on Sawyers.

He has no desire whatsoever, he simply stops when he loses possession.
He's got to be the laziest player ever in an Albion shirt. can be a nice passer of the ball but when it comes to tackling, forget it except when the opposition player  is past him, he'll then take the guys legs. Gallagher shows him up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: chippyclarke on November 22, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Watch the ref go to the monitor again. He doesn’t even wait for the best angle. He’s already walking away when it gets to it.
I thought that as well. A disgrace.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wodenson46 on November 22, 2020, 07:47:17 PM
Was so angry yesterday. However after sleeping on it and in the cold light of day, in the interest of trying to give it a balanced and fair and objective consideration I Have come to the following conclusions: 

The farcical events ensuing from our penalty, would never happen in any other game. For instance, in cricket parlance where video evidence and off field officials have been in use for some time, our penalty could be compared to the umpire giving a batsman out lbw. The batting team then request referring it to the third umpire who checks the video evidence, finds it inconclusive and refers it back as 'umpires decision'. And here is the difference - The on field umpire then changes his decision in favour of the batting side. It is totally out of order and the only way anything similar could even be thought of is if the batting team were called Manchester United, Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool or Everton et al.

It is one of the many ****** decisions by a ****** set of officials in the shittiest most corrupt league that has ever existed in sport. Everybody knows it, Everybody sees it, but it is still allowed to happen on a weekly basis. Why is there not a single media outlet with the cojones to call it into question, investigate properly and name names and their respective positions in their respective organisations. Who is actually paying the piper to play their tunes? We might think we know, but I suspect it goes far deeper and has been in operation in different guises over many years in 'the peoples game' It has not been the peoples game even before tv rights. The game has for a long time belonged to a certain few clubs and their associates who usually benefit from any changes, and for whom the laws of the game and even the land have little relevance.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SmethDan on November 22, 2020, 09:33:26 PM
He's got to be the laziest player ever in an Albion shirt.........

Throw away comments like this really fry my brain. I'm disgusted on behalf of Fabian de Freitas. Besides his debut and failure to even get out of bed for the 1-5 versus Crewe, being the laziest Albion player ever was his only real claim to fame in our colours. And now you assert that he doesn't even have that. Some people just have no respect for our former players. Hang your head in shame sir.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on November 22, 2020, 10:50:10 PM
I thought that as well. A disgrace.
word in your ear sir !?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: chipperclark on November 22, 2020, 11:10:59 PM
 >:( Tim Sherwood said we wont win 11 games to stay up. Slav should post this on the dressing room wall. I am sure this would motivate the players.

On another note Gallagher is bound for the top in the game he is a "human dynamo". Periera and Grady are performing at 60% and need a kick up the backside.

Also Krov should be playing every game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tuamigos on November 23, 2020, 06:17:54 AM
>:( Tim Sherwood said we wont win 11 games to stay up. Slav should post this on the dressing room wall. I am sure this would motivate the players.

On another note Gallagher is bound for the top in the game he is a "human dynamo". Periera and Grady are performing at 60% and need a kick up the backside.

Also Krov should be playing every game.

First time I've ever agreed with anything Sherwood has had to say.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 23, 2020, 09:21:36 AM
Always wondered why I don't watch match of the day, analyse after game a joke.

if you don't watch MOTD how do you know the analysis was a joke?

Both Wright and Shearer agreed that the Man Utd pen shouldn't have been given. Wright seemed to think we should have had a penalty, Lineker made a comment that it's hard for refs when players go down easily (which Gallagher did). Wright also said that it was unfair to punish goalkeeepers when players jump before they take the penalty. Seems to me they were agreeing with a lot of what has been said on here.


Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on November 23, 2020, 09:44:03 AM
if you don't watch MOTD how do you know the analysis was a joke?

Both Wright and Shearer agreed that the Man Utd pen shouldn't have been given. Wright seemed to think we should have had a penalty, Lineker made a comment that it's hard for refs when players go down easily (which Gallagher did). Wright also said that it was unfair to punish goalkeeepers when players jump before they take the penalty. Seems to me they were agreeing with a lot of what has been said on here.
Sorry but that wasn't the case - for the Man U pen they said with the rules as they are then it's a penalty. They did not mention once the foul on Gallagher in the lead-up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 23, 2020, 10:01:32 AM
Sorry but that wasn't the case - for the Man U pen they said with the rules as they are then it's a penalty. They did not mention once the foul on Gallagher in the lead-up.

Shearer says "under the law then yeah it's a pen but we don't like the law he's (Furlong) not even looking at the ball" Wright agrees and adds "he's turned his back". So they both think it's wrong to give a penalty.
 They are right though that under the rules it's a pen. So the analysis was hardly a joke as said by the original poster.

Lineker and Wright (in particular) also say that it's hard for keeper at penalties as players do jump before they kick it. Wright also says that players should be banned from jumping if keepers are going to be penalised for diving forward.

