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Mr program Dave Bowler
« on: July 16, 2019, 02:52:12 PM »
Lots of reports that Dave will no longer be writing the program with much of speculation about why!

Some iffy stuff seems to be going on at the club ATM

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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2019, 02:57:25 PM »
Not being rude BUT ......


I couldn't give a fig about Bowler or the programme or anything else that detracts from the fact that WE NEED QUALITY PLAYERS BROUGHT IN - NOW!

I'm about as patient a fan as it gets (maybe) but even I'm getting inebriated off now.

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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2019, 03:17:50 PM »
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/15/award-winning-programme-editor-exits-west-brom/

An interesting but alarming comment posted here by someone. Whether it is true or not who knows but something is not right at the club at present.

The most despicable departure so far...for those who don't know, an Albion genius.
Dave Bowler has transformed our match day programme (launched in 1905 at a point when we were on the brink of going bust) in to the best in Britain. I have known about his shocking redundancy for some time and find it odd that the Express & Star has only just caught up with the fact.

Here is another piece of advance news: our new manager has already talked of quitting and taking his management team with him. Specific promises were made by the incompetent dolt of a 'Technical and Sporting Director' Luke Dowling, none of which were fulfilled. I thought Nicky Hammond was bad - which he was. But what is going on behind the scenes with this guy is beyond belief. His oafish behaviour, bad language towards parents of promising youngsters and rank stupidity in dealing with both agents and players makes me feel he needs help. He does not seem to remember what he's actually said from one day to the next. For those optimistic Baggies, oh how much I admire you. But any member of staff who cares about WBA and our fans, has knowledge of our history, shows initiative, works hard and has bags of talent, is treated as The Enemy.

There is one man who is linked to our appalling record of recruitment like Dowling. He's also the reason for many departures of top men and women. He's still sitting there as Chief Executive Officer. There is a malevolence like a cancer eating away at the heart of our beloved club and nothing is going to improve until it is urgently treated with invasive surgery. Either that, or it will kill West Bromwich Albion.
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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2019, 03:20:02 PM »
Not being rude BUT ......


I couldn't give a fig about Bowler or the programme or anything else that detracts from the fact that WE NEED QUALITY PLAYERS BROUGHT IN - NOW!

I'm about as patient a fan as it gets (maybe) but even I'm getting inebriated off now.

I think you are being rude.

It appears that a significant number of people are 'leaving' the club right now.  Whether that is for nefarious reasons, or just natural churn, I don't know for sure, but I know which I suspect.  People like Dave Bowler are the very beating heart of the football club.  If they leave the gap is very hard to fill.  The character of the club is diminished.  Dave was the guardian of the clubs history and leading the Albion Archive project.  I remember that Jenkins was against the project at it's inception too.  Didn't see the point in archiving and maintaining the club's history.  There was no money in it.  Just romantic memories of past glories that he can be measured against.

I suspect the plan is that the Programme will now wither away to a webpage over the next few years.

This is another black mark against Jenkins name.

Of course, failing to fund the right players, at the right time is a fundamental and annual disappointment at West Brom.  The only results that matter to Jenkins are in his spreadsheets.

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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2019, 03:24:53 PM »
Not being rude BUT ......


I couldn't give a fig about Bowler or the programme or anything else that detracts from the fact that WE NEED QUALITY PLAYERS BROUGHT IN - NOW!

I'm about as patient a fan as it gets (maybe) but even I'm getting inebriated off now.

I think you have missed the point my friend, Bowler is being seen as part of a much wider and deeper malaise that seems to be spreading through the club.
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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2019, 04:16:41 PM »
Not being rude BUT ......


I couldn't give a fig about Bowler or the programme or anything else that detracts from the fact that WE NEED QUALITY PLAYERS BROUGHT IN - NOW!

I'm about as patient a fan as it gets (maybe) but even I'm getting inebriated off now.

I think you are being rude. you need to look at the bigger picture in terms of how many staff are leaving the club currently and why.

and as to your comment being very patient i would disagree as you were constantly complaining how long it was taking to appoint a manager and we made a very good decision in the end in my opinion.

we didnt sign Barnes on loan last season until the end of july and Gayle didnt join until after the first week of August.

we need patience.

