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Off Topic => General Football & Sports => Topic started by: Baggies on March 13, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
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http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2313694,00.html
Michael Appleton and Keith Downing are staying on as assistant and first team coach for the rest of the season.
Good news really. Appleton gets to continue his development at the club learning under Hodgson which might give him a defensive side to his coaching after working under Mowbray and Di Matteo.
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Whilst i'm glad he's staying on as a coach, I do hope we don't continue with the plan to make him manager as he progresses. Much prefer to see if he could do a job elsewhere first, after the West Ham fiasco.
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I like the way they have been sensible regarding length of contract for a start,in years gone by we have dived into giving out longer contracts straight away.I must admit i did expect to see Lewington join Roy pretty much straight away but that hasnt happened.
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I think Roy will bring a couple of his own team in next season, but Appleton and Downing will remain two talented young coaches who could learn alot from someone like Roy.
The West Ham game showed that Appleton still as alot to learn but I dont see why he cant gain that by working here with Hodgson
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I like Michael Appleton, like Neil Clement, ten years of dedication speaks volumes for the man himself. I really wanted him to get a good result against West Ham, I thought the players let him down in the second half, he certainly got a response in the first 45 minutes. What wasn't helped was that both Mulumbu and Jerome Thomas both came off injured, according to Appleton, Thomas was carrying a shoulder injury after falling over the ball in the first half.
Appleton said himself, what he'll learn off Roy Hodgson will put him in good shape for the future, whether that's with us or elsewhere.
I wouldn't mind seeing Michael Appleton as our future manager. Maybe a double team with him and Derek McInnes...?
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I hope Roy brings in his own men for next season. Appleton needs alot more experience and if the game against West Ham shows anything its that hes probably been fast tracked too quickly. Personally I think he should stay and learn from one of the most experienced gaffers in the game. If he wants to leave and get a managers job then good luck to him but hes just not ready right now.
I'd like to see Downing stay as he seems to be doing a cracking job with the Academy boys.
It could be that we have others in mind who can do a better job - who knows.
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I like Michael Appleton, like Neil Clement, ten years of dedication speaks volumes for the man himself. I really wanted him to get a good result against West Ham, I thought the players let him down in the second half, he certainly got a response in the first 45 minutes. What wasn't helped was that both Mulumbu and Jerome Thomas both came off injured, according to Appleton, Thomas was carrying a shoulder injury after falling over the ball in the first half.
Appleton said himself, what he'll learn off Roy Hodgson will put him in good shape for the future, whether that's with us or elsewhere.
I wouldn't mind seeing Michael Appleton as our future manager. Maybe a double team with him and Derek McInnes...?
He let himself down, his abysmal substitutions and change in formation cost us that game. Never want to see him in the hot seat again.
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Great news!
I really like appy and i feel he will one day be s great manager and im hoping it may well be with us
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You have your oppinion Jacko but I cant help but feel your being harsh on Appleton, hes young, very inexperienced yet decided to step up in our hour of need. His tactics were poor once we had to make changes mid game against West Ham, however with the right attitude under a manager like ours he can now build on his tactical awareness.
I spent a few hours in his company last year and he lives and breathes football and more importantly our club. Sir Alex feels he has a big big future in the game aswell so thats some reference
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Im glad to see them both staying at the club, I think Appy can become a half decent manager one day.
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It would appear as though Roy has his own ideas for next season and that may not include Appleton, Kiely and Downing.
Why else would he want to review the situation in the summer if he had full confidence in the current coaching staff?
He's not stupid and making further changes at this stage of the season could have had a similar impact to when Ray Wilkins left Chelsea.
I like Appleton and hope he stays on but let's not forget that he was part of the woeful slump in form and results that eventually cost RDM & Co their jobs!
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I think its jumping the gun to say because he ballsed up against West Ham that he wont make a good manager or is not ready.
He made some poor decisions that day but so did the players, just say we had won 3-0 that game would people be saying he has to take over from Hodgson in 18 months?
You cant give him the job based one game and you cant not give him the job on one game as he only had ones weeks training leading upto it.
I am glad to see him and Downing involved, i would rather that than keep changing our whole setup every 2 seasons, he may turn out to be rubbish or he may turn out to be great but dont judge him either way on a great 45 mins and an awful 45 mins!
Royston may well add to the staff in the summer but i would hope Appy and Downing continue in some form of importance rather than just giving them a role for the sake of it. Downing has worked with our youngsters who are supposedly our best crops for years so it should hopefully benefit them to have continuity as they try and break into the first team.
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No matter Appy's tactical expertise (bit sceptical after the West Ham debacle) he won't be experienced enough to take over after Roy. Appy needs to go down the leagues and get some real first hand experince what it means to manage human beings for a few years before he will be ready to step into the PL.
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He let himself down, his abysmal substitutions and change in formation cost us that game. Never want to see him in the hot seat again.
Think you're being harsh there. Thomas and Mulumbu both came off injured, Dorrans hadn't played for weeks, he was probably struggling fitness wise baring in mind we had our derby a week later. The change of formation was questionable. As was bringing on James Morrison which up until half time seemed the right decsion.
Appy' had been threw into the deep end, he'd conducted himself well or week and for 45 minutes had the boys playing. Nobody in the ground expected us to be 3 up. The second half we managed to throw it away on the pitch aswell as off it. Substitutions or whatever, giving away free headers in the penalty area does not come down to substitutions or formations.
His first game ever in football management, he managed to get a point.
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As we currently have less coaches than when RDM was here, I'm surprised Roy hasn't brought someone in to help out, given our precarious position. Maybe who he wants isn't available just now, or the club won't pay compensation at this point in time? Who's our fitness coach at the moment, does anyone know?
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Maybe Appy and Downing can cope with the workload, like they were doing during RDM's last few months :)
Seriously, Hodgson is very very hands on so will only require his assistant to do just that.
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12040_7289011,0.html
Skysports.com understands West Brom assistant manager Michael Appleton is leading the race for the vacant manager's job at Portsmouth.
Portsmouth have been searching for a new manager after seeing Steve Cotterill leave Fratton Park for Nottingham Forest last month.
Sean O'Driscoll was thought to be the front-runner to fill the role after holding a couple of interviews at Fratton Park and being spotted at Portsmouth's game at Derby last weekend.
However, it appears Portsmouth have now turned to Appleton to take the reins at Fratton Park.
Appleton has established himself as one of the best young coaches in the country after impressing at West Brom.
The former Manchester United midfielder was appointed first-team coach at West Brom in JUne 2009 and took charge of first-team affairs when Roberto Di Matteo left the club in February 2011.
West Brom boss Roy Hodgson kept Appleton as part of his backroom when he replaced Di Matteo and the pair guided the Baggies to safety in the Premier League last season.
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Best of luck to him
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Good move for him.
Needs to go and get some management experience eslewhere.
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If there is any truth in it then it could be a very interesting move for him.
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Sky Sports Understands
Say no more!!!
More than likley aload of baloney. I am good freinds with a pompey season ticket holder, he informs me that they have been linked with every free manager under the sun!!!
Expect Sean O Driscoll to get it.
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It'd be a good opportunity for him, I'm not sure he'll ever get the opportunity here (at least while we're in the premier league) that second half against West Ham severely damaged his chances of going straight into management, but doing well elsewhere will do him no harm at all.
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Don't think JP would let him go (cheaply) at this stage, especially if Roy's future isn't tied up. We could be letting him go, only to be trying to get him back in the summer, if he is being prepared for the role as many people believe.
Other than that I think it would be a great move for him, you've only got to look at Pearson, McInnes and even Mowbray to see that they are building their reputations at the 'lower level', and in reality if Roy consolidates us and we stop up again, will fan expectation be that we should get a bigger name than Appy to fill his shoes.
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be good to see how he does before the albion job, mciness and appleton to have a season in the champ, roy signs a one year deal and season afer next the pair come back if theyve been any good!
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Be interesting to see what we do if Appleton does decide to leave. Do we bring in a new coach or do we stick with Hodgson and Downing?
Would be a good career move for Appleton.
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It's good that he'll go straight into a Championship job, but I see no prospects for Portsmouth. Too small a squad to challenge for promotion, just about enough there to survive.
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would be a greaqt move from him if thats his plan to move into managment ,i just hope the door will always be open to him if, like most managers he gets the sack.
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Good luck to him, it will be a very good move for him.
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Good luck to him if he does go.
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pompey are a small squad with high aspirations, he'd be better off doing what dimatteo did and go to league 1 to get his experience
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More in the Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2057328/West-Brom-coach-Michael-Appleton-latest-runner-race-vacant-Portsmouth-job.html
West Bromwich Albion coach Michael Appleton has emerged as a serious contender for the vacant manager's job at Portsmouth.
The 35-year-old has impressed Pompey chief executive David Lampitt during the interview process and sources close to the Championship club have pinpointed Appleton as the front-runner in the race to land the job.
Veteran boss Steve Coppell is another option for Portsmouth after holding an interview for the role.
Highly-rated: Appleton
Appleton is highly-rated by the Baggies - but it is understood manager Roy Hodgson will not stand in his way of the Fratton Park hot seat.
