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Title: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2015, 12:19:48 PM
Rondon having a medical?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 12:42:22 PM
Rondon having a medical?!

As Jose Rondon where have you seen that?!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 12:43:18 PM
Rondon having a medical?!

Is that a statement of fact or a question to the forum users?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/esclusiva-tmw-wba-colpo-rondon-ad-un-passo-e-addio-allo-zenit-713490

http://sports-info.ru/rondon-blizok-k-perehodu-v-vest-bromvich/

EXCLUSIVE TMW - WBA, shot Rondon one step: it is goodbye to Zenit

Medical today with us apparently.

Is reliable? who knows.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
As Jose Rondon where have you seen that?!!

Twitter mate, would be absolutely unbelievable.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
As Jose Rondon where have you seen that?!!


On Newsnow West Brom site
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
Can't say I've heard of him much but his record is good
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: marky on August 07, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
Rondon? 

blimey yes please.  he knows where the net is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 12:59:19 PM
What a beast this lad is. Could be another Odemwingie type buy. From Russia with love! Get this lad signed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 01:01:49 PM
sush dont tell West Ham
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 01:05:11 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 01:07:59 PM
Jose Salomon Rondon? Big, strong, decent finisher. Replacement for Ideye?

EDIT: Would be amazed if he came to us. He is a Champions League quality striker. I also don't understand how/why he'd be available. Easily a £10 million striker, and contracted until 2018 apparently.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on August 07, 2015, 01:10:51 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.
Zenit have to sell him because of rules around the number of overseas players in Russia apparently. Not sure they would otherwise. He'll certainly be going somewhere and the Premier League is about the only place where clubs could afford to do it.

Just have to wait and see I guess.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 07, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.

Just to play devils advocate, Madeley did state that Doumbia wasnt a target yesteday due to us having higher targets.

That would indicate for me that it could be a possibility that he is having a medical, if he signs is a different question.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 07, 2015, 01:19:04 PM
Replacement for Ideye?

Or Saido Berahino perhaps?
 :(.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 01:21:49 PM
Or Saido Berahino perhaps?
 :(.

Good point, I still think United may come in for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Seems to be us and Newcastle mentioned... No credible sources though in all honesty .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 07, 2015, 01:34:38 PM
Seems to be us and Newcastle mentioned... No credible sources though in all honesty .

don't forget our stalkers. West Ham
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 01:36:36 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.

I agree with those comments. No chance of this signing happening
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:40:20 PM
Shot at a step by the West Bromwich Albion , that in view of the Premier League season about to start ( tomorrow , ed) : Salomon Rondon , the Venezuelan striker Zenit St. Petersburg , should be the next striker Baggies , who are defining the deal with the Russian club as picked by our staff . The player is expected in town today for a medical .
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/esclusiva-tmw-wba-colpo-rondon-ad-un-passo-e-addio-allo-zenit-713490

The only actual article (ish) I can see
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 01:42:34 PM
Shot at a step by the West Bromwich Albion , that in view of the Premier League season about to start ( tomorrow , ed) : Salomon Rondon , the Venezuelan striker Zenit St. Petersburg , should be the next striker Baggies , who are defining the deal with the Russian club as picked by our staff . The player is expected in town today for a medical .
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/esclusiva-tmw-wba-colpo-rondon-ad-un-passo-e-addio-allo-zenit-713490

The only actual article (ish) I can see
venezulan at russian club being transferred to english club, reported in Italy ! All a bit strange really
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
I posted a Russian link earlier :

http://sports-info.ru/rondon-blizok-k-perehodu-v-vest-bromvich/

Think they use the Italian one as source though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 01:45:15 PM
Accepting that there could be some fairly rapid exits from the Russian League given the possible limit on foreign players I still remain sceptical. In those circumstances I don't think the fee would be a massive issue but personal terms could be a sticking point and I still think that Rondon will be looking for CL football.

I await the Howell/Madley denial to be up by teatime ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
Found this article from the Daily Mail 2 years ago ...

West Brom enquire about Rondon
More potential business at the Hawthorns. Neil Moxley reports:
West Bromwich Albion have spoken with Portuguese side CD Nacional about Venezuela striker Mario Rondon, 27.
Albion have been rebuffed in various enquiries as they search for forwards intensifies and also failed in a bid to lure Colombian Adrian Ramos from Hertha Berlin as the German side demanded £8million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2408011/Transfer-deadline-day-live--summer-2013.html#ixzz3i8IkavQq
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:51:16 PM
Accepting that there could be some fairly rapid exits from the Russian League given the possible limit on foreign players I still remain sceptical. In those circumstances I don't think the fee would be a massive issue but personal terms could be a sticking point and I still think that Rondon will be looking for CL football.

I await the Howell/Madley denial to be up by teatime ::)

Shortly followed by confirmation Rondon has had a medical and claiming "things change quickly.."  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 07, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
I agree with those comments. No chance of this signing happening

Why not ?  Assuming Saido stays, then maybe taking Gnarby on loan is instead of paying £9m/£10m for Phillips, freeing up best part of £10m.  If Saido leaves then we can still go in for Phillips, with Rondon already there to replace Saido.

It would be great, but I can't honestly see us having Saido, Rondon and Lambert.  Gut feeling is that landing Rondon is the pre-cursor to us agreeing to let Saido leave, knowing that we already have his replacement signed.  We then have the Saido money to buy Phillips plus one or two others.  To me that seems more likely.       
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 07, 2015, 01:53:05 PM
Found this article from the Daily Mail 2 years ago ...

West Brom enquire about Rondon
More potential business at the Hawthorns. Neil Moxley reports:
West Bromwich Albion have spoken with Portuguese side CD Nacional about Venezuela striker Mario Rondon, 27.
Albion have been rebuffed in various enquiries as they search for forwards intensifies and also failed in a bid to lure Colombian Adrian Ramos from Hertha Berlin as the German side demanded £8million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2408011/Transfer-deadline-day-live--summer-2013.html#ixzz3i8IkavQq
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Different player, this one (Mario) is currently 29 and plays for some team called Shijiazhuang Ever Bright in China.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Floydy on August 07, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Found this article from the Daily Mail 2 years ago ...

West Brom enquire about Rondon
More potential business at the Hawthorns. Neil Moxley reports:
West Bromwich Albion have spoken with Portuguese side CD Nacional about Venezuela striker Mario Rondon, 27.
Albion have been rebuffed in various enquiries as they search for forwards intensifies and also failed in a bid to lure Colombian Adrian Ramos from Hertha Berlin as the German side demanded £8million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2408011/Transfer-deadline-day-live--summer-2013.html#ixzz3i8IkavQq
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Different player mate; Mario is very much a 2nd rate player, Saloman is the real deal
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sammyg on August 07, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
Really can't see this one happening at all, fingers crossed but just can't see him coming
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:58:36 PM
Out of interest, has Pulis ever signed anyone who hasn't played in England before ...?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 02:04:02 PM
Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin  16m16 minutes ago
West Brom wanted to sign Salomon Rondon 2 years ago.
Will get him now.

#WBA @westbrom2day @billhowell68

 Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin 
AVB: "Zenit are forced to release Rondon".

ESPN football writer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
Out of interest, has Pulis ever signed anyone who hasn't played in England before ...?
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.

There's always a first for everything!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.

Maurice Edu from Rangers is the only one I can see ...  :-[
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 02:10:17 PM
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.

Brek Shea and Geoff Cameron are the only think of. As a rule Pulis does look for more established Premier League or English league players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 07, 2015, 02:17:40 PM
Out of interest, has Pulis ever signed anyone who hasn't played in England before ...?
He was clearly prepared to buy Gignac if he hadn't gone off to Mexico instead. I'm guessing there's a certain level of quality that
leads to him branching out further than usual.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stever60 on August 07, 2015, 02:21:01 PM
Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin  16m16 minutes ago
West Brom wanted to sign Salomon Rondon 2 years ago.
Will get him now.

#WBA @westbrom2day @billhowell68

 Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin 
AVB: "Zenit are forced to release Rondon".

ESPN football writer
Newcastle medical in 72 hours.....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 02:22:24 PM
I posted a Russian link earlier :

http://sports-info.ru/rondon-blizok-k-perehodu-v-vest-bromvich/

Think they use the Italian one as source though.

Apologies you already put this up
translation of the russian article follows,

It is worth noting that earlier media reported that 25 -year-old Venezuelan is in the interests of " Everton ", " Aston Villa ", " Newcastle ", " Bolton " and " West Ham " . However , " Blackbirds " - the most likely candidate for a striker.

Recall that Rondon was the " victim " of the new limits on foreign players ( 6 + 5), in the Premier League . The first games of the championship of Russia on football he spent on the bench.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 07, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Some bloke in ASDA just said he's in talks with West Ham......  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 02:30:18 PM
Some bloke in ASDA just said he's in talks with West Ham......  ;)

This guy in ASDA has his ear to the ground and his finger on the pulse!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
This guy in ASDA has his ear to the ground and his finger on the pulse!


or up the Pulis
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
Laurie Whitwell @lauriewhitwell
#wba in advanced talks to sign Zenit St Peterburg striker Salomon Rondon for a club-record fee of around £15m. More at @MailSport
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star  1 min1 minute ago
Albion set to smash transfer record to sign Salomon Rondon from Zenit for around £15m. Story to follow... #wba #wbafc
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
# this#that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2015, 02:36:25 PM
I know nothing about him, but his record is insanely good - I do worry this will mean Berahino is off though? Spurs still haven't signed a striker and it'd make sense we get a replacement in first.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 07, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
Surely Berahino on his way then. Lambert didn't come here to sit on the bench and this guy will surely be a starter.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sammyg on August 07, 2015, 02:38:24 PM
To be fair we were linked with Austin earlier in the window, and to my knowledge that wasn't to replace berahino, interesting that we will spend 15m on rondon and not Austin.... How would rondon compare as I know nothing about him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
nooooooooo we need to keep saido
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Enough reports linking with us now to start a thread, including this from Madeley:

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/albion-poised-to-sign-salomon-rondon-for-record-15m/

It's all pretty incredible that this has come from nowhere!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:38:34 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/albion-poised-to-sign-salomon-rondon-for-record-15m/

Albion poised to sign Salomon Rondon for record £15m
West Brom are poised to smash their transfer record to land Venezuela international striker Salomon Rondon from Zenit St Petersburg for around £15m.
   
The Baggies were today looking to tie up the loose ends of a big-money deal to bring the 25-year-old from Russia.

News of a likely deal for Rondon emerged as Hawthorns officials were completing the formalities of Serge Gnabry’s season-long loan from Arsenal.

Rondon, who has 39 caps for his country, joined Zenit from Rubin Kazan last summer for a fee of around £16m and went on to hit 20 goals in 37 league games for the Russian club last season.

He will join fellow new signing Rickie Lambert, England Under-21s hitman Saido Berahino, Victor Anichebe and Brown Ideye in the battle for forward places.

Rondon moved to Europe seven years ago and played in Spain for Las Palmas and Malaga.

He scored 13 times in 36 league games during two years with Rubin before moving to St Petersburg last summer.

His arrival could pave the way for either Anichebe or Ideye to leave if the Baggies can find a buyer.

Meanwhile, Gnabry will join the Baggies for the rest of the season in a deal that was confirmed by Gunners boss Arsene Wenger this morning but the 20-year-old will not be available for Monday’s season opener at home to Manchester City.

The deadline for new players to figure in the opening weekend has passed, and the player is also short of match fitness.

Pulis has also added winger James McClean and defender James Chester to his squad this summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 07, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Surely Berahino on his way then. Lambert didn't come here to sit on the bench and this guy will surely be a starter.
I would think Ideye has more chance of going. I can see lambert and berahino working alongside this guy with Berahino playing slightly behind the front line.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on August 07, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Savvas78 on August 07, 2015, 02:46:08 PM
I'd be happy with that (as long as he's not being signed to replace Saido)!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:46:33 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.
So he's like Lambert, rather than Berahino/Ideye?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 07, 2015, 02:46:57 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 07, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.

The way TP was speaking the other night on Five Live - he was saying he wants to keep Saido for the couple of years and wanted more players in all positions.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 07, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
if we kept Berahino and signed this guy then we can be very excited about the upcoming season!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 07, 2015, 02:49:17 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.

I hope this spells the end for Anichebe/Ideye as opposed to Saido.

Think out the 4 we currently have it will Ideye who leaves, hasnt really started in pre season (even though hes been scoring) and is probably on a decent enough wage whilst still having something about him to be able to move on for some fee.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
Reported on twitter by the sports writer for The Times now as well.

https://twitter.com/garyjacob

Edit: claims he has arrived for a medical!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 02:50:09 PM
So he's like Lambert, rather than Berahino/Ideye?

I'd say he'd be a replacement for Anichebe. Competition for Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: amathews3416 on August 07, 2015, 02:50:40 PM
Have a bad feeling that Berahino has been sold, otherwise I don't see us spending that much on a striker at the same position.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ben_westbrom on August 07, 2015, 02:50:46 PM
I'd be happy with that (as long as he's not being signed to replace Saido)!

Cynical me thinks thats exactly why he's being signed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
It'll be Anichebe shipped out somewhere, well I hope so anyway
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 02:52:20 PM
I hope this spells the end for Anichebe/Ideye as opposed to Saido.

Think out the 4 we currently have it will Ideye who leaves, hasnt really started in pre season (even though hes been scoring) and is probably on a decent enough wage whilst still having something about him to be able to move on for some fee.

You might be right with Lambert signing and this guy I would expect Anicebe to be gone, Ideye could possibly be backup for Saido still.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.

Who said Austin wants/wanted to come to us? I heard he wanted to stay in London
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:52:58 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.
on paper, Rondon is a significantly better player. It's a risk with him never playing here, but if it comes off he's MUCH better by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:53:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

What a beast
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:55:12 PM
It'll be Anichebe shipped out somewhere, well I hope so anyway

I'd say so. Championship imo - Boro/Derby/Forest. Someone of that ilk
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2015, 02:55:18 PM
He was second top scorer behind Hulk in the Russian premier league last season, having scored 2 less but also played 700 minutes less.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 07, 2015, 02:55:37 PM

It's all pretty incredible that this has come from nowhere!
Its never boring being a Baggies fan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:57:01 PM
I'd say so. Championship imo - Boro/Derby/Forest. Someone of that ilk
as he showed against Birmingham, he could do quite well in that league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:57:04 PM
It's all pretty incredible that this has come from nowhere!

Is it a surprise? Most of our business has been done that way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
I really try to not let myself get excited by rumours because it's WBA and it's normally not true, but this is such an exciting prospect if true.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on August 07, 2015, 02:59:59 PM
Reported on twitter by the sports writer for The Times now as well.

https://twitter.com/garyjacob

Edit: claims he has arrived for a medical!

Not that old chestnut!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 07, 2015, 03:00:39 PM
Sky sources are behind on this one !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 03:02:48 PM
It best not be to replace Saido, nowt i can do but i would rather have Berahino if this is the case
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on August 07, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
So he's like Lambert, rather than Berahino/Ideye?

Yes, more Lambert/Anichebe than Berahino/Ideye.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:03:56 PM
Whilst Randon clearly has an excellent goal-record (so did Brown Ideye) what really worries me is that he chose to go from Malaga to Ruben Kazan. At the time his goal record was almost 1 in 2, and he was 22 years old.

To me this clearly lacks ambition as a player, going from a top league to a team in the Russian wastelands, you have to question whether he'll have the right attitude.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
Not that old chestnut!

Ha very true. Now reported by Greg Evans at the mail.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-set-smash-transfer-9812796

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Whilst Randon clearly has an excellent goal-record (so did Brown Ideye) what really worries me is that he chose to go from Malaga to Ruben Kazan. At the time his goal record was almost 1 in 2, and he was 22 years old.

To me this clearly lacks ambition as a player, going from a top league to a team in the Russian wastelands, you have to question whether he'll have the right attitude.
Wasn't Malaga having to cover MASSIVE debts at the time? Perhaps they sold through need rather than want.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:05:26 PM
I said this in the general thread but what worries me is that he went from Malaga to Ruben Kazan when he was doing excellent at Malaga. I would be very cautious of his attitude if that's the case as he clearly chose money over his career with that move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
I said this in the general thread but what worries me is that he went from Malaga to Ruben Kazan when he was doing excellent at Malaga. I would be very cautious of his attitude if that's the case as he clearly chose money over his career with that move.

If he's coming to us then he isn't going to be on mega-bucks! Not with Jezza in charge :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 03:07:31 PM
I'm literally s***ting myself with excitement. Rondon is literally a goal scoring machine!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 03:07:47 PM
I said this in the general thread but what worries me is that he went from Malaga to Ruben Kazan when he was doing excellent at Malaga. I would be very cautious of his attitude if that's the case as he clearly chose money over his career with that move.

Lets be honest, as do most of them these days ... unfortunately.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Plastic Paddy on August 07, 2015, 03:08:20 PM
Sky sources are behind on this one !

Shouldn't you be working Mark  ;) Sky very rarely break transfer news - just take it from other sources and claim as their own!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Costakiblue on August 07, 2015, 03:09:55 PM
Hopefully there is some substance to this. However let's not count on it yet - I'm sure that there could be other vultures circling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 07, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
Brilliant Albion. We do our business and no one has a clue who we are after until they sign on the dotted line
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 07, 2015, 03:11:11 PM
Whilst Randon clearly has an excellent goal-record (so did Brown Ideye) what really worries me is that he chose to go from Malaga to Ruben Kazan. At the time his goal record was almost 1 in 2, and he was 22 years old.

To me this clearly lacks ambition as a player, going from a top league to a team in the Russian wastelands, you have to question whether he'll have the right attitude.

Weren't Rubin signing the likes of Etoo at the time, and throwing loads of money at it? They had ambitions of dominating Europe at one point - then, if memory serves me right, their owner got fed up and pulled the plug!

Don't think we can really judge him on that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 03:11:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

What a beast

Well of there's one thing that clips shows, it's that he can hit a ball very sweetly and powerfully!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 07, 2015, 03:11:40 PM
Lets be honest, as do most of them these days ... unfortunately.
Like the majority of teams here Malaga have had big financial difficulties. Certainly around the time Rondon was sold they were in major trouble If memory serves Russian league  clubs were the major players at the time as they were less affected by the worlds financial problems.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 03:12:21 PM
This really does seem to have legs and as per my post when it first broke about 2 hours ago I am truly dumbfounded.  :o I do fear that it means Saido is off (which is a very bad thing) and I will fear that until one of either Ideye or Anichebe is sold or the widow closes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: robbo_wba on August 07, 2015, 03:12:22 PM
Weren't Rubin signing the likes of Etoo at the time, and throwing loads of money at it? They had ambitions of dominating Europe at one point - then, if memory serves me right, their owner got fed up and pulled the plug!

Don't think we can really judge him on that.

That was Anzhi Makhachkala
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
Wasn't Malaga having to cover MASSIVE debts at the time? Perhaps they sold through need rather than want.
Yes, but he chose to go to Russia, I'm sure he could have easily gone to anywhere in Europe, Premier League included.

To put it into perspective, Kazan is in the middle of nowhere - so I think it's very fair to question his motives.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 07, 2015, 03:14:33 PM
Shouldn't you be working Mark  ;) Sky very rarely break transfer news - just take it from other sources and claim as their own!

I can multi task in my role !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darby009 on August 07, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.

Allegedly Austin has said he wants to stay in London, maybe we know that and also have had enough of qpr.

There is also the possibility that due to the need to sell, the longer no one comes in for Austin then the more likely qpr may accept a compromise for Phillips ..... In that case why give them full whack for Austin when it could allow them to drive a harder bargain with us for Phillips....

Conspiracy conspiracy lol
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 07, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
 it could very well be the parting of the ways with Saido,if it isnt then poor old Lambert aint going to see much game time surely and i dont see Pulis selling him down the river like that ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boingboing1989 on August 07, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
If we sign this guy this is an absolute bargain! Absolute beast of a striker!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:16:35 PM
Lets be honest, as do most of them these days ... unfortunately.
This isn't like going from London to Hull. To put it into perspective, Ruben Kazan is literally in the middle of nowhere, it's desolate.
I understand that money motivates players and that is acceptable, but if he'd have moved wisely he may be playing in the champions league by now, but instead took the short-term, big money option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited and hope he succeeds but I am very cautious too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
it could very well be the parting of the ways with Saido,if it isnt then poor old Lambert aint going to see much game time surely and i dont see Pulis selling him down the river like that ?

I really think this spell the end more of Anichebe than anyone else. Either that or Ideye.

Rondon's main strength is his strength. He's a completely different player to Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 03:17:13 PM
Now in the mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3188985/West-Brom-advanced-talks-sign-Venezuelan-striker-Salomon-Rondon-club-record-15m.html

Claims he's agent is here today, is a replacement for Ideye if we get £6 mill for him and is TP's main attacking primary attacking target. Contradicts the Times article as his medical is tomorrow...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 03:18:42 PM
I think thats Vic gone if this goes through.

have to say from the video this guy reminds me of  Les Ferdinand in his pomp, which would do very nicely thank you.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Got to remember Austin has serious question marks over some injuries, his shoulder I think in particular. He has failed medicals in the past, so there is obvious caution around Austin.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 07, 2015, 03:23:36 PM
That was Anzhi Makhachkala

Correct...I'll be quiet now!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 03:25:36 PM
Yes, but he chose to go to Russia, I'm sure he could have easily gone to anywhere in Europe, Premier League included.

To put it into perspective, Kazan is in the middle of nowhere - so I think it's very fair to question his motives.
Siberia or West Bromwich... get me coat and a plane ticket!  :)

Kazan's not exactly a nowhere town in the boonies, like Vladivostok or Makhachala, it's Russia's "Third Capital City". It's basically their Manchester with Birmingham's  population and the attractions of any minor Capital city. Bar the freezing winter's of course.

Add that The Russians are usually very wealthy and Rubin Kazan regularly make Europe and I can see why he went there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on August 07, 2015, 03:31:05 PM
please be true
please be vic gone and not bera
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:31:19 PM
I hope he signs anyway, if Berahino stayed and we had the pair plus Lambert, it could be a great season. Watching Randon on youtube his goals look very similar to Benteke's which isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
Always been impressed with Rondon when I saw him playing for Malaga a few years ago (albeit on Sky), powerful, strong and scores a few goals. Hope it comes off but we'll see.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 07, 2015, 03:46:35 PM
I am pleased if this happens but not if Saido is sold. Get rid of Sick Note and we should have 4 Excellent strikers.  But to lose Saido would be folly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 03:52:52 PM
Now it's in the open can we really sign him over other clubs bigger than us?  I would love to think so but I just have a horrible feeling we are going to be gazumped .  Heart says yes , head says no
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 07, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

What a beast
Thanks for posting this. 2 things particularly struck me from this compilation:

1) None of these goals were the result of him dribbling past defenders. To my mind, this just goes to show that most strikers can only be as good as the service they receive.

2) I thought Brown Ideye's Youtube compilation showed him in a better light than this one of Rondon. I don't follow European/international football, so know nothing about Rondon, but obviously he's regarded as being top notch and, therefore, better than Ideye, so fingers crossed that we sign him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 07, 2015, 03:55:52 PM
Now it's in the open can we really sign him over other clubs bigger than us?  I would love to think so but I just have a horrible feeling we are going to be gazumped .  Heart says yes , head says no

Just echoed my thoughts and worries chap.
 :-X.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 04:05:00 PM
Just echoed my thoughts and worries chap.
 :-X.

It was reported at the time Liverpool were interested in him before they wen't for Benteke. I would be worried about the other clubs are size West Ham and Newcastle in particular, however the price tag may put West Ham off as they are short of strikers because of injury.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:10:50 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...

I wouldn't be worried about other clubs being alerted to his availability by the current press coverage that is not the way modern football works. Every club who could potentially meet the £15m asking price would be alerted either by Zenit or his agent days ago. The fact that he seems to be on the verge of joining would suggest that there were no other takers.

In terms of who he's like target man in the Vic mould in terms of being a bit of a unit but much more mobile and a more instinctive finisher.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 04:14:06 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...



its a good job Potato Head got relegated
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 07, 2015, 04:14:51 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...
they´re signing Jimenez from AT.Madrid
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Reading websites on news now saying he was here to talk to Newcastle, so surely he will go there.
Speculation I think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2015, 04:19:42 PM
Reading websites on news now saying he was here to talk to Newcastle, so surely he will go there.
Speculation I think.

A little more than speculation if he's been at the training ground as well as Tom Ross posting on twitter that Pulis has said today that he's hoping to sign him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
Reading websites on news now saying he was here to talk to Newcastle, so surely he will go there.
Speculation I think.
Didn't Newcastle just sign a Eastern European striker for fairly big money? You'd think with him, Cabella and Cisse they'd be sorted?
Newcastle have also already spent £40 million in this window so that's probably most of their budget.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:23:32 PM
A little more than speculation if he's been at the training ground as well as Tom Ross posting on twitter that Pulis has said today that he's hoping to sign him.

I am happy to be wrong B_H  :-)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
Always expect the worst until any deal is officially signed  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 07, 2015, 04:29:48 PM
I do wonder if player and agent will be expecting a bigger club to come in. I'm not sure who'll be more surprised if he signs, us or the player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
If true it must mean we have sold saido??

But reading up on him isn't he a similar player to lambert? 6 foot 3?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on August 07, 2015, 04:59:21 PM
If true it must mean we have sold saido??

But reading up on him isn't he a similar player to lambert? 6 foot 3?
Why must it mean we have sold Saido? It's been widely reported that we want two strikers in at least this summer and we were looking for a big money signing as well. Not sure either of those two criteria were in anyway related to Saido going so I don't see why this is an indication that he will go.

As you say, given his attributes and physical size, he doesn't really come across as a Saido replacement.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Why are people suddenly presuming we are selling Saido because we are spending a large sum of money on rondon. To me its quite obvious the plan is to pair the two together.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 05:05:13 PM
If we stay up then surely we will make our money back plus more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on August 07, 2015, 05:06:28 PM
Why are people suddenly presuming we are selling Saido because we are spending a large sum of money on rondon. To me its quite obvious the plan is to pair the two together.

Its the Albion, it wouldn't be unheard of. I'm not sure what the most we have spent in the premier league is, but 1.5m, 8m, and 15m must surely be our biggest expenditure. Thats with some other signings needed still and the players we want to shift on aren't going to bring in much more than 5m or so.

I personally don't think we will sell Saido this year, but I think we might spend a little more as Saido will be seen as money in the bank (which along with the increase in tv money next year will see JP sleep easily if we over spend a little this year). I can understand why people are sceptical though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on August 07, 2015, 05:07:10 PM
Any side needs 4 decent strikers
If he does sign we now have only 3, I would be happy to keep Bobby Brown but we all know that you cant trust Big Vic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on August 07, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
Any side needs 4 decent strikers
If he does sign we now have only 3, I would be happy to keep Bobby Brown but we all know that you cant trust Big Vic.

Vic is poor 4th choice striker, because if he is needed its likely we have been hit by injuries. Yes you cannot guarantee any player will not pick up a knock, but with sick vic its a good possibility which isn't great if you are down to him because of injuries in the first place.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 07, 2015, 05:15:44 PM
A prolific striker,can't wait to see he plays for us!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 05:18:21 PM
Ideally we should be looking to move on Anichebe. I'm happy to have Ideye has fourth choice. Always amazes me how people moan about the club and signings yet look just how far we've come. We could be going into the season with Berahinio, Rondon, Lambert, Ideye...incredible if you ask me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on August 07, 2015, 05:18:50 PM
Where did he pop up from? Nothing was said about him till this morning /afternoon, well not that I heard. Just hope and pray that he signs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on August 07, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
Yes, but we don't do it fast enough for the fantasy football manager twonks that post on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 05:27:01 PM
Ideye now following both Gnabry and Rondon on instagram and Twitter. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
Ideally we should be looking to move on Anichebe. I'm happy to have Ideye has fourth choice. Always amazes me how people moan about the club and signings yet look just how far we've come. We could be going into the season with Berahinio, Rondon, Lambert, Ideye...incredible if you ask me.

That would be an incredible striking force for WBA. I still think that Ideye is a very good striker to have as a 4th choice as well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Marcus on August 07, 2015, 05:53:39 PM
Could it also be that the funds ring-fenced for Matty Phillips or similar, have now been allocated to Rondon as a result of getting Gnabry on loan?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 07, 2015, 05:54:55 PM
We should remember that we have now signed two record signings (potentially) without any noise. It is pretty remarkable. Perhaps next summer window we'll be more trusting with the club as we'll do nothing in Jan as usual.

Would love to see us with Bera, Lambert, Rondon and Brown. Hopefully we don't keep Vic and let Ideye go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 07, 2015, 05:57:54 PM
Jeezo, we'll have some player on our hands if we can land this bloke  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 07, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
Could it also be that the funds ring-fenced for Matty Phillips or similar, have now been allocated to Rondon as a result of getting Gnabry on loan?

I thought that. Gnabry, MacM, MacL as our wingers, Brunt as backup and Lambo, Saido and Rondon in rotation up front. That's a potent attack to add to a solid defence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on August 07, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
wow wow wow! I had put Gnabry as our best signing but this would be amazing. Have put a bottle of bubbly in the fridge in eager anticipation. COYB
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2015, 06:16:39 PM
We (the fans) have to come back down to earth.
I can't see it happening for our club.
Too much info for other clubs to nip in and steal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dubya BA on August 07, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
Haha!  :D It says on Wikipaedia the he plays for Barley Mow at the minute! Would that be the one in Wolverhampton?

Jokes aside this would be a mighty signing and if we keep Saido too-a potentially great pairing.  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on August 07, 2015, 06:45:25 PM
Has anyone ever seen him play?what type of striker is he?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on August 07, 2015, 06:46:25 PM
Definitely got a feeling his agent will have received a few calls in the last couple of hours as this news has been reproduced in all the newswires. Not sure if we'll get this over the line one way or another. Hope I'm proved very wrong though!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 06:48:07 PM
Has anyone ever seen him play?what type of striker is he?

Strong, reasonably tall. Won't bustle past a defender a la Lukaku, but is a good finisher and uses his strength to good effect. Sorry I don't know more than that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 06:52:34 PM
Definitely got a feeling his agent will have received a few calls in the last couple of hours as this news has been reproduced in all the newswires. Not sure if we'll get this over the line one way or another. Hope I'm proved very wrong though!

It's his agents job to make the calls and make clubs aware his player is avaliable. The days of the media leaking it to clubs are long gone.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on August 07, 2015, 07:00:18 PM
It's his agents job to make the calls and make clubs aware his player is avaliable. The days of the media leaking it to clubs are long gone.

So it is impossible for a club to see that a deal is potentially going to go through and then decide to call his agent to alert the player to their new interest? Anyway, not getting into a debate as I get bored of seeing people having rubbish arguments on here just lately. Just my thoughts and could be wrong. Don't really care  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 07, 2015, 07:01:35 PM
Very very interesting one if we can get it done (and it doesn't single the end of Saido).
However, we have learnt in the past not to get our hopes up until we see him holding the shirt!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
Definitely got a feeling his agent will have received a few calls in the last couple of hours as this news has been reproduced in all the newswires. Not sure if we'll get this over the line one way or another. Hope I'm proved very wrong though!

I recon a lot of clubs would have been aware of his availability and could already have been talking to him. If they just rely on information from the internet they are a joke of a club if you ask me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 07, 2015, 07:16:59 PM
That it's only come out now suggests to me that all elements are in place, and it's down to the medical being completed.

Exciting signing if we pull it off.

Would still like another winger to compliment our attacking though.

Also suggests we're likely to play more in the mould of a TP Palace side, than a TP Stoke side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Yamaka on August 07, 2015, 07:46:38 PM
As others have pointed out these bolts from the blue type signings tend to fit the mould of our past dealings which makes me optimistic that this is kosha.

As for Saido being on his way out that is a completely different deal which will almost certainly be made sooner or later.

As long as it's not sooner we could have a rather good team to start the season with.   8)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
It's his agents job to make the calls and make clubs aware his player is avaliable. The days of the media leaking it to clubs are long gone.

There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!

I would of thought that its just business that the agent would leak this to try and earn more money for their client or do they get tied to NDA's to prevent the leak?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:10:49 PM
Also I cant be bothered to go back and quote the post but for someone to compare Austin to Rondon is just insane. A proven international with an amazing goal record and reputation in the game or Austin who has had one good season in the PL and has massive injury issues.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 08:12:38 PM
Maybe the club thought it was the right time in the window to try to sign him. Others have already spent big on strikers or already have strikers in place. So it being leaked won't make too much difference.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 08:13:10 PM
Also I cant be bothered to go back and quote the post but for someone to compare Austin to Rondon is just insane. A proven international with an amazing goal record and reputation in the game or Austin who has had one good season in the PL and has massive injury issues.
In your humble opinion, what percentage do you think it's likely we sign Randon?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2015, 08:13:20 PM
Also I cant be bothered to go back and quote the post but for someone to compare Austin to Rondon is just insane. A proven international with an amazing goal record and reputation in the game or Austin who has had one good season in the PL and has massive injury issues.

Is it likely to be announced tomorrow?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 08:15:28 PM
There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!

Is it your thoughts then based on your comments that this deal may fall down? Has he had his medical?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on August 07, 2015, 08:16:00 PM
There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!

Then we just have to hope like hell that other clubs don't move for him although like you say proven champions league player for £15m in this day and age he will always garner interest from bigger clubs at that price. I just hope people don't bash the club if he chooses to go elsewhere thev done all they can. If this was to be wrapped up what sort of timeline would you imagine it would be done in? Thanks for the insight as well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 07, 2015, 08:16:52 PM
Baggie 79 everyone on here appreciates your honesty and your links. I'm impatient sometimes but I know the club have to keep things close to hand because if it leaked we could lose a player. I really hope we don't lose this one as it sounds an absolute coup. Sadly people will continue to demand news. Hopefully this comes off and our reward for keeping it hush hush is the signing of this guy and then we release a statement asking all fans to be patient and believe what's going on behind the scenes is a lot and is beneficial
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:21:49 PM
I would of thought that its just business that the agent would leak this to try and earn more money for their client or do they get tied to NDA's to prevent the leak?

The agent would have pushed the player for lets say £25m to try to get the best sign on for his client and himself, most clubs would turn there noses up at this but as soon it leaks we have agreed £15m it is another story.

Will he sign for us? Yes I think he will but this doesn't help at all..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
The agent would have pushed the player for lets say £25m to try to get the best sign on for his client and himself, most clubs would turn there noses up at this but as soon it leaks we have agreed £15m it is another story.

Will he sign for us? Yes I think he will but this doesn't help at all..

Thanks for the input baggie79 you say in another post this is 99 percent done? Could this potentially get announced tonight or tomorrow? It's that close.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:31:46 PM
Thanks for the input baggie79 you say in another post this is 99 percent done? Could this potentially get announced tonight or tomorrow? It's that close.

He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:33:12 PM
He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.

Cheers mate. I'm glad you still think he will sign for us but I refuse to get excited until it's all official on the club site.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 08:33:48 PM
He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.

It's a shame they can't push it through on a Saturday, that gives teams the chance to jump in and stretches that 11th hour to two days! WHO LEAKED THIS DAMNIT?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:40:40 PM
It's a shame they can't push it through on a Saturday, that gives teams the chance to jump in and stretches that 11th hour to two days! WHO LEAKED THIS DAMNIT?!

If baggie79 still thinks he will sign and he says it's 99 percent done then I'm confident he will sign for us. I wonder how much we are paying him a week? Surely he will be our highest earner.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ABaggie on August 07, 2015, 08:41:36 PM
It's a shame they can't push it through on a Saturday, that gives teams the chance to jump in and stretches that 11th hour to two days! WHO LEAKED THIS DAMNIT?!

His agent. It's what he is employed to do
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
I should also add Ideye followed him on Twitter and Instagram earlier which makes me even more confident that the deal is 99 percent done  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 07, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
His goals to games ratio is almost identical to that  of Ideye's incidentally. Lets hope he performs better if indeed he does sign. I can see Ideye leaving. He will score plenty elsrwhere as he's proved in the past. I just don't think he's cut out for the Prem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 09:06:48 PM
Being an albion fan I fear the worst....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 09:08:53 PM
His player profile has been removed from the zenit st Petersberg official site. Make of that what you will. I did not realise that Milan Baros was their manager.

From what I can work out from the Venezuela press his is also their most expensive national player ever.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
His player profile has been removed from the zenit st Petersberg official site. Make of that what you will. I did not realise that Milan Baros was their manager.

From what I can work out from the Venezuela press his is also their most expensive national player ever.

AVB is their manager not Milan Baros. It sure seems like another thing to prove the move is near.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 09:27:30 PM
AVB is their manager not Milan Baros. It sure seems like another thing to prove the move is near.

You are quite right!  I'm getting worried now as the last time I got this excited was when Anelka joined.  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 09:32:06 PM
£13.5m is the fee, could be announced as early as tomorrow all being well. Sorry for the confusion but things change minute to minute.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 09:38:15 PM
£13.5m is the fee, could be announced as early as tomorrow all being well. Sorry for the confusion but things change minute to minute.

As in things have changed since your last posts 15 or so minutes ago? His profile has been removed from the club site. Ideye is following him on Twitter and instagram and someone as reliable as you has stated they think he will sign and its 99 percent done...I'm confident  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
As in things have changed since your last posts 15 or so minutes ago? His profile has been removed from the club site. Ideye is following him on Twitter and instagram and someone as reliable as you has stated they think he will sign and its 99 percent done...I'm confident  :P

Not holding the shirt yet, phrase chickens and counting springs to mind. 🙏
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2015, 09:43:23 PM
£13.5m is the fee, could be announced as early as tomorrow all being well. Sorry for the confusion but things change minute to minute.
thanks for updating, its nice having our own fly on the wall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
My mom and dad are in Cielo having a meal and Yacob  is sitting 2 tables behind them. Yacob is checking the newsnow newsfeed on his phone every 10 minutes according to my dad. After he as eaten, my dad eckons he is going to ask him what he knows. Luckily we've lived in Spain for the last 10 years and my dad can speak Spanish, if I here anything I'll let you all know but knowing my dad, he'll probably bottle it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: royhan on August 07, 2015, 09:56:01 PM
The Daily Mail online edition is reporting in one sentence that Rondon had his medical today, but later on in the report says he will have the medical tomorrow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 07, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
Hats off IF we pull this signing off. Hopefully keep Saido to though and not a replacement
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 09:58:17 PM
My mom and dad are in Cielo having a meal and Yacob  is sitting 2 tables behind them. Yacob is checking the newsnow newsfeed on his phone every 10 minutes according to my dad. After he as eaten, my dad eckons he is going to ask him what he knows. Luckily we've lived in Spain for the last 10 years and my dad can speak Spanish, if I here anything I'll let you all know but knowing my dad, he'll probably bottle it.

Let's hope he doesn't bottle it on this one occasion  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
The Daily Mail online edition is reporting in one sentence that Rondon had his medical today, but later on in the report says he will have the medical tomorrow.

There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 10:03:20 PM
There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.

I may be wrong but it sounds like fee agreed he had his medical today then we will see results tomorrow and could announce it as early as tomorrow all being well? Please feel free to correct me if thats not the scenario  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.

Don't quite understand the comment in how it refers to the article. If you say it will be announced shortly I do believe you but perhaps you could explain your thoughts on the medical side of things

Think baggie38 answered my comment😊😉
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2015, 10:10:49 PM
There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.
That sounds to me like a problem with the medical , IF he signs I will judge him when he plays as I had my fingers burnt with Anelka and Rosenberg  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2015, 10:10:55 PM
My mom and dad are in Cielo having a meal and Yacob  is sitting 2 tables behind them. Yacob is checking the newsnow newsfeed on his phone every 10 minutes according to my dad. After he as eaten, my dad eckons he is going to ask him what he knows. Luckily we've lived in Spain for the last 10 years and my dad can speak Spanish, if I here anything I'll let you all know but knowing my dad, he'll probably bottle it.
your dad will be in the dog house later VANDERLEI, he's having dinner with his wife while he watches what Yacobs doing and telling you at the same time.
hope the foods great for your mom to compensate for your dads behaviour.
 glad to see your dads got his priorities right and please thank him for any info received. :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on August 07, 2015, 10:15:16 PM
Stunned that we're going to pull this off. His goalscoring record everywhere he was played has been impressive and more importantly he's still only 25 and getting a player in his peak.

I would much rather spend the money on Rondon than Austin.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
JP spending £15m.

More likely to see salman rushdie up front than a £15m striker.

If he comes it will be sold to us like the brown 10m record signing which turned out to be about 2m down with rest of 10m based on him finding shergar and curing cancer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
JP spending £15m.

More likely to see salman rushdie up front than a £15m striker.

If he comes it will be sold to us like the brown 10m record signing which turned out to be about 2m down with rest of 10m based on him finding shergar and curing cancer.

There's no pleasing some folk. Who cares as long as he can score goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on August 07, 2015, 10:26:17 PM
Does anyone know the make up of the deal? Is it straight £13.5m up front or a smaller fee heavily weighted with incentives?

All signing are a risk but this one looks promising. Althought Ideye Browns record before us looked promising too.     
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 10:36:25 PM
He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/salomon-rondon-close-to-albion-move/

Zenit St Petersburg have accepted a fee from the Baggies and the Venezuela forward has finalised personal terms and passed a medical.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 10:44:34 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 10:47:17 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background



Haha, nice info and picture. Props to your parents too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
Haha, nice info and picture. Props to your parents too.

Poor Yacob, my dad must have bored him to death. He's a proper motormouth.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
There's no pleasing some folk. Who cares as long as he can score goals

I've got no problem with a goal scoring striker, far from it.

My problem is jp's bull.

If a player costs 2m down which could rise to 10m tell me that, don't tell he's our record 10m signing.

Regards rondon the only reason we are in for him than the prem proven, same price Austin must be wages.

Given the choice i know which i would pick.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jwilkes90 on August 07, 2015, 11:02:07 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)

😂 Top work
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 11:03:08 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)

MILF!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 11:06:06 PM
MILF!!!

Oi that's mom..... and possibly my future stepdad in the background.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on August 07, 2015, 11:08:38 PM
Stifler's mum. Nice.  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 11:10:15 PM
Oi that's mom..... and possibly my future stepdad in the background.

 ;D ;D

I just said what people were thinking!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 11:12:34 PM
Note to self: Don't post pics of female relatives on westbrom.com anymore
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2015, 11:15:13 PM
I've got no problem with a goal scoring striker, far from it.

My problem is jp's bull.

If a player costs 2m down which could rise to 10m tell me that, don't tell he's our record 10m signing.

Regards rondon the only reason we are in for him than the prem proven, same price Austin must be wages.

Given the choice i know which i would pick.

Not bothered if he costs £13m up front or 13p unfront and the rest in add-ons as long as he does the business. JP and the press can bandy what figures they like around, who cares.

As for wages I would imagine he's on a decent whack in Russia, according to this site his wages in 2014 were $3.6m around £44k a week which according to the same site is around £20k a week more than Austin so not looking as though we're going for the cheap option.

http://www.celebritiesmoney.com/jose-salomon-rondon-salary-net-worth-centre-forward-of-zenit-st-petersburg/

Proven track record and from what I have seen in the past powerful striker who knows where the net in.

Just hope we can pull it off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 11:37:23 PM
Not bothered if he costs £13m up front or 13p unfront and the rest in add-ons as long as he does the business. JP and the press can bandy what figures they like around, who cares.

As for wages I would imagine he's on a decent whack in Russia, according to this site his wages in 2014 were $3.6m around £44k a week which according to the same site is around £20k a week more than Austin so not looking as though we're going for the cheap option.

http://www.celebritiesmoney.com/jose-salomon-rondon-salary-net-worth-centre-forward-of-zenit-st-petersburg/

Proven track record and from what I have seen in the past powerful striker who knows where the net in.

Just hope we can pull it off.


Well according to Yacob we have.  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 11:38:29 PM
 It may not bother you being told inaccurate figures but it does me.

I went to see our "10m" striker brown against the dingles in an u21 game at the start of last season and left gutted thinking we'd wasted "10m" on a bloke who couldn't trap a bag of cement.

Regarding Austin you're gravelly mistaken if you think after his England call up he'll be on less than Rodondo when he moves clubs.

My major concern with Brown and now Rodondo is nobody had heard of them and no other club are fighting to get them.

Much prefer a proven prem player like austin.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
In my last post i meant rondon not rodondo.

He was the argentine superstar fernando redondo who was about to sign for us ab few years back but retired instead.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on August 07, 2015, 11:46:54 PM
It may not bother you being told inaccurate figures but it does me.

I went to see our "10m" striker brown against the dingles in an u21 game at the start of last season and left gutted thinking we'd wasted "10m" on a bloke who couldn't trap a bag of cement.

Regarding Austin you're gravelly mistaken if you think after his England call up he'll be on less than Rodondo when he moves clubs.

My major concern with Brown and now Rodondo is nobody had heard of them and no other club are fighting to get them.

Much prefer a proven prem player like austin.

Sorry but I'm fairly sure quite a few on here would have heard of Rondon before today. He has a much better pedigree than what Ideye came with, he's scored goals in Spain and Russia, both much better leagues than in Ukraine where Ideye was bought.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2015, 11:48:35 PM

Well according to Yacob we have.  :P

I know and I also saw what Baggie79 said but until that photo appears on the website with the shirt or scarf then theres always a chance it falls through, its happened before and can alsways happen again  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on August 07, 2015, 11:48:51 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

A mixture of tap-ins and shocking defending in the main. It will be interesting to see how he copes with the premiership...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 07, 2015, 11:56:07 PM
It would be great to get Rondon, keep Bera, get rid of Vic,...and Ideye comes good.

Is that asking too much?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 07, 2015, 11:59:27 PM
Fingers and toes are crossed!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 08, 2015, 12:10:59 AM
Express and star seem to think he's signed, if you read the article a little further down. You'd think for any more signings Berahino would have to be off, providing this does come through.

Either way it's a big statement and hats off to Pulis and Peace if it comes off.

McClean, Lambert and Chester are 3 solid signings. Gnabry and Rondon would add a lot going forward.

Starting to turn into a good window IF this happens.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2015, 12:23:52 AM
If the deal gets done it is obviously a major investment in a player at the peak of his career which is what many fans want to see. It does not matter whether it is £15m or £13.5m does the extra £1.5m make him a better player? If it is any comfort for those who set store by such things a google search will reveal an article linking him with Spurs and Liverpool so obviously that validates us signing him although you would need over look those club's signing of Carroll and Soldado.

If the fee is structured so what? If he is a success we will pay the money and  if he's not well thank God we did because it will save a few million towards getting a replacement. As for signing Charlie Austin it might be as simple as a player who would seem to be courted by half the clubs in the Premier League is not particularly interested in joining us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 08, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
We would be probably 5th choice for Austin at best.

Given his dodgy knee and huge wage packet, I think he's best left for clubs who can splash 15 million and afford to risk him being injured for lengthy periods.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dubya BA on August 08, 2015, 12:33:28 AM
It would be great to get Rondon, keep Bera, get rid of Vic,...and Ideye comes good.

Is that asking too much?

If it is ...I am asking too much too. I actually think it would be great if we could keep all of our existing strikers but obviously we may have to let at least one go to get back some cash.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 12:35:13 AM
Wiki now saying he plays for us. I know Wiki isn't the most reliable as we saw with Jianlin, but a lot of people have run with this including Steve Madely.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 08, 2015, 12:52:58 AM
If we do wrap this up and our strikers are berahino, lambert, rondon and anichebe? Then that is one if the best strike forces in the league!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 08, 2015, 02:08:24 AM
Sorry but I'm fairly sure quite a few on here would have heard of Rondon before today. He has a much better pedigree than what Ideye came with, he's scored goals in Spain and Russia, both much better leagues than in Ukraine where Ideye was bought.

Fair play to those who have heard of Rondon.

But, i've beem to the last 5 world cups and am now waiting for the weekly world football show to start at 2am on radio five live.A radio show around this time last year the african football correspondent, when asked by an albion mon on the phone in what he thought of Brown for 10m said we had vastly overpaid for him.
On contray on the same show phil vickery, the south american correspondent said Blanco coyld be a
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 08, 2015, 02:10:53 AM
That should of read blanco could be the surprise great signing of the summer window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 08, 2015, 02:23:52 AM
Funnily enough vickery has said he has worries about the record fee being mooted for rondon and how he will find a league where his physical style is the norm not the exceptuon which makes him  good in russia.

It's available on demand if anyone wants to listen to the show repeated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 08, 2015, 03:10:57 AM
Jose Salomon Rondon? Big, strong, decent finisher. Replacement for Ideye?

EDIT: Would be amazed if he came to us. He is a Champions League quality striker. I also don't understand how/why he'd be available. Easily a £10 million striker, and contracted until 2018 apparently.

Had to be a replacement for sick vic. One big lunp whose never fit replaced by this beast who seems to have a better knack of finding the net. Ideye offers plenty vic doesn't
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2015, 06:17:01 AM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)

Has Yacob had a perm?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2015, 06:49:10 AM
As he's Venezuelan, will he need a work permit or does he qualify to play in Europe some other way?

It looks like he's been on the bench for Zenit's first 3 league games of the season, despite scoring 20 goals in 44 games for them last season. He did play in 3 games at COPA 2015 in June though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 08, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
 a lot of South American guys travel on Spanish/Portugese  passports through their ancestry, have no idea whether this bloke does or not but if he does  then he wont need a work permit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on August 08, 2015, 08:08:04 AM
Really hope that we can sign Rondon just to have this song ringing around the Hawthorns

With a bit of humour in about our Jezza -Bless him.

The Albion signed him for 15 mill

A do Ron-don a do Ron-don

When somebody told me my heart stood still

A do Ron-don a do Ron-don

Oh he's 15 mill - Jezza must have taken a pill

But when he scores a goal - A do Ron-don a do Ron-don
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 08, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Ronny will be our top scorer this season. No question. Reminds me of Carew, Benteke, Dzeko...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
As he's Venezuelan, will he need a work permit or does he qualify to play in Europe some other way?

It looks like he's been on the bench for Zenit's first 3 league games of the season, despite scoring 20 goals in 44 games for them last season. He did play in 3 games at COPA 2015 in June though.

He should/may qualify for a permit if these articles are anything to go by.
(Ed' at 13:02: unless he already qualifies via an EU passport which I meant to type in earlier  ??? )

Taken from the Metro when Rondon was linked to both Liverpool and Spurs in March:

“The 25-year-old would qualify for a work permit as he is a regular in the Venezuela team with 12 goals in 36 games for his country”.

Article linked below:

http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/01/tottenham-hotspur-and-liverpool-plot-transfer-raid-on-zenit-saint-petersburgs-salomon-rondon-5058239/ (http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/01/tottenham-hotspur-and-liverpool-plot-transfer-raid-on-zenit-saint-petersburgs-salomon-rondon-5058239/)

Meanwhile the criteria for work permits’ from none EU countries states:

“1. A player must have played for his country in at least 75% of its competitive A team matches of which he was available for selection, during the two years preceding the date of the application

2. The player’s country must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA world rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of the application”.

Source linked below:

http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits.htm (http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits.htm)

Venezuela’s current world ranking is 48:

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/associations/association=ven/men/index.html (http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/associations/association=ven/men/index.html)

The 'only' fly in the ointment is that according to the attached ranking chart Venezuela were ranked 88 last year. However, this was the only time in which they have dropped from the top 70 of world rankings since 2006 so 'may' be taken into account perhaps. Either that, or this is the reason the 'big' boys have not bid for him thus far perhaps!?!

Hope this helps.
 :).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2015, 09:10:17 AM
Decent review here:

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/meet-jose-salomon-rondon-venezuelan-powerhouse-who-could-complete-liverpools-front-line
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 08, 2015, 09:44:22 AM
Decent review here:

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/meet-jose-salomon-rondon-venezuelan-powerhouse-who-could-complete-liverpools-front-line

cheers for that, bit worried about the sick note aspect to his lat season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2015, 10:15:38 AM
From the 442 article the words that matter

“He’s a young man who likes to work hard,” Pellegrini said in 2012. “From the outset he’s always shown willingness to evolve and learn day after day. He’s still at that stage where he has a long way to go, but it is a privilege to have him in the team.”


That makes him a Pulis type player and the stuff about working hard out of possession would be music to TP's ears.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
Hope this helps.
 :).
It does - thanks for the info SmethDan. Fingers crossed that things don't founder because of a work permit issue if we do sign him.

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sammyg on August 08, 2015, 11:40:33 AM
Sky sports really don't have a clue do they,

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9941039/salomon-rondon-set-to-join-west-brom-in-club-record-deal-sky-sources-understand

"Rondon would become Tony Pulis’ seventh summer signing of the summer and the club’s second new striker following the arrival of Rickie Lambert from Liverpool."

Seventh?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Wonder if this could get announced today or the club will just wait until Monday?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Wonder if this could get announced today or the club will just wait until Monday?


presenting him to the crowd on Monday i would guess
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:43:44 AM

presenting him to the crowd on Monday i would guess

They may present him to the crowd but I'm referring to breaking the news that he has signed.


Edit
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 08, 2015, 11:46:56 AM
They may present him to the crowd but I'm receding to breaking the news that he has signed.

Receding?

Baggie38 - does this mean berahino is gone as reporting on twitter?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 11:48:27 AM
They may present him to the crowd but I'm receding to breaking the news that he has signed.

I know this is beginning to drag a bit, but it's not worth pulling your hair out over chap.
 ;).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Receding?

Baggie38 - does this mean berahino is gone as reporting on twitter?

Take what you read on Twitter as gossip and nothing more. The club are planning on playing rondon with berahinio as far as I'm aware the situation hasn't changed the club have received no bids for Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charliemike on August 08, 2015, 11:56:15 AM
If Albion do sign this lad my gut feeling is saido will go . Mind you 25million would mean we can carry on strengthening in other areas . This is only the start of tony PULIS revamping our squad .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:58:20 AM
If Albion do sign this lad my gut feeling is saido will go . Mind you 25million would mean we can carry on strengthening in other areas . This is only the start of tony PULIS revamping our squad .

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but honestly I think that's just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2015, 12:09:40 PM
Why is it I always feel that any new proposed signing is going to fall though at the last minute. So just for my piece of my mind just how close are we of signing Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charliemike on August 08, 2015, 12:11:19 PM
Thanks Baggie . I wasn't wishfull thinking . I'm more shell shocked with us spending some money .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 12:12:10 PM
Why is it I always feel that any new proposed signing is going to fall though at the last minute. So just for my piece of my mind just how close are we of signing Rondon.

If you believe what the Express and Star said last night the fee is agreed between the clubs, medical has been passed, personal terms agreed and we are waiting for international clearance. With all of that in mind I would find it staggering if it fell through now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 12:36:47 PM
If you believe what the Express and Star said last night the fee is agreed between the clubs, medical has been passed, personal terms agreed and we are waiting for international clearance. With all of that in mind I would find it staggering if it fell through now.

Doesn't that mean we can announce it now but just have to say "subject to gaining international Clearance"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 12:43:14 PM
No idea, I don't claim to be in the know about these things.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 08, 2015, 12:45:09 PM
Doesn't that mean we can announce it now but just have to say "subject to gaining international Clarence"

Think you may have been cross eyed when your wrote this bit.

Pretty sure we announced well in advance of Brown Ideye's international clearance and Gamboa's caused some questions too due to him missing international games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
If you believe what the Express and Star said last night the fee is agreed between the clubs, medical has been passed, personal terms agreed and we are waiting for international clearance. With all of that in mind I would find it staggering if it fell through now.

Don't mean to be picky, but in fairness having just watched the video which was attached to that story, Madeley only says states the deal is 'close'.

Despite the accompanying text saying otherwise, the header also says 'close'.

He does not actually say that everything has been agreed and believes there may still be some talking to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 12:54:32 PM
Don't mean to be picky, but in fairness having just watched the video which was attached to that story, Madeley only says states the deal is 'close'.

Despite the accompanying text saying otherwise, the header also says 'close'.

He does not actually say that everything has been agreed and believes there may still be some talking to do.

If I remember right the video was posted earlier in the day while the article was updated after the video was posted.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 12:55:56 PM
Not seen the video just read the article attached to it late last night.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 12:58:32 PM
If I remember right the video was posted earlier in the day while the article was updated after the video was posted.

Fair do's '38, I had no idea they had staggered the timings.
Cheers for that.
 8).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ABaggie on August 08, 2015, 12:59:30 PM
Think you may have been cross eyed when your wrote this bit.

Pretty sure we announced well in advance of Brown Ideye's international clearance and Gamboa's caused some questions too due to him missing international games.

Brown & Gamboa both had to wait for work permits. This is different to international clearance. I have taken this to mean that like many south Americans Rondon has a Spanish passport. With a Spanish passport he wont need a work permit and so the club are simply waiting for his registration to be transferred from the Russian fa to the English fa. I may be wrong though
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 08, 2015, 01:03:00 PM
Brown & Gamboa both had to wait for work permits. This is different to international clearance. I have taken this to mean that like many south Americans Rondon has a Spanish passport. With a Spanish passport he wont need a work permit and so the club are simply waiting for his registration to be transferred from the Russian fa to the English fa. I may be wrong though

Thanks for the clarification, I knew there was some delay.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
I hope I am wrong, but, I have reservations about this signing, if he was that good, someone in the Premier League would have taken a punt already, as I say, hope I'm wrong. :-\
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 08, 2015, 02:38:01 PM
Trained with the first team this morning. Saw him with my own eyes and i am assured the deal is done by by another first teamer who said he is quality.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 08, 2015, 02:43:24 PM
I hope I am wrong, but, I have reservations about this signing, if he was that good, someone in the Premier League would have taken a punt already, as I say, hope I'm wrong. :-\
wasn't he Liverpool's back up if they couldn't get Benteke? and anyway, could you not say that about a few players?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on August 08, 2015, 02:56:38 PM
Not sure why people are assuming this signing means Berahino will be away if you believe the gossip Albion are still looking at a number of quality signings which if it came off would mean spending far more than we would get for Berahino.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 03:02:16 PM
wasn't he Liverpool's back up if they couldn't get Benteke? and anyway, could you not say that about a few players?

I think Chelsea were looking at him to replace Drogba a couple of seasons ago,too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 03:06:06 PM
Trained with the first team this morning. Saw him with my own eyes and i am assured the deal is done by by another first teamer who said he is quality.

I hope you weren't just seeing things but the signs are certainly positive.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 08, 2015, 03:11:01 PM
I hope you weren't just seeing things but the signs are certainly positive.

110%.

Watched him for around 10 mins in a training match then shooting practice. I spoke with one of our defenders and they said its done, just waiting until monday for paperwork to go to premier league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kevan49 on August 08, 2015, 03:26:10 PM
Thanks for the confirmation, will look forward to Monday even more now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 03:33:12 PM
110%.

Watched him for around 10 mins in a training match then shooting practice. I spoke with one of our defenders and they said its done, just waiting until monday for paperwork to go to premier league.

That makes sense to be fair as our offices are shut over weekend.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2015, 03:35:19 PM
That makes sense to be fair as our offices are shut over weekend.

More likely their offices are closed, our people will be around when needed, part of the job.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 08, 2015, 03:41:12 PM
More likely their offices are closed, our people will be around when needed, part of the job.

£15m deal that breaks our transfer record held up because Wendy needs to do her garden.  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2015, 03:42:40 PM
£15m deal that breaks our transfer record held up because Wendy needs to do her garden.  :D

Richard Garlick needed a new bog brush, heavy night on the beer  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2015, 04:48:37 PM
Trained with the first team this morning. Saw him with my own eyes and i am assured the deal is done by by another first teamer who said he is quality.

Should have taken your own boots pal!  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 08, 2015, 04:57:20 PM
Very good source telling me it's done announcement due Monday followed by an introduction to the fans at Monday nights game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on August 08, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
Looks like a done deal, happy days quality bit of business done there hats of to JP not his greatest fan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 08, 2015, 05:11:49 PM
Congratulations to everyone at the club that has pulled this off. This sort of signing gets you to the next level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: graka on August 08, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
A quality player. When you look at the teams who have been linked with him in quite surprised we have managed to convince him to come to the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
Amazing signing! What a coup. I can't wait to read the official announcement on Monday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 08, 2015, 09:29:16 PM
Amazing signing! What a coup. I can't wait to read the official announcement on Monday.
Is it only me who still will not believe until baggie79 posts he has signed or there is a photo in paper. Even though training with us I am still concerned about something going wrong
Also will be deflated a little if berahino not in squad on Monday. ..

Cannot help being pessimistic -I  remember us selling earnshaw and not replacing him :-(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ABaggie on August 08, 2015, 09:40:43 PM
Is it only me who still will not believe until baggie79 posts he has signed or there is a photo in paper. Even though training with us I am still concerned about something going wrong
Also will be deflated a little if berahino not in squad on Monday. ..

Cannot help being pessimistic -I  remember us selling earnshaw and not replacing him :-(

Earnshaw wasn't very good though. That's why they thought they could manage without him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 08, 2015, 09:44:16 PM
Earnshaw wasn't very good though. That's why they thought they could manage without him

He was our top scorer the year before though. Kevin Campbell was past it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2015, 09:47:04 PM
Is it only me who still will not believe until baggie79 posts he has signed or there is a photo in paper. Even though training with us I am still concerned about something going wrong
Also will be deflated a little if berahino not in squad on Monday. ..

Cannot help being pessimistic -I  remember us selling earnshaw and not replacing him :-(

Berahino will be in the squad on Monday.  A good performance v City could see another £5m on his transfer value
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 08, 2015, 10:33:58 PM
Berahino will be in the squad on Monday.  A good performance v City could see another £5m on his transfer value

Not if a deal is in the pipeline. Peace wouldn't risk an injury preventing a 25m windfall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2015, 10:42:42 PM
Berahino will be in the squad on Monday. A good performance v City could see another £5m on his transfer value

Maybe he's going back with them on the coach
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 12:33:20 AM
If Yacob is excited, I'm excited
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 09, 2015, 09:38:01 AM
If Yacob is excited, I'm excited

Where does it comment Yacob is excited? Have I missed something ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 09, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Where does it comment Yacob is excited? Have I missed something ?

His dad saw him in a restaurant and spoke to him, I think it was his dad! Also somebody else on here spoke to a player and both players said he'd signed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 10:11:39 AM
I don't understand why there is so much excitement over the signing of another unknown quantity.

Surely the stench of the "Brown" stuff is still in our nostrils for us to be somewhat wary.

Better players than rondon have failed in the prem, eg shevchenco.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dubya BA on August 09, 2015, 10:22:44 AM
Its all opinions until he actually plays. I would agree that better players have failed in the premier league but the reason some of us are excited is because Rondon is an established goalscorer. He has proven this on the international stage and with a top European club. By any standard he is a highly rated striker and we are pushing the boat out moneywise to get him.  Liverpool thought he was good enough so why shouldn't we?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 09, 2015, 10:29:18 AM
Liverpool thought he was good enough so why shouldn't we?
You can't really say that though, as Liverpool didn't sign him!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on August 09, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
Its all opinions until he actually plays. I would agree that better players have failed in the premier league but the reason some of us are excited is because Rondon is an established goalscorer. He has proven this on the international stage and with a top European club. By any standard he is a highly rated striker and we are pushing the boat out moneywise to get him.  Liverpool thought he was good enough so why shouldn't we?

Ill be pleased if we sign him but i still see it as a gamble, ideye and rosenberg fell into the category youve stated above and look whats happened with them. I would of preferred us to spend the 15 million on austin. But lets see what he can do, he does look like a good fit for the premier league!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboyfred on August 09, 2015, 10:41:22 AM
cant say i have heard of the guy myself , obviously from all the comments his reputation precedes him, as far as i am concerned like Ideys last season we give him a chance just hope he does better than Ideye has done , hope it does not mean the departure of SB, somebody will have to go hopefully it will be VA  and/or BI, in the meantime looking forward to tomorrow night
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on August 09, 2015, 10:42:36 AM
You can't really say that though, as Liverpool didn't sign him!

and Brendan's transfer record is shocking!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 10:52:43 AM
Where does it comment Yacob is excited? Have I missed something ?

I can 100% confirm that Yacob was excited about Rondon signing. The deal was signed off on Friday evening, so it's just a case of waiting for international clearance by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 11:19:56 AM
It is safe to assume that any player who joins us probably does not have the option of joining a top 6 English club or one of the bigger clubs in Europe. There are exceptions to the rule but in general while a player might be quite good by our standards by Premier League standards they will be about average. If there was an objective way of ranking players by position I very much doubt many if any of ours would be in the top 10. If they were then there would endless speculation concerning their future. Like there is surrounding Saido at the moment.

Ultimately he will be an improvement on Vic to whom he would appear to be similar in style and physic (one has to hope less fragile). Would Pulis have preferred an English based alternative ? Possibly but the obvious one Charlie Austin may have zero interest in signing for us. Is he a risk? Yes but then again there is always a risk with any transfer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 11:31:32 AM
I can 100% confirm that Yacob was excited about Rondon signing. The deal was signed off on Friday evening, so it's just a case of waiting for international clearance by the looks of things.

It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on August 09, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.

If so he should be welcomed with "The Lord Is My Shepherd" by all us fans.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 09, 2015, 11:41:50 AM
It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.

I'd rather he signed a day or two earlier and did his own lap of honour after banging in a hat trick.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Please note I say the club are considering it. they may or may not parade him a decision hasn't been made as of yet. Official announcement should be tomorrow though like others have said.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2015, 11:47:28 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on August 09, 2015, 11:54:09 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino

 :'( fricking hope not either way at least will know tomorrow because he wouldn't be picked for the game if he's on the move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 09, 2015, 11:54:24 AM
I know Albion fans have always been a pessimistic bunch but some of the negativity on here is beggars belief
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 09, 2015, 11:55:30 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino

Where you getting this from, I've seen as much on Spurs fan site but that's just speculating?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2015, 11:57:23 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino

There is absolutely nothing close regarding Berahino
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionwarrior on August 09, 2015, 12:05:30 PM
If you can do something ..... then worry about it and do it?

If you can't why bother .... we are further ahead now than we were this time last season, so whatever else happens will be a further bonus.

Let's be honest, if Saido plays to anywhere near his potential during the season ... He will be gone, maybe in January or probably at the end of the season .... and hopefully on our terms which means we are virtually safe by Christmas or completely safe by the end of the year.

Let's all put on our "Rose Tinted Glasses" and at least enjoy the prospect of the season being about to start

 :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
Don't get my apprehension regards the rondon signing as negativity.

But, look at our prvious record breakers Valero and Brown, great elsewhere average at best with us .

But, if he signs i hope be bangs in dozens and dozens of goals.

I'll be there to welcome him tomorrow night and at watford to see him come off the bench to get the winner.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 09, 2015, 12:17:09 PM
Don't get my apprehension regards the rondon signing as negativity.

But, look at our prvious record breakers Valero and Brown, great elsewhere average at best with us .

But, if he signs i hope be bangs in dozens and dozens of goals.

I'll be there to welcome him tomorrow night and at watford to see him come off the bench to get the winner.

He is a much more naturally gifted footballer than Ideye, which will help a lot in this league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 09, 2015, 12:22:13 PM
Having a physical presence will be a clear advantage over brown.

Gestede scored yesterday for Villa. If he can be a handful in the air then he'll undoubtably get goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on August 09, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.

Cheers baggie38 :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 01:21:28 PM
Don't get my apprehension regards the rondon signing as negativity.

But, look at our prvious record breakers Valero and Brown, great elsewhere average at best with us .

But, if he signs i hope be bangs in dozens and dozens of goals.

I'll be there to welcome him tomorrow night and at watford to see him come off the bench to get the winner.

Valero was played out of position, and Ideye looked quality after January. I hope Brown stays as I think he could have a good season as he seems to have settled now. Not fair to judge a player on his first season, Henry struggled in his first season and look how that one turned out in the end.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 01:29:43 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 01:31:23 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?

No mate someone to partner Saido Berahinio.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2015, 01:53:38 PM
No mate someone to partner Saido Berahinio.

That's just pure guess work.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 02:23:55 PM
No mate someone to partner Saido Berahinio.

Key word being long term.

I cannot see Saido Berahino being here next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 09, 2015, 02:33:41 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?

He (Rondon) isn't quick, though not slow either, and while he is a good finisher he isn't what you'd call a poacher.

His main attribute is his strength. He's a target man. Don't know what he's like in the air but I'd assume he's half decent.

If we're letting Berahino go and getting Rondon in, then it's going be a lot of "HOOF!" this season :-\

As for this:

No mate someone to partner Saido Berahino.

That is how I view the move. The only person that could partner Rondon, other than Saido, would be Ideye, and I think most would say that Ideye shouldn't be a front-line striker for us.

As Foster #1 says, it is guesswork. Berahino might leave, which would not be good. Or Pulis might want to play one up front, and Rondon would do well in that role.

We won't know about Saido until the window shuts, or maybe as soon as tomorrow. We won't know about Rondon until we see him play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 09, 2015, 02:51:29 PM
He is pretty quick, agree about the finishing though although he has improved a lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 03:08:14 PM
That's just pure guess work.

How? That's how things are. The club are yet to receive any bids for berahinio. I very much doubt he will be sold this summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 09, 2015, 03:29:57 PM
How? That's how things are. The club are yet to receive any bids for berahinio. I very much doubt he will be sold this summer.

I agree! What people seem to be suggesting is that we've brought the guy to replace Saido. But we've already stated publicly we've not even had a bid in. So do people really think we've spent £13-15mill on a gamble?

Saido will be here till Jan I think. He might go then, having got 15 games and 8 goals or so.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 09, 2015, 08:38:25 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?
£15m (if it is that, which it probably isn't anywhere near) - Austin is available for that. Another Brown Ideye on our hands if he was that good he wouldn't be coming to us.

Not convinced with this, but hopeful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 08:45:46 PM
£15m (if it is that, which it probably isn't anywhere near) - Austin is available for that. Another Brown Ideye on our hands if he was that good he wouldn't be coming to us.

Not convinced with this, but hopeful.

Is Austin really available for that?

I don't think there is much chance of Austin coming here when you consider he is courted by numerous clubs in this division with resources greater than ours. I would imagine the longer the window drags on a bidding war will commence therefore enhancing the figures somewhat. Hasn't he asked for wages demands north of £60,000 a week?

I know nothing about Salomon Rondon but his record appears very, very good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 09, 2015, 09:00:14 PM
Signing of the summer if we pull it off. Has better than 1 in 2.5 games in la liga and has scored 13 in 22 games in the Europa league. Crazy stats!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 09, 2015, 09:02:09 PM
I see most seem pretty excited by the potential signing of Rondon. I know nothing about him myself. What makes him different to Ideye? They both have very similar experience and almost identical goalscoring records.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 09, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
I see most seem pretty excited by the potential signing of Rondon. I know nothing about him myself. What makes him different to Ideye? They both have very similar experience and almost identical goalscoring records.

Rondon was tearing up la liga when he was there and was probably one of the biggest prospects at the time. Gone to Russia which is a much better standard than Ukraine and has a one in 2 scoring record. Also regularly scoring in Europa and has a one in 3 scoring record at international level. Much better pedigree that ideye. Rondon also is constantly mentioned in the same bracket as bacca, benteke etc in reports of targets for top teams. Miles too good for us and if he plays to his potential then he will be one of the best players had in the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
Will people get this straight that we cannot have Austin for the same price unless Austin wants to join us and we would have phoned his agent to find where we stood along with half of the clubs in the Division therefore I think you know what the answer was to that one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 09:39:40 PM
Brown quality was in abundance at villa park when he missed that sitter that changed the game.

This is wba fc not arsenal record signing have to hit the ground running.

When Henry was bought for for 11m from juve i think he was winger and wenger converted him into striker.

That's totally different from brown's situation.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mikehy on August 09, 2015, 09:40:17 PM
Austin a one.season wonder who I would not touch with a barge pole
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 09, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
Austin a one.season wonder who I would not touch with a barge pole
I agree.  Austin is overrated.  The only team he looked good against was err us!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 10:07:47 PM
Exciting times and a proud day for us all when he is unveiled tomorrow. Looking at striking options, Rondon, Saido, Lambert and one other (brown, victor or a new signing) will give us potentially one of he best strike forces in the league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 09, 2015, 10:34:21 PM
Willie Johnston never hit the ground running. As i recall his first season with us was pretty mediocre. I expect to see an improved Ideye this season providing we keep him.

As for Rondon, he too may take time to adjust,but i for one am excited about this signing.

We have too many fans today who have no patience with players and are quick to jump on their backs, even before they have actually kicked a ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 09, 2015, 10:54:10 PM
Exciting times and a proud day for us all when he is unveiled tomorrow. Looking at striking options, Rondon, Saido, Lambert and one other (brown, victor or a new signing) will give us potentially one of he best strike forces in the league.

Has the potential to be one of the best set of attacking options outside the top 6 defiantly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 09, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
Shirt Number 21

So a Club Legend can be replaced by a new one  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 10:56:04 PM
Good post. This is the hardest league in the world to play in and some take time to settle, others like Odemwingie got a goal in his first game and then hit the ground running.  At least we are filled with optimism, hopefully that will be the case come 1st Sept too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on August 09, 2015, 11:18:15 PM
How? That's how things are. The club are yet to receive any bids for berahinio. I very much doubt he will be sold this summer.
Agree, I don't agree with all this talk of Saido must be on his way out if we're signing this or that player. We all know in order to sell a player we must first have a bid on the table from a club and thus far there have not been any. So even IF the club wanted to sell him to balance the books it's not going to happen if no clubs show interest much less put a bid in and we know when or even if that bid does come if it is not the price JP wants it won't won't be excepted anyway!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 11:24:07 PM
Just hope all the chat and speculation doesn't have a negative impact on him. Hopefully he will be excited by his new strike partner and Lambert may have a word
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 10, 2015, 09:24:18 AM
Is this definitely a done deal? Pulis talking about Saido and Lambert in today's mail, without a single mention for Rondon? In fact there's not a mention anywhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 10, 2015, 09:36:25 AM
Is this definitely a done deal? Pulis talking about Saido and Lambert in today's mail, without a single mention for Rondon? In fact there's not a mention anywhere.

Everyone who I would normally trust with Baggies news says so. Remember that Pulis would be talking about the Man City game and Rondon will obviously not feature regardless so the focus will be on Lambert and Berahino who will.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 10, 2015, 10:01:57 AM
Everyone who I would normally trust with Baggies news says so. Remember that Pulis would be talking about the Man City game and Rondon will obviously not feature regardless so the focus will be on Lambert and Berahino who will.
Nice one, cheers.
Couldn't believe it when I heard on Saturday, thought it was a wind up, this bloke is top notch.
Bit of a risk, as he's never played in the Prem, but he looks made for it! Real coup if we get him in, shame he can't play tonight, might have ruffled their feathers!
Not sure how Lambert will feel though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 10, 2015, 10:02:06 AM
Has more bullsh?? prevailed?

If jp had spent his pr men would be hiring planes with banners to fly around the midlands to spread the news in order to sell last minute seasons tickets and match tickets for the city game and his "half time" welcome.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 10, 2015, 10:40:06 AM
Has more bullsh?? prevailed?

If jp had spent his pr men would be hiring planes with banners to fly around the midlands to spread the news in order to sell last minute seasons tickets and match tickets for the city game and his "half time" welcome.

getting a bit pathetic isn't it  >:(

It will be announced when it is finalised...  or not..

no conspiracy other than in a few deluded peoples heads
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 10, 2015, 10:42:43 AM
The deal is done is pretty much our player. He is a major big player in Venezuela and the club know this. They are waiting for Venezuela to be live to the news.  Announcement may still happen today wehave nothing to fear he is a baggie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 10, 2015, 10:44:36 AM
The deal is done is pretty much our player. He is a major big player in Venezuela and the club know this. They are waiting for Venezuela to be live to the news.  Announcement may still happen today wehave nothing to fear he is a baggie.

I am sure that is the reason...   ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 10, 2015, 10:51:02 AM
I am sure that is the reason...   ???

It actually is that's what I'm told. I'm guessing the club is thinking of publicity overseas shirt sales etc.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on August 10, 2015, 11:07:26 AM
It actually is that's what I'm told. I'm guessing the club is thinking of publicity overseas shirt sales etc.
I'd imagine it's more down the the time difference as opposed to an attempt to gain publicity. We need international clearance which presumably has to be granted by some form of authority in Venezuela. They are 5 hours behind so if you assuming they have normal working hours no one will be at work until about mid afternoon time here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 10, 2015, 11:12:30 AM


Maybe he wan't to tell his Mum first and she is in South America?  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 11:16:22 AM
Must admit I have been refreshing everything every 5 mins as I'm so excited about this potential signing!

From the sounds of the ITK posts it is a done deal and I do trust them, but I will be forever paranoid until I see him holding a shirt on the club website!

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2015, 11:17:36 AM
I wonder if they will announce it on the day of a big home game, it might prove to be a distraction for everyone that may have an adverse effect.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 11:22:29 AM
I wonder if they will announce it on the day of a big home game, it might prove to be a distraction for everyone that may have an adverse effect.

From what people have been saying, he's trained with the first team on Saturday, and I believe Friday too, so the players won't care. And I doubt it will distract the fans - heck, we'll probably be in a better mood because of it!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 11:23:50 AM
I wonder if they will announce it on the day of a big home game, it might prove to be a distraction for everyone that may have an adverse effect.

I tend to take the contrary view, announce this before kick off, get the crowd up and loud?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 10, 2015, 11:26:06 AM
Twitter/Mirror sport reporting he has signed a five year deal on around £50,000 a week and just waiting International clearance to rubber stamp the move.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-manchester-united-6225685

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 10, 2015, 11:29:14 AM
Just to let you all know I've been told that there's a good chance they may introduce him to the crowd tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
Just to let you all know I've been told that there's a good chance they may introduce him to the crows tonight.


i hope they dont stone them :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 10, 2015, 11:31:53 AM
Twitter/Mirror sport reporting he has signed a five year deal on around £50,000 a week and just waiting International clearance to rubber stamp the move.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-manchester-united-6225685
Hoping it will go official, until then there is always a potential snag  :-[
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Savvas78 on August 10, 2015, 11:35:54 AM
Just to let you all know I've been told that there's a good chance they may introduce him to the crows tonight.

A big welcome to the newest recruit of the Night's Watch... Ser Salomon!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 12:00:41 PM
I, like a few others on here, am not exactly familiar with him. It is exciting though judging from his record at Malaga and in Russia and his general playing manner and style. I do really hope though that this doesn't mean reduced game time for Lambert as I think without doubt Lambert is the best natural finisher we have available to us. If Saido does stay, which personally I think he will until at least January, then I would hope that TP will find a way to play Saido just behind a front two of Lambert and Rondon. With two wingers too, I know this will leave us with a very attacking line up so it would need Yacob and Gardner/Morrison to play a very disciplined holding role. I'm a firm believer that the best form of defence is attack so I hope this is the way Pulis goes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charliemike on August 10, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Lambert , rondon and berahino with 2 wingers makes 5 offensive players . 2 in midfield makes 7 . 3 in defence I don't think so .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
I think its a case of Saido plus one of Lambert / Rondon at home

Away from home, any ones guess, likely dependant on oppo.

Vic / Ideye will have to get used to more warming the bench / cup games IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 12:31:26 PM
Lambert , rondon and berahino with 2 wingers makes 5 offensive players . 2 in midfield makes 7 . 3 in defence I don't think so .

Whatever the formation, with Rondon appearing to be and Lambert to a lesser extent both somewhat target men, Berahino would be more effective playing slightly off them. I'd hate to see Lambert missing out because his signing has given me more confidence than any other, including Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: easyrider on August 10, 2015, 12:34:33 PM
competition for places should make it very interesting i think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 10, 2015, 12:34:44 PM
It's done, just be patient. We'll all know by the game tonight so just concentrate on that for a few hours
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 10, 2015, 01:18:38 PM
Fair play to the itk if he signs, but to let a player train with his prospective new club for 2 days whilst waiting for international clearance just sounds wrong.

What if was injured badly, cannot imgaine pulis training methods being a gentle 5 side with him up front like fat ron, and int clearance is not forthcoming whose picking up his wages?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: monkey nuts on August 10, 2015, 01:28:41 PM
wouldn't have been to heavy a session sat and sun with game today anyway mate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on August 10, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
Whatever the formation, with Rondon appearing to be and Lambert to a lesser extent both somewhat target men, Berahino would be more effective playing slightly off them. I'd hate to see Lambert missing out because his signing has given me more confidence than any other, including Rondon.
Agreed well happy with the signing of Lambert a proven premiership player with the right sort of attitude.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on August 10, 2015, 01:39:26 PM
I think its a case of Saido plus one of Lambert / Rondon at home

Away from home, any ones guess, likely dependant on oppo.

Vic / Ideye will have to get used to more warming the bench / cup games IMO.

If Rondon does come in, I think Vic/Ideye will both be lucky to get on the bunch or a game in the cup
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 10, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
If Rondon does come in, I think Vic/Ideye will both be lucky to get on the bunch or a game in the cup
I think Vic's best chance is a loan move, just not sure his style is suited to the Championship physios.  ;)
Feel for Brown, been a consummate professional so would love him to come good, don't think he'll get the chance now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 02:41:32 PM
I think Vic's best chance is a loan move, just not sure his style is suited to the Championship physios.  ;)
Feel for Brown, been a consummate professional so would love him to come good, don't think he'll get the chance now.

True About Ideye, you cannot fault his effort and work rate. I think we should keep him as 4th choice and let Vic go.

He could learn from Lambert and Rondon I'm sure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 02:55:20 PM
True About Ideye, you cannot fault his effort and work rate. I think we should keep him as 4th choice and let Vic go.

He could learn from Lambert and Rondon I'm sure.

Good Call, Ideye can improve,  Can Vic??? I doubt it !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 10, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
I agree that between Ideye and Sick Note, Ideye is the one to keep.  The problem is that I think Anichebe is unsellable whereas Ideye would command a reasonable fee.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
I agree that between Ideye and Sick Note, Ideye is the one to keep.  The problem is that I think Anichebe is unsellable whereas Ideye would command a reasonable fee.

Another good point, Vic could become the new Ishmael Miller
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 10, 2015, 03:23:48 PM
I'd like to see us keep Ideye over Big Vic, as I think he did actually show signs of improvement under Pulis, and with Big Vic's injury problems and the fact he seems to have the heart the size of a pea, I feel Ideye would be worth the place in the squad more. There also something likeable about Ideye, he seems to have a likeable personality and good attitude.

That said, if we have Saido, Rondon and Lambert, one of the above need to be moved on and I think there is more chance of us getting a decent fee for Ideye than Vic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 03:25:10 PM
doesn't bode well for the Nabi's either
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 10, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
Adil Nabi has scored a lot of goals in the U21s but didn't make our bench at end of last season, where Leko and Roberts were preferred. That would suggest there are doubts as to whether he's good enough???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on August 10, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
Have to admit i know nothing about Rondon but those who do seem to like him.

I would think with him being a big powerhouse by all accounts it would be Anichebe on his way as he will replace him for that type of player in the squad.

That said, as much as i like Ideye's effort and likeability, i think as a impact player for the last 30 x minutes (which is where Anichebe / Ideye will be used as 4th choice striker i would think) Anichebe changes games better than Ideye.

I bet both Anichebe and Ideye will be better for doing a Pulis preseason but they probably will not get the chance to show it due to Lambert and Rondon who are improvements, they probably both missed their chance to shine enough last season and Pulis has gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 10, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
Adil Nabi has scored a lot of goals in the U21s but didn't make our bench at end of last season, where Leko and Roberts were preferred. That would suggest there are doubts as to whether he's good enough???
i read somewhere that Pulis believes the old method held players back too long and That they should be introduced earlier.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 10, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
annnd its done.

West Bromwich Albion @WBAFCofficial
NEW SIGNING: Albion confirm the club-record transfer of Venezuela international striker @salorondon23 #WBA #Rondon pic.twitter.com/zxhsuqBlWG
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2015, 04:15:15 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-brom-albion-club-record-venezuela-striker-salomon-rondon-2607821.aspx

WEST Bromwich Albion are delighted to confirm the club-record signing of Venezuela international Salomon Rondon from Zenit St Petersburg.

The 25-year-old striker has been signed on a four-year contract for a fee in the region of £12million.

Rondon arrived at Albion’s training ground late last week and breezed through his medical before becoming the club's fifth signing of the summer.
 
He has had to wait patiently for his international clearance but has finally been given the go-ahead to begin his career in the Barclays Premier League. He will be eligible for his first match at Watford on Saturday.

Rondon said: “I am very happy to be here.
 
"This is a new opportunity in my career. I can’t wait to be with the other players and to play.

"The club showed a lot of interest in me, that’s what is important for a player, what you take into account, and there are expectations of me."

Head Coach Tony Pulis is understandably excited at working with a player he believes has already made his mark – but still has much more to give.

“He’s got a fantastic goalscoring record in some of the top leagues in Europe and for his country,” says Pulis. “He’s 25 years of age and still to fulfil his full potential.

“We hope he hits the ground running of course but understand it might take him time to settle. I’m sure our fans will help him and get behind him.

“But we feel with age on his side and the prices English clubs are asking for their players, it’s a deal worth doing.

“He comes highly recommended. I have spoken to Manuel (Pellegrini) and AVB (Andre Villas-Boas), who have worked with him, and they were full of praise for the lad. We are looking forward to working with him.”

Pulis had already added James McClean, James Chester and Rickie Lambert before completing the season-long loan signing of Serge Gnabry from Arsenal.

But it is the arrival of Rondon, who has frequently been linked with a move to the Premier League, which will get The Hawthorns buzzing and represents a genuine transfer coup for the Baggies.

He has been a forward of growing reputation since his 2010 move to Malaga to begin a two-year spell which saw him impress in the Champions League, scoring 25 goals in 67 appearances.

That triggered a big-money move to Rubin Kazan and another two-year stay (13 goals in 36 appearances) before Zenit, Russia’s biggest club, snapped up his services. His 20 goals in 37 appearances last season kept his profile high.

Now he has the Premier League chance he has been waiting for.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on August 10, 2015, 04:15:28 PM
Boom!! Welcome to the Albion!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
welcome rondon,boingbloodyboing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 04:19:24 PM
So happy about this!! COME ON YOU BAGGIES  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
Welcome

Salomon the black country mon,
Now lives in tipton
He scores goals for fun
he's our Salomon

I'll get me coot
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 10, 2015, 04:21:09 PM
Welcome ronny don  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on August 10, 2015, 04:23:49 PM
Opened a bottle to celebrate. Delighted!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on August 10, 2015, 04:30:48 PM
On the record alone it looks like a superb signing!

Chuffed

We love Rondon, Don. We love Rondon....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 04:31:20 PM
Translated from the Club's Twitter, Rondon has also said:

. @salorondon23: "I feel very happy and proud to belong to this prestigious and historic Club." #WBA #Rondon 1/2

@salorondon23: "I'm here to help the team and I hope that the Club and its fans should feel proud of my work." #WBA #Rondon 2/2
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: orville on August 10, 2015, 04:31:40 PM
YESSSSSSSS welcome to the Baggies Salomon !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 10, 2015, 04:32:14 PM
Fantastic news - this should put us in the top half of the league this season!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 10, 2015, 04:36:52 PM
Oooh i say.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on August 10, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
excellent news

A real top signing for our club.

a few people with egg on their faces now the rumours have turned out to be true

Happy Days
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 10, 2015, 04:38:32 PM
For me this is the biggest signing we have pulled off in a long long time. Proper world class player and I still cant believe we got him but this a proper statement of intent from the club to try to move to the next level!

Well done Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dangerman on August 10, 2015, 04:41:01 PM
Welcome! Really excited about this signing.

Ideally now we need to move on Vic and we have four different options upfront.

If we could add phillips and a proper left back I'd be really happy with this summer's business.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on August 10, 2015, 04:42:11 PM
Now we have to go all out to support him, us the fans, and his team mates. Just give him the bloody ball where it matters! Fantastic signing, very well done toe everybody involved.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: nick_wba on August 10, 2015, 04:43:08 PM
In the 24 years I've been alive, this is by far the biggest signing we've made.

I agree with the previous poster who said this guy will be a household name nationwide in years to come. We will get upwards of 30/35mil from a top 4 club for this guy in 2 years time, that I have no doubt.

Just wow. You have to give all those involved a big pat on the back for pulling this one off!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2015, 04:43:45 PM
Fantastically well done to all at the club for pulling this deal off. Hopefully Salo will settle in well (at least cold weather shouldn't be much of an issue for him, given that he's been playing in Russia!) and will get the service he needs to score plenty of goals for us too. It's unusual for the club to reveal the transfer fee, so I suspect there aren't too many conditional clauses in the deal.

Many thanks too to the ITK posters who, despite some nay-sayers, kept us accurately informed about this deal once it became apparent that something was happening.

It's going to be fascinating to see Salo in action. If he does too well for us, of course, he'll most likely be gone elsewhere at the end of the season!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 04:45:27 PM
114 goals in 289 club appearances, including 19 in European competitions (20 in 44 apps last season). Very good and consistent record.

13 in 41 for his country

Won russian premier league and russian cup.

According to Wikipedia
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 10, 2015, 04:46:27 PM
This is the sort of signing that should excite us all. A very definite statement of ambition from the club. Very pleased with this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AidantheBaggies on August 10, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
Lets see if he can make it a PL Level first.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on August 10, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
Lets see if he can make it a PL Level first.

Oops, there goes the urine, all over the chips.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
This is the sort of signing that should excite us all. A very definite statement of ambition from the club. Very pleased with this.

Yes indeed. Big well done to JP and TP with all four of the four signings in the last couple of weeks. Everything could have so easily fallen flat after the proposed takeover fell through but bringing in Lambert, Chester, Gnabry and now Rondon since then has been amazing, I think fair to say beyond what we could have wished for. Lets hope they all settle in well and gel early on, then we could be in for quite an exciting season!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 10, 2015, 04:58:47 PM
What a great signing, looking forward to see he scores 10+ goals for us this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 10, 2015, 04:59:40 PM
Surprised and delighted with this in equal measure. Obviously we don't know how he will get on in England but the guy has a strong track record. Russia is not an easy place to for him to play so I guess there is a bit of mental toughness there. One thing for sure that won't bother him in the slightest is the supposed physicality of the Premier League.

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on August 10, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
Must say on the face of it this looks a great bit of business, the latest of several this summer.

We've come a long way since we started the season relying on Anelka and ended up praying for a miracle from Thievy.

Well done to the club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2015, 05:10:43 PM
I'll reserve judgement as I know very little of him. However his pedigree is excellent so fair play to the club for pushing the boat out. Contrary to peoples belief there is a 'next level' for us if we show this kind of ambition.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 10, 2015, 05:18:08 PM
Very happy. Thanks to our ITK posters who take a lot of stick from certain posters, the vast majority of us trust what you say and appreciate you keeping us in the loop
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 10, 2015, 05:28:41 PM
Like some on here, when I first saw the name I though "who????" But given that the thread went to several pages in a matter of hours I knew that my fellow Baggies were excited and therefore we had the potential of landing a very special signing!

And now we have, great work by the club and cudos to the ITK posters for keeping us informed and Vanderleis Dad for checking with Yacob  8)

Roll him out tonight just before KO and raise the roof  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 10, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMDoUqeUwAA_eTD.jpg)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 10, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Very excited by this signing! Hope people will be patient with the lad though as it can be hard to adjust. BOING BOING
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 10, 2015, 05:35:30 PM
Absolutely ridiculous signing, if he plays to his potential we will have one of the best strikers in the league!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GrGr on August 10, 2015, 05:37:19 PM
Excellent! Rondon and Gnabry add much needed talent to our squad. Now for a creative CM : ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 10, 2015, 05:39:04 PM
Nothing to add, except

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 10, 2015, 05:40:21 PM
Lets see if he can make it a PL Level first.

World Class players have come to this league and failed.

It's great to see the club being so proactive in addressing the need for genuine quality to be added to the squad. To improve the squad is necessary to make progress and Chester and Rondon are two proven players. The latter is a risk but one with a fantastic resume.

Irrespective of how he turns out, a la Ideye, its refreshing to see the club breaking transfer records and showing ambition financially.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 10, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
Could really be a landmark signing for us....very exciting option!
Providing it doesn't mean Saido departing, well done Albion!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 10, 2015, 05:42:31 PM
This is a truly exceptional signing, it really is. Never in a million years would I expect us to sign him. He's basically Zenit's best player behind Hulk which shows his quality.

I can't wait to see him play for us. Also he's only 25 so got plenty time to really establish himself and maybe make a big profit on him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 10, 2015, 06:00:44 PM
It will be easier to call him José as he answers to either Jose or Salomon

Yacob could help him with the language
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on August 10, 2015, 06:10:01 PM
Welcome to the Albion Salomon :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 10, 2015, 06:11:03 PM
Told you so gents  :D

Glad it's done as I knew it would be.

Boing Boing  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on August 10, 2015, 06:17:15 PM
Very exciting signing. We now have arguably the best strike force of any of the mid table clubs with the third highest English top flight scorer last season (Berahino), the top scorer in the Russian league last year (Rondon), an England international striker (Lambert), an £9 million Nigerian international (Ideye) and a proven impact sub in Anichebe.

Ill take that over any club outside of the Champions League chasers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on August 10, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
Really chuffed with this signing.  We need someone like this up front and he seems a class act.


Welcome to The Hawthorms Rondon.  Hopefully our new hero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on August 10, 2015, 06:42:49 PM
May I add, stunning price, not even the £15M which would have been a bargain
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 10, 2015, 06:46:07 PM
May I add, stunning price, not even the £15M which would have been a bargain

Especially when the likes of Jordan Rhodes are quoted for the same price.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Savvas78 on August 10, 2015, 07:05:56 PM
Welcome to the Baggies, big man!

I've only seen the guy play on Sky Sports during his time at Malaga, and he is quality.

Can't wait to see him unleashed!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on August 10, 2015, 07:15:37 PM
Compare this to signing Connor Wickham for £9 million and we really have made a brilliant signing here. Yes he might take a while to adapt but in terms of getting value for money I don't think we could have hoped for any better.

After missing out on Ba and Gignac previously in the window this really makes up for it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 10, 2015, 07:35:40 PM
I'm over the moon with this signing.....hats off to all involved! Now let's see what you can do ⚽😆
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 10, 2015, 08:11:47 PM
well, you guys have added at least one new fan with this addition.

HELLO.

Venezuelan 29-year old living in the US and avid football fan. Obviously I've been following Rondon closely since he broke out in the late 2000's. As most of you already know he had a strong season with Zenit last year but new rules in that league made him the odd man out making him good deal for a team like West Brom.

You're getting a true #9 in Rondon, goal-scorer, always finding his way to the ball in the box. Not a dribbler/creator as someone(s) already pointed out. In my opinion a perfect fit for PL play and it shouldn't take him long to adapt at all. I'm trying to learn more about your squad in a hurry but to me he's best suited for a partner up front than being a lone striker. I see you're running some form of 4-4-2 today. I think he could play alongside either Lambert or Berahino and I'm intrigued as to how Pulis will tweak the lineup with his arrival
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2015, 08:23:02 PM
Just after 5:00am here got up to tune into the match and  although still bleary eyed am over the moon with the signing of Random.

Welcome to our club Salamon and well done to JP and TP.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on August 10, 2015, 09:12:36 PM
https://instagram.com/p/6NuJrSBwog/ (https://instagram.com/p/6NuJrSBwog/)

Great stuff!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
well, you guys have added at least one new fan with this addition.

HELLO.

Venezuelan 29-year old living in the US and avid football fan. Obviously I've been following Rondon closely since he broke out in the late 2000's. As most of you already know he had a strong season with Zenit last year but new rules in that league made him the odd man out making him good deal for a team like West Brom.

You're getting a true #9 in Rondon, goal-scorer, always finding his way to the ball in the box. Not a dribbler/creator as someone(s) already pointed out. In my opinion a perfect fit for PL play and it shouldn't take him long to adapt at all. I'm trying to learn more about your squad in a hurry but to me he's best suited for a partner up front than being a lone striker. I see you're running some form of 4-4-2 today. I think he could play alongside either Lambert or Berahino and I'm intrigued as to how Pulis will tweak the lineup with his arrival

Hi, welcome to the forum and thanks for your post.

I watched Rondon play for Malaga a few times (on TV) and was always impressed with him so looking forward to seeing what he can do for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 10, 2015, 10:54:00 PM
Can't wait to see what Rondon can bring to our team!
Welcome to our club!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 11:16:31 PM
well, you guys have added at least one new fan with this addition.

HELLO.

Venezuelan 29-year old living in the US and avid football fan. Obviously I've been following Rondon closely since he broke out in the late 2000's. As most of you already know he had a strong season with Zenit last year but new rules in that league made him the odd man out making him good deal for a team like West Brom.

You're getting a true #9 in Rondon, goal-scorer, always finding his way to the ball in the box. Not a dribbler/creator as someone(s) already pointed out. In my opinion a perfect fit for PL play and it shouldn't take him long to adapt at all. I'm trying to learn more about your squad in a hurry but to me he's best suited for a partner up front than being a lone striker. I see you're running some form of 4-4-2 today. I think he could play alongside either Lambert or Berahino and I'm intrigued as to how Pulis will tweak the lineup with his arrival

Hi, welcome to the forum. My neighbours are Venezuelan so

I'm glad you think Rondon can partner either Lambert or Berahino, that gives us flexibility with our forward options. Hopefully he can use his strength to good effect.

What's he like bringing others into play? And does he need quality service or can he create goals out of nothing?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 11, 2015, 12:24:41 AM
Hi, welcome to the forum. My neighbours are Venezuelan so

I'm glad you think Rondon can partner either Lambert or Berahino, that gives us flexibility with our forward options. Hopefully he can use his strength to good effect.

What's he like bringing others into play? And does he need quality service or can he create goals out of nothing?

Thank you.

He's not selfish with the ball if that's what you mean, not the type of scorer who's obsessed with getting his numbers and definitely a team player. If he feels someone else has a better chance to score he'll definitely give it up as he seems to understand this may also result in a better scoring chance for him. He's a solid passer for someone at his position. I know you may not want to read this but he's definitely closer to being someone who is more successful from quality service. He can create on his own but I'd rate him above-average at his very best when it comes to that. Not the kind of #9 who will receive the ball with his back to the goal and turn around and make something out of nothing but definitely someone who knows his way inside the box and knows how to put himself in position to score. Find him and he will score. The freshest example out there is his goal against Colombia in Copa America, the ball got to him without much force but he was able to head it in with strength AND location. He also has a legit leg that can shoot it from outside the box (though no your free-kicker kind of lad).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 12:35:47 AM
Hmm ok thanks. I'd noticed he likes to shoot with power in a lot of the highlights I've seen of him.

I guess I was talking more about his build up play. What's he like outside of the box? Will he hold the ball up to allow midfielders to get close to him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 11, 2015, 01:11:11 AM
Hmm ok thanks. I'd noticed he likes to shoot with power in a lot of the highlights I've seen of him.

I guess I was talking more about his build up play. What's he like outside of the box? Will he hold the ball up to allow midfielders to get close to him?

Yes, more often than not from what I've seen. As I said, team player, understands the game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 11, 2015, 01:32:35 AM
Did they say what shirt number he will have?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 11, 2015, 01:39:41 AM
let's hope he's better than ideye, who we all got excited about this time last year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bakebaggie on August 11, 2015, 02:11:22 AM
Did they say what shirt number he will have?
I believe I read 21
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 02:42:04 AM
let's hope he's better than ideye, who we all got excited about this time last year.
this guys in a different league
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 11, 2015, 06:01:41 AM
Without an effective midfield to provide the ammo can we really expect a lot from him? Time will tell but yesterday was not promising. In my opinion we need aggression, creativity and some pace in the middle and hope TP is looking to boost in this area to support the strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 11, 2015, 07:35:55 AM
Welcome to the club Salomon.

Looks an absolute unit when he came on the pitch before the game.

Excited to see him and Gnabry in action.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on August 11, 2015, 07:55:37 AM
Welcome to the club Salomon.

Looks an absolute unit when he came on the pitch before the game.

Excited to see him and Gnabry in action.

We're bloody desperate to see them after last nights showing!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 08:02:46 AM
quick change your mind Solomon :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: brummyroader on August 11, 2015, 11:49:26 AM
Anyone know what number he's taken can't see it anywhere?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 11:50:21 AM
Anyone know what number he's taken can't see it anywhere?

On the previous page someone mentioned 21, but I haven't seen anything for definite
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 11, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
great article here on how we signed him...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/11/how-west-brom-secured-salomon-rondon-thanks-to-vladimir-putins-protectionism
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 11, 2015, 04:11:59 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 04:15:01 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.
we have got a good midfield  sessegnon behind the striker and mcmanaman is a big part of that,but pulis doesnt seem to rate either of them
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GrGr on August 11, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.

Pulis is his own worst enemy at times. The challenge for him this season is to grow and get rid of some of his hobby horses.

With firepower like Berahino and hopefully Rondon (and Lambert) this team needs to find a way to support them. A flat midfield four lacking creativity feels pretty pointless from that perspective. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 04:27:56 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.


agreed the supply chain needs to be of some standard.Interesting to see how Berahino would fair in a better team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 11, 2015, 04:55:39 PM
This guy is going to be very good he is a double digit scorer in every league he has played.Cant wait this one is special he cant be too unfit he did score on Columbia in Copa last month.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 05:38:36 PM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 11, 2015, 05:46:02 PM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before

He needs some of Irvine's top up sessions.  8)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 11, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before

Christ, under Big Vic's influence already
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: JoseVen on August 11, 2015, 07:06:40 PM

Utilice bastante Google Translator para leerlos jejeje, espero lo utilicen ustedes ahora.

Para empezar los veo bastante contentos con la llegada de Salomón y no es para menos, muchos venezolanos veíamos a Salomón fichando por un equipo grande o de media tabla que luchara como mínimo por Europa League.

Pero a los jugadores venezolanos los siguen viendo desde el pasaporte, Enner Valencia de su país pasó a México donde hizo 8 goles y de ahí al West Ham, Salomón para llegar a West Brom hizo goles en la 2da de España, en la 1ra De España, en el Rubin Kazan, en el Zenit, en Europa League, en Champions League y nos ponemos felices por llegar a los Albions.

Eso es así.

Pero es un jugador que les rendirá mucho. Es un gran definidor, retiene el balón, tiene fortaleza física, abre espacios, irá bien por arriba y por bajo.

Si le lanzan balones perfecto, sino como única punta y a balonazos se las arreglará, esta hecho para eso.

Lastima Pulis sea un poco conservador.

Igual les digo: Venezuela entera esta delirando con este paso de Salomon y los veremos todos los fines de semana.

Vamos Albions...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 11, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
Use enough Google Translator to read lol, I hope you use now.

For starters I see quite happy with the arrival of Solomon is no wonder, many Venezuelans saw Solomon signed for a large or mid-table team that fought Europa League at least.

But Venezuelans follow players watching from the passport of their country Enner Valencia went to Mexico where he made 8 goals and then to West Ham, Solomon to reach West Brom made goals in the 2nd of Spain, in the 1st From Spain , Rubin Kazan, Zenit, Europe League, Champions League and we get happy Albions reach.

That's how it is.

But he is a player that will yield them a lot. It is a great finisher, holds the ball, have physical strength, open spaces, go well above and under.

If we throw perfect balls, but as single point and balonazos will manage, they are made for that.

Pulis hurts a little conservative.

Like I say, this whole Venezuela delirious with this step of Salomon and see all weekends.

Let Albions ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 11, 2015, 07:31:57 PM
Pulis hurts a little conservative.

He's got Jeffrey Archer chained up in a dungeon?  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 12, 2015, 05:55:03 AM

BEHIND-THE-SCENES GALLERY: Rondon's arrival at WBA

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/gallery-pictures-salomon-rondon-west-brom-albion-venezuela-2611030.aspx
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 12, 2015, 06:49:54 AM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before

I wondered how long we would have to wait before we heard that little gem
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 12, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Venezuela flags for his first home game to welcome him?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2015, 08:14:09 AM
Venezuela flags for his first home game to welcome him?!


i smell an end of season theme :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 09:22:31 AM
this guys in a different league

Based on what?
Before joining us Ideye had a goal to games ratio of 2.3. Rondon's is 2.5 so Ideye would appear to be the (slightly) better striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 12, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
Must say I am very eager to see how this guy gets on, the sounds are all positive and I am really looking forward to seeing him in action.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 12, 2015, 09:45:27 AM

i smell an end of season theme :)
Have to have all our players' nations flags.
Yacob, Brunt, Morrison are all different.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on August 12, 2015, 09:49:50 AM
I think that we just need to manage our expectations here. Like everyone else I hope and anticipate that he will fit into the side and terrorise defences. Liverpool were seriously looking at this guy before opting for benteke. But it is going to take time for him to adjust to the PL and it may be that he doesn't hit the ground running. He is clearly well thought of and we appear to have made a star signing, but I remember our enthusiasm when we signed Bobby last year.
I have no doubt he will do well for us, but to score you need the service and we are not good at that to be honest.
A lot of pressure is on the lad and I really hope he starts banging them in for fun, but don't be surprised if he doesn't.
Venezuelan flags would be a great idea!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 12:22:52 PM
Based on what?
Before joining us Ideye had a goal to games ratio of 2.3. Rondon's is 2.5 so Ideye would appear to be the (slightly) better striker.

I'd say La Liga (Malaga) is a higher standard than Ligue 1 (Sochaux-Montbeliard), and the Russian League is better quality than the Ukranian league.

This is a player who, when he was 20 (2010/11) scored against Sevilla, Villareal, Atletico Madrid and two against Valencia. Those are a some good quality teams. The year after he scored against Barcelona in two different matches.

For the sake of fairness, I looked at the 2010/11 season for Brown Ideye, and he scored against the likes of PSG, Lyon and Marseille. So what do I know!

I can understand people's scepticism, especially if you've never heard of the bloke before. On the flip side, I hope those who are expecting great things from him give him enough time to bed in and settle at the club, and don't get annoyed if he doesn't score on his debut.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
I'd say La Liga (Malaga) is a higher standard than Ligue 1 (Sochaux-Montbeliard), and the Russian League is better quality than the Ukranian league.

This is a player who, when he was 20 (2010/11) scored against Sevilla, Villareal, Atletico Madrid and two against Valencia. Those are a some good quality teams. The year after he scored against Barcelona in two different matches.

For the sake of fairness, I looked at the 2010/11 season for Brown Ideye, and he scored against the likes of PSG, Lyon and Marseille. So what do I know!

I can understand people's scepticism, especially if you've never heard of the bloke before. On the flip side, I hope those who are expecting great things from him give him enough time to bed in and settle at the club, and don't get annoyed if he doesn't score on his debut.

 I hate doing this, because video compilations are sooooo rubbish, but here goes,
Based on what I have seen in videos he's an in the box poacher type, not a back to goal, spin and run man (like Vic) which will mean we need to be getting balls in into the box, in front of him, to date we have failed to do that for Ideye.
Hopefully the addition of McClean / McManaman and Gnabry will change this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 12:47:25 PM
I hate doing this, because video compilations are sooooo rubbish, but here goes,
Based on what I have seen in videos he's an in the box poacher type, not a back to goal, spin and run man (like Vic) which will mean we need to be getting balls in into the box, in front of him, to date we have failed to do that for Ideye.
Hopefully the addition of McClean / McManaman and Gnabry will change this.

Based purely on the Man City game, Lambert looks a very good player with the ball at his feet, so I wouldn't have any problems with Rondon in as a No.9 and Lambert as a no. 10!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 01:17:52 PM
I'd say La Liga (Malaga) is a higher standard than Ligue 1 (Sochaux-Montbeliard), and the Russian League is better quality than the Ukranian league.

This is a player who, when he was 20 (2010/11) scored against Sevilla, Villareal, Atletico Madrid and two against Valencia. Those are a some good quality teams. The year after he scored against Barcelona in two different matches.

For the sake of fairness, I looked at the 2010/11 season for Brown Ideye, and he scored against the likes of PSG, Lyon and Marseille. So what do I know!

I can understand people's scepticism, especially if you've never heard of the bloke before. On the flip side, I hope those who are expecting great things from him give him enough time to bed in and settle at the club, and don't get annoyed if he doesn't score on his debut.

To be honest I'd never heard of Odemwingie, so I'm hoping that given time Rondon will be another  gem!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mini gaardsoe on August 12, 2015, 01:39:13 PM
Will wear no.33
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 12, 2015, 02:03:42 PM
People are comparing Rondon and Ideye. I'm guessing when fit, Rondon will start most games. If Ideye had started most games what would his goal return had been? Probably pretty good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
People are comparing Rondon and Ideye. I'm guessing when fit, Rondon will start most games. If Ideye had started most games what would his goal return had been? Probably pretty good.
I think both Ideye and Rondon are the kind of players who are reliant on the service they're provided with. Our largely negative tactics last year meant that Ideye rarely got the kind of service he needs. Whether Rondon will be better blessed this season remains to be seen. Sadly, Pulis's latest comments suggest that Ideye won't be around to also benefit from this (should it improve).

Although they mean little, I still maintain that Ideye looks better in his Youtube compilation clips than Rondon does in his. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Ideye is a fine player whom we've been unable to play to the strengths of, a la Valero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2015, 02:34:39 PM
I think both Ideye and Rondon are the kind of players who are reliant on the service they're provided with. Our largely negative tactics last year meant that Ideye rarely got the kind of service he needs. Whether Rondon will be better blessed this season remains to be seen. Sadly, Pulis's latest comments suggest that Ideye won't be around to also benefit from this (should it improve).

Although they mean little, I still maintain that Ideye looks better in his Youtube compilation clips than Rondon does in his. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Ideye is a fine player whom we've been unable to play to the strengths of, a la Valero.

I agree about Ideye, I can't substantiate this, but I reckon his goals/mins played ratio last season was actually decent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 02:59:37 PM
I agree about Ideye, I can't substantiate this, but I reckon his goals/mins played ratio last season was actually decent.

Using transfermarkt for their stats, Ideye scored 4 goals in the league in 1300 minutes, which is about 1 goal every 325 minutes, which is 3.6 games. By way of a comparison, Berahino got a goal every 208 minutes, which is every 2.3 games. Anichebe got a goal every 345 minutes, which is 3.8 games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2015, 03:03:33 PM
Using transfermarkt for their stats, Ideye scored 4 goals in the league in 1300 minutes, which is about 1 goal every 325 minutes, which is 3.6 games. By way of a comparison, Berahino got a goal every 208 minutes, which is every 2.3 games. Anichebe got a goal every 345 minutes, which is 3.8 games.

thanks for that,

So playing sporadically in a style un-suited to him, its not too bad really.
Not good, but not too bad.
I would like us to keep him as a squad player and lose Vic TBH, I think Vic's demeanor and susceptibility to "injuries" must be poor for morale overall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
thanks for that,

So playing sporadically in a style un-suited to him, its not too bad really.
Not good, but not too bad.
I would like us to keep him as a squad player and lose Vic TBH, I think Vic's demeanor and susceptibility to "injuries" must be poor for morale overall.

Couldn't agree more, would much rather keep Ideye than Anichebe, that way we'd have 2 big and 2 smaller players to mix and match.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 03:12:55 PM
Couldn't agree more, would much rather keep Ideye than Anichebe, that way we'd have 2 big and 2 smaller players to mix and match.

Completely agree. Vic is more 'surplus' than Ideye is. If we lost Berahino to injury, then Ideye would be a more natural replacement to keep the team balanced.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2015, 03:34:04 PM
Tim Vickery south american sports reporter given his thumbs up on the deal
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 12, 2015, 04:09:49 PM
Tim Vickery south american sports reporter given his thumbs up on the deal
Isn't that the guy who said that Yacob wouldn't make it here?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 12, 2015, 06:53:08 PM
Isn't that the guy who said that Yacob wouldn't make it here?

Yeah it is. He's guessing as much as us. He's only the South American football expert. Rondon has been playing in Russia. He'll have only seen him in a handful of international appearances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on August 13, 2015, 08:04:33 PM
From the Venezuelan paper "El Universal" (curtesy of Google Translate)

http://www.eluniversal.com/opinion/150813/lord-salomon-rondon

Lord Salomon Rondon

Each goal from Salomon Rondon multiply its echo. Make no mistake: the arrival in England may be extraordinary for Catia born striker.

Some pouting with moving Rondon, because the front left Caracas Zenit St Petersburg, Russian champion and a regular competitor in the European Champions League, to join the West Bromwich Albion, a team with a long history (137 years), but today is much more concerned to avoid relegation to English football than seeking quotas in international tournaments. However, staying in this simple contrast is shortsighted. You will play in the Premier League, the most watched league in the world, a goal that was made public on several occasions, the player himself. Why not see the West Brom as a definitive springboard for him?

The Venezuelan, 25 years old, seems to be at the gates of his fullness as a player and it's time to see how far they can go. Where can you have greater long-term significance? In England or Russia? The answer is obvious. The Premier League has a global audience, according to the BBC, higher than the Spanish league, with all the might of Barcelona and Real Madrid, the Italian Serie A and German Bundesliga together. Their income, according to annual reports by consultancy Deloitte, doubling and tripling the other major European championships.

Let's face it: watch a game of the Russian Premier League obliged, at least from this side of the planet, looking for the green signal paths on the web by streamming and endure horrific incomprehensible transmissions speakers. Rondon enjoyed the moment of maximum exposure Zenit in the Champions League, but also spent long months away from the main centers of international football. Not so with West Brom. A goal in a match against clubs like Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool have an exponentially greater than any we have done in Russia resonance. No longer you have the Champions League, but the Premiership is a growth opportunity.

Russia also threatened to become a golden cage. The economic strength exhibited by large Russian clubs, including Zenit is, turns them into buyers, not sellers, and this hindered any transfer. The European press published notes on the interest from teams like Sevilla have Rondón, but the price of the transfer backed down. The whole of St. Petersburg paid 18 million euros for his transfer from Rubin Kazan and claimed that those reports sought to sell it for more.

Circumstances changed the landscape and dismantled the shielding on the Venezuelan. A new regulation in Russia, which limits the maximum six foreigners can align each team in each match, Rondon had claimed a victim. Missing from the starting XI André Villas-Boas at Zenit, the output was inevitable and the price happened to be negotiable. It appeared the West Bromwich, tabled 12 million pounds (17 million euros) and took him.

Nor it was cheaper, despite the change in circumstances. It is the most expensive signing you paid West Bromwich and this leads to an extra point analysis: Rondón is no one else.

A Rondon will give you command on the computer, because nobody does a record signing for him on the bench. Now up to him to answer. Since arriving in Europe in 2008, the former Aragua FC has scored 91 goals in 234 appearances commitments to UD Las Palmas, Malaga, Rubin Kazan and Zenit, adding all competitions. If you keep these figures, the experience at West Bromwich can be the final push it needs to assume ever greater challenges.

We will not see a James Rodriguez, a Luis Suarez Arturo Vidal or a Venezuelan passport by spontaneous generation, from one day to another, playing for Real Madrid in Barcelona or Juventus. Here it is evolving and the Premier League is an evolutionary leap for Salomon Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 13, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
thanks for that,

So playing sporadically in a style un-suited to him, its not too bad really.
Not good, but not too bad.
I would like us to keep him as a squad player and lose Vic TBH, I think Vic's demeanor and susceptibility to "injuries" must be poor for morale overall.
Exactly Vic will never make it at this level.Mate of mine a Toffee he said Irvine and Vic are no good as Manager/Head Coach and player in the Prem.He was glad to see the back of Vic.Sorry but that is what he said.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 14, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
Can't wait to see Ronny steaming through premier league defences. What a great signing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 14, 2015, 10:45:00 PM
Rondon may not have international clearance from Russian FA in time for tomorrow. Shame if he doesn't get it, would have liked to see him come of the bench at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/11804465/Stoke-and-West-Broms-club-record-signings-set-to-be-denied-their-debuts-because-of-administrative-hitches.html
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 14, 2015, 11:10:28 PM
Rondon may not have international clearance from Russian FA in time for tomorrow. Shame if he doesn't get it, would have liked to see him come of the bench at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/11804465/Stoke-and-West-Broms-club-record-signings-set-to-be-denied-their-debuts-because-of-administrative-hitches.html

so absurd  :'(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Sessegod on August 15, 2015, 09:43:39 AM
Rondon may not have international clearance from Russian FA in time for tomorrow. Shame if he doesn't get it, would have liked to see him come of the bench at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/11804465/Stoke-and-West-Broms-club-record-signings-set-to-be-denied-their-debuts-because-of-administrative-hitches.html

BBC say he needs a late fitness test, nothing about international clearance
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 10:04:31 AM
We can't do anything about it from our side but its a joke if the Russian FA have not signed the necessary paperwork for a deal that was completed on Monday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 15, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
We can't do anything about it from our side but its a joke if the Russian FA have not signed the necessary paperwork for a deal that was completed on Monday.

