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John Percy†@JPercyTelegraph
West Brom have agreed a £7m fee with Arsenal for Kieran Gibbs. Medical likely to be later today #wba #afc
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West Brom have agreed a £7m fee with Arsenal for Kieran Gibbs. Medical likely to be later today #wba #afc
Tweeted by John Percy†from the Telegraph
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TP moves in mysterious ways..... if true then nice one!!
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Excellent news!
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John Percy†@JPercyTelegraph
West Brom have agreed a £7m fee with Arsenal for Kieran Gibbs. Medical likely to be later today #wba #afc
Oh yes please!
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Pulis likes to play centre-halves at full back to keep the back line narrow. If he does play full backs, he only picks one at a time.
If Gibbs comes, Nyom will drop out.
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Fantastic news
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Think he will be a good signing. He will not be as exposed at left back consindering our midfielders also track back.
Also read on twitter, pulis first pulled out of the deal was because of the fee not the character references. Moving in the right direction albion - bring it on!!
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Was never really bothered about having a natural left back.
Gibbs is a decent player though and gives us a different option.
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I think we've only gone back in for him because other targets are failing and Arsenal have reduced the price.
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John Percy†@JPercyTelegraph
West Brom have agreed a £7m fee with Arsenal for Kieran Gibbs. Medical likely to be later today #wba #afc
That would be a very good deal in today's market.
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Interesting this, rumours that Pulis didn't like Gibbs' character reference previously but the only direct quotes I have found are related to the original price quoted by Arsenal being too high.
I am surprised if his deal with Watford fell through because of personal terms that we are willing to match them but perhaps we have decided we can afford it with the seemingly low transfer fee of £7m.
Finally, FallOutBoy makes a good point re Pulis and centre halves at full back, will be interesting to see if Gibbs and Nyom do start together.
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Nyom playing well back at rb, Gibbs in at left back. If Evans stays he comes in (or his replacement) and then that leaves Dawson /mccauley and hegazi fighting for one spot???
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would this take us to four fully capped england players in the squad ?
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I think we've only gone back in for him because other targets are failing and Arsenal have reduced the price.
do we know this or is it a guess?
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Pulis likes to play centre-halves at full back to keep the back line narrow. If he does play full backs, he only picks one at a time.
If Gibbs comes, Nyom will drop out.
or Nyom will continue to play in his preferred position at right back. Brunt plays as a left back and Pulis plays both.
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I'm sure Nyom has played centre half on occasions so I'm sure they couldn't play in the same back line under Pulis. Nyom was great against Stoke so I don't see him being dropped yet.
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Not a great signing. Would be better to spend that money on a striker. We already have many players that can fill in at left back
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Nyom playing well back at rb, Gibbs in at left back. If Evans stays he comes in (or his replacement) and then that leaves Dawson /mccauley and hegazi fighting for one spot???
where does brunt get a start
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He obviously wanted Wimmer to cover left back i think skyclad. As he said when in Hong Kong, we are out of this deal, but we expect a few in by the time we get back to the uk. The few didn't happen, and we've gone back in for Gibbs at a lower price.
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where does brunt get a start
He doesn't. It will mean we have better quality options from the bench.
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He obviously wanted Wimmer to cover left back i think skyclad. As he said when in Hong Kong, we are out of this deal, but we expect a few in by the time we get back to the uk. The few didn't happen, and we've gone back in for Gibbs at a lower price.
I see you logic there.... sounds about right.
You will see from my posts I was never a fan of Wimmer, so with Arsenal lowering their price and Sparky taking one for our team, its turned out nice again!!!
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Would be pretty happy about this. If we keep Evans then it means our defence is sorted and looking very strong.
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Dont really rate Gibbs personally.
Perhaps the change will do him good though?
If he joins he gets my full support either way
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Wimmer for 18 to be converted into a LB? Or Gibbs a natural LB for 7 i know who i would choose.
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He doesn't. It will mean we have better quality options from the bench.
But no one delivers a deadball better than Brunt...
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He doesn't. It will mean we have better quality options from the bench.
i am sure Jacko will find him a position in his pre match lineup
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I'd play Brunt in goal just to have him available for set pieces :P
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i am sure Jacko will find him a position in his pre match lineup
Perhaps and then you will renew your season ticket ;D
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Brunt's set pieces aren't all that. When was the last free kick he scored? Phillips corners are better too.
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But no one delivers a deadball better than Brunt...
Brunt's dead balls have been very inconsistent for a couple of seasons though, the majority I would say don't hit a target. His deadballs on Sunday were very poor.
Phillips is pretty similar too but had a better assist record last season.
I appreciate what Brunt has done for the club but he is coming to the end of a very good career with us.
Gibbs is younger and has some pace and, crucially for me, he is a proper left back.
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Gibbs has a good disciplinary record too 14 yellow and 1 red in 137 games, should be able to see out a season without a ban.
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Good value at the reported price, but doesn't really seem like a Pulis type of player....
Will be interesting to see how the signing pans out (if it happens).
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Yea I won't mind having Brunt on the bench depending on the situation. Gibbs I don't think is know for his defense but he should be better than Brunt on that end.
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He has a good pedigree, and you never know, Pulis could drill him into becoming a better defensive full back.
Like Nyom, he has the pace to get himself out of trouble. Happy with this signing.
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Never particularly rated him, but would hope he proves me wrong if we did get him.
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Smacks of a panic buy. Definitely not a Pulis type player.
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Brunt's set pieces aren't all that. When was the last free kick he scored? Phillips corners are better too.
virtually every corner he took on sunday went past the far post so i tend to agree
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Hopefully will bolster the left hand side. I think it was pretty clear that most of our attacks stemmed from on the right with Nyom and Phillips against Stoke. This will hopefully balance us a bit more. Brunt for all his set piece quality isn't going to be bombing up and down like Nyom does and putting crosses into the box.
Smacks of a panic buy. Definitely not a Pulis type player.
I think we were probably waiting for other business to be done before we pursued it further. Maybe Wimmer going to Stoke meant that they didn't want Gibbs too? Maybe Watford are pursuing someone else? I think £7 million is pretty good business considering some of the fees we've seen. If anything we've lowered the price from what was initially reported, which could also be why we waited a bit longer.
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Perhaps and then you will renew your season ticket ;D
i am still happy with my decision. armchair/most awaydays . obviously politically i cant make a decision
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Smacks of a panic buy. Definitely not a Pulis type player.
Panic buy..yeah right.. English international from a top club...I'd like more panic buys like this and not histerical comments based solely on anti TP agendas !
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virtually every corner he took on sunday went past the far post so i tend to agree
yes, aiming at Barry who was there nearly every time... we did it with enough consistnacy to suggest that it was planned.
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Smacks of a panic buy. Definitely not a Pulis type player.
If Gibbs is a panic buy then more panic buys please
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If Gibbs is a panic buy then more panic buys please
It has all the hallmarks of being patient and getting an identified target.........
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yes, aiming at Barry who was there nearly every time... we did it with enough consistnacy to suggest that it was planned.
MotD2 ran an interesting piece on this on Sunday night, showing how Stoke had three players at the front post to prevent the runs of Rondon and the centre-halves, forcing us to deliver to the back post time and again. (I get the feeling Fletcher may have had quite an input on that for them, the grass!)
As for Gibbs... £7Mil in today's market for an experienced Prem standard full back a decent signing for us I think. Should benefit from a more defensive set up than Aresenal's.
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£5m up front rising to £7m is a cracking deal if you ask me!
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If Gibbs is a panic buy then more panic buys please
Sakho Mr Mainwaring! Someone will have to explain that one to the youngsters
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£5m up front rising to £7m is a cracking deal if you ask me!
Deal of the window.
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If those figures are correct then it's a no brainer.
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a first team including foster, gibbs, barry, livermore, j rod - all with senior england caps would be more than we have seen perhaps for 30 or more years.
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If those figures are correct then it's a no brainer.
I agree, especially when we were rumoured to have bid 10 million earlier in the window.
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Anyone heard this part which does concern me.
"And the report suggests Arsenal have now asked for Jonny Evans to be part of the deal".
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Good business if the physios work their magic as usual.
I have to admit to being surprised at this one being landed though!
Welcome Keiron, hope you do as well as the last Keiron
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At 5m, worth the punt.
Never massively produced at Arsenal but hopefully that is due to the Arsenal defender curse and TP can turn him good.
Happy with this signing I think.
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Great signing and great price... if it comes off.
Barry & Gibbs at West Brom...
This transfer window wont be a 'Tragedy' after all :D
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Great signing and great price...
Barry & Gibbs at West Brom...
This transfer window wont be a 'Tragedy' after all :D
Get yeah coat !
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Wenger "Gibbs is 13 mill"
Pulis "walking away, bad references"
Wenger "how about 5mill"
Pulis "lovely jubbly"
Great signing for 5 mill in today's climate. We may actually have a left back who's a real left back!!!!
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Great signing and great price... if it comes off.
Barry & Gibbs at West Brom...
This transfer window wont be a 'Tragedy' after all :D
It's only 'Words' and it might mean us 'Stayin Alive'
I suppose Tone said, 'If I can't have you I don't want nobody baby'
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Wenger "Gibbs is 13 mill"
Pulis "walking away, bad references"
Wenger "how about 5mill"
Pulis "lovely jubbly"
Great signing for 5 mill in today's climate. We may actually have a left back who's a real left back!!!!
Did someone "Grease" Wengers palm.
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Still need to agree personal terms
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Did someone "Grease" Wengers palm.
Saturday "Night Fever"'at the Hawthorns!
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Still need to agree personal terms
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I always find this odd. I'm sure you're right however I would have imagined that discussions with agents would ensure that both parties, buying club and player, are thinking of the same sort of deal ahead of bothering with medicals etc.
To do otherwise seems backside about face, but it does appear to be the norm.
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Give it 2 weeks he'll be in the bomb squad.
Brunt will slot into midfield in the interim.
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Give it 2 weeks he'll be in the bomb squad.
Brunt will slot into midfield in the interim.
Much as you love him, if he isn't at left back, he can't be in the team.
Though in saying that, I would likely select him ahead of Livermore, but I would select most over Livermore currently
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Much as you love him, if he isn't at left back, he can't be in the team.
Though in saying that, I would likely select him ahead of Livermore, but I would select most over Livermore currently
Guaranteed starter left midfield if Gibbs turns out to be okay. Rodriguez up front.
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I'm not a massive fan of Gibbs to be honest. I don't think he'll thrive under Pulis at all. I'm actually very surprised he is being signed by Pulis. I hope Gibbs proves me wrong if he signs but I can see him in the "dungeon" within 6 months!
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Guaranteed starter left midfield if Gibbs turns out to be okay. Rodriguez up front.
I think it will all be moot. Gibbs will be caught out of position once and will disappear from the first team squad quite quickly
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Just loving the optimism guys. He has not even agreed personal terms and he will bomb in two weeks???? ??? :o
Perhaps we should have gone for the completely untested Taylor for the same price, or paid the kings ransom to convert an Austrian from his normal position. How dare we buy an established premier league left back!!!
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Guaranteed starter left midfield if Gibbs turns out to be okay. Rodriguez up front.
Brunt's Days are numbered Jacko, great servant, times up for him and Mozza.
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No way does Brunt play as a winger, he's not quick enough. Pulis wants quick wingers.
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Just loving the optimism guys. He has not even agreed personal terms and he will bomb in two weeks???? ??? :o
Perhaps we should have gone for the completely untested Taylor for the same price, or paid the kings ransom to convert an Austrian from his normal position. How dare we buy an established premier league left back!!!
We could well have a great window when its wound up but some of our fans just love to moan, we could sign Messi and they would say he's to old,Pulis won't play him ::).
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We could well have a great window when its wound up but some of our fans just love to moan, we could sign Messi and they would say he's to old,Pulis won't play him ::).
Yes saw this on twitter sounds about right ;D
On Jonny Evans...
Fergie played him
Mourhino says he would have kept him
Pep & Wenger want him
Yet Craig from Leamington Spa says he's pooh.
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Brunt's Days are numbered Jacko, great servant, times up for him and Mozza.
No so sure that times up for Mozza I think he still as something to contribute to the team.
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Would be a cracking signing in my eyes. Just the type of player we should be chasing.
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Have to say I just can't see Brunt being left out due to his delivery from set pieces. I've no idea what Gibbs is like in dead-ball situations but he would likely be the only naturally left footed player if Brunt was left out (assuming McLean not in the team).
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No way does Brunt play as a winger, he's not quick enough. Pulis wants quick wingers.
Gibbs? :-X
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Have to say I just can't see Brunt being left out due to his delivery from set pieces. I've no idea what Gibbs is like in dead-ball situations but he would likely be the only naturally left footed player if Brunt was left out (assuming McLean not in the team).
Gareth Barry?
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Gareth Barry?
Fair call, didn't think of that one.
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Matt Phillips deliveries will be fine.
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Matt Phillips deliveries will be fine.
Yep he's fine but think we need a left footer also for variety.
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Echo the comments about the dungeon - when you look at the fullbacks used by Pulis in his tenure with us so far then Gibbs is a bolt out the blue. Has always appeared to me to be a full back who much preferred going forward than his defensive duties. Having said that, he has played for an Arsenal side whose attitude towards defending is pathetic so I don't wish to appear too critical.
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Have to say I just can't see Brunt being left out due to his delivery from set pieces. I've no idea what Gibbs is like in dead-ball situations but he would likely be the only naturally left footed player if Brunt was left out (assuming McLean not in the team).
Gibbs can't cross so no chance of him taking the set pieces.
Brunt's on Sunday were awful, mind you
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Gibbs can't cross so no chance of him taking the set pieces.
Brunt's on Sunday were awful, mind you
Doesn't sound good. What use is a full back overlapping down the flank, but unable to cross? Mind you, that was the one part of his game that Dawson needed to improve on, but it looks like moving to the centre he won't need to.
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Don't forget Arsenal don't like crosses much...it's a bit basic for their style.
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Delighted that we might be signing a Left Back but truly surprised that it's Gibbs. At £7m a relative bargain but still can't escape the nagging feeling that he isn't a Pulis type defender.
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https://twitter.com/johncrossmirror/status/902663310855856128?s=09
Signed. Top signing for that amount. England international for 7m is an absolute bargain.
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Good addition and with something to prove
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WE HAVE A LEFTBACK!!!!!!
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WE HAVE A LEFTBACK!!!!!!
I still don't believe it
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WE HAVE A LEFTBACK!!!!!!
I wonder if Brunty will be relieved, that he wont have to get back to left back position after taking corners when teams are on the counter attack
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Well Gibbs might be looking at Evans as an example of a guy who took a step down but in a couple of years was able to go back to a top 6 side.
Either way I hope Gibbs becomes a solid LB with something to prove. Guess Dawson is a permanent CB now?
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Well Gibbs might be looking at Evans as an example of a guy who took a step down but in a couple of years was able to go back to a top 6 side.
Either way I hope Gibbs becomes a solid LB with something to prove. Guess Dawson is a permanent CB now?
Spot on mukka, have said it in another post that we can become a stepping stone club (nursery} back or to a top 6 club while at the same time making us stronger in the long run.
I think Daws has more than earned his opportunity to play CH
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I wonder if Brunty will be relieved, that he wont have to get back to left back position after taking corners when teams are on the counter attack
Well this means he's back on the bench...
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Spot on mukka, have said it in another post that we can become a stepping stone club (nursery} back or to a top 6 club while at the same time making us stronger in the long run.
I think Daws has more than earned his opportunity to play CH
Sorry but I don't think that is realistic. It has taken Evans 2 seasons to make that transition (if it happens) and by then Gibbs will be pushing 30 the top 6 generally don't hire 30 year old full backs, we are his level now. Generally Evans will be one of the rare exceptions to the rule when a player steps down a level certainly once they have reached their mid 20's they don't get a second bite of the Champions League level cherry.
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Sorry but I don't think that is realistic. It has taken Evans 2 seasons to make that transition (if it happens) and by then Gibbs will be pushing 30 the top 6 generally don't hire 30 year old full backs, we are his level now. Generally Evans will be one of the rare exceptions to the rule when a player steps down a level certainly once they have reached their mid 20's they don't get a second bite of the Champions League level cherry.
you could well be right about Kieran but it depends on the individual i mean some consider 30 as someone being in there prime not me i think 65 is. ;) :D
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Looks done.
Kieran Gibbs has completed his £7m move from #afc to #wba and signed a 4-year contract. Watford's failure to agree personal terms cost them.
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Looks done.
Kieran Gibbs has completed his £7m move from #afc to #wba and signed a 4-year contract. Watford's failure to agree personal terms cost them.
Curious to hear what his wages are. I heard reports that the reason Watford couldn't get it over the line is that Gibbs was asking for £80k a week, £20k more than he's on at Arsenal.
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Looks done.
Kieran Gibbs has completed his £7m move from #afc to #wba and signed a 4-year contract. Watford's failure to agree personal terms cost them.
It's not done till we see him with a shirt you know the rules with Albion :-)
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Just seen this on facebook.
According to sky sports Gibbs deal has not finished yet the contract & personal terms have not been finalized just what happened at Watford.
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Gibbs is not worth £80k pw. Do footballers pluck these figures out of the air. I would rather a striker on £80k+ pw.
Only our top players should be on that - Evans imho.
What has Gibbs done in the last season to merit it?
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Just seen this on facebook.
According to sky sports Gibbs deal has not finished yet the contract & personal terms have not been finalized just what happened at Watford.
John Cross at the Mirror and James Olley for the Evening Standard have said it's pretty much done and Rob Dorsett for Sky has just tweeted that it's all but done, just a couple of minor contractual things to sort out.
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4 year deal done
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Nothing on clubs official web site as yet.
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Nothing on clubs official web site as yet.
The media team have probably only just finished their danish pastries and sat down at their desks...
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All over the London Standard
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The media team have probably only just finished their danish pastries and sat down at their desks...
In fairness, they did a pretty good announcement for Oliver lets see if they can do something good for Kieran?
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The media team have probably only just finished their danish pastries and sat down at their desks...
Danish pastries?! Further proof that TP is softening in his views; previously he only allowed them to have crumpets and Cornish pasties ;D
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(http://Gibbs is not worth £80k pw). Do footballers pluck these figures out of the air. I would rather a striker on £80k+ pw.
Only our top players should be on that - Evans imho.
What has Gibbs done in the last season to merit it?
We offered £10 million then pay £7 the £3 million differance just goes towards his wages i would think.
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https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/kieran-gibbs-completes-7m-move-from-arsenal-to-west-brom-a3622521.html
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We offered £10 million then pay £7 the £3 million differance just goes towards his wages i would think.
Probably. Thats what Billy Jones did by running down his contracts - became a free agent then had a pick of teams he could play for that could offer higher wages to bring him in.
This is good evidence that a) doing business earlier in the window isn't always best. b) 'just pay the money Albion, stop faffing' now holds no water. We've just halved his price by waiting 3-4 weeks.
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Probably. Thats what Billy Jones did by running down his contracts - became a free agent then had a pick of teams he could play for that could offer higher wages to bring him in.
This is good evidence that a) doing business earlier in the window isn't always best. b) 'just pay the money Albion, stop faffing' now holds no water. We've just halved his price by waiting 3-4 weeks.
True, but at the risk that someone else might have stepped in.
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Danish pastries?! Further proof that TP is softening in his views; previously he only allowed them to have crumpets and Cornish pasties ;D
Hey now ! Dont knock a good danish.
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In todays market we have got an absolute bargain for 7 million. You look at some of the unproven players in the championship being quoted over 10 million.
A good chance now for Gibbs to show what he can do playing regular football and be pushing for an England call up. At the moment he is 25/1 to be in the WC Squad next year.
Finally some pace at left back! Gibbs and Burke on the left could be a left handful ;)
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All over the London Standard
like a rash
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The longer this goes on without the O/S announcing Gibbs, the more I am hopeful that they are holding off to see if they can get Krychowiak and announce both at the same time
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“I like Keiran,†said Francis. “He would be a good asset to us if that’s all done and dusted.
“He’s got a lot of experience at the highest level with Arsenal and in European football. He’s very good going forward, I think we’ll work hard with him and turn him into a better player defensively.â€
Quote from a Gerry Francis interview - the last bit made me laugh. Does Gibbs know what is coming...
Read more at https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/08/30/west-brom-swoop-for-psg-midfielder-grzegorz-krychowiak-as-kieran-gibbs-deal-nears-completion/#PuUiU5AkfFMJ6JvP.99
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Reckon this is done, Albion twitter thing just put a teaser out with a photo of 4 of our left backs - Clement, Statham, Williams and Millard
then say - would you like to see another photo?
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seems its confirmed.
Albion twitter account teasing us with pictures of previous Left Backs and asking if we want to see another picture.#
https://twitter.com/WBA/status/902841019355582464
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https://twitter.com/WBA/status/902844664163782656
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BBC are reporting it as a fee of "around £5 million".
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Welcome to the club. Here's hoping he can end the Pulis left back perceived hoodoo
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would this take us to four fully capped england players in the squad ?
Foster
Barry
Gibbs
Livermore
Jay Rod
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Amazing signing. 5 million rising to 7 for a top English LB in this market is simply sensational business.
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on O/S now
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/august/gibbs-joins-albion/
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Brilliant....deal done, photo seen....welcome Kieran.
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Welcome to the Baggies Kieran. We have a Left back !!!!!! :o
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International experience
200 games for Arsenal
Three FA Cups
Still only 27
£7m!
Maybe now the pay the money brigade will learn their lesson. Brilliant value.
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He's a "left....back"?......What's a left-back?
Delighted with this signing, an excellent bit o' business!
Welcome Kieran, and good luck!!
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Brilliant signing. Top class work by Albion.
Welcome to the Albion Kieran!
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Welcome Kieran. :)
Think he is an average player when I watched he played for arsenal.
Finally Pulis has a real left back lol
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Welcome Kieran. :)
Think he is an average player when I watched he played for arsenal.
Finally Pulis has a real left back lol
I don't think you can call thus lad average....Arsenal and England, that's better than average. He's the best left back we have had for many many years.
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Welcome Kieran. now go get your england place back
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Brilliant signing, to think we moaned at us not paying 5/7million on Charlie Taylor and we have ended up with Gibbs. Great bit of business from everyone at the club.
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Fantastic signing adding much needed left back! Means Brunt can now be utilised more in midfield where he's better
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He's also been used to winning, top 4 and FA Cups. Hopefully he'll bring that mentality with him.
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Fantastic signing adding much needed left back! Means Brunt can now be utilised more in midfield where he's better
be even better if he starts on the bench. He hasn't got the pace to play out wide and I can't see him being used as a DM.
Back to Gibbs;
Not getting Charlie Taylor for similar money is looking like a good deal after all.
Looking forward to seeing how we line up defensively at Brighton. I have reluctantly consigned myself to us losing Evans but I do think we will get a replacement in, probably Sakho.
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It's turned out nice again
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We've got a left back and what's more Pulis signed him so gotta be more inclined to play him! Happy days
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Good signing, happy with this. I like the idea of Gibbs and Nyom as our full backs, I hope TP does too. :P
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Good signing, happy with this. I like the idea of Gibbs and Nyom as our full backs, I hope TP does too. :P
Evans or new signing to centre back, Dawson to right back. I would bet my house on it
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Welcome to the beautiful Baggies Kieran Gibbs! COYB
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Potentially excellent signing and just what we need to balance the team s little.
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Evans or new signing to centre back, Dawson to right back. I would bet my house on it
What has this comment to do with KG signing? Why the implied criticism, when the club have just signed a proper LB, for a realistic price, with an impressive CV??
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Very pleased with this. Good premier league player with bags of experience including champions league. I think he would benefit playing for Pulis. (cant believe I said that)
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What has this comment to do with KG signing? Why the implied criticism, when the club have just signed a proper LB, for a realistic price, with an impressive CV??
I had to re-read this too, I think, He is actually saying that Nyom will be dropped in favour of Dawson going back to right back, which supposes that JE plus GMac or Hegazi will be C-H's
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Good signing for us
Not his greatest fan but he welcome to the club either way
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Very good signing at a very good price by all accounts. We'll done Albion for waiting and getting the better deal
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At risk of being accused of moaning, I must confess that I've never really been impressed by Gibbs when I've seen him. He looks pacey and athletic but his final ball is pretty poor and he positioning and tackling is only ok. I don't follow Arsenal closely and this is only my recollections from watching them on MOTD and Champions League. I'm sure our coaching team have done a lot more due diligence than that!
It's hard to feel a bit down after signing a full England regular international with CL experience but I've just got a nagging doubt that he might not be as great as his billing. On the other hand, if there's a defender somewhere in Gibbs, Pulis is the man to make the very most of it!
Welcome to the club.
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Welcome to the Albion Kieran and good luck :D
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Tony seems to have a plan and Kieran is clearly part of it.
Given all the phaffing about we have had with Taylor/Wimmer etc, its nice to get a ready made England International LB into the team.
Welocme Kieran! Looking forward to seeing you play.
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Welcome Kieron, hope you enjoy a great career here, you have an opportunity to be a real fans favorite as we have not seen a "quality" left back since Derek Statham and that is a long, long time ago.
Good luck mate. (BTW when we kicking towards the brummy (the home end), you may need some ear defenders!)
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Is a quality addition who has had some incredibly bad luck with injuries which have been the only reason he hasn't established himself as Arsenal first choice LB and potentially England's. Interesting regarding the comment regarding his final ball, how many left backs can say they've notched up a hat trick assists in a Champions League game? Only thing that concerns me is his injury record, but he's a player of great quality.
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A left back and wearing the No3 shirt been waiting a long time to see that ;D ;D ;D
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Durham on Talksport talking this signing and west brom after 6
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This is more like it young players who could be worth alot more in a few years 😊 well happy
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Welcome to the Albion Kieran, Happy Days
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This is more like it young players who could be worth alot more in a few years 😊 well happy
He's 27! Not that young!
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overjoyed with this signing and hopeful he'll be a regular in the XI sooner than later, although I hope TP still find a way to keep Brunty on the field. His crosses and ability on dead balls is too valuable.
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Welcome to this great club Kieran!
Amazing bit of business by the Albion, very good player imo.
I do agree that Brunty will still play a big part for us though, as we score so many goals from set pieces & he takes most of them. Pulis & Megson aren't stupid & know the stats on Brunts assist record.
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Another good signing we need 4 more quality signings COYB.
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Welcome Kieron hope you get on well! Boing boing
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Another good signing at the right price and I'm sure tone will teach you how to defend properly
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13 years of Wenger - Pulis might be a culture shock but also might be exactly what he needs.
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I can't be the only one who doesnt think we'll see much of Gibbs this side of Christmas?
:-[
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I can't be the only one who doesnt think we'll see much of Gibbs this side of Christmas?
:-[
The ominous line of being able to work on the defensive side of his game in Pulis' interview gave that away.
I'd also be surprised to see Pulis throw more than two new signings into the team for Brighton.
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He doesn't seem the Pulis type but you never know.
I feel it would more likely he'd play in a back 5 then a 4 but who knows. He certainly has quality and far stranger things have happened. Can't pretend I'm convinced it'll work out.
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I'm very encouraged by the fact he has quality on the ball going forward. I'll say it again, it is daft putting a classic central defender at full back as it is unnatural for them to overlap forward with the ball. Just hope his final crosses are decent. I'm sure Pulis will see to it that he is well coached on the defensive side of his game.
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I think his only issue has been that he is not brilliant defensively but apart from that he is very very good. When Pulis, Mego and Co are finished with him he could be a real player.
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Sorry this is bizarre. We have just signed a 27 year old full back who has over 200 appearances for Arsenal many of which were in the Champions League and he pretty much admits that he can't defend and is talking in a manner that would be more appropriate for a 20 year old loanee than an established pro.
Now some might call that refreshing humility but I don't think it is particularly auspicious. At 27 he is nearing the veteran stage of his career as a full back and to think Pulis/Megson will teach him to defend at this point of time is a touch optimistic. Either we won't start him or we will and he will be dropped when he has his first defensive nightmare probably after we play City in the league cup.
I want to be wrong I really do but this doesn't feel right.
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Sorry this is bizarre. We have just signed a 27 year old full back who has over 200 appearances for Arsenal many of which were in the Champions League and he pretty much admits that he can't defend and is talking in a manner that would be more appropriate for a 20 year old loanee than an established pro.
Now some might call that refreshing humility but I don't think it is particularly auspicious. At 27 he is nearing the veteran stage of his career as a full back and to think Pulis/Megson will teach him to defend at this point of time is a touch optimistic. Either we won't start him or we will and he will be dropped when he has his first defensive nightmare probably after we play City in the league cup.
I want to be wrong I really do but this doesn't feel right.
I'm sorry I can't agree with you analysis. Where I do agree is that it is bizare. Where does he admit he can't defend? If he played many of the 200 appearances for Arsenal in the Champions League if he couldn't defend how did he play so many? And by this logic Hegazi is now finished at the club.
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Being crying out for recognised left back for years and I'm delighted to get Gibbs. He can defend and he's got pace which should come in handy when counter attacking, like a lot of gooners players he's lost his way a little bit in last few years
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there's no other true LB on the roster that can do what Gibbs did on the only goal against Brighton, one-timing a through pass from Krychowiak to put in a perfect cross into the box. Start him at LB with Brunt also on his side to aid defensively.
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so we only paid £5m for him. unbelievable figure in todays market for someone of his quality and experience.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/901664140?-11200:789:0
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Yes it was a bit of a strange saga. Pulis saying that he spoke to Steve Bould and Gerry Peyton (GK coach) before signing him.....not sure where the story of dodgy character references came from.
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so we only paid £5m for him. unbelievable figure in todays market for someone of his quality and experience.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/901664140?-11200:789:0
Will be if Pulis plays him as he's already making noises and excuses saying he isn't up to scratch fitness wise or drilled enough yet,then that 5M will be another chunk of wasted money again ala macnananan
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Will be if Pulis plays him as he's already making noises and excuses saying he isn't up to scratch fitness wise or drilled enough yet,then that 5M will be another chunk of wasted money again ala macnananan
Think Pulis is making observations based on what he and the fitness dept. see. Our record regarding player fitness and injury levels would be way way better than Arsenal's.