The former Manchester United player was named caretaker manager at the Hawthorns in the interim between Roberto Di Matteo's sacking and Hodgson's appointment.
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CL Twitter:
portsmouth making good progress on appleton pursuit. Hopeful it'll get done #wba
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I must eat my words!!!
Looks like he is going, my Pompey contact :D is now saying the job has been offered to him, not sure how true that is at present.
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Will be interesting to see what happens if he does go - do we promote from within the club (Downing, Kiely or someone else from with the youth/reserve set up) into the assistant role or bring in someone from outside ??
If RH's future is not certain I can't see JP/DA being overly keen to bring some one in on a long term contract if we then end up looking for a new manager come May.
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Will be interesting to see what happens if he does go - do we promote from within the club (Downing, Kiely or someone else from with the youth/reserve set up) into the assistant role or bring in someone from outside ??
If RH's future is not certain I can't see JP/DA being overly keen to bring some one in on a long term contract if we then end up looking for a new manager come May.
Downing is doing a great job with the kids (at least I think he's still with the kids) so I'd keep him there if he's happy to stay. Kiely is a goal keeper and goal keepers don't make good managers so doubt he'd make a good assistant. I'd like to see someone come in who Roy would like to work with (if Roy leaves so be it) maybe someone ambitious from the lower leagues like RDM took a step down the ladder to further his career.
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Downing is first team coach, David Oldfield now works with the reserves and academy.
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A new face in the management team might not be a bad idea. Might mean Roy stays on for another year as well!
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Downing is doing a great job with the kids (at least I think he's still with the kids) so I'd keep him there if he's happy to stay. Kiely is a goal keeper and goal keepers don't make good managers so doubt he'd make a good assistant. I'd like to see someone come in who Roy would like to work with (if Roy leaves so be it) maybe someone ambitious from the lower leagues like RDM took a step down the ladder to further his career.
Just out of interest, has a goalkeeper ever become a manager?
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bryan gunn - not a good stint mind
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Shilton was at Plymouth for a while
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Dino Zoff
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Just out of interest, has a goalkeeper ever become a manager?
Nigel Adkins, Southampton manager. Doing a pretty good job as well.
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Nigel Adkins was. a physio.
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one of our old keepers became a successful manager...
jock wallace played for us in the early sixties and went on to manage a number of clubs including two spells at glasgow rangers, totalling nine years...
he also managed leicester city and sevilla
vob
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Thanks Oldbury for the info re Downing.
If he's not with the kids then let him have Appy's job unless we have a better option.
As the previous posters have shown, goal keepers don't make good managers so, sorry Deano, stick with your current role.
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Adkins also played about 300 games for Wigan.
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Adkins also played about 300 games for Wigan.
He played about 150 games for Wigan, 300ish career senior appearances in total. But he is massively in the minority. Great goalies have tried and failed (Banks, Shilton). Don't know why it is but they don't seem to make it.
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He played about 150 games for Wigan, 300ish career senior appearances in total. But he is massively in the minority. Great goalies have tried and failed (Banks, Shilton). Don't know why it is but they don't seem to make it.
Shilts spent most of his time crashing his car and getting heavily into debt at the bookies. Rumour had it that Banks had his eye on the England job...it must have been the wrong eye.
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Didnt Zoff win the world cup when manager of Italy, not a bad result!
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Maybe so but my point was to aiden whi said hed not been a footballer.
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been told today by someone who works at the albion that appleton takes over on monday and has already said his good byes
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It's a good move for him if he takes it. Makes sense for him to have a go at a championship club first and it gives us a chance to have a look at him for the future. Both him and Mcinnis will be managers im sure our board will be keeping an eye on for the future.
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Good luck to him.
Anyone know who Roy's assistant was at Fulham & Liverpool?
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Good luck to him.
Anyone know who Roy's assistant was at Fulham & Liverpool?
Ray Lewington i believe.
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just watched the football league show, was wondering if anyone else noticed that whilst talking about Appleton for the pompey job they mentioned that he "is a former goalkeeper of course" - wrote (im presuming) by the same people who a couple of weeks ago on the League Cup Show that Arsenal were playing at Highbury against Bolton in the carling cup. how can people who write or present football shows be so out of touch with the game?
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Ray Lewington i believe.
Wasn't it Sammy Lee at Liverpool?
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Good luck to him.
Anyone know who Roy's assistant was at Fulham & Liverpool?
Mike Kelly, who declined the opportunity join Albion because he retired after the Liverpool debacle.
Wasnt he at the Albion years ago?,Neil Clements step dad?
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Good luck to him, they had a great win at the weekend.
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just watched the football league show, was wondering if anyone else noticed that whilst talking about Appleton for the pompey job they mentioned that he "is a former goalkeeper of course" - wrote (im presuming) by the same people who a couple of weeks ago on the League Cup Show that Arsenal were playing at Highbury against Bolton in the carling cup. how can people who write or present football shows be so out of touch with the game?
Yeah saw it last night. Typical really and to be honest I'm no longer surprised by these errors. The people who write these programmes aren't interested in football, just the glory that goes with the game. With MotD, it is the top 4, Sky the top 6 and the Football League Show, West Ham.
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If he takes the pompey job, who will fill his boots ?
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If he takes the pompey job, who will fill his boots ?
Another one with the same footballing philosophy as Roy probably
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Iwould suggest maybe Keith Downing might step up??
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Wouldnt suprise me if he didnt approach one of his generals that served him well at Fulham.
Appleton will be a big loss to this club however but it seems hes now ready to spread his wings and leap out on his own two feet
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Good luck to him is he does go, seems highly rated by most at the club as a coach and has progressed through every level so is now seemingly ready to take a top job somewhere. Think he has the makings of a good manager, can't be judged on how he faired against West Ham in a one off game.
Roy has stated after the Arsenal game that he will promote from within if Appleton does go so that would presumably see Downing step up another level to assistant head coach.
Does anyone think there are any staff Appy may look to take with him if he does leave?
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Looks like Kiely could follow him according to this, not much to it though just a couple of lines:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2059600/Dean-Kiely-follow-Michael-Appleton-Portsmouth.html
West Brom goalkeeper coach Dean Kiely could follow Michael Appleton to Portsmouth.
Kiely spent a season at the south coast club in 2006, and Albion coach Appleton is expected to be unveiled as their new manager by the weekend.
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Looks like Kiely could follow him according to this, not much to it though just a couple of lines:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2059600/Dean-Kiely-follow-Michael-Appleton-Portsmouth.html
West Brom goalkeeper coach Dean Kiely could follow Michael Appleton to Portsmouth.
Kiely spent a season at the south coast club in 2006, and Albion coach Appleton is expected to be unveiled as their new manager by the weekend.
;D Good for Deano will get some managerial experience as Appys' assistant
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Hopefully if Appy gets the job, and if Kiely goes also, they may look to loan a couple of our talented youngsters. Experience for them at that level would be great, if they get the chance. If Appy does well and we are in need of a manager I'm sure he will remain a good option for us.
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Appy will be named Pompey manager later today, according to the never reliable Sky Sports News.
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Chris Lepkoski has also stated that Appy is at Pompey's training ground meeting the players, and will be unveiled at a press conference later today(3pm)
Good Luck to him, and hope to see him back at the Hawthorns as No1 someday.
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Bye bye Appy :D
Best of luck at Pompey!!!
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http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2011/11/10/west-brom-assistant-boss-michael-appleton-appointed-manager-of-championship-club-portsmouth/
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Another footballing purist leaves :( Good luck Appy
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Who now for Roy's right hand man?
I know he has said he wont be looking yet but he must have someone in mind. Then again he has never really had a settled coaching team that follow him round from job to job.
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Who now for Roy's right hand man?
I know he has said he wont be looking yet but he must have someone in mind. Then again he has never really had a settled coaching team that follow him round from job to job.
From what ive heard, they wont replace Appy, Hodgson is happy with Downing and Kiely for now.
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I think one of the issues with bringing some one in to replace Appleton is that Roy is still only contracted until the end of the season so unless a new coach is prepared to accept a deal until the end of the season then if Roy does go we are left with a coach on a longer deal who has to be kept on even if the new manager doesn't want him or paid off.
However if Kiely does go as well it forces the hand one way or another.
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Well done to him and good luck. In a way I am glad he has gone to get experience elsewhere. The thought of us being his first managerial job didn't fill me with much confidence at all.
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I may be wrong here, but if they dont replace him could tha suggest that Roy is going at the end of the season?? Then in the summer the new manager brings his own staff with him??? There would be no point bringing in a new assistant and then Roy goes at the end of the season unless he is primed for the hotseat.
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I may be wrong here, but if they dont replace him could tha suggest that Roy is going at the end of the season?? Then in the summer the new manager brings his own staff with him??? There would be no point bringing in a new assistant and then Roy goes at the end of the season unless he is primed for the hotseat.
There would most likely be an opportunity to bring someone in on a short term basis if required. Especially someone currently out of work. Mike Kelly was mentioned earlier. He was with Roy at Liverpool but currently out of a job.
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There would most likely be an opportunity to bring someone in on a short term basis if required. Especially someone currently out of work. Mike Kelly was mentioned earlier. He was with Roy at Liverpool but currently out of a job.