Yeah cheers Russia. Bet this wouldn't happen to bigger sides around the world. Bit of a joke when he's our record signing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 15, 2015, 12:42:53 PM
West Bromwich Albion @WBAFCofficial
Great news Baggies fans, @salorondon23 international clearance has been confirmed today and he is available for selection at Watford #WBA

Hype!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 15, 2015, 12:53:14 PM
Great news, thanks for the update addy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on August 15, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
I would have been crafty and not confirmed the clearance until they handed in the team sheet  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 16, 2015, 12:27:16 PM
If I wanted to be very harsh, I'd say he should have squared the ball to Lambert when he fired over. Behrami had dropped a couple of yards so Lambery would have had time to take a touch and finish. Looked good though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
If I wanted to be very harsh, I'd say he should have squared the ball to Lambert when he fired over. Behrami had dropped a couple of yards so Lambery would have had time to take a touch and finish. Looked good though.

Lambert or indeed anyone else took so long to get any where near him I wouldn't have passed either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 16, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
Lambert or indeed anyone else took so long to get any where near him I wouldn't have passed either.

You'd hope our record signing isn't that petty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2015, 06:22:31 PM
I like the look of him - bullied Zouma today I thought. He seems to be a striker that likes playing into feet rather someone who runs behind. He does look like someone who would be suited to playing with a partner, a partner who can run behind opposition back fours - unfortunately, the one player we have capable of that we're about to sell.

Great assist for him too  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 23, 2015, 06:32:10 PM
I like the look of him - bullied Zouma today I thought. He seems to be a striker that likes playing into feet rather someone who runs behind. He does look like someone who would be suited to playing with a partner, a partner who can run behind opposition back fours - unfortunately, the one player we have capable of that we're about to sell.

Great assist for him too  :D

Loved the assist!

Managed to get JT sent off by running in behind - no express pace but he's so strong he can hold off defenders. A shame we didn't create any proper chances for him though.

I think the longer he stays in the team, the better really. Looked a handful against three very good centre halves.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 23, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
Loved his gutsy performance for us today! Caused all sorts of problems for Chelsea to deal with and looks strong, I think this chap has the potential to work in the prem for us! Let's hope he gets better👍🏻
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2015, 06:46:35 PM
Rondon (and Shaquiri of Stoke) labelled world class by a talksh**e reporter earlier.

He looks the part to me. Wish he could have taken and scored the penalty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 23, 2015, 06:51:45 PM
Considering there were questions raised about his match fitness when he signed, he covered a lot of ground today. He was back defending every corner and got back up front quickly also. Think he's the type who's quicker than he looks and certainly a whole lot more mobile than Vic and Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2015, 06:55:42 PM
Looked a very exciting prospect today - worth the admission money alone to see him do Terry and get his long awaited and deserved sending off against us.

Not sure if he will be able to get the 'Saido' goal quota we need so will require and quick nippy 'No. 10' to play off him and share the goal burden.

Can't see him and any of our strikers, apart from Saido, working as a partnership.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 23, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
He works very hard, keep chasing all the time and he has made Terry sent off :P

I couldn't ask for more, as today is his first time to start.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 23, 2015, 07:05:20 PM
And he got himself an assist on home debut, via a bicycle kick!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GrGr on August 23, 2015, 07:12:10 PM
Looked a very exciting prospect today - worth the admission money alone to see him do Terry and get his long awaited and deserved sending off against us.

Not sure if he will be able to get the 'Saido' goal quota we need so will require and quick nippy 'No. 10' to play off him and share the goal burden.

Can't see him and any of our strikers, apart from Saido, working as a partnership.

You mean a nippy goal scorer like Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 23, 2015, 08:23:40 PM
Very impressive performance from him. I don't know if he'll be given another chance but does no one else think Ideye with his movement would make a good strike partner for him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2015, 08:28:48 PM
I don't know if he'll be given another chance but does no one else think Ideye with his movement would make a good strike partner for him?
I think that's not a bad shout at all, but we're obviously intent on shipping out Ideye sadly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
You mean a nippy goal scorer like Saido.

Exactly !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 23, 2015, 08:42:03 PM
Thought he looked the part today, long may it continue.
I did notice once or twice he was at loggerheads with Pulis. Pulis was waving him forward when we didn't have the ball and he was sort of intimating that he wanted to get back into midfield to look for it, Pulis kept sending him away.
Seems like a very willing worker. I like the look of him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 23, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
This is our Costa. Play him as the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 get the 3 behind him up and around the opposition area and they will score even if he doesn't. Don't think in terms of strike partnerships that is a virtually dead concept
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 23, 2015, 11:03:24 PM
Thought we looked a much more balanced side with him up top.

Somebody powerful coming through midfield t support him (Phillips from QPR) would be ideal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 24, 2015, 08:02:16 AM
Looked a right handful throughout, and will cause defenders more than enough problems.

I felt he gave Zouma a real tough time yesterday, so fingers crossed he continues in the same way, and can look to get off the mark as soon as.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 08:03:10 AM
feed the ron and he will score
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ranvir wba90 on August 24, 2015, 08:43:50 AM
was really impressed with him never stopped running. Better service in the final third and he can get 10 plus goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on August 24, 2015, 08:51:26 AM
Thought we looked a much more balanced side with him up top.

Somebody powerful coming through midfield t support him (Phillips from QPR) would be ideal.

Agree entirely Rondon up top with Matt Phillips as a no 10 would be a great combination. Sign him up TP
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on August 24, 2015, 09:58:20 AM
feed the ron and he will score

Feed him in the "right area" to please i/e in there half.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Good quality player from the looks of it. Big & strong going to be a handful for some defenders.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 24, 2015, 10:35:21 AM
Good quality player from the looks of it. Big & strong going to be a handful for some defenders.

Yes, he looks a handful and just as importantly in a Tony Pulis side, I think he is the type of player to win us a lot of 'clever' free kicks, something which Alan Shearer was the master of during his career.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: JoseVen on August 24, 2015, 02:16:20 PM

Salomon excellent match, winning over almost everything, shows faults, pivots, you just need to put good balls, their midfielders are terrible.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Played very well I thought, shows good potential. I was watching him off the ball and he was making space and asking for the ball on countless occasions. I hope he plays tomorrow night as a few goals will do him the world of good...... think we got ourselves a good 'un there...thanks Vladimir!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2015, 02:38:41 PM
good performance, first time i have Zouma struggle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on August 26, 2015, 06:40:09 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM
you sound surprised glyn!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on August 26, 2015, 06:51:44 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM

Why! Give the guy a chance! Recently moved to this country and needs time to settle!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 26, 2015, 06:55:39 PM
did he take one of the pens last night.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 26, 2015, 06:57:46 PM
He got into a lot of good positions last night. Just needed to take one of them. Definitely not going to be a flop, looks quality imo
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 26, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
did he take one of the pens last night.

No, but neither did Dawson, who took them for England U21s.

He probably had our best chances (Long range pot shots not withstanding), and I still don't know how he didn't put his header in.

I was encouraged by his work rate and movement - just a shame his left foot isn't up to much, but at least he isn't afriad to use it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on August 26, 2015, 09:00:53 PM
His movement is brilliant to watch, i have no concerns that he won't score this year. Just hope the others can chip in!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on August 26, 2015, 09:46:26 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM

Bloke was an idiot.He reckoned it was Terry Burtons fault we signed him and was surprised when he was told that Terry Burton had been sacked months ago
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 26, 2015, 09:56:25 PM
Bloke was an idiot.He reckoned it was Terry Burtons fault we signed him and was surprised when he was told that Terry Burton had been sacked months ago
Was it a "Gentleman" called Lee from Halesowen?  :D :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:46:46 PM
Thought he did well today, not just with the goal but you can clearly see he has a very good work rate and never stopped running. I'd have given either him or Dawson man of the match.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 29, 2015, 05:57:50 PM
Took the goal well good to get that monkey off his back think he will do well for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: easyrider on August 29, 2015, 07:19:15 PM
nice goal salomon 19 more please :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on August 29, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
Its you Ron Don Don it's your Ron Don grabbed us a win that otherwise we wouldn't of got, Sounds simple but we are pants going forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 29, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
First goal congrats lad many more please
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 29, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
If i don't go to an away game i listen to radio wum to it.

And it great this season as they've got bomber as co-comm. and he liked rondon movement to lose  his marker.

PS does anyone know why bomber left tom ross's station?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
If i don't go to an away game i listen to radio wum to it.

And it great this season as they've got bomber as co-comm. and he liked rondon movement to lose  his marker.

PS does anyone know why bomber left tom ross's station?

Don't think they are doing games this year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 30, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
Very nice goal from him yesterday. Was an excellent header.

Think this guy has shown more talent that Ideye did all last season, his movement is fantastic and he finds goalscoring positions very easily. Off the mark now so i reckon he'll get at least 15.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2015, 08:06:36 PM
Very nice goal from him yesterday. Was an excellent header.

Think this guy has shown more talent that Ideye did all last season, his movement is fantastic and he finds goalscoring positions very easily. Off the mark now so i reckon he'll get at least 15.
Could get 20+ in a good attacking side, maybe 10 - 12 for us would be a good return.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 30, 2015, 08:40:05 PM
That was a brilliant header from ronny, and didn't get the credit it deserved on motd.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 30, 2015, 09:48:14 PM
That was a brilliant header from ronny, and didn't get the credit it deserved on motd.
It was superbly placed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 30, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
Could get 20+ in a good attacking side, maybe 10 - 12 for us would be a good return.
Id say 8-10 is a good season. Not because of the player, but because A) I don't think he'll get that many good chances and if we go ahead we'll sit on that lead and B) the major threat is at set pieces, so goals will be spread throughout the team and I only expect 30-35 goals this season from the team. That said, all our goals so far are from open play. So what do I know!!  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2015, 02:30:16 PM
The good thing about him is that he is looking to get on the end of whatever we do create. He'll miss chances as he did Tuesday night but he'll also notch up a decent tally. I watched him on SNF in the build up to the header he put just over from Morrison's cross....he made 3 different runs to try to provide an option while some square passing was going on - the 3rd of those he got in front of his man and met the cross. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on October 08, 2015, 02:22:56 AM
I like the bloke, much better than brown  but, i don't think he'll get even 10 goals as he looks knackered after 70 minutes.

I know we all like a grafter upfront but when you think about it it is often that workrate causes the opposition problems by way of an error.

And even if there is Ron is isolated and it all fizzles out.

Imo he should conserve his energy and choose when to harrass the oppo defence as he's a big unit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on October 08, 2015, 08:00:25 AM
I like the bloke, much better than brown  but, i don't think he'll get even 10 goals as he looks knackered after 70 minutes.

I know we all like a grafter upfront but when you think about it it is often that workrate causes the opposition problems by way of an error.

And even if there is Ron is isolated and it all fizzles out.

Imo he should conserve his energy and choose when to harrass the oppo defence as he's a big unit.

You have just said hes a grafter and his workrate causes opposition problems and causes them to make errors.

So surely if he stops the workrate, the defence wont make errors and he will get less chances than he does now (which isnt alot)?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on October 08, 2015, 08:44:37 AM
He runs into channels and spaces looking for balls.

If he's lucky he gets about 2 or 3 a game to his feet, at which point he usually doesn't have a midfielder within 20 metres of him. As a result he gets frustrated, and runs around even more in the hope of creating a bigger space where he may actually get the ball in a threatening area.

As these balls aren't forthcoming, he ends up just running around. The alternative is he stands there, and he gets moaned at for not trying. It's a lose lose scenario.

The other issue is his confidence is now shot, and if he does get chances, it will take a couple before he hits the net.

Finally, his touch looks poor because he doesn't get enough of the ball during the game. You can train all you like but nothing is like the intensity of a real game - until he receives more of the ball and gets confident on it during games, the cycle will continue.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on October 08, 2015, 08:47:01 AM
You can see he's stopped making the runs he used to because he knows it's pointless, look at the Rondon from the Chelsea game to now....Pulis anti-football has destroyed him in weeks, it wouldn't matter if Aguero played for us no supply means no goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on October 08, 2015, 09:06:50 AM
If you dont get out your own half how can you supply the front man?

The bloke works his balls off for very little reward.

Very contradicting post with very little proof.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on October 08, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
He would do well in a decent side who get balls into the box or play through the opposing defence.
He will not score many in our set up, but then I'm not sure who would. As has been said, Aguero would struggle with the service he would get from us.
We won't know how good he is until he goes somewhere else, or Pulis does.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
Topic merged.
Please try not to start another thread on the same topic thaks guys.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 08, 2015, 10:58:20 AM
Another player being hung out to dry by Pulis.

Was a real coup getting him here, he must think what the hell have I done coming here, we won't see the best out of him unless Pulis goes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 11:06:45 AM
Another player being hung out to dry by Pulis.

Was a real coup getting him here, he must think what the hell have I done coming here, we won't see the best out of him unless Pulis goes.
Or we get some supply to him as we did in the Villa game , I'm not convinced he's fully fit since he joined either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on October 08, 2015, 11:32:51 AM
Strikers need support...they need chances created for them...he's getting neither! All he is getting at present is balls being lamped at him from all angles, with no players around him to feed off!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on October 08, 2015, 11:35:27 AM
He'll probably be the biggest waste of talent for us since Valero. Both underappreciated due to their roles in the systems they have respectedly been asked to play in. Like others have said, you could play the likes of Lewandowski the way we're playing lately and he'd struggle to look like a decent player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on October 08, 2015, 12:39:14 PM
My post was saying he should choose when to harrass the oppo player.

The point being how often do you see an oppo goalie make such bad mistake because of our striker's workrate it leads to a goal?

Very, very rarely.

He looks knackered imo after 70 minutes and should choose his harrassing of oppo players more carefully.

I disagree about his first touch,  i think it's very good and his link play is good too as well as his abilily to win balls in the air.

Against vile he had numerous chances which were all at the keeper in essence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on October 08, 2015, 12:53:23 PM
Maybe he is trying too hard, but, I'd rather that than let me think.................................... vic !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on October 08, 2015, 01:28:27 PM
How many forward passes do we put to his feet?  How many passes along the deck even?  Its a thankless task playing that role anyway but in a Pulis team its near impossible.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 08, 2015, 03:18:10 PM
How many forward passes do we put to his feet?  How many passes along the deck even?  Its a thankless task playing that role anyway but in a Pulis team its near impossible.
can add to that...... How many quality crosses have we provided for him ? Basically none since the excellent Brunt cross early on against Villa.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 08, 2015, 04:46:05 PM
He looks knackered imo after 70 minutes and should choose his harrassing of oppo players more carefully.

Playing the lone role is demanding at the best of times, let alone in a side who aren't possession orientated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on October 08, 2015, 06:47:37 PM
Put him in a side which creates chances and I'm sure he'd score a fair few, imagine him at someone like Swansea, he'd have way more. As it stands he lives of scraps, and does a good job at harassing but cannot create goals entirely on his own.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on October 09, 2015, 04:58:14 PM
I wish he would have given these qualifiers with Venezuela a break and just took it easy. He looks completely shattered at the moment just chasing aimless long balls.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on October 17, 2015, 08:23:38 PM
Could do with hitting a good goal scoring run.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on October 17, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Could do with hitting a good goal scoring run.
our shower don't create chances as a forward in our team it's a thankless task
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
our shower don't create chances as a forward in our team it's a thankless task
Saido put his away in short order.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
I think people are missing the point maybe, It looks as though we will keep a ridiculous amount of clean sheets this season then add a few games were we win 1-0 from whoever mainly Berahino and I think you have a points total of 40 odd, I can't see Rondon getting 10 goals but I also can't see that being a problem under Pulis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on October 17, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
Saido put his away in short order.

It was a lucky chance that fell to him

Im certainly not going to beat Rondon with a stick for not scoring when we hardly create a chance  and Berahino scores from a goalkeepers flap.

Rondon needs a goal but we just don't create enough for him and thats not fair on the lad...he must be wondering why he joined a team where the focal point of the team is not used for the job he is best at
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 09:58:10 PM
It was a lucky chance that fell to him

Im certainly not going to beat Rondon with a stick for not scoring when we hardly create a chance  and Berahino scores from a goalkeepers flap.

Rondon needs a goal but we just don't create enough for him and thats not fair on the lad...he must be wondering why he joined a team where the focal point of the team is not used for the job he is best at
I agree but strikers need to score goals. That is what they are employed to do. He and or as well his agent should have researched how we play. A lot of goal are from "goalkeepers flaps" or defenders errors. I hope he gets one soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jharman292 on October 18, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
Really feel for this guy. Strikers have to score goals, otherwise the confidence will slowly drain from them and it shows in every part of thier game. He is not the same player i saw at the start of the season. He looked physically drained due to how much running off the ball he is forced to do and yet doesn't get a single chance to feed on. There are no balls behind the defence or into the box from wide positions, in what world can we expect him to get on the scorehseet.

I fear things will get worse for Rondon as his confidence gets even lower because i can't see to many chances coming his way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on October 18, 2015, 09:24:12 AM
Rubbish he has had chances ,another one falling to him from a sweet cross from brunt and they are the ones you have to put away, where do we find these unscoring forwards from? Seems obvious it was never going to happen ,he came from a weaker league and didn't score enough in that league to signify class.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 18, 2015, 09:44:41 AM
Have a bit of sympathy for him this week having played only 4 days ago in Brazil! Not like a jaunt into Europe which most of the others moan about especially Europa league syndrome.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on October 18, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
GO on, rip him apart like we always do like some did to Bobby.
FFS don't give him time to settle in to the club,league or country
some fan are unbelievable in their expectations & have no patients .
I would much rather see him on the pitch than Lambert or Anichebe.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: richjonawba on October 18, 2015, 10:31:03 AM
It's not his lack of goal scoring which bothers me, most players wouldn't get a load of goals for us with the way we set up, but his lack of movement last few games has been very bothersome. He rarely hit second gear yesterday for the entire 80 or so minutes, you can say he's tired having been away on international duty but if that's the case he shouldn't be starting. Anichebe gets all sorts of stick for not putting a shift in, I see no difference so far between the two players, in fact at least Vic can win a header and hold the ball up effectively, two things I have witnessed no evidence of from Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on October 18, 2015, 11:47:40 AM
He looks quality and gets into the right positions so let's give him time, I'm more worried about Lambert who looks over weight
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 18, 2015, 12:04:43 PM
He looks quality and gets into the right positions so let's give him time, I'm more worried about Lambert who looks over weight
This is the reason that I call him the legend.
He needs to shift a couple of stone.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jharman292 on October 18, 2015, 12:28:16 PM
This is the reason that I call him the legend.
He needs to shift a couple of stone.

I sit quite low in the Brummie Road and Lambert looked visibly thinner to me. Certainly shifted a bit of timber.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on October 18, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
I don't think we can really judge Rondon with the way we play. He seems to be the type of forward who needs crosses or the ball played in front of him.

Chelsea play in the same way as us (albeit with much better players) and rely on strikers creating a lot for themselves, which is why Falcao has struggled with them. Of course the other difference is their midfield trio weigh in with a lot of goals, or did up til this season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on October 18, 2015, 08:50:41 PM
I sit quite low in the Brummie Road and Lambert looked visibly thinner to me. Certainly shifted a bit of timber.

Agreed, Did well when he came on too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on October 18, 2015, 10:33:59 PM
He looks pretty useless but the attack and service is worse than useless so I'm not writing him off yet. Perhaps we should stop spending £10m in strikers who have never played in the prem or a decent European league (Russia does not count). Mbonkani who went to norwich on a loan looks a better player and has a better goal ratio and career record. Still if we had Gnabry and Mcmanaman delivering crosses and a midfielder running past him he might have a chance. Sadly he's currently chasing the opposition back four around by himself until he falls over.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on October 19, 2015, 05:27:37 PM
Being our record signing is the kiss of death for anyone we sign.

I don't know another that has failed with all their record signings.

Last good one i can quickly recall is jason Roberts over 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 19, 2015, 06:52:59 PM
He looks pretty useless but the attack and service is worse than useless so I'm not writing him off yet. Perhaps we should stop spending £10m in strikers who have never played in the prem or a decent European league (Russia does not count). Mbonkani who went to norwich on a loan looks a better player and has a better goal ratio and career record. Still if we had Gnabry and Mcmanaman delivering crosses and a midfielder running past him he might have a chance. Sadly he's currently chasing the opposition back four around by himself until he falls over.
Russia doesn't count but Belgium and Ukraine do? Remember Mbokani has failed in both France (Monaco) and Germany (Wolfsburg), whereas Rondon SUCCEEDED in Spain (Malaga).

I think it's the way he's being asked to play, he tries to lay the ball off to players too often, but that is what the target man in this set up is expected to do, except he isn't really a target man, he's just tall. Ironically Anichebe is better at what Pulis wants, Rondon would be better in saido's role where he can make runs in and be fed the ball, rather than trying to create for someone else. We saw this with how he played when he first came, making runs behind the opposition to pull them away from either himself or a team mate. He doesn't do that anymore, either because he's realised it gets him nowhere, or that he's been asked not to and to be a useless lump up front.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on October 19, 2015, 08:38:44 PM
I agree Huntington, scoring in the top Spanish league is hardly a joke, he has good pedigree - it's not like Brown Ideye who toured the obscure leagues.

I think Rondon is a good player but he will never get many goals under Pulis, but that is because of Pulis being so negative with little chances created. If Rondon were playing for a Swansea or Southampton you can guarantee he'd be scoring a lot more.
Personally I'm happy to have him start, to me he's proven he's good enough and just needs a few decent crosses and he'll score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 19, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
Diego Costa would struggle to score in our team, such is our inability to create chances.

Poor Rondon must wonder what he did wrong to end up playing our style of football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggyman68 on October 19, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
Its  not whether our strikers can score or not its the lack of good chances being made for them.
The squad is unbalanced and lacks quality.
Makeshift full backs putting pressure on the wingers to always have to double up. Always having to have two defensive midfielders because the ones in front of them are not trusted to go forward and do some defensive work. We need central midfielders who can hold the ball without constantly passing backwards and are able to pick a through ball to the strikers.
Wingers who can cross a ball to one of our players or drop a shoulder and go past a defender.
I think I feel a bit sorry for Pulis sometimes when he looks to our bench and the best he has on there is gardner.
Money needs to be spent!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on October 19, 2015, 11:15:39 PM
Its  not whether our strikers can score or not its the lack of good chances being made for them.
The squad is unbalanced and lacks quality.
Makeshift full backs putting pressure on the wingers to always have to double up. Always having to have two defensive midfielders because the ones in front of them are not trusted to go forward and do some defensive work. We need central midfielders who can hold the ball without constantly passing backwards and are able to pick a through ball to the strikers.
Wingers who can cross a ball to one of our players or drop a shoulder and go past a defender.
I think I feel a bit sorry for Pulis sometimes when he looks to our bench and the best he has on there is gardner.
Money needs to be spent!

you feel sorry for pulis,who is it that picks the makeshift fullbacks,who is that picks all the defensive midfielders,who is it that puts gardner anywhere near the 1st team,who is that's spent 14m on mac and chester,both who wont play,if I were peace I wouldn't trust pulis with anymore money
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 12:21:10 PM
As previous.
Pulis makes his own decisions and has to be accountable for them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 20, 2015, 12:25:51 PM
even Lambert would score in a decent team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
even Lambert would score in a decent team
Stupid boy as Captain Mainwaring would say. lol
He couldn't score in a free brothel.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 20, 2015, 12:30:07 PM
Stupid boy as Captain Mainwaring would say. lol
He couldn't score in a free brothel.


well i did in munich and i aint no good either :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggyman68 on October 20, 2015, 03:37:55 PM
you feel sorry for pulis,who is it that picks the makeshift fullbacks,who is that picks all the defensive midfielders,who is it that puts gardner anywhere near the 1st team,who is that's spent 14m on mac and chester,both who wont play,if I were peace I wouldn't trust pulis with anymore money
ok he has put square pegs in round holes but with the massive under investment in the squad for the past few seasons and misguided panic buys that have wasted what we have spent  what else can he do? Was Mac his choice? Didn't we have a director in place then?
Nothing will change unless he gets enough money to go out and buy three or four decent players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on October 20, 2015, 04:14:46 PM
I'm with elkiellis on this one, JP doesn't have a bottomless pit and what he has been able to invest has largely been squandered by a succession of managers.
Ask yourself how many of the current first team squad are the result of sizeable investments?

Myhill,
Dawson, Gmac
, Evans, Brunt
Yacob, Fletcher
McLean, Morrison, Sessegnon, Macmanaman, Gardner
Bera, Rondon, Lambert,

Hardly a glowing report is it ?

As for TP, he can point to Jonny evans, otherwise???

If I were JP, I would be telling TP get shut of the players you don't use before you ask for more money for signings / wages.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on October 20, 2015, 04:33:25 PM
Stupid boy as Captain Mainwaring would say. lol
He couldn't score in a free brothel.

He's hardly played to be fair. I do remember him scoring some great goals in pre season against the likes of Bristol Rovers. I think if given chance he can become a good player here, it's a long season.

I also think Rondon has the quality to become a success here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: nick_wba on October 20, 2015, 04:47:28 PM
He's hardly played to be fair. I do remember him scoring some great goals in pre season against the likes of Bristol Rovers. I think if given chance he can become a good player here, it's a long season.

I also think Rondon has the quality to become a success here.

I agree, it's all quite ridiculous reading to be honest. Not sure what more the lad can do. He works his socks off and you can tell he has the quality to accompany his work-rate. And some of you are talking about Mbokani?! Get off it, Rondon is a far, far better player.

He's moved half away across the world, he needs to settle. Give the bloke a chance.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on October 20, 2015, 04:52:06 PM
Not seen many knocking Rondon, rather he is getting sympathy from most for being given an impossible task.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on October 20, 2015, 05:04:54 PM
Thats why i dont get why people are writing off Lambert yet saying Rondon is okay.

I dont know for sure but would imagine Rondon has made about 6 or 7 starts, and scored once and although he looked lively to start with due to his workrate, now he doesnt really contribute anything.

Lambert has made 2 maybe 3 starts (including cup) and hasnt scored and also contributed very little so not sure why Lambert is branded useless and Rondon isnt, if going on track record i would say Lambert has probably a better scoring rate?

Its too early to write either of them off, whoever plays as a striker in our team its a thankless task, the way we play, ie - whack it, you may as well play Big Vic up there.

I think if you saw Lambert or Rondon in any other team other than a Pulisball one they would look much better and score more goals, sadly at the moment we are ruining both of them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 24, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
Another for him, he seemed really happy about it too.

Given how we play I think he should be happy with a 10 goal season and he's on for that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 24, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
So pleased for him, but superb cross from Mcclean also COYB :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mateinone on October 24, 2015, 11:30:30 PM
I think he will know in about 10 as someone else stated
Such is the case with Pulis sides, we need to make sure we take the chances we get, not likely to get anywhere near the chances he got in Russia, but is a quality player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 25, 2015, 09:45:24 AM
As Ian Wright highlighted on MOTD, his movement to get cleanly on the end of McLean's cross was very good....the defender didn't know where he was.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 25, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
The boy needs service and it comes as no surprise that two crosses into the box he managed to get his head on - one of which was a bullet header to win the game.

We have to provide him with more crosses otherwise he's going to be ineffective.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on October 25, 2015, 03:31:36 PM
Worked hard as usual and took 1 of 3 (possibly 2.5)  chances yesterday.

1 a header over the bar from a decent cross. He was under severe pressure from the defender who did what all defenders do when beaten in the air - push hard into his man to unbalance them to make it difficult for them to direct the ball.

2 just short of a tap in from another decent cross because his run at the ball was obstructed off the ball (probably unlawfully but this is Albion with KF refereeing)

3 An excellent scoring header which he made the space for with brilliant movement to lose his defender.

Rondon is a good player and a very good striker given the ammunition
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Sessegod on October 25, 2015, 06:00:13 PM
Worked hard as usual and took 1 of 3 (possibly 2.5)  chances yesterday.

1 a header over the bar from a decent cross. He was under severe pressure from the defender who did what all defenders do when beaten in the air - push hard into his man to unbalance them to make it difficult for them to direct the ball.

2 just short of a tap in from another decent cross because his run at the ball was obstructed off the ball (probably unlawfully but this is Albion with KF refereeing)

3 An excellent scoring header which he made the space for with brilliant movement to lose his defender.

Rondon is a good player and a very good striker given the ammunition

Was that our freekick from the training ground? he may have been blocked a bit but should have know it was coming and bust a gut to get there. Good all round solid performance though, big strong lad up front, starting to work well with Bera.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on October 25, 2015, 07:54:42 PM
Was that our freekick from the training ground? he may have been blocked a bit but should have know it was coming and bust a gut to get there. Good all round solid performance though, big strong lad up front, starting to work well with Bera.

His mistake was trying to get ahead of the defender rather just dropping off him but if the ball in hadn't have been such a peach getting ahead of the defender would have given him the better chance. As it was he was just a whisker away from a tap in. The goal will do his confidence the power of good and is a reward for the hard yards he has put in other games without much by the way of service.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on October 26, 2015, 04:02:11 PM
The thing we had with the game vs norwich is quality service to Rondon which makes all the difference. Whip a good cross into him and he will get on the end of it, hopefully the likes of Brunt, McClean and Sess can continue delivering dangerous crosses.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 26, 2015, 04:15:27 PM
Been highlighted enough times. We don't create enough for out strikers be that how previous and current manager sets up or that the team aren't good enough but since odemwingie and lukaku went we lost strikers who could create fr themselves. Ideye was never given tbe ammunition and in reality that was the first game we have given rondon some. Put enough quality in to the box and he will bang in the headers. What he needs is one to just drop for him so he will have more confidence shooting.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on October 26, 2015, 04:16:59 PM
The thing we had with the game vs norwich is quality service to Rondon which makes all the difference. Whip a good cross into him and he will get on the end of it, hopefully the likes of Brunt, McClean and Sess can continue delivering dangerous crosses.

Spot on Pie, he received some quality service at last. Three good chances and he put one away - that will hopefully fill him with confidence. Won us all three points so he should be proud of that - team effort though

and a superb ball from McLean :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on October 26, 2015, 04:23:46 PM
Spot on Pie, he received some quality service at last. Three good chances and he put one away - that will hopefully fill him with confidence. Won us all three points so he should be proud of that - team effort though

and a superb ball from McLean :)
You could see the relief in his celebration, think he will kick on now. Don't think he will get the service to score 15+, but he will get his share of match winners. We only win 1-0 after all!  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on October 26, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
He may only have 2 goals but his goals have had a major contribution to 6 of our 14 points which says more than the amount of goals if you ask me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on October 26, 2015, 08:33:40 PM
Been highlighted enough times. We don't create enough for out strikers be that how previous and current manager sets up or that the team aren't good enough but since odemwingie and lukaku went we lost strikers who could create fr themselves. Ideye was never given tbe ammunition and in reality that was the first game we have given rondon some. Put enough quality in to the box and he will bang in the headers. What he needs is one to just drop for him so he will have more confidence shooting.

Knowing that SB could be sold in the January window Leaving two similar type of forwards to keep big Ron on his toes i wouldn't have let Bobby go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 20, 2015, 07:40:32 AM
We need to get the best out of this guy when berahino leaves. Imo we should sign Matt phillips and push brunt up to left midfield. With those two putting the crosses in he would score a lot of goals for us. Been impressed with rondon so far but doesn't get much service from our midfield at the moment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2015, 09:35:10 AM
We need to get the best out of this guy when berahino leaves. Imo we should sign Matt phillips and push brunt up to left midfield. With those two putting the crosses in he would score a lot of goals for us. Been impressed with rondon so far but doesn't get much service from our midfield at the moment.

It's a good point you raise about Brunt, are we missing out on his supply by having him further back? Going by Rondon so far i'd say he'd benefit from a player like Brunt on the wing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2015, 09:52:18 AM
Brunt is still the best passer of the ball at the club and that ability is largely wasted at full back. Yet regardless of personnel we are so negative that our forwards are always going to be starved of quality balls in the final third of the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2015, 09:56:25 AM
Brunt is still the best passer of the ball at the club and that ability is largely wasted at full back. Yet regardless of personnel we are so negative that our forwards are always going to be starved of quality balls in the final third of the pitch.

I think if any of our forwards manage to hit double figures under Pulis then they've had an incredibly good season. I mean look at the amount of chances we create. Multiple games with just one shot on target, possibly some zero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 10:04:37 AM
I think if any of our forwards manage to hit double figures under Pulis then they've had an incredibly good season. I mean look at the amount of chances we create. Multiple games with just one shot on target, possibly some zero.

Yep. I have sympathy with Berahino because of this. Pulls style football reduces the opportunity for him to show and develop his talent. I've even more sympathy for Rondon and Lambert who have just joined and must be wondering what they have done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2015, 04:06:19 PM
Much like Berahino in recent weeks.  Rondon has got to score that header. Aside from that he lead the line well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on November 29, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
Like Henry said bad miss.

The sky commentators were creaming themselves about the save but the header was straight at goalie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2015, 04:33:08 PM
I'm not sure you can call that a save when the forward headers the ball straight at you!

All the goal to aim for and he hits the keeper - should have scored but aside from that he lead the line well. Much better with the introduction of Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
His biggest mistake was getting it on target.  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 29, 2015, 04:56:54 PM
Bad miss but overall he led the line well. Much improved when Lambert came on. He needs service!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
Much like Berahino in recent weeks.  Rondon has got to score that header. Aside from that he lead the line well.

He got a solid connection and the goalkeeper did well to make himself big.

If he put those squarely in the corner every time he'd have cost 3 times more and he'd be playing for Chelsea.

I'm ahppy with him. Mozza should have scored and that would have been his 4th assist also. He's doing well, not great, but well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on November 29, 2015, 05:04:27 PM
He should have scored but I think he played not bad today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Didn't stop running and played pretty well overall. Should have buried the header but I'm not going to crucify him for it as he made good contact and hit the target. Also great effort in the first half that was only 6 inches wide.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
Bad miss , good game and much better with the physical battle today.
Settlimg in now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RogerBadoo on November 29, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
I thought he worked hard today, linked up play nicely and was unlucky not to score and set one up. Good effort.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 12:41:24 PM
Bad miss , good game and much better with the physical battle today.
Settlimg in now.
It was a bad miss, a good, confident striker would have gone back across goal and given the keeper no chance.
His shot in the 1st half was a screamer though and had the keeper beat. Would like to see him have a pop more often.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 30, 2015, 01:06:48 PM
The jury is still out for me. Yes he works hard and has good movement but he's had one or two chances since he's been here that a decent striker should bury. He looks very cumbersome at times. The ball doesn't stick to him often enough for my liking either. He needs better support from midfield and a quick striker alongside him. Had Lambert or dare I say Anichebe had as many minutes on the pitch as him this season they would have matched his goal return.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 30, 2015, 04:02:09 PM
The jury is still out for me. Yes he works hard and has good movement but he's had one or two chances since he's been here that a decent striker should bury. He looks very cumbersome at times. The ball doesn't stick to him often enough for my liking either. He needs better support from midfield and a quick striker alongside him. Had Lambert or dare I say Anichebe had as many minutes on the pitch as him this season they would have matched his goal return.

Yeah, it is slightly worrying. May prove us wrong.

But lack of support is irrelevant when it comes to clear cut chances and that's two golden chances he's missed now. As someone else said, if Saido had have missed those chances, all hell would've broken loose on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 30, 2015, 06:20:48 PM
Yeah, it is slightly worrying. May prove us wrong.

But lack of support is irrelevant when it comes to clear cut chances and that's two golden chances he's missed now. As someone else said, if Saido had have missed those chances, all hell would've broken loose on here.

Rondon didn't "miss" that chance, it was on target and hard, it was saved. You simply can't compare that to the Saido miss where he totally bottled it.

Given our style I doubt a forward will get more than 12 league goals for us in a year. Lambert is fully capable, he does need to lose a stone though. Vic however needs shipping out ASAP, I'd rather give a youth team player his place.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 30, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
Rondon didn't "miss" that chance, it was on target and hard, it was saved. You simply can't compare that to the Saido miss where he totally bottled it.

Given our style I doubt a forward will get more than 12 league goals for us in a year. Lambert is fully capable, he does need to lose a stone though. Vic however needs shipping out ASAP, I'd rather give a youth team player his place.

Nabi when he comes back from India? Its this month isn't it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 30, 2015, 11:34:59 PM
I think we need to give him the rest of the season to 'aclimatise' then hope he kicks on next season with some potential providers bought in
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: garlic_naan on December 01, 2015, 09:55:14 AM
Nabi when he comes back from India? Its this month isn't it?

Nabi has barely featured in India. Considering the standard out there is awful-this says a lot about him. He will not have a future at this football club, or indeed at any top flight club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2015, 10:08:09 AM
Yeah, it is slightly worrying. May prove us wrong.

But lack of support is irrelevant when it comes to clear cut chances and that's two golden chances he's missed now. As someone else said, if Saido had have missed those chances, all hell would've broken loose on here.
No striker scores every chance though, the trouble we have is that chances are very few and far between, so misses are accentuated.
Anyone know his conversion rate, chances to goals and how it compares to others?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 01, 2015, 02:02:12 PM
Part of the problem is that Rondon is playing in a very defensive team and is a decent striker, but maybe not at the same level as an Odemwingie/Lukaku or even a thin and up for it Saido.

Although most fans know these two aspects and in theory allow for them, they then judge Rondon without allowing for those factors.

No one short of a truely world class talent would score 15+ goals a season in this team. We dont create enough and some of the forward passing is utterly awful. The Jonas "passing" to Rondon in the first half against West Ham was 20 foot too high and 40 foot too forward. It was just blind hoofing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dorrans17 on December 01, 2015, 07:31:36 PM
I really really rate this guy, enjoy the way he plays and puts himself about. Need to play him up top with Saido.

Bing boing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on December 01, 2015, 09:25:39 PM
West Brom striker Salomon Rondon has led a revolt against the Venezuela Football Federation, after their team's shocking start to World Cup qualifying.
Venezuela, the only South American country never to reach the World Cup, have ended the year bottom of the 10-nation group without a point after four matches, sparking speculation that coach Noel Sanvicente would resign.
And several core players, including Rondon, have now threatened to quit unless their federation's (FVF) directors resign


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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on December 01, 2015, 09:28:39 PM
I'm not 100% sure about him yet.  What I like a lot about him is that he works hard for the team and never shirks a challenge.  His movement is excellent. 

What I'd like to see an improvement on is him taking up better positions in the box.  His finishing isn't great either but he needs more chances creating for him.  I don't think he is an out and out goal scorer.  More Shane Long than Odemwingie but that's not a bad thing as I was a big fan of Long.  What it means is the midfield need to chip in with more goals something only Morrison is doing a the moment.

I'd like to see a winger signed in January.  Someone who can score goals and create.  Neither Sess or McClean are pulling their weight in terms of creating or scoring.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie953 on December 02, 2015, 01:05:02 PM
I like what I've seen so far, he comes across as a very personable player.

I wonder if he had known how isolated he would be playing whether he would have come to the Albion in the first place.

Albion are not the sort of team to create many goal scoring opportunities nor are we the sort of club to be blessed with a striker who puts away 50% of his chances. It is therefore unlikely (not impossible) he will score unless he has 2 or 3 good chances in a game.

We need to work on delivering better balls to the forward line to give the incumbent (Ricky, Sado or Rondondon) a fighting chance.

Like any striker he will improve as his confidence grows but I would stick with him for now that's for sure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2015, 01:19:50 PM
I think we will see him and Lambert in a 4-4-2 on Saturday. It should suit the 2 of them, but not sure how it will work for the team. It could go really well, with them both notching, or could go horribly wrong and we get tonked.
Personally, if it's a choice between this and bringing Gardner in to replace Claudio, then I hope Pulis gives it a go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2015, 02:12:55 PM
4-4-2 may work due to Yacob being suspended, it relies heavily on Brunt playing in midfield though imo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2015, 02:32:07 PM
4-4-2 may work due to Yacob being suspended, it relies heavily on Brunt playing in midfield though imo.
Where would you play Brunt on the left or central? If left, who are the other 3?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 02, 2015, 02:36:30 PM
got to be out wide, but, for me if he is not at LB he don't play!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
A 4 man midfield of Morrison Fletcher Sess and McClean is too weak. Add in Gardner for Sess and it's awful. Brunt on the right cutting inside.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 02, 2015, 06:05:28 PM
In order to support a front 2 as opposed to a front man alone we need a much much better midfield as the one we have ( with any combination of current players ) is simply not good enough as a 4. So we either need to figure out some form of 3 - 5 - 2 OR go with 4 - 5 - 1. If we play 2 forwards, a 4 man midfield is too weak and would get bossed by opposition, simple.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2015, 09:16:39 PM
I think, NO believe that him & Bobby would have taken us up the table for the next 2/3 season if we had not got rid of him. They both have a fair amount of pace, movement & i could see them scoring 25 goals or more between them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 05, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
His best performance so far and handful all evening as a lone striker needs a goal badly though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on December 06, 2015, 08:46:19 AM
Excellent yesterday, now he's starting to get more and more chances can see him becoming an absolute monster for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on December 06, 2015, 09:08:51 AM
He won virtually every aerial duel against two very good Centre Backs, it is a pity we didn't get players closer to him particularly in the 1st half. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mini gaardsoe on December 06, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
The problem for Rondon as I see is is that he puts so much effort in to the first 70 minutes that he's absolutely knackered for the final 20 when you tend to get a few more openings. It might not be the most illustrious job for him but maybe he should have been replaced for fresher legs with 20 to go, maybe with Berahino for example.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on December 06, 2015, 12:18:53 PM
The guy was a monster today!! Worked his butt off, he and the ball were like magnets today every time the ball was kicked up towards the Spurs half it seemed like he was there to win it!! A goal would have capped off what was an excellent showing today! Most of our matches prior to these last 3-4 I felt bad for Rondon because TP had us playing so defensive he would be lucky to get 1 or 2 shots on goal in any given match. But now I gotta admit just a bit of frustration on my part with his failure to score on the chances he's had of late. His goal tally should at least be double what it is. Maybe his work rate is crippling him, wearing himself out so he doesn't have the legs to get a good shot off, or perhaps it's just a lack of confidence whatever it is I hope he starts scoring because we really need a nice goal tally from our strikers!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on December 06, 2015, 01:34:03 PM
There's no denying his workrate, but I don't think he's clinical enough in front of goal. A good example was that ball that came over his shoulder, when he dithered, whereas a top striker would have reacted instinctively and put it away.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kendo on December 14, 2015, 11:19:58 AM
Happy with a point at Liverpool but, if only Rondon could put the ball in the net we could have been 6 points better off. He as missed sitters in the last 3 games that would have give us the points. He looks a player with no composure or confidence when racing through on goal. His first touch is not normally good but , the one thing he does do is give 100% effort. If he could just have more belief , he might come good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2015, 11:26:40 AM
Happy with a point at Liverpool but, if only Rondon could put the ball in the net we could have been 6 points better off. He as missed sitters in the last 3 games that would have give us the points. He looks a player with no composure or confidence when racing through on goal. His first touch is not normally good but , the one thing he does do is give 100% effort. If he could just have more belief , he might come good.

He's an excellent player, if yesterdays chance had come on the hour instead of in the 90th minute he'd probably have taken the couple of extra touches he needed and scored.

Not sure why you think he has a poor first touch, looks a quality footballer possibly low on confidence in front of goal. I agree he needs to slot one of these chances to settle him down, but attach no blame to him for not winning yesterday. The equalising goal came from 3 missed tackles and a defender turning their back, that is what was unacceptable...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
I think a large part of his finishing is down to how much work he does off the ball.

Because he is constantly running around and chasing balls down, a lot of his energy will be used up, so when it comes to taking a chance, hes 'shattered.'
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2015, 11:58:23 AM
Definitely needs a goal or two to restore his confidence. Fair point though about his workrate, it's almost as if his focus has shifted and his finishing is suffering because he is working so hard on other aspects of his game.
Hopefully, the next 3 games will see him take a couple of chances.
We have one of the best finishers in the league sat on the bench, which is frustrating, but I still wouldn't swap them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 14, 2015, 11:59:36 AM
Happy with a point at Liverpool but, if only Rondon could put the ball in the net we could have been 6 points better off. He as missed sitters in the last 3 games that would have give us the points. He looks a player with no composure or confidence when racing through on goal. His first touch is not normally good but , the one thing he does do is give 100% effort. If he could just have more belief , he might come good.

I agree with that but I'm also hoping this is something that will improve with match time, the premier league gives no time for players to make a shot so he will have to learn to remain composed every time he makes a shot. But even with him not scoring he offers so much more to the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on December 14, 2015, 12:10:15 PM
I like him. His work ethic is great, he seems to have good quality and movement. It's been said a few times, he spends most of the game chasing lost causes and does it well. When he get's a half chance , it must be difficult for him to make it count when he's knackered. We're beginning to look more like Roy's Albion every week but need a couple of players to help break/ counter attack quicker. If we had this, I'm sure he'd get a few more goals.........he probably needs more of a rest now and again to be honest
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 14, 2015, 12:57:05 PM
Doing a fantastic job for us, I think he just needs one to bobble in off his backside and then the goals will start flowing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 01:21:58 PM
Works hard and hassles defenders but his finishing is poor. Far too slow and cumbersome for me to play up on his own. The ball doesn't stick to him enough for me - it just bounces off him a lot of the time. Maybe fitness is the issue as he looked knackered after an hour. Pulis should have bought Lambert on much earlier yesterday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PepeMel on December 14, 2015, 01:24:30 PM
He needs a full season to settle in properly
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on December 14, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
Willing to give him time because we have little or no other options.  Do I rate him?  Not particularly but I'll give him credit for working hard for the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on December 14, 2015, 01:53:14 PM
He needs a full season to settle in properly

Don't know if I'm right but that's what I said.
Give him the rest of the season to adjust and see what next season brings.
It must be difficult for him when a lot of the balls up to him are at best speculative and at worst over hit.
That said he's had a couple of golden chances in the last few games that I would expect a £12m striker to do better with.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on December 14, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
 To give a comparison Giroud had scored 4 goals for  Arsenal in the prem at this stage in his first season so i think the doubters should cut Solomon  some slack 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on December 14, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
The next few games against Bournemouth,  Swansea, Stoke and Newcastle could be great for him. He should get more chances to get on the scoresheet.

I think he's superb to be honest, works really hard and is such an improvement on Ideye. If Pulis sorted his tactics out regards subs we would benefit more. Rondon batters the defence, we then need pace on and fresh legs to take advantage
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 14, 2015, 02:23:21 PM
He's an excellent player, if yesterdays chance had come on the hour instead of in the 90th minute he'd probably have taken the couple of extra touches he needed and scored.

Not sure why you think he has a poor first touch, looks a quality footballer possibly low on confidence in front of goal. I agree he needs to slot one of these chances to settle him down, but attach no blame to him for not winning yesterday. The equalising goal came from 3 missed tackles and a defender turning their back, that is what was unacceptable...
Does a game of football only last an hour now? it doesn't matter what time of the game the chances come they should all be fit enough to do the job they are paid to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on December 14, 2015, 02:28:49 PM
His first touch does look poor at times. His passing isn't always great either. His pass to McClean that lead to the own goal vs Arsenal was awful actually, most players would have probably given it up.

He's also now started more games for us than Brown Ideye, but scored less. He doesnt quite look the fish out of water that Ideye did at times mind but I'm yet to be convinced.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Does a game of football only last an hour now? it doesn't matter what time of the game the chances come they should all be fit enough to do the job they are paid to do.

I can't believe you've gleaned so little from watching football for so many years. He'd run himself into the ground against the team that runs further than any other team week after week. It is hardly Rondon's fault none of the other strikers are capable of an effective forward press and therefore are not considered viable alternatives around the 70 minute mark.

His first touch does look poor at times. His passing isn't always great either. His pass to McClean that lead to the own goal vs Arsenal was awful actually, most players would have probably given it up.

He's also now started more games for us than Brown Ideye, but scored less. He doesnt quite look the fish out of water that Ideye did at times mind but I'm yet to be convinced.

It was a superbly weighted ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on December 14, 2015, 03:07:49 PM
Lacking confidence due to a lack of goals. He probably has one half chance and one actual chance a game currently.

Hopefully we attempt to give him a bit more to feed on over the next few games and i'm fairly sure he'll score goals. I understand the Ideye comparisons but they're two very different players. Rondon is an out and out target man who needs people running up with him to really be utilised. Brown was somewhere in between him and Berahino (a natural poacher type) which was no use to our system.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 03:12:44 PM
Lacking confidence due to a lack of goals. He probably has one half chance and one actual chance a game currently.

Hopefully we attempt to give him a bit more to feed on over the next few games and i'm fairly sure he'll score goals. I understand the Ideye comparisons but they're two very different players. Rondon is an out and out target man who needs people running up with him to really be utilised. Brown was somewhere in between him and Berahino (a natural poacher type) which was no use to our system.

As much as I agree that hes a brilliant target man, I also thought he looked a totally different player in the 2nd half at West Ham when Lambert was accompanying him.

He looked more of a threat as it seemed the weight of leading the line alone was off his shoulders.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on December 14, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Here's hoping he's not the new 'Boo Boy :(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on December 14, 2015, 03:41:54 PM
As much as I agree that hes a brilliant target man, I also thought he looked a totally different player in the 2nd half at West Ham when Lambert was accompanying him.

He looked more of a threat as it seemed the weight of leading the line alone was off his shoulders.

I would also like to see this, I think TP is reluctant to play two up top but against Bournemouth it may be something to consider.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 14, 2015, 04:24:53 PM
I can't believe you've gleaned so little from watching football for so many years. He'd run himself into the ground against the team that runs further than any other team week after week. It is hardly Rondon's fault none of the other strikers are capable of an effective forward press and therefore are not considered viable alternatives around the 70 minute mark.

It was a superbly weighted ball.
urgh did shane long not run himself into the ground also? but you couldn't wait to get on here and slate him! double standards mate if you don't like a player you never give them a chance ie long, Dorrans but if you do you go over the top. its got nothing to do with the other players Rondon missed the chance not them and I say again he should be fit enough to last 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
He needs a full season to settle in properly

Maybe he needs a full season to discover where the goals are.  :D

Joking aside I think he has settled. It's just his finishing is way below what I expected of a player with a great goal scoring record at a decent level beforehand. I just don't think he looks fit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on December 14, 2015, 05:12:00 PM
I think he is what you call a 'handful'.

I bet he is a nightmare to actually mark, he is big, strong, works hard, not super quick but not slow and he gives 100%.

I think with the way we play, we miss him when he isnt on the pitch, Lambert is more of a hold and linkup player, Berahino more of a goalscorer but neither covers the ground that Rondon does, that said i would rather a chance fell to either of them than Rondon.

I like him but am concerned with his finishing, its quite wild, you at least have to hit the target and he just seems to lose his composure, not once or twice, its regular. Whether its a confidence thing or he just isnt a good finisher i dont know. Problem is, we dont really have goalscoring wingers or midfielders, i know Morrison has a few but other than that, has any midfielder scored more than 1 so it means the pressure is on Rondon even more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2015, 07:59:01 PM
Very few strikers have a 100% strike rate. To expect him to be burying the one or two chances that he gets per game is fanciful. Low on chances, low on confidence, low on goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on December 14, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
And the much maligned Vic put one away from a similar position when gifted the ball against Liverpool a couple of seasons ago.  In both cases it was a quick strike along the ground, one goes inside the post, the other outside.  It's those margins again...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 14, 2015, 09:21:07 PM
If he had put that one away yesterday or one of the other few of recent memory our points total and league position would have been very different.I like him though works very hard but needs to start putting away some of those rear chances he gets.I know he does not get a lot but the ones like yesterday are very good chances which you have to take at this level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 15, 2015, 07:48:42 AM
Very few strikers have a 100% strike rate. To expect him to be burying the one or two chances that he gets per game is fanciful.
Indeed. The very best strikers miss good chances and, in general terms, those who score the most goals are also having the most chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 15, 2015, 08:15:46 AM
Agree with others - we can't expect him to finish 100% of his chances so there's no point in us only making one per game. His goals so far have not been the easiest, coming from headers where a goal isn't certain by any means and with enough service and good play around him, he'd get more chances and put one away.

Undoubted quality and work rate, just needs more around him. Not sure if that's in the form of a strike partner or wing play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 12:18:19 PM
urgh did shane long not run himself into the ground also? but you couldn't wait to get on here and slate him! double standards mate if you don't like a player you never give them a chance ie long, Dorrans but if you do you go over the top. its got nothing to do with the other players Rondon missed the chance not them and I say again he should be fit enough to last 90 minutes.

Long didn't have ANY quality in possession, he missed a sitter in stoppage time for Southampton at the weekend by the way. Dorrans was always an odd one, I never saw anything in his "wonder" season to suggest he'd make the step up. 6 years down the line he's still a good Championship player plying his trade as a Premier League squad player for a relegation candidate and miles away from his national side.

Rondon like any striker will miss chances, doesn't get away from the fact he's more likely to miss them as he gets more fatigued, ie in the 90th minute. He should have taken a couple more touches and been in on Mignolet but he snatched at it. These things happen. My point about the other players is that Pulis won't play them up front on their own with the exception of Lambert who wouldn't have been on the chance anyway as he's got no pace.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on December 15, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
All strikers miss chances but i think whats concering with Rondon is in the last three games, they have been sitters and on two occasions he hasnt hit the target, maybe miss one, even two, but three needs to improve.

West Ham 6 yards out free header in the middle of the goal, that was just after half time so fatigue cant be blamed and against Spurs the first chance he had was in the first 10 minutes so again tiredness cant be blamed, he had done the hard bit, he had outmuscled and outpaced the defender, got through in a great position and blazed it into the stand.

Liverpool he could of taken it into the box, but to be fair it was late on so maybe tiredness on that one.

I said previous i think its how wild his shots are, if you hit the target, make the keeper work, even if it dont go in then he may parry it, etc. I think he needs a couple of games where he scores back to back, even if it hits his backside and goes in and hopefully he can regain his composure then.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on December 15, 2015, 12:35:38 PM
I just think of the old cliché that it's better for strikers to be missing chances as it means they're getting in the right positions. For me, he's simply not having enough chances created for him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 12:39:24 PM
The West Ham header is a sitter, the other 2 are just presentable chances, the one against Spurs he was going away from goal on his weaker foot and sliced it wide, maybe he should have gone for placement, but normally with your swinger you hit and hope. The Liverpool one he snatched at before he needed to.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 15, 2015, 12:58:50 PM
I'm with Jacko on this one, only the West Ham header can be described as a sitter. The chances against Spurs and Liverpool he should really have hit the target with at least one of them but surely we can't go describing chances like that as sitters.

He seems to be lacking a little confidence in front of goal and maybe snatching at the few chances gets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 15, 2015, 01:04:21 PM
I'm with Jacko on this one, only the West Ham header can be described as a sitter. The chances against Spurs and Liverpool he should really have hit the target with at least one of them but surely we can't go describing chances like that as sitters.

He seems to be lacking a little confidence in front of goal and maybe snatching at the few chances gets.

Agreed, he needs to calm down but appears too desperate to score. Hoping he gets at least one at the weekend.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on December 15, 2015, 01:07:28 PM
The Premier League over the years has been littered with strikers who struggled during their first season, even players like Falcao who had been prolific everywhere

Because we paid a record fee for us, everyone seems to expect him to hit the ground running, but as has been pointed out we only create a couple of half chances a game for him.
I think we need to give him this season then see what next season brings
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on December 15, 2015, 02:39:36 PM
I probably sound as though i am having a pop at Rondon, i am not, i rate him and would want him starting each game as he is a handful and gives defenders more to do than anyone else we have.

I dont buy into the give him time to settle for missed chances, he has shown in every other aspect of his game that he has settled its just his finishing isnt good enough (yet)

We have other strikers who havent settled and never really got going and didnt look upto it (Ideye, Anelka, Rosenberg in recent seasons) Rondon isnt like that, he is a key player for us, hopefully he will notch a goal or two and kick on the scoring front, but if he doesnt and just isnt a very good finisher then we have to find a way of playing Lambert, Berahino or another attacking player who can score alongside Rondon because our midfield dont offer any goals with the exception of Morrison.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on January 09, 2016, 11:59:37 PM
His form his seriously worrying now. That's easy chances he's missed against Spurs, West Ham, Liverpool and now Bristol City and he hasn't scored in the meantime.

If we sell Saido, god knows when a striker will next score for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on January 10, 2016, 12:25:28 AM
I think he had his worst game for us today, I think the lack of goals is starting to eat at his confidence which is a bit of a worry.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on January 10, 2016, 01:18:36 AM
Looks better than brown but is that saying much, should be looking at players from stronger leagues looks like we got mugged again
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 10, 2016, 01:38:13 AM
I am very worried Lambert and Rondon has a grand total of 4 goals so far very dissapointing if we sell Saido we have to buy another forward these two dont look like they going to score 10 between them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jharman292 on January 10, 2016, 09:55:08 AM
Today was the first time i become a little concerned tbh, with Berahino looking likely to be off, the pressure will be even heavier on his shoulders. Ill stick with him for now but sooner or later, he needs to bury one of these chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2016, 09:56:48 AM
Our conversion rate (as a team) is at the same level as the Premier League average (14%). Rondon is just below average at 11%, according to Kick app. If we created more chances we should score more goals and goals breed confidence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on January 10, 2016, 10:10:11 AM
Looks better than brown but is that saying much, should be looking at players from stronger leagues looks like we got mugged again

Stronger YES but like bobby he may just need time to settle & remember he has collected a fair few air miles since his arrival here.
 ??? I would have liked to have seen how it would have worked out playing them both up front for a while.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 10, 2016, 10:17:23 AM
People keep comparing him to Ideye but he was never given the minutes on the field that Rondon has and I think if we have him a second season chance he'd have more goals by now than Rondon and the two of them together could've forged a decent partnership IF supplied with chances.

Before he joined there was a Venezaulan (I think) who said he's a finisher, doesn't really play with his back to goal or make runs in behind. I personally don't think we've played to his strengths but the the way we've created more chances of late could give Rondon the chance to bury a few and hopefully build his confidence.

I don't know much about football outside of England but those who did were gobsmacked when we signed Salamon and I think we should give him more of a chance than Brown was given.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 10, 2016, 10:32:41 AM
Starting to think our best striker at the club is Anichebe...

Rondon works very hard - I'd expect that from anyone - but I'm not seeing much else to jump and shout about
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Floydy on January 10, 2016, 10:36:04 AM
The best striker at the club cintinues to be Berahino. His goal record proves it. Fir how ling though remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 10, 2016, 10:51:37 AM
We've got what we've got with Rondon.
I think we should stick with him for the rest of the season and hope this 'season of adjustment' lets him have a head start next season.
There's some players that need we need to stick with (Ron) and players that are past their sell by date (Ricky) either way we have to face facts and realise that for the amount we have to spend we will never be able to buy an Aguero off the shelf.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on January 10, 2016, 11:16:47 AM
Don't see it at all with Rondon I'm afraid. Another big money flop for me, if we end up with him, Lambert and Sick Vic as our only options we're in for a struggle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 10, 2016, 11:17:04 AM
The positive and negative is his finishing!

I said previous i dont think settling in is the issue, he is having the chances, he just cant hit a barn door (at the moment) thats nothing to do with league change, climate, etc he is getting involved and having chances.

Ideye never really seemed to get into positions to score goals or do much so with him you could say he hasnt settled, so the positive is Rondon is at least doing that, i think at the moment he would be described as a 'handful' but his finishing is awful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on January 10, 2016, 11:44:29 AM
Don't see it at all with Rondon I'm afraid. Another big money flop for me, if we end up with him, Lambert and Sick Vic as our only options we're in for a struggle.

We've relied on Rondon all season and we've done very well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 10, 2016, 01:23:23 PM
Starting to think our best striker at the club is Anichebe...

Rondon works very hard - I'd expect that from anyone - but I'm not seeing much else to jump and shout about

How worrying is that. :D

Seriously I don't rate Anichebe at all but his performance v Newcastle was excellent, far superior to anything Rondon has produced this season. Even a half arsed Berahino is a cut above anything else we have. Rondon looks a bit of a carthorse most of the time. Works hard, unsettles defenders but never looks like scoring. Interesting his goalscoring ratio was almost identical to that of Ideye. Are they not suited to this country or are they not suited to us? Time will tell but I don't think Rondon will be here in 18 months time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 02:52:09 PM
I disagree with everyone knocking Rondon.  He needs somebody with pace/decent finisher playing up with him.  Which isn't Lambert, isn't Anichebe and is unlikely to be Berahino.  Rondon can be a handful for any back four to handle but not if he is played on his own with no decent support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 11, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
he really needs to be putting chances away or at least testing the keeper,the chance Morrison created for him v Bristol was relatively easy,as anyone else noticed but his workrate drops when we play 442,i reckon he watches lambert walking about and thinks sod this im not closing the keeper and defenders down
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 12, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
I disagree with everyone knocking Rondon.  He needs somebody with pace/decent finisher playing up with him.  Which isn't Lambert, isn't Anichebe and is unlikely to be Berahino.  Rondon can be a handful for any back four to handle but not if he is played on his own with no decent support.

People aren't in general moaning about his all round play it's more when he gets decent opportunities like Spurs, Liverpool and again on Saturday he completely misses the target, at worst the keeper should have to make a save to he doesn't even hit the target. Someone playing up front with him isn't going to improve his inability to hit the target from 6 - 12 yards.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 12, 2016, 08:59:41 AM
I disagree with everyone knocking Rondon.  He needs somebody with pace/decent finisher playing up with him. Which isn't Lambert, isn't Anichebe and is unlikely to be Berahino.  Rondon can be a handful for any back four to handle but not if he is played on his own with no decent support.

That doesn't excuse his woeful finishing in front of goal when presented with one on one with keepers
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on January 12, 2016, 09:35:13 AM
People aren't in general moaning about his all round play it's more when he gets decent opportunities like Spurs, Liverpool and again on Saturday he completely misses the target, at worst the keeper should have to make a save to he doesn't even hit the target. Someone playing up front with him isn't going to improve his inability to hit the target from 6 - 12 yards.

And West Ham which was possibly less than 6 yards out
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 12, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
And West Ham which was possibly less than 6 yards out
that was saved though... hardly Kanu-esque.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on January 12, 2016, 09:42:04 AM
that was saved though... hardly Kanu-esque.

It was a good save but from where he was he shouldn't have given the keeper a chance
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on January 12, 2016, 02:47:19 PM
Rondom now needs to stop being a 'hard luck story'
He has been here long enough now to be settled in
He hasn't put in a performance anywhere near big Vics (one and only) effort
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on January 12, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
Rondom now needs to stop being a 'hard luck story'
He has been here long enough now to be settled in
He hasn't put in a performance anywhere near big Vics (one and only) effort

And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on January 12, 2016, 03:29:50 PM
And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do

Have to agree with that. I don't know how many folks on he have tried going to live somewhere with a completely different climate and culture? I have, I spent sometime working as a volunteer in a hospital in Indonesia.

Believe me, there are a lot of ups and downs in mood before you finally begin to settle in. It's not just as simple as doing the same job in a different place. It really isn't and it can be very tough indeed for some people. It took me almost 12 months to feel comfortable, so like Tom says, cut him some slack, it's likely to be next year before he really shows.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 12, 2016, 03:33:43 PM
And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do


I thought Drogba was massively overrated judging by his first season at Chelsea and I also remember singing to Benteke that he was a sh*t Emile Heskey not long after he first went to Villa. There are very few Odemwingie type players that seem to settle immediately.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2016, 03:37:15 PM
I thought Drogba was massively overrated judging by his first season at Chelsea and I also remember signing to Benteke that he was a sh*t Emile Heskey not long after he first went to Villa. There are very few Odemwingie type players that seem to settle immediately.

I never knew that Benteke is deaf  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 12, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
That kind of error happens when posting off a phone  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2016, 03:44:13 PM
That kind of error happens when posting off a phone  ;D

Sorry, it was a cheap shot, just made me laugh, no offence intended.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on January 12, 2016, 03:53:09 PM
Let's all get on Rondons back now then shall we. The same old moaners always trying to encourage and back West Brom players. OK Rondon has missed 3 or 4 relatively easy (from the stands or the computer screen at least) chances. Those of us with enough WBA supporting history saw even The King and Bomber sometimes miss one or two they would normally expect to score. Every striker struggles at some time especially when they are not getting too many opportunities or have to run their gonads off trying to make things happen for the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2016, 03:57:37 PM
I'd be more concerned if Rondon was not getting the chances, the goals will come.
Some strikers just seem to score in "batches" and then have periods when they struggle. It was ever thus!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 12, 2016, 04:07:58 PM
I look forward to his purple patch
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 12, 2016, 04:27:07 PM
All strikers need confidence and if and when he does score then perhaps he may go on a good run. However regardless of how long he takes to settle I can't see his woeful first touch improving. His hold up play for me just isn't good enough as the ball rarely sticks to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 12, 2016, 04:29:59 PM
And West Ham which was possibly less than 6 yards out

West ham was a header though it's his shooting that needs vast improvement; doesn't hit the target.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 12, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
All strikers need confidence and if and when he does score then perhaps he may go on a good run. However regardless of how long he takes to settle I can't see his woeful first touch improving. His hold up play for me just isn't good enough as the ball rarely sticks to him.

I think if we improved our passing that'd help. Our passing is diabolical.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 12, 2016, 05:58:07 PM
He needs to score asap for everyone's sake i dont care if it bounces of his rse but 3 goals isnt good enough and dont tell me he doesnt get chances 1 or 2 a game over 20 games he should do better than 3 come on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 12, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Have said previous that i would play Rondon as he is a handful and may be his donkey work creates chances for others (almost like a Heskey type) but based on his finishing, we need somebody else to weigh in with goals whether its a striker partner or goalscoring midfielder because he doesnt look a goalscorer.

Unfortunately he seems to miss at least one very good chance every game, and when he is not scoring either of course questions will be asked about his finishing. His record at other clubs isnt too bad, is so hopefully its just a barren spell and once he gets one however it comes then the goals will roll, but the fact he isnt hitting the target is the worry and maybe he just isnt a good finisher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on January 12, 2016, 09:15:22 PM
And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do

Agree partially but after 6 months of playing most games, (I accept that we don't create lots of chances,)but I am struggling to remember a shot on target
Is that too much to ask?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 12, 2016, 09:21:42 PM
Let's all get on Rondons back now then shall we. The same old moaners always trying to encourage and back West Brom players. OK Rondon has missed 3 or 4 relatively easy (from the stands or the computer screen at least) chances. Those of us with enough WBA supporting history saw even The King and Bomber sometimes miss one or two they would normally expect to score. Every striker struggles at some time especially when they are not getting too many opportunities or have to run their gonads off trying to make things happen for the team.
Ok , but he will still run faster than Lambert  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 12, 2016, 09:27:29 PM
I agree it is a worry that I can't remember seeing him hit the target other than with a header. With that said we simply don't create enough from midfield, although we should expect our striker to score some goals we can't expect him to always score when he has just one half decent chance every other game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
I agree it is a worry that I can't remember seeing him hit the target other than with a header. With that said we simply don't create enough from midfield, although we should expect our striker to score some goals we can't expect him to always score when he has just one half decent chance every other game.

Volley against Bournemouth forced a great save. Ask Arsenal fans what they thought of Thierry in his first season  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on January 12, 2016, 10:08:16 PM
I think he'll come good especially if we keep playing more on the front foot as of late.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 13, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
I said this when he was signed and I'll say it again: Rondon will not be his most effective with his back against the goal, out on an island, and definitely not spending most of his energy running around without the ball because he has to account for being the only man up front without a lot of support.

Rondon is a goal-scorer because he works hard inside and outside the box and as a result is often in scoring position, is a load to deal with because of his strength, and is very good in the air game. Read that description over. How many EPL teams would want someone like that? He's not going to get the ball 35-40 yards out and dribble past the back 4 and score. If you feed him, he'll score, he'll be ready. But what he's being asked to do at WBA? That's not going to result on a lot of goals. However, I've seen him have a positive impact on TP's gameplan even if he only has 3 goals so far.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on January 14, 2016, 10:29:43 AM
Unfortunately, he has got the ball in good positions in recent games and his shooting hasn't been good enough. Could just be low confidence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 14, 2016, 11:02:40 AM
i thought we played much better with him on the pitch last night than off it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 14, 2016, 11:15:48 AM
I said this when he was signed and I'll say it again: Rondon will not be his most effective with his back against the goal, out on an island, and definitely not spending most of his energy running around without the ball because he has to account for being the only man up front without a lot of support.

Rondon is a goal-scorer because he works hard inside and outside the box and as a result is often in scoring position, is a load to deal with because of his strength, and is very good in the air game. Read that description over. How many EPL teams would want someone like that? He's not going to get the ball 35-40 yards out and dribble past the back 4 and score. If you feed him, he'll score, he'll be ready. But what he's being asked to do at WBA? That's not going to result on a lot of goals. However, I've seen him have a positive impact on TP's gameplan even if he only has 3 goals so far.
More to a modern strikers game than goals. Who cares who scores as long as we get the performances and results that we want.
He's adapting with every game and his attitude appears superb, does need to improve his finishing, but not that bothered about the lack of goals just now.
The other positive is that if he continues to contribute without scoring too many, he won't be poached by a bigger club. Stay under the radar Sal.  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 14, 2016, 12:08:08 PM
More to a modern strikers game than goals. Who cares who scores as long as we get the performances and results that we want.
He's adapting with every game and his attitude appears superb, does need to improve his finishing, but not that bothered about the lack of goals just now.
The other positive is that if he continues to contribute without scoring too many, he won't be poached by a bigger club. Stay under the radar Sal.  ;)

I agree with this up to a point but if he had taken the chances against Spurs and Liverpool we may have had all 3 points, so his missing could be costing us points in that respect. I like him though and appreciate his effort and really hope the goals start to come for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 14, 2016, 03:04:51 PM
I thought he was huge last night, his defensive contribution was massive.
Yes we want our CF scoring goals and he isn't, but if he is occupying 2 defenders and creating holes for the Midfield to exploit, so be it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 14, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Much better last night and we lost a bit of impetus when he went off. He should be hitting the target though with his shot on the turn in the first half for me. He did the hard bit with a great dummy but the finish let him down again. Watching the stream last night he was the only Albion player in the picture many times. Just proves how little support he gets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 14, 2016, 03:58:38 PM
if rondon had scored 10=12 goals so far this season every club in the prem would be after him, think he will better as well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 14, 2016, 04:14:21 PM
if rondon had scored 10=12 goals so far this season every club in the prem would be after him, think he will better as well
I think he will be better next season especially if we play to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 17, 2016, 08:38:53 PM
Every game i look at him and think he's going to start scoring soon ....... :'(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 17, 2016, 09:22:24 PM
I think he will be better next season especially if we play to him.

That's what I'm consoling myself with as well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 19, 2016, 09:22:26 AM
Brown Idye instead anyone?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on January 19, 2016, 09:38:02 AM
No.

Ideye has done nothing in his career.

Rondon has scored goals in Russia & at international level, he will come good. Not his fault our midfielders are clowns.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 19, 2016, 09:41:10 AM
Brown Idye instead anyone?

Can't be serious?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 19, 2016, 09:42:19 AM
You can play any striker in the world up front for us but if they only get something like one chance a game on average they are never going to have a great goal return. Rondon probably should have done a little better with some of the chances he's had with us but I don't see the point in writing him off just yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 19, 2016, 09:49:35 AM
You can play any striker in the world up front for us but if they only get something like one chance a game on average they are never going to have a great goal return. Rondon probably should have done a little better with some of the chances he's had with us but I don't see the point in writing him off just yet.

Agree with that conclusion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 19, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
Against Southampton we had no one in view of whichever the midfield was stood in pompey I thought, they was that far apart.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 19, 2016, 09:55:50 AM
I personnally didnt say i preferred Brown over Rondon, someone mentioned it on WM last night
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 19, 2016, 10:10:38 AM
You can play any striker in the world up front for us but if they only get something like one chance a game on average they are never going to have a great goal return. Rondon probably should have done a little better with some of the chances he's had with us but I don't see the point in writing him off just yet.

You're right, even the best strikers miss chances every week but they usually get 3 or 4 on a plate. I think Realistically he should have double his tally but i wouldn't hold it against him and i hope he's given a chance to settle and enjoy a second season. He'd benefit from a more creative player in the number 10 role and genuine wingers on both sides.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 19, 2016, 12:49:14 PM
No.

Ideye has done nothing in his career.

Rondon has scored goals in Russia & at international level, he will come good. Not his fault our midfielders are clowns.

121 goals in 302 apps - hardly nothing is it?

Personally I didn't rate him but he won't be the first player to do well before and after coming here yet flop with us. Rondon will be the same IMO and you have the likes of Valero and Rosenberg who also didn't hit it off here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 19, 2016, 12:58:17 PM
The only difference between Rondon and Ideye so far is Rondon can actually head the ball.

I never thought that Ideye wasn't good enough, merely that he didn't suit the Premier League, and I'm starting to think the same about Rondon. He's been bought as a big, battering-ram centre forward, in the old English style, but he doesn't seem cut out for it.

I doubt he'll be here next season tbh.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 19, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
121 goals in 302 apps - hardly nothing is it?

Personally I didn't rate him but he won't be the first player to do well before and after coming here yet flop with us. Rondon will be the same IMO and you have the likes of Valero and Rosenberg who also didn't hit it off here.

If you are going to compare the two you have to take into account the quality of the leagues they have played in and I don't think there is any doubt that Rondon has played in stronger leagues than Ideye has.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on January 19, 2016, 01:34:11 PM
Rondon hasn't had it easy. Forced to play up on his own, having to jet around the world for international duty. It's been pretty difficult for him but he's done well, he has just lacked goals.

The second season may see him come good. I'd stick with him for now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on January 19, 2016, 01:51:03 PM
No point in comparing Ideye and Rondon, apart from the fact they are both foreign strikers bought for silly money there really is little comparison.

For what it's worth I'm far from convinced by Rondon. Decent in the air but despite the lack of service and poor tactics, he's still managed less goals than Berahino in probably double the amount of minutes on the pitch if not more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on January 19, 2016, 02:48:46 PM
I would have liked to have seen them both given more time together & to settle into the team & league.
I would have loved to have seen us play Solomon,Bobby & Saido up front to :-* :( :( :(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on January 19, 2016, 04:41:36 PM
I think that rondon is a clever player and he will Get better,he's just what we need,he's quality he needs the service,he's 10 times the player ideye was.why do so many so called fans complain? What do some expect?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on January 19, 2016, 04:43:18 PM
Rondon only needs a number 10 and a winger to work with
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 19, 2016, 04:43:27 PM
I think that rondon is a clever player and he will Get better,he's just what we need,he's quality he needs the service,he's 10 times the player ideye was.why do so many so called fans complain? What do some expect?

Take one of he's chances that's presented to him, I like him I think he would do well with a Berahino type player in an attacking side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 19, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Rondon only needs a number 10 and a winger to work with

Will that improve his first touch and finishing too?  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2016, 08:23:06 PM
Awful first touch, rubbish at shooting, no real pace, can't hold ball up, can't link with midfield, no football nous, 3 goals in 16 games which is shocking. Yes the service is dire but he is just as bad. He can attack a cross that is it. The sort of player I'd expect for a £1-£2m outlay. Wouldn't set the championship on fire which sums it up. A disastrous signing all round. Yes he scored in Russia for their dominant team. Bit like managing 15 goals as a striker for Celtic. In summary a colossal waste of money and an embarrassment to the scouts / football director / board / manager.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on January 19, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
I hope that he proves me wrong but Rondon will never be a goal scorer at premier league level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on January 19, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
I hope that he proves me wrong but Rondon will never be a goal scorer at premier league level.

Not with Pulis tactics he won't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
He wouldn't score goals with Mowbray in charge, Pulis is negative and a bore but the player isn't good enough. Just look at the goals / game ration between him and Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on January 19, 2016, 09:01:09 PM
just scored  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on January 19, 2016, 09:09:38 PM
It worked come on Salomon lets go on a scoring run now including premier league games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2016, 09:33:13 PM
Glad he scored but very unimpressed with him and the team generally.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 19, 2016, 09:45:32 PM
Amazing how quick players get wrote off on here at times.

How about we let the bloke get used to the country as well as the football and see how he goes next season, not all players take to a different league straight away.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on January 19, 2016, 09:55:20 PM
Will see the best of Ronni next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 19, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
Will see the best of Ronni next season

Hope so, there is one hell of a striker in there somewhere!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 19, 2016, 10:18:49 PM
Will see the best of Ronni next season
I thought the same about Ideye Brown...but then we sold him  :'(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on January 19, 2016, 10:25:19 PM
Ronni is better than ideye I believe he will be great once he settles in the country & gets first season under his belt
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on January 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Hope so, there is one hell of a striker in there somewhere!

Hope you are right but it can't see it TBH
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 19, 2016, 11:06:35 PM
Ronni is better than ideye I believe he will be great once he settles in the country & gets first season under his belt
I think Ideye could of done a job this season with better service than he had last season, as the 2nd half of last season we were just scrapping for points to stay up and he was isolated a lot.

With us now playing further up the pitch I think we would of seen more from Ideye IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 20, 2016, 11:49:11 AM
Great control and finish for his goal last night.

Not sure we exactly play to his strengths lumping it up to him as he just doesn't compete well enough in the air and the majority of the time it would make no difference as we have no players withing 20-yards of him anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on January 20, 2016, 11:52:22 AM
All goals he has scored have come from crosses into the box - we need to get more crosses into him. If we do this, I reckon he will get plenty!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 20, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
Good finish from him took it well and looked very relieved too!

I think Evans said after the players were pleased for him so maybe the missed chances had been playing on his mind, hopefully he can relax now and the goals flow!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Nailed on to score against the Villa, he will come good. I'm sure of it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 20, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
He's a forward with ability and he'll finish moves - 17 of his 18 goals last season were within 12 yards. Absolutely essential we make opportunities for him. Sadly relying on crosses from wide to him gets predictable and teams can expect them and defend them. Mix our game up somewhat (only attacking chances yesterday came from wide) and hopefully when we do cross it in it's less predictable. It's a catch 22 situation.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 20, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
Best thing about Rondon is he makes Big Vic look half decent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 20, 2016, 02:42:43 PM
Chuffed for the lad the goal celebration said it all ;like a mountain being lifted from his shoulders.Cant question his genuine intent to good for the Albion time to get behind him I hope he score on Saturday that would worth its weight in gold.Nice and composed finnish good job Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2016, 02:43:31 PM
Hatrick on Saturday :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2016, 04:14:47 PM
Good finish from him took it well and looked very relieved too!

I think Evans said after the players were pleased for him so maybe the missed chances had been playing on his mind, hopefully he can relax now and the goals flow!

I thought that after his goals v Norwich and Leicester. A well taken goal last night but lets not forget we were playing a side who will most likely be in League 1 next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 04:18:22 PM
I thought that after his goals v Norwich and Leicester. A well taken goal last night but lets not forget we were playing a side who will most likely be in League 1 next season.

Winning and scoring breed confidence , doesn't really matter on opposition for strikers 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 20, 2016, 04:58:25 PM
Took his goal well but still misses the target too often
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2016, 08:12:25 PM
Hatrick on Saturday :o
Is my feeling too, I think when he clicks some teams will suffer..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 21, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
Is my feeling too, I think when he clicks some teams will suffer..
You think we'll create 3 chances  :o
Bit early to be on the grog mate... ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 23, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
Tony has sent him for some blood tests after he said he is feeling tired, Hope he comes back from them and don't decide to do a runner  :D got to do 10 laps round the pitch tomorrow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on January 23, 2016, 10:03:43 PM
It says something that when over half a season has gone we still can't make a conclusive judgement on him. No striker with any common sense would sign for us - unless they were desperate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 23, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
I can make a conclusive judgement on him, he is useless. Get rid, his three game ban was a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
as I put in the after match debate, he's doing about as well as can be expected to in the way we approach games.

Before the season, I said that 5-8 would be a great season for him and he's gotten 4 so far in all competitions. I wouldn't be surprised if his next goal was in late March...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 10:36:54 PM
if its our style that doesn't suit him, why haven't we found one that does. wouldn't you normally try and build around your record signing.
I see him as a slight improvement on ideye nothing more than that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 23, 2016, 10:41:00 PM
We don't play to our player's strengths, they adapt to our coaches "style".
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
if its our style that doesn't suit him, why haven't we found one that does. wouldn't you normally try and build around your record signing.
I see him as a slight improvement on ideye nothing more than that
Honestly, Rondon DOES!!

he tracks back and is good defensively, throws 110% into almost every game, provides variety as he can get on crosses, he can get in behind teams and he can hold a ball up, just not as long as a larger player such as Anichebe, for example.

There isn't a stiker that I personally know of that would be as close to what Pulis wants, other than Rondon and shane Long. Long's problem however is his overall height,  inability to hold a ball from a player all that well, injury record and the fact he's such a diver he makes CMac and Sess look like innocent.

Our system is currently at an extreme of defensive cowardice, to the point the striker is expected to defend corners, you cannot expect a striker of any caliber to be able to work sufficiently in that environment and get double figures. His job is be a pain in the backside, defend and get corners. That's about it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:10:36 PM
basically...
Pullis has killed him as a player who can perform.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:13:50 PM
basically...
Pullis has killed him as a player who can perform.
not necessarily, just that he's doing about as well as expected.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on January 23, 2016, 11:24:57 PM
Honestly, Rondon DOES!!

he tracks back and is good defensively, throws 110% into almost every game, provides variety as he can get on crosses, he can get in behind teams and he can hold a ball up, just not as long as a larger player such as Anichebe, for example.

There isn't a stiker that I personally know of that would be as close to what Pulis wants, other than Rondon and shane Long. Long's problem however is his overall height,  inability to hold a ball from a player all that well, injury record and the fact he's such a diver he makes CMac and Sess look like innocent.

Our system is currently at an extreme of defensive cowardice, to the point the striker is expected to defend corners, you cannot expect a striker of any caliber to be able to work sufficiently in that environment and get double figures. His job is be a pain in the backside, defend and get corners. That's about it.

Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on January 23, 2016, 11:30:33 PM
I don't think any striker has scored more than 10 goals in a season playing for Pulis, I have no idea why anyone would expect Rondon to be any different.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 23, 2016, 11:48:21 PM
Granted the service is non-existent and he's isolated but he is still utter rubbish. He can't control the ball or shoot. His only turn of pace is when he's running off the pitch when subbed. The fact that his link play is non-existsnt doesn't help the midfield push up and support him. Note when he out suspended we looked more threatening and had more play. Not because Anichebe or Lambert carried much of a goal threat but because they could as least link with the midfield to allow the team time to move up the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2016, 12:01:21 AM
Granted the service is non-existent and he's isolated but he is still utter rubbish. He can't control the ball or shoot. His only turn of pace is when he's running off the pitch when subbed. The fact that his link play is non-existsnt doesn't help the midfield push up and support him. Note when he out suspended we looked more threatening and had more play. Not because Anichebe or Lambert carried much of a goal threat but because they could as least link with the midfield to allow the team time to move up the pitch.

I'm sad to say that I think you could be right. However I dont think we can really give him too hard a time because playing in this team is impossible for a striker. He gets very very few chances which increases the pressure on him when he does get a chance. I feel sorry for him to be honest and have been willing him to score more, but chances are few and far between.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2016, 12:17:09 AM
we have probably wasted 12m quid,but id still rather have him than vic or lambert
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 24, 2016, 12:31:50 AM
we have probably wasted 12m quid,but id still rather have him than vic or lambert

If Rondon gets rested at the weekend then the thought of Lambert and anichebe makes me want to stay in London and not come up for it to be honest.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on January 24, 2016, 01:43:24 AM
I've actually come to the point with Rondon where I actually prefer Brown Ideye and that is seriously saying something.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 24, 2016, 02:19:45 AM
So we expect goals from Rondon but we aren't saying anything about the lack of service he has during games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: collins101 on January 24, 2016, 03:25:26 AM
Nobody playing upfront for us will score goals with the way play. All Rondon can do is chase long balls into the corners because that's all we do !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on January 24, 2016, 07:06:01 AM
I really do feel bad for any player playing as a striker under Pulis and Rondon is no exception. Yet, I just cant help myself feeling disappointed with Rondon's overall performance as a goal scorer which is what we broke our transfer fee to bring him here to do. Sure were frustratingly ultra defensive and most games lack any kind of descent service from the mid-field to our strikers but for 12M I expect more than (3) league goals from him with a little bit more than half the season behind us. Berahino has played 600 minutes less than Rondon this season and has the same goal tally in league games. Out of the (39) shots Rondon has taken only (11) have been on target as opposed to Berahino who has (6) shots on target from a total of (15) taken. Last season I believe Berahino scored (14) league goals (9) of them coming in the second half of the season under Pulis, at this rate Rondon will be lucky to have more than 7-8 all season. I'll admit Pulis didnt have us playing this negative after he was appointed but nonetheless you cant help but wonder how many of these draws might have been wins if SB had taken Rondon's (39) shots. Even with a bit of attitude and what some would describe as half hearted performances Saido has the same amount of goals as a 100% effort, hustling likeable Rondon. I say give the kid some starts and let him do what we know he can do and that is score goals as the alternative is scrapping for survival. Starting, playing and scoring goals will correct any attitude he may have and cross the fingers he don't get hurt and even if he does and his selling price is reduced, so what!! Any reduction in fees for Berahino due to an injury will be nothing compared to what we will lose if relegated!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2016, 01:45:04 PM
the one shot he tried yesterday 2nd half into the Birmingham rd end was a ridiculous effort he hit it first time and he wasn't nowhere near in line with their goal,he was one on one he had time to trap the ball and turn inside the defender,on the rare occasion we do attack and move forward he never seems to be in the right place in the box,not forgetting he has missed a few excellent chances this season,hate to say this but about on par with idye except that idye had more pace
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: graka on January 24, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
If you look at his goals on line lots of crosses. We haven't got any quality out wide. No proper full backs so he ends up on his own against 3 or 4 defenders. He certainly doesn't look like a 12 million pound player but given the service you never know.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on January 24, 2016, 02:55:24 PM
So we expect goals from Rondon but we aren't saying anything about the lack of service he has during games

Agreed about the lack of service, especially how deep we were in that second half against the Villa yesterday.

However, 'the lack of service' line doesn't excuse him for his horrendous first touch. How many times this season has the ball just bounced off him - he consistently loses the ball. It's all just hustle and bustle. I don't buy into the fact that he is this ultimate hard worker every game in which he plays. The lack of movement at times when the ball is about to be put into the box, or be looked to be slipped through, is poor.

The striker situation is becoming rather worrying.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rondon ask for a move at the end of the season, WBAFC are not helping his career or international aspirations IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on January 24, 2016, 03:11:57 PM
i dont think it is at all possible to judge how good or otherwise a striker is when we set up and play the way we do - to say nothing of a remarkable lack of quality or creativeness in midfield or from our "full backs"! I feel sorry for Rondon - mostly he needs binoculars to see the nearest albion player!

on a slightly different not i should hope all those who were slagging Shane Long off on here are maybe thinking "be careful what you wish for"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 03:36:20 PM
i dont think it is at all possible to judge how good or otherwise a striker is when we set up and play the way we do - to say nothing of a remarkable lack of quality or creativeness in midfield or from our "full backs"! I feel sorry for Rondon - mostly he needs binoculars to see the nearest albion player!

on a slightly different not i should hope all those who were slagging Shane Long off on here are maybe thinking "be careful what you wish for"

Not at all. Rondon is a much better player than Long.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on January 24, 2016, 03:41:59 PM
Not at all. Rondon is a much better player than Long.

very hard to tell at the moment and i have no idea how you think you have evidence for that - or for plenty of other opinions for that matter!!!!!

. one thing is for sure is Long better suited to how we play at present. although the poor bloke would be absolutely knackered and by end of season he would be about 5'1"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 03:45:50 PM
very hard to tell at the moment and i have no idea how you think you have evidence for that - or for plenty of other opinions for that matter!!!!!

. one thing is for sure is Long better suited to how we play at present. although the poor bloke would be absolutely knackered and by end of season he would be about 5'1"

Not sure how you figure that because aside from his 1 in 5 scoring rate Long's worst attribute is holding up the ball/awful first touch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on January 24, 2016, 03:50:29 PM
and Rondon has first class first touch???

does he hold the ball up well??? answer no!!

goals to game ratio - no difference

And anyway all i was saying is its hard to judge any striker at present. Might as well have The Jacko up front
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 24, 2016, 04:53:26 PM
Honestly, Rondon DOES!!

he tracks back and is good defensively, throws 110% into almost every game, provides variety as he can get on crosses, he can get in behind teams and he can hold a ball up, just not as long as a larger player such as Anichebe, for example.

There isn't a stiker that I personally know of that would be as close to what Pulis wants, other than Rondon and shane Long. Long's problem however is his overall height,  inability to hold a ball from a player all that well, injury record and the fact he's such a diver he makes CMac and Sess look like innocent.

Our system is currently at an extreme of defensive cowardice, to the point the striker is expected to defend corners, you cannot expect a striker of any caliber to be able to work sufficiently in that environment and get double figures. His job is be a pain in the backside, defend and get corners. That's about it.

The accuracy of this post is uncanny
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggybazza on January 24, 2016, 05:12:23 PM
Well i,ll be the 1st to admit i,m no Rondon supporter atm, He,a lacking everything a striker needs  Confidence, courage , support,and GOALS!!.
But i have just seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4.
So my beloved baggies play to the lads strenghths and lets see if we can turn this dour, boring, rubbish , season into some thing to shout about for the remaining home games!.
Because i for 1 wont be renewing my season ticket next year if i,m going to have to watch this sh!!! week in week out .
Yesterday performance or lack off was the last straw for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2016, 05:34:31 PM
Well i,ll be the 1st to admit i,m no Rondon supporter atm, He,a lacking everything a striker needs  Confidence, courage , support,and GOALS!!.
But i have just seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4.
So my beloved baggies play to the lads strenghths and lets see if we can turn this dour, boring, rubbish , season into some thing to shout about for the remaining home games!.
The key things from Rondon's 2014-15 goal compilation for me are:

- Rondon most likes the ball at his feet, facing the goal
- Zenit played with other players making central runs past Rondon, enabling opportunities for swift inter-passing
- Zenit counter-attacked with pace and incisiveness
- For almost all of the goals scored from open play, Rondon had 2 or more team-mates with him in the penalty area, meaning he was less tightly marked

Serious questions need to be asked of the club as to why they sign strikers like Rondon and Ideye, knowing what their strengths are, and then don't make any attempt to play to those strengths? The outcome is inevitable and, having made that mistake with Ideye, we're doing it again with Rondon. Instead, Pulis seems to be intent on moulding Rondon into something else which, on current evidence, doesn't suit him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 24, 2016, 07:51:19 PM
Not sure how you figure that because aside from his 1 in 5 scoring rate Long's worst attribute is holding up the ball/awful first touch.
Shane Long took us apart when we played Southampton, he is also far better than Rondon in the air. i am not having a go at Rondon i think/ hope he will come good, but Pulis as said he is tired and needs a  couple of weeks rest!! i find this amazing especially when he as already had a three game rest for his stupid red card.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 24, 2016, 08:00:45 PM
If i was Rondon id want out ASAP.

He is being taken for a C U Next Tuesday. No support all season. I feel sorry for the chap.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on January 24, 2016, 08:08:39 PM
People say about his hard work but I see this as a bit of a myth for me he does plenty of quantity not much quality work and wastes too much energy so that when he needs to show in the right place he is knackered . The team should be doing pattern play in training so that when the ball is in a certain area of the pitch Rondon knows where he should be . I don't think we work on it at all . I said on way home yesterday maybe he would benefit from the coaching and insight of someone who has played up front at this level pretty much like the goodman and Pearson scenario from way back .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
Not sure how you figure that because aside from his 1 in 5 scoring rate Long's worst attribute is holding up the ball/awful first touch.
didn't long score 2 scorchers against the villa playing on his own,rondom couldn't manage a shot,we sold long for a profit we aint got a chance of offloading rondon for anywhere need what we paid
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
didn't long score 2 scorchers against the villa playing on his own,rondom couldn't manage a shot,we sold long for a profit we aint got a chance of offloading rondon for anywhere need what we paid

One cost 3 million one cost 12 million  ???

Long's goals against Villa were the exception not the rule, I was astonished when he controlled that one over his shoulder and slotted, great goal, but he couldn't do it again if you gave him the same ball another 50 times.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
I think it's so SO obvious that Rondon's lack of confidence and goals is not his fault. Watching that compilation shows that he needs the ball to played to him early and incisively. Oh and into his feet rather than constantly aimed towards his chest/head.

The problem with us at the moment, and it was abundantly clear versus Villa, is that we never capitalise on openings and mistakes, never. If we go to play the early ball, we screw it up, if there's a chance to put an early cross in when the defenders are flat footed, we don't do it and we sit so deep that when Rondon receives a hopeful punt he has 2 central defenders and 2 defensive midfielders around him while blue and white shirts are usually at least 20 yards away.

All of the above means that when we do actually get that one opening and a chance is made for him the pressure is on him so much to get it right.

When we get chances to catch teams out, Sess tries one trick too many, Gardner is just awful, Yacob generally needs a playmaker (we don't have any) nearby and McClean is hit and miss.

We need to upgrade Sess, McClean, Morrison and not start Yac and Fletcher together AND stop playing so deep before we see an improvement in Rondon's goal return.

I'm by no means saying the above are bad players but you have to build a team around goals (goals = wins) and we need our "attacking" players to fit our 12 million pound striker.

I'd be happy with Fletcher or Yacob alongside Morrison but ultimately we need an upgrade on one of them. Then the three attacking midfielders need to be a proper winger on the right (Phillips from QPR would be great) who's powerful and puts in early balls, a more dynamic 'in the pocket' player like De Guzman or even Sess (Morrison is even ok here but not with Yacob AND Fletcher behind) and i accept McClean on the left but i do think he lacks the quality we need, although tip of the hat to him, he works 'ard and he has improved vastly and does offer value for money.

So the cheapest way of improving Rondon in my eyes would be:

             Fletcher/Yacob                Moz

Phillips/New winger        Sess/New no.10      McClean
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 24, 2016, 11:46:03 PM
Its a catch 22, if the problem with Rondon is physical it will show up in these blood tests but would be surprised because as somebody said above he had a two break at xmas.

I wonder if some of it is pyschological, he came as our record signing, for clubs like ours we need them to hit the ground running, for the first couple of months he was flying all over the world and struggled to get going.

I think his performances in general have been okay until lately but he looks void of confidence now and is getting worse, i am not sure he is a natural goalscorer but will probably get 6 or 8 a season.

His finishing has been poor but i have sympathy with him, when he was out we tried to play football and looked a decent team, we did the same at Chelsea when he played too but other than that the 4 games since he came back we have gone back to hoof and chase and everyone 20 yards behind him and i imagine it must be very downheartening for him playing that way when he has more to offer.

For the rest of the seasons games, If we play more often like we did yesterday i would expect he will be moved on either at his request or the clubs at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
I wonder if some of it is pyschological, he came as our record signing, for clubs like ours we need them to hit the ground running, for the first couple of months he was flying all over the world and struggled to get going.

I think his performances in general have been okay until lately but he looks void of confidence now and is getting worse, i am not sure he is a natural goalscorer but will probably get 6 or 8 a season.

His finishing has been poor but i have sympathy with him, when he was out we tried to play football and looked a decent team, we did the same at Chelsea when he played too but other than that the 4 games since he came back we have gone back to hoof and chase and everyone 20 yards behind him and i imagine it must be very downheartening for him playing that way when he has more to offer.

For the rest of the seasons games, If we play more often like we did yesterday i would expect he will be moved on either at his request or the clubs at the end of the season.

See my above post. We just don't play to his strengths at all, even Pulis defended the long ball and you could here him shouting at the players to pump it upfield v Bristol City. If Pulis was behind the signing then it's a massive fail on his part. We may as well play Anichebe when fit (ha!) to be honest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 24, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
I feel sorry for him to be honest but I don't think he's helping himself. He has very little movement, is poor in the air, gets out-muscled far too easily, hasn't got any noticble pace and his finishing has been poor.

The down side for him is that we provide very little service from out wide. Usually because we're playing make shift wingers, and we also sit so deep there's never anybody around him anyway.

I think we would have been better off signing someone like Cameron Jerome/Jon Walters and using that £12million or whatever it was on a  bloody good midfielder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2016, 11:55:26 PM
In fact we may as well have just kept Ideye, he's probably have the same amount of goals at least. All of Pulis' sentiments about settling in time could all have been applied to Ideye last year but instead Pulis decided to move him along and now back his own signing.

Argh i'm having a bit of an anti-Pulis moment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Rondon looks a much better player than Ideye to me. Rondon just needs support. Support would create chances. Chances create goals. Goals breed confidence. Confidence breeds more goals.

Foe example, Vardy couldn't hit a barn door last year , then with good players around him and confidence he looks like the bionic Man!

On paper Rondon and Berahinho up front with McLean and CMc on the wings should've worked well.

He needs a partner/ foil......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 09:51:24 AM
I feel sorry for him to be honest but I don't think he's helping himself. He has very little movement, is poor in the air, gets out-muscled far too easily, hasn't got any noticble pace and his finishing has been poor.

The down side for him is that we provide very little service from out wide. Usually because we're playing make shift wingers, and we also sit so deep there's never anybody around him anyway.

I think we would have been better off signing someone like Cameron Jerome/Jon Walters and using that £12million or whatever it was on a  bloody good midfielder.

Other than that he's brilliant. ;D

Seriously I do agree with all that you've posted here. It's the fault of TP to sign a player that doesn't fit his system. That said from what I've seen he doesn't look like he'd fit any system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
Not sure where the very little movement comment comes from, he is absolutely knackered each game from running and chasing. At the weekend he spent too much time covering and doing the chasing work for Sess and McClean.

He needs to develop a ruthless streak and put himself in there more instead of being the nice guy.

I think he is a much better player than Brown Ideye and will come good. Saw him a few times watching Malaga on Sky to see he is upto it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on January 25, 2016, 11:13:13 AM
He needs to learn to control the ball TBH.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 12:39:46 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-having-10778948

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Both intersting and offer a bit of insight rather than "he's rubbish" etc  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2016, 12:53:07 PM
Lewisant said above , and I quote, you have to build a team around goals (goals = wins)

Well, thats one philosiphy another is "you have to build your team around not conceding goals, not conceding = draws at worst and wins at best.

I suspect our current managers strategy is the latter.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 25, 2016, 02:45:06 PM
Really wish people would get off his back. It really feels like many just made a snap judgement on his goals/game ratio and then work off a confirmation bias moan around this. For example the 'lack of movement' moan I found borderline hilarious.

I must admit I feel really sorry for the lad to only ever feed off aimless hoofs in his vague direction, and then when he does manage to impressively collect, there are no West Brom players within 30 yards of him and as a result surrounded by 2/3 defenders! How is anyone supposed to 'make their own chances' from this setup?

Regardless, who would you really drop him for? Is it really that much of a coincidence that Anichebe, Berahino and Lambert have also all struggled up front too this season (to put it mildly)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 25, 2016, 02:56:45 PM
The Rondon transfer was a real coup for the club, I know some may chortle at the suggestion now but I’m still confident he will come good, however I don’t believe we will see the best of him until next season.  It take players time to adapt, people forget that after Modric’s first season at Spurs people said he wasn’t up to the Premier League, its only recently Ozil has been widely accepted as success at Arsenal, infact there’s dozens of examples; Koscielny, Monreal, Willian off the top of my head, all had a prolonged period where they learnt to adapt to the English game.  Mahrez another one, he wasn’t half the force last season that he is now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-having-10778948

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Both intersting and offer a bit of insight rather than "he's rubbish" etc  ::)

You have to laugh. I don't know what team that 'Russian Football expert' has been watching but he has us down as playing with natural wingers!
Apart from Mcmanaman and Brunty, nether who figure there consistantly, have we got a natural winger on the books?

That said I do agree that we need to keep him here and hope we can develop a style of play where the midfield  gets to support the striker more quickly on a more consistent basis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:10:28 PM
The Rondon transfer was a real coup for the club, I know some may chortle at the suggestion now but I’m still confident he will come good, however I don’t believe we will see the best of him until next season.  It take players time to adapt, people forget that after Modric’s first season at Spurs people said he wasn’t up to the Premier League, its only recently Ozil has been widely accepted as success at Arsenal, infact there’s dozens of examples; Koscielny, Monreal, Willian off the top of my head, all had a prolonged period where they learnt to adapt to the English game.  Mahrez another one, he wasn’t half the force last season that he is now.

He's an excellent player who needs time to adapt, the travelling won't be helping him either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 03:12:55 PM
He's an excellent player who needs time to adapt, the travelling won't be helping him either.

with the right players around him, not 9 players chasing after the ball and him living off scraps. we have the players who could supply him but they are sat on the bench.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on January 25, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Feel sorry for the guy, People are coming out and saying he is rubbish dont realise the system Zenit play is totally different to ours. 1st season at the club and in a new country, needs to be given a bit of time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
with the right players around him, not 9 players chasing after the ball and him living off scraps. we have the players who could supply him but they are sat on the bench.

So he's not a bad signing then?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 03:16:31 PM
So he's not a bad signing then?

there is no evidence to say that it is a good signing AT THE MINUTE.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:22:14 PM
there is no evidence to say that it is a good signing AT THE MINUTE.

Or that it's a bad one.......Although i'd argue several good performances means that he has contributed this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 25, 2016, 03:28:43 PM
we had the same issue with Ideye, we don't play a style that suits Rondon. we didn't play a style that suited Ideye.

I'd be hard pressed at the moment to identify what style we do play other than defend.

we lack quality in almost every position on the pitch.

we also lack pace throughout the whole team, we play a deep defensive system which relies on counter attacking for any kind of attack other than lumping it forward.

when we do lump it forward it is never anywhere near Rondon so he has to go chasing it.

our ball retention is quite frankly a joke and when we do have the ball our passing is atrocious
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 25, 2016, 04:12:24 PM
our ball retention is quite frankly a joke and when we do have the ball our passing is atrocious

I can only agree.
Fletcher and Olsson are the biggest culprits.
Olsson can only hoof.
Fletcher talks (shouts) a good game, but most times that is it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 04:15:15 PM
Or that it's a bad one.......Although i'd argue several good performances means that he has contributed this season.

hes paid to score goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on January 25, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
He is clearly a talented lad and I am hoping he comes good. Service to him at the moment is poor, but on Saturday he had a couple of balls put through to him the he either failed to control or just got plain muscled out of it. For all his running around, what does it achieve?

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 25, 2016, 04:24:03 PM
our ball retention is quite frankly a joke and when we do have the ball our passing is atrocious

I can only agree.
Fletcher and Olsson are the biggest culprits.
Olsson can only hoof.
Fletcher talks (shouts) a good game, but most times that is it.

Disagree, Dawson has by far the worst distribution in the squad, useless. Couldn't pick his nose let alone a pass. Crossfield ball 15 yards infront of Evans was laughable the weekend
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 04:55:53 PM
Disagree, Dawson has by far the worst distribution in the squad, useless. Couldn't pick his nose let alone a pass. Crossfield ball 15 yards infront of Evans was laughable the weekend

Not quite as bad a s Vic mistaking a claret and blue shirt for a blue and white striped one towards the end.

I think Olsson and McAuley would be the two most guilty at this club for poor distribution, its been the same since we signed them. Dawson puts decent balls across the area for a full back that doesn't get past the half way line.



To try and get back to Rondon, give the bloke a chance and time to see whether he can do it, who knows ?? there is talent there and a bit more than just running round.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 05:02:51 PM
Not quite as bad a s Vic mistaking a claret and blue shirt for a blue and white striped one towards the end.

I think Olsson and McAuley would be the two most guilty at this club for poor distribution, its been the same since we signed them. Dawson puts decent balls across the area for a full back that doesn't get past the half way line.



To try and get back to Rondon, give the bloke a chance and time to see whether he can do it, who knows ?? there is talent there and a bit more than just running round.

I struggle to see anything more than hustle and bustle from him. He's slow, first touch is poor, doesn't hold it up well enough and not that great in the air. The less said about his finishing the better. Granted he does need time but most said the same about Ideye. I can see Rondon moving on at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
I struggle to see anything more than hustle and bustle from him. He's slow, first touch is poor, doesn't hold it up well enough and not that great in the air. The less said about his finishing the better. Granted he does need time but most said the same about Ideye. I can see Rondon moving on at the end of the season.

So lets right him off then as we tend to do on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:09:48 PM
How a Russian football expert sees it:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Zenit Saint Petersburg manager Andre Villas Boas felt he was forced to sell Salomon Rondon to West Bromwich Albion last summer due to the introduction of tighter restrictions on foreign players in Russia.

However, with the arrival of the in-form Artem Dzyuba and £12m in the bank for the now misfiring Rondon, it seems Zenit got a great deal.

The 26-year-old finished as the second highest goalscorer in the Russian Premier League last season with 13 goals in just 25 hours of playing time. However, unfortunately for West Brom manager Tony Pulis, his record signing has notched just four goals in 22 league and cup appearances and Baggies fans are starting to bemoan the purchase of the Venezuelan international.

So why has Rondon’s form declined since his move?

Part of the problem could be the system that West Bromwich Albion play. At Zenit, Rondon was the focal point of the attack in a 4-2-3-1 formation which allows midfielders to get up the pitch and support the forward. Having Oleg Shatov and Hulk play out wide as inside forwards meant that they could cut inside and create chances, using Rondon as a pivot. However, West Brom play a 4-5-1 formation with natural wingers which means that, instead of neat interchange around the penalty area, crosses are fed into the striker and he is expected to fashion chances out of them.

Additionally, the two central midfielders rarely break into the box which leaves Rondon very isolated, putting extra pressure on him to take chances when they come.

That is not to say that West Brom play unattractive or the wrong style of football but it will take time for former Rubin Kazan striker Rondon to adjust to something totally alien to him.

A further problem for the Venezuelan is his team’s possession and chances created. West Brom have the lowest average ball possession in the Premier League at just 40.5 per cent.

Compare this to Zenit’s average possession statistic of 55.4 per cent last season. This lack of possession for Albion has resulted in Rondon having to concentrate more on the defensive side of his game, something he rarely had to do at Zenit. This means that when West Brom do get the ball, Rondon has to switch his focus to the attack and make sure he retains the ball. This is once again something that he is not used to and it puts further pressure on the Venezuelan.

Due to the amount of chances Zenit created last season, it was not so important if Rondon did not find the back of the net. However, at West Brom, chances are few and far between which puts even more pressure on Rondon to score when the chances do come. It will take the Venezuelan a while to get used to this pressure.

West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt. This goes back to the previous point. The Russian Premier League, as well as La Liga where he used to play with Malaga, is nowhere near as physical as the English Premier League and many foreign players take time to adapt, Rondon is not unique in this.

It is important to remember that Rondon signed a four year contract and to judge him just a few months into his first season is incredibly harsh. This is an international player who has scored goals in the Europa League and Champions League on a regular basis. I would urge West Brom fans to remain patient, they will soon see the best of Rondon as he adjusts to a completely new style of football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:16:50 PM
How a Russian football expert sees it:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Zenit Saint Petersburg manager Andre Villas Boas felt he was forced to sell Salomon Rondon to West Bromwich Albion last summer due to the introduction of tighter restrictions on foreign players in Russia.

However, with the arrival of the in-form Artem Dzyuba and £12m in the bank for the now misfiring Rondon, it seems Zenit got a great deal.

The 26-year-old finished as the second highest goalscorer in the Russian Premier League last season with 13 goals in just 25 hours of playing time. However, unfortunately for West Brom manager Tony Pulis, his record signing has notched just four goals in 22 league and cup appearances and Baggies fans are starting to bemoan the purchase of the Venezuelan international.

So why has Rondon’s form declined since his move?

Part of the problem could be the system that West Bromwich Albion play. At Zenit, Rondon was the focal point of the attack in a 4-2-3-1 formation which allows midfielders to get up the pitch and support the forward. Having Oleg Shatov and Hulk play out wide as inside forwards meant that they could cut inside and create chances, using Rondon as a pivot. However, West Brom play a 4-5-1 formation with natural wingers which means that, instead of neat interchange around the penalty area, crosses are fed into the striker and he is expected to fashion chances out of them.

Additionally, the two central midfielders rarely break into the box which leaves Rondon very isolated, putting extra pressure on him to take chances when they come.

That is not to say that West Brom play unattractive or the wrong style of football but it will take time for former Rubin Kazan striker Rondon to adjust to something totally alien to him.

A further problem for the Venezuelan is his team’s possession and chances created. West Brom have the lowest average ball possession in the Premier League at just 40.5 per cent.

Compare this to Zenit’s average possession statistic of 55.4 per cent last season. This lack of possession for Albion has resulted in Rondon having to concentrate more on the defensive side of his game, something he rarely had to do at Zenit. This means that when West Brom do get the ball, Rondon has to switch his focus to the attack and make sure he retains the ball. This is once again something that he is not used to and it puts further pressure on the Venezuelan.

Due to the amount of chances Zenit created last season, it was not so important if Rondon did not find the back of the net. However, at West Brom, chances are few and far between which puts even more pressure on Rondon to score when the chances do come. It will take the Venezuelan a while to get used to this pressure.

West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt. This goes back to the previous point. The Russian Premier League, as well as La Liga where he used to play with Malaga, is nowhere near as physical as the English Premier League and many foreign players take time to adapt, Rondon is not unique in this.

It is important to remember that Rondon signed a four year contract and to judge him just a few months into his first season is incredibly harsh. This is an international player who has scored goals in the Europa League and Champions League on a regular basis. I would urge West Brom fans to remain patient, they will soon see the best of Rondon as he adjusts to a completely new style of football.


Can't really argue with that. Ultimately a team that isn't designed or set up to score many goals isn't going to have a CF who scores a lot of goals.

Personally I really rate Rondon and think in another team/system he played to something near his strengths he would be a real asset. For example I'd back him to get 12 to 15 goals plying for someone like Stoke this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
How a Russian football expert sees it:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Zenit Saint Petersburg manager Andre Villas Boas felt he was forced to sell Salomon Rondon to West Bromwich Albion last summer due to the introduction of tighter restrictions on foreign players in Russia.

However, with the arrival of the in-form Artem Dzyuba and £12m in the bank for the now misfiring Rondon, it seems Zenit got a great deal.

The 26-year-old finished as the second highest goalscorer in the Russian Premier League last season with 13 goals in just 25 hours of playing time. However, unfortunately for West Brom manager Tony Pulis, his record signing has notched just four goals in 22 league and cup appearances and Baggies fans are starting to bemoan the purchase of the Venezuelan international.

So why has Rondon’s form declined since his move?

Part of the problem could be the system that West Bromwich Albion play. At Zenit, Rondon was the focal point of the attack in a 4-2-3-1 formation which allows midfielders to get up the pitch and support the forward. Having Oleg Shatov and Hulk play out wide as inside forwards meant that they could cut inside and create chances, using Rondon as a pivot. However, West Brom play a 4-5-1 formation with natural wingers which means that, instead of neat interchange around the penalty area, crosses are fed into the striker and he is expected to fashion chances out of them.

Additionally, the two central midfielders rarely break into the box which leaves Rondon very isolated, putting extra pressure on him to take chances when they come.

That is not to say that West Brom play unattractive or the wrong style of football but it will take time for former Rubin Kazan striker Rondon to adjust to something totally alien to him.

A further problem for the Venezuelan is his team’s possession and chances created. West Brom have the lowest average ball possession in the Premier League at just 40.5 per cent.

Compare this to Zenit’s average possession statistic of 55.4 per cent last season. This lack of possession for Albion has resulted in Rondon having to concentrate more on the defensive side of his game, something he rarely had to do at Zenit. This means that when West Brom do get the ball, Rondon has to switch his focus to the attack and make sure he retains the ball. This is once again something that he is not used to and it puts further pressure on the Venezuelan.

Due to the amount of chances Zenit created last season, it was not so important if Rondon did not find the back of the net. However, at West Brom, chances are few and far between which puts even more pressure on Rondon to score when the chances do come. It will take the Venezuelan a while to get used to this pressure.

West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt. This goes back to the previous point. The Russian Premier League, as well as La Liga where he used to play with Malaga, is nowhere near as physical as the English Premier League and many foreign players take time to adapt, Rondon is not unique in this.

It is important to remember that Rondon signed a four year contract and to judge him just a few months into his first season is incredibly harsh. This is an international player who has scored goals in the Europa League and Champions League on a regular basis. I would urge West Brom fans to remain patient, they will soon see the best of Rondon as he adjusts to a completely new style of football.


So begs the question who bought a centre forward for 12m and not play to his strengths? Or am i missing something? We set up not to score many goals. Says it all really dont it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on January 25, 2016, 05:23:25 PM
Have to say this bit seems very questionable 'West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt'

Surely he's got a great build for a mobile physical centre forward in the prem ? I personally haven't noticed any 'backs out of challenges and scared to get hurt' either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:24:42 PM
Or maybe we have to build slowly and fit it together piece by piece as we don't have the finance to do it wholesale and have no-one queuing up for our players ?

I thought he backed out of one with the keeper on Saturday, needs to develope the sort of ruthless streak someone like Goodman had and stop being so nice.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:29:00 PM
Or maybe we have to build slowly and fit it together piece by piece as we don't have the finance to do it wholesale and have no-one queuing up for our players ?

I thought he backed out of one with the keeper on Saturday, needs to develope the sort of ruthless streak someone like Goodman had and stop being so nice.

Got sent off for a headbutt a couple of weeks ago and now he's to nice  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boult on January 25, 2016, 05:30:28 PM
Playing for the team up front bye himself with a defensive team around him what chance TP only needs Peter Crouch to lump it up top. Football this season abysmal feel sorry for him any other premiership team and Salomon would be in double figures bye now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:30:58 PM
Or maybe we have to build slowly and fit it together piece by piece as we don't have the finance to do it wholesale and have no-one queuing up for our players ?

I thought he backed out of one with the keeper on Saturday, needs to develope the sort of ruthless streak someone like Goodman had and stop being so nice.

The 12m could have been spent elsewhere with brown ideye up front or even lambert? If pulis knows we aint going to score goals why spend so much money on a centre forward instead of people who could supply? Bet then again he loaned Gnabry and bought Mcmanaman who supply the forward and they sit on the bench.

For the record i think in the right formation and players supplying i think we could have a 10-15 goal man here.

Brown Ideye scores goals in champs league so that is a good example.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
Got sent off for a headbutt a couple of weeks ago and now he's to nice  ;D

Call that a headbutt  :o

 He only had to blow the bloke a kiss and he would be going down

I thought it had already been discussed how easily Bournemouth players were going down ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on January 25, 2016, 05:34:35 PM
Rondon is a proven top quality striker who should be playing for a much bigger club than us. Give him proper players around him and watch the goals start flying in. At the moment he has got mcclean, a poor attacking winger, sessegnon who can't cross to save his life and gardner behind him who is woeful. Messi wouldn't score many in this team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:34:57 PM
The 12m could have been spent elsewhere with brown ideye up front or even lambert? If pulis knows we aint going to score goals why spend so much money on a centre forward instead of people who could supply? Bet then again he loaned Gnabry and bought Mcmanaman who supply the forward and they sit on the bench.