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Yes it was a bit of a strange saga. Pulis saying that he spoke to Steve Bould and Gerry Peyton (GK coach) before signing him.....not sure where the story of dodgy character references came from.
Maybe 13M they didn't feel it was worth the risk but at 5M they did?
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Maybe 13M they didn't feel it was worth the risk but at 5M they did?
Could be something like that yes
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Think Pulis is making observations based on what he and the fitness dept. see. Our record regarding player fitness and injury levels would be way way better than Arsenal's.
From the comments I read I took it to mean they wanted him to add some muscle to his body to help him avoid the kind of injuries his career has been plagued with so I've no issues with that. Seems clear that Arsenal have issues when it comes to keeping certain players fit and that has to come down to their medical department and/or training methods.
When it comes to coaching it will take a while for him to adapt to the way Pulis will want him to play, lets be honest he's not done a lot of work defensively for Arsenal over the years so that's a massive part of his game that will need improving.
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I am really not sure about this I know we got him for a bargain price but a bargain isn't a bargain if the player does what you want him to do.
We are talking about a 27 year old with over 200 plus first team appearances who needs to bulk up defend better and adapt to the way Pulis wants him to play (shouldn't be too difficult just don't venture past the halfway line make sure you tuck in tight the the nearest Centre Half) wouldn't it be simpler just to buy a player Pulis actually wanted. If rumours about Wimmer as a converted left back had any basis in fact you have to think Pulis would have been a hell of a lot happier with that option.
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I am really not sure about this I know we got him for a bargain price but a bargain isn't a bargain if the player does what you want him to do.
We are talking about a 27 year old with over 200 plus first team appearances who needs to bulk up defend better and adapt to the way Pulis wants him to play (shouldn't be too difficult just don't venture past the halfway line make sure you tuck in tight the the nearest Centre Half) wouldn't it be simpler just to buy a player Pulis actually wanted. If rumours about Wimmer as a converted left back had any basis in fact you have to think Pulis would have been a hell of a lot happier with that option.
Wimmer didn't want to come here and play left back so it wasn't an option at all.
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Wimmer didn't want to come here and play left back so it wasn't an option at all.
If rumour is true but it does show the mindset of the coach and Wimmer & Gibbs are about as different as you can get.
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thought he stood out yesterday amongst the dross,great to have a proper l/b,if only TP would play a proper r/b
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Think he's been great since signing. Nice to have a proper left back and a good one at that
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Looked promising. Doesn't offer much by way of a final ball which I knew from watching him for a number of years, but looked good defensively and was at least willing to run with the ball and commit defenders. Will be a good addition I think.
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Great to see a proper left back Saturday. Played well the lad.
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I really enjoyed watching a proper left back last night. He got up and down the flank well and looked good defensively. Put in good balls from crosses and corners.
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Played well against backside, MOM for us in my opinion.
Hope we can keep him fit, looking a real asset at the moment, well done son.
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Played well against backside, MOM for us in my opinion.
Hope we can keep him fit, looking a real asset at the moment, well done son.
deffinitely my man of the match
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He played alright during open play BUT his set piece delivery was very poor (surprised he was the nominated taker), he wasted the two corners we won and a couple of free kicks in promising positions. The balls in either failed to beat the first man or were too high and slow to the back post. Given how important set pieces are to our set-up we badly miss Brunt not being on the pitch to take them or at least Phillips.
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He played alright during open play BUT his set piece delivery was very poor (surprised he was the nominated taker), he wasted the two corners we won and a couple of free kicks in promising positions. The balls in either failed to beat the first man or were too high and slow to the back post. Given how important set pieces are to our set-up we badly miss Brunt not being on the pitch to take them or at least Phillips.
Hard to argue with that. You're right that as CB is likely to get less game time this season, we do need a.n.other to create the chances on set pieces.
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Stand out player again for us today, proving to be an excellent signing
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Stand out player again for us today, proving to be an excellent signing
Have to agree class act.
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Our best footballer
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you can see his quality on the ball, that's the pedigree from playing for a team who play football and encourage passing.
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Good game today & his link up play was good too
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Easily our best defender at this time. We have a left back who can play, can't remember when I last said that.
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Not since Derek Statham
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Good game and quality player, good attacking threat but pleased to see he can defend aswell. For the price we got him absolute bargain.
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Hey swad I completely agree with you about Gibbs,he is a class act and has settled in very quickly, I think our squad will see this and step up their game also.
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Really pleased with what I've seen so far. He actually gives us an extra attacking option, and blimey, do we need one under this Pulis set up. Alot of old school think that as a full back all you need to do is win the ball and pump it forward. But look at all the top clubs and they have full backs that get forward and cause an extra attacking option to get a cross in.
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has been consistently outstanding for us, we didn't just finally get a proper left back, we got a really good one.
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I have been impressed with him since he joined. Though he was a close call for our MOTM on Saturday.... as dire as the showing was, there was very little wrong with his performance.
An absolute bargain for the price.
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So far so good. I'm still nervous that after 6 months of "improvement" under Pulis he will be a shadow of his initial showing. I remember feeling excited by Livermore, Nyom, Rondon during their first few games and then they got worse, not better.....
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So far so good. I'm still nervous that after 6 months of "improvement" under Pulis he will be a shadow of his initial showing. I remember feeling excited by Livermore, Nyom, Rondon during their first few games and then they got worse, not better.....
That's a fair point, has anyone really improved as a player under his stewardship?
Think he is so focused on the shape and defensive discipline, individuals get swallowed up and rarely shine.
Saft as it sounds, this is exactly what England could do with, someone to bring them together as a disciplined unit, rather than 11(over-rated) individuals.
Pulis for England!!
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It's a vey common thing with players at new clubs - the change of scene and bit of spotlight on them tends to bring out some good performances early on, which can flatter to deceive a bit. It's not unique to our club.
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Yesterday he was very lazy in both attack and defense, deserved to be taken off at half time.
Look like that he didn't care about the team.
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Sell him in the summer and sign a replacement, but i'd rather promote Kane Wilson than have this lazy sod starting for us.
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I think Gibbs started okay but has gradually got worse as the season has gone on, i think Pulis said when we signed him we were going to work on him defensively, no coincidence since Pulis left, Gibbs has got worse.
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I think Gibbs started okay but has gradually got worse as the season has gone on, i think Pulis said when we signed him we were going to work on him defensively, no coincidence since Pulis left, Gibbs has got worse.
Gibbs was woeful at Arsenal and he's been shocking for Albion. He can't head it, he has no defensive ability, no strength or bottle. He also has no desire or will to play for the club, not surprising when he was on the easy train as an Arsenal reserve. Shocking signing that I whole heartedly opposed. Some of the comments from earlier in the season above calling him outstanding are laughable. Fingers crossed we can con another premiership team to take him in the summer as I imagine he's on a hefty wage.
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First to come out and apologise for the season via his Twitter , have to say I thought he was poor for long spells of the season and positioning was poor week in week out .
That said improved a lot under Moore and does have decent pedigree so either we get money back or he sticks about and gives us a season which I half hope he does as I feel he's one that owes.
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First to come out and apologise for the season via his Twitter , have to say I thought he was poor for long spells of the season and positioning was poor week in week out .
That said improved a lot under Moore and does have decent pedigree so either we get money back or he sticks about and gives us a season which I half hope he does as I feel he's one that owes.
Under Moore, he showed a willingness to close down and block crosses which he wasn't doing under either previous manager. I would be keen to keep him if Moore stays.
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First to come out and apologise for the season via his Twitter , have to say I thought he was poor for long spells of the season and positioning was poor week in week out .
That said improved a lot under Moore and does have decent pedigree so either we get money back or he sticks about and gives us a season which I half hope he does as I feel he's one that owes.
I'm with you. If we can get a good price, then fair enough, let him go. But hopefully he will give it a go and stay, as he has contributed to the poor season. I think he could be one of the best LBs the Championship has seen. I think he's a decent player who has been mis-managed. Along with every other player in the squad...
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The fullbacks at most progressive premier clubs are often "out of position" as they are expected to get forward,
The key is the wide midfield player slotting in to cover.
How often are Valencia & Young bombing on,
Bellerin / Monreal
Zappacosta / Azpilacuta
Walker / Danilo
even West ham have Cresswell and Masuaka liberated from just defending
If you want to play with a static, rigid back four you are not going to succeed in the modern game.
Gibbs isn't excellent, but he's not rubbish either and he will be head and shoulders above most championship defenders. Watch some championship football, its pretty poor.
There is one bloke on here who really knows about defending and I would interested to hear his view on this (Fritzl !!!)
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The fullbacks at most progressive premier clubs are often "out of position" as they are expected to get forward,
The key is the wide midfield player slotting in to cover.
How often are Valencia & Young bombing on,
Bellerin / Monreal
Zappacosta / Azpilacuta
Walker / Danilo
even West ham have Cresswell and Masuaka liberated from just defending
If you want to play with a static, rigid back four you are not going to succeed in the modern game.
Gibbs isn't excellent, but he's not rubbish either and he will be head and shoulders above most championship defenders. Watch some championship football, its pretty poor.
There is one bloke on here who really knows about defending and I would interested to hear his view on this (Fritzl !!!)
Have to disagree , Gibbs general defending and closing down was poor for large parts of the season but improved under Moore . Under Pardew the amount of times he got done in the air was frightning at the back post , maybe he is better in a more rigid side.
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I disagree he's that poor defensively but even still. If we think we'll be on the front foot a lot next season then surely Gibbs is the kind of LB we need?
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Not sure my defensive knowledge is all that, unless it is defending the door from a basement escape ;)
I do feel that Gibbs lacks in his defensive nous, but that is symptomatic of modern football. The days of having a Gary Neville style character as your full back are long gone. Look at the side who has won 3 out of the last 4 Champions League titles, they have Marcelo at left back and he has no intention to defend, continually breaks the defensive line to bomb forward and is frequently out of position...but look at what he brings to the attacking side of the game.
When having full backs who are so attack minded, you need the centre backs to factor that in, which I feel is where we have let ourselves down when it has come to Gibbs this season. I look at Evans allowing Lukaku to isolate himself with Gibbs to put that header away earlier in the season as case in point, he should have known where Lukaku was at all times, he was their lone striker and he should have been tough tight to him throughout.
I like Gibbs despite his defensive failings and would like to see him stay on next season, but I would imagine a Premier League club would come in for him during the summer so do not see it happening.
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Has disappointed me tbh.
Has been okay but very few assists, rare in beating a man, few block busting tackles and prone to be targeted at back post for headers. Technically good, but what has he offered more than when brunt was lb?
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Poor defender for Arsenal and a poor defender for Albion, who could have predicted that one.
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Been bang average this season but I still think there's a good player in there somewhere. Would be a good player in the championship. Worth keeping if we can keep hold of him.
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I've seen posts on Facebook claiming Gibbs has committed to us for nezt season (with no source of course, this is Facebook after all ::) ). Anyone heard anything about this??
Fair play to him if its true, he's a player with a fairly high profile and that I can imagine doing very well in the championship. Could easily get a move so would be welcome news for me, I don't think we've seen him reach his potential here yet.
the bham mail also said he has committed to us in an article i was reading tonight. honestly thought he'd be one of the first to scarper.
it mentions it in this article just above the picture of Foster.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/938796979?-11200:789
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He just made the most league appearances he has ever made in his career to date. Wonder if that has played a big part.
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Be delighted to keep him, would be a very good player to have at Championship level.
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if we play 3-4-3 and he plays wide left... perfect player!
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Excellent news if true. I had him down as possibly one of the first to go. Figured coming from Arsenal, not been with us long and with a high enough profile that someone would snap him up. He'll be outstanding this year for us.
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If true great news always rated gibbo.
Perhaps Dave has persuaded him and others to stay.
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He didn't exactly join an environment where he could flourish as a player. There's definitely a good player in there. A forward thinking left back will help us next year for sure when we'll need width and attacking options a plenty. He'll rarely be tested as much defensively as he was this season too. I'd say similar about Nyom too tbh although Gibbs is definitely better on the ball. I hope he stays.
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He didn't exactly join an environment where he could flourish as a player. There's definitely a good player in there. A forward thinking left back will help us next year for sure when we'll need width and attacking options a plenty. He'll rarely be tested as much defensively as he was this season too. I'd say similar about Nyom too tbh although Gibbs is definitely better on the ball. I hope he stays.
This is my take on it, he will primarily be playing as an attacking full back, should the season progress how it ought to progress, and therefore he and Nyom as first choice full backs should be absolutely fine at this level.
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I'd look at it this way, if we were signing a new left back that needs to get forward and had pace we'd be over the moon at signing someone like Gibbs.
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Well, looks like Gibbs is in talks with Torino.
We'll be lucky not to get relegated again at this rate. Just what are we going to be left with?
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Well, looks like Gibbs is in talks with Torino.
We'll be lucky not to get relegated again at this rate. Just what are we going to be left with?
Major concern to lose Gibbs IF the new guy Townsend is the replacement.
Townsend sounds like he has some promise but is no youngster and more of a squad addition than first eleven surely ?
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Well, looks like Gibbs is in talks with Torino.
We'll be lucky not to get relegated again at this rate. Just what are we going to be left with?
that escalated. I’d heard that they were considering making an offer but he would need to take a pay cut. This news that he is actually in talks with them after we’ve accepted a bid is a bolt from the blue.
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If he goes, fair enough, but I won’t be impressed if the replacement is just 600 grand! Mind you it’s the kinda cheap skating thing we would do.
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If he goes, fair enough, but I won’t be impressed if the replacement is just 600 grand! Mind you it’s the kinda cheap skating thing we would do.
How much did GMac, Yacob and Mulumba cost again? The £600k player in might be a great player for years to come. Insane to judge players from lower leagues on a transfer fee. He must have done a lot right to get voted the best left back in the league by his peers and to become a fan favourite.
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that escalated. I’d heard that they were considering making an offer but he would need to take a pay cut. This news that he is actually in talks with them after we’ve accepted a bid is a bolt from the blue.
This is from Football Italia
https://www.football-italia.net/125547/toro-gibbs-yes-niang-no (https://www.football-italia.net/125547/toro-gibbs-yes-niang-no)
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This is from Football Italia
https://www.football-italia.net/125547/toro-gibbs-yes-niang-no (https://www.football-italia.net/125547/toro-gibbs-yes-niang-no)
just read this, any idea what a dry loan is? or is just poor translation.
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just read this, any idea what a dry loan is? or is just poor translation.
Didn't get that far, just looked at the Gibbs bit.
Just can't see us being interested in a loan deal for any of our players.
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Can we keep transfer discussion in the Transfer Forum please
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“NEWCASTLE REPORTEDLY KEEN ON KIERAN GIBBSâ€
But can they afford him?
Source: https://readwestbrom.com/2018/08/02/newcastle-reportedly-keen-on-kieran-gibbs/
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“NEWCASTLE REPORTEDLY KEEN ON KIERAN GIBBSâ€
But can they afford him?
Source: https://readwestbrom.com/2018/08/02/newcastle-reportedly-keen-on-kieran-gibbs/
Have they taken over from West Ham as our stalkers
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Have they taken over from West Ham as our stalkers
I'm not sure Newcastle could afford a round of beers let alone Gibbs
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Now on twitter that he has agreed personal terms with Torino but yet to agree a transfer deal. Anyone heard anything ?
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Now on twitter that he has agreed personal terms with Torino but yet to agree a transfer deal. Anyone heard anything ?
I've heard the same rumour as you. No idea if there's any substance to it.
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Now on twitter that he has agreed personal terms with Torino but yet to agree a transfer deal. Anyone heard anything ?
Always thought the protocol was, the clubs had to agree a deal before the buying club could speak to a player.
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Always thought the protocol was, the clubs had to agree a deal before the buying club could speak to a player.
It is indeed unless they have a year or less on their deal.
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It is indeed unless they have a year or less on their deal.
and it is for after the completion of the term of the original contract... otherwise Clubs talk first
Well that was what I always thought.. :)
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Always thought the protocol was, the clubs had to agree a deal before the buying club could speak to a player.
Clubs can give players permission to talk to a team before a fee is agreed
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The reality is that the buying club talks to the players agent. If the player is interested they establish what sort of contract package is required (very few deals breakdown once a fee has been agreed because of personal terms)The players agent either knows what price the selling club wants or he then approaches the club to open discussions about a fee. If the selling club's valuation is within striking distance of what the buying club is willing to pay then buying club will either talk directly to selling club or continue discussions via the agent.
All clubs do this. Strictly speaking it is against the rules but only where a club either doesn't take no for an answer or is just too blatant in their approach would the selling club complain as in the case of Van Dijk last summer.
Frankly the rules are arcane and need an overhaul to reflect the realities of the modern world.
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This still sounds like it could happen...
West Bromwich Albion’s Kieran Gibbs is edging closer to a move to Torino, according to Tuttosport.
The Italian daily reports that Granata officials have flown to England to iron out details of a potential transfer, with Afriyie Acquah rumoured to be heading in the opposite direction.
Acquah is a midfielder apparently
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Won't be sad to see him go. Another big disappointment from last season.
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Acquah is described as a defensive midfielder on Wiki.
Surely not.
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Acquah is described as a defensive midfielder on Wiki.
Surely not.
transfermarkt have him down as a "central midfielder"
https://www.transfermarkt.com/afriyie-acquah/profil/spieler/145581
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Hope there's something in it, he's rubbish.
I'd take a defensive midfielder and give Townsend a chance. Had a quick Google of that Acquah, looks strong and athletic, two things we were missing from a powderpuff midfield display at the weekend.
Would be a good deal if we can get it done.
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Acquah description on wiki:
A strong, talented and tenacious player, Acquah usually plays as a defensive midfielder in front of the defence, due to his pace, physicality, stamina and abilities as a ball-winner.[30][31][32] Although he is primarily known for his defensive coverage, he is a versatile player, who can play anywhere in midfield; he has also been used in more advanced roles, or as a central midfielder, where he is capable of helping his team both offensively and defensively due to his work-rate, composure, temperament, consistency, and ability to make attacking runs into the opposition's penalty area.[30][31][33][34][35][36] Despite his lack of particularly notable technical skills, he has also been used as a deep-lying playmaker on occasion, due to his solid first touch, ability to set the tempo of his team's play and subsequently start attacking plays with long balls after winning back possession.[30][37][38] Although naturally right-footed, he is capable of striking or passing the ball well with either foot.[31] His precocious performances as youngster and energetic playing style in midfield have drawn comparisons with compatriot Michael Essien.[31]
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and seeing how Brunt and Livermore defended on saturday we could do with someone defensive in there.
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transfermarkt have him down as a "central midfielder"
https://www.transfermarkt.com/afriyie-acquah/profil/spieler/145581
A strong, talented and tenacious player, Acquah usually plays as a defensive midfielder in front of the defence, due to his pace, physicality, stamina and abilities as a ball-winner.[
Checking his career stats hes scored 5 in 71 for Torino, certainly not someone who gets himself in the box too much.
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How old is he?
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How old is he?
Acquah is 26, will be 27 in Jan.
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How old is he?
Assuming you mean the player 'reportedly' coming our way, hes 26.
If this rumour does have legs to it, wouldn't that require us to buy another full back?
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Assuming you mean the player 'reportedly' coming our way, hes 26.
If this rumour does have legs to it, wouldn't that require us to buy another full back?
we have Brunt that can play there
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Assuming you mean the player 'reportedly' coming our way, hes 26.
If this rumour does have legs to it, wouldn't that require us to buy another full back?
Brunt? Need someone to drop out of midfield for new signing?
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Assuming you mean the player 'reportedly' coming our way, hes 26.
If this rumour does have legs to it, wouldn't that require us to buy another full back?
Yes unless we are happy to go with Conor Tonwsend and Brunt/Nyom as cover. Only full back interest mentioned in reports is a right back.
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After watching Leeds v Stoke last night how did we not get Barry Douglas from the dingles.
Looks a snip at £3m
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After watching Leeds v Stoke last night how did we not get Barry Douglas from the dingles.
Looks a snip at £3m
Yep, thought exactly the same, much better than Gibbs, would have been ideal.
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This still sounds like it could happen...
West Bromwich Albion’s Kieran Gibbs is edging closer to a move to Torino, according to Tuttosport.
The Italian daily reports that Granata officials have flown to England to iron out details of a potential transfer, with Afriyie Acquah rumoured to be heading in the opposite direction.
Acquah is a midfielder apparently
Would do this in a heartbeat. Gibbs is bad and Acquah is the type of player we need. It seems he can actually run and pass the ball
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I don't mind to let Gibbs go if they make a good offer.
Just want to know the replacement, we must aim for better for a regular starter.
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Gibbs is a massive disappointment for me,didn't he come wanting to improve his defending under Pulis?
I thought he would be a great signing,see you later and get the DM in
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Like many others, I'm not too fussed if we lose Gibbs.
I was quite excited when we signed him in, in the fact I thought he would kick on and look a solid LB for us (after going through the Poco, Davidson era). However he hasn't really done much.
Doesn't offer much going forward in terms of creating a lot, and is usually found wanting when defending.
Happy to see us get some money from him, save on the wages and give this Townsend lad a run of games.
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Like many others, I'm not too fussed if we lose Gibbs.
I was quite excited when we signed him in, in the fact I thought he would kick on and look a solid LB for us (after going through the Poco, Davidson era). However he hasn't really done much.
Doesn't offer much going forward in terms of creating a lot, and is usually found wanting when defending.
Happy to see us get some money from him, save on the wages and give this Townsend lad a run of games.
I'm all for giving Townsend a chance to see what he can do but I think we still need to get another LB in as cover otherwise it'd be the slow aging Brunt or the terrible Nyom...neither option fills me with joy.
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I'm all for giving Townsend a chance to see what he can do but I think we still need to get another LB in as cover otherwise it'd be the slow aging Brunt or the terrible Nyom...neither option fills me with joy.
I don't want to be branded guilty of shoe-horning Brunt into the side but he would be a more than adequate backup full back in this division. He's better than Gibbs for a start.
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Although we have loads of centre midfielders we are still lacking in that department mainly due to poor recruitment in that area. Field, Barry, Brunt, Livermore are all very similar in my book.
We need someone in midfield with athleticism, drive, pace, energy and can pass. We don't have that. I would glady swap Gibbs for someone like this and then allow Brunt to play left back and fight it out with Townsend.
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Although we have loads of centre midfielders we are still lacking in that department mainly due to poor recruitment in that area. Field, Barry, Brunt, Livermore are all very similar in my book.
We need someone in midfield with athleticism, drive, pace, energy and can pass. We don't have that. I would glady swap Gibbs for someone like this and then allow Brunt to play left back and fight it out with Townsend.
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Couldn't have put it any better myself. Someone like Woods from Brentford would be ideal. Maybe this is what the club have lined up swapping Gibbs for another midfielder.
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Gibbs has looked half @rsed for a while so a swap for anyone could be a good move considering he's still probably well paid. A swap with a midfielder with 'legs' to run (!) would be even better. Brunt as cover at left back would do for me , in fact Brunt at left is probably one of the best left backs in the league!
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Just seen that Liverpool have a friendly against Torino tonight, be interesting to see if Gibbs is included (surely if hes in talks with Torino, a lot of those discussions would take place whilst they are in the UK), will also be interesting to see if the Torino lad we are rumoured to be interested in plays.
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Ironic that we were talking for years about needing a proper left back, and now we have one, people are happy to let him go. I actually thought Gibbs was one of our most consistent performers for most of last season
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Ironic that we were talking for years about needing a proper left back, and now we have one, people are happy to let him go. I actually thought Gibbs was one of our most consistent performers for most of last season
Agreed, BUT, if he doesn't want to be here get rid.
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Agreed, BUT, if he doesn't want to be here get rid.
Any source for him saying he doesn't want to be here?
Or is it just people assuming and making rumours?
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Any source for him saying he doesn't want to be here?
Or is it just people assuming and making rumours?
I said 'IF'. He might be buzzing about the Championship season ahead and loves playing for us. God knows..
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Unfortunately the two players I would target to replace him - Barry Douglas and Joe Bryan - have both already gone, so I think we need to keep hold of him now. Townsend will probably need time to adjust to this level.
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As someone else has said Torino are in the country to play Liverpool tonight. Theres a couple of reports on Twitter stating Torino plan further talks with us while they are in the country regarding Gibbs. Will be worth keeping a eye out to see if the Ghanaian we have been linked with is involved.
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Unfortunately the two players I would target to replace him - Barry Douglas and Joe Bryan - have both already gone, so I think we need to keep hold of him now. Townsend will probably need time to adjust to this level.
Joe Bryan hasn't gone anywhere yet but Villa and Boro have bids in. We should be all over it if Gibbs is actually leaving, most of my friends are STH at BCFC and all love him
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The player we are interested in from Torino isn't in their squad against Liverpool tonight.
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Starting tonight so another who isn’t going anywhere just yet.
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Was listening to WM earlier. Sneekes was on and commented on his disgust at the Albion player, left sided, that while attacking, fell over, lost possession and proceeded to walk back while Bolton attacked. He didn’t name him but that was Gibbs as I’m sure many would recall.
I was gobsmacked at the time. He did, literally, amble back while the team were under pressure as a result of his poor play.
Thus may have been discussed elsewhere, but it smacks of “I’m Premier League meâ€. If he can’t change that attitude he’d best push off to Turin sooner rather than later.
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Gibbs like one or two others need to do one!!
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Was listening to WM earlier. Sneekes was on and commented on his disgust at the Albion player, left sided, that while attacking, fell over, lost possession and proceeded to walk back while Bolton attacked. He didn’t name him but that was Gibbs as I’m sure many would recall.
I was gobsmacked at the time. He did, literally, amble back while the team were under pressure as a result of his poor play.
Thus may have been discussed elsewhere, but it smacks of “I’m Premier League meâ€. If he can’t change that attitude he’d best push off to Turin sooner rather than later.
Gibbs was an awful defender at Arsenal and he's been awful for Albion. Entirely predictable outcome. He doesn't close the opposition down, prefers to play the roll of spectator.
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Yes, I saw the incident Sneekes was referring to.. very disappointed. Especially when you hear big Dave shouting at his players on Tuesday night that they have to work.. like they should need telling.? These players really need to get their heads from up their own ass.
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Yes, I saw the incident Sneekes was referring to.. very disappointed. Especially when you hear big Dave shouting at his players on Tuesday night that they have to work.. like they should need telling.? These players really need to get their heads from up their own ass.
Welcome to the Forum Alfie.
I saw it too, similar to last season when he did it after losing the ball and i'm sure Pulis dropped him for a couple of games after that particular hissy fit..
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Apparently... Gibbs to Sporting is front page news in Portugal...
http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-player-front-page-news-portugal-negotiating-sporting/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-player-front-page-news-portugal-negotiating-sporting/)
Would rather he stayed. I think we are going to be juggling with loans if we are not careful. We have 3 already, but can only have 5 in a squad. If we need a loan LB and RB and Barnes and Gayle are shoe-ins to the 1st team that only leaves 1 spot in the squad... and we might want to freshen up midfiled, bring a striker in and utilise Tosin too.
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Apparently... Gibbs to Sporting is front page news in Portugal...
http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-player-front-page-news-portugal-negotiating-sporting/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-player-front-page-news-portugal-negotiating-sporting/)
Would rather he stayed. I think we are going to be juggling with loans if we are not careful. We have 3 already, but can only have 5 in a squad. If we need a loan LB and RB and Barnes and Gayle are shoe-ins to the 1st team that only leaves 1 spot in the squad... and we might want to freshen up midfiled, bring a striker in and utilise Tosin too.
As long as there's a back-up LB in the squad, he doesn't necessarily have to be in the match-day squad as Brunt or Field can fill in there if anything happens to the LB during a match with the back-up coming in for the next game. It's only 4 and a bit months until the next window opens so it's not likely to cause a problem until then at least.
Regarding strikers, while it would be nice to have another option, Gayle and Rodriguez should be enough for now. If Chadli stays then there would be Gayle, Rodriguez, Philips, Barnes, Chadli, Burke, Morrison and yes, even Robson-Kanu to supply goals from now until the end of December. Fulham got promoted with just Mitrovic up front and Sessegnon chipping in, we have a relative embarrassment of riches of options.
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Apparently... Gibbs to Sporting is front page news in Portugal...
http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-player-front-page-news-portugal-negotiating-sporting/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/west-brom-player-front-page-news-portugal-negotiating-sporting/)
Would rather he stayed. I think we are going to be juggling with loans if we are not careful. We have 3 already, but can only have 5 in a squad. If we need a loan LB and RB and Barnes and Gayle are shoe-ins to the 1st team that only leaves 1 spot in the squad... and we might want to freshen up midfiled, bring a striker in and utilise Tosin too.
I don't want him here any more, he obviously thinks he's above the Baggies, I'd rather see Brunt cover there if necessary.
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he obviously thinks he's above the Baggies
Does he? I haven't seen any evidence of that.
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I don't want him here any more, he obviously thinks he's above the Baggies, I'd rather see Brunt cover there if necessary.
I haven’t seen anything to suggest he doesn’t want to be here or that he thinks he’s above us, he’s not the best defensively but he always gives 100% in my opinion.
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I can't put my finger on whether he looks effortless but is trying or looks effortless and doesn't try. Either way i've preferred the look of Townsend there.
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I haven’t seen anything to suggest he doesn’t want to be here or that he thinks he’s above us, he’s not the best defensively but he always gives 100% in my opinion.
Have to disagree on the effort front. Like I posted elsewhere, during the Bolton game he lost possession in their half by falling over the ball. As Bolton broke he climbed to his feet and slowly walked back while the rest of the team struggled to contain the attack.
I’ve nothing against the bloke personally, he is obviously a quality footballer, but I really do question his interest and effort. He looked to me like his heart wasn’t in it.
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Have to disagree on the effort front. Like I posted elsewhere, during the Bolton game he lost possession in their half by falling over the ball. As Bolton broke he climbed to his feet and slowly walked back while the rest of the team struggled to contain the attack.