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2019, 04:43:07 PM »
I've never met Dave Bowler but I've got a huge amount of respect for both the depth of his Albion knowledge and the dedication he's displayed over the years. Being so heavily involved with the programme and all things Albion must be a very time consuming and immersive experience and he hasn't won award after award for nothing. I just hope he's O.K health wise and hasn't been chopped as part of some grand behind the scenes cull by soulless w@nkers with no idea of what it actually means to acknowledge our traditions, respect the club and it's supporters. All of the very best Mr Bowler.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2019, 04:53:38 PM »
I think you are being rude. you need to look at the bigger picture in terms of how many staff are leaving the club currently and why.

and as to your comment being very patient i would disagree as you were constantly complaining how long it was taking to appoint a manager and we made a very good decision in the end in my opinion.

we didnt sign Barnes on loan last season until the end of july and Gayle didnt join until after the first week of August.

we need patience.
The window shuts much earlier this year, something like 23 days left so Barnes was here at least 30 days before end of window , and Gayle would have had about 3 weeks before window shut a point we have just about reached
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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2019, 07:03:53 PM »
I don’t personally know if we can connect this news with other worrying news from the club. Perhaps someone should come out and say why Bowler has been released. It may be of his own volition. We just don’t know, and sadly we are unlikely to find out under this regime.

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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2019, 07:08:04 PM »
I think its a big loss to the club not only for his contribution to the programme but he was also the man behind the idea for the Albion caps and also I believe for the Albion memorabilia they are trying to get an online record of.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2019, 07:13:11 PM »
I think its a big loss to the club not only for his contribution to the programme but he was also the man behind the idea for the Albion caps and also I believe for the Albion memorabilia they are trying to get an online record of.

So in other words, this man helped bring a better sense of culture and nostalgia to the club.

Big loss really because when you think of it, memories etc are what make a football club - without being too sentimental.

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2019, 07:25:03 PM »
There is no doubting the excellent work that Bowler has brought to the Albion over the last few years. The Albion memorabilia and Albion caps have been a fantastic addition in recognising Albion players previously who have gone unnoticed. This club should have done more to recognise players who have given us great service.

More worryingly, someone who is undoubtedly embedded in Albion tapestry is now longer involved. He follows a long line this summer of those who have engraved themselves in our colours over the last few decades and have brought undoubted success in rebuilding this great clubs infrastructure but now find themselves on the scrapheap.

Losing those who embody the greatness of your club should provide concern to all.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2019, 07:30:17 PM »
When I left the club yesterday I went past John Homer who I wouldnt call a good friend but we always say hello to each other but he just walked past me to his car which I never really thought to much about until you think about all the good staff that are leaving. They couldn't could they!!
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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2019, 09:32:36 PM »
So we couldn’t afford Gayle to protect the staff and then made a guy who has dedicated his life to the club redundant? Just goes to show how much pooh the DOF talks.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2019, 10:05:16 PM »
So we couldn’t afford Gayle to protect the staff and then made a guy who has dedicated his life to the club redundant? Just goes to show how much rubbish the DOF talks.
As it been confirmed redundancy...people have mentioned it but no one has confirmed it..
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2019, 10:30:37 PM »
The Albion News twitter page reads to me as if Dave was looking forward to doing this season's programme.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wbafcprogramme?lang=en

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2019, 11:45:10 PM »
The Albion News twitter page reads to me as if Dave was looking forward to doing this season's programme.

https://mobile.twitter.com/wbafcprogramme?lang=en
Maybe,and of course no one wants anybody to go through redundancy

But
There are plenty bleating about it when
1) not one person has/can confirm it is redundancy
2) most of those bleating had no idea who he was till it was put on Twitter that he was leaving

This close season has seen so many Albion “fans” go over the top at the slightest thing
The ones that moan non stop about dowling and Jenkins...all turn to salute “Slav” as Corberan...well who appointed him ?

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2019, 05:42:54 AM »
When I left the club yesterday I went past John Homer who I wouldnt call a good friend but we always say hello to each other but he just walked past me to his car which I never really thought to much about until you think about all the good staff that are leaving. They couldn't could they!!

If he or Alan Cleverly leave we riot.