For the record i think in the right formation and players supplying i think we could have a 10-15 goal man here.

Brown Ideye scores goals in champs league so that is a good example.

I have no idea mate, thats not for me to answer about Ideye, I would have kept him and given him another chance this season, he has like so many others including Rosenberg gone elsewhere to score goals, happened too often at this club over the years.

For me Rondon has to be given time otherwise we go back to the same scenario next season and have the same discussions about another striker as we have about Rondon, Ideye, Rosenberg etc etc
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
I have no idea mate, thats not for me to answer about Ideye, I would have kept him and given him another chance this season, he has like so many others including Rosenberg gone elsewhere to score goals, happened too often at this club over the years.

For me Rondon has to be given time otherwise we go back to the same scenario next season and have the same discussions about another striker as we have about Rondon, Ideye, Rosenberg etc etc

Totally agree.

Put 3 players behind him supplying him he will be a force. But will we?  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
I have no idea mate, thats not for me to answer about Ideye, I would have kept him and given him another chance this season, he has like so many others including Rosenberg gone elsewhere to score goals, happened too often at this club over the years.

For me Rondon has to be given time otherwise we go back to the same scenario next season and have the same discussions about another striker as we have about Rondon, Ideye, Rosenberg etc etc

I agree but I think it's a change in style rather than time he needs. Just have a look at a few of the other midfields out there compared to ours (these are also teams I think we can be competing with although others will no doubt disagree)

Cabaye, Puncheon, Zaha, Bolasie (Sako)
Arnautovic, Bojan, Shaqiri (Affelay)
Tadic, Mane, Ward Prowse
Siggurdson, Ki, Ayew (Montero)
Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Shelvey, Perez

Even Norwich can boat players like Naismith & Hoolahan. I'd take any Bournemouths creativity over our midfields any day. Ultimately if I was a striker and from an attacking point of view got to pick which midfield played behind me ours would be the last one in the league I'd pick. So it's all very well giving him time but if we don't change our approach or the service he gets Rondon will never improve and will most likely start to regress further.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:54:13 PM
I agree but I think it's a change in style rather than time he needs. Just have a look at a few of the other midfields out there compared to ours (these are also teams I think we can be competing with although others will no doubt disagree)

Cabaye, Puncheon, Zaha, Bolasie (Sako)
Arnautovic, Bojan, Shaqiri (Affelay)
Tadic, Mane, Ward Prowse
Siggurdson, Ki, Ayew (Montero)
Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Shelvey, Perez

Even Norwich can boat players like Naismith & Hoolahan. I'd take any Bournemouths creativity over our midfields any day. Ultimately if I was a striker and from an attacking point of view got to pick which midfield played behind me ours would be the last one in the league I'd pick. So it's all very well giving him time but if we don't change our approach or the service he gets Rondon will never improve and will most likely start to regress further.

So your saying morrison gardner and mcclean dont float the boat  :D



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:56:03 PM
We do need a change in style at times but that also takes time for the reasons i've previously, we don't have the finance for wholesale changes, we don't have clubs queuing up to take our players so we have to do it bit by bit. Pulis has stated he wants more creativity and our pursuit of Matty Phillips was well publicised but to be honest with the fees quoted not sure how many would have gone for him and us being reliant on money for Saido makes it difficult as well.

Time will tell whether its empty words from Pulis but thats for another topic.

As for Rondon he needs time to adjust to this country and football, some take to it like a duck to water but not all.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:58:45 PM
So your saying morrison gardner and mcclean dont float the boat  :D

From an attacking sense our current midfield couldn't float a rubber duck let alone a boat.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on January 25, 2016, 06:32:50 PM
It's a similar problem to what Shane Long had when he was with us, especially late on in his spell. Loan isolated figure who looked a bit despondent.
Long linked up very well with Jelavic at Hull and links up with the Mane's etc. at Southampton who usually have fluid movement in the team.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on January 25, 2016, 07:03:47 PM
Rondon wastes his energy because he runs towards the defender with the ball but doesn't pressure him fully, so the pass is easy, then he has to run to the next player.  My guess is he used to playing with at least one other up front so "half pressuring" is useful as there is less likely to be an easy pass on.  There was very little else to watch on Saturday, so I studied him doing this at length  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 25, 2016, 07:04:56 PM
Rondon wastes his energy because he runs towards the defender with the ball but doesn't pressure him fully, so the pass is easy, then he has to run to the next player.  My guess is he used to playing with at least one other up front so "half pressuring" is useful as there is less likely to be an easy pass on.  There was very little else to watch on Saturday, so I studied him doing this at length  ;)

A one man press rarely works.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on January 26, 2016, 08:17:52 AM
Very few forwards have ever scored more than 10 goals in a Pulis team so forget any notion that Rondon or anybody else will. I have sympathy for Rondon because he is frequently feeding off scraps and most of the time he is not getting to see the ball in the box. Obviously this is a complete contrast to the service he was getting at Zenit.

My view is that you can bolt any player in world onto to the front of a Pulis side and they will struggle. As an aside the much praised creative talents at Palace and Stoke have thus far scored two more goals than us this season. Our squad isn't without attacking talent but our tactics are very negative we accrue points by defending just get used to the idea our forward players work hard but don't score lots of goals.

Rondon he works hard fair enough
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 26, 2016, 10:39:58 PM
I'd be interested to see a statistic on how many of Rondon's shots are actually on target. I can't remember that many.
If he is only getting a low percentage of shots on goal, that  makes the lack of chances being created, an even greater problem. He being the player furthest forward in the formation, where you would expect most chances to fall.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 26, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
I'd be interested to see a statistic on how many of Rondon's shots are actually on target. I can't remember that many.
If he is only getting a low percentage of shots on goal, that  makes the lack of chances being created, an even greater problem. He being the player furthest forward in the formation, where you would expect most chances to fall.

For what it's worth he scores virtually every time in the kick in pre match.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 26, 2016, 10:57:48 PM
I'd be interested to see a statistic on how many of Rondon's shots are actually on target. I can't remember that many.
If he is only getting a low percentage of shots on goal, that  makes the lack of chances being created, an even greater problem. He being the player furthest forward in the formation, where you would expect most chances to fall.
41 shots, 40% accuracy apparently.

For comparison
Berahino: 16 attempts, 64% accuracy
Lambert : 14 attempts, 36% accuracy
Anichebe: 9 attempts, 40% accuracy
Jamie Vardy: 76 attempts, 57% accuracy
Harry Kane : 88 attempts, 66% accuracy
Lukaku : 82 attempts, 48% accuracy

Interestingly
Craig Dawson: 19 attempts, 50% accuracy

and our most accurate?
James Morrison : 24 attempts, 67% accuracy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 27, 2016, 09:58:55 AM
Says it all really, the likes of Kane and Lukaku have twice as many chances than he does and that is down to the set up of the team. He doesn't really stand a chance. I bet there are midfielders, even defenders, for other clubs who have had more chances than Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 10:25:55 AM
The stats are rubbish anyway in my opinion, you can't compare different types of chances.

How many has he had like West Ham away where he really should have scored? Most of his chances that I can remember have been from outside/edge of the box and quite frankly not the easiest, I think its fair to say he really should have hit the target more but expecting him to score many more would be harsh given the poor chances we are setting him up with.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on January 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
41 shots, 40% accuracy apparently.

I must have blinked and missed that......

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 27, 2016, 11:56:05 AM
The stats are rubbish anyway in my opinion, you can't compare different types of chances.

How many has he had like West Ham away where he really should have scored? Most of his chances that I can remember have been from outside/edge of the box and quite frankly not the easiest, I think its fair to say he really should have hit the target more but expecting him to score many more would be harsh given the poor chances we are setting him up with.
The likes of Kane and Lukaku have no doubt missed chances that were every bit as easy, but they go unnoticed because of the ones they put away.
40% of 40 is 16, so that means he's had less than one shot on target per game. He'd have to be Deadeye Dick to get a decent return on that.
Don't get me wrong, he's not the best striker we ever had, but I think we make him look worse than he is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 11:58:22 AM
With our midfield and the way we set up in general we could make any striker look rubbish.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2016, 12:26:40 PM
With our midfield and the way we set up in general we could make any striker look rubbish.

Berahino didn't look rubbish last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 27, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
Berahino didn't look rubbish last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.
Have either of them ever played such an isolated role though?
I have to be honest, I can't think of a single striker who would fit our current system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: collins101 on January 27, 2016, 12:49:40 PM
Didn't Saido spend a lot of time out on the wings last season, wasn't a large portion of his goals penalties as well ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on January 27, 2016, 12:52:20 PM
Berahino didn't look rubbish last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.

This begs the question why was he bought! Surely if you are paying that sort of money for a player somebody should be doing their homework. It seems obvious he is not suited to the way TP sets up, therefore in reality a waste of money (Personally i think he is a good striker who is not being utilised to his strengths).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
Have either of them ever played such an isolated role though?
I have to be honest, I can't think of a single striker who would fit our current system.

The problem with Rondon is that the ball just doesn't stick to him. His touch is poor at times. If he could just hold on to it a bit more then we may just have a chance of getting some players up to support him. Crouch or Walters would do this far better IMO. I was never a big fan of MAF or Long whilst they were here but they would both fare better in this side IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
This begs the question why was he bought! Surely if you are paying that sort of money for a player somebody should be doing their homework. It seems obvious he is not suited to the way TP sets up, therefore in reality a waste of money (Personally i think he is a good striker who is not being utilised to his strengths).

Absolutely. There has been no logic to our recruitment for a long time. We sign 'bodies' in desperation to fill the squad. Whether TP signs players in the hope they do adapt to his style I don't know. It will take a major overhaul of playing staff and playing style to get the best out of Rondon here which lets face it isn't going to happen any time soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 01:04:00 PM
Ive been banging on about this with pulis wasting money,  its becoming more and more apparent.

Look at Ideye Brown, same thing is happening here with Rondon. I feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 27, 2016, 05:39:38 PM
Didn't Saido spend a lot of time out on the wings last season, wasn't a large portion of his goals penalties as well ?
got a fair few from general set pieces too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 27, 2016, 05:57:18 PM
Ive been banging on about this with pulis wasting money,  its becoming more and more apparent.

Look at Ideye Brown, same thing is happening here with Rondon. I feel sorry for him.

Pulls didn't buy Ideye.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
Berahino didn't look rubbish last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.

As mentioned by someone else Saido got a fair few of his goals from out wide.

The midfield and general set up are more of an issue than Rondon himself. I agree that he must improve his all round play though I don't think that has been good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 29, 2016, 10:13:44 AM
From Pulis's press conference this morning...

Tony Pulis took West Brom record signing Salomon Rondon out for dinner to cheer the player up. Not word yet if the Baggies boss wore his baseball cap.

"I took Salomon Rondon and the other South American lads out for dinner this week with their families. Salomon is in good spirits."

So did you pick up the bill, Tony?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 29, 2016, 10:15:38 AM
From Pulis's press conference this morning...

Tony Pulis took West Brom record signing Salomon Rondon out for dinner to cheer the player up. Not word yet if the Baggies boss wore his baseball cap.

"I took Salomon Rondon and the other South American lads out for dinner this week with their families. Salomon is in good spirits."

So did you pick up the bill, Tony?
He should take the 20,000 plus that attended the Vile game last Saturday to cheer us up!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on January 29, 2016, 10:47:00 AM
So did you pick up the bill, Tony?

Seriously doubt that JP did anyway, he's still bruised from supplying TP with the old newspaper for his self funded fish supper the other week  ;).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on February 02, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
it was night and day watching Rondon for most of the game up until Saido and Anichebe were brought in to play alongside him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 10, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
It's mind blowing that he is still picking picked as the main striker. He is actively hiding from the ball. Lambert cannot be any worse.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on February 10, 2016, 08:23:26 PM
It's mind blowing that he is still picking picked as the main striker. He is actively hiding from the ball. Lambert cannot be any worse.

Have you seen Lambert live lately!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 10, 2016, 08:34:43 PM
A dead corpse offers a greater threat than Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 08:43:19 PM
Rondon is utter garbage. Service or no service he offers nowt. Berahino has had no service tonight but still managed 2 shots.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on February 10, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
Rondon is utter garbage. Service or no service he offers nowt. Berahino has had no service tonight but still managed 2 shots.

One of which was from a Rondon knock-down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on February 10, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
A lot of people moaning about service but Rondon always makes the wrong run - comes short when he should go long, goes long when he should come short and makes the long ball look wasted.  Berahino got on the ball far more often.

I seriously think Rondon is our worst striker ever (including De Freitas and Paul Williams).  We didn't even trust him to take a penalty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on February 10, 2016, 10:40:41 PM
Confidence seriously shot, not even up for pens!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:41:15 PM
He has no confidence whatsoever , you can see that a mile off!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 10:43:54 PM
Worse than George Riley
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on February 10, 2016, 10:45:32 PM
Worse than George Riley
No no no ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 10, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
 >:(
Confidence seriously shot, not even up for pens!

I remember a Venezualan fan coming on here during a previous tie saying that he doesn't usually go forward for penalties anyway. But still, with that little confidence and fans looking for even more ammunition to crucify him if he'd missed he'd be done for here. Fair play to Chester and Poco for stepping up despite not playing much.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 10, 2016, 10:51:03 PM
Worse than George Riley

Hahaha come on guys that's really below the belt
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
A good manager would give him a couple of weeks rest  ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2016, 10:55:49 PM
he looks totally lost, we had a high work rate from him earlier in the season but even that's gone. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 10:57:11 PM
If he had decent support and the same could be said for berahino you just never know. Pulis turns footballers into zombies. Coffin for pulis
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 10, 2016, 10:59:09 PM
This criticism is way over the top ...worst striker we've ever had ? He's the second best striker currently on our books
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boing_boing68 on February 10, 2016, 11:01:25 PM
This criticism is way over the top ...worst striker we've ever had ? He's the second best striker currently on our books

And that shows why we have scored so few goals this season  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 10, 2016, 11:04:44 PM
No better than Ideye sorry to say and i know this probably have little connection but when he was out thats the best we played.I think he is Pulis's white elephant .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 10, 2016, 11:06:56 PM
Again we felt Mozza's absence....someone to link things together a bit further up the pitch. Our strikers are not the teams biggest problem.
We were a bit better once Sess came on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 10, 2016, 11:10:08 PM
I really want him to do well, but I can't make up my mind whether he's any good or not. He did bugger all all game then has a great bit of control and turns the defender and nearly scored...it's those brief flashes that make me think that there is a good player in there but he needs to do more off the ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2016, 11:16:12 PM
I really want him to do well, but I can't make up my mind whether he's any good or not. He did bugger all all game then has a great bit of control and turns the defender and nearly scored...it's those brief flashes that make me think that there is a good player in there but he needs to do more off the ball.
same here I think there a good player in him somewhere, he's proved before he came here he can score goals so maybe its style tactics whatever, he did look tonight like he couldn't be arsed or is he totally shagged.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on February 10, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Lately there's been no difference between him and Brown Ideye, albeit Ideye cost around £10 million less.

I don't think I'm being optimistic but I'm sure when he arrived for the first few months, Rondon looked much better than his current form. Even though he's never been in among the goals for us, when he first arrived he looked more energetic and sharper.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 10, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
We could really do with him getting another three game ban soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 10, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
He didn't play well today.

But to be fair, the amount of hoofed balls well over his head is a joke. At least 4 times i saw him direct the passer after the fact when a ball was lumped 20 yards infront of him and he's asking for it to feet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
I think that's the worry, he just didn't get into the game tonight and when he could have held the ball up he lost possession, and his passing was woeful.  Would be interested to see his stats for the game. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on February 10, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
He didn't play well today.

But to be fair, the amount of hoofed balls well over his head is a joke. At least 4 times i saw him direct the passer after the fact when a ball was lumped 20 yards infront of him and he's asking for it to feet.
But what does he do with the ball when it comes to his feet?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 10, 2016, 11:27:30 PM
But what does he do with the ball when it comes to his feet?
He cant pass period because he doesnt look up and gives away the ball it happened against Newcastle if he had looked where Saidio was he could have let him through instead he played it right to a newcastle defender in a two on two with newcastle back pedalling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on February 10, 2016, 11:29:14 PM
he was awful tonight,his passing is terrible berahino was calling for the pass on 2 occasions and he tried poor shots,ive never seen him have a decent game with a strike partner,the more he is given the ball the worse he looks,ideye brown was better
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on February 10, 2016, 11:30:51 PM
It's mind blowing that he is still picking picked as the main striker. He is actively hiding from the ball. Lambert cannot be any worse.
no mate rondon is better than lambert,a road cone would be as useful as lambert
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Wonder why he didn't take a penalty?

It shows what a job we have in summer, assuming we sell Saido, would you really want Rondon\Lambert\Vic as our front players?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on February 10, 2016, 11:48:28 PM
Wonder why he didn't take a penalty?

It shows what a job we have in summer, assuming we sell Saido, would you really want Rondon\Lambert\Vic as our front players?
Spot on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on February 10, 2016, 11:58:26 PM
Gotta be up for a pen! A Shadow of what we bought
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: graka on February 11, 2016, 12:24:52 AM
Wouldn't get in any other prem team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 11, 2016, 12:30:14 AM
Wonder why he didn't take a penalty?

It shows what a job we have in summer, assuming we sell Saido, would you really want Rondon\Lambert\Vic as our front players?
HELL NO
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 01:07:54 AM
Think the bloke is suffering as a result of us not getting forward to help him. Not prepared to write him off after half a season, give the bloke time to adjust fully to this country as well as the football here before writing him off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 11, 2016, 01:48:41 AM
The bigger concern now is over the last few games his head seems to have gone down early in the season he seemed to be happy to chase after lost causes now he just seems worn down by it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2016, 02:43:59 AM
I wish a 2 yard open goal headed chance had fell to him...  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sidsockett on February 11, 2016, 08:04:08 AM
Spot on.

I just think we're not providing him with right type of penalty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on February 11, 2016, 08:09:49 AM
I wish a 2 yard open goal headed chance had fell to him...  :-X

It pretty much did at west ham
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie953 on February 11, 2016, 09:17:22 AM
To me he looks disheartened, no smile on his face, confidence low and playing in a team bereft of creativity!

In the right team I think he will be a good striker so I would stick with him.

Very surprised he didn't take a spot kick though, I thought he would jump at the chance!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 09:24:33 AM
But can he do it on a cold February night in Peterborough?

No he can't  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 09:28:22 AM
He just doesn't look good enough to me.  Seems like a decent poacher in the 6 yard box but his all round game isn't strong enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on February 11, 2016, 09:30:02 AM
Everyone is saying in the right team he can be a good striker and I don't really want to write him off yet after only 6 months but what attributes have people seen in him to say he can be a good striker?

He can't win a header, the ball seems to bounce off him when it comes to him, he loses the ball when runs at players, he has very little pace or strength, has missed sitters when he has had a chance which have cost us points and his passing doesn't look too good especially based in the last two games.

I know that sounds harsh but be seen nothing from him at all except that he works quite hard.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on February 11, 2016, 09:57:58 AM
Think the bloke is suffering as a result of us not getting forward to help him. Not prepared to write him off after half a season, give the bloke time to adjust fully to this country as well as the football here before writing him off.
Agree with what your saying Oldbury regarding giving him time to adjust to this country. However, surely we should of gave Ideye another season to settle in this country, because for me I feel Ideye had more to offer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 11, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Everyone is saying in the right team he can be a good striker and I don't really want to write him off yet after only 6 months but what attributes have people seen in him to say he can be a good striker?

He can't win a header, the ball seems to bounce off him when it comes to him, he loses the ball when runs at players, he has very little pace or strength, has missed sitters when he has had a chance which have cost us points and his passing doesn't look too good especially based in the last two games.

I know that sounds harsh but be seen nothing from him at all except that he works quite hard.

To be honest I think most people's opinions are based on what he has done at his previous clubs particularly Zenit where he had something like a 1 in 2 goal ratio, plus a little of what we have seen earlier this season.

I have to say the more the season goes on the worse he looks, but I also think there is a good player in there he just needs some confidence and a lot more supply.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 10:04:26 AM
Agree with what your saying Oldbury regarding giving him time to adjust to this country. However, surely we should of gave Ideye another season to settle in this country, because for me I feel Ideye had more to offer.

I agree we should have given Ideye more time, its a totally different culture to get used to not just the football, some take to it easy, some need time.

Its yet another player who bangs goals in until he joins us and then they dry up, happened with quite a few over the years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on February 11, 2016, 10:06:42 AM
Never mind comparing him to Brown Ideye, hes looking more and more like Fabien DeFreitas.

We shouldnt have spent 12m in a a player who offers us very little.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on February 11, 2016, 10:24:53 AM
He looks completely shot of all confidence...but lets look at the team and setup he is in.

He is often isolated up front...he'd need a set of binoculars to see another Albion player at times. He knows that often when the ball is lamped up to him, he will have no Albion players around him to support. In terms of chances, he gets one or two a game - most strikers will get at least double that per game...she he knows when one chance comes, it might be his only chance - could explain why he's a bit snatchy. Basically the service he gets is dreadful, almost non-existent!

The way he trudged off at half time against Swansea suggests he is completely fed up - his confidence will bound to have been affected by all of this.

His performances of late haven't been good enough, and we need to see an improvement, however it is difficult for any striker in a Pulis team, as we simply don't set up to effectively utilise a centre forward!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 10:26:56 AM
Talking to a neutral friend last night and he reckoned Rondon was the worst player on the pitch and didn't look a professional footballer.

The problem with blaming it on the tactics is that there's time when he has the ball under control and can't make simple passes, or he's expected to hold it up, and it just bounces off him.  Doesn't matter what the tactics are those are the basics.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 11, 2016, 10:41:23 AM
The best we have looked since christmas was when Rondon and McClean were suspended.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: palmaroy on February 11, 2016, 10:49:40 AM
The best we have looked since christmas was when Rondon and McClean were suspended.
Thats very true.The Newcastle and Stoke games we were miles a better Team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 11, 2016, 11:32:27 AM
I honestly think that is coincidental.....we played well against Spurs when both were playing.

We seemed to be pushing higher up the pitch for a few games with Fletcher carrying the ball forward more.
Since beating Stoke we've been back to sitting deep as if we have the preset attitude of 'make sure we get a point'.

Also since then we've had the cup distractions and replays and a growing injury list.

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 11, 2016, 11:49:40 AM
Talking to a neutral friend last night and he reckoned Rondon was the worst player on the pitch and didn't look a professional footballer.

The problem with blaming it on the tactics is that there's time when he has the ball under control and can't make simple passes, or he's expected to hold it up, and it just bounces off him.  Doesn't matter what the tactics are those are the basics.

I completely agree. I just don't see any positives to his game. His turn and shot late in the game last night is what I want to see more of but doubt I will. Having watched many of his goals on line they all seemed to be 6 yard box tap ins. He won't get that kind of service here therefore we cannot accommodate a forward who's all round game is poor.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on February 11, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
any else notice last nights commentator called him Jose Rondom
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 11, 2016, 01:13:19 PM
feed him like the horse and he might score
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on February 11, 2016, 01:21:26 PM
any else notice last nights commentator called him Jose Rondom
His name is Jose Salomon Rondon, but is always known as Salomon.

Can't stand Jonathon Pearce anyway so usual have the sound off
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
feed him like the horse and he might score

I think somebody has been feeding him like a horse.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 11, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Another question - how many decent crosses for our CF to attack do we average in a game from open play ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on February 11, 2016, 02:45:56 PM
any else notice last nights commentator called him Jose Rondom

There's a lot of posters on this very forum who spell it that way too.
 :-X.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 02:46:47 PM
No idea, not many I imagine, but I'm not judging on his inability to get on the end of crosses.  I'm basing it purely on what he's doing when he gets the ball.  When he hasn't got the ball there's not a lot he can do, but when he does have it, it's down to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on February 11, 2016, 02:58:56 PM
No idea, not many I imagine, but I'm not judging on his inability to get on the end of crosses.  I'm basing it purely on what he's doing when he gets the ball.  When he hasn't got the ball there's not a lot he can do, but when he does have it, it's down to him.

I'd have to disagree that there's not a lot he can do without the ball.  His movement off the ball is shocking.  I know a lot of people on here think we just hoof it aimlessly forward but we don't.  The team will be instructed to put the ball into certain areas of the pitch (as do Leicester) The number of times last night and in previous games that he was nowhere near the ball is shocking.  It is no coincidence that when Sic Vic plays he appears to get better service - he doesn't - he just anticipates better.  Even Berahino who appeared sluggish last night got on the end of long balls more often.  For me this is the worst aspect of his game by far.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 03:04:19 PM
Oh, yeah, I agree, I just wouldn't want to judge him *that* harshly on it.  If the cross is poor it's not always his fault for not being on the end of it.  When he's got the ball though, and can't play a simple 6 yard pass, that's his fault every time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on February 11, 2016, 03:09:03 PM
Oh, yeah, I agree, I just wouldn't want to judge him *that* harshly on it.  If the cross is poor it's not always his fault for not being on the end of it.  When he's got the ball though, and can't play a simple 6 yard pass, that's his fault every time.

Agreed - doesn't get in the right position and when he does you wish he didn't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on February 11, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
He has made a few mistakes. no more nor no less than any other players in this club. He has scored a few goals, missed a few and showed a few flashes of ability whilst without support, so for me still early days. Like all strikers he needs to have confidence and from the youngest supporter through all of the professional staff tto the oldest of old farts like me there is very little of that at this club. However I completely disagree about his movement. He is often the only one showing for a forward pass and by the time it comes it is usually nowhere near him or virtually uncontrollable with a defender up your jack, his only option has been to knock it on or back with his first touch. Accuracy is hardly ever good in these conditions and usually there is nobody close enough to be in support anyway. Yes the ball to SB could have been better, but SB has missed a few as well and there should have been at least one other Albion player following in. Rondon has looked a far better player when we keep a higher line and get a few more men forward, but the biggest problem is we have very few players if any who can control and consistently hit a good pass at any time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kendo on February 11, 2016, 03:54:38 PM
Sorry but , how much longer are we going to try with him. No control, can,t hit a barn door. drifts in and out of games, ( mostly out ) and it seems like another waste on money all down to our wonderful scouting system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 04:25:01 PM
Sorry but , how much longer are we going to try with him. No control, can,t hit a barn door. drifts in and out of games, ( mostly out ) and it seems like another waste on money all down to our wonderful scouting system.
I think we have to carry on unless Berahino looks interested.  I'd go with Berahino as first choice, then Rondon, then Anichebe, then the tea lady, then the dead cat under the Halfords, then Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggyman68 on February 11, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
Berhino and Rondon need to start. Only with game play can they get to know what runs to make and how to work together effectively.
They both seemed better when sessegnon came on last night. He seemed to link up the defensive midfield we had with the forwards.
 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on February 11, 2016, 04:37:27 PM
I still feel for the bloke.

Gone from Witsel and Hulk assisting him to our plodders.

He will fire, at some point, erm....I hope.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2016, 04:43:39 PM
I like him, but he has been going down hill and is gathering momentum at the moment.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 11, 2016, 06:04:22 PM
I think his movement is good a lot of the time. Regarding Saturday's bad pass to Saido....it was Rondon's run initially that set up this move. On the TV sound you can hear the shout of 'Daws', Dawson put in an excellent ball but unfortunately Rondon messed up the pass to Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2016, 06:16:59 PM
I think his movement is good a lot of the time. Regarding Saturday's bad pass to Saido....it was Rondon's run initially that set up this move. On the TV sound you can hear the shout of 'Daws', Dawson put in an excellent ball but unfortunately Rondon messed up the pass to Saido.

Confidence. He shouldn't have been trying to pass to Berahino, he should have just scored himself. Needs a little scoring run no matter how lucky to get him going again.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2016, 08:42:09 PM
I think we have to carry on unless Berahino looks interested.  I'd go with Berahino as first choice, then Rondon, then Anichebe, then the tea lady, then the dead cat under the Halfords, then Lambert.
How long is the dead cat out for?, might need him for the run in..
I think Rondon has showed touches , he had a very good turn and shot last night but has some have said his service is poor.
Now I know not many agree with me , but look at the runs we have had with Myhill vs Foster, I've never denied foster is a good shot stopper and arguably better at commanding the area, but the distribution is woeful , which in turn means we sit further back and are giving it away and getting under pressure quicker, I mentioned it elsewhere and got told to "wobble my head" which is nice and respectful, most won't agree but it's my opinion that we actually look safer and stronger generally with Myhill in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2016, 10:39:26 PM
No striker is going to get a lot of Premier League goals under Pulis,  doesn't mean that they are all no good. Only on one occasion under Pulis, in the top flight ,has a striker got into double figures for the season.  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2016, 10:42:35 PM
No striker is going to get a lot of Premier League goals under Pulis,  doesn't mean that they are all no good. Only on one occasion under Pulis, in the top flight ,has a striker got into double figures for the season.  :o

Could be argued Saido got 7 in half a season last year under him. I'm happy to wait for Rondon to play in his second season in English football. You don't have his previous record and reputation without being a player. If it still doesn't work out next season, well these things happen, Shevchenko was poor in the PL but a wonderful striker overall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 11:18:15 PM
No striker is going to get a lot of Premier League goals under Pulis,  doesn't mean that they are all no good. Only on one occasion under Pulis, in the top flight ,has a striker got into double figures for the season.  :o

Just to be pedantic its twice  ;) 08/9 and 11/12
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2016, 11:25:44 PM
Could be argued Saido got 7 in half a season last year under him. I'm happy to wait for Rondon to play in his second season in English football. You don't have his previous record and reputation without being a player. If it still doesn't work out next season, well these things happen, Shevchenko was poor in the PL but a wonderful striker overall.
True, look at falcao too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2016, 08:57:52 AM
Just to be pedantic its twice  ;) 08/9 and 11/12
Oops, you're not wrong. Fuller 11 and Crouch 10, and in between Etherington 5 :o, Jones 9, followed by Walters 8.

Rondon has done quite well to bag what he has in his first 6 months of English football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 13, 2016, 05:28:49 PM
Rondon's 4th goal away from home this season and our 4th 1-0 win.

(Stoke, Norwich, Bristol City & now Everton)

Granted this one was an ultra-tap-in, but he's been forced to chase so many pointless long balls, an easy one is well earned!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2016, 05:31:44 PM
Thought he looked better Today , put up a good physical battle
Possibly getting used to England ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 13, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
Thought he looked better Today , put up a good physical battle
Possibly getting used to England ?

Slightly better but still doesn't do enough for me. His touch and passing are terrible at times. I thought Anichebe held it up much better when he came on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 13, 2016, 05:41:48 PM
Grafted today and worked hard, pleased he got some luck. Does three times what Berahino does. His hold up play was decent today and brought others into the game. Don't get the criticisms of his passing .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2016, 06:00:17 PM
Slightly better but still doesn't do enough for me. His touch and passing are terrible at times. I thought Anichebe held it up much better when he came on.
A bloke who can't run though , each to their own ...... :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ripryan1971 on February 13, 2016, 06:26:44 PM
In the 2nd half Rondon chased a ball and shoulder barged Jags to win a throw in. So he wanted to use his strength there to good affect.

What i don't get is, so many times the ball comes up to him, and just has to back in, and hold it up, and lay it off, however he will lose it cheap or a poor pass lets him down. Its about keeping the ball and just letting the defence have a breather from all the pressure. He can do it, as i've seen it in glimpses, he has to do it more often.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on February 13, 2016, 06:46:53 PM
I think with more creativity around him, he could be a success. At the moment he is feeding of scraps and that is hard to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on February 13, 2016, 06:56:47 PM
Sublime finish today and worked very hard as usual. He'll have to wait a few more games now for his next chance to score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 13, 2016, 07:06:50 PM
He followed in to score.
He is learning how the PL works.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on February 13, 2016, 08:12:01 PM
Far better today. Was in the right place at the right time for the goal, and generally looked a lot stronger and meaner than previously. Still improvements to be made, but today was a glimpse of a hopefully brighter future for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on February 13, 2016, 08:35:37 PM
Good position for the goal today as he was vs Swansea. The juries still out for me after the Newcastle and Posh games were he looked poor, but at least lately he's looked more of a threat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on February 13, 2016, 09:34:00 PM
Thought he looked a lot better today and whether of his a$$ or his chest they all count and it might spur him on.

Fair play to him long may it continue
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on February 14, 2016, 06:34:40 PM
According to transfermarkt rondon is scoring 1 every 3.5 games roughly. Think that's a good return for his first season in English football. If he can get to 10 this season then we can consider him a success surely? Next season with hopefully a few more creative players in the team I can see him becoming a real force
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on February 14, 2016, 09:42:39 PM
Think there is a good player in there. First season in English football, he will grow into his role. Also feel bad for him, he can only score if he's given chances. In our system he's working on scraps.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 14, 2016, 09:49:09 PM
According to transfermarkt rondon is scoring 1 every 3.5 games roughly. Think that's a good return for his first season in English football. If he can get to 10 this season then we can consider him a success surely? Next season with hopefully a few more creative players in the team I can see him becoming a real force
he'd be the third striker in the PL to get double figures under Tony, so yes it'd be a superb season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 27, 2016, 11:25:21 PM
With showings like today against Crystal Palace he may just prove to be worth £12million
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on February 27, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
Desperately unlucky to not get the goal for the first. Good shot and led the line fantastically
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 09:04:44 AM
Not his biggest fan but he was the best player on the pitch yesterday, fantastic performance. He now needs to make sure that is how he plays every week, not just once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on February 28, 2016, 09:19:28 AM
It was his leading of the line that caused them so many issues, runs in behind to create space for Berahino. Held the ball well and bullied the centre backs.

If he plays like that every game or at least 2 in every 3 then ill be happy

I just really badly want him to score some goals as people will judge him on that which after yesterdays performance would not be right.

Brilliant yesterday my MOTM
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 09:31:04 AM
Given support against Palace and look at the difference , could see quality in him last night and for me was man of the match. Movement was fantastic , support and balls to feet he's a different player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 09:38:28 AM
Berahino will get plaudits for his goal but I Rondon's input into that was vital.  Held the ball up and gave it to Sess. Then his quick spin in behind meant not only the CH marking him had to give chase but the othere one came across too. This was just enough for Sess to play the ball over onto Berahino. What a peach of a pass.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on February 28, 2016, 09:48:57 AM
The three (Rondon, Berahino and Sessegnon) were magnificent.

Rondon has quality and if people give him time he'll be a big asset for us. It's been difficult for him, first season in the Premier League, loads of travelling internationally, a lot of time battling away on his own with little to no support just long balls banged in his general direction. I think he's done pretty well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 28, 2016, 10:22:12 AM
I knew with half decent service and players within 30 yards of him he would show us what he is capable of and that he isn't another 'Brown Ideye' like some people have claimed so I'm so chuffed by his fantastic performance. If we continue with those tactics we could potentially have a front three that is up there with the mighty Stokelona's  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on February 28, 2016, 12:15:10 PM
I thought he did ok yesterday, but I'd prefer to see him more in the middle. With Saido pushing balls through the channels, Rondon would get loads of goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 28, 2016, 12:32:42 PM
All comes down to playing to feet. For a large portion of yesterday we weren't hoofing it up to him. Into feet him Sess and Bera looked awesome playing off each other.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
Don't think he did much different to what he has done many times this season, only difference is we got players around him quicker than we usually do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 28, 2016, 03:48:55 PM
Don't think he did much different to what he has done many times this season, only difference is we got players around him quicker than we usually do.

Totally agree. IF Rondon had had any support this season he'd have been registring far more in the goals and assists columns.

Watching people on twitter & FB slate him when he's beem forced  to watch balls sail over his head has been very annoying.

He's not as skilful as a Odemwingie/Lukaku/Saido in their pomp. But he is good, he is strong and he will score if given any ammo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 28, 2016, 06:07:51 PM
Rondon certainly was much stronger yesterday I liked the way he knocked the palace defenders around. I feel with more confidence he can score and create more goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on February 28, 2016, 07:37:38 PM
Absolutely outstanding yesterday, best performance so far!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionDaz on February 28, 2016, 08:03:06 PM
Totally agree. IF Rondon had had any support this season he'd have been registring far more in the goals and assists columns.

Watching people on twitter & FB slate him when he's beem forced  to watch balls sail over his head has been very annoying.

He's not as skilful as a Odemwingie/Lukaku/Saido in their pomp. But he is good, he is strong and he will score if given any ammo.
I feel the same too,its like we are watching a different game,when I see the nastiness spouted on social media.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 28, 2016, 08:32:13 PM
Absolutely outstanding yesterday, best performance so far!
The way he controlled the ball off Dawson and layed it off for Sess in the build up to Saido's goal showed what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on February 28, 2016, 08:36:41 PM
Very unlucky not to score with the first Goal, Hennessey made a good save.

Nice to see how much better he looks when he has support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 28, 2016, 08:49:20 PM
Best performance of the season.

Touch was much better and so was his movement. Didn't get bullied easily too. As mentioned above - the fact we actually got bodies near him meant we could use him effectively. It was noticeable how quick we played into Saido and Rondon before getting the ball wide.

I hope as a side we can build on that and not take a few steps backwards.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 29, 2016, 11:43:35 AM
Best performance of the season.

Touch was much better and so was his movement. Didn't get bullied easily too. As mentioned above - the fact we actually got bodies near him meant we could use him effectively. It was noticeable how quick we played into Saido and Rondon before getting the ball wide.

I hope as a side we can build on that and not take a few steps backwards.

Having people up with him, means we can get forward faster and makes defences less able to organise.
From the time Dawson hit the ball forward to Solomon until Saido netting it was what? 5-6 seconds?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 29, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
The key is getting players around him. Breaking the third goal down you can see the difference that it makes the clip of the goal on the match day thread from behind the goal demonstrates it perfectly.

Firstly Dawson fires are fairly brisk ball out of defence to Rondon who does well to control it. He moves the ball out to Sess and makes a run down the right hand channel. Berahino has made the run into the gap that this has opened up and is critically ahead of Rondon. This gives Sess two possible passes and presents the Palace defence with two balls they need to cover. Sess takes on the more difficult of the two options and Saido scores.

The brisk  pass out of defence to Rondon has has been a feature of our game it's probably a 60/40 ball at best and to his credit has probably controlled more of them than we have the right to expect, but too frequently the support is not there to lay it off.

Even when there is someone close enough to him to lay it off to no one makes the run ahead of him and ball gets fed down the channel and the defence can get across to him and the best we can hope for is a corner. In this instance had Sess gone with ball down the channel Saido was already in the box and Sess was close enough to join in the play again giving the player on the ball two options.

On face of it the goal was all about the ball from Sess to Saido and his finish, but Rondon played a massive part and we could have better used his talents this season by just being a little bit more adventurous at times
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 29, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
The key is getting players around him. Breaking the third goal down you can see the difference that it makes the clip of the goal on the match day thread from behind the goal demonstrates it perfectly.

Firstly Dawson fires are fairly brisk ball out of defence to Rondon who does well to control it. He moves the ball out to Sess and makes a run down the right hand channel. Berahino has made the run into the gap that this has opened up and is critically ahead of Rondon. This gives Sess two possible passes and presents the Palace defence with two balls they need to cover. Sess takes on the more difficult of the two options and Saido scores.

The brisk  pass out of defence to Rondon has has been a feature of our game it's probably a 60/40 ball at best and to his credit has probably controlled more of them than we have the right to expect, but too frequently the support is not there to lay it off.

Even when there is someone close enough to him to lay it off to no one makes the run ahead of him and ball gets fed down the channel and the defence can get across to him and the best we can hope for is a corner. In this instance had Sess gone with ball down the channel Saido was already in the box and Sess was close enough to join in the play again giving the player on the ball two options.

On face of it the goal was all about the ball from Sess to Saido and his finish, but Rondon played a massive part and we could have better used his talents this season by just being a little bit more adventurous at times

good analysis, and here's the rub,

a little bit more adventurous at times  Why TP has not had the confidence in his players to allow them to be adventurous (up until now) is quite baffling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 29, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
good analysis, and here's the rub,

a little bit more adventurous at times  Why TP has not had the confidence in his players to allow them to be adventurous (up until now) is quite baffling.


Berahino sulk and non performance.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on February 29, 2016, 01:21:32 PM
good analysis, and here's the rub,

a little bit more adventurous at times  Why TP has not had the confidence in his players to allow them to be adventurous (up until now) is quite baffling.

Sessegnon being inconsistent. Trying an extra turn and losing the ball instead of putting in a good delivery.
Berahino finally getting over his personal issues. Apparently saying sorry and performing like the £25m player he's supposed to be.
Rondon needing the time to adapt to the English league. For a while he's had a winter break so his body has had no real recovery period this season.
Fletcher able to play further forward without the wide players losing possession to much.

It all adds up. Pulis didn't decide to not attack just to wind you up  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 29, 2016, 01:30:43 PM

Berahino sulk and non performance.

This This This.

Like it or not Berahino has looked disinterested and unfit for most of the season.  He knuckles down for a few weeks, changes his attitude (hopefully) and then having a £15m-20m striker up top means we get to be more adventurous.

If we'd have played the same tactics as Saturday but with Anichibi up top with Rondon instead we'd have struggled just because Berahino offers so much more. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 01, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
Sorry I don't accept the lazy narrative it's all Saido's fault. It doesn't have to be Saido it could equally have been Morrison before he was injured and the plain fact that even when they are on the pitch Sess or McLean have often been too deep to take the initial lay off, this is where countless similar situations have broken down.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 01, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
None of those players you mention are going to play as far forward as Berahino.  And I think without Sess as well we wouldn't have looked so threatening.  It's not the only thing, I also think the week's rest plus playing a Palace side on a poor run of form contributed.

No one can doubt that Berahino looked far more like his old self.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on March 01, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
Sorry I don't accept the lazy narrative it's all Saido's fault. It doesn't have to be Saido it could equally have been Morrison before he was injured and the plain fact that even when they are on the pitch Sess or McLean have often been too deep to take the initial lay off, this is where countless similar situations have broken down.

Valid point, maybe could have looked at other options. The problem is none of those players are anywhere near as good as Saido. He is literally head and shoulders above the rest of the squad. So it really does matter how he plays for us to be more adventurous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 01, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Valid point, maybe could have looked at other options. The problem is none of those players are anywhere near as good as Saido. He is literally head and shoulders above the rest of the squad. So it really does matter how he plays for us to be more adventurous.

The point where it matters that it's Saido is when the ball arrives in the box at that point I would back him ahead of any other player at the club to score, but the basic movement and set up does not require Saido to be on the pitch. You could swap Sadio for Sess in the 10 role, but then who else is capable of delivering the ball that found Saido? Chris Brunt perhaps but not from that phase of play if he's at left back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 01, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
Sorry I don't accept the lazy narrative it's all Saido's fault. It doesn't have to be Saido it could equally have been Morrison before he was injured and the plain fact that even when they are on the pitch Sess or McLean have often been too deep to take the initial lay off, this is where countless similar situations have broken down.

I certainly was not suggesting it's all Saido's fault, but to get the full offensive picture, you need all the pieces of the jigsaw in place, in the absence of Morrison, Saido became vital.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 01, 2016, 11:23:55 AM
I certainly was not suggesting it's all Saido's fault, but to get the full offensive picture, you need all the pieces of the jigsaw in place, in the absence of Morrison, Saido became vital.

Its true. In January we were screaming out for a central attacking midfield player as we only had/have two players who can play there - Morrison and Berahino, the former injured and the latter unfit/disinterested.

Without a number ten we were hopelessly lost going forward. It wasnt only Rondon that was completely isolated. Mcclean and Sess were too.

I think Pulis/Saido/Peace all have to share blame for that problem, but now we have a motivated Berahino back, I only expect more promising and exciting things from our front 4, like we saw on Saturday, especially from Rondon.

(this is when all 4 play woefully tonight and I look like a huge idiot  :P)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on March 01, 2016, 11:29:53 AM
Rondon would score more in a team which creates more chances in my opinion. Sess, CMc, McClean, Morrison and now Pritchard are all attack minded players who if they'd featured more together (in spite of Berahino's absence) would've helped to create more chances for Rondon I'd expect. All ifs and buts of course............


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on March 01, 2016, 11:57:43 AM
Maybe just maybe now we are "safe" well nearly we can expect a bit more adventure. Well certainly at home.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 01, 2016, 12:02:35 PM
Rondon would score more in a team which creates more chances in my opinion. Sess, CMc, McClean, Morrison and now Pritchard are all attack minded players who if they'd featured more together (in spite of Berahino's absence) would've helped to create more chances for Rondon I'd expect. All ifs and buts of course............

I think that's the law of averages
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on March 01, 2016, 01:49:40 PM
I think that's the law of averages

But that's half the point really - a lot of other strikers in the prem will score more goals because they have more chances created for them. Rondon has been lucky to get 1 or 2 per game. So whilst some knock Rondon's goal return, it is difficult for him to be prolific as he gets far fewer chances than other prem strikers!

A lack of chances could also explain Rondon being snatchy in front of goal...if you know you are going to get so few chances, it adds pressure to the chances you finally get!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on March 01, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
None of those players you mention are going to play as far forward as Berahino.  And I think without Sess as well we wouldn't have looked so threatening.  It's not the only thing, I also think the week's rest plus playing a Palace side on a poor run of form contributed.

No one can doubt that Berahino looked far more like his old self.
we played at Chelsea without saido and put just as good an attacking display on as we did against palace so someone was getting forward and threatening, it was a midweek game as well so tiredness didn't affect us that night. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 01, 2016, 09:46:53 PM
Superb tonight, starting to really settle in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on March 01, 2016, 09:55:45 PM
doesn't look tired any more!!!immense really enjoyed his tussle with Morgan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on March 01, 2016, 09:58:36 PM
He looks so much better when he has some support next to him. Starting to look like he's going to be a huge asset next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on March 01, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
loved the way he shrugged Huth aside for his goal too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2016, 10:37:28 PM
Now he has found some confidence and is getting some support. you can see that he's a hell of a good player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on March 01, 2016, 10:38:00 PM
He looks so much better when he has some support next to him. Starting to look like he's going to be a huge asset next season.
certainly looks like he's enjoying it the last couple of games, maybe its because he's got a team mate within earshot instead of being billy no mates.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 02, 2016, 06:46:47 AM
Should have shocked the world from six yard out but hey give credit where it's due a wonderful all round performance.He is now establishing himself has a physical force look how he bullied two giants Huth and Morgan.Well taken goal as well, I like when Albion players prove me wrong well done Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 02, 2016, 06:54:16 AM
It looks, hopefully, that he's starting to get to grips with the Premiership.
I think we will have a player next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on March 02, 2016, 07:54:14 AM
Could always tell he had that bit of quality about him, but never really had support at times.

Last couple of games hes had Sess and Saido by him and he looks a different player.

Think back to West Ham away aswell when Lambert was brought on and it boosted Rondon.

Think if we can stay close to him up top, he will continue to look a threat.

His work ethic is tremendous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on March 02, 2016, 02:36:15 PM
Rondon is looking like the striker i read about, not many knock Huth about but he did for the goal and his hold up play was very good, he won some balls and then got the 2nd ball when he had no right too on a few occasions.

I think his work rate for a biggish bloke is very good and with that little bit of support from Sess and Saido he looks up for it, it helped too that he got a couple of poachers goals v Swansea and Everton, after he missed some sitters earlier this season, those 1 yard tap ins will of helped his confidence a lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 02, 2016, 02:49:43 PM
He looks like he has sharpened up as he seems to have found a bit more pace
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 03:49:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a few offers come in for him in the Summer window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 02, 2016, 05:56:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a few offers come in for him in the Summer window.
If he start scoring we might lose him because that kind a work rate and brute force is unprecedented
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 03, 2016, 07:03:20 AM
Leceister fans are drooling over Rondon his dominance over their defence mainly Huth and Wes left them in awe.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 03, 2016, 11:51:14 AM
I posted a while back that it's hard to settle in at a new club a new country a new house getting family settled a new language expectation of a big money signing etc you try it just moving jobs! I always thought the way he shapes up and leads the li e he's fearless and has a lot more skill than some realise he does need a partner who will be found in the summer and I think he's the sort who appreciates the fans and the club he's also got a little mean streak in him,I think he could become a great.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on March 03, 2016, 06:51:41 PM
If anyone does bid it will be 20mil minimum... I still find it crazy our top two are worth 45mil+..

Now they playing together they do look like a partnership...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 03, 2016, 08:34:02 PM
Slightly ironic that one of his best performances comes at Leicester where he could have been compared to Heskey on a good day  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on March 03, 2016, 08:36:42 PM
I loved his battle in the corner with Morgan. He managed to bully one of the strongest centre backs in the league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on March 03, 2016, 08:40:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a few offers come in for him in the Summer window.

From who? He's had a few good games but struggled for most of the season (in a defensive team ok). Can't see anybody coming in for anymore than the 12 mill we signed him for.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboyfred on March 03, 2016, 09:49:33 PM
considering the way we play most of the time , he is starting to do a great  job and if he can play at that level for the last ten games a maybe pop in a few more , I think we may see something a bit special next season, especially if he gets a bit more support, but he is at least starting to look like a 12m man
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 04, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
Three more goals this season and he'll have 10, which for a guy in his first year in England and especially in a team who have been ultra defensive a majority of the time would be a highly respectable return.

If he gets 4, then that'll be ten in the league, again, very good.

This is entirely plausible seeing as he's scored in 3 of the last 5 games and been heavily involved in 2 of our other goals in that period.

As long as we approach a decent chunk of games in an attacking style I predict he'll get 15+ next season. Well worth the money in the modern market.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on March 06, 2016, 06:00:44 PM
Cross the ball in , stop lumping it to his throat from 50 yards .
That's all we asked


Now look
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 06, 2016, 06:06:50 PM
That's 4 in the last 6 now.

Buying the best gun in the world is useless unless you buy the ammo.

Really glad it's working out for him now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on March 06, 2016, 06:09:07 PM
He's worked so hard all season for little reward and now we are giving him a helping hand the goals are flowing.

Well done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on March 06, 2016, 06:16:52 PM
The lad come in for a lot of stick really pleased we are seeing  him now with a bit of confidence he will be immense next season .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 06, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
Fantastic today. Especially impressive as he got no help at all from Berahino who was awful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 06, 2016, 06:24:03 PM
His confidence grows every game

Really pleased that he's starting to show what we paid big money for  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on March 06, 2016, 06:27:10 PM
Great finish today. Worked hard and starting to look a lot fitter too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on March 06, 2016, 06:30:32 PM
Glad to see he is growing in confidence and now we will reap the benefits. delighted for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on March 06, 2016, 06:40:09 PM
7 goals now, 9 games to go, I think he can hit double figure by the end of season, well done Salomon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 06, 2016, 06:51:34 PM
Just shows that a bit of patience helps at times. Too much expectation and demands of immediate impact these days
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 06, 2016, 07:00:10 PM
Could have chosen to hide a bit after a few tussles with Smalling but never stopped showing for the ball and was pretty immense.
Nice to see Lambert giving him a hug going down the tunnel - he seems popular with the others in the squad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 08:59:58 PM
Whilst Saido's game was a bit off today,  this pair are a real handful for opposition defenders. Crucially, it gives them something to really think about, and it gives us a real outlet especially with Fletcher pushing further upfield.

Delighted for Rondon in particular.  He really looks like he is now enjoying his football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 06, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
Whilst Saido's game was a bit off today,  this pair are a real handful for opposition defenders. Crucially, it gives them something to really think about, and it gives us a real outlet especially with Fletcher pushing further upfield.

Delighted for Rondon in particular.  He really looks like he is now enjoying his football.

I think that's another thing that having Saido in there brings us.   It helps take the focus off Rondon, if we were only playing one up top today, Smalling would have had Rondon in his pocket.  Now with those two and Sess (I think it might actually be impossible to tackle Sess), we can occupy their defensive players giving Fletch and Garner time to get forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 10:49:09 PM
If Rondon keeps playing like he did today, then we are very likely to see some serious bids coming in for him in the summer!

In all seriousness, Berahino will be gone and we need to spend wisely to replace him.  Who do we think would be ideal (and realistic) to buy to play alongside Rondon? 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 06, 2016, 11:41:58 PM
I've said all season that he looks a good player but he has been starved of anything resembling decent service (imagine Olsson hoiking 50 yard passes in your general vicinity all season) but not many agreed with me.

Shocking how we start playing to his strengths and he looks a world beater. The reputation he has in South America in an awful Venezuela side speaks volumes
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 06, 2016, 11:57:33 PM
If Rondon keeps playing like he did today, then we are very likely to see some serious bids coming in for him in the summer!

In all seriousness, Berahino will be gone and we need to spend wisely to replace him.  Who do we think would be ideal (and realistic) to buy to play alongside Rondon? 

Ideally think we would get the best out of him as the central player in a front 3 I am not necessarily suggesting Naismith but that is the sort of player that I would be looking to try and bring in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggiesFacts on March 07, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Good to see him getting the all round recognition he deserves.

I think a few of us have seen he has the potential, as well as his past record, which speaks for itself.

Yet some on here, only a few weeks ago called him 'utter garbage' as well as saying that 'a dead corpse offers more'.

If that's the case, let's hope we sign a few more garbage players who play as well as a dead corpse would.

He will get past 10 for the season, not bad in a team that has played in the style we have for most of it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 07, 2016, 09:54:19 AM
I always thought he looks a good player,the way he looks around him when he receives the ball and he's a goalscorer will become a legend,I like his mean streak as well.
HE LEAPS LIKE A SALAMON!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 07, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
The change in the last few weeks has been quite remarkable. I was one who was starting to have doubts about him but since the shackles have been released he has been really impressive. He doesn't appear to be shrugged off the ball easily anymore and he's a better footballer than many give him credit for. Hopefully this spell continues for a while longer yet because with the way we play its vital we have someone who can hold up the ball and bring others into play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on March 07, 2016, 10:39:55 AM
Superb performance from Rondon, gave his absolute all, if Berahino has put in half as much effort yesterday we may have scored a few more
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on March 07, 2016, 11:20:46 AM
Superb performance from Rondon, gave his absolute all, if Berahino has put in half as much effort yesterday we may have scored a few more

Possibly slightly harsh on Berahino. They clearly picked him as the one to mark and press which gave rondon options up the pitch. It was too late by the time they realised Rondon was the threat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 11:25:35 AM
Superb performance from Rondon, gave his absolute all, if Berahino has put in half as much effort yesterday we may have scored a few more
Berahino put a fair old shift in, he was closing players down when we didn't have the ball and he was also making runs to give Rondon space.  A game or two ago Berahino ran the most out of all the players on the pitch and made the most sprints.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 11:32:06 AM
Berahino put a fair old shift in, he was closing players down when we didn't have the ball and he was also making runs to give Rondon space.  A game or two ago Berahino ran the most out of all the players on the pitch and made the most sprints.

Seemed quite the opposite for some reason yesterday to the point an exasperated Rondon, spread his arms apart to the static Berahino as if to ask what he was playing at.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on March 07, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
Seemed quite the opposite for some reason yesterday to the point an exasperated Rondon, spread his arms apart to the static Berahino as if to ask what he was playing at.
If it's the time I was thinking of he was asking the ref for a free kick. Rondon and bera get on very well. Bera was poor by his standards but I think his work rate was still high enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on March 07, 2016, 12:13:45 PM
Rondon was outstanding yesterday. I thought it was the best all round performance from an Albion "number 9" for years. We have an absolute diamond in him and now he's settled and gt a bit of support he looks a proper striker.

Berahino wasn't at his best yesterday but nobody plays well every single game.

Over the last few weeks we're actually looking a decent side and the football we're playing is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out.

Pulis is doing a grand job and us fans should be feeling pretty happy right now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 07, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
If he carries on this way come the end of the season the big boys may come sniffing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 07, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
If he carries on this way come the end of the season the big boys may come sniffing
Leceister fans want him next year .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 03:38:35 PM
Leceister fans want him next year .

Leicester fans are also talking about people like Griezmann  :o

Then in the next breath saying Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain are not good enough for them

Im starting to dislike them now after willing them all season, I hope they get knocked off their perches finish in 4th, get champions league, go out in the qualifiers and have a dreadful season next year
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 07, 2016, 04:08:29 PM
Leceister fans want him next year .

I said the big boys. I'll be surprised if they can replicate next year what they have done this year.
They could be back to earth next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2016, 04:41:25 PM
Leicester fans.................Im starting to dislike them now

It was only ever a matter of time.
 ;).
Tossers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: garry on March 07, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
I said the big boys. I'll be surprised if they can replicate next year what they have done this year.
They could be back to earth next season
I loved the comment on MOTD2 last night - "they (Leicester) will be near the top for quite a few seasons yet".
My money would be on a bottom half finish next season - one season wonders.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 05:25:59 PM
Leicester like it or not armed an extra £40m of champions league money plus the status participation confers on a club they could raid us for players like Rondon. Although in truth the people running things at Leicester are a lot smarter than their fans so they might not go on a totally mental shopping spree in which case I don't think we need to worry too much about Rondon. Johnny Evans on the other hand might be a different kettle of fish. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: JoseVen on March 11, 2016, 02:12:37 PM
Here friends back.

I'm surprised Salomon spoke ill of his slump, when he played only up to several meters from their peers.

Since entering Berahino and formed the trident along with Sessegnon, Salomon has been much better.

There is no defense that can melee with Salomon. If not Ask the bigs of Leicester.

An Argentine journalist in south america reputation, said that if salomon scoring 8 goals in the season with this team with his defensive play, Salomon would become the new Latin American superhero.

Well, I am no more Spider-Man fan.


( De vuelta por aqui amigos.

Me sorprende que hablaran mal de Salomon en su mala racha, cuando jugaba solo arriba a varios metros de sus compañeros.

Desde que entró Berahino y formó ese tridente junto con Sessegnon, Salomon se ha visto mucho mejor.

No hay defensa que pueda cuerpo a cuerpo con Salomon. Si no preguntenle a los grandotes del Leicester.

Un periodista Argentino de reputacion en sur america, decia que si salomon anotaba 8 goles en la temporada con este equipo con su juego defensivo, Salomon se convertiria en el nuevo superheroe latinoamericano.

Pues, ya no soy mas fanatico del Hombre araña. )
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2016, 02:19:18 PM
Leicester like it or not armed an extra £40m of champions league money plus the status participation confers on a club they could raid us for players like Rondon. Although in truth the people running things at Leicester are a lot smarter than their fans so they might not go on a totally mental shopping spree in which case I don't think we need to worry too much about Rondon. Johnny Evans on the other hand might be a different kettle of fish.

salomon , kettle of fish, very clever
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 12, 2016, 09:42:43 AM
Here friends back.

I'm surprised Salomon spoke ill of his slump, when he played only up to several meters from their peers.

Since entering Berahino and formed the trident along with Sessegnon, Salomon has been much better.

There is no defense that can melee with Salomon. If not Ask the bigs of Leicester.

An Argentine journalist in south america reputation, said that if salomon scoring 8 goals in the season with this team with his defensive play, Salomon would become the new Latin American superhero.

Well, I am no more Spider-Man fan.


( De vuelta por aqui amigos.

Me sorprende que hablaran mal de Salomon en su mala racha, cuando jugaba solo arriba a varios metros de sus compañeros.

Desde que entró Berahino y formó ese tridente junto con Sessegnon, Salomon se ha visto mucho mejor.

No hay defensa que pueda cuerpo a cuerpo con Salomon. Si no preguntenle a los grandotes del Leicester.

Un periodista Argentino de reputacion en sur america, decia que si salomon anotaba 8 goles en la temporada con este equipo con su juego defensivo, Salomon se convertiria en el nuevo superheroe latinoamericano.

Pues, ya no soy mas fanatico del Hombre araña. )

Estoy de acuerdo contigo amigo. La manera que pulís le utiliza no me ha sorprendido que no ha marcado. Estaba sólo, nuestro equipo juegó sin ambición y idea. él apareció muy lento y más como un burro que un futbolista. Con berahino y sessengon, tiene apoyo y él parece un jugador totalmente diferente. Es futre y rápido y no tengo dudas que va marcar más en este sistema. Todo depende con las tácticas del entrenador. Espero que me entiendas, no he hablado español durante mucho tiempo.

I agree with you. The way in which he has been utilised by Pulis didn't suprised me that he didn't score. He was alone, the team played with out idea and ambition and rondon looked very slow and more like a donkey than a football player. With Berahino and sessengon he ha support and looks a totally different player. Hes strong he's fast and I have no doubts he will score more in the new system.it all depends on the active of the manager.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on April 01, 2016, 07:55:32 AM
Good article on Rondon, discussing some of his life back home and so on. Comes across well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2016, 08:30:36 AM
Good article on Rondon, discussing some of his life back home and so on. Comes across well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela)
Thanks for the link, interesting article. Must be a very difficult way to live with limited contact with your wife and kids just to protect them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 01, 2016, 09:12:47 AM
Good article on Rondon, discussing some of his life back home and so on. Comes across well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela)

Why can't some of the local journalists write decent articles like this????
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 01, 2016, 11:30:51 AM
he certainly has the right attitude I think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 01, 2016, 12:26:33 PM
he certainly has the right attitude I think.

Great attitude on and off the pitch. Reminds me a lot of Lukaku when he was with us. If the fans and manager treat him right, we could have a real long term star on our hands.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Tank on April 01, 2016, 07:04:06 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on April 01, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole

I was thinking the same myself!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on April 01, 2016, 08:28:39 PM
I'm pretty sure that massive spider from Arachnophobia was from Venezuela. Fictional or not it's a good enough reason to leave  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 03, 2016, 06:35:11 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole
I have a friend in Venezuela. She is not allowed to leave the country except in special circumstances.
It is still run like a dictatorship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 05, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole

from the sounds of it he'd have to smuggle them out of the country. which in itself with people he'd need to deal with to do so is more dangerous than leaving them where they are.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on April 05, 2016, 01:32:37 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole

I don't think he is necessarily saying his wife and children don't live with him in the UK. I think he could mean visiting parents etc, and not being allowed to be seen with his wife, or his brothers and sisters  whilst back in a city he grew up in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on April 26, 2016, 08:02:31 AM
Great second half yesterday, seemed to win everything. Very unlucky that lloris pulled off a world class save against him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on April 26, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
Should have scored the header?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 26, 2016, 09:58:33 AM
Should have scored the header?

Should certainly have hit the target. When you are likely to have very few chances in a game you need to be a little sharper.  The jury is still out for me regarding Rondon, we desperately need to get some support around him next season as he can't do it all on his own.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 26, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
Thought he held the ball up really well 2nd half & his distribution was a lot better.
He needs help & i hope we sort some out for him next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 26, 2016, 10:47:57 AM
Should have scored the header?

Difficult header he was a little two far infront of the post when the cross came in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on April 26, 2016, 10:51:29 AM
He definitely needs support as his hold up play is very poor at times. His control lets him down often and he rarely wins any balls in the air that are knocked long to him. A pacy man alongside him may help but personally I'm still not convinced by him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on April 26, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
Superb 2nd half last night, everything you want your centre forward to do in terms of hold up play and bringing the midfield in to add support to our attacks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: brummyroader on April 26, 2016, 03:15:49 PM
To be frank being to lone striker in a TP team is the hardest job in the league (apart from Villa keeper), he's had a very respectable and promising first season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: teaguey on April 26, 2016, 04:17:03 PM
His touch does appear poor at times, such as the first half. But I am a fan, a real fan and I wish we could give him a better supply. I recall his goal v leicester, where he was offered it along the deck and we all know the rest. I think he could be great if our supply wasn't always so 'Direct' (lofted over) and was more calculated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on May 01, 2016, 04:58:28 PM
Any idea where he's gone the past few months ?  He had began to a look player but now seems to have gone backwards again we yet another poor home performance yesterday.

An season not too dissimilar to Ideye last year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on May 01, 2016, 06:38:28 PM
Far more presence than Ideye ever had. A pretty decent 1st season in the prem and hope for more with some better ammunition next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: maccbaggie on May 01, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
In a side which creates more chances (West Ham, Southampton, etc) he'd comfortably get 12-15 goals in a season (just see his career history).

No striker would thrive when put into a team playing our current style.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 11, 2016, 08:55:56 AM
Rondon will be changing to number 9 next season from number 33. Interesting we didn't have a registered number 9 this season, Brown Ideye wore the shirt the year before.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/rondon-to-become-albions-new-number-nine-3105754.aspx
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 11, 2016, 09:37:33 AM
Rondon will be changing to number 9 next season from number 33. Interesting we didn't have a registered number 9 this season, Brown Ideye wore the shirt the year before.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/rondon-to-become-albions-new-number-nine-3105754.aspx

I imagine the squad numbers have to be confirmed before the season starts early August and Ideye was still here until the end of that month so would have kept it at the time with Rondon having the number 33 confirmed, not sure if you can change them after the season starts or not.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 11, 2016, 11:42:29 AM
I imagine the squad numbers have to be confirmed before the season starts early August and Ideye was still here until the end of that month so would have kept it at the time with Rondon having the number 33 confirmed, not sure if you can change them after the season starts or not.

Good point, I didn't realise we didn't sell Ideye until 31St August, thought he'd gone long before then
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on May 11, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
I imagine the squad numbers have to be confirmed before the season starts early August and Ideye was still here until the end of that month so would have kept it at the time with Rondon having the number 33 confirmed, not sure if you can change them after the season starts or not.

Aguero I changed from 16 to 10 once Dzeko had left, he then paid for all the city fans who had already brought an 'aguero 16' shirt to have a new one
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 11, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
Aguero I changed from 16 to 10 once Dzeko had left, he then paid for all the city fans who had already brought an 'aguero 16' shirt to have a new one

Aguero took the number 10 before the season officially started so a slightly different situation to Rondon and Ideye. I assume City were confident the move away for Dzeko was imminent as it was less than a week later he left whereas there was probably less certainty from us that Ideye would leave at the time the numbers were registered.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 12, 2016, 05:14:50 PM
I always assumed Rondon took 33 as a holdover while waiting and seeing whether McAuley would remain with the team since the number he really wants is 23. It's a lot easier from a marketing standpoint to drop 33 than 9 for 23.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on May 17, 2016, 11:53:11 AM
Another good display. Was great and Bournemouth and again on Sunday. Finished the season really well and the amount he's got with little supply and boring tactics is a good achievement not to be overlooked.

Get someone close to him next season and he will score 15+
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on May 17, 2016, 12:49:13 PM
Overall i'm more than happy with Big Ron saying its been his 1st season in the prem where he had to quickly get up to speed with the squad while also playing & traveling for his country.
Well done mukka, with a bit of luck next season we will have brought players into our squad that can feed & support you then
15-20 goals would easily be within your grasp.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 17, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
He is head and shoulders above what else we have in the strikers' department.
I can see him being poached when another team come calling and offer a few ££££'s in front of JP.
The playing management must play to his strengths and not just the occasional hoof up to him.
Encourage him to want to remain here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 17, 2016, 05:12:00 PM
He is head and shoulders above what else we have in the strikers' department.
I can see him being poached when another team come calling and offer a few ££££'s in front of JP.
The playing management must play to his strengths and not just the occasional hoof up to him.
Encourage him to want to remain here.

I had a Chelsea fan tell me if he was running things Rondon would be one of his priorities. Difficult to see that happen but I was surprised to hear that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
He is our top scorer this season with 10 goals, and lets be fair he ran around like a headless chicken to start with because we were not providing him with the service, and he was getting used to life in the Premier.
He now seems to have become settled in the PL, and service is improving, so I think he could be nearer to 20 goals next year......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on May 17, 2016, 06:34:47 PM
No way will he get 20 goals for us IMO. Firstly I can't see him getting the service and secondly he just doesn't look clinical enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 17, 2016, 06:48:17 PM
No way will he get 20 goals for us IMO. Firstly I can't see him getting the service and secondly he just doesn't look clinical enough.

I agree. Certainly need a partner for him next season who could also look to get around 10 goals. That and the midfield chipping in with a few and I'd be happier
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 18, 2016, 12:25:04 AM
I don't believe Rondon has ever had a 20-goal season so that's something to keep in mind. He's in his prime though but I don't foresee the club making the kind of immediate turn around that can take a player from 10 to 20 goals.

Then again Saido did just go from 20 to 7  :-\
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2016, 07:25:45 AM
Pulis has never had a striker who has scored more than 12 goals in a season. If you look at the stats Rondon is getting 2 shots a game whereas a Harry Kane is getting 4 Rondon's and Kane's shot accuracy is about 50%. If we swapped the two players we would get similar results.

Talking about a 20 goal striker in a side that will do well to score 40 goals in a a season is just silly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 18, 2016, 08:12:36 AM
I actually said that he could get nearer 20 goals, not that he will get 20..... he has done well to get 10 this year IMO given the appalling service he has received......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on May 18, 2016, 08:20:35 AM
if we can get a good no 10 alongside rondon I think he's capable of getting 15 goals. in his first season in England its not a bad return so far and he's outscored some decent players who've  cost a fortune , and we all know what little service he's had in many games. 
sturridge
rooney
mbokani
ayew
de bruyne
bojan
mata
pedro
Gomez
ozil
some big names there so he's done ok for me.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on May 18, 2016, 08:29:37 AM
if we can get a good no 10 alongside rondon I think he's capable of getting 15 goals. in his first season in England its not a bad return so far and he's outscored some decent players who've  cost a fortune , and we all know what little service he's had in many games. 
sturridge
rooney
mbokani
ayew
de bruyne
bojan
mata
pedro
Gomez
ozil
some big names there so he's done ok for me.

You cant really qoute majority of those players though as they all play in different positions, the only strikers on that list are Sturridge (whos been injured for 70% of the season) Rooney (whos been injured and converted to a deeper role) and Mbokani.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on May 18, 2016, 08:38:32 AM
You cant really qoute majority of those players though as they all play in different positions, the only strikers on that list are Sturridge (whos been injured for 70% of the season) Rooney (whos been injured and converted to a deeper role) and Mbokani.
I agree they are not all strikers, but he's scored as many as benteke and carroll.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
10 goals in his first season; in a side as negative and unenterprising as ours, with Gardener and McLean being your supply line for much of it is nothing short of miraculous. If he had signed for West Ham or Southampton he would have scored 15-20 goals and been spoken about as one of the transfer coups of the season.

Well done Solomon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on May 18, 2016, 12:17:28 PM
10 goals is a great return from the Salomon as the previous post states having such low service and still getting that amount is fantastic.

Get him the right supply and he will score much more.

My boss is an Arsenal fan and STH and he was impressed with him at the Emirates.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on May 18, 2016, 01:59:05 PM
he would score 15 plus goals a year for most teams. with our posession stats, our lack of delivery into the box, and lack of penetration generally - he has an excellent retrurn. i would not be surprised if another team came in with a big offer for him -
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on May 18, 2016, 08:37:18 PM
10 goals is a great return from the Salomon as the previous post states having such low service and still getting that amount is fantastic.

Get him the right supply and he will score much more.

My boss is an Arsenal fan and STH and he was impressed with him at the Emirates.

Living in Leicester and surrounded by Leicester fans they were drooling over his performance against them at the King Power.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on May 30, 2016, 05:14:38 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/)

Great man.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ComebackStrodds on May 30, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/)

Great man.

What a guy, she's got her whole life ahead of her now to look forward to at 92
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 30, 2016, 08:51:11 PM
What a guy, she's got her whole life ahead of her now to look forward to at 92

..... I bet you're a pleasure to know.....

Nice one Salomon. Hope he gets 15+ for us next season and then a move to a cup winning team. He's a good lad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on June 06, 2016, 10:16:32 AM
Didnt look particular good last night in the Copa America against Jamaica.

Two moves of note though and both had in hand in chances created, one leading to the winning goal.

Expect more than two quality moves a game from him.

Rooting for him though in the cup and Gamboa.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 06, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
Didnt look particular good last night in the Copa America against Jamaica.

Two moves of note though and both had in hand in chances created, one leading to the winning goal.

Expect more than two quality moves a game from him.

Rooting for him though in the cup and Gamboa.

Looked like he had less support from his teammates than he gets here the poor sod.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 07, 2016, 06:28:55 AM
I'm hoping Tone will get him a supply chain for next season.
I'm hoping for great things from Salomon next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on June 08, 2016, 12:37:04 AM
Agreed! He has had a fantastic first season in the premier considering the lack of supply, etc, etc.
He has put a shift in for us even when he had no delivery! I really hope we can get some better service/help for him next season so he can flourish into the goal scorer he has been before!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 10, 2016, 06:34:00 AM
He scored the only goal of the game against Uruguay in the Copa America last night, only a relatively simple tap in after an early outrageous shot from the right winger. Through to the Quarter Final with a game to spare but he did limp off injured in the second half so hopefully it isn't anything serious.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 10, 2016, 06:36:20 AM

Report

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-watch-venezuela-stun-uruguay-1-0-close-in-on-last-eight-berth-in-copa-america-centenario-2221884?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbasoprano on June 10, 2016, 11:34:26 AM
Report

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-watch-venezuela-stun-uruguay-1-0-close-in-on-last-eight-berth-in-copa-america-centenario-2221884?

Good lad Rondon. Glad I didn't back Uruguay now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on June 10, 2016, 12:10:42 PM
https://streamable.com/d39h (https://streamable.com/d39h)

Clip of the goal. Good instincts but what an effort from the other player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on June 10, 2016, 12:21:04 PM
Strikers goal...great instincts

Cant wait too se him in action next season think he will be a big player next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: t76 on June 10, 2016, 01:27:10 PM
If only he had someone to feed him,he would double his goals.Hope his hamstring heals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on June 10, 2016, 01:42:13 PM
Hoping this good run of goals for country will see him come to pre-season full of confidence and raring to go. Like others say, we need creatives in the team and we need them early so we can hit the ground running before frustration sets in for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 10, 2016, 02:02:34 PM
Hoping this good run of goals for country will see him come to pre-season full of confidence and raring to go. Like others say, we need creatives in the team and we need them early so we can hit the ground running before frustration sets in for him.

and us
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 02:08:28 PM
He's only ever going to score tap ins which makes it vital that we get some quality in around him as his all round game isn't great. We could do with another Odemwingie type player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 10, 2016, 02:14:43 PM
https://streamable.com/d39h (https://streamable.com/d39h)

Clip of the goal. Good instincts but what an effort from the other player.
from some research he is Alejandro Guerra. 30 years old midfielder (cam but can play out wide) from Caracas (as is Rondon) he's still playing in Venezuela for Athletico Nacional, signing for them a year ago and has 50-odd national caps, scoring 6 goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 10, 2016, 02:28:43 PM
He's only ever going to score tap ins which makes it vital that we get some quality in around him as his all round game isn't great. We could do with another Odemwingie type player.

Think you're being a bit harsh on him. He scored a great goal against Liverpool and has had a couple of decent headers. He has often shot from the edge of the box(hasn't scored mind!). Seems like the kind of player that likes the ball played in front of him to run onto or to his feet.

Agree about us needing another Odemwingie type though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 02:37:29 PM
He's only ever going to score tap ins which makes it vital that we get some quality in around him as his all round game isn't great. We could do with another Odemwingie type player.

Liverpool and Leicester were excellent goals off the top of my head he's also very good in the air.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
I would be quite happy with our main striker not scoring from outside the box all season if he was picking up 20 odd tap-ins. The goals that aren't tap ins make good highlights reels but any striker's goals are going to be predominantly close range and relatively straight forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 04:28:54 PM
Think you're being a bit harsh on him. He scored a great goal against Liverpool and has had a couple of decent headers. He has often shot from the edge of the box(hasn't scored mind!). Seems like the kind of player that likes the ball played in front of him to run onto or to his feet.

Agree about us needing another Odemwingie type though.

Agree with this. We certainly don't utilise his strengths. He's already made comments about playing with his back to goal and most of his play being outside of the box. His first touch and control does need to improve for me though.

Liverpool and Leicester were excellent goals off the top of my head he's also very good in the air.

They were so I hope we can supply him more of the same through balls. I agree that his heading is decent in the box but from our usual long punts he rarely wins anything.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on June 10, 2016, 09:31:25 PM
Liverpool and Leicester were excellent goals off the top of my head he's also very good in the air.

Rondon went past Huth as if he wasn't there  :o

Hope we can keep hold of him - would be an ideal fit for Leicester in Europe next season  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on June 10, 2016, 09:36:18 PM
We'd be doing Rondon a massive disservice if Craig Gardner and McClean are the ones  supplying him again next season. There were flashes last season where he was unplayable, fingers crossed he kicks on next season and we get some quality players around him and I can certainly see him getting close to 15 goals next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 10, 2016, 11:01:52 PM
Scored again, tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 10, 2016, 11:22:45 PM
from some research he is Alejandro Guerra. 30 years old midfielder (cam but can play out wide) from Caracas (as is Rondon) he's still playing in Venezuela for Athletico Nacional, signing for them a year ago and has 50-odd national caps, scoring 6 goals.

semi good research here. Atletico Nacional are in Colombia and he's adored by fans there. Definitely not premier material though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 11, 2016, 12:17:23 AM
semi good research here. Atletico Nacional are in Colombia and he's adored by fans there. Definitely not premier material though.
my mistake, I was going by teeny tiny flags and (with the greatest respect) alot of them look similar.  :-[
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 11, 2016, 06:16:18 AM
Rondon has shown he is more than capable of doing a job for us, we should at least give him the tools that allows him to do that job to the best of his abilities
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 11, 2016, 08:19:39 AM
George Mills of the Daily Star obviously has a massive dislike for Rondon. I can't paste with my phone, but you can find the article on Newsnow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 11, 2016, 10:47:54 AM
George Mills of the Daily Star obviously has a massive dislike for Rondon. I can't paste with my phone, but you can find the article on Newsnow.

Here you go chap.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: fatboy_coach on June 11, 2016, 10:56:16 AM
Here you go chap.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save)

What a miserable piece of journalism, did Rondon run over his cat or something?

"The ball then bobbles out to the onrushing Rondon who scuffs a disappointing strike into the back of the net completely unworthy of the incredible passage of play fans had just witnessed." - F*ck me, do all goals now have to be approved for quality?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 11, 2016, 11:02:25 AM
What a miserable piece of journalism, did Rondon run over his cat or something?

Miserable, up his own backside, knob end of a self loving horny handed wrist twitcher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Downunder Stripes on June 19, 2016, 04:44:42 AM
Rondon goal v Argentina.

https://streamable.com/9ivv
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 19, 2016, 06:24:46 AM
A striker has to have a supply route to score.
Said it before he's good enough, give him the tools he'll do the job. Hope he comes back next season full of it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 19, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
I honestly think Rondon is about at the top end of players we can expect to sign.

Get two lads that can help him on the attacking front and he will "improve" dramatically on last season (10 goals in a very negative team) by simply having ammo, like others have said.

I may get a Venezuela shirt with Rondon on now!? He had a good Copa by the end.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 12, 2016, 11:14:01 AM
I'm looking forward to see what he can do next season when we get a supply up to him and a bit of support.
It could be do or die this season for Ron. He's had his honeymoon and the benefit of the doubt period.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on July 12, 2016, 11:25:14 AM
In all fairness to him, he got around 10 goals in a team which created very few chances. Most strikers would struggle with the support we offer at times!

I think if we can get more crosses into the box and more players around him, he will get goals aplenty!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
I'm looking forward to see what he can do next season when we get a supply up to him and a bit of support.
It could be do or die this season for Ron. He's had his honeymoon and the benefit of the doubt period.

me too. I think having Matt Phillips will help with him getting chances, if we can get someone in of equal or better quality on the left then I can see Rondon getting around the 16 goal mark.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on July 12, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
Sneaky feeling he will hit 20 goals in all comps next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2016, 11:44:30 AM
just play to his strengths tony pulis
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on July 21, 2016, 11:47:35 PM
anyone else pleasantly surprised with his naughty word goal today? I imagine it's something they've tinkered with this summer and I wonder if he'll get opportunities like that during the season.

Who does usually take FKs for the squad? Gardner?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 21, 2016, 11:56:35 PM
Only Gardener yeah Vrabbit. It would be good if he could provide some competition for our set pieces, but it has surprised me that he never takes ours (Or Venezuela's, Zenit's) penalties.

Maybe he should?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on July 22, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
He hit the ball with power & his placement was flawless (just clipping the post) a impossible save for any keeper on any day. Give him a go at taking some this season makes good sense to me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 22, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
Sneaky feeling he will hit 20 goals in all comps next season

Has a player ever got 20 goals in a season in a Tony Pulis team? I'd be surprised.

The lad is proving he's better with his feet than he is with his head, but that won't stop us hitting the ball up into the air in his general direction this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on July 22, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Has a player ever got 20 goals in a season in a Tony Pulis team? I'd be surprised.

The lad is proving he's better with his feet than he is with his head, but that won't stop us hitting the ball up into the air in his general direction this season.

Carl Asaba (22) and Ade Akinbiyi (22) got over 20 goals when Pulis was a lower league manager.

While he's been Premier League manager there's been nobody. Same for Hughes while at Stoke too.

Pulis: Fuller (11) Jones (12) Walters (12, 11, 11) Crouch (14)
Hughes: Diouf (12) Walters (11) Crouch (10, 10) Arnautovic (12)

There's no reason why Rondon can't get 15 goals if he takes over penalty duty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 22, 2016, 05:23:07 PM
He hit the ball with power & his placement was flawless (just clipping the post) a impossible save for any keeper on any day. Give him a go at taking some this season makes good sense to me.
you mean instead of gardner & brunt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 22, 2016, 07:41:40 PM
you mean instead of gardner & brunt.

hopefully Gardner will be on the pitch mostly as a sub, so Rondon will share free kick duties with Brunt (once he's fit). To be fair to Gardner though it's good for a team to have a selection of decent free kick takers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on July 22, 2016, 09:21:24 PM
Along with his free kick last night I was delighted with his ball to set up Saido against kiddy, worth a look if you've not seen it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 23, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
Carl Asaba (22) and Ade Akinbiyi (22) got over 20 goals when Pulis was a lower league manager.

While he's been Premier League manager there's been nobody. Same for Hughes while at Stoke too.

Pulis: Fuller (11) Jones (12) Walters (12, 11, 11) Crouch (14)
Hughes: Diouf (12) Walters (11) Crouch (10, 10) Arnautovic (12)

There's no reason why Rondon can't get 15 goals if he takes over penalty duty.

So no player had scored 20 goals in a Pulis team in the Premier League. Therefore the likelihood of Rondon doing it - when we only scored 34 league goals last season - is somewhere in the region of nil.

For the record, twenty goal a season strikers for a team of our level are rare, not just in a Pulis team. But to expect the lad to score double what he did last season in a team that doesn't score a goal a game is expecting too much imo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 23, 2016, 04:39:15 PM
64 times a player has scored 20+ goals in the PL in 24 seasons. Henry(5), Shearer (7), Van Nistelrooy (4), Aguero, Ferdinand(3) and RVP, Fowler, JFH, Kane, Drogba, Suarez, Wright, Rooney (2). These players make up nearly 50% of the times it's happened.

20 a season is what fans of Top 4 sides want of their £30m+ strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 24, 2016, 01:12:06 AM
64 times a player has scored 20+ goals in the PL in 24 seasons. Henry(5), Shearer (7), Van Nistelrooy (4), Aguero, Ferdinand(3) and RVP, Fowler, JFH, Kane, Drogba, Suarez, Wright, Rooney (2). These players make up nearly 50% of the times it's happened.

20 a season is what fans of Top 4 sides want of their £30m+ strikers.

Good numbers there Scooby.

I don't think anyone is thinking an Albion player will be getting 20 league goals anytime soon, especially under Pulis! But 15-20 inc cup goals would be a possible and very good target. Should Rondon stay firt I expect him to get 10+ because I think he's a solid player and about the best we can hope for. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on July 29, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
Salomon Rondon a shock target for Barcelona
link    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/29/report-west-bromwich-albion-star-salomon-rondon-a-shock-target-f/

Were in the sh-t if he goes  :o >:(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 29, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
Salomon Rondon a shock target for Barcelona
link    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/29/report-west-bromwich-albion-star-salomon-rondon-a-shock-target-f/

Were in the sh-t if he goes  :o >:(


50 million should do it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 01:40:19 PM
Salomon Rondon a shock target for Barcelona
link    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/29/report-west-bromwich-albion-star-salomon-rondon-a-shock-target-f/

Were in the sh-t if he goes  :o >:(

Almost as ludicrous as the Leon Best to sign for us rumour.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on July 29, 2016, 01:41:17 PM

50 million should do it

My understanding is that they are looking for a backup forward & i've no idea how much a backup forward fetch's these days but £50 seems over the top.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 29, 2016, 01:41:53 PM
A Spanish footy Mag named a huge list of "potential" targets Barca could get in to act as backup for the starting superstars.

There is zero actual work behind this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on July 29, 2016, 02:16:25 PM
A Spanish footy Mag named a huge list of "potential" targets Barca could get in to act as backup for the starting superstars.

There is zero actual work behind this.

Agreed it's a load of sh*te, but imagine he left along with Berahino and we start against Palace with Lambert up front  :o ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scruffy Stan on July 29, 2016, 02:26:55 PM
Agreed it's a load of sh*te, but imagine he left along with Berahino and we start against Palace with Lambert up front  :o ;D

That would be OK -Palace defenders would be doubled up laughing and we'd sneak the win.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 29, 2016, 04:04:30 PM
Almost as ludicrous as the Leon Best to sign for us rumour.
Although unrealistic I wouldn't have said it was on that scale if ludicrous; Rondon has scored goals in La Liga at a very respectable rate, 25 in 60 odd games.  Best just got released from Rotherham United.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 17, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
This article reckons we only paid £6.5m for Rondon.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/845039031?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 17, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
This article reckons we only paid £6.5m for Rondon.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/845039031?-11200:789:0

Is that not the fantasy league cost
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 17, 2016, 09:09:30 PM
you would think with it being the official premier league site that they would at least have the correct info.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 18, 2016, 07:48:08 AM
you would think with it being the official premier league site that they would at least have the correct info.
It is the correct info, the article is directly about his performance in the Fantasy football style game. 6.5mill is what it costs to have him in your 'dream team'.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WestBromJim on August 18, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
64 times a player has scored 20+ goals in the PL in 24 seasons. Henry(5), Shearer (7), Van Nistelrooy (4), Aguero, Ferdinand(3) and RVP, Fowler, JFH, Kane, Drogba, Suarez, Wright, Rooney (2). These players make up nearly 50% of the times it's happened.

20 a season is what fans of Top 4 sides want of their £30m+ strikers.

You forgot Sir Kevin Phillips, I'm sure he banged in over 30 one season for Sunderland
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2016, 02:07:59 PM
You forgot Sir Kevin Phillips, I'm sure he banged in over 30 one season for Sunderland

Yep, 1999-2000 season top PL scorer with 30 for Sunderland.

Back to Rondon apart from the prestige of being a Barcelona player, he is better staying in the most watched league in the world (and playing for the best club in it) :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 01, 2016, 12:54:54 AM
my dude will once again have rubbish service for at least half a season then be hated on by a number of fans for not being on pace to score 20 goals.

great
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 01:14:12 AM
I suggest wrapping Rondon in some bubble wrap during every break to keep him healthy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 01, 2016, 07:52:15 AM
If we have to rely on rondon for goals we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 08:09:37 AM
If we have to rely on rondon for goals we are in trouble.
We don't rely on Rondon for goals, we rely on set pieces  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on September 01, 2016, 08:16:53 AM
my dude will once again have rubbish service for at least half a season then be hated on by a number of fans for not being on pace to score 20 goals.

great

That's why Phillips and Chadli have been brought in. A holding midfielder would not have created more chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 01, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
That's why Phillips and Chadli have been brought in. A holding midfielder would not have created more chances.
A holding midfield player who's a good distributer can lead to more chances being created, especially on the counter.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
If he gets injured we are left with a striker who doesn't want to be here and HRK :(
Going to the Etihad and Old Trafford with Robson Kanu as the lone striker...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 01, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
Safe to say now that he is nailed on for the striker role until January.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2016, 01:19:06 PM
Safe to say now that he is nailed on for the striker role until January.

Which in itself breeds complacency. Let's hope he doesn't get injured or go through a bad spell like last season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 01:24:35 PM
Safe to say now that he is nailed on for the striker role until January.

That now a big problem in itself. He's still not really proved himself consistently at this level and is very hit a miss (excellent at Palace but poor since) but now he has no competition for his place.
He was way off the pace in the second half Saturday and seemed to give up at times which is another concern regarding how much of his heart is in the lone striker role.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 01, 2016, 06:00:19 PM
That now a big problem in itself. He's still not really proved himself consistently at this level and is very hit a miss (excellent at Palace but poor since) but now he has no competition for his place.
He was way off the pace in the second half Saturday and seemed to give up at times which is another concern regarding how much of his heart is in the lone striker role.

I wasn't able to watch the Everton game but I thought I read he was active in that game? I agree that he didn't have a good game against Boro but I thought they deserved some credit for that as well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on September 02, 2016, 12:23:32 AM
If we have to rely on rondon for goals we are in trouble.
rondon is a good player.in another side giving him service from the wings and through the middle not 30 yards apart he will score loads of goals i hope chadli is the 10 and can link him better than morrison or Saido
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 02, 2016, 09:49:30 AM
I still haven't changed my mind that Rondon is rubbish. Yes that is a bit harsh as he is good at attacking crosses and will get you ten goals a season but his touch is dog awful, as is his vision and link-up play which is pretty vital with our 4-5-1 system. Our OAP midfield can't play with him as they take an age to support him and he isn't a natural footballer who links. Correct to say he has zero support and is run ragged but I still think we would be much better with Berahino up front and Chadli supporting with Morrision on the right, Phillips on the left and Yacob / Fletcher screening.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on September 02, 2016, 09:52:41 AM
I still haven't changed my mind that Rondon is rubbish. Yes that is a bit harsh as he is good at attacking crosses and will get you ten goals a season but his touch is dog awful, as is his vision and link-up play which is pretty vital with our 4-5-1 system. Our OAP midfield can't play with him as they take an age to support him and he isn't a natural footballer who links. Correct to say he has zero support and is run ragged but I still think we would be much better with Berahino up front and Chadli supporting with Morrision on the right, Phillips on the left and Yacob / Fletcher screening.

He is not rubbish he just doesn't fit playing that role, just because he is a big lad doesn't mean he should automatically be amazing at holding the ball up.

If you asked Van Nistelrooy in his prime to play back to goal every game, you would say he was rubbish too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 02, 2016, 09:59:59 AM
Van Nistelrooy was actually very good with his back to goal. I have no issue with Rondon being a "big lad" but the fact he can't trap the ball or pass it and has no vision to link with the midfield is a huge problem. If you can bare to watch the last ten minutes of the terrible game with Boro you will see Rondon get the ball on the edge of the box, Berahino instinctively peels off to the back post looking for the pass. The boro defenders converge on Rondon who smashes a shot straight into them with Berahino free on the left. A half-decent player would have slid the ball left. It wasn't that he was being greedy, he didn't even see Berahino because he has no awareness or vision.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 10:01:16 AM
I still haven't changed my mind that Rondon is rubbish. Yes that is a bit harsh as he is good at attacking crosses and will get you ten goals a season but his touch is dog awful, as is his vision and link-up play which is pretty vital with our 4-5-1 system. Our OAP midfield can't play with him as they take an age to support him and he isn't a natural footballer who links. Correct to say he has zero support and is run ragged but I still think we would be much better with Berahino up front and Chadli supporting with Morrision on the right, Phillips on the left and Yacob / Fletcher screening.

I'm with you on this. Look at his goals on Youtube and you'll find that almost all are 6 yard box tap ins. He'll never get that service here. He's the wrong type of striker for the style we play. Ironically 2 of our best performances (both wins) last season came when he was suspended.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on September 03, 2016, 09:36:48 PM
Just because he doesn't get enough support in our system doesn't mean he is 'rubbish'. A lot of good footballers (especially strikers) wouldn't thrive in Pulis' system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 03, 2016, 10:50:19 PM
He'll forge a tremendous partnership with Chadli imo.

Saido who?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2016, 11:18:18 PM
He'll forget a tremendous partnership with Chadli imo.

Saido who?

i certainly hope not !
I do think that rondon is smarter than he's given credit for 9he makes some good runs but no-one picks them out) and he and Chadli could have have some potential, (which I think was your point)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on September 03, 2016, 11:35:09 PM
Just because he doesn't get enough support in our system doesn't mean he is 'rubbish'. A lot of good footballers (especially strikers) wouldn't thrive in Pulis' system.

Completely agree.

There's a half decent player here, i just think we need to give him a bit more service which hopefully the addition of Chadli will do that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba58 on September 03, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
I'm with you on this. Look at his goals on Youtube and you'll find that almost all are 6 yard box tap ins. He'll never get that service here. He's the wrong type of striker for the style we play. Ironically 2 of our best performances (both wins) last season came when he was suspended.

Also one of our best wins of the season, at home against man united, was when he had a blinder. Scored a great goal, and proved he could control a difficult ball into the box, and shoot on the turn (not an easy skill).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WestBromJim on September 03, 2016, 11:48:28 PM
Completely agree.

There's a half decent player here, i just think we need to give him a bit more service which hopefully the addition of Chadli will do that.

I'm with you, the guy is so isolated, so far he has had no runners off the ball and little or no help.

No directly comparing him, but I remember how bad Drogba was in his 1st season at Chelsea, I think Rondon will get loads better as the players around him get better.

I think he will be fine.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 04, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Create chances for him and we'll see that he is the closest thing to a world class striker that we could hope to attract. People are going on like he's the next Rosenberg but he scored 9 goals last season in a team that barely had a shot on target in most games.

Also, he isn't a target man. Remember his debut when he got Terry sent off? Remember when he ragdolled Huth against Leicester like he wasn't even there? Play through balls in behind and let him chase and out-muscle the defenders, and swing decent crosses in for him to attack with his superb aerial ability.

His touch, passing and vision are his weaknesses. We lump balls up for him to control and bring others into play while isolated on his own 40 yards from the midfield, which he isn't suited to. We may as well have kept Anichebe as he was the best chance we had for that tactic to work.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 04, 2016, 12:43:51 AM
rondon is a good player.in another side giving him service from the wings and through the middle not 30 yards apart he will score loads of goals i hope chadli is the 10 and can link him better than morrison or Saido
I don't think he's bad just don't rate the guy that much. Some people go on like he's the finished article and a top striker which he's not. I don't think he will score many a season in any team regardless of service. If he gets any more than 10 again this season ill be amazed. He works hard for the team ill give him that but he can't pass or control a ball and his finishing is poor in my eyes he snatches at chances most the time. I hope he proves me wrong and scores 15+. I just can't see it. Play behrahino in his position and he will get more goals than rondon all day long. Hate to admit it but it's true
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 07:43:05 AM
I don't think he's bad just don't rate the guy that much. Some people go on like he's the finished article and a top striker which he's not. I don't think he will score many a season in any team regardless of service. If he gets any more than 10 again this season ill be amazed. He works hard for the team ill give him that but he can't pass or control a ball and his finishing is poor in my eyes he snatches at chances most the time. I hope he proves me wrong and scores 15+. I just can't see it. Play behrahino in his position and he will get more goals than rondon all day long. Hate to admit it but it's true

I'd go along with you on the 15 goals a year, I think that would be a good target for him.

If you had a Super Kev playing along side him, and a midfield runner, the amount of space he creates by drawing defenders in they would fill there boots.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 04, 2016, 08:27:07 AM
Hate to be the guy that picks out YouTube highlights but it's very telling that in the season before he joined us at Zenit I think the majority of his goals were within 12 yards. The fact he mostly scores headers for us shows that he's not getting the ball where he's used to scoring from. Hopefully chadli plays him in closer to goal and he finds his shooting boots again.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 04, 2016, 08:48:48 AM
Hate to be the guy that picks out YouTube highlights but it's very telling that in the season before he joined us at Zenit I think the majority of his goals were within 12 yards. The fact he mostly scores headers for us shows that he's not getting the ball where he's used to scoring from. Hopefully chadli plays him in closer to goal and he finds his shooting boots again.
do agree though our support to him and service is shocking think chadli will improve it. And what I've seen of Phillips so far he can cross a ball. Think it that surprises me with pulis. Is that with stoke he hag genuine wingers who used to get to the byline and deliver. We've had these in mcmanaman. And now we have Phillips and he doesn't seem to utilize them in that way be it through them being to deep or not trusting mcmanaman I suppose I find it strange. I remember pennant and etherington being direct beating there man getting to the byline and whipping good crosses in for stoke. We don't seem to be able to do this. Unless old fashioned wing play is a dying art.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 10:03:23 AM
Hate to be the guy that picks out YouTube highlights but it's very telling that in the season before he joined us at Zenit I think the majority of his goals were within 12 yards. The fact he mostly scores headers for us shows that he's not getting the ball where he's used to scoring from. Hopefully chadli plays him in closer to goal and he finds his shooting boots again.
I agree with this. We never really played to Brown Ideye's strengths either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on September 05, 2016, 01:31:39 PM
Rondon in my opinion, is hopeless as a lone striker. Unfortunately, Berahino can't be arsed to put any effort in when he has played alongside Rondon. Best option would be to play either Leko or Phillips alongside Rondon. How about a mad idea? Play Olsson up front with Rondon, better than having him at the back just hoofing the ball upfield to nobody!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 05, 2016, 01:51:19 PM
To be fair Berahino has seldom been played as a striker under Pulis. He is usually on the bench or running around midfield. He got ten minutes against Boro upfront after initially being played in midfield which as we all know doesn't suit him. You'd think the coaching staff might notice that between them all...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on September 05, 2016, 02:04:04 PM
I despise Berahino with a passion; his performance against Northampton was a disgrace, anyone, and I do mean anyone, could have done better. He should never, never again wear an Albion shirt; put him on 'gardening leave' and let him rot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on September 05, 2016, 04:36:33 PM
To be fair Berahino has seldom been played as a striker under Pulis. He is usually on the bench or running around midfield. He got ten minutes against Boro upfront after initially being played in midfield which as we all know doesn't suit him. You'd think the coaching staff might notice that between them all...

We've seen Berahino in action plenty of times since his massive strop - he's been given more than enough chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 24, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
how many goals is that now in the last few games? as a goal ratio this guy could be something in the number 9 shirt!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on September 24, 2016, 10:57:20 PM
how many goals is that now in the last few games? as a goal ratio this guy could be something in the number 9 shirt!

Hard to see him here beyond this season, let's enjoy him while we can. Top player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 24, 2016, 11:41:17 PM
Rondon in my opinion, is hopeless as a lone striker. Unfortunately, Berahino can't be arsed to put any effort in when he has played alongside Rondon. Best option would be to play either Leko or Phillips alongside Rondon. How about a mad idea? Play Olsson up front with Rondon, better than having him at the back just hoofing the ball upfield to nobody!

Just lost any credibility in less than 70 words.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2016, 12:07:12 AM
Think he will bag 15 plus league goals this season ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on September 25, 2016, 12:11:48 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

On the list at the moment.

James Milner has had 3 shots and scored 3 goals. :o :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 25, 2016, 07:33:35 AM
I enjoyed his obvious delight at having scored and how he came across to celebrate in front of us  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on September 25, 2016, 08:32:19 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

On the list at the moment.

James Milner has had 3 shots and scored 3 goals. :o :o

Two of Milner's were penalties yesterday weren't they?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on September 25, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
 Rondon will have to improve his shooting accuracy in order to get 15 goals, he is way down in this department
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on September 25, 2016, 11:14:05 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

On the list at the moment.

James Milner has had 3 shots and scored 3 goals. :o :o

According to that list Chadli plays for Albion and Tottenham  :) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 26, 2016, 02:44:15 PM
Rondon is at the very top level of ability we can realistically be expected to sign I think. 12 goals in 40 leagues games to date. 3 in 6 games this season and we all know for certain he'd be getting even more if we were a little more attack minded.

His contract runs till June 2019, so 2 years at the end of the season.

Soon as he gets his 10th goal this season give him a new contract, add a year to it and ensure he's happy.

After prime Odemwingie & end of season Lukaku he's the best Prem striker we've had i think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on September 26, 2016, 04:44:06 PM
He is also such a likeable guy, much prefer cheering him on than someone of equal/better ability that is up themselves
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on September 26, 2016, 04:53:05 PM
Rondon will have to improve his shooting accuracy in order to get 15 goals, he is way down in this department

He'll get 15 I think. Took him until the end of October last time round to get 3.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 26, 2016, 06:14:12 PM
Rondon will have to improve his shooting accuracy in order to get 15 goals, he is way down in this department

WBA fans should be happy that someone is even attempting shots at goal. If someone has the stats I'd love to see them but I'm pretty sure his shooting accuracy has never been this low in other teams he's played in. Right now if gets a look, no matter how uncomfortable, and he feels there's no teammates near then he's probably shooting. What's he supposed to do? Hold the ball against 2-3 defenders while the rest of the midfield arrives?

I'm no fan of some of the shots he took against Stoke but I understand why he was taking them
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on October 31, 2016, 04:37:14 PM
could you guys just sell him? For what you're asking him to do you might as well just put Robson-Kanu out there, or even an extra CB like Olsson. Wasting his prime years in this awful game planning every week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on October 31, 2016, 04:39:09 PM
could you guys just sell him? For what you're asking him to do you might as well just put Robson-Kanu out there, or even an extra CB like Olsson. Wasting his prime years in this awful game planning every week.

You're right, we are indeed wasting the talent he has.

Saying that , he should have scored on Saturday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 31, 2016, 06:29:56 PM
Can tell he's frustrated. His head has seemed to drop for me in the last few weeks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 31, 2016, 06:43:46 PM
You're right, we are indeed wasting the talent he has.

Saying that , he should have scored on Saturday.
If its the chance I'm thinking of the cross took a deflection off a defender which made it more difficult for Rondon to get good contact on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on October 31, 2016, 06:44:44 PM
If its the chance I'm thinking of the cross took a deflection off a defender which made it more difficult for Rondon to get good contact on.

kind of making my point that we're going to be upset because he missed the ONE chance he had, however difficult it may had been
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 07, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on November 07, 2016, 10:52:29 PM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala

good, Venezuela HAS BEEN out of contention for a spot in the next WC and they might as well give other lads the opportunity to show what they have. We already know what we're getting with Rondon. Smart.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on November 08, 2016, 02:32:44 AM
 :D Love the bloke cant wait for Chadli,Phillips and Mozza to supply the bullets to him...when we play attacking football ?????
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on November 08, 2016, 08:05:44 AM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala
Give him a couple of days off, I reckon!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 08, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
:D Love the bloke cant wait for Chadli,Phillips and Mozza to supply the bullets to him...when we play attacking football ?????

Spot on chipper
More through balls will suit his style he is not at his best when his back is to goal           
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 08, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala

Where have you got this from chap?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 08, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
Spot on chipper
More through balls will suit his style he is not at his best when his back is to goal         

Totally agree. However I full expect to see another striker signed who does fit our style as opposed to the style changing to suit Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 08, 2016, 01:57:41 PM
Totally agree. However I full expect to see another striker signed who does fit our style as opposed to the style changing to suit Rondon.

Like the one we just let go you mean, the one who when in the middle of the field fell over like Bambi if someone touched his back but when in the box was has strong has a bull & could turn on a tanner. :o one trick pony
Not for me a little fast chappy in the Defoe mode only younger.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 08, 2016, 06:32:59 PM
Where have you got this from chap?

Sure I saw on facebook earlier that he hasn't gone as he's got an injury, hopefully its just a precautionary move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 08, 2016, 06:35:39 PM
Sure I saw on facebook earlier that he hasn't gone as he's got an injury, hopefully its just a precautionary move.

Confirmed on his twitter account.

https://twitter.com/salorondon23?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (https://twitter.com/salorondon23?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 09, 2016, 11:54:52 AM
Sure I saw on facebook earlier that he hasn't gone as he's got an injury, hopefully its just a precautionary move.

On the O/S it lists players playing in Internationals, Rondon not on the list.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 09, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
We have been quite lucky so far that he has stayed injury free.

Also don't think he is an out and out natural goalscorer but that's seems to be the way for lots of premier league teams but Rondon will get goals through hard work and determination and he does sometimes pop up in the right place at the right time. I would like him to work on his first touch as well.

Taking that into consideration we desperately need someone to complement him if not for the fact he travels half way round the world and back every month or two. Would we get another Rondon or a more nippy, poacher type?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
If only we could unearth another SKP, and having found them keeping them is another issue.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 09, 2016, 12:50:57 PM
If only we could unearth another SKP, and having found them keeping them is another issue.

We've shown we can keep them, just not keep them happy
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
We have been quite lucky so far that he has stayed injury free.

Also don't think he is an out and out natural goalscorer but that's seems to be the way for lots of premier league teams but Rondon will get goals through hard work and determination and he does sometimes pop up in the right place at the right time. I would like him to work on his first touch as well.

Taking that into consideration we desperately need someone to complement him if not for the fact he travels half way round the world and back every month or two. Would we get another Rondon or a more nippy, poacher type?

I totally agree with this. His touch is awful at times.

We need a completely different striker IMO to give us another option. Rondon is far too predictable. He is a hard working finisher but will always rely on supply. We need someone with pace and a bit of skill who can create their own chances. I've said it many times before but we need another Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on November 10, 2016, 12:58:16 AM
If only we could unearth another SKP, and having found them keeping them is another issue.
;D Berbatov...class player
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2016, 09:18:31 AM
;D Berbatov...class player
Totally agree, love Berbatov, but he is how old now?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 10, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
If Berbatov is still that good why has he been released and not snapped up by any club let alone us best years are gone, and we don`t need any more older players we need to bring the squad age down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2016, 11:56:25 AM
If Berbatov is still that good why has he been released and not snapped up by any club let alone us best years are gone, and we don`t need any more older players we need to bring the squad age down.

35, will be 36 in Jan ! 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 11, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
With Venezuela winning 5-0 last night without Rondon maybe they will rest him for the remaining group games!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 11, 2016, 04:59:17 PM
With Venezuela winning 5-0 last night without Rondon maybe they will rest him for the remaining group games!

Wishful thinking it was the wooden spoon match against Bolivia. If they beat Ecuador away next game maybe they might...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on November 11, 2016, 11:04:19 PM
I totally agree with this. His touch is awful at times.

I agree his touch and ability to link and make basic passes is awful. But you don't suddenly learn how to trap the ball when your a professional footballer. That's the sort of basic quality you have from 15 years old or you don't. If it could be coached everyone could train to be a footballer. The fact that he can't trap the ball is embarrassing but it won't change. Means he's limited to a 10 goal season target man due to his ability in the air which to be fair could be worse. Very frustrating for our midfield when they try to play off him though as the moves break down.

When he headed in the winning goal away at Norwich last season Chris Brunt smirked and noted how good he was at attacking crosses. I thought at the time the ironic smirk was an internal reference to how bad he his with the ball at his feet, such a contrast.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on November 12, 2016, 12:18:58 AM
I agree his touch and ability to link and make basic passes is awful. But you don't suddenly learn how to trap the ball when your a professional footballer. That's the sort of basic quality you have from 15 years old or you don't. If it could be coached everyone could train to be a footballer. The fact that he can't trap the ball is embarrassing but it won't change. Means he's limited to a 10 goal season target man due to his ability in the air which to be fair could be worse. Very frustrating for our midfield when they try to play off him though as the moves break down.

When he headed in the winning goal away at Norwich last season Chris Brunt smirked and noted how good he was at attacking crosses. I thought at the time the ironic smirk was an internal reference to how bad he his with the ball at his feet, such a contrast.
Think we may be over-doing this lack of ability with ball at his feet. The bulk of the time our midfield has been Yacob and Fletcher and they've hardly been trying to play off him. Yes sometimes his touch lets him down but often it's fine...it's not embarrassing at all. The overall game he provides is very good for us ...don't forget he's living off scraps a lot of the time. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 12, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
Think we may be over-doing this lack of ability with ball at his feet. The bulk of the time our midfield has been Yacob and Fletcher and they've hardly been trying to play off him. Yes sometimes his touch lets him down but often it's fine...it's not embarrassing at all. The overall game he provides is very good for us ...don't forget he's living off scraps a lot of the time.

Bang on. Some very very harsh words about him being said. A class act on his day.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on November 12, 2016, 04:44:09 PM
Rondon regularly passes the ball as well as most other team members and his hold up play is better than any of the other front men we  have had in the time he has been here. However have not seen anything  of HRK in the same role
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 21, 2016, 08:35:49 PM
33rd minute Vs Burnley and as yet Rondon hasn't scored and he may not today, but that's regardless of the fact he's playing fantastically.

Love the bloke! He's not an Odemwingie flying goal machine, but he's brilliant for how we currently play. Fair play to Pulis (for whom we all know i'm not a fan) for bringing him in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on November 21, 2016, 09:57:35 PM
33rd minute Vs Burnley and as yet Rondon hasn't scored and he may not today, but that's regardless of the fact he's playing fantastically.

Love the bloke! He's not an Odemwingie flying goal machine, but he's brilliant for how we currently play. Fair play to Pulis (for whom we all know i'm not a fan) for bringing him in.

He scored the most deserved goal. The first 45 mins was one of the best front man displays Ive seen in a very long time from an Albion number 9.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
Absolutely unplayable tonight, their 2 centre halves couldnt cope with him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboy1 on November 21, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Absolutely awesome tonight. We need to make sure that he is with us for a long time.  Show him the money. If ever a player deserved a goal tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 21, 2016, 10:59:02 PM
so pleased he bagged himself a goal as that performance deserved one and to top it he seems like a smashing bloke
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 21, 2016, 11:14:15 PM
Anyone hear his interview after the game? He still seems to be struggling with English somewhat. Would go someway to explaining why it took him as long as it did to fit in and get up to speed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 21, 2016, 11:16:05 PM
Thought he was pretty special today, well done Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on November 21, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Outstanding centre forward performance tonight. Critical to the way we play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 21, 2016, 11:51:18 PM
Absolutely awesome tonight. We need to make sure that he is with us for a long time.  Show him the money. If ever a player deserved a goal tonight.
Show him what money? I thought he was being paid.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2016, 11:57:18 PM
Tie him down to a longer deal as eventually some bids will come in and we want to make sure he can't run his contract down
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on November 22, 2016, 01:09:59 AM
Tie him down to a longer deal as eventually some bids will come in and we want to make sure he can't run his contract down

I genuinely think we may struggle to hold onto him in January after that performance. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 22, 2016, 02:10:17 AM
This bloke has to be one of the most underrated in the entire league. A superb target man, not sure there's many better at winning the ball with his chest and looking after it than him.

Deserved his goal. And as usual, played a big part in a couple of goals today.

Was heavily involved in both goals against Leicester also. Does a lot of good work which goes unnoticed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on November 22, 2016, 05:02:19 AM
Typical Albion fans, someone is rubbish he gets pulled apart by them week after week, someone is playing well and it's we won't be able to hold on to him.
Get a grip you load of pessimistic miseries. :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 22, 2016, 06:37:50 AM
I genuinely think we may struggle to hold onto him in January after that performance.

Add quality around him that's what we need to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 07:40:57 AM
We should be looking to offer this boy a new contract asap.

His work rate every game is outstanding, really does put a shift in.

The one last night were he cleared the corner, then within seconds he is chasing his own flick on and winning a free kick in Burnleys half.

Easily one of our best players, looking even more effective now he has players around him who can pick a pass.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 22, 2016, 10:33:06 AM
Second game running now he's absolutely bullied the two central defenders. He may not be a high scorer because of how we ask him to play but he's a top quality player when in form.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 22, 2016, 10:41:26 AM
He doesn't need to be a high scorer to be a top quality centre forward though.

By giving centre backs such a torrid time, he opens up spaces and opportunities for midfielders to get in on the goals. The reason why this didn't happen last season was because they were often 40 yards behind him.

He's not better now than he has always been for us during the last 15 months. The difference is he's currently getting much needed support in and around him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on November 22, 2016, 10:47:46 AM
Love this bloke. Great performance last night, chased, put pressure on, assisted, scored.

He opens up a lot for us with his work rate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 22, 2016, 10:51:32 AM
Love this bloke. Great performance last night, chased, put pressure on, assisted, scored.

He opens up a lot for us with his work rate

He reminds me a lot of Shane Long.

A little slower admittedly, but better at holding the ball up, finishing and all round decision making
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2016, 10:54:46 AM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 22, 2016, 10:56:43 AM
If the last few performances aren't proof that this guy is superb when he has support around him, I don't know what is. Saido was too lazy and selfish to be an effective partner for him, and having 3 behind him rather than a flat defensive 5 is paying off.

His two goals against West Ham and last night show he's great on the turn too. Keep it up Sal!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 22, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing

Just had a quick look at everyones squad

Bournemouth, Everton (if Lukaku goes), West Ham

Feel like teams who might want a look.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 22, 2016, 11:26:40 AM
Much better last night probably his best performance for us. Exactly what I'd expect to see from a target man. Let's hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on November 22, 2016, 11:30:30 AM
Just had a quick look at everyones squad

Bournemouth, Everton (if Lukaku goes), West Ham

Feel like teams who might want a look.

West Ham could do with him, Zaza is pants
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing

Majority of the teams in the league would be happy to have him in their squad, would all just depend on who would be willing to spend the money we would want for him.

It would be in our best interests to get him tied down to another deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 22, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing

Seem to remember Liverpool were rumoured to be interested in him when we was at Zenit.

They signed some chappy who was never going to fit into their style of play instead.

His name was Benteke.

Unlucky Brendan  8) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
Seem to remember Liverpool were rumoured to be interested in him when we was at Zenit.

They signed some chappy who was never going to fit into their style of play instead.

His name was Benteke.

Unlucky Brendan  8) .

Liverpool are attempting a title tilt without a recognised centre forward... Rondon could easily be their Diego Costa and a great foil for Coutinho Firmino Mane and Lallana.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
Daniel Sturridge + 20 million in our favour :D only joking folks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on November 22, 2016, 02:00:49 PM
I get the distinct impression that Salomon is quite happy where he is at present. He was awesome last night, a fact recognised by the Burnley fans on their site. If we are going to move forward and progress, we should not be thinking about who may want to buy him who are a) in the PL, and b) below us.......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 22, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
I have to chuckle with myself when radio WUMs franksy phone in keep insisting that kodja at the vile is better than rondon,what a load of billhooks, yes kodja is a very good championship CF but unlike rondon unproven in the highest league
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on November 22, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
I have to chuckle with myself when radio WUMs franksy phone in keep insisting that kodja at the vile is better than rondon,what a load of billhooks, yes kodja is a very good championship CF but unlike rondon unproven in the highest league


Just stupidity. Ignore it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 22, 2016, 04:29:28 PM
Have always seen glimpses of what he showed last night. I agree that I don't think he has improved much, it's just that now he has support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 22, 2016, 04:56:21 PM
Unless his control and touch improve dramatically then I don't think he'll be going anywhere soon especially to some of the clubs mentioned here. He was very good last night but against possibly the worst defensive performance I've seen for years at this level. Against better sides he rarely looks a goal threat despite the shift he puts in. He now needs to prove his worth on a regular basis and we need to sign another striker to support him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 22, 2016, 05:35:54 PM
He doesn't look a goal threat as until the last 2 games we as a team have never looked a goal threat!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on November 22, 2016, 05:48:19 PM
Unless his control and touch improve dramatically then I don't think he'll be going anywhere soon especially to some of the clubs mentioned here. He was very good last night but against possibly the worst defensive performance I've seen for years at this level. Against better sides he rarely looks a goal threat despite the shift he puts in. He now needs to prove his worth on a regular basis and we need to sign another striker to support him.
OMG, I can't believe there are people criticising Rondon. He was absolutely fantastic last night, he was absolutely fantastic against Leicester, and he has been somewhere between good and fantastic all season. He was pretty good for most of last season too, and has come on even more. He is a terrific player and terrifies defenders on a regular basis, often more or less all by himself. Honestly, why am I defending the guy? It is completely obvious surely
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 22, 2016, 05:52:45 PM
He doesn't look a goal threat as until the last 2 games we as a team have never looked a goal threat!!