I’ve nothing against the bloke personally, he is obviously a quality footballer, but I really do question his interest and effort. He looked to me like his heart wasn’t in it.
if one lapse in concentration in the first game of the season means he isn’t giving 100% then of course but he seemed far from not giving 100% when he was bombing forward to get a late cross in against forest for the equaliser
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Fair point. I really didn’t see a lapse of concentration though, I saw a bloke who didn’t look bothered.
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Italian window closed last night which rules out Gibbs to
Torino.
Not sure what other windows are open still
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After his performance today, I hope he's going nowhere. He performs much better in his new position in a 3-4-1-2
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In a back four alongside Hegazi he struggles to get forward as you can't be sure what he leaves behind him. Today he could.
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I don't want him here any more, he obviously thinks he's above the Baggies, I'd rather see Brunt cover there if necessary.
I take it back
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That's the sort of form I was expecting from him,found his position at last.
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Fair point. I really didn’t see a lapse of concentration though, I saw a bloke who didn’t look bothered.
Fair play to him, he certainly looked bothered this afternoon. Great performance.
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Fair play to him, he certainly looked bothered this afternoon. Great performance.
he was up and down that wing all game today, put in a real shift and a great performance, he’s going to find himself in some good positions this season, the club should work with him to improve his crossing and shooting a touch
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Well I have been an advocate of giving Townsend a go, he looked good v Norwich and in the cup. Shows what competition for places does. Gibbs had been pretty poor this season but today he was a contender for motm. Looks far more settled in his wing back role as he's able to get forward and not worry about hegazi. Good finish and good assist also
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I just hope this isn't a flash in the pan for him.
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By far his best performance for us yesterday, the second half at least.
Hopefully the change in system and a bit of serious competition from Townsend has worked wonders and long may it continue.
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Second only to Livermore for man of the match for me yesterday. Class performance.
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Took his goal well and good decision to square to Gayle rather than shoot after that. Do I trust him to defend the back post away at Boro next Friday? No I don't. As a team we're probably better trying to play as high up as we can, as we're not dealing with TP hoof ball and crosses into the box.
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Gibbs had his best game in a long while yesterday and more consistent performances like that are needed.
He, like a couple of others benefit from this new system. It allows him more freedom to get forward knowing full well there are three centre halves and Brunt and Livermore who can cover him if he is caught out of position.
He was a great outlet all game yesterday and allowed us to play with natural width.
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I withdraw earlier comments about Gibbs not being up for it, he looks like he's enjoying being given the freedom to roam forward and chipping in with goals too.
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Playing much better as a wing-back, confidence has improved going forwards.
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Much improved performance from last season. Shows his quality when he goes forward, two goals already this season.
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Everything we've seen so far this season suggests he is being managed much better than last season.
Pulis clearly nullified him
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Everything we've seen so far this season suggests he is being managed much better than last season.
Pulis clearly nullified him
Pulis sucked all the life out of the club, turned the Hawthorns into a depressing fun free place. Good to see Gibbs enjoying his football.
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Everything we've seen so far this season suggests he is being managed much better than last season.
Pulis clearly nullified him
I don't think the Pard' did much for him either to be fair.
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Been excellent going forward which to be fair, you'd expect at this level.
Still lots of questions about him defensively though.
But good solid start to the season.
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First few games he was really poor. But some solid cup performances from Townsend have really helped Gibbs. I would say he's one of our form players at the moment and one of the first names of the team sheet. We get a lot of joy down his left especially at home. Totally nullified my criticism of him early doors. Fair play
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He's far too good for this division, and it shows. Just his touch and technique is miles better. Hopefully we get promotion, and he takes the confidence built up this season into the Premier League next season.
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Been really impressed with Gibbs. He really is Premiership quality. In the modern game its so important having backs who can get forward and cause extra danger and options from the flanks. He is technically good on the ball and frequently able to get goalside of his opponent and get in dangerous crosses.
Just need his equivalent on the right side.
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Report seem suggest newcastle want Gibbs, Rondon and Livermore.
I would gladly let all 3 go for £30m.
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Report seem suggest newcastle want Gibbs, Rondon and Livermore.
I would gladly let all 3 go for £30m.
I'd take £20 million now if it meant Livermore was off the books, Gibbs wages must be killing us so £3.5 million isn't bad...
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I'd take £20 million now if it meant Livermore was off the books, Gibbs wages must be killing us so £3.5 million isn't bad...
I wouldn't be so eager to let Gibbs go. It took us light years to find a decent footballing left back. I would be looking to offload others before him.
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I'd take £20 million now if it meant Livermore was off the books, Gibbs wages must be killing us so £3.5 million isn't bad...
i'd take 15 mil if we got Gayle in exchange. surely those 3 would more than cover his wages
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The reason why Newcastle did not trigger Rondon's release clause is they did not want to sign a 29 year old for a significant fee. I think whoever is responsible for this story is overlooking a very important fact that Gibbs and Livermore are of a similar age. It is a none runner.
Even if it were true it does not mean Gayle will be returning to the Hawthorns the wage issue has not gone away and while we have lost the wages of Livermore and Gibbs we still have to replace them in the squad.
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But that was down to Ashley’s policy of not paying significant transfer fees for 29/30 year olds. He and Benitez were at loggerheads over that. If Ashley is selling up then Benitez may get his wish.
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The story of Newcastle wanting those 3 players is just a rehash from January, they were the only website that reported it then and all they've done is taken that paragraph from Matt Wilson saying we could be looking to offload them to write an update about how that gives Newcastle hope. I think the story is a load of garbage!
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The reason why Newcastle did not trigger Rondon's release clause is they did not want to sign a 29 year old for a significant fee. I think whoever is responsible for this story is overlooking a very important fact that Gibbs and Livermore are of a similar age. It is a none runner.
Even if it were true it does not mean Gayle will be returning to the Hawthorns the wage issue has not gone away and while we have lost the wages of Livermore and Gibbs we still have to replace them in the squad.
...And how old is Gayle, who Newcastle reportedly want £20m for? How well has he done in the PL?
Edit... and I've just seen you make exactly the same point on another thread I was catching up on. My frsutrations are getting ahead of me...
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I would not want Gayle on a permanent transfer. His pace will start to go in the next couple of seasons and despite his finishing ability he is unable to come close to replicating his Championship goal scoring exploits in the Premier League.
If we can fudge through a further season long loan I'd welcome it but nothing more than that.
Regards Gibbs it'll be a shame to lose him, but he'll be one of the higher earners at the club.
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I wouldn't be so eager to let Gibbs go. It took us light years to find a decent footballing left back. I would be looking to offload others before him.
I disagree, we had Marek Cech but refused to play him over Robbo. We later had Sebastien Pocognoli who looked very good when he played but was disused by Pulis due to being an actual full back.
Admittedly, we have had our fair share of dross there also; Tininho, Shorey, Mattock, Ridgewell, Popov (I'm sure I'm forgetting some).
I like Gibbs and would like him to stay, but if we're serious about this "rebuild" we need to be looking ahead and at least getting someone in who can come through and replace him as he heads into his 30s, as I'm not convinced by Townsend and we'll need at least 2 anyway.
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I'd take £20 million now if it meant Livermore was off the books, Gibbs wages must be killing us so £3.5 million isn't bad...
16.5 - Sal
3.5 Gibbs
jake on a free LOL!!
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I disagree, we had Marek Cech but refused to play him over Robbo. We later had Sebastien Pocognoli who looked very good when he played but was disused by Pulis due to being an actual full back.
Admittedly, we have had our fair share of dross there also; Tininho, Shorey, Mattock, Ridgewell, Popov (I'm sure I'm forgetting some).
I like Gibbs and would like him to stay, but if we're serious about this "rebuild" we need to be looking ahead and at least getting someone in who can come through and replace him as he heads into his 30s, as I'm not convinced by Townsend and we'll need at least 2 anyway.
Pocognoli was rubbish. Awful player.
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Admittedly, we have had our fair share of dross there also; Tininho, Shorey, Mattock, Ridgewell, Popov (I'm sure I'm forgetting some).
He wasn't a world beater, but I'm not having Liam Ridgewell lumped in with the rest of that list. Fernando Derveld, Ifane Udeze, etc certainly, but Ridgewell was average, not dross.
Shorey was also much better than many give him credit for.
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Pocognoli was rubbish. Awful player.
He wasn't rubbish, he just didn't suit the English game. A very continental defender asked to play a way that wasn't his game.
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I always have mixed feelings on Gibbs as he's easy on the eye and fluent on the ball , the other side of that though is I feel he lacks basics at times like closing down or stopping a cross .
Great character , good effort but I'd be tempted to sell for the right price.
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I always have mixed feelings on Gibbs as he's easy on the eye and fluent on the ball , the other side of that though is I feel he lacks basics at times like closing down or stopping a cross .
Great character , good effort but I'd be tempted to sell for the right price.
Agreed, I have felt that for a long time and feel a lot of goals come from his side and that is why I said I'd sell him along with the other 2.
I don't rate rondon and I have had enough of Livermore and feel we need someone more mobile and with more energy than him.
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I always have mixed feelings on Gibbs as he's easy on the eye and fluent on the ball , the other side of that though is I feel he lacks basics at times like closing down or stopping a cross .
Great character , good effort but I'd be tempted to sell for the right price.
I agree. He doesn't vary his decision making when he gets high up the pitch either. Never does he cross first time, never does he go outside a man. He can't be that difficult to defend against.
I'd sell given the right price.
As for Livermore he's the first one I'd sell. He is genuinely poor. God knows what head coaches see in him.
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this is crazy. you must be talking about "in an ideal world" right?
in an ideal world where we have a manager, where there are plenty of younger left-backs with more talent and ability than KG, where we have an owner prepared to spend money on actual transfers rather than loan signings, where we are an attractive club which players actually want to play for...
yeah in that kind of world it would be great to sell KG...
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We would never replace Gibbs with a player as good as him for £3.5m. Cornish has it spot on
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If we sell Gibbs I’d bet my left arm and leg that the left back coming in wouldn’t even be half as good as Gibbs. People should really be careful what they wish for. Gibbs is one of the last players I’d be picky over
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If we sell Gibbs I’d bet my left arm and leg that the left back coming in wouldn’t even be half as good as Gibbs. People should really be careful what they wish for. Gibbs is one of the last players I’d be picky over
I agree it took us long enough to get a specialist in that position and some fans want him out, albeit for the right, non footballing, reasons
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Gibbs was one of our better players last season and Townsend can certainly learn from him. He probably is a big earner but realistically if he goes it'll probably be Townsend as next season's number 3 and he blown hot and cold when he deputised for Gibbs. Unfortunately, he blew hot and cold in the same games and never really had 1 good game imo.
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I agree it took us long enough to get a specialist in that position and some fans want him out, albeit for the right, non footballing, reasons
Madness mate , same with the other players we have that could leave aswell. Some fans moaning about Rodriguez this season same again if he goes the replacement won’t be anywhere near as good as him . Same with Hegazi , Phillips and Dawson . If they leave the replacements coming in won’t be at their level and I don’t particularly think these players are outstanding. These players will more then likely go to premier league clubs.
Personally I’d like us to keep Gibbs , Hegazi and Rodriguez, build the team round them.
Dawson would be nice to keep but if we got silly money ( the rumoured 15 million) for him I’d take it. Phillips is a great player but unfortunately isn’t fit enough and again if we got silly money for him I’d sell him. If he stayed fit all season he would be another one I’d build around.
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He missed 17 league games this season due to injury. I think we missed him more at times than Phillips, he could both attack and defend very well. I honestly think if he stayed fit for the entire season we may have gone up automatically, he was that good at times...as said getting a specialist in that position is no easy task.
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Madness mate , same with the other players we have that could leave aswell. Some fans moaning about Rodriguez this season same again if he goes the replacement won’t be anywhere near as good as him . Same with Hegazi , Phillips and Dawson . If they leave the replacements coming in won’t be at their level and I don’t particularly think these players are outstanding. These players will more then likely go to premier league clubs.
Personally I’d like us to keep Gibbs , Hegazi and Rodriguez, build the team round them.
Dawson would be nice to keep but if we got silly money ( the rumoured 15 million) for him I’d take it. Phillips is a great player but unfortunately isn’t fit enough and again if we got silly money for him I’d sell him. If he stayed fit all season he would be another one I’d build around.
Totally disagree, two very average footballers who won't be that difficult to replace.
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Totally disagree, two very average footballers who won't be that difficult to replace.
We will agree to disagree mate but if we sell Rodriguez and get a striker in that gets 20 plus goals then you will be right. Don’t see it myself , if Rodriguez goes then I hope your right
We’ve lost Gayle if we lose Rodriguez that’s 50 goals we’ve got to find next season
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Madness mate , same with the other players we have that could leave aswell. Some fans moaning about Rodriguez this season same again if he goes the replacement won’t be anywhere near as good as him . Same with Hegazi , Phillips and Dawson . If they leave the replacements coming in won’t be at their level and I don’t particularly think these players are outstanding. These players will more then likely go to premier league clubs.
Personally I’d like us to keep Gibbs , Hegazi and Rodriguez, build the team round them.
Dawson would be nice to keep but if we got silly money ( the rumoured 15 million) for him I’d take it. Phillips is a great player but unfortunately isn’t fit enough and again if we got silly money for him I’d sell him. If he stayed fit all season he would be another one I’d build around.
I agree with alot of this. These fans who think we are going to get instant replacements who are upgrades. It's just not as easy as that. Remember, we are now just a Championship side, and so we are less attractive to the type of players who could improve us. Agreed, we have to adjust to our new reduced budget, but we have to be careful about offloading our best assets, unless we are certain we've got adequate replacements lined up.
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I agree with alot of this. These fans who think we are going to get instant replacements who are upgrades. It's just not as easy as that. Remember, we are now just a Championship side, and so we are less attractive to the type of players who could improve us. Agreed, we have to adjust to our new reduced budget, but we have to be careful about offloading our best assets, unless we are certain we've got adequate replacements lined up.
We can only hope we appoint a foreign coach with knowledge of quality, value for money players, who will come to the Championship with the hope of proving themselves to bigger clubs, but I totally agree with you.
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We will agree to disagree mate but if we sell Rodriguez and get a striker in that gets 20 plus goals then you will be right. Don’t see it myself , if Rodriguez goes then I hope your right
We’ve lost Gayle if we lose Rodriguez that’s 50 goals we’ve got to find next season
13 goals will be a fine return without Gayle winning penalties. This is closer to a true reflection of Jay Rodriguez contribution this season.
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13 goals will be a fine return without Gayle winning penalties. This is closer to a true reflection of Jay Rodriguez contribution this season.
To have a more balanced view, penalties need to be scored as was demonstrated in our game against the vile, I wish he had taken all five, we'd have been in the final
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To have a more balanced view, penalties need to be scored as was demonstrated in our game against the vile, I wish he had taken all five, we'd have been in the final
Who's winning them for him? He certainly doesn't win any himself.
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Who's winning them for him? He certainly doesn't win any himself.
It's not about winning the penalty in the final analysis, who remembers the person fouled for the penalty? We all remember the person that missed and it seems we devalue those that scored.
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It's not about winning the penalty in the final analysis, who remembers the person fouled for the penalty? We all remember the person that missed and it seems we devalue those that scored.
Bit odd, there is no penalty without someone winning it?
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True enough he doesn’t win many but he sure as hell scores them. Penalty kicks still have to be scored
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Bit odd, there is no penalty without someone winning it?
You can run, but you can’t hide, metaphorically speaking :D ;D :D
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Wow.
According to some fans we cannot adequately replace Gibbs, Phillips, Dawson, Rodriguez .......... .
Someone remind me where we finished again?
Someone remind me where we finished the season before as well?
That's nearly half a team. If they are that good the others must be absolutely dire given what we've failed to achieve over the last couple of seasons.
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Wow.
According to some fans we cannot adequately replace Gibbs, Phillips, Dawson, Rodriguez .......... .
Someone remind me where we finished again?
Someone remind me where we finished the season before as well?
That's nearly half a team. If they are that good the others must be absolutely dire given what we've failed to achieve over the last couple of seasons.
Great point but like I said before mate I’m still of the opinion that any of them players leave and their replacement isn’t going to be anywhere near as good . The players leaving aren’t great either. Which spells scary times ahead for the club
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Great point but like I said before mate I’m still of the opinion that any of them players leave and their replacement isn’t going to be anywhere near as good . The players leaving aren’t great either. Which spells scary times ahead for the club
Why?
It's a matter of perception. When a player plays for a club someone supports they are seen as either better than they really are or worse than they really are because it matters to us. It's a bit like when a player isn't being picked and fans think they should be they are thought of as better than they really are.
None of the players listed are anything brilliant. They are good footballers in their own right but none of them are irreplaceable. Just an example - if we replaced Jay Rodriguez with Neil Maupay (depending on the way the new head coach wants to play etc) would that really be a backward step?
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Wow.
According to some fans we cannot adequately replace Gibbs, Phillips, Dawson, Rodriguez .......... .
Someone remind me where we finished again?
Someone remind me where we finished the season before as well?
That's nearly half a team. If they are that good the others must be absolutely dire given what we've failed to achieve over the last couple of seasons.
Reece James loan
Ollie Watkins
Tosin loan
Harry Wilson/Danny ings/oumar niasse. Loan
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Reece James loan
Ollie Watkins
Tosin loan
Harry Wilson/Danny ings/oumar niasse. Loan
At least you'll have to stop touting AVB ;D
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Reece James loan
Ollie Watkins
Tosin loan
Harry Wilson/Danny ings/oumar niasse. Loan
Reece James - won Wigans player of the year, imagine Chelsea will try get him premier league football next season somewhere.
Tosin - possibility, if Dawson/Hegazi leave and dependant on our new boss, I could see us going back and getting him for another year as he would probably be first choice alongside Bartley.
Harry Wilson - wont be playing championship football next year, and if he does it'll be back at Derby. Liverpool want 25 million for him, can see him going on loan to a prem team.
Ings - no chance.
Niasse - could probably get him in on a perm. Totally forgot about him would be a good addition in this league.
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Can we please keep this thread relevant to Kieran Gibbs.
Other player discussions need to go in their threads or in the signings for the championship thread.
cheers
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Not in the squad today... ???
Does this mean he is on the way? Would be a big loss.
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Not in the squad today... ???
Does this mean he is on the way? Would be a big loss.
I don't think it would, I think Townsend is better now. Gibbs regressing for me, he's either giving penalties away or not closing crosses down. I'd be making Townsend first choice left back regardless of whether or not Gibbs stays.
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I don't think it would, I think Townsend is better now. Gibbs regressing for me, he's either giving penalties away or not closing crosses down. I'd be making Townsend first choice left back regardless of whether or not Gibbs stays.
Interesting point, but I think Gibbs offers us pace
I did like Townsend 's passing last year as he does look forward but he isn't the quickest.
At least we are adding more pace across the squad generally with two new signings but I do believe ee must keep the pace we had.
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Gibbs just got a knock apparently he’s not off.
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Hope Gibbs stays. Townsend is poor IMO.
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Just a knock but gone to see a specialist :-\
New signings Kenneth Zohore and Semi Ajayi on the Baggies bench, while Kieran Gibbs is not in the squad at all. Been told Gibbs has just got a knock, not that he's off. Apparently gone to see a specialist. https://t.co/25OqqwHOeD
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kieran-gibbs-injury-west-brom-16619333?fbclid=IwAR1m8PRJOx8GO3rCRoiq8QcHaopmRmSBlbcvexytjuYYD5JZuOPHpfsyW2o
Knock in training
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I don't think it would, I think Townsend is better now. Gibbs regressing for me, he's either giving penalties away or not closing crosses down. I'd be making Townsend first choice left back regardless of whether or not Gibbs stays.
Very surprised at this. Gibbs streets ahead of Townsend imo.
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Very surprised at this. Gibbs streets ahead of Townsend imo.
I know a lot of fans think Gibbs is a Rolls Royce. I don't agree, he's proved too costly for the most part last season. Townsend has improved all the time since he's been at the club. Made the first goal today as well. Also made the forth.
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I know a lot of fans think Gibbs is a Rolls Royce. I don't agree, he's proved too costly for the most part last season. Townsend has improved all the time since he's been at the club. Made the first goal today as well. Also made the forth.
Maybe there's a place for both. I don't want to see Gibbs leave. He is a good allround footballer. We've seen enough good players leave in this window. Just means we'd be looking for another replacement.
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Maybe there's a place for both. I don't want to see Gibbs leave. He is a good allround footballer. We've seen enough good players leave in this window. Just means we'd be looking for another replacement.
Agreed, he has proven quality and pedigree and is a valuable member of the squad imo
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We need to keep Gibbs as first choice, and keep Townsend as back up if Gibbs loses form then in steps Townsend win win imo.
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I don't think it would, I think Townsend is better now. Gibbs regressing for me, he's either giving penalties away or not closing crosses down. I'd be making Townsend first choice left back regardless of whether or not Gibbs stays.
Have you spent a bit too long in the Sportsman before games? :P
Gibbs isn't the best defensively, but has obvious quality on the ball and going forward. He's perfect for a team that should be more concerned with attacking than being attacked. If we can keep him this summer, I think that's great.
Townsend meanwhile is a bang average Championship player. He tries hard, but he's limited. If he was our left back in the Premier League we'd concede loads from that side.
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Have you spent a bit too long in the Sportsman before games? :P
Gibbs isn't the best defensively, but has obvious quality on the ball and going forward. He's perfect for a team that should be more concerned with attacking than being attacked. If we can keep him this summer, I think that's great.
Townsend meanwhile is a bang average Championship player. He tries hard, but he's limited. If he was our left back in the Premier League we'd concede loads from that side.
Totally disagree. Gibbs' reputation is build on his name and his so called pedigree. If you ignore that and analyse his performances you'll find he's not really that great.
Just to pick you up on a point - let's just concentrate on one opponent - Aston Villa. League game at home, Gibbs at fault for both of their goals, both coming down his side. Especially the first one, I was right behind that and Gibbs reacted way too slow. Then against them in the play off's dives in against Grealish which gave them the penalty that ultimately cost us the tie. That's just one team.
Townsend is "bang average" is a view based on he's come from a lower league team and doesn't have the reputation that Gibbs has. If you ignore all that and you were beamed from space and asked to judge on the better player you'd choose Townsend.
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Totally disagree. Gibbs' reputation is build on his name and his so called pedigree. If you ignore that and analyse his performances you'll find he's not really that great.
Just to pick you up on a point - let's just concentrate on one opponent - Aston Villa. League game at home, Gibbs at fault for both of their goals, both coming down his side. Especially the first one, I was right behind that and Gibbs reacted way too slow. Then against them in the play off's dives in against Grealish which gave them the penalty that ultimately cost us the tie. That's just one team.
Townsend is "bang average" is a view based on he's come from a lower league team and doesn't have the reputation that Gibbs has. If you ignore all that and you were beamed from space and asked to judge on the better player you'd choose Townsend.
If I may?
I don’t think Townsend is better than Gibbs at present, and whilst I think Gibbs was probably the best LB in the division last season...I do have some reservations about him..
The last 10-12 games of the season he looked like he’d lost something, there didn’t seem to be a willingness to go past a player that was certainly there first half of the season ..
If someone offered 5m I’d be tempted
But I think we would need a straight in replacement....although Townsend has improved
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Totally disagree. Gibbs' reputation is build on his name and his so called pedigree. If you ignore that and analyse his performances you'll find he's not really that great.
Just to pick you up on a point - let's just concentrate on one opponent - Aston Villa. League game at home, Gibbs at fault for both of their goals, both coming down his side. Especially the first one, I was right behind that and Gibbs reacted way too slow. Then against them in the play off's dives in against Grealish which gave them the penalty that ultimately cost us the tie. That's just one team.
Townsend is "bang average" is a view based on he's come from a lower league team and doesn't have the reputation that Gibbs has. If you ignore all that and you were beamed from space and asked to judge on the better player you'd choose Townsend.
You really wouldn't.
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You really wouldn't.
Agree. Our form dipped without Gibbs last season. Townsend was at fault for far more goals too when he was playing. I like Townsend but defensively he's still very fragile and loses his man too much.
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Gibbs is a steady fullback and probably as good as we could have at this level, hes prone to mistakes but doubt Townsend will ever be as good. it's a position that we don't need to worry about atm.
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Totally disagree. Gibbs' reputation is build on his name and his so called pedigree. If you ignore that and analyse his performances you'll find he's not really that great.
Just to pick you up on a point - let's just concentrate on one opponent - Aston Villa. League game at home, Gibbs at fault for both of their goals, both coming down his side. Especially the first one, I was right behind that and Gibbs reacted way too slow. Then against them in the play off's dives in against Grealish which gave them the penalty that ultimately cost us the tie. That's just one team.
Townsend is "bang average" is a view based on he's come from a lower league team and doesn't have the reputation that Gibbs has. If you ignore all that and you were beamed from space and asked to judge on the better player you'd choose Townsend.
I would never choose Townsend over Gibbs he as done absolutely nothing to make me think otherwise and to be honest i can't see how you think that apart from you don't like Gibbs,
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Townsend is a decent full back but having watched Gibbs over the years there is not a chance Townsend will come to close to being as good as him
Saying Gibbs reputation is built on his name is ridiculous....how did he get to having a reputation without first being a decent player
Gibbs all day month for me
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Townsend is a decent full back but having watched Gibbs over the years there is not a chance Townsend will come to close to being as good as him
Saying Gibbs reputation is built on his name is ridiculous....how did he get to having a reputation without first being a decent player
Gibbs all day month for me
I didn't say he wasn't a decent player I said he's not the player he was. Players don't stay at the same level. What does generally stay the same or at least takes a lot to shift is people's opinions, once they've made them they tend to stick to them. That I believe is what's happening with Gibbs, his performances have not matched fans perception s of him.
You said yourself "having watched Gibbs over the years". Your perception of Gibbs isn't based on recent performances but your overall perception of him.
Just my opinion of course and I knew when I shared it it would be a minority one but that won't deter me, minority views are by no means always wrong.
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Gibbs is too injury prone, good full back at this level when fit, weak in the PL.
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I have said it on this thread before, but a lot of the goals we concede come from KB side of the pitch.
Great going forward but an average defender who I would sell if we got our money back.
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Gibbs is too injury prone, good full back at this level when fit, weak in the PL.
Injury prone? Really? He played 33 games in the premier league for us and 38 last season and that's only league games. I wouldn't call that injury prone.
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Think Gibbs is technically far superior. His first touch and general ball control is streets ahead of Townsend.
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I have said it on this thread before, but a lot of the goals we concede come from KB side of the pitch.
Great going forward but an average defender who I would sell if we got our money back.
I think alot of people underrate the importance of good intelligent overlapping full backs, of which Gibbs is one of the best examples in the division. The forwards definitely benefited from Gibbs support, and indeed he got on the scoresheet himself.
Yes, we conceded alot of goals from the left side of the pitch. We also conceded alot of goals from the right side of the pitch.
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I think alot of people underrate the importance of good intelligent overlapping full backs, of which Gibbs is one of the best examples in the division. The forwards definitely benefited from Gibbs support, and indeed he got on the scoresheet himself.
Yes, we conceded alot of goals from the left side of the pitch. We also conceded alot of goals from the right side of the pitch.
We conceded a lot of goals. Fullstop.
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Townsend better than Gibbs? :-X
Officially heard it all now
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Think Gibbs is technically far superior. His first touch and general ball control is streets ahead of Townsend.
Agree and is isn't so one footed as Townsend IMHO. Gibbs is a class above.
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Some of the things i'm reading here are mad! Gibbs is really good. Couldn't believe it when we signed him, couldn't believe it when we kept him last year and can't believe we still have him!
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Gibbs is much better than Townsend.
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Gibbs is much better than Townsend.
An understatement
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I thought Gibbs was our 3rd best player last season, behind Gayle and Barnes. No one left in our squad had as positive an impact on the team going forward. Of course there are weaknesses to his game; if there wasn't, he wouldn't be here. It's also not entirely fair to put our defensive frailties on him. His role last season was much more focused on going forward, as was Holgate's. It was the job of one of the midfielders (usually Brunt or Barry) to drop in and help the centre backs.
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I didn't say he wasn't a decent player I said he's not the player he was. Players don't stay at the same level. What does generally stay the same or at least takes a lot to shift is people's opinions, once they've made them they tend to stick to them. That I believe is what's happening with Gibbs, his performances have not matched fans perception s of him.
You said yourself "having watched Gibbs over the years". Your perception of Gibbs isn't based on recent performances but your overall perception of him.
Just my opinion of course and I knew when I shared it it would be a minority one but that won't deter me, minority views are by no means always wrong.
just because your opinion may not change does not mean everybody elses does not. i think i can make my own opinion and if a player improves then i am happy to change that view thank you.
and in my opinion, Townsend is a bottom half championship left back and Gibbs is a premier league full back. Gibbs will always get caught because of how much he gets forward. Townsend may improve and become a better player but at the moment hes not good enough really for our team other than just back up.
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Best LB i've seen play for us in the 30 years ive been going up there!
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Best LB i've seen play for us in the 30 years ive been going up there!
He is O.K , staggering that he has one more England cap than Decka though, bloody criminal!
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He is O.K , staggering that he has one more England cap than Decka though, bloody criminal!
Statham was just before my time, but I struggle to think of one as good as Gibbs in the period i've been going,admittedly there has not been much competition over the years though!
I think a LB in DS years was literally just a defender who would rarely pass the halfway line, these days they have to be an all rounder and be just as good as an attacking threat too, for me Gibbs is wasted in the Championship and luckily for us we have him.
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Statham was just before my time, but I struggle to think of one as good as Gibbs in the period i've been going,admittedly there has not been much competition over the years though!
I think a LB in DS years was literally just a defender who would rarely pass the halfway line, these days they have to be an all rounder and be just as good as an attacking threat too, for me Gibbs is wasted in the Championship and luckily for us we have him.
As you said you never saw DS. he was a marvellous athlete for his stature and got forward regularly delivering telling crosses, He was not a wing back but a VERY VERY good full back
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As you said you never saw DS. he was a marvellous athlete for his stature and got forward regularly delivering telling crosses, He was not a wing back but a VERY VERY good full back
My point was I believe KG has it all and is better than anyone I have seen at LB/FB for us, unfortunately I cannot compare to DS as I never saw him play but others who have still rave about him so he obviously had it all, not that I actually was comparing.....