Yeah your probably right, short term contract, and then in the summer possibly brings a new coaching regime to the club.
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I don't understand why Roy wouldn't want to commit really, but suppose he is a typical journeyman. Team GB job - given to someone else, - England job - he's only going to get it if he leads us to a top 4 finish.
It's about time he settled down in one job and one area, after all he's not far off a pensioner!
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I don't understand why Roy wouldn't want to commit really, but suppose he is a typical journeyman. Team GB job - given to someone else, - England job - he's only going to get it if he leads us to a top 4 finish.
It's about time he settled down in one job and one area, after all he's not far off a pensioner!
He may want to retire?? He isnt getting any younger.
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If he wanted to retire he would have said so by now surely. He is being very tight lipped on things.
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I Think he may well think about it, i suppose it depends whether we are still in the premier league or not.
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Good luck to Appleton, hope he can become successful. He has served our club well through the years!
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I think one of the issues with bringing some one in to replace Appleton is that Roy is still only contracted until the end of the season so unless a new coach is prepared to accept a deal until the end of the season then if Roy does go we are left with a coach on a longer deal who has to be kept on even if the new manager doesn't want him or paid off.
There must be someone around who's currently unemployed or at a lower division club who could do a good job for us and who would be happy to have a contract just until the end of the season initially? If he did a good job, he could put himself in the driving seat to get the Head Coach job whenever Roy goes, even if it's at the end of this season. Seems like a no-brainer to me, rather than trying to manage with one coach too few.
However if Kiely does go as well it forces the hand one way or another.
Personally I'm hoping Kiely does go, as I've yet to be convinced that he's done much to improve our keepers since appointed to the GK Coach role.
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Good look Appy but I got a funny feeling it will only end in tears hope i'm wrong though.
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I wish Appleton all the best but can't see it working out unfortunately.
If Kiely does opt to join him like it has been speculated. I can see Andy Marriott becoming our goalkeeping coach in the short term.
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Its a good first job really for him to learn the ropes, they shouldn't go down, but its highly unlikely they'd make the play offs either so as long as he's not a complete disaster he should have a fair bit of settling in time.
Although they do have a tiny squad, so I wonder if he'll be using us for loans.
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Although they do have a tiny squad, so I wonder if he'll be using us for loans.
I'd be quite happy to see some of the fringe players (Thorne, Mantom, Downing etc) playing regular football in the championship
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Good luck to Appy. Good move for him, he needs managerial experience to take his career to the next step. Also I think it is good for us, an opportunity for a new hungry coach to step in and do a job.
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Now this is purely speculation but Appleton moving to pompey got me thinking. Appleton was one of the names considered to take over from RDM. Instead RH got the job. Thus you would have thought, as people have suggested, that if appleton was being groomed to become future head coach, we wouldn't have let him leave? I think hes signed a three and half year contract at pompey. So either RH plans to stay a few more years yet, or we have some candidates in mind which are more favourable than appleton. And we all know how highly regarded he is at the club. I could be totally wrong but you never know.
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Ray Wilkins, Ian Holloway and Karl Robinson, dont shoot me down but there 3 people on the list.
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In my opinion we were never likely to offer the job to an untried manager/head coach. Theres too much at stake for us to pin our survival hopes on a manager with zero experience.
I dont think Roy will get the England job so it wouldnt surprise me if he signs a contract extension.
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12040_7289011,0.html
Skysports.com understands West Brom assistant manager Michael Appleton is leading the race for the vacant manager's job at Portsmouth.
Portsmouth have been searching for a new manager after seeing Steve Cotterill leave Fratton Park for Nottingham Forest last month.
Sean O'Driscoll was thought to be the front-runner to fill the role after holding a couple of interviews at Fratton Park and being spotted at Portsmouth's game at Derby last weekend.
However, it appears Portsmouth have now turned to Appleton to take the reins at Fratton Park.
Appleton has established himself as one of the best young coaches in the country after impressing at West Brom.
The former Manchester United midfielder was appointed first-team coach at West Brom in JUne 2009 and took charge of first-team affairs when Roberto Di Matteo left the club in February 2011.
West Brom boss Roy Hodgson kept Appleton as part of his backroom when he replaced Di Matteo and the pair guided the Baggies to safety in the Premier League last season.
I hope he knows that he'll be washing the kit due to the new budget measures at Fratton Park ;D LMAO
Good luck Appy ;)
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Doesn't seem the most popular appointment:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=424
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Doesn't seem the most popular appointment:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=424
Oh dear! Not very positive at all. Almost an air of West Ham about them - face it, Pompey, you are a sh!t club, in a dire situation - who do you expect? Ancelotti?!
Appy is hard working, no doubts about that. Whether or not he has the ability to be a good manager (completely different to a good coach) remains to be seen. Good luck to him!
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Doesn't seem the most popular appointment:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=424
Understandable really, its like our next manager being a someone who retired from a Championship team in 2004 and hasnt had a managers job anywhere else since. I know for a fact if that happened to us 70% of this board would be going mad.
Unfortunatley thats the way fans are they would rather have a name they have heard of even if they have been sacked 6 times in there career, than someone whoo they have not heard of.
Good luck Appy! Go and prove them wrong, win 2 games in a row they will love him.
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Good luck to him, I hope he does well down there.
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Really hope he does well, will be keeping a very close eye on pompey from now on, best of luck to him.
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I wish him all the best. Hope he goes there and suceeds. It'll take him some time to learn the ropes and settle in but if he does a good job down there then who's to say we won't see him back here in a few years time?
As for the coaching situation at our club. Appleton has said in his press conference he has no plans as such to bring Dean Kiely to Portsmouth. He's happy with Richard Gray and the other fella who was at Portsmouth whilst they were without a manager.
Hopefully the club use this as an oppurtunity to get the likes of George Thorne and Sam Mantom some first team football by sending them to Appleton.
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Good luck Appy.
Always liked the guy as he seemed 100% committed to the Albion in everything he did.
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good luck appyy.
hope you and Mcinnes do the biso in the championship
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Good luck to him, just seen the Pompey Chief Executive "defending" the appointment, think this could be a tough gig.
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good riddance. has been a good coach for us but so glad he didnt get the job before roy or has been lined up to get it if roy leaves etc. that 2nd half against west ham proves hes got no football common sence
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good riddance. has been a good coach for us but so glad he didnt get the job before roy or has been lined up to get it if roy leaves etc. that 2nd half against west ham proves hes got no football common sence
what did the 1st half prove
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good riddance. has been a good coach for us but so glad he didnt get the job before roy or has been lined up to get it if roy leaves etc. that 2nd half against west ham proves hes got no football common sence
So based upon 45 minutes of football, the man has been written off? He took over a team who had won 3 in 16 and gave them a three nil lead. He my have made some questionable subs in hind sight, but i don't think it's fair to judge Appleton's managerial capabilities upon a single result.
Good luck to him, a fantastic servant to the club and I hope he proves everybody wrong
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good riddance. has been a good coach for us but so glad he didnt get the job before roy or has been lined up to get it if roy leaves etc. that 2nd half against west ham proves hes got no football common sence
Also worth remembering two of the substitutions in that game were enforced.
Why don't we criticise the players for bottling their duties instead of picking bones into a person who was facing his first ever game as a football manager.
I was reading the other day a piece about Alex Ferguson and how after a while fans wanted him out, look what he's gone onto achieve. Managers/coaches are human, they will mistakes, but the loyalty shown to us by Appleton has to be admired. I will have no worries about appointing Appleton if he proves to be a success down at Fratton Park.
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We defended like schoolboys in the second half of that game. 3-0 up and bottled it. Nowt to do with the management IMO. Error prone defending which has continued this season albeit to a slightly lesser extent.
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Good luck Appy.
Always liked the guy as he seemed 100% committed to the Albion in everything he did.
Apart from going for an interview and saying YES to the Portsmouth chairman ;)
Good Luck, Appy - Top Man!
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because at 3-0 up at half time you dont have to score again !!! he remained at 4-4-2 knowing west ham was going to come out and just attack. all we needed to do was not concede so he stayed at 4-4-2. i am 99% sure if he would have reverted to 4-5-1, packed the midfield and keep the 3-0 lead we would of won that game.
that for me, is common sense.
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because at 3-0 up at half time you dont have to score again !!! he remained at 4-4-2 knowing west ham was going to come out and just attack. all we needed to do was not concede so he stayed at 4-4-2. i am 99% sure if he would have reverted to 4-5-1, packed the midfield and keep the 3-0 lead we would of won that game.
that for me, is common sense.
I agree. If he had kept the 3-0 lead we would have won.
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because at 3-0 up at half time you dont have to score again !!! he remained at 4-4-2 knowing west ham was going to come out and just attack. all we needed to do was not concede so he stayed at 4-4-2. i am 99% sure if he would have reverted to 4-5-1, packed the midfield and keep the 3-0 lead we would of won that game.
that for me, is common sense.
Would changing to 451 of helped us with the set pieces? Which proved to be the biggest fault in that game and season.