Bloody hell mukka I suppose Messie is to to small & take away his goals what else does he do. :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on November 22, 2016, 06:42:08 PM
I would be looking at extending his contract pronto
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on November 22, 2016, 07:43:39 PM
I would be looking at extending his contract pronto
Me too. As Fletcher said last night he's made for the premier league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on November 22, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
To think he only cost £12mil what is he worth to us now, he's really started to excel this season and the last two games especially he has been a different level, deserves so much credit for his contribution in the goals at Leicester and really deserved that goal last night.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on November 22, 2016, 09:19:37 PM
A real beast the past two games and has looked as good as anything in the division doing a similar pivotal role- need to tie him down as other clubs come sniffing ..........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 22, 2016, 09:34:39 PM
some fans on social media  court controversay  Rondon was good last season but now he`s used to the premiership he is immense those who say not have not played  watched or been involved in football or thats how it seems because if they believe that and that a championship player like Kodja who`s never been near the premiership is anywhere near Rondon needs there heads looked at .Paul Franks that WM loudmouth and Dingle lover never has a good word about Albion and any Albion fan who can slag of Rondon has not been watching us this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 22, 2016, 09:42:47 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on November 22, 2016, 09:48:31 PM
some fans on social media  court controversay  Rondon was good last season but now he`s used to the premiership he is immense those who say not have not played  watched or been involved in football or thats how it seems because if they believe that and that a championship player like Kodja who`s never been near the premiership is anywhere near Rondon needs there heads looked at .Paul Franks that WM loudmouth and Dingle lover never has a good word about Albion and any Albion fan who can slag of Rondon has not been watching us this season.
While I agree with your view on Rondon keep in mind other peoples views are just as important  and welcome on this forum  as yours whether they have played the game , been involved with the game or played Fifa video games since '96.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on November 22, 2016, 09:51:24 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness

comparing them is like comparing Drogba in his prime and Sam Vokes...not even a contest. Different levels.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on November 22, 2016, 10:25:53 PM
13 goals and 4 assists in a season and a third is a tremendous return for the way we set up most matches.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Matty on November 22, 2016, 10:48:13 PM
http://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 22, 2016, 11:25:15 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness
yup they been banging on for a few weeks now that kodjia is the better player,he did play well against us in the cup for bristol but cmonnnnnnn,he could well be another benik afobe
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on November 22, 2016, 11:38:49 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness

Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 23, 2016, 12:01:48 AM
Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer
yeah but only rondon has played at the top table,so no contest,theres lots of good championship strikers who have failed at the top table and until he proves himself there then for me rondon is the real deal
i will self edit this kodjia 6 in 15 for vile in a lesser league and rondon 15 in 45 at the top table,more or less similar
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 23, 2016, 12:35:46 AM
Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer

Rondon is a proven goal scorer in the top leagues. He is a striker known all over the world who probably should be playing for a better team than us. Kodjia is a journeyman striker who has scored the majority of his goals in ligue 2 and the championship. To even compare the two is ridiculous. Also rondon has 106 goals in 285 games and kodjia 47 in 146 so rondon has a better rate in much more difficult leagues. Bare in mind rondon has also played in a tony pulis side for the past year and a bit!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on November 23, 2016, 12:38:19 AM
Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer

Kodija played in the French second division and the championship, hardly comparable quality. Rondon's played in La Liga, the Premier, and the Russian premier (where he was a 1 in 2 striker) since he was 21. Rondon would be a 20+ goals a season striker playing in the championship, his record is already decent for us playing in a team that generally creates very few chances whilst he doesn't take penalties either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on November 23, 2016, 12:45:00 AM
Rondon is a proven goal scorer in the top leagues. He is a striker known all over the world who probably should be playing for a better team than us. Kodjia is a journeyman striker who has scored the majority of his goals in ligue 2 and the championship. To even compare the two is ridiculous. Also rondon has 106 goals in 285 games and kodjia 47 in 146 so rondon has a better rate in much more difficult leagues. Bare in mind rondon has also played in a tony pulis side for the past year and a bit!

Not saying kodjia is better calm down, just saying... I saw online that kodjia has something like 60 goals in his 82 professional games he has played ... which is a lot more goals per game than rondons record hence why I said I can see why they say he is the better goalscorer.

Regardless of leagues and who's played where, stats will remain the same.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on November 23, 2016, 01:06:50 AM
I'd still like to see us sign Kodjia. Imagine him up front with Rondon in some games, or as an alternative in other games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on November 23, 2016, 06:51:44 AM
Not saying kodjia is better calm down, just saying... I saw online that kodjia has something like 60 goals in his 82 professional games he has played ... which is a lot more goals per game than rondons record hence why I said I can see why they say he is the better goalscorer.

Regardless of leagues and who's played where, stats will remain the same.
Dan pointed out a key point Kodjia takes pens Rondon dosen't , i think he has scored 3 pens for vile .
Never mind the fact we are trying to compare a premier striker to a championship striker  in open play Rondon scores more goals per game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 23, 2016, 09:13:20 AM
Dan pointed out a key point Kodjia takes pens Rondon dosen't , i think he has scored 3 pens for vile .
Never mind the fact we are trying to compare a premier striker to a championship striker  in open play Rondon scores more goals per game.

Not only that, trying to compare two players on nothing but goal ratio and arguing that better goal ratio = better striker, completely ignores all of the other traits and qualities it take to be a great centre forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 23, 2016, 09:18:51 AM
Someone needs to call the show tonight to put them both straight, franksie and whats his name regan.Like Liam says they probably say it to entice callers but its a joke comment to be fair
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 23, 2016, 09:20:27 AM
I will say this 1000 times there is no comparison Rondon is the number 1 striker in the west midlands bye a country mile and one of the best in the country and has played in top European leagues. Kodja has never played in a top league anywhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on November 23, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
Had to go over the past few postings to see if this part of the thread was for real.......

Kodjia better than Rondon??

Comedy gold, what station was that on???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 23, 2016, 09:48:11 AM
listen in later they will continue what they call a debate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 24, 2016, 08:33:31 PM
Out the two , I'd take Rondon, but I wouldn't mind both.
   

              Kodija.    Rondon

  Phillips.       Chadli.       Montero

                   Camacho

Don't look bad , does it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on November 24, 2016, 08:57:56 PM
Had to go over the past few postings to see if this part of the thread was for real.......

Kodjia better than Rondon??

Comedy gold, what station was that on???
it was on radio delusional twats, where most of its listeners live in the aston area. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 24, 2016, 10:20:58 PM
Looks rubbish we have no defense  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 24, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
Looks rubbish we have no defense  ;D ;D ;D
It's there...right at the bottom. Who is the left back called Don't though? And do we really need a Bad goalkeeper?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 14, 2016, 09:58:02 PM
doubt he'll rank any other game in his career above this one, absolutely thrilled for him.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on December 14, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
That was superb from Salomon

3 absolutely world class headers

Delighted for the bloke
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
He's a very good all round player playing probably the hardest striking role in the division. It's made easier when both Chadli and Morrison play in midfield and of course when he is in receipt of wonderful deliveries from Phillips and Brunt but usually it's a long hard slog ploughing a lone furrow in front of the other 9 Albion outfield players. Thrilled by him and for him tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2016, 10:02:16 PM
great performance from salmon rondon,feed him the ball and he will score,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2016, 10:02:56 PM
that's what you get when you supply a good striker.
you cant fire a gun without bullets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on December 14, 2016, 10:07:06 PM
Three brilliant headers tonight and an excellent all round performance where once again he works so hard for the team.

Have to mention the wonderful deliveries from Brunt and Phillips though.  The kind of crosses strikers thrive upon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on December 14, 2016, 10:21:44 PM
More positive reports sent back to their clubs by the scouts who will have been there to watch him tonight, no doubt. Works his socks off and he's now beginning to reap the rewards with good service, he deserves all of the success that will come his way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on December 14, 2016, 10:22:07 PM
He rose like a Salomon for the third
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 14, 2016, 10:29:54 PM
Three brilliant headers tonight and an excellent all round performance where once again he works so hard for the team.

Have to mention the wonderful deliveries from Brunt and Phillips though.  The kind of crosses strikers thrive upon.

If Man U panic and offer a stupid amount then OK, but any talk of mid table tat like West Ham and Everton and they can do one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 14, 2016, 10:39:53 PM
Absolute beast today. Works hard, doesn't stop running, doesn't let a few misses stop him. Superb for months now.

Imagine those crosses into 50p head Berahino.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2016, 10:40:39 PM
took me right back to big cyrilles days,have we had better than big Sal since those great days?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 14, 2016, 10:43:19 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589669_1630389560596719_6997075388129184904_n.jpg?oh=04554e46fc5a72848ef9dc46ea9a44bb&oe=58F78ABA)

looks like he had all of his teammates signed his shirt from tonight's game  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 14, 2016, 10:46:41 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589669_1630389560596719_6997075388129184904_n.jpg?oh=04554e46fc5a72848ef9dc46ea9a44bb&oe=58F78ABA)

looks like he had all of his teammates signed his shirt from tonight's game  ;D

Ha and Gardner has written 'Ran (Ron?) your balls off!' on it  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Air Force Ron!!!!!!!

Unbelievable.......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589669_1630389560596719_6997075388129184904_n.jpg?oh=04554e46fc5a72848ef9dc46ea9a44bb&oe=58F78ABA)

looks like he had all of his teammates signed his shirt from tonight's game  ;D
zoom in to the top left of the shirt someone signed, ran your balls off,
class.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 14, 2016, 10:55:06 PM
Astle-esque. Ron the don!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on December 14, 2016, 10:59:26 PM
What a pleasure it was to see Rondon score those goals. He goes out there game after game working his butt off and never lets up whether or not he is getting any service. Would love to see him go on a little scoring run here in the coming matches that we have coming between now and through the new year!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
only the second player since the prem formed to score a hatrick of headers,well done sir :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 14, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
Its like Cyrille is back this man is a Monster and does`nt let the misses get him down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
bit of perspective please, rondons decent but he certainly isn't on a par with regis,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on December 14, 2016, 11:31:12 PM
Its like Cyrille is back this man is a Monster and does`nt let the misses get him down.
I don't let the missus get me down either  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on December 14, 2016, 11:41:55 PM
That last header was superb. The others were good but that was something else. Usually a player would either loop it on target with no power or go for power and put it wide, but to do both was fantastic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 14, 2016, 11:45:58 PM
Absolutely superb and a really likable lad too from all you see and hear of him. Some superb headers, if we provide the ammunition for him he will put them away
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2016, 11:57:30 PM
took me right back to big cyrilles days,have we had better than big Sal since those great days?

Not counting Lukaku and Odemwingie aside we haven't had a striker with the pedigree of Rondon since the early 80s. We've had some great strikers Goodman Taylor Hunt Hughes Roberts Earnshaw Phillips Berahino to name a few but yes Rondon is a better player than any of them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on December 15, 2016, 12:59:10 AM
Not counting Lukaku and Odemwingie aside we haven't had a striker with the pedigree of Rondon since the early 80s. We've had some great strikers Goodman Taylor Hunt Hughes Roberts Earnshaw Phillips Berahino to name a few but yes Rondon is a better player than any of them.
:D Lukaku was pretty handy don't forget even though he was only a season long loan....but Rondon will do me at the moment...he is brutal when he gets good service
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on December 15, 2016, 06:35:22 AM
Could have sworn that they said he was only the second player ever to score headed hat trick in the Premier League
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 15, 2016, 07:10:09 AM
Could have sworn that they said he was only the second player ever to score headed hat trick in the Premier League

Correct - Duncan Ferguson in 1997 against Bolton was the first.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on December 15, 2016, 07:41:51 AM
bit of perspective please, rondons decent but he certainly isn't on a par with regis,

There are times he's more like big Cynthia than big Cyrille .

Still got a lot of work to do on first touch and knowing when to win free kicks for me .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 07:53:44 AM
There are times he's more like big Cynthia than big Cyrille .

Still got a lot of work to do on first touch and knowing when to win free kicks for me .

you mean cheat?

Not for me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on December 15, 2016, 08:20:28 AM
you mean cheat?

Not for me

It's not cheating it's knowing when to slow the game down to suit our situation .

Robson Kanu did it when we were under pressure in injury time out on the right touchline .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 08:38:22 AM
It's not cheating it's knowing when to slow the game down to suit our situation .

Robson Kanu did it when we were under pressure in injury time out on the right touchline .

If you go looking for a free kick and over react to the slightest contact, then for me its cheating. Not a part of the game I like to be honest. You can slow the game down through possession etc

I know its part of the game Mo and know where you are coming from, but when I hear comments from the so called TV pundits saying 'he was looking for the contact etc', then for me that's cheating and I cannot believe it is being condoned.

Its a contact sport, we cannot get away from that, but I am not aware of a rule that says 'if another player touches you, you are entitled to over act the touch, do an Oscar winning dive and win a free kick [or penalty] for your team'.

For me I am pleased Rondon is not like that

Chopper Harris would never last more than 5 minutes a game these days.........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2016, 08:44:26 AM
The lad is fantastic. At times hes unplayable and arguably other than Costa the best "target man" or "hold up player" in the league.

Not many play up top top like he does and not many are as good as him.

Loving him at the club although im now doubting how long we can keep him if he continues this form.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 15, 2016, 08:55:49 AM
Loving him at the club although im now doubting how long we can keep him if he continues this form.

Now that he's up and running properly I'd give the lad the best contract we can afford with 3 years or so added to it and to be fair to him offer a release clause to Champions League clubs at say £40m (given the market these days).

He's a smart and ambitious guy, so he may wish to move up and I can't blame him. But he's a gem and we need to make the most of that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
Now that he's up and running properly I'd give the lad the best contract we can afford with 3 years or so added to it and to be fair to him offer a release clause to Champions League clubs at say £40m (given the market these days).

He's a smart and ambitious guy, so he may wish to move up and I can't blame him. But he's a gem and we need to make the most of that.

If he carries on like that he can have the keys to my house and the missus...... ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 15, 2016, 08:59:06 AM
If he carries on like that he can have the keys to my house and the missus...... ;D

We're trying to keep him! Don't drive him away! :P :-* ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 15, 2016, 09:17:14 AM
You can keep your ideye's and berahinos. This guy is the real deal, a properly likeable character, actually smiles unless most premier league robots, but his desire to bring others into play and be our true targetman is paying off. Now whos the best striker in the premier league...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 09:22:35 AM
We're trying to keep him! Don't drive him away! :P :-* ;D

Fair point!!!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 15, 2016, 09:30:13 AM
Do the bunch of idiots on the local radio still think that guy who plays for the mid table championship side Aston Villa is better?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 15, 2016, 09:40:27 AM
All i said is that it was like having Cyrille back not that he was as good as the best centre forward to play for the baggies {AND YES I LOVED ASTLE TO }and I will say it for a third time It was like having Cyrille back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on December 15, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
Fantastic hat-trick last night, love the bloke.

Really likeable character, never stops and always gives his all, but has the quality to match.

Kept his head up after he should have scored first half, the last one was fantastic. Best of the lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on December 15, 2016, 11:59:45 AM
STATS !!!!!!

Rondon has scored 16 goals in the Premier League since the start of last season - 11 more than any other Baggies player. (James Morrison is on five).
The striker's hat-trick was also the quickest by a Baggies player in the Premier League (13 minutes), overtaking the record set by Rob Earnshaw in March 2005 against Charlton (16 minutes).
Chris Brunt - who assisted twice in this game - has 42 Premier League assists for West Brom, 19 more than any other player for the club.
The Baggies have scored 10 goals in their last three home Premier League games - more than they managed in their previous 10 games at the Hawthorns in the competition (8).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2016, 12:03:42 PM
We'll do extremely well to keep him, people who play the lone striker role as well as him are gold dust. Wouldn't be too surprised if Spurs go for him in the summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 15, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
We'll do extremely well to keep him, people who play the lone striker role as well as him are gold dust. Wouldn't be too surprised if Spurs go for him in the summer.
How ironic.
Will they offer to pay it a pound a week again, like Kays catalogue or the Provvie?  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on December 15, 2016, 12:15:38 PM
All i said is that it was like having Cyrille back not that he was as good as the best centre forward to play for the baggies {AND YES I LOVED ASTLE TO }and I will say it for a third time It was like having Cyrille back.

I posted on the match thread that the second goal was like watching Cyrille, body shape and power. Fantastic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on December 15, 2016, 12:17:14 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-album-hunt-2710378.aspx?site=desktop&site=desktop

Anyone remember this? Andy Hunt home debut 7 minute 2nd half hat-trick.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-album-hunt-2710378.aspx?site=desktop&site=desktop

Anyone remember this? Andy Hunt home debut 7 minute 2nd half hat-trick.

Remember it well, still got that shirt!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 15, 2016, 01:08:22 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-album-hunt-2710378.aspx?site=desktop&site=desktop

Anyone remember this? Andy Hunt home debut 7 minute 2nd half hat-trick.

Not really no.

I was at the game but got escorted out by the police about ten minutes before his first  :-X .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 15, 2016, 01:59:34 PM
I posted on the match thread that the second goal was like watching Cyrille, body shape and power. Fantastic.
And the way the keeper bounced off him in the 1st half. Remember many a big Centre Half running into Big Cyrille and ending up on his backside!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 15, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Needs tying down to a long term deal in our favour
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2016, 02:39:41 PM
Everton will lose Lukaku in the summer, their new direct approach suits Ronnie.
Spurs will come calling for a new second striker to take pressure off Kane.
Liverpool only running with Origi - Ronnie is better than him.
West Ham will go for a big-spend on a striker again.
Needless to say Man City, Chelsea & United will again target a back-up striker, all of whom im sure would be looking at Ronnie if this was the case (hes better than Bony was before he went to City).

We MUST get him on a deal ASAP with a huge release-clause.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 15, 2016, 03:37:58 PM
He`s our best striker in the premiership era { including Lukaku } selfless individual who fights for the cause.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on December 15, 2016, 06:59:03 PM
Hey guys,I always said he was going to be a top striker.

Whats he worth now,i wonder?

40 million?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 15, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
Hey guys,I always said he was going to be a top striker.

Whats he worth now,i wonder?

40 million?
He's worth as much as anyone is prepared to pay for him but from yesterday a lot of clubs will be sitting up and taking notice now.the club need to get him in and revise his contract and wages immediately, not only is he our most saleable asset but a good guy to boot which makes for a pleasant change after saddogate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 15, 2016, 10:42:52 PM
I don't wish to spoil the mood, but this is one of the reasons why I care little for what was my beloved game of interest. My club paid a fair wedge to purchase Rondon, he is paid a hefty wage, and when he eventually gets around to doing what he's paid to do, some think the club should increase his income on the off chance that his run of form will continue, and the elitist clubs will come sniffing around. If he's still banging them come Easter, fair enough. Until then, our club can ill afford to chuck money at a bloke when those financial resources can be used to employ someone in a position that needs to be filled. Despite all that, I love this guy, and hope his rich vein of form continues.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on December 16, 2016, 12:51:08 AM
Rondon is almost certainly not the best striker in the Premier League but he's no slouch. He is contracted to us until 2019 so there is no urgency in getting him to sign a new contract and in any event we are probably witnessing a player at or close to his peak.

While I think he is nearly the perfect striker for us I' m not so sure that he is particularly suited to a more possession orientated style of football and that knocks out a least four or five of the handful of teams that could table a bid big enough to interest us in the short term.
 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on December 16, 2016, 05:52:07 AM
Rondon is almost certainly not the best striker in the Premier League but he's no slouch. He is contracted to us until 2019 so there is no urgency in getting him to sign a new contract and in any event we are probably witnessing a player at or close to his peak.

While I think he is nearly the perfect striker for us I' m not so sure that he is particularly suited to a more possession orientated style of football and that knocks out a least four or five of the handful of teams that could table a bid big enough to interest us in the short term.

I agree you only have to look at Benteke at Liverpool to realize  such teams desire players upfront with an allround game who can bring in to play the quality players around them, a Peter Beardsley type player if you will.
As much as i love Rondon i don't think he is a fit for one of the top teams so  we should enjoy seeing him in our colours for a while yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on December 16, 2016, 09:34:21 AM
Hopefully that will be the case. It's probably unlikely but I guess it's not beyond the bounds for someone like Spurs to want a bit of a plan B and decrease the reliance on Kane being fit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 16, 2016, 09:39:49 AM
They'd have been better off signing Rondon than Sissoko or Janssen in fairness.

Can't see us selling any time soon, would have to be for over £20m so cannot see too many bids coming in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 16, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
1. SKP and Cyrille were better over an extended period, check the stats out.
2. He is in a rich vein of form and long may it continue
3. He will have suitors, there can be little doubt of that.
4. He has his head screwed on and he knows how fortunate he and his family are to be in UK, (see the interview with him from the summer)

I think he's bloody good particularly given he is asked to do sooo much work on his own. He could be great, time will tell. We should enjoy him while he is here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
I'm not so sure he's in a rich vein of form as some are suggesting. Yes he scored 3 on Wednesday but he missed some good chances in the first half  and also missed a sitter against Hull and looked well off the pace against Watford.

I'm not knocking him but I just feel some posters are going a bit overboard in their praise for him.

His all round play is decent but he gets bullied a bit too much for someone of his size.

I hope Wednesday was the start of him scoring on a more regular basis as that is what is lacking most in his game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on December 16, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
I'm not so sure he's in a rich vein of form as some are suggesting. Yes he scored 3 on Wednesday but he missed some good chances in the first half  and also missed a sitter against Hull and looked well off the pace against Watford.

I'm not knocking him but I just feel some posters are going a bit overboard in their praise for him.

His all round play is decent but he gets bullied a bit too much for someone of his size.

I hope Wednesday was the start of him scoring on a more regular basis as that is what is lacking most in his game.

I think the thing is we probably notice his misses more because we don't create as many opportunities some times. Not even Aguero scores every shot for example.

So if you say a decent-ish Striker takes 1 in every 3 chances sometimes it can take us a couple of games to get him those 3 good chances where as a City will create Aguero 3 a game. I know it's different levels but I hope I make sense?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 16, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
I am sorry hullbaggie I cannot agree with you the man gets bullied by no one and has a decent strike rate there is a difference to being bullied and being kicked from pillar to post ie Watford and still he came back for more. If thats not knocking him what is as iv`e said before even when the club is doing well we have to have a dig at some players were 7th and playing well lets all get behind all of the Team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 11:55:10 AM
I think the thing is we probably notice his misses more because we don't create as many opportunities some times. Not even Aguero scores every shot for example.

So if you say a decent-ish Striker takes 1 in every 3 chances sometimes it can take us a couple of games to get him those 3 good chances where as a City will create Aguero 3 a game. I know it's different levels but I hope I make sense?

Yes it does make sense and I accept your point, I just think he should have scored some of the easier chances he's had lately.The last minute miss against Hull really rankles with me, how could he miss that yet score those 3 beauties on Wednesday?
 It's not just about scoring goals though, he does get bullied. Even on Wednesday Mawson had the better of him in the 1st half. Once he'd got the first he totally dominated Mawson and looked livelier and sharper. Confidence boost I guess.
I'm glad he plays for us and hope that Wednesday was the start of him becoming more consistent with his goal scoring and all round play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 16, 2016, 11:59:32 AM
Yes it does make sense and I accept your point, I just think he should have scored some of the easier chances he's had lately.The last minute miss against Hull really rankles with me, how could he miss that yet score those 3 beauties on Wednesday?
 It's not just about scoring goals though, he does get bullied. Even on Wednesday Mawson had the better of him in the 1st half. Once he'd got the first he totally dominated Mawson and looked livelier and sharper. Confidence boost I guess.
I'm glad he plays for us and hope that Wednesday was the start of him becoming more consistent with his goal scoring and all round play.
Nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism mate. It's what forums are for.
I agree with both, I think he is playing well and is a bit of a beast, but he does get knocked about a bit. Wednesday will have given him a massive confidence boost so he should be really up for the United game. Can't see him getting bullied in this one, he should be strutting like the cock of the walk.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 12:05:33 PM
I am sorry hullbaggie I cannot agree with you the man gets bullied by no one and has a decent strike rate there is a difference to being bullied and being kicked from pillar to post ie Watford and still he came back for more. If thats not knocking him what is as iv`e said before even when the club is doing well we have to have a dig at some players were 7th and playing well lets all get behind all of the Team.

I do get behind the team. I don't need patronising thank you.

He does get bullied though, nothing to do with getting kicked from pillar to post as you put it. Mawson the Swansea number 6 kept him very quiet in the 1st half.

I do struggle with posters like you who think that any criticism is a lack of support.

I don't think I'm knocking him just giving a fair assessment of what I see, you see something else that up to you.



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on December 16, 2016, 12:19:00 PM
I do get behind the team. I don't need patronising thank you.

He does get bullied though, nothing to do with getting kicked from pillar to post as you put it. Mawson the Swansea number 6 kept him very quiet in the 1st half.

I do struggle with posters like you who think that any criticism is a lack of support.

I don't think I'm knocking him just giving a fair assessment of what I see, you see something else that up to you.

I thought Mawson had a good game aswell, said this in the In game chat thread at the time. He actually impressed me

Rondon had a GREAT second half and really did tear them a new one then though
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 16, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
I am sorry hullbaggie I cannot agree with you the man gets bullied by no one and has a decent strike rate there is a difference to being bullied and being kicked from pillar to post ie Watford and still he came back for more. If thats not knocking him what is as iv`e said before even when the club is doing well we have to have a dig at some players were 7th and playing well lets all get behind all of the Team.

 :-X

If we had a 'like' or 'dislike' of a post option on here, I imagine I would have hit dislike to about 97% of your posts by now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 12:23:07 PM
I thought Mawson had a good game aswell, said this in the In game chat thread at the time. He actually impressed me

Rondon had a GREAT second half and really did tear them a new one then though

Totally agree Tom, once Rondon had scored Mawson never got a look in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 16, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
he's perfect with our current set up, not many teams in this league play with one strong physical lone striker its a bit old school really. one thing that stood out for me is for the first 20 minutes against Swanseas we (rondon in particular) lost all the aerial battles against their defence so couldn't get any forward momentum. as soon has we got Chadli and Phillips more involved and played it on the deck we improved massively.       
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 16, 2016, 01:26:13 PM
Sorry hull if you thought my post was patronising was`nt meant to be I still don`t believe he got bullied as for quiet well as you said he missed 2 good chances in the first half if thats being kept quiet was the Swansea striker silent as he never had a shot yet some fans are having a go at Ollson its a funny old world
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on December 16, 2016, 04:09:58 PM
I think it's a bit strong saying he gets bullied. He's often on his own and outnumbered. He's not going to win every ball pumped up to him. He's a unit but he's 6ft 1 and will be up against taller centre backs most of the time. He gives at least as good as he gets in the physical stakes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on December 16, 2016, 09:10:49 PM
I remember just a few weeks back the Leicester fans being in awe of how Rondon had single handedly bullied their centre backs. Not often he gets bullied. As others have said, he is, or has been until recently, often up against 3 players. Fantastic player for us, we should all appreciate him while we can.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on December 17, 2016, 04:10:08 PM
Either needs some protection from the ref against the 'clever' but dangerous challenges, or needs to learn how to fall over strategically more often so they get a bit wary about making the challenge. Rondon is not getting an easy ride so far but is doing a great job. Think of all the free Kicks he would have 'won' in and around the edge of the box if he played for somebody like the Snottenham diving academy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 19, 2016, 05:05:25 PM
Think he fell over plenty of times against United and got nothing in return from the ref. Some looked like fouls, some looked 50/50 to me.

How about use his size and physical advantage against the likes of rojo and Jones who are half the size of him? A couple of games I've seen him struggle against what look like physically smaller defenders. Yes he managed to out play the Swansea defence, but why not repeat that again in the next game?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on December 20, 2016, 12:32:14 PM
Think he fell over plenty of times against United and got nothing in return from the ref. Some looked like fouls, some looked 50/50 to me.

How about use his size and physical advantage against the likes of rojo and Jones who are half the size of him? A couple of games I've seen him struggle against what look like physically smaller defenders. Yes he managed to out play the Swansea defence, but why not repeat that again in the next game?
So, to summarise, when he got fouled, he got nothing from the ref, and when it was 50-50 he got nothing from the ref. Hardly his fault is it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 12:38:48 PM
So, to summarise, when he got fouled, he got nothing from the ref, and when it was 50-50 he got nothing from the ref. Hardly his fault is it?

50/50 is hardly not getting protection from the ref either. Think he needs to use his strength more to keep the ball rather than learning how to fall over better, as some have suggested on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 20, 2016, 12:41:45 PM
Think he fell over plenty of times against United and got nothing in return from the ref. Some looked like fouls, some looked 50/50 to me.

How about use his size and physical advantage against the likes of rojo and Jones who are half the size of him? A couple of games I've seen him struggle against what look like physically smaller defenders. Yes he managed to out play the Swansea defence, but why not repeat that again in the next game?

Maybe because Man United have significantly better defenders than Swansea do?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 20, 2016, 12:42:22 PM
Maybe because Man United have significantly better defenders than Swansea do?

Do you reckon ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 12:46:09 PM
Maybe because Man United have significantly better defenders than Swansea do?

His game is about strength and his strength shouldn't change drastically game by game. He didn't seem to win anything against man United but did against Swansea a few days earlier. Surely rojo and Jones aren't stronger than him or better in the air
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 20, 2016, 01:14:42 PM
The difference being that the Swansea centre backs gave him the freedom of the Hawthorns during the second half.

With the exception of his free header Jones and Rojo were much tighter on him, and he did not enjoy the same level of support against Man Utd as in the previous game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 01:17:39 PM
The difference being that the Swansea centre backs gave him the freedom of the Hawthorns during the second half.

With the exception of his free header Jones and Rojo were much tighter on him, and he did not enjoy the same level of support against Man Utd as in the previous game.

Again though, surely he should be physically stronger than rojo and Jones regardless of how tight they were?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Again though, surely he should be physically stronger than rojo and Jones regardless of how tight they were?

He didn't lose the physical battle. He got fouled... a LOT.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2016, 01:28:09 PM
Again though, surely he should be physically stronger than rojo and Jones regardless of how tight they were?
but as you said earlier they are smaller defenders, Wouldn't they have learned how to defend against larger opponents and so use his power against him. Might doesn't always equal right. It's  why I think Rondon has done so well against Huth in the games against Leicester as Huth has relied on himself being stronger than the guy he's defending against. Suddenly this guy turns up who's stronger and he downs know what to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
but as you said earlier they are smaller defenders, Wouldn't they have learned how to defend against larger opponents and so use his power against him. Might doesn't always equal right. It's  why I think Rondon has done so well against Huth in the games against Leicester as Huth has relied on himself being stronger than the guy he's defending against. Suddenly this guy turns up who's stronger and he downs know what to do.

But as a larger forward, shouldn't he have learnt how to deal with smaller defenders. I mean it's 90% of his game. As you say he was stronger than Huth and therefore did well, so why can't he do well against weaker defenders? Dawson didn't seem to have an issue against the full back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2016, 02:03:14 PM
But as a larger forward, shouldn't he have learnt how to deal with smaller defenders. I mean it's 90% of his game. As you say he was stronger than Huth and therefore did well, so why can't he do well against weaker defenders? Dawson didn't seem to have an issue against the full back.
see my Huth example. He knows how to use his strength but what does he do when that doesn't work? It's what you are taught in martial arts such as judo. To use an opponents weight and power Against them. In this case rather than throwing them to the floor, all the defender needs is to throw the attacker off enough to either make a mistake or win the ball which is easier with taller players as they have a higher centre of gravity..

As a strong attacker playing target man you get two choices. back off and make space to turn like a smaller player would but that allows the defender into you and forces you forward, not good if it's a high ball as you need to stay where you are, or stand your ground and fight them, problem is that a good smaller defender that has your back will win most of those fights. So you try to draw the foul. Secret option 3 is play in behind but only works if you are faster than the defender which when they are smaller isn't always possible and relies on poor cover which wasn't the case against Utd.

On his own it's a losing fight as the smaller guy behind you can be much more physical and get away with it in comparison to the attacker if the best option is to flood them with bodies in an attacking sense as they can't mark every one. However this is a bad idea in terms of general play.

I'd also mention that a centre back and a full back defend in very different ways, so it's not surprising that Dawson was successful against his man.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 20, 2016, 02:05:08 PM
But as a larger forward, shouldn't he have learnt how to deal with smaller defenders. I mean it's 90% of his game. As you say he was stronger than Huth and therefore did well, so why can't he do well against weaker defenders? Dawson didn't seem to have an issue against the full back.

It's not just about strength though, it's also about timing and speed into the challenge.

And the physical aspect has only become more a part of his game since joining us, as he's only really played the out and out target man role at the Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on January 07, 2017, 05:02:20 PM
Sorry, not good enough. Too inconsistent and wasteful. A new striker is the biggest priority if we want to improve our team, instead of signing an expensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on January 07, 2017, 05:32:17 PM
Sorry, not good enough. Too inconsistent and wasteful. A new striker is the biggest priority if we want to improve our team, instead of signing an expensive midfielder.

I agree not clinical enough, scores in odd bursts but not regularly enough. Has he scored for two games on the trot?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on January 07, 2017, 06:10:27 PM
I agree not clinical enough, scores in odd bursts but not regularly enough. Has he scored for two games on the trot?
was just saying this to my dad. He never scores in a run on the trot. Goalscires usually do eg odemwingie,Kevin Phillips,bob Taylor. He gets the odd one and a very good hat trick not so long ago but you would think his confidence would be sky high after that but he's not kicked on since. He should have buried the first half chance and never give Keogh chance to clear it off the line. I'm still unconvinced about him works hard scores occasionally but doesn't really show enough confidence to perform week in week out. Maybe a tad harsh but that's my opinion
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on January 07, 2017, 06:18:53 PM
He does need to be more clinical

I'm not going to take away from him though most of our good forward play and goals come from his unselfish work

I really wish he could score more regularly and have a few runs of goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on January 07, 2017, 06:22:25 PM
Was going to slag of the lad but he does a great job for team but will not be a prolific goal scorer for us in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 07, 2017, 06:25:17 PM
He does need to be more clinical

I'm not going to take away from him though most of our good forward play and goals come from his unselfish work

I really wish he could score more regularly and have a few runs of goals
Agree , think this was the reason Chadli was bought in but as we know that's gone a bit pear shaped.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on January 07, 2017, 06:25:23 PM
very poor today should of buried that shoot in 1st half
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 07, 2017, 06:29:43 PM
think we have to remember that mostly he's on his own upfront, works hard for the team but he isn't a natural finisher on the floor. when he's 100% on his game there's no better playing the lone striker role, when he's not the whole system we play looks naff. I like him but would be surprised if he plays at an higher lever then this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on January 07, 2017, 08:17:22 PM
Sorry, not good enough. Too inconsistent and wasteful. A new striker is the biggest priority if we want to improve our team, instead of signing an expensive midfielder.

Hallelujah we need some on in to challenge his position , too easily beaten in the air and poor technique on the ground .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on January 07, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Scapegoat season is upon us at I see
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 06:10:19 PM
Think it highlights the need for another striker. Just to give Rondon a rest every so often, or to mix it up a bit when it's not working. Agree he should have finished the early chance, and was very wasteful with his shooting. It doesn't appear to be his string point at all, and he seems to snatch at shots or try to put too much power on them frequently.

I thought his heading was his strong point, but missed two decent opportunities with his head. I know we say all good strikers miss chances, but we don't usually make a lot every game, so we can't really afford to have him missing them when they do come.

He was having one of his games yesterday where nothing seemed to stick to him, and felt he was outmuscled (albeit sometimes unfairly) by their centre back. To be fair though the championship is a lot more about big physical defenders, so can see how the Derby centre backs found it relatively easy to cope with Rondon's style of play.

Hopefully he'll want to prove himself again next match and pop up with a goal or two. Maybe if we start being linked with strikers it'll prompt him that his place isn't guaranteed, and strikers are usually judged on goals and their ability to finish chances.

Scapegoat season is upon us at I see

And why does any form of criticism towards any of our players have to be met with scapegoat comments? He had a poor game yesterday and didn't score again.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on January 08, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
Gardner not playing they have to find some scapegoat  only a few weeks ago he scored a hatrick. That little pooh Berahino should be the only scapegoat as he disregard`s the club on every social media going Were having a decent season Saturday was a blip so lets get behind them for yhe rest of the season BOING BOING
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Think it highlights the need for another striker. Just to give Rondon a rest every so often, or to mix it up a bit when it's not working. Agree he should have finished the early chance, and was very wasteful with his shooting. It doesn't appear to be his string point at all, and he seems to snatch at shots or try to put too much power on them frequently.

I thought his heading was his strong point, but missed two decent opportunities with his head. I know we say all good strikers miss chances, but we don't usually make a lot every game, so we can't really afford to have him missing them when they do come.

He was having one of his games yesterday where nothing seemed to stick to him, and felt he was outmuscled (albeit sometimes unfairly) by their centre back. To be fair though the championship is a lot more about big physical defenders, so can see how the Derby centre backs found it relatively easy to cope with Rondon's style of play.

Hopefully he'll want to prove himself again next match and pop up with a goal or two. Maybe if we start being linked with strikers it'll prompt him that his place isn't guaranteed, and strikers are usually judged on goals and their ability to finish chances.

And why does any form of criticism towards any of our players have to be met with scapegoat comments? He had a poor game yesterday and didn't score again.
In all fairness he does not have many bad games considering the expectation of him. He is the only striker we have in all but name.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 06:50:56 PM
Gardner not playing they have to find some scapegoat  only a few weeks ago he scored a hatrick. That little rubbish Berahino should be the only scapegoat as he disregard`s the club on every social media going Were having a decent season Saturday was a blip so lets get behind them for yhe rest of the season BOING BOING

I don't think it's to do with finding a scapegoat at all. He just played poorly yesterday and didn't score. That's a striker's job. He's receiving criticism and rightly so.

Don't see any posts in the Myhill thread saying that he's being made a scapegoat?

Not sure what Berahino had to do with us losing yesterday either?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 06:56:22 PM
In all fairness he does not have many bad games considering the expectation of him. He is the only striker we have in all but name.

There's no denying that. I'm saying he had a poor game yesterday. And he does have a few bad games also. He may be our top scorer, but he's only actually scored in 5 of our games this season. That's 15 games where he's not scored. McAuley is only 2 goals behind him also. Like I said, I've got nothing against him and think he has been decent this season, but we desperately need another striker so we are not putting all our hopes on just Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 07:03:19 PM
There's no denying that. I'm saying he had a poor game yesterday. And he does have a few bad games also. He may be our top scorer, but he's only actually scored in 5 of our games this season. That's 15 games where he's not scored. McAuley is only 2 goals behind him also. Like I said, I've got nothing against him and think he has been decent this season, but we desperately need another striker so we are not putting all our hopes on just Rondon
Indeed we score with CB,s as the way Pulis starts teams off. (To keep them up) He needs support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on January 08, 2017, 07:03:39 PM
His lack of goals could be because most of the time he us isolated up front on his own. I think he does a marvellous job for the team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
His lack of goals could be because most of the time he us isolated up front on his own. I think he does a marvellous job for the team

Therefore if goal scoring isn't what he's in the team for, you agree that we could do with a goal scoring striker to share the load?

Indeed we score with CB,s as the way Pulis starts teams off. (To keep them up) He needs support.

I think we've moved on from needed to worry about relegation this season. We shouldn't really be relying on centre backs for our main source of goals. Rondon is good in certain games, and does score goals, I'm saying we need another decent striker for when we need something a bit different. For example yesterday, Rondon clearly wasn't having much of an impact, and there have been a number of games like that this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 07:24:16 PM
Therefore if goal scoring isn't what he's in the team for, you agree that we could do with a goal scoring striker to share the load?

I think we've moved on from needed to worry about relegation this season. We shouldn't really be relying on centre backs for our main source of goals. Rondon is good in certain games, and does score goals, I'm saying we need another decent striker for when we need something a bit different. For example yesterday, Rondon clearly wasn't having much of an impact, and there have been a number of games like that this season.
Indeed.Quite a bit more investment is needed to consolidate and avoid constant embarrassment in the FA cup.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
I find it difficult to criticise Rondon. Yes, he has flaws, his finishing on the deck is not at the level it needs to be in the league we play in, but he has had to carry our attacking threat from open play for in excess of a year now will little support and rarely gets a rest, often he is up against three central defenders alone and still puts himself about for the team.

I feel he is still improving in areas, he is far better this season than he was last and this upward curve will continue in my opinion. However, we need to bring in another striker to relieve some of the strain on him. HRK is clearly not good enough, we all knew he wouldn't be, can only assume he was brought in through desperation, and fat boy will hopefully never play for us again so Rondon is all we have up there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on January 08, 2017, 08:22:21 PM
Therefore if goal scoring isn't what he's in the team for, you agree that we could do with a goal scoring striker to share the load

Defoe is a goal scorer but put him in our team and our tactics and he will be absolutely useless. We don't play with 2 strikers so since we will never get Costa who do you think can play in our system?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 08:57:39 PM
Defoe is a goal scorer but put him in our team and our tactics and he will be absolutely useless. We don't play with 2 strikers so since we will never get Costa who do you think can play in our system?

We don't know he'd be useless at all. I bet the Sunderland fans thought he'd be useless with how they used to play hoofing it up to Fletcher but he's not been. I imagine if we signed someone like that we'd work on playing it in behind defenders more. Irrelevant anyway really because I'm not saying we need Defoe, I'm saying Rondon doesn't get enough goals by himself for us to rely on him alone all season. Hence we need another striker. I don't think many will disagree with this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 08, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
Defoe is a goal scorer but put him in our team and our tactics and he will be absolutely useless. We don't play with 2 strikers so since we will never get Costa who do you think can play in our system?
No he wouldn't Rondon had two great chances yesterday and fluffed his lines Defoe wouldn't have missed those two chance's.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on January 08, 2017, 10:31:04 PM
All strikers miss chances.

For instance, Defoe missed an absolute sitter against us at theirs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on January 09, 2017, 12:14:36 AM
Devastating with his head, probably could do with some confidence shooting with his feet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 09, 2017, 06:27:54 AM
We need another quality striker to challenge Rondon for the starting birth, to allow us to rest him sometimes, and to give the manager other options. 
Given the back up that he has I think Rondon is doing a decent job this season.
Add to the fact that we could see that the long lump up to him wasn't working but did nothing to try and vary the ball in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 09, 2017, 07:26:35 PM
We need another quality striker to challenge Rondon for the starting birth, to allow us to rest him sometimes, and to give the manager other options. 
Given the back up that he has I think Rondon is doing a decent job this season.
Add to the fact that we could see that the long lump up to him wasn't working but did nothing to try and vary the ball in.

I think that was the most frustrating thing. However Rondon does tend to have games where he can't beat the CB in the air, and like others have said we really need another option to vary it a bit when Rondon isn't working.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on January 09, 2017, 07:32:08 PM
I think that was the most frustrating thing. However Rondon does tend to have games where he can't beat the CB in the air, and like others have said we really need another option to vary it a bit when Rondon isn't working.

I think its quite rare to see Rondon beating a cb in the air. We have two very good crossers of the ball but we rarely score from those crosses in open play. The Swansea game is an exception.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 09, 2017, 07:44:49 PM
I think its quite rare to see Rondon beating a cb in the air. We have two very good crossers of the ball but we rarely score from those crosses in open play. The Swansea game is an exception.

Agree, I seem to remember making this point earlier in the season that he seemed to get outmuscled quite a lot for a big guy against smaller defenders
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 09, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
His hat trick against Swansea was excellent, but they were all headers from crosses. In the same game he fluffed 2 one on ones with the keeper. He can do a fantastic job at holding the ball up for other players, but he is actually quite average at working the ball in tight spaces on the ground. i.e. creating a chance out of nothing, maybe through a quick wall pass, or dribbling past a last defender.
We badly need an extra striker to play off him. Someone in the Kevin Phillips mould.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 09, 2017, 10:24:17 PM
Are people changing their minds about him now? I got slated on here the other week for saying that I don't rate him. I stick by that. He'll work his socks off and score a few tap ins but his all round game is poor. A striker should be top of our shopping list.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 01, 2017, 06:38:20 AM
Are people changing their minds about him now? I got slated on here the other week for saying that I don't rate him. I stick by that. He'll work his socks off and score a few tap ins but his all round game is poor. A striker should be top of our shopping list.

Too inconsistent, maybe he's comfortable in his position as there is not a lot to threaten his place in the team.
If, as reported, an offer of £32m comes in from China in the Summer I'd be inclined to have a look around as to who we could get for that money and let him go
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 01, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
I thought he would have "kicked on" after the Swansea hat trick but he hasn't. Too inconsistent and not a regular goal scorer. We need a better all round striker and much better finisher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2017, 09:25:01 AM
i aint getting on his back but i would rather HRK start
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 10:36:33 AM
The blame game has started there is nothing wrong with Rondon that a goal won`t put right he is the same player who had a great first half of season and anyone is entitled to there opinion but if they think HKR [ who i like ] is better than Rondon your in cloud cuckoo land.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on February 01, 2017, 11:33:17 AM
The blame game has started there is nothing wrong with Rondon that a goal won`t put right he is the same player who had a great first half of season and anyone is entitled to there opinion but if they think HKR [ who i like ] is better than Rondon your in cloud cuckoo land.

Did he have a great first half of the season though? Bar his hat trick against Swansea he really hasn't done much.

People said on here last season that we should give him a year to settle in and then judge him on his form this season. Sadly that has been lacking and he hasn't shown me he's good enough to be in a team 8th in the premier league.

That coupled with the fact as a team we are scoring much more goals this season, he really should be bagging more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on February 01, 2017, 11:39:22 AM
Everyone of the bottom half clubs would rip our arm off to get Rondon.

I wouldnt swap the lad for anyone at any of the bottom clubs.

Unless we spent £35m+ we wouldnt find anyone better than him.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2017, 11:46:17 AM
The blame game has started there is nothing wrong with Rondon that a goal won`t put right he is the same player who had a great first half of season and anyone is entitled to there opinion but if they think HKR [ who i like ] is better than Rondon your in cloud cuckoo land.


always the same you are, shooting folk down. its an opionions board and for me i think HRK would do a better job at the minute
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 01, 2017, 11:54:53 AM
Everyone of the bottom half clubs would rip our arm off to get Rondon.

I wouldnt swap the lad for anyone at any of the bottom clubs.

Unless we spent £35m+ we wouldnt find anyone better than him.

Really?

Would Watford swap him for Deaney?
Would Palace swap him for Benteke?
Would Bournemouth swap him for Wilson?
Would Swansea swap him for Siguardson?
Would Leicester swap him for Mahrez or Slimani?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 01, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
Did he have a great first half of the season though? Bar his hat trick against Swansea he really hasn't done much.

People said on here last season that we should give him a year to settle in and then judge him on his form this season. Sadly that has been lacking and he hasn't shown me he's good enough to be in a team 8th in the premier league.

That coupled with the fact as a team we are scoring much more goals this season, he really should be bagging more.

I agree he should be scoring more but it's a bit harsh to write off his early season form.  He may not have scored but he was causing mayhem in the oppositions backline giving room to others.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 01, 2017, 12:33:00 PM
Nothing wrong with Salomon, he has one of the hardest roles in the prem.
Yes he has had a few which he could / should have scored, but name any striker that isn't true of.

As for comparisons with Benteke / Deeney / Slimani who have all had long barren streaks. I would take Salomon everytime.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on February 01, 2017, 12:37:43 PM
For our system and set up he is ideal and does a great job. As we have seen recently if we sell him who do we bring in that we can get who would be better? if they are already established as a top striker they won't come to us. To get a top class "target man" and regular goalscorer is rare, can't think of many.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on February 01, 2017, 12:41:39 PM
Really?

Would Watford swap him for Deaney?
Would Palace swap him for Benteke?
Would Bournemouth swap him for Wilson?
Would Swansea swap him for Siguardson?
Would Leicester swap him for Mahrez or Slimani?

Neither of those are strikers
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 01, 2017, 01:08:18 PM
Nothing wrong with Salomon, he has one of the hardest roles in the prem.
Yes he has had a few which he could / should have scored, but name any striker that isn't true of.

As for comparisons with Benteke / Deeney / Slimani who have all had long barren streaks. I would take Salomon everytime.

Benteke is far superior IMO. His goalscoring record mainly at struggling clubs is exceptional. Given the opportunity Pulis will replace Rondon like a shot I reckon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
If you don`t like my comments tough I am a supporter of The Albion and I believe Rondon is a lot better player than HRK. As for shooting folk down well if to me a supporter is as the[ dictionary says]]is to support get behind encourage and some of the comments that some posters come out with are not doing that. I WILL STICK UP FOR MY TEAM NO MATTER WHAT .We all want a successful Baggies team and getting behind them now that we are doing that will only Help
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on February 01, 2017, 01:31:36 PM
If you don`t like my comments tough I am a supporter of The Albion and I believe Rondon is a lot better player than HRK. As for shooting folk down well if to me a supporter is as the[ dictionary says]]is to support get behind encourage and some of the comments that some posters come out with are not doing that. I WILL STICK UP FOR MY TEAM NO MATTER WHAT .We all want a successful Baggies team and getting behind them now that we are doing that will only Help

So basically unless you say everything is rosey and every player is great, you aren't supporting the team???

You carry on sticking up for your team no matter what - you'll probably find the majority here will support the club no matter what, doesn't mean they have to agree with everything we do!!!

I seem to remember you not being a fan of Berahino (like many of us on here)...surely, going by your comments, you should have got behind him as a player of this club?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
If you don`t like my comments tough I am a supporter of The Albion and I believe Rondon is a lot better player than HRK. As for shooting folk down well if to me a supporter is as the[ dictionary says]]is to support get behind encourage and some of the comments that some posters come out with are not doing that. I WILL STICK UP FOR MY TEAM NO MATTER WHAT .We all want a successful Baggies team and getting behind them now that we are doing that will only Help
maybe if you took other posters opinions for what they are instead of twisting it into some imaginary anti- albion agenda would help.
from the posts I've read no ones blaming rondon so don't see how the blame game accusation started.
no ones saying HRK is a better player than rondon just some poster would give him a start, there's a difference here.
they are all Albion fans like yourself.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 01, 2017, 01:42:52 PM
The blame game has started there is nothing wrong with Rondon that a goal won`t put right he is the same player who had a great first half of season and anyone is entitled to there opinion but if they think HKR [ who i like ] is better than Rondon your in cloud cuckoo land.

Its not the blame game no one can deny that Rondon does a good job for the team. The fact is he will not score 15 premier league goals a season and may struggle to get 10. If we want to move up a level then we need a regular goal scorer (like Odemwingie was but without the trouble)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 02:21:59 PM
ASHD if you read my comments properly you will see that I will not respect any player who disrespects our club I will not boo them but I just wanted them gone. The likes of Hughes Anelka Berahino  did just that.I`m not twisting anything Rondon at the start of the season was superb on his own up front never stops running but all some fans seem to see are the chances he`s missed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 01, 2017, 02:27:33 PM
We've got what we've got with Salomon.
If he was a 20 goal a season striker he probably wouldn't be playing here.
He runs around a lot. Is that enough? Not in my book, he's a striker and needs to do what it says on the tin.
He missed one last night that was easier to put in, he's not on his own in that respect.
I don't think anyone is slagging him off but to progress as a team we either need to get him some help of directly replace him with a striker that has more goals in him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 02:49:00 PM
OK all I take your points on board and will try to ring myself in and try to see some other way of viewing your posts starting now with Rondon some fans would like him replaced but with who as outside the top 7 sides in the Premiership there are only 3 strikers and I mean strikers who have scored more than Rondon that is  Llorentte , Benteke and Defoe
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on February 01, 2017, 04:00:01 PM
OK all I take your points on board and will try to ring myself in and try to see some other way of viewing your posts starting now with Rondon some fans would like him replaced but with who as outside the top 7 sides in the Premiership there are only 3 strikers and I mean strikers who have scored more than Rondon that is  Llorentte , Benteke and Defoe

I do understand the concern with Rondon but what seems to make us different from a few other teams is that everyone in the team with the exception of Yacob  and Foster are capable of scoring -  we have goals from every position.


Even though Rondon is not banging them in he really does cause problems at times.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on February 01, 2017, 04:52:57 PM
Quote about Rondon...

The Welshman insists he is doing everything possible to keep the former Zenit man "focused" for the rest of the campaign. Pulis said: “There’s lots of stuff going on around Salomon and I’ve got to make sure he’s focused. “It’s not football stuff. It’s nothing to do with the speculation. It’s a personal thing to do with his family back in Venezuela."

Read more at: https://www.clubcall.com/west-bromwich-albion/rondon-dealing-with-family-issues---pulis-1840375.html
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
Quote about Rondon...

The Welshman insists he is doing everything possible to keep the former Zenit man "focused" for the rest of the campaign. Pulis said: “There’s lots of stuff going on around Salomon and I’ve got to make sure he’s focused. “It’s not football stuff. It’s nothing to do with the speculation. It’s a personal thing to do with his family back in Venezuela."

Read more at: https://www.clubcall.com/west-bromwich-albion/rondon-dealing-with-family-issues---pulis-1840375.html

Read somewhere that he risks kidnap at home. Also that his family are not allowed to leave for fear of reprisals against THEIR family.

Not a very pleasant place to be a success Venezuela by all accounts.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on February 01, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
It's a shame to hear he has some personal issues back in Venezuela, maybe family members who are ill (total guess of course).

That said, his form has declined recently which is normal for a striker, so it wouldn't hurt to give Robson-Kanu a start. Rondon has started all but one of our premier league games this season so could probably do with a rest. Maybe getting the chance to come on against tired defenders might be quite useful for him.

As a side note, he has scored 17 goals in just over one and a half seasons. That is a good enough return for me personally.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 01, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
Read somewhere that he risks kidnap at home. Also that his family are not allowed to leave for fear of reprisals against THEIR family.

Not a very pleasant place to be a success Venezuela by all accounts.
Caracas is a slum and their country is bankrupt. Anyone with any money what so ever is a target.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 06:04:11 PM
You could be right baggies but i would leave it till after Stoke as Rondon has scored 2 goals in three matches against them
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 01, 2017, 07:34:45 PM
Read somewhere that he risks kidnap at home. Also that his family are not allowed to leave for fear of reprisals against THEIR family.

Not a very pleasant place to be a success Venezuela by all accounts.
I'm sure Pulis has said this season that Rondon's kids are settled in school in this country now so sounds like his immediate family is here. Other close relatives are likely to be back home though obviously.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 02, 2017, 09:57:10 PM
wonder if the Chinese will come back in with another offer, they throw silly money at any player they want these days. we are so light in the striker dept but is there a figure that would tempt us to sell? £32m was a crazy amount and it wouldn't surprise me if they increase it. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on February 03, 2017, 07:27:08 PM
Read somewhere that he risks kidnap at home. Also that his family are not allowed to leave for fear of reprisals against THEIR family.

Not a very pleasant place to be a success Venezuela by all accounts.
Can't be easy relaxed focused fully and playing at the top of his game for the big guy with the worry of safety for his family on his mind constantly and so far away
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 04, 2017, 11:46:10 AM
Fancy him to get on the score sheet today
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on February 04, 2017, 05:04:16 PM
Taken fro the Oatcake after the game

"What a performance from Rondon. That's how you play a lone centre forward role. Sometimes you hold your hands up and say well done."

I love the bloke, does not always make the right decision and he certainly isnt a predatory finisher but in our team he is excellent. Give me a player like this every day of the week over the nonsense we just got rid of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 04, 2017, 05:05:31 PM
He was absolutely superb today. Costa aside there is no one better at the role he plays.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on February 04, 2017, 05:46:55 PM
Worked tirelessly today with too little support yet again
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 04, 2017, 05:48:22 PM
As much as he had an ok game today, think he still goes down too easy for a big bloke. Also missed a few decent chances today that you'd fancy him to score.

Showed some good pace towards the end and did everything right for Livermore's chance
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nocky on February 04, 2017, 06:20:19 PM
Excellent performance today. Such a shame he didn't get the goal his play deserved. His hold up play was different class.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on February 04, 2017, 06:31:34 PM
He was absolutely superb today. Costa aside there is no one better at the role he plays.

Worked really hard but I thought he was poor. Other than his fantastic burst and pass to Livermore, his passing wasn't up to scratch. Still played his part in a solid team win.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2017, 06:47:44 PM
He held the ball up really well today.  Even the stokies are saying the ball stuck to him like glue.

Not sure what happened with the sub but it was the right decision to keep him on. He had a few more bits of work to get through and helped ease the pressure towards the end.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on February 04, 2017, 07:01:40 PM
Wouldn't it be beneficial to bring his family over ? Could the club help with this ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nocky on February 04, 2017, 07:03:01 PM
Worked really hard but I thought he was poor. Other than his fantastic burst and pass to Livermore, his passing wasn't up to scratch. Still played his part in a solid team win.

Not sure what game you were watching tbh pal. His hold up play and strength in protecting the balls up to him were superb. The Stoke fans are raving about him on the Oatcake and even Mark Hughes gave him a mention (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04rwyz5).

Not sure what else you want from a lone striker?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on February 04, 2017, 07:35:05 PM
just needs to put the ball in the net more often , had 2 great chances today .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 04, 2017, 08:34:18 PM
Anyone having ago at this striker is balmy The man puts in a fantastic shift he is the perfect front man for us great team player and agree with the jacko only Costa better in the role he play`s
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 04, 2017, 08:47:50 PM
Massive performance by Ron today on how the role "Lone Forward" should be played.
Can i ask if the Played onside rule still apply, i mean he was offside for the goal he scored but it came off a stokie player

What a battle he had with Shawcross to.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on February 04, 2017, 08:49:39 PM
Anyone who doesn't rate this guy doesn't watch enough football. We won't be able to sign anyone better for the role he plays.

If he was more clinical with his feet then he wouldn't be here, the same reason why Diego Costa isn't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 04, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
Was surprised by a couple of fans around me who moaned about him throughout the game. He was being bear hugged by Shawcross and Martins-I most of the game. Sometimes it pays to look at what he does compared to the opposition central attackers....he does put in a hell of a shift and gets us into the right areas.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 04, 2017, 09:49:45 PM
Was surprised by a couple of fans around me who moaned about him throughout the game. He was being bear hugged by Shawcross and Martins-I most of the game. Sometimes it pays to look at what he does compared to the opposition central attackers....he does put in a hell of a shift and gets us into the right areas.

He also brings into play his team mates
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 04, 2017, 10:08:16 PM
I honestly cannot understand the criticism of Rondon by some people. He is a completete beast. I read other fans forums after we have played them, just out of interest really, but almost all of them wish they had Rondon. I love the guy
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on February 05, 2017, 12:33:57 AM
Not sure what game you were watching tbh pal. His hold up play and strength in protecting the balls up to him were superb. The Stoke fans are raving about him on the Oatcake and even Mark Hughes gave him a mention (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04rwyz5).

Not sure what else you want from a lone striker?

Yeah, and I've read their comments on the Oatcake. He ran after every ball and gave 100% but I just felt he lacked quality in the final third. There were moments when we had great counter attack opportunities but his choice of pass let him down. I do agree though in a team where it really is a 'lone forward', it is thankless task.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 05, 2017, 01:18:52 AM
Just needs a lucky break and a goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on February 05, 2017, 08:34:25 AM
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/265329/rondon (http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/265329/rondon)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on February 05, 2017, 09:49:50 AM
Just needs a lucky break and a goal.
He had a terrifically lucky break when he got his hayrick but still didn't kick on,love the guy and his attitude but he will never be any better than what he is now but still a keeper with another forward who is a bit better and will hopefully push him on a bit more
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 13, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
time to give someone else ago
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on February 13, 2017, 06:59:06 PM
time to give someone else ago

Any suggestions? :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 13, 2017, 06:59:27 PM
time to give someone else ago

Problem is we've only really got him and HRK. I still think he's better than HRK but neither are natural goal scorers so to speak
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 13, 2017, 07:52:41 PM
time to give someone else ago

Eh! :o Lucky to have a forward of his quality!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2017, 08:00:20 PM
I like Rondon but maybe a break would help , i certainly feel HRK has been a bit unlucky not to start in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on February 13, 2017, 08:01:26 PM
It's Olssons time to shine.  8)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 13, 2017, 08:42:23 PM
Pity Brown Ideye couldn't cut it here, he's bang on form this season with 13 goals from 17 matches so far. Different playing in Greece to the Prem but anyone think we should've given him a bit longer to settle or did we see best he was capable of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 13, 2017, 08:51:07 PM
Pity Brown Ideye couldn't cut it here, he's bang on form this season with 13 goals from 17 matches so far. Different playing in Greece to the Prem but anyone think we should've given him a bit longer to settle or did we see best he was capable of.

I think Ideye is a better more natural finisher than Rondon is but he always appeared too lightweight for premier league football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 13, 2017, 09:14:32 PM
I think we'd be lightweight without him. He's got 2 weeks until the next game and against Bournemouth and Palace we just need him doing what he did against Stoke ...occupying both central defenders and making space for others.

Question - why does he get 3 headers in 13 minutes v Swansea and not much of a sniff at anything similar since ? Was it Swansea's defence at the time or good crosses hit early before defenders can crowd Rondon out of it ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on February 13, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
I think we'd be lightweight without him. He's got 2 weeks until the next game and against Bournemouth and Palace we just need him doing what he did against Stoke ...occupying both central defenders and making space for others.

Question - why does he get 3 headers in 13 minutes v Swansea and not much of a sniff at anything similar since ? Was it Swansea's defence at the time or good crosses hit early before defenders can crowd Rondon out of it ?

We definitely havent been swinging early balls in quite as much as we did in that game. That should be our route one form of attack.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 13, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
Yes I think that is the answer with Rondon get the crosses in early. I think Pulis will reshuffle for the Bournemouth game and put Evans back alongside McCauley and have Dawson RB and Nyom LB and push Brunt further up the field.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 13, 2017, 09:29:39 PM
Although in saying that Brunt played left back against Swansea and had two assists for Rondon's headers. I think the early ball in before the defenders can smother Rondon is the key to him scoring.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 14, 2017, 12:55:13 AM
I would like to see us play more balls into the box for him to get on to instead of him putting in crosses or receiving the ball with his back to goal . 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mateinone on February 14, 2017, 04:20:11 AM
I think Rondon is and always has been a gun. Will freshen up the next couple of games but I think you stick with someone like Rondon through lean periods as he still works as hard as ever and makes life difficult for the defenders
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 14, 2017, 10:29:23 PM
I think Rondon is and always has been a gun. Will freshen up the next couple of games but I think you stick with someone like Rondon through lean periods as he still works as hard as ever and makes life difficult for the defenders
Absolutely right. The guy has led our attack superbly for 18 months or more, sometimes virtually single handedly. He plays week in week out and nearly always causes huge problems for opposition defenses. We should appreciate him for his value to the team instead of focussing on his limitations. He may not score shed loads but he draws defenders out of position, thereby creating space for others to exploit. He is a superb asset for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on February 14, 2017, 10:57:36 PM
Puzzled to how people can even question Rondons quality..... lucky to have him  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on February 14, 2017, 11:02:51 PM
still better than codger at the vile ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 14, 2017, 11:11:16 PM
Of his type one of the best in premiership a great target man as some have said if he scored loads of goals he probably would not be here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 15, 2017, 06:37:12 AM
still better than codger at the vile ;D

I'd take Kodjia in a flash.
I've said in earlier posts I wouldn't mind if we raided both our near neighbours at the end of the season for Kodjia and Coasta
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on February 15, 2017, 06:39:42 AM
I'd take Kodjia in a flash.
I've said in earlier posts I wouldn't mind if we raided both our near neighbours at the end of the season for Kodjia and Coasta

Totally agree with you - provided it was in a sizeable discount on the £15m they paid for Kodjia.  Costa at £12m - yes please.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 11:03:25 AM
why do some fans want player`s from the lower reaches of the Championship Don`t you think if they were good enough for the Premiership they would have been snapped up by now Clubs had the chance in the Summer and in January and guess what no takers Just look at McCormack fans were calling for us to buy him and look at him now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 15, 2017, 11:20:25 AM
why do some fans want player`s from the lower reaches of the Championship Don`t you think if they were good enough for the Premiership they would have been snapped up by now Clubs had the chance in the Summer and in January and guess what no takers Just look at McCormack fans were calling for us to buy him and look at him now.

Yes chyte at vela and 1 for 1 at Forest.
The reason they go  to Championship clubs is for game time, something they probably wouldn't get at a lot of Premiership sides.
We are not in the market to buy £20m plus players so have to hope to pull out a rabbit from the Championship.
Just remind me where Phillips, Nyom, Dawson, McAuley, & Foster came from?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 15, 2017, 11:21:03 AM
Can we stick to talking about Rondon please. Chat about players from other teams can be done in the relevant thread.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 15, 2017, 11:23:32 AM
Can we stick to talking about Rondon please. Chat about players from other teams can be done in the relevant thread.

It is about Rondon.
Comparing Rondon to other players m'lud.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 15, 2017, 12:13:27 PM
It is about Rondon.
Comparing Rondon to other players m'lud.

 Very tenuous, but I'll concede your point.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 15, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
Ultimately striker is a position in need of some serious investment come the summer as the only alternative currently is HRK who, with great credit to him for his Southampton strike, is not good enough for this level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Get your point tuam but my point is that we have evolved since the summer transfer market and are starting to look at players with a better pedigree than lower reach Chumpionship players remember we have sent out on loan  Poco, MaManaman, and Gardner to teams in the top half of the Chumpionship who wer`nt good enough for us. so if looking for a striker to supplement Rondon we must be looking at better than the championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 15, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Ultimately striker is a position in need of some serious investment come the summer as the only alternative currently is HRK who, with great credit to him for his Southampton strike, is not good enough for this level.

Pulis obviously doesn't rate HRK either as he ends up coming on to take up a wide position more often than not. The thing with Rondon is that he does suit our style. We'd need another striker in a similar mould - big and strong, but still relatively quick and able to beat a man.

I can't see us playing with two strikers, so that limits the market we're looking in to another similar to Rondon, and probably happy to not be first choice every week
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on February 15, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Pulis obviously doesn't rate HRK either as he ends up coming on to take up a wide position more often than not. The thing with Rondon is that he does suit our style. We'd need another striker in a similar mould - big and strong, but still relatively quick and able to beat a man.

I can't see us playing with two strikers, so that limits the market we're looking in to another similar to Rondon, and probably happy to not be first choice every week

Would a new striker be not first choice every week though?

I think progression would be a top class striker pushing Rondon down to second choice and HRK third.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 15, 2017, 01:55:27 PM
Would a new striker be not first choice every week though?

I think progression would be a top class striker pushing Rondon down to second choice and HRK third.

That would be the ideal scenario. But is there another striker in the Rondon mould available to us that would work with our style?

And what happens with Rondon when he's no longer first choice?

Is HRK going to be happy being 3Rd choice or do we need to find someone else who is (if there is such a thing)?

Or is it better to have a plan b for our shape and tactics, so that we sign someone a bit different to Rondon that we change our style for when we play them? Perhaps when chasing a game or playing against the lower teams. That way we have a use for two strikers, rather than both fighting for the same position?

All difficult questions that we'll have to try to sort in the summer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 15, 2017, 02:02:59 PM
That would be the ideal scenario. But is there another striker in the Rondon mould available to us that would work with our style?

And what happens with Rondon when he's no longer first choice?

Is HRK going to be happy being 3Rd choice or do we need to find someone else who is (if there is such a thing)?

Or is it better to have a plan b for our shape and tactics, so that we sign someone a bit different to Rondon that we change our style for when we play them? Perhaps when chasing a game or playing against the lower teams. That way we have a use for two strikers, rather than both fighting for the same position?

All difficult questions that we'll have to try to sort in the summer

Competition for places is desperately needed. It would hopefully spur him on to do better. At the moment he's undroppable even if he doesn't score another goal this season. I agree we need another different type of striker. One with pace who scores goals. Rondon works hard but his end product is generally poor.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 15, 2017, 02:18:45 PM
Competition for places is desperately needed. It would hopefully spur him on to do better. At the moment he's undroppable even if he doesn't score another goal this season. I agree we need another different type of striker. One with pace who scores goals. Rondon works hard but his end product is generally poor.

Totally agree, and hopefully if that does happen Rondon remains determined to fight for his place, rather than getting annoyed and wanting to move on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 15, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
Totally agree, and hopefully if that does happen Rondon remains determined to fight for his place, rather than getting annoyed and wanting to move on.

What's the average stay at a club for any player now about 3 seasons?
Rondon's approaching that now so maybe he might want to start looking
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 15, 2017, 03:38:10 PM
What's the average stay at a club for any player now about 3 seasons?
Rondon's approaching that now so maybe he might want to start looking

Exactly, then do we need to find another new striker on top of the first one? With a replacement for HRK too?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on February 15, 2017, 04:54:59 PM
Still staggers me that there are fans out there that don't rate Rondon. Only 5 players from the clubs below us have scored more than him this season (7), from those only Defoe (14) has scored over 9 goals. And I'd argue that Rondon offers a lot more to our side than just scoring goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 15, 2017, 07:19:54 PM
Still staggers me that there are fans out there that don't rate Rondon. Only 5 players from the clubs below us have scored more than him this season (7), from those only Defoe (14) has scored over 9 goals. And I'd argue that Rondon offers a lot more to our side than just scoring goals.

Agreed, not sure if people realise how much of a coup it was to bring the lad here either, and solely down to a regulation change in Russia.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 15, 2017, 07:23:28 PM
Yep, Slimani was mentioned above, he's good in the air but does nothing like as much as Rondon whenever I've seen him play - including against us. Rondon is ideal for us with one or two clever players around him in attack. We obviously need to buy at least one more striker though and we might as well make it a good 'un.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on February 15, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
Still staggers me that there are fans out there that don't rate Rondon. Only 5 players from the clubs below us have scored more than him this season (7), from those only Defoe (14) has scored over 9 goals. And I'd argue that Rondon offers a lot more to our side than just scoring goals.

I'd bet that the strikers below us in the table would score more goals than Rondon if they played for our team. Rondon has a good work rate but thats about it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 15, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
I'd bet that the strikers below us in the table would score more goals than Rondon if they played for our team. Rondon has a good work rate but thats about it.

Maybe so but our team would certainly be worse, with less points and less total goals. I wouldn't take any centre forward from a team below us ahead of Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 15, 2017, 07:42:25 PM
Well said jacko Rondon is a bloody good striker and some fans won`t realise how good he was for us until he`s no longer here
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on February 16, 2017, 06:06:43 PM
I'd bet that the strikers below us in the table would score more goals than Rondon if they played for our team. Rondon has a good work rate but thats about it.

Virtually every comment you've made on this site is slating either Rondon or Chadli, 2 of our best players...  ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 16, 2017, 07:20:17 PM
Maybe so but our team would certainly be worse, with less points and less total goals. I wouldn't take any centre forward from a team below us ahead of Rondon.

I'd take Deaney or Carroll.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 16, 2017, 07:33:35 PM
I'd take Deaney or Carroll.

Deaney has barely scored this season, Carroll is a sicknote.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 16, 2017, 07:39:52 PM
If and thats a big IF Carroll could stay fit he could be an effective striker but would not put him before Rondon because of his fitness issues as for Deeney good striker but in my opinion not even close to Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on February 16, 2017, 08:37:36 PM
If and thats a big IF Carroll could stay fit he could be an effective striker but would not put him before Rondon because of his fitness issues as for Deeney good striker but in my opinion not even close to Rondon
Rondon is nowhere near the striker Carroll is, for a striker he doest score enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on February 16, 2017, 09:04:48 PM
Rondon in my opinion is the best we have had for years, Carroll dont make me laugh, would you want a striker who plays 38 games or 8?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on February 16, 2017, 09:10:55 PM
Rondon isn't perfect but I still feel he's a very good player for us. The problem with him which will always be there is that sometimes his finishing can be a bit poor (I would probably fancy Chadli and Phillips on a 1v1 over Rondon which says a lot)

Having said that, his energy and hold-up play is vital for the team. I think he could do with a good partner though, but by no means is he bad at all. Regarding Deeney, he is probably slightly better but also scores a lot of penalties and would these days cost way more due to being English. Carrol is better but is also always injured so it's not much of a comparison.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 16, 2017, 09:11:08 PM
Rondon is nowhere near the striker Carroll is, for a striker he doest score enough.

Carroll is a complete and utter donkey. In no other country in the world would he have played top tier football, let alone for the international team. To say that he is a better striker than Rondon is frankly ludicrous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 16, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
Sorry 59 I like Carroll but he`s never fit and he is not better than Rondon anyway Its not all about scoring  Rondon does the donkey work and drags players out of position thats why we have scored a lot more goals this season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 16, 2017, 11:09:35 PM
Rondon in my opinion is the best we have had for years, Carroll dont make me laugh, would you want a striker who plays 38 games or 8?

Carroll is a complete and utter donkey. In no other country in the world would he have played top tier football, let alone for the international team. To say that he is a better striker than Rondon is frankly ludicrous.

Sorry 59 I like Carroll but he`s never fit and he is not better than Rondon anyway Its not all about scoring  Rondon does the donkey work and drags players out of position thats why we have scored a lot more goals this season

To be fair he's only got one goal less than Rondon this season despite being injury prone/donkey/ridiculous etc. Not saying he's a better player, just sharing the stat
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on February 17, 2017, 03:01:30 AM
This thread is unbelievable.

Carroll is a decent striker but injury problems mean he'd never be a better option than Rondon.

As for Troy Deeney... I don't even know where to start  ???

Rondon is no world-beater, but is massively better than some of our fans seem to realise.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 17, 2017, 06:35:11 AM
Deaney has barely scored this season, Carroll is a sicknote.

Deaney has scored the same number of Prem goals as Rondon (7) in 27 games.
Carroll has scored 6 in 12 games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on February 17, 2017, 08:13:32 AM
Given our squad and style of play, I wonder if we'd be eighth in the Premier League if we'd only got 12 games out of  Rondon  :-X .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 17, 2017, 08:16:59 AM
It's like comparing Granny Smiths to Cox's. Yes they're all apples but they all taste different. Rondon is probably the best striker for the Pulisball style that we play and there is no guarantee that a different striker would score more in that style no matter his pedigree. (Michael Owen at Stoke?)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 17, 2017, 09:11:43 AM
It's like comparing Granny Smiths to Cox's. Yes they're all apples but they all taste different. Rondon is probably the best striker for the Pulisball style that we play and there is no guarantee that a different striker would score more in that style no matter his pedigree. (Michael Owen at Stoke?)

Does Michael Owen really count though as he was at the end of his career, a shadow of the player he had been and he only played 8 times for them?

Interesting to note that Stoke's top scorers in the premier league all have a similar amount regardless of whether it was under Pulis or the supposedly more progressive football played under Hughes. They have scored 11,8,12, 14, 11,10,12 & 12.

Pretty much what you'd expect from Prem league strikers outside of the top 6 or 7 (apart from the 8 which is a bit low!)

our top scorers in the same time are: 8, 13 (championship), 15, 10, 17, 5, 14& 9.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 17, 2017, 09:32:22 AM
I think Salomon is a more instinctive striker, by that I mean the more time he has to think about a strike on goal the less chance there is of him making the goal keeper work. You know that when he has a one on one with the goal keeper the keeper is always favourite.
Compare that to Chadli or Phillips and I'd be more confident that the striker has the edge
Another point is he wins almost no ball's in the air when they are punted up to him and he has his back to goal, compare that to him running onto a ball in the opponents box.
Plus he's probably our best defender for heading clear balls from corners against us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 17, 2017, 09:42:54 AM
Another point is he wins almost no ball's in the air when they are punted up to him and he has his back to goal,
I think I'd like to challenge that statement.
He wins plenty of balls for me, so much so that most teams double up on him making it even more difficult for him to lay off the ball once won which he often does really well but this doubling up on him by defenders does create plenty of space for others to move into. He takes many of the punts to him on the chest or upper body and cushions it down rather than trying to flick it on with his head
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 17, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Always baffling that people quote goal statistics over such a tiny sample size to try and justify player ability.

There are so many variables.

Taking penalties, deflections, offsides, being lucky to face goalkeeping or defensive clangers, how much service they get, hitting the bar/post, world class saves, crazy punts from 35 yards out which come off 1% of the time but happen to come off this time.

Could go on all day really.

Regardless its not solely a strikers job to score goals. It's also to move the team up the pitch and help the whole team score goals, something we have been pretty successful at this season which is why we are sitting in 8th.

Sure we need more Strikers to cover injuries/suspensions/fatigue but Salomon has been fantastic for us.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2017, 10:07:22 AM
Always baffling that people quote goal statistics over such a tiny sample size to try and justify player ability.

There are so many variables.

Taking penalties, deflections, offsides, being lucky to face goalkeeping or defensive clangers, how much service they get, hitting the bar/post, world class saves, crazy punts from 35 yards out which come off 1% of the time but happen to come off this time.

Could go on all day really.

Regardless its not solely a strikers job to score goals. It's also to move the team up the pitch and help the whole team score goals, something we have been pretty successful at this season which is why we are sitting in 8th.

Sure we need more Strikers to cover injuries/suspensions/fatigue but Salomon has been fantastic for us.

Excellent post. There are strikers and there are poachers, Rondon definitely is no poacher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 17, 2017, 06:59:43 PM
Always baffling that people quote goal statistics over such a tiny sample size to try and justify player ability.

There are so many variables.

Taking penalties, deflections, offsides, being lucky to face goalkeeping or defensive clangers, how much service they get, hitting the bar/post, world class saves, crazy punts from 35 yards out which come off 1% of the time but happen to come off this time.

Could go on all day really.

Regardless its not solely a strikers job to score goals. It's also to move the team up the pitch and help the whole team score goals, something we have been pretty successful at this season which is why we are sitting in 8th.

Sure we need more Strikers to cover injuries/suspensions/fatigue but Salomon has been fantastic for us.




Works both ways though really. People have been quoting Rondon's stats too so you'd have to say the same about them. You could also argue that there are more things than just Rondon as the reason that we're 8th. I'm in no way saying he's not important for us, just trying to balance some of the arguments.

I think Salomon is a more instinctive striker, by that I mean the more time he has to think about a strike on goal the less chance there is of him making the goal keeper work. You know that when he has a one on one with the goal keeper the keeper is always favourite.
Compare that to Chadli or Phillips and I'd be more confident that the striker has the edge
Another point is he wins almost no ball's in the air when they are punted up to him and he has his back to goal, compare that to him running onto a ball in the opponents box.
Plus he's probably our best defender for heading clear balls from corners against us.

Agree with the instinctive comment. The last home game against Stoke where he was one-on-one with the keeper I wasn't that confident he'd finish it. Seem to remember I thought he should have gone to the other side of the keeper. Agree that you feel more confident with Chadli/Phillips bearing down on goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 10:46:28 AM
Rondon is pretty much as good as it gets. Can I think of a striker who is

a) A  tactical fit
b) Available in our price range (wages and fees)
c) Doesn't have long term fitness or attitude issues.

Not really. You are either taking a chance on a player stepping up from the Championship or one of Europe's lesser leagues e.g. Belgium Netherlands or Portugal. Or maybe come in at a fairly late age from one of the bigger  overseas. The alternative is to re-engineer the team to play in a manner that accommodates a player with different attributes.   



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 12:09:35 PM
Standaman has got it right I think. Rondon is OK at most of what is asked of him without excelling at anything. What disappoints me most is that with the ball at his feet he really can't beat the player facing him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 18, 2017, 01:12:40 PM
Standaman has got it right I think. Rondon is OK at most of what is asked of him without excelling at anything. What disappoints me most is that with the ball at his feet he really can't beat the player facing him.
I cant really see how you are agreeing with Standaman. He seems to be saying that he cant think of any strikers who are a better fit for us than Rondon (and neither can I), whereas you seem to be saying he is average at best and cant beat his man. Maybe you should focus on his overall contribution to our team instead of picking fault. Every single player in our side has faults, but as a team we play to each others strengths and this is why we are doing so well. Rondon epitomises this and that is where his considerable value lies. Pulis recognises it, most of our rans recognise it, opposition fans recognise it, and opposition teams certainly recognise it, which is why he is nearly always marked by two or even three players. Maybe you should examine why this is the dase, then you might see Rondon in a different light
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 01:58:43 PM
Setting aside the point about agreeing with Standaman for the moment and dealing with Rondon's contribution, I don't think he is as good at what he is in the team for as others are at what they're in the team for. Foster is a better goalkeeper than Rondon is a striker. The same could be said about most of the other players in the team, e.g Evans, GM, Brunt etc in fact, in my opinion, Rondom is the weak link as he doesn't take enough of his goal scoring opportunities, doesn't win enough headers against good centre halves, and is not very good with the ball at his feet with a defender to beat. I agree he works hard and tries hard but so does everyone else in the team.

As for agreeing with Standaman , I think Rondon is the type of player for the tactics we use: has a good fitness record and is affordable whereas Albion have in the past have baulked at paying the price and wages for players in the next class up. I don't blame them for that, strikers command the highest fees and wages and so it's the position we're most likely to have a problem filling with the quality of player that matches the quality we have elsewhere.

As for picking fault, fine I won't. He's wonderful. I'll just ignore everything I've said which is on the basis of what I see each week. This board is about opinions and having first gone to the Hawthorns in 1962(I think) I think I'm entitled to have 1!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 18, 2017, 02:06:13 PM
Setting aside the point about agreeing with Standaman for the moment and dealing with Rondon's contribution, I don't think he is as good at what he is in the team for as others are at what they're in the team for. Foster is a better goalkeeper than Rondon is a striker. The same could be said about most of the other players in the team, e.g Evans, GM, Brunt etc in fact, in my opinion, Rondom is the weak link as he doesn't take enough of his goal scoring opportunities, doesn't win enough headers against good centre halves, and is not very good with the ball at his feet with a defender to beat. I agree he works hard and tries hard but so does everyone else in the team.

As for agreeing with Standaman , I think Rondon is the type of player for the tactics we use: has a good fitness record and is affordable whereas Albion have in the past have baulked at paying the price and wages for players in the next class up. I don't blame them for that, strikers command the highest fees and wages and so it's the position we're most likely to have a problem filling with the quality of player that matches the quality we have elsewhere.

As for picking fault, fine I won't. He's wonderful. I'll just ignore everything I've said which is on the basis of what I see each week. This board is about opinions and having first gone to the Hawthorns in 1962(I think) I think I'm entitled to have 1!

Totally agree with your first paragraph. Been saying the same for a while now, but always get shot down. I honestly don't think he's that good of a player, he just happens to fit our style at the moment
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 02:15:21 PM
Thank-you, TheBrom. I didn't think I would be in a minority of 1, but it's nice to have some support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 18, 2017, 02:18:19 PM
Thank-you, TheBrom. I didn't think I would be in a minority of 1, but it's nice to have some support.

Don't get me wrong, he's not the worst player we've ever had, and I don't actively not like him. Just think he's not as good as some make out and we could really do with improving in the striker department.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on February 18, 2017, 02:20:08 PM
Rondon is pretty much as good as it gets. Can I think of a striker who is

a) A  tactical fit
b) Available in our price range (wages and fees)
c) Doesn't have long term fitness or attitude issues.

Not really. You are either taking a chance on a player stepping up from the Championship or one of Europe's lesser leagues e.g. Belgium Netherlands or Portugal. Or maybe come in at a fairly late age from one of the bigger  overseas. The alternative is to re-engineer the team to play in a manner that accommodates a player with different attributes.

Shane Long, Jay Rodriguez, Ashley Barnes, Jon Walters, Cameron Jerome etc are a few similar players that match the criteria. Not saying all of these are better than Rondon but I think at least the first three names mentioned would improve our team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 18, 2017, 02:29:23 PM
Think he's a great forward but an average striker, love watching him for his energy and work rate and he fits in perfect for how we play but he will miss as many chances as he will score. he's equal 18th in this seasons scoring charts but could easily have had double to what he's clocked up. don't think he's particularly good with his back to goal in the air but not always sure we play to his strengths anyway, how often do we bang in quick crosses like we did against Swansea.
he has faults but for me I would be disappointed to lose him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 02:31:39 PM
No, of course he's not the worst player or striker we've ever had, and I'm sure he's a very likeable chap but I think a new striker should be our number 1 priority, and I don't mean as back up to Rondon. Yes we need to improve in 1 or 2 other positions especially where age is becoming a factor but what we really need is a striker who can score more often and contribute more than just effort.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2017, 03:19:52 PM
Shane Long, Jay Rodriguez, Ashley Barnes, Jon Walters, Cameron Jerome etc are a few similar players that match the criteria. Not saying all of these are better than Rondon but I think at least the first three names mentioned would improve our team.

Incredible.

Fans of the teams of the players you have mentioned would swap them for Rondon in a heartbeat.

I honestly give up. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 18, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Incredible.

Fans of the teams of the players you have mentioned would swap them for Rondon in a heartbeat.

I honestly give up. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
He clearly said he wouldn't swap him for them but would have one of them as well, I think right now Shane long would fit us very well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on February 18, 2017, 03:42:17 PM
I really don't understand the high regard that Shane Long is held in by some of our fans
He struggles to get a place in the Southampton team, has never been a goalscorer and his first touch is awful (apart from that memorable goal against Villa)

Yes he will run all day, but his hold up play is no better than Rondon, and that's what we need a striler to do more than anything with our style of play
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 03:57:28 PM
"There are none so blind........."

Except, of course, Jacko2000, those that disagree with you!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
He clearly said he wouldn't swap him for them but would have one of them as well, I think right now Shane long would fit us very well.

He said the first 3 would improve us... Which in our set-up mean come in to the starting line-up at the expense of Rondon, therefore swap in the literal sense is fair imo.

As for Long he can't trap a bag of cement or play with his back to goal he also isn't any more prolific a goalscorer than Rondon. His only qualities are pace and endeavour. When we first signed him it was one of the worst things we could have done, re-signing him would be lunacy after getting rid for a decent fee.

"There are none so blind........."

Except, of course, Jacko2000, those that disagree with you!

Here's their actual records...

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 18, 2017, 04:25:02 PM
What as Rondon got to do for some fans just talk to the opposition defender`s or the match of the day panel Or the opposition fans they will tell you just how good he is .Leads the line better than any side below us .Ok he does`nt score as many as he should but my god he puts a shift in and all defenders he`s up against know they have  been in a match
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 04:35:12 PM
I think I hold Shane Long in slightly higher regard than Jacko but to put him ahead of Rondon is a stretch to say the least, Jay Rodriguez not an obvious tactical match, the rest I would be mortified if any of them were signed even as a back up option.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 04:41:43 PM
Just to bring the debate back a stage, are those who "support" Rondon arguing that we should only be seeking to sign another striker as back-up to him rather than as a first choice starter? Is Rondon  so good that we don't need to look for anyone any better?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 18, 2017, 04:54:45 PM
Just to bring the debate back a stage, are those who "support" Rondon arguing that we should only be seeking to sign another striker as back-up to him rather than as a first choice starter? Is Rondon  so good that we don't need to look for anyone any better?
we should always aim to sign better, easier said than done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 05:03:03 PM
Yes of course but the question remains, for the purposes of this debate and needs to be answered. Are people saying Rondon is good enough?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 18, 2017, 05:10:14 PM
Yes of course but the question remains, for the purposes of this debate and needs to be answered. Are people saying Rondon is good enough?
Good enough for what, too good for teams at the lower end and not good enough for a top 6 club, 7th placed Everton have a better player in Lukaku so Rondon is good enough for a 8th placed club such as ourselves. not saying I wouldn't want better who would? but its going to be difficult for a club our size to attain better. hope the club proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 18, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
Just to bring the debate back a stage, are those who "support" Rondon arguing that we should only be seeking to sign another striker as back-up to him rather than as a first choice starter? Is Rondon  so good that we don't need to look for anyone any better?
Perhaps a complimentary poaching type striker to feed off him might be an idea?
In the olden days I would have been describing an old fashioned number10
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 18, 2017, 06:23:49 PM
Yes of course but the question remains, for the purposes of this debate and needs to be answered. Are people saying Rondon is good enough?

In a word yes. Not irreplaceable but certainly good enough. Does he need support? Absolutely and in general I would suggest wherever possible  we have a clear number 1 in every position to concentrate resources on the first XI thus maximising the quality of first XI. However given how physically tough the lone striker role is and how critical having a fit and firing target man the one exception is the 2nd string Centre Forward who should be as close in quality to Rondon as we can get.

At that point we can have a debate who is the better but some of the names thrown into this debate aren't close to being able to lace Rondon's boots
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 18, 2017, 07:43:27 PM
No he`s not irreplaceable  but i believe it would be hard to find someone of his irk we have a certain counter attacking style and he is the vocal point of this style mind you we found him so there are some gems out there
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on February 18, 2017, 08:41:32 PM
I've had time to ponder on rondon. I must admit I'm not one of his biggest fans. But he works well in our system works tirelessly for the team and wants to be here. That last point is key for me. We may be able to get someone better but its a long shot and maybe only here for a short time until someone comes sniffing round. With rondon I feel he's genuinely happy here and I don't think could play any higher I think we are the perfect club for him. He does need competition though. You kind of wish he would start banging them in though he has a great attitude and must be a managers dream you know your going to get 100% which should be a given but is rarely these days
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 18, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
My final word on the subject-I think we need a better goalscorer than Rondon to progress. I hope we're looking for someone to fit the bill and are willing to raise our sights in the summer. Otherwise I can't see us improving on 8th, which is good but I hope our new owners have greater ambition.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2017, 11:08:46 PM
My final word on the subject-I think we need a better goalscorer than Rondon to progress. I hope we're looking for someone to fit the bill and are willing to raise our sights in the summer. Otherwise I can't see us improving on 8th, which is good but I hope our new owners have greater ambition.

I love the Albion, want them to win every game etc, etc. But look at the 7 teams above us in the league. What is this fabled improvement you're seeking from our Chinese owners? If we finish 8th for the next 5 seasons, that would be massive improvement for a club like Albion. There is a ceiling, it's 20 feet thick and we're tapping on it with a rock hammer. Now Andy Dufresne eventually made it out of Shawshank, but it took an extremely long time along with both cleverness and luck.

The Leicester thing, I feel has blinded some people to the stark realities of the Premier League. Have a look at Leicester City now. Where they stand currently is far closer to their true median than being Premier League Champions.

How does this link to Rondon? Well a striker who plays like Rondon but also scores prolifically would cost over £50 million, there's one 120 miles down the road, his name is Diego Costa, they are few and far between and have absolutely no interest in playing for West Bromwich Albion. I'm yet to hear a name that though may score 3 or 4 more goals a season than Salomon would not hugely degrade our all round play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 19, 2017, 01:05:21 AM
I agree with Jacko judging a player on whether or not they can push us on to a top 6 place is a ridiculously high bar. It is one of the great footballing myths that bolting on even a world class striker  onto an otherwise relatively moderate side somehow elevates that team to another level. In any event no player who comes close to fitting the "world class" tag even in the twilight of their careers will be gracing an Albion shirt anytime soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 19, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
Messi anybody.For those who dislike Rondon You want a better striker perhaps he fits your bill unsettled at Barcelona Perhaps you would lie Mr Lai to spend of our next 5 years budget on the player to bring the fans back to the Hawthorns He`s the one you`ve been waiting for ME I WILL STICK WITH SOLOMAN as he fits into the shape of our team and Messi won`t track back
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 19, 2017, 01:07:04 PM
I really don't understand the high regard that Shane Long is held in by some of our fans
He struggles to get a place in the Southampton team, has never been a goalscorer and his first touch is awful (apart from that memorable goal against Villa)

Yes he will run all day, but his hold up play is no better than Rondon, and that's what we need a striler to do more than anything with our style of play
Well I'll try and explain

1) I have no issue with rondon,I think he has served us pretty well and we are quite fortunate to have him
2) I'm looking from the point we need a pusher/back up that TP would have faith in, I'm not sure he does in HRK?
3) you made a comment that long cannot get in the Southampton team, well two things, credit to Southampton for having good competition for places, they probably have 3/5 that could start any given game up front, secondly (and very important) long has never been guaranteed a start, when here he had Pete lukaku etc,hull had competition, saints have competition, yet I have never heard him moan and is always ready to play and play wherever asked, he does not know how to give just 99%
4) there seems to be a view on long , and I do understand why, but when he was here he was (in terms of affection) up against a WORLD class lukaku and a very well regarded (at that point) Pete, Pete got shoved out to accommodate and the fans generally were peeved , neither me nor long made that decision.

Defence starts from the front, it's hard to quantify but long really helps take the pressure of the defence, he is a very good out ball and harasser of defences, if my memory serves me we were beating reading, took off long and put on lukaku, we lost that game because the ball didn't stick up the field, of course it's all about opinions, but just because you like one player does not mean you are anti another.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 19, 2017, 01:10:52 PM
Something to think about, we are as good as safe, the Chinese window is still open , would anybody at 35m ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on February 19, 2017, 02:27:54 PM
Something to think about, we are as good as safe, the Chinese window is still open , would anybody at 35m ?

If the club receive a offer like that from a Chinese club with our current position we would sell. If we had received the offer we received on deadline day a little earlier in the window we would of accepted that. Look i rate Rondon but that money is just to good to turn down. You would like to think we could really bring in a good quality replacement or a couple of good additions in other positions for that money.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 19, 2017, 03:08:50 PM
Something to think about, we are as good as safe, the Chinese window is still open , would anybody at 35m ?
Not disrespecting HRK but selling our main striker could cost us £8m - £10m if it meant we dropped 4 or 5 places in the league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on February 19, 2017, 03:22:17 PM
I love the Albion, want them to win every game etc, etc. But look at the 7 teams above us in the league. What is this fabled improvement you're seeking from our Chinese owners? If we finish 8th for the next 5 seasons, that would be massive improvement for a club like Albion. There is a ceiling, it's 20 feet thick and we're tapping on it with a rock hammer. Now Andy Dufresne eventually made it out of Shawshank, but it took an extremely long time along with both cleverness and luck.

The Leicester thing, I feel has blinded some people to the stark realities of the Premier League. Have a look at Leicester City now. Where they stand currently is far closer to their true median than being Premier League Champions.

How does this link to Rondon? Well a striker who plays like Rondon but also scores prolifically would cost over £50
million, there's one 120 miles down the road, his name is Diego Costa, they are few and far between and have absolutely no interest in playing for West Bromwich Albion. I'm yet to hear a name that though may score 3 or 4 more goals a season than Salomon would not hugely degrade our all round play.

Perfect summary sir!  Where are these Rondon improvements? What will they cost? Why would they even consider coming here even for twice as much as we could pay them? How many more goals/points would they be worth to us?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 19, 2017, 03:30:15 PM
With fee inflation which the Chinese are now contributing to in no small way the less the money is worth, obviously there is a price at which we would sell but a fee that once have been enough to transform the squad now barely covers the cost of a decent replacement. I wouldn't sell now and would be extremely reluctant to let him go in the summer.

It will be difficult enough to find an additional striker without replacing an established Premier League forward unless we absolutely have to.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 19, 2017, 06:35:58 PM
I love the Albion, want them to win every game etc, etc. But look at the 7 teams above us in the league. What is this fabled improvement you're seeking from our Chinese owners? If we finish 8th for the next 5 seasons, that would be massive improvement for a club like Albion. There is a ceiling, it's 20 feet thick and we're tapping on it with a rock hammer. Now Andy Dufresne eventually made it out of Shawshank, but it took an extremely long time along with both cleverness and luck.

The Leicester thing, I feel has blinded some people to the stark realities of the Premier League. Have a look at Leicester City now. Where they stand currently is far closer to their true median than being Premier League Champions.

How does this link to Rondon? Well a striker who plays like Rondon but also scores prolifically would cost over £50 million, there's one 120 miles down the road, his name is Diego Costa, they are few and far between and have absolutely no interest in playing for West Bromwich Albion. I'm yet to hear a name that though may score 3 or 4 more goals a season than Salomon would not hugely degrade our all round play.
Completely agree with you, and the last paragraph in particular, though the strikers you refer to would probably cost even more than you suggest, not to mention astronomical wages. And yes, the Rondon detractors struggle to come up with a single credible alternative name. The same arguments used against Rondon could be used against every single player in our team. Yes, there are better players, but no we wouldnt be able to attract them, so yes Im happy with him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 05:07:00 PM
Man of the match today.


From the pundits in Canada at any rate.


I thought he was very good again.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2017, 05:12:24 PM
I didnt think he had his best of games at times today but like I said in the match thread he gives his all, runs the channels and holds up the ball. He does need a goal or 2 to go with his all round play but his all round play is the reason we are where we are.

His 2 burst with the ball towards the end of the game one down the right channel and the the other down the left in the 80th minutes was class pure class and took so much pressure off us

Love the guy
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on February 25, 2017, 05:13:30 PM
Works very hard no doubt about that but didn't think he had a good game at all.

Essential to the way we play though.  The battering ram that suits our play.

Just feel the ball runs away from him too often after poor touches and his passing at times is poor.  10 games without a goal now.  Could do with one coming off his backside soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on February 25, 2017, 05:14:13 PM
Man of the match today.


From the pundits in Canada at any rate.


I thought he was very good again.

Think it was an average performance. Messed up a few counters but did some other good things. Not the best player in our team though
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 25, 2017, 05:29:19 PM
Think it was an average performance. Messed up a few counters but did some other good things. Not the best player in our team though

If our player served him balls like he serve's them we would see a lot more goals off him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on February 25, 2017, 05:39:41 PM
If our player served him balls like he serve's them we would see a lot more goals off him.

Rondon tend to miss many 1 vs 1 against the keeper and tend to mess up a lot of chances due to taking poor touches. He would score more if he got more chances but you can say the same for every striker in the world. I dont think HRK would have gone this many games without a goal if he played as much as Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 25, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
A unique solution to the Rondon problem. Play McCauley at centre forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
Funny, I thought he worked tirelessly but again everything bounced off him and his touch was poor. Had a few half chances but nothing of note. Playing against a Bournemouth side with the worst aerial dual rate in the league you'd expect better. Didn't matter in the end, but it's a good job we've got goals throughout the rest of the team

Also to add, he gets hailed and applauded for tracking back and putting a foot in,but that often means he's knackered and caught down field when we need him to break
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on February 25, 2017, 05:54:14 PM
I think he is invaluable. Will get you out of trouble 9 times out of ten.

Just needs to find that goal and he will be perfect.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 05:54:59 PM
If all you look for is fault that is what you will find...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2017, 06:06:08 PM
If all you look for is fault that is what you will find...

To be fair I didn't have to look hard today.. Everything he touched bounced off him. Thought he gave the ball away more than anyone, and for that reason tired himself out running around after it. Didn't feel confident that he'd put any of his chances away today. Really needs a goal.

Doesn't matter anyway, we still got the three points
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 25, 2017, 06:09:06 PM
Clearly not in form but I would not drop him as he brings much more to the team even when he does not score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on February 25, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
 if you`re not going to drop him when he`s not in form that means you`re not going to drop him at all which is plain stupid. He has to justify his position else no point in signing another c/f  #nosacredcows as Sir Garry once said
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2017, 06:31:25 PM
To be fair though he works in our system, and it's not like we're relying on his goals. We've not exactly got anyone to replace him if we drop him. Just wish he'd hold it up a bit better
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 25, 2017, 06:33:05 PM
Funny, I thought he worked tirelessly but again everything bounced off him and his touch was poor. Had a few half chances but nothing of note. Playing against a Bournemouth side with the worst aerial dual rate in the league you'd expect better. Didn't matter in the end, but it's a good job we've got goals throughout the rest of the team

Also to add, he gets hailed and applauded for tracking back and putting a foot in,but that often means he's knackered and caught down field when we need him to break

its what TP is telling him is part of his job in fact it's what TP tells the whole squad.
He is not played in the role of a out & out number 9 in the mould of the King.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on February 25, 2017, 06:40:34 PM
Said to my mate at the match today, he's being played in much the same way as we used MAF.
Did cross my mind though that Victor might have done a better job than Solomon today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on February 25, 2017, 06:57:20 PM
Staggered at people thinking he has a good game or even came close to getting man of the match  :o

His touch was extremely poor and, apart from 2 instances in last 15 minutes, he lost the ball by simply bumbling into Bournemouth defenders. I'll never fault his work rate but he was outfought throughout the game too.

If anybody noticed, he also went straight down the tunnel when the whistle went, stripped of his shirt and looked really angry with something.

He should be thankful that he has zero competition and that we're winning plenty of games right now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2017, 06:59:31 PM
Staggered at people thinking he has a good game or even came close to getting man of the match  :o

His touch was extremely poor and, apart from 2 instances in last 15 minutes, he lost the ball by simply bumbling into Bournemouth defenders. I'll never fault his work rate but he was outfought throughout the game too.

If anybody noticed, he also went straight down the tunnel when the whistle went, stripped of his shirt and looked really angry with something.

He should be thankful that he has zero competition and that we're winning plenty of games right now.

Noticed that too. Think he realised he hadn't had the best of games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: section5 on February 25, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
I can't believe some of the stuff some people must honestly think
He gave their cbs a day from hell, I don't think people understand movement and space creation he is not the stereotypical target man spearheading everything from the middle despite his physique, he drags defenders all over the shop and brings in players like mozza chadli phillips brunt etc into the channels and lines that he has created space for.  Sometimes his touch could be better , but if he did have a better touch he probably wouldn't be here. You can see defenders must have the day from hell with rondon and hate playing against him. Yes in front of goal he could be more prolific but when you consider our system and how many players from all over the pitch that chip in with goals I honestly don't think it's that much of an issue, if he was our only goal threat you feel he'd need someone up with him but with the way we play and with set pieces being a particular strength he fits pretty well. The pundits from the stream I watched gave him motm, him Livermore or gmac for me,  foster has to be in contention for a recall to England. His form since coming back from injury has been outstanding.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Andylad83 on February 25, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
From the BRE.  It was clear Rondon was annoyed with himself throughout the 2nd half.
Swinging hes legs and arms in frustration.

Desperately needs a goal... But cant fault what he brings to our system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 25, 2017, 07:15:23 PM
if you`re not going to drop him when he`s not in form that means you`re not going to drop him at all which is plain stupid. He has to justify his position else no point in signing another c/f  #nosacredcows as Sir Garry once said

I think even an out of form Rondon offers more when he is not scoring then Robson Kanu does with his off the ball play. Ideally I would like to see a new striker who could come in and play one up front but Robson Kanu is not that sort of player for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on February 25, 2017, 07:21:26 PM
Man of the match for me today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
I think even an out of form Rondon offers more when he is not scoring then Robson Kanu does with his off the ball play. Ideally I would like to see a new striker who could come in and play one up front but Robson Kanu is not that sort of player for me.

Totally agree with this. As I said, love the effort and running, just don't think his hold up play has been that great. We've got nothing else other than him, and are still getting plenty of goals so not too much of an issue at the moment
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on February 25, 2017, 07:27:36 PM
Man of the match for me today.

Just intrigued to see your side of things - what do you think he did to be man of the match?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2017, 07:36:49 PM
Rondon won 1 of 7 aerial duals today according to Opta. Bournemouth had won the fewest aerial duals out of every team in the league before today. Also 1 out of 4 successful take ons and no shots..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on February 25, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
It's easy to get sucked in by all the work rate and the occasional cheeky smile .

The question is how much of what he does is quality centre forward play .

People talk about moving onto the next level whatever that may be but I do believe we are a decent centre forward away from being a very good premier league side for seasons to come . 

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieJames114 on February 25, 2017, 07:51:50 PM
Friend from a Bournemouth perspective commented how much of a bully he is, never stops and is a horrible nuscience. He may not have the style at times but he runs his absolute knackers off for this club and for me, that is all i will ever ask
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on February 25, 2017, 07:55:13 PM
Man of the match for me today.

My man of the match as well absolutely ran himself into the ground and although he didn't get a goal his play to bring everyone else into the game was first class. I bet those two two Bournemouth cb's are glad to see the back him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on February 25, 2017, 08:00:39 PM
MOTM for me as well today. People are judging him based on how many goals he scored and not on his overall contribution. His touch is nowhere near as bad as its made out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on February 25, 2017, 08:09:57 PM
Livermore was our man of the match today . Looking beyond the work rate which seems to excuse certain individuals from criticism the game is actually played with a ball and  Livermore played a lot of intelligent passes and used the ball well .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on February 25, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
MOTM for me as well today. People are judging him based on how many goals he scored and not on his overall contribution. His touch is nowhere near as bad as its made out.

Yes he puts in a real shift but he lost the ball nearly every time a Bournemouth defender went near him; running into blind alleys and bodies.

What was his overall contribution today?

I mean if you infer from his body language I don't think he was too happy with his personal performance today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 25, 2017, 08:10:37 PM
really like him as a player, he has to make two minor improvements in his game that would make him a great striker.
better in the air when his back is to goal and his finishing.
not a lot really.
over to you Ron.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 25, 2017, 08:31:22 PM
His first touch today was awful, his second touch was a throw in.
As for people saying he was man of the match. What game were you at?
Livermore was the best player on the pitch today.
The nice guy running around a lot is starting to wear a bit thin for me, though I do recognise and appreciate the effort but to fullfil his role he needs to add goals into his game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 25, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
as you know i`m a big fan but today he looked lost  needs one to go in of his backside to get his confidence up
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2017, 08:42:48 PM
What Rondon does isn't just running around a lot... Anyone that knows my posting style knows I hate the idea of hero worship for effort over ability (Shane Long - a player who truly only runs around a lot). He played a sumptuous pass in to Chadli today very late on in the game after breaking two tackles, He would have also had two superb assists if James McClean had a modicum of composure in front of goal so his quality is there for all to see if people are willing to look; in front of goal he's in a slump but his career record is around 1 in 3, so it'll come again.


There were two clear moments when he took a particularly heavy touch allowing the defender in, one of these when Livermore tried to put him through, I feel these are being magnified on this forum. As to this insistence on banging on about Opta stats and aerial duels, who cares if he wins any flick ons? He's the furthest player forward anyway, get the stat where it says how many times he holds off 2 or even 3 defenders and lays the ball off and we'll talk.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 25, 2017, 08:51:15 PM
What Rondon does isn't just running around a lot... Anyone that knows my posting style knows I hate the idea of hero worship for effort over ability (Shane Long - a player who truly only runs around a lot). He played a sumptuous pass in to Chadli today very late on in the game after breaking two tackles, He would have also had two superb assists if James McClean had a modicum of composure in front of goal so his quality is there for all to see if people are willing to look; in front of goal he's in a slump but his career record is around 1 in 3, so it'll come again.


There were two clear moments when he took a particularly heavy touch allowing the defender in, one of these when Livermore tried to put him through, I feel these are being magnified on this forum. As to this insistence on banging on about Opta stats and aerial duels, who cares if he wins any flick ons? He's the furthest player forward anyway, get the stat where it says how many times he holds off 2 or even 3 defenders and lays the ball off and we'll talk.

Hear hear! We do need back up though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on February 25, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
What Rondon does isn't just running around a lot... Anyone that knows my posting style knows I hate the idea of hero worship for effort over ability (Shane Long - a player who truly only runs around a lot). He played a sumptuous pass in to Chadli today very late on in the game after breaking two tackles, He would have also had two superb assists if James McClean had a modicum of composure in front of goal so his quality is there for all to see if people are willing to look; in front of goal he's in a slump but his career record is around 1 in 3, so it'll come again.


There were two clear moments when he took a particularly heavy touch allowing the defender in, one of these when Livermore tried to put him through, I feel these are being magnified on this forum. As to this insistence on banging on about Opta stats and aerial duels, who cares if he wins any flick ons? He's the furthest player forward anyway, get the stat where it says how many times he holds off 2 or even 3 defenders and lays the ball off and we'll talk.

See, I feel that his few good moments are being magnified by yourself. We struggled to get out of our half in the second half and although there were many occasions on which we just pumped the ball aimlessly, when Rondon had the ball he continually lost it.

Despite this, you can see he is clearly drained of confidence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 25, 2017, 10:18:49 PM
He is also cream crackered at the end of the game.
He helps out in defence....Runs up to over the halfway line, and with our system he has to track back again because the hoof or the poor passing means that the opposition are attacking our goal.
Repeat that last sentence quite a few times. Again repeat.
Our midfield are so preoccupied by having to track back too, they cannot support him when he does finally get the ball (they are also cream crackered)....They have to run half the pitch just to get close enough.
He needs more help by the team playing further up the field.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 26, 2017, 01:18:02 AM
See, I feel that his few good moments are being magnified by yourself. We struggled to get out of our half in the second half and although there were many occasions on which we just pumped the ball aimlessly, when Rondon had the ball he continually lost it.

Despite this, you can see he is clearly drained of confidence.

You seem to disregard everything he does & concentrate solely on his lack of goals & before you say "but thats why he's in the team" i think he's in the team because of his all around game & there is not a finisher at the club, neither is there one who has his all around game. He needs better service he has to many ball to his neck ( which he jumps up as to take them on his chest) how about some to his feet or better still a few balls behind the defenders .   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on February 26, 2017, 08:43:46 AM
Not being a huge fan of Rondon I’d like to add my opinion.

I can’t deny his graft and strength he shows week in week out and I also don’t overlook the work he does off the ball dragging defenders about to open up space for his team mates. But for me his ball control lets him down big time and I never get too excited when his on a one on one through on goal, he just doesn’t seem to have the confidence that a good striker should have.

All the above said after the TP WM phone-in on Tuesday a comment TP made got me thinking. He mentioned that when he was a player he used to go to a coaching seminar every summer which was run by the top coaches in England at the time. Malcom Allison was one of the coaches mentioned and he was well ahead of his time regarding tactics. He then went on to say how they used to set these sessions up without using a centre forward. Probably as they could see defences were getting better and eventually your out and out striker would be no more. Even the laws of the game have changed the way your old fashioned striker can play.

Did anyone else hear him say that and do you think this is how Salomon is played in our set up?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on February 26, 2017, 08:48:13 AM
Hear hear! We do need back up though.

Here Here again!

The guy gets so much unfair stick on this site.

Realistically, for £12m, who could we get who's better?

Nobody who albion could sign could do his job better IMO
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 26, 2017, 08:58:04 AM
Not being a huge fan of Rondon I’d like to add my opinion.

I can’t deny his graft and strength he shows week in week out and I also don’t overlook the work he does off the ball dragging defenders about to open up space for his team mates. But for me his ball control lets him down big time and I never get too excited when his on a one on one through on goal, he just doesn’t seem to have the confidence that a good striker should have.

All the above said after the TP WM phone-in on Tuesday a comment TP made got me thinking. He mentioned that when he was a player he used to go to a coaching seminar every summer which was run by the top coaches in England at the time. Malcom Allison was one of the coaches mentioned and he was well ahead of his time regarding tactics. He then went on to say how they used to set these sessions up without using a centre forward. Probably as they could see defences were getting better and eventually your out and out striker would be no more. Even the laws of the game have changed the way your old fashioned striker can play.

Did anyone else hear him say that and do you think this is how Salomon is played in our set up?
There's different views on what is an out and out striker. Is it the good in the air target man type or the quick goal scoring type...or a mix of the two. I know Rondon is a huge focal point for us...his mobility and strength must mean any centre back pairing will know they've been in a game after playing against him. He's not absolute top notch for skill or finishing but he's ideal for our team setup with Morrison, Chadli, Phillips, Brunt able to play around him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on February 26, 2017, 09:07:26 AM
I didn't see any of the game yesterday other than MOTD so the debate here is really interesting. I've gotta say, MOTD can paint a picture but he looked involved in everything good that they showed.

Has he scored since his hat-trick? We do need better back up than Robson-Kanu or to to use him more as Rondon in general does so much every week and as Jacko points out, it's not only about goals and aerial duels he's a clever player and if some of our players were more composed he'd have a few more assists this year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2017, 09:44:02 AM
MOTM for me as well today. People are judging him based on how many goals he scored and not on his overall contribution. His touch is nowhere near as bad as its made out.

Not normally, I'd agree, but he couldn't get anything to stick yesterday.

Have to say though, in his defence, the Hawthorns has a reputation for being a really difficult stadium to play in on a windy day.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on February 26, 2017, 10:15:56 AM
Just intrigued to see your side of things - what do you think he did to be man of the match?

Only just come back to this and the debate has moved on, Jacko explained my views pretty well. He brought others into play, occupied the centre backs, was always a winning runner and but for some finishing frailties, could have had an assist. He also should have won us a penalty/free kick in the first half and a probable red card for the defender.

I brought a United supporting friend to the game yesterday and he was very impressed with him. He commented how well he does considering there is no one within 30 yards of him and he has to hold the ball for around 5 seconds before he has any support at times. I think perhaps we forget what a difficult role he plays.

To comment on the shouts for Livermore as man of the match, I thiught he played well too. However he is new and exciting; we haven't yet seen his faults and limitations but with Rondon we have. His limitations are well established: he doesn't have blistering pace, he's not the best player technically and isn't the best finisher but we can overlook a players positives when they've been here a while, like sometimes happens with Brunt and Morrison for example.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 26, 2017, 02:01:39 PM
What Rondon does isn't just running around a lot... Anyone that knows my posting style knows I hate the idea of hero worship for effort over ability (Shane Long - a player who truly only runs around a lot). He played a sumptuous pass in to Chadli today very late on in the game after breaking two tackles, He would have also had two superb assists if James McClean had a modicum of composure in front of goal so his quality is there for all to see if people are willing to look; in front of goal he's in a slump but his career record is around 1 in 3, so it'll come again.


There were two clear moments when he took a particularly heavy touch allowing the defender in, one of these when Livermore tried to put him through, I feel these are being magnified on this forum. As to this insistence on banging on about Opta stats and aerial duels, who cares if he wins any flick ons? He's the furthest player forward anyway, get the stat where it says how many times he holds off 2 or even 3 defenders and lays the ball off and we'll talk.

Don't agree with you often but this is spot on
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on February 26, 2017, 02:17:01 PM
part of a team that is in our best run of form for a very long time. I'm not going to complain about that. Personally I love the bloke, as I've said before if he had better finishing and dribbling ability he would be playing for  a bigger team than us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 26, 2017, 05:44:34 PM
I agree with Jacko on the opta stats front re Rondon - he fights such a lone battle and is often outnumbered by defenders, the stats just don't reflect his importance to us at all. He can't just knock it 5 yards sideways or backwards to notch up a completed pass.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on February 26, 2017, 06:02:25 PM
What Rondon does isn't just running around a lot... Anyone that knows my posting style knows I hate the idea of hero worship for effort over ability (Shane Long - a player who truly only runs around a lot). He played a sumptuous pass in to Chadli today very late on in the game after breaking two tackles, He would have also had two superb assists if James McClean had a modicum of composure in front of goal so his quality is there for all to see if people are willing to look; in front of goal he's in a slump but his career record is around 1 in 3, so it'll come again.


There were two clear moments when he took a particularly heavy touch allowing the defender in, one of these when Livermore tried to put him through, I feel these are being magnified on this forum. As to this insistence on banging on about Opta stats and aerial duels, who cares if he wins any flick ons? He's the furthest player forward anyway, get the stat where it says how many times he holds off 2 or even 3 defenders and lays the ball off and we'll talk.

He did play two good balls to McClean but that was about all he did yesterday. Hes played more of his career in weaker leagues so hes goalscoring ratio looks better due to that. Rondon tends to mess up a lot of decent opportunities, not just yesterday but very often due to poor touches. Being able to hold of defenders is the least he should be able to do, especially with his physique as he doesnt offer much else. Poor in the air, ball rarely sticks to him, poor finisher etc. His movement is decent but running around a lot is something every striker should be able to do.

If we do want to finish in the top half of the table regulary and having a some decent cup runs then Rondon is the first player that needs to be replaced.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on February 26, 2017, 06:09:29 PM
He did play two good balls to McClean but that was about all he did yesterday. Hes played more of his career in weaker leagues so hes goalscoring ratio looks better due to that. Rondon tends to mess up a lot of decent opportunities, not just yesterday but very often due to poor touches. Being able to hold of defenders is the least he should be able to do, especially with his physique as he doesnt offer much else. Poor in the air, ball rarely sticks to him, poor finisher etc. His movement is decent but running around a lot is something every striker should be able to do.