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My point was I believe KG has it all and is better than anyone I have seen at LB/FB for us, unfortunately I cannot compare to DS as I never saw him play but others who have still rave about him so he obviously had it all, not that I actually was comparing.....
I wasn't reading that you were making a comparison, what I tried to say (and failed) was that Dekka was more than just a traditional straight back line full back, he was amongst the first to break that mould, apologies if it came across differently
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Good to see him back and getting on the score sheet 8) .
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Good to see him back and getting on the score sheet 8) .
Agreed. Our best left back by a country mile and gives you the balance on that side that you do not get with a right footer there
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Kieran Gibbs will miss between four and five weeks with his latest injury set-back, West Brom boss Slaven Bilic has confirmed.
Im disappointed for the lad, he hasn’t had much luck with injuries. I think we might need to get a left back during the January transfer window
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Kieran Gibbs will miss between four and five weeks with his latest injury set-back, West Brom boss Slaven Bilic has confirmed.
Im disappointed for the lad, he hasn’t had much luck with injuries. I think we might need to get a left back during the January transfer window
Christ not sure I can take 6 or 7 games of Townsend on the trot.
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Kieran Gibbs will miss between four and five weeks with his latest injury set-back, West Brom boss Slaven Bilic has confirmed.
Im disappointed for the lad, he hasn’t had much luck with injuries. I think we might need to get a left back during the January transfer window
If this is the same hamstring, did we get it wrong at first ? The way Gibbs went down distraught and hitting the ground when he first did it against Swansea I think, he clearly thought it was serious....then they announced he would be out for just 1 week. He was actually out for 2 weeks then came back and had further problems and now he's out for 4 or 5 weeks. It seems he came back too soon after the initial problem.
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Christ not sure I can take 6 or 7 games of Townsend on the trot.
I fail to see why Brunty can't be considered for left back. He would do fine there, for at least 60-70 mins, with the added bonus of his whipped crosses, and his corner taking,
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I fail to see why Brunty can't be considered for left back. He would do fine there, for at least 60-70 mins, with the added bonus of his whipped crosses, and his corner taking,
Absolutely agree with this. Even if for the last 20, whipping the ball in.
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Absolutely agree with this. Even if for the last 20, whipping the ball in.
Not sure the EFL will allow us to play just the last 20, which means either Ferguson (preferred option) or Townsend
But if we are already deciding that brunt comes on for the last 20 , isn’t that demoralising for the starter and a waste of a sub
Brunt cannot play 90 mins against top championship players at left back
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Not sure the EFL will allow us to play just the last 20, which means either Ferguson (preferred option) or Townsend
But if we are already deciding that brunt comes on for the last 20 , isn’t that demoralising for the starter and a waste of a sub
Brunt cannot play 90 mins against top championship players at left back
if townsend can play against "top championship players at left back" then so can Chris brunt imo.
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If Brunt it up against a fast, tricky winger then he's doomed at LB. You can make up for a lot with a bit of pace, which Brunt has none and his defending has never been great. If we are up by a goal or two then I could see it being worthwhile, but starting would be a big risk.
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Anyone know how long Keiran Gibbs has left on his contract? Been with us 3 seasons now
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End of 20/21 season it runs out. He will be 31 then.
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Back in action for the under 23's today. Pray that he makes it through the game unscathed.
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Saw Diaby is playing too. Is that his first game for us at any level?
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Be great when Gibbs back. Best left back at the club.
^ I'm sure I seen Diaby scored a few days ago?
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Diaby's 2nd game I believe, hope we don't get the same nonsense as we had with Willock. Already starting on twitter.
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Back in action for the under 23's today. Pray that he makes it through the game unscathed.
That's really encouraging news.
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Diaby's 2nd game I believe, hope we don't get the same nonsense as we had with Willock. Already starting on twitter.
Willock did at least get game time though not sure e got a kick, came on as a 90th minute sub for Huddersfield.
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Gibbs played 45 minutes in a 1-0 defeat v Newcastle
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Gibbs really is a class act and our best left back. However you can’t rely on players with his injury record. It’s not just with us it has occurred through out his career.
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No player should think he has the right to walk straight back into a team after a injury especially if the player in his position is playing well, yes I think Townsend earnt is starting place.
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I’m certainly not advocating that Gibbs walks back into the team. It has to be good news that he is nearing fitness though surely?
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Diangana and Gibbs down the left from March onwards will be like new signings.
Think Townsend is no better than this level but can cope until he is back
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Gibbs walks straight back into the team when fully fit for me. Always play your best players, it's not as if he had a dip in form that resulted in him being dropped, he is a far better player than Townsend.
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Who was it who said that Gibbs is one of the worst players he's ever seen or some such rubbish?
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Who was it who said that Gibbs is one of the worst players he's ever seen or some such rubbish?
Someone with a different opinion to your own?
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Who was it who said that Gibbs is one of the worst players he's ever seen or some such rubbish?
Hes over-rated but he ain't that bad.
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best left back in the league by a country mile.
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The hamstring twinge that Kieran Gibbs felt in West Brom’s win over Hull City on Sunday was an ‘extremely minimal one’, boss Slaven Bilic has confirmed.
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The hamstring twinge that Kieran Gibbs felt in West Brom’s win over Hull City on Sunday was an ‘extremely minimal one’, boss Slaven Bilic has confirmed.
Thank goodness, hopefully be fit Wednesday.
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Good to know. If fit he will start, and so he should. Quality player.
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Thank goodness, hopefully be fit Wednesday.
Think Bilic ruled that out latter in the same interview but possibly might be okay for the weekend.
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Think Bilic ruled that out latter in the same interview but possibly might be okay for the weekend.
Cheers Stan
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Wonder if Gibbs has a bit of a mental hurdle to overcome here with this.
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Wonder if Gibbs has a bit of a mental hurdle to overcome here with this.
I think that is spot on, if you watch the footage he is shaking his head and saying he is off before the physio has got to him. I accept "you know your own body" but KG does seem SO susceptible to niggles you have to wonder if other more driven players would run them off.
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His hamstring problems are likely only to get worse. It's a recurring injury in ageing footballer.
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Yep only downhill for him from here in terms of gametime due to injury. Shame.
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Yep only downhill for him from here in terms of gametime due to injury. Shame.
it could be the reason behind our (supposed) interest in Antonee Robinson.
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I think that is spot on, if you watch the footage he is shaking his head and saying he is off before the physio has got to him. I accept "you know your own body" but KG does seem SO susceptible to niggles you have to wonder if other more driven players would run them off.
Remember Sick Vic? He was almost psychic ::) Could sense an injury coming before a tackle was even made! Sturridge the same.
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Remember Sick Vic? He was almost psychic ::) Could sense an injury coming before a tackle was even made! Sturridge the same.
very true, my abiding memory of Vic will be when Pulis played him in centre midfield at Naarwich away, I have never seen a grown man look so lost. it was so bad it was funny.
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He's only actually played 70 odd games in 3 years. Should have passed 100 by now. Shame.
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it could be the reason behind our (supposed) interest in Antonee Robinson.
Quite possibly and combined with the fact we would need to improve on CT if we go up as well.
He's only actually played 70 odd games in 3 years. Should have passed 100 by now. Shame.
Averaged around 17 appearances a season in his PL tenure from 2007-2018 although some of that will be due to him being in and out the team at Arsenal.
Clearly struggling this season and things are unlikely to improve.
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He's only actually played 70 odd games in 3 years. Should have passed 100 by now. Shame.
He's played 89 games for us in all competitions including last season's play offs, 83 of his appearances have been in the league
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He's had 2 decent seasons with us in terms of appearances and generally being available more often than not. Yet this one unfortunately have started to resemble his last two with Arsenal which were dogged by injury. Unfortunately he is at the point in his career where this won't get better.
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He's played 89 games for us in all competitions including last season's play offs, 83 of his appearances have been in the league
Pesky, pesky facts.
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Is he fit for tonight? Need him and Hegazi back in.
Bartley and Townsend...christ.
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Is he fit for tonight? Need him and Hegazi back in.
Bartley and Townsend...christ.
Haven't heard anything beyond it not being serious, but I really, really hope so.
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Haven't heard anything beyond it not being serious, but I really, really hope so.
Mitrovic and Knockaert would have a field day if Gibbs and Hegazi are not back in.
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Mitrovic and Knockaert would have a field day if Gibbs and Hegazi are not back in.
Isn’t Mitrovic suspended?
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Isn’t Mitrovic suspended?
Don’t think so, his 3 game suspension has already been served
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Isn’t Mitrovic suspended?
Sadly not. Scored the other day.
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Gibbs not ready until the Huddersfield game so I read somewhere.
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With Gibbs out, I have said before, could we have a case for brunt and left back? I know he has not played much, but he has played here against top sides in the prem at left back
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Not against Fulham for me, we need to stop the crosses coming into the box.
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From the E&S
Albion enter tonight’s game almost at full strength with Kieran Gibbs their only absentee.
The full-back injured his hamstring in the win over Hull. But Bilic is hopeful the former England man will be available for the final day clash with QPR.
“He (Gibbs) had a run on Sunday and it was good,†the boss added. “He could be OK for the last game maybe.â€
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He's definitely out tonight, sadly. I think Slav will start with Hegazi though, probably with Bartley. The main aim being to nullify Mitrovic.
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Could really do with him back on friday, Townsend is showing just how limited he is.
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Could really do with him back on friday, Townsend is showing just how limited he is.
Definitely, he was very poor.
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Slav ready to listen to offers for Gibbs according to the Perce.
Surprising, but can’t blame him - I like him as a player but there are simply too many injuries. I physically can’t see him ever playing a full season.
Also mentioned Burke and Zohore, too (no surprise there).
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No problem with Gibbs going but we need CT gone too. Get Robinson in and one more.
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Slav ready to listen to offers for Gibbs according to the Perce.
Surprising, but can’t blame him - I like him as a player but there are simply too many injuries. I physically can’t see him ever playing a full season.
Also mentioned Burke and Zohore, too (no surprise there).
Also mentioned Field and Leko. Will be interesting if they are loans or transfers.
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Behind a paywall but it's all a bit pie in the sky. Will anyone match Gibbs wages? Is left back really a priority area considering the obvious issues in the spine?
As for Zohore, Burke, Field and Leko, you need someone stupid enough to take them off our hands and match their earnings.
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Is left back really a priority area considering the obvious issues in the spine?
Well yes because of Gibbs recent injury record (I know a few years ago it improved but it's dipped again) then we are left with Connor Townsend at LB. In the Prem..... good god.
Or Furlong or O'Shea out of position at LB.
So yes I'd say GK, LB, CM, Winger or 2 and 2 strikers (wingers/strikers combined like a Robinson) are all priorities
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The left back position needs an overhaul..
Gibbs is made of biscuits and Townsend is not good enough for this division.
As Jacko says, I cannot see anyone queueing up to take them off our hands given their injury records and substantial earnings.
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Injury record for us vastly overblown.
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Injury record for us vastly overblown.
He played 33 and 38 games in the last two seasons - the latter really surprised me.
However, 14 this season is a worry.
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He definitely needs moving on it would be bad business if we could move him on but didn't.
He turns 31 next month, has a recurring hamstring problem and is one of it not our highest earners. Given the type of injury he has and his age he's unlikely to stay fit for very long periods.
We can't afford the luxury of carrying huge earners whilst getting little in return.
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Would be sad to see Gibbs go. Even if he only plays 10-15 games he's worth keeping around for me. If we need to save wages then get rid of Phillips first.
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He played 33 and 38 games in the last two seasons - the latter really surprised me.
However, 14 this season is a worry.
Loads of players have the odd season where they can't quite get over their niggly injuries. We do seem to bring players back a bit early sometimes too. I wouldn't bin him off on the back of one season - if he had another, then yeah but give him a chance to prove his fitness.
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He's weak as ****, not a player I would be sad to see the back of.
Brunt was a better left back. Look at the numbers on far post headers conceded with Gibbs in the team, especially in the relegation season.
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does anyone have a link to this article listing all of the players Slav would like to move on?
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Gibbs is in around 60k pw and this is his last season with us. Makes sense to shift him now and get something back or let him leave on a free at end of season.
I also believe his last injury has took its toll. He's really struggling with it. At his age things won't get better.
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does anyone have a link to this article listing all of the players Slav would like to move on?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/08/05/slaven-bilic-listen-offers-kieran-gibbs-west-brom-aim-streamline/
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West Bromwich Albion will listen to offers for former England defender Kieran Gibbs, £15 million signing Oliver Burke and Kenneth Zohore as they prepare for the Premier League.
Slaven Bilic is keen to trim his bloated squad following promotion from the Championship and will move to offload a number of fringe players, with Sam Field and Jonathan Leko also to be made available.
Gibbs, the former Arsenal left-back, will see his wages doubled to £55,000 a week following promotion and only made 15 appearances last season.
West Brom are set to move for Wigan defender Antonee Robinson, 22, so Gibbs is free to leave the Hawthorns this summer for a minimal fee.
Burke, the big-money signing from Red Bull Leipzig, and Zohore will also be cleared to go as Albion move to lower their wage bill and make space for their 25-man squad.
Meanwhile, West Brom are set to tie up the £8.25 million signing of Matheus Pereira later this month.
Pereira will officially complete a permanent move to the Championship runners-up when he signs the paperwork on his return from holiday.
The Brazilian winger triggered a clause to make his move permanent when he passed 30 appearances for the club in June.
Signed on loan from Sporting Lisbon in August, Pereira was one of the Championship’s stand-out players under Slaven Bilic.
West Brom are also poised to start talks with Benfica over another loan deal for Croatian midfielder Filip Krovinovic.
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My last word on KG for now, the Premier League schedule is much more forgiving regards injury and recovery.
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Thank you guys. Interesting stuff!
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My last word on KG for now, the Premier League schedule is much more forgiving regards injury and recovery.
Agreed. A premiership schedule will suit Gibbs far more, especially if we use someone else (Robinson?) for cup games as well.
On his day, KG is an excellent LB and a head that has been around both the England squad and a quite brilliant Arsenal squad. I wouldn't be in any hurry to discard his services. rather bringing in a more capable understudy.
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West Bromwich Albion will listen to offers for former England defender Kieran Gibbs, £15 million signing Oliver Burke and Kenneth Zohore as they prepare for the Premier League.
Slaven Bilic is keen to trim his bloated squad following promotion from the Championship and will move to offload a number of fringe players, with Sam Field and Jonathan Leko also to be made available.
Gibbs, the former Arsenal left-back, will see his wages doubled to £55,000 a week following promotion and only made 15 appearances last season.
West Brom are set to move for Wigan defender Antonee Robinson, 22, so Gibbs is free to leave the Hawthorns this summer for a minimal fee.
Burke, the big-money signing from Red Bull Leipzig, and Zohore will also be cleared to go as Albion move to lower their wage bill and make space for their 25-man squad.
Meanwhile, West Brom are set to tie up the £8.25 million signing of Matheus Pereira later this month.
Pereira will officially complete a permanent move to the Championship runners-up when he signs the paperwork on his return from holiday.
The Brazilian winger triggered a clause to make his move permanent when he passed 30 appearances for the club in June.
Signed on loan from Sporting Lisbon in August, Pereira was one of the Championship’s stand-out players under Slaven Bilic.
West Brom are also poised to start talks with Benfica over another loan deal for Croatian midfielder Filip Krovinovic.
If we can get £3m for Gibbs, the sale of all three should see us pocket £3,000,002.
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Another loan for Krov would make sense as he'll get a run out in the Prem then. Trouble is, if he does well, his value will shoot up.
I can see why we'd get rid of Gibbs if we signed Robinson. We'd then have him first choice with Townsend second (or the other way around). Not sure where Gibbs would fit in, first choice? And new signings being second choice? Second choice? Then pushes Townsend down to 3rd? 3rd choice and expensive?
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Townsend isn't premier league material. Bless his heart, he tries and he's a good lad, but he'd get eaten alive if he were a regular starter in the top flight.
At left back my preference would be a choice between Gibbs and Ryan Sessegnon (who spurs are reportedly willing to loan out for a season) and failing Sessegnon, Gibbs as first choice and Robinson as understudy for cup games and when (not if) KG picks up injuries.
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I’d rather we signed Robinson and kept Gibbs. Like others have said, his previous two seasons were fine.
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Another loan for Krov would make sense as he'll get a run out in the Prem then. Trouble is, if he does well, his value will shoot up.
I can see why we'd get rid of Gibbs if we signed Robinson. We'd then have him first choice with Townsend second (or the other way around). Not sure where Gibbs would fit in, first choice? And new signings being second choice? Second choice? Then pushes Townsend down to 3rd? 3rd choice and expensive?
Townsend is the one to get rid of. Untried 21 year old from the Championship and Townsend? If left back is an issue AND Robinson from Wigan is the answer it would be far more prudent to keep Gibbs until his contract expires to allow the young lad to bed in.
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The biggest predictor of injury is past injury, it’s a downward gradient for Gibbs. The modern full back needs to be young, physical, fast and fit - not 31 years old. Hence why Robinson at Wigan will have his pick of a few premiership sides. Gibbs was a very poor premiership defender even when fit, weak and timid, can’t deal with crosses. Robinson would be a big upgrade. We are going to struggle to get rid of him though - he wouldn’t be able to command his current deal on the open market and premiership clubs won’t be interested in him. He might get some championship interest but we’d have to pay most of his wages. Yet another ageing mediocre player with no resale value who is on more money than they should be that Pulis lumbered us with.
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Gibbs was a very poor premiership defender even when fit, weak and timid, can’t deal with crosses.
Well, thats just not true. You don't get 10 England caps and 180 appearances for Arsenal in the premier league and European competitions by being poor, weak and timid.
Robinson would be a big upgrade.
I don't think we can actually say that just yet. He might do, hope he is in time.
Yet another ageing mediocre player with no resale value who is on more money than they should be that Pulis lumbered us with.
Half-right I guess. Ageing and no resale is accurate. I certainly don't agree that he is mediocre or on more than he should be when he signed (aprx £27k by the report referenced.)
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Quite right jimmyj. I think the dislike of Gibbs is down to the fact he was a Pulis signing. He's been very good quality and when he's playing we rarely have issues down our left side. He also gets forward better than any of the other LB\RB at the club.
As for the comments that they need to be "young, physical, fast and fit", that would rule out Townsend and O'Shea then - because neither of those are particulary physics or quick.
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How can we be open to offers for Gibbs unless a deal for Robinson has been finalised? I don't think we'd be the only club interested in Robinson.
Anyway, Gibbs is the best left back we've had for a long time. I remember when every transfer window we were looking for a left back. Full backs being able to get forward into threatening positions to deliver crosses is a must in the modern game, something that Gibbs delivers on.
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7-Seater taxi for Gibbs ‘The Biscuit’
The remaining six seats could be filled with Phillips, Johnstone, HRK, Austin, Zohore, Leko.
Maybe need to book a mini-bus unless we put Burke on the roof-rack!
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Rate him, but he just can't last more than 1 or 2 games. Any club that signs him would need to consider some form of hybrid pay as you play deal. Brilliant signing if you csn keep him fit for any side in the Championship and most of the prem.
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I am not sure how saleable Gibbs is at this point in his career with just 12 months left on his contract a poor recent injury record although nothing major and a reasonable record prior to that. His wages are not in insignificant and way beyond what most Championship clubs would be comfortable paying.
Long and short of it moving Gibbs on isn't going to generate much by the way of spare cash.
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Well, thats just not true. You don't get 10 England caps and 180 appearances for Arsenal in the premier league and European competitions by being poor, weak and timid. I don't think we can actually say that just yet. He might do, hope he is in time. Half-right I guess. Ageing and no resale is accurate. I certainly don't agree that he is mediocre or on more than he should be when he signed (aprx £27k by the report referenced.)
He had 137 starts for Arsenal not 180 over ten years, averaging 14 games a season. Jake Livermore and god knows who else have England caps. The 22 year old Kieran Gibbs is an entirely different player the 31 year old. Further, the Arsenal defence during that period was a clown show. If he was any use at all then a premiership club would have been in for him over the last two seasons, yet no interest once we got relegated.
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Who is going to pay the money for him anyway? If I was Gibbs I would be playing out my contract and looking for signing fee and one last deal
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229 appearances for Arsenal.
39 appearances in the Champs League.
"rubbish".
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Would be sad to see Gibbs go. Even if he only plays 10-15 games he's worth keeping around for me. If we need to save wages then get rid of Phillips first.
Absolutely not
If the number 50k+ is correct there is no way we can justify that on someone to play a qtr of the season.
We will have enough challenges next season , why create our own problems?
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He had 137 starts for Arsenal not 180 over ten years, averaging 14 games a season. Jake Livermore and god knows who else have England caps. The 22 year old Kieran Gibbs is an entirely different player the 31 year old. Further, the Arsenal defence during that period was a clown show. If he was any use at all then a premiership club would have been in for him over the last two seasons, yet no interest once we got relegated.
137 premier league appearances.
43 European appearances.
Equals 180.
I mean we could throw in Cup appearances as well, but I figured that Prem and Euro were important enough to highlight.
And to be accurate, you said "Gibbs was a very poor premiership defender even when fit, weak and timid, can’t deal with crosses." At the age of 22 he was a premier league player and over the next six seasons racked up most of those 180 appearances. So, on the one hand you say "poor premiership player" and then argue that he's now not the player he was at the age of 22....which is when he would have been that "poor premiership defender". Sorry mate, you're talking cobblers and contradicting yourself.
And the reason why no one else went for him, is why he's at ours. He has hamstrings made of biscuits. If he had fully functioning legs that could handle 25+ games a season he wouldn't be at ours.
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I’d rather we signed Robinson and kept Gibbs. Like others have said, his previous two seasons were fine.
:D Agree wouldn't want to see Gibbs leave...he is premiership quality.
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137 premier league appearances.
43 European appearances.
Equals 180.
I mean we could throw in Cup appearances as well, but I figured that Prem and Euro were important enough to highlight.
And to be accurate, you said "Gibbs was a very poor premiership defender even when fit, weak and timid, can’t deal with crosses." At the age of 22 he was a premier league player and over the next six seasons racked up most of those 180 appearances. So, on the one hand you say "poor premiership player" and then argue that he's now not the player he was at the age of 22....which is when he would have been that "poor premiership defender". Sorry mate, you're talking cobblers and contradicting yourself.
And the reason why no one else went for him, is why he's at ours. He has hamstrings made of biscuits. If he had fully functioning legs that could handle 25+ games a season he wouldn't be at ours.
Nobody wanted him when he was playing regularly for us and we all remember how many goals were conceded at the back post when he was in the team.
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I said to a friend just before the season went that if we were to go up we should get rid of Gibbs. There's no doubting his quality. There's a reason Arsenal held onto him for quite a while and that's because he has a raw talent. Sad reality is though a club such as us can't afford to have a 50/60 grand per week player spending more time nursing injuries than on the pitch. No one would love Gibbs to go on and play every game and have a rest during the cup games more than me but his body isn't capable of that and when he gets a simple injury that would keep the majority of players out for a month Gibbs is out for 2 and a half with that same injury then soon after he will be struck down with something else.
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If Gibbs stayed fit and played at least 80% of the season then he would be one of the first names on the team sheet and would be worth the 55k a week. Unfortunately I’d be surprised if he played more then ten games . He would be great as an understudy to the left back position but if he is on 55k a week then we can’t be paying that to a squad player .
Personally I can’t see anyone taking him when we’re paying him that much . Unless he took a pay cut
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If Gibbs stayed fit and played at least 80% of the season then he would be one of the first names on the team sheet and would be worth the 55k a week. Unfortunately I’d be surprised if he played more then ten games . He would be great as an understudy to the left back position but if he is on 55k a week then we can’t be paying that to a squad player .
Personally I can’t see anyone taking him when we’re paying him that much . Unless he took a pay cut
To be fair to him, league apps since we signed him:
2017-2018: 32/38 starts - (84%)
2018-2019: 37/46 starts- (80%)
2019-2020: 14/46 starts - (30%)
So it’s only really last season where he’s dipped below the 80% mark in terms of league appearances. He is still only 30 too. Could just be a one off season for us, or could be the start of a decline. Personally I think he’s the best fullback we’ve got and has proven premier league experience. Certainly more pressing positions to target in the transfer window for me.
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To be fair to him, league apps since we signed him:
2017-2018: 32/38 starts - (84%)
2018-2019: 37/46 starts- (80%)
2019-2020: 14/46 starts - (30%)
So it’s only really last season where he’s dipped below the 80% mark in terms of league appearances. He is still only 30 too. Could just be a one off season for us, or could be the start of a decline. Personally I think he’s the best fullback we’ve got and has proven premier league experience. Certainly more pressing positions to target in the transfer window for me.
Agreed, he's definitely the best left back option at the club.
I do wonder if his spells of prolonged injury last season was to do with our need to have him play and we rushed him back. That certainly seemed to be the case against Leeds when he was clearly frustrated at having to leave the pitch so early on.
I like Townsend and he's nowhere near as bad as some would suggest but if we sign Robinson from Wigan then I think it would make sense for him to have Gibbs to learn from, rather than having two left backs with no top level experience.
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Alternatively make a move for Rico Henry of Brentford.
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Alternatively make a move for Rico Henry of Brentford.
If we're going to sign an untried LB then I'd sooner we forked out the £1.5m on Robinson from Wigan rather than taking up half our budget with Henry.
Good player though, we should have been all over him when he was leaving Walsall.
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Kieran has allways been a good player but just lacked that little extra spark to take him to the very top.
He as been plagged with injury probblems for months now, the niggley sort that never seems to go away completey.
I cant see him staying has our no1 left back & at £50 G a week a very exspencive back up.
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To be fair to him, league apps since we signed him:
2017-2018: 32/38 starts - (84%)
2018-2019: 37/46 starts- (80%)
2019-2020: 14/46 starts - (30%)
So it’s only really last season where he’s dipped below the 80% mark in terms of league appearances. He is still only 30 too. Could just be a one off season for us, or could be the start of a decline. Personally I think he’s the best fullback we’ve got and has proven premier league experience. Certainly more pressing positions to target in the transfer window for me.
Interesting stats there mate I thought his injury record the previous seasons were a lot worse then that .
I agree with your points as well . If we keep him great , if he goes and we get him off the wage bill then great but like you say there’s a lot more important business to be done then what we are going to do with Gibbs
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i too find it strange that this is seemingly a priority for the club, I can think of numerous positions which i would be focussing on before LB.
(GK / DMF / CF)
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My initial thoughts on Left Back for the coming season was go out hire a new one and have Gibbs as back up. I don't like having expensive back ups in the squad because it is just a bad use of resources (get the big wages on the pitch or get them out the door) yet in Gibbs case with just 12 months left on his contract limited scope for a sale and no indication that he is anything other than a model professional it is kind of okay.
I would have sold Townsend because oddly enough he is more saleable because his wages are less of a challenge for a Championship club and despite the heavy criticism he gets he is probably a solid citizen at Championship level.
I suspect there are number of clubs wooing Robinson at the moment and being able to say to him "if you join me you are my first choice" will cut a lot of ice. This story is helpful in that regard. However for Gibbs to be sold requires a buyer and that is the fly in the ointment, watch this space.
In terms of improving the defence left back is the position that we can leverage the biggest improvement from. If Gibbs is not fit for the bulk of games we are actually not replacing Gibbs but Townsend. In any event Gibbs is definitely post peak and in decline none of our other defenders are just yet (Bartley and Hegazi will get there shortly) so left back is one of the priorities.
If Robinson is the main target then that deal isn't going to wait for obvious reasons so regardless of where it sits in the overall scheme of things it is the deal that is most likely to get done soonest.
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I say thanks very much to Gibbs, quality player at the end of his career now.
Welcome Robinson as first choice with Townsend as cover, get him in ASAP.
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why are folks so convinced that Robinson is so good ?
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i too find it strange that this is seemingly a priority for the club, I can think of numerous positions which i would be focussing on before LB.
(GK / DMF / CF)
Quite so. In particular we need to make sure there are sufficient funds for a goalscoring forward.
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why are folks so convinced that Robinson is so good ?
He only needs to be decent to be better than our current options.
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My initial thoughts on Left Back for the coming season was go out hire a new one and have Gibbs as back up. I don't like having expensive back ups in the squad because it is just a bad use of resources (get the big wages on the pitch or get them out the door) yet in Gibbs case with just 12 months left on his contract limited scope for a sale and no indication that he is anything other than a model professional it is kind of okay.
I would have sold Townsend because oddly enough he is more saleable because his wages are less of a challenge for a Championship club and despite the heavy criticism he gets he is probably a solid citizen at Championship level.
I suspect there are number of clubs wooing Robinson at the moment and being able to say to him "if you join me you are my first choice" will cut a lot of ice. This story is helpful in that regard. However for Gibbs to be sold requires a buyer and that is the fly in the ointment, watch this space.
In terms of improving the defence left back is the position that we can leverage the biggest improvement from. If Gibbs is not fit for the bulk of games we are actually not replacing Gibbs but Townsend. In any event Gibbs is definitely post peak and in decline none of our other defenders are just yet (Bartley and Hegazi will get there shortly) so left back is one of the priorities.
If Robinson is the main target then that deal isn't going to wait for obvious reasons so regardless of where it sits in the overall scheme of things it is the deal that is most likely to get done soonest.
Although
What if Slav is thinking 352 for the prem ....and if we had to revert to 442 he would be comfortable with O’Shea and furlong dropping in there?
Would we be so bad off?
And then the 50k of wages could be used elsewhere .
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Really beginning to dislike Gibbs and his lack of passion and fight like he is too good to be here.
It started when greasy dived in the sf play off game. Gibbs definitely didn't bring him down imo and I watched it loads on slow motion and Gibbs didn't complain once and today he walks off whilst his manager complains.
Absolutely disgraceful conduct today.
Cannot wait until he leaves. Loads of goals come from his side of the pitch and he only plays because Townsend is worse.