West Ham never tore us apart, the majority of their chances came from balls into the box and our failure to deal with set pieces. Freddie Piquionne came on a substitute for West Ham, he stud unmarked until Nicky Shorey picked him up. West Ham scored from a Piquionne knock down. Can Appleton be blamed for that? I'm not so sure.
The team let Appleton down that day. Their pathetic defending threw away the lead. Not Appleton.
Just to add, your bit about common sense. Hodgson obviously saw enough in Appleton to keep him on from February. If Hodgson hadn't then I'm fairly certain Appleton would of been given a different role or we would of introduced a new coach. The fact, Appleton has covered many roles across this club, and been vocally backed numerous occasions by Hodgson suggests to me the man has plenty of common sense about him.
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Good luck Appy and thanks for the hard working years down at the Albion
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good riddance. has been a good coach for us but so glad he didnt get the job before roy or has been lined up to get it if roy leaves etc. that 2nd half against west ham proves hes got no football common sence
Says it all really. The guy gave his all for Albion. Injury ended his playing career at the Hawthorns. He takes on every role asked of him, passes all of his coaching badges works his way up the ranks but 45 minutes is all that some will remember.
Best of luck Appy- hope to see you back at the Hawthorns - with us or against us you'll get a great reception (from most of us).
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good luck apps! shame some on here seem to remember the west ham game and not his time here.
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because at 3-0 up at half time you dont have to score again !!! he remained at 4-4-2 knowing west ham was going to come out and just attack. all we needed to do was not concede so he stayed at 4-4-2. i am 99% sure if he would have reverted to 4-5-1, packed the midfield and keep the 3-0 lead we would of won that game.
that for me, is common sense.
Hey if Roy leaves at the end of the season here's our next manager...
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Hopefully the club use this as an oppurtunity to get the likes of George Thorne and Sam Mantom some first team football by sending them to Appleton.
Good luck and thanks to Appy he's done a good stint with us BUT think George Thorne should stay and get his first team football with us the sooner the better.
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Im pleased for him. This gives him another chance to continue his development as a manger and it allows us to have a look at him without having to take the plunge ourselves.
If Thorne does not get into our side soon I think a loan move to Pompey might now be beneficial.
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Good luck to him as it wont be a easy job to turn Pompey around.From our point of view i hope it doesnt effect us too much as its been said Appleton was very popular,i believe Managers and their no.2s need to be fairly different people like TM and Venus.What we dont need is another situation like Burkinshaw and Mortimer who were far too much alike and dour.
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good luck appy i wish you sucsess
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Would changing to 451 of helped us with the set pieces? Which proved to be the biggest fault in that game and season.
West Ham never tore us apart, the majority of their chances came from balls into the box and our failure to deal with set pieces. Freddie Piquionne came on a substitute for West Ham, he stud unmarked until Nicky Shorey picked him up. West Ham scored from a Piquionne knock down. Can Appleton be blamed for that? I'm not so sure.
The team let Appleton down that day. Their pathetic defending threw away the lead. Not Appleton.
Just to add, your bit about common sense. Hodgson obviously saw enough in Appleton to keep him on from February. If Hodgson hadn't then I'm fairly certain Appleton would of been given a different role or we would of introduced a new coach. The fact, Appleton has covered many roles across this club, and been vocally backed numerous occasions by Hodgson suggests to me the man has plenty of common sense about him.
how do you not know?? the lead up to any of the goals could and i beleive WOULD have been prevented if we had 5 in midfield and a more defensive outlook in the 2nd half. we would have kept the ball better and dictated the play. instead west ham come out and got into us while we STILL had 4 in midfield and got over run. 10 minutes into the 2nd half you could see we were getting over run and nothing changed. that for me is naive. i would be dissappointed if that happened on a sunday league game.
as soon as that happened i was 100 sure i did not want him any where near the managers position. And just because hodgson remained with the backroom staff doesnt mean he really wanted him does it? maybe he didnt want to upset the stability at the club and try and keep everything the same? hence why he stayed with 4-5-1 untill this season where he is trying to put his own stamp on the club?
it doesnt matter if its his first game or last, at any level that is shocking to be 3-0 up at half time and not see the game out. tactically he got it wrong remaining with 4-4-2 for another 45 minutes. why did we have to do that? we didnt have to score again.
and this big reputation appleton has got and its "really sad to see him go". it doesnt sound as though weve tried our best to keep him does it? a club has come in and weve let him go. end of.
i am pretty confident he will not make it as a manager. people think oh you cant judge him off 45 minutes. but you can !!!! if my nan was in charge of that game at half time she would of knew what to do.
i just thought it was basic football knowledge and he made a pigs ear of it.
Good Riddance.
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how do you not know?? the lead up to any of the goals could and i beleive WOULD have been prevented if we had 5 in midfield and a more defensive outlook in the 2nd half. we would have kept the ball better and dictated the play. instead west ham come out and got into us while we STILL had 4 in midfield and got over run. 10 minutes into the 2nd half you could see we were getting over run and nothing changed. that for me is naive. i would be dissappointed if that happened on a sunday league game.
as soon as that happened i was 100 sure i did not want him any where near the managers position. And just because hodgson remained with the backroom staff doesnt mean he really wanted him does it? maybe he didnt want to upset the stability at the club and try and keep everything the same? hence why he stayed with 4-5-1 untill this season where he is trying to put his own stamp on the club?
it doesnt matter if its his first game or last, at any level that is shocking to be 3-0 up at half time and not see the game out. tactically he got it wrong remaining with 4-4-2 for another 45 minutes. why did we have to do that? we didnt have to score again.
and this big reputation appleton has got and its "really sad to see him go". it doesnt sound as though weve tried our best to keep him does it? a club has come in and weve let him go. end of.
i am pretty confident he will not make it as a manager. people think oh you cant judge him off 45 minutes. but you can !!!! if my nan was in charge of that game at half time she would of knew what to do.
i just thought it was basic football knowledge and he made a pigs ear of it.
Good Riddance.
It was the players that lost us 2 points that game. Not Appy.
Firstly your judging a manager on one game, and 1 week worth of training with that team. So to make your assumptions on that alone is bad enough.
You seem to forget the awful slump in form we were going through at the time. Its not as if we were high-flying WBA who smashed 3 past lowly West Ham only for them to come back to 3-3.
We were lowly WBA too at the time. Hideously out of form. Being coached how not to defend by RDM for over a year.
Appy inherited a team completely shot of any organisation or confidence. I was watching that game on a stream and knew, as soon as their first goal went in, they were going to get something out of the game. That wasn't down to management. That was down to them having the edge because they have just scored, their fans all of a sudden piping up, and doubt edging into our players minds. It had 3-3 written all over it before Appy had made his first tactical sub.
Add that to the fact Mulumbu came off injured very early on.
Good luck Appy. Cheers for the 8 years.
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Steady guys,remember debate not insults
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Good luck Appy. Cheers for the 8 years.
Its very nearly 12 ;) he signed in January 2001, I remember it clearly.
Has a player who played so little for us ever made such a big contribution behind the scenes?
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how do you not know?? the lead up to any of the goals could and i beleive WOULD have been prevented if we had 5 in midfield and a more defensive outlook in the 2nd half. we would have kept the ball better and dictated the play. instead west ham come out and got into us while we STILL had 4 in midfield and got over run. 10 minutes into the 2nd half you could see we were getting over run and nothing changed. that for me is naive. i would be dissappointed if that happened on a sunday league game.
as soon as that happened i was 100 sure i did not want him any where near the managers position. And just because hodgson remained with the backroom staff doesnt mean he really wanted him does it? maybe he didnt want to upset the stability at the club and try and keep everything the same? hence why he stayed with 4-5-1 untill this season where he is trying to put his own stamp on the club?
it doesnt matter if its his first game or last, at any level that is shocking to be 3-0 up at half time and not see the game out. tactically he got it wrong remaining with 4-4-2 for another 45 minutes. why did we have to do that? we didnt have to score again.
and this big reputation appleton has got and its "really sad to see him go". it doesnt sound as though weve tried our best to keep him does it? a club has come in and weve let him go. end of.
i am pretty confident he will not make it as a manager. people think oh you cant judge him off 45 minutes. but you can !!!! if my nan was in charge of that game at half time she would of knew what to do.
i just thought it was basic football knowledge and he made a pigs ear of it.
Good Riddance.
Talk about giving the bloke a chance eh. You can judge someone on 45 minutes but it does stand for much in a debate really. Like saying a player who has a poor debut will never make it at the club, no logic in that.
Players threw away a 3-0 lead. No matter what your formation is unless you are down to 8 men you should never at Premiership level let a 3-0 lead slip. Simple as that.
Hope you will be big enough IF he does do well to come back on and say he has proved you wrong and that he is infact a better manager than your Premiership established nan.
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I wish him the best of luck, I'm much happier seeing him get an opportunity elsewhere than being thrown into the job here. I wont judge him on that West Ham game that is for sure and I think it is unfair to for anyone really.
It was interesting to see the CL chat the other day when asked about any possible replacements for Appleton and he said we had looked into bringing Ray Lewington in when Hodgson first joined but he wanted a long term contract while Roy was only committing to next summer so I can understand our reluctance to add anyone else until we know where we stand with Hodgson.