If we do want to finish in the top half of the table regulary and having a some decent cup runs then Rondon is the first player that needs to be replaced.

Speechless, was going to reply but this is such a load of nonsense i really can't be arsed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 26, 2017, 06:49:05 PM
Speechless, was going to reply but this is such a load of nonsense so true i really can't be arsed

Fixed that for you
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 26, 2017, 07:03:06 PM
Rondon is absolutely integral. Anyone who doesn't see the work he does for this team isn't looking properly. He is having a rough patch in front of goal at the moment but his all round play hasn't dropped at all.

And the mental pressure on him when there is no worthwhile back up must take its toll on him as well. He single handily leads the front line and there is no one else to relieve that mental or physical pressure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 26, 2017, 07:10:01 PM
Appreciate this all round play but he needs to start scoring more.
 I don't buy this if he scored more he wouldn't be playing for Albion argument. I'm not expecting him to get 20+ goals a season but he has only scored in 5 league games this season. 5 out of 26.
Is it unreasonable for us to expect our main striker to get 12-15 goals a season? Shouldn't that be the rate for a top 10 quality striker? I know there are 12 games left but I'd be gobsmacked if he gets into double figures.

I really hope he makes me eat my words by scoring 3 or more in our remaining games.

As I say I do appreciate his hard work but surely he was bought to score goals as he has a 1 in 3 goal rate. It's not as if his misses often make the keeper make a save either they are very often wayward lashes (often it seems from frustration).

We need at the very least 1 new striker in the Summer but not someone similar in style to Rondon but someone more in the style of Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 26, 2017, 07:23:20 PM
Appreciate this all round play but he needs to start scoring more.
 I don't buy this if he scored more he wouldn't be playing for Albion argument. I'm not expecting him to get 20+ goals a season but he has only scored in 5 league games this season. 5 out of 26.
Is it unreasonable for us to expect our main striker to get 12-15 goals a season? Shouldn't that be the rate for a top 10 quality striker? I know there are 12 games left but I'd be gobsmacked if he gets into double figures.

I really hope he makes me eat my words by scoring 3 or more in our remaining games.

As I say I do appreciate his hard work but surely he was bought to score goals as he has a 1 in 3 goal rate. It's not as if his misses often make the keeper make a save either they are very often wayward lashes (often it seems from frustration).

We need at the very least 1 new striker in the Summer but not someone similar in style to Rondon but someone more in the style of Odemwingie.

Agree with this, the stats I posted in the goals from everywhere thread last week have changed with this week's matches. With the two defenders scoring for us and King scoring for Bournemouth, we've now got the least percentage of goals scored by our striker out of everyone in the league.

I know everyone will say he works and pulls players out of positions, but I feel he needs to improve his hold up play, first touch and finishing to really help us kick on. Those saying he had a good game yesterday, he clearly knew he hadn't as did most of the fans sitting around me; he was right down the tunnel as soon as the whistle went.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 26, 2017, 08:40:05 PM
Rondon helped make the first goal / his goals winner v palace scored and made one against spam equalised against Stoke scored v Burnley and hatrick v Swans  that means when RONDON scores we havn`t lost and take away some of his goals and we would be seven points worse of and back in the pack Just lay off him he does a great job for our team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 26, 2017, 09:12:05 PM
Does it actually matter that much that he's not scoring if the team is ? He plays a big role in the team. If he was a penalty box striker who does nowt else then it's fair enough to grumble but we are scoring more goals as a team with him as a fulcrum of the attack.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 26, 2017, 09:42:30 PM

When was a clear cut chance created for Rondon by the midfield or full backs sticking crosses in that he should of scored? I'm struggling to think of any from the last game. There was a couple of chances played to his feet in the middle of their half but they were not even half chances. Until he starts missing those clear cut chances which we don't even create it's unfair to lay blame at his door when he does not score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 26, 2017, 10:21:27 PM
to true adder
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 27, 2017, 12:47:09 AM
Was wondering since people have left fletcher alone who next target for the fans might be, could it be rondon?

I dont think were going to get much better than solomon, in the sense of what tony seems to expect his strikers to do. Its allmost like were set up for the midfield to be the main attacking threat and the striker to be more of a link up type of player rather than a classic goal scoring but does sod all else type of player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on February 27, 2017, 01:06:37 AM
I know that over the course of a season he should have more goals, but I just can't believe the amount of stick/critique he gets online.

Absolutely delighted he plays for us rather than against us.

Quick read of opposition supporter views of him tells me what we'd be up against otherwise.

Vive la Ron'  8) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 27, 2017, 06:41:44 AM
If we didn't have Rondon we would have to have a striker very similar to Rondon. He could and should score more goals but if he gets into double figures that's about par for a side that looks like it might score about 50 goals across the season.

There might be better goal scorers but very few that are a tactical fit and part of that tactical fit is Rondon's all round contribution which should never be ignored. A lot of Baggies fans on my twitter feed were drooling over Manolo Gabbiadini and rightly so, but look at how Southampton play it is totally different to how we play the ball is worked through the midfield to feet even against a top 6 side. We don't do that Rondon's willingness to pursue lost causes scrap and harry are absolutely essential and as good as Gabbiadini looks I don't think that is a major part of his game.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 27, 2017, 07:41:50 AM
Cant fault rondon work ethic and team play. I do think HRK deserves more game time though
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on February 27, 2017, 09:02:08 AM
Cant fault rondon work ethic and team play. I do think HRK deserves more game time though

I dont

Great lad to have around the squad and to bring on but he is nowhere near the quality of Rondon

Rondon is paramount to what we want to achieve here, everything good about our play comes from Rondon leading the line.

Glad we have him in our side
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 27, 2017, 09:20:03 AM
When was a clear cut chance created for Rondon by the midfield or full backs sticking crosses in that he should of scored? I'm struggling to think of any from the last game. There was a couple of chances played to his feet in the middle of their half but they were not even half chances. Until he starts missing those clear cut chances which we don't even create it's unfair to lay blame at his door when he does not score.
I'm not just talking about the last game though. In the 21 games this season where he hasn't scored he's had a number of chances that he's missed and usually doesn't make the keeper even make a save. Ones that really stick out for me are in the first half against Swansea where he had 2 really good chances and ballooned them over the bar, the last minute header against Hull away and the shot that hit the post against Middlesbrough away when he should have scored. I'm pretty sure he missed a couple of decent chances against Sunderland too, there are others but I can't remember who they were against.

As I said in my original post I appreciate the hard work he does for the team but I'd expect our main striker to score more goals...not shed loads more just more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 27, 2017, 11:36:18 AM
"every thing good about our play comes from Rondon leading the line ". That's an amazing statement! Any trained athlete could have done the vast majority of what Rondon did on Saturday, let alone a £12m striker. How many headers did he win. How many times did he collect and control the ball, hold it till support arrived and lay it off? How many shots did he have? We need  a striker who can contribute more than running around a lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 27, 2017, 01:20:38 PM
"every thing good about our play comes from Rondon leading the line ". That's an amazing statement! Any trained athlete could have done the vast majority of what Rondon did on Saturday, let alone a £12m striker. How many headers did he win. How many times did he collect and control the ball, hold it till support arrived and lay it off? How many shots did he have? We need  a striker who can contribute more than running around a lot.

He held the ball up really well, a lot of comments on the Bournemouth forum pointed out how well Rondon played and how he caused their two CH's a difficult game.

I think he could be sharper in front of goal for sure - but if he was he'd be playing for a club in a strong position than ours. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on February 27, 2017, 01:37:52 PM
If we didn't have Rondon we would have to have a striker very similar to Rondon. He could and should score more goals but if he gets into double figures that's about par for a side that looks like it might score about 50 goals across the season.

There might be better goal scorers but very few that are a tactical fit and part of that tactical fit is Rondon's all round contribution which should never be ignored. A lot of Baggies fans on my twitter feed were drooling over Manolo Gabbiadini and rightly so, but look at how Southampton play it is totally different to how we play the ball is worked through the midfield to feet even against a top 6 side. We don't do that Rondon's willingness to pursue lost causes scrap and harry are absolutely essential and as good as Gabbiadini looks I don't think that is a major part of his game.

Agreed regarding Gabbiadini; looks excellent but wouldn't play as the 9 for us, he would be wide or as the number 10 due to our tactics and playing style. Rondon fits the bill for how we play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on February 27, 2017, 02:20:45 PM
As a matter of interest, both local football correspondents gave Salomon 6/10 for Saturday, & both made the comment that his control was below standard.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: danwatson on February 27, 2017, 02:36:22 PM
I don't think he had his best game by any stretch, his touch did let him down at some vital times, but his overall contribution to the team really cannot be questioned. At times on Saturday in the second half when Bournemouth were starting to pen us in he would release so much pressure carrying the ball 50/60 yards up field on his own which I'm sure the rest of the team were grateful for.

He was very isolated at times as usual and this can very much impact the stats that have been quoted. He might not be an out and out goalscorer but in the style of play we have some of these premier league out and out goalscorers wouldn't be as half as effective as Rondon and what he brings to our team.

Don't think hes immune from criticism and he does need to work on his sharpness around the area but I don't think he deserves the level of criticism that hes getting from Saturdays game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 27, 2017, 05:37:43 PM
He held the ball up really well, a lot of comments on the Bournemouth forum pointed out how well Rondon played and how he caused their two CH's a difficult game.

I think he could be sharper in front of goal for sure - but if he was he'd be playing for a club in a strong position than ours.
Nearly every week I have a look on our opposing fans' forums, and nearly every week they are full of praise for Rondon, mostly commenting on what a torrid time they gave their central defenders and how they wish they had someone like him in their side. About three quarters of fans who post on here seem to feel the same appreciation for him, but it seems a few just cant or wont see the wood from the trees. Personally, very happy he plays for us and not against us, excellent player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 27, 2017, 05:57:02 PM
Look at the league table, the club immediately above us have a top class striker who they will struggle to hold on to. Take Lukakus goals off everton and they would be significantly lower than us in the league.

My point is Salomon contributes greatly to the teams results and (barring china) we will be able to keep him here long term (in my opinion), yes, we can all aspire to a Lukaku quality player but if we could un-earth one we wouldn't keep him.

True he is no world beater but he'll do for me, at least until we sign up another Cyrille on a 10 year deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 27, 2017, 06:05:39 PM
give the bloke credit for keeping his enthusiasm match after match, it'd be easy to let your head drop the way he's played, chase lost causes and when the ball gets near him sometimes there isn't any support around him whatsoever.
its a thankless task the job he does.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 27, 2017, 06:17:18 PM
As a matter of interest, both local football correspondents gave Salomon 6/10 for Saturday, & both made the comment that his control was below standard.

You'll find most credible sources think the same too. I didn't think it was he best game at all for us.

give the bloke credit for keeping his enthusiasm match after match, it'd be easy to let your head drop the way he's played, chase lost causes and when the ball gets near him sometimes there isn't any support around him whatsoever.

Thing is his head does drop and he ends up walking around the pitch and usually in an offside position when we need to break. How many times was he on the floor moaning, as he is in a lot of matches where he doesn't get his own way with the ref?

I don't think he had his best game by any stretch, his touch did let him down at some vital times, but his overall contribution to the team really cannot be questioned. At times on Saturday in the second half when Bournemouth were starting to pen us in he would release so much pressure carrying the ball 50/60 yards up field on his own which I'm sure the rest of the team were grateful for.

He was very isolated at times as usual and this can very much impact the stats that have been quoted. He might not be an out and out goalscorer but in the style of play we have some of these premier league out and out goalscorers wouldn't be as half as effective as Rondon and what he brings to our team.

Don't think hes immune from criticism and he does need to work on his sharpness around the area but I don't think he deserves the level of criticism that hes getting from Saturdays game.

Thing is he won only 1 aerial dual all game against the lowest ranked team for aerial duals. That's not down to being isolated. I've mentioned before when he can't use his strength to his advantage against defenders and it impacts us as the ball comes straight back all the time. Similar to the poor first touches. But hey stats don't count if they don't suit the argument
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 27, 2017, 06:26:12 PM
You'll find most credible sources think the same too. I didn't think it was he best game at all for us.

Thing is his head does drop and he ends up walking around the pitch and usually in an offside position when we need to break. How many times was he on the floor moaning, as he is in a lot of matches where he doesn't get his own way with the ref?

Thing is he won only 1 aerial dual all game against the lowest ranked team for aerial duals. That's not down to being isolated. I've mentioned before when he can't use his strength to his advantage against defenders and it impacts us as the ball comes straight back all the time. Similar to the poor first touches. But hey stats don't count if they don't suit the argument
Not long ago we had Victor Anichebe, we've improved by getting Rondon, who's to say we wont improve again this summer. for now its adequate and working lets see what we do next.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 27, 2017, 06:28:25 PM
Not long ago we had Victor Anichebe, we've improved by getting Rondon, who's to say we wont improve again this summer. for now its adequate and working lets see what we do next.

Oh yes I'm not arguing that at all. Definitely an improvement. Just don't think he has had many good games this season, and certainly not as good as some are making out. Don't get me wrong we're doing well, but to really kick on I feel he definitely needs improving
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 27, 2017, 08:33:23 PM
Oh yes I'm not arguing that at all. Definitely an improvement. Just don't think he has had many good games this season, and certainly not as good as some are making out. Don't get me wrong we're doing well, but to really kick on I feel he definitely needs improving
Most of the people on this forum, most opposing fans, most centre halves, and Uncle Tony all disagree with you. I value the judgement of people who see him on a regular basis over the opinion of some hack whose marks often bear no resemblance to what we have seen with our own eyes
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on February 27, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
It’s official.

We’re absolutely and utterly sh it and only sit eighth in the table due to TP, the players and coaching staff walking in ever decreasing circles from alternate angles to urine on the pitch. It’s all due to witch craft and the quick rub of a randy leprechaun’s testicles I tells ya. This has to be true as I read it online somewhere while eating mushrooms and washing them down with fermented yak’s urine, perhaps.

Salomon Rondon is nothing but an athletic donkey with no clue how to play his opponents. His career record of approximately one goal in every three appearances was arrived at by a series of off sides, deflections, ‘lucky’ buttock ricochets and voodoo. He has no discernible talent beyond an ability to run very long distances while single-handedly carrying two centre halves on his back and has a first touch to make a baby elephant blush.

The man is a charlatan, a waste of oxygen, financial resource and training ground rations. Get him the naughty word out of our club and sign someone capable of bagging 15-20 goals a season while leading the line on his own. Someone with a modicum of talent who can defend from the front, run the channels without complaint and is nice to kids at Christmas. In fact just please sign ANYONE other than Rondon-key for me please………

But whomever we sign, ensure we get him/her in for about £12,000,000 so as to free up funds for our incoming left back, centre half and at least one additional forward to replace the willing but even shitter HRK. Crikey, imagine where we’d be in the table if TP knew how to get the last ounce out of the players we already have.

And breathe……..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 27, 2017, 09:53:21 PM
The answers still NO if the Chinese come knocking.
 http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/874065991?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 28, 2017, 08:34:51 AM
Most of the people on this forum, most opposing fans, most centre halves, and Uncle Tony all disagree with you. I value the judgement of people who see him on a regular basis over the opinion of some hack whose marks often bear no resemblance to what we have seen with our own eyes

So most opposition fans and most centre halfs see him regularly do they?

I've seen every home game he's played and about half of the away games and I still say he needs to be better. His shooting is awful; as I've repeatedly said he often doesn't even work the keeper.  He hasn't scored since Dec 14th and has not scored in 21 games this season. How is that good?

I would expect our main striker to be able to get 12 goals a season, I don't think that's unreasonable (in fact it's the 1 in 3 his goal record is supposed to be)...and certainly not at the rate where as some keep saying "if he did scored more regularly he wouldn't be playing for us"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 28, 2017, 11:21:50 AM
So most opposition fans and most centre halfs see him regularly do they?

I've seen every home game he's played and about half of the away games and I still say he needs to be better. His shooting is awful; as I've repeatedly said he often doesn't even work the keeper.  He hasn't scored since Dec 14th and has not scored in 21 games this season. How is that good?

I would expect our main striker to be able to get 12 goals a season, I don't think that's unreasonable (in fact it's the 1 in 3 his goal record is supposed to be)...and certainly not at the rate where as some keep saying "if he did scored more regularly he wouldn't be playing for us"
For you, a striker is clearly judged solely on the amount of goals they score. Of course, you are entitled to hold that opinion, but football is a team game and his value to the team is immense. Read some of the arguments on this forum, from fans who also see him on a regular basis, and ask yourself why their view is so different from yours. Perhaps you are missing something
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 28, 2017, 11:52:43 AM
Whoever claimed earlier that HRK should have more game time wants their head checking.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 28, 2017, 01:25:17 PM
Who`s the best striker in the premier league it`s RON DON DON IT`S YOU RONDON  Just lay of him he does a great job for us I certainly don`t care if he scores or not He`s playing well were playing well would we be eighth without him I doubt it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 28, 2017, 01:28:26 PM
For you, a striker is clearly judged solely on the amount of goals they score. Of course, you are entitled to hold that opinion, but football is a team game and his value to the team is immense. Read some of the arguments on this forum, from fans who also see him on a regular basis, and ask yourself why their view is so different from yours. Perhaps you are missing something

I see him on a regular basis and don't think he's that good. My opinion obviously which others disagree with but I don't mind. I back my opinion up with facts and stats rather than hearsay and other people's views
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2017, 01:34:36 PM
I see him on a regular basis and don't think he's that good. My opinion obviously which others disagree with but I don't mind. I back my opinion up with facts and stats rather than hearsay and other people's views
Ultimately 1 fact matters, League position, the team is 8th best in the league, he is an integral part of the team. end of discussion (for me)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on February 28, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
Ultimately 1 fact matters, League position, the team is 8th best in the league, he is an integral part of the team. end of discussion (for me)

Not really end of discussion as this thread is about Rondon not the league position.  It's easy to hide criticism (and quite right criticism in my opinion) behind saying "league position"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 28, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
correct on that one albionic
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on February 28, 2017, 01:57:29 PM
Don't post here often but read most days but this discussion has really been grinding on me. I go to every home game (have done for 15 years) and watch every away game. I think people are really missing the tactical side of things with Rondon with regards to how difficult his job is and how well he performs it for us. I'm not saying Rondon has the best first touch or he is the most deadly finisher, indeed if he did have both of those stats in addition to everything he already does well i believe you are talking about someone of Diego Costa's ilk. By that a mean a £40-50m striker as opposed to a £12m striker. It isn't just the value, you have to consider if a player of such ability were available he would be playing for Chelsea or similar.
Onto Rondon, people keep quoting he poor first touch and lack of duals won etc. The problem with this is that you fail to consider that the opposing defenders job is to simply head the ball anyway clear of danger. Rondon (or any striker) has to try and actually control the ball. Trying to control a ball means the stats about duals won/lost are misleading. It is an entirely different proposition preparing to control a football whilst holding off a defender than to simply try and win the ball no matter where it goes. Also, you have to consider that because he is so isolated it allows the opposing centre half to fully commit to the ball as if he loses/misses/gets beaten he always has help behind. Thirdly, i often see the ball played up to Rondon and because we are so deep he cannot simply meet the ball and knock it off or play a first time chest/head/pass he has to actually try and bring the ball under control and hold it for 5+seconds whilst support arrives. This gives the second centre half who wasn't involve din the original tussle to simply nip in front and come away with the ball. On the occasions whereby Rondon successfully achieves this is more down to his good play than poor play when he doesn't. Someone mentioned earlier that one Saturday (even though it wasn't his best game) there were still two or three occasions where he carried the ball 50-60 yards with no support to relieve pressure. He also played 2 brilliant passes which Chadli just missed and McClean hit the keeper.
Sorry for the rant but it really annoys me that people are slating a player that i believe (most other clubs fans do also) does a great job for us.

Could he score more - sure.
Could he have a better touch - probably.
Would i rather have any other realistic striker in the premier league - No.

I feel people on here will always find a reason to moan/get on a players back. If he were terrible, lazy, unprofessional then i would get it but the level of criticism he gets really does baffle me.

Final question - if he isn't good enough - who else (realistically) would people rather see perform that role for us?

   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 28, 2017, 02:38:49 PM
For you, a striker is clearly judged solely on the amount of goals they score. Of course, you are entitled to hold that opinion, but football is a team game and his value to the team is immense. Read some of the arguments on this forum, from fans who also see him on a regular basis, and ask yourself why their view is so different from yours. Perhaps you are missing something

Wrong that's you misinterpreting my argument to prove your point.. As I've said in numerous posts about Rondon I appreciate the work he does for the team and have never knocked him for it. I just think he should score more goals than he does or at at least make the keeper work more than he does. How anyone can deny that is beyond me.

Also just because a lot of people all think something doesn't make them right, perhaps they are missing something or are so cock eyed in their support for the club that they can't bring themselves to question one of our players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
Wrong that's you misinterpreting my argument to prove your point.. As I've said in numerous posts about Rondon I appreciate the work he does for the team and have never knocked him for it. I just think he should score more goals than he does or at at least make the keeper work more than he does. How anyone can deny that is beyond me.

Also just because a lot of people all think something doesn't make them right, perhaps they are missing something or are so cock eyed in their support for the club that they can't bring themselves to question one of our players.
But you are also mis-interpreting what people are saying, of course he could (and maybe should) score more, thats bleeding obvious, but that alone is not a reason to decry the bloke.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 28, 2017, 02:55:21 PM
But you are also mis-interpreting what people are saying, of course he could (and maybe should) score more, thats bleeding obvious, but that alone is not a reason to decry the bloke.
I've not misinterpreted what anyone has said at all. I'm not denying that Rondon works hard and makes a positive contribution to the team my point has always been he should score more goals than he does. It's also bleedin obvious to me but apparently not to quite a few posters on here.
 I haven't decried him once as you put it, I've constantly and consistently said that the only downside to him is that he doesn't score enough goals, that's just a fact.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BENBOW59 on February 28, 2017, 05:50:00 PM
Now we have 40 points and are safe,  if it is true that we have been offered £32 million for Rondon fro China,  it might be worth thinking about accepting and making do until the summer when we will have £32 m + £12 m  ( Saido ) to get two first class forwards ?       Just a thought.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 28, 2017, 06:02:54 PM
I've not misinterpreted what anyone has said at all. I'm not denying that Rondon works hard and makes a positive contribution to the team my point has always been he should score more goals than he does. It's also bleedin obvious to me but apparently not to quite a few posters on here.
 I haven't decried him once as you put it, I've constantly and consistently said that the only downside to him is that he doesn't score enough goals, that's just a fact.
You haven't decried him once??? Apart from saying that he doesnt score enough, he doesn't work the keeper enough, and his shooting is terrible, amongst others. Yes, you at least you recognise his work and value to the team, but your overall tone is that you dont really rate him . This is why I and others disagree with you. I am not unaware of his weaknesses, but overall I think he is a huge asset to our team. I just dont understand why you cant see that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 28, 2017, 07:13:00 PM
Sorry Benbow Rondon stays now and for the forseable future He is our leader and integral to the way we play
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on February 28, 2017, 07:28:53 PM
You haven't decried him once??? Apart from saying that he doesnt score enough, he doesn't work the keeper enough, and his shooting is terrible, amongst others. Yes, you at least you recognise his work and value to the team, but your overall tone is that you dont really rate him . This is why I and others disagree with you. I am not unaware of his weaknesses, but overall I think he is a huge asset to our team. I just dont understand why you cant see that.
He doesn't score enough,he doesn't work the goalkeeper enough and his shooting is terrible, your opinion he is a huge asset i disagree and now i suppose you won't understand why i can't see it!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 28, 2017, 08:25:35 PM
Don't post here often but read most days but this discussion has really been grinding on me. I go to every home game (have done for 15 years) and watch every away game. I think people are really missing the tactical side of things with Rondon with regards to how difficult his job is and how well he performs it for us. I'm not saying Rondon has the best first touch or he is the most deadly finisher, indeed if he did have both of those stats in addition to everything he already does well i believe you are talking about someone of Diego Costa's ilk. By that a mean a £40-50m striker as opposed to a £12m striker. It isn't just the value, you have to consider if a player of such ability were available he would be playing for Chelsea or similar.
Onto Rondon, people keep quoting he poor first touch and lack of duals won etc. The problem with this is that you fail to consider that the opposing defenders job is to simply head the ball anyway clear of danger. Rondon (or any striker) has to try and actually control the ball. Trying to control a ball means the stats about duals won/lost are misleading. It is an entirely different proposition preparing to control a football whilst holding off a defender than to simply try and win the ball no matter where it goes. Also, you have to consider that because he is so isolated it allows the opposing centre half to fully commit to the ball as if he loses/misses/gets beaten he always has help behind. Thirdly, i often see the ball played up to Rondon and because we are so deep he cannot simply meet the ball and knock it off or play a first time chest/head/pass he has to actually try and bring the ball under control and hold it for 5+seconds whilst support arrives. This gives the second centre half who wasn't involve din the original tussle to simply nip in front and come away with the ball. On the occasions whereby Rondon successfully achieves this is more down to his good play than poor play when he doesn't. Someone mentioned earlier that one Saturday (even though it wasn't his best game) there were still two or three occasions where he carried the ball 50-60 yards with no support to relieve pressure. He also played 2 brilliant passes which Chadli just missed and McClean hit the keeper.
Sorry for the rant but it really annoys me that people are slating a player that i believe (most other clubs fans do also) does a great job for us.

Could he score more - sure.
Could he have a better touch - probably.
Would i rather have any other realistic striker in the premier league - No.

I feel people on here will always find a reason to moan/get on a players back. If he were terrible, lazy, unprofessional then i would get it but the level of criticism he gets really does baffle me.

Final question - if he isn't good enough - who else (realistically) would people rather see perform that role for us?

Who fits into TP style of play & budget :o  Not many names really out there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on February 28, 2017, 10:01:42 PM
He doesn't score enough,he doesn't work the goalkeeper enough and his shooting is terrible, your opinion he is a huge asset i disagree and now i suppose you won't understand why i can't see it!
Correct, I dont. I challenge you to name one player with Premiership experience, within our realistic fee/wages range, who would do better. Struggling? Thought so.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on February 28, 2017, 10:27:27 PM
Correct, I dont. I challenge you to name one player with Premiership experience, within our realistic fee/wages range, who would do better. Struggling? Thought so.
No i ain't struggling at all there's one out there that we let go, Chris wood!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 28, 2017, 10:36:32 PM
No i ain't struggling at all there's one out there that we let go, Chris wood!

Tbf the leeds team is totally set up around woods goals and he isnt expected to do what rondon does, v. little hold up play. Also the defences in the championship and the premiership are very different.

Any premiership proven players we can afford?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2017, 11:59:48 PM
No i ain't struggling at all there's one out there that we let go, Chris wood!


This thread gets funnier by the minute...


Now we have 40 points and are safe,  if it is true that we have been offered £32 million for Rondon fro China,  it might be worth thinking about accepting and making do until the summer when we will have £32 m + £12 m  ( Saido ) to get two first class forwards ?       Just a thought.


We've already got one first class forward, that is why someone may be willing to pay £30+ million for him...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 01, 2017, 07:02:50 AM
You haven't decried him once??? Apart from saying that he doesnt score enough, he doesn't work the keeper enough, and his shooting is terrible, amongst others. Yes, you at least you recognise his work and value to the team, but your overall tone is that you dont really rate him . This is why I and others disagree with you. I am not unaware of his weaknesses, but overall I think he is a huge asset to our team. I just dont understand why you cant see that.

Depends on your definition of "decry" to me it means unconstructive criticism or needless lambasting.
Yes I think he lacks in front of goal which like it or nor is the fundamental thing about being a striker, scoring goals, it's not all they should be judged on but it is a big part of it. Anyone can see he lacks something in front of goal. Maybe it's confidence, maybe it's our playing style, maybe it's something else.

Just to be clear I do rate him and I'd rather he got better in front of goal than we look to replace him. I hope the striker we get in the Summer is not in the same mold but more of a pacey, makes their own chances type. I also think we need one more striker for back up alongside Robson Kanu so I'm hoping we get 2 new strikers in the Summer: 1 quality, 1 back up (on a season long loan).






Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 07:36:45 AM

This thread gets funnier by the minute...



We've already got one first class forward, that is why someone may be willing to pay £30+ million for him...
Here we go again someone as a different view to you on a player so it's funny. You think he is first class fair enough but you didn't like Shane long if you check their career games played goals scored it's virtually the same but imo Long is the better player, what is funny about Chris Wood? he is banging them in fir fun and before you say its in the championship that is one tough league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2017, 10:14:06 AM
Here we go again someone as a different view to you on a player so it's funny. You think he is first class fair enough but you didn't like Shane long if you check their career games played goals scored it's virtually the same but imo Long is the better player, what is funny about Chris Wood? he is banging them in fir fun and before you say its in the championship that is one tough league.


The Championship is rubbish. It's a difficult league to get out of because the teams are very evenly matched. Wood is just that a Championship striker. Rondon is a Champions League striker.


Long? Awful player. Don't get me started.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 01, 2017, 11:25:12 AM

The Championship is rubbish. It's a difficult league to get out of because the teams are very evenly matched. Wood is just that a Championship striker. Rondon is a Champions League striker.


Long? Awful player. Don't get me started.

Oh, go on then i'll be first as you asked

Whats your problem with Long ?
a) he's quick
b) he tries
c) he can dive (hull away !)
d) he has a great leap
e) he's super athletic

Is he technically gifted - no

Over to you ......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on March 01, 2017, 11:31:34 AM
Did I just read a suggestion of Chris Wood?

That's hilarious, bang average player.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 12:12:09 PM
No i ain't struggling at all there's one out there that we let go, Chris wood!
Honestly, if a Championship player who we rejected some years ago is the best you can come up with, it is not surprising that you get ridiculed. Anyway, I did say name someone with Premiership experience, and even you would struggle to fit Chris Wood  into that category with any degree of seriousness. I might be wrong, but I cant remember him EVER scoring in the Premiership. Compare with Rondon please
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 01, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
some players we let go cut their cloth and they do actually improve
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on March 01, 2017, 12:22:11 PM
some players we let go cut their cloth and they do actually improve

Maybe they do, but Chris Wood is by no means any kind of answer to a striker search
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 12:34:23 PM
some players we let go cut their cloth and they do actually improve
Agreed, but I cant think of any that have improved to a level that they play successfully in the Premiership
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 01, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
Did I just read a suggestion of Chris Wood?

That's hilarious, bang average player.

Even Geoff Horsfield was a better striker than Chris Wood.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 01, 2017, 01:17:28 PM
Correct, I dont. I challenge you to name one player with Premiership experience, within our realistic fee/wages range, who would do better. Struggling? Thought so.

Rondon had no premier league experience...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 01:34:29 PM
Rondon had no premier league experience...
I realise that, but the challenge was to find someone who had.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 01, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
Rondon had no premier league experience...

Come on please, he had played and scored in the champions league though. Chris Woods, i quite like him but not a viable comparison even with a stretch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 01, 2017, 01:41:00 PM
Come on please, he had played and scored in the champions league though. Chris Woods, i quite like him but not a viable comparison even with a stretch.

No quote specifically asked for someone with premier league experience. Hence my comment that Rondon didn't have any before signing for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 01, 2017, 01:56:49 PM
If you could hypothetically poll every Premier league manager, coach, scout and pundit who they think is the better player Rondon or Chris Wood, i'd honestly be very surprised if as many as 5% said Wood.

Back to the debate. Could we find a better player this summer for £12 million? highly unlikely.

£20-25 million though? Now we are being much more realistic. (don't forget a club apparently offered £30 million for Rondon in Jan)

Will we be prepared to spend that amount of money on one player in the summer?

Only the board really know the answer to that question


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2017, 01:57:26 PM
Oh, go on then i'll be first as you asked

Whats your problem with Long ?
a) he's quick
b) he tries
c) he can dive (hull away !)
d) he has a great leap
e) he's super athletic

Is he technically gifted - no

Over to you ......


Oh God. 


2nd touch is a tackle. Cannot hold up the ball. Doesn't bring others into play. Poor finisher. Poor passer. Cheat. Over 1 in 4 record despite a Championship season boosting stats.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 01, 2017, 02:29:06 PM


Look at the strikers around us Everton have Lukaku who has scored 17 this season, about a 40% of all Everton's 42 Goals. Michail Antonio from West Ham has 8 of 35 (22%), Peter Coach is on 7 of Stoke 30 goals (23%). Andre Grey of Burnley has 7 of Burnley 28 (25%).

Rondon has 7 of our 36 (20%). So we are the least reliant on one player scoring for us and our top scorer is bang in the middle of all the top strikers around us with the exception of Lukaku. Who is in a team setup so he scores the majority of there goals. I don't believe Lukaku in our team would be scoring 17 goal this season as we don't create enough chances for the strikers instead we rely on set pieces and the attacking midfields.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 01, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
Lukaku would easily score 17 for us.  He did when we were rubbish. :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 01, 2017, 03:20:52 PM

Look at the strikers around us Everton have Lukaku who has scored 17 this season, about a 40% of all Everton's 42 Goals. Michail Antonio from West Ham has 8 of 35 (22%), Peter Coach is on 7 of Stoke 30 goals (23%). Andre Grey of Burnley has 7 of Burnley 28 (25%).

Rondon has 7 of our 36 (20%). So we are the least reliant on one player scoring for us and our top scorer is bang in the middle of all the top strikers around us with the exception of Lukaku. Who is in a team setup so he scores the majority of there goals. I don't believe Lukaku in our team would be scoring 17 goal this season as we don't create enough chances for the strikers instead we rely on set pieces and the attacking midfields.

If you look at the rest of my stats on this subject (I'll update them to reflect recent goals), you'll see that we rely on Rondon less than most of, if not the entire league, not just those around us. I suppose that can also be seen as a positive as well as a negative. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 04:13:36 PM
Honestly, if a Championship player who we rejected some years ago is the best you can come up with, it is not surprising that you get ridiculed. Anyway, I did say name someone with Premiership experience, and even you would struggle to fit Chris Wood  into that category with any degree of seriousness. I might be wrong, but I cant remember him EVER scoring in the Premiership. Compare with Rondon please
Ridiculed! Not by you mate I've forgot more about football and players than you will ever know!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 04:15:49 PM

The Championship is rubbish. It's a difficult league to get out of because the teams are very evenly matched. Wood is just that a Championship striker. Rondon is a Champions League striker.


Long? Awful player. Don't get me started.
In your opinion Long is awful in my opinion he is not so if you want to get started feel free
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 04:19:09 PM
I would love to have some of these discussions face to face, but i bet the majority on here are keyboard warriors who wouldn't say a word in the real world!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 01, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Lukaku would easily score 17 for us.  He did when we were rubbish. :D

He did indeed we also finished 8th with a goal total of 53 which gives us a ratio 32% of all our goals scored came from him. Interestingly if you look at the top scores from the 12/13 season many of the other top scorer positions have already been met or exceeded and we still have 12 games to go :o

Lukaku  17
Long 8
Morrison 5
Odenwingie 5
Gera 4
Mcauley 3

McAuley      7
Rondón           7
Chadli      5
Morrison           5
Phillips           5

IMO HRK would be 4th choice striker in our 12/13 season pushing Marc-Antoine Fortuné   down to 5th.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 01, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
I would love to have some of these discussions face to face, but i bet the majority on here are keyboard warriors who wouldn't say a word in the real world!

 ;D ;D ;D

Are you chris woods dad?

The only player i can think of the top of my head who can do what rondon does with experience is carroll and hes a bit of a crock.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 01, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
;D ;D ;D

Are you chris woods dad?

The only player i can think of the top of my head who can do what rondon does with experience is carroll and hes a bit of a crock.

Ibrahimovic? He was on a free as well. Mind you Chris Wood did have more premier league experience before  Ibrahimovic joined ManU ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on March 01, 2017, 05:36:58 PM
No i ain't struggling at all there's one out there that we let go, Chris wood!

Funniest post I've ever seen on here. We really do have the least knowledgeable fan base in the league.

We aren't getting a better striker than Rondon unless we become a top 6-sized club, the sooner fans realize this the better.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on March 01, 2017, 06:48:16 PM

Oh God. 


2nd touch is a tackle. Cannot hold up the ball. Doesn't bring others into play. Poor finisher. Poor passer. Cheat. Over 1 in 4 record despite a Championship season boosting stats.

Couldn't agree more about Long, apart from a memorable 1st touch and goal against Villa, I can't remember any other instance
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 01, 2017, 07:08:45 PM
Couldn't agree more about Long, apart from a memorable 1st touch and goal against Villa, I can't remember any other instance
If you strung all his goals against Villa for all his clubs into a YouTube video he would look amazing.....we ought to love him just for his Villa games. He's an enigma as a player - played very well for Koeman who doesn't suffer fools.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 01, 2017, 07:11:07 PM
I would love to have some of these discussions face to face, but i bet the majority on here are keyboard warriors who wouldn't say a word in the real world!

Really? Resorted to trying to start a fight? Just because some people have different opinions to you..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 07:37:49 PM
Really? Resorted to trying to start a fight? Just because some people have different opinions to you..
Not at all, how is what I've wrote trying to start a,fight? How can you start a fight with someone you don't know and can't see!? I have no problem with different opinions but i happen not to be keen on Rondon but am on Long so people are having a pop at me, well that's fine aswell but expect some flak in response. I don't take cr!p off anyone on here in in the real world
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 01, 2017, 07:40:37 PM
Not at all, how is what I've wrote trying to start a,fight? How can you start a fight with someone you don't know and can't see!? I have no problem with different opinions but i happen not to be keen on Rondon but am on Long so people are having a pop at me, well that's fine aswell but expect some flak in response. I don't take cr!p off anyone on here in in the real world

if you say silly things, you get silly responses. Same as in the real world.

ive had a word with my mate whos a leeds fan and he said he'd personally carry chris all the way here in a swop for soloman, he scores the goals but does very little else, doesnt create for other, doesnt really get stuck in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 08:04:23 PM
if you say silly things, you get silly responses. Same as in the real world.

ive had a word with my mate whos a leeds fan and he said he'd personally carry chris all the way here in a swop for soloman, he scores the goals but does very little else, doesnt create for other, doesnt really get stuck in.
So my opinions are silly then? I think other peoples opinions are ridiculous at times but i don't post derogatory replies in response, if you all want to keep having a go carry on i love it!! Oh and no matter what anyone says i still think and always will think Rondon is at best average and is not and never will be a top class finisher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 08:05:50 PM
Not at all, how is what I've wrote trying to start a,fight? How can you start a fight with someone you don't know and can't see!? I have no problem with different opinions but i happen not to be keen on Rondon but am on Long so people are having a pop at me, well that's fine aswell but expect some flak in response. I don't take cr!p off anyone on here in in the real world
Just out of interest, how exactly do you react when someone gives you flak in the real world? Verbal flak I mean. Anyway, I dont think anyone was really having a pop at you, just disagreeing or finding your posts hilarious. I would say exactly the same to your face and would be more than happy to have the debate in person, as long as you promise not to hit me  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 08:14:07 PM
Ridiculed! Not by you mate I've forgot more about football and players than you will ever know!
Youre quite right, if you look back over previous posts, you will find that the ridicule comes from others rather than me. However, its another cracker of a post.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 08:17:36 PM
Just out of interest, how exactly do you react when someone gives you flak in the real world? Verbal flak I mean. Anyway, I dont think anyone was really having a pop at you, just disagreeing or finding your posts hilarious. I would say exactly the same to your face and would be more than happy to have the debate in person, as long as you promise not to hit me  :D
I have disagreements discussions in the pub at work all the time about lots of different subjects but we all walk away at the end either agreeing,disagreeing or agreeing to disagree, without disrespecting each other or saying their thoughts /idea's are stupid, and no i don't hit them!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 08:20:01 PM
Youre quite right, if you look back over previous posts, you will find that the ridicule comes from others rather than me. However, its another cracker of a post.
As i said before ridicule all you like i will not change my view and i love it bring it on
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 01, 2017, 08:58:11 PM
Thought this was the Rondon thread not two Fans throwing there toys out the pram  ;) ;D :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
I have disagreements discussions in the pub at work all the time about lots of different subjects but we all walk away at the end either agreeing,disagreeing or agreeing to disagree, without disrespecting each other or saying their thoughts /idea's are stupid, and no i don't hit them!
I guess its one of those agree to disagree on Rondon. On Long, Im probably somewhere in the middle of you and Jacko. On Dawson, I'm more with you, so there you go, thats what a forum is all about. By the way though, saying you have forgotten more about football than I'll ever know is fairly disrespecful in my eyes, when you dont even know me  :) :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 09:02:45 PM
if you say silly things, you get silly responses. Same as in the real world.

ive had a word with my mate whos a leeds fan and he said he'd personally carry chris all the way here in a swop for soloman, he scores the goals but does very little else, doesnt create for other, doesnt really get stuck in.
Ha,ha he doesn't do anything apart from score goals!? Oh dear, what a silly statement that is, neither did Gary Lineker!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2017, 09:04:39 PM
I guess its one of those agree to disagree on Rondon. On Long, Im probably somewhere in the middle of you and Jacko. On Dawson, I'm more with you, so there you go, thats what a forum is all about. By the way though, saying you have forgotten more about football than I'll ever know is fairly disrespecful in my eyes, when you dont even know me  :) :)
Correct i don't know you and,for that reason i will apologize for that comment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 09:04:58 PM
Thought this was the Rondon thread not two Fans throwing there toys out the pram  ;) ;D :P
Well you were wrong, but I think all my toys are out of the pram now, so I'll go back to sleep again
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2017, 09:11:44 PM
Correct i don't know you and,for that reason i will apologize for that comment.
Apology accepted, at the end of the day its just opinions. Its a bit weird though that we all watch the same matches yet can disagree so much about certain players. Theres no right or wrong, except that Im right about Rondon  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on March 01, 2017, 09:21:12 PM
Apology accepted, at the end of the day its just opinions. Its a bit weird though that we all watch the same matches yet can disagree so much about certain players. Theres no right or wrong, except that Im right about Rondon  :D

Every one looks for different things in a player in a certain position & rates that player for the things he doe & doesn't do according to his like list.
But it's TP list that counts now. ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 01, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Cheers gents.

Just caught up on the last page or so of this thread.

Been roaring at some of the comments  :P .

Thanks again  8) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tucka9 on March 02, 2017, 11:14:20 AM
I would 100% guarantee we wouldn't be in 8th position on 40 points now if we had HRK, Berahino or even Long up top on his own all season, people don't realise the work he does to help the team who are average and can't keep possession for long periods of the game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 01:41:26 PM
I would 100% guarantee we wouldn't be in 8th position on 40 points now if we had HRK, Berahino or even Long up top on his own all season, people don't realise the work he does to help the team who are average and can't keep possession for long periods of the game

Due to the ball constantly coming back at them after it bounces off Rondon..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tucka9 on March 02, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
Due to the ball constantly coming back at them after it bounces off Rondon..
What about the endless free kicks etc he wins to get us 60 yards up the pitch? Don't get seen by many but helps the team so much. Every single player in our team raves about him so do other managers and fans. A club the size of us is ever going to have the perfect striker
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
What about the endless free kicks etc he wins to get us 60 yards up the pitch? Don't get seen by many but helps the team so much. Every single player in our team raves about him so do other managers and fans. A club the size of us is ever going to have the perfect striker

Rondon won one free kick against Bournemouth and one against West Ham, giving away 4.. Can't be bothered to check any more, as I don't think a striker should justify his place in the team on the amount of fouls he wins. I do remember him on the floor a number of times though, in plenty of games. This causes slumped shoulders and wandering slowly back onside. Needs to be stronger for me, I've said before he seems to go down quite easily, and I think a lot of refs don't give the foul due to his size and perceived strength.

Players and Pulis aren't exactly going to say he's pooh are they? I'm not saying we need the perfect striker (although thank you for at least admitting that he's not perfect), again just pointing out that I don't think he's as good as some people think. Think is hides a lack of quality and technical ability in running around and smiling a lot. If Long had smiled more would everyone love him too?

Just for a laugh looked up their stats (I know they don't count for some reason):

Long played 66, 16 goals 5 assists. 11/12 finished 10th, 12/13 finished 8th
Rondon played 60 (so far) 16 goals, 4 assists. 15/16 finished 14th, 16/17 ongoing.

So not that much in it from what I see, yet I'd say more people think Long wasn't good for us and Rondon is loads better. Think Long ran around more and won more free kicks too..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 02, 2017, 07:14:30 PM
Some fans will not realise just how good Rondon is until he`s gone He`s integral to the way we play
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on March 02, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
Would like to point some of you in the direction of this video of TP on Big Ronny. Sums it up perfectly:

https://twitter.com/WBA/status/837315327008501763

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
Some fans will not realise just how good Rondon is until he`s gone He`s integral to the way we play

But what is he good at? That's an honest question. All I keep getting on this thread are opinions with very little fact to back up the statements. Mainly saying he gets into good positions and that other players play better because of him?

The facts show that: he doesn't finish well, doesn't have a blistering goal record, doesn't get tons of assists, is not the quickest, not the strongest, doesn't win the majority of aerial duals, gives away more fouls than he wins, doesn't have great technical dribble/take on skills, has only scored in 5 premier league games this season, I'm not even sure he does actually run around a lot (I'd post the figures but can't find them anywhere). So what is it that he actually does?

Would like to point some of you in the direction of this video of TP on Big Ronny. Sums it up perfectly:

https://twitter.com/WBA/status/837315327008501763



That again repeats the same old, 'works hard for the team' statement, with no fact to back it up. His passing stats are poor, he's got 2 assists this season, wins a small amount of duals with defenders. What else does he do for the team? Are we just talking about moving defenders out of the way by running? I thought everyone hated players that just run around with little end product and quality?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on March 02, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
Some people amaze me. Rondon is the focus point of our whole game. He has been fantastic this season and works himself to exhaustion.

Yes he needs help and the odd rest, but we are lucky to have him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 08:03:21 PM
Some people amaze me. Rondon is the focus point of our whole game. He has been fantastic this season and works himself to exhaustion.

Yes he needs help and the odd rest, but we are lucky to have him.

So running around a lot makes him fantastic?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on March 02, 2017, 08:05:38 PM
So running around a lot makes him fantastic?

Yes with the quality and bullying of the centre backs he provides makes the opposition think about us on the counter. This aids the defensive make up of the team. Its alll about opinions but any team in the league would want him bar the top 7.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Yes with the quality and bullying of the centre backs he provides makes the opposition think about us on the counter. This aids the defensive make up of the team. Its alll about opinions but any team in the league would want him bar the top 7.

I don't think they would. I'd be surprised if we get any bids from other English teams in the summer for him.

Which quality is this we're talking about? I again see no fact, just the word 'quality' with nothing to back it up.  I also think more often than not he gets bullied by the centre backs, and spends a lot of time on the floor or moaning at the ref.

I'd argue our wingers are more integral to our counter attacking play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on March 02, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
I don't think they would. I'd be surprised if we get any bids from other English teams in the summer for him.

Which quality is this we're talking about? I again see no fact, just the word 'quality' with nothing to back it up.  I also think more often than not he gets bullied by the centre backs, and spends a lot of time on the floor or moaning at the ref.

I'd argue our wingers are more integral to our counter attacking play.

Ask Ryan Shawcross about Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 08:48:49 PM
Ask Ryan Shawcross about Rondon.

Interestingly when we played Stoke, he only won 2 out of 9 aerial duals as well..

Yes I am sad, I don't care, I like to prove a point...

Here are his aerial dual figures for the whole season courtesy of Opta:

Bournemouth 1 out of 7
West Ham 3 out of 11
Stoke 2 out of 9
Middlesborough 4 out of 8
Sunderland 7 out of 12
Spurs 1 out of 4
Hull 3 out of 8
Southampton 0 out of 2
Arsenal 1 out of 3
Man Utd 2 out of 6
Swansea 4 out of 10
Chelsea 6 out of 14
Watford 1 out of 10
Hull 3 out of 8
Burnley 3 out of 10
Leicester 7 out of 13
Man City 1 out of 5
Liverpool 4 out of 15
Tottenham 3 out of 14
Sunderland 3 out of 7
Stoke 2 out of 8
West Ham 2 out of 6
Bournemouth 2 out of 5
Middlesborough 3 out of 14
Everton 0 out of 4
Palace 5 out of 14

So on 2 occasions this season he has won more battles than he has lost. Some of those figures above are shocking too for a player in any position, let alone a target man who's primary role is to ease the pressure and hold the ball up. Not sure how he helps his team out by losing nearly 70% of battles with the defender.

On top of that his passing success figures are 66%. 16th best in the team. Only Foster, Dawson and McAuley regular starters are lower than him. So it really is his running that we are relying on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on March 02, 2017, 08:54:43 PM
Interestingly when we played Stoke, he only won 2 out of 9 aerial duals as well..

Yes I am sad, I don't care, I like to prove a point...

Here are his aerial dual figures for the whole season courtesy of Opta:

Bournemouth 1 out of 7
West Ham 3 out of 11
Stoke 2 out of 9
Middlesborough 4 out of 8
Sunderland 7 out of 12
Spurs 1 out of 4
Hull 3 out of 8
Southampton 0 out of 2
Arsenal 1 out of 3
Man Utd 2 out of 6
Swansea 4 out of 10
Chelsea 6 out of 14
Watford 1 out of 10
Hull 3 out of 8
Burnley 3 out of 10
Leicester 7 out of 13
Man City 1 out of 5
Liverpool 4 out of 15
Tottenham 3 out of 14
Sunderland 3 out of 7
Stoke 2 out of 8
West Ham 2 out of 6
Bournemouth 2 out of 5
Middlesborough 3 out of 14
Everton 0 out of 4
Palace 5 out of 14

So on 2 occasions this season he has won more battles than he has lost. Some of those figures above are shocking too for a player in any position, let alone a target man who's primary role is to ease the pressure and hold the ball up. Not sure how he helps his team out by losing nearly 70% of battles with the defender.

On top of that his passing success figures are 66%. 16th best in the team. Only Foster, Dawson and McAuley regular starters are lower than him. So it really is his running that we are relying on.

You are quoting stats, thankfully football isnt about stats. We have probably the worst possession in the league and yet we have battered some teams. Football is about those crucial moments that make the difference between 2 teams. It is in those subtle immeasurable occasions that make the difference. Rondon is a very good player, you are entitled to your opinion and i respect it, but to judge him on anything other than how the team are doing is harsh.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 02, 2017, 08:58:14 PM
Brom I respect TP`s and the ALBION player`s and the pundit`s and the opposition and the opposition fan`s word over your`s as I see it they have been in  top line Football for a long time They all say and believe Rondon is a top class striker you believe what you want but you obviously don`t watch the same player me and thousands of other fans do. Listen to TP on the Albion web site and he says what most of us believe
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 02, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
I can't be bothered to go into it too much but it's silly to try and justify our lone strikers ability on statistics when we are one of (if not the) most defensive team in the division.

For example obviously anyone who plays up top for us is going to have a dreadful pass completion % because they are so often a long way away from any team mate when they do collect the ball.

This is not a criticsm of Pulis but his tactics can make our defensive players look better than they are and our attacking players look worse than they are
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 02, 2017, 09:13:14 PM
1471 that cannot be right as there are only the top 7 sides who have scored more than us so yes we are sound in defense but also good attack wise as has been said before it`s not how long you keep the ball it`s what you do with it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tucka9 on March 02, 2017, 09:14:58 PM
Rondon won one free kick against Bournemouth and one against West Ham, giving away 4.. Can't be bothered to check any more, as I don't think a striker should justify his place in the team on the amount of fouls he wins. I do remember him on the floor a number of times though, in plenty of games. This causes slumped shoulders and wandering slowly back onside. Needs to be stronger for me, I've said before he seems to go down quite easily, and I think a lot of refs don't give the foul due to his size and perceived strength.

Players and Pulis aren't exactly going to say he's pooh are they? I'm not saying we need the perfect striker (although thank you for at least admitting that he's not perfect), again just pointing out that I don't think he's as good as some people think. Think is hides a lack of quality and technical ability in running around and smiling a lot. If Long had smiled more would everyone love him too?

Just for a laugh looked up their stats (I know they don't count for some reason):

Long played 66, 16 goals 5 assists. 11/12 finished 10th, 12/13 finished 8th
Rondon played 60 (so far) 16 goals, 4 assists. 15/16 finished 14th, 16/17 ongoing.

So not that much in it from what I see, yet I'd say more people think Long wasn't good for us and Rondon is loads better. Think Long ran around more and won more free kicks too..
The way we play will always show poor stats in all aspects of our game I think, it's off the ball stuff, bringing others into the game etc which shows how valuable he is to us, I can't think of any other striker who we could attract in the premier league who would do a better job than Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 09:16:25 PM
Sorry but the stats do count. It's funny that everyone is all over the stats when they show something positive, but don't want to see them when it's proving something negative..

You are quoting stats, thankfully football isnt about stats. We have probably the worst possession in the league and yet we have battered some teams. Football is about those crucial moments that make the difference between 2 teams. It is in those subtle immeasurable occasions that make the difference. Rondon is a very good player, you are entitled to your opinion and i respect it, but to judge him on anything other than how the team are doing is harsh.

Again, you're saying he's very good, but not saying why. Why is he very good? Immeasurable is a cop out really.

I can't be bothered to go into it too much but it's silly to try and justify our lone strikers ability on statistics when we are one of (if not the) most defensive team in the division.

For example obviously anyone who plays up top for us is going to have a dreadful pass completion % because they are so often a long way away from any team mate when they do collect the ball.

This is not a criticsm of Pulis but his tactics can make our defensive players look better than they are and our attacking players look worse than they are

Surely we need a striker with very good battling and passing stats then, if he's only going to see the ball for very short periods? This is my problem with Rondon. Nothing to do with how little or how much he sees the ball, the stats are based on percentages... and his passing percentage is one of the poorest in the team, as well as losing more battles than he wins.. Both of these, no matter how much you try to disagree with, show that he's perhaps not the top target man/hold up player that some think he is.

Brom I respect TP`s and the ALBION player`s and the pundit`s and the opposition and the opposition fan`s word over your`s as I see it they have been in  top line Football for a long time They all say and believe Rondon is a top class striker you believe what you want but you obviously don`t watch the same player me and thousands of other fans do. Listen to TP on the Albion web site and he says what most of us believe

Again, I'm backing my opinion up with facts. I've stated why I think he's not great. Still yet to see some actual attributes/tangible reasons to sway me otherwise.

I agree he plays an important role in our team, just trying to balance the opinions a bit by playing devil's advocate. Enjoying the debate anyway  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 09:21:09 PM
The way we play will always show poor stats in all aspects of our game I think, it's off the ball stuff, bringing others into the game etc which shows how valuable he is to us, I can't think of any other striker who we could attract in the premier league who would do a better job than Rondon

Thing is, most of our players don't have poor stats. In fact they regularly make it into the team of the week. All I see is people trying to belittle these stats and justify Rondon's poor stats by blaming the rest of the team. Still no one providing actual reasons why he is very good? Doesn't matter who we can/can't attract, I'm asking why he is very good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 02, 2017, 09:42:55 PM
Just for interest, here's the players with the best aerial dual stats in the league:

1.   Christian Benteke   Crystal Palace   
2.   Sam Vokes   Burnley   
3.   Troy Deeney   Watford   
4.   Ãlvaro Negredo   Middlesbrough   
5.   Peter Crouch   Stoke City   
6.   Fernando Llorente   Swansea City   
7.   Andy Carroll   West Ham United   
8.   Michael Keane   Burnley   
9.   Steve Cook   Bournemouth   
9.   Virgil van Dijk   Southampton   
11.   Craig Dawson   West Bromwich Albion   
12.   Ryan Shawcross   Stoke City   
13.   Romelu Lukaku   Everton   
13.   Ben Mee   Burnley   
15.   Laurent Koscielny   Arsenal   
16.   Nicolás Otamendi   Manchester City   
17.   Gareth McAuley   West Bromwich Albion   
17.   Jan Vertonghen   Tottenham Hotspur   
19.   Simon Francis   Bournemouth   
20.   Paul Pogba   Manchester United   

Granted most are defenders, but there are a few strikers on there, especially near the top. Good to see Daws and McAuley there too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 02, 2017, 10:05:22 PM
Are there stats on involvement in the game ? Rondon does more than any of the strikers on that list. You just wouldn't see Benteke putting himself about as consistently or as much as Rondon. Benteke is number one on that list but it hasn't done his team a lot of good.
There isn't a stat as far as I know that reflects how a players role for the team affects the ability of the players around him to do their job.....maybe the league table itself provides that stat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 02, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
Someone has watched/read Moneyball a few too many times...


As was ever thus, football is not played on paper.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on March 02, 2017, 11:24:41 PM
Can you get me the stats on how many times he chests it down, shields it from the defender and lays it off to a team mate? How many times he is involved in an attacking move that leads to a goal? How many times he gets us up the pitch late on in the game when we are holding on for 3 points?

If people spent as much time watching the game as they do checking stats then they may see the importance of Rondon to the way we play.

We're 8th, does anyone honestly believe we'd be higher in the league or have more points if we had a striker from any of the teams below us?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 07:40:42 AM
I see stats are a touchy subject...

Funny you quote we are 8th, which is a stat  ::) Tell me stats are pointless, and then ask for more stats? Confused.

Anyway. I've never read or watched moneyball. As I said was just backing my opinion up with some facts. If I'm honest, I only brought the stats up because I was getting tired of people telling me how good he has been playing, and then quoting immeasurable things as reasons why.

I still see no facts from anyone else? Just a load of defensive posts aimed at someone who dares to be critical. How about one of you guys defending him goes and finds/counts how many times he chests the ball down? (suspect it's similar to his aerial dual stats, since it's an aerial dual..). I've provided his passing stats which are one of the poorest in our team (so he obviously doesn't lay it of to his team mate successfully a lot).

I honestly can't remember many times that he's got up the pitch late when we're hanging on. He's usually knackered or has been subbed off.

Again, I'm just giving my opinion that he isn't as good as people think and that he had a poor game in our last match. 8th has nothing to do with it. I'm not moaning about our league position, just saying that he's far from the best player in our team. By that rhetoric, Olsson has had a very good season because we're 8th.

This website will probably wind everyone up: http://www.squawka.com/players/salomon-rondon/stats#performance-score#west-bromwich-albion-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2016/2017#641#all-matches#1-15#by-match
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on March 03, 2017, 08:31:33 AM
Does make me laugh how people choose which stats they pay atttention to...also when pundits slate us it's 'what do they know they've never watched us' yet when the same journalist or media outlet praises us 'yeah I've always had time for him talks a lot of sense!'
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 03, 2017, 08:41:04 AM
Stats are not pointless, certain stats are relatively pointless, most goals scored with headers for instance tells you that a team poses a threat in that area, doesn't tell the full story, but if that is added to most goals from corners and set pieces, that definitely does give a picture of a teams strength.

The stat that causes most derision/discussion is the possession stat, it tends to suggest a teams dominance, but in truth, it often gives a very misleading picture. If that stat is added to most goals in open play, you then know it will refer to a team such as Man City or Arsenal where as the possession stat alone may refer to Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 08:52:07 AM
I think the stats I've posted are all relevant and all tell a story. As mentioned, ones such as possession are different as we've proved this season, but to try to discount headers won, passing success, shots, goals, dual won etc.. They are all attributes that a good focal-point, lone-striker should be excelling at.

Anyway, I can see that I'm fighting a losing battle, just wanted to put my opinion across. I know this opinion is shared with a number of other fans, especially those that sit around me, and also some on here. Forget the stats for a minute, they were just used to support my argument. I genuinely believe Rondon has done a good job for us this season, and we'd be pressed to find similar for the same price, however I think he needs to improve the following parts of his game:

- Aerial duals and strength against defenders
- First touch
- Finishing

I think if he works on those 3 aspects of his game, we've got a very good all-round focal point to our attack. As it stands at the moment, I personally think he struggles in these areas and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 03, 2017, 09:08:00 AM
I think the stats I've posted are all relevant and all tell a story. As mentioned, ones such as possession are different as we've proved this season, but to try to discount headers won, passing success, shots, goals, dual won etc.. They are all attributes that a good focal-point, lone-striker should be excelling at.

Anyway, I can see that I'm fighting a losing battle, just wanted to put my opinion across. I know this opinion is shared with a number of other fans, especially those that sit around me, and also some on here. Forget the stats for a minute, they were just used to support my argument. I genuinely believe Rondon has done a good job for us this season, and we'd be pressed to find similar for the same price, however I think he needs to improve the following parts of his game:

- Aerial duals and strength against defenders
- First touch
- Finishing

I think if he works on those 3 aspects of his game, we've got a very good all-round focal point to our attack. As it stands at the moment, I personally think he struggles in these areas and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

One thing I would say re the aerial duel stat, if he were to win a flick on, which would count as an aerial duel won, it would mostly be pointless, because as he is almost always the furthest player forward, with no one running on to it, it would just be a loss of possession, mostly, Rondon has to gather the ball in and hold it up and lay it off, that is far harder and therefor has a lower success rate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on March 03, 2017, 09:36:43 AM
What Pulis has said this morning is very relevant to the debate above. Has said his movement pulls players around, opens teams up and to ask other players who creates the chances and they'll say him. He also said the stats won't reflect how much he contributes. I'm paraphrasing but i thought it'd be interesting to add to the debate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 03, 2017, 10:14:42 AM
What Pulis has said this morning is very relevant to the debate above. Has said his movement pulls players around, opens teams up and to ask other players who creates the chances and they'll say him. He also said the stats won't reflect how much he contributes. I'm paraphrasing but i thought it'd be interesting to add to the debate.

I heard what he said and would like to add how do you measure as a statistic creating space for others, holding the line, working the channels, holding the ball up for a lay off. Just because it's not a statistic does not mean it's not a valuable contribution. Much of the work above would appear as distance covered I guess.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 03, 2017, 10:17:03 AM
From what I see Rondon is a top class player.

What he does off the ball is massively important to how we play and where we are in the league.

He is the focal point of the team, against Bournemouth I didnt he think he had his best games but as soon as I said that his final 15 minutes were excellent where he carried the ball forward, chased balls down the channels and held it up.

I know people are entitled to their opinions but for me if you dont think Rondon is a good player or hugely important to the team then I cant take that opinion too seriously.

I dont really look at stats, I watch the player in-game and what ive seen from the lad makes me think he is an excellent player
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 03, 2017, 10:22:35 AM
I've not read a single post where anyone has said Rondon isn't any good but that there are areas to his game where he needs to improve to be the great player a lot on here think he already is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 03, 2017, 10:40:42 AM
I've not read a single post where anyone has said Rondon isn't any good but that there are areas to his game where he needs to improve to be the great player a lot on here think he already is.

Of course he needs to improve, every player does

And yes I think he is a GREAT player already
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on March 03, 2017, 11:18:46 AM
If Rondon could trap a bag of cement and scored an extra 8-10 goals a season he wouldn't be playing for us.... he's as good as we are going to get I think
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 03, 2017, 11:26:00 AM
For me he is a great player outside the top 7 teams there is not a striker I would swap him for of the 7 teams above us they all have strikers who are better than great  ie COSTA,KANE, AGUERUO, SANCHEZ,IBRA,LUKARKU and pool don`t play with a striker but Mane is bloody good that is not a bad crowd to be behind AS for the teams below us would not swap him for any of them as they couldn`t play to the way we are set up Rondon is integral to our style of play
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: danwatson on March 03, 2017, 11:30:42 AM
As a striker I'd say Rondon's style of play is similar to someone like Costa (not saying he is anywhere near that standard). They both are 'target men' but not of the static kind like Llorente but instead run the channels and give the defenders no time.

Costa aerial duels won this season is just 25%. People rave about Costa's contribution to the way Chelsea play and how his pressing and strength are vital to letting other players play their game. I wouldn't imagine Chelsea fans are quoting his aerial duels won saying it's not good enough.

Rondon's main issue is he just needs to get on the end of a few more things in and around the area and then I don't think we have this discussion about his all round game..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 03, 2017, 11:32:48 AM
Of course he needs to improve, every player does

And yes I think he is a GREAT player already

yes every player needs to improve but by how much? Matt phillips for example doesn't need to improve that much, perhaps more consistency with his crosses/dead ball delivery (if i'm being picky).

For me Rondon needs to improve on holding the ball up, winning his duels with opposition defenders (one will lead to the other), shooting on target and goal scoring (again the one will lead to the other). I'd add staying on his feet as I think sometimes he goes down far too easily for someone of his size, but I do accept that he is fouled on a fairly regular basis (usually without the ref giving the foul) and that is obviously frustrating for him.

I like him and wouldn't want him replaced, I just want him to be better. I want to think that when he is bearing down on goal the ball will end up in the net rather than behind it.

If Rondon could trap a bag of cement and scored an extra 8-10 goals a season he wouldn't be playing for us.... he's as good as we are going to get I think

I'm not expecting another 8-10 goals a season more like 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on March 03, 2017, 12:38:00 PM
 Hull Baggie says " I like him and wouldn't want him replaced, I just want him to be better"

That statement contains the crux of the problem. Rondon is a likeable character, so some people won't tolerate any criticism of him even though they can see his shortcomings.  I can't see him getting better, at his age he is what he is, he's not going to be transformed into a striker that scores  a lot more  or improves radically at all the rest of the things that he needs to be better at. That being the case it is illogical not to want a replacement. If we are to sign a striker in the summer I hope it is a number 1, not a back-up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on March 03, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
Iv been thinking to myself with Palace coming up who I would rather have upfront at the moment Rondon or Benteke?. For me Rondon does the little things that Benteke doesn't do such as running the line, defending from the front that makes us a better team. I think individually Benteke is probably a better player but I'd take the guy who makes us a better team every day over the better individual.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 03, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
Hull Baggie says " I like him and wouldn't want him replaced, I just want him to be better"

That statement contains the crux of the problem. Rondon is a likeable character, so some people won't tolerate any criticism of him even though they can see his shortcomings.  I can't see him getting better, at his age he is what he is, he's not going to be transformed into a striker that scores  a lot more  or improves radically at all the rest of the things that he needs to be better at. That being the case it is illogical not to want a replacement. If we are to sign a striker in the summer I hope it is a number 1, not a back-up.

For me he doesn't have to score a lot more or radically improve, just score more and improve on the other things which are surely within his abilities. That's why I don't think we need to replace him.
We do need another striker or two in the summer, one to rival Rondon for a starting place but with a different style of play and one as a back up along with Robson-Kanu.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
yes every player needs to improve but by how much? Matt phillips for example doesn't need to improve that much, perhaps more consistency with his crosses/dead ball delivery (if i'm being picky).

For me Rondon needs to improve on holding the ball up, winning his duels with opposition defenders (one will lead to the other), shooting on target and goal scoring (again the one will lead to the other). I'd add staying on his feet as I think sometimes he goes down far too easily for someone of his size, but I do accept that he is fouled on a fairly regular basis (usually without the ref giving the foul) and that is obviously frustrating for him.

I like him and wouldn't want him replaced, I just want him to be better. I want to think that when he is bearing down on goal the ball will end up in the net rather than behind it.

I'm not expecting another 8-10 goals a season more like 5 or 6.

This. And this is exactly what a lot of others around me at games have said too, so I know I'm not the only one seeing it.

As I said earlier I'm not denying that he's been a good part of what we've done so far, but the three areas I mentioned above have to be improved.

- Finishing - I can't say I'm confident whenever he's bearing down on goal that he'll score. He also doesn't seem to want to take penalties either, so could be that he isn't confident himself with finishing. Either way, working on this in training and over the summer is a must for me.
- Strength and aerial battles - I agree that he is often marked heavily and fouled, but surely he must practice this day in day out. As we've alluded to it's a massive part of his and our game, all too often the battle is lost and the ball comes straight back, usually with either Rondon on the floor, or walking back slowly out of the game. I appreciate it must be frustrating for him, but we often win the ball back and Rondon is offside still. Someone quoted Costa's aerial stats. Bit of a sily comparison as he also puts the ball in the net regularly to make up for this.
- First touch - again vital to his and our game. Again I appreciate that the balls into him aren't always perfect, but we surely must practice this every day in training with him? He must know that the ball is likely to find him after being cleared by us, and that it his first touch is very important in determining what happens next. The last few games in particular everything has seemed to bounce off Rondon.


Like I said, I've got nothing against the guy, I don't envy his job, but working on a couple of the areas I've mentioned and he would be a much more complete player for me. Everyone may not agree with the stats, but they are there, and they are what they are for a reason. A bit more work in those areas and we'll soon see them increase.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 03, 2017, 01:11:53 PM
What Pulis has said this morning is very relevant to the debate above. Has said his movement pulls players around, opens teams up and to ask other players who creates the chances and they'll say him. He also said the stats won't reflect how much he contributes. I'm paraphrasing but i thought it'd be interesting to add to the debate.
Absolutely - that's why we don't need to back Rondon up with stats because there are many facets of the game that can't be calculated. Ask Shawcross if he enjoyed his afternoon against us the other week, and was it one of his easier afternoons ? Ask the Leicester CBs the same question. Think I know the answer and it will be down to Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 01:25:02 PM
Absolutely - that's why we don't need to back Rondon up with stats because there are many facets of the game that can't be calculated. Ask Shawcross if he enjoyed his afternoon against us the other week, and was it one of his easier afternoons ? Ask the Leicester CBs the same question. Think I know the answer and it will be down to Rondon.

I'm sorry but I see that as declining to look at the stats because they're negative. I bet if he'd have scored 17 goals and I started saying he wasn't winning enough headers or passing well enough, I'd have his goal stat thrown at me..

I fully appreciate that there may be more to his game that we can't calculate (that's the question I've been asking to everyone, to tell me what these were), but ignoring stats such as his aerial dual rate, goal and passing stats because they are poor is silly.

Also, would you be able to tell me why these centre backs wouldn't have enjoyed their time against him. Obviously the stats I posted show the opposite, so would genuinely be interested to see what non-measurable things helped his performance against them
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 03, 2017, 01:43:44 PM
Bloody hell Brom, you must have an awful lot of spare time in (Ed:) on your hands  :P  ;) .

Just been looking through some of those stats and links on Rondon. I state some because, interesting though I'm sure the rest of them must have been, I really don't have it in me to look through them all.

And when you think about it you've come around to state that you like him but he needs to improve certain aspects of his game. Something which has been acknowledged on a variety of occasions even by his supporters.

Cheers all the same though,  ;) .

Must be an absolute blast listening to you and those around you whinge about his shortcomings at games  :P :P  ;) .

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 03, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
Glad I don`t sit by him with all around him blasting out stats they can`t see much of the match ;) ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 03, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
The stats are only really significant if compared to HRK rather than other premiership strikers as every team has a different squad and tactical set up

But HRK hasn't played anywhere near enough football for us to build up any kind of worthwhile sample size.

If and when HRK plays 50 games for us and has a better pass completion % and arial duel won/loss etc statistics than Rondon then fair enough.

Until that happens i'm not prepared to read too much into it one way or the other.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 03, 2017, 02:29:36 PM
yes every player needs to improve but by how much? Matt phillips for example doesn't need to improve that much, perhaps more consistency with his crosses/dead ball delivery (if i'm being picky).

For me Rondon needs to improve on holding the ball up, winning his duels with opposition defenders (one will lead to the other), shooting on target and goal scoring (again the one will lead to the other). I'd add staying on his feet as I think sometimes he goes down far too easily for someone of his size, but I do accept that he is fouled on a fairly regular basis (usually without the ref giving the foul) and that is obviously frustrating for him.

I like him and wouldn't want him replaced, I just want him to be better. I want to think that when he is bearing down on goal the ball will end up in the net rather than behind it.

I'm not expecting another 8-10 goals a season more like 5 or 6.

I think players like Matt Phillips would think they need to improve constantly. Even Messi and Ronaldo need to improve and they do constantly.

I agree that I would like more goals from Rondon, its what all strikers are judged on in the end but his general all round play is as good as anyone else for me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboyfred on March 03, 2017, 02:34:04 PM
S R is what he is, works hard most of the game, touch not always the best, and he appears to find netting very difficult , as I might add do a number of other premiership strikers, especially some of our transfer targets,
But the bottom line is the team are sitting in eighth place with every prospect of finishing with a record premiership points total for us, so yes he could certainly do with improving his first touch and definitely increase his goals scored column, but until we can discover or get the likes of a Costa, Aguerro  Kane etc  to come and play for us then I for one will say well done Mr Rondom if you as  the lone striker playing for a team in 8th place then you must be doing something right and certainly making a valid contribution to the team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 03, 2017, 02:38:30 PM
I'm sorry but I see that as declining to look at the stats because they're negative. I bet if he'd have scored 17 goals and I started saying he wasn't winning enough headers or passing well enough, I'd have his goal stat thrown at me..

I fully appreciate that there may be more to his game that we can't calculate (that's the question I've been asking to everyone, to tell me what these were), but ignoring stats such as his aerial dual rate, goal and passing stats because they are poor is silly.

Also, would you be able to tell me why these centre backs wouldn't have enjoyed their time against him. Obviously the stats I posted show the opposite, so would genuinely be interested to see what non-measurable things helped his performance against them
I'm not avoiding the stats, I said at an early stage that they don't give an accurate picture of just how much Rondon does for us. What does he do that can't be measured ?
He makes runs to pull defenders around and makes space for others.
He provides an outball for any midfielders or defenders who can't see anyone else looking for the ball (because he does)
He's a workhorse (and there's nothing wrong with that - it works for our team). Compare how much he does in the game compared to similar players....Slimani, Benteke,Crouch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 03, 2017, 02:52:08 PM

Oh God. 


2nd touch is a tackle.  - Has a great work ethic, works hard to win the ball back
Cannot hold up the ball. - was said of bully (the dingle tatter tw@t), the ball was often in the back of the net
Doesn't bring others into play.  No, because he starts isolated 30 yards away and the gap widens because he is so quick.
Poor finisher. Meh, your opinion
Poor passer.  ditto meh!
Cheat.  ttell me the name of another premier league player who isnt
Over 1 in 4 record despite a Championship season boosting stats. see rondon argument discussion strikers do more than score

You clearly have an agenda, you either "love em" - viz Brunty, or "hate em", Suggest you start following the middle path a little
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 02:56:55 PM
I'm not avoiding the stats, I said at an early stage that they don't give an accurate picture of just how much Rondon does for us. What does he do that can't be measured ?
He makes runs to pull defenders around and makes space for others.
He provides an outball for any midfielders or defenders who can't see anyone else looking for the ball (because he does)
He's a workhorse (and there's nothing wrong with that - it works for our team). Compare how much he does in the game compared to similar players....Slimani, Benteke,Crouch.

Thanks for explaining those additional attributes. I was genuinely interested as no one else had given me any, hence thew reliance on the stats that I found. My stats may not give a complete picture, but they are accurate, and as I stated they are what they are for a reason.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 02:57:23 PM
You clearly have an agenda, you either "love em" - viz Brunty, or "hate em", Suggest you start following the middle path a little

Thought that post you quoted was about Rondon to be honest!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 03, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
Thought that post you quoted was about Rondon to be honest!
I'm on a bit of a wind up mission (don't tell jacko)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 03, 2017, 03:01:19 PM
I'm on a bit of a wind up mission (don't tell jacko)

Haha. It's funny, all of those negatives that were posted about Long, I feel Rondon needs to improve on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 03, 2017, 07:47:51 PM
The difficulty with stats when comparing players is that they don't consider that it is essentially a team game. Rondon's statistics are based on the service that he receives from the players who are around him and as those players are different to those who played with Long or play with Costa then true comparisons can not be made. The quality of ball played to Costa is likely to be better and therefore he should win more ball. The question when comparing Costa to Rondon, which can only really be a matter of opinion, is would Rondon win more or less than Costa with the same players providing the delivery?
From what I have seen, my opinion is, Rondon is as good a fit into the Pulis style of play that we can realistically get at this time. His game could be improved but so could most people's.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 03, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
The difficulty with stats when comparing players is that they don't consider that it is essentially a team game. Rondon's statistics are based on the service that he receives from the players who are around him and as those players are different to those who played with Long or play with Costa then true comparisons can not be made. The quality of ball played to Costa is likely to be better and therefore he should win more ball. The question when comparing Costa to Rondon, which can only really be a matter of opinion, is would Rondon win more or less than Costa with the same players providing the delivery?
From what I have seen, my opinion is, Rondon is as good a fit into the Pulis style of play that we can realistically get at this time. His game could be improved but so could most people's.
Absolutely. When you compare our team stats, possession, passes completed, successful dribbles etc, no way should we be 8th. There are numerous posts on here trying to explain all the good work that Rondon does for the team if  people (Brom in particular) would bother to read them. Match results often defy stats, and so do performances. The opposite side of the aargument is to ask who might realistically be better for us than Rondon, and this is usually met with silence from his critics. The only suggestions I have seen are Shane Long and Chris Wood, and no way should either of these even be mentioned in the same breath as Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on March 04, 2017, 01:42:55 AM
So what we've agreed on is that Rondon is good but could be better? Surely that goes for every good player we have and ever will have until we've got the full FIFPro XI?

Yet to see a single suggestion of a striker we could sign who would do better than Rondon, someone throw out some names because I'm genuinely interested.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 04, 2017, 02:01:33 AM
Absolutely. When you compare our team stats, possession, passes completed, successful dribbles etc, no way should we be 8th. There are numerous posts on here trying to explain all the good work that Rondon does for the team if  people (Brom in particular) would bother to read them. Match results often defy stats, and so do performances. The opposite side of the aargument is to ask who might realistically be better for us than Rondon, and this is usually met with silence from his critics. The only suggestions I have seen are Shane Long and Chris Wood, and no way should either of these even be mentioned in the same breath as Rondon.

I'm not the only person who thinks he needs to improve.. Not sure what everyone suddenly has against stats. Was just giving an opinion.. Like I said he's done a good job but needs to improve in certain areas.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 04, 2017, 07:52:17 AM
I'm not the only person who thinks he needs to improve.. Not sure what everyone suddenly has against stats. Was just giving an opinion.. Like I said he's done a good job but needs to improve in certain areas.

Yes he could be better but the one thing he won't do is improve this season and next is probably peak Rondon In general football people don't like stats particularly ones that challenge their view of the game and as soon there is an outlier they point to it as proof that all stats are bunkum. When actually they often point to trends and underlying issues which are masked by variance.

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 04, 2017, 09:40:36 AM
I'm not the only person who thinks he needs to improve.. Not sure what everyone suddenly has against stats. Was just giving an opinion.. Like I said he's done a good job but needs to improve in certain areas.

Hiya.

I don't have a problem with stats.
Can't really argue with numbers/figures on a page per say.

However, interpretations of said numbers/figures can be ambiguous, as exampled by a variety of posters on this thread. As Standaman suggests, such ambiguity is largely the result of variance beyond the numbers themselves.

Examples highlighted could include:
1. Movement off the ball
2. Number of players in support
3. Quality of ball
4. Team tactics and set up (how many opposition players is Rondon up against as opposed to the number of defenders faced by other forwards and supporting players)
5. Decisions (or otherwise) made by officials
6. Even the bloody weather can affect a players ability to judge and control a ball
7. There are many more variables, one of which you would (maybe/probably) suggest being player technique

Statistics are a useful tool.
But when relied upon in isolation they are meaningless.
An example of this would be last night's game between Blues and Leeds.
Blues had by far and away the most opportunities with 27-10, yet both sides had the same amount on target.
Unfortunately for Blues the chances afforded to the Leeds players were of a higher quality and converted in greater frequency.

I genuinely understand, appreciate and agree with many of the points you make as do others.
Equally I understand that reliance on quantitative analysis is of little use in isolation when there are so many variables.

What I don't understand is how you can suggest others have paid little/no attention to Rondon's stats based potential weaknesses, they are highlighted in this 70 odd page thread. As I suggested yesterday, you appear to have embarked on a statistical crusade which actually proves very little beyond your thirst for number crunching.

We know he has weaknesses to his game yet we are perhaps more appreciative of his efforts than are you. By stating this I am not suggesting it's your intention to deride or undermine Rondon. I know that you would be as delighted as I were he to control every ball which comes his way and convert every chance; but it's never going to happen.

Chap, relax.
By acknowledging his weaknesses and embracing his strengths you offer a balanced view.
By paying so much attention to numbers does him and yourself a disservice.

All of the best and I hope you enjoy today's game.
COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 04, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
Don't see how anyone could argue with this, Dan. Excellent, well balanced post.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 04, 2017, 04:57:52 PM
He was on his own again today.
No support from the midfield...Just the occasional hoofball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on March 04, 2017, 04:59:45 PM
He was on his own again today.
No support from the midfield...Just the occasional hoofball.

HRK was a lot more involved in the game when he came on and has always showed better movement than Rondon. Cant blame it all on the teammates.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 04, 2017, 05:05:48 PM
He was on his own again today.
No support from the midfield...Just the occasional hoofball.

We were totally rubbish today, a harking back to the days of "a draw will do". 1 shot on target and poor Rondon made to fight an entire defense on his own.

Man i hope that wasn't it for our season. I'm genuinely surprised and disappointed in the team.

Rondon is still a very high quality player for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 04, 2017, 05:09:30 PM
Totally isolated. Not sure what else he could have done, also Sakho was man of the match.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2017, 05:11:32 PM
Totally isolated. Not sure what else he could have done, also Sakho was man of the match.
Not to mention the poor passing in his direction 99% of Today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on March 04, 2017, 05:12:06 PM
HRK was a lot more involved in the game when he came on and has always showed better movement than Rondon. Cant blame it all on the teammates.

HRK looks to be more involved because he often has support from Rondon when both are on the field and the team shape is often different for the last 30 when he comes on. He is not a better player than Rondon  - he is a different sort of player
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on March 04, 2017, 05:35:48 PM
Not to mention the poor passing in his direction 99% of Today.
what passing  >:(? pure hoofball mostly, Rondon needed wings to have any chance of getting at those balls we pumped clear today. he would have had frostbite of the forehead at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2017, 05:42:04 PM
what passing  >:(? pure hoofball mostly, Rondon needed wings to have any chance of getting at those balls we pumped clear today. he would have had frostbite of the forehead at the end of the game.
Yeah i meant that , i find it hard to knock him with service and support like today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 04, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
Very isolated today and showed some nice touches. Did seem to win more headers than usual too.

However, as someone stated on this topic before, strikers are made and judged by those little moments that change the game. When the ball fell kindly to him and he took a poor first touch in their area shows why I said this needs to improve.

Forget the stats, a better touch there and we have a serious goal chance. Other than that we didn't offer anything going forward today at all. Obviously not solely Rondon's fault though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 04, 2017, 07:22:54 PM
He is supposed to be a striker no shots or headers on target, couldn't control the ball rubbish in the air bad positional sense and goes down like a ballerina on ice. Apart from that not to bad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 04, 2017, 07:42:02 PM
Hate it when we lose because the blame game starts just a bad day at the office leave of Solomon they were all rubbish barring Foster
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on March 04, 2017, 08:01:24 PM
He looked totally shot of any confidence today and really could do with a few games out of the firing line BUT we have no serious alternatives up front.
Mind you his support was no existent today from the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on March 04, 2017, 08:13:49 PM
He is supposed to be a striker no shots or headers on target, couldn't control the ball rubbish in the air bad positional sense and goes down like a ballerina on ice. Apart from that not to bad.

Another ridiculous post. How is he meant to shoot or head the ball on target when he didn't get the ball within 20 yards of goal or have a cross go near him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 04, 2017, 08:40:53 PM
He is supposed to be a striker no shots or headers on target, couldn't control the ball rubbish in the air bad positional sense and goes down like a ballerina on ice. Apart from that not to bad.
Shane Long, on the other hand, would have thrived on the service provided today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 04, 2017, 11:35:56 PM
Shane Long, on the other hand, would have thrived on the service provided today.
Ha,ha pathetic just like Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 04, 2017, 11:39:54 PM
Another ridiculous post. How is he meant to shoot or head the ball on target when he didn't get the ball within 20 yards of goal or have a cross go near him?
Yes he did get the service but he did nothing with it you must have been watching a different game to me. How many games is that now without a goal?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 04, 2017, 11:44:52 PM
Like most of the team he didn't look totally up for it today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 05, 2017, 12:10:01 AM
Great /good Albion no 9s, forwards, strikers
Ronnie Allen
Jeff Astle
Cyrille Regis
Bob Taylor
Andy Hunt and for is time here Peter Odemwingie.
 not so good no9s,forwards,strikers
John Thomas
Paul Williams
Luke Moore
Stuart Evans
Brown Ideye and Solaman Rondon!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 05, 2017, 01:04:47 AM
Yes wasn't his best game and he did very little but as did every single man in a blue and white striped shirt. Big Sam set up perfectly to stop us and it did just that. Also for the first time for a long while pulis starting line up and subs were like the days of old.

Think if Brunt had played left side and chadli through the middle we would have had a better outcome. No width no tempo which saw us lump it to rondon. Yes he didn't control much but he had no real chance as there was no service movement and it was all so predictable.

Needs a rest his confidence is shot
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 05, 2017, 07:12:16 AM
Yesterday Rondon had more touches of the ball in his own box than he did in the opposition box. The lack of support and service was appalling there isn't a Centre Forward on this Earth that would look good in those circumstances.

That said it still wasn't the best of performances and in an ideal world we would at least be able to rotate him out of the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 05, 2017, 12:18:29 PM
Very isolated today and showed some nice touches. Did seem to win more headers than usual too.

However, as someone stated on this topic before, strikers are made and judged by those little moments that change the game. When the ball fell kindly to him and he took a poor first touch in their area shows why I said this needs to improve.

Forget the stats, a better touch there and we have a serious goal chance. Other than that we didn't offer anything going forward today at all. Obviously not solely Rondon's fault though.

Okey dokey, noted and will do  :)  ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 05, 2017, 12:24:23 PM
Yesterday Rondon had more touches of the ball in his own box than he did in the opposition box. The lack of support and service was appalling there isn't a Centre Forward on this Earth that would look good in those circumstances.

That said it still wasn't the best of performances and in an ideal world we would at least be able to rotate him out of the team.

Fully agreed on both points.

He would have felt like sherpa Tenzing after jumping for those high balls while carrying their back four on his back for 90+ minutes.

As stated by Dexy, he must have had frost bite of the forehead at the final whistle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 05, 2017, 12:43:06 PM
ALBION 59 was at another match to me yes Rondon was rubbish like the rest of the side but as for service there was non, we had no width no crosses no corner`s  so how on earth did he get service 59 just hate`s Rondon with a passion and no matter how well he plays he wont have a good word for him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 05, 2017, 01:57:40 PM
Boys

Lets do it like grown adults...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 05, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
He was rubbish the weekend like a good few, such negative tactics, one attempt on target al match, fecking awful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 06, 2017, 09:52:07 AM
I'm a big Rondon fan, but he was poor at the weekend, as were they all, I certainly wouldn't single him out as being any worse than the rest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
I'm a big Rondon fan, but he was poor at the weekend, as were they all, I certainly wouldn't single him out as being any worse than the rest.

I don't see what a lot of others see in him but agree he shouldn't be singled out in a very poor team performance. I would say that he had no need to go down when challenged by Cabaye and could maybe have got a shot off if he'd have stayed on his feet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 06, 2017, 10:14:31 AM
I don't see what a lot of others see in him but agree he shouldn't be singled out in a very poor team performance. I would say that he had no need to go down when challenged by Cabaye and could maybe have got a shot off if he'd have stayed on his feet.

Agreed on that one, it did annoy me that his first thought was to go down as opposed to going for goal.

Not the match thread I know, but I am still livid after Saturday. I never leave early but I was that frustrated with the performance that I felt I had to on Saturday; it has been a good few months since I have seen such a lack of effort and endeavour from us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on March 06, 2017, 11:46:48 AM
I like Rondon but his dive was pathetic. Wonder if 'Tone' will banish him to the under 23,s as he has such strong views on cheating.... apparently.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 06, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
I like Rondon but his dive was pathetic. Wonder if 'Tone' will banish him to the under 23,s as he has such strong views on cheating.... apparently.

I was comparing it a bit to Zaha during the game. Almost identical position, both cut inside, Zaha looked for the chance on goal (albeit was outmuscled and didn't get his shot off) whereas Rondon looked to go down. I think there's a confidence issue, where he doesn't feel confident in having a shot and thought it might have been more beneficial trying to 'win' a penalty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on March 06, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
I don't see what a lot of others see in him but agree he shouldn't be singled out in a very poor team performance. I would say that he had no need to go down when challenged by Cabaye and could maybe have got a shot off if he'd have stayed on his feet.

I agree, I also don't see what many others see in him, on the whole, in my opinion, I don't think he is much, if any, of an improvement on Brown Ideye. I agree again that he shouldn't be singled out though for Saturday, everyone was poor. The highlighted sentence is probably the very reason why he went down! He isn't exactly clinical with the ball at his feet is he and I doubt whether he would have fancied his own chances much of getting a shot in let alone finding the back of the net with it.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 06, 2017, 05:01:08 PM
I know why Rondon was so rubbish on Saturday he was carrying to much WEIGHT he had all you Rondon critic`s on his back give him some slack they were all rubbish on Saturday except for him and Leko no one else is copping out
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 06, 2017, 05:08:52 PM
I think he looks absolutely bloody knackered and is obviously short on confidence too.
Still think hes up there in the best strikers weve had in the premiership, odemwingie would struggle with the service he gets and what hes expected to do with link ups and chasing the ball. Lukaku is just a better player than him.

Hopefully the grumbles stay on the messageboard where it belongs, rather than at the match because getting on the back of a out of form player is the worst thing you can do, especially when we have no other options.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2017, 06:35:00 PM
Time to give HRK a start
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 06, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
I know why Rondon was so rubbish on Saturday he was carrying to much WEIGHT he had all you Rondon critic`s on his back give him some slack they were all rubbish on Saturday except for him and Leko no one else is copping out

It's a forum for people to express their opinions. As far as I can tell most of the criticism of him has been constructive.
Dawson, Brunt, Morrison & Fletcher etc have all been criticised by other posters for their performances on Saturday not just Rondon and Leko.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 07, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
As I said in my earlier post they were all rubbish on Saturday barring Foster but Rondon,Leko and Brunt are getting the [Excuse the pun ] brunt of the stick when they should`nt be as none played well why should they take the majority of the blame IT should be all for one and one for all
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on March 07, 2017, 07:40:13 PM
you signed a guy who was playing in a much more free-flowing offense where he was mostly asked to be a scorer and turned him into this workhorse forward. Instead of a free-flowing offense that creates spaces for him to score Rondon often finds himself fighting on his own against both CB's, especially since his hat-trick. How many times is he the one heading away opposing corner kicks? Running box-to-box? How many times is he having to come up near midfield to get the ball? How many times does he get the ball with his back to the goal as oppose to with momentum towards the goal?

You run a system that asks him to work tirelessly for 90+ minutes with limited scoring opportunities and kill him if he doesn't convert the few chances he gets. What a thankless job for a forward. I assure you opposing CB's don't look forward to facing him and having to work their butts off the whole game to keep him in check. All of his teammates and coaches (by all accounts) love him, that should tell you a lot.

It amazes me how many still think any forward is going to come in and be this bonafide scorer for WBA. That's now how you're built. That's not how Tony's system works. I understand this after just a couple of seasons following the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stoxman on March 08, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
I know that stats don't prove anything but it might be worth looking at Rondon (who some doubt) v Odemwingie (who everyone agrees was great):

In Russia:

Rondon scored 20/37 games.  (goal every 1.85 games)
Odemwingie 21/75. (goal every 3.57 games)

In England

Rondon 16/61 (goal every 3.81 games)
Odemwingie 30/87 (goal every 2.9 games)


If stats mean anything, Rondon was the far more prolific striker in Russia and isn't far behind him in England.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 08, 2017, 08:32:11 AM
I know that stats don't prove anything but it might be worth looking at Rondon (who some doubt) v Odemwingie (who everyone agrees was great):

In Russia:

Rondon scored 20/37 games.  (goal every 1.85 games)
Odemwingie 21/75. (goal every 3.57 games)

In England

Rondon 16/61 (goal every 3.81 games)
Odemwingie 30/87 (goal every 2.9 games)


If stats mean anything, Rondon was the far more prolific striker in Russia and isn't far behind him in England.

  15 of Odemwingie's goals came when he was played through the middle (like Rondon) in his first season the other 15 where as a wide player. I'd love Rondon to get to 15 goals a season.

Also I don't think Odemwingie ever went 12 league games without scoring (when he was being picked regularly).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 08, 2017, 09:01:40 AM
Without checking I would imagine PO was provided with more opportunities than Rondon is in this side.

He was also a different type of player, who when tasked as a central striker was not expected to act as a target man/battering ram (Ed: something which he has never been used as prior to joining us).

PO was more rapier like, whereas Rondon's being employed as a bludgeon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 08, 2017, 10:07:16 AM
Without checking I would imagine PO was provided with more opportunities than Rondon is in this side.

He was also a different type of player, who when tasked as a central striker was not expected to act as a target man/battering ram (Ed: something which he has never been used as prior to joining us).

PO was more rapier like, whereas Rondon's being employed as a bludgeon.

Completely agree, it's why comparing players from 2 periods is pointless.

They are totally different types of players. Odemwingie also had the ability to create his own chances something Rondon in my opinion can't/doesn't do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 08, 2017, 12:29:52 PM
Totally isolated. Not sure what else he could have done, also Sakho was man of the match.

i have to say i was AMAZED at how good Sakho was, I thought he was a donkey at scousepool, shows what I know !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2017, 01:45:46 PM
i have to say i was AMAZED at how good Sakho was, I thought he was a donkey at scousepool, shows what I know !


Sakho is a superb defender.


Klopp's biggest mistake to date.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 10, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Due a goal, hopefully gets back on the trail tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on March 11, 2017, 09:39:31 AM
I would start Rondon from the bench today I just think he needs a rest and coming on vs tired legs may help and be a bit refreshing for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 13, 2017, 01:53:12 PM

Sakho is a superb defender.


Klopp's biggest mistake to date.

Have to admit, it did look that way!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 13, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
So we started Rondon from the bench that worked didn`t it 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 13, 2017, 04:29:27 PM
So we started Rondon from the bench that worked didn`t it

I was distinctly unimpressed seeing HRK starting ahead of him at the weekend, as well as the team generally which was painfully negative but I will hold my court on that issue as we are in the Rondon thread.

No matter how off form Rondon is, you cannot justify starting a bang average Championship winger up front ahead of him. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 13, 2017, 04:39:06 PM
For once i am in agreement Nothing against HRK but does`nt look good enough for the Premiership
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2017, 04:41:30 PM
Could have always given HRK an outing on one of the flanks in support of Rondon.

Striker up front with a wide man out wide who likes to move inside and has an eye for a goal.

I wonder if that could actually work  :-X .

No, probably not.

What was I thinking.......?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 13, 2017, 04:47:25 PM
Could have always given HRK an outing on one of the flanks in support of Rondon.

Striker up front with a wide man out wide who likes to move inside and has an eye for a goal.

I wonder if that could actually work  :-X .

No, probably not.

What was I thinking.......?

Anything would have been better than three holding midfielders, McClean and HRK. Awful decision.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2017, 05:02:29 PM
HRK should be given this coming home game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on March 13, 2017, 08:16:43 PM
I'd start Rondon in the next two games and then let HRK start against Watford.

Anything would have been better than three holding midfielders, McClean and HRK. Awful decision.

I dont he picked the wrong starting eleven. We've been trashed against every top side this season with more attacking line ups. If you want to beat teams better than you then you need to play defensively with many "grafters". Thats why we were very good at getting points against the top teams last year. The biggest difference this season is that Chadli and Nyom have been playing. Chadli is luxury player and Nyom is good in 1v1 but thats about it defensively. I think Brunt is the better option. Gardner also played a lot in those games and we've had a much a much better points per game ratio with Gardner than without him against the top teams. You're never going to win against better teams if you're trying to out-score them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 13, 2017, 09:38:52 PM
Agreed we certainly couldn't afford to be lightweight in midfield as Everton had Schneiderlin, Barry, Barkley and Davies.

I also don't think HRK offers enough to be given a run of games. Give him the occasional start to freshen up Rondon but no more than that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on March 13, 2017, 09:40:48 PM
Not starting with either Brunt or Morrison was a bit daft.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 14, 2017, 12:39:02 AM
Agreed we certainly couldn't afford to be lightweight in midfield as Everton had Schneiderlin, Barry, Barkley and Davies.

I also don't think HRK offers enough to be given a run of games. Give him the occasional start to freshen up Rondon but no more than that.

Clearly worked a treat. I'm glad we weren't lightweight in midfield, it certainly paid dividends with the result.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 14, 2017, 01:03:31 AM
I wonder if Everton would be interested in Salomon were Lukaku to reject their final contract offer.

I also wonder what he could do with the kind of close support and movement enjoyed by Romelu.

While I realise they have different strengths they also enjoy similarities, and even if Lukaku does sign, they're going to need another front line striker should they qualify for Europe.

Wonder if Salomon has thought similar..........  :-X .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 14, 2017, 08:42:37 AM
I wonder if Everton would be interested in Salomon were Lukaku to reject their final contract offer.

I also wonder what he could do with the kind of close support and movement enjoyed by Romelu.

While I realise they have different strengths they also enjoy similarities, and even if Lukaku does sign, they're going to need another front line striker should they qualify for Europe.

Wonder if Salomon has thought similar..........  :-X .

I think Everton would be looking for someone of higher quality, especially if Lukaku were to leave.

Salomon might be thinking ..I could earn a fortune in China.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on March 14, 2017, 08:55:52 AM
I think Everton would be looking for someone of higher quality, especially if Lukaku were to leave.

Salomon might be thinking ..I could earn a fortune in China.

Honestly if I were him that's where I'd go (as he isn't a WBA fan like us) and doesn't have the same attachment to the club as we do. I Imagine he could X4 his wages and be set for life. Realistically he won't win anything with us and probably won't get a move to a bigger club as he's not quite good enough (to be a starter anyway).

What I would say about him though is that he needs a genuine partner - HRK isn't good enough to either support him or offer him competition so I do feel sorry for Rondon as with more support he could be looking a lot better than he currently is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 14, 2017, 09:08:59 AM
Honestly if I were him that's where I'd go (as he isn't a WBA fan like us) and doesn't have the same attachment to the club as we do. I Imagine he could X4 his wages and be set for life. Realistically he won't win anything with us and probably won't get a move to a bigger club as he's not quite good enough (to be a starter anyway).

What I would say about him though is that he needs a genuine partner - HRK isn't good enough to either support him or offer him competition so I do feel sorry for Rondon as with more support he could be looking a lot better than he currently is.

Selling him to a Chinese club could be a win win situation: Rondon moves to a club that plays a more suitable style and at a lesser level where he will score for fun and earn a huge salary. We get a silly transfer fee allowing us to buy better quality players more suited to our style of play.

That isn't what I want particularly though. I'd prefer us to add some quality to the team to better support Rondon then we'd see if he is the player a lot of fans think he really is. Some real quality competition for Rondon might also keep him on his toes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 14, 2017, 09:27:40 AM
Selling him to a Chinese club could be a win win situation: Rondon moves to a club that plays a more suitable style and at a lesser level where he will score for fun and earn a huge salary. We get a silly transfer fee allowing us to buy better quality players more suited to our style of play.

That isn't what I want particularly though. I'd prefer us to add some quality to the team to better support Rondon then we'd see if he is the player a lot of fans think he really is. Some real quality competition for Rondon might also keep him on his toes.

Wouldn't mind cashing in if silly money was offered, but I would worry about who we would replace him with due to our policy of going for players who have played in the Premier League. There is a lot of dross around that tick the boxes required for TP to sign them for an inflated price just because of the league they are playing in/have played in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 14, 2017, 09:42:04 AM
It`s ok saying cash in but the thing is ,is there a player out there to replace him The right player would need to have all the attributes of Rondon but hopefully better in front of goal bloody hard to find and the scouts will be looking remember we are looking at an upgrade not a comparison.As TP and the Chairman have said we are looking to improve the Squad not stablise it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 14, 2017, 10:30:00 AM
It`s ok saying cash in but the thing is ,is there a player out there to replace him The right player would need to have all the attributes of Rondon but hopefully better in front of goal bloody hard to find and the scouts will be looking remember we are looking at an upgrade not a comparison.As TP and the Chairman have said we are looking to improve the Squad not stablise it

My point entirely, I do not have faith in us to replace him with anyone who would be a) better or b) value for money.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 14, 2017, 01:08:14 PM
Rondon didn't have any prem experience when we bought him.

I think the wanting Prem experience thing is more for the January window rather than the Summer window especially if you get someone in early enough then they have time to be drilled in the way we will play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 14, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
Rondon didn't have any prem experience when we bought him.

I think the wanting Prem experience thing is more for the January window rather than the Summer window especially if you get someone in early enough then they have time to be drilled in the way we will play.

He remains the one exception, with it being a purchase of opportunity more than else from all that I have ever read on the subject. Rondon aside, the mound for a Pulis signing seems to be that they are 'tried and tested' over here, so I do not see us being particularly exciting with our targets come the summer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 14, 2017, 05:44:07 PM
He remains the one exception, with it being a purchase of opportunity more than else from all that I have ever read on the subject. Rondon aside, the mound for a Pulis signing seems to be that they are 'tried and tested' over here, so I do not see us being particularly exciting with our targets come the summer

Also something to consider is their personality. Watching the interviews and things like the nbc show on us, it seems we have a really good bunch of guys with a good team spirit. Think that's definitely a big factor in who Pulis signs. Rondon does seem to have a good personality and is obviously a popular figure among the team. Compare his personality to the likes of Berahino, Sess, Anichebe etc who Pulis has gotten rid of
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 18, 2017, 03:41:36 PM
Spat his dummy out?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 18, 2017, 03:52:02 PM
Spat his dummy out?

I'd say he was probably frustrated.

I know I bash him a lot on here, but I do feel for him today. Got subbed off after 5 odd mins of the second half, then his replacement scores almost immediately. However does show that his place isn't guaranteed and will hopefully spur him on.

Thought he made a very clever run for his chance in the first half where he faked one way then ran across.

Looks low on confidence and was half running around for a lot of the first half. Hopefully will be hungry to impress next game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on March 18, 2017, 04:05:54 PM
No major complaints today. Thought he was decent overall except for the header in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on March 18, 2017, 04:33:22 PM
As a Rondon critic, I felt sorry for him initially today as he had no clear support in the first half as it looked a flat midfield 5, with Brunt in the center. However, as the game went on, he looked mentally shot. Whether that is simply a lack of confidence, or these personal issues are seriously affecting him, it could be anybody's guess.

For Pulis to take him off around 52 minutes, right after he misses a very presentable opportunity is telling IMO. I do think HRK lacks real quality, but he came on and held the ball up much better and linked the play well. And although it was a fairly easy chance, he took it.

The club seriously needs to start thinking about new strikers next season. The only problem is, there is a real lack of strikers who would fit into our system...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 19, 2017, 11:34:38 AM
Plays his heart out for us, full contribution to the team, I would suggest he is disappointed at being subbed but also with his own performance and his inability to take the chances that come his way.

He just needs a goal to come from somewhere, off his knee, shoulder, shin whatever to give him the confidence he deserves for his hard work ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2017, 12:44:39 PM
Looks like a layer short of confidence and devoid of motivation.
Don't know if he has personal issues or if there are other underlying issues.
Either way they need sorting out sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 19, 2017, 02:37:42 PM
i wouldn't be at all surprised if Ron is carrying an injury.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 19, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
Plays his heart out for us, full contribution to the team, I would suggest he is disappointed at being subbed but also with his own performance and his inability to take the chances that come his way.

He just needs a goal to come from somewhere, off his knee, shoulder, shin whatever to give him the confidence he deserves for his hard work ;)

I personally didn't think he was actually giving 100% yesterday, and I think that on top of the missed chances resulted in him being subbed off. Could have been an injury, but he seemed to be just jogging around looking busy without actually doing much, and I think TP knew we needed more energy on the front line to get the result and put their defence under pressure
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 19, 2017, 04:12:48 PM
Spat his dummy out?

what makes you say that?

He went straight down the tunnel but shook Pulis' hand first, didn't see anything to suggest he was sulking.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on March 20, 2017, 05:08:43 PM
I do criticise Rondon occasionally and at times he really does frustrate (I would still hope for another striker to compete with him pushing HRK to third choice) but I think he did alright against Arsenal.

His movement was good, more like a striker's movement. I.e. for Nyom's bursting run he peeled off the defender very well and was unlucky not to get a goal.

Frustrating for him to be subbed off but I think he's starting to understand how to get into goalscoring positions in the premier league better, in previous leagues he played in he may have never had to do this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on March 20, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
What frustrates me about him that sometimes when he is advanced and the opposition defenders are trying to clear the decks and play their way out of trouble, they will play a pass close to him. Often with a bit of effort they can be cut out, but he just doesn't seem to react to them. He has the pace and I have no doubt he can do it. He just needs to anticipate them a bit more. He is great at closing defenders and goalkeepers, but I do wish he would anticipate sloppy passes a bit more.

Thought he was a little lethargic on Saturday - however I am still a big fan of his. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 20, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
Looks like a layer short of confidence and devoid of motivation.
Don't know if he has personal issues or if there are other underlying issues.
Either way they need sorting out sooner rather than later
I tend to go with this view also the other post regarding not being fully fit (having so few strikers I'm sure TP probably wouldn't broadcast this) - I too wonder if he is struggling with the alleged problems his family face in Venezuela? Isn't he away on International duty this week?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 20, 2017, 09:19:50 PM
I don't think he was bad at all on Saturday. I genuinely think Pulis has been done HRK a favour the last couple of weeks by giving him game time ahead of the internationals. HRK by all account has kept working hard and doing well in training without any grumbles. Think it's a combination of doing HRK a favour while giving Rondon a bit of a break. As it happens HRK did so well Saturday after coming on he suggested he could become genuine competition to Rondon. I do expect though that Rondon will remain No 1 at least depending on who may come in during the summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on March 21, 2017, 12:42:01 AM
Should he of scored the header in the second half right before he got taken off?..... looks shot of confidence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 21, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
Should he of scored the header in the second half right before he got taken off?..... looks shot of confidence.

Don't know about scoring but should have got it on target. Same with his shot across goal in the first half, it went out of play on the 6 yard line, yet when Fletcher had a very similar chance; Cech had to make a very good save.

Very rarely does he get anything on target.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wobbs68 on March 21, 2017, 09:37:29 AM
Whilst Rondon is usually good in the air and can hold the ball up his overall game on the deck isn't good enough at this level in my opinion and his shooting isn't clinical enough.  For me this is an area we need to upgrade with two quality strikers in the summer if we want to progress. Realistically we will only get one (due to cost and interest in joining us).

After having several good strikers we've had some very average ones since Odemwingie and Lukaku so we are going to have to risk going with an untried unknown or ageing striker at the end of their career for a quick fix.  Interesting article about Defoe and his England hunger again and what he'd need to do if Sunderland were relegated.  Would you take him for a season whilst we scout for a longer term replacement?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on March 21, 2017, 10:32:50 AM
Is my opinion on Rondon changing  No but I think there is more going on in his Personal life than we are led to believe
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 21, 2017, 12:02:26 PM
Should he of scored the header in the second half right before he got taken off?..... looks shot of confidence.

Both he and to some extent McLean should have anticipated the cross when Nyom went on the run early in the first half, whips in a cross and both were outside the 6 yard box
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on March 21, 2017, 12:07:49 PM
Too be fair it's not the first time we've heard these stories, plus his tired after theinternational break. I agree with a post earlier when his presented with a decent chance his fluffing it. Not even forcing the keeper into making a save is not good enough. The last decent game he had IMO was West Ham away, he was unlucky when he hit the bar.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 21, 2017, 12:42:36 PM
Think it's most likely a confidence thing. More often than not snatches at his chances and isn't getting any luck in front of goal. I think this explains why we see him looking for the freekick/penalty rather than trying his luck beating the man and getting a shot off. Also think the refs have cottoned on a bit that he goes down quite easily and isn't getting anything from them at the moment either. All leads to frustration, lack of confidence and ultimately poor performances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on March 21, 2017, 03:16:25 PM
Think it's most likely a confidence thing. More often than not snatches at his chances and isn't getting any luck in front of goal. I think this explains why we see him looking for the freekick/penalty rather than trying his luck beating the man and getting a shot off. Also think the refs have cottoned on a bit that he goes down quite easily and isn't getting anything from them at the moment either. All leads to frustration, lack of confidence and ultimately poor performances.
Well put TheBrom
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 21, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Should he of scored the header in the second half right before he got taken off?..... looks shot of confidence.
For once during the game an Arsenal defender made enough of a nuisance to stop him getting a clean header. It was a great cross from Brunt. We haven't really seen enough of these from either side of the pitch since the Swansea game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2017, 07:45:00 PM
For once during the game an Arsenal defender made enough of a nuisance to stop him getting a clean header. It was a great cross from Brunt. We haven't really seen enough of these from either side of the pitch since the Swansea game.


I think Sal should have got it on target but Koscielny defended a wonderful cross superbly. Much like Sakho a fortnight ago.


I feel for Rondon. He was good again on Saturday without luck and within a minute of coming on HRK who was beyond dreadful at Everton is teed up with an open goal.


Reading this thread I get the feeling unless big Salomon gets a goal a game our fans are going to think we can do better (we can't more than likely).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 21, 2017, 07:48:31 PM
Thing is, he hasn't scored for 13 games now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 21, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
Thing is, he hasn't scored for 13 games now
I think that is because the way we play using him as a target man to lay the ball off? Just my onions!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 21, 2017, 09:45:53 PM
I think that is because the way we play using him as a target man to lay the ball off? Just my onions!

Thought we'd established that we use the flanks? And that he hasn't been very effective recently at controlling the ball and laying it off. Either way a striker who hasn't scored in 13 games has to be having some questions asked of him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 22, 2017, 08:29:38 AM

I think Sal should have got it on target but Koscielny defended a wonderful cross superbly. Much like Sakho a fortnight ago.


I feel for Rondon. He was good again on Saturday without luck and within a minute of coming on HRK who was beyond dreadful at Everton is teed up with an open goal.


Reading this thread I get the feeling unless big Salomon gets a goal a game our fans are going to think we can do better (we can't more than likely).

I don't think anyone is expecting a goal a game that would be ridiculous. My main issue isn't that he's not scoring but that when he does get decent chances he doesn't usually even get them on target. I wouldn't mind if he was at least making the keeper work but he rarely does.

At least HRK stuck his chance away, open goal or not (not sure it's an open goal when you've got 3 Arsenal players and one of your own in front of you) I'm not sure Rondon would have taken that chance (I'm thinking Derby in the cup).

WBA 13 you may well be right about there being more to his personal issues that we are being told.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on March 22, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
I don't think anyone is expecting a goal a game that would be ridiculous. My main issue isn't that he's not scoring but that when he does get decent chances he doesn't usually even get them on target. I wouldn't mind if he was at least making the keeper work but he rarely does.

At least HRK stuck his chance away, open goal or not (not sure it's an open goal when you've got 3 Arsenal players and one of your own in front of you) I'm not sure Rondon would have taken that chance (I'm thinking Derby in the cup).

WBA 13 you may well be right about there being more to his personal issues that we are being told.
Definitely something going on, because his confidence is shot.
When he missed the header against backside, they put a close up on the big screen and he looked ready to burst into tears! I mean seriously, he looked distraught, whereas, earlier in the season, he would have shrugged it off and moved on, waiting for the next chance.
I think it's a combination of the fact that he hasn't scored for a while, he's missed some easy chances and he probably feels he doesn't get the rub of the green from refs (I agree). These are all affecting his confidence and he's really taking it to heart. He either needs a rest or a goal so, judging by our lack of options, I just hope he can bag a couple against Man U and he get his mojo back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 22, 2017, 11:50:09 AM
Definitely something going on, because his confidence is shot.
When he missed the header against backside, they put a close up on the big screen and he looked ready to burst into tears! I mean seriously, he looked distraught, whereas, earlier in the season, he would have shrugged it off and moved on, waiting for the next chance.
I think it's a combination of the fact that he hasn't scored for a while, he's missed some easy chances and he probably feels he doesn't get the rub of the green from refs (I agree). These are all affecting his confidence and he's really taking it to heart. He either needs a rest or a goal so, judging by our lack of options, I just hope he can bag a couple against Man U and he get his mojo back.

Then he gets the hook :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on March 22, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
Then he gets the hook :o
I know.

It's difficult though, you can't really leave a bloke on who is so devoid of confidence, but taking him off just makes it worse. Bit like Gazza in 1990, couldn't leave him on once his head had gone.
 
Like I said needs a rest or a goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on March 28, 2017, 09:45:00 PM
Hasn't Pulis mentioned before he's had some personal issues, could be family problems or anything, we don't know. The Chinese offer could have swayed his head as well, on his day a great target man, but been to long of his game now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 28, 2017, 09:55:42 PM
Hasn't Pulis mentioned before he's had some personal issues, could be family problems or anything, we don't know. The Chinese offer could have swayed his head as well, on his day a great target man, but been to long of his game now.

I seem to remember something about some issues going on in Venezuela around that time Pulis commented on his issues outside of football so assumed it was something to do with family back home but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 28, 2017, 10:36:12 PM
I seem to remember something about some issues going on in Venezuela around that time Pulis commented on his issues outside of football so assumed it was something to do with family back home but I could be wrong.

I think it was something to do with the threat of kidnapping, since he's a very high profile person back home. The press were reporting that he has to pretty much disguise himself every time he visits his family over there so that they don't know he's related to them in case they're targeted.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10224829/salomon-rondon-fears-for-his-family-and-friends-in-venezuela

Salomon Rondon says he always dreads returning to Venezuela to visit family and friends.

The West Brom striker admits he fears for his life when he travels back to the country's capital Caracas, which the 26-year-old describes as "a dangerous place".

Gang-related kidnapping of residents, particularly those with wealthy relatives, is commonplace and Rondon knows his own family are at risk on a daily basis.

He told The Times: "If I am with them, it is always at home. We never go out. I try not to draw any attention to myself when I am there.

"The city is chaos. It is worse now than when I was still living in Venezuela. You cannot live there now. Life in Caracas is not life.

"I worry about my family every day. Very few people know who my family are. I do not want anyone to know, and it is the same for my wife and children.

"That could place them in danger. There is a risk of kidnapping. My family are proud of what I am. I have to make sacrifices but I prefer to make this sacrifice and have them alive."
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on March 29, 2017, 12:07:02 AM
I think it was something to do with the threat of kidnapping, since he's a very high profile person back home. The press were reporting that he has to pretty much disguise himself every time he visits his family over there so that they don't know he's related to them in case they're targeted.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/10224829/salomon-rondon-fears-for-his-family-and-friends-in-venezuela

Salomon Rondon says he always dreads returning to Venezuela to visit family and friends.

The West Brom striker admits he fears for his life when he travels back to the country's capital Caracas, which the 26-year-old describes as "a dangerous place".

Gang-related kidnapping of residents, particularly those with wealthy relatives, is commonplace and Rondon knows his own family are at risk on a daily basis.

He told The Times: "If I am with them, it is always at home. We never go out. I try not to draw any attention to myself when I am there.

"The city is chaos. It is worse now than when I was still living in Venezuela. You cannot live there now. Life in Caracas is not life.

"I worry about my family every day. Very few people know who my family are. I do not want anyone to know, and it is the same for my wife and children.

"That could place them in danger. There is a risk of kidnapping. My family are proud of what I am. I have to make sacrifices but I prefer to make this sacrifice and have them alive."

Surely he can get them over here? Not that he should have to, but we would all do the same in his place.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 06:42:25 AM
Surely he can get them over here? Not that he should have to, but we would all do the same in his place.

I agree. And to be honest he's been here nearly 2 years so you'd have to question (if this is the reason), why is it still being allowed to affect his game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 29, 2017, 07:51:10 AM
I was pretty sure I'd read that his wife and kids are over here already and have found this piece from Brummie mail from November last year saying that they are here.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-reveals-12202400

Maybe his issues aren't to do with immediate family? I appreciate he may be worried about other family back in Caracas though.