Having said that I pray to God Townsend takes his chance and is motivated by getting to the premier league and raises his game.
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Most over rated player at the club. I've said it before and I will say it again.
Unfortunately no one wants him so we are stuck with him.
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I must have watched a different match...one of our better performers before the red...and James clearly goes in to him before he reacts .
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I must have watched a different match...one of our better performers before the red...and James clearly goes in to him before he reacts .
Agree about his performance, all our problemscame down the other side, however Rodriguez bumped him very gently after watching the replay, no studs as mentioned by others, was just a stupid thing to do.
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1v1 Rodriguez will make better players than Gibbs look like a muppet this season, if he stays fit.
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1v1 Rodriguez will make better players than Gibbs look like a muppet this season, if he stays fit.
Agreed. Gibbs was one of our better players, but he has to learn to control himself when things are going against the team.
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1v1 Rodriguez will make better players than Gibbs look like a muppet this season, if he stays fit.
That didn't happen though. Gibbs was excellent until he lost the plot...
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Never been sold on his defending overall , his injuries and chunky wages don't help.
Id look for another LB if the pennies would stretch
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Silly boy who is old enough to no better, cost us a possible point today.
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His red card was a disgrace. He should be ashamed.
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Was good until his sending off but i can't defend him, beyond stupid it was however soft.
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Total over reaction on here as usual. He lost the plot it happens, better players than him have lost it to say he is solely responsible for that result is totally over the top! He wasn't even on the pitch :D
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Forget the red card; that was abysmal alone.
Let's focus on the ease which the guy just jogged past him to get the cross in for the first. He doesn't stop crosses. Full stop.
Even last week, Castagne just mauled him for the goal.
Rubbish.
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Was playing alright i thought, i also think he's a decent player and gets a lot of undue stick.
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Forget the red card; that was abysmal alone.
Let's focus on the ease which the guy just jogged past him to get the cross in for the first. He doesn't stop crosses. Full stop.
Even last week, Castagne just mauled him for the goal.
Rubbish.
Agreed. He's never been any use defensively, doesn't put the effort in. Lazy, overpaid, unwanted by other clubs and injury prone. He is the epitome of a player who gets you relegated.
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Was playing alright i thought, i also think he's a decent player and gets a lot of undue stick.
There's a good player in there, I have no doubt. But is a good defender? No. Does he show heart and willingness for the fight? No. Has he cost us - or at the very least, throughly played his part in - two goals from memory in the first two games? Yes. And I'm not even talking about how his pathetic reaction to a nudge from James killed any chance of coming back.
Does he deserve a bit of stick for all of the above? I think it's completely fair.
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YEah Gibbs is a good player but he's never been a good DEFENDER as such. Modern fullbacks for you.
I'd say lets go back to basics but our back up is Conor Townsend.
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What a pathetic wind-up.
How is it a wind up? Have a look at some of your posts, Gibbs is not to blame for that rubbish the whole team are to blame because they ain't good enough simples.
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YEah Gibbs is a good player but he's never been a good DEFENDER as such. Modern fullbacks for you.
I'd say lets go back to basics but our back up is Conor Townsend.
That's why I was so disappointed when we didn't sign Robinson from Wigan.
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How is it a wind up? Have a look at some of your posts, Gibbs is not to blame for that rubbish the whole team are to blame because they ain't good enough simples.
You made a glib comment about Gibbs not being to blame as he wasn't on the pitch with a smiley face, after watching him get a needless red card which extinguished any chance we had of getting anything out of the game.
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You made a glib comment about Gibbs not being to blame as he wasn't on the pitch with a smiley face, after watching him get a needless red card which extinguished any chance we had of getting anything out of the game.
We equalised after the red card.
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We equalised after the red card.
Yes, with a world class free kick but let's not pretend that playing with ten men for a whole half was not an absolute hammer blow. Just imagine how much better it would have been at 2-2 had we have eleven men on the pitch.
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You made a glib comment about Gibbs not being to blame as he wasn't on the pitch with a smiley face, after watching him get a needless red card which extinguished any chance we had of getting anything out of the game.
calm down mate! We lost a game of football trying to lighten things up a bit. Take a look at whats going on around the world and in our country far more important things that a footballer being sent off :o
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Was good until his sending off but i can't defend him, beyond stupid it was however soft.
I’m tired of Gibbs. The relegation season, Derby last season, Villa in play offs, the injuries, and now today. For someone with a few reds to his name I don’t see much heart in his game.
I could be wrong and apologies if this is too personal but I don’t believe he cares particularly for the badge.
Some of the issues with Gibbs aren’t necessarily his fault, but I’m simply tired of him and more personal than I usually get maybe because he could do better.
A little harsh maybe but just want someone more dependable of similar talent who cares.
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I’m tired of Gibbs. The relegation season, Derby last season, Villa in play offs, the injuries, and now today. For someone with a few reds to his name I don’t see much heart in his game.
I could be wrong and apologies if this is too personal but I don’t believe he cares particularly for the badge.
Some of the issues with Gibbs aren’t necessarily his fault, but I’m simply tired of him and more personal than I usually get maybe because he could do better.
A little harsh maybe but just want someone more dependable of similar talent who cares.
That's not harsh in the slightest.
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That's why I was so disappointed when we didn't sign Robinson from Wigan.
Very risky not to sign another LB especially at the value he presented and it's already going to mean we play CT against Chelsea or switch a right footer there.
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I’m tired of Gibbs. The relegation season, Derby last season, Villa in play offs, the injuries, and now today. For someone with a few reds to his name I don’t see much heart in his game.
I could be wrong and apologies if this is too personal but I don’t believe he cares particularly for the badge.
Some of the issues with Gibbs aren’t necessarily his fault, but I’m simply tired of him and more personal than I usually get maybe because he could do better.
A little harsh maybe but just want someone more dependable of similar talent who cares.
Very harsh where is your proof he doesn't care?
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Very risky not to sign another LB especually at the value he presented and it's already going to mean we play CT against Chelsea or switch a right footer there.
We might be having a rethink and looking to bring in a left back now.
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We need a striker above all then i'd move for a LB but who is out that there that is decent, cheap-ish, available and located within 200 miles of the Hawthorns.
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We need a striker above all then i'd move for a LB but who is out that there that is decent, cheap-ish, available and located within 200 miles of the Hawthorns.
The England players are too dear. We should cast our net wider to see what is out there.
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The England players are too dear. We should cast our net wider to see what is out there.
1000000% with you but apart from Bilic no one is looking.
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The England players are too dear. We should cast our net wider to see what is out there.
Of course we should cast our net far and wide but good players from abroad that are eligible to play in the premiership (have European passports) aren't exactly cheap either. 15 years ago you could more often get lucky with a Gera, Mulumbu, Odemwinge, Yacob a lot more freely than you can now as so many rival clubs have huge scouting setups, and massive IT / scouting databases, it's not like it used to be. Then of course the selling clubs know that any premiership team means a top dollar transfer fee. Just look at the trouble we are having trying to do a deal with Benfica for Krov.
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"Kieran Gibbs
@KieranGibbs
I take full responsibility for today’s game. I let the team and supporters down with a moment of stupidity. I have always tried to play the game fairly and will make sure I keep disciplined when provoked. I should not have reacted and for that I apologise."
Fair play for the apology.
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"Kieran Gibbs
@KieranGibbs
I take full responsibility for today’s game. I let the team and supporters down with a moment of stupidity. I have always tried to play the game fairly and will make sure I keep disciplined when provoked. I should not have reacted and for that I apologise."
Fair play for the apology.
He should be fined the maximum amount and told to come in for training every week whilst he's out suspended. No holidays in the sun, jetting away anywhere.
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I'd fine him wages and move on for all our sakes.
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He should be fined the maximum amount and told to come in for training every week whilst he's out suspended. No holidays in the sun, jetting away anywhere.
Are we dining Austin for being unable to run,or Johnstone for not being able to come off his line ??
Total over reaction to one incident today ...
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He should be fined the maximum amount and told to come in for training every week whilst he's out suspended. No holidays in the sun, jetting away anywhere.
Why do you think he is going to be jetting away anywhere? As i said earlier total over reaction.
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he'll only missed the Chelsea game if we do our job in the League Cup surely.
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Very harsh where is your proof he doesn't care?
No proof at all. Simply my opinion and impression during his time here that I don’t believe he cares particularly for the badge. The examples I gave in the original post hopefully evidence my frustration. I could be completely wrong. There are worse than Gibbs and there are better. Today he let the team down and not for the first time. Considering his seniority and quality I’m tired and frustrated with Gibbs.
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Why do you think he is going to be jetting away anywhere? As i said earlier total over reaction.
If he's staying at home and training at the ground then there's no problem.
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he'll only missed the Chelsea game if we do our job in the League Cup surely.
Three game ban for violent conduct so I think he misses Brentford (22/09), Chelsea (26/09) & Southampton (03/09). Then we have an international break. He is next eligible to play on the 17th of October against Burnley. 27 days with no football to play. Bilic needs to put a tag on his ankle. If I see any instagram photo of him in Dubai in a couple of weeks my head will explode.
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Three game ban for violent conduct so I think he misses Brentford (22/09), Chelsea (26/09) & Southampton (03/09). Then we have an international break. He is next eligible to play on the 17th of October against Burnley. 27 days with no football to play. Bilic needs to put a tag on his ankle. If I see any instagram photo of him in Dubai in a couple of weeks my head will explode.
Assumed next round of League Cup would come around before the league game after Chelsea.
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Assumed next round of League Cup would come around before the league game after Chelsea.
Your right. Just looked, the fourth round is scheduled for 29/30 September, so IF we can beat Brentford then Gibbs would be eligible for Southampton away.
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how many games has KG played for us and how many sendings off, yes today is frustrating but those saying get shut of him because of it would want us to sign Moreles the serial red card offender.
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how many games has KG played for us and how many sendings off, yes today is frustrating but those saying get shut of him because of it would want us to sign Moreles the serial red card offender.
Today is a blot on his copy book but the reaction has been way OTT. If we beat Brentford he misses one PL game.
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Today is a blot on his copy book but the reaction has been way OTT. If we beat Brentford he misses one PL game.
yes I agree, way OTT. Even Chris Brunt got sent off for gods sake !
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What Kieran did today was nothing short of stupidity and cost us, but it was way out of character.
In a Premier League career covering 172 appearances, today was only the second time he has been sent off.
He is a decent little footballer imo and the best option we have in that left back position we currently have.
I think, right now, he is probably beating himself up about his indiscretion more than the collective “beating†fans are heaping on him.
I for one will look forward to his return to first team action and hope that anyone that deputises for him in the meantime can fill the void during his suspension
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What Kieran did today was nothing short of stupidity and cost us, but it was way out of character.
In a Premier League career covering 172 appearances, today was only the second time he has been sent off.
He is a decent little footballer imo and the best option we have in that left back position we currently have.
I think, right now, he is probably beating himself up about his indiscretion more than the collective “beating†fans are heaping on him.
I for one will look forward to his return to first team action and hope that anyone that deputises for him in the meantime can fill the void during his suspension
Over 30 and a 172 appearances, says it all about this a more costly sick Vic.
We don't hear of clubs fining players 2 weeks much these days, but I hope behind the seems he gets the maximum fine for that stupid act today, as we had a good chance to get at least a point today.
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What Kieran did today was nothing short of stupidity and cost us, but it was way out of character.
In a Premier League career covering 172 appearances, today was only the second time he has been sent off.
He is a decent little footballer imo and the best option we have in that left back position we currently have.
I think, right now, he is probably beating himself up about his indiscretion more than the collective “beating†fans are heaping on him.
I for one will look forward to his return to first team action and hope that anyone that deputises for him in the meantime can fill the void during his suspension
Surely we all hope that his deputy smashes it and keeps him out?
Stupid act of petulance from a player who, given his injury record, should be embracing every minute on the pitch. Almost as if he doesn't want a run of games.
No excuses, hope Townsend steps up, but unlikely so need for a replacement dramatically increased, which may just seal Krovs fate.
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Surely we all hope that his deputy smashes it and keeps him out?
Stupid act of petulance from a player who, given his injury record, should be embracing every minute on the pitch. Almost as if he doesn't want a run of games.
No excuses, hope Townsend steps up, but unlikely so need for a replacement dramatically increased, which may just seal Krovs fate.
Yes stupid act of petulance, but aren't players allowed to make a mistake? Hope Townsend does well, but on past evidence he will struggle in the Prem.
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Made a mistake but this over the top “get rid, should never play again†is ridiculous. He isn’t the first player to get sent off like this and won’t be the last. He was stupid but is a good player and we actually need some of them.
Brunty got sent off in the play off semi final against Villa...
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"Made a mistake". Hes 30 years old with bags of experience. It isnt a mistake its irresponsible and its cost us any chance of getting anything from the game. Last week he cost us the first goal. That's two games from two hes cost us.
How stupid are people? When will they finally realise this guy is an absolute liability?
Oh yeah he played ten times for England.
If Townsend had done what Gibbs has done over the last two games everyone would've been going on about him being League 1 level.
People are a joke sometimes with prejudice attitudes and stubborn views that deep down they know are shallow but well never admit to themselves let alone others.
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"Made a mistake". Hes 30 years old with bags of experience. It isnt a mistake its irresponsible and its cost us any chance of getting anything from the game. Last week he cost us the first goal. That's two games from two hes cost us.
How stupid are people? When will they finally realise this guy is an absolute liability?
Oh yeah he played ten times for England.
If Townsend had done what Gibbs has done over the last two games everyone would've been going on about him being League 1 level.
People are a joke sometimes with prejudice attitudes and stubborn views that deep down they know are shallow but well never admit to themselves let alone others.
I disagree, Gibbs is simply a better quality player when compared to Townsend.
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I disagree, Gibbs is simply a better quality player when compared to Townsend.
Oh yeah alright.
I give up I really do.
What will it take?
Truth is it doesnt matter what Gibbs does people will defend him because they are not big enough to accept they are wrong.
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Oh yeah alright.
I give up I really do.
What will it take?
Truth is it doesnt matter what Gibbs does people will defend him because they are not big enough to accept they are wrong.
What makes you think you are right?
It simply about opinions, and I believe Townsend should be playing regular in league 1.
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Oh yeah alright.
I give up I really do.
What will it take?
Truth is it doesnt matter what Gibbs does people will defend him because they are not big enough to accept they are wrong.
Have you considered the slight possibility that you might be wrong, thought not
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What makes you think you are right?
It simply about opinions, and I believe Townsend should be playing regular in league 1.
My ******* eyes make me right. Gibbs is absolutely shocking.
Townsend is no Derek Statham but he's every bit as good as Gibbs at this stage of their respective careers.
Gibbs gets defended for absolutely everything, Townsend misplaced one pass and hes hammered.
Prejudice pure and simple.
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"Made a mistake". Hes 30 years old with bags of experience. It isnt a mistake its irresponsible and its cost us any chance of getting anything from the game. Last week he cost us the first goal. That's two games from two hes cost us.
How stupid are people? When will they finally realise this guy is an absolute liability?
Oh yeah he played ten times for England.
If Townsend had done what Gibbs has done over the last two games everyone would've been going on about him being League 1 level.
People are a joke sometimes with prejudice attitudes and stubborn views that deep down they know are shallow but well never admit to themselves let alone others.
Its a football forum about opinions, its not an ethical issue about poverty, economic disparity or people having access to running water. Someone has an opinion on Gibbs and its prejudice, stubborn and shallow....Amazing :)
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Have you considered the slight possibility that you might be wrong, thought not
I'm not wrong others are and I dont care if I'm 1 vs 25,000.
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My ******* eyes make me right. Gibbs is absolutely shocking.
Townsend is no Derek Statham but he's every bit as good as Gibbs at this stage of their respective careers.
Gibbs gets defended for absolutely everything, Townsend misplaced one pass and hes hammered.
Prejudice pure and simple.
And yet My ******* eyes make me right.
Seems Our coaching staffs ******* eyes agree with me as well.
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I'm not wrong others are and I dont care if I'm 1 vs 25,000.
That says all I need to know, Clearly no point debating it.
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Its a football forum about opinions, its not an ethical issue about poverty, economic disparity or people having access to running water. Someone has an opinion on Gibbs and its prejudice, stubborn and shallow....Amazing :)
You say that because you are trying to devalue what I say. It wont work.
Cut the rubbish about poverty etc. Absolutey irrelevant to this discussion,.
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That says all I need to know, Clearly no point debating it.
Correct no point because people have pre conceived ideas and aren't big enough or smart enough to accept they are wrong.
You cant reason with people like that. Their minds are already closed.
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And yet My ******* eyes make me right.
Seems Our coaching staffs ******* eyes agree with me as well.
Our coaching staff.
2 goals scored, 8 conceded. 0 points.
Yeah!
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Our coaching staff.
2 goals scored, 8 conceded. 0 points.
Yeah!
They have a squad of players who are not good enough for the premier league. Doesn’t mean they can’t determine who has more to offer between Gibbs and Townsend.
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And yet My ******* eyes make me right.
Seems Our coaching staffs ******* eyes agree with me as well.
I'm pretty sure the coaching staff said Gibbs was available for sale, but we simply had no offers.
Stand to be corrected of course
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I'm pretty sure the coaching staff said Gibbs was available for sale, but we simply had no offers.
Stand to be corrected of course
Yes the club wanted to lower the wage bill and there aim was to bring in a replacement, that doesn’t mean they believe Townsend is a better option.
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Yes the club wanted to lower the wage bill and there aim was to bring in a replacement, that doesn’t mean they believe Townsend is a better option.
Not does it suggest faith in Gibbs.
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He’s let us down massively today and also himself. In fairness to him he’s acknowledged as much. Hard to believe that anyone thinks Townsend is a better player though.
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He’s let us down massively today and also himself. In fairness to him he’s acknowledged as much. Hard to believe that anyone thinks Townsend is a better player though.
Townsend is probably not a better player, what he is, however, is available for the next 3 games, as he was throughout Gibbs numerous absenses. This is the real reason Gibbs was for sale.
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I'm not wrong others are and I dont care if I'm 1 vs 25,000.
You are wrong what as being prejudiced got to do with people thinking Gibbs is a good player? You are not only prejudiced towards Gibbs you are downright nasty and to the other people in here who don't agree with you it's a forum mate people have their own opinions, opinions are not prejudices :o
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Atomic, I think you are right that Gibbs is a liability. Doesn't do his job. Bullied by the Leicester full back for their first goal last week and a disastrous sending off today. As flaky as anything.
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You say that because you are trying to devalue what I say. It wont work.
Cut the rubbish about poverty etc. Absolutey irrelevant to this discussion,.
It's not devaluing it. I just don't use the words prejudice and shallow when disagreeing with people about the merits of who should play left back in the football team I support.
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Gibbs could get sent off every time he plays, wouldn't change the fact he's a better footballer than Townsend...
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They have a squad of players who are not good enough for the premier league.
Everyone would have said that about Sheffield United at the start of last season.
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Townsend is not anywhere near good enough for the Premier League. The coaches know this hence why Gibbs plays. If a club came in for Gibbs then I could see us going for Henry - again sell before we buy. Gibbs has experience and tbh I thought he was doing ok yesterday until he had that mental aberration. Gibbs will come back when his suspension is over , why? Because he is the best we have at that position.
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Townsend is not anywhere near good enough for the Premier League.
Neither is Gibbs. Hence why no one has come in for him in five transfer windows.
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Neither is Gibbs. Hence why no one has come in for him in five transfer windows.
So a player is only good enough for the Prem if someone tries to buy them?
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Gibbs is our first choice and is competent this level.
However in a 343 perhaps we can cover his absence a little better. Though I'm not sure how.
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Gibbs could get sent off every time he plays, wouldn't change the fact he's a better footballer than Townsend...
I think that level of ill discipline might tip the balance toward Townsend somewhat.
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If O'Shea had done what he did I'd be annoyed, but at least he's only 20, perhaps you could forgive the naivety. Gibbs is an extremely experienced footballer and there is absolutely no excuse for it. We have VAR to contend with this season and you'll not get away with things like that, you need to be more intelligent, if we can't rely on our experienced pros then God help us.
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What Gibbs did was stupid but lets not forget the play acting of the Everton player going down clutching his face like he'd had a right good slapping off of the Tipton Slasher!
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What Gibbs did was stupid but lets not forget the play acting of the Everton player going down clutching his face like he'd had a right good slapping off of the Tipton Slasher!
I agree Frank, for a seasoned pro, Gibbs was naive in reacting, but for the Everton player (who provoked the incident in the first place) to go unpunished was equally bad by Mike Dean.
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Was a terrible reaction from Gibbs and really unlike him. Rodriguez should have got a yellow for leaving the studs in. As Bilic says, Gibbs should have been the one to go down appealing then it would be no red card for Gibbs and a yellow for Rodriguez.
Gibbs has come out an apologised so we should move on.
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Gibbs was stupid and deserves his ban. I think the point was that people were over-reacting with comments about Gibbs wanting a holiday and he should never play for the club again. Sawyers and Periera both got suspended last year for “incidents†and no-one was driving them out of the club.
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I think that level of ill discipline might tip the balance toward Townsend somewhat.
Well no he'd be more reliable, he still wouldn't be as good. I'm not as good as the lads open the bowling for Lancashire 2nd XI, that's life.
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I believe it was his first ever red card yesterday his previous one was overturned whilst at Arsenal due to Mariner sending off the wrong person.
It was a moment of madness that cost us any chance of getting something out the game given the lack of strength of our squad currently, but I certainly would'nt be rushing Townsend anywhere near starting at this level.
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Neither is Gibbs. Hence why no one has come in for him in five transfer windows.
That’s conjecture
Even if true there would be specific financial reasons for that, he is without doubt our strongest left sided defender.
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That’s conjecture
Even if true there would be specific financial reasons for that, he is without doubt our strongest left sided defender.
Grasping at straws. If he was a quality player you’d have had a stampede of clubs trying to sign him up, whereas he’s had no interest. He’s an ageing player with dodgy hamstrings who can’t defend, it’s not exactly surprising that premier league managers would have no interest in him. Even Bilic doesn’t want him. He put him up for sale this summer and we’ve had no takers so we’re stuck with him. Being better than Townsend is meaningless.
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That's just a crazy way of thinking though - "if the player was good there'd be a queue of managers wanting to sign him".
You've no idea if we've turned down any offers in the past, or maybe there's been interest but clubs aren't willing to meet *our* valuation.
The idea that a player can't be any good unless other clubs make public offers is ludricous. Gibbs is easily the best LB we have.
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That's just a crazy way of thinking though - "if the player was good there'd be a queue of managers wanting to sign him".
You've no idea if we've turned down any offers in the past, or maybe there's been interest but clubs aren't willing to meet *our* valuation.
The idea that a player can't be any good unless other clubs make public offers is ludricous. Gibbs is easily the best LB we have.
Yes crazy to believe that good players get attention.
When Gibbs was relegated with us last time his wages halved. What do you think it was that kept him at the club, his love of B71? If he’d had the chance to stay in the premiership his agent would have been all over it.
I agree he’s the best left back we have, he’s still a liability.
The club has publicly offered him up for sale this summer and we still can’t get rid of him.
I know he’s no good as I watch him play every game; I watched that Leicester full back last week bully him for their opening goal, which bit of Kieran Gibbs not defending his goal did you enjoy? He’s still with us as other premier league clubs don’t rate him and neither do I. So he’s only options are a move down to the championship or abroad, on less money. Not surprising he is still here.
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You're not saying "good players get attention", you're saying "if you don't get attention, then you're not a good player". There's a difference.
I thought Brunt\Morrison were both good players - nobody was banging the door down to sign them from us for how many years?
We have no idea of what went on behind the scenes when we got relegated. Maybe clubs came in but their bids weren't high enough. Or that the player wanted to stay at Albion. Or that for the money we were offered we decided to hold onto him. I don't recall him publically asking for a move though.
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Grasping at straws. If he was a quality player you’d have had a stampede of clubs trying to sign him up, whereas he’s had no interest. He’s an ageing player with dodgy hamstrings who can’t defend, it’s not exactly surprising that premier league managers would have no interest in him. Even Bilic doesn’t want him. He put him up for sale this summer and we’ve had no takers so we’re stuck with him. Being better than Townsend is meaningless.
Albion forum “we never have info about players we are in forâ€
Also Albion forum “he’s had no interested teams in four yearsâ€
Cmon, you know we don’t always know.
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Yes crazy to believe that good players get attention.
When Gibbs was relegated with us last time his wages halved. What do you think it was that kept him at the club, his love of B71? If he’d had the chance to stay in the premiership his agent would have been all over it.
I agree he’s the best left back we have, he’s still a liability.
The club has publicly offered him up for sale this summer and we still can’t get rid of him.
I know he’s no good as I watch him play every game; I watched that Leicester full back last week bully him for their opening goal, which bit of Kieran Gibbs not defending his goal did you enjoy? He’s still with us as other premier league clubs don’t rate him and neither do I. So he’s only options are a move down to the championship or abroad, on less money. Not surprising he is still here.
You are unbelievable in your hatred towards Gibbs. Where does this hatred come from!? As he done something to you? I don't like Johnstone or Phillips but i have my say and move on you just can't leave it and you are getting boring now. I hope when Gibbs comes back he as a blinder and shoves your hatred down your throat
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You are unbelievable in your hatred towards Gibbs. Where does this hatred come from!? As he done something to you? I don't like Johnstone or Phillips but i have my say and move on you just can't leave it and you are getting boring now. I hope when Gibbs comes back he as a blinder and shoves your hatred down your throat
Gibbs was very silly yesterday - however he was excellent in first half yesterday - him getting forward improved the effectiveness of Grady immensely. he has his haters on here along with Johnstone and Livermore but mostly its unjustified - just the need of fans to have a scapegoat
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Gibbs got a bump and reacted like a man, but perhaps not like a premier league professional. stupid but it happens. Had he reacted like a premier league professional and gone down and rolled around as if a sniper had shot him in the backside the result would have been the same, he would still have been sent off but for simulation. As ever the Albion man gets the red the perp gets away with it. The same with the VAR for their equaliser, blatant foul on Furlong ignored, but reason found to allow offside goal. Selective viewing, but when has Read ever given us any benefit? Arrogance personified.
We lost again to a better team- no problem, but despite the scoreline this might have been a decent or at least much improved performance.
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Gibbs got a bump and reacted like a man, but perhaps not like a premier league professional. stupid but it happens. Had he reacted like a premier league professional and gone down and rolled around as if a sniper had shot him in the backside the result would have been the same, he would still have been sent off but for simulation. As ever the Albion man gets the red the perp gets away with it. The same with the VAR for their equaliser, blatant foul on Furlong ignored, but reason found to allow offside goal. Selective viewing, but when has Read ever given us any benefit? Arrogance personified.
We lost again to a better team- no problem, but despite the scoreline this might have been a decent or at least much improved performance.
The red card was obvious and unavoidable for the ref, yesterday’s result had nothing to do with Mike Dean.
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The last three or four pages on this topic have been terrible.
Drop the attitudes, stop the abuse or you will be taking a break from the forum.
You’re all better than this - start acting like it..
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The last three or four pages on this topic have been terrible.
Drop the attitudes, stop the abuse or you will be taking a break from the forum.
You’re all better than this - start acting like it..
taking a break of my own accord - whole sense of site is a bit toxic. and to be fair im not sure the sanctimonious utterings from the mods are particualarly helpful. there is censorship of posts from some - but not from their cronies.
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taking a break of my own accord - whole sense of site is a bit toxic. and to be fair im not sure the sanctimonious utterings from the mods are particualarly helpful. there is censorship of posts from some - but not from their cronies.
Oofs , I think that is a bit harsh to a group of guys who, in general, give of their time free and gratis for something they love, West Bromwich Albion.
Emotions and feelings run high on here at times and they, the Mods, in my opinion, are even handed and fair in their management of posts and posters.
I hope, in your self imposed isolation from the forum, you will reflect on your post. I hope you continue to be involved, you have an opinion that adds to the debate and challenges, which is what this forum is about, unless it becomes aggressive, personal and abusive.
I hope to read your posts again soon
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The red card was obvious and unavoidable for the ref, yesterday’s result had nothing to do with Mike Dean.
Where did I say that the result would have been different? My point was that Gibbs was sent off for what he did, no problem, but that the instigator of the whole affair, who was also obviously guilty of this relatively new, and often selectively applied 'simulation' offence, completely gets away with it. None of this changes the fact that in my opinion Dean is a poor referee and an arrogant little Napoleon. The key decisions from the Deans of the prem will not favour WBA this season. Wait watch take notes and consider at the end. If proven wrong I will gladly admit that I should hold the prem and all in it as highly as the media punditry appear to do.
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Where did I say that the result would have been different? My point was that Gibbs was sent off for what he did, no problem, but that the instigator of the whole affair, who was also obviously guilty of this relatively new, and often selectively applied 'simulation' offence, completely gets away with it. None of this changes the fact that in my opinion Dean is a poor referee and an arrogant little Napoleon. The key decisions from the Deans of the prem will not favour WBA this season. Wait watch take notes and consider at the end. If proven wrong I will gladly admit that I should hold the prem and all in it as highly as the media punditry appear to do.
After the last 2 seasons, and despite Dean's arrogance I will find it difficult to criticise the officials this year purely because the ones in the Championship are so very bad.
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taking a break of my own accord - whole sense of site is a bit toxic. and to be fair im not sure the sanctimonious utterings from the mods are particualarly helpful. there is censorship of posts from some - but not from their cronies.
There is no censorship of posts at all BUT there are rules for this forum, those that stick to them are fine, those that breach them see posts removed/ members banned whatever it takes and as for the cronies comment maybe if you saw what gets removed and who gets bans you'd see things differently but alas we'll take the bashing again as usual, thats life, have a great week :)
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After the last 2 seasons, and despite Dean's arrogance I will find it difficult to criticise the officials this year purely because the ones in the Championship are so very bad.
Can't disagree with that
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Can't disagree with that
I’ve no issue with Mike Dean. He isn’t shy of dishing it out to all sides, no matter their status. He wasn’t slow sending off Mata for Utd at the Hawthorns a few years back when a lot of refs would have given him a final warning. I’m also seeing a huge improvement in refereeing decisions this year as they are consulting the pitch side monitors and changing their mind when the VAR ref flags up an issue. Almost all of the big decisions have been correct. Good example with the Brighton player being sent off on review yesterday.