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All the best mucka,
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Anyone reckon we have put some sort of clause in which would see Appleton return to us with a minimal compensation package?
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good luck to the bloke.
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Talk about giving the bloke a chance eh. You can judge someone on 45 minutes but it does stand for much in a debate really. Like saying a player who has a poor debut will never make it at the club, no logic in that.
Players threw away a 3-0 lead. No matter what your formation is unless you are down to 8 men you should never at Premiership level let a 3-0 lead slip. Simple as that.
Hope you will be big enough IF he does do well to come back on and say he has proved you wrong and that he is infact a better manager than your Premiership established nan.
no that is the worst comparison ever. a player may have a bad game. Managers make mistakes with subs. but my point is how can he have this big reputation of being a great coach and manager if he doesnt know hte basics of when in a 3-0 lead we dont have to score? so he REMAINS with 2 up top. he REMAINS with 4 in midfield. this for me, is bad knowledge of the game. if i watched that on a sunday league game i would think whats he playing at?!?!
and if he made a couple of mistakes and we lost the game 3-0 id think okay hes got it wrong on a few things. but 3-0 up at half time its COMMON SENSE we havent got to score again so why remain in the open attacking set up we started with?!?!?!?
some people talk tripe on here and when they are proved wrong you never hear from them. i hope he does well and if he does i will admit i got it completely wrong. but from his basic footballing knowledge i beleive in my OPPINION he wont be good enough.
and i think some people on here need to remember its about OPPINIONS and just because you disagree with me does not mean i am right or you are right so please remember that before the dummy is spit out.
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We have read your opinion about half a dozen times now and before you take the high moral ground please realise that you are denigrating others opinions by describing them as tripe. Good riddance is not a phrase we should use to a loyal servant and I'm afraid that is fact and not opinion.
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no that is the worst comparison ever. a player may have a bad game. Managers make mistakes with subs. but my point is how can he have this big reputation of being a great coach and manager if he doesnt know hte basics of when in a 3-0 lead we dont have to score? so he REMAINS with 2 up top. he REMAINS with 4 in midfield. this for me, is bad knowledge of the game. if i watched that on a sunday league game i would think whats he playing at?!?!
and if he made a couple of mistakes and we lost the game 3-0 id think okay hes got it wrong on a few things. but 3-0 up at half time its COMMON SENSE we havent got to score again so why remain in the open attacking set up we started with?!?!?!?
some people talk tripe on here and when they are proved wrong you never hear from them. i hope he does well and if he does i will admit i got it completely wrong. but from his basic footballing knowledge i beleive in my OPPINION he wont be good enough.
and i think some people on here need to remember its about OPPINIONS and just because you disagree with me does not mean i am right or you are right so please remember that before the dummy is spit out.
If you could find where people have said he is a great manager that would be great thanks. No one has said this, because bar one game he has never been a manager.
He is quite clearly highly thought of by us, the players and Roy judging by his progression throughout our ranks, the comments by Ashworth and Roy and also players such as Wood, Daniels and Brunt. Also, Portsmouth who are no small club have appointed him. A load of other clubs made approaches, and he beat of Steve Coppell and Sean O'Driscoll to the Pompey job. All of this, blows your pathetic reasoning behind your 'good riddance' comment completely out of the water.
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Anyone reckon we have put some sort of clause in which would see Appleton return to us with a minimal compensation package?
I was thinking about this, and knowing JP i think we may have. I indeed hope we have. Consider it more a managerial loan!
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no that is the worst comparison ever. a player may have a bad game. Managers make mistakes with subs. but my point is how can he have this big reputation of being a great coach and manager if he doesnt know hte basics of when in a 3-0 lead we dont have to score? so he REMAINS with 2 up top. he REMAINS with 4 in midfield. this for me, is bad knowledge of the game. if i watched that on a sunday league game i would think whats he playing at?!?!
and if he made a couple of mistakes and we lost the game 3-0 id think okay hes got it wrong on a few things. but 3-0 up at half time its COMMON SENSE we havent got to score again so why remain in the open attacking set up we started with?!?!?!?
some people talk tripe on here and when they are proved wrong you never hear from them. i hope he does well and if he does i will admit i got it completely wrong. but from his basic footballing knowledge i beleive in my OPPINION he wont be good enough.
and i think some people on here need to remember its about OPPINIONS and just because you disagree with me does not mean i am right or you are right so please remember that before the dummy is spit out.
errrrrrm.
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He's been described as a great coach...not a great manager. Completely different. If we were to judge him on 45 minutes, why not the first half when we went 3-0 up? He went to a 4-4-2 and made it work, even though if my memory is right, we played 4-5-1 most of the time under Di Matteo.
As for the argument about us not fighting to keep him, I'd beg to differ. The link was first made over a week ago, seemed pretty nailed on yet he only went yesterday with some press(Admittedly those whose views must be taken with a big pinch of salt) stating that we wanted double the compensation they were offering. Pretty big fight on our part.
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how do you not know?? the lead up to any of the goals could and i beleive WOULD have been prevented if we had 5 in midfield and a more defensive outlook in the 2nd half. we would have kept the ball better and dictated the play. instead west ham come out and got into us while we STILL had 4 in midfield and got over run. 10 minutes into the 2nd half you could see we were getting over run and nothing changed. that for me is naive. i would be dissappointed if that happened on a sunday league game.
as soon as that happened i was 100 sure i did not want him any where near the managers position. And just because hodgson remained with the backroom staff doesnt mean he really wanted him does it? maybe he didnt want to upset the stability at the club and try and keep everything the same? hence why he stayed with 4-5-1 untill this season where he is trying to put his own stamp on the club?
it doesnt matter if its his first game or last, at any level that is shocking to be 3-0 up at half time and not see the game out. tactically he got it wrong remaining with 4-4-2 for another 45 minutes. why did we have to do that? we didnt have to score again.
and this big reputation appleton has got and its "really sad to see him go". it doesnt sound as though weve tried our best to keep him does it? a club has come in and weve let him go. end of.
i am pretty confident he will not make it as a manager. people think oh you cant judge him off 45 minutes. but you can !!!! if my nan was in charge of that game at half time she would of knew what to do.
i just thought it was basic football knowledge and he made a pigs ear of it.
Good Riddance.
Your almost insulting the bloke by bringing your nan into this. It's uncalled for.
We've seen many occasions in the past where teams are defending a lead and they make defensive substitutions to shore up the game. It sometimes doesn't work, Blackburn against Norwich was a prime example the other week. Blackburn defending a two goal lead make some defensive substitutions, change their formation and it invited Norwich onto them. There's no gurantee that changing the formation would have kept us onto the three points.
I repeat, once again. Our failure, wasn't Appleton's tactics. It was our players and their inability to defend set pieces. I've read on the official site Appleton was in charge of how they defend set pieces, and so far, it's been much better than last season.
If I was an employer and I employed you to do a job, if you did it perfectly for 45 hours, and then the machinery let you down for the remaining 45 minutes and I sacked you how would you feel? Would you be happy if I was judging you on the final 45 minutes and not the minutes prior to it? It would be unfair. It's rather pathetic that you can judge someone on the back of 45 minutes.
I'm also sure, that If Hodgson didn't think Appleton was good enough, he would of moved him on and brought in his own coaches. Hodgson wouldn't of kept him, just for the sake of it. Every manager will make mistakes, Hodgson has made a few this season, but the difference is Hodgson has time to correct them. Appleton didn't.
I'm sure the club tried to keep him, haven't they and Appleton ignored numerous offers before Portsmouth came calling? Appleton and the club saw this as a perfect oppurtunity to kick start his managerial career, afterall, he's learnt from a very good coach in Roy and he's also particularly close to Sir Gary Megson and Sir Alex Ferguson so he's certainly got the best people around him, and possibly giving him advice. But, no. You're writing him off after 45 minutes. Unbelieveable.
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Not a great start i read on a Pompy message board
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I think the sensible Pompey fans realise how hard a job he has and many have commented on the dross Cotterill left behind. Others though don't seem prepared to give him a chance purely because he is not the big name they think their club deserve.
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Not a great start i read on a Pompy message board
Yep, looks like the fans who wrote off Appleton based on the West Ham game were right. ;D
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Shame they lost but with a small squad, they carnt expect to be near the top.
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Shame they lost but with a small squad, they carnt expect to be near the top.
The have had a bloody good ride over the last ten years though. They are now back to where they started ten years ago plus the memories of FA Cup win, Europa League etc. Who says it's worth sailing a tight ship.
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He needs a fair run before anybody judges. I think this opportunity has came at the right time for him and ive got my fingers crossed that it will work for him. To expect a huge change in 1 game is silly.
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https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/april/appleton-arrives-at-albion/?fbclid=IwAR0boJ6YgzERcoWKs7DJ3vss3fYnnRTDlMfJU1s4GDXD6ir7Ys3yyBkBMlY (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/april/appleton-arrives-at-albion/?fbclid=IwAR0boJ6YgzERcoWKs7DJ3vss3fYnnRTDlMfJU1s4GDXD6ir7Ys3yyBkBMlY)
Michael Appleton has joined Jimmy Shan’s backroom staff until the end of the season.