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2019, 06:29:14 AM »
If he or Alan Cleverly leave we riot.

Don't understand this.
Am I wrong in thinking that Homer and Cleverly are in unpaid positions?
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2019, 07:41:26 AM »
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Don't understand this.
Am I wrong in thinking that Homer and Cleverly are in unpaid positions?

Even so, if they choose to 'stand down' from their positions as a statement of unhappiness with how things are going (assuming they are in a position of more knowledge than the rest of us) then that would be very telling indeed.

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2019, 09:32:44 AM »
A long read and I have highlighted the Dave Bowler part at the end

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/16/comment-next-three-weeks-could-define-the-coming-years-for-west-brom/

Comment: Next three weeks could define the coming years for West Brom

By Matt Wilson | West Bromwich Albion | Published: 7 hours ago | Last
Updated: 6 hours ago

It’s not an exaggeration to say the next three weeks could define the
future of Albion for years to come.

https://www.expressandstar.com/resizer/fVfQv8m-u2e_GOyilXYm9qrzcj8=/1000x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-expressandstar-mna.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZNUEWRLCKZHOTM7BJA7QGALLXI.jpg
Slaven Bilic and technical director Luke Dowling. (AMA)

The Baggies are currently at the bottom of their rebuild, and following
a summer of cultural changes behind the scenes and some pointed comments
from Slaven Bilic, the pressure is on those in charge to deliver.

Albion have more money now than they are likely to ever have again in
the Championship while absent owner Guochuan Lai, who is both unable and
unwilling to invest, remains in charge.

On top of the £34.8million received for their second year of parachute
payments, the club has sold Craig Dawson for around £6m, (although
Rochdale have received some of that), Jay Rodriguez for £10m, and
Salomon Rondon for an undisclosed but significant fee.

Teenage sensation Morgan Rogers has also been snapped up by Manchester
City for a compensation package believed to be in the region of £4m.

Next year, the final instalment of parachute payments falls to £15.5m,
so it would require some bumper sales to give them a similar kitty.

Barring a bid that makes them sit up and take notice, Rondon’s move to
China is likely to be the end of Albion’s outgoings.

There is hope the likes of Ahmed Hegazi, Matt Phillips, Kieran Gibbs and
Jake Livermore will all stay.

But those players desperately need team-mates. Now Albion know their
budget, they must spring into action and rebuild the squad. With just
over three weeks left, there’s work to do.

Bilic himself said as much after the 3-0 defeat to Villarreal telling
the Express & Star it was 'crucial' to make signings this week.. How much
we read into his statement is up for debate.

Having only brought in Filip Krovinovic on a season-long loan from
Benfica, Bilic is obviously frustrated at the lack of additions so far,
a feeling shared by the board, but no doubt inflated by a limp
performance in the Spanish sun.

Albion’s new boss was animated on the Benidorm touchline, and appeared
unhappy with the first impressions his team had given more than 1,000
travelling Baggies.

Shooting from the hip is exactly what fans hoped Bilic would do, and
having lost a dozen players and signed just one, he wasn’t saying
anything supporters didn’t already know.

But two weeks in is rather early on in a manager’s tenure to be putting
pressure on those above. Signings are needed before the weekend or that
frustration may grow into tension.

However, following Rondon’s exit to China, offers have now started to go
out for players.

The incomings should now be forthcoming and Bilic was believed to be in
a better mood at the training ground today.

The reason behind the wait is the board wanted to know their budget
before going to market – knowing what combination of players would leave
allows them to enact Plan A, Plan B, or Plan C.

This is a potentially risky strategy, because clubs now know Albion are
cash rich, and may not be willing to sell once the deadline draws near
if they themselves can’t get replacements in.

But the middle of the window is no time to judge business; in fact
history tells us even the end of the window is too soon.

Albion were criticised after their summer business in 2016 and spent
most of the season in eighth. In 2017, they were heralded as having the
shrewdest summer in the Premier League and were subsequently relegated.

We can't truly judge this window until six or twelve months down the line.

The Baggies were always due to rebuild their squad this summer, but what
many didn’t envisage was the facelift the academy would need.