Although the red card for Gibbs and Everton’s first goal went against us from what we want as fans both were correct and we’d have been screaming blue murder at Mike Dean had the roles been reversed and the decisions not been made for us.
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Was he still suspended then? Apologies if this has been dealt with elsewhere but I can only think of suspension as a possible reason for his lack of involvement today.
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No he served a 3 match ban he was available for selection mind you the last time out he did let the team down somewhat.
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Not doing enough in training according to Bilic.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/slaven-bilic-sets-kieran-gibbs-19134990.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Not doing enough in training according to Bilic.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/slaven-bilic-sets-kieran-gibbs-19134990.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Don't care what he's doing in training, he's so far superior to Townsend he should be in the team when fit.
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Don't care what he's doing in training, he's so far superior to Townsend he should be in the team when fit.
Not for me. If he's not working hard enough in training then he doesnt get in the side. If theres a lack of application from him, especially after he let us down so badly at Everton, then thats not acceptable in any way for me. Very disappointing if this is true. He should be doing everything possible to get back in the side and make amends for Everton.
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I expect everybody to give 100% all the time for my club, the correct application is the minimum requirement.
If Gibbs or anyone else cant do that I don't want them anywhere near the pitch and preferably not at the club. I dont care who they are.
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Training poorly is a sign of a bad attitude IMO. It must be constant for him to be left out of the suqad. Needs to buck his ideas up and get on with it for 60k pw.
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Said it before and I'll say it again that we are just a £60k a week caviar laden meal ticket for this has been.
His (non) reactions to that greasy pen at vile Park and his recent sending off, without any remonstration shows he could not give a flying about us, and wanted to get in the shower and get his oversized headphones on on the coach.
Cannot wait until we free him next summer.
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I expect everybody to give 100% all the time for my club, the correct application is the minimum requirement.
If Gibbs or anyone else cant do that I don't want them anywhere near the pitch and preferably not at the club. I dont care who they are.
Summed up perfectly.Gibbs can do one.
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Said it before and I'll say it again that we are just a £60k a week caviar laden meal ticket for this has been. His (non) reactions to that greasy pen at vile Park and his recent sending off, without any remonstration shows he could not give a flying about us, and wanted to get in the shower and get his oversized headphones on on the coach. Cannot wait until we free him next summer.
I think he'd rather spend nine months on the beach collecting his £60k a week than fight it out in a relegation scrap. At least Townsend whilst limited give's it his all and he is certainly better at defending his back post in the air. Gibbs is as good as semi-retired as far as I can see.
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Bit of an overreaction in this thread tonight, if we’re going down the don’t care line then there’s many ‘fan favourites’ that had handled themselves far worse than Gibbs in the last 3 seasons. What Slav has suggested isn’t brilliant when he’s your best full back at the club but one ill disciplined error and fans can’t wait to get rid.
He was the first one to publicly apologise for the relegation the night of Swansea v Southampton...
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Bit of an overreaction in this thread tonight, if we’re going down the don’t care line then there’s many ‘fan favourites’ that had handled themselves far worse than Gibbs in the last 3 seasons. What Slav has suggested isn’t brilliant when he’s your best full back at the club but one ill disciplined error and fans can’t wait to get rid.
He was the first one to publicly apologise for the relegation the night of Swansea v Southampton...
It's not just on the back of that though. If you look back over the course of his time here, people have always been ready to put the boot in as soon as he is even perceived to have done something wrong. It's as though his status makes him an easy target.
Townsend isn't in the same league as a player, but some people would sooner have a 'great lad who works really hard' than a talented player it seems.
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Bit of an overreaction in this thread tonight, if we’re going down the don’t care line then there’s many ‘fan favourites’ that had handled themselves far worse than Gibbs in the last 3 seasons. What Slav has suggested isn’t brilliant when he’s your best full back at the club but one ill disciplined error and fans can’t wait to get rid.
He was the first one to publicly apologise for the relegation the night of Swansea v Southampton...
I don't want him to go, and this is the first Ive heard that has suggested an issue with his application in training. My only observation was that if he's not putting in the effort in training then Bilic is well within his rights to not select him. If he did select him then it would encourage a poor attitude within the rest of the players in my view.
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Maybe Bilic's public criticism of Gibbs is a sign of a wider frustration.
I'm sure not getting Gibbs/Austin (neither even on the bench) off the wage killed other opportunities. On top of that Gibbs gets the totally out of character red card. These early games were crucial for building confidence and we are 2 from 15 so although its not all Gibbs' fault, for your most experienced Prem league player to do that must be infuriating.
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As Gibbs has never had any sort of issue like this previously, it has to be about the shenanigans this summer.
Either
a) He took exception at being publicly lauded as available for transfer and has spat his dummy or
b) Bilic is being a bit spoilt, and slagging him, simply because no-one bought him, therefore hampering his other transfer plans.
If a) Then he needs to pull his socks up and get on with it! His days at this level are very numbered
If b) Then Bilic needs to grow up, get on with it and make sure all of his squad are available and up for the fight, otherwise he may find his days are similarly numbered.
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maybe Slav has determined that the best way to motivate Gibbs is to get on his case. There are some folks who respond to criticism in an "I'll show you, and everyone else" way
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Gibbs is 31 hes not a kid and he should know better.
All in all the bloke is not with the 50k a week or whatever it is we're paying him.
Thankfully his contract is up at the end of this season.
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He will be back in the team soon, and should be. Whatever his shortcomings we simply do not have a left back who is remotely close to being better than Gibbs.
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He will be back in the team soon, and should be. Whatever his shortcomings we simply do not have a left back who is remotely close to being better than Gibbs.
Brunt was better left back than Gibbs and he was a converted winger; Gibbs is now semi-retired and Bilic has had enough. I don't think we are going to see him much if at all this season.
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Its good that Billic has a policy of keeping even established players on their toes. That's the only way you will get everybody giving 100%. As it happens, I think Gibbs is a far better full back than Townsend. He creates more danger at the upper end of the pitch and scores the odd one also. I think he's also slightly taller than Townsend making him better in the air. But doesn't mean he should be able to take it for granted he's in the starting eleven.
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Its good that Billic has a policy of keeping even established players on their toes. That's the only way you will get everybody giving 100%. As it happens, I think Gibbs is a far better full back than Townsend. He creates more danger at the upper end of the pitch and scores the odd one also. I think he's also slightly taller than Townsend making him better in the air. But doesn't mean he should be able to take it for granted he's in the starting eleven.
Neither are particularly tall. The difference is that Conor jumps and has a go. He did really well on Monday to make it difficult enough for Woods of one particular cross when the striker had pulled onto the back post and full back. Compare that with Gibbs who got done against the Leicester full back for their first goal. I'd rather have Townsend defending crosses-in than Gibbs.
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Its good that Billic has a policy of keeping even established players on their toes. That's the only way you will get everybody giving 100%. As it happens, I think Gibbs is a far better full back than Townsend. He creates more danger at the upper end of the pitch and scores the odd one also. I think he's also slightly taller than Townsend making him better in the air. But doesn't mean he should be able to take it for granted he's in the starting eleven.
Not at this level he doesn't. Gibbs has only scored 2 goals in the Premier League in his entire career.
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Neither are particularly tall. The difference is that Conor jumps and has a go. He did really well on Monday to make it difficult enough for Woods of one particular cross when the striker had pulled onto the back post and full back. Compare that with Gibbs who got done against the Leicester full back for their first goal. I'd rather have Townsend defending crosses-in than Gibbs.
Not so sure about that. If you watch Townsend at corners he rarely gets his head on the ball and if its one against one he nearly always comes off worst because he's not that tall.
But also his crosses are not that great. He usually delivers without getting past his opposite full back so they are swinging away from any incoming forwards.
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Not so sure about that. If you watch Townsend at corners he rarely gets his head on the ball and if its one against one he nearly always comes off worst because he's not that tall.
it's hard to compare a player that has played 172 times in the PL with one who has played only 3 times but Townsend has higher tackle win (75% /68%) and crossing accuracy (25% / 19%) percentages than Gibbs.
https://www.premierleague.com/players/3046/Kieran-Gibbs/stats
https:/www.premierleague.com/players/4864/Conor-Townsend/stats
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Its good that Billic has a policy of keeping even established players on their toes. That's the only way you will get everybody giving 100%. As it happens, I think Gibbs is a far better full back than Townsend. He creates more danger at the upper end of the pitch and scores the odd one also. I think he's also slightly taller than Townsend making him better in the air. But doesn't mean he should be able to take it for granted he's in the starting eleven.
Townsend is far better than Gibbs in the air; I actually remember seeing some stats from last year in the Championship but he is a way above average full back in terms of aerial success.
Agree Gibbs being better overall and in the attacking third especially and with the initial point about keeping established players on their feet.
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Gibbs like Phillips is on a downward trend. Not much in it between him and Townsend. Gibbs is faster but Townsend has a better cross. Neither are great defenders.
Both out of contract come July. Of the 2 I would be keeping Townsend and then trying to sign a first choice left back
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Not so sure about that. If you watch Townsend at corners he rarely gets his head on the ball and if its one against one he nearly always comes off worst because he's not that tall.
But also his crosses are not that great. He usually delivers without getting past his opposite full back so they are swinging away from any incoming forwards.
Townsend put the best cross in all night again at Burnley, if Pereira went with his head instead of shooting we'd probably have won the game.
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Brunt was better left back than Gibbs and he was a converted winger; Gibbs is now semi-retired and Bilic has had enough. I don't think we are going to see him much if at all this season.
Brunt a better left back? Best I’ve heard in a while.
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Sometimes it's worth taking a trip to the top of these threads, nobody pointed out that he was 27 and the back end of a four contract might end up looking like this, no not even me. At the time I was slightly shocked that we had signed a left back.
As a full back or at least one not operating in a low block he had one or maybe two years of peak everything thereafter is post peak and you have to hope that the drop off isn't too great and not accelerated by injury.
The four years at the club have been mixed. Not the worst player in the relegation season but nobody came out of it with an enhanced reputation and stuck with us (maybe nobody was keen on taking on his contract plus a fee). Dropping down a level gave him a new lease of life and he had a good 2nd season. Last year mixed mainly due to persistent injury and I think a natural age related decline that had been masked the previous season by playing at a lower level.
This brings us to today last year of contract probably not able to hack it at the top level but one of the better paid players at the club losing his place in the team to the lesser talent of Townsend because of ill discipline and the fact that Townsend has the legs.
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I don't, for a single minute, think he has 'lost his place', a matter of time before he's recalled.
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I don't, for a single minute, think he has 'lost his place', a matter of time before he's recalled.
You want to think yourself lucky I'm not head coach (and I'm sure you and many others do). He wouldn't get a look in under me.
He and Phillips wouldn't get near the eighteen.
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You want to think yourself lucky I'm not head coach (and I'm sure you and many others do). He wouldn't get a look in under me.
He and Phillips wouldn't get near the eighteen.
We do, every day.
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We do, every day.
Honestly can't remember the last time I prayed but I think I'll gve extra thanks tonight, Gayle on the left ;D .
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KG has been a poor signing, wrong age, wrong profile, huge wages, impossible to get rid. He won't be missed in the summer when he's finished milking his contract.
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But he's the best left back on the books................
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KG has been a poor signing, wrong age, wrong profile, huge wages, impossible to get rid. He won't be missed in the summer when he's finished milking his contract.
this is such complete and utter nonsense - he is so obviously a class above most of our squad and the only problem with him is that he is made of glass
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But he's the best left back on the books................
By a country mile
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KG has been a poor signing, wrong age, wrong profile, huge wages, impossible to get rid. He won't be missed in the summer when he's finished milking his contract.
Flattered to deceive at times but moments of real quality. Played 90 games for us, never looked out of place in the PL and didn't sulk on relegation. There have been many much worse signings.
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He didn't sulk on relegation as nobody wanted him. If a PL team had been interested his agent would have been looking to get him out of the door. He's on a cushy contract with us. I expect him to retire or move to the MLS by the summer as no Premiership team will want him and I can't see championship clubs being overly keen and if they are they are only going to be offering him a fraction of his current wage.
He joined us, we got relegated. Then we lost in the play offs after he had a decent season in the championship and gifted Villa a penalty in the play offs. Then he was out for most of last season. Now he's been suspended and dropped and lost his place this year with the manager criticising his training. He is the epitome of a failed signing. No resell value and wages more than he can command in the market.
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He didn't sulk on relegation as nobody wanted him. If a PL team had been interested his agent would have been looking to get him out of the door. He's on a cushy contract with us. I expect him to retire or move to the MLS by the summer as no Premiership team will want him and I can't see championship clubs being overly keen and if they are they are only going to be offering him a fraction of his current wage.
He joined us, we got relegated. Then we lost in the play offs after he had a decent season in the championship and gifted Villa a penalty in the play offs. Then he was out for most of last season. Now he's been suspended and dropped and lost his place this year with the manager criticising his training. He is the epitome of a failed signing. No resell value and wages more than he can command in the market.
Too true. Almost £3 million a year in wages for him, only some of our fans think he's worth it, no-one inside football does.
I wouldn't be surprised if he retires at the end of the season. Whatever he does is fine by me as long as he's not taking money out of our club for giving next to nothing in return.
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this is such complete and utter nonsense - he is so obviously a class above most of our squad
No! He isn't.
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He didn't sulk on relegation as nobody wanted him. If a PL team had been interested his agent would have been looking to get him out of the door. He's on a cushy contract with us. I expect him to retire or move to the MLS by the summer as no Premiership team will want him and I can't see championship clubs being overly keen and if they are they are only going to be offering him a fraction of his current wage.
He joined us, we got relegated. Then we lost in the play offs after he had a decent season in the championship and gifted Villa a penalty in the play offs. Then he was out for most of last season. Now he's been suspended and dropped and lost his place this year with the manager criticising his training. He is the epitome of a failed signing. No resell value and wages more than he can command in the market.
I don't know what a cushy contract means. You could say that about Johnstone, Livermore, Sawyers. Do you expect him to play for peanuts? You're right in the sense that top teams will not be after him, but he's still one of the better full backs in the lower half of the Prem and one of the best in the Championship. It took us ages to find a left back, and when fit he's the obvious choice for left back.
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While I think Gibbs has been a mixed bag here I've never been hugely impressed , Townsend although limited has done well from where he came from .
The real truth is we needed a solid LB in this last window and now we are hoping one of the above can get us through until January.
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I can’t see us finding money for a left back in Jan. I expect Gibbs and Townsend will need to see us through to the end of the season.
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The key reason we don't have a new left back is the wages for a new left back are largely tied up in Gibbs' contract. Until he is off the books the left back options will be Gibbs and Townsend.
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I like Conor Townsend and the effort he has put in this season already but Gibbs has to start from now on in my opinion. If we are to stand any chance of competing in this league we need to put our best players in each position and he is miles ahead of Townsend.
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I like Conor Townsend and the effort he has put in this season already but Gibbs has to start from now on in my opinion. If we are to stand any chance of competing in this league we need to put our best players in each position and he is miles ahead of Townsend.
If he bothers to turn up AND stay on the pitch then possibly yes.
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there is no doubt he has quality, he's made of glass and has suspect determination, if he hadn't he wouldn't be playing for us.
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Has to start. He'd be one of my first names on the team sheet and the alternative is defensively completely inadequate.
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Has to start. He'd be one of my first names on the team sheet and the alternative is defensively completely inadequate.
Neither are good enough , Gibbs has never been great at actual defending.
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Neither are good enough , Gibbs has never been great at actual defending.
Thing is, somebody said Gibbs wasn't a shoo-in but i'd say Townsend is a shoo-out which just leaves Gibbs
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Thing is, somebody said Gibbs wasn't a shoo-in but i'd say Townsend is a shoo-out which just leaves Gibbs
Townsend has done alright short term , I can see O'Shea going over to LB if we stiffen the side up soon .
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Neither are good enough , Gibbs has never been great at actual defending.
Agreed, which is why it was so short sighted when we wouldn't back Bilic to sign Robinson, who although would have cost big wages (similar to Gibbs, ironically) had a bargain transfer fee and massive resale potential. How do we expect to finish above teams like Fulham when they have invested in players and a squad superior to ours?
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It appears to be that Gibbs has become the latest in a long line of whipping boys, for so many posters on this forum. Each of course is entitled to their opinion.
My opinion is that although Townsend is to be commended for his effort and his noticeable improvement, Gibbs is the more effective of the two. I also seem to remember Diangana's best performances have been when Gibbs was in the team. It looks as though with Gibbs playing, Diangana gets further forward more often and is able to more easily link up with MP and/or Krov when they are also played in their best positions.
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In the long-run I don't think Gibbs or Townsend are the answer. Both have different problems.
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In the long-run I don't think Gibbs or Townsend are the answer. Both have different problems.
Very true Argo, but it don't look like we are going to get a long run does it?
Seriously though I just feel we need to utilise the best of our limited options in their most effective roles, do this consistently and if we get more than our fair share of luck we might just finish above bottom 3. Anything else dooms us to failure. Just hope Bilic is big enough and honest enough to give his best players the best chance to shine. Dropping Gibbs for more matches after his ban for getting one stupid red card is cutting off the teams nose to spite its collective face. Townsend has had a decent go, but now we need to put the better, or more experienced player back in just to see if we improve.
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KG has the dubious honour of a fantasy premier league score of -3 currently. Just saying !
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Nice story about Kieran helping out
https://news.sky.com/story/kieran-gibbs-social-responsibility-is-everyones-business-12172598
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Good for him. A nice touch. They get lots of bad press, mostly deserved but this is top class.
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Ably assisted by Grady but another who turned in a superb performance against the best striker in the division.
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Ably assisted by Grady but another who turned in a superb performance against the best striker in the division.
Agreed , to go with his Man City performance.
However IMO he was lacking against Villa so lets hope Leeds is another good performance.
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Gibbs can't defend in an expansive set up, his distances are awful. Did ok yesterday, looks better in a tighter, narrower set up.
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Actually thought he was mom yesterday, not only for his own performance but always seemed to be helping Oshea, Diangana by talking , quietly pointing etc . Made sure little threat really came from his side compared to down their left
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Moderate and or old slow defenders defend compact spaces better and if they do make a mistake there is likely to be cover on hand to stop the mistake turning into a shooting opportunity or a goal. Gibbs is moderate old and is probably not as quick as he used to be works in a deep sitting block.
The fear is if we stay up we might offer him an extension.
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Moderate and or old slow defenders defend compact spaces better and if they do make a mistake there is likely to be cover on hand to stop the mistake turning into a shooting opportunity or a goal. Gibbs is moderate old and is probably not as quick as he used to be works in a deep sitting block.
The fear is if we stay up we might offer him an extension.
No chance IMV, unless he fancies a 50% pay cut.
I'm still gutted we didn't sign Anthony Robinson. He is already worth £15m.
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Thought he kept Salah fairly quiet.
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Gibbs can't defend in an expansive set up, his distances are awful. Did ok yesterday, looks better in a tighter, narrower set up.
And if Townsend had put that same performance in you'd have been right up his tighter, narrower set up ;D ;) .
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And if Townsend had put that same performance in you'd have been right up his tighter, narrower set up ;D ;) .
Liverpool don't carry a threat in the air. No target man, the best they have is Mane and that isn't his strength either. Gibbs is pretty terrible at defending crosses at the back post and stopping crosses into the box, as we saw against Villa. He will have tougher tests against more direct sides. I would much rather have Townsend for example defending the back post against a Burnley or Everton. The Leeds game next is interesting. They run, run and run. I've no idea how we are going to plan to overcome their man to man marking system. Gibbs like a few others is ageing and isn't the flying full back he used to be.
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We need to pay this guy up and get rid. I mean seriously, is it not time he needs to start thinking how long he can play for.
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What was the latest problem, another hamstring injury?
I wouldn't be surprised if he retires in the summer. Only a few championship clubs would be interested in him at a fraction of the wages he is used to receiving.
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What was the latest problem, another hamstring injury?
I wouldn't be surprised if he retires in the summer. Only a few championship clubs would be interested in him at a fraction of the wages he is used to receiving.
Thigh injury. Big ask for Gibbs 2 games in 48hours. Still by far the best option at left back.
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Thigh injury. Big ask for Gibbs 2 games in 48hours. Still by far the best option at left back.
I agree that Gibbs is the best left back at the club, however given his recent injuries it was no surprise he didn’t start.
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stubbed his finger in the warm up. get rid
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He will be gone at the end of the season thankfully. The guy is a liability.
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He will be gone at the end of the season thankfully. The guy is a liability.
And he will get a move to the premier league similar to craig dawson
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And he will get a move to the premier league similar to craig dawson
He wont.
I wouldnt be surprised if he retires.
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He wont.
I wouldnt be surprised if he retires.
He wont retire
He will rock up somewhere like Palace
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He wont retire
He will rock up somewhere like Palace
What as club mascot? Premier league clubs want powerful young athletic full backs, not old slow injury prone players.
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What as club mascot? Premier league clubs want powerful young athletic full backs, not old slow injury prone players.
Someone like Bruce will probably go for him
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final straw, needs outing now !
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Someone like Bruce will probably go for him
Are you his agent? Bruce signed 20 year old Jamal Lewis this summer for £15m, why would he want 31 year old Kieran Gibbs who can't run, play games without getting injured or head the ball. The modern full back is the most demanding position on the pitch; you need players with incredible energy not OAPs with zimmer frames.
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Still our best leftback.
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Still our best leftback.
Yes, a bit harsh getting slated without kicking a ball.
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Gibbs is our best left back but it's the ridiculous wages he's in that gets people's backs up I think but it's not his fault the club offered him the deal they did. 5 months left and his wages will be off the books.
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Gibbs is our best left back but it's the ridiculous wages he's in that gets people's backs up I think but it's not his fault the club offered him the deal they did. 5 months left and his wages will be off the books.
We signed him from Arsenal he was probably on a good wage there
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More the length of it for me. He had just started having injuries too. We didn't protect ourselves. Not Gibbs fault of course.
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More the length of it for me. He had just started having injuries too. We didn't protect ourselves. Not Gibbs fault of course.
True
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Are you his agent? Bruce signed 20 year old Jamal Lewis this summer for £15m, why would he want 31 year old Kieran Gibbs who can't run, play games without getting injured or head the ball. The modern full back is the most demanding position on the pitch; you need players with incredible energy not OAPs with zimmer frames.
Spot on and they need to have a pain threshold a bit more than my nan has, unfortunately he hasn't .
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Look so so much better when he is in the team I rate him, shame about the injuries but not really his fault
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I like him when he plays, one of our better players but its all academic if he is constantly injured, time to get someone in to put pressure on / be better than Townsend (sadly)
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Any one know what happened to him in the warm up? Or did he just not fancy it?
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Any one know what happened to him in the warm up? Or did he just not fancy it?
Allardyce said he felt something go in his thigh
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This fella for me sums up the issues in our squad ,he's on very good money yet doesn't defend or do the basics very well apart from 1 good game in 8 .
I expect more from someone with England caps and all his Arsenal stuff , he's not the only one floating along seeing off managers at the Albion but he is part of it .
Sooner that hefty contract runs down the better .
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A typical arsenal defender doesn't like defending
Weak, poor aerialy, lack of commitment and made of biscuits
Roll on the end of the season when he's gone
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Townsend is back in training, thank god.
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Gibbs is better than Townsend Klaxon.
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Gibbs is better than Townsend Klaxon.
was better, isn't anymore. I'm pretty sure someone on here posted the stats for when each starts and they were a lot better when Townsend starts.
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A fine player in his day but now age and injuries have caught up with him. He doesnt have much longer left here thankfully.
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was better, isn't anymore. I'm pretty sure someone on here posted the stats for when each starts and they were a lot better when Townsend starts.
Agree to disagree. Still streets better imo.
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was better, isn't anymore. I'm pretty sure someone on here posted the stats for when each starts and they were a lot better when Townsend starts.
That was me and they are by quite a margin as well and not a tiny sample.
Gibbs is one of those players that can look good. It's an optical illusion. He looks smooth, he has a wonderful first touch and really good balance. They are the pluses.
The minuses cannot tackle, awful in the air, terrible distances, cant defend one on one, cant defend anything that comes into the box, cannot stop crosses. And for someone that has decent technique barely ever scores, barely ever assists.
Townsend IS better, the stats say so categorically, they are so conclusive its very, very hard to argue against.
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What does "terrible distances" mean?
Townsend is nowhere near as good - he might edge Gibbs out defensively, but we lose way more going forward. When Townsend plays lots of attacks come down our left hand side, when Gibbs plays nowhere near as much. Townsend will get better but positionally he gets dragged all over the place in the same way as O'Shea sometimes does.
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What does "terrible distances" mean?
Townsend is nowhere near as good - he might edge Gibbs out defensively, but we lose way more going forward. When Townsend plays lots of attacks come down our left hand side, when Gibbs plays nowhere near as much. Townsend will get better but positionally he gets dragged all over the place in the same way as O'Shea sometimes does.
You are wrong. Every stat tells you that.
It could be a ridiculous co-incidence of course. But yeah, only if you really want to believe that.
Facts vs your opinion.
Facts win, sorry mate.
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You are wrong. Every stat tells you that.
It could be a ridiculous co-incidence of course. But yeah, only if you really want to believe that.
Facts vs your opinion.
Facts win, sorry mate.
What facts and stats? Stats are quite useful but if you're going to compare two players in the same position you've got to take into account the opposition, our tactics, who was playing in front of him, etc.
When we play anyone half decent, I'd much rather have Gibbs in there than Townsend. It seems that recent managers also agree.
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You are wrong. Every stat tells you that.
It could be a ridiculous co-incidence of course. But yeah, only if you really want to believe that.
The stats are marginal. Points won w/Gibbs 5. Points won w/ Townsend 6.
Gibbs also hasn't cost us a cup tie.
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What facts and stats? Stats are quite useful but if you're going to compare two players in the same position you've got to take into account the opposition, our tactics, who was playing in front of him, etc.
When we play anyone half decent, I'd much rather have Gibbs in there than Townsend. It seems that recent managers also agree.
You have a closed mind.
I'm not digging those stats out again it's time consuming, I've just done a night shift and I'm ready for bed.
Trust me I wouldn't open myself to ridicule I would not have posted them had they not been very conclusive.
There wasnt any major variant of opposition or anything like that. They were fair stats. Anything other is pointless.
I know it's not nice to be proved wrong but trust me we as a team are far better with Townsend rather than Gibbs. It's as simple as that, however anyone tries to spin it I.e. Jacko above.
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Have to agree to disagree. You can use your stats, which do tell some of the story, it's not like I'm ruling everything out. But when I watch what happens on the pitch I see loads of times when Townsend has been sucked out of position and it's caused chaos at the back as we try and cover for him. He will close down, then when the ball is passed off short, he'll chase the ball. Then it'll get passed short again and suddenly he's well out of position and left gaps at the back. None of that shows up in the stats.
Wonder why successive managers have disagreed with you?
Oh, have a good rest, I couldn't face working night shifts. Dunno how you do it.
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My twopennuth is that Townsend couldn't live with a fully fit, in his prime Gibbs, but, sadly, that is something we will never see again. Gibbs is in decline both physically and mentally and it shows. Townsend however, is on the up and whilst he will never reach the dizzy heights that Gibbs did, at this moment he is the better option.
Hopefully next year we have an alternative option.
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Have to agree to disagree. You can use your stats, which do tell some of the story, it's not like I'm ruling everything out. But when I watch what happens on the pitch I see loads of times when Townsend has been sucked out of position and it's caused chaos at the back as we try and cover for him. He will close down, then when the ball is passed off short, he'll chase the ball. Then it'll get passed short again and suddenly he's well out of position and left gaps at the back. None of that shows up in the stats.
Wonder why successive managers have disagreed with you?
Oh, have a good rest, I couldn't face working night shifts. Dunno how you do it.
They havent Bilic was picking Townsend over Gibbs until he got injured.
You are trusting your eyes. You seem to have this thing about players going out of position O'Shea another one but sometimes players have to react to the actions of other players, it's not as simple as "he should stay there".
Anyway I'm off to bed. Free reign for Jacko to try and plead Gibbs' miserable case while I'm away. 😉
You get used to night shifts. That's it's for me. Laters mate.
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No pleading necessary. Gibbs key to resolute defensive performances at City and Liverpool. Far better on the ball. Far better positioning. And the stat you keep banging on about is a goals conceded stat you put in an after match debate, that doesn't account for opposition or what any of the other players have or haven't done. :-\
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Gibbs is better than Townsend Klaxon.
I agree totally. Townsend has improved and Gibbs isn't perfect. He is however still better than Townsend.
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cannot tackle,
awful in the air,
terrible distances,
cant defend one on one,
cant defend anything that comes into the box,
cannot stop crosses.
barely ever scores,
barely ever assists.
Yeah, you've summed Gibbs up nicely. Amazing isn't it that we couldn't give him away in the summer?!
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I’d have Gibbs over Townsend every day of the week and at this moment in time I can’t say I’m massively impressed with Gibbs.
I like Townsend, he’s one of those that will put in a shift but in terms of actual football ability it’s Gibbs for me
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To be honest I can barely make a case either way between Gibbs and Townsend. On balance I think Townsend has looked better than Gibbs but it is pretty damn close.
Gibbs used to be a better left back but he's been trading off his reputation pretty much the whole time he has been at the club.
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To be honest I can barely make a case either way between Gibbs and Townsend. On balance I think Townsend has looked better than Gibbs but it is pretty damn close.
Gibbs used to be a better left back but he's been trading off his reputation pretty much the whole time he has been at the club.
I agree. My bigger issue is right back. Furlong is a nightmare at defending and we conceded goals from him losing his man at the back post. O’Shea needs to be playing there instead.
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I've been a fan of Gibbs at his best but although his touch and athletesism make him LOOK like a good full back he just isnt. I was low down in the East Stand for a season so had him yards away 45 mins each game. He stopped at best 50% of the crosses coming in from his side, was never strong in the tacke and poor in the air defensively. Again looks good going forward but despite the odd goal contributes few crosses.