Agreed that they didn't mention the foul on Gallagher but then the game which is on last never gets much detailed analysis.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: MarkW on November 23, 2020, 10:09:08 AM
It's an interesting one that Johnstone clearly had studied Fernandes' technique for pens, because you see his step forward is actually to one side, so Fernandes then strokes the ball the other way, but Johnstone has enough to get back over.

If he'd have stayed on his line a little longer (hard to time, I grant you), he might have got away with it. I think the Scotland keeper in their penalty shootout basically had to checked with the referee that his save to win the match was legitimate, which takes something away from the celebration itself.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 23, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
It's an interesting one that Johnstone clearly had studied Fernandes' technique for pens, because you see his step forward is actually to one side, so Fernandes then strokes the ball the other way, but Johnstone has enough to get back over.

If he'd have stayed on his line a little longer (hard to time, I grant you), he might have got away with it. I think the Scotland keeper in their penalty shootout basically had to checked with the referee that his save to win the match was legitimate, which takes something away from the celebration itself.

yeah I mentioned that when I was discussing the Johnstone save with my mom. 

I think Johnstone would have got away with it if he had stayed on his line for another second or so, but as you rightly say it would be hard to time that.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boingusmaximus on November 23, 2020, 01:03:15 PM
I think the penalty against us is a poor decision, but modern rules seem to back it up. Gallagher does do a lot of diving when tackling and being tackled, so am a bit 50/50 on that one. Johnston unlucky after a good save, but the rules are quite clear on that aspect and so no real arguments. Just a build up of decisions that all went against us that makes it hard to take.
Main worry is one goal in five games, which cannot be blamed on anyone else but us.
I like Gallagher, by the way, shows the energy level that one or two of our other midfielders lack.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albionic on November 23, 2020, 01:24:59 PM
We do seem to be tightening up the back end (oo-err missus) in no small part due to SJ. Its going to be the case that this will cause issues further forward, which (in my view) is exacerbated by playing Periera wide and remote from Diangana, fix that and we will become a better team all around in my opinion.

we need to play a sort of Diamond

             Back 4

    Sawyers   Gallagher

              Krov

 Periera              Diangana

               Grant

I accept its lightweight and asks an awful lot of Gallagher, but the options are limited.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: skyclad99 on November 23, 2020, 01:39:04 PM
First time I've ever agreed with anything Sherwood has had to say.

All I hear from Sherbet is white noise.......
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on November 23, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
All I hear from Sherbet is white noise.......
why listen to that failed coach?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on November 23, 2020, 03:30:03 PM
Shearer says "under the law then yeah it's a pen but we don't like the law he's (Furlong) not even looking at the ball" Wright agrees and adds "he's turned his back". So they both think it's wrong to give a penalty.
 They are right though that under the rules it's a pen. So the analysis was hardly a joke as said by the original poster.

Lineker and Wright (in particular) also say that it's hard for keeper at penalties as players do jump before they kick it. Wright also says that players should be banned from jumping if keepers are going to be penalised for diving forward.

Agreed that they didn't mention the foul on Gallagher but then the game which is on last never gets much detailed analysis.
I agree with the Jumps and had it mentioned before on 5 live with different pundits even a Wolves Fan agreed with me today about VAR of course he didn't watch the Game but I told him what happened and he was like how is that handball. Even when I played at School if someone turned to block the shot and hit your arm we carried on I once said it Hit my hand and the other kid who was Playing against me just said yeah but on accident. Comes to something when Kids know the rules or have better rules than the FA
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wodenson46 on November 23, 2020, 04:41:27 PM
3 Questions:

1) Against any team not just us, would Man U have been given the penalty we were refused.?

2) Against any team not just us, Would Man U Have been penalised for the 'hand ball'?

3) Against any team not just us, Had the Man U goalkeeper saved a penalty in exactly the same way,   would their opponents been given another go?

Answers:
1) Yes absolutely no doubt- and all the old retired referees and other pundits would all have agreed, without making excuses for this appalling cheat of a ref.

2) No. Of course it wouldn't there would be a load of 'valid' excuses trotted out to defend the 'accident'

3) No.The VAR wastes of space would have to look at it, but would have found some reason within the run up to deem it a legal save.

Still it was only against West Brom so it doesn't matter that much does it?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: chippyclarke on November 23, 2020, 06:01:32 PM
Throw away comments like this really fry my brain. I'm disgusted on behalf of Fabian de Freitas. Besides his debut and failure to even get out of bed for the 1-5 versus Crewe, being the laziest Albion player ever was his only real claim to fame in our colours. And now you assert that he doesn't even have that. Some people just have no respect for our former players. Hang your head in shame sir.
My sincere apologies to Fabian. I wasn't thinking clearly at the time but possibly by the end of the season, his title will have been taken away from him!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on November 23, 2020, 06:36:15 PM
I don't think it helps that the ref had been taken off VAR duties not long ago - so was probably worried about making a big decision against a big side.