Academy manager Mark Harrison is leaving after 14 years to join rivals
Aston Villa, while coaches Jimmy Shan and Mike Scott are also on their
way out after more than a decade.

These exits are taking place against a backdrop of cultural changes
behind the scenes.

Technical director Luke Dowling has told academy players and staff to
enter the training ground through a different door around the side of
the building, and set up a second canteen in the press room for them to use..

He's planning to publicly explain the reason behind his changes once the
window shuts, but it's believed he doesn’t want teenagers thinking
they’ve made it prematurely and separating the first team gives the
youngsters something to work towards.

Other clubs operate similarly, and the close proximity between academy
players and the first team has surprised players, including former
skipper Darren Fletcher.

Thanks to the money now given to players on their first professional
contracts, there were concerns last season that some of Albion’s most
promising youngsters were getting ahead of themselves.

There are pros and cons to separating the two, but while it may be a
sensible approach to the players, staff are also required to use the
back entrance and the new canteen.

Some senior members of academy staff are known to be unhappy with the
changes, and it is risky to alienate those who have helped scout and
produce a celebrated conveyor belt of talent.

Albion had more England youth internationals than Liverpool or
Manchester United last season, after all.

Harrison and Scott may have left for better jobs, but it is crucial the
academy continues to receive support.

It is starting to bear fruit, with Rekeem Harper breaking into the first
team last season, others on the fringes, and a strong batch of
youngsters behind them.

It can also be a safety net for a club under an owner who won’t invest
if promotion isn’t achieved.

For many romantics, there was excitement brewing at the potential of
several home-grown locals in the first team in the next few years. That
chance is not lost yet, but it needs to be preserved.

This week, it was also revealed award-winning programme editor Dave
Bowler is leaving the club after 19 years.

It was not his decision, and even though Albion will still produce a
programme next season and Bowler will be a contributor, his extensive
writing on the Baggies will be a loss.

Although the programme was still making a profit, the decline of print
media is an issue many are struggling with.

But Bowler's unrivalled historical knowledge of the club also helped
spark a series of archive projects.

Hopefully they remain because Albion is a club steeped in a history that
deserves to be remembered.

Supporters were prepared to lose the likes of Dawson, Rodriguez, and
Rondon this summer, because players and managers come and go. It’s part
of the deal.

But Albion’s financial downsizing is also affecting other areas of the
club, areas that have been celebrated over the years.

There was always going to be pressure on this summer’s business, because
it is the club's last great chance to set themselves up for the next few
years.

But these changes have added to the pressure of making the first team a
success. The next three weeks could define both Albion’s immediate and
long-term future.
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Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2019, 09:51:07 AM »
When I left the club yesterday I went past John Homer who I wouldnt call a good friend but we always say hello to each other but he just walked past me to his car which I never really thought to much about until you think about all the good staff that are leaving. They couldn't could they!!
I rang  John Homer this morning he is a mate of mine, and he said he hasn't been up the ground he as been at work and he would never ignore anyone. It may just be a case of mistaken identity.

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2019, 10:24:57 AM »
A long read and I have highlighted the Dave Bowler part at the end......This week, it was also revealed award-winning programme editor Dave
Bowler is leaving the club after 19 years. It was not his decision.....Albion is a club steeped in a history that deserves to be remembered.

Supporters were prepared to lose the likes of Dawson, Rodriguez, and
Rondon this summer, because players and managers come and go. It’s part
of the deal.

But Albion’s financial downsizing is also affecting other areas of the
club, areas that have been celebrated over the years.

There was always going to be pressure on this summer’s business, because
it is the club's last great chance to set themselves up for the next few
years.

But these changes have added to the pressure of making the first team a
success. The next three weeks could define both Albion’s immediate and
long-term future.


I wonder how long it'll be before the former players association begins to feel the pinch again........
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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2019, 01:56:13 PM »
I wonder how long it'll be before the former players association begins to feel the pinch again........

Yes, I remember a few years ago, all ex-players, on match days, were advised that they had to buy an entrance ticket
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2019, 04:56:42 PM »
I normally buy the programmes, but was contemplating knocking it on the head this year. They are terrific, but an added expense every home game. I won't be buying them now.

Of course, that's just playing into their hands, but I'm not paying nearly £4 if it's not going to be as good.