Townsend LOOKS ungainly at times and doesn't seem as quick as Gibbs, but might very well be. He's commited in the tackle and although not tall uses his body well to be competitive in the air. He has improved immensely and is not given credit for the quality of his delivery, occasionally he puts in an absolute peach. Is he PL quality? probably not, but time will tell with continued improvement. Should be get the shirt for the next game? After Gibbs showing against City, which was utterly horryfying. definitely yes.
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Gibbs performance against Man City was one of the worst any full back has ever produced since the premier league was formed.
The difference between him and Townsend is obvious, Townsend tries to defend, whereas Gibbs doesn't. It's night and day in respect of concentration, commitment and competitiveness. That doesn't mean Townsend is the next Ashley Cole, he has his limitations; that said he is one of our most improved players this season and was in good form before he got injured.
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Gibbs performance against Man City was one of the worst any full back has ever produced since the premier league was formed.
The difference between him and Townsend is obvious, Townsend tries to defend, whereas Gibbs doesn't. It's night and day in respect of concentration, commitment and competitiveness. That doesn't mean Townsend is the next Ashley Cole, he has his limitations; that said he is one of our most improved players this season and was in good form before he got injured.
Hysterical hyperbole. Becoming the norm.
Of our back 4 Gibbs was probably the best on Tuesday.
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Hysterical hyperbole. Becoming the norm.
Of our back 4 Gibbs was probably the best on Tuesday.
I normally agree with a lot you say but Gibbs is a typical arsenal defender from the Wenger era. He can't defend. He's a coward and very weak. Never stops crosses he would rather turn his back on it.
Townsend as improved massively but is he premiership quality I don't think so but he's committed and trys something lacking from some of our other players.
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He wasn't committed when he ducked out of the header against Brentford mate.
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Graka, I have to pull you up on this mate,
typical arsenal defender from the Wenger era.
Adams / Keown / Winterburn / campbell / toure / cole ??? Gibbs has never been in the same class as these guys.
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So generally football fans don't change their minds very easily. People will have their beliefs, maybe based on what they think they see in a game, or a stat that suits their argument. And then someone else has an opposing view and they say "Your view doesn't align with my view, therefore you're wrong". It's what generates discussion. The fact, is, there probably isn't a lot between them, and with Townsend being injured up until now, we don't know if Allardyce would prefer Gibbs had both been available.
All that said, I decided to look at a few Attacking and Defensive stats to see if there was anything that came out:
Defensive
A defender's job is to defend, apparently. Many of our fans dislike full backs that don't tackle or seem to let wingers get in down their side, so let's have a look at how Gibbs and Townsend compare on some individual metrics*
Tackles per 90 - Townsend wins
Both players are in the bottom half of the squad stats for tackles per 90, but both are ahead of Furlong. Of players to who have played 10 or more 90 minutes (minutes divided by 90), Conor Gallagher comes out on top with 3.09, which backs up his energy and relentlessness in midfield.
Townsend - 1.79
Gibbs - 1.38
Tackles Won per 90 - Townsend wins
As above, but the ball is actually retained by WBA.
Townsend - 1.15
Gibbs - 0.5
Percentage of Dribblers Tackled per 90 - Townsend wins
This is their tackling prowess vs dribblers, rather than perhaps where the player is stationary with the ball. It gives an indication of how they are as 1 on 1 defenders.
Townsend - 53.8%
Gibbs - 33.3%
Townsend is actually the fifth best overall, and top when look at players with more than 2 games worth of minutes (Peltier, Harper, Austin and Field are above him)
Number of times dribbled past per 90 - Gibbs wins
This is related to the above, but is worth a look by itself. Grosicki is dribbled passed more than any other player, which may indicate why he could be leaving The Hawthorns.
Townsend - 0.77
Gibbs - 0.50
(Lower value is better)
Number of pressures per 90 - Townsend 'wins'
I'll caveat this one by saying West Brom don't press much at all - I think we are only above Newcastle in Passes per Defensive Action. Also, pressuring the ball can mean leaving your position and creating gaps which can be exploited. That said, fans want full backs to pressure wingers. Again, Gallagher tops the charts (other than Sam Field) with 24 pressures per 90.
Townsend - 11.2
Gibbs - 8.5
Successful Pressure % - Townsend wins
Not only does Townsend pressure opponents more, his pressures that result in WBA gaining possession within five seconds are a higher percentage of all pressures. It should be noted that both Townsend and Gibbs are either mid table or in the bottom half for both this metric and the one above. Furlong is even worse than Gibbs at pressures per 90 (7.6)
Townsend - 27.6%
Gibbs - 22.1%
Blocks per 90 - Gibbs wins
A block is defined as 'number of times blocking the ball by standing in its path'. This can be a shot, cross or pass, and we're not bothered by if WBA keep possession.
Townsend - 1.67
Gibbs - 2.25
Interceptions per 90 - Gibbs wins
Gibbs is fourth overall, and does anyone want to guess who is number one and number two? It's Jake Livermore and Romaine Sawyers. Obviously it would be better to adjust per opponents touches, but I don't have that to hand.
Townsend - 0.9
Gibbs - 1.25
Aerial Duels won % per 90 - Townsend wins
Not surprising, really. We all would acknowledge Gibbs isn't great in the air. Townsend is fifth overall, behind Peltier, Sawyers (!), Hegazi, and Bartley.
Townsend - 65.5% (19 out of 29)
Gibbs - 41.2% (7 out of 17)
So overall I think we can see that Townsend is better as a 1 on 1 defender, where perhaps Gibbs is the more cerebral defender, generally getting himself in the way of the ball in terms of blocks and interceptions.
* This is just a small selection of metrics, and I've tried to be unbiased about which ones I've chosen. These are also individual metrics, don't cover the player's positioning, or account for the strength of opposition.
Attacking
Of course, modern full backs are expected to attack too, so it's only right we look at the offensive output of these two.
Expected Assists per 90 - Tie
Everyone say it with me, "Expected Goals and Assists are useful metrics". As a team, we're not great at creating goalscoring opportunities, but these two are inseparable - the shots from their passes create an xG of 0.03 goals per game (Pereira is top with 0.15).
Townsend - 0.03
Gibbs - 0.03
Passes Completed per 90 - Townsend wins
Conor loves a good pass. And I use 'good' as an expression, not a statement of quality. He is second only to Krovinovic in Completed Passes per 90.
Townsend - 44.6
Gibbs - 24.5
Progressive Passing Distance (metres) per 90 - Townsend wins
Not only does Conor like a pass, but they generally go towards the opposition goal. Kieran is very much in the middle of the pack, while Conor is fourth behind both goalkeepers and Hegazi.
Townsend - 331.0m
Gibbs - 144.1m
Key Passes per 90 - Townsend wins
Build up play is nice, but goals require shots. A Key Pass is defined as a Pass that directly leads to a shot.
Townsend - 0.51
Gibbs - 0.25
Crosses into Penalty Area per 90 - Townsend wins
Well, it's not just about passing, is it? Full backs are required to cross, often from deep positions. here we see the 'wand' of Matt Philips is still being used, as he leads the way. Furlong is third, and Townsend joint fourth, while Gibbs is seventh.
Townsend - 0.38
Gibbs - 0.15
Goal creating actions per 90 - Gibbs wins
Bizarrely, given he's rumoured to be leaving, Grosicki leads this table. That won't surprise most fans. That Dara O'Shea is fifth, may surprise you. A 'Goal Creating Action' is defined as "two offensive actions directly leading to a goal, such as passes, dribbles and drawing fouls. Note: A single player can receive credit for multiple actions and the shot-taker can also receive credit."
Townsend - 0.00
Gibbs - 0.13
So Townsend generally puts up good attacking number. Personally, I think that has a lot to do with Bilic setting us up to play down our left flank - our passing charts from earlier in the season generally showed as much. Also Gibbs has played vs Liverpool, and maybe Man City twice, which will obviously curtail his attacking threat.
In Summary
If you prefer Townsend before, you'll probably think I've backed you up, and if you prefer Gibbs, then you'll look at the caveats and provisos I've made and say that I haven't factored quality of opposition into the analysis. Either way, I've spent the best part of my evening putting this together, and it's unlikely to make much difference to anyone's opinion. Such is life.
All stats are from:
https://fbref.com/en/squads/60c6b05f/West-Bromwich-Albion-Stats
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Told ya so !
seriously thats a great piece of work even if all it tells me is that you have too much time on your hands ;D
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Really interesting Mark, thanks for that, fbref is such a good resource. Obviously there are caveats also in the style of full back you want, a stand offish full back like Gibbs would be no good in a Diego Simeone team for example. I'd suggest though that the aerial ability and forward thinking play of Townsend will appeal to Allardyce and suit our play more. As per the above, as well as the eye test, he has probably performed better this season too.
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Really interesting Mark, thanks for that, fbref is such a good resource. Obviously there are caveats also in the style of full back you want, a stand offish full back like Gibbs would be no good in a Diego Simeone team for example. I'd suggest though that the aerial ability and forward thinking play of Townsend will appeal to Allardyce and suit our play more. As per the above, as well as the eye test, he has probably performed better this season too.
A stand offish full back is no use in any team, ever.
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I've spent the best part of my evening putting this together, and it's unlikely to make much difference to anyone's opinion. Such is life.
Actually, you did :) I always thought Gibbs was the more attacking of the two, you showed that's not the case. Of course, if the attacks don't come to anything it's moot, but still, interesting to see. Your effort is above and beyond!
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It does make the case for Townsend over Gibbs, which is strange as I do prefer Gibbs overall. Whoever we go with, I’d like a new left back next season,
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It does make the case for Townsend over Gibbs, which is strange as I do prefer Gibbs overall. Whoever we go with, I’d like a new left back next season,
You might get your wish as both are out of contract although I wouldn't be against Townsend in the Championship
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A stand offish full back is no use in any team, ever.
I would describe Dawson at rb under Pulis as stand offish for example, he preferred a tight back 4 with the wide midfielders back helping out but guessing you mean in your personal preference.
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You might get your wish as both are out of contract although I wouldn't be against Townsend in the Championship
Without any young left backs breaking through, he is probably fine as a backup in this league of the improbable were to happen. I would resign him.
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So generally football fans don't change their minds very easily. People will have their beliefs, maybe based on what they think they see in a game, or a stat that suits their argument. And then someone else has an opposing view and they say "Your view doesn't align with my view, therefore you're wrong". It's what generates discussion. The fact, is, there probably isn't a lot between them, and with Townsend being injured up until now, we don't know if Allardyce would prefer Gibbs had both been available.
All that said, I decided to look at a few Attacking and Defensive stats to see if there was anything that came out:
Defensive
A defender's job is to defend, apparently. Many of our fans dislike full backs that don't tackle or seem to let wingers get in down their side, so let's have a look at how Gibbs and Townsend compare on some individual metrics*
Tackles per 90 - Townsend wins
Both players are in the bottom half of the squad stats for tackles per 90, but both are ahead of Furlong. Of players to who have played 10 or more 90 minutes (minutes divided by 90), Conor Gallagher comes out on top with 3.09, which backs up his energy and relentlessness in midfield.
Townsend - 1.79
Gibbs - 1.38
Tackles Won per 90 - Townsend wins
As above, but the ball is actually retained by WBA.
Townsend - 1.15
Gibbs - 0.5
Percentage of Dribblers Tackled per 90 - Townsend wins
This is their tackling prowess vs dribblers, rather than perhaps where the player is stationary with the ball. It gives an indication of how they are as 1 on 1 defenders.
Townsend - 53.8%
Gibbs - 33.3%
Townsend is actually the fifth best overall, and top when look at players with more than 2 games worth of minutes (Peltier, Harper, Austin and Field are above him)
Number of times dribbled past per 90 - Gibbs wins
This is related to the above, but is worth a look by itself. Grosicki is dribbled passed more than any other player, which may indicate why he could be leaving The Hawthorns.
Townsend - 0.77
Gibbs - 0.50
(Lower value is better)
Number of pressures per 90 - Townsend 'wins'
I'll caveat this one by saying West Brom don't press much at all - I think we are only above Newcastle in Passes per Defensive Action. Also, pressuring the ball can mean leaving your position and creating gaps which can be exploited. That said, fans want full backs to pressure wingers. Again, Gallagher tops the charts (other than Sam Field) with 24 pressures per 90.
Townsend - 11.2
Gibbs - 8.5
Successful Pressure % - Townsend wins
Not only does Townsend pressure opponents more, his pressures that result in WBA gaining possession within five seconds are a higher percentage of all pressures. It should be noted that both Townsend and Gibbs are either mid table or in the bottom half for both this metric and the one above. Furlong is even worse than Gibbs at pressures per 90 (7.6)
Townsend - 27.6%
Gibbs - 22.1%
Blocks per 90 - Gibbs wins
A block is defined as 'number of times blocking the ball by standing in its path'. This can be a shot, cross or pass, and we're not bothered by if WBA keep possession.
Townsend - 1.67
Gibbs - 2.25
Interceptions per 90 - Gibbs wins
Gibbs is fourth overall, and does anyone want to guess who is number one and number two? It's Jake Livermore and Romaine Sawyers. Obviously it would be better to adjust per opponents touches, but I don't have that to hand.
Townsend - 0.9
Gibbs - 1.25
Aerial Duels won % per 90 - Townsend wins
Not surprising, really. We all would acknowledge Gibbs isn't great in the air. Townsend is fifth overall, behind Peltier, Sawyers (!), Hegazi, and Bartley.
Townsend - 65.5% (19 out of 29)
Gibbs - 41.2% (7 out of 17)
So overall I think we can see that Townsend is better as a 1 on 1 defender, where perhaps Gibbs is the more cerebral defender, generally getting himself in the way of the ball in terms of blocks and interceptions.
* This is just a small selection of metrics, and I've tried to be unbiased about which ones I've chosen. These are also individual metrics, don't cover the player's positioning, or account for the strength of opposition.
Attacking
Of course, modern full backs are expected to attack too, so it's only right we look at the offensive output of these two.
Expected Assists per 90 - Tie
Everyone say it with me, "Expected Goals and Assists are useful metrics". As a team, we're not great at creating goalscoring opportunities, but these two are inseparable - the shots from their passes create an xG of 0.03 goals per game (Pereira is top with 0.15).
Townsend - 0.03
Gibbs - 0.03
Passes Completed per 90 - Townsend wins
Conor loves a good pass. And I use 'good' as an expression, not a statement of quality. He is second only to Krovinovic in Completed Passes per 90.
Townsend - 44.6
Gibbs - 24.5
Progressive Passing Distance (metres) per 90 - Townsend wins
Not only does Conor like a pass, but they generally go towards the opposition goal. Kieran is very much in the middle of the pack, while Conor is fourth behind both goalkeepers and Hegazi.
Townsend - 331.0m
Gibbs - 144.1m
Key Passes per 90 - Townsend wins
Build up play is nice, but goals require shots. A Key Pass is defined as a Pass that directly leads to a shot.
Townsend - 0.51
Gibbs - 0.25
Crosses into Penalty Area per 90 - Townsend wins
Well, it's not just about passing, is it? Full backs are required to cross, often from deep positions. here we see the 'wand' of Matt Philips is still being used, as he leads the way. Furlong is third, and Townsend joint fourth, while Gibbs is seventh.
Townsend - 0.38
Gibbs - 0.15
Goal creating actions per 90 - Gibbs wins
Bizarrely, given he's rumoured to be leaving, Grosicki leads this table. That won't surprise most fans. That Dara O'Shea is fifth, may surprise you. A 'Goal Creating Action' is defined as "two offensive actions directly leading to a goal, such as passes, dribbles and drawing fouls. Note: A single player can receive credit for multiple actions and the shot-taker can also receive credit."
Townsend - 0.00
Gibbs - 0.13
So Townsend generally puts up good attacking number. Personally, I think that has a lot to do with Bilic setting us up to play down our left flank - our passing charts from earlier in the season generally showed as much. Also Gibbs has played vs Liverpool, and maybe Man City twice, which will obviously curtail his attacking threat.
In Summary
If you prefer Townsend before, you'll probably think I've backed you up, and if you prefer Gibbs, then you'll look at the caveats and provisos I've made and say that I haven't factored quality of opposition into the analysis. Either way, I've spent the best part of my evening putting this together, and it's unlikely to make much difference to anyone's opinion. Such is life.
All stats are from:
https://fbref.com/en/squads/60c6b05f/West-Bromwich-Albion-Stats
Can someone tell me what the post says as it was too long to read? :-*
Seriously good post, mate
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I'd be very tempted to start Townsend against Fulham , that said I think I'd give Gibbs one last shot just .
We need the real Gibbs to turn up though , the one we have barely seen not the half baked one .
He's on a good whack , he's played at the highest levels so we need him to stand up and be counted now.
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I think Townsend has been our best player this season and his injury was a big blow. When he first joined he was an average championship player but has definitely clicked. The sad thing for Gibbs is that he's too injury prone and isn't getting any younger. As soon as he's ready I'd put Townsend in.
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I think Townsend has been our best player this season and his injury was a big blow. When he first joined he was an average championship player but has definitely clicked. The sad thing for Gibbs is that he's too injury prone and isn't getting any younger. As soon as he's ready I'd put Townsend in.
Undoubtedly our most improved player over the last 12 months
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Undoubtedly our most improved player over the last 12 months
Yep. There were players I thought would do okay in the PL, and others I thought would have to be replaced, and I had him in the latter group. I was wrong.
I was wrong about some of the players in the first group as well!
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Undoubtedly our most improved player over the last 12 months
I've always thought (hoped) there was a player in there and, until his injury, I hadn't been disappointed.
Personally, if he can recapture his early season form, before injury, I'd have him over Gibbs in the team
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Gibbs has been ripped apart in 21 minutes here.
His career at Albion is over IMO. Always thought he’d be good for us but his legs are gone now- cut our losses and move on.
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Obvious he was always going to struggle this season but didn't think he would be this bad.
Bilic and Sam both tried to get him off the books but no one was going to pay him anything like what we are.
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I'd be very tempted to start Townsend against Fulham , that said I think I'd give Gibbs one last shot just .
We need the real Gibbs to turn up though , the one we have barely seen not the half baked one .
He's on a good whack , he's played at the highest levels so we need him to stand up and be counted now.
I was wrong , blokes finished looking at that 45 .
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One of the worst halves of football I've ever seen from a player in many many years
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I’d retire if I was him. That half was abysmal.
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He couldn't care less that what bugs me most
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You'd hope for some response from his last performance but he's doubling down on being pooh instead
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One of the worst halves of football I've ever seen from a player in many many years
He was just as useless against Man City, he’s an complete embarrassment and should retire.
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Awful and disgraceful lack of commitment and application.
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Powderpuff this guy is
Needs replacing
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Pay his contract up and get rid. He’s an embarrassment.
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Atrocious today. Didnt know where Decordova was for the first goal then the one where he hit the post was even worse. Gibbs was actually in front of Decordova positioned perfectly, he then stops, trying to play the offside and his man is gone. Absolutely chronic.
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To think he played over 200 games for Arsenal including many in the champions league :o
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TBF he was ok when he joined us at 27. He was never great defensively but played his part going forwards.
Now he's completely shot and was never going to make the grade this season but his contract meant we were trapped with him.
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......is now not very good at all.
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Atrocious today. Didnt know where Decordova was for the first goal then the one where he hit the post was even worse. Gibbs was actually in front of Decordova positioned perfectly, he then stops, trying to play the offside and his man is gone. Absolutely chronic.
Shocking lack of awareness for someone of his experience and the level he's played at.
Pity we cannot offload.
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I think Townsend really improved this season and should be ahead of Gibbs. I also think signing a left back is a priority.
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He’s just not very good and lives off his Arsenal pedigree which let’s be honest consisted of being poor defensively.
He also has the heart of a pea which is my biggest concern at the moment.
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Not too much difference either way between Gibbs and Townsend defensively. Townsend is younger, improving, better on the ball and definitely more likely to put a cross in for Diange to get on the end of.
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Hysterical hyperbole. Becoming the norm.
Of our back 4 Gibbs was probably the best on Tuesday.
Might need to revisit this after today, mate.
Without doubt, the worst left bank performance by an Albion player since ‘that’ Scott Darton infamous performance v Portsmouth in the mid-90’s.
Time to retire Mr Gibbs.
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Might need to revisit this after today, mate.
Without doubt, the worst left bank performance by an Albion player since ‘that’ Scott Darton infamous performance v Portsmouth in the mid-90’s.
Time to retire Mr Gibbs.
Same again. Got drawn inside to help O'Shea and they scored at Johnstone's near post. Tried to play offside and got it wrong and they hit the post. Bartley got in his way on half-way for the other break away he was partially culpable for. Yes he had a poor first half but not the worst ever anything.
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Same again. Got drawn inside to help O'Shea and they scored at Johnstone's near post. Tried to play offside and got it wrong and they hit the post. Bartley got in his way on half-way for the other break away he was partially culpable for. Yes he had a poor first half but not the worst ever anything.
Incredible.
He didnt need to help OShea, Mitrovic is going to run away from no one. If he watches his man for their opener they dont score it. By coming inside Gibbs gives Mitrovic the option to play in Decordova Reid.
If that had been Townsend you would have hammered him.
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Incredible.
He didnt need to help OShea, Mitrovic is going to run away from no one. If he watches his man for their opener they dont score it. By coming inside Gibbs gives Mitrovic the option to play in Decordova Reid.
If that had been Townsend you would have hammered him.
Exactly. Gibbs entirely at fault. Clear as day.
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Yeah Gibbs was dumb to do what he did but the way O'Shea watched it float in to Mitrovic royally peeved me off. GET UP GET IT AWAY!
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Incredible.
He didnt need to help OShea, Mitrovic is going to run away from no one. If he watches his man for their opener they dont score it. By coming inside Gibbs gives Mitrovic the option to play in Decordova Reid.
If that had been Townsend you would have hammered him.
Agreed.....Incredible.
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Yeah Gibbs was dumb to do what he did but the way O'Shea watched it float in to Mitrovic royally peeved me off. GET UP GET IT AWAY!
Yeah O'shea should have been more aggressive in the challenge. However by just holding Mitrovic up there's no danger if other people do their jobs.
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Yeah O'shea should have been more aggressive in the challenge. However by just holding Mitrovic up there's no danger if other people do their jobs.
Like covering their near post?
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Same again. Got drawn inside to help O'Shea and they scored at Johnstone's near post.
See Furlong and their second goal :D
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Yeah O'shea should have been more aggressive in the challenge. However by just holding Mitrovic up there's no danger if other people do their jobs.
Also true, 2 awful bits of defending. Sunday league players would be ashamed of that
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Like covering their near post?
So its Johnstone's fault?
Should never have been left so exposed.
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Townsend walks back in surely, which is a sentence I never thought I'd say. Gibbs was truly woeful today
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So its Johnstone's fault?
Should never have been left so exposed.
You just said if other people do their jobs. I gave you an example of someone not doing theirs...
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Townsend walks back in surely, which is a sentence I never thought I'd say. Gibbs was truly woeful today
Townsend linked with a loan bid from Bristol City, presumably we'd turn it down.
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You just said if other people do their jobs. I gave you an example of someone not doing theirs...
He cant save every shot that's hit at his goal.
I'm not Johnstone's biggest fan but bloody hell he does need some protection.
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Not wanting to get involved in the usual who was marking who dispute for their goals,
I thought Gibbs contributed to some of our most dangerous attacks in the second half. He got in some good crosses. We can't apply proper pressure on the opposition unless at least one of our backs gets forward.
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Was baffled that Bilic was leaving Gibbs out earlier in the season but we can see why now. The lad is cooked. All the injuries have caught up with him.
I'm sure the mental fatigue of so many comebacks is draining so have sympathy for him as a bloke but as a footballer he looks finished. He cannot be our first choice left back when Townsend is fit again.
Not sure when his deal runs out but no chance we're getting a fee for him.
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Was baffled that Bilic was leaving Gibbs out earlier in the season but we can see why now. The lad is cooked. All the injuries have caught up with him.
I'm sure the mental fatigue of so many comebacks is draining so have sympathy for him as a bloke but as a footballer he looks finished. He cannot be our first choice left back when Townsend is fit again.
Not sure when his deal runs out but no chance we're getting a fee for him.
Townsend is fit.
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Townsend linked with a loan bid from Bristol City, presumably we'd turn it down.
Lend them Gibbs instead. Or just give him a free transfer
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Townsend is fit.
Jacko will make excuse after excuse for awful Gibbs all day long, it’s so transparent.
Townsend has only just returned to training after a lengthy spell out. Hopefully he is back in the team soon.
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Just watched the highlights of the Fulham game , badly at fault on the goal , he's nowhere near getting to Mitrovic or more important Reid . Torn a new one by the same player who hit the post and then a terrible pass which nearly lead to a goal or a penalty . What on earth has happened to him ? , Allardyce has a big call on Tuesday night .
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Just watched the highlights of the Fulham game , badly at fault on the goal , he's nowhere near getting to Mitrovic or more important Reid . Torn a new one by the same player who hit the post and then a terrible pass which nearly lead to a goal or a penalty . What on earth has happened to him ? , Allardyce has a big call on Tuesday night .
Same the defending for the goal, subsequent 1 on 1 which they hit the post was all down to Gibb’s shocking defending. Gave the ball away which they nearly scored from also 3 mistakes that could have easily seen us 3-0 down. If fit Townsend needs to come in he was putting in much better performances than Gibbs.
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Gibbs was ok going forward at times in the second half but he has gone now hasn’t he. The injuries have taken their toll to much.
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Just watched the highlights of the Fulham game , badly at fault on the goal , he's nowhere near getting to Mitrovic or more important Reid . Torn a new one by the same player who hit the post and then a terrible pass which nearly lead to a goal or a penalty . What on earth has happened to him ? , Allardyce has a big call on Tuesday night .
It’s not even a tough decision for me. Townsend had started to grasp the LB position before his injury. He’s better going forward than Gibbs, and at least he puts an effort in to try and defend.
Injuries and the general will to want to play has caught with Gibbs. Wouldn’t be suprised to see him move to America when he’s contracts finished here.
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Gibbs was ok going forward at times in the second half but he has gone now hasn’t he. The injuries have taken their toll to much.
I agree that he was useful at times going forward but his main task is to defend and on the evidence of yesterday alone he is severely lacking.
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I do feel Gibbs is being a little unfairly scapegoated. Yes he's making mistakes, but he's not the only one - they're all awful. But he's the one who is the wrong side of 30 and declining, yet I think people expect him to be a world-beater because of the wages he's on. Gibbs peaked early, and for the first couple of years he was here he was one of our better players.
People calling for Townsend to get the nod because they think he's a better player. Similar to Field, he's becoming a better player by not playing. Do people think a bang average Championship left-back is going to solve our problems? He's not.
Yes we need to replace Gibbs. Yes we need to say goodbye once his expensive contract is up in the summer. But I feel like other players get away with more because they're on lower wages and liked more by our fans.
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I do feel Gibbs is being a little unfairly scapegoated. Yes he's making mistakes, but he's not the only one - they're all awful. But he's the one who is the wrong side of 30 and declining, yet I think people expect him to be a world-beater because of the wages he's on. Gibbs peaked early, and for the first couple of years he was here he was one of our better players.
People calling for Townsend to get the nod because they think he's a better player. Similar to Field, he's becoming a better player by not playing. Do people think a bang average Championship left-back is going to solve our problems? He's not.
Yes we need to replace Gibbs. Yes we need to say goodbye once his expensive contract is up in the summer. But I feel like other players get away with more because they're on lower wages and liked more by our fans.
I don’t think you can possibly have watched Townsend this season if that’s your opinion
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When your in a position like ours where your not as good as other teams, you need to at least try and out battle and out fight them, it sounds old fashioned but it still applies.
Gibbs has never been the greatest defender but did enough to get by, he has always been better going forward. In the championship when we were one of the better teams he had plenty of chances to do that and was an asset because his natural ability at that level meant he could coast.
In this league and in our position you need to be switched on and committed all the time, Gibbs isnt the only one, all the team are doing it but as one of the more experienced players who has played at the highest level, you would hope he steps up but he doesnt, he does the opposite.
Gibbs natural ability is way ahead Townsend, he showed at Liverpool when he fancies it, he can play but his career peaked a few years ago, he has hit the heights he could, Townsend however has come through the lower leagues and knows this is about his only chance at this level, no other premier league club will sign him, thats why i think he has been better because he wants it more and is hungry.
I said in the summer when nobody wanted to sign Gibbs i was worried him being with us, he’s never looked the most committed of players and with this being the last year of his contract, he was never going to bust a gut and risk injuring himself.
I reckon he will go to a slower european league next season and within two years be playing in the MLS, indian league, etc levels where his natural ability will get him through without really needing to push himself.
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Good post Albion79. Knowing the season that was coming Gibbs was never suited before a ball was kicked. Both managers tried to move him on to be fair but there was never any PL interest and no one in the EFL to pay his wages.
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As i have said before his day is done. Targeted by Fulham as he is not quick enough. If we are not going to play Townsend then bring someone else in. One of many passengers we cannot carry.
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As i have said before his day is done. Targeted by Fulham as he is not quick enough. If we are not going to play Townsend then bring someone else in. One of many passengers we cannot carry.
Wouldn't have thought it was that easy this window. Financially we would need to get rid of him before we get a replacement
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Absolutely dire last night. Every attack came down his side. Woeful...
Oh hang on...
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Absolutely dire last night. Every attack came down his side. Woeful...
Oh hang on...
Townsend ain't the answer and neither is gibbs.
We need a fresh left back and right back for the championship next year and a some cms.
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Absolutely dire last night. Every attack came down his side. Woeful...
Oh hang on...
Townsend will never make it as a premier league player, however whilst Gibbs was an upgrade based on his career he is no longer what’s needed.
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Absolutely dire last night. Every attack came down his side. Woeful...
Oh hang on...
I thought far more went down our right , O'Shea got murdered. Lets be honest that none of our left or right backs are good enough .
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Same. I'm not Townsend fan but the right side seemed more vulnerable.