I think it's something else: maybe playing style? Maybe China?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 29, 2017, 08:53:34 AM
If it is either of those then you still have to applaud the player for the effort he puts in every game, unlike other players heads which may have been turned by the lure of money and then they give up playing or go on strike he has continued to give his all.

I hope he is ok, and I hope he gets the goals soon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 09:16:10 AM
I was pretty sure I'd read that his wife and kids are over here already and have found this piece from Brummie mail from November last year saying that they are here.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-reveals-12202400

Maybe his issues aren't to do with immediate family? I appreciate he may be worried about other family back in Caracas though.

I think it's something else: maybe playing style? Maybe China?

Thing is, are we playing in this style to accommodate Rondon? Or has he had to adapt to the playing style? Either way, we've been playing pretty much the same style for a couple of years now.

I personally think it's just a case of low confidence, and pressure growing since he hasn't scored in a while. As we've mentioned previously we don't create that many chances, so when he doesn't score it is always highlighted negatively. I think he's getting frustrated with not scoring, which invariably leads to nervousness when shooting or controlling the ball, and lowers confidence further.

I think this is why we see him snatch at shots, perhaps go down easily rather than trying his luck at beating the man, or slow down the attack to look for other options. He just needs a goal or two really, and I bet we'll see the Rondon that has the ability to run the game again. I think if we get a penalty we should give him the ball and let him just smash it home. Will do him the world of good.

As a side note it's always stuck with me that Rondon doesn't take any penalties for us. I personally would have thought that as a striker you'd relish the chance to have a free go at goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 29, 2017, 10:24:53 AM
Thing is, are we playing in this style to accommodate Rondon? Or has he had to adapt to the playing style? Either way, we've been playing pretty much the same style for a couple of years now.

I personally think it's just a case of low confidence, and pressure growing since he hasn't scored in a while. As we've mentioned previously we don't create that many chances, so when he doesn't score it is always highlighted negatively. I think he's getting frustrated with not scoring, which invariably leads to nervousness when shooting or controlling the ball, and lowers confidence further.

I think this is why we see him snatch at shots, perhaps go down easily rather than trying his luck at beating the man, or slow down the attack to look for other options. He just needs a goal or two really, and I bet we'll see the Rondon that has the ability to run the game again. I think if we get a penalty we should give him the ball and let him just smash it home. Will do him the world of good.

As a side note it's always stuck with me that Rondon doesn't take any penalties for us. I personally would have thought that as a striker you'd relish the chance to have a free go at goal.

Agree mostly with what you say.
I agree we've been playing this style of football pre Rondon but I would have expected him to have adapted more to our style that he appears to have. I've certainly read that he doesn't score because of the way we play which ignores the issue of him (not) being able to adjust his style to suit us better.

As I've said in numerous posts it's not so much the lack of goals but more the fact he rarely gets things on target that concerns me. He seems to be missing some very easy chances (Hull away, Middlesbrough away, Arsenal at home) which I'm sure is down to confidence and/or pressure.

With regard to the penalty taking as much as I think it would do him good to take the next one we get ...provided he scores..imagine how he might feel if he misses.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 10:51:19 AM
Agree mostly with what you say.
I agree we've been playing this style of football pre Rondon but I would have expected him to have adapted more to our style that he appears to have. I've certainly read that he doesn't score because of the way we play which ignores the issue of him (not) being able to adjust his style to suit us better.

The above was sort of what I was getting at. If he was signed because he works in our existing system, you've got to question why he isn't. On the other hand if we've adopted our system to suit him, again you've got to question why it's not working with him, if we've presumably changed to suit his strengths.

As I've said in numerous posts it's not so much the lack of goals but more the fact he rarely gets things on target that concerns me. He seems to be missing some very easy chances (Hull away, Middlesbrough away, Arsenal at home) which I'm sure is down to confidence and/or pressure.

Agree with the above. And think it will get worse the longer he doesn't score. Especially if his strength is heading, and so many others have been scoring headers other than him. I mean we've got such good deliverers of the ball in the team, and it is clearly a game plan to try to get goals from headers, he's got to feel disappointed that he's not getting in on the action.

With regard to the penalty taking as much as I think it would do him good to take the next one we get ...provided he scores..imagine how he might feel if he misses.

I was thinking exactly the same thing as I typed about the penalties. Although I think it does say a lot about a striker who doesn't feel the confidence to score a free shot from directly in front of the goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on March 29, 2017, 11:02:25 AM
The above was sort of what I was getting at. If he was signed because he works in our existing system, you've got to question why he isn't. On the other hand if we've adopted our system to suit him, again you've got to question why it's not working with him, if we've presumably changed to suit his strengths.

Agree with the above. And think it will get worse the longer he doesn't score. Especially if his strength is heading, and so many others have been scoring headers other than him. I mean we've got such good deliverers of the ball in the team, and it is clearly a game plan to try to get goals from headers, he's got to feel disappointed that he's not getting in on the action.

I was thinking exactly the same thing as I typed about the penalties. Although I think it does say a lot about a striker who doesn't feel the confidence to score a free shot from directly in front of the goal.
Think he missed his last penalty for Venezuela, not sure though but, to be fair, I couldn't tell you who our dedicated penalty taker is as we never get any! Maybe it is Rondon, we just don't know it! Anyone shed any light?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 11:04:49 AM
Think he missed his last penalty for Venezuela, not sure though but, to be fair, I couldn't tell you who our dedicated penalty taker is as we never get any! Maybe it is Rondon, we just don't know it! Anyone shed any light?

Recently I've seen Morrison and Chadli take them. We haven't had that many to be fair! I also remember Rondon not being named in the 5 that took penalties during our last shootout as well. I don't think Rondon has ever taken one for us in the two years he has been here? Just find that a bit strange when you're a lone striker who struggles for goals anyway
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 29, 2017, 11:05:14 AM
Think he missed his last penalty for Venezuela, not sure though but, to be fair, I couldn't tell you who our dedicated penalty taker is as we never get any! Maybe it is Rondon, we just don't know it! Anyone shed any light?

I would imagine it's Brunt if he is playing. Chadli took the one against West Ham at the start of the seaason.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 29, 2017, 11:08:46 AM
I'm sure I read somewhere that he scored for Venezuela last night v Chile
Edit here http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-international-football-chadli-rondon-mcclean-3647482.aspx
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
I would imagine it's Brunt if he is playing. Chadli took the one against West Ham at the start of the seaason.

Forgot about Brunt!

Yep, Chadli has taken the only penalty we got this season.

Last year we got 5 penalties, scored 1 missed 4!

Those were:

Berahino, took 2, missed 2 (same game if I remember)
Rickie Lambert, took 1, scored 1
Morrison took 1, missed 1
Gardener took 1, missed 1

The 5 that were named to take penalties against Peterborough last year in the shootout were:
Pocognoli - scored
Berahino - scored
Gardner - scored
Fletcher - missed
Chester - scored

Before that against Port Vale we used:
Lambert - scored
Yacob - scored
McManaman - scored
Fletcher - scored
Chester - scored

Edited to add the Northampton shootout:
Rondon - scored
Berahino - missed
Fletcher - scored
Phillips - scored
Morrison - missed

Rondon was in the team for each of these games, except the second Berahino miss, as he'd been subbed off by then. You'd have thought he'd put himself forward to take at least 1 of those 14 penalties, unless Pulis thinks he's not likely to score them either?

So Rondon has taken a penalty for us, in the shootout against Northampton. Hasn't attempted since
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on March 29, 2017, 11:23:15 AM
I would imagine it's Brunt if he is playing. Chadli took the one against West Ham at the start of the seaason.
Shame McAuley can't take em with his head! I would say Chadli though if he is on the pitch. Whenever Brunt steps up, all I can think of is the one against villa when he nearly hit the corner flag!
Good news that Rondon notched last night even though they lost. Doubt he will start against Man U anyway though, he probably won't get back until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 29, 2017, 11:38:18 AM
Forgot about Brunt!

Yep, Chadli has taken the only penalty we got this season.

Last year we got 5 penalties, scored 1 missed 4!

Those were:

Berahino, took 2, missed 2 (same game if I remember)
Rickie Lambert, took 1, scored 1
Morrison took 1, missed 1
Gardener took 1, missed 1

The 5 that were named to take penalties against Peterborough last year in the shootout were:
Pocognoli - scored
Berahino - scored
Gardner - scored
Fletcher - missed
Chester - scored

Before that against Port Vale we used:
Lambert - scored
Yacob - scored
McManaman - scored
Fletcher - scored
Chester - scored

Rondon was in the team for each of these games, except the second Berahino miss, as he'd been subbed off by then. You'd have thought he'd put himself forward to take at least 1 of those 14 penalties, unless Pulis thinks he's not likely to score them either?

From memory I'm pretty sure Rondon scored a penalty in the shoot out against Northampton, as did Fletcher and Phillips.

Morrison had one saved and Berahino 'ballooned' his wide.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
From memory I'm pretty sure Rondon scored a penalty in the shoot out against Northampton, as did Fletcher and Phillips.

Morrison had one saved and Berahino 'ballooned' his wide.

You are correct. Still strange that he took the first penalty in that shootout and hasn't taken one since
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 29, 2017, 11:43:54 AM
You are correct. Still strange that he took the first penalty in that shootout and hasn't taken one since

Just read your reply so deleted my original post.

Here's the goals and shocking memories  :( .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGCm0WjTgqs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGCm0WjTgqs)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 29, 2017, 01:40:09 PM
You are correct. Still strange that he took the first penalty in that shootout and hasn't taken one since

Don't mean to be pedantic but we've only had one penalty all season (as stated by your good self).

This was taken by an eager to impress Chadli (who himself hadn't scored for some time) on his debut.

Statistically speaking I would suggest the infrequency of penalty awards to us may have limited Salomon's opportunities to score from the spot   ;D   ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 01:44:35 PM
Don't mean to be pedantic but we've only had one penalty all season (as stated by your good self).

This was taken by an eager to impress Chadli (who himself hadn't scored for some time) on his debut.

Statistically speaking I would suggest the infrequency of penalty awards to us may have limited Salomon's opportunities to score from the spot   ;D   ;) .

Still, we had 4 when he was on the pitch last season, and two other penalty shootouts where he wasn't featured. You'd think as a striker in your early time at a new club, you'd take the opportunity with both hands to notch up a couple of extra goals. Either he doesn't want to, or the coaching staff would rather he doesn't. Which I see as strange for the only striker on the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 29, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
Still, we had 4 when he was on the pitch last season, and two other penalty shootouts where he wasn't featured. You'd think as a striker in your early time at a new club, you'd take the opportunity with both hands to notch up a couple of extra goals. Either he doesn't want to, or the coaching staff would rather he doesn't. Which I see as strange for the only striker on the pitch.

The club already had designated penalty takers last season, you are aware of this.

Berahino (who had a decent conversion rate from the spot prior to Watford) and Brunt.

Did we have any penalties after the Berahino debacle v Watford, genuinely can't remember.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 02:02:52 PM
The club already had designated penalty takers last season, you are aware of this.

Berahino (who had a decent conversion rate from the spot prior to Watford) and Brunt.

Did we have any penalties after the Berahino debacle v Watford, genuinely can't remember.

I actually wasn't. Looking at the takers it seems Lambert, Morrison, Gardner and Berahino took them in league games last season. Hardly a designated taker. Brunt was on the pitch when Morrison missed his?

Anyway, we're moving off the point. If we get another penalty I think he should take it as a goal will improve his confidence massively. As a striker in need of goals, I'd be telling Pulis that I should be taking the next one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 29, 2017, 02:11:37 PM
I actually wasn't. Looking at the takers it seems Lambert, Morrison, Gardner and Berahino took them in league games last season. Hardly a designated taker. Brunt was on the pitch when Morrison missed his?

Anyway, we're moving off the point. If we get another penalty I think he should take it as a goal will improve his confidence massively. As a striker in need of goals, I'd be telling Pulis that I should be taking the next one.

You didn't know that Berahino and Brunt took penalties for the Albion?

Lambert's record from the spot is really rather good, Morrison has taken decent penalties in previous shoot outs and Gardner has a good dig on him.

If we get another penalty it could just as easily destroy Rondon's confidence were he to miss or the keeper to pull off a save.

And no, you wouldn't be telling Pulis a damned thing of you wanted to stay in his team  :) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 02:23:03 PM
You didn't know that Berahino and Brunt took penalties for the Albion?

Well you said that Berahino and Brunt were our designated takers. I didn't realise we had a designated taker. Evidenced by the 5 different takers we've had since last season.

Lambert's record from the spot is really rather good, Morrison has taken decent penalties in previous shoot outs and Gardner has a good dig on him.

Surely it doesn't matter if Lambert, Gardner or Morrison are good at penalties if we have designated takers? The designated takers should have taken them regardless, otherwise what's the point? By that method, Rondon could have easily stepped up at any time regardless of the chosen taker.

If we get another penalty it could just as easily destroy Rondon's confidence were he to miss or the keeper to pull off a save.

And no, you wouldn't be telling Pulis a damned thing of you wanted to stay in his team  :) .

I've mentioned the point about if he misses. But let's be honest, if you're a professional footballer you should be capable of sticking it away from 12 yards. If you're so low on confidence that you don't think you should be taking a penalty, you shouldn't really be on the pitch really.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 29, 2017, 02:29:29 PM
Well you said that Berahino and Brunt were our designated takers. I didn't realise we had a designated taker. Evidenced by the 5 different takers we've had since last season.

Surely it doesn't matter if Lambert, Gardner or Morrison are good at penalties if we have designated takers? The designated takers should have taken them regardless, otherwise what's the point? By that method, Rondon could have easily stepped up at any time regardless of the chosen taker.

I've mentioned the point about if he misses. But let's be honest, if you're a professional footballer you should be capable of sticking it away from 12 yards. If you're so low on confidence that you don't think you should be taking a penalty, you shouldn't really be on the pitch really.

All fair points.

But equally if all of the listed players happen to be more confident/proficient penalty takers than Rondon, it's pretty obvious who should be taking them regardless of what you or I think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 29, 2017, 02:33:51 PM
All fair points.

But equally if all of the listed players happen to be more confident/proficient penalty takers than Rondon, it's pretty obvious who should be taking them regardless of what you or I think.

Definitely. My original point was why Rondon was never our main man for them. You've got to read something into that, whether it's that he's not proficient at shooting from 12 yards, or that he's never really confident enough to take them. Either way it may explain some of the concerns around his finishing that some have stated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 29, 2017, 02:44:16 PM
Definitely. My original point was why Rondon was never our main man for them. You've got to read something into that, whether it's that he's not proficient at shooting from 12 yards, or that he's never really confident enough to take them. Either way it may explain some of the concerns around his finishing that some have stated.

To be honest I really couldn't give a toss who takes the penalties so long as somebody scores them.

If it were a successful Rondon, then I dare say his detractors would point to how many of his goals had come from the spot as opposed to open play.

Rather like Brunty's detractors often point to his assists being bloated due to him taking so many corners over the years.

Tomaytos-  tomahtos.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on March 29, 2017, 07:43:58 PM
I would prefer a corner to a penalty anyway.More chance of scoring !!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 29, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
I would prefer a corner to a penalty anyway.More chance of scoring !!
Oh ye of little faith.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 30, 2017, 10:21:24 AM
He a ored a cracking header the other day for Venezuela hopefully that brings him some
Confidence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DivinePast on April 01, 2017, 05:04:38 PM
Other than the 1 on 1 opportunity he had vs Rojo I thought Rondon did well. Showed a lot of energy,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on April 02, 2017, 02:08:43 PM
Other than the 1 on 1 opportunity he had vs Rojo I thought Rondon did well. Showed a lot of energy,

I was shouting at him to have a shot there, he was trying to work too much space and just needed to have a crack. shows his lack of confidence at the mo IMO. especially as De Gea was "sleeping" to quote Mourinho
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 02, 2017, 03:52:22 PM
I was shouting at him to have a shot there, he was trying to work too much space and just needed to have a crack. shows his lack of confidence at the mo IMO. especially as De Gea was "sleeping" to quote Mourinho

Yep, sums up what I was saying pre-match about his lack of confidence. Shooting doesn't seem to be the first thing on his mind when he gets into these good positions.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 03, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
Hope he starts tomorrow, HRK is poo
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 03, 2017, 07:04:09 PM
Hope he starts tomorrow, HRK is poo


Hes better than
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on April 03, 2017, 07:14:15 PM
Hope he starts tomorrow, HRK is poo
No he ain't
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on April 03, 2017, 09:39:55 PM
Did more when he came on than HRK did, sadly its evident when he starts that HRK lacks the presence and quality that Rondon has. Just wish Rondon could get his confidence back because he seems reluctant to shoot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Kanu is poor. That much is true. Rondon back in for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on April 04, 2017, 12:33:21 PM
HRK should start against one of the sides below us before getting written off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on April 04, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
I was shouting at him to have a shot there, he was trying to work too much space and just needed to have a crack. shows his lack of confidence at the mo IMO. especially as De Gea was "sleeping" to quote Mourinho
Yes, just give it a crack, good chance of a corner anyway off Rojo or De gea
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 04, 2017, 07:23:00 PM
I'm beside myself with HRK starting again today. Pulis basically asks his forwards to hold the ball, take on multiple defenders, how does he possibly think a winger is going to do that job? I've already seen plenty of evidence he can't pull that off. HRK barely belongs on a PL roster and his ceiling is coming in as a sub. If WBA had a true forward that could do these duties I may understand Rondon riding the bench due to his struggles, but he should be starting today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 04, 2017, 07:42:32 PM
I'm beside myself with HRK starting again today. Pulis basically asks his forwards to hold the ball, take on multiple defenders, how does he possibly think a winger is going to do that job? I've already seen plenty of evidence he can't pull that off. HRK barely belongs on a PL roster and his ceiling is coming in as a sub. If WBA had a true forward that could do these duties I may understand Rondon riding the bench due to his struggles, but he should be starting today.
I'm a Rondon fan but his form has dropped badly , HRK did well on Saturday so i can understand it.
Naturally we know you are here because of Rondon but his performances haven't been good enough lately.
I hope a spell on the bench will jolt him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 04, 2017, 08:07:57 PM
I'm a Rondon fan but his form has dropped badly , HRK did well on Saturday so i can understand it.
Naturally we know you are here because of Rondon but his performances haven't been good enough lately.
I hope a spell on the bench will jolt him.

Maybe he's giving HRK a chance to prove himself for next season?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 04, 2017, 10:25:27 PM
Rondon got to start against Southampton.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2017, 10:32:16 PM
But he don't score, just runs around. HRK to start for me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 04, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
But he don't score, just runs around. HRK to start for me

Maybe we should go for a false 9?  :P

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 04, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
Rondon got to start against Southampton.
I like him but he's a country mile off at the moment for whatever reason. Never looked like it tonight against 10 men.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on April 05, 2017, 12:45:13 AM
Needs help as he runs his socks off, but definitely in a rut in front of goal
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 05, 2017, 03:36:51 AM
has he broke a mirror or something? Absolutely no luck for him atmo
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on April 05, 2017, 07:46:55 AM
Everyone has their own opinion but mine is he isn't good enough and a new striker should be top priority in summer .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 08, 2017, 08:42:26 PM
Looked like he didn't want to be there today. Lots of arm waving and shrugging, especially when HRK came on. Dominated again by smaller defenders and some of his falls were as embarrassing as Long's. Everything bounced off him again.

Should have done better with his header and the shot that went out for a throw summed it up. When your target man isn't giving you a target man's performance he doesn't really offer anything else.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on April 09, 2017, 01:29:25 AM
1st proper season in EPL. Needs a rest, will be better next year. Really needs to get his family over here, drop in form since  rubbish in Venuzuela started. Love him, hope it works out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on April 09, 2017, 02:59:19 AM
I personally like Rondon you cant fault his work ethic and his character but at the end of the day he is paid a stupid sum of money to score goals and he isnt doing that at the moment. Im hope when everything calms down in his home country we will see the old Rondon. I would like to think the club will do everything in their power to help get his family over here. Although i must stress if this form continues then we will have to cash in. The club turned down a 32 million pound bid from a Chinese club as we all know im sure they would of snapped their hands off though had they of had more time in order to buy a replacement. Im starting to find his lack of goals and his shrugging and moaning on the pitch frustrating. The harsh reality is we havent really got a player to keep him on his toes in that position. For all HRKs effort he isnt premier league class. Everyone on here fully knew that when it was announced he had signed. I wish i had a crystal ball and could see into the future because i would like to think we will have 4 strikers going into next season. I would be interested to see if Rondon or HRK are part of the set up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on April 09, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
Get rid not good enough
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 09, 2017, 08:21:22 AM
1st proper season in EPL. Needs a rest, will be better next year. Really needs to get his family over here, drop in form since  rubbish in Venuzuela started. Love him, hope it works out.

Didn't he sign at the start of last season..? I'm sure someone said his family are over here now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 09, 2017, 08:38:38 AM
Didn't he sign at the start of last season..? I'm sure someone said his family are over here now

His wife and kids are but the rest likely to still be in Venezuela. No one on here knows what issues if anything he's dealing with away from the game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 09, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
To be honest though he's had 2 years now. I could understand if it was the first few months, but he's been with us long enough now.

And for what it's worth I don't think there are any issues like this, I think he's just not been playing very well for a while.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on April 09, 2017, 09:29:37 AM
Last season I recall there were issues and the excuse was he was ill so had to have some tests . A few months on and there are more excuses .

The bottom line is either you can do basic things with a football or you can't . Whatever his problems are shouldn't affect his ability to control and pass a football or make the right runs in and around the penalty area.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 09, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
Whatever the problem is with him, the club is paying the penalty of going into the season with effectively just one striker (Berahino needs no explaining and HRK is not a recognised outright striker of Prem quality), not helped by him being frequently isolated and lacking support from the midfield. It is fortunate that defenders have chipped in with vital goals.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on April 09, 2017, 11:52:09 AM
Has to be said that Rondon has been left down by club, this lad has to be knackered with all the running he does up top on his own. Hrk isn't a Prem striker,  Pulis knows only one way to play and the owners have to be aware of lack of options upfront in the last two windows
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 09, 2017, 02:50:19 PM
Has to be said that Rondon has been left down by club, this lad has to be knackered with all the running he does up top on his own. Hrk isn't a Prem striker,  Pulis knows only one way to play and the owners have to be aware of lack of options upfront in the last two windows

I don't agree with what your saying about him being let down by the club. He wasn't let down by the club whe he got a hat trick against Swansea, its the same player same club.
Wether or not he has issues away from the club his overall play is quite poor.
We've seen him on a few one on one's and personally I'd back the keeper every time.
He's starting to develop 'Anichebe Syndrome', for a big bloke he doesn't half get knocked off the ball easily.
and in general his ball control is abysmal.
With that all said often he's our furthest forward player and the rest of the team are sometimes a bit lax in getting up in support.
Personally if that big money offer comes in from China I'd be inclined to let him go because since that deal was intimated at in the transfer window he hasn't been the same player
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on April 09, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
Has to be said that Rondon has been left down by club, this lad has to be knackered with all the running he does up top on his own. Hrk isn't a Prem striker,  Pulis knows only one way to play and the owners have to be aware of lack of options upfront in the last two windows

I couldnt disagree anymore than i do with your post. Im sorry but can you explain why the club has let the player down in your opinion? Because all im reading is you think the club have let him down because  they are playing him alot. Like you say HRK isnt premier league quality and a head coach like Pulis will know that. So that leaves us with just the one option up top and thats Rondon. Playing him alot isnt letting him down its because we have no other choice. Another way i look at it is we are putting him out there to do his job and he simply isnt doing that at the moment simple as that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
I couldnt disagree anymore than i do with your post. Im sorry but can you explain why the club has let the player down in your opinion? Because all im reading is you think the club have let him down because  they are playing him alot. Like you say HRK isnt premier league quality and a head coach like Pulis will know that. So that leaves us with just the one option up top and thats Rondon. Playing him alot isnt letting him down its because we have no other choice. Another way i look at it is we are putting him out there to do his job and he simply isnt doing that at the moment simple as that


It's quite obvious to me what he meant? And I agree to a certain extent, he's saying the club have let Rondon down by not signing a realistic alternative to him, a decent back-up. The work Salomon has to get through each game, rarely being substituted and until the last 3 weeks never rested is too much for one bloke, especially one whose international duty involves over 20 hours of flights.


The Rondon of Swansea was still relatively fresh, this one is shattered and his confidence shot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on April 09, 2017, 05:20:26 PM
Rondon has reached the point where the blip in form has developed into a full blown crisis of confidence. There are a multitude of potential reasons but I suspect mental and physical tiredness is a major factor as he has been carrying the attack almost single handed for a side which has low possession and leaves him isolated on many occasions.

With better support and a breather over the summer he might recover his early season form but the fear is that we have seen peak Rondon. He has two years left on his contract and if the big money offer from China is still on the table I would be tempted to take it. That said I fear that his replacement will have the same tactical issues to overcome and I fear that there will be a succession of Rondon's who go into slow but inevitable decline as they carry the burden of being the fulcrum of our attack. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 09, 2017, 06:35:40 PM
Small things not quite going his way either. The cross from Chadli for his headed chance yesterday was about 6 inches too high, he had to guide it to make sure he got it on target rather than adding power to it. We generally haven't got enough crosses in since that Swansea game. There was Brunt's cross against Arsenal when Koscielny just did enough to deny Rondon a clean header and struggling to think of any others.

Pulis doesn't want to hear about tiredness and you can see his point to an extent but I don't think he's changed it enough when we've had these couple of spells of 3 games in 7 or 8 days - especially given the age profile of the squad. We've improved the athleticism and dynamism of the squad to an extent BUT plenty more to do on that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on April 09, 2017, 07:36:25 PM

 The work Salomon has to get through each game, rarely being substituted and until the last 3 weeks never rested is too much for one bloke, especially one whose international duty involves over 20 hours of flights.

I'd be very surprised if Rondon covers more ground per game than others do, but no doubt someone can come up with how far all the players run per game. He's in a drought because he's not good enough to take the few chances that come his way, not because he's knackered because he's not been rested. If GM can keep going at his age I'm sure Rondon should be able to cope. One thing I don't get is why, when our defenders are a threat at corners, doesn't Rondon chip in now and again. Is he told to keep out of the way?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on April 09, 2017, 07:39:05 PM
Like Rondon have always supported him, but I find it hard to defend him now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on April 09, 2017, 07:59:00 PM
I'd be very surprised if Rondon covers more ground per game than others do, but no doubt someone can come up with how far all the players run per game. He's in a drought because he's not good enough to take the few chances that come his way, not because he's knackered because he's not been rested. If GM can keep going at his age I'm sure Rondon should be able to cope. One thing I don't get is why, when our defenders are a threat at corners, doesn't Rondon chip in now and again. Is he told to keep out of the way?

There is a simple reason if you look at the replay for Dawson's goals against Arsenal Rondon has the near post decoy run he ain't going to get much of a sniff from there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on April 09, 2017, 08:15:42 PM
Still don't see how he has been any worse than any other player the last few games. As for not scoring from corners, Rondon is usually on the keeper stopping him from coming out to claim the ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on April 09, 2017, 10:40:07 PM
As for not scoring from corners, Rondon is usually on the keeper stopping him from coming out to claim the ball.

Mmm-why does he do that? Is it a role allocated by Pulis-if it is it doesn't say much for TP's faith in him. Or does he take it upon himself to do that, in which case is it a place to hide? Either way, not a role for someone who should be a busting a gut to score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 09, 2017, 10:45:27 PM
Mmm-why does he do that? Is it a role allocated by Pulis-if it is it doesn't say much for TP's faith in him. Or does he take it upon himself to do that, in which case is it a place to hide? Either way, not a role for someone who should be a busting a gut to score.
From what I've seen it's usually Fletcher doing the standing on the keeper.....you can guarantee one thing, they'll all have been told what their role is in the setup for corners....no hiding about it. The main focus of our corners, except for the variations, is always one of the 3 centre backs (including Dawson there obviously) and we wouldn't want anyone on our team obstructing their path.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on April 09, 2017, 10:53:58 PM
Confidence looks totally shot - he really needed that first half header to fly in - and he's just not half the player he was in the first part of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 10, 2017, 08:36:04 AM
his confidence is shot, he's feeding off scraps at the best of times. some of the play into him on Saturday was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 10, 2017, 09:41:08 AM
I'll risk comparing this with Shane Long when he was here.

I'm working off memory but after the 8th place season where we had Long, Odemwingie and Lukaku operating,  Lukaku then went and Odemwingie was soon into QPR car park mode. Long had a lot of games where he'd be chasing long balls and lost causes and getting the odd chance every 3 or 4 games. It must grind down players who have to compete with central defenders and DMs on their own most of the time.

There's no doubt Rondon has suffered during Matt Phillips time out of the team as he's been the one most likely to share the load ..and also take defenders away with runs and create chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on April 10, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
It's amazing that we went from having the likes of Lukaku, Odemwingie, Long and Fortune up top and now we have Rondon and Robson Kanu. The one area of the squad where we've massively declined.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2017, 10:57:50 AM
It's amazing that we went from having the likes of Lukaku, Odemwingie, Long and Fortune up top and now we have Rondon and Robson Kanu. The one area of the squad where we've massively declined.

We need a serious upgrade on our forwards for next season.
Pulis needs to decide how he's going to play and get the forwards in that buy into his game plan.
Not saying Rondon didn't buy into the plan but some posters on here believe that to be the case
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 10, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
We need a serious upgrade on our forwards for next season.
Pulis needs to decide how he's going to play and get the forwards in that buy into his game plan.
Not saying Rondon didn't buy into the plan but some posters on here believe that to be the case

Either way it's not been working recently. Either Rondon isn't buying into the plan as you say, or the team shape and tactics aren't working with him. Either way I hope this is addressed in the summer, with a better striker for the way we play (is there one) or a slight change in the way we play, or the midfield structure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
Either way it's not been working recently. Either Rondon isn't buying into the plan as you say, or the team shape and tactics aren't working with him. Either way I hope this is addressed in the summer, with a better striker for the way we play (is there one) or a slight change in the way we play, or the midfield structure.

A striker like Kodjia from down the road, from what I've seen and heard he can only play up front on his own, not saying we should go out there and get him but there must be other players our scouting system can find to sort out this mess
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on April 10, 2017, 11:52:17 AM
Yac is a big buddy of Rondon's and he isn't getting picked, i can well imagine this would have a negative effect on Rondon.

Miss a few chances, being isolated on the pitch and language wise, mates not playing, family worries its easy to see how this could add up to a loss of form.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on April 10, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
I'll risk comparing this with Shane Long when he was here.

I'm working off memory but after the 8th place season where we had Long, Odemwingie and Lukaku operating,  Lukaku then went and Odemwingie was soon into QPR car park mode. Long had a lot of games where he'd be chasing long balls and lost causes and getting the odd chance every 3 or 4 games. It must grind down players who have to compete with central defenders and DMs on their own most of the time.

There's no doubt Rondon has suffered during Matt Phillips time out of the team as he's been the one most likely to share the load ..and also take defenders away with runs and create chances.

I agree 100%. Can I also add that Marc Antoine Fortune was better at holding the ball up and probably a better player overall
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 10, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
Does anybody know what his personal problem is, terrible news  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 10, 2017, 05:48:33 PM
Does anybody know what his personal problem is, terrible news  :-X

Don't know, but just read this in the Telegraph:

West Bromwich Albion manager, Tony Pulis has delivered a staunch defence of misfiring Venezuelan striker Salomon Rondon, repudiating suggestions that the player’s travails in front of goal are related to interest from China.

Rondon has not scored since registering a hat-trick against Swansea on 14th December, a drought encompassing 16 Premier League outings. In that time, Northern Ireland central defender, Gareth McAuley has drawn level with the forward as the club’s top scorer, with a modest tally of seven, prompting some supporters to question when the forward will score again.

The 27-year-old was industrious enough during Albion’s second home defeat of 2017 against Southampton but appeared shorn of confidence, particularly once a textbook header elicited a wonderful save from Fraser Forster in the first period.

And Pulis rejected more sinister accusations linking Rondon’s downturn to Albion’s refusal to sanction a £32 million transfer to Chinese Super League club Tianjin Quanjian in January.

“No, I think there have been other things back home that have gone on. I can't go into detail but there is something else on his mind which he has to worry about,” Pulis said.

“I wouldn't say it is the interest from China, not at all.

“Everything has been fine but there has been a problem back home that is getting better for him which is good. We are pleased with that. He just needs a goal. He needs one to go in off the back of his head. Even second half he had an opportunity, he just needs that one break but he is not getting it at the moment.”

“The great thing has been the supporters. Lots of supporters come in for criticism at times for losing faith quickly and going against people. But they have been really good with Salomon, he is going through a bad time but I think the supporters have been fantastic with him.”

In contrast, Dusan Tadic - who has at times enjoyed a fractious relationship with his manager Claude Puel - delivered an assured display. The Serb exuded quality and his presence of mind allowed Jordy Clasie to score the decisive goal for the Saints, who are now four points behind Albion, in eighth, with two games in hand.

“I think all the teams know the quality of Dusan,” Puel said.

“It is important with his quality and character to keep this level of performance. It is important for him and us”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/09/tony-pulis-salomon-rondon-drought-personal-issues-not-interest/

EDIT:

This is on Rondon's Twitter, posted 21 hours ago (dodgy translation from Bing):

A great teacher, a beautiful person and great conspirator so our football reached the elite. Large Tiger eternal. 1/2. With a picture of an old football coach by the looks of it.

and: My condolences to his family and Venezuelan football. DEP linen Alonso. 2/2

Also, lots of videos of him playing football with his kids from a few weeks back in the UK, and his wife, so appears they are over here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on April 10, 2017, 06:31:16 PM
I agree 100%. Can I also add that Marc Antoine Fortune was better at holding the ball up and probably a better player overall

Haha, the criticism Rondon is getting is unbelievable. He might not be on top form at the minute but suggesting Fortune was better is laughable.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 10, 2017, 06:37:20 PM
Fortune better ;D peeing my pants reading this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 10, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
the tweet on Lino Alonso is simply saluting a manager who was highly influential in Venezuelan soccer, especially the younger squads like U-15, U-17, U-20, etc. Alonso was well revered nationally and several Venezuelan players sent similar messages. I wouldn't put any stock on this taking a toll on Rondon.

The situation back home is much more likely to be a major cause of concern for him especially if he has family there. Whether it's his wife and kids or his parents or just other close family the living situation in Venezuela is extremely poor at the moment, I'll be happy to go on about this all day from how insecure it is to live over there to the severe scarcity of food and most every day needs such as paper. Add to that a lot of activity nowadays with massive protests and I could definitely relate to being physically elsewhere but mentally back home. Just today, for example, protesters (who have no weapons) were met by tear gas being air-dropped from helicopters. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on April 10, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
The lack of another striker to share the load is really having an impact imo. Add to the fact that his confidence is obviously shot to bits and it's not a happy situation for him to be in.

Yes he looks terrible at the moment, but so does any player out of form. The difference is, usually out of form players get dropped for a few games, given a break and time to refocus. Our lack of options mean we don't have that luxury and Rondon is kept constantly in the firing line.

The criticism of him is definitely justified, but selling him is the wrong move in my opinion. He is perfect for the way we set up and play, but we need a competent back up in the same mould to take the pressure off.

Everywhere else on the pitch we have competent replacements who can do a job when required (admittedly not as good as our first choices, but the gulf in class isn't as big as an inform Rondon and HRK).

Needs a rest and a lucky break in front of goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on April 10, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
the tweet on Lino Alonso is simply saluting a manager who was highly influential in Venezuelan soccer, especially the younger squads like U-15, U-17, U-20, etc. Alonso was well revered nationally and several Venezuelan players sent similar messages. I wouldn't put any stock on this taking a toll on Rondon.

The situation back home is much more likely to be a major cause of concern for him especially if he has family there. Whether it's his wife and kids or his parents or just other close family the living situation in Venezuela is extremely poor at the moment, I'll be happy to go on about this all day from how insecure it is to live over there to the severe scarcity of food and most every day needs such as paper. Add to that a lot of activity nowadays with massive protests and I could definitely relate to being physically elsewhere but mentally back home. Just today, for example, protesters (who have no weapons) were met by tear gas being air-dropped from helicopters.

I've been reading about the situation in Venezuela.

Not good is a terrible understatement.

All of the very best to you and yours vrabbit.

Stay safe.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on April 10, 2017, 09:07:06 PM
I don't want to be funny, but at the moment, Roman Bednar would probably be giving us at least as good value as Rondon. I like Rondon. Gives his all, and you can tell that by how frustrated he gets sometimes. Absolutely delighted with his effort. I said this several months back, but I will repeat it; I just don't think he's up to being a very good striker in the Premier League. I hate to admit it as I like the lad, and I once thought he was going to be quality. It's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 10, 2017, 09:09:58 PM
I've been reading about the situation in Venezuela.

Not good is a terrible understatement.

All of the very best to you and yours vrabbit.

Stay safe.

appreciated, and glad to know people are aware of the situation there. Not good is definitely an understatement but I didn't want to come across too dramatic. Luckily my family is all out of there now but I have a lot of close friends that are like family to me living through that struggle and even participating in these protest where they are basically risking their lives.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 16, 2017, 12:43:01 PM
Obviously not just me that doesn't think Rondon has been up to it recently. HRK preferred again by TP
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbastrollers on April 16, 2017, 12:51:18 PM
appreciated, and glad to know people are aware of the situation there. Not good is definitely an understatement but I didn't want to come across too dramatic. Luckily my family is all out of there now but I have a lot of close friends that are like family to me living through that struggle and even participating in these protest where they are basically risking their lives.

Would it not be prudent to bring his Family over here, or is that not possble?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2017, 02:47:06 PM
Sell him in the summer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on April 16, 2017, 03:46:19 PM
Would it not be prudent to bring his Family over here, or is that not possble?

It looked like his family were in the Hawthorns today!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimbo Baggy on April 16, 2017, 03:47:15 PM
Lovely through ball to Phillips, who should have scored.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 16, 2017, 03:47:54 PM
Think he is just burnt out, what with his problems back home (mental) all the running he does mostly on his own up front (physical), and the travel backwards and forwards to Venezuela (both). He just needs a decent break to recharge his batteries I think
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 16, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Think he is just burnt out, what with his problems back home (mental) all the running he does mostly on his own up front (physical), and the travel backwards and forwards to Venezuela (both). He just needs a decent break to recharge his batteries I think
Yes he probably does need a break. Thought he looked as though he'd lost a couple of pounds which should be a good thing. He's not looked full of running exactly in the last month. Should still start the next game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 16, 2017, 11:10:32 PM
Venezuela is a terrible at the moment.
I have a friend who moved out there in the 60's to live with her husband.
She can't get out, and anyway feels that Britain is no longer her home.
Her children are are struggling and the inflation is terrible...Cheaper to paste the walls with their notes than buy wallpaper.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 16, 2017, 11:21:08 PM
Sky picked out about 10 Venezuelans at the game today (shirts and flags) and Rondon going over to say hello at half time...not sure if he knew any of them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 17, 2017, 01:40:03 PM
Yes he probably does need a break. Thought he looked as though he'd lost a couple of pounds which should be a good thing. He's not looked full of running exactly in the last month. Should still start the next game.

Why should he need a break as a professional footballer? Tired of hearing the same excuses, he's just not very good
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 17, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
Why should he need a break as a professional footballer? Tired of hearing the same excuses, he's just not very good
Quite a lot of professional footballers are in need of a decent break when you get to mid April. If my memory serves me right didn't he play in a tournament with Venezuela at the end of last season....then turned up for pre season on time despite the club offering him the chance to take a longer break.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 17, 2017, 03:05:04 PM
Quite a lot of professional footballers are in need of a decent break when you get to mid April. If my memory serves me right didn't he play in a tournament with Venezuela at the end of last season....then turned up for pre season on time despite the club offering him the chance to take a longer break.

But it's not just mid-April, he's been poor since at least January..

There always seems to be an excuse with Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on April 17, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
Why should he need a break as a professional footballer? Tired of hearing the same excuses, he's just not very good
I agree but let's face it, where are we going  to find a striker who can hold onto a hoofed clearance from defence, control the ball. turn and beat his marker (and anybody else between him and the goal) and slot it past the goalie? All because there's no other Albion player close enough to pass to when he's controlled the ball. Whoever plays up top, we have to get support to him quickly, otherwise he's destined to become a failure as a striker-for us anyway, because however many goals he's scored elsewhere unless we change he won't score many for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 17, 2017, 05:07:38 PM
But it's not just mid-April, he's been poor since at least January..

There always seems to be an excuse with Rondon
He is just not a good footballer full stop, or he hasn't been very good since January? What exactly IS your opinion of Rondon?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 17, 2017, 05:33:59 PM
My opinion is that on his day, he seems to be able to hold the ball up and outmuscle defenders, bringing others into play. He hasn't been in form at all in 2017, hasn't scored in 18 games now and everything he touches seems to either bounce off him or go out for a throw-in.

First it was issues with his family, then he was tired from playing international games, tired from travelling, now there are other personal issues that are supposedly stopping him from playing well. It's funny how we didn't hear the excuses when he was playing well and scoring. Now all we hear are off the field issues being the cause of his recent performances. It's becoming a bit tiresome.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 17, 2017, 05:44:50 PM
the excuses are mostly hearsay from folks trying to figure out his dry spell, in fairness to Salo he hasn't given any excuses, not sure if he's been directly asked about this recently.

Wasn't given anything to work with in the 25 minutes he got on Sunday, much like HRK didn't get much to work with in the first 65.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 17, 2017, 05:51:55 PM
How about we wait until we give him decent service before we right him off ?

He scored 3 against Swansea all from excellent crosses, how many times have we put decent balls into him since ?

If he was missing 5-10 chances a game then right him off but as he's hardly get any chances in a game bit unfair to right him off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 17, 2017, 05:53:44 PM
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/V-conejo/rondon.jpg)

illustration of what it's like to be a striker at west brom right now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 17, 2017, 05:54:23 PM
My opinion is that on his day, he seems to be able to hold the ball up and outmuscle defenders, bringing others into play. He hasn't been in form at all in 2017, hasn't scored in 18 games now and everything he touches seems to either bounce off him or go out for a throw-in.

First it was issues with his family, then he was tired from playing international games, tired from travelling, now there are other personal issues that are supposedly stopping him from playing well. It's funny how we didn't hear the excuses when he was playing well and scoring. Now all we hear are off the field issues being the cause of his recent performances. It's becoming a bit tiresome.
The highlighted part is surely what a good centre forward in the Pulis mould is expected to do. He is therefore capable of being a good footballer, as you say. So it is not his ability that is in question, there must be some other reason for his dip in form, no? The "excuses" as you refer to them are just people trying to find out why his form has dipped and explain it. You may find this tiresome, but others may find your constant slating of him at least as tiresome
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on April 17, 2017, 06:44:35 PM
(http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg260/V-conejo/rondon.jpg)

illustration of what it's like to be a striker at west brom right now
That just shows how useless Rondon is, there's only 8 Liverpool players within 10 yards of him plus a goalkeeper and he still didn't score.  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 17, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
That just shows how useless Rondon is, there's only 8 Liverpool players within 10 yards of him plus a goalkeeper and he still didn't score.  :o
Haha, yep, hopeless
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on April 17, 2017, 06:50:34 PM
That just shows how useless Rondon is, there's only 8 Liverpool players within 10 yards of him plus a goalkeeper and he still didn't score.  :o
All he had to do was lay it off to Morrison who would have had a clear shot on goal!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on April 17, 2017, 06:53:03 PM
All he had to do was lay it off to Morrison who would have had a clear shot on goal!!

Brunt was in a better position! Jimmy virtually standing next to him!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 17, 2017, 07:05:32 PM
Brunt was in a better position! Jimmy virtually standing next to him!
Yes, unmarked, poor from Rondon not to pick him out. If he spent less time looking at the ball, and more time looking for a team mate to pass to, all our problems would be solved  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 17, 2017, 07:43:00 PM
My opinion is that on his day, he seems to be able to hold the ball up and outmuscle defenders, bringing others into play. He hasn't been in form at all in 2017, hasn't scored in 18 games now and everything he touches seems to either bounce off him or go out for a throw-in.

First it was issues with his family, then he was tired from playing international games, tired from travelling, now there are other personal issues that are supposedly stopping him from playing well. It's funny how we didn't hear the excuses when he was playing well and scoring. Now all we hear are off the field issues being the cause of his recent performances. It's becoming a bit tiresome.

Make your mind up, one minute your saying hes just not a very good footballer at all then your next post your saying on his day he's this and that.... which one do you think?

Before talking anymore nonsense please see the image that vrabbit posted... he has 5 of his team mates pretty much standing there from a distance watching him (morrison being closest and even he is behind a liverpool player).... that's not a one off... that's nearly every time he has the ball in that area of the pitch (when we actually find a way of getting the ball to him).

What do you expect from him? if he could find a way of shrugging off the 4 liverpool players and scoring on his own and did that regular against all our opponents... do you think he would be playing in a west brom shirt?

Fair enough, some of his shots are questionable and he should have more goals but people are expecting miracles from him (and robson kanu when he plays).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on April 17, 2017, 08:30:59 PM
Anyone blaming Rondon for our lack of goals simply doesn't understand football. I can't remember the last decent chance we created for him, he missed 3 or 4 good chances around December time - including against Swansea who he went on to score a hat trick against - but since then he's literally had less than 10 half-chances.

What we need is a striker who can create chances for himself, similar to how Odemwingie did, because they won't have any support from the 10 man defence behind them. However, they will also need to be 6-foot-2 and amazing in the air so they can control the aimless hoofs up to them. Oh, and they also need to be fast enough to outpace the opposition defence and dribble past them all on their own. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on April 17, 2017, 08:47:30 PM
Sell him to China in the summer 30 milion bite there hands of 2 seasons now and ain't cut it . Every game now 1st down the tunnel  soon as final whistle he just ain't good enough .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 17, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
Anyone blaming Rondon for our lack of goals simply doesn't understand football. I can't remember the last decent chance we created for him, he missed 3 or 4 good chances around December time - including against Swansea who he went on to score a hat trick against - but since then he's literally had less than 10 half-chances.

What we need is a striker who can create chances for himself, similar to how Odemwingie did, because they won't have any support from the 10 man defence behind them. However, they will also need to be 6-foot-2 and amazing in the air so they can control the aimless hoofs up to them. Oh, and they also need to be fast enough to outpace the opposition defence and dribble past them all on their own.

Well said. Our problems in front of goal are coming from a lack of chances which is coming from a lack of possession.

its a combination of our central midfielders and the general defensive tactics which is causing us to have a pretty hopeless goal scoring season from open play (along with last season).

Id much rather we spent £20 million on a high quality central midfielder at this stage. We have all seen what Rondon Chadli and Phillips can (and have done) when we are controlling a football match

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 17, 2017, 08:54:57 PM
This idea of him being first down the tunnel? Well firstly yesterday Livermore was first down the tunnel and secondly it has no bearing on his footballing ability.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 17, 2017, 09:03:40 PM
The highlighted part is surely what a good centre forward in the Pulis mould is expected to do. He is therefore capable of being a good footballer, as you say. So it is not his ability that is in question, there must be some other reason for his dip in form, no? The "excuses" as you refer to them are just people trying to find out why his form has dipped and explain it. You may find this tiresome, but others may find your constant slating of him at least as tiresome

Wouldn't say it's constant slating from me at all. When his form picks up, or heaven forbid he manages to score a goal, I'll rightly praise him. At the moment he's not playing well and is rightly getting some criticism, and not just from me either. Even TP has started leaving him out of the starting 11.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on April 17, 2017, 09:04:51 PM
Last few games he has been . Take away the hatrick he got against a poor Swansea team that would be 4 goals all season no more excuses .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 17, 2017, 09:06:51 PM
Wouldn't say it's constant slating from me at all. When his form picks up, or heaven forbid he manages to score a goal, I'll rightly praise him. At the moment he's not playing well and is rightly getting some criticism, and not just from me either. Even TP has started leaving him out of the starting 11.


Totally agree with Tim when I see a new post has been added to this thread I invariably expect it to be from you.


Constant over the top and usually badly thought out criticism.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 17, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Make your mind up, one minute your saying hes just not a very good footballer at all then your next post your saying on his day he's this and that.... which one do you think?

Before talking anymore nonsense please see the image that vrabbit posted... he has 5 of his team mates pretty much standing there from a distance watching him (morrison being closest and even he is behind a liverpool player).... that's not a one off... that's nearly every time he has the ball in that area of the pitch (when we actually find a way of getting the ball to him).

What do you expect from him? if he could find a way of shrugging off the 4 liverpool players and scoring on his own and did that regular against all our opponents... do you think he would be playing in a west brom shirt?

Fair enough, some of his shots are questionable and he should have more goals but people are expecting miracles from him (and robson kanu when he plays).

Nonsense... hmmm ok.

What I expect as a lone striker is the ability to hold off defenders and control the ball. That has to be his main attribute. More often than not the ball comes straight back at us after bouncing off him. Also wouldn't mind a goal. To not score in 18 games and suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about is nonsense.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 17, 2017, 09:11:03 PM

Totally agree with Tim when I see a new post has been added to this thread I invariably expect it to be from you.


Constant over the top and usually badly thought out criticism.

A bit like with Fletcher and Dawson?

I've got my opinion and you have yours. Have a read of this thread and listen to the fans at the game and you'll see it's not just me that thinks he's playing poorly.

I actually rated Rondon at the start of this season, but for me has gone totally off the boil.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on April 17, 2017, 09:11:36 PM
Well said. Our problems in front of goal are coming from a lack of chances which is coming from a lack of possession.

its a combination of our central midfielders and the general defensive tactics which is causing us to have a pretty hopeless goal scoring season from open play (along with last season).

Id much rather we spent £20 million on a high quality central midfielder at this stage. We have all seen what Rondon Chadli and Phillips can (and have done) when we are controlling a football match

I agree we need a top quality central midfield player and one who can pick a pass. I have a horrible feeling right to the pit of my stomach that the yacob Livermore fletcher combination that we saw yesterday will be what we are watching next season .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on April 17, 2017, 09:17:55 PM
Rondon and the club are finished. He has not trained properly for months and now refuses to train properly at all on a day to day basis. On the way out of the dressing room against Liverpool he refused to take his match shirt with him and threw it back at the coaching team saying I aint taking that shirt with me. He has actively said he wants to go to China and now has his heart set on it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 17, 2017, 09:19:52 PM
Nonsense... hmmm ok.

What I expect as a lone striker is the ability to hold off defenders and control the ball. That has to be his main attribute. More often than not the ball comes straight back at us after bouncing off him. Also wouldn't mind a goal. To not score in 18 games and suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about is nonsense.

Please suggest another player, that is in our price range that you think would be willing to come to us.... that would do better than rondon in the way we play and that would be able to create chances from nothing himself and score the goals?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 17, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
Wouldn't say it's constant slating from me at all. When his form picks up, or heaven forbid he manages to score a goal, I'll rightly praise him. At the moment he's not playing well and is rightly getting some criticism, and not just from me either. Even TP has started leaving him out of the starting 11.

that solved the scoring problems, didn't it.

Oh, wait ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 17, 2017, 09:24:20 PM
that solved the scoring problems, didn't it.

Oh, wait ...

Was about to say the same.

Said we need to score goals so plays fletcher, yacob and livermore in the same game  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 17, 2017, 09:25:01 PM
Rondon and the club are finished. He has not trained properly for months and now refuses to train properly at all on a day to day basis. On the way out of the dressing room against Liverpool he refused to take his match shirt with him and threw it back at the coaching team saying I aint taking that shirt with me. He has actively said he wants to go to China and now has his heart set on it.

If that's right then F--K him OFF. I really thought he could help us move up the table before all this move to China talk  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 17, 2017, 09:30:40 PM
Rondon and the club are finished. He has not trained properly for months and now refuses to train properly at all on a day to day basis. On the way out of the dressing room against Liverpool he refused to take his match shirt with him and threw it back at the coaching team saying I aint taking that shirt with me. He has actively said he wants to go to China and now has his heart set on it.

would love a source on this
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on April 17, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
would love a source on this

Usually Baggie79 is very good with his posts so I trust what he says, down the years his predictions/statements have been good.

What I would say is that if it's true, I am disappointed in Rondon's attitude but at the same time I can understand his desire to go to China. He's an average Premier League striker and at age 28 will get no better from here. Realistically we are his level, he's not good enough for any team above but isn't awful either. He won't win anything but could make 5 times his wages in China. He's from Venezuela where it's dirt poor and can make stupid amounts of money.

I just wish if it's true that he'd see out the rest of the season and try to get at least another goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 17, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
would love a source on this
That poster has been the number one source of information on here for years , I've never known him be wrong which saddens me as a Rondon fan.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on April 17, 2017, 09:44:56 PM
I know Baggie79 very well and as such I can agree that any information shared is in good faith and is well informed. Feel free to take any information on social media as you please, but there are literally only a handful of posters that I would trust, Baggie79 being one of them. Other than that, I just don't think Rondon is good enough anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 17, 2017, 10:06:56 PM
If this is true, the man is a complete twonk, and should not be chosen again. Share the role between HRK and Phillips for the remaining matches.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 17, 2017, 10:07:50 PM
oh, I wasn't aware of Baggie79's reputation  :(

I really hope he's wrong this time around, what he's saying about Rondon is 100% the opposite of what I know him to be.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: rajesh-wba on April 17, 2017, 10:09:08 PM
If Tianjin Quanjian come back with a £32million offer, I think most would sell.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on April 17, 2017, 10:29:30 PM
So if true and i know 79 is usually bang on, that is yet another striker who as had his head turned by £££££s and that makes him as bad as the other two who went before him who thought they were better than they actually are, it's about time all us football fans realised there is no loyalty from players they are only out for themselves what really winds me up though is that they are paid a bloody lot of money to do a job and if they refuse to do their Job they should be sacked just like we would if we refused to do our jobs !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 17, 2017, 10:36:38 PM
I'm surprised by what Baggie79 says but know he has provided correct info in the past. The Ben Garner comments in the week didn't hint at any huge issue but if the throwing the shirt episode against Liverpool is correct then it's probably escalated things.....surprised he came on at all on Sunday if the shirt throwing rumour is true.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on April 17, 2017, 10:41:31 PM
Very disappointing news and explains a lot. Good job we had a good 1st half of the season otherwise it could have been disaster. Move him on, get the best possible cash & find a new hero to lead the line. Very sad indeed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on April 17, 2017, 10:43:36 PM
I'm surprised by what Baggie79 says but know he has provided correct info in the past. The Ben Garner comments in the week didn't hint at any huge issue but if the throwing the shirt episode against Liverpool is correct then it's probably escalated things.....surprised he came on at all on Sunday if the shirt throwing rumour is true.
I heard Ray Hughton on talk sport on the way to the game on Sunday  say there was something going on behind the scenes with Rondon but it went in one ear and out the other!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 17, 2017, 11:48:06 PM
Like many i trust Baggie79, very reliable.

Just emphasises the folly by the club back in January of effectively having one striker, particularly if it is true that JW said they were not actively looking for a striker during that transfer window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on April 18, 2017, 12:16:47 AM
I've never thought Rondon was the finished article,as his close ball control is not great, and his shooting, though powerful, is too often inaccurate. He also snatches at the chances that do come his way rather than being clinical in front of goal.
However, it is nearly always one against at least 3 or 4 determined opponents. You'd have to be someone fairly special, as a target man, to shrug off those and get shots or accurate passes away. HRK had exactly the same problem on Sunday. And if we brought in a new striker, you'd get the same problem again. The system we play relies on one very isolated striker with very inadequate support. Because the team plays so deep, and everyone has to track back, the closest players are too distant when the pass gets fired up to the target man. We played 3 mainly defensive midfielders v Liverpool, with only Phillips and Chadli as attacking midfielders, who are themselves expected to track back. Dawson and Brunt got forward in bursts, but they had mainly defensive duties.

Although I agree that we could do better than Rondon, and should look for an upgrade, I have some sympathy for him because of the role he has to play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on April 18, 2017, 12:19:13 AM
Can't say I blame the lad in all fairness another season of being the lone striker in a Pulis set up would put him in the knackers yard.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on April 18, 2017, 12:40:05 AM
The best quality players always seem to make things happen for themselves if they have to, and definitely make the best of half chances:

https://vimeo.com/25599661

I'm never confident that Rondon can get a goal out of a half chance. The bloke linked above could.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on April 18, 2017, 01:02:03 AM
The best quality players always seem to make things happen for themselves if they have to, and definitely make the best of half chances:

https://vimeo.com/25599661
I'm never confident that Rondon can get a goal out of a half chance. The bloke linked above could.

I agree. But Odemwingie was never asked to play target man in a Pulis team formation. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on April 18, 2017, 01:11:57 AM
Odemwingie was never asked to play target man in a Pulis team formation.

Absolutely a fair comment. I can only comment the way I see things myself though. I think we can do better, all things considered, with the funds that we bring in due to being in this league. I consider it a failure on the part of the scouting department etc if we don't have a real quality striker at the club at the start of next season. No excuses not to at this point really.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 18, 2017, 01:18:38 AM
Absolutely a fair comment. I can only comment the way I see things myself though. I think we can do better, all things considered, with the funds that we bring in due to being in this league. I consider it a failure on the part of the scouting department etc if we don't have a real quality striker at the club at the start of next season. No excuses not to at this point really.

do you think Lukaku would be as successful now with Pulis as he was 4 years ago with Clarke?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on April 18, 2017, 01:37:08 AM
do you think Lukaku would be as successful now with Pulis as he was 4 years ago with Clarke?

No, I don't. But I think he would have been successful to some degree. We will never know one way or the other, but as I suggested above, some players have the ability to make the best of what they're given on the pitch. Half chances etc etc. Rondon struggles to look good even when he does get good chances. I would suggest that Lukaku would have scored more goals than Rondon in our system though. Just because he's more hungry and a better striker, really. As I've said before, I like Rondon generally and the effort he puts in, I just don't think he's that good though as a Premier League striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on April 18, 2017, 01:37:41 AM
I hope this last month has convinced the club's management that we cannot ever allow ourselves to have just two strikers, especially with one of them out of his depth at this level.  We have been an injury away from being highly embarrassed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on April 18, 2017, 01:40:11 AM
So if true and i know 79 is usually bang on, that is yet another striker who as had his head turned by £££££s and that makes him as bad as the other two who went before him who thought they were better than they actually are, it's about time all us football fans realised there is no loyalty from players they are only out for themselves what really winds me up though is that they are paid a bloody lot of money to do a job and if they refuse to do their Job they should be sacked just like we would if we refused to do our jobs !

Not sure that you've thought that through.  Sacking a player means that the club gives up the right to receive a transfer fee, meaning that the player can ask for a much bigger signing-on fee from another club.  There's always a club somewhere who will gamble on taking a troublemaker on a free transfer!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 18, 2017, 02:23:38 AM
No, I don't. But I think he would have been successful to some degree. We will never know one way or the other, but as I suggested above, some players have the ability to make the best of what they're given on the pitch. Half chances etc etc. Rondon struggles to look good even when he does get good chances. I would suggest that Lukaku would have scored more goals than Rondon in our system though. Just because he's more hungry and a better striker, really. As I've said before, I like Rondon generally and the effort he puts in, I just don't think he's that good though as a Premier League striker.

We agree on multiple points. I don't think Lukaku would be as successful under TP as he was under Clarke. I also agree he would had been successful to some degree and that he would had scored more than Salo because he's undoubtedly a better striker.

Where I slightly disagree with you is your harsh take on Rondon. The reason I asked about the Lukaku comparison was to highlight the difficulties of playing as the (usually lone) striker in TP's system. Rondon wasn't your record signing just for fun, he came in with a solid scoring record over an extended period of time. Granted defenders in Russia don't compare to what you face in the BPL but his scoring record extends to UEL, Champions', and La Liga as a youngster (with that high-scoring machine known as Malaga ...). I thought he had a solid year last season considering it was his first and can't have been the only one who thought his hat-trick in December was a sign of good things to come this season. I would reserve judgement on him as a PL striker till he gets a chance in a different system that isn't a purgatory for forwards.

Then again if 79 is right I'll be the first one to slam Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aixelsyd on April 18, 2017, 05:12:39 AM
Rondon and the club are finished. He has not trained properly for months and now refuses to train properly at all on a day to day basis. On the way out of the dressing room against Liverpool he refused to take his match shirt with him and threw it back at the coaching team saying I aint taking that shirt with me. He has actively said he wants to go to China and now has his heart set on it.

I'm not trying to defend his actions at all but South American footballers can have extra pressures on them when it comes to transfers..

If (and I say IF) he has, rightly or wrongly, people in South America possibly claiming a financial "rights" involving his contracts or transfers.

Stories have been told of players from South America, who suddenly find that a person or group, that they have never heard of/met/been involved with, suddenly starts applying pressure (possibly to family in SA) to force moves and new contract from which they privately demand a percentage...

OK I have nothing but hearsay to go on but might explain why someone who looked happy enough six months ago now seems very very out of sorts.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 18, 2017, 05:12:50 AM
Can't say I blame the lad in all fairness another season of being the lone striker in a Pulis set up would put him in the knackers yard.
Then what he should do is give 100% effort for the club, and request a transfer. That is how football has operated for nearly a hundred years. He is following the Berahino route and in this instance the club should get rid as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on April 18, 2017, 06:29:22 AM
It is to be hoped that the deal is still on the table and we can get him out of the club as quickly as possible.

 Obviously whatever the circumstances his behaviour is completely unacceptable but often players from South America have a great deal of pressure from their agents and or extended family to maximise their earnings, with zero consideration to the player or their current club.

It looks like we are looking for two strikers in the summer but we should get a decent fee for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 18, 2017, 06:39:34 AM
Can't say I blame the lad in all fairness another season of being the lone striker in a Pulis set up would put him in the knackers yard.

Something else that is all down to Pulis?
Rondon was happy enough to come here and take the money, buying into how Pulis wanted him to play.
He's heard or been offered a crack at China where he can treble his money, his heads been turned.
He has to go.
He can play in a Pulis system as he demonstrated before the January transfer window.
When he's on the pitch who's been the first player straight down the tunnel at the end of the game recently?
He's had a strop, and as 'the fat boy' demonstrated once they start that you might as well get as good a price as you can and get shut.
Thanks for the goals Ron, but you were paid well enough for them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 18, 2017, 07:51:21 AM
Oh dear.. And everyone thought I was over-reacting, turns out there are issues. How opinions change over night. Big summer ahead then
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 18, 2017, 08:09:26 AM
Heard the same about him from people at the match on Sunday but didn't pay much attention to it, there were some other things I was told about issues with his family and all added together would certainly explain why his heads been gone for a while.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 18, 2017, 08:13:54 AM
Footballers and the game in general has lost its appeal, ungreatful sod. in saying this what striker is going to be successful in a tony pulis set up, he seems to squeeze the life out of you
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on April 18, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
Not sure that you've thought that through.  Sacking a player means that the club gives up the right to receive a transfer fee, meaning that the player can ask for a much bigger signing-on fee from another club.  There's always a club somewhere who will gamble on taking a troublemaker on a free transfer!
Of course i thought it through, this is the problem the players know they won't be sacked because of the reasons you say, that's why they do what they do, they should be sacked but the club who sack them should be allowed to keep their registration for the remainder of the contract and stop them playing for anyone else!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 18, 2017, 08:21:23 AM
Footballers and the game in general has lost its appeal, ungreatful sod. in saying this what striker is going to be successful in a tony pulis set up, he seems to squeeze the life out of you

To be fair he seemed to be doing well enough until December/January time, where I imagine this issue began. The way Pulis sets up may well not help the strikers, but I'm not sure him having his head turned and failing to put the chances he does get away is solely down to the way Pulis sets up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 18, 2017, 08:37:35 AM
To be fair he seemed to be doing well enough until December/January time, where I imagine this issue began. The way Pulis sets up may well not help the strikers, but I'm not sure him having his head turned and failing to put the chances he does get away is solely down to the way Pulis sets up.

Agree, he also scored more last season in a less attacking side which suggests to me that the problem is with Rondon rather than anyone else.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 18, 2017, 09:23:07 AM
Rondon and the club are finished. He has not trained properly for months and now refuses to train properly at all on a day to day basis. On the way out of the dressing room against Liverpool he refused to take his match shirt with him and threw it back at the coaching team saying I aint taking that shirt with me. He has actively said he wants to go to China and now has his heart set on it.

This is utter utter nonsense.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 18, 2017, 09:29:48 AM
oh, I wasn't aware of Baggie79's reputation  :(

I call it a misconception. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 18, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
This is utter utter nonsense.
And you know this because?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 18, 2017, 10:56:28 AM
The best quality players always seem to make things happen for themselves if they have to, and definitely make the best of half chances:

https://vimeo.com/25599661

I'm never confident that Rondon can get a goal out of a half chance. The bloke linked above could.

Shooting Star.
He did the business for us for one season thats for sure but was rubbish after.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 18, 2017, 11:34:19 AM
This is utter utter nonsense.   


Couldn't agree more. Baggie79 has been correct in the past but its few and far between last couple of years and the episode on the Derby site baiting their fans over Thorne was PO on the Guinness type stuff.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on April 18, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
This is utter utter nonsense.
Does seem strange that he would be allowed to come off the bench if he had initially refused the shirt.
Truth is probably somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on April 18, 2017, 11:55:01 AM
It would explain why he has not been the same since January.

If the offer still stands for him from China then we have to sell him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 18, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
Shooting Star.
He did the business for us for one season thats for sure but was rubbish after.

Odemwingie was good for us for 2 season, he scored 15 in his first season and 10 in the second while playing out wide mostly. It was only in his 3rd season he lost the plot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 18, 2017, 12:42:27 PM
Odemwingie was good for us for 2 season, he scored 15 in his first season and 10 in the second while playing out wide mostly. It was only in his 3rd season he lost the plot.

He's the type of player we could do with now that's for sure
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrvulgarity on April 18, 2017, 01:10:05 PM
just put McAuley up front. Sorted :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 18, 2017, 01:13:53 PM
So because baggie79 said so, you all want him gone asap?

Like Jacko said, his facts are few and far between lately and it should be took with a pinch of salt until we know the facts.

He ain't the greatest striker in the premier league, hence the reason he plays for us.... but in a typical pulis set up, feeding off scraps with barely any service.... I feel that even the likes of lukaku and odemwingie wouldn't have got as many goals as they did for us.

Hard to believe pulis would even let him come on as a sub if he acted how 79 said so... we all know how stubborn pulis IS with players he dislikes or players that step out of line.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on April 18, 2017, 03:02:07 PM
This is utter utter nonsense.

It's strange you would be so sure about this. I was a hospitality guest of a member of the backroom team who after the game shared this information rightly or wrongly with our group, he is present at every team talk and I know what he said is gospel and undoubted. If you were present at the team talk I apologize in advance for your superior vantage point.

A couple of pics to prove I was there not that it should be needed.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2cposv5.jpg)

Mr Evans

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2pqvpjb.jpg)

Me after several glasses of champers, wine and beers. Excuse the appearance I hadn't been to bed for a couple of days.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on April 18, 2017, 03:08:12 PM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2pqvpjb.jpg)

Me after several glasses of champers, wine and beers. Excuse the appearance I hadn't been to bed for a couple of days.

I'd stay off the booze and get some kip if I were you chap  ;D ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on April 18, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
It's strange you would be so sure about this. I was a hospitality guest of a member of the backroom team who after the game shared this information rightly or wrongly with our group, he is present at every team talk and I know what he said is gospel and undoubted. If you were present at the team talk I apologize in advance for your superior vantage point.

A couple of pics to prove I was there not that it should be needed.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2cposv5.jpg)

Mr Evans

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2pqvpjb.jpg)

Me after several glasses of champers, wine and beers. Excuse the appearance I hadn't been to bed for a couple of days.
When you say it's gospel, do you mean that it's gospel he told you or gospel that it happened? Could he have been sensationalising a bit, playing to the crowd?
If it is true then it is shocking, but strange that he would still play a part in the game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 18, 2017, 03:32:52 PM
When you say it's gospel, do you mean that it's gospel he told you or gospel that it happened? Could he have been sensationalising a bit, playing to the crowd?
If it is true then it is shocking, but strange that he would still play a part in the game.

Does seem strange, but maybe we didn't have anyone else to replace him on the day? Also would have been lots more speculation, rumours and questions asked if he was suddenly withdrawn from the squad
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on April 18, 2017, 03:44:01 PM
So because baggie79 said so, you all want him gone asap?

Like Jacko said, his facts are few and far between lately and it should be took with a pinch of salt until we know the facts.

He ain't the greatest striker in the premier league, hence the reason he plays for us.... but in a typical pulis set up, feeding off scraps with barely any service.... I feel that even the likes of lukaku and odemwingie wouldn't have got as many goals as they did for us.

Hard to believe pulis would even let him come on as a sub if he acted how 79 said so... we all know how stubborn pulis IS with players he dislikes or players that step out of line.

If Baggie79 says this happened im very likely to believe it if im honest, his posts have always been spot on

You can choose not to believe but dont run someone down who is sharing this information with us
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 18, 2017, 04:57:57 PM
If Baggie79 says this happened im very likely to believe it if im honest, his posts have always been spot on

You can choose not to believe but dont run someone down who is sharing this information with us

Who's running who down?

I'm just saying it should be took with a pinch of salt until we have actual proof/evidence instead of running rondon down when no one on here knows the full story of whats going on (unless rondon or pulis are on here in disguise)  ;D

It's just my opinion that's all.

Baggie79 said himself  -  "I was a hospitality guest of a member of the backroom team who after the game shared this information rightly or wrongly with our group"

So although he has claimed Rondon and the club are finished, that assumption is based on a rumor that was passed on by someone else...

Didn't mean any offence with my comment, it just sounds complete nonsense... like i said, there is no way pulis would give him any minutes in that game if he had done such thing, we all know how stubborn pulis is... with the lack of minutes HRK has had this season there is no reason he couldn't have played 90 mins either if pulis and rondon had a disagreement.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on April 18, 2017, 05:24:56 PM
Assuming the shirt thing is correct, No-one but Salomon Rondon knows why he was inebriated off,

I can imagine that knowing a contingent of his compatriots were in the crowd to see him, he was mighty inebriated off to not be plying from the off. Maybe just maybe thats whats behind the incident.

That said TP & the club will be attempting to keep this under wraps (what ever is driving it) as it can only deflate SR's value IMO.

Will be hard to replace if he goes, Big, Premier League Experience, can hold the ball up, want to play in a Pulis team, want to play for WBAFC = a very small pool to be fishing in (x2 or x3)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 18, 2017, 05:31:10 PM
I hope 79 was given false info. I'm going to ride or die with what I've known about Rondon all these years, and that is that he is a friendly and kind person that nobody has publicly ever said anything bad about. The incident being discussed is completely out of character from the Rondon I've seen all these years. Even when Russian football rules changed and forced him out of game sheets he never acted like a diva. I'm even starting to buy into the conspiracy theory that Aixelsyd is selling. That would play along the lines of something back home disturbing him and if something so big is going on then that may explain the out of character behavior.

I sure hope 79 was given false info.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 18, 2017, 05:54:51 PM
Odemwingie was good for us for 2 season, he scored 15 in his first season and 10 in the second while playing out wide mostly. It was only in his 3rd season he lost the plot.

Thats what i meant his went down hill after his 1st season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 18, 2017, 05:58:38 PM
another thing that's buggging me is that If 79 wasn't given false info and Rondon is really throwing tantrums like that then WBA being part of a "football experience" that's scheduled to take place in Venezuela next month surely comes at a very weird time. I keep trying to find an article in English but only Venezuelan media seems to be covering it.

http://www.liderendeportes.com/noticias/futbol/entrenadores-de-la-premier-dictaran-taller-en-vene.aspx

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Del 24 al 29 de abril de 2017, Venezuela recibirá “The Great Football Experience”, un programa piloto en desarrollo comunitario y promoción del fútbol base en el país, que contará con el apoyo de la Premier League, la liga profesional de fútbol del Reino Unido.

“The Great Football Experience” es una iniciativa conjunta de la Embajada Británica en Caracas, el British Council de Venezuela, la Premier League, el equipo profesional West Bromwich Albion FC (donde juega el futbolista venezolano Salomón Rondón) y la organización no gubernamental Deporte para el Desarrollo.

Como parte del programa, los entrenadores británicos Adam Lea (de la Premier League), Lee Meacham y Chloe Kate Harper (del West Bromwich Albion FC) dictarán un taller para entrenadores comunitarios que beneficiará a 36 instructores venezolanos, procedentes de la Federación Venezolana de Fútbol (FVF), clubes profesionales, y organizaciones deportivas enfocadas en el trabajo social en zonas de vulnerabilidad.

El programa se iniciará el 24 de abril con un evento de lanzamiento en la Residencia Oficial del Embajador Británico, seguido de cuatro días continuos de capacitación deportiva para los técnicos venezolanos.

“The GREAT Football Experience” se clausurará el sábado 29 de abril con el torneo “Fútbol sin Fronteras”, en el Estadio Olímpico de la Universidad Central de Venezuela (UCV), con la participación de aproximadamente 100 niños de comunidades de bajos recursos."

In summary, something called "The Great Football Experience" will be happening in Caracas (Venezuela) from April 24th through the 29th. "The Great Football Experience" is sold as some kind of pilot program in community development and promoting of football in the country and it is said to count on the support of the Premier League. "The Great Football Experience" was created jointly by the British Embassy in Caracas, the British Council of Venezuela, the PL, and West Brom, along with non-government Venezuelan organization.

That article goes on to state that as part of the program British coaches named Lee Meacham (WBA sports development coach) and Chloe Kate Harper (can't find anything on him) from WBA and Adam Lea (can't figure out who that is) will direct some sort of workshop for community trainers that will benefit 36 Venezuelan instructors from the FVF (Venezuelan FA), professional clubs, and sports organizations focusing on social work in vulnerable areas. The event is set to launch on the 24th at the residency of the British Ambassador and come to a conclusion on the 29th with a tourney (I assume football) in which approximately 100 kids from low-income communities will participate.
________________________________

Assuming this is actually a thing surely this all came to happen due to Rondon's presence at WBA,which makes it so odd that an event like that would be happening at the same time Rondon is "not training properly for months", "refusing to train properly at all on a day to day basis", and "refusing to take his match shirt and throwin it back at the coaching team saying he's not taking that shirt with him" as well as "actively saying he wants to go to China".

Bizarre bizarre bizarre
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on April 18, 2017, 06:20:59 PM
Rondon looked quite happy in the mini series when he was pratting around with Yacob. will be difficult to keep this under wraps if its true but they kept the Berahino drug incident quiet. think he's inebriated of both with his own form and not getting the deal to China.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 19, 2017, 12:03:38 PM
If Baggie79 says this happened im very likely to believe it if im honest, his posts have always been spot on

You can choose not to believe but dont run someone down who is sharing this information with us
Who is running anyone down, as for always spot on - do me a favour.

Everything that is being said about Rondon contradicts everything I have been told about him by someone who worked close to the first team up until recently.

Furthermore Pulis was highly complimentary about him only a week or so ago, which absolutely did not sound like lip service to me.  Garner was also  in the local press last week saying how Rondon has been back to his bubbly self after his family issues had improved.  No straight bats, no smoke screens, both comments seemed genuine.  Therefore I don't buy it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 19, 2017, 12:25:19 PM
Who is running anyone down, as for always spot on - do me a favour.

Everything that is being said about Rondon contradicts everything I have been told about him by someone who worked close to the first team up until recently.

Furthermore Pulis was highly complimentary about him only a week or so ago, which absolutely did not sound like lip service to me.  Garner was also  in the local press last week saying how Rondon has been back to his bubbly self after his family issues had improved.  No straight bats, no smoke screens, both comments seemed genuine.  Therefore I don't buy it.
As a Rondon fan i hope you are right , that said the club did similiar with the Saido saga up until he left.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on April 19, 2017, 12:29:55 PM
With any player the club are hardly going to tell the world what a shithouse a player is if they are going to try and sell them are they? Pulis kept saying how Berahino was great around the place and a smashing lad while he was serving a drug ban. Something is wrong with Rondon and facts are he hasn't scored since the interest from China came.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on April 19, 2017, 12:32:52 PM
Who is running anyone down, as for always spot on - do me a favour.

Everything that is being said about Rondon contradicts everything I have been told about him by someone who worked close to the first team up until recently.

Furthermore Pulis was highly complimentary about him only a week or so ago, which absolutely did not sound like lip service to me.  Garner was also  in the local press last week saying how Rondon has been back to his bubbly self after his family issues had improved.  No straight bats, no smoke screens, both comments seemed genuine.  Therefore I don't buy it.

He was complimentary about Berahino too....we all know how that turned out

Like I said, I know Baggie 79 personally and know that the information he shares is pretty much spot on everytime.

You dont have to believe him but by saying what yourself and others have you are in my eyes running him down.



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on April 19, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
If its true his head has been turned by the money from China and we get a similar offer in the summer to what we received in January then we have to sell. I get the impression the club wanted to sell anyway this summer to be perfectly honest with you. Rondon is probably on around 70 grand a week to score goals and he hasnt done that since December. I know people hit form and dip out of it but he drops in form so much its beyond frustrating. I can see him being sold for big money in the summer which will then hopefully go towards funding his replacement. If his head has been turned by the money i totally understand as the money is madness over there but it goes to tell you alot about a person. Like i said before he is probably on around 70k a week (nothing compared to China but still a stupid amount of money) here and playing in the best league in the world and he wants to throw that away to move to a country with no history in the sport for money. For that Rondon you can jog on for me and we will get someone in who appreciates they are playing in the best league in the world for a club going places.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 19, 2017, 02:07:53 PM
He was complimentary about Berahino too....we all know how that turned out

You dont have to believe him but by saying what yourself and others have you are in my eyes running him down.

Well there must be some very thin skinned people on here if that is deemed as running someone down.

As for Berahino Pulis was not complimentary about him during his last 6 months, listen to his comments and press conferences, he played the Berahino situation with a straight bat every time, 'he needs to get fit' was the usual response.   Looking at his comments on Saido and Rondon and you'll find he is positively gushing over Rondon in comparison.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on April 19, 2017, 02:17:01 PM
He seems like a good guy to me, his confidence has hit rock bottom though. It's a shame because a few months ago he was looking a really good player for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on April 19, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
Well there must be some very thin skinned people on here if that is deemed as running someone down.

As for Berahino Pulis was not complimentary about him during his last 6 months, listen to his comments and press conferences, he played the Berahino situation with a straight bat every time, 'he needs to get fit' was the usual response.   Looking at his comments on Saido and Rondon and you'll find he is positively gushing over Rondon in comparison.

Then I'm thin skinned  ::)

And he was very complimentary about Berahino as others have also said
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 19, 2017, 03:03:23 PM
Then I'm thin skinned  ::)

And he was very complimentary about Berahino as others have also said

And no he wasn't.  Not when s**t hit the pan with him (last 6 months) "Saido needs to get fit" was his standard response, nothing like how he talks about Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on April 19, 2017, 03:23:33 PM
Well obviously, probably why most of the guys I go up with have been banned off this site over the last 12 months but that's another issue I guess.
And no he wasn't.  Not when s**t hit the pan with him (last 6 months) "Saido needs to get fit" was his standard response, nothing like how he talks about Rondon.

And I totally disagree with you on Berahino, saido needs to get fit was one comment, there were other comments from Pulis about Berahino which were very praising indeed. Lets forget he said those though hey?



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on April 19, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
wouldn't it be harder to sell him for a huge some now anyway, might be wrong but I  thought the Chinese introduced a cap on foreign players and only they would offer £32 m for a striker whose form is so poor.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 19, 2017, 07:26:43 PM
He was complimentary about Berahino too....we all know how that turned out

Like I said, I know Baggie 79 personally and know that the information he shares is pretty much spot on everytime.

You dont have to believe him but by saying what yourself and others have you are in my eyes running him down.

Baggie79 said himself its what he heard from someone else... rightly or wrongly.

Therefore should we NOT run rondon down before we know exactly whats going on?  ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on April 19, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
I believe every word 79 has said it fits . 1st down the tunnel at final whistle body language looks all wrong . Not starting games Why don't he get his head down till end of the season score some goals with pulis knowing he wants to go in the summer . While all kept in house .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 19, 2017, 08:07:48 PM
I believe every word 79 has said it fits . 1st down the tunnel at final whistle body language looks all wrong . Not starting games Why don't he get his head down till end of the season score some goals with pulis knowing he wants to go in the summer . While all kept in house .


No he wasn't, it was Livermore...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 19, 2017, 08:09:01 PM
I can't believe some members questing Baggie79 integrity, he is a poster whose post's over the years i have enjoyed reading.
In my opinion a long time ITK poster.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on April 19, 2017, 08:31:09 PM
Baggie79 said himself its what he heard from someone else... rightly or wrongly.

Therefore should we NOT run rondon down before we know exactly whats going on?  ???

Let me just clarify when I said rightly or wrongly I was questioning whether a member of the backroom staff should be discussing this with the general public, I wasn't questioning whether the information is correct as he is in the dressing room for all games and why would he lie?

I have had other priorities for the last year or so and haven't posted much but this got me feeling let down so I decided to post it and that's the only reason, I am a huge admirer of Rondon and will argue all day with people that he is a very very good striker but I guess things just haven't worked out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on April 19, 2017, 08:59:26 PM
Let me just clarify when I said rightly or wrongly I was questioning whether a member of the backroom staff should be discussing this with the general public, I wasn't questioning whether the information is correct as he is in the dressing room for all games and why would he lie?

I have had other priorities for the last year or so and haven't posted much but this got me feeling let down so I decided to post it and that's the only reason, I am a huge admirer of Rondon and will argue all day with people that he is a very very good striker but I guess things just haven't worked out.

Maybe this is the summer we see Rondon leave and the striking department gets a ovarhaul. Ive been told on multiple occasions by different reliable people that TP wants Benteke. Maybe Rondon will leave and Benteke could very well come in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 19, 2017, 09:17:41 PM
Let me just clarify when I said rightly or wrongly I was questioning whether a member of the backroom staff should be discussing this with the general public, I wasn't questioning whether the information is correct as he is in the dressing room for all games and why would he lie?

I have had other priorities for the last year or so and haven't posted much but this got me feeling let down so I decided to post it and that's the only reason, I am a huge admirer of Rondon and will argue all day with people that he is a very very good striker but I guess things just haven't worked out.

Cheers for sharing Mukka.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 19, 2017, 09:49:02 PM
Let me just clarify when I said rightly or wrongly I was questioning whether a member of the backroom staff should be discussing this with the general public, I wasn't questioning whether the information is correct as he is in the dressing room for all games and why would he lie?

I have had other priorities for the last year or so and haven't posted much but this got me feeling let down so I decided to post it and that's the only reason, I am a huge admirer of Rondon and will argue all day with people that he is a very very good striker but I guess things just haven't worked out.

Just my opinion that's all, it's a very strong accusation to make that 'rondon and the club are finished based on 'he said she said'.

Not trying to 'run you down', I'm just saying maybe we should see how it pans out before turning against a striker just because of what one person has said.

He don't half seem pretty happy to be at the club though all over social media considering he refused his shirt and somehow still managed to get on the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 19, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
Just my opinion that's all, it's a very strong accusation to make that 'rondon and the club are finished based on 'he said she said'.

Not trying to 'run you down', I'm just saying maybe we should see how it pans out before turning against a striker just because of what one person has said.

He don't half seem pretty happy to be at the club though all over social media considering he refused his shirt and somehow still managed to get on the pitch.

The ITK posters can't win can they, Hung if they do & hung if they dont.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 20, 2017, 12:13:10 AM
No one is disputing the veracity of the claim. The implication I am drawing is the source has an axe to grind with Albion or Rondon or that they don't know the full story.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Downunder Stripes on April 20, 2017, 03:44:45 AM
Rondon twitter account....https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_EoVQnhtkwwWjVraWluNFJiNEk
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 20, 2017, 06:31:48 AM
Looks happier off the pitch than on it, that's for sure. In my opinion, whether the tale is true or not, if we can get a good offer get rid. If his problem is the situation is the situation in Venezuela, then that ain't about to change anytime soon. Any other reason for his loss of form, and in particular his loss of appetite for the "battle" are unacceptable.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on April 20, 2017, 09:21:28 AM
My nipper was mascot on Saturday and we just got all the pictures back. Rondon's on quite a few with a big beaming smile, even had a kick about on the pitch with them before the game  and was the only one to do so, that I saw. Didn't come across as a man who had thrown his rattle out the pram.
Like I said earlier I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Maybe he was disappointed at not starting, especially if he had friends and family over for the game, and did show some frustration, but from where I sat he was fine come 3 O'clock.
If he is finished with the club I would suggest it will be down to his poor form and not one flashpoint.
If what Baggie79 was told is correct though, he will almost certainly be gone, as one thing Pulis will not tolerate is poor trainers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 20, 2017, 07:47:17 PM
Yes he could well have been frustrated/annoyed at not starting. If he did throw the shirt then I'm surprised he came on ....but maybe he made a full apology. I guess we have to see how this develops. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on April 23, 2017, 01:26:52 PM
Why is it that when rumours circulate about Berahino everyone jumps straight on him with no second thought, but when it's Saint Salomon people don't want to believe that he might not actually want to be here?

Get rid ASAP, he is hopeless.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 23, 2017, 02:01:20 PM
Why is it that when rumours circulate about Berahino everyone jumps straight on him with no second thought, but when it's Saint Salomon people don't want to believe that he might not actually want to be here?

Get rid ASAP, he is hopeless.

Because one gives his all in a difficult role, the other is a drug using scumbag only out for himself, I'll leave you to work out which is which.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on April 23, 2017, 06:59:02 PM
Why is it that when rumours circulate about Berahino everyone jumps straight on him with no second thought, but when it's Saint Salomon people don't want to believe that he might not actually want to be here?

Get rid ASAP, he is hopeless.

Have you even been reading some of the comments on here?  ???

The fact that pulis even played him tells me that the 'rumour' is probably bull... we all know how stubborn pulis is, if there was any truth in it it's hard to believe pulis would even give him any game time.... especially given the poor form he has been in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 23, 2017, 07:04:24 PM
Have you even been reading some of the comments on here?  ???

The fact that pulis even played him tells me that the 'rumour' is probably bull... we all know how stubborn pulis is, if there was any truth in it it's hard to believe pulis would even give him any game time.... especially given the poor form he has been in.
Pulis doesnt cut his nose off straight away , he needs Rondon at the minute. We'll see what happens in the Summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on April 23, 2017, 08:05:50 PM
Because one gives his all in a difficult role, the other is a drug using scumbag only out for himself, I'll leave you to work out which is which.
I'm a rondon fan but If it's true and Baggie78 has no reason to lie then I'd say if anyone was out for them selves it's rondon wanting a move to China, at least Saido was looking for a move to a bigger club when he had his paddy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 23, 2017, 08:39:39 PM
Because one gives his all in a difficult role, the other is a drug using scumbag only out for himself, I'll leave you to work out which is which.
Eloquently summed up
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 24, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
I have liked Big Ron from the off, I do believe he has or had goals in him until this interest from China popped up but i can't & will not support any player who wants out F him off. Start Leko in his place. I trust Baggie79 has a bloke who has ears close to the goings on around our team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on April 29, 2017, 09:33:38 PM
Aside from the mistake which cost us the goal, thought he was terrible again today. Won nothing against Huth and Belaouane. Seriously hope the club has some plans for at least two strikers this summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on April 29, 2017, 11:11:06 PM
Been a big rondon fan but clear to see he hasn't improved since he's been here and has ultimately been a flop. Get rid in summer and get 2 new strikers in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 30, 2017, 08:07:42 AM
Thought he started brightly and was winning his fair share against Huth; who to be fair was fouling him for most of them. Problem was we had no-one up anywhere near him for when he did win the ball. Morrison was so far away most of the time and was supposed to be our attacking midfielder.

The pass for the goal was shocking. Watched the replay and don't even know who he spotted. Thought his body language looked a bit off throughout the game too, albeit must be frustrated. Now 19 games without a goal I think and didn't look any closer to scoring yesterday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on April 30, 2017, 08:22:49 AM
Like many, I've really taken to the guy and seen flashes of what he could achieve.
I've generally supported him and gave him the benefit last season thinking he's better than what he's delivering.
However, yesterday was a watershed moment for me (similar to the Northampton game for Saudi).

I think it's time to cut our loses and get rid asap in the summer if we can.
He's not only got an appalling goal scoring record but he now offers so little threat or creativity and, crucially, seems to be getting worse!
His general demeanour likes very poor since the turn of the year.

The fans have been incredibly patient with him - few other Albion strikers would have had such a comfortable ride after such shocking form.

He still has four games to show us what he can do but he really looks shot at this level.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 30, 2017, 09:09:13 AM
Like many, I've really taken to the guy and seen flashes of what he could achieve.
I've generally supported him and gave him the benefit last season thinking he's better than what he's delivering.
However, yesterday was a watershed moment for me (similar to the Northampton game for Saudi).

I think it's time to cut our loses and get rid asap in the summer if we can.
He's not only got an appalling goal scoring record but he now offers so little threat or creativity and, crucially, seems to be getting worse!
His general demeanour likes very poor since the turn of the year.

The fans have been incredibly patient with him - few other Albion strikers would have had such a comfortable ride after such shocking form.

He still has four games to show us what he can do but he really looks shot at this level.

Thought he started brightly and was winning his fair share against Huth; who to be fair was fouling him for most of them. Problem was we had no-one up anywhere near him for when he did win the ball. Morrison was so far away most of the time and was supposed to be our attacking midfielder.

The pass for the goal was shocking. Watched the replay and don't even know who he spotted. Thought his body language looked a bit off throughout the game too, albeit must be frustrated. Now 19 games without a goal I think and didn't look any closer to scoring yesterday.

These two posts pretty much sum up how I feel about Rondon. He struggles but often is isolated but when he does get chances never looks like scoring. I just don't think he's that good I'm afraid. I know he has a good goal scoring ratio in other leagues but they mean nothing at this club, in this league now. He looks worse than he did last season.

I'd happily take either Troy Deeney or Josh King (or preferably both) if we are going to look at Premier league players only; as I think both could play in our system and both could do it better than Rondon currently is.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 30, 2017, 09:21:10 AM
Two issues for me.
1. For whatever reason Rondon has gone totally off the boil since January , problems at home or that possible Chinese bid I don't know but he's not at it at all.
Never been clinical but he used to do a decent job.
2. The shape of Pulis's side is just as much an issue imo , no striker is going to score a lot isolated up top , back to goal and surrounded by defenders. Rondon looks knackered after two years of playing like this , being honest if I was a forward I wouldn't sign for a Pulis side as much as I respect him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on April 30, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
Because one gives his all in a difficult role, the other is a drug using scumbag only out for himself, I'll leave you to work out which is which.

It's Ok giving your all, i wouldn't expect anything less if he earns more in a week than most of us in 10 years.
It really is silly talk about millionaire men giving "their all" for 90 mins or less on a Saturday afternoon.
The bottom line is he is a striker and strikers are meant to score goals,not look busy doing nothing.
He has to be the worst forward at top level we have ever had goal scoring wise.
Nice bloke or not he's gorra goo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 10:06:21 AM
His current play and scoring record are clearly not good enough for what we need. It has to be said though he's not missing half dozen chances a game - we don't create chances.
Rondon really needs Matt Phillips in the team and playing well. Phillips creates uncertainty in defences, can draw defenders out of position and has the physical strength to help Rondon out now and then.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on April 30, 2017, 10:47:26 AM
One thing's now clear - we cannot start next with Rondon as our first striker even if he stays.

HRK is fourth choice at best so a lot of work to do yet again and a real test of how serious the new owners are.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 30, 2017, 08:47:08 PM
Went to Leicester last season and saw him bully Huth and Morgan, brushed Huth off before scoring the opening goal.
I have not seen him do anything like that in any game this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on April 30, 2017, 09:00:37 PM
I do not think for one minute Rondom will be here next season .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on April 30, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
Can't see him staying either if I'm honest, he looks fed up and I don't blame him. Doesn't matter who we have up front under Pulis though, they won't be scoring many goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 30, 2017, 09:39:15 PM
Can't see him staying either if I'm honest, he looks fed up and I don't blame him. Doesn't matter who we have up front under Pulis though, they won't be scoring many goals.

Where would he go?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on April 30, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
Where would he go?

Think he'll want out and we'll sell to the highest bidder. Probably a Europa League club in Spain/France/Italy or China.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DivinePast on May 01, 2017, 08:59:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25EdQOVT4cc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25EdQOVT4cc)

Very cool scenes with Rondon meeting the Venezuelans fans at the last game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 05, 2017, 05:21:38 PM
citing back to 79's sources, why would the team feature Rondon on their Twitter header for '17-'18 season tickets? Why would he be featured modeling next season's training wear? I get the theory that the team would not wanting to disclose the issues, but featuring Rondon in both of those seems unnecessary if he has in fact behaved in the way described.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on May 05, 2017, 05:44:37 PM
citing back to 79's sources, why would the team feature Rondon on their Twitter header for '17-'18 season tickets? Why would he be featured modeling next season's training wear? I get the theory that the team would not wanting to disclose the issues, but featuring Rondon in both of those seems unnecessary if he has in fact behaved in the way described.
Saido Berahino modelled a lot of this season plus all the Rondon stuff would have been designed / printed / finished months ago.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on May 05, 2017, 06:33:06 PM
citing back to 79's sources, why would the team feature Rondon on their Twitter header for '17-'18 season tickets? Why would he be featured modeling next season's training wear? I get the theory that the team would not wanting to disclose the issues, but featuring Rondon in both of those seems unnecessary if he has in fact behaved in the way described.

Can i ask you how long you have followed this forum' i ask this because for as long has i have been a member Baggie79 posts has been accurate at the time of his posting them. In the windows things that are 90% done don't always get done but thats football. When it comes to things that have happened at the ground Baggie79 would be in his mind 100% sure before he would post such a strong statement.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 05, 2017, 06:34:08 PM
Saido Berahino modelled a lot of this season plus all the Rondon stuff would have been designed / printed / finished months ago.

I doubt it'd had taken a whole lot to whip up a twitter header promoting season tickets with a different player, but ok
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 05, 2017, 06:36:16 PM
Can i ask you how long you have followed this forum' i ask this because for as long has i have been a member Baggie79 posts has been accurate at the time of his posting them. In the windows things that are 90% done don't always get done but thats football. When it comes to things that have happened at the ground Baggie79 would be in his mind 100% sure before he would post such a strong statement.

I'm well aware at this point of 79's reputation and have acknowledged that already, plus he has already provided details of how he came to get the info, doesn't mean I can't continue to have questions about the issue if I'm seeing things that don't seem to add up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on May 05, 2017, 07:43:17 PM
I doubt it'd had taken a whole lot to whip up a twitter header promoting season tickets with a different player, but ok
Billboards all over Bham , all round motorways but ok ..
I work in the print industry , takes a lot more than you think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 05, 2017, 11:15:05 PM
Has he scored this year yet?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 06, 2017, 05:37:54 PM
They all looked pretty happy for him to have scored today every one on the pitch seemed to be giving him a well done mate
Not the sort of reaction you would expect towards a sulking want away ala Berahino
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 06, 2017, 05:39:40 PM
Was unlucky not to get 2 today, could see the relief after his goal too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 06, 2017, 05:50:11 PM
Glad he got the goal today. Well taken too. Hope we don't have to wait another 20 games for the next one
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 07, 2017, 01:38:15 AM
Was unlucky not to get 2 today, could see the relief after his goal too

Happy for the lad he broke his duck on this. Maybe if he can grab one more he and we can look back and think it wasn't so bad? If he can sneak 10 goals that can't be sniffed at
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on May 07, 2017, 06:24:15 AM
Was unlucky not to get 2 today, could see the relief after his goal too

I think the rest of the players were pleased for him too.
Especially Brunty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on May 12, 2017, 10:27:33 PM
Best game in a while tonight, held the ball up with little to no  support.

Just goes to show when he's playing well he is well up to it. Just needs players around up and around him to really utilise his strengths.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2017, 10:31:33 PM
Back to his best. I hope he can grab at least 1 more goal to get him to 10 for the season, a great return with this playing style.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 12, 2017, 10:33:05 PM
Have to agree, that was much better. Seemed to have the physical match of the Chelsea defenders tonight. Shame we couldn't get a few better deliveries in the box for him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 12, 2017, 10:52:34 PM
Yes very much more like it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 12, 2017, 11:31:56 PM
Thought he was exceptional tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 12, 2017, 11:49:26 PM
Played so well shame he had no protection from the referee like the chelski lot
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dudleylad on May 12, 2017, 11:50:19 PM
What he needs net season is a player bursting on behind him.

He showed tonight how well he can hold it up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
What he needs net season is a player bursting on behind him.

He showed tonight how well he can hold it up.
Phillips helps in that respect, but yes we need a couple more additions so that we have better players in reserve/in the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on May 13, 2017, 10:31:01 AM
He worked hard and ran the channels well, but i am not convinced he will ever get us the goals we need to push on to the next level.
I have probably been spoilt though watching The Tank, The King and The Bomber.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on May 13, 2017, 10:47:21 AM
He worked hard and ran the channels well, but i am not convinced he will ever get us the goals we need to push on to the next level.
I have probably been spoilt though watching The Tank, The King and The Bomber.

Even "The King" needed cross's to help him score
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on May 13, 2017, 11:02:08 AM
Perhaps,we need another Sir Bobby Hope eh?

What would he be worth now i wonder?

One of our true greats.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 13, 2017, 11:17:20 AM
His performance last night made me angry to be honest. He did everything you could expect from a striker being asked to play the role he is against top quality opposition, the anger stems from the fact that we haven't seen him do it all season yet he clearly has the ability.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on May 13, 2017, 11:25:11 AM
Even "The King" needed cross's to help him score

A lot of truth in that Geoff, and i think anyone would struggle the way we set up with only one up front at home.
The only true lone striker we have had was Cyrille, he could do it all by himself.
But even on the rare occassions when Rondon had Berahino alongside him he still wasn't prolific.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 13, 2017, 12:47:09 PM
His performance last night made me angry to be honest. He did everything you could expect from a striker being asked to play the role he is against top quality opposition, the anger stems from the fact that we haven't seen him do it all season yet he clearly has the ability.

Got to agree. Needs to produce that kind of performance every week. Too often he's kept quiet by defenders
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 13, 2017, 02:52:56 PM
His performance last night made me angry to be honest. He did everything you could expect from a striker being asked to play the role he is against top quality opposition, the anger stems from the fact that we haven't seen him do it all season yet he clearly has the ability.
Absolutely have to agree with that. I worked for fifty years, held some quite senior positions, and at no point stopped doing my job for four days, let alone four months.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on May 13, 2017, 04:20:01 PM
I know his form has been disappointing but it's not like he's not tried for 4 months. A small handful of games you can question his effort but many others he's put a real shift in but it's just not happened. e.g. Stoke at home....gave Shawcross + Martins Indi a hell of an afternoon. He's had very little support especially when missing Phillips.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 13, 2017, 05:49:46 PM
More than a small number of games I think Adder, his performances have varied between uninspiring and dire, and zero goals in four months is simply not good enough. If he is our main striker next season then we will be in trouble. I sincerely hope that his sudden lift in form over the last couple of games is driven by someone seeking his services.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ALFABAGGIE on May 13, 2017, 06:21:54 PM
More than a small number of games I think Adder, his performances have varied between uninspiring and dire, and zero goals in four months is simply not good enough. If he is our main striker next season then we will be in trouble. I sincerely hope that his sudden lift in form over the last couple of games is driven by someone seeking his services.
He's had two seasons now at this level I know last year you could say was a bedding in period for him but I think he's actually gone backwards a lot of people said including TP himself that this would be the season where we would start seeing what he could do but it just ain't happened. Against Chelsea a lot have said he had a good game but the chance he did have when he went through on goal he just hadn't got that extra pace to get him away from the defenders which allowed the tackle. Accepted he doesn't get enough support but I just don't think he is good enough at this level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 14, 2017, 08:57:51 AM
Who is that lightening quick built like a brick out house with laser like shooting accuracy striker that turns the one goal mouth situation Rondon had against Chelsea into a presentable chance? 

I think par for the lead striker in a Pulis team is 10 goals, across the season Rondon owes us two goals. We can replace him with whoever you want and I suspect we will be having the same conversation about that striker come the end of next year.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on May 14, 2017, 10:11:12 AM
He's had two seasons now at this level I know last year you could say was a bedding in period for him but I think he's actually gone backwards a lot of people said including TP himself that this would be the season where we would start seeing what he could do but it just ain't happened. Against Chelsea a lot have said he had a good game but the chance he did have when he went through on goal he just hadn't got that extra pace to get him away from the defenders which allowed the tackle. Accepted he doesn't get enough support but I just don't think he is good enough at this level.

I'm probably one of his biggest critics and don't think he's good enough either but in his defence when he went through with that chance against Chelsea I felt his legs just wouldnt power in the way he needed them to . I felt his legs had gone a bit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on May 14, 2017, 03:46:04 PM
Too honest for his own good.. That Chelsea chance typical  - he had run back to cover, then broke forward on a long run with the ball at the start of which which he had been impeded enough to slow him down overall and give the second defender(no slouch himself) time to just make the tackle. How many other top strikers would have turned into the tackler and gone down to buy a penalty I wonder? I would like to bet any of the strikers from a top six team with tired legs late in the game would have tried for the pen and got it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 14, 2017, 04:34:38 PM
Too honest for his own good.. That Chelsea chance typical  - he had run back to cover, then broke forward on a long run with the ball at the start of which which he had been impeded enough to slow him down overall and give the second defender(no slouch himself) time to just make the tackle. How many other top strikers would have turned into the tackler and gone down to buy a penalty I wonder? I would like to bet any of the strikers from a top six team with tired legs late in the game would have tried for the pen and got it.

Maybe in that instant. I've seen him fall over too much whenever he feels the slightest touch this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on May 14, 2017, 06:23:06 PM
Maybe in that instant. I've seen him fall over too much whenever he feels the slightest touch this season.

Agreed  -  but it rarely gets given when he does it yet if you play for some other teams then even thinking about a touch is enough to get a free kick - maybe he should be cleverer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on May 14, 2017, 06:38:17 PM
Think the club should make sure he puts his feet up for 4 weeks this summer...even if he misses the start of the season (if he stays).
After a full season with us and travelling back and for to Venezuela, he then played in the Copa America last summer. The club gave him the chance of a break but he was back with us for the start of pre-season. Now he's had another full season and more Venezuela action.

His attitude is questioned a bit too much...he's never had any mysterious groin strains or anything has he ? Has he ever been unfit for a game ? I can't remember him being out for more than one or two games if that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2017, 05:31:54 PM
You can't criticise him for the effort he puts in, and he has a hell of a job with limited support and usually its one against 3 defenders. However again today, he showed he hasn't got enough quality in front of goal. He had 2 good chances with just the keeper to beat, and he messed up both times. Better strikers have an excellent first touch, and are clinical enough to get dangerous shots away or dribble around the keeper. If I was a manager chasing him, I wouldn't go beyond £10 million in today's market.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2017, 05:42:52 PM
Left the pitch like a rat up a drain pipe apparently  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 21, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
Think that'll be him off then now. Hopefully we can find a striker who knows where the goal is to replace him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 21, 2017, 05:50:28 PM
Could'nt hit a cows backside with a banjo, but that's probably Pulis's fault
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2017, 08:03:21 PM
Think that'll be him off then now. Hopefully we can find a striker who knows where the goal is to replace him.

I'd be looking to keep him and signing an additional striker to supplement the squad.

That said - if an offer of £30million comes floating around then I'd snap their hands off for it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2017, 08:11:59 PM
Pretty much my stance, Liam.

I like him, but he's not a striker blessed with the ball at his feet, we need someone who does it on the floor (ooh err) like Berahino always promised to be before he decided to ruin his career.

Would gladly take the money on a ridiculous bid mind you, but then would not trust TP to replace him with anyone other than two Kenwyne Jones/Mama Sidibe types
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on May 21, 2017, 09:51:48 PM
I'd be looking to keep him and signing an additional striker to supplement the squad.

That said - if an offer of £30million comes floating around then I'd snap their hands off for it.

Agree with this
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on May 21, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
Its a crying shame the  way its worked out for Rondon. It took a while for him to settle but over Christmas he was in good form and it finally looked as though we may make some serious profit on him in the future. His form has dipped terribly since February. If i were the manager i would be putting the feelers out with other strikers agents etc seeing if they would be interested in joining etc then selling Rondon. Its no longer a joke when someone says HRK is a better option than Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2017, 01:11:00 PM
He looks shot of confidence.  What was it Sunday, like 3 clear cut chances?  Maybe 4?  There was the header from 6 yards out, the one on one where he got a shot on target, the one where he took so long a player got back. 

It's frustrating because it gives supports some ammo to get on the entire team's back - but if we're creating chances of the kind he had on Sunday and not tucking them away.... there's not much else we can do especially with our options so limited this year.  On another day, or maybe with another striker, we'd have beat Swansea easily.  We should have been 3 up by half time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 23, 2017, 01:06:33 AM
I can only hope the second half of 2017, whether it's with this club or elsewhere, will see him go back to what he used to be. I found this on youtube and it made realize his 2016 overall is probably a better representation of the kind of striker he is in the PL as opposed to how he performed these past 5 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x332BSWTsHI

I have no explanation for his poor form, and I admit it was poor many times. Most significantly for me was his inability to separate from defenders on balls into the box, although I would venture to say he became a more closely-marked man after his hat-trick. But I will also repeat what I have said many times before, and that is that this team does him no favors. From the defensive tactics keeping the midfielders behind him far back, to himself being asked to come get the ball 40-45 yards away from the opponents' goal. How many of those crosses into the box in which he failed to gain separation were made with OTHER Baggies in the box occupying defenders? So often this team attacks timidly, sending a ball into the box and bracing for the counterattack instead of offering support. I have never seen a striker be put in such position to fail as a scorer.

It hurts me to say the guy may be broken at this point, which would explain his inexcusable exit yesterday without saluting the fans. So used to having to make the most out of the little opportunities he gets, to rush his shots, he should had controlled that ball yesterday instead of shooting it as soon as he got to it but he had no clue he had that much space around him, playing with ghost defenders behind him. That's not him. Go back to watch his highlights prior to joining WBA, it's not him, these critiques about poor control and poor finishing, he's really not as bad as he's made out to be by this fan base. And granted, I'll be the first to admit defenses in the Russian PL are no comparison to what strikers face in the UK, but this is a guy who was also scoring in European competitions (CL, UEL) and in Spain with Malaga (not a world-beater scoring machine) before that.

I don't believe TP has ever had a striker who scored at a prolific rate (Saido might had been able to break this mold). Rondon has had a poor 2017 for sure but people should be careful to make him the scapegoat when the TEAM's scoring struggles run much more deeper than one man.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2017, 06:38:16 AM
I can only hope the second half of 2017, whether it's with this club or elsewhere, will see him go back to what he used to be. I found this on youtube and it made realize his 2016 overall is probably a better representation of the kind of striker he is in the PL as opposed to how he performed these past 5 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x332BSWTsHI

I have no explanation for his poor form, and I admit it was poor many times. Most significantly for me was his inability to separate from defenders on balls into the box, although I would venture to say he became a more closely-marked man after his hat-trick. But I will also repeat what I have said many times before, and that is that this team does him no favors. From the defensive tactics keeping the midfielders behind him far back, to himself being asked to come get the ball 40-45 yards away from the opponents' goal. How many of those crosses into the box in which he failed to gain separation were made with OTHER Baggies in the box occupying defenders? So often this team attacks timidly, sending a ball into the box and bracing for the counterattack instead of offering support. I have never seen a striker be put in such position to fail as a scorer.

It hurts me to say the guy may be broken at this point, which would explain his inexcusable exit yesterday without saluting the fans. So used to having to make the most out of the little opportunities he gets, to rush his shots, he should had controlled that ball yesterday instead of shooting it as soon as he got to it but he had no clue he had that much space around him, playing with ghost defenders behind him. That's not him. Go back to watch his highlights prior to joining WBA, it's not him, these critiques about poor control and poor finishing, he's really not as bad as he's made out to be by this fan base. And granted, I'll be the first to admit defenses in the Russian PL are no comparison to what strikers face in the UK, but this is a guy who was also scoring in European competitions (CL, UEL) and in Spain with Malaga (not a world-beater scoring machine) before that.

I don't believe TP has ever had a striker who scored at a prolific rate (Saido might had been able to break this mold). Rondon has had a poor 2017 for sure but people should be careful to make him the scapegoat when the TEAM's scoring struggles run much more deeper than one man.

All that said he was never the same player after the Chinese bid was made known.
Straight down the tunnel at the end of the last game as well, be surprised if he's here next season TBH
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B714LF on May 23, 2017, 08:10:17 AM
I've seen plenty of players come into the Albion over the years who would definitely have been better if they had more opportunity to play.

That cannot be said of Rondon!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on May 23, 2017, 08:38:01 AM
All that said he was never the same player after the Chinese bid was made known.
Straight down the tunnel at the end of the last game as well, be surprised if he's here next season TBH

If the Chinese came in with an offer around 25 million I would snap their hand off and buy someone else. At his age he won't improve and he had a poor half-season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on May 23, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
Yeah, I think it's sort of valid in the way we set up and play might not be best suited for him but... that doesn't excuse some of his finishing and his poor touch at the back end of this season.  In games like Sunday he HAS to tuck 1 or 2 of those away, he does and we win comfortably.

If he was getting no chances I would defend his lack of scoring to the hilt, but he has had chance put on a plate for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 23, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
I can only hope the second half of 2017, whether it's with this club or elsewhere, will see him go back to what he used to be. I found this on youtube and it made realize his 2016 overall is probably a better representation of the kind of striker he is in the PL as opposed to how he performed these past 5 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x332BSWTsHI

I have no explanation for his poor form, and I admit it was poor many times. Most significantly for me was his inability to separate from defenders on balls into the box, although I would venture to say he became a more closely-marked man after his hat-trick. But I will also repeat what I have said many times before, and that is that this team does him no favors. From the defensive tactics keeping the midfielders behind him far back, to himself being asked to come get the ball 40-45 yards away from the opponents' goal. How many of those crosses into the box in which he failed to gain separation were made with OTHER Baggies in the box occupying defenders? So often this team attacks timidly, sending a ball into the box and bracing for the counterattack instead of offering support. I have never seen a striker be put in such position to fail as a scorer.

It hurts me to say the guy may be broken at this point, which would explain his inexcusable exit yesterday without saluting the fans. So used to having to make the most out of the little opportunities he gets, to rush his shots, he should had controlled that ball yesterday instead of shooting it as soon as he got to it but he had no clue he had that much space around him, playing with ghost defenders behind him. That's not him. Go back to watch his highlights prior to joining WBA, it's not him, these critiques about poor control and poor finishing, he's really not as bad as he's made out to be by this fan base. And granted, I'll be the first to admit defenses in the Russian PL are no comparison to what strikers face in the UK, but this is a guy who was also scoring in European competitions (CL, UEL) and in Spain with Malaga (not a world-beater scoring machine) before that.

I don't believe TP has ever had a striker who scored at a prolific rate (Saido might had been able to break this mold). Rondon has had a poor 2017 for sure but people should be careful to make him the scapegoat when the TEAM's scoring struggles run much more deeper than one man.

To be fair if he'd have put any of those chances away against Swansea we'd have all been celebrating a win and he'd be celebrating having a good game. We'd have been a bit more positive about the game.

I know we've played poorly at times, maybe not played to Rondon's strengths and left him isolated at times, but sometimes he needs to just face the music and put the chances away. No one else can be blamed for that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2017, 02:20:38 PM
To be fair if he'd have put any of those chances away against Swansea we'd have all been celebrating a win and he'd be celebrating having a good game. We'd have been a bit more positive about the game.

I know we've played poorly at times, maybe not played to Rondon's strengths and left him isolated at times, but sometimes he needs to just face the music and put the chances away. No one else can be blamed for that

Even allowing for the way we play and the fact that, yes, sometimes he is isolated he's had more than enough chances this season to be well into double figures.
Poor first touch, poor finisher and he appears to be getting worse.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on May 23, 2017, 02:32:31 PM
Even allowing for the way we play and the fact that, yes, sometimes he is isolated he's had more than enough chances this season to be well into double figures.
Poor first touch, poor finisher and he appears to be getting worse.

Its the appears to be getting worse bit that is really worrying.

Why is it so and what are the staff doing about it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 23, 2017, 06:33:32 PM
Even allowing for the way we play and the fact that, yes, sometimes he is isolated he's had more than enough chances this season to be well into double figures.
Poor first touch, poor finisher and he appears to be getting worse.

Exactly. Add the fact we had no real striker to compete against him for the starting 11 place
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 25, 2017, 12:55:15 AM
What Salomon has to put up with in Venezuela.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-40012642
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2017, 06:42:31 AM
What Salomon has to put up with in Venezuela.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-40012642

I'm sure the situation in Venezuela has been a huge worry for Rondon as it would for anyone with family there.
However lets not let it mask what has been a very poor season from him.

We've created more chances for him this season than last yet he's only managed to score in six games.

By April 13th he had had more shots than in the previous season so maybe tactics aren't that much to blame and it's more likely that he struggles at a level that is higher than he's used to playing at.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/salomon-rondon-gone-wrong-west-12891578
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2017, 02:13:21 AM
Just read that the Chinese authorities are imposing a 100% surcharge on foreign transfer fees if the club concerned is losing money (all Chinese clubs lose money) think that scuppers any move for Rondon this summer. It also probably kills the Chinese market for a lot of very well paid but out of favour players at some of the bigger clubs and pushes back into the English market.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/chinese-super-league-transfer-news-diego-costa-tax-law-rule-180m-wayne-rooney-a7755406.html
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboyfred on June 02, 2017, 10:11:24 AM
AS loads of people have pointed out , although he is left isolated up front through most of the games, but he has had enough chances to be comfortably into double figures for the season, the fact is he just cannot finish at this level, and as much he puts loads of effort into his game, as the lone striker he has to net, so I hope we can sell him for a decent fee and get somebody in who can net , easier said than done I know but we cannot be any worse off, unless  TP gives the main strikers role to robson-kanu, then the lunatics will have taken over the asylum
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 02, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Top PL goalscorers under Pulis

08/09 Fuller 11 (9 without penalties)
09/10 Etherington 5 (4 without penalties)
10/11 Jones 9
11/12 Crouch 10
12/13 Walters 8 (5 without penalties)
13/14 Gayle/Puncheon 7 (both 6 without penalties)
14/15 Berahino 14 (11 without penalties)
15/16 Rondon 10
16/17 Rondon 8

When you break it down Rondon is arguably the top performing striker under Pulis in the last 9 years he has managed in the PL, and is certainly performing above average. In open play only Berahino has ever scored more goals in a season and he scored 7 of those before Pulis joined. Take out the Berahino half season and penalties and Rondon has the joint best ever and 4th best ever goal return under Pulis in 8 seasons.

I thought Rondon was really poor in the second half of the season. Could be down to effort, head turned by move, affected by personal life or just simply off form. I don't think the drop in his performances can be put solely at Pulis feet as there was to bigger dip from his previous showings. However a striker who would realistically want to play for us and be within our price ranger is extremely unlikely to score 13-17 goals a season playing under Pulis.

I'm not saying Rondon can't do better and that it's impossible for us to sign a better player but I don't see us having a player that scores 12+ league goals next season. It's to much of a coincidence that at 3 different clubs over a near 10 year period with numerous different strikers that the goal returns for each are reasonably similar each year for Pulis not to play a big part in it.




Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on June 02, 2017, 12:43:09 PM
Great analysis, which says to me that Sr is getting into the right positions and with better finishing could / would have been the best striker to work under pulis, I would persist with him as if a couple fly in off his ass, he could go on a very good run and where are the alternatives? Not in the prem, which makes it unlikely TP would sanction them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on June 02, 2017, 01:11:59 PM
I would be happy for Rondon to stay but would hope there would be another option available. Said it before I think Rondon was knackered 2nd half of the season. He's hardly missed a game for us...has flown back and for Venezuela. Last summer he played in the copa America or whatever, then came straight into pre season with us turning down the chance of a break.
Force him to put his feet up for a month this summer even if it means he misses the first 3 or 4 games of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 02, 2017, 01:38:23 PM
I would be happy for Rondon to stay but would hope there would be another option available. Said it before I think Rondon was knackered 2nd half of the season. He's hardly missed a game for us...has flown back and for Venezuela. Last summer he played in the copa America or whatever, then came straight into pre season with us turning down the chance of a break.
Force him to put his feet up for a month this summer even if it means he misses the first 3 or 4 games of the season.

He did most of his flying back and forth during the 1st half of the season when he was playing better. He had only 2 games for Venezuela after November and they were both at the end of March so not sure it had anything to do with his poor form.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 02, 2017, 04:09:12 PM
Top PL goalscorers under Pulis

08/09 Fuller 11 (9 without penalties)
09/10 Etherington 5 (4 without penalties)
10/11 Jones 9
11/12 Crouch 10
12/13 Walters 8 (5 without penalties)
13/14 Gayle/Puncheon 7 (both 6 without penalties)
14/15 Berahino 14 (11 without penalties)
15/16 Rondon 10
16/17 Rondon 8

When you break it down Rondon is arguably the top performing striker under Pulis in the last 9 years he has managed in the PL, and is certainly performing above average. In open play only Berahino has ever scored more goals in a season and he scored 7 of those before Pulis joined. Take out the Berahino half season and penalties and Rondon has the joint best ever and 4th best ever goal return under Pulis in 8 seasons.

I thought Rondon was really poor in the second half of the season. Could be down to effort, head turned by move, affected by personal life or just simply off form. I don't think the drop in his performances can be put solely at Pulis feet as there was to bigger dip from his previous showings. However a striker who would realistically want to play for us and be within our price ranger is extremely unlikely to score 13-17 goals a season playing under Pulis.

I'm not saying Rondon can't do better and that it's impossible for us to sign a better player but I don't see us having a player that scores 12+ league goals next season. It's to much of a coincidence that at 3 different clubs over a near 10 year period with numerous different strikers that the goal returns for each are reasonably similar each year for Pulis not to play a big part in it.

But did Pulis tell him to miss all the chances he's missed this season? I see that strikers don't generally score a lot under Pulis, but he's had his fair share of chances season. Also, why are we discounting penalties? Maybe Rondon could put himself forward to take some? It's not the other strikers' faults that he hasn't, so they shouldn't really be discounted in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 02, 2017, 04:26:54 PM
But did Pulis tell him to miss all the chances he's missed this season? I see that strikers don't generally score a lot under Pulis, but he's had his fair share of chances season. Also, why are we discounting penalties? Maybe Rondon could put himself forward to take some? It's not the other strikers' faults that he hasn't, so they shouldn't really be discounted in my opinion.

In the premier league alone...

Harry kane had 110 shots this season, scoring 29.
Lukaku had 110 scoring 25.
Ibrahimovic had 115, scoring only 17.

They are world class strikers that pretty much get played into the box due to the players they have around them... their job as a striker is made alot easier than rondons is so they get alot better chances and more frequently.... and even they miss ALOT of their chances.

Rondon has had 94 shots scoring only 8... hence the reason he plays for us and not a top 6 team playing in Europe.

People are also forgetting that he is in a pulis set up and quite alot of his 94 shots have been whilst he is stuck on his own surrounded by 2/3 players of the opposition (again, if he was good as people expect or put away the majority of his chances he wouldn't be playing in a west brom shirt).

Add to that all the trouble back home, lack of rest due to us not having another striker at the club or even competition for him to earn his place in the team (not counting the championship winger that pulis puts upfront either)

He can obviously find the back of the net as his past record proves, but to really judge him in the premier league... I don't think a pulis set up is the best way for him. ( Or as Astle1968 pointed out... it's not really a great set up for any striker if your expecting goals).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 02, 2017, 04:33:50 PM
In the premier league alone...

Harry kane had 110 shots this season, scoring 29.
Lukaku had 110 scoring 25.
Ibrahimovic had 115, scoring only 17.

They are world class strikers that pretty much get played into the box due to the players they have around them... their job as a striker is made alot easier than rondons is so they get alot better chances and more frequently.... and even they miss ALOT of their chances.

Rondon has had 94 shots scoring only 8... hence the reason he plays for us and not a top 6 team playing in Europe.

People are also forgetting that he is in a pulis set up and quite alot of his 94 shots have been whilst he is stuck on his own surrounded by 2/3 players of the opposition (again, if he was good as people expect or put away the majority of his chances he wouldn't be playing in a west brom shirt).

Add to that all the trouble back home, lack of rest due to us not having another striker at the club or even competition for him to earn his place in the team (not counting the championship winger that pulis puts upfront either)

He can obviously find the back of the net as his past record proves, but to really judge him in the premier league... I don't think a pulis set up is the best way for him. ( Or as Astle1968 pointed out... it's not really a great set up for any striker if your expecting goals).

But you agree he missed lots of chances.

So how is that Pulis' fault?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 02, 2017, 04:35:26 PM
Lmao, you know the hate is real when venom is veing spewed at Rondon for the lack of PKs called. You need people in the box to get those. Not just a person, PEOPLE (nevermind Rondon spends a freakton of time outside the box). 2 vs 1 and 3 vs 1 isn't going to result in PKs in your favor. Lol.

Astle, work is kicking my behind nowadays and I have a 3 month old (first child) so I appreciate your post because I sure haven't had the time to put that together.

As I said befofe, Rondon had an awful 2nd half of the season but that shouldn't define him as a striker in the PL. His 2016 gave you 14 goals (without a single PK, by the way) ;-)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 02, 2017, 05:15:28 PM
But did Pulis tell him to miss all the chances he's missed this season? I see that strikers don't generally score a lot under Pulis, but he's had his fair share of chances season. Also, why are we discounting penalties? Maybe Rondon could put himself forward to take some? It's not the other strikers' faults that he hasn't, so they shouldn't really be discounted in my opinion.

Well I think we only had 1 penalty last season and if we have better takers why would we let him take them.

Yes he's missed chances just like every other striker in the league. Ibrahimovic has missed an absolute bucket load of sitters this season but yet was nominated for player of the year? An absolute top striker will always miss more chances than they score and we are not in the market for top strikers. I agree he should have done better over the past 3/4 months of the season but the point (fact?) is that strikers will always struggle to score goals under Pulis, and I would argue than ather than it be 2 to 30 strikers for 3 different clubs over a 9 year year period that are all individually the problem, it's far more likely to be down to Pulis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 02, 2017, 05:16:15 PM
But you agree he missed lots of chances.

So how is that Pulis' fault?

Yes, I agree he has missed alot of chances, but I also highlighted that the best strikers in this league currently... who play in more attacking teams, that find themselves in way better positions... have also missed near enough the same amount of chances.

When did i say it was Pulis' fault?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 02, 2017, 05:23:48 PM
But you agree he missed lots of chances.

So how is that Pulis' fault?

Go and check out who missed the most clear cut chances in the league last year (by an absolute mile) and then come on here and tell me he's a terrible striker.

Pulis hasn't told him to miss chances but I'd say he way the play in no way helps him to score. As I've already said for whatever reason he was poor 2nd half of last season and that lies with him.

Last season we had the 5th lowest amount of shots per game, the lowest amount of possession a game and the 3rd worst pass completion rate. Do you think any of that helps a striker to score, and if so if that the fault of Rondon, Chadli, Morrison, Brunt, Fletcher, Yacob, Livermore, Phillips etc or Pulis fault?

No striker will ever score freely in a Pulis side or at least they never have to date. It;s possible if Rondon didn't spend the majority of his time chasing lost causes and fighting with 2 center half's with little or no support he may be a little sharper when those chances came around.

I'd love to see some genuine competition come in for him, but I'm also reasonably confident if he played for Southampton last season he would have scored 15.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 02, 2017, 05:29:28 PM
Go and check out who missed the most clear cut chances in the league last year (by an absolute mile) and then come on here and tell me he's a terrible striker.

Pulis hasn't told him to miss chances but I'd say he way the play in no way helps him to score. As I've already said for whatever reason he was poor 2nd half of last season and that lies with him.

Last season we had the 5th lowest amount of shots per game, the lowest amount of possession a game and the 3rd worst pass completion rate. Do you think any of that helps a striker to score, and if so if that the fault of Rondon, Chadli, Morrison, Brunt, Fletcher, Yacob, Livermore, Phillips etc or Pulis fault?

No striker will ever score freely in a Pulis side or at least they never have to date. It;s possible if Rondon didn't spend the majority of his time chasing lost causes and fighting with 2 center half's with little or no support he may be a little sharper when those chances came around.

I'd love to see some genuine competition come in for him, but I'm also reasonably confident if he played for Southampton last season he would have scored 15.

Interesting.......

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_missed (https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_missed)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on June 02, 2017, 05:40:37 PM
Rondons decent in the air , we all know that.
What we dont see enough of is threaded balls to his feet so he can get through and hold off the defender like he did a fair bit for Zenit.
Is he clinical ? , no.
Would he do better with some decent service ? , yes I think so especially less of these balls fired at his neck.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on June 02, 2017, 06:35:04 PM
Said it before do not expect him to be here start of the season . Your right 2nd half the season something ain't right with him I don't buy the Chinese offer turned his head and stopped him trying . Every time you step onto a pitch you should give 100% .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on June 02, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
He did most of his flying back and forth during the 1st half of the season when he was playing better. He had only 2 games for Venezuela after November and they were both at the end of March so not sure it had anything to do with his poor form.
Maybe not, but just cumulative effect of a pretty intense 20 months since joining us, that's what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 02, 2017, 11:08:22 PM
Interesting.......

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_missed (https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_missed)


Considering this is a stats post The Brom has gone very quiet...


"But but aerial duels..."
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 03, 2017, 08:38:33 AM
Haha still can't believe people think going into next season Rondon as the striker is the answer. Defies belief.

What classes as a big chance? You could also argue that he sees less chances than the other strikers above him in that list (as pointed out earlier), therefore the 'big' chances missed are a higher percentage of overall chances and cost more to the team.

All I know is he had a poor season and poor goal return and didn't look interested in half of the games. To suggest otherwise is just arguing for the sake of it.

And as an aside, when you argue that it's more than about goal scoring with Rondon, don't be surprised when someone pulls him up on his other stats e.g. winning headers, successful passes etc. Don't understand what you'd judge him on without them?  :-\ Or are we not allowed to judge him at all?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 03, 2017, 09:14:39 AM
Haha still can't believe people think going into next season Rondon as the striker is the answer. Defies belief.

What classes as a big chance? You could also argue that he sees less chances than the other strikers above him in that list (as pointed out earlier), therefore the 'big' chances missed are a higher percentage of overall chances and cost more to the team.

All I know is he had a poor season and poor goal return and didn't look interested in half of the games. To suggest otherwise is just arguing for the sake of it.

And as an aside, when you argue that it's more than about goal scoring with Rondon, don't be surprised when someone pulls him up on his other stats e.g. winning headers, successful passes etc. Don't understand what you'd judge him on without them?  :-\ Or are we not allowed to judge him at all?

So by that logic you must think that every single striker who has ever played PL football under Pulis is poor?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 03, 2017, 10:11:35 AM
Haha still can't believe people think going into next season Rondon as the striker is the answer. Defies belief.

What classes as a big chance? You could also argue that he sees less chances than the other strikers above him in that list (as pointed out earlier), therefore the 'big' chances missed are a higher percentage of overall chances and cost more to the team.

All I know is he had a poor season and poor goal return and didn't look interested in half of the games. To suggest otherwise is just arguing for the sake of it.

And as an aside, when you argue that it's more than about goal scoring with Rondon, don't be surprised when someone pulls him up on his other stats e.g. winning headers, successful passes etc. Don't understand what you'd judge him on without them?  :-\ Or are we not allowed to judge him at all?

How ironic!  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on June 03, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
Haha still can't believe people think going into next season Rondon as the striker is the answer. Defies belief.

What classes as a big chance? You could also argue that he sees less chances than the other strikers above him in that list (as pointed out earlier), therefore the 'big' chances missed are a higher percentage of overall chances and cost more to the team.

All I know is he had a poor season and poor goal return and didn't look interested in half of the games. To suggest otherwise is just arguing for the sake of it.

And as an aside, when you argue that it's more than about goal scoring with Rondon, don't be surprised when someone pulls him up on his other stats e.g. winning headers, successful passes etc. Don't understand what you'd judge him on without them?  :-\ Or are we not allowed to judge him at all?

But surely you can understand and appreciate that this always has been the case for Pulis teams and always will be. Being as we are tactically the most defensive team in the league.

Sure we could sign someone in our price range who gobbles up more big chances than Rondon, say a Defoe for instance. But then we would have to sacrifice a lone striker who helps move us up the pitch. So we would end up creating even less chances and he would then possibly/probably score even less goals than Rondon does
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 03, 2017, 11:02:48 AM
How ironic!  ;D

It's not ironic as I'm not arguing for the sake of it. I genuinely believe he's been poor this season.

But surely you can understand and appreciate that this always has been the case for Pulis teams and always will be. Being as we are tactically the most defensive team in the league.

Sure we could sign someone in our price range who gobbles up more big chances than Rondon, say a Defoe for instance. But then we would have to sacrifice a lone striker who helps move us up the pitch. So we would end up creating even less chances and he would then possibly/probably score even less goals than Rondon does


I get this all the time, that he does things to get us up the pitch. But I'm not sure he does.

I argue he doesn't score enough, I get replies saying it's not all about scoring and he is a target man. I then argue that he doesn't hold the ball up well enough, I get replies saying there's more to it than winning headers, duels and passing well? People say he moves us up the pitch, but his dribbling and take on stats are poor. I've lost count of the times the ball has come straight back at us after he's failed to control it or fallen over, and the amount of times he has a chance and doesn't put it away. So what is it he does? Run around a lot? Because he's not even in the top 5 of our runners in the team.

So what is it he's done to say he's had a good season? I had this argument with a number of people before and no one gave me any actual reason for me to believe he's played well.

Pulls strikers may not score many, but as I said he's not telling the strikers not to put away chances. Sometimes the player has to share some of the blame.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on June 03, 2017, 12:44:21 PM
I don't think anyone wants to be in the same boat in August where Rondon and HRK are our only strikers, but I think there are quite a few of us who would be happy with Rondon staying and competing with / getting support from at least one new striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 03, 2017, 12:50:48 PM
I don't think anyone wants to be in the same boat in August where Rondon and HRK are our only strikers, but I think there are quite a few of us who would be happy with Rondon staying and competing with / getting support from at least one new striker.

I'm in 100% agreement with this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on June 03, 2017, 01:18:16 PM
It's not ironic as I'm not arguing for the sake of it. I genuinely believe he's been poor this season.

I get this all the time, that he does things to get us up the pitch. But I'm not sure he does.

I argue he doesn't score enough, I get replies saying it's not all about scoring and he is a target man. I then argue that he doesn't hold the ball up well enough, I get replies saying there's more to it than winning headers, duels and passing well? People say he moves us up the pitch, but his dribbling and take on stats are poor. I've lost count of the times the ball has come straight back at us after he's failed to control it or fallen over, and the amount of times he has a chance and doesn't put it away. So what is it he does? Run around a lot? Because he's not even in the top 5 of our runners in the team.

So what is it he's done to say he's had a good season? I had this argument with a number of people before and no one gave me any actual reason for me to believe he's played well.

Pulls strikers may not score many, but as I said he's not telling the strikers not to put away chances. Sometimes the player has to share some of the blame.

I think sometimes people get blinded by the supposed amount he runs about but as I've seen written somewhere before you could get a trained athlete to do what he does. What I know from my own experience of playing the game is how frustrating it is when your centre forward cannot do the basics the ball literally comes straight back on you . Now it may well be of course that they have been trying to improve aspects of his game but he's been here for 2 years and is worse than when he came . Either he simply doesn't get the message or the coaching is rubbish.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 03, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
It's not ironic as I'm not arguing for the sake of it. I genuinely believe he's been poor this season.

I get this all the time, that he does things to get us up the pitch. But I'm not sure he does.

I argue he doesn't score enough, I get replies saying it's not all about scoring and he is a target man. I then argue that he doesn't hold the ball up well enough, I get replies saying there's more to it than winning headers, duels and passing well? People say he moves us up the pitch, but his dribbling and take on stats are poor. I've lost count of the times the ball has come straight back at us after he's failed to control it or fallen over, and the amount of times he has a chance and doesn't put it away. So what is it he does? Run around a lot? Because he's not even in the top 5 of our runners in the team.

So what is it he's done to say he's had a good season? I had this argument with a number of people before and no one gave me any actual reason for me to believe he's played well.

Pulls strikers may not score many, but as I said he's not telling the strikers not to put away chances. Sometimes the player has to share some of the blame.

And like i said, I agree he has missed easy chances... but stats do not lie. (Not sure where that is blaming pulis like you asked, then ignored the reply but there we go).

Rondon is not a world class striker... hence the reason he plays for us - Harry kane, top scorer this season missed 81 of his 110 shots, also missed 11 big chances which is more 'big chances' than Rondon missed.

We all know he aint a world beater and that there are players out there that are alot better.... but you have to consider who he plays for, the way the team is set up and what is asked of him by the manager/coach (players like kane who im using as an expample are always in and around the box with support constantly from the midfield and fullbacks - Rondon hasn't got that luxury). Those points alone will not get you a 15/20 goal a season striker.... 

Include the personal circumstances (his family problems back home)... and the lack of competition he has for his position (very easy to get complacent).... is he really as bad as your trying to make out? Considering Rondon only missed 5 more shots than kane all season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 03, 2017, 02:56:40 PM
I'm still yet to see a suggestion of a realistic target who could do a better job than Rondon in this side. Last time I had some joker saying Chris Wood  ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 03, 2017, 05:33:57 PM

Considering this is a stats post The Brom has gone very quiet...


"But but aerial duels..."

That made me chuckle  :P .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 03, 2017, 05:56:10 PM
to get more goals from Rondon the solution is to have a different tactic than expecting the bloke to run his backside off all afternoon chasing hopeless balls from team mates who are in a different continent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on June 03, 2017, 05:58:11 PM
I'm still yet to see a suggestion of a realistic target who could do a better job than Rondon in this side. Last time I had some joker saying Chris Wood  ???
Yeah and this joker sticks by what he said
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on June 03, 2017, 07:17:00 PM
I'm still yet to see a suggestion of a realistic target who could do a better job than Rondon in this side. Last time I had some joker saying Chris Wood  ???

Iheanacho
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 04, 2017, 04:33:03 AM
Yeah and this joker sticks by what he said

Don't know what to say mate, not sure how much you have actually seen from Wood so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 04, 2017, 04:36:08 AM
Iheanacho

Decent suggestion. Unfortunately he's about 5 years too young for Pulis and we've yet to see how he copes with 40 yard punts at his neck.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 04, 2017, 08:37:05 AM
And like i said, I agree he has missed easy chances... but stats do not lie. (Not sure where that is blaming pulis like you asked, then ignored the reply but there we go).

Rondon is not a world class striker... hence the reason he plays for us - Harry kane, top scorer this season missed 81 of his 110 shots, also missed 11 big chances which is more 'big chances' than Rondon missed.

We all know he aint a world beater and that there are players out there that are alot better.... but you have to consider who he plays for, the way the team is set up and what is asked of him by the manager/coach (players like kane who im using as an expample are always in and around the box with support constantly from the midfield and fullbacks - Rondon hasn't got that luxury). Those points alone will not get you a 15/20 goal a season striker.... 

Include the personal circumstances (his family problems back home)... and the lack of competition he has for his position (very easy to get complacent).... is he really as bad as your trying to make out? Considering Rondon only missed 5 more shots than kane all season.

Rondon scored 1 goal for every 11.7 chances. I'd say that's pretty bad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 04, 2017, 11:22:23 AM
Rondon scored 1 goal for every 11.7 chances. I'd say that's pretty bad.

You can put it however you like, he still only missed 5 more shorts than the top goal scorer this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on June 04, 2017, 06:40:50 PM
Iheanacho

Wouldnt fit in. Similar player to Berahino.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on June 04, 2017, 11:12:09 PM
It's not ironic as I'm not arguing for the sake of it. I genuinely believe he's been poor this season.

I get this all the time, that he does things to get us up the pitch. But I'm not sure he does.

I argue he doesn't score enough, I get replies saying it's not all about scoring and he is a target man. I then argue that he doesn't hold the ball up well enough, I get replies saying there's more to it than winning headers, duels and passing well? People say he moves us up the pitch, but his dribbling and take on stats are poor. I've lost count of the times the ball has come straight back at us after he's failed to control it or fallen over, and the amount of times he has a chance and doesn't put it away. So what is it he does? Run around a lot? Because he's not even in the top 5 of our runners in the team.

So what is it he's done to say he's had a good season? I had this argument with a number of people before and no one gave me any actual reason for me to believe he's played well.

Pulls strikers may not score many, but as I said he's not telling the strikers not to put away chances. Sometimes the player has to share some of the blame.

Spot on Brom. Sad to say. He is no where near clinical enough in front of goal. I know confidence is a big thing with strikers. But he has been given plenty of game time this season. I have some sympathy because of the at times impossible service he gets, but there again, he does too little with the chances that come his way. And if you are a No.9 in a system where there is just one man up top, you really can't argue that its not his job to score. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 05, 2017, 08:17:14 AM
You can put it however you like, he still only missed 5 more shorts than the top goal scorer this season.

and you can put it anyway you like but he scored 21 goals less than the top scorer! I think goals scored are a more important stat for a goal scorer than chances missed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: keithowba86 on June 05, 2017, 08:46:15 AM
Your all completely missing the point... well some!

Every single person who has watched salamon rondon throughout his career knows full well he scores most of his goals in the box from crosses!

We are simply not playing the correct way to play to the lads strengths!

We need the side to be pushing higher up the pitch, with two wingers who want to cross the ball at every opportunity. We also need our team to be keeping the ball better, which will also help rondon get into the box instead of coming deep

With rondon in the box more, he would score 15 goals a season! I am 100percent confident of that as ive watched his career over the years!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 05, 2017, 10:04:12 AM
Your all completely missing the point... well some!

Every single person who has watched salamon rondon throughout his career knows full well he scores most of his goals in the box from crosses!

We are simply not playing the correct way to play to the lads strengths!

We need the side to be pushing higher up the pitch, with two wingers who want to cross the ball at every opportunity. We also need our team to be keeping the ball better, which will also help rondon get into the box instead of coming deep

With rondon in the box more, he would score 15 goals a season! I am 100percent confident of that as ive watched his career over the years!

Got to agree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 05, 2017, 10:12:24 AM
Your all completely missing the point... well some!

Every single person who has watched salamon rondon throughout his career knows full well he scores most of his goals in the box from crosses!

We are simply not playing the correct way to play to the lads strengths!

We need the side to be pushing higher up the pitch, with two wingers who want to cross the ball at every opportunity. We also need our team to be keeping the ball better, which will also help rondon get into the box instead of coming deep

With rondon in the box more, he would score 15 goals a season! I am 100percent confident of that as ive watched his career over the years!


Agree but whats the solution :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 05, 2017, 10:29:59 AM

Agree but whats the solution :D

Either a new manager, or the current one to suddenly abandon the methods that have bought him in his eyes 20 years of success whilst removing the glass ceiling he has put on his own ambitions and completely changing the way he coaches and sets up for games in the next 8 weeks.

With that in mind I think I'll see if anyone is offering odds of Rondon scoring between 7-9 goals next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 05, 2017, 11:06:20 AM
and you can put it anyway you like but he scored 21 goals less than the top scorer! I think goals scored are a more important stat for a goal scorer than chances missed.

Fair enough, so with that way of thinking... you would think rondon is better than the likes of Rooney, rashford, sterling and anyone else he has scored more goals than?

There's ALOT more to it than just how many goals you have scored... especially if you consider our set up and what's expected of our lone striker. Doesn't take a genius to work out you only have to look at rondons history to see he can score... and pulis' history to see that his strikers never really reach a good enough amount of goals per season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2017, 11:07:28 AM
You can put it however you like, he still only missed 5 more shorts than the top goal scorer this season.

And scored around 20 less goals than him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on June 05, 2017, 12:03:09 PM
I've said it before we should play a system that suits our squad's strengths not make our squad fit TP system.
If you look at our squad there are a lot of 1st team playing out of position. Chadli is a 10 not a winger Brunt is not a left back Dawson isn't a right back the list just goes on & on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 05, 2017, 01:16:51 PM
I've said it before we should play a system that suits our squad's strengths not make our squad fit TP system.
If you look at our squad there are a lot of 1st team playing out of position. Chadli is a 10 not a winger Brunt is not a left back Dawson isn't a right back the list just goes on & on.

Chaldi played out wide for Spurs and rarely played as a no 10.
Brunt has played left back when we've had Nyom at right back, and Brunt hasn't look bad.
Are we now saying that Dawson isn't good enough at right back?

Out of those players there the only one I would argue that has merit for moving would be trying Chadli as a number 10.  Brunt and Dawson I'm fine with.

Please do go on and on.  Who else?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 05, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
Have you not witnessed the amount of goals Brunt has cost us playing at left back?  :-X

The truth is, none of Brunt, Nyom and Dawson are good enough to be starting at full back for us. Nyom gets done by the flight of the ball too often and is far more effective coming forward than defending, Brunt gets rinsed time and time again by anyone with pace (Deulofeu and Zaha both embarrassed him last season) and Dawson is clearly a centre back playing right back, distribution not up to it.

If we do not sort both positions this summer I will be extremely concerned.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 05, 2017, 01:29:32 PM
Your all completely missing the point... well some!

Every single person who has watched salamon rondon throughout his career knows full well he scores most of his goals in the box from crosses!

We are simply not playing the correct way to play to the lads strengths!

We need the side to be pushing higher up the pitch, with two wingers who want to cross the ball at every opportunity. We also need our team to be keeping the ball better, which will also help rondon get into the box instead of coming deep

With rondon in the box more, he would score 15 goals a season! I am 100percent confident of that as ive watched his career over the years!

Well we were the 8th highest crossers this season, 1 behind 7th, so it's not like we haven't been crossing the ball enough. Over 750 across the season

We also scored a load of goals from corners too this year, although these were mostly scored by the defenders
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 05, 2017, 01:50:44 PM
Well we were the 8th highest crossers this season, 1 behind 7th, so it's not like we haven't been crossing the ball enough. Over 750 across the season

We also scored a load of goals from corners too this year, although these were mostly scored by the defenders

8th has always been 1 behind 7th hasn't it?  :D

The amount of work we allegedly put into our set piece moves would suggest that they are designed for our defenders  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on June 05, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
Well we were the 8th highest crossers this season, 1 behind 7th, so it's not like we haven't been crossing the ball enough. Over 750 across the season

We also scored a load of goals from corners too this year, although these were mostly scored by the defenders
Do corners count in the crosses stat or is that purely from open play?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 05, 2017, 02:37:35 PM
Fair enough, so with that way of thinking... you would think rondon is better than the likes of Rooney, rashford, sterling and anyone else he has scored more goals than?

There's ALOT more to it than just how many goals you have scored... especially if you consider our set up and what's expected of our lone striker. Doesn't take a genius to work out you only have to look at rondons history to see he can score... and pulis' history to see that his strikers never really reach a good enough amount of goals per season.

Rashford is the only 1 of those players that is a recognised centre forward though so not exactly like for like. Rooney plays behind the striker or in midfield and Sterling is a winger, Rashford didn't exactly get a lot of game time last season either so not really a comparison I would make.

Doesn't take a genius to look at Rondon's scoring history and see that it was in leagues that are below the standard of the premier league....mostly the Russian league.

The way we set up may have an impact on Rondons' ability to score goals I've never said it doesn't I just don't think it's the main reason he misses. He had something like a 16 game barren spell last season. That wasn't down to the way we play as he had chances to score but didn't.

After last season the main excuse was that he was new to the division and needed time to get used to it, this season he has been even worse and suddenly it's how we play even though we've been far more attacking this season than last.
Maybe he just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 05, 2017, 03:27:33 PM
Chaldi played out wide for Spurs and rarely played as a no 10.
Brunt has played left back when we've had Nyom at right back, and Brunt hasn't look bad.
Are we now saying that Dawson isn't good enough at right back?

Out of those players there the only one I would argue that has merit for moving would be trying Chadli as a number 10.  Brunt and Dawson I'm fine with.

Please do go on and on.  Who else?

Tbh I think that's been pretty apparent since he's been there, awful distribution and is at fault for way too many goals considering he is a converted centre back.

As for Chadli, playing left winger for Spurs is completely different to playing secondary left back under Pulis.

Back to Rondon, I don't think anyone could argue that this team is set up for him to be a prolific goalscorer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 05, 2017, 04:15:26 PM
8th has always been 1 behind 7th hasn't it?  :D

The amount of work we allegedly put into our set piece moves would suggest that they are designed for our defenders  ;)

1 cross behind 7th  :P

Do corners count in the crosses stat or is that purely from open play?

Purely open play. We didn't actually have that many corners; we were 18th or something in the league for total number of them, but managed to score the highest amount from them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 05, 2017, 05:28:58 PM
Chaldi played out wide for Spurs and rarely played as a no 10.
Brunt has played left back when we've had Nyom at right back, and Brunt hasn't look bad.
Are we now saying that Dawson isn't good enough at right back?

Out of those players there the only one I would argue that has merit for moving would be trying Chadli as a number 10.  Brunt and Dawson I'm fine with.

Please do go on and on.  Who else?

wait wait wait, was anyone ever saying Dawson was good enough at right back? I will agree with you on Chadli. However, while I think Brunt may be the best option at LB right now given the roster that certainly can't and shouldn't be the long-term solution at LB.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 05, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
Well we were the 8th highest crossers this season, 1 behind 7th, so it's not like we haven't been crossing the ball enough. Over 750 across the season

We also scored a load of goals from corners too this year, although these were mostly scored by the defenders

do those stats show how many people were in the box when the cross was made? Because I'm not even going to try to count how many times Rondon was the only one in there when the ball was whipped in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on June 05, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
Have you not witnessed the amount of goals Brunt has cost us playing at left back?  :-X

The truth is, none of Brunt, Nyom and Dawson are good enough to be starting at full back for us. Nyom gets done by the flight of the ball too often and is far more effective coming forward than defending, Brunt gets rinsed time and time again by anyone with pace (Deulofeu and Zaha both embarrassed him last season) and Dawson is clearly a centre back playing right back, distribution not up to it.

If we do not sort both positions this summer I will be extremely concerned.

My point was playing players out of position, Brunt is not a left back. Chadli isn't a wide player, just be course TP plays them in those positions.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on June 05, 2017, 06:00:06 PM
My point was playing players out of position, Brunt is not a left back. Chadli isn't a wide player, just be course TP plays them in those positions.

Except he predominantly played there for Spurs:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nacer-chadli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/59631/plus/0/saison/2015/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/148

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nacer-chadli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/59631/plus/0/saison/2014/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/148

And even going back to when he was at FC Twente:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nacer-chadli/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/59631/plus/0/saison/2012/wettbewerb/NL1/verein/317

But this thread isn't about Chadli, it's about Rondon...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bakebaggie on June 05, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Speaking of Rondon, watched him play 94 minutes for Venezuela against USA Saturday night in Utah, about 4,500 feet above sea level. Ran his socks off as usual, had a few chances (none easy). Match ended 1-1. What he did do was captivate the full attention of the US defense opening things up for his teammates. He was also captain for Venezuela.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 05, 2017, 06:26:46 PM
Speaking of Rondon, watched him play 94 minutes for Venezuela against USA Saturday night in Utah, about 4,500 feet above sea level. Ran his socks off as usual, had a few chances (none easy). Match ended 1-1. What he did do was captivate the full attention of the US defense opening things up for his teammates. He was also captain for Venezuela.

Now steady on there chap .............

............ not sure there's a stat' to accurately define the value of movement off the ball  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 05, 2017, 06:30:40 PM
Now steady on there chap .............

............ not sure there's a stat' to accurately define the value of movement off the ball  ;D  ;) .
give the brom time and he will come up with one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 05, 2017, 06:38:22 PM
Speaking of Rondon, watched him play 94 minutes for Venezuela against USA Saturday night in Utah, about 4,500 feet above sea level. Ran his socks off as usual, had a few chances (none easy). Match ended 1-1. What he did do was captivate the full attention of the US defense opening things up for his teammates. He was also captain for Venezuela.

I don't really talk about it because it's not really of that much importance to WBA fans but Rondon has become a much better player for Venezuela since joining this club. Pulis acquired an in-the-box striker and has tried his best to turn him into an out-the-box striker and while Rondon clearly can't perform those duties at a high level each time out it has definitely improved his overall game with the NT. He was already our best striker before joining WBA but now he's on a different level than any other striker for Venezuela (who usually play another striker up top with him, usually in a 442).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 05, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
I don't really talk about it because it's not really of that much importance to WBA fans but Rondon has become a much better player for Venezuela since joining this club. Pulis acquired an in-the-box striker and has tried his best to turn him into an out-the-box striker and while Rondon clearly can't perform those duties at a high level each time out it has definitely improved his overall game with the NT. He was already our best striker before joining WBA but now he's on a different level than any other striker for Venezuela (who usually play another striker up top with him, usually in a 442).

Cheers for that vrabbit.

Great to get some extra insight, much appreciated  8) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 05, 2017, 08:38:42 PM
do those stats show how many people were in the box when the cross was made? Because I'm not even going to try to count how many times Rondon was the only one in there when the ball was whipped in.

Apologies, was just responding to the post that said we don't put enough crosses in the box. Unfortunately we established earlier in the season that the things Rondon is praised for can't be measured. I'm just providing the things that can be measured. Funny how for other players ala Fletcher, Dawson, Yacob, Livermore their passing and tackling stats seem so important, but when it comes to the strikers we aren't allowed to judge them on goals or stats to do with being a target man?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 05, 2017, 09:30:48 PM
Apologies, was just responding to the post that said we don't put enough crosses in the box. Unfortunately we established earlier in the season that the things Rondon is praised for can't be measured. I'm just providing the things that can be measured. Funny how for other players ala Fletcher, Dawson, Yacob, Livermore their passing and tackling stats seem so important, but when it comes to the strikers we aren't allowed to judge them on goals or stats to do with being a target man?

you can judge them on goals or stats to do with being a target man but if the brunt of your opinions of a WBA striker are going to come from that then you're not really understanding what you're seeing at the stadium or on TV every week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 06, 2017, 08:08:32 AM
you can judge them on goals or stats to do with being a target man but if the brunt of your opinions of a WBA striker are going to come from that then you're not really understanding what you're seeing at the stadium or on TV every week.

What else should you judge a target man on other than "goals and stats for being a target man"? Surely the stats for being a target man are the other things a target man is supposed to do other than score?

Have to say your comment about others not understanding what they see comes across as very patronising.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 06, 2017, 01:28:17 PM
Can we largely agree that...

Rondon is a decent enough striker for us when on form but needs support/competition from a new signing

Strikers will always struggle to score goals in a Pulis team and 9-11 goals would probably have to be considered a reasonable return

Regardless of the above Rondon played poorly for whatever reason in the 2nd half of last season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 06, 2017, 01:40:51 PM
Can we largely agree that...

Rondon is a decent enough striker for us when on form but needs support/competition from a new signing

Strikers will always struggle to score goals in a Pulis team and 9-11 goals would probably have to be considered a reasonable return

Regardless of the above Rondon played poorly for whatever reason in the 2nd half of last season

I think that's pretty fair, although I'd say he needs support generally not necessarily from a new signing but that he also needs to work on his ability in front of goal and his hold up play, not to go to ground looking for cheap free kicks that he isn't going to get.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 06, 2017, 02:05:15 PM
What else should you judge a target man on other than "goals and stats for being a target man"? Surely the stats for being a target man are the other things a target man is supposed to do other than score?

Have to say your comment about others not understanding what they see comes across as very patronising.

Then my apologies because that wasn't my intention.

And I don't intend to make this a TP thread either but he's asking Rondon or whoever his striker is to play for a squad that doesn't possess the ball, which results Rondon having to spend - at best - as much time near the halfway line as in or around the opponents' box. This lack of possession often results in the opponents being in or around our box, in which case everyone and their momma leaves Rondon up front to defend, a strategy tha often helps prevent a goal against but what happens next? Hoff up the ball to Rondon and tell him to hold on to it, we'll be there in a bit.

Let me tell you who Rondon isn't, and wasn't when he came here  (so it's not like he got worse at that or something): a good defender that can cut off passing lanes in midfield; a back-to-the goal striker. So you're asking him to spend much more time than your regular target man (because, again, you don't possess the ball much) exerting energy in midfield in this hopeless defensive role, being the dummy on a game of keep away between midfielders, defenders, and even the goalie. Then you're asking him to exert a ton of energy holding up the ball near midfield often against two defenders, I've seen a third one show up faster than a WBA teammate.

Then there's the tease game: when teammates do arrive on time and/or he succeeds at holding up against multiple defenders, he's gotta be quick and decisive towards the goal because so often WBA rely on catching the defense off guard to put a good ball in and they're not going to be out of place for long, but so often it turns to nothing, so often possession is with the other team again. Go back to hovering around midfield. When he does get a scoring opportunity, as sketchy as it may be, you guys kill him when he doesn't score, subconsciously really frustrated by years of having few scoring opportunities/game, you certainly don't want to see chances being "wasted" (because, you know, every striker ever scores every chance they get as the stats recently posted here show). What's worse is that you think Rondon doesn't care, he probably isn't as frustrated as you, you think. Who cares if these quick WBA attacks often turn into a ball being whipped into the box for Rondon against two defenders, with no other Baggie close enough to take any defenders attention, so he loses often, or he manages to put his head on the ball but it goes wide, or weakly on target. That bum Rondon,  HRK can surely do this job better.

And just so that we don't forget, this isn't me excusing Rondon for 2017, because even with all the limitations he's presented with (the above-described plus minimal fullback support, poor passing midfielders, a black hole at CAM, Matty injured), I've already stated he certainly wasn't on his A game many times over the past few months, so if you want to down him for that that's fair game.

But this "target man" role he plays is misnamed, I sure as hell haven't seen many forwards be asked to do so much non-attacking work and then be offered so little support in the attack, so why are evaluating him like a regular forward when the record clearly shows no TP striker has ever been a bonafide scorer?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 06, 2017, 02:23:33 PM
Then my apologies because that wasn't my intention.

And I don't intend to make this a TP thread either but he's asking Rondon or whoever his striker is to play for a squad that doesn't possess the ball, which results Rondon having to spend - at best - as much time near the halfway line as in or around the opponents' box. This lack of possession often results in the opponents being in or around our box, in which case everyone and their momma leaves Rondon up front to defend, a strategy tha often helps prevent a goal against but what happens next? Hoff up the ball to Rondon and tell him to hold on to it, we'll be there in a bit.

Let me tell you who Rondon isn't, and wasn't when he came here  (so it's not like he got worse at that or something): a good defender that can cut off passing lanes in midfield; a back-to-the goal striker. So you're asking him to spend much more time than your regular target man (because, again, you don't possess the ball much) exerting energy in midfield in this hopeless defensive role, being the dummy on a game of keep away between midfielders, defenders, and even the goalie. Then you're asking him to exert a ton of energy holding up the ball near midfield often against two defenders, I've seen a third one show up faster than a WBA teammate.

Then there's the tease game: when teammates do arrive on time and/or he succeeds at holding up against multiple defenders, he's gotta be quick and decisive towards the goal because so often WBA rely on catching the defense off guard to put a good ball in and they're not going to be out of place for long, but so often it turns to nothing, so often possession is with the other team again. Go back to hovering around midfield. When he does get a scoring opportunity, as sketchy as it may be, you guys kill him when he doesn't score, subconsciously really frustrated by years of having few scoring opportunities/game, you certainly don't want to see chances being "wasted" (because, you know, every striker ever scores every chance they get as the stats recently posted here show). What's worse is that you think Rondon doesn't care, he probably isn't as frustrated as you, you think. Who cares if these quick WBA attacks often turn into a ball being whipped into the box for Rondon against two defenders, with no other Baggie close enough to take any defenders attention, so he loses often, or he manages to put his head on the ball but it goes wide, or weakly on target. That bum Rondon,  HRK can surely do this job better.

And just so that we don't forget, this isn't me excusing Rondon for 2017, because even with all the limitations he's presented with (the above-described plus minimal fullback support, poor passing midfielders, a black hole at CAM, Matty injured), I've already stated he certainly wasn't on his A game many times over the past few months, so if you want to down him for that that's fair game.

But this "target man" role he plays is misnamed, I sure as hell haven't seen many forwards be asked to do so much non-attacking work and then be offered so little support in the attack, so why are evaluating him like a regular forward when the record clearly shows no TP striker has ever been a bonafide scorer?

A very good post and I agree with a lot of what you say, our style doesn't particularly suit him and he is often isolated. However:
My main gripes with Rondon aren't just that he doesn't score many goals it's that when he does get chances they are rarely on target, I wouldn't mind him missing if he made the keeper make a save around 50% of the time but he usually balloons them wide or over the bar.
 For someone with his build he is incredibly easy to knock off the ball and has resorted now to going down under minimum contact from defenders looking for cheap freekicks he doesn't get . He doesn't often hold the ball up.
He scored 1 goal for every 11.7 chances he got, he didn't score for 16 games; that isn't all down to Pulis and the way we play.

For me Rondon is at least as much to blame as Pulis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on June 06, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
A very good post and I agree with a lot of what you say, our style doesn't particularly suit him and he is often isolated. However:
My main gripes with Rondon aren't just that he doesn't score many goals it's that when he does get chances they are rarely on target, I wouldn't mind him missing if he made the keeper make a save around 50% of the time but he usually balloons them wide or over the bar.
 For someone with his build he is incredibly easy to knock off the ball and has resorted now to going down under minimum contact from defenders looking for cheap freekicks he doesn't get . He doesn't often hold the ball up.
He scored 1 goal for every 11.7 chances he got, he didn't score for 16 games; that isn't all down to Pulis and the way we play.

For me Rondon is at least as much to blame as Pulis.

Could you concede that
a) he might be dis-heartened not playing to his strengths
b) he may be falling over because he has been coached to, dead balls are our most effective weapon, so make as many dead ball situations as possible by falling over!? Maybe?
c) he is the lone striker and may not be fully fit but has to play
d) Fletcher said some time ago that the team are coached to hit areas of the pitch with few or even no WBA players in it, so we can then compete for the second ball (bizarre logic in my mind)
e) all or some of the above can result in poor confidence and therefore either trying too hard or just a simple loss of form.

What is effective for the team (TP football) isn't always going to be effective for individuals and IMO Rondon is suffering because of this.

VRabbit, I get the impression you think all Albion fans are getting on Rondons case, thats not true,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 06, 2017, 05:08:21 PM
Could you concede that
a) he might be dis-heartened not playing to his strengths
b) he may be falling over because he has been coached to, dead balls are our most effective weapon, so make as many dead ball situations as possible by falling over!? Maybe?
c) he is the lone striker and may not be fully fit but has to play
d) Fletcher said some time ago that the team are coached to hit areas of the pitch with few or even no WBA players in it, so we can then compete for the second ball (bizarre logic in my mind)
e) all or some of the above can result in poor confidence and therefore either trying too hard or just a simple loss of form.

What is effective for the team (TP football) isn't always going to be effective for individuals and IMO Rondon is suffering because of this.

VRabbit, I get the impression you think all Albion fans are getting on Rondons case, thats not true,

not at all, I do feel that a majority of Albion fans are fed up with Rondon which is why my general tone reflects that, but I do know I'm not the only one who would disagree with the idea that "Rondon is at least as much to blame as Pulis", to me that's absurd. It's using Salo as a scapegoat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 06, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
I think rondon standards dropped abit but that's probably down to complacency lack of competition for his shirt and probably frustration to how we play under pulis.

The way we set up and play we ask for miracles from rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 07, 2017, 06:21:15 AM
not at all, I do feel that a majority of Albion fans are fed up with Rondon which is why my general tone reflects that, but I do know I'm not the only one who would disagree with the idea that "Rondon is at least as much to blame as Pulis", to me that's absurd. It's using Salo as a scapegoat.
It's not absurd or using Rondon as a scapegoat at all, if I was scapegoating him I'd be saying it's all his fault but I'm not I'm saying he has to share the blame for his poor form with Pulis.
Also how come he scored more goals from less chances in a team playing much more defensively last season than this then if it's all down to tactics/Pulis.
I think you're stoic defence of Rondon is largely based on a shared Nationality.

Could you concede that
a) he might be dis-heartened not playing to his strengths
b) he may be falling over because he has been coached to, dead balls are our most effective weapon, so make as many dead ball situations as possible by falling over!? Maybe?
c) he is the lone striker and may not be fully fit but has to play
d) Fletcher said some time ago that the team are coached to hit areas of the pitch with few or even no WBA players in it, so we can then compete for the second ball (bizarre logic in my mind)
e) all or some of the above can result in poor confidence and therefore either trying too hard or just a simple loss of form.

What is effective for the team (TP football) isn't always going to be effective for individuals and IMO Rondon is suffering because of this.

VRabbit, I get the impression you think all Albion fans are getting on Rondons case, thats not true,

Of course I can concede your points Albionic. Can you also concede that it may be because Rondon just isn't quite up to this standard?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 07, 2017, 06:51:39 AM
Hull, I guess it really depends on how much YOU blame Pulis. I put A LOT of blame on him and therefore the idea that Rondon shares blame equally with him is a bit much. And while nationality obviously makes me a Rondon fan I try to keep an objective perspective, it's why I don't even dare to question he had a poor second half of the season. No one has yet to respond to my comment that his full 2016 (January through December) was really really good, a much larger sample size so how do we explain that?

On one end there's a guy with an established scoring rate in Spain, Russia, CL and UEL, and on the other end there's a manager with an established record of not having high-scoring players. Those are facts.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 07, 2017, 08:39:08 AM
Hull, I guess it really depends on how much YOU blame Pulis. I put A LOT of blame on him and therefore the idea that Rondon shares blame equally with him is a bit much. And while nationality obviously makes me a Rondon fan I try to keep an objective perspective, it's why I don't even dare to question he had a poor second half of the season. No one has yet to respond to my comment that his full 2016 (January through December) was really really good, a much larger sample size so how do we explain that?

On one end there's a guy with an established scoring rate in Spain, Russia, CL and UEL, and on the other end there's a manager with an established record of not having high-scoring players. Those are facts.

I think Pulis has to take some of the blame but Rondon also has to take his share of the blame. Same with Chadli.
I think he had a good 2016 rather than a really really good 2016, but why are we missing out the games he played in 2015 and 2017. I'd rather judge him on his whole time at the Albion and in that time he has declined that is also a fact. He scored more goals in a team playing more defensively last season that is another fact. We created more chances for him this season, he scored less goals. He got worse.

His inability to hold the ball up is another concern for me too as is the fact that he is often bullied off the ball by smaller players. A smart player would surely be able to adapt their game to suit their situation?

He misses far too many chances that he should at least be getting on target, as I've repeatedly said it's not so much his lack of goals that bothers me it's his inability to even hit the target.

A high scoring rate in lesser leagues is hardly a good bench mark. What those stats don't show is who the goals were against? Was he a regular scorer against the top sides in Spain and Russia or did he score most of his goals against the sides at the bottom?
Also his goals in the Cl and EL may well have all come in qualifying rounds or in matches against the weaker teams in the group rather than against tougher opposition. I genuinely have no idea who he scored against in those competitions.

Most fans will accept that we played a more attacking style of play and were quicker on the counter attack between November and the end of February last season when we picked up the majority of our points. Now that is supposed to be a style of play that suits Rondon yet he scored 4 goals and 1 assist out of the 21 goals we scored. Surely our main striker should be contributing more than that?

Until we either get rid of Pulis and get a coach who plays more conssistently to Rondons' style or Rondon moves to another Pl side with a style of play more suited to him we will always be arguing over where the blame lies for his declining form.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on June 07, 2017, 09:04:49 AM
Sorry All but after watching him for 2 years he is not a good Premier League striker. He is slow, doesn't jump, cant hold a ball up, fails to close down defenders, never makes runs  and cant get chances on target
He has had numerous opportunities to get shots away and fails all the time
The best player we have had to perform  that role in recent times is Marc Antoine Fortune and Rondon is nowhere near him as a lone striker
I am not counting Odemwingie as he was a different type of striker (and the only true PL striker we have had)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on June 07, 2017, 09:22:52 AM
Sorry All but after watching him for 2 years he is not a good Premier League striker. He is slow, doesn't jump, cant hold a ball up, fails to close down defenders, never makes runs  and cant get chances on target
He has had numerous opportunities to get shots away and fails all the time
The best player we have had to perform  that role in recent times is Marc Antoine Fortune and Rondon is nowhere near him as a lone striker
I am not counting Odemwingie as he was a different type of striker (and the only true PL striker we have had)

I agree. We should be looking for 2 new strikers as neither of the ones we have are good enough to be no 1 or 2. I actually favour RK over SR,and if we keep 1 of then I'd rather it were RK.  Anichibe had the skills we wanted , it's a pity he was so mentally and physically fragile.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on June 07, 2017, 09:41:05 AM
I think Pulis has to take some of the blame but Rondon also has to take his share of the blame. Same with Chadli.
I think he had a good 2016 rather than a really really good 2016, but why are we missing out the games he played in 2015 and 2017. I'd rather judge him on his whole time at the Albion and in that time he has declined that is also a fact. He scored more goals in a team playing more defensively last season that is another fact. We created more chances for him this season, he scored less goals. He got worse.

His inability to hold the ball up is another concern for me too as is the fact that he is often bullied off the ball by smaller players. A smart player would surely be able to adapt their game to suit their situation?

He misses far too many chances that he should at least be getting on target, as I've repeatedly said it's not so much his lack of goals that bothers me it's his inability to even hit the target.

A high scoring rate in lesser leagues is hardly a good bench mark. What those stats don't show is who the goals were against? Was he a regular scorer against the top sides in Spain and Russia or did he score most of his goals against the sides at the bottom?
Also his goals in the Cl and EL may well have all come in qualifying rounds or in matches against the weaker teams in the group rather than against tougher opposition. I genuinely have no idea who he scored against in those competitions.

Most fans will accept that we played a more attacking style of play and were quicker on the counter attack between November and the end of February last season when we picked up the majority of our points. Now that is supposed to be a style of play that suits Rondon yet he scored 4 goals and 1 assist out of the 21 goals we scored. Surely our main striker should be contributing more than that?

Until we either get rid of Pulis and get a coach who plays more conssistently to Rondons' style or Rondon moves to another Pl side with a style of play more suited to him we will always be arguing over where the blame lies for his declining form.
I fear we won't really know how good, or bad, he is until he moves on.

The truth is that Pulis sides never have, and probably never will, produce or support a 15-20 goal a season striker, so it becomes a bit of a moot point to judge them on goals scored.

As for his all round game and contribution, at times he's looked unplayable and MotM by a mile, at others he's looked like a non league player. Whether it's confidence or external forces, he just seems a bit to inconsistent for this side and this league.
He may move on to a more attack minded team and set the world alight but I doubt it, more likely he will still suffer the same peaks and troughs that he has here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on June 07, 2017, 09:45:42 AM
It's not absurd or using Rondon as a scapegoat at all, if I was scapegoating him I'd be saying it's all his fault but I'm not I'm saying he has to share the blame for his poor form with Pulis.
Also how come he scored more goals from less chances in a team playing much more defensively last season than this then if it's all down to tactics/Pulis.
I think you're stoic defence of Rondon is largely based on a shared Nationality.
Of course I can concede your points Albionic. Can you also concede that it may be because Rondon just isn't quite up to this standard?

I can concede that MAY be the case, but i the absence of facts, my opinion is Rondons downturn in conversion  rate may be due to to an amalgam of factors not all of which are down to Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 07, 2017, 10:20:35 AM
I can concede that MAY be the case, but i the absence of facts, my opinion is Rondons downturn in conversion  rate may be due to to an amalgam of factors not all of which are down to Rondon.

And they are also not all down to Pulis but both have to take responsibility that's always been my point. Other posters, not you in particular, seem to want to blame Pulis for all the ills with players and whilst he obviously has a role in that the players have to shoulder the blame as well.

I keep seeing people mention 15-20 goals. I've never ever mentioned that many goals and I wouldn't expect Rondon to get that many but with the chances he does get I think it's reasonable for him to have scored around 12 which he hasn't..he struggled to get to 8.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on June 07, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
Two issues for me , one we don't really play to his strengths.
Back to goal and balls at his throat give him little to work with whilst often out numbered. Its Pulis's way , that won't change and he has rarely had a high scorer in his sides.
Secondly Rondon simply isn't clinical , he misses guilt edge chances at this level he should be scoring.
I like him but we need more from him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on June 07, 2017, 11:47:30 AM
Rate rondon and think  he'd score  more if pulls had the balls to play two up top. At start  of last season  chadli  played of him and they were handful both scoring goals  then tp  went back to form
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 07, 2017, 12:14:35 PM
Rate rondon and think  he'd score  more if pulls had the balls to play two up top. At start  of last season  chadli  played of him and they were handful both scoring goals  then tp  went back to form

Chadli and Rondon looked good together in the game against West Ham where Chadli scored 2 (1 assist from Rondon) and made the other 2. Apart from that I don't think they linked up that well.

During our best period of the season Chadli scored 1 goal and assisted a further 2 (none of which were for Rondon), Rondon scored 4 goals and got 1 assist in the same spell.

Chadli scored 4 of his 5 goals before his operation. After his operation he didn't look anything like the same player.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on June 07, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
He receives the ball in the wrong area of the pitch, to many are just in the opponent's half & not enough on the edge of their box & that's down to our set up play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 07, 2017, 05:53:58 PM
I think Pulis has to take some of the blame but Rondon also has to take his share of the blame. Same with Chadli.
I think he had a good 2016 rather than a really really good 2016, but why are we missing out the games he played in 2015 and 2017. I'd rather judge him on his whole time at the Albion and in that time he has declined that is also a fact. He scored more goals in a team playing more defensively last season that is another fact. We created more chances for him this season, he scored less goals. He got worse.

His inability to hold the ball up is another concern for me too as is the fact that he is often bullied off the ball by smaller players. A smart player would surely be able to adapt their game to suit their situation?

He misses far too many chances that he should at least be getting on target, as I've repeatedly said it's not so much his lack of goals that bothers me it's his inability to even hit the target.

A high scoring rate in lesser leagues is hardly a good bench mark. What those stats don't show is who the goals were against? Was he a regular scorer against the top sides in Spain and Russia or did he score most of his goals against the sides at the bottom?
Also his goals in the Cl and EL may well have all come in qualifying rounds or in matches against the weaker teams in the group rather than against tougher opposition. I genuinely have no idea who he scored against in those competitions.

Most fans will accept that we played a more attacking style of play and were quicker on the counter attack between November and the end of February last season when we picked up the majority of our points. Now that is supposed to be a style of play that suits Rondon yet he scored 4 goals and 1 assist out of the 21 goals we scored. Surely our main striker should be contributing more than that?

Until we either get rid of Pulis and get a coach who plays more conssistently to Rondons' style or Rondon moves to another Pl side with a style of play more suited to him we will always be arguing over where the blame lies for his declining form.

we're coming closer to agreement then, of course Rondon has to take his share of the blame. No question. Equally as at fault as TP? That's where we differ.

I still find you a bit harsh on your overall assessment of Rondon, feel like you're judging him more by how he has performed lately (which in fairness is what how this business is) than his overall production. Wouldn't it be fair to state that his first half season here (2015) he was adjusting to his new team? 3 goals and 2 assists in 18 games (16 starts). In 2016 he goes on to score 7 goals (+ 1 assist) in the second half of his first season at the club (22 games, 19 starts, 1 DNP) and then 7 more (+ 2 assists) in the second half of the year (20 games, 17 starts). You define 14 goals and 3 assists over a full year in a TP side as just GOOD? You  just said him getting 12 goals on this side would be reasonable.

Yes he is highly inconsistent at holding up the ball, not one of his strengths. However, playing in a different system with the NT it's so noticeable that that aspect of his game has gotten better. Yes he's had a poor 2017 so far.

I think he's the guy that has scored against Sevilla (multiple times, including in UEL), Valencia, Atletico, Barcelona (2 different times), Inter (UEL, 2 different times), Zenit, CSKA, Dortmund (UEL), Leverkusen (CL), and PSV (UEL x2) among other clubs (because you want to make sure I point out the top competition), had an ok first half season at Albion before a VERY GOOD 2016.

You seem to think he is the guy who has had a poor 2017.

He's 27, in his prime. I'm just not ready to write him off yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 07, 2017, 06:31:31 PM
Hull, I guess it really depends on how much YOU blame Pulis. I put A LOT of blame on him and therefore the idea that Rondon shares blame equally with him is a bit much. And while nationality obviously makes me a Rondon fan I try to keep an objective perspective, it's why I don't even dare to question he had a poor second half of the season. No one has yet to respond to my comment that his full 2016 (January through December) was really really good, a much larger sample size so how do we explain that?

On one end there's a guy with an established scoring rate in Spain, Russia, CL and UEL, and on the other end there's a manager with an established record of not having high-scoring players. Those are facts.

He's only scored one goal in the whole of 2017 so far
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on June 07, 2017, 07:32:35 PM
Rate rondon and think  he'd score  more if pulls had the balls to play two up top. At start  of last season  chadli  played of him and they were handful both scoring goals  then tp  went back to form
....and Phillips was playing who drifted inside as a second striker on occasions and did a bit of the battling that Rondon is usually on his own to do. It's not so much playing two up top but obviously decent support from wider players / AM helps.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2017, 08:08:56 AM
we're coming closer to agreement then, of course Rondon has to take his share of the blame. No question. Equally as at fault as TP? That's where we differ.

I still find you a bit harsh on your overall assessment of Rondon, feel like you're judging him more by how he has performed lately (which in fairness is what how this business is) than his overall production. Wouldn't it be fair to state that his first half season here (2015) he was adjusting to his new team? 3 goals and 2 assists in 18 games (16 starts). In 2016 he goes on to score 7 goals (+ 1 assist) in the second half of his first season at the club (22 games, 19 starts, 1 DNP) and then 7 more (+ 2 assists) in the second half of the year (20 games, 17 starts). You define 14 goals and 3 assists over a full year in a TP side as just GOOD? You  just said him getting 12 goals on this side would be reasonable.

Yes he is highly inconsistent at holding up the ball, not one of his strengths. However, playing in a different system with the NT it's so noticeable that that aspect of his game has gotten better. Yes he's had a poor 2017 so far.

I think he's the guy that has scored against Sevilla (multiple times, including in UEL), Valencia, Atletico, Barcelona (2 different times), Inter (UEL, 2 different times), Zenit, CSKA, Dortmund (UEL), Leverkusen (CL), and PSV (UEL x2) among other clubs (because you want to make sure I point out the top competition), had an ok first half season at Albion before a VERY GOOD 2016.

You seem to think he is the guy who has had a poor 2017.

He's 27, in his prime. I'm just not ready to write him off yet.

Thanks for letting me know the sides he has scored against in Spain, Russia, EL and CL. Some very good sides there, can't argue with that.

I'm not sure why you want to keep judging him on 2016 alone (apart from the fact that using that as a stat makes him look better). I'm judging him on the 2 seasons he's had with us which is the more logical approach to take. By all the stats he was better in his first season with us when we were playing even less to his strengths than last year and he was also getting used to playing in the premier league. Why? Surely if it's down to tactics then he should have been worse in his first season with a side that rarely attacked and failed to score a goal a game...and in fact went something like 7 games without registering a shot on target. Last season we played more attacking football more often, got more balls into the box, he had more chances than in his first season yet scored less.

As for your comment about 14 goals in a year , again that's spread over 2 seasons. I said I'd expect him to get 12 goals a season which over 2 seasons would be 24 and he's got 18 which is good but not very good.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2017, 08:12:38 AM
He receives the ball in the wrong area of the pitch, to many are just in the opponent's half & not enough on the edge of their box & that's down to our set up play.

what about the chances he does get that he misses though. I accept that he is often isolated but when he does get decent chances he misses more often than not.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2017, 09:45:42 AM
what about the chances he does get that he misses though. I accept that he is often isolated but when he does get decent chances he misses more often than not.


A quote that could be attributed to every centre forward in the history of the game.


No one has a better than 50 percent conversion rate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 08, 2017, 12:43:52 PM
I know everyone on here loves my stats posts, so here goes.

I've been meaning to post these stats for a while, but haven't had time. Sacrificed some of my lunch break for it as I'm that sad  :P. A lot has been argued about how many chances Rondon misses, and how other strikers also miss chances. But when you look at the figures below, you'll see that Rondon's conversion rate when compared equally against other strikers is by far the worst. This is where we must improve.

Here are the stats for shot conversion for strikers in every team last season. That is, the percentage of shots/headers that ended up being a goal. I've taken the top two scorers from each team to keep it comparable. In most cases these are the team's main two strikers. Unfortunately as GMac was our second top scorer and he's a defender, the premier league didn't have stats on how many shots he'd had.

Arsenal

Sanchez - 19%
Giroud - 31%

Bournemouth

King - 24%
Stanislas - 17%

Burnley

Gray - 19%
Vokes - 18%

Chelsea

Costa - 18%
Hazard - 21%

Crystal Palace

Benteke - 14%
Zaha - 14%

Everton

Lukaku - 23%
Barkley - 6%

Hull

Niasse - 15%
Snodgrass - 14%

Leicester

Vardy - 25%
Slimani - 20%

Liverpool

Coutinho - 12%
Mane - 23%

Man City

Aguero - 14%
Jesus - 78%

Man Utd

Ibrahimovic - 15%
Mata - 15%

Middlesborough

Negredo - 13%
Stuani - 19%

Southampton

Austin - 16%
Redmond - 9%

Stoke

Arnautovic - 10%
Peter Crouch - 19%

Sunderland

Defoe - 15%
Anichebe - 10%

Swansea

Llorente - 29%
Sigurdsson - 8%

Tottenham

Kane - 26%
Ali - 19%

Watford

Deeney - 24%
Capoue - 14%

West Brom

Rondon - 9%

West Ham

Antonio - 13%
Lanzini - 12%

Average across the above - 20%

Average without Jesus (who is a bit of an anomaly) - 18%

The average top two forwards in every team therefore have a shot conversion rate of between 18% and 20%, around 1 in 5.

Rondon's last season's conversion rate was 8.5%, less than 1 in 10 chances converted. The only two forwards with lower rates in the list were Sigurdsson and Barkley, who aren't exactly strikers.

This is the issue that some fans have with Rondon. Fair enough we don't score many in a Pulis set up, but he's also not putting away anywhere near enough chances that he does get. It also shows that other team's strikers are around twice as likely to put away a chance than Rondon, and that is across each team.

Which is why I post stats a lot. These ones are pretty telling, and they can be equally compared across the different players. For me, he doesn't score enough goals and doesn't put enough of the chances that he does get away. I could forgive him if he was holding the ball up well each week and finding a team-mate more often than not, but last season he simply didn't. We desperately need to improve this next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2017, 04:04:39 PM

A quote that could be attributed to every centre forward in the history of the game.


No one has a better than 50 percent conversion rate.

Well yes but some forwards miss less chances than Rondon. I wouldn't expect him to have a 50% conversion rate and I've never said that he should have a 50% conversion rate , a few posts ago I said I'd be happy if 50% of his misses were saves by the goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2017, 04:08:37 PM
Well yes but some forwards miss less chances than Rondon. I wouldn't expect him to have a 50% conversion rate and I've never said that he should have a 50% conversion rate , a few posts ago I said I'd be happy if 50% of his misses were saves by the goalkeeper.


You said misses more often than not... ie  the oppisite of your statement is better than 50 percent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2017, 04:12:23 PM
A very good post and I agree with a lot of what you say, our style doesn't particularly suit him and he is often isolated. However:
My main gripes with Rondon aren't just that he doesn't score many goals it's that when he does get chances they are rarely on target, I wouldn't mind him missing if he made the keeper make a save around 50% of the time but he usually balloons them wide or over the bar.
 For someone with his build he is incredibly easy to knock off the ball and has resorted now to going down under minimum contact from defenders looking for cheap freekicks he doesn't get . He doesn't often hold the ball up.
He scored 1 goal for every 11.7 chances he got, he didn't score for 16 games; that isn't all down to Pulis and the way we play.

For me Rondon is at least as much to blame as Pulis.

There you go Jacko.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2017, 05:02:10 PM

There you go Jacko.


Don't dispute it. I was directly referencing this:


what about the chances he does get that he misses though. I accept that he is often isolated but when he does get decent chances he misses more often than not.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2017, 05:54:09 PM

Don't dispute it. I was directly referencing this:

Okay, but he does miss more often than not is that true or not? Yes no  striker scores more than 50% but other than being pedantic I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 08, 2017, 06:26:46 PM
Thanks for letting me know the sides he has scored against in Spain, Russia, EL and CL. Some very good sides there, can't argue with that.

I'm not sure why you want to keep judging him on 2016 alone (apart from the fact that using that as a stat makes him look better). I'm judging him on the 2 seasons he's had with us which is the more logical approach to take. By all the stats he was better in his first season with us when we were playing even less to his strengths than last year and he was also getting used to playing in the premier league. Why? Surely if it's down to tactics then he should have been worse in his first season with a side that rarely attacked and failed to score a goal a game...and in fact went something like 7 games without registering a shot on target. Last season we played more attacking football more often, got more balls into the box, he had more chances than in his first season yet scored less.

As for your comment about 14 goals in a year , again that's spread over 2 seasons. I said I'd expect him to get 12 goals a season which over 2 seasons would be 24 and he's got 18 which is good but not very good.

No. He gets judged over the whole two years. No question. What I'm getting at is, going forward is Rondon still the guy you want as a starter or not. That's why I cite his stats over a 12-month period + his resume prior to joining Albion. I think it's obvious this an important question for the club this summer. No matter what they need to bring some strikers to the club, but are they moving on from Rondon as the starter or does he continue to own that role? That's where I go to when I talk about his 2017 to date, obviously it was bad but do we believe that's who he is now or do we believe it was just a rough patch and he can go back to who he has been for most of his career? Obviously his '16/'17 season as a whole wasn't good, but it's also obvious it was night (2017) and day (2016).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on June 08, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
I know everyone on here loves my stats posts, so here goes.

I've been meaning to post these stats for a while, but haven't had time. Sacrificed some of my lunch break for it as I'm that sad  :P. A lot has been argued about how many chances Rondon misses, and how other strikers also miss chances. But when you look at the figures below, you'll see that Rondon's conversion rate when compared equally against other strikers is by far the worst. This is where we must improve.

Here are the stats for shot conversion for strikers in every team last season. That is, the percentage of shots/headers that ended up being a goal. I've taken the top two scorers from each team to keep it comparable. In most cases these are the team's main two strikers. Unfortunately as GMac was our second top scorer and he's a defender, the premier league didn't have stats on how many shots he'd had.

Arsenal

Sanchez - 19%
Giroud - 31%

Bournemouth

King - 24%
Stanislas - 17%

Burnley

Gray - 19%
Vokes - 18%

Chelsea

Costa - 18%
Hazard - 21%

Crystal Palace

Benteke - 14%
Zaha - 14%

Everton

Lukaku - 23%
Barkley - 6%

Hull

Niasse - 15%
Snodgrass - 14%

Leicester

Vardy - 25%
Slimani - 20%

Liverpool

Coutinho - 12%
Mane - 23%

Man City

Aguero - 14%
Jesus - 78%

Man Utd

Ibrahimovic - 15%
Mata - 15%

Middlesborough

Negredo - 13%
Stuani - 19%

Southampton

Austin - 16%
Redmond - 9%

Stoke

Arnautovic - 10%
Peter Crouch - 19%

Sunderland

Defoe - 15%
Anichebe - 10%

Swansea

Llorente - 29%
Sigurdsson - 8%

Tottenham

Kane - 26%
Ali - 19%

Watford

Deeney - 24%
Capoue - 14%

West Brom

Rondon - 9%

West Ham

Antonio - 13%
Lanzini - 12%

Average across the above - 20%

Average without Jesus (who is a bit of an anomaly) - 18%

The average top two forwards in every team therefore have a shot conversion rate of between 18% and 20%, around 1 in 5.

Rondon's last season's conversion rate was 8.5%, less than 1 in 10 chances converted. The only two forwards with lower rates in the list were Sigurdsson and Barkley, who aren't exactly strikers.

This is the issue that some fans have with Rondon. Fair enough we don't score many in a Pulis set up, but he's also not putting away anywhere near enough chances that he does get. It also shows that other team's strikers are around twice as likely to put away a chance than Rondon, and that is across each team.

Which is why I post stats a lot. These ones are pretty telling, and they can be equally compared across the different players. For me, he doesn't score enough goals and doesn't put enough of the chances that he does get away. I could forgive him if he was holding the ball up well each week and finding a team-mate more often than not, but last season he simply didn't. We desperately need to improve this next season.


Stats can mean anything 9 out of 10 people know that 😝
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 08, 2017, 07:29:46 PM

A quote that could be attributed to every centre forward in the history of the game.


No one has a better than 50 percent conversion rate.

Being pedantic Gabriel Jesus had a better than 50% conversion rate  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 08, 2017, 07:31:20 PM

Stats can mean anything 9 out of 10 people know that 😝

Except these ones are completely accurate. Taken from total shots and total goals from the official Premier League website..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 08, 2017, 08:44:43 PM
Except these ones are completely accurate. Taken from total shots and total goals from the official Premier League website..

But they are also just the percentage of shots that ended up being a goal.

There is also a goalkeeper and defenders that are there to stop the striker.

Then it would depend on the level of goalkeeper the striker in question is up against.

For example.... rondon missed only 5 (or 6... can't remember off the top of my head and on phone so can't be bothered to search for it) shots more than kane did when you take into account how many shots they both had... so for you to compare like that fairly you would have to compare the shots that are saved and shots completely off target... otherwise like Kirk said... stats can mean anything.  ;D

Obviously kane scored alot more than rondon I ain't disputing that but stats are pretty irrelevent unless it's like for like and comparing a spurs, Everton or man city set ups strikers to a tony pulis' is pretty pointless.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2017, 09:43:42 PM
Being pedantic Gabriel Jesus had a better than 50% conversion rate  :P


Come on mate, outliers don't count ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 08, 2017, 10:28:20 PM
But they are also just the percentage of shots that ended up being a goal.

There is also a goalkeeper and defenders that are there to stop the striker.

Then it would depend on the level of goalkeeper the striker in question is up against.

For example.... rondon missed only 5 (or 6... can't remember off the top of my head and on phone so can't be bothered to search for it) shots more than kane did when you take into account how many shots they both had... so for you to compare like that fairly you would have to compare the shots that are saved and shots completely off target... otherwise like Kirk said... stats can mean anything.  ;D

Obviously kane scored alot more than rondon I ain't disputing that but stats are pretty irrelevent unless it's like for like and comparing a spurs, Everton or man city set ups strikers to a tony pulis' is pretty pointless.

Yes. Yes they are. That's exactly what they are..

Kane scored more, and converted a higher percentage of his shots. As did most on the list. Which is the point I was making.

I take your point that there may be other odd factors, but all of these were taken across an entire season. They aren't just one off games. I can't believe Pulis is managing to be blamed for a striker not scoring in 9 out of 10 of his shots..

Anyway if you want to look at shots on target as well here they are as a percentage of total shots taken:

Arsenal

Sanchez - 38%
Giroud - 39%

Bournemouth

King - 46%
Stanislas - 43%

Burnley

Gray - 40%
Vokes - 40%

Chelsea

Costa - 38%
Hazard - 43%

Crystal Palace

Benteke - 38%
Zaha - 37%

Everton

Lukaku - 50%
Barkley - 34%

Hull

Niasse - 32%
Snodgrass - 38%

Leicester

Vardy - 49%
Slimani - 37%

Liverpool

Coutinho - 36%
Mane - 42%

Man City

Aguero - 38%

Man Utd

Ibrahimovic - 40%
Mata - 53%

Middlesborough

Negredo - 33%
Stuani - 48%

Southampton

Austin - 46%
Redmond - 34%

Stoke

Arnautovic - 32%
Peter Crouch - 43%

Sunderland

Defoe - 39%
Anichebe - 30%

Swansea

Llorente - 50%
Sigurdsson - 43%

Tottenham

Kane - 47%
Ali - 47%

Watford

Deeney - 43%
Capoue - 38%

West Brom

Rondon - 28%

West Ham

Antonio - 30%
Lanzini - 30%

Average across the above - 40%

That's 1 in every 2.5 shots on target as the average for the above. Rondon is less than 1 in 3.5. He also has a worse shot accuracy rate than every single other person above. Obviously more shots on target tends to equal more goals..

Any other excuses for him? Or can we agree that he needs to improve his finishing?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2017, 10:37:01 PM
Game isn't played on paper, if it was out of all those players your 4 strikers/attackers would be Lukaku (yay), Stuani (boo), Mata (meh), Lorente (boo).


This for example is why a moneyball model will never work in football as it did for the Oakland A's.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 08, 2017, 10:44:15 PM
Game isn't played on paper, if it was out of all those players your 4 strikers/attackers would be Lukaku (yay), Stuani (boo), Mata (meh), Lorente (boo).


This for example is why a moneyball model will never work in football as it did for the Oakland A's.

But it is something we can use to directly compare players on certain attributes. I'm just using them to support my argument. I don't see many facts or stats supporting any of the counter arguments if I'm honest which I think is telling.

On the stats above it would actually be Lukaku, Vardy, Mata and Llorente who have the best shot accuracy. All I'd argue still had better seasons than Rondon.

I'm not trying to say the game should be played on paper. The stats above prove what a lot of us think in that Rondon hasn't been good enough infront of goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 08, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
Yes. Yes they are. That's exactly what they are..

Kane scored more, and converted a higher percentage of his shots. As did most on the list. Which is the point I was making.

I take your point that there may be other odd factors, but all of these were taken across an entire season. They aren't just one off games. I can't believe Pulis is managing to be blamed for a striker not scoring in 9 out of 10 of his shots..

Anyway if you want to look at shots on target as well here they are as a percentage of total shots taken:

Arsenal

Sanchez - 38%
Giroud - 39%

Bournemouth

King - 46%
Stanislas - 43%

Burnley

Gray - 40%
Vokes - 40%

Chelsea

Costa - 38%
Hazard - 43%

Crystal Palace

Benteke - 38%
Zaha - 37%

Everton

Lukaku - 50%
Barkley - 34%

Hull

Niasse - 32%
Snodgrass - 38%

Leicester

Vardy - 49%
Slimani - 37%

Liverpool

Coutinho - 36%
Mane - 42%

Man City

Aguero - 38%

Man Utd

Ibrahimovic - 40%
Mata - 53%

Middlesborough

Negredo - 33%
Stuani - 48%

Southampton

Austin - 46%
Redmond - 34%

Stoke

Arnautovic - 32%
Peter Crouch - 43%

Sunderland

Defoe - 39%
Anichebe - 30%

Swansea

Llorente - 50%
Sigurdsson - 43%

Tottenham

Kane - 47%
Ali - 47%

Watford

Deeney - 43%
Capoue - 38%

West Brom

Rondon - 28%

West Ham

Antonio - 30%
Lanzini - 30%

Average across the above - 40%

That's 1 in every 2.5 shots on target as the average for the above. Rondon is less than 1 in 3.5. He also has a worse shot accuracy rate than every single other person above. Obviously more shots on target tends to equal more goals..

Any other excuses for him? Or can we agree that he needs to improve his finishing?

I ain't making excuses OR saying that he doesn't need to improve. It's quite clear to everyone that he could do better without needing your stats to see that.

I'm simply saying your 'stats' are completely pointless unless your comparing players like for like...

For example...

If Ibra and rashford played in the same set up and played the same amount of games then you can compare them fairly... whats the point comparing players stats that are clearly completely different level of quality playing in completely different set ups? That's like comparing the premiership to league one... pointless and means nothing.

Put harry kane in our set up under pulis, playing the way we play and see if he ends up top goal scorer in consecutive seasons.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 08, 2017, 11:22:15 PM
I ain't making excuses OR saying that he doesn't need to improve. It's quite clear to everyone that he could do better without needing your stats to see that.

I'm simply saying your 'stats' are completely pointless unless your comparing players like for like...

For example...

If Ibra and rashford played in the same set up and played the same amount of games then you can compare them fairly... whats the point comparing players stats that are clearly completely different level of quality playing in completely different set ups? That's like comparing the premiership to league one... pointless and means nothing.

Put harry kane in our set up under pulis, playing the way we play and see if he ends up top goal scorer in consecutive seasons.

They have been compared like for like. What you're saying would be impossible unless everyone played in the same team.

Not sure why they are 'stats' in inverted commas. They are 100% correct. Just because they show one of our players in a negative light doesn't make them any less important.

I'm sure if Rondon had the best shot on target rate or shot conversion percentage everyone would be on here shouting about it.

My point still stands. In my opinion Rondon isn't good enough and hasn't been anywhere near a premier league striker this season. I'm still waiting on what he's actually done this season to make others think otherwise. Apologies for being the only person trying to back up my points

Edit: and I was comparing them because somebody asked. I also don't agree with your point about different set ups, as how would that affect a striker's ability to hit the target with their shots?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 08, 2017, 11:39:29 PM
They have been compared like for like. What you're saying would be impossible unless everyone played in the same team.

Not sure why they are 'stats' in inverted commas. They are 100% correct. Just because they show one of our players in a negative light doesn't make them any less important.

I'm sure if Rondon had the best shot on target rate or shot conversion percentage everyone would be on here shouting about it.

My point still stands. In my opinion Rondon isn't good enough and hasn't been anywhere near a premier league striker this season. I'm still waiting on what he's actually done this season to make others think otherwise. Apologies for being the only person trying to back up my points

Edit: and I was comparing them because somebody asked. I also don't agree with your point about different set ups, as how would that affect a striker's ability to hit the target with their shots?

Pretty easily.

The likes of harry kane finds himself inside the oppositions box... with support around him when he recieves the ball... he scores for fun because its made easy for him (not that he aint a great goal scorer anyway but it helps)

The likes of rondon has to chest a 40 yard hoof down and hit and hope from outside the box the majority of the time because of the way we play and lack of support/options he has.

So you really believe that harry kane would be scoring as many goals in our current squad?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 08, 2017, 11:51:33 PM
Pretty easily.

The likes of harry kane finds himself inside the oppositions box... with support around him when he recieves the ball... he scores for fun because its made easy for him (not that he aint a great goal scorer anyway but it helps)

The likes of rondon has to chest a 40 yard hoof down and hit and hope from outside the box the majority of the time because of the way we play and lack of support/options he has.

So you really believe that harry kane would be scoring as many goals in our current squad?

It's nothing to do with that. We're talking about shots on target and accuracy.

If Rondon isn't in a position to be hitting the target or scoring he shouldn't be shooting. Likewise when he is in a better position he should be hitting the target at least.

Nothing to do with team set up and this argument that if x played here he'd be rubbish too. I'm sure Kane wouldn't lose his shooting ability and accuracy by playing for us. But hey, must be Pulis' fault that Rondon can't finish
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 09, 2017, 12:06:34 AM
I have to say I'm impressed with The Brom's commitment to this.

Let me see if I can illustrate: take Rondon's 3rd goal against Swansea back in December. It's a beautiful delivery from Brunt and an on-point jump and header from Rondon to score just above the cross bar and very near the second post, all while sandwiched by 2 Swansea defenders.

As you might imagine though, not every ball into the box is that picture perfect. On the other hand, Rondon does find himself plenty of times as the lone "target man" in the box when the ball is whipped in, surrounded by multiple defenders. He might get to the ball and connect but understandably be off target. This scenario happens more often than the third goal against Swansea.

How do you compare THAT  ^^^ to the kind of support someone like Kane gets? How is that reasonable?

And this isn't to negate the multiple times Rondon had much more clearer scoring chances and didn't come through, but you can't be this short-sighted with 1109 is trying to point out.

"If Rondon isn't in a position to be hitting the target or scoring he shouldn't be shooting." I lol'd.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 09, 2017, 06:17:31 AM
Just not good enough to be our main striker
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 07:29:01 AM
I have to say I'm impressed with The Brom's commitment to this.

Let me see if I can illustrate: take Rondon's 3rd goal against Swansea back in December. It's a beautiful delivery from Brunt and an on-point jump and header from Rondon to score just above the cross bar and very near the second post, all while sandwiched by 2 Swansea defenders.

As you might imagine though, not every ball into the box is that picture perfect. On the other hand, Rondon does find himself plenty of times as the lone "target man" in the box when the ball is whipped in, surrounded by multiple defenders. He might get to the ball and connect but understandably be off target. This scenario happens more often than the third goal against Swansea.

How do you compare THAT  ^^^ to the kind of support someone like Kane gets? How is that reasonable?

And this isn't to negate the multiple times Rondon had much more clearer scoring chances and didn't come through, but you can't be this short-sighted with 1109 is trying to point out.

"If Rondon isn't in a position to be hitting the target or scoring he shouldn't be shooting." I lol'd.

Tired of arguing again. All of what you've posted is irrelevant. You're basically saying unless Rondon gets the ball directly infront of goal with no defenders anywhere near him you don't expect him to score, and you're ok with that.

If our defenders didn't help to score the goals this season we'd have been battling for relegation. He's just not good enough
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on June 09, 2017, 08:16:47 AM
Irrespective of stats and the way we attack - I still think it's quite clear that as a finisher in 1v1 situations - his game is severely lacking for a Premier League striker. He is great in the air and good at holding it up, but when he's put through on goal he is hopeless.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
Irrespective of stats and the way we attack - I still think it's quite clear that as a finisher in 1v1 situations - his game is severely lacking for a Premier League striker. He is great in the air and good at holding it up, but when he's put through on goal he is hopeless.

Agreed, and the stats back that up respectively which is the point I was making
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 09, 2017, 09:46:09 AM
Tired of arguing again. All of what you've posted is irrelevant. You're basically saying unless Rondon gets the ball directly infront of goal with no defenders anywhere near him you don't expect him to score, and you're ok with that.

If our defenders didn't help to score the goals this season we'd have been battling for relegation. He's just not good enough

Your completely still missing the point though. Pulis strikers never score goals. As previously posted Rondons goal scoring record regardless of however you want to spin it is exactly in line and in fact above average what a CF usually scores playing in a Pulis side. If our defenders didn't score goals is completely irrelevant because they did score just like they do every single season and just like they did at Stoke. It's not a coincidence it's by design because it's exactly how Pulis sets us up to play and exactly the results he wants.

You absolve Pulis of any blame for Rondon missing chances (and I think most if not all people agree Rondon was poor 2nd half of the seasons and deserves the majority of blame for that) but completely fail to acknowledge that in 9 seasons of PL management Pulis has never created an environment where a striker can score goals to a level you seem to deem acceptable.

Now either Pulis is a terrible coach of strikers (partly true in my opinion) and has on taken 30-40 different CF's who have all failed, or much more likely the environment he creates by design is one where the CF will never shine as much as they should and perhaps would elsewhere because goals from open play make are far less important than they would be at other clubs.

You say he isn't good enough but he's played pretty much every game for 2 seasons in a row for a mid table premier league side and been top scorer on both occasions with 5 other strikers for competition in that time. It doesn't mean he is perfect or we cant try for better but it does suggest that he is fact good enough.

Put it this way, if I offered even odds right now to he fprum on our top scorer scoring more or less than 12 goals next season I'm fairly sure most of the money would be lumped on unders. Whilst thats some reflection on Rondon it's a bigger reflection in Pulis in my opinion.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: keithowba86 on June 09, 2017, 11:21:39 AM
Omg!! Gabriel jesus!! That is unreal!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 11:43:35 AM
Your completely still missing the point though. Pulis strikers never score goals. As previously posted Rondons goal scoring record regardless of however you want to spin it is exactly in line and in fact above average what a CF usually scores playing in a Pulis side. If our defenders didn't score goals is completely irrelevant because they did score just like they do every single season and just like they did at Stoke. It's not a coincidence it's by design because it's exactly how Pulis sets us up to play and exactly the results he wants.

You absolve Pulis of any blame for Rondon missing chances (and I think most if not all people agree Rondon was poor 2nd half of the seasons and deserves the majority of blame for that) but completely fail to acknowledge that in 9 seasons of PL management Pulis has never created an environment where a striker can score goals to a level you seem to deem acceptable.

Now either Pulis is a terrible coach of strikers (partly true in my opinion) and has on taken 30-40 different CF's who have all failed, or much more likely the environment he creates by design is one where the CF will never shine as much as they should and perhaps would elsewhere because goals from open play make are far less important than they would be at other clubs.

You say he isn't good enough but he's played pretty much every game for 2 seasons in a row for a mid table premier league side and been top scorer on both occasions with 5 other strikers for competition in that time. It doesn't mean he is perfect or we cant try for better but it does suggest that he is fact good enough.

Put it this way, if I offered even odds right now to he fprum on our top scorer scoring more or less than 12 goals next season I'm fairly sure most of the money would be lumped on unders. Whilst thats some reflection on Rondon it's a bigger reflection in Pulis in my opinion.

I'm not though. His shooting accuracy is worse than every other two main attackers at every other team in the league. Not sure what Pulis has to do with him shanking shots and headers?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 09, 2017, 12:07:09 PM
I'm not though. His shooting accuracy is worse than every other two main attackers at every other team in the league. Not sure what Pulis has to do with him shanking shots and headers?

Because if his shooting accuracy is so poor but he still manages to be top scorer 2 years in a row, play pretty much every game for a solid mid table side, remain Pulis 1st choice CF for both seasons ahead of 5 other strikers and score goals at a level above the average for a Pulis side then he clearly offers other qualities that offset his poor shooting.

Its also pretty clear considering his goal return, the amount of games he plays, his importance to the side and our league positions that they are both effective and valued by Pulis. The reasons they are valued is because they work in the set up employed by Pulis and that the overall goal return to an extent and certainly the type of goal scored (i.e from open play) are not as important as they would be in other PL sides.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 09, 2017, 03:17:11 PM
Because if his shooting accuracy is so poor but he still manages to be top scorer 2 years in a row, play pretty much every game for a solid mid table side, remain Pulis 1st choice CF for both seasons ahead of 5 other strikers and score goals at a level above the average for a Pulis side then he clearly offers other qualities that offset his poor shooting.

Its also pretty clear considering his goal return, the amount of games he plays, his importance to the side and our league positions that they are both effective and valued by Pulis. The reasons they are valued is because they work in the set up employed by Pulis and that the overall goal return to an extent and certainly the type of goal scored (i.e from open play) are not as important as they would be in other PL sides.

Having checked back through this thread it’s pretty clear to me that we need a goal scoring centre forward. Not just any goal scoring centre forward though but one who can hold the ball up for an age while awaiting support, bring others into play, run the channels, cross a ball with greater accuracy than those currently employed to do so, get on the end of his own crosses and convert said chances at a rate better than one in two while playing on the break from left back.

One who can single-handedly fend off the attentions of an entire defence, leaps like a salmon and heads the ball with such force and accuracy as to make a cruise missile blush. A real man, one who can defend opposing corners then attacks the near post when we have our own, selflessly freeing up space for our onrushing centre halves. One who can run and run until his lungs are fit to burst and not merely fall in an exhausted heap when the opposing centre half leans all over him yet again.

One who reflects with Zen like wisdom at his own short comings due to his mastery of statistical analysis, feels compelled to better himself in every aspect of strength training, stamina, aerodynamics and to do all of this with the finesse of a ballerina and the gentle touch of a feather. He should remain calm under pressure and never flap, yet be able to fly across continents under his own steam thus reducing the time needed between training sessions when returning from international duty. Sleep is for wimps anyway.

But most importantly of all he must thus far have escaped the attentions of the world wide scouting networks employed by those at the very top the game, and he must be cheap with a liking for black pudding, faggots and grey peas with bacon, and perhaps even a smattering of tripe which he will gleefully accept as reward for his endeavours.

I don’t expect much from the Albion this transfer window but the above is a given in my book. Anyone who cannot fulfill said criteria is by definition a useless tosser and unworthy of our iconic and world famous blue and white shirt.

Now stop fkn about and go get him Hammond  ;)  ;)  ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 09, 2017, 03:21:25 PM
Having checked back through this thread it’s pretty clear to me that we need a goal scoring centre forward. Not just any goal scoring centre forward though but one who can hold the ball up for an age while awaiting support, bring others into play, run the channels, cross a ball with greater accuracy than those currently employed to do so, get on the end of his own crosses and convert said chances at a rate better than one in two while playing on the break from left back.

One who can single-handedly fend off the attentions of an entire defence, leaps like a salmon and heads the ball with such force and accuracy as to make a cruise missile blush. A real man, one who can defend opposing corners then attacks the near post when we have our own, selflessly freeing up space for our onrushing centre halves. One who can run and run until his lungs are fit to burst and not merely fall in an exhausted heap when the opposing centre half leans all over him yet again.

One who reflects with Zen like wisdom at his own short comings due to his mastery of statistical analysis, feels compelled to better himself in every aspect of strength training, stamina, aerodynamics and to do all of this with the finesse of a ballerina and the gentle touch of a feather. He should remain calm under pressure and never flap, yet be able to fly across continents under his own steam thus reducing the time needed between training sessions when returning from international duty. Sleep is for wimps anyway.

But most importantly of all he must thus far have escaped the attentions of the world wide scouting networks employed by those at the very top the game, and he must be cheap with a liking for black pudding, faggots and grey peas with bacon, and perhaps even a smattering of tripe which he will gleefully accept as reward for his endeavours.

I don’t expect much from the Albion this transfer window but the above is a given in my book. Anyone who cannot fulfill said criteria is by definition a useless tosser and unworthy of our iconic and world famous blue and white shirt.

Now stop fkn about and go get him Hammond  ;)  ;)  ;) .

Holy smokes you just became my favorite poster LMAO
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Having checked back through this thread it’s pretty clear to me that we need a goal scoring centre forward. Not just any goal scoring centre forward though but one who can hold the ball up for an age while awaiting support, bring others into play, run the channels, cross a ball with greater accuracy than those currently employed to do so, get on the end of his own crosses and convert said chances at a rate better than one in two while playing on the break from left back.

One who can single-handedly fend off the attentions of an entire defence, leaps like a salmon and heads the ball with such force and accuracy as to make a cruise missile blush. A real man, one who can defend opposing corners then attacks the near post when we have our own, selflessly freeing up space for our onrushing centre halves. One who can run and run until his lungs are fit to burst and not merely fall in an exhausted heap when the opposing centre half leans all over him yet again.

One who reflects with Zen like wisdom at his own short comings due to his mastery of statistical analysis, feels compelled to better himself in every aspect of strength training, stamina, aerodynamics and to do all of this with the finesse of a ballerina and the gentle touch of a feather. He should remain calm under pressure and never flap, yet be able to fly across continents under his own steam thus reducing the time needed between training sessions when returning from international duty. Sleep is for wimps anyway.

But most importantly of all he must thus far have escaped the attentions of the world wide scouting networks employed by those at the very top the game, and he must be cheap with a liking for black pudding, faggots and grey peas with bacon, and perhaps even a smattering of tripe which he will gleefully accept as reward for his endeavours.

I don’t expect much from the Albion this transfer window but the above is a given in my book. Anyone who cannot fulfill said criteria is by definition a useless tosser and unworthy of our iconic and world famous blue and white shirt.

Now stop fkn about and go get him Hammond  ;)  ;)  ;) .

We've already got that in Rondon though haven't we I'm lead to believe?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on June 09, 2017, 04:04:39 PM
We've already got that in Rondon though haven't we I'm lead to believe?

If only we did!

We should get Anichebe back! ... He would be a way better striker than rondon is according to the all important stats... or we could even go for crouch or benteke  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 09, 2017, 04:09:54 PM
As I keep saying, I'm still yet to see us linked with anyone who would do a better job in the Pulis set-up.

I'm still open to suggestions, think the guy who said we should loan Diego Costa on the transfer thread was the only one that would actually be a step up...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 04:11:11 PM
As I keep saying, I'm still yet to see us linked with anyone who would do a better job in the Pulis set-up.

I'm still open to suggestions, think the guy who said we should loan Diego Costa on the transfer thread was the only one that would actually be a step up...

And I'm still yet to see anyone tell me what Rondon does that no one else possibly could do?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 09, 2017, 05:06:41 PM
And I'm still yet to see anyone tell me what Rondon does that no one else possibly could do?
he does plenty that Lambert Berahino & Anichibe couldn't/wouldn't do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 05:10:27 PM
he does plenty that Lambert Berahino & Anichibe couldn't/wouldn't do.

Such as? Again still none the wiser.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 09, 2017, 05:13:03 PM
Omg!! Gabriel jesus!! That is unreal!

on the wrong side of that 78% on that one
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 09, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
Such as? Again still none the wiser.
lambert couldn't run. anichibe was never fit and berahino was just a twonk. 3 things you couldn't accuse Rondon of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 05:46:00 PM
lambert couldn't run. anichibe was never fit and berahino was just a twonk. 3 things you couldn't accuse Rondon of.

So again Rondon's best assets are:

1. He can run
2. He doesn't get injured
3. He's a nice guy
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 09, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
So again Rondon's best assets are:

1. He can run
2. He doesn't get injured
3. He's a nice guy

Back to back top scorer in a side that actively sets up without the intention of the striker being the main attacking threat. Does a very good job of holding the ball up and attempting to bring others into play, considering he is the most isolated player in the league.

I suppose it depends on whether you base your opinion on stats, which aren't comparable between different players and teams due to an endless amount of independent variables, or whether you watch the player and the extremely difficult job he is asked to do across a 38 game season and appreciate that he is actually pretty effective at doing it.

We'd all love a prime Odemwingie going past players and creating chances from nothing, but under Pulis and the way we currently set up he wouldn't be at all suited to the lone striker role, wouldn't be able to bring the ball down or hold it up when isolated and, consequently, wouldn't see enough of the ball to score a load of goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 09, 2017, 06:14:10 PM
So again Rondon's best assets are:

1. He can run
2. He doesn't get injured
3. He's a nice guy
yep,3 things he does better than three former strikers. you asked for 1 .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 09, 2017, 06:52:16 PM
yep,3 things he does better than three former strikers. you asked for 1 .

God help us if that's all we ask for in our strikers.

Back to back top scorer in a side that actively sets up without the intention of the striker being the main attacking threat. Does a very good job of holding the ball up and attempting to bring others into play, considering he is the most isolated player in the league.

I suppose it depends on whether you base your opinion on stats, which aren't comparable between different players and teams due to an endless amount of independent variables, or whether you watch the player and the extremely difficult job he is asked to do across a 38 game season and appreciate that he is actually pretty effective at doing it.

We'd all love a prime Odemwingie going past players and creating chances from nothing, but under Pulis and the way we currently set up he wouldn't be at all suited to the lone striker role, wouldn't be able to bring the ball down or hold it up when isolated and, consequently, wouldn't see enough of the ball to score a load of goals.


That's a stat isn't it? Suppose it's ok to use that one then?

Maybe we should start using something different than points to determine league positions if it's unfair to compare different teams that set up differently and have different players
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 10, 2017, 10:58:09 AM
And I'm still yet to see anyone tell me what Rondon does that no one else possibly could do?

If you're comparing him to Costa, Kane, Lukaka then he does very little they don't do.

If you're comparing him to Championship and League 1 strikers then theres very little they can do that Rondon can't

If your comparing him to his peers such as Defoe, Austin, Long, Gray then theres stuff they do better than Rondon and stuff he does better than them.

Are you saying you genuinely can't see a single attribute in Rondon that makes him capable of performing at PL level?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on June 10, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
If you're comparing him to Costa, Kane, Lukaka then he does very little they don't do.

If you're comparing him to Championship and League 1 strikers then theres very little they can do that Rondon can't

If your comparing him to his peers such as Defoe, Austin, Long, Gray then theres stuff they do better than Rondon and stuff he does better than them.

Are you saying you genuinely can't see a single attribute in Rondon that makes him capable of performing at PL level?

Again, another reply that doesn't actually say what he's done well this season? Still waiting. I asked earlier in the year and no one could give me anything either. Seems to me he's just making the numbers up?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on June 10, 2017, 07:58:16 PM
Again, another reply that doesn't actually say what he's done well this season? Still waiting. I asked earlier in the year and no one could give me anything either. Seems to me he's just making the numbers up?
Actually Brom I did give you a reply to this probably in January and you said thanks for actually listing some things. I can't summon the energy to trawl back through the pages to find it. I will concede that his form in terms of goal scoring wasn't good enough from Jan onwards. I have said several times since that he missed Phillips more than anyone (service, close support, and the closest thing we have in the 'regular' team to a second striker).
I'll also stick with my view that Rondon needs a month with his feet up - I think he's still on Venezuela duty at the moment and its about 23 days to the start of pre-season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wabooz on June 10, 2017, 08:10:03 PM
Haven't been involved in the discussion at all but think Rondon has a really rough deal trying to play with almost no support from attacking midfielders. That's the end of it for me, he's got some ability, he has good games and bad games - but overall he just has very little to work with. Whether he holds the ball up or not, there's nobody running past him to receive it - backwards is the only way he can ever go.
 

But, I think that's the biggest problem with our team in general, rarely do our midfielders try to take on a man, rarely do our midfielders make attacking runs, rarely do our midfielders even bother to take two steps away from the opposition marking them. Hell will rain down from the skies before our players actually want the ball and come and show for it, or move into space and give the man on the ball multiple options.

For me, that's it in a nutshell, very limited bravery and willingness to attack, just sideways passes and loitering behind opposition players hoping that they don't get passed to. It's very easy to shut us down because there's never several players doing anything dangerous at once.

How much the blame lies at Pulis' feet and how much at the players', well that's up for discussion. But placing the blame on Rondon OR Robson-Kanu is just pointless for me when neither get any real service or even passing options. It's a 90 minute slog playing upfront for our team currently and it must really drain the fun out of the game.



Edit: and our fullbacks limit us a great deal in attack whilst we're at it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on June 10, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
Again, another reply that doesn't actually say what he's done well this season? Still waiting. I asked earlier in the year and no one could give me anything either. Seems to me he's just making the numbers up?

So our top scorer 2 years in a row is doing nothing than making up numbers. It's pretty clear you don't rate the guy at all but you make him sound like Mickey Evans
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 11, 2017, 03:09:03 AM
Actually Brom I did give you a reply to this probably in January and you said thanks for actually listing some things. I can't summon the energy to trawl back through the pages to find it. I will concede that his form in terms of goal scoring wasn't good enough from Jan onwards. I have said several times since that he missed Phillips more than anyone (service, close support, and the closest thing we have in the 'regular' team to a second striker).
I'll also stick with my view that Rondon needs a month with his feet up - I think he's still on Venezuela duty at the moment and its about 23 days to the start of pre-season.

I agree that he should be resting, it's totally pointless for him to be playing friendlies with Venezuela when we are already have no chance to qualify to next year's WC. This would had been a great opportunity to evaluate other Venezuelan strikers. To make it worse, he had an AWFUL game against Ecuador. Mostly everyone on the pitch that night played bad, but he stood out. Geez.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on June 18, 2017, 09:31:47 PM
Haven't been involved in the discussion at all but think Rondon has a really rough deal trying to play with almost no support from attacking midfielders. That's the end of it for me, he's got some ability, he has good games and bad games - but overall he just has very little to work with. Whether he holds the ball up or not, there's nobody running past him to receive it - backwards is the only way he can ever go.
 

But, I think that's the biggest problem with our team in general, rarely do our midfielders try to take on a man, rarely do our midfielders make attacking runs, rarely do our midfielders even bother to take two steps away from the opposition marking them. Hell will rain down from the skies before our players actually want the ball and come and show for it, or move into space and give the man on the ball multiple options.

For me, that's it in a nutshell, very limited bravery and willingness to attack, just sideways passes and loitering behind opposition players hoping that they don't get passed to. It's very easy to shut us down because there's never several players doing anything dangerous at once.

How much the blame lies at Pulis' feet and how much at the players', well that's up for discussion. But placing the blame on Rondon OR Robson-Kanu is just pointless for me when neither get any real service or even passing options. It's a 90 minute slog playing upfront for our team currently and it must really drain the fun out of the game.



Edit: and our fullbacks limit us a great deal in attack whilst we're at it.

That last point is the key we do not have any natural full backs. Dawson isn't and Nyom or Brunt are being played out of position. The key is getting a quality left back in . But we have not addressed that problem for years. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 23, 2017, 11:49:47 AM
https://twitter.com/salorondon23/status/878189780386828288

You might want to take a look at this hit the translate button and have a bit of a think  :(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 23, 2017, 05:41:37 PM
it's soon going to be 3 months of daily protests over there which are averaging about a death/day.

Not the first blatant murder that has occurred, there's no need to be firing pellet guns at short range like that against someone throwing a rock.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 12, 2017, 06:11:37 PM
Shirt off, straight down the tunnel. Didn't look like he wanted to be on the pitch at all either
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 12, 2017, 06:16:59 PM
Maybe TP sending him a message that he's not a guaranteed starter and to buck his ideas up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 12, 2017, 06:25:06 PM
Shirt off, straight down the tunnel. Didn't look like he wanted to be on the pitch at all either

Was there footage of this. His body language was off when he came on and he didn't chase like he does. In pre-season he constantly looked up for it. Is he just a massive prima donna and throws strops when he doesn't get a start?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on August 12, 2017, 06:30:07 PM
Hopefully it's just frustration that he wasn't starting and it spurs him on to improve his performances. Thought he did ok when he came on, ran at their defence and he nearly scored when his shot was saved well by Begovic to win us a corner.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie_liam on August 12, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
Playing JRod as the striker forces us to play football more and keep it on the floor.
Going on what I've seen from pre season, Rondon deserves to be 3rd choice atm! HRK has taken his chances in pre season, Rondon hasn't! Simple as!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 12, 2017, 07:07:25 PM
Was there footage of this. His body language was off when he came on and he didn't chase like he does. In pre-season he constantly looked up for it. Is he just a massive prima donna and throws strops when he doesn't get a start?!

Don't know. I was at the game and the second the whistle went he ran across the pitch to the tunnel and took his shirt off. Looked to me as though he didn't want to be there at all after coming on. Some very half hearted jogs. Everyone else stayed to clap the fans
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on August 12, 2017, 07:10:10 PM
I like him but think he will be on his way now we have J Rod.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 12, 2017, 07:13:27 PM
His head has absolutely gone. Trudging around before he come on, then strolled on late on. Had a great chance and there was a good save but clearly he doesn't want to be here and after Jay-Rods first half performance in particular, he's not going to start. Sell him. 7 goals last season, not good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie_1 on August 12, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
Just noticed over on instagram that Rondon seems to be liking a lot of Malaga/Rondon comments. I wanted to sell when that Chinese club came in, I really do hope he's on his way and I think Deeney would be a suitable replacement and one I'd be happy with if it came off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 12, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
Surely Stoke will be interested?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 13, 2017, 08:32:45 AM
Childish attitude. I hope we learn from the Berahino debacle and take the highest offer on the table now instead of dragging it out until the next transfer window and loosing 30% on the current offer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 13, 2017, 08:41:53 AM
Strike while irons hot, cut out the cancer, get rid
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on August 13, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
He'll get his chance , its up to him to take it.
I for one don't want another seaaon of struggling with two options up front.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on August 13, 2017, 09:15:21 AM
After being flush for a few years, aren't Malaga now broke?  Hard to see how they will find £20m for Rondon, and the Chinese have reigned it in significantly.

Shame if he is going to let his attitude spoil things here. He isn't a bad player, does a tough job reasonably well without being as clinical as we would like.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on August 13, 2017, 09:27:50 AM
I'd like to see Rondon up front with Jrod on the left and Phillips on the right. Jrod has mostly played up front on the left of a front three. It would also mean McClean as much as I like him would be an impact sub .

If Rondon isn't happy then it's obviously time to get rid, in such a small squad, we can't afford to have players who aren't committed .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 13, 2017, 09:31:01 AM
An alternative way of looking at it (not saying this is the case, just possible).

Rondon's played pretty much non stop for 2 years since he's been with us. He was left out of one pre season game with Pulis saying Rondon was doing extra work in training so he was left out of that game.

Maybe there's a feeling between management and fitness staff that Rondon will benefit from short spells out of the team (we haven't got enough players to leave him out all together). Maybe it's a different approach to get him a bit sharper when he does play.

Rondon doesn't seem to get injured, doesn't take the offers of extra time off in summer breaks .....obviously doesn't like being left out but we'll see if it pays dividends. It's not necessarily the end of the road for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 13, 2017, 09:49:39 AM

It's to early to make an judgement on Rondon. Was he frustrated at the end of match for missing his chance or coming off the bench late . Neither mean he has a problem with Pulis and his frustration can be taken as a positive that is is unhappy at being dropped and will fight for his place.

I would love to see him and Jay play up front together. Early signs look that Jay could be as good as Berahino when not on drugs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 13, 2017, 09:58:35 AM
No need to throw the shirt on the floor like it's rubbish
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 13, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
Just found that he started follow "WBA" (the club official account) on instagram 1 hour ago, I think he is not going to leave.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 13, 2017, 10:18:04 AM
Thought Rondon was unlucky with his chance yesterday and at least the keeper had to make a save.

His general demeanour though was the same as the back end of last season, I noticed when he lost the ball or the player he was marking passed the ball, he just lumbered about whereas when Rodriguez was on he was trying to close down the opposition defenders.

If we do sell him we need to get a replacement in first or at least have an agreement with a replacement.

As for his reaction at the end, didn't he have a sulk at Swansea too?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 13, 2017, 10:31:39 AM
If there is a falling out between player and coach just get rid there is no way back for a player as we all know from experience. However if the player is unhappy but it doesn't trigger a full blown row with Pulis carry on.

However this does highlight a problem around squad depth. No player of any quality will be happy being our 3rd choice striker for any length of time. If it is Rondon we can hold him for a season and then it's probably time to move on.

At best we can hope to have two good strikers but then the minutes have to be split fairly evenly the third is always a bit of a make weight and as for a fourth or fifth choices that some posters seem to think we need pointless.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 10:50:21 AM
Much falling out with footballers and coach not good. For someone to throw a shirt in view of supporters is criminal . Get rid. Never rated him anyway. HRK over him any day
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 13, 2017, 11:03:18 AM
If he did throw his shirt then it's not good......but at least he's upset at not playing as opposed to refusing to play which we are seeing in some places at the moment.

As long as there's no melt down I doubt he'll stay 3rd choice for long....bit of rotation could be healthy. Instead of him trudging through every game, hopefully he'll be hungrier and sharper when he does play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 13, 2017, 11:04:28 AM
That's twice he's the shirt now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nocky on August 13, 2017, 11:06:07 AM
A bit over the top all this. Clearly he was just dissappointed not to start the first game of the season.  Nothing wrong with that. We need competition for places so we'd be crazy to let him go. I actually think we'll see a fresher and better Rondon now he doesn't have to play the whole season without a rest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 13, 2017, 11:08:52 AM
At the end of the day it's the shirt we all support, it's like a flag of a country if you like.

It disrespectful throwing it on the floor, I would expect a public apology at least, or he
Can f##k right off
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on August 13, 2017, 12:04:40 PM
At the end of the day it's the shirt we all support, it's like a flag of a country if you like.

It disrespectful throwing it on the floor, I would expect a public apology at least, or he
Can f##k right off
when it comes to disrespect

I'm a Rondon admirer & think he still has a lot to offer us but I'm with you when it come to anyone who throws our color's on the floor.
I would love him to man up has I think him & Jay could gel really well .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 13, 2017, 01:08:09 PM
What do you think these lads do with the shirts when they get in the dressing room? They don't fold them up nicely and place them on the benches? Total overreaction on here to a player that gives his all for the club and was disappointed not to start.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 13, 2017, 01:36:52 PM
what they do away from the supporters of that shirt doesn't matter
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 01:49:42 PM
what they do away from the supporters of that shirt doesn't matter

Totally agree,total overreaction comment laughable
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on August 13, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
At the end of the day it's the shirt we all support, it's like a flag of a country if you like.

It disrespectful throwing it on the floor, I would expect a public apology at least, or he
Can f##k right off
100% agree no player and I mean no player should ever dis  the shirt of our club if he wants out then see ya!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 04:38:33 PM
100% agree no player and I mean no player should ever dis  the shirt of our club if he wants out then see ya!!

Well said Keith
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 13, 2017, 06:17:54 PM
the brum mail said he needed a poke with a cattle prod to get him on the pitch. :o
I like him but if he ay interested then what?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on August 13, 2017, 06:21:48 PM
Laughably over the top reactions from some fans. Virtually no player in world football gives a f##k about the club they play for, I get a feeling some fans would prefer a bunch of talentless workhorses who kiss the badge and suck up to the fans at every opportunity. Before Berahino got fat, I didn't care about what he did or said as he was a quality player on the pitch. Sessegnon refused to be on the bench and got a taxi home one game, he was still our best attacking threat for 2 seasons. Chadli refused to go to Austria in pre season, technically he's still our best footballer. Adrien Silva has said he doesn't want to play for a mid table club, yet if were his last resort on deadline day we'd all be over the moon.

Maybe some fans just miss the old days when every player was local and got the bus to training and had a drink down the pub with fans, if that's the case then there is still non-league football you can watch. I'd rather watch a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who couldn't care less about playing for my club as long as they are quality footballers who are entertaining to watch and win us games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 13, 2017, 06:49:20 PM
Yet to see any positive proof this happened beyond one post on here from one poster nothing at all anywhere else about alleged incident of shirt disrespect going on
Anyone else able to corroborate the story?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on August 13, 2017, 06:54:25 PM
Laughably over the top reactions from some fans. Virtually no player in world football gives a f##k about the club they play for, I get a feeling some fans would prefer a bunch of talentless workhorses who kiss the badge and suck up to the fans at every opportunity. Before Berahino got fat, I didn't care about what he did or said as he was a quality player on the pitch. Sessegnon refused to be on the bench and got a taxi home one game, he was still our best attacking threat for 2 seasons. Chadli refused to go to Austria in pre season, technically he's still our best footballer. Adrien Silva has said he doesn't want to play for a mid table club, yet if were his last resort on deadline day we'd all be over the moon.

Maybe some fans just miss the old days when every player was local and got the bus to training and had a drink down the pub with fans, if that's the case then there is still non-league football you can watch. I'd rather watch a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who couldn't care less about playing for my club as long as they are quality footballers who are entertaining to watch and win us games.

Well said. It's just a job to most footballers. Even the kids coming through aren't local.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on August 13, 2017, 07:40:45 PM
If Berahino was still here and gave the half-arsed performance Rondon did, followed by throwing the shirt on the floor, he'd be crucified.

The bloke gets away with murder, like Bednar was he is massively overrated by Albion fans for running around a bit and scoring a few headers. Rodriguez will continue to show him up for the awful player he is this season, providing he actually stays.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 13, 2017, 07:47:00 PM
Yet to see any positive proof this happened beyond one post on here from one poster nothing at all anywhere else about alleged incident of shirt disrespect going on
Anyone else able to corroborate the story?
go on wba unofficial people there right by the tunnel
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on August 13, 2017, 07:58:00 PM
Laughably over the top reactions from some fans. Virtually no player in world football gives a f##k about the club they play for, I get a feeling some fans would prefer a bunch of talentless workhorses who kiss the badge and suck up to the fans at every opportunity. Before Berahino got fat, I didn't care about what he did or said as he was a quality player on the pitch. Sessegnon refused to be on the bench and got a taxi home one game, he was still our best attacking threat for 2 seasons. Chadli refused to go to Austria in pre season, technically he's still our best footballer. Adrien Silva has said he doesn't want to play for a mid table club, yet if were his last resort on deadline day we'd all be over the moon.

Maybe some fans just miss the old days when every player was local and got the bus to training and had a drink down the pub with fans, if that's the case then there is still non-league football you can watch. I'd rather watch a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who couldn't care less about playing for my club as long as they are quality footballers who are entertaining to watch and win us games.
Not over the top at all i dont care  if he doesnt give a flying doesnt want to play and wants to leave i also dont care if he chucks his shirt on the floor and jumps up and down on it, as long as he doesnt do it in view of the supporters it wouldnt be so bad if he was any good, but he aint!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 13, 2017, 08:03:41 PM
Laughably over the top reactions from some fans. Virtually no player in world football gives a f##k about the club they play for, I get a feeling some fans would prefer a bunch of talentless workhorses who kiss the badge and suck up to the fans at every opportunity. Before Berahino got fat, I didn't care about what he did or said as he was a quality player on the pitch. Sessegnon refused to be on the bench and got a taxi home one game, he was still our best attacking threat for 2 seasons. Chadli refused to go to Austria in pre season, technically he's still our best footballer. Adrien Silva has said he doesn't want to play for a mid table club, yet if were his last resort on deadline day we'd all be over the moon.

Maybe some fans just miss the old days when every player was local and got the bus to training and had a drink down the pub with fans, if that's the case then there is still non-league football you can watch. I'd rather watch a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who couldn't care less about playing for my club as long as they are quality footballers who are entertaining to watch and win us games.
while has getting paid by the club he should show it some respect
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on August 13, 2017, 08:23:32 PM
Yet to see any positive proof this happened beyond one post on here from one poster nothing at all anywhere else about alleged incident of shirt disrespect going on
Anyone else able to corroborate the story?

He definitely did run towards the tunnel and throw his shirt.

Peoples reaction on here on the other hand is comical.

Rondon is just another footballer who has found himself at a club that he probably didn't really care about before he joined and won't care about when he has left us... the club is just another employer for him where he can earn himself a living.

Plus, no one on here even knows the situation or the reason behind him acting the way he did.... aslong as he makes effort on the field for us (like he did), I couldn't really care what he does.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 13, 2017, 08:25:34 PM
Wouldn't be so bad if he scored a few goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on August 13, 2017, 08:43:18 PM
He was 1st down the tunnel last season as well towards the end even thow a few defend him. He deserves all the stick he is getting. Bit differant chucking shirt in washing basket in changing rooms 😕
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
I hope he's does one  end of. I would rather have a deeney and that's saying something stroppy unrespectable mare. His supporters obviously can't remember loyal footballers of the past .footballers  and agents some of them should gain some respect. Toss Potts the lot of them and I agree with you Keith, he ain't all that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on August 13, 2017, 09:28:49 PM
I hope he's does one  end of. I would rather have a deeney and that's saying something stroppy unrespectable mare. His supporters obviously can't remember loyal footballers of the past .footballers  and agents some of them should gain some respect. Toss Potts the lot of them and I agree with you Keith, he ain't all that

Exactly, of the past.

Unfortunately its the way football is these days, the passion and pride has gone its all about earning the most money now, the fans thoughts are irrelevant to a footballer (and manager) regardless how much they act like they care
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2017, 09:34:43 PM
Ok , maybe that's why I couldn't give 100% either then
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on August 13, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
Ok , maybe that's why I couldn't give 100% either then

Don't blame you, none of us are forced to  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Northfield-Baggie on August 13, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
As long Rodriguez keeps showing Rondon up as he did yesterday, Rondon will be off anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on August 14, 2017, 12:41:26 AM
What do you think these lads do with the shirts when they get in the dressing room? They don't fold them up nicely and place them on the benches? Total overreaction on here to a player that gives his all for the club and was disappointed not to start.

I see your point & I hope that was the reason
But better he showed how upset he was about not starting Monday in his training,hopeful that's the response TP is looking for.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 14, 2017, 03:20:56 AM
Wouldn't be so bad if he scored a few goals


And finally the real crux of the matter...


No one would have raised a peep about this non event if Rondon had scored 20 goals last season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 14, 2017, 07:14:22 AM

And finally the real crux of the matter...