The former Albion midfielder, who also held roles including first-team coach and assistant manager at the Club, will link up with first-team staff next week to help prepare the Baggies for this season's finale.
Appleton made 38 appearances in all competitions for the Baggies between January 2001 and May 2004 as injury brought a premature finish to his playing career.
'Appy' began his coaching journey in the Academy at The Hawthorns ahead of a move into the first-team set-up under Roberto Di Matteo.
And now he's back to bolster Albion's push for promotion through the Sky Bet Championship Play-Offs following talks with Jimmy this week.
Caretaker Head Coach Shan said: "To bring somebody in who has the wealth of experience Michael has can only be a huge aid to us.
"We've currently got three grass-based coaches in myself Jamie (Smith) and Steven (Reid).
"Appy is also a fantastic grass coach and he can come out and aid us in that aspect, but I think we can also tap into his wealth of experience, somebody who can come in and maybe look at the game with an emotional attachment, from a different lens.
"He can offer us something different."
Asked about the added positives of having someone already familiar with the club, Shan added: "It's always a massive benefit.
"Obviously with the time-frame as well, we've got 3-4 weeks left so I think it's important.
"I have a good working relationship with him and a good personal relationship. Obviously Steven played under him and Jamie would have worked with him in his time at the Academy.
"So I think it's essential that somebody comes in who we all know and they have a feel and an understanding of the football club."
And Appleton, who has built up his coaching and management experience at Portsmouth, Blackpool, Blackburn Rovers, Oxford United and most recently Leicester City, is delighted to be back to add his input to the Club's promotion challenge.
He said: "Jimmy picked up the phone and asked if I was able to come in and help through a very important time at the club.
"He was keen for me to be there and to tap into myself and my experience of being in big games.
"I know Jimmy, Jamie and Reidy well.
"I spent 10 years at West Bromwich Albion as a player and a coach and I've got fine memories.
"I know a lot of people at the Club and I look forward to getting back and seeing through what will hopefully be a very succesful period over the next month or so."
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good play-offs = Appy Manager !
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I only see the additions of him and Reidy as a good thing having gone down the Shan route
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Meet our next manager. :(
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Meet our next manager. :(
If we stay down then i think he'd be an excellent choice. I've read elsewhere he has a good relationship with Jenkins too from his previous time at the club.
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Meet our next manager. :(
That's my thoughts too. Even if we get promoted then I can see the three being here next year. As always, the cheapest option for Albion. It would have been far better to have invested the money on better players in the January window.
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Good choice with the plays offs looming but as for manager next season I am not so sure.
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Meet our next manager. :(
I did think that myself.
With him openly coming out not long after the DM sacking and stating he wanted the job, it bemuses me a little that he has come in as an assistant.
If he was to become the manager, I wonder what would happen to Shan, surely they cant swap roles.
However without looking that far ahead, its a good appointment and a bit more experience to bring in and help Jimmy.
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I don't see this as a positive at all. I genuinely don't think this will impact our promotion chances either way. It looks like desperation from the board to me.
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Should be our manager.
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Good coach but Reid and Appleton should have been brought in weeks ago, when we had the chance of automatic promotion. This is all on Jenkins if we fail to get promoted as that was his brief.
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Why? Why is the club obsessed with people previously connected with the club. What can he do at this stage without undermining
Shan. Does Brunt approve of this? Bloody fiasco
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Should be our manager.
What has Appleton done to suggest he should be our manager?
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Time will tell. We now have a few guys who know the club really well especially when we were in better shape (in and around the Ashworth time). Also, I think Reid and Appy seem to have 'character' and some bigger game experience (more so than Shan) so it might help in the bigger games to come? Of course, we could end up with the three of them wanting to be head coach too (Shan, Reid and Appy!) but let's stay positive today and hope it works out short and longer term. I do see this as a longer term coaching team now, that is unless we absolutely fall apart from now on..............?
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What has Appleton done to suggest he should be our manager?
I'm with you mate, but it has taken a long time for them to squeeze him back in ,and for no apparent reason, so expect him to stay.
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We get rid of Moore because supposedly Jones was pulling the strings, so then we bring in someone with more experience than Shan.
To me it's an old pal's act with Jenkins and another cheap option.
How far off the bottom of the barrel are we know?
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We have 4-5 games left, what harm can it do? Anything that may be perceived as a help has to be a positive doesn't it, he may only bring one or two ideas to the table but that may be all that is needed. Why knock it just for the sake of it? Lets worry about next season once this ones out the way!!
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Why? Why is the club obsessed with people previously connected with the club. What can he do at this stage without undermining
Shan. Does Brunt approve of this? Bloody fiasco
It does say that it was Shan who contacted him though. Can't see the club insisting on Appy without Shan's consent, but nothing would surprise me with Jenkins.
It does seem strange for him to want someone with a far better CV and genuine ambition to manage the club. Maybe Shan just doesn't want it, long term? Can't say i blame him, he watched what happened to Moore first hand.
If it works, great, can't say I'm not worried that it could be a case of too many cooks though.
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What has Appleton done to suggest he should be our manager?
the players probably like him, he knows the club, and he's cheap - easy really :D
nothing against Appy but for me all those are the wrong reasons - we need a complete change of direction
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It does say that it was Shan who contacted him though. Can't see the club insisting on Appy without Shan's consent, but nothing would surprise me with Jenkins.
It does seem strange for him to want someone with a far better CV and genuine ambition to manage the club. Maybe Shan just doesn't want it, long term? Can't say i blame him, he watched what happened to Moore first hand.
If it works, great, can't say I'm not worried that it could be a case of too many cooks though.
If tat's the case it's groundhog day, as it was Moore who wanted Jones.
I think Appleton is OK for the play offs, but i think most of us realise the significance of the appointment.
The club under Moore wanted to go down the family road.
Well with Appy, Reid and Shan, thats the Albion family.
That is the one that will be here next season.
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I think the 'Albion family' route as you put it could work provided the whole playing squad is overhauled and the board buy-in to a longer term rebuild. They talked this game last summer but didn't walk it and left Moore with the same ageing squad (maybe his choice although we had no DoF for months so Moore was fighting fires with many players wanting out) and loads of short term loans for a quick fix tilt at getting back up.
Most of us I'd say want to see us start a long overdue (strategic) rebuild by saying goodbye the older guys , some who served us well. Fostering some promising kids and signing some fresh guys who see us a good club to be at. Ideally, we;d even have midfielders who can pass and carry the ball again!?
Will Reid, Appy and Shan being the older player's mates help or hinder that process? Or am I thinking more than 3 games ahead which our board don't seem to do these days?
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What has Appleton done to suggest he should be our manager?
He used to kick a ball for us 20 years ago, cheap as chips and will be on first name terms with the senior pros as soon as he comes in.
I’ve never known such a tinpot football club in my life.
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Can't say im inspired by the choice, but as others have said, its not surprising. He's done nothing in a managerial role previously to make me think he could take over the reins here, and be successful. Does smell of a typical cheap job by Albion. Whatever happens at the end of the season this clubs needs a huge shake up from top to bottom. But with the 'Old guard' still running the show I dont hold out much hope.
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Very cheap, very short-term,very Albion.
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Very cheap, very short-term,very Albion.
Who else could we have got to come in as an assistant to a complete novice? Hardly going to attract the likes of Mourinho or Wenger is it?
having committed to Shan for the rest of the season, I'm surprised we've even got someone with Appleton's experience.
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We get rid of Moore because supposedly Jones was pulling the strings, so then we bring in someone with more experience than Shan.
To me it's an old pal's act with Jenkins and another cheap option.
How far off the bottom of the barrel are we know?
Just because you (and others) keep saying this repeatedly does not make it true. Perhaps you can give us real evidence that this was the case.
Bottom of the barrel? Really??
Are we not paying our players a la Bolton?
Have we got the most expensive Championship squad that looks toothless and could have 'done a Wolves'? (Stoke)
Are we one of several clubs facing possible sanctions over our financial affairs?
I think a sense of proportion is needed....
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Christ, more alumni and this one definitely has more experience than Shan, so the next question is who is actually in charge?
This club is almost criminally small time. Sacking Moore only to end up with this shambles is beyond the pale.
NEXT PERMANENT MANAGER MUST NOT HAVE PLAYED OR COACHED AT THE CLUB PREVIOUSLY.
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Who else could we have got to come in as an assistant to a complete novice? Hardly going to attract the likes of Mourinho or Wenger is it?
having committed to Shan for the rest of the season, I'm surprised we've even got someone with Appleton's experience.
Pointless appointment. You are not seeing the bigger picture and the 2 examples listed are ridiculous. There are better candidates out there but the pussy footing around after the sacking of DM was unforgivable. This is just silly. JUst a gesture so that the board can say they tried.
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He's here for a few games guys, to help out. Relax.
It's at the end of the season you want to all start getting your knickers in a knot when it comes to appointing our new head coach. Now that DOES fill me with dread.
Appy helping out Shan - Meh!
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He's here for a few games guys, to help out. Relax.
It's at the end of the season you want to all start getting your knickers in a knot when it comes to appointing our new head coach. Now that DOES fill me with dread.