New full backs all around please. Same as end of last season.
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Thought it would be interesting to hear people's views on this. It's a no from me. Was certainly a decent footballer in his prime, but he's well past his peak, injury prone, and increasingly prone to poor positioning. Having said that, I think it's no more than 50/50 whether we will or not.
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It’s a no from me and I imagine it would be no from him.
I had a great time in Miami, and I was broke. I can only imagine what the place is like with serious money.
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No thanks.
Miami is fantastic but very expensive went there just before lockdown at end of 2019. In fact i'm sure it was more expensive than New York.
What a place though. Hope he gets a contract there.
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I’m not sure of his marital status, but what ever it is, he’s going to get some serious temptation and attention from them Floridians. 😁
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Floridian women are fantastic. :o
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Retirement capital of the US isn't it?
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Retirement capital of the US isn't it?
It is indeed but still plenty of hot ladies to go around ;D
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Hadn't always been such a great place. Went there around 1969/70 just fo a look at the place. Miami vice still in my memory and all the glamour associated with the tv programme.
Went with a mate I'd met in the US, a lad fro NI and a proud Ulsterman. We took a couple of fine ladies from upstate NY on the road trip with us. We were having a drink in a waterfront bar and a big Cuban guy pushed into the group of us and started talking in Spanish about what he could do to the girls.
I was a pretty capable lad at the time so I told me mate to look after the girls and picked the Cuban up by his throat and his taters and walked him out of the bar backwards and down a couple of steps to the road level. We discussed the matter in a civilised Black Country way for a second or two and when he tried to get up, kicked him so hard in his backside he hit a wall face first. He rolled over and got a cellphone out so I took that off him and smashed it. We left the bar immediately and headed up state for Indian Rocks. Crashed out in a motel there, got some kip and then headed out of the state.
Like a lot of big time America in those days a gloss of glamour hid a pretty rotten core. Fun times but although I've been to Miami with my wife a few times since on cruises, I was never comfortable to venture far. Too old too weak and too slow. Much prefer the East and New England area now.
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Hadn't always been such a great place. Went there around 1969/70 just fo a look at the place. Miami vice still in my memory and all the glamour associated with the tv programme.
Went with a mate I'd met in the US, a lad fro NI and a proud Ulsterman. We took a couple of fine ladies from upstate NY on the road trip with us. We were having a drink in a waterfront bar and a big Cuban guy pushed into the group of us and started talking in Spanish about what he could do to the girls.
I was a pretty capable lad at the time so I told me mate to look after the girls and picked the Cuban up by his throat and his taters and walked him out of the bar backwards and down a couple of steps to the road level. We discussed the matter in a civilised Black Country way for a second or two and when he tried to get up, kicked him so hard in his backside he hit a wall face first. He rolled over and got a cellphone out so I took that off him and smashed it. We left the bar immediately and headed up state for Indian Rocks. Crashed out in a motel there, got some kip and then headed out of the state.
Like a lot of big time America in those days a gloss of glamour hid a pretty rotten core. Fun times but although I've been to Miami with my wife a few times since on cruises, I was never comfortable to venture far. Too old too weak and too slow. Much prefer the East and New England area now.
Are you sure it was a cellphone he took out if it was 69/70??
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Are you sure it was a cellphone he took out if it was 69/70??
In his defence he went in a Delorean...
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Assumption by memory. Did not stop to look. he pulled it from somewhere about his person. It was silver and had what looked like a noticeable aerial, and something broke when I stamped on it. You tell me what it was. Could have been a jelly mould for all I knew.
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Hadn't always been such a great place. Went there around 1969/70 just fo a look at the place. Miami vice still in my memory and all the glamour associated with the tv programme.
Went with a mate I'd met in the US, a lad fro NI and a proud Ulsterman. We took a couple of fine ladies from upstate NY on the road trip with us. We were having a drink in a waterfront bar and a big Cuban guy pushed into the group of us and started talking in Spanish about what he could do to the girls.
I was a pretty capable lad at the time so I told me mate to look after the girls and picked the Cuban up by his throat and his taters and walked him out of the bar backwards and down a couple of steps to the road level. We discussed the matter in a civilised Black Country way for a second or two and when he tried to get up, kicked him so hard in his backside he hit a wall face first. He rolled over and got a cellphone out so I took that off him and smashed it. We left the bar immediately and headed up state for Indian Rocks. Crashed out in a motel there, got some kip and then headed out of the state.
Like a lot of big time America in those days a gloss of glamour hid a pretty rotten core. Fun times but although I've been to Miami with my wife a few times since on cruises, I was never comfortable to venture far. Too old too weak and too slow. Much prefer the East and New England area now.
Your posts had been pretty solid until this one :D
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Old man's memories mate. Swear it happened like I told it (mostly anyway) ;)
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Weren't Miami Vice the 80s??
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I’m beginning to question if it was even in Miami. ☺ï¸
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Really guys it happened. I was there, in a bar in South Beach with a mate and two girls. A Cuban guy pushed his way into the group and it kicked off. He ended up on his arris outside with my help and the four of us did as we were advised and left Florida asap. I was 23 at the time and that was a long time ago. Any one of you is entitled to believe me or not, that is your prerogative and no hard feelings. You should understand that Miami and New York were not nice places to be at that time, especially if you were blue collar American in NY, or were anybody poor but especially poor Cuban in Miami. The downtown area of Miami was pretty much no go, and was said to be run by rich Cuban cabals. I Like Florida fine and love NY now, and although I avoid Miami if I can, I do not doubt that Gibbs will, if he goes, find it enchanting.
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In his defence he went in a Delorean...
You mean a Tardis
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Really guys it happened. I was there, in a bar in South Beach with a mate and two girls. A Cuban guy pushed his way into the group and it kicked off. He ended up on his arris outside with my help and the four of us did as we were advised and left Florida asap. I was 23 at the time and that was a long time ago. Any one of you is entitled to believe me or not, that is your prerogative and no hard feelings. You should understand that Miami and New York were not nice places to be at that time, especially if you were blue collar American in NY, or were anybody poor but especially poor Cuban in Miami. The downtown area of Miami was pretty much no go, and was said to be run by rich Cuban cabals. I Like Florida fine and love NY now, and although I avoid Miami if I can, I do not doubt that Gibbs will, if he goes, find it enchanting.
Come on Woden own up, it was a life sized cardboard cutout of Action Man with a walkie talkie wasn't it ;D ?
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if you say so Smeth I'll believe you ;D
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Only thing I can think of that era?
Would have been a fancy knife or even a derringer which is a very small pistol (don't forget gun control is a tad optional in US)
Quite low powered compared to larger pistols but could kill to head or heart so if was and you kicked it away best thing
Oh Is Gibbs left footed on topic! ;D
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I’m not having any of that story but it’s the most entertaining thing I’ve read in a long time. Deserves a thread of its own!
;D
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Reports that Gibbs has agreed ( verbally) to join Miami at the end of his contract..
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Is he the last of the signings from Pulis's last loopy spending window ?
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Is he the last of the signings from Pulis's last loopy spending window ?
When did Phillips sign? Was he the year before?
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When did Phillips sign? Was he the year before?
Well before mate , think Gibbs must be last of the Barry / JRod / Greg K window.
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Well before mate , think Gibbs must be last of the Barry / JRod / Greg K window.
Ah yes, Phillips was the season before.
So yes, Gibbs is the last from that window - Burke and Hegazi being the other two
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Good move for him for the level he's at now.
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Ah yes, Phillips was the season before.
So yes, Gibbs is the last from that window - Burke and Hegazi being the other two
Is HRK now our longest tenaured player? or did somebody join the winter transfer window before that?
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Is HRK now our longest tenaured player? or did somebody join the winter transfer window before that?
Phillips joined the same summer - HRK actually joined after the window shut due to being a free agent
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Is HRK now our longest tenaured player? or did somebody join the winter transfer window before that?
Oh God If he is how
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He will probably spend more time flying to miami than he did playing for us. :P
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I’m beginning to question if it was even in Miami. ☺ï¸
There were donkeys, a pleasure beach and a bloody big tower
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I've nothing but contempt for Gibbs, he has stolen a living off us this season and it's no coincidence that we stopped leaking goals like a sieve at the exact moment he was dropped for Townsend. Good riddance.
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I've nothing but contempt for Gibbs, he has stolen a living off us this season and it's no coincidence that we stopped leaking goals like a sieve at the exact moment he was dropped for Townsend. Good riddance.
It is actually... coincides with YokuÅŸlu coming into the side, nobody else.
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Be glad to see the back of him, an absolute shirker and rubbish defender.
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Be glad to see the back of him, an absolute shirker and rubbish defender.
its time for him to go, but has been a decent player for us, injuries blighted his time here though sadly.
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Said this before, it's not Gibbs fault he was given a long term contract until he was virtually 32 years old on 60k per week. Yeah its a waste of money but thats not the players fault. Bloomin useless board AGAIN.
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its time for him to go, but has been a decent player for us, injuries blighted his time here though sadly.
Correct on all 3 counts.
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Said this before, it's not Gibbs fault he was given a long term contract until he was virtually 32 years old on 60k per week. Yeah its a waste of money but thats not the players fault. Bloomin useless board AGAIN.
Can't even blame Dowling on this one ;D
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Light at the end of the tunnel. Finally getting rid of the useless plank.
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Can't even blame Dowling on this one ;D
That's the worst thing!! Lais constant failures in appointments are never ending.
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Can he go tomorrow?
He has the heart of a pea and the fact he’s going to some tinpot American outfit is testament to that..
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Wonder how much he will be on there? MLS declares every players salary so will find out next season.
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He is /was a naturally talented player, but has been a disastrous signing for us £££. It can't be smart to have an injury prone left back earning £3.5m a year! With no resale value, what were we thinking?
I think he is one of the reasons we are where we are. There was hope at the start of the season and we were competitive in the early games, but Gibb's totally unprofessional sending off (his choice) cost us any chance in the Everton game and forced Bilic to drop him.
It's not all on one guy, but top international players should never lose their cool. By way of example less talented O'Shea/Townsend have never let down their colleagues in such a way.
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He is /was a naturally talented player, but has been a disastrous signing for us £££. It can't be smart to have an injury prone left back earning £3.5m a year! With no resale value, what were we thinking?
I think he is one of the reasons we are where we are. There was hope at the start of the season and we were competitive in the early games, but Gibb's totally unprofessional sending off (his choice) cost us any chance in the Everton game and forced Bilic to drop him.
It's not all on one guy, but top international players should never lose their cool. By way of example less talented O'Shea/Townsend have never let down their colleagues in such a way.
Totally disagree, look at Zidane in the World Cup final....
I think because of the league position we are in and the frustrations of the pandemic etc, more than ever it feels people are looking for scapegoats....
Gibbs was a fantastic signing for us, all players have a shelf life, but we shouldn’t forget how good he actually was.
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Gibbs was a fantastic signing for us, all players have a shelf life, but we shouldn’t forget how good he actually was.
Chris Brunt was a better left back.
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Never really made it at Arsenal, came here because he needed a job, never really looked up for it. Bye.
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When he signed up I thought Gibbs was as good as we could have got, a decent enough age with international and European football experience and us in need for a proper LB.
Overall it's hasn't been a success and the club will need a replacement to be back up to Townsend who has improved immensely this season.
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A falling star signing, a player at the edge of his peak on four year contract that would nearly always be liability in the last year leaving on a free having been at the best a marginal contributor for the last two seasons. It was made worse because at the time we had an aging squad littered with such signings. We got relegated at the end of his first season and have not fully recovered from that relegation.
It is far from the players fault but he pretty much encapsulates everything that is wrong at the club.
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Totally disagree, look at Zidane in the World Cup final....
I think because of the league position we are in and the frustrations of the pandemic etc, more than ever it feels people are looking for scapegoats....
Gibbs was a fantastic signing for us, all players have a shelf life, but we shouldn’t forget how good he actually was.
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Sorry I have forgot, perhaps you could just remind me how good has he been for us that justifies a salary of £3.5m a year?
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Some harsh comments on this thread in my view. Time to leave now yes of course, but has been a very talented player and has played well for us on many occasions. As others have said, it is not his fault that we awarded him the salary that we did. That says much more about the hierarchy than the player.
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Chris Brunt was a better left back..........
......... and Jacko's hacked into Dave's account....... ;D .
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Totally disagree, look at Zidane in the World Cup final....
I think because of the league position we are in and the frustrations of the pandemic etc, more than ever it feels people are looking for scapegoats....
Gibbs was a fantastic signing for us, all players have a shelf life, but we shouldn’t forget how good he actually was.
Gibbs has been a waste of space for ages. He is that bad that we couldn't give him away this summer. As for comparing his red card to Zidane in a WC final. Well that has at least given me a laugh. If your one of the greatest players of all time, you get a bit more leeway than a can't be arsed match-stick leg wimp. Safe to say, I'm not his biggest fan! If he had any honour or will to play football he would have moved on this summer. Instread he preferred to sit back and take the money in. MLS reserves in Miami will suit him.
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Some harsh comments on this thread in my view. Time to leave now yes of course, but has been a very talented player and has played well for us on many occasions. As others have said, it is not his fault that we awarded him the salary that we did. That says much more about the hierarchy than the player.
Gibbs was one of the few who i could give credit to in the relegation season.
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Gibbs was one of the few who i could give credit to in the relegation season.
Gibbs and Livermore now then with two relegations on their CV during their careers at Albion. Any other "brilliant" Pulis signings in that category? Both on big wages, slow, old and have no sell-on value.
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Gibbs and Livermore now then with two relegations on their CV during their careers at Albion. Any other "brilliant" Pulis signings in that category? Both on big wages, slow, old and have no sell-on value.
Whats livermore got to do with gibbs being one of our better players that year? ;D ;D ;D
i dont rate livermore in the slighest so im not sure where you got that from, nor the brilliant post.
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Whats livermore got to do with gibbs being one of our better players that year? ;D ;D ;D
i dont rate livermore in the slighest so im not sure where you got that from, nor the brilliant post.
I'm not suggesting for one minute that you rate Livermore. My italic reference to "brilliant TP signings" was a sarcastic point that he signed a whole load of short term junk on big wages that we have struggled to offload.
Point is, if you get relegated twice from the Premiership during your Albion career it kinds of suggests you aren't a premiership standard player and are part of the problem not the solution. Gibbs and Livermore are both into that category - I don't think anyone else is in the squad has got relegated twice with us?
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Sorry I have forgot, perhaps you could just remind me how good has he been for us that justifies a salary of £3.5m a year?
When the salaries of some our failures are expressed as yearly amounts rather than weekly, it is a shocking reminder of how generous the club have been to very average players given the budget constraints.
What a shame the player has not had the good grace to leave a few weeks early, and left us a few quid in the pot, to make up for all the bloody weeks when he has been absent.
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I'm not suggesting for one minute that you rate Livermore. My italic reference to "brilliant TP signings" was a sarcastic point that he signed a whole load of short term junk on big wages that we have struggled to offload.
Point is, if you get relegated twice from the Premiership during your Albion career it kinds of suggests you aren't a premiership standard player and are part of the problem not the solution. Gibbs and Livermore are both into that category - I don't think anyone else is in the squad has got relegated twice with us?
What a strange tangent... Anyway, Phillips, Field, Harper and Robson-Kanu will also pick up their 2nd relegation with the club if we go down.
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......Point is, if you get relegated twice from the Premiership during your Albion career it kinds of suggests you aren't a premiership standard player and are part of the problem..... - I don't think anyone else is in the squad has got relegated twice with us?
Going back further than this squad James Morrison and Chris Brunt would probably have disagreed with the first bit.
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Can he go tomorrow?
He has the heart of a pea and the fact he’s going to some tinpot American outfit is testament to that..
Slight issue is Covid preventing travel so no he can't anyone want a Whip Round to pay for a Private Jet to collect him.
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Gibbs has been a waste of space for ages. He is that bad that we couldn't give him away this summer. As for comparing his red card to Zidane in a WC final. Well that has at least given me a laugh. If your one of the greatest players of all time, you get a bit more leeway than a can't be arsed match-stick leg wimp. Safe to say, I'm not his biggest fan! If he had any honour or will to play football he would have moved on this summer. Instread he preferred to sit back and take the money in. MLS reserves in Miami will suit him.
ThE coment re Zidane was in response to a sentence that the poster made stating that the best players don’t lose control..
But I’m glad it made you laugh.
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I think he has loads of talent and a pain threshold of a four year old and no heart for a fight, shame, such a lot of players come out of Arsenal like him though.
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I think he has loads of talent and a pain threshold of a four year old and no heart for a fight, shame, such a lot of players come out of Arsenal like him though.
Thats so true!!!, Arsene did like a delicate & fragile pedigree player.
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Thats so true!!!, Arsene did like a delicate & fragile pedigree player.
Jack Wilshere springs to mine
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Jack Wilshere springs to mine
Viera
Gilberto
Edu
Henry
Fabregas
I wouldn’t call them fragile
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I think people have been unduly harsh on Gibbs all the time he's been here, and it's probably because he's a big earner. But as was said above, he was one of the better players during the relegation season, and I'll throw in that he stuck out a mile in the Championship the following season. I remember games he terrorised teams going forward (and nobody covered themselves in glory defensively that year).
Of course it's come unstuck since. He's gotten older, picked up a couple of injuries last year, and of course that's set him back. I would also guess that when nobody came in for him after his first season in the Championship, he probably did lose something mentally. So yeah, the last two years have been poor, and he's only going to get worse in the future, but he hasn't been terrible the entire time he's been here.
He's still more naturally talented than Townsend, he's just shot it.
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I think people have been unduly harsh on Gibbs all the time he's been here, and it's probably because he's a big earner. But as was said above, he was one of the better players during the relegation season, and I'll throw in that he stuck out a mile in the Championship the following season. I remember games he terrorised teams going forward (and nobody covered themselves in glory defensively that year).
Of course it's come unstuck since. He's gotten older, picked up a couple of injuries last year, and of course that's set him back. I would also guess that when nobody came in for him after his first season in the Championship, he probably did lose something mentally. So yeah, the last two years have been poor, and he's only going to get worse in the future, but he hasn't been terrible the entire time he's been here.
He's still more naturally talented than Townsend, he's just shot it.
Agree entirely with this
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I think people have been unduly harsh on Gibbs all the time he's been here, and it's probably because he's a big earner. But as was said above, he was one of the better players during the relegation season, and I'll throw in that he stuck out a mile in the Championship the following season. I remember games he terrorised teams going forward (and nobody covered themselves in glory defensively that year).
Of course it's come unstuck since. He's gotten older, picked up a couple of injuries last year, and of course that's set him back. I would also guess that when nobody came in for him after his first season in the Championship, he probably did lose something mentally. So yeah, the last two years have been poor, and he's only going to get worse in the future, but he hasn't been terrible the entire time he's been here.
He's still more naturally talented than Townsend, he's just shot it.
Don't think that there are many saying that he's been terrible the whole time that he's been here. That's certainly not the case. And I wouldn't even disagree with your statement that he has more natural ability than Conor Townsend. But as you rightly point out he has been poor for at least the last 2 years, and now Townsend has overtaken him both in terms of performance and reliability and has the shirt on merit. Gibbs is past his sell by date (not that any other club was ever reported to want to buy him) and on high wages, so it is time to wave goodbye and move on.
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Gibbs has signed a pre-contract agreement with Inter Miami according to John Percy.
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Predictable but good news. Too injury prone, too expensive and even when fit, underwhelming.
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Shall we just say good move for all concerned and wish Kieran the best of luck?
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Shall we just say good move for all concerned and wish Kieran the best of luck?
That's fair
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Not a bad move for him trading the west Midlands for the American weather much like Jonathan Bond did. Been with us 4 years but his signing was always a gamble and it hasn't paid off. He has spent to much time on the treatment table and putting in to many bang average performances. We move on and so does he.
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Shall we just say good move for all concerned and wish Kieran the best of luck?
That is very fair and I echo it. Good player but no longer one for us.
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Gibbs has signed a pre-contract agreement with Inter Miami according to John Percy.
When I first read that I thought you were going to say 'with us' and nearly had a mini heart-attack.
He's one of those players that constantly has injury issues so it's good to get his wages off and bring someone new and younger in. Certainly not our worst ever player though and hopefully he does well.
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Henry, He suffered 21 injuries for the Gunners, of which four were hamstring, four were Achilles issues and three were groin strains.
addin
Walcott, Diaby, Rosicky, Wilshere, Ljungberg, Gibbs, RVP's ankle, Vermaelen, Djourou, Sagna, Senderos, Koscielny, Fabregas, Almunia,
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We were searching for a left back for a long time before Gibbs arrived. Names like Robertson, Taylor, Martin Olsson were all candidates, but for one reason or other never happened, so I was pleased when we managed to attract Gibbs. I think most of the time he's been with us he's been one of our better players. Some of our best attacking performances have been when he's been part of it, as he is able to penetrate through to the byline and get crosses in and occasionally get on the scoresheet.
I think he's lost out to Townsend in the last half season, but to write him off as some have here, I think is harsh. I hope Townsend develops further, but whether that gets him up to the level Gibbs produced, I think is doubtful.
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I always liked and rated Gibbs (when he came to us and was fit).
Before him Pulis was playing centre half’s at left back. Injuries curtailed his career with us and sometimes things go stale for a player. No hard feelings and I’m sure it’s a big earner off the wage bill. Also Miami is beautiful so I’m sure he won’t miss trips to Millwall and Rotherham ;)
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Top player and was superb his first 2 years here. Injuries have ruined him the last two seasons. Wish him all the best in Miami.
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Top player and was superb his first 2 years here. Injuries have ruined him the last two seasons. Wish him all the best in Miami.
I agree with you there.
I remember when we first signed him I thought that Pulis had ambition. Sadly I was wrong on that score but he solved a problem position and like you say for two years I really enjoyed watching him. You don't get to play for Arsenal 137 times by luck, and in retrospect his injury issues are clearly a contributing factor to him coming to us. At least he can get a bit of sun when he is on the injury list over there......
I like him and I hope it goes well for him.
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Well good luck to Kieran you have had your good spells and your bad but you played in Blue and White but now I think it's best you go see out your career in an easier league to give your body a bit of rest. But good luck
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Got a 2.5 year deal out of them. Incredible agent
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Got a 2.5 year deal out of them. Incredible agent
That's an incredible deal. Any talk of wages?
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That's an incredible deal. Any talk of wages?
No, but MLS players wages are publicly declared by the MLS at some point during the season so will find out within the next 12 months.
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Got a 2.5 year deal out of them. Incredible agent
He's hardly going to move to the states for a 2 week contract is he?
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He's hardly going to move to the states for a 2 week contract is he?
Who said he was?
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Who said he was?
It's a reasonable length contract for someone to up sticks and move 4000 miles away. If that's incredible to you then fair play mate. Only contract I ever really found incredible was Pardews at Newcastle.
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It's a reasonable length contract for someone to up sticks and move 4000 miles away. If that's incredible to you then fair play mate. Only contract I ever really found incredible was Pardews at Newcastle.
It's not hard or expensive for him to upsticks on his money mate.
I am saying his agents done incredible work to get him that length of deal.
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I’m not sad to see him go. Bloke is made of biscuits.
I just hope can pass the medical :D
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I’m not sad to see him go. Bloke is made of biscuits.
I just hope can pass the medical :D
I hope you are not one of the lads giving him grief on the official WBA instagram page when they put this news on there! ;D
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Potentially the best player at left back in my lifetime (29) I loved clement and robinson more though.
Shame about the injuries last 2 seasons.
Good luck kieran.
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He’s off to a new adventure, where he can happily rarely shiver, and only fear the odd hurricane. West Bromwich couldn’t be further from his mind. Nice one!
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I hope you are not one of the lads giving him grief on the official WBA instagram page when they put this news on there! ;D
The fact that grown adults feel the need to abuse him is beyond me
So in answer to the question, not guilty (for a change) :D
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The fact that grown adults feel the need to abuse him is beyond me
So in answer to the question, not guilty (for a change) :D
He was getting untold grief earlier on it. I think a lot of comments have been deleted by the club.
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It sometimes pays to go to the top of the thread to recap how this started.
When Gibbs was signed we didn't have a left back and Pulis was struggling to overcome his allergy to signing or playing full backs rather than Centre Halves. It was widely reported that Pulis indeed wanted to sign Kevin Wimmer to play left back. Wimmer wasn't keen and opted to join Stoke (this has turned out badly for both parties). We then picked up Gibbs for a relatively modest fee and hefty wages.
In the light of this I am prepared to revise my Gibbs retrospective to probably better than Kevin Wimmer.
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It sometimes pays to go to the top of the thread to recap how this started.
When Gibbs was signed we didn't have a left back and Pulis was struggling to overcome his allergy to signing or playing full backs rather than Centre Halves. It was widely reported that Pulis indeed wanted to sign Kevin Wimmer to play left back. Wimmer wasn't keen and opted to join Stoke (this has turned out badly for both parties). We then picked up Gibbs for a relatively modest fee and hefty wages.
In the light of this I am prepared to revise my Gibbs retrospective to probably better than Kevin Wimmer.
Now there is a recommendation to savour ! ;D
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Glad he is leaving. Overdue imo and I still cannot believe he was not training properly on his wages. A lot of goals we conceded came from his side of the pitch.
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A good indication of where our signings have gone wrong , injury prone defender who is better at getting forward than defending itself . Add big wages on a 3 or 4 year deal at the wrong age and it was never likely to end well , didn't fit a Pulis side either.
Not to say he hasn't had good games here and there but overall it's been a poor value for money deal .
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Nice message to the fans on Gibbs' socials. Classy exit.
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Nice message to the fans on Gibbs' socials. Classy exit.
For the amount of money he's sucked out of us that's the minimum requisite
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For the amount of money he's sucked out of us that's the minimum requisite
He's not sucked anything out of us, he was offered a contract and remained professional throughout.
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I'd have still picked him ahead of Townsend.
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He's not sucked anything out of us, he was offered a contract and remained professional throughout.
Bang on
Never once played his face after relegation last time
Generally enjoyed seeing him play for the club
He leaves with my best wishes
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Decent PL player, if sometimes a bit wanting defensively. Body let him down and then brain unfortunately followed. Most PL clubs would see his time here as a decent return for the £4 million investment but for us it was a big chunk of money on a fullback and some may feel a bit short changed.
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He was top notch for his first two years here. The injuries caught up with him then. Wish him well.
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good servant, contract ended a season to late maybe (not his fault in anyway).
I hope his next venture is a great success,
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I'd have still picked him ahead of Townsend.
So would the manager at the time if he was fit.
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Some of the comments/abuse he’s received from grown men is laughable and embarrassing.
Classy player on his day, was always going to be on his way down from leaving Arsenal. Will never forget he was the first to publicly apologise for relegation in the Pardew season.
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He leaves with my best wishes and I think he was fantastic and easily better than Townsend and that's not a stick i'm using to beat Townsend with, I just think Gibbs was pretty damn good for us. As others have said, conducted himself professionally. Left a nice tweet, has previously put nice tweets out.
We got way more football out of him than I thought we would, i thought all his time here would be like this season but he was pretty present in those first couple of seasons.
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Bang on
Never once played his face after relegation last time
Generally enjoyed seeing him play for the club
He leaves with my best wishes
If you were over-paid to your market value and unable to command the same wage or interest elsewhere how upset would you be with your employer? We could not give Gibbs away.
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Very good player and never knocked the club whilst here. Not his fault that injury plagued him somewhat but still played very well on occasions.
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Think some of our best team performances were when he was attacking and causing danger down the left flank. I would agree that Townsend has improved is now the better, but Townsend still hasn't reached the level Gibbs was at his best.
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i would put gibbs in our all star premiership team, that first season he was perhaps the highlight. good luck kieran
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Contrary to many opinions on here, the Gibbs I saw play was one of the best modern style full backs I have seen play for us. Injury prone maybe, but he leaves now with my thanks and appreciation for a job generally well done.
All the best Kieran, stay fit and enjoy your pastures new.
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Contrary to many opinions on here, the Gibbs I saw play was one of the best modern style full backs I have seen play for us. Injury prone maybe, but he leaves now with my thanks and appreciation for a job generally well done.
All the best Kieran, stay fit and enjoy your pastures new.
By modern style do you mean an inability to defend his back post? Just the 2/2 premiership relegations on his CV with us :) I blame the imbeciles who tied him down on such a long term luxury contract that we could not get rid last summer.
Be interesting to see what happens to him in the MLS, not much is my prediction.
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By modern style do you mean an inability to defend his back post? Just the 2/2 premiership relegations on his CV with us :) I blame the imbeciles who tied him down on such a long term luxury contract that we could not get rid last summer.
Be interesting to see what happens to him in the MLS, not much is my prediction.
He was utter gash. Been through it 100 times so no point again now. Other people can think what they like, their choice.
It was nice of him to post what he did though. I'm big enough to wish him the best in the future.
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He has a good touch, control and vision and is clearly a quality footballer. But for us, he lacked a bit of bravery and determination in defense and was a horrific use of our resources. How our most highly paid player could be an injury prone left back is beyond me.
Not his fault the contract ....I know! But value for money he was a disaster (circa £20m in fees and wages for 4 seasons). I'd go further and say his sending off (totally unprofessional) versus Everton was a nail in Bilic's coffin.
So I'm glad next season we can spend his £2m wages (this season £4m) on a key position like center forward. Not on an ageing fullback with zero resale value.
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He has a good touch, control and vision and is clearly a quality footballer. But for us, he lacked a bit of bravery and determination in defense and was a horrific use of our resources. How our most highly paid player could be an injury prone left back is beyond me.
Not his fault the contract ....I know! But value for money he was a disaster (circa £20m in fees and wages for 4 seasons). I'd go further and say his sending off (totally unprofessional) versus Everton was a nail in Bilic's coffin.
So I'm glad next season we can spend his £2m wages (this season £4m) on a key position like center forward. Not on an ageing fullback with zero resale value.
I've never considered Charlie Austin a left back
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Had to wait a while for official MLS confirmation but he's on 128k a year in US dollars so around 1.8k a week in gbp. Would have good bonuses though i assume.