No one would have raised a peep about this non event if Rondon had scored 20 goals last season.
nothing to do with that it's about respect, end of
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 14, 2017, 07:22:56 PM
nothing to do with that it's about respect, end of

I'm sure there would be an equal reaction if Dawson or Brunt had done the same
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2017, 10:32:46 PM
Apparently had a good game against 4th tier footballers. Maybe let's hope it drives and motivates him to score against the clay heads on Sunday . Don't get stroppy and diss the shirt again in front of your own fans though please

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on August 23, 2017, 12:00:22 PM
Some fans making a mountain out of a molehill over Rondon, compared to the actions that Saido got up to during his time at Albion yet was still backed by many.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on August 25, 2017, 04:35:21 PM
With this season's newcomers, which might yet include another striker, I can't see Rondon getting much game-time. Probably best for all concerned if he moves on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
I can not believe what I read sometimes! :o ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 25, 2017, 04:54:06 PM
Still a solid player to have IMO

Wouldn't look to move him on till next summer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: rajesh-wba on August 25, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
Fickle world of football is if he goes on to score 15 goals this season, he'll have a price tag of circa £30m+. He did really well last season in terms of goals up until the Swansea match when he scored a hat trick. After that he went through a massive dip in terms of goals scored, but he did alot of donkey work up front on his own at times. Would be nice to see him with increased support from the likes of Rodriguez, Phillips, Burke, Chadli, Morrison etc.

Still don't think we get enough crosses for him in open play. At set-pieces he's generally the "stopper", which means he rarely has goalscoring opportunities.

I'm a massive fan of his and believe he can score between 12-15 PL goals in a season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on August 25, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
I can not believe what I read sometimes! :o ;D

Why not? I think J Rod and HRK are already in front of him, and if we were to sign another striker, how often will he get to play?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 25, 2017, 06:09:25 PM
Selling Rondon and bringing in a replacement is at the bottom of the list of business we need to conduct.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on August 25, 2017, 06:53:55 PM
Fickle world of football is if he goes on to score 15 goals this season, he'll have a price tag of circa £30m+. He did really well last season in terms of goals up until the Swansea match when he scored a hat trick. After that he went through a massive dip in terms of goals scored, but he did alot of donkey work up front on his own at times. Would be nice to see him with increased support from the likes of Rodriguez, Phillips, Burke, Chadli, Morrison etc.

Still don't think we get enough crosses for him in open play. At set-pieces he's generally the "stopper", which means he rarely has goalscoring opportunities.

I'm a massive fan of his and believe he can score between 12-15 PL goals in a season.
I am not slagging Rondon but in my humble he is not a natural finisher he misses to many chances at this level and in our set up chances don't come very often and when they do you need someone who can put then away.I'm not saying he ist good at being the target man he is but if you look at his positioning in the box he doesn't know were to go were HRK and Rodriguez do they have the instinct and can finish.plus I always look at a striker when he is one on one with the keeper sadly I would never back Rindon in that situation. I wish he could prove me wrong, but I don't think he will.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 25, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
This reminds me of the Brown Ideye  situation. He couldn't hit a barn door from a yard out for us but moved to Olympiakos and found his scoring feet again. Just made a big money move to China.
He was also expected to hold the ball up which was not his way of playing.
Rondon is far more talented than Ideye but is being used in a way that doesn't suit his playing style.
Putting JRod in with Rondon and I think you'lll see Rondon finding the net again. We need to play to his strengths.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
i wouldnt shed any tears if and when he goes. headless chicken
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
Its never easy to score for or against a Tony Pulis team if you are a forward, Jay Rod is hardly ripping it up is he and he is a natural finisher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 25, 2017, 07:58:36 PM
Its never easy to score for or against a Tony Pulis team if you are a forward, Jay Rod is hardly ripping it up is he and he is a natural finisher.

Against Bournemouth he was a real livewire though who looked capable of scoring a goal, and creating his own chances which is far more encouraging. I've got nothing against Rondon, I think he's a great player but just doesn't suit this side. Which is unfortunate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on August 25, 2017, 08:20:47 PM
Fans moan all season that we have no striker options, then the second we sign one they want the original one sold... you couldn't make it up. What happens when JRod goes on a goalless run, are we going to go back to moaning that there's nobody to give him a rest?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 25, 2017, 08:21:08 PM
Against Bournemouth he was a real livewire though who looked capable of scoring a goal, and creating his own chances which is far more encouraging. I've got nothing against Rondon, I think he's a great player but just doesn't suit this side. Which is unfortunate.
He could suit the side with the recent additions?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2017, 08:44:15 PM
Fans moan all season that we have no striker options, then the second we sign one they want the original one sold... you couldn't make it up. What happens when JRod goes on a goalless run, are we going to go back to moaning that there's nobody to give him a rest?

My feelings exactly, everyone is entitled to an opinion I suppose, but, the fickleness of our fans never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 25, 2017, 11:22:02 PM
My feelings exactly, everyone is entitled to an opinion I suppose, but, the fickleness of our fans never ceases to amaze me.

Not sure what's fickle about wanting a striker that scores goals?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on August 25, 2017, 11:50:33 PM
Its never easy to score for or against a Tony Pulis team if you are a forward, Jay Rod is hardly ripping it up is he and he is a natural finisher.
like I said watch Rodriguez's positioning, he also shoots on sight in fact he had more shots against Bournemouth than the whole team did in the last three games of last season!! I will put money on Rodriguez finishing with more goals than Rondon.Also goals to games ratio HRK will also score more!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2017, 08:01:16 PM
Chinese still interested , hope so. Hey what about a straight swap for deeney
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 08:26:21 PM
I genuinely think there is still time for rondon to redeem himself. If we play it to his feet and he gets a goal, think that might be the spark that explodes the caravan, so to speak.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 30, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
I genuinely think there is still time for rondon to redeem himself. If we play it to his feet and he gets a goal, think that might be the spark that explodes the caravan, so to speak.

Isn't his strength heading?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 08:47:09 PM
I genuinely think there is still time for rondon to redeem himself. If we play it to his feet and he gets a goal, think that might be the spark that explodes the caravan, so to speak.

I mean, it's not as if you went out and bought a striker who created the scoring chances on his own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTw0K-hCkoc

Rondon's goals with WBA have been much of the same, whether they were headers or not he's still mostly scoring out of whatever is created (not always, granted). Regardless of whether it's him or someone else up front the striker needs to be fed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on August 30, 2017, 08:48:55 PM
Dont even thinks wants to be here . Shocked hes still here was expecting him to be gone .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2017, 08:51:06 PM
He's worse than a woman the stropy mare
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on August 30, 2017, 08:53:09 PM
I mean, it's not as if you went out and bought a striker who created the scoring chances on his own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTw0K-hCkoc

Rondon's goals with WBA have been much of the same, whether they were headers or not he's still mostly scoring out of whatever is created (not always, granted). Regardless of whether it's him or someone else up front the striker needs to be fed.

He is getting fed, but usually with long 30 metre plus 'passes' with nobody nearby to help him. I fear, you would get the same problem with virtually any other player playing in a loan role up front in the Pulis system. However, when he has had clear chances, he has not been very prolific or clinical. I reckon his shots to target ratio must be quite low. His link up play along the ground is not that great. He is one player we should be prepared to offload if the right offer came in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 08:54:25 PM
He's worse than a woman the stoppy mare

Pot, kettle, black, renewing  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 30, 2017, 09:05:31 PM
He is getting fed, but usually with long 30 metre plus 'passes' with nobody nearby to help him. I fear, you would get the same problem with virtually any other player playing in a loan role up front in the Pulis system. However, when he has had clear chances, he has not been very prolific or clinical. I reckon his shots to target ratio must be quite low. His link up play along the ground is not that great. He is one player we should be prepared to offload if the right offer came in.

it certainly seemed that way with Rodriguez at Burnley. More often than not HRK wouldn't score on a similar play either.

I've always expected Rondon to remain with the club through this window with him much more likely to be gone in the winter if his cold streak remains. While there have been a lot of rumors about potential striker targets for WBA there has been zero talk about interest for Rondon outside of a Rubin Kazan rumor that never caught on and some Everton talk that never seemed legit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 31, 2017, 08:12:53 AM
He is getting fed, but usually with long 30 metre plus 'passes' with nobody nearby to help him. I fear, you would get the same problem with virtually any other player playing in a loan role up front in the Pulis system. However, when he has had clear chances, he has not been very prolific or clinical. I reckon his shots to target ratio must be quite low. His link up play along the ground is not that great. He is one player we should be prepared to offload if the right offer came in.

It was something like 8.3%, the lowest in the league.  this has always been my issue with Rondon he is far too wasteful. Take Sunday for example and the chance he had at the end, I know he was stretching for it but it went out for a throw in!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 31, 2017, 08:51:40 AM
If JRod gets injured and given his record it's probable, we will definitely need Solomon to think we will not is daft
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 31, 2017, 09:28:13 AM
It was something like 8.3%, the lowest in the league.  this has always been my issue with Rondon he is far too wasteful. Take Sunday for example and the chance he had at the end, I know he was stretching for it but it went out for a throw in!
I've been a big supporter of his but I have to admit, i think he's shot (no pun intended). He just doesn't seem right and looks depressed half the time. Think his head's gone.
Reminds me a bit of Koumas towards the end where we all hoped and prayed that he would sort himself out and come good again but it never happened.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 31, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
I've been a big supporter of his but I have to admit, i think he's shot (no pun intended). He just doesn't seem right and looks depressed half the time. Think his head's gone.
Reminds me a bit of Koumas towards the end where we all hoped and prayed that he would sort himself out and come good again but it never happened.


I digress but Koumas was man of the match in his last game for us (Wembley) and superb all that season under Mowbray.


I think it's only a section of our fans who don't rate Rondon. He's got a difficult task the way we play and never shirks responsibility. Still our best striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bry on August 31, 2017, 11:34:02 AM

I digress but Koumas was man of the match in his last game for us (Wembley) and superb all that season under Mowbray.


I think it's only a section of our fans who don't rate Rondon. He's got a difficult task the way we play and never shirks responsibility. Still our best striker.
He might be our best striker but is he a good enough striker. I think JRod will always score more goals than him, we can debate if he is a striker or a forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 31, 2017, 12:10:48 PM
He might be our best striker but is he a good enough striker. I think JRod will always score more goals than him, we can debate if he is a striker or a forward.

In my opinion yes.

Being the most defensive team in the division has to mean our style of football over-values the genuine ability of our defenders and subsequently undervalues the genuine ability of our strikers/forwards

To what extent though is up for debate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on August 31, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Personally I still don't think we play to his strengths. For me he would greatly benefit by having balls supplied to him on the ground, not ones that he has to pick out of the stratosphere... I do like him but his lack of goals is becoming a worry and I sometimes think that he is not picking the best positions. Would like to see JRod at 9 to see if it makes a difference..... I have a sneaky suspicion that it would....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 31, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
I think he's fine. Most strikers would struggle to score with our tactics.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on August 31, 2017, 01:25:58 PM
 Solomon is a target man first & foremost when played alone upfront then a goal scorer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on August 31, 2017, 01:33:52 PM
He's a good target man.
His finishing leaves a little to be desired.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 31, 2017, 01:37:17 PM
TP is first and foremost a pragmatist, if Salomon is part of a successful side (not loosing in TP terms) then he will be kept doing that job,
Its worth considering that you do not have to score goals to not lose.

Cynical but .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 31, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
TP is first and foremost a pragmatist, if Salomon is part of a successful side (not loosing in TP terms) then he will be kept doing that job,
Its worth considering that you do not have to score goals to not lose.

Cynical but .

This. Like it or lump it, we are a very pragmatic side. TP has made a career playing the percentages and its what makes him stand out in current football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on August 31, 2017, 01:43:54 PM
I thought we looked a much better side against Bournemouth with JRod leading the line
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on August 31, 2017, 01:49:31 PM
Rondon is hardly a target man. Poor at heading, poor at winning headers and poor at holding the ball up
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 31, 2017, 01:50:28 PM
Rondon is hardly a target man. Poor at heading, poor at winning headers and poor at holding the ball up

How many other players have scored a hat trick of headers in the last 5 years? ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2017, 01:50:47 PM
I thought we looked a much better side against Bournemouth with JRod leading the line

I thought we looked better during the first half in particular.

But I also felt this had more to do with the ball being played to Rodriguez's feet as opposed to Rondon's throat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 31, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
I think even kane would struggle by the fact we seem to think the floor is lava when it comes to passing the ball to players
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on August 31, 2017, 01:55:19 PM
Rondon is hardly a target man. Poor at heading, poor at winning headers and poor at holding the ball up

I think Swansea would disagree with you on the heading part .........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 31, 2017, 02:04:41 PM
In some ways, you have to feel for him. A couple of times on Sunday, he had to beat 4 Stoke defenders to lay the ball off to somebody, there were no Albion players within yards of him.
Someone sitting near to us made the point that, with our narrow game, the whole defensive back four can focus in on Rondon.

I think he's more heavy artillery than precision, but I do think he's capable of getting goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 31, 2017, 10:04:59 PM
starting for Venezuela in the game just starting vs Colombia, I'll report back
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 31, 2017, 10:22:31 PM
woah, REALLY NICE move just now against Murillo (Inter) with his back against goal on the right wing, got rid of the defender who fouled him in frustration and got a yellow
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mateinone on August 31, 2017, 10:41:31 PM
I think Rondon is still a very good footballer and it is hard to play as a forward at a club like West Brom.
You are not going to get the same number of chances, who have to scrap and fight holding the ball up without any real chance of getting off a shot time and time again, just to wait for that 1 or 2 half decent chances a game and when you miss, you know that is a good chance it was going to be your best shot in the game.

I am not Anti or Pro Pulis really, but I can acknowledge that it is hard to play a striker for him and it would be the same if we had Lukaku up front.

Anyway, hope he gets his way back into form, because if he does, he could be our best 'signing' this season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 31, 2017, 10:48:27 PM
I think Tp needs to give him a chance in a 2 man front line. JRod and Rondon would be a handful for any back 4.
If we had a decent attacking/ link up midfielder that would help too.
Rondon can only do so much on his own
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 01, 2017, 12:50:31 AM
had a good game in a 0-0 draw vs Colombia at home in which he played 90 minutes. 1-on-1 he gave both Murillo and Zapata (AC Milan) fits and this made me wonder how often I've seen him in those situations at WBA. Not MOM by any means but a good game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 01, 2017, 09:35:59 AM
had a good game in a 0-0 draw vs Colombia at home in which he played 90 minutes. 1-on-1 he gave both Murillo and Zapata (AC Milan) fits and this made me wonder how often I've seen him in those situations at WBA. Not MOM by any means but a good game.

Out of interest did he have any chances and if so how did they go?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2017, 09:38:39 AM
nothing changes then still firing blanks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 01, 2017, 09:39:12 AM
I think Rondon is still a very good footballer and it is hard to play as a forward at a club like West Brom.
You are not going to get the same number of chances, who have to scrap and fight holding the ball up without any real chance of getting off a shot time and time again, just to wait for that 1 or 2 half decent chances a game and when you miss, you know that is a good chance it was going to be your best shot in the game.

I am not Anti or Pro Pulis really, but I can acknowledge that it is hard to play a striker for him and it would be the same if we had Lukaku up front.

Anyway, hope he gets his way back into form, because if he does, he could be our best 'signing' this season

Thing is we keep saying how difficult it is, but the other two strikers have managed to put their limited chances away and get on the scoresheet.

Think this is his problem, his chance conversion rate isn't good enough for a team such as ours that doesn't create 10-15 clear chances each game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2017, 09:44:19 AM
His one on one chances are abysmal.
I'd always back the keeper
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 01, 2017, 09:52:59 AM
Thing is we keep saying how difficult it is, but the other two strikers have managed to put their limited chances away and get on the scoresheet.

Think this is his problem, his chance conversion rate isn't good enough for a team such as ours that doesn't create 10-15 clear chances each game.

Pretty much how I feel about him. Scored 1 in every 11/12 chances he got last season, didn't even score against weaker sides in pre season, hardly ever puts the ball in the back of the net during warm ups (even when the goal is empty!).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 01, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
Pretty much how I feel about him. Scored 1 in every 11/12 chances he got last season, didn't even score against weaker sides in pre season, hardly ever puts the ball in the back of the net during warm ups (even when the goal is empty!).

Yeah I remember posting his shots to shots on target stats and his goals to shots stats against every other striker in the league and he was in the bottom 3 or 4 for each. But was told it was Pulis or the other players' faults somehow!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 06, 2017, 02:15:02 AM
He might have just pulled a hammy at Argentina. I'm speculating on the diagnosis, but definitely seems hurt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 06, 2017, 06:33:24 AM
He might have just pulled a hammy at Argentina. I'm speculating on the diagnosis, but definitely seems hurt.

I noticed he got subbed on 82 mins and was wondering if it was tactical or injury, so sounds like injury.

How did he play before the substitution? Good result away at Argentina, shame about the own goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 06, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
I noticed he got subbed on 82 mins and was wondering if it was tactical or injury, so sounds like injury.

How did he play before the substitution? Good result away at Argentina, shame about the own goal.

Not as good as vs Colombia but he was a lot more isolated. Truth be told it was a very Pulis-like gameplan from the Venezuelan Manager, playing that 451 disguised as a 433. Very defensive mindset which was expected on the road ar Argentina. 2 young wingers and 3 defensive midfielders. Lots of long balls to him vs multiple defenders. He occupied spaces between the 2 wingers who combined for the goal on a counter attack. He looked like he had already felt the hammy but gave extra effort on a good opportunity that came his way and may have made it worse.

I'm hopeful it was all a brilliant acting bid (he was sitting in the ground slamming the turf and bringing hands to his face in frustration) to burn time and he isn't actually injured. I'm still waiting on official news.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on September 06, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Either way he's unlikely to start on Saturday following a belated return to training.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 06, 2017, 03:20:22 PM
did he sling his shirt
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on September 07, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
I'm going to make a prediction. He will hit double figures this season. I think with the attacking talent we have now it will bring the best out of him. Still our best striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 09:31:57 AM
Not as good as vs Colombia but he was a lot more isolated. Truth be told it was a very Pulis-like gameplan from the Venezuelan Manager, playing that 451 disguised as a 433. Very defensive mindset which was expected on the road ar Argentina. 2 young wingers and 3 defensive midfielders. Lots of long balls to him vs multiple defenders. He occupied spaces between the 2 wingers who combined for the goal on a counter attack. He looked like he had already felt the hammy but gave extra effort on a good opportunity that came his way and may have made it worse.

I'm hopeful it was all a brilliant acting bid (he was sitting in the ground slamming the turf and bringing hands to his face in frustration) to burn time and he isn't actually injured. I'm still waiting on official news.

Thanks for that. As you are aware I'm not convinced by him but I do want him to do well for us so am always interested to know how he performs at International level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 09:36:17 AM
I'm going to make a prediction. He will hit double figures this season. I think with the attacking talent we have now it will bring the best out of him. Still our best striker.

I'd be interested to know what you've seen in him that suggests this. Personally I think he will do well to match the 8 goals he got last season.
I think Rodriguez is our best striker as I think he is a better finisher and can make chances for himself.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 07, 2017, 10:31:47 AM
Well you all know who i think is our best striker, the sooner we sell Rondon the better
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on September 07, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
I'm going to make a prediction. He will hit double figures this season. I think with the attacking talent we have now it will bring the best out of him. Still our best striker.

Do you mean he will score 2?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 07, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
Well you all know who i think is our best striker, the sooner we sell Rondon the better

If we aren't going to play to his strengths then i agree as we are wasting his time & his record of scoring goals.
Our fault not his.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on September 07, 2017, 12:12:12 PM
If we aren't going to play to his strengths then i agree as we are wasting his time & his record of scoring goals.
Our fault not his.

Yes...there's a big difference between the well-timed accurate through-ball and hoofing it! Hopefully, that situation will improve with our new signings.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 12:12:53 PM
If we aren't going to play to his strengths then i agree as we are wasting his time & his record of scoring goals.
Our fault not his.

Sorry but it's not our fault that he had the lowest conversion rate out of any striker at any PL club last season. We might not create that many chances but when he does get them he doesn't score that often.

If my memory serves me correctly last season Rondon had 94 chances and scored 8 which is something like an 8.5% conversion rate or 1 goal for every 11/12 chances. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on September 07, 2017, 12:43:03 PM
Well you all know who i think is our best striker, the sooner we sell Rondon the better

Mo Farah runs around a lot  and he's scored more goals this season too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 07, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
Sorry but it's not our fault that he had the lowest conversion rate out of any striker at any PL club last season. We might not create that many chances but when he does get them he doesn't score that often.

If my memory serves me correctly last season Rondon had 94 chances and scored 8 which is something like an 8.5% conversion rate or 1 goal for every 11/12 chances.

You have missed my point, that being any forward is 90% reliant on service that suits his style & strengths.
Has a lone striker his 1st & foremost job is to hold up the ball for team mates to make runs off him 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 07, 2017, 02:10:49 PM
You have missed my point, that being any forward is 90% reliant on service that suits his style & strengths.
Has a lone striker his 1st & foremost job is to hold up the ball for team mates to make runs off him

Yes but the argument is that when he DOES have a chance, he misses it 1 in 10+ times.

Edit: Just looked back and his conversion rate over the entire last season was 9%, with the average across the two main strikers at each club in the league at 20%.

His shots to shots on target percentage was 28% with the average being 40%.

Without blowing my own trumpet, and I know how everybody loves to moan about stats, but you'd have to say that was/is quite an accurate summary of his performances last season i.e. scored about 1 in 10 chances, hit the target with around every 3/4 shots/headers.


Awaits onslaught
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 02:23:11 PM
You have missed my point, that being any forward is 90% reliant on service that suits his style & strengths.
Has a lone striker his 1st & foremost job is to hold up the ball for team mates to make runs off him

I haven't missed the point at all. Whether his job is to hold the ball up for others is not the point, the point is he missed over 90% of the chances he got which was the lowest conversion rate in the league. How is Rondon missing those chances anybody elses fault other than his own?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on September 07, 2017, 02:45:38 PM
Yes but the argument is that when he DOES have a chance, he misses it 1 in 10+ times.

Edit: Just looked back and his conversion rate over the entire last season was 9%, with the average across the two main strikers at each club in the league at 20%.

His shots to shots on target percentage was 28% with the average being 40%.

Without blowing my own trumpet, and I know how everybody loves to moan about stats, but you'd have to say that was/is quite an accurate summary of his performances last season i.e. scored about 1 in 10 chances, hit the target with around every 3/4 shots/headers.


Awaits onslaught
how many of those were clear cut chances and not crosses slightly too high, shots where he's on the stretch or is played into a position where he's fighting off 2 defenders and snapping at the shot, be interesting to see what is classed as an attempt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on September 07, 2017, 03:01:45 PM
Devon has never rated Rondon, wanted us to keep Saido over him.

Rondon does a good job, i'd still like to know who people genuinely believe could do a better job for us than Rondon does in that role.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
I believe it was probably 94 shots as opposed to 94 chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 04:02:54 PM
how many of those were clear cut chances and not crosses slightly too high, shots where he's on the stretch or is played into a position where he's fighting off 2 defenders and snapping at the shot, be interesting to see what is classed as an attempt.

but it's the same criteria for every other striker in the league, who all managed to have better conversion rates.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 04:04:27 PM
I believe it was probably 94 shots as opposed to 94 chances.

You may be right I genuinely can't remember, but he still had the lowest conversion rate of any striker in the league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 04:10:25 PM
Devon has never rated Rondon, wanted us to keep Saido over him.

Rondon does a good job, i'd still like to know who people genuinely believe could do a better job for us than Rondon does in that role.

for me it's not about replacing him with someone else, it's about Rondon being better.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jonasyoulegend on September 07, 2017, 04:26:59 PM
the Swansea game last season sums it up for me, scored a hatrick, but missed 2 easy chances before that... not good enough in the prem. Likeable character and works hard but not good enough
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 07, 2017, 04:39:19 PM
I love coming on this thread when I fancy a laugh. Just today we've had people claiming he's the worst finisher in the league, now we've got someone moaning that a hat-trick wasn't good enough. I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings for our shirt-slinging villain.

Meanwhile, HRK scores against a bunch of Moldovan farmers and half of our fanbase have wet panties.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
I love coming on this thread when I fancy a laugh. Just today we've had people claiming he's the worst finisher in the league, now we've got someone moaning that a hat-trick wasn't good enough. I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings for our shirt-slinging villain.

Meanwhile, HRK scores against a bunch of Moldovan farmers and half of our fanbase have wet panties.

If you'd care to check the stats you'd see that it is fact not just opinion, last season he was the striker with the lowest conversion rate in the premier league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 07, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
for me it's not about replacing him with someone else, it's about Rondon being better.

I would hope that statement would apply to the whole of the club from top to bottom.
Forwards like Rondon don't just sit on the edge of the box but work either side of it to i wonder what the stats are for receiving ball center of or in the box has to outside on the wings.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 07, 2017, 05:23:44 PM
I don't know how anyone is still trying to argue against the fact Rondon is coming off a bad season, largely due to an awful second half of the season. It's not even a debate.

If anyone can pull up the same stats/ranks from the previous season, I'd like to see how those compare.

It's all about what happens going forward. On any given week, whether he gets the nod to start or gets subbed in, he needs to show that cold streak was just temporary.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 07, 2017, 05:38:09 PM
I don't know how anyone is still trying to argue against the fact Rondon is coming off a bad season, largely due to an awful second half of the season. It's not even a debate.

If anyone can pull up the same stats/ranks from the previous season, I'd like to see how those compare.

It's all about what happens going forward. On any given week, whether he gets the nod to start or gets subbed in, he needs to show that cold streak was just temporary.

This is exactly what I would love to happen, I really want Rondon to be successful, a successful Rondon scoring goals is good for West Brom.

in 2015/16 he scored 9 goals from 71 shots (22nd most shots)

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_scoring_att

2015/16 joint 22nd goalscorer
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goals

last season he scored 8 goals from 94 shots (13th most shots)

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_scoring_att

2016/17 joint 27th top scorer

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goals




Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 07, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
I don't know how anyone is still trying to argue against the fact Rondon is coming off a bad season, largely due to an awful second half of the season. It's not even a debate.

If anyone can pull up the same stats/ranks from the previous season, I'd like to see how those compare.

It's all about what happens going forward. On any given week, whether he gets the nod to start or gets subbed in, he needs to show that cold streak was just temporary.

2015/16 season. Here you go:

Again, the top 2 scorers from each team. First goals to shots ratio (so percentage of shots that resulted in a goal), I've put them in order rather than team by team:

Wilson (Bournemouth) 5 goals 17 shots: 29%
Iheanacho (Man City) 8 goals 28 shots: 29%
Vardy (Leicester) 24 goals 118 shots: 21%
Aguero (Man City) 24 goals 119 shots: 20%
Mahrez (Leicester) 17 goals 86 shots: 20%
Wijnaldum (Newcastle) 11 goals 54 shots: 20%
Martial (Man Utd) 11 goals 57 shots: 19%
Bojan (Stoke) 7 goals 36 shots: 19%
Mbokani (Norwich) 7 goals 37 shots: 19%
Costa (Chelsea) 12 goals 68 shots: 18%
Defoe (Sunderland) 15 goals 85 shots: 18%
Ayew (Swansea) 12 goals 67 shots: 18%
Giroud (Arsenal) 16 goals 101 shots: 16%
Firmino (Liverpool) 10 goals 63 shots: 16%
Arnautovic (Stoke) 11 goals 70 shots: 16%
Kane (Spurs) 25 goals 158 shots: 16%
Carroll (West Ham) 9 goals 56 shots: 16%
Benteke (Liverpool) 9 goals 51 shots: 15%
Lukaku (Everton) 18 goals 118 shots: 15%
Wickham (Crystal Palace) 5 goals 34 shots: 15%
Pelle (Southampton) 11 goals 81 shots: 14%
Alli (Spurs) 10 goals 74 shots: 14%
Ighalo (Watford) 15 goals 109 shots: 14%
Deeney (Watford) 13 goals 94 shots: 14%
Payet (West Ham) 9 goals 69 shots: 13%
Mane (Southampton) 11 goals 86 shots: 13%
Rondon (West Brom) 9 goals 71 shots: 13%
Sigurdsson (Swansea) 11 goals 88 shots: 13%
Pedro (Chelsea) 7 goals 57 shots: 12%
Sanchez (Arsenal) 13 goals 107 shots: 12%
Ayew (Aston Villa) 7 goals 59 shots: 11%
King (Bournemouth) 6 goals 54 shots: 11%
Rooney (Man Utd) 8 goals 72 shots: 11%
Mitrovic (Newcastle) 9 goals 79 shots: 11%
Redmond (Norwich) 6 goals 54 shots: 11%
Berahino (West Brom) 4 goals 35 shots: 11%
Borini (Sunderland) 5 goals 48 shots: 10%
Bolasie (Crystal Palace) 5 goals 57 shots: 9%
Barkley (Everton) 8 goals 95 shots: 8%
Gestede (Aston Villa) 5 goals 61 shots: 8%

Average across the 40 players: 15.2%

Next the shots to shots on target percentage (e.g. the amount of shots from each player that hit the target), again in order:

Wijnaldum 29 out of 54 shots: 54%
Mbokani 20 out of 37 shots: 54%
Kane 75 out of 158 shots: 47%
Wilson 8 out of 17 shots: 47%
Vardy 53 out of 115 shots: 46%
Defoe 39 out of 85 shots: 46%
Bolasie 26 out of 57 shots: 46%
Carroll 25 out of 56 shots: 45%
Mahrez 39 out of 86 shots: 45%
Aguero 52 out of 119 shots: 44%
Martial 25 out of 57 shots: 44%
Ighalo 48 out of 109 shots: 44%
Iheanacho 12 out of 28 shots: 43%
Giroud 43 out of 101 shots: 42%
Bojan 15 out of 36 shots: 42%
Payet 28 out of 69 shots: 41%
Lukaku 48 out of 118 shots: 41%
Costa 28 out of 68 shots: 41%
Firmino 25 out of 63 shots: 40%
Mane 34 out of 86 shots: 40%
Ayew 27 out of 67 shots: 40%
Alli 28 out of 74 shots: 39%
Mitrovic 30 out of 79 shots: 38%
Borini 18 out of 48 shots: 38%
King 20 out of 54 shots: 37%
Sigurdsson 32 out of 88 shots: 36%
Sanchez 38 out of 107 shots: 35%
Ayew 21 out of 59 shots: 35%
Rooney 25 out of 72 shots: 35%
Deeney 32 out of 94 shots: 34%
Benteke 20 out of 61 shots: 33%
Berahino 11 out of 35 shots: 31%
Arnautovic 22 out of 70 shots: 31%
Pelle 25 out of 81 shots: 31%
Redmond 17 out of 54 shots: 31%
Barkely 29 out of 95 shots: 31%
Rondon 21 out of 71 shots: 30%
Gestede 18 out of 61 shots: 30%
Pedro 16 out of 57 shots: 28%
Wickham 9 out of 34 shots: 26%

Average for the players above: 39%

Whilst better than last season, there is a worrying trend especially in the percentage of shots that hit the target, which was the main point being made above. He's quite obviously near the bottom of most premier league strikers in being able to hit the target with his shots, although his overall chance conversion percentage was better in 15/16 and was nowhere near the worst (poor Gestede!).

On a wider note, it's interesting that there was an improvement of around 5% across the board for chance conversion across all of the strikers from the 15/16 (15.2%) - 16/17 (20%) season, whilst the percentage of shots on target stayed around the 40% mark both years. Also, Kane managing nearly 50% of shots on target despite having more shots than anyone else in the league (158) is pretty impressive. Barkley stands out as well as being particularly poor with his shot conversion percentage for both 15/16 (8%) and 16/17 (6%) seasons.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
So better than 60 million rated Alexis Sanchez and 45 million rated Gylfi Sigurdsson.


Don't you just love stats...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 07, 2017, 10:14:39 PM
So better than 60 million rated Alexis Sanchez and 45 million rated Gylfi Sigurdsson.


Don't you just love stats...

A better shot conversion rate yes
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2017, 10:16:14 PM
A better shot conversion rate yes


That's what we're slating him on currently though... can't have it both ways  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 07, 2017, 10:20:10 PM

That's what we're slating him on currently though... can't have it both ways  ;)

Actually we were comparing Rondon's stats across the two seasons, and someone asked for the same comparable stats. I was 'slating' or giving criticism on his ability to hit the target, which across the two seasons is pretty similar (suggesting his wayward shooting wasn't just a one-off poor season).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
Actually we were comparing Rondon's stats across the two seasons, and someone asked for the same comparable stats. I was 'slating' or giving criticism on his ability to hit the target, which across the two seasons is pretty similar (suggesting his wayward shooting wasn't just a one-off poor season).


Not really you were comparing him to his peers (worst in the league). I'm comparing him to his peers in 2015/16.


Alexis Sanchez though. Haha. Stats stats stats.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 07, 2017, 10:32:29 PM

Not really you were comparing him to his peers (worst in the league). I'm comparing him to his peers in 2015/16.


Alexis Sanchez though. Haha. Stats stats stats.

If you think Rondon doesn't need to improve his finishing you obviously see something that everyone else doesn't.

As an aside you say stats stats stats but Sanchez did only score from 12% of his shots in 15/16
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 07, 2017, 10:43:39 PM
I love coming on this thread when I fancy a laugh. Just today we've had people claiming he's the worst finisher in the league, now we've got someone moaning that a hat-trick wasn't good enough. I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings for our shirt-slinging villain.

Meanwhile, HRK scores against a bunch of Moldovan farmers and half of our fanbase have wet panties.
You can only score against what's in front of you, at least HRK as scored for his country and for the Albion this season. How many as Rondon got? Oh one against that  bunch of farmers from Accrington!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2017, 10:44:33 PM
If you think Rondon doesn't need to improve his finishing you obviously see something that everyone else doesn't.

As an aside you say stats stats stats but Sanchez did only score from 12% of his shots in 15/16


It's another laughable no context stick to beat him with. Do you think anyone says Alexis Sanchez he's not clinical enough to be a top Premier League striker? That Arsenal should sign a Championship winger on a free and play him instead because he bundles in a couple of goals?


You lot do make me laugh at times mate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on September 07, 2017, 10:54:08 PM
Like him a lot , just not clinical enough at times and you can shake the stat branch at me all you like . I never quite get the sense when a chance comes he'll almost certainly score like I did with Odemwingie.
That said playing week in and week out in a Pulis side as a forward is a thankless task 90% of the time and its more about what you do for the team.
All in all I'm glad to have some depth for once in Ron , JRod and HRK .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 08, 2017, 12:05:27 AM
You can only score against what's in front of you, at least HRK as scored for his country and for the Albion this season. How many as Rondon got? Oh one against that  bunch of farmers from Accrington!

I'm no brainiac, but you see what you did here, right?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 08, 2017, 06:35:04 AM
So better than 60 million rated Alexis Sanchez and 45 million rated Gylfi Sigurdsson.


Don't you just love stats...

his goal to shot percentage is the same as Sigurdsson (13%) not better but yes it's better than Sanchez(12%). Also that figure is for the 2015/16 season so not when Sanchez was rated at £60M and Sigurdsson at £45M...just for clarity.

However in that season he has finished below both Sanchez and Sigurdsson in the goal scorer tables which for a main striker (which Sigurdsson definitely isn't and I believe that Sanchez was mainly played behind Giroud in that season ) I would say is the most important stat.

Last season Rondon was at number 10 for the amount of shots he had 94 but 20th for goals scored 8.  Sanchez scored 24 goals from 129 shots  or 16 more goals from only 35 more shots.

this is for forwards only, so doesn't include Sigurdsson.

 https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_scoring_att

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 08, 2017, 07:29:34 AM

It's another laughable no context stick to beat him with. Do you think anyone says Alexis Sanchez he's not clinical enough to be a top Premier League striker? That Arsenal should sign a Championship winger on a free and play him instead because he bundles in a couple of goals?


You lot do make me laugh at times mate.

No context? Try looking at the stats from the last two seasons that show Rondon only gets 1 in every 3+ shots on target. You can't have it both ways..

All I'm seeing is another defective defensive post to draw attention away from the obvious fact that Rondon doesn't hit the target enough with his shots, which has been backed up with evidence
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on September 08, 2017, 10:35:57 AM
All I'm seeing is people with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands  ;D  :-X .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 08, 2017, 11:00:51 AM
All I'm seeing is people with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands  ;D  :-X .

Guilty as charged, it's been a very slow week at work! I've been covering staff at our Drop In centre!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2017, 12:51:18 PM
No context? Try looking at the stats from the last two seasons that show Rondon only gets 1 in every 3+ shots on target. You can't have it both ways..

All I'm seeing is another defective defensive post to draw attention away from the obvious fact that Rondon doesn't hit the target enough with his shots, which has been backed up with evidence


The contextual point is that where are these shots from. How many defenders in the way. How much time on the ball.


It's a pointless stat that only applies to penalties in any realistic sense.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on September 08, 2017, 01:10:24 PM
If
player a) has 100 shots from 40 yards and scores 3, but,
player b) scores 25 tap ins from inside the 6 yard box, is it fair to compare them?

Clearly not, now I am not saying that SR didn't have a below par season, but want to make the point that statistics need context.

I work with stats on a daily basis (QA / QC) and you absolutely have to understand all the variables impacting upon the stats before drawing conclusions.

Anyway lets hope one goes in off his Harris and he starts a positive streak ASAP
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 08, 2017, 02:30:51 PM
Shouldn't really be shooting if it's impossible to score surely? As mentioned the stats are across the entire season and not taken in isolation. 

They show that in Rondon's two seasons with us his percentage of shots on target is around 1 in every 3.5. Not good enough.

Likewise I hope he scores more than he did last season, but looking at the stats over the last two seasons, he'd need to have 100+ shots to score 10.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2017, 02:35:31 PM
Not sure what you're struggling with... Unless all these shots are from the same place against the same opponents at the same time it's a meaningless statistic. It can only possibly be of any use for penalties (and even then the variables like opposition keeper. Firmness of penalty spot. Weather etc. would still affect the outcome.)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 08, 2017, 02:39:16 PM
Not sure what you're struggling with... Unless all these shots are from the same place against the same opponents at the same time it's a meaningless statistic. It can only possibly be of any use for penalties (and even then the variables like opposition keeper. Firmness of penalty spot. Weather etc. would still affect the outcome.)

I was thinking the same..

Apologies, Rondon is a world beater who scores every game and never misses the target.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 08, 2017, 03:20:05 PM
I was thinking the same..

Apologies, Rondon is a world beater who scores every game and never misses the target.


I must have missed that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 08, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
2015/16 season. Here you go:

Again, the top 2 scorers from each team. First goals to shots ratio (so percentage of shots that resulted in a goal), I've put them in order rather than team by team:

Rondon (West Brom) 9 goals 71 shots: 13%
Berahino (West Brom) 4 goals 35 shots: 11%

Next the shots to shots on target percentage (e.g. the amount of shots from each player that hit the target), again in order;

Rondon (West Brom) 9 goals 71 shots: 13%
Berahino 11 out of 35 shots: 31%

Would just like to point out one glorious flaw with your interpretation of the stats.

Craig Dawson scored 4 goals that campaign, as many as Berainho.
Shots on target (26%) / 4 Goals (14.8%) Conversion rate.

Gareth McAuley last year had a 44% Shot Accuracy and a 37.5% Conversion rate.

Do you want us to start playing either of those up top?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 08, 2017, 04:43:43 PM
I really couldn't care less about stats! The truth is Rondon couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo! It doesn't matter how we play either when a chance falls to him he misses simples.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 08, 2017, 04:51:29 PM
Stats from last season all based on playing at least 10 games.

8th Amount of minutes he played last season
10th Shot accuracy
15th Total passes
17th Key passes
4th Free kicks won
9th % of aerial duels won
9th Defensive actions

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 08, 2017, 04:53:15 PM
I really couldn't care less about stats! The truth is Rondon couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo! It doesn't matter how we play either when a chance falls to him he misses simples.

+1 for stating the obvious. Rondon is an awful footballer who can't control the ball, link the play or shoot. On the plus side he works hard and is good at heading crosses. He's just a very poor striker who isn't a goalscorer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 08, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
+1 for stating the obvious. Rondon is an awful footballer who can't control the ball, link the play or shoot. On the plus side he works hard and is good at heading crosses. He's just a very poor striker who isn't a goalscorer.

the Rondon slander is in full force today

Malaga

2010-2011: 16 goals in 31 games.
2011-2012: 11 goals in 40 games.

Rubin Kazan
2012-2013: 12 goals in 37 games (5 goals in 12 Europe games).
2013-2014: 11 goals in 17 games (5 goals in 6 Europe games).

Zenit
2013-2014: 8 goals in 12 games (1 goal in 2 Champions' games)
(2013-2014 totals: 19 goals in 29 games combined with RK and Zenit)
2014-2015: 17 goals in 38 games (1 goal in 6 Champions' games, 3 goals in 6 Europe games)

AVERAGE GOALS PER SEASON BEFORE ARRIVING AT WEST BROM: 15.
AVERAGE GOALs/GAME BEFORE ARRIVING AT WEST BROM: 0.4 (nearly once every two games)

West Brom
2015-2016: 10 goals in 40 games.
2016-2017: 9 goals in 40 games.

Goals/season average: 9.5
Goals/game average: .24 (nearly once every four games)

_________________________________

But the problem must be 100% Rondon, because LOGIC.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 08, 2017, 06:05:36 PM
I'll tell you the problem. But I'm sure it's quite clear. People started saying Rondon was having a poor season and that he wasn't scoring enough or accurate with his shots. Then people defending him asked for proof or evidence of this. Then proof/evidence was provided. Then people tried to pick holes in the proof because they didn't like it.

I'm still awaiting proof of what he actually does?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 08, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
I'll tell you the problem. But I'm sure it's quite clear. People started saying Rondon was having a poor season and that he wasn't scoring enough or accurate with his shots. Then people defending him asked for proof or evidence of this. Then proof/evidence was provided. Then people tried to pick holes in the proof because they didn't like it.

I'm still awaiting proof of what he actually does?

Nothing. He sucks obviously. The stats I posted above your post are obviously made up. The club paid a then record fee of £12 million because they love to waste money. Tony has played him in 80 games (67 starts) because he loves to watch a talentless striker in his system.

you're 100% accurate in your assessment, don't worry.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 08, 2017, 06:31:19 PM
Nothing. He sucks obviously. The stats I posted above your post are obviously made up. The club paid a then record fee of £12 million because they love to waste money. Tony has played him in 80 games (67 starts) because he loves to watch a talentless striker in his system.

you're 100% accurate in your assessment, don't worry.

So..

Still waiting
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 08, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
I know we've got to talk about something but maybe it's just time to judge him game by game this season ?  It looks like Pulis has made it clear he's not an automatic name on the team sheet....I expect him to be left out tomorrow.

I hope to see a less tired and jaded player when he does play.

As for whether he's 'difficult' in any way ...he's had his moments with the throwing of the shirt but I can't see any evidence that he's a bad egg around the place in the 'family' that TP talks about.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on September 08, 2017, 07:45:35 PM
I'll tell you the problem. But I'm sure it's quite clear. People started saying Rondon was having a poor season and that he wasn't scoring enough or accurate with his shots. Then people defending him asked for proof or evidence of this. Then proof/evidence was provided. Then people tried to pick holes in the proof because they didn't like it.

I'm still awaiting proof of what he actually does?
he's proved he scores goals. he's proved he misses chances. same as all strikers really, he's better than some and worse than others, have we really got anyone who's so superior to him atm?
goalkeepers concede goals and keepers save goals its no different.
he had a decent first season in a new league and a indifferent second season so I will reserve judgement until this seasons over.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 08, 2017, 07:53:22 PM
+1 for stating the obvious. Rondon is an awful footballer who can't control the ball, link the play or shoot. On the plus side he works hard and is good at heading crosses. He's just a very poor striker who isn't a goalscorer.
No need to he sarcastic mate Im gliving my observation like everyone else is just because you disagree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 08, 2017, 07:53:55 PM
I really couldn't care less about stats! The truth is Rondon couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo! It doesn't matter how we play either when a chance falls to him he misses simples.

Top scorer in the past 2 seasons but according to you he can't score. This thread is embarrassing.

As for the stats that have TheBrom keeps posting, yet again they've been proved to be pointless and inconclusive due to the amount of variables that can't be kept consistent.

Important to note: If Ben Foster comes up for a last minute corner and scores a header against Brighton he's the best striker in the league, with a 100% shots to goal ratio - blitzing the 29% ratio set by 2015/16's best striker in the league, Callum Wilson of Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 08, 2017, 07:57:07 PM
No need to he sarcastic mate Im gliving my observation like everyone else is just because you disagree.

Worryingly, I don't think he was being sarcastic... he's actually that clueless.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on September 08, 2017, 08:10:43 PM
Some right nonsense being spouting in here. I'm all for opinions and that but to state that Rondon is "awful" utter nonsense. A bloke who has scored double figures in La Liga three seasons in a row, 1 in 2 record at Zenit, scores goals internationally and our top goal scorer two years in a row in a team that is not free flowing.

Pulis comments from last season "There are times when he does not get that much service, especially away from home, but he is grafting and working for the team.

"He is a top-class striker and is improving every month - he is made for the Premier League, he is a perfect striker for it."

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on September 08, 2017, 10:01:03 PM
Some right nonsense being spouting in here. I'm all for opinions and that but to state that Rondon is "awful" utter nonsense. A bloke who has scored double figures in La Liga three seasons in a row, 1 in 2 record at Zenit, scores goals internationally and our top goal scorer two years in a row in a team that is not free flowing.

Pulis comments from last season "There are times when he does not get that much service, especially away from home, but he is grafting and working for the team.

"He is a top-class striker and is improving every month - he is made for the Premier League, he is a perfect striker for it."
Pretty much a perfect assessment by Pulis there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 08, 2017, 10:51:32 PM
Some right nonsense being spouting in here. I'm all for opinions and that but to state that Rondon is "awful" utter nonsense. A bloke who has scored double figures in La Liga three seasons in a row, 1 in 2 record at Zenit, scores goals internationally and our top goal scorer two years in a row in a team that is not free flowing.

Pulis comments from last season "There are times when he does not get that much service, especially away from home, but he is grafting and working for the team.

"He is a top-class striker and is improving every month - he is made for the Premier League, he is a perfect striker for it."
LA liga,Russia, international, top scorer last two seasons? 7 goals last season! Now that's embarrassing, and for people to call him a top class striker is even more embarrassing!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: keithowba86 on September 08, 2017, 11:26:16 PM
There's naff all wrong with rondon! Leave the bloke alone! He's a very good striker who thrives off good service, which we have failed to give him in his 2 seasons with us unfortunately!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on September 08, 2017, 11:49:11 PM
Some right nonsense being spouting in here............

However, on an otherwise thoroughly ******* **** evening for me on a personal level, coming on here and reading some of said nonsense has at the very least provided me with something to laugh about.

Cheers all  ;D .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 09, 2017, 07:42:25 AM
Top scorer in the past 2 seasons but according to you he can't score. This thread is embarrassing.

As for the stats that have TheBrom keeps posting, yet again they've been proved to be pointless and inconclusive due to the amount of variables that can't be kept consistent.

Important to note: If Ben Foster comes up for a last minute corner and scores a header against Brighton he's the best striker in the league, with a 100% shots to goal ratio - blitzing the 29% ratio set by 2015/16's best striker in the league, Callum Wilson of Bournemouth.

Funny that this stat counts. What about all the variables such as who we were playing, quality of opposition he scored against, tap ins, the other strikers/players in the team not scoring or getting the opportunity etc etc. Again, can't have it both ways and pick and choose stats to suit.

The shooting stats were provided on request for someone else to compare Rondon over two seasons, nothing more. As usual it's all being blown out of proportion because someone dares to offer a bit of criticism
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 09, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
Funny that this stat counts. What about all the variables such as who we were playing, quality of opposition he scored against, tap ins, the other strikers/players in the team not scoring or getting the opportunity etc etc. Again, can't have it both ways and pick and choose stats to suit.

The shooting stats were provided on request for someone else to compare Rondon over two seasons, nothing more. As usual it's all being blown out of proportion because someone dares to offer a bit of criticism

The guy literally said that Rondon can't score goals, I was proving that it is a fact that he clearly can.

I see he is getting pelters on Twitter already for his performance today, he set up our only chance of the first half with his deft flick to Barry. Shame he's taking the flak from Pulis' terrible management, the guy never gets decent service - I can't remember the last cross that was even possible for him to get his head on, the last time someone played it in to his feet for him to shoot was even further back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on September 09, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
The guy literally said that Rondon can't score goals, I was proving that it is a fact that he clearly can.

I see he is getting pelters on Twitter already for his performance today, he set up our only chance of the first half with his deft flick to Barry. Shame he's taking the flak from Pulis' terrible management, the guy never gets decent service - I can't remember the last cross that was even possible for him to get his head on, the last time someone played it in to his feet for him to shoot was even further back.

But the problem is the guy cannot do the basics therefore he won't get into the right positions not now not ever the game at that level is played in your brain not just your feet people are blinded by this supposed work rate he simply hasn't got it. It was a complete dereliction of duty to not replace him in the summer .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 09, 2017, 05:04:04 PM
Compared to Rodriguez big Sal was superb today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 09, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
Compared to most other footballers he was woeful. Completely not arsed today. Offered absolutely zero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 09, 2017, 05:30:55 PM
Compared to Rodriguez big Sal was superb today.

To be fair they were both awful. Is it too hard to have a striker that can control the ball?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 09, 2017, 05:33:04 PM
I say again Rondon is and was again today awful, Rodriguez should be playing down the middle not out wide.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 09, 2017, 05:37:33 PM
There were only two gilt edged chances for the strikers today. Both fell to Rodriguez and both times he failed to get a shot away.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 09, 2017, 06:16:54 PM
Compared to Rodriguez big Sal was superb today.
Come on Jacko you can't compare his continual rubbish performances with someone else who was admittedly also rubbish today.
Bloody hell Hal Robson-Kanu looks a better option by the minute.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 09, 2017, 06:24:55 PM
From the BBC: "Rondon was once again poor with no efforts and a 41.2% passing accuracy, which is not ideal if your role is to bring others into play."

41.2% passing accuracy is a shocking effort. Pulis was a mug for playing him today as he's proved consistently not to be good enough. I was also shocked we didn't sign an out and out striker this window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 09, 2017, 06:26:33 PM
From the BBC: "Rondon was once again poor with no efforts and a 41.2% passing accuracy, which is not ideal if your role is to bring others into play."

41.2% passing accuracy is a shocking effort. Pulis was a mug for playing him today as he's proved consistently not to be good enough. I was also shocked we didn't sign an out and out striker this window.

Can't be bringing stats into it mate don't you know?

There are other factors that affected his poor passing today and he does other stuff
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 09, 2017, 06:33:13 PM
His poor passing and control happens every game, his only contribution save for falling over was to block a strike from Barry in the first half that looked goal bound.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 09, 2017, 06:40:46 PM
His poor passing and control happens every game, his only contribution save for falling over was to block a strike from Barry in the first half that looked goal bound.

He played a lovely flick into Barry to set him up for the best chance in the first half. But lets ignore that, it was Rondon's fault that he was isolated with no support yet again. I also can't believe Rondon picked that embarassing starting XI and told Foster and Nyom to make those mistakes, worst player ever to wear the stripes.

Jesus, if Rondon is the player taking the most flak for today's performance then the guy has no chance. Needs a move to a team that plays football, will reinvigorate his career.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie_liam on September 09, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
He is rubbish! Totally.. utterly rubbish!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 09, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
From the BBC: "Rondon was once again poor with no efforts and a 41.2% passing accuracy, which is not ideal if your role is to bring others into play."

41.2% passing accuracy is a shocking effort. Pulis was a mug for playing him today as he's proved consistently not to be good enough. I was also shocked we didn't sign an out and out striker this window.

He gets no support though. What did you expect his passing accuracy to be? Could put Ibrahimovic up top on his own today and his stats would be similar because apart the closest people too him have chalk on their boots.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on September 09, 2017, 07:04:07 PM
Other players let him down, can't blame Rondon for today!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 09, 2017, 07:23:49 PM
Thought he gave the ball away cheaply for the move that started their second goal too if we're being picky
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 09, 2017, 07:35:33 PM
I thought both did well considering the quality of service they received. The way we set ourselves up to play i can't think of one forward under £100 million who could guarantee to score us 20 goals a season.
   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on September 09, 2017, 07:40:07 PM
would defy any decent striker to be a success in a team that has zilch creativity. any of our forwards will find the going just  as tough as Rondon with a run in this team the way we set up. I pity the poor sods.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 09, 2017, 08:36:25 PM
Other players let him down, can't blame Rondon for today!

Usually I agree with this and feel sorry for the guy but today he wasn't even trying. Half arsed every aerial ball today and passed to Brighton players more than ours. He did absolutely nothing of worth today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 09, 2017, 09:43:37 PM
HRK can't come back soon enough. I know the service and support to Rondon is dire but that doesn't mean he's not useless as well, he is. He has no football brain, or quality. Incredibly clumsy on the ball, falls over far too often despite his weight and height trying to win cheap free kicks. Can't link with the midfield, can't spot any runners. Can't shoot with his feet. He can attack crosses in the air and runs around a bit. His performances just aren't good enough to justify a place in the team, and I'm including all of his many games from the last six month, not just the recent garbage served up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 09, 2017, 10:57:25 PM
Decent scoring record for other clubs until he comes here, seems we've had this scenario a few times over the years. He'll move on and score goals again.

Maybe the conflict in his home country is playing on his mind, not easy to put those things aside at times when family are involved. Needs competition and we should have signed another striker during the window even if it was a loan player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 09, 2017, 11:20:00 PM
Didn't have a good game today. Also didn't get to play AT ALL in a striker role, meaning in the box or anywhere near it.

It's pointed out time and time again that we don't play to his strengths (he's an in-the-box striker who needs support). Today he had a poor game playing outside of his comfort zone, on short rest and following a trip from overseas. Anyone focused on him for today's game simply wants to bury him. He failed today but the team and manager also failed him in a greater way
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 10, 2017, 07:41:35 AM
Don't know whether he was tired due to the travel this past week, his mind is on the issues in his own Country or his head is just shot but he just isn't doing a single thing well at the moment. Until his head is back in the game then Rodriguez and Robson-Kanu should be ahead of him in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jharman292 on September 10, 2017, 08:24:44 AM
Genuinely think this guy is a big part of why we struggle. He neither holds the ball as a target man should or runs behind to stretch defence. He simply offers nothing to the team and pretty much every attack dies with him. He needs to drop out against West Ham, otherwise i fear it will be much of the same.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on September 10, 2017, 08:45:39 AM
I was there yesterday. This bloke should be nowhere near the starting line up. Absolutely dog s**t. AGAIN!
So lightweight for a massive lump. Gave the ball away by falling over for one of their goals, trudged around all first half adding nothing to the game. Came out second half clearly after having had a b*******g from Tone and seemed up for it for about 5 minutes, closing players down, making runs etc, then back to his normal s**t self.

When Kanu is back Ronny i'm afraid your days are numbered. Surely. Either Kanu up top with Jrod behind him or Jrod up top.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 09:01:41 AM
These games after his international commitments and flying back in late are the exact ones he should be rested in....I'm sure he wouldn't have played if HRK had been available.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 10, 2017, 09:21:48 AM
These games after his international commitments and flying back in late are the exact ones he should be rested in....I'm sure he wouldn't have played if HRK had been available.
No he shouldn't be rested he is paid by West Bromwich Albion to do his job, and that is what he should do, but sadly he can't do that because he just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on September 10, 2017, 09:23:38 AM
No he shouldn't be rested he is paid by West Bromwich Albion to do his job, and that is what he should do, but sadly he can't do that because he just isn't good enough.

Well he's human, so if he's jet lagged/tired then it doesn't make a difference who pays him. Not really an argument is it.

(i agree btw, he's not good enough)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
No he shouldn't be rested he is paid by West Bromwich Albion to do his job, and that is what he should do, but sadly he can't do that because he just isn't good enough.
So flying back and for Venezuela with a 5 hour time difference and playing 2 games isn't going to have any effect on his energy levels ? If you have other options rest him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 10, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
So flying back and for Venezuela with a 5 hour time difference and playing 2 games isn't going to have any effect on his energy levels ? If you have other options rest him.
His first priority as got to be his club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on September 10, 2017, 09:28:30 AM
i never thought I'd see the day I wished Robson Kanu wasn't suspended .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 09:32:40 AM
His first priority as got to be his club.
We sign him on the understanding that he's an international who will keep playing for his country.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on September 10, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
Yeah I would be dropping him personally, bring in Chadli for Rondon and put J-Rod upfront

Ive been one of his fiercest supporters  but hes not playing well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 10, 2017, 10:17:46 AM
His first priority as got to be his club.
If England qualify for next year's World Cup and player's like Harry Kane turned around and said they were not going over concern of burn out for their domestic club would you be sympathetic?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2017, 11:09:50 AM
its a good job HRK is available again
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2017, 12:40:54 PM
If England qualify for next year's World Cup and player's like Harry Kane turned around and said they were not going over concern of burn out for their domestic club would you be sympathetic?
Unfair argument, he will only be there for the first two weeks 😄
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 10, 2017, 01:11:54 PM
If England qualify for next year's World Cup and player's like Harry Kane turned around and said they were not going over concern of burn out for their domestic club would you be sympathetic?
If England qualify it will be in the close season! When he signed for us he knew he would have to be doing these miles to play for his country if he can't handle it he should play nearer to his home country. I used to care nearly as much for England as I do for the Albion i used to go everywhere with them also but not any more, so club should come first
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: rajesh-wba on September 10, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
I'm a massive fan of Rondon but really surprised he started yesterday due to only arriving till Friday. He was poor. As poor as I've seen him play in a wba shirt. We desperately need the Rondon we had last year from August-February.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 11, 2017, 08:52:48 AM
I'm a massive fan of Rondon but really surprised he started yesterday due to only arriving till Friday. He was poor. As poor as I've seen him play in a wba shirt. We desperately need the Rondon we had last year from August-February.

August to February are you sure? August to December maybe when he was scoring which masked his lack of ability to hold the ball up. He didn't score from December until May and offered nothing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on September 11, 2017, 08:58:13 AM
August to February are you sure? August to December maybe when he was scoring which masked his lack of ability to hold the ball up. He didn't score from December until May and offered nothing.

You cant use scoring goals as a definitive measure of performance though.

He could easily have an absolute stinker in the next two games and score two taps in. He would still be playing a stinker.

Conversely i'd argue there were several good performances in his goaless spell last season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: rajesh-wba on September 11, 2017, 09:10:25 AM
August to February are you sure? August to December maybe when he was scoring which masked his lack of ability to hold the ball up. He didn't score from December until May and offered nothing.

He may never have scored January and February but he was stilll very effective at bringing others into play and occupying both centre backs. Like I said his drop in form has been quite startling in my opinion. Obviously a combination of factors at play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 11, 2017, 09:12:00 AM
You cant use scoring goals as a definitive measure of performance though.

He could easily have an absolute stinker in the next two games and score two taps in. He would still be playing a stinker.

Conversely i'd argue there were several good performances in his goaless spell last season

I can pretty much guarantee that, if picked, he will have 2 absolute stinkers in the next 2 games. I wish he would score 2 tap ins but I'd expect him to be brushed off the ball by a defender or sky it if presented with those chances.

It's funny that a lot of the support for Rondon (not from you necessarily) mentions how he's scored loads of goals in different leagues but when his lack of goals is mentioned it suddenly isn't important.

I'd counter argue there were maybe a couple of good performances in his barren spell not several. I'm struggling to think of some though.

Like it or not the main job of a centre forward is to score goals.



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 11, 2017, 09:17:13 AM
He may never have scored January and February but he was stilll very effective at bringing others into play and occupying both centre backs. Like I said his drop in form has been quite startling in my opinion. Obviously a combination of factors at play.

He doesn't really occupy defenders though does he, he loses the ball far too easily for that. his hold up play was poor last season and is getting worse so far this season with Saturday being by far his worst performance.

Maybe he just needs a rest to get his head right.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on September 11, 2017, 09:46:05 AM
I can pretty much guarantee that, if picked, he will have 2 absolute stinkers in the next 2 games. I wish he would score 2 tap ins but I'd expect him to be brushed off the ball by a defender or sky it if presented with those chances.

It's funny that a lot of the support for Rondon (not from you necessarily) mentions how he's scored loads of goals in different leagues but when his lack of goals is mentioned it suddenly isn't important.

I'd counter argue there were maybe a couple of good performances in his barren spell not several. I'm struggling to think of some though.

Like it or not the main job of a centre forward is to score goals.

in those other leagues you just mentioned, he is played in a team that suits him that play to his strengths.

at wba he is played isolated surrounded by defenders trying to control completey poor long balls and crosses.

said this when we signed him that there is no way he could fit into a pulis team, he's the type of striker who needs balls along the floor that he can run onto which he will never get here unfortunately.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2017, 10:07:39 AM
in those other leagues you just mentioned, he is played in a team that suits him that play to his strengths.

at wba he is played isolated surrounded by defenders trying to control completey poor long balls and crosses.

said this when we signed him that there is no way he could fit into a pulis team, he's the type of striker who needs balls along the floor that he can run onto which he will never get here unfortunately.

then he can blaze them high and wide or give the goal keeper a pass back.
His overall game and effort at the moment is awful.
Even allowing for his poor skill level his application should be 100%.
At the moment it isn't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 11, 2017, 12:56:49 PM
He doesn't want to be here. He was probably sold the move differently - a good twelve months here could give you a big money move. But it hasn't worked out that way, because he is unsuited to the way we play, and we refuse to play to his strengths. He hasn't scored enough goals, and we all recall the missed chances because usually they are the only ones he gets in a game.

He's not the big target man that the club seemed to think he was.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on September 11, 2017, 02:00:04 PM
I sympathise with any striker having to play as a No.9 in a Pulis team, but having said that, we could do alot better than Rondon. His close control is very average, and so many of his shots go too high or wide. He puts himself about alot and his heading is good, but that's about it. I'd give JayRod a run in the No.9 position and only bring Rondon in off the bench.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 11, 2017, 02:41:03 PM
he's the type of striker who needs balls along the floor that he can run onto

No evidence of that whatsoever as he can't trap a football or do the basics and his shooting is woeful. It's cringeworthy watching him when the ball is at his feet. Only ever looked comfortable attacking a cross in the air.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on September 11, 2017, 04:06:38 PM
No evidence of that whatsoever as he can't trap a football or do the basics and his shooting is woeful. It's cringeworthy watching him when the ball is at his feet. Only ever looked comfortable attacking a cross in the air.

It is I agree, but you also have to consider that 90% of the balls he gets played to him are poor and then he is nowhere near a shooting position surrounded by the opposition.

Unfortunately he can't take on 4 players and put it in the back of the net and if he could, he wouldn't be playing for us.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 11, 2017, 07:13:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7boyGX5V2Lw

Just stopping to remind you guys Rondon didn't cost £12 million because his highlight reels were full of amazing hold up play, playing with his back to the goal, or creating his own scoring opportunities out of nowhere on a regular basis.

It's totally fair to criticize him for a poor game on Saturday. It's also fair to point out his performance at Brighton did not include him having anything close to a scoring opportunity.

Also feel free to correct me on this, but so far this season Rondon has been a sub twice and performed well both times (other than the shirt tantrum which is an off-the-field negative), and he has started twice now three times scoring one against Accrington (although he should had scored more), having a very solid performance against Stoke, and his lone awful game was this weekend on short rest flying back from another continent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 11, 2017, 07:29:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7boyGX5V2Lw

Just stopping to remind you guys Rondon didn't cost £12 million because his highlight reels were full of amazing hold up play, playing with his back to the goal, or creating his own scoring opportunities out of nowhere on a regular basis.

It's totally fair to criticize him for a poor game on Saturday. It's also fair to point out his performance at Brighton did not include him having anything close to a scoring opportunity.

Also feel free to correct me on this, but so far this season Rondon has been a sub twice and performed well both times (other than the shirt tantrum which is an off-the-field negative), and he has started twice now three times scoring one against Accrington (although he should had scored more), having a very solid performance against Stoke, and his lone awful game was this weekend on short rest flying back from another continent.
No he didn't have a solid performance against Stoke he was awful and so have is substitution appearance's. He just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 11, 2017, 07:49:37 PM
No he didn't have a solid performance against Stoke he was awful and so have is substitution appearance's. He just isn't good enough.

I did see that was your opinion on the Stoke post-game thread, unfortunately for you your fellow fans did not see it the same way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 11, 2017, 08:32:40 PM
Have we created a chance for him in a league game yet this season? Genuine question as I honestly can't remember any.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 11, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
I did see that was your opinion on the Stoke post-game thread, unfortunately for you your fellow fans did not see it the same way.
Did they not? well the majority who where at the game certainly did.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 11, 2017, 08:55:59 PM
Any striker playing under Pulis has struggled to look good and Rondon is the latest in a long line but it doesn't make him rubbish. Different set up, different player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 11, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
I thought Rondon was rubbish against Stoke.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 11, 2017, 09:33:34 PM
I did see that was your opinion on the Stoke post-game thread, unfortunately for you your fellow fans did not see it the same way.

I did, he was absolutely appalling. Bullied by Shawcross all game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on September 11, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
I thought Rondon did ok against Stoke
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Sted1990 on September 11, 2017, 09:42:19 PM
If Rondon had held the ball up then Stoke wouldn't have scored. I know there was  defensive mix up but once again he failed to do the basics..as for scoring goals, he's scored 1 league goal since Christmas. I know we're defensive but Danny Dichio would have scored more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2017, 06:20:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7boyGX5V2Lw

Just stopping to remind you guys Rondon didn't cost £12 million because his highlight reels were full of amazing hold up play, playing with his back to the goal, or creating his own scoring opportunities out of nowhere on a regular basis.

It's totally fair to criticize him for a poor game on Saturday. It's also fair to point out his performance at Brighton did not include him having anything close to a scoring opportunity.

Also feel free to correct me on this, but so far this season Rondon has been a sub twice and performed well both times (other than the shirt tantrum which is an off-the-field negative), and he has started twice now three times scoring one against Accrington (although he should had scored more), having a very solid performance against Stoke, and his lone awful game was this weekend on short rest flying back from another continent.

what did we pay £12 Million for ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on September 12, 2017, 07:33:22 AM
I did see that was your opinion on the Stoke post-game thread, unfortunately for you your fellow fans did not see it the same way.

There are some of us who have been saying he's not good enough for 12 months , slowly but surely there is a growing number who are starting to think the same.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 16, 2017, 07:28:31 PM
Did his replacement fare any better today i'd say no was it his fault no, any forward can only be effective given the right balls to feed off. Maybe today has opened the eyes of some of Ron's knockers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
Did his replacement fare any better today i'd say no was it his fault no, any forward can only be effective given the right balls to feed off. Maybe today has opened the eyes of some of Ron's knockers.


Rodriguez and then HRK were awful. Rondon would have got more change out of those punts no doubt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 16, 2017, 07:39:46 PM
HRK was not "awful" Jacko, and in any case Rondon is awful every week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on September 16, 2017, 07:47:22 PM
Rodriguez showed today that any striker we play upfront alone will be totally ineffective, rondon has scored goals everywhere he's been, he hasn't turned rubbish over night.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on September 16, 2017, 07:52:31 PM
Rodriguez showed today that any striker we play upfront alone will be totally ineffective, rondon has scored goals everywhere he's been, he hasn't turned rubbish over night.
Agreed, he's had the life drained out of him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on September 20, 2017, 09:58:06 PM
Those clambering for HRK over Rondon still want that after tonight?! HRK missed some great chances tonight! 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiesboots on September 20, 2017, 10:10:41 PM
Those clambering for HRK over Rondon still want that after tonight?! HRK missed some great chances tonight!
All that does is point to the fact that we desperately needed a quality striker in the summer, and it's unfair to both Rondon & HRK to expect them to bury the 1 or 2 chances that we actually create each game. The way we approach games is more the issue here, as if we played on the front foot regularly,the whole team would be more comfortable attacking, and goals would follow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on September 20, 2017, 10:59:15 PM
All that does is point to the fact that we desperately needed a quality striker in the summer, and it's unfair to both Rondon & HRK to expect them to bury the 1 or 2 chances that we actually create each game. The way we approach games is more the issue here, as if we played on the front foot regularly,the whole team would be more comfortable attacking, and goals would follow.
Very, very good point.It's hard to judge our strikers too much under the majority of Pulis's reign. They live on scraps 95% of the time and are expected to convert the odd one that does crop up, it's the hardest gig around and I often wonder how Odemwingie would have done under Pulis or even SKP.
Its very easy to forget Rondon was one of the top rated strikers in Europe before we signed him.....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on September 20, 2017, 11:01:51 PM
HRK was not "awful" Jacko, and in any case Rondon is awful every week.

HRK is a championship striker at very best. if he had any ability at all he would of buried his chance instead of shooting towards the side where the keeper was instead and we would have took it to extra time.

Rondon was more effective as a sub than kanu was all game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 20, 2017, 11:09:28 PM
HRK is a championship striker at very best. if he had any ability at all he would of buried his chance instead of shooting towards the side where the keeper was instead and we would have took it to extra time.

Rondon was more effective as a sub than kanu was all game.

while I thought Rondon was good when he came in I disagree with the bolded. HRK had put in a really good shift until the miss at the end (he may have had more than one miss, I can't remember). He deserves to be called out for missing a very easy chance in a very critical spot, but that can't negate that he worked hard throughout the game especially for someone who more often than not didn't get a lot of support (and Rodriguez was the opposite of sharp).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on September 20, 2017, 11:47:17 PM
while I thought Rondon was good when he came in I disagree with the bolded. HRK had put in a really good shift until the miss at the end (he may have had more than one miss, I can't remember). He deserves to be called out for missing a very easy chance in a very critical spot, but that can't negate that he worked hard throughout the game especially for someone who more often than not didn't get a lot of support (and Rodriguez was the opposite of sharp).

you have hit the nail on the head there.

We have a team of players who work hard... regardless of how poor they may be... which is our downfall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on September 21, 2017, 04:28:38 PM
To be fair to Rondon he gave the game a real kick up the jacksy when he came on. Good on him for that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 22, 2017, 02:17:52 PM
When TP looks at a striker the number
thing he looks at is the work rate
& not just in the box but all over the pitch including his defensive side. The reason
for this is I believe he See's 90% of our goals coming from set pieces. So a forward who is hard working & scores most of his goals from set pieces is is dream forward.
No Messi for him he doesn't track back enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 22, 2017, 03:04:09 PM
I don't think he's worried about his striker scoring from set pieces, his 3 centre backs are the prime targets.

Rondon has scored very few set piece goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on September 22, 2017, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Adder link=topic=16860.msg561613#msg561613 date=1506088977

Rondon has scored very few set piece goals.
[/quote

Our corners are thought out and deliberate. Rondon often attracts a key marker from the opposition and if you watch our set pieces, he is often a diversion or a blocker rather than the target of the cross. He has scored a few from wide free kicks for us, probably when he is free to make his own movement unlike corners. That's not a criticism of Pulis as our set-pieces are generally effective over the course of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 22, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
[quote author=Adder link=topic=16860.msg561613#msg561613 date=1506088977

Rondon has scored very few set piece goals.


Our corners are thought out and deliberate. Rondon often attracts a key marker from the opposition and if you watch our set pieces, he is often a diversion or a blocker rather than the target of the cross. He has scored a few from wide free kicks for us, probably when he is free to make his own movement unlike corners. That's not a criticism of Pulis as our set-pieces are generally effective over the course of the season.
Exactly, they are thought out and there's lots going on but the 3 CBs are the prime targets - I'm not criticising Rondon for that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
Hope he starts tonight. Our best striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 04:03:22 PM
Hope he starts tonight. Our best striker.
ai hope he don't! If he does it will just be hoof ball and we will continually be under the cosh as usual.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2017, 04:24:18 PM
ai hope he don't! If he does it will just be hoof ball and we will continually be under the cosh as usual.

I don't think that will be anything to do with Rondon being up front
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 04:25:12 PM
ai hope he don't! If he does it will just be hoof ball and we will continually be under the cosh as usual.

lol it's ALWAYS hoof ball regardless of who starts up front
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2017, 05:16:36 PM
it wasn't hoofball second half against city, it was quite enjoyable and would love us to play that way more often. we used the width of the pitch with a good degree of success and the pole ran the midfield. grates with me why we don't play that way more often instead of sitting back and inviting teams onto us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 25, 2017, 05:16:55 PM
lol it's ALWAYS hoof ball regardless of who starts up front
who's faults that then??
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
it wasn't hoofball second half against city, it was quite enjoyable and would love us to play that way more often. we used the width of the pitch with a good degree of success and the pole ran the midfield. grates with me why we don't play that way more often instead of sitting back and inviting teams onto us.

I'd love to see a performance like that out of the gate even if you can't keep it up for 90 minutes. Can't remember the last time I saw that. Maybe the season opener.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
Anybody seriously think HRK is a better option than Rondon needs to give their head a wobble. Absolutely dreadful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 25, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
Nondon strikes again. Will he score before fat boy at stoke I wonder . HRK always a better bet
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on September 25, 2017, 09:53:41 PM
If he played in the first half when we created chances I am positive he would have scored.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 25, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
Anybody seriously think HRK is a better option than Rondon needs to give their head a wobble. Absolutely dreadful.

There both dreadful not much between them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 25, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
whipping boy status CONFIRMED. Played the final 30 minutes in a game in which we only showed up in the first half but right after the game the criticism comes to him. Unreal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 25, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
When was the last time he scored, so he should be the whipping boy. Like somebody said he can't be arsed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2017, 10:11:48 PM
As a Rondon fan I have to say he looked totally half arsed for his 30 odd mins tonight , really poor.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on September 25, 2017, 10:13:40 PM
As a Rondon fan I have to say he looked totally half arsed for his 30 odd mins tonight , really poor.

You would if HRK started in front of you. Watch it back, you'll see Rondon holding it up much better than HRK and rarely did he actually do anything that warranted negative reactions.

As for the selection, tactics and gameplay as a whole, I will post in the Pulis thread.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
You would if HRK started in front of you. Watch it back, you'll see Rondon holding it up much better than HRK and rarely did he actually do anything that warranted negative reactions.

As for the selection, tactics and gameplay as a whole, I will post in the Pulis thread.
Cobblers mate , I looked at the clock when he came on. 30 mins to show us something , get on the ball whatever.
Doesn't matter whose in front of him , he should be busting a gut to get that shirt back. As I say , I'm a fan but he looks well off it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 26, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
When was the last time he scored, so he should be the whipping boy. Like somebody said he can't be arsed

1st half last night we created enough QUALITY balls into the box to have scored 3-4 goals 
its been many a moon since we created more than 1 in the whole of any game or played two up front.
Rondon ant for you & thats fair play & if he missed has many chances has some did last night i'd be starting to be thinking along the same lines myself.
If Chadli isn't in TP future game plan he needs to be replaced along with a upgrade for Morrisson
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on September 26, 2017, 04:50:55 PM
thought we suffered when both Morrison and Rondon came on, not as effective as HRK and Jrod up front, I like Rondon but we are getting nothing from him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 26, 2017, 07:36:08 PM
thought we suffered when both Morrison and Rondon came on, not as effective as HRK and Jrod up front, I like Rondon but we are getting nothing from him.

We suffered from the whistle that started the 2nd half full stop rubbish is too kind a word. Can you or any other fan remember any clear chance that Rondon missed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on September 27, 2017, 01:34:31 PM
For all his workrate, he just doesn't have enough quality in front of goal. If someone were to have a statistic on his chances to goals ratio, it would be dismal. I think he's out of his depth at this level. HRK has a slightly different style, and we can interchange between the two of them during matches, but ultimately we need someone more clinical in front of goal. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 27, 2017, 01:52:04 PM
J-Rod caused problems and could have scored two in the first half, whereas Rondon never has any movement or anticipation to pose a threat and when the balls finds him (rather than him finding the ball) his touch, awareness and basic ability is awful. He spends more time looking lost and falling over at the slightest contact than anything else. He is just not good enough and has been found out. He ran out of excuses a long time ago.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 27, 2017, 02:14:47 PM
He seems a nice enough bloke, but we need someone with a bit more guile up front.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 27, 2017, 02:49:27 PM
J-Rod caused problems and could have scored two in the first half, whereas Rondon never has any movement or anticipation to pose a threat and when the balls finds him (rather than him finding the ball) his touch, awareness and basic ability is awful. He spends more time looking lost and falling over at the slightest contact than anything else. He is just not good enough and has been found out. He ran out of excuses a long time ago.


spot on with your assesment, last chance saloon with me when he started chucking the shirt
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on September 27, 2017, 05:39:09 PM
It's all gone a bit Anichebe, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 27, 2017, 07:50:31 PM
For all his workrate, he just doesn't have enough quality in front of goal. If someone were to have a statistic on his chances to goals ratio, it would be dismal. I think he's out of his depth at this level. HRK has a slightly different style, and we can interchange between the two of them during matches, but ultimately we need someone more clinical in front of goal.

So Rondon isnt Prem quality because he doesn't score enough goals but its ok that HKR & JR who have missed more open goals this season because he/they
"have slightly different style, and we can interchange between the two of them during matches"
There isnt a forward in the whole of europe who wouldnt struggle to score goals playing for us right now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on September 27, 2017, 08:32:02 PM
So Rondon isnt Prem quality because he doesn't score enough goals but its ok that HKR & JR who have missed more open goals this season because he/they
"have slightly different style, and we can interchange between the two of them during matches"
There isnt a forward in the whole of europe who wouldnt struggle to score goals playing for us right now
Robson-Kanu as missed one, Rodriguez hasn't missed any open goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 27, 2017, 08:55:45 PM
Robson-Kanu as missed one, Rodriguez hasn't missed any open goals

missed 2 or 3 against Accrington
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2017, 09:26:06 AM
So Rondon isnt Prem quality because he doesn't score enough goals but its ok that HKR & JR who have missed more open goals this season because he/they
"have slightly different style, and we can interchange between the two of them during matches"
There isnt a forward in the whole of europe who wouldnt struggle to score goals playing for us right now

I think for some it's the fact that both Rodriguez and HRK get themselves into positions to miss goals more often, Rondon often doesn't even find a decent position to miss from.

Someone mentioned Anichebe earlier, to be fair I think he's more like Brown Ideye although like Anichebe he does get bullied by smaller players and spends a lot of time on his backside looking for fouls when he's lost the ball or failed to hold it up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 28, 2017, 09:40:38 AM
I think for some it's the fact that both Rodriguez and HRK get themselves into positions to miss goals more often, Rondon often doesn't even find a decent position to miss from.

Someone mentioned Anichebe earlier, to be fair I think he's more like Brown Ideye although like Anichebe he does get bullied by smaller players and spends a lot of time on his backside looking for fouls when he's lost the ball or failed to hold it up.

How many game has Rondon had a partner upfront with him to help split the normal 3-4 backs , he is used has a target man

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/target-man

in games such as football or hockey, an attacking player in a central position to whom other players kick long passes:
His job as a target man is to hold up the ball long enough to bring his teammates into play.

That being the case i think he's the best in our squad & probably why other fans & tv pundits rate him higher than many of our own fans.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2017, 09:52:44 AM
How many game has Rondon had a partner upfront with him to help split the normal 3-4 backs , he is used has a target man

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/target-man

in games such as football or hockey, an attacking player in a central position to whom other players kick long passes:
His job as a target man is to hold up the ball long enough to bring his teammates into play.

That being the case i think he's the best in our squad & probably why other fans & tv pundits rate him higher than many of our own fans.

Rodriguez played as the lone striker against Bournemouth and Burnley and created plenty of chances for himself, Robson -Kanu came on as his replacement, played the same role, and scored against Burnley.

He doesn't "hold the ball up long enough to bring his team mates into play" though does he?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 28, 2017, 11:02:02 AM
What you say about Rondon about his lacks
Of goals is true but you don't apply the same
rules to jrod or hrk but that's just a difference in opinions .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 28, 2017, 12:11:02 PM
What you say about Rondon about his lacks
Of goals is true but you don't apply the same
rules to jrod or hrk but that's just a difference in opinions .

If Rodriguez and Robson -Kanu continually fail to score like Rondon they will get the same criticism from me. At the moment they don't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 28, 2017, 05:33:45 PM
oh this is good, please tell me more about all these opportunities Rodriguez created for himself against Burnley. Overall, and definitely on the attack, that was an AWFUL game that gets some lipstick on it because HRK did good to take advantage of some very suspect defending by Burnley on one of those balls that gets hoofed forward (if WE had been scored on with the same play we would had killed whoever those defenders were)

And Rodriguez and HRK HAVE BEEN failing to score, although it'd be unfair to place the blame for that mostly on them. Then again I don't know how many times I've said that about Rondon, who has had some good performances so far this season despite not scoring in league play yet.

Rondon last season scored on just 8.5% of his shots. Rodriguez this season has scored on just 6.25% of his shots.

To me Rodriguez/Rondon need to start some games together (be it a 442 or 4411) with HRK as an option off the bench (he has more impact this way). But old Tony will never do that. He must know what he's doing after all ... oh, wait, his teams average EXACTLY a goal/game in 101 PL appearances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on September 28, 2017, 07:27:21 PM
So Rondon isnt Prem quality because he doesn't score enough goals but its ok that HKR & JR who have missed more open goals this season because he/they
"have slightly different style, and we can interchange between the two of them during matches"
There isnt a forward in the whole of europe who wouldnt struggle to score goals playing for us right now

I'm the last one to defend the tactics or long balls forward football we are playing at the moment, but
nevertheless of the chances Rondon gets, and he still gets chances, he converts very few. His shots are too wild and his basic control in tight spaces lets him down.  I'm not saying there's much to choose between Rondon and HRK. The point about different style is that when in a game a forward isn't getting any change out of defenders, you change things around, and sometimes a different style can make the breakthrough. However,of the 3,  JayRod looks the best all round forward. He gets into better positions and looks more likely to score than Rondon. Will be intersting to see how JRod does in 1 v 1 against a keeper. That's a good test for how much poise and control a good striker has.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 28, 2017, 07:38:05 PM
I'm the last one to defend the tactics or long balls forward football we are playing at the moment, but
nevertheless of the chances Rondon gets, and he still gets chances, he converts very few. His shots are too wild and his basic control in tight spaces lets him down.  I'm not saying there's much to choose between Rondon and HRK. The point about different style is that when in a game a forward isn't getting any change out of defenders, you change things around, and sometimes a different style can make the breakthrough. However,of the 3,  JayRod looks the best all round forward. He gets into better positions and looks more likely to score than Rondon. Will be intersting to see how JRod does in 1 v 1 against a keeper. That's a good test for how much poise and control a good striker has.
He had a 1v1 on Monday night. Barring a good finger tip save, it may have gone in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 29, 2017, 08:12:11 AM
oh this is good, please tell me more about all these opportunities Rodriguez created for himself against Burnley. Overall, and definitely on the attack, that was an AWFUL game that gets some lipstick on it because HRK did good to take advantage of some very suspect defending by Burnley on one of those balls that gets hoofed forward (if WE had been scored on with the same play we would had killed whoever those defenders were)

And Rodriguez and HRK HAVE BEEN failing to score, although it'd be unfair to place the blame for that mostly on them. Then again I don't know how many times I've said that about Rondon, who has had some good performances so far this season despite not scoring in league play yet.

Rondon last season scored on just 8.5% of his shots. Rodriguez this season has scored on just 6.25% of his shots.

To me Rodriguez/Rondon need to start some games together (be it a 442 or 4411) with HRK as an option off the bench (he has more impact this way). But old Tony will never do that. He must know what he's doing after all ... oh, wait, his teams average EXACTLY a goal/game in 101 PL appearances.

Okay so I'll concede that Rodriguez didn't create many chances or maybe any chances against Burnley but he certainly did against Bournemouth.
Maybe it was poor defending for the goal against Burnley but HRK still had plenty to do to score....which he did do. Can you honestly say that you'd be confident that Rondon would have scored?

Why are you comparing Rondon's whole season ratio with Rodriguez's 6 game ratio? You can't compare the 2 things yet, let's see at the end of the season.

I think Rondon played okay when he came on against Man City but other than that he's looked poor (I missed the Accrington Cup game so can't comment on that). To be fair to Rondon I don't think Pulis should have started him against Brighton as he'd only just come back from Venezuela so no wonder he looked jaded but he's done nothing in any of the other games.




Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 29, 2017, 06:56:05 PM
Okay so I'll concede that Rodriguez didn't create many chances or maybe any chances against Burnley but he certainly did against Bournemouth.
Maybe it was poor defending for the goal against Burnley but HRK still had plenty to do to score....which he did do. Can you honestly say that you'd be confident that Rondon would have scored?

Why are you comparing Rondon's whole season ratio with Rodriguez's 6 game ratio? You can't compare the 2 things yet, let's see at the end of the season.

I think Rondon played okay when he came on against Man City but other than that he's looked poor (I missed the Accrington Cup game so can't comment on that). To be fair to Rondon I don't think Pulis should have started him against Brighton as he'd only just come back from Venezuela so no wonder he looked jaded but he's done nothing in any of the other games.

let me clarify I'm not looking to discredit HRK's work on the goal, like I said he took advantage of the situation. Could Rondon have scored on that situation? Maybe, it's not like it took a skill HRK has that Rondon hasn't. But again, I'm not trying to make HRK's goal something about Rondon.

Of course I'm not trying to equally compare Rodriguez' ratio after 8 games to a whole season from Rondon, but I did find it interesting when I looked at it. I'm certainly not trying to argue Rodriguez is worse.

And saying Rondon has looked poor other than against City and the Accrington game is false:

Vs Bournemouth, he came on in the 87th minute against Bournemouth and (get this, Baggie82) created a really good scoring chance on a counter by making a good run from his own side of the field, getting the ball just after midfield and forcing Begovic to make a tough save on a shot from just outside the box.

At Burnley, he came on after HRK's red against Burnley and did well to keep Burnley honest at the back despite them having a man advantage.

At Accrington, you said you missed it so here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VodjEo-KJ8

Vs Stoke, despite some dissenting opinions on here Rondon put in a strong shift in this game, won corners and free kicks for the team and made a good run on Nyom's cross into the box that went beyond him where Rodriguez' hustle caught defenders napping for his goal (Zouma's attention may have been on Rondon despite Salo being well defended).

At Brighton, definitely poor, and I agree it was baffling to start him coming off international duty, but whatever.

Vs City, played since the 67th minute and I thought he played good. His hustle vs 2 defenders won the corner that resulted on our only goal and he also had a header vs 2 defenders that barely missed short.

at Arsenal, he didn't get anything to work with after coming in at the 64th minute, we all know we were rubbish in that second half.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on September 30, 2017, 12:24:55 AM
At the minute our strikers are urine poor at a time when the team is creating chances, still think rondon up front with chadli playing the number 10 role is our best option.  Those two looked impressive before chadli injury last season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on September 30, 2017, 08:26:48 AM
Rondon came with a very good reputation and has a good one at international level
I'd stick by him up front and rodriguez on the wing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 30, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
That's more like it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on September 30, 2017, 03:51:04 PM
Happy that he has scored but he really messed up that chance to play somebody in a few mins from the end of first half.

thats the thing he lacks - ability to play a pass
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on September 30, 2017, 06:15:17 PM
Have to admit I was eating humble pie when he scored
 Great strength, pace and a really good finish.

After that though reverted back to falling over too easily and miscontrolling a lot of balls played into him. Saying that he wasn't the worst player on the pitch and wasn't his fault we didn't get the 3 points.

Hopefully the goal has helped his confidence. The celebration looked like a player who needed the goal. Rodriguez seems to be going off the boil a bit, so time for sol to make the most of it and step back up
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on September 30, 2017, 08:08:51 PM
Had a good game today and took his goal well. That will do him the world of good. By far our best striker. Now he has the confidence to go on and bang a couple of more in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on September 30, 2017, 08:11:51 PM
The "Don" is back on the score sheet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 30, 2017, 08:18:28 PM
He took his goal well at last he's scored but ineffective the rest of the game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 01, 2017, 09:11:10 AM
One chance one goal.  Played a big part in the build up for the corner for the second.

Won more free kicks than anybody else on the pitch. 81% of duals won. 79% pass success rate. What else does he need to do to get some people to praise him?

Had Rondon been the player who shot from distance when JRod did in the second half, there would have been a witch hunt against him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 01, 2017, 09:16:20 AM
One chance one goal.  Played a big part in the build up for the corner for the second.

Won more free kicks than anybody else on the pitch. 81% of duals won. 79% pass success rate. What else does he need to do to get some people to praise him?

Had Rondon been the player who shot from distance when JRod did in the second half, there would have been a witch hunt against him.
He's very much our current Marmite player and I really like both him and Marmite!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 01, 2017, 09:50:27 AM
I am going to cut him some slack. Get rid of Pulis then I will judge him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on October 01, 2017, 01:55:43 PM
Won more free kicks than anybody else on the pitch. 81% of duals won. 79% pass success rate. What else does he need to do to get some people to praise him?

Ha, 40th minute Watford give the ball away and we are at them 4-3 in our favour. Ball comes to Rondon with time and space and runners either side of him. He hesitates, then he stumbles, then he takes a heavy touch, then he kicks the ball straight to a Watford player and falls over. It was embarrassing. Unbelievable that a player at this level can't trap, control and move with the ball. His goal yesterday, first in 27 games I believe has not changed my opinion of him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on October 01, 2017, 04:30:35 PM
One chance one goal.  Played a big part in the build up for the corner for the second.

Won more free kicks than anybody else on the pitch. 81% of duals won. 79% pass success rate. What else does he need to do to get some people to praise him?

Had Rondon been the player who shot from distance when JRod did in the second half, there would have been a witch hunt against him.

There already is my friend, there already is. Rondon and Dawson and others before them. It seems some on here are only happy when they can find something to whinge about and have a player to hate. I have heard less  vitriol hurled at vile players. Why they call themselves West brom supporters I just do not know, they seem to much prefer other teams to us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 02, 2017, 09:22:50 AM
One chance one goal.  Played a big part in the build up for the corner for the second.

Won more free kicks than anybody else on the pitch. 81% of duals won. 79% pass success rate. What else does he need to do to get some people to praise him?

Had Rondon been the player who shot from distance when JRod did in the second half, there would have been a witch hunt against him.

I think you'll find that a lot of the people criticising Rondon recently have praised him for the goal and most of his performance yesterday (I have in the after match thread). As to what does he have to do...how about consistently perform at that or a near level? Lets not forget that was his 1st home goal since December 14th 2016... and only his 3rd goal in 2017.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on October 02, 2017, 04:02:23 PM
I was happy that he scored - I don't think Krychowiak's pass gets enough credit on that one, what was that 50 yards in the air to assist Rondon? That was GORGEOUS. Then just an excellent job by Salo to make that run, put himself in position, shield the defender, and score from a really tough angle. I gotta admit I was anticipating the ball going out for a goal kick but he saved it at the end.

Right after he makes things happen again, keeping the ball well on another counter to touch it to Gibbs who played it into the box for what turned into the corner that got us the second goal. Rondon is a factor in it too, forcing his defender into a poor clearance that instead assisted Evans.

I did think after the first 30-35 minutes his performance dropped a bit. But what this game confirmed for me is that he's a totally different player when played on to face the goal than when he has his back against the goal. If you could string together some passes to play him into space more often as opposed to regularly air-mailing balls to him hoping he'll win them and hold them up you would be a lot more pleased with his performances.

I also thought it was such a clown/coward move of TP to take Rodriguez away from him in the second half, we looked a lot more threatening in the 442 whenever we had the ball as opposed to the 451.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on October 16, 2017, 10:42:19 PM
No surprise he looks so much better with players around him. Second half we had a 15 min spell where the link up play between Barry, Krychowiak, Chadli and Rondon was something approaching entertaining. Shame we reverted to type just before they scored.

Thought he used the ball well today and got into some good positions with good movement. Shame nothing fell to him in the box.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 16, 2017, 10:56:59 PM
Agreed, thought he was very good tonight. Easily in our top 3 performers with Greg and Gibbs IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on October 16, 2017, 11:16:54 PM
Agreed, thought he was very good tonight. Easily in our top 3 performers with Greg and Gibbs IMO.

I agree with this.

I think Rondon has to start every game, Rodriguez for me stays on the bench as he's ineffective on the wing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 16, 2017, 11:25:48 PM
I agree with this.

I think Rondon has to start every game, Rodriguez for me stays on the bench as he's ineffective on the wing.

Struggling to see where he fits in to be honest. Doesn't suit the lone striker role in our setup and isn't a winger.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 16, 2017, 11:34:24 PM
Struggling to see where he fits in to be honest. Doesn't suit the lone striker role in our setup and isn't a winger.
He's everything a Pulis wide player or forward isn't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 11:42:23 PM
I agree with this.

I think Rondon has to start every game, Rodriguez for me stays on the bench as he's ineffective on the wing.
That is why we are where we are, Rondon is not the answer in fact he is one of the worst forwards I have seen in an Albion shirt along with Paul Williams, John Thomas  and Stuart Evans!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 16, 2017, 11:49:38 PM
That is why we are where we are, Rondon is not the answer in fact he is one of the worst forwards I have seen in an Albion shirt along with Paul Williams, John Thomas  and Stuart Evans!!

Thought it was all Pulis' fault?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on October 16, 2017, 11:52:40 PM
Thought it was all Pulis' fault?
Don't try to be clever, Pulis keeps picking him doesn't he?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 17, 2017, 12:16:13 AM
Don't try to be clever, Pulis keeps picking him doesn't he?

Don't need to try. Rondon was one of the better performers tonight. Stuart Evans.. Please
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2017, 08:11:15 AM
That is why we are where we are, Rondon is not the answer in fact he is one of the worst forwards I have seen in an Albion shirt along with Paul Williams, John Thomas  and Stuart Evans!!


yes keith quite possibly one of our worst strikers for many years. ineffective to say the least
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 17, 2017, 08:15:09 AM
Struggling to see where he fits in to be honest. Doesn't suit the lone striker role in our setup and isn't a winger.

Maybe he could fit in as part of a front two? Pulis has played him with Robson Kanu maybe it's time to try him with Rondon?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 17, 2017, 09:31:26 AM
Still think J-Rod has a useful role to play off the bench when we are chasing games and we need to go two up top. Much more than slinging on Robson Kanu.

I really wish we had signed a proper target man for direct competition to Rondon in the summer though.

He has a lot of travelling/international commitments and as such cannot lead the forward line effectively every single week especially playing for the most defensive team in the league
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
That is why we are where we are, Rondon is not the answer in fact he is one of the worst forwards I have seen in an Albion shirt along with Paul Williams, John Thomas  and Stuart Evans!!


nothing from him tonight keith to suggest otherwise
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on October 21, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
Yeah he has been pathetic since scoring that hattrick last December

We need a new striker and he needs selling, awful awful player right now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 21, 2017, 08:25:18 PM
Can't help but feel while he was never deadly we have ruined a good forward with our tactics , he'll score goals elsewhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:27:08 PM
yes i believe underneath he was once a good footballer and yes in another team he will most likely come good
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on October 21, 2017, 08:27:21 PM
Yeah he has been pathetic since scoring that hattrick last December

We need a new striker and he needs selling, awful awful player right now

Harsh. He's had 2 years or so sat 30 yards from the rest of the team. I'm surprised he's not asked to leave yet? Maybe he has?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2017, 08:32:05 PM
I think his body language says he’s sick and tired of the tactics. I’d like to see him under a new manager
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on October 21, 2017, 08:34:40 PM
I think his body language says he’s sick and tired of the tactics. I’d like to see him under a new manager

With someone closer to him. Rod could also be decent and the two, played centrally together could be good. The squad is there, the management isn't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
the blokes got no enthusiasm or desire and who can blame him. play a different set up with players around him and you'd see a good player. we need the best in the world to shine for us with so few chances we create,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on October 21, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
With someone closer to him. Rod could also be decent and the two, played centrally together could be good. The squad is there, the management isn't.

But people struggle to understand that.

People are expecting him to get onto balls that are 30ft infront of him or track back to our box, win the ball and take on an whole team and score.

Too isolated to really judge him, the same as any striker is in a pulis set up.... hence why every club he has managed at have never had strikers with any decent goal to game ratios.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 08:37:47 PM
Compared to his 2nd half strike partner he was like Ronaldo today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2017, 08:39:47 PM
Compared to his 2nd half strike partner he was like Ronaldo today.
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But that says more about Rodriguez than Rondon, sadly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on October 21, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
I thought he was one of our better players today, as he was against Leicester.

He gets no service all game and still gets some good knock-downs etc, runs around and gets knackered, I don't think there's much more he can do right now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 10:25:47 PM
I thought he was one of our better players today, as he was against Leicester.

He gets no service all game and still gets some good knock-downs etc, runs around and gets knackered, I don't think there's much more he can do right now.

Agreed. Scapegoat at times.

Had the hardest job in the Premier League. Messi would look bang average in this system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: brummyroader on October 22, 2017, 12:20:21 AM
Glad to see J Rod and HRK look a cut above Rondon...

Two decent performances this week considering the service and help when he does actually get the ball to feet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on October 22, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
Anyone who thinks Rondon played well yesterday should watch the game again. He was absolute garbage at everything . It was he who gave the ball away for the goal . Ive been going up the Albion long enough to see some of the worst forwards we've had and this guy is in my top five . Absolute rubbish .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ComebackStrodds on October 22, 2017, 10:02:38 AM
Brown Ideye in disguise
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 22, 2017, 10:32:09 AM
Anyone who thinks Rondon played well yesterday should watch the game again. He was absolute garbage at everything . It was he who gave the ball away for the goal . Ive been going up the Albion long enough to see some of the worst forwards we've had and this guy is in my top five . Absolute rubbish .


He was hacked down from behind. Definite foul. Anyway you haven't really got much of a clue about forward play as I could name 5 worse than him in the last 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on October 22, 2017, 12:09:26 PM
Rondon has gone backwards since December and the approach by the Chinese  but  what the foook was those attempts by Rodriguez yesterday absolutely awful
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 22, 2017, 01:47:08 PM
Rondon's stats from yesterday again show a decent performance.

86% possession (probably 20% higher than the team overall), won 6-9 duals and won control more than 10 times.

It's what's round him, or better yet NOT round him which causes the problems.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on October 23, 2017, 03:40:23 PM
even if you want to ignore the fact he was probably fouled, it speaks to how much of a whipping boy Rondon is that some blame him for Boufal's goal instead of the half the team the Moroccan got past on his way to scoring.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 23, 2017, 04:02:17 PM
even if you want to ignore the fact he was probably fouled, it speaks to how much of a whipping boy Rondon is that some blame him for Boufal's goal instead of the half the team the Moroccan got past on his way to scoring.

As you know I've been one of his biggest critics but he is definitely blameless for the Soton goal, even if it wasn't a foul (which I think it was) as you say there were plenty of players who could or should have stopped Boufal; Nyom should have just clipped his ankles and took a booking, Dawson should have done the same once Nyom didn't, McAuley should have put his foot in instead of backing off and then turning to the side giving Boufal a clear view of the goal and even Hegazi could have done better (although he may have expected McAuley to do better)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on October 24, 2017, 11:27:30 AM
Rondon's stats from yesterday again show a decent performance.

86% possession (probably 20% higher than the team overall), won 6-9 duals and won control more than 10 times.

It's what's round him, or better yet NOT round him which causes the problems.

Now now, you should know better than post any stats that make Big Ron look good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 24, 2017, 11:32:45 AM
Now now, you should know better than post any stats that make Big Ron look good.

I have learnt that. I just still dont understand people's argument on him.

"he doesnt score enough" - who does in our squad? and seriously how many chances does he get each game? has he had a shot/chance since his goal against Watford? i dont think he has.

"he doesnt hold it up" - proof above that he does

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on October 24, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
I have learnt that. I just still dont understand people's argument on him.

"he doesnt score enough" - who does in our squad? and seriously how many chances does he get each game? has he had a shot/chance since his goal against Watford? i dont think he has.

"he doesnt hold it up" - proof above that he does
Also strange that Rodriguez has been overcome with the same affliction of snatching his one and only chance in a game.

As a striker if you know you will most likely only get one or two chances per game, is it any wonder that you tighten up and snatch at it.
Harry Kane misses just as easy chances, the difference is, he can shrug his shoulders because he knows another one is just around the corner.

Our strikers know they have probably blown our best, if not only, chance of the game.

Rondon's no world beater, but I have said all along, we will not truly know if he is any good until he plays in a decent side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2017, 11:45:08 AM
Decided to give him the benifit of the doubt until we see him peform under a new coach
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 24, 2017, 11:52:12 AM
Also strange that Rodriguez has been overcome with the same affliction of snatching his one and only chance in a game.

As a striker if you know you will most likely only get one or two chances per game, is it any wonder that you tighten up and snatch at it.
Harry Kane misses just as easy chances, the difference is, he can shrug his shoulders because he knows another one is just around the corner.

Our strikers know they have probably blown our best, if not only, chance of the game.

Rondon's no world beater, but I have said all along, we will not truly know if he is any good until he plays in a decent side.

Agreed. I like Rondon, rate him quite a bit, but in no terms do i think he is a world clss forward and i appreciate there are better options out there (who though, is another question). But i just dont see how anybody seriously thinks HRK or JRod are better options than him. In our system anyway
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on October 24, 2017, 12:02:06 PM
Much to many sensible posts here lads. :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 24, 2017, 01:18:50 PM
Funny how we're allowed to post positive stats about his passing, aerial ability and hold up play, but when they're negative they're hit with 'it's not his fault' or 'everyone would look awful how we play'.
Those stats you've posted show he can indeed hold the ball up and pass to his own team mates. Rather than attempt to berate people who provide criticism where it's due, how about question is why doesn't he do it more often? It's not like we played any differently against Southampton than we usually do?

Also, not sure where you got those stats from. Looking a Sqauwka for the game against Southampton: http://epl.squawka.com/english-premier-league/21-10-2017/s-hampton-vs-wba/matches#player-salomón-rondón-7342

His passing was only 69%, only won 49% of aerial duels and made 0 tackles, commiting 2 fouls, 1 interception. Which sounds more like it to me.

 I'm in no way saying he was particularly poor or at fault for us losing, but if you're going to try and have a dig at least use correct stats.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 24, 2017, 01:34:03 PM
Funny how we're allowed to post positive stats about his passing, aerial ability and hold up play, but when they're negative they're hit with 'it's not his fault' or 'everyone would look awful how we play'.
Those stats you've posted show he can indeed hold the ball up and pass to his own team mates. Rather than attempt to berate people who provide criticism where it's due, how about question is why doesn't he do it more often? It's not like we played any differently against Southampton than we usually do?

If you go through this thread you will see i've posted his stats a few times, all of which have always been fairly decent in comparison to the bashing he takes on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 24, 2017, 01:35:26 PM
If you go through this thread you will see i've posted his stats a few times, all of which have always been fairly decent in comparison to the bashing he takes on here.

See above, the Southampton ones are way out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 24, 2017, 01:44:46 PM
See above, the Southampton ones are way out.

You hadnt typed that when i replied; I will find the source of the stats I posted.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 24, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
You hadnt typed that when i replied; I will find the source of the stats I posted.

Fair enough, I'm definitely not saying he was the worst player on the pitch by any standards. J-Rod was very poor and has been for a few weeks. Just that people seem quick to accept positive stats but quickly write off any negative ones with excuses.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 24, 2017, 02:03:55 PM
Fair enough, I'm definitely not saying he was the worst player on the pitch by any standards. J-Rod was very poor and has been for a few weeks. Just that people seem quick to accept positive stats but quickly write off any negative ones with excuses.

But the excuse for attacking players, be it Rondon, JRod or HRK having poor stats, is that we have the most defensive coach in the league.

I'm not sure what the excuse for positive stats for attacking players can be?

The other teams defenders having a mare maybe? Did Southampton defend really poorly on Saturday?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 24, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
I think any striker asked to play in our current system would become disillusioned very quickly. Wheres the fun in chasing 60 yard balls only to control it, and discover there isn't an albion player within 20 yards. I don't believe we have ever played to Rondon's true strengths. He needs wingers supplying crosses for him to get on the end of. He certainly needs another striker to play alongside him. He's no world beater, but he's never been given a chance.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on October 25, 2017, 03:02:35 PM
he is a good player but has no support. He needs the ball into feet - which he never gets. Pulis plays him as a target man because and defensive nature of our formation means that there is rarely anyone for him to lay the ball off to. I wonder shy any striker would want to play for us - its potentially career limiting
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 25, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
 Ball in front of him like Watford at home or Leicester away a few seasons ago is his style  for me , he's not rapid as such but get him away and its a problem for defenders...a strong runner I would describe him as. Don't get me wrong he's not or ever will be deadly in front of goal but the very last thing he is despite his size is a hold up forward how we play him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:24:19 PM
certainly lost rondon from the dressing room anyway the way he swanned off without a hint of respect
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
certainly lost rondon from the dressing room anyway the way he swanned off without a hint of respect




Think I'd be the same if I saw HRK replacing me... utter garbage.  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:27:23 PM
I another one from the dressing room hes lost
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 28, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
Did HRK come on??

Rondon; I feel sorry for you fella.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on October 28, 2017, 05:34:45 PM
I another one from the dressing room hes lost
Not that you would care - you never have a good word to say about him. If you think HRK is better than Rondon, your eyes need testing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Not that you would care - you never have a good word to say about him. If you think HRK is better than Rondon, your eyes need testing.


funny you should say that, specsavers on tuesday
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on October 28, 2017, 06:26:08 PM

funny you should say that, specsavers on tuesday
Ah, that explains it. You will see Rondon in a whole new light soon  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on October 28, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
Rondon is useless another rubbish performance again today he shouldn't start another game!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 07:31:05 PM
Ah, that explains it. You will see Rondon in a whole new light soon  :)


not in a tony pulis team though. he gets no support I have to admit and neither does Kanu. they never will
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on October 28, 2017, 09:21:58 PM
Ive said before i pity any no9 who plays under TP but i will not standup for throwing away our shirt or storming off the field like a spoilt kid. Grow up Ron or you will lose your supporters.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 28, 2017, 09:22:26 PM
Rondon at least scrapped it out today and played a part in Man City not having too much time to play about at the back.
HRK disappointingly was a complete non entity when he came on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: colinmax on October 29, 2017, 06:44:22 AM
Rondon and HRK have to feed on scraps but they rarely do that as neither seem to understand the off side law or are even aware of its existence.
Virtually every match a high proportion of our few attacks break down because of this.
Shouldn't Pullis be sorting this out?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on October 29, 2017, 07:13:00 AM
Rondon and HRK have to feed on scraps but they rarely do that as neither seem to understand the off side law or are even aware of its existence.
Virtually every match a high proportion of our few attacks break down because of this.
Shouldn't Pullis be sorting this out?

you trying to blame pulis for them being offside? ???

I'm far from a pulis fan but you can't blame him for that. it's called playing the offside trap, every striker in the world gets caught offside, it's part of the game.

The problem is if they were scoring more, things like them going offside, losing the ball, bad passes,  easy misses would go unnoticed as such but because they ain't scoring many it's very easy to judge every single little thing to do because it stands out to frustrated fans who are watching them play.

Not sure about HRK, But put rondon in a better set up and you will see a much better striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: colinmax on October 29, 2017, 08:50:59 AM
I accept that most forwards are caught off side occasionally and if you are attacking frequently it is to be expected.
What upsets me is that such a high proportion of our few attacks end because of this.
If I am aware of this then surely Pullis should be also and should address the problem.
If he is doing this in training then I apologise.
Even our first goal yesterday could have been ruled out because Rondon was offside.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on October 29, 2017, 10:18:19 AM
I accept that most forwards are caught off side occasionally and if you are attacking frequently it is to be expected.
What upsets me is that such a high proportion of our few attacks end because of this.
If I am aware of this then surely Pullis should be also and should address the problem.
If he is doing this in training then I apologise.
Even our first goal yesterday could have been ruled out because Rondon was offside.

It couldn't because rondon didn't recieve the ball, so could never have been offside.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 29, 2017, 03:01:03 PM
I do like this forum, regardless of personal preference to label Rondon as "rubbish/useless" is disrespectful

I think you would see a different player if we had a progressive manager setting the team up to play on the front foot

I wouldn't want to defend against, rondon,Phillips,Burke and chadli, fortunately for opposing defences they don't have too

Rondon is very regularly marked by two players , asked to run channels tirelessly, when he gets the ball he has no one in advance and no one within 20 meters , put your boots on, play the same way for a Sunday league team and see how you feel....although I await the 80k a week means you don't get tired , frustrated, etc
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on October 29, 2017, 08:54:49 PM
I do like this forum, regardless of personal preference to label Rondon as "rubbish/useless" is disrespectful

I think you would see a different player if we had a progressive manager setting the team up to play on the front foot

I wouldn't want to defend against, rondon,Phillips,Burke and chadli, fortunately for opposing defences they don't have too

Rondon is very regularly marked by two players , asked to run channels tirelessly, when he gets the ball he has no one in advance and no one within 20 meters , put your boots on, play the same way for a Sunday league team and see how you feel....although I await the 80k a week means you don't get tired , frustrated, etc
Not disrespectful at all he is useless, agree he doesn't get the service but when he does get a chance he should put it away he doesn't as I have said on here many times one on one with the keeper I'd back the keeper every time and he throws a strop to often instead of getting on with the job he is paid to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 08:57:50 PM
Not disrespectful at all he is useless, agree he doesn't get the service but when he does get a chance he should put it away he doesn't as I have said on here many times one on one with the keeper I'd back the keeper every time and he throws a strop to often instead of getting on with the job he is paid to do.

In my view he gets few chances as we create so few, and therefore when he does get an opoortunity he snatches at it. He's got steadily worse the longer he's been with us, like many of Pulis signings.

Evans, Nyom, Chadli have all lost form playing for Pulis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2017, 09:11:04 PM
In my view he gets few chances as we create so few, and therefore when he does get an opoortunity he snatches at it. He's got steadily worse the longer he's been with us, like many of Pulis signings.

Evans, Nyom, Chadli have all lost form playing for Pulis.
Nyom was in and out of the side at Watford as he is here. Evans has Man City, Arsenal, Leicester trying to sign him. Chadli out of the side at Spurs ...has to prove that he can get back to the level he was when he started for us...the jury is out on how effective he can be.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on October 29, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
Nyom was in and out of the side at Watford as he is here. Evans has Man City, Arsenal, Leicester trying to sign him. Chadli out of the side at Spurs ...has to prove that he can get back to the level he was when he started for us...the jury is out on how effective he can be.

Yep, fair enough - but my point is that they are all getting steadily worse under Pulis.

I'm sure there are some, but i struggle to find a player that has actually improved, or a signing that has become absolutely indispensable. Up to this season I would have said that Evans has been a superb signing, and he has been, but even his form is on the slide. After him I don't think there is any Pulis successful that has both become a key member of the team and has retained his form - I guess Gibbs maybe.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2017, 08:13:43 AM
It couldn't because rondon didn't recieve the ball, so could never have been offside.

He doesn't have to receive the ball though to be offside, he only has to try and play the ball to be active as it would be considered "interfering with play". The rule changed at the start of last season.

https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf

I think it was hard for the linesman to judge whether he'd made an attempt to play the ball as it was very crowded so made the right choice by allowing play to continue as he couldn't be sure an offence had taken place.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 03:05:26 PM
Pep seems to like him...

“The Premier League, away, typical English teams with long balls, throw ins, set pieces.

“The counter attacks, the strikers are good. They defend well, they have a lot of experienced guys with Barry, with Evans.”
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on October 30, 2017, 03:10:27 PM
Pep seems to like him...

“The Premier League, away, typical English teams with long balls, throw ins, set pieces.

“The counter attacks, the strikers are good. They defend well, they have a lot of experienced guys with Barry, with Evans.”

I think albion59 knows a bit more about strikers than Pep Guardiola though, don't you?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on October 30, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
I think albion59 knows a bit more about strikers than Pep Guardiola though, don't you?

 ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 30, 2017, 03:14:32 PM
I think albion59 knows a bit more about strikers than Pep Guardiola though, don't you?


No need to single out Albion59. Reading this you'd think we were all experts of the game. With a large proportion purporting to know better than a manager of over a 1000 matches and one time Premier League manager of the year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on October 30, 2017, 03:24:39 PM

No need to single out Albion59. Reading this you'd think we were all experts of the game. With a large proportion purporting to know better than a manager of over a 1000 matches and one time Premier League manager of the year.

It was a joke, but come on, here's a direct quote:

"That is why we are where we are, Rondon is not the answer in fact he is one of the worst forwards I have seen in an Albion shirt along with Paul Williams, John Thomas  and Stuart Evans!!"

The Pulis issue is one of play style and intent to take the game to the opposition and win football matches. Nobody is calling him the worst manager the club has ever had.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on October 30, 2017, 07:53:31 PM
It was a joke, but come on, here's a direct quote:

"That is why we are where we are, Rondon is not the answer in fact he is one of the worst forwards I have seen in an Albion shirt along with Paul Williams, John Thomas  and Stuart Evans!!"

The Pulis issue is one of play style and intent to take the game to the opposition and win football matches. Nobody is calling him the worst manager the club has ever had.
Rondon's job is to score goals, he doesn't end of, I don't give monkeys about being singled out either I was a striker at a very high level so I do know a bit about scoring goals!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 30, 2017, 08:02:03 PM
Rondon's job is to score goals, he doesn't end of, I don't give monkeys about being singled out either I was a striker at a very high level so I do know a bit about scoring goals!
No forward scores regular the way Pulis sets up , never have and never will. Not saying Rondons deadly but his record in Europe and the fact most were stunned when we got him tells me he isn't being played right.
Sadly I think its too late for him now here but when you live on scraps game after game of course it will get to you.
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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on October 30, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
No forward scores regular the way Pulis sets up , never have and never will. Not saying Rondons deadly but his record in Europe and the fact most were stunned when we got him tells me he isn't being played right.
Sadly I think its too late for him now here but when you live on scraps game after game of course it will get to you.
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I can't argue with that! I just don't think he converts enough of the chances he gets I really wish he could prove me wrong I ain't got nothing against the bloke.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on October 30, 2017, 09:17:00 PM
No forward scores regular the way Pulis sets up , never have and never will. Not saying Rondons deadly but his record in Europe and the fact most were stunned when we got him tells me he isn't being played right.
Sadly I think its too late for him now here but when you live on scraps game after game of course it will get to you.
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Rondon was very good for the first couple of months last season, getting 8 goals before Christmas. He seemed to struggle after that hat trick against Swansea, which may be one of the reasons our form dipped. What I will say is that we don't get enough balls in the box to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 09:24:09 PM
Rondon was very good for the first couple of months last season, getting 8 goals before Christmas. He seemed to struggle after that hat trick against Swansea, which may be one of the reasons our form dipped. What I will say is that we don't get enough balls in the box to him.

Finally something we agree on
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 30, 2017, 09:25:48 PM
Thankless job with the way we set up.

top 6 strikers would struggle
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 30, 2017, 09:48:21 PM
Rondon was very good for the first couple of months last season, getting 8 goals before Christmas. He seemed to struggle after that hat trick against Swansea, which may be one of the reasons our form dipped. What I will say is that we don't get enough balls in the box to him.
Lets not forget 3 were against a woeful Swansea as good as the hat trick was.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 01, 2017, 03:53:06 PM
Rondon's job is to score goals, he doesn't end of, I don't give monkeys about being singled out either I was a striker at a very high level so I do know a bit about scoring goals!

That being the case how many goals a season playing in our team & setup would you think was a good season tally.
Did you play has a lone striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on November 01, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
Rondon's job is to score goals, he doesn't end of, I don't give monkeys about being singled out either I was a striker at a very high level so I do know a bit about scoring goals!

The further away we get from when we did it the better we were at it, and the more we think we know about it now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on November 01, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
The further away we get from when we did it the better we were at it, and the more we think we know about it now.
I am well past it now!! But still get people at the Albion saying get your boot's out your still better than this load of bleep
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on November 01, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
That being the case how many goals a season playing in our team & setup would you think was a good season tally.
Did you play has a lone striker.
He should be getting double figures 10-12 even in our set up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 01, 2017, 09:49:18 