Appy helping out Shan - Meh!
Exactly, its not a major issue for me. Bring in someone that Shan has worked with before, that he can bounce tactical ideas off. Not likely to have a negative impact and he knows a lot of the players already so maybe can help get the message across to the players
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Or, he comes in, undermining Shan, treating it as a 5 week interview...
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'Too many cooks spoiling the broth' situation coming up.
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Pointless appointment. You are not seeing the bigger picture and the 2 examples listed are ridiculous. There are better candidates out there but the pussy footing around after the sacking of DM was unforgivable. This is just silly. JUst a gesture so that the board can say they tried.
What's the bigger picture then oh wise one? The two names were deliberately silly but who is out there that would have come in to work under Shan?
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I've already stated where it's gone wrong. My point is this is a nothing appointment which could cause more harm than good, oh sarcastic one.
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Appy with this in the short term, given the cock ups, but there can only be one, Jokanovic!
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There's your management line up for next season
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Good luck and welcome back Apps!
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He's here for a few games guys, to help out. Relax.
It's at the end of the season you want to all start getting your knickers in a knot when it comes to appointing our new head coach. Now that DOES fill me with dread.
Appy helping out Shan - Meh!
Darren Moore and James Shan thought they were here for the short term as well.
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Good luck Appy! COYB
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Welcome back Appy!
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I know an ex cage-fighter, from Manchester, who is good friends with Appy. He reckons he knows his way around a ring. He’s got my backing. ;D
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I have never quite understood the antipathy felt by some members of this board toward Appleton but I am perfectly happy with him coming to help out across the next 5 games. I wouldn't be adverse to having back at the club on a full time basis but that is a discussion for another day.
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For anyone how hasn’t read it, the article in the link below is an interesting insight into Appy and is well worth a read
https://www.coachesvoice.com/cut-short-leicester-city-oxford-united-portsmouth-fc-blackpool-blakburn-rovers-west-brom/
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Christ, more alumni and this one definitely has more experience than Shan, so the next question is who is actually in charge?
This club is almost criminally small time. Sacking Moore only to end up with this shambles is beyond the pale.
NEXT PERMANENT MANAGER MUST NOT HAVE PLAYED OR COACHED AT THE CLUB PREVIOUSLY.
THIS entirely. We are embarrassing, Jenkins. And YOU are embarrassing us.
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The more you read about the Albion. WHAT A JOKE CLUB WE ARE. good job when its all over. We wont have to bother next season, hardly have a team to worry about.
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Appy with this in the short term, given the cock ups, but there can only be one, Jokanovic!
I think Jokanovic was already the number one choice to succeed Moore, the club i feel sacked Moore hoping to implement Jokanovic in time for the next game...until he mentioned money.
A quick back pedal, let's see what Wagner thinks. Wagner said he wanted a bit of time out of the game, which translates as don't call me i'll call you.
Oh poo thought the club, Alex Neil is doing well at Preston let's sound him out.
Neil hears we are interested, runs to the Preston chairman and says' quick give me a three year deal for thse tight arses come calling.
The club then announce Shan until the end of the season.
Oh hang on thinks Jenkins, didn't Appleton say he wanted the job when Moore was sacked.
There you go then, welcome back to the club Appy...our number one target all along.
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keep reading fans happy if appy gets the job, god we really would scrape the barrel and deserve to stay down the blokes done nothing would just be another mistake like big dave was...fans and club need to learn
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It always pisses me off to read posts like this one. What’s he done? He’s rolled up his sleeves and done the hard work at some basket case clubs. He did very well at Oxford. He was an assistant at Leicester. He will have learned every step of the way.
What had Chris Wilder done before he got the job at Blades? David Wagner at Huddersfield? Daniel Fackhe at Norwich? Dean Smith before he joined Villa?
It is of no interest to me that Appleton spent time here. The only thing that matters is whether he is right for the job. He’s not my first choice, but he’d be in my top 5. He is young, hungry, experienced and highly regarded in the game. He wants the job. He is ideal for the job if we are in the Championship next season. He is far less ideal if we go up.
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It always pisses me off to read posts like this one. What’s he done? He’s rolled up his sleeves and done the hard work at some basket case clubs. He did very well at Oxford. He was an assistant at Leicester. He will have learned every step of the way.
What had Chris Wilder done before he got the job at Blades? David Wagner at Huddersfield? Daniel Fackhe at Norwich? Dean Smith before he joined Villa?
It is of no interest to me that Appleton spent time here. The only thing that matters is whether he is right for the job. He’s not my first choice, but he’d be in my top 5. He is young, hungry, experienced and highly regarded in the game. He wants the job. He is ideal for the job if we are in the Championship next season. He is far less ideal if we go up.
And it always pisses me off reading posts like this. He would not be on the radar of either us fans or the club hierarchy were it not for his links to WBA and people working at the club. He wouldn't be on the radar of any other club who had spent 8 of the last 9 years in the Premier League. Everytime he's managed in the Championship he's been relegated or sacked. His tenures include 65 days at Blackpool and 67 days at Blackburn (where concerningly he worked with Dowling - jobs for the boys?). His Championship win percentage is incredibly low: low 20s.
How anyone can consider this a decent or in your words ideal candidate I have no idea.
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It always pisses me off to read posts like this one. What’s he done? He’s rolled up his sleeves and done the hard work at some basket case clubs. He did very well at Oxford. He was an assistant at Leicester. He will have learned every step of the way.
What had Chris Wilder done before he got the job at Blades? David Wagner at Huddersfield? Daniel Fackhe at Norwich? Dean Smith before he joined Villa?
It is of no interest to me that Appleton spent time here. The only thing that matters is whether he is right for the job. He’s not my first choice, but he’d be in my top 5. He is young, hungry, experienced and highly regarded in the game. He wants the job. He is ideal for the job if we are in the Championship next season. He is far less ideal if we go up.
Chris Wilder did well at both Oxford and Northampton before he went to Sheffield United and the other two both did decent jobs at Borussia Dortmund reserves.
I do feel the same about Appleton, after his brief stays at a couple of clubs which both seemed to be a poisoned chalice he seemed to get himself a reputation at Oxford and then got some good experience at Leicester. I think the concern for many, me included is that its a cheap option and if not for the Albion connection like Derek McInnes would he ever be mentioned as a possible manager at The Hawthorns and to be honest I don't think he would, he seems to have gone from maybe becoming manager at Hibs to being a runner and rider at QPR to now being expected by many, me included again to be our next permanent manager.
If we don't go up then he should be considered along with any other applicant or anyone we are interested in but not given the job because he used to play for us and has a connection to the club. If he is the best applicant then give him the job but sound out others as well.
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I'm pretty ambivalent about this, why? I still believe that the club are waiting for Wagner to be available following his gardening leave.
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I'm pretty ambivalent about this, why? I still believe that the club are waiting for Wagner to be available following his gardening leave.
Not seen anything from Wagner other than he works on a shoestring to suggest he is anything special. The next manager we appoint really concerns me as I get the impression cost will be more important than quality of the person, not suggesting we blow a fortune on someone by any means but if we have to pay a little bit more for the right man then I hope we do that rather than settle for second best.
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Not seen anything from Wagner other than he works on a shoestring to suggest he is anything special. The next manager we appoint really concerns me as I get the impression cost will be more important than quality of the person, not suggesting we blow a fortune on someone by any means but if we have to pay a little bit more for the right man then I hope we do that rather than settle for second best.
I have a niggling feeling that next season
Prem AVB
champ. monk
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I have a niggling feeling that next season
Prem AVB
champ. monk
You need to see a doctor and get that niggle sorted :D
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You need to see a doctor and get that niggle sorted :D
You don't see it then 😀
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Can we please bury the phrase "cheap option". We spent an absolute fortune on Pardew I am not sure how we could have made a worse or more expensive appointment. The amount of money we are prepared to lavish on the Head Coach has very little to do with the quality of the appointment. The only value is that somehow fans feel better about the club spending a bunch of money on a coach.
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Can we please bury the phrase "cheap option". We spent an absolute fortune on Pardew I am not sure how we could have made a worse or more expensive appointment. The amount of money we are prepared to lavish on the Head Coach has very little to do with the quality of the appointment. The only value is that somehow fans feel better about the club spending a bunch of money on a coach.
Have to say, I have some sympathy with this argument.
It really depends on what DNA the football club wants to adopt next season.
A coaching team of Appleton, Reid & Shan would represent evolution & be relatively inexpensive, on the other hand Jokanovic or someone similar would probably mean revolution & be very expensive.
Neither option gives a guarantee of success.
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I like the model of promoting from within as long as you make sure somebody is there and ready to step in. If they want that to be our strategy then just come out and say it so everytime there is a vacancy you know that is what will happen and it manages expectations.
Personally I think Jimmy Shan has done a fantastic job. 19 points from 9 games. Automatic promotion form whilst we haven't needed to really go out and win a game during his tenure and whilst resting players. It also isn't his squad.
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Welcome back Appy, all of the very best and COYB 8) .
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I don't see Appleton as a stand-out candidate for managing in the Prem given his track record to date.
But where we are now, I can't see the harm bringing him in to help out for a few matches.
Shan is very inexperienced and having an extra 'sounding board' will be useful in the matches ahead, as long as he doesn't get in the way or go off on an ego trip. I doubt that will be the case, as he is obviously well known at the club. There's not many who would come in at short notice to work on this basis, and certainly none of the big names.
I'm sure Appleton will see it as a chance to get his foot in the door. You couldn't blame him. The club need to keep their options open for next season. Personally, I think there are far better options out there than Appleton, but those are not going to be available until we know which division we will be in.
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I don't see Appleton as a stand-out candidate for managing in the Prem given his track record to date.
But where we are now, I can't see the harm bringing him in to help out for a few matches.
Shan is very inexperienced and having an extra 'sounding board' will be useful in the matches ahead, as long as he doesn't get in the way or go off on an ego trip. I doubt that will be the case, as he is obviously well known at the club. There's not many who would come in at short notice to work on this basis, and certainly none of the big names.
I'm sure Appleton will see it as a chance to get his foot in the door. You couldn't blame him. The club need to keep their options open for next season. Personally, I think there are far better options out there than Appleton, but those are not going to be available until we know which division we will be in.
Appleton shouldn’t be a long term option, but hopefully he can give some players a kick up the backside. Otherwise I don’t think we can compete with the intensity Villa or Leeds will bring, you can count on one hand the amount of times we’ve shown real spirit this season.
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New u23’s manager, that’s some appointment that! :o
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Think that's a great appointment. To get someone with that level of experience for the under 23's....not sure he would have taken the role at another club?
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Think that's a great appointment. To get someone with that level of experience for the under 23's....not sure he would have taken the role at another club?
Hes probably realised that it’s the best chance he’s got of getting the main gig.
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Superb appointment for that level really. Nice to see the infrastructure starting to be rebuilt after a summer of decimation in that respect.
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Welcome home!
Very pleased with this appointment. Well done to all concerned!
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Very clever/shewed appointment for both club
& M. A.
M. A will get to see a Top manager at work while the club have a stand in ready for the enevertable loss of our manager to a top 4 club.
welcome home M. A
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Very clever/shewed appointment for both club
& M. A.
M. A will get to see a Top manager at work while the club have a stand in ready for the enevertable loss of our manager to a top 4 club.
welcome home M. A
Brilliant appointment and great to have him back but seriously can’t see a top 4 team in this country taking Bilic or did you mean a top 4 championship team? Or were you just having a joke ;)
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Quite a big appointment for an under 23s role.
As others have said, it’s probably his best chance of working his way up to the main job.
Welcome home, again.
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Welcome back Appy, all of the very best and COYB 8) .
Welcome back Appy, again ;D .
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It's a great appointment for Under 23's gaffer, but part of me worries that he's being put there as insurance - just in case Dowling and Jenkins annoy Bilic enough that he quits, we've got a ready-made replacement.
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Help me to understand why this is such a great appointment. I assure you I am not being rude, sarcastic or negative in any way. I do however recall the almost universal disapproval when it was felt he was going to be our next first team gaffer a few short months ago. Surely the U23 side is a key development area for the first team, hence the question.
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Delighted by the appointment because i dont think there has ever been any doubts about Appletons coaching ability, he is known to be a good coach and working with the under 23's is what thats about, coaching and developing without all the transfer side, media, etc.
My only concern would be i think he has been quite vocal about wanting to a first team manager again and so i am not sure if this would be classed as a long term appointment.
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Help me to understand why this is such a great appointment. I assure you I am not being rude, sarcastic or negative in any way. I do however recall the almost universal disapproval when it was felt he was going to be our next first team gaffer a few short months ago. Surely the U23 side is a key development area for the first team, hence the question.
very, very different role.
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Brilliant appointment and great to have him back but seriously can’t see a top 4 team in this country taking Bilic or did you mean a top 4 championship team? Or were you just having a joke ;)
Not being funny at all,Slav is a manager with great potenial its just a shame you dont see that in him.
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Not being funny at all,Slav is a manager with great potenial its just a shame you dont see that in him.
I don’t want to get sidetracked on the Appleton thread but I rate Bilic and apart from Roy is our best manager for 20 years maybe more (imo) but let’s be sensible he’s very very unlikely to manage a top 4 team in this country.
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what ever way he can i think he just wants the albion job.
i just hope he never gets it. hes fine at u23 level but no where near first team.
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I have never been impressed with him as a manager/coach. I fear as some have said he is here merely for if/when Bilic goes so we don't have to spend money looking for another coach. Deja vu. We learn nothing.
Sorry but MA in charge of the U 23's does not excite me at all.
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Playing devils advocate, has it crossed anyones mind that the club do not intend to sign the four players Bilic wants, and fear he may walk?
Who shall we appoint then?
Oh, hang on, i know.
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You just have to smile to yourself when conspiracy theories are put forward when the club, in all good faith, make an appointment :)
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Playing devils advocate, has it crossed anyones mind that the club do not intend to sign the four players Bilic wants, and fear he may walk?
Who shall we appoint then?
Oh, hang on, i know.
Not a chance of this happening...… I hope :o
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Playing devils advocate, has it crossed anyones mind that the club do not intend to sign the four players Bilic wants, and fear he may walk?
Who shall we appoint then?
Oh, hang on, i know.
Said this 24 hours ago on the other thread.
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This is an insurance job if ever I saw one.
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I believe the club warmed to him initially because of his "can do" character.
While the U23 & junior coaches were technically excellent, perhaps MA has been brought in to install a "winning" character ethos to the junior players.
Perhaps, for example, that's what's missing with Sam Field
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Im not buying the Appleton is 'here to takeover' talk in here.
Just think he was a great guy to bring in for the position.....all the restructuring and they must think he was perfect for the job
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Im not buying the Appleton is 'here to takeover' talk in here.
Just think he was a great guy to bring in for the position.....all the restructuring and they must think he was perfect for the job
and he's a fall back option if it all goes Pete Tong with Slaven
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I’m sure we feel like we owe this guy a living.
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Looks like Appy may be on his way out ...
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1000944886?-11200:789
"West Bromwich Albion U23 coach Michael Appleton is the overwhelming favourite to take over at Lincoln City."
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I am a little disappointed with this. Obviously Appleton is ambitious and is not going to turn down a decent opportunity to be a Manager at first team level. Yet he has only just taken the Under 23 role and while you could argue that clubs are quick to fire coaches therefore they don't owe teams much loyalty at under 23 level that is not the case and committing to do the job for a least a couple of seasons is not too unreasonable of an expectation.
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I am a little disappointed with this. Obviously Appleton is ambitious and is not going to turn down a decent opportunity to be a Manager at first team level. Yet he has only just taken the Under 23 role and while you could argue that clubs are quick to fire coaches therefore they don't owe teams much loyalty at under 23 level that is not the case and committing to do the job for a least a couple of seasons is not too unreasonable of an expectation.
Everyone should take the chances that are presented throughout life.
He's no different.
Don't blame him.
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It seems if he was going to be so quick to leave perhaps the club would've recognised that and opted for somebody else. We'll see though i guess.
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Let’s have a sweepstake on when he will come back next and what role he will take up with the club.
2021 - head of tea making or some other made up role because we think owe the chap a livliehood
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Whilst he's no world beater, he is too good to be an U23 coach, and that should have been recognised when he was offered the job. We probably thought it was too good an opportunity to turn up despite the risk of him being head-hunted.
Next bloke should be long term though, we need some consistency running the academy after all the recent upheaval.
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I don't begrudge the guy a better job or owt, but this sticks in the throat a bit, being so short-lived.
If he goes, then fine, but I hope we won't be taking him back again if/when it all goes pear shaped for him.
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Get ready for the return of Jimmy Shan
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Get ready for the return of Jimmy Shan
I really do hope so
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I don't begrudge the guy a better job or owt, but this sticks in the throat a bit, being so short-lived.
If he goes, then fine, but I hope we won't be taking him back again if/when it all goes pear shaped for him.
As Dudley Moore sang... Now is the time to say goodbye
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I think the appointment of Appleton was a deliberate effort to appoint a coach with extensive first team experience to help bridge the gap between youth and first team football. As such I would be surprised to see Shan or another coach whose experience is primarily based in youth football appointed if as looks likely that Appleton leaves.
Update Appleton appointed by Lincoln City according to John Percy on Twitter.
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Confirmed, he's been appointed manager of Lincoln City.
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/september2/appleton-appointed-lincoln-boss/
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Good Luck Michael
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See you again soon Appy!
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I hope you have great success with LCFC apps, cannot help thinking its a poisened chalice though
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I do wish him all the best but had hoped to get at least a year out of him with our U23 squad.
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I wished him luck and it was meant sincerely.
But Michael doesn’t have the best track record for his decision making in accepting a Head Coach/Managerial role
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John Percy just Tweeted
Breaking: Michael Appleton to leave #LincolnCity after Saturday’s match against Crewe. Appleton to part company by mutual consent, after nearly 3 years in charge. Will be a great appointment for a club this summer.
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Lots of people say he is a great coach but his achievements are fairly shallow and while I like him this season has given me doubts. His next appointment will be another 6-7000 attendance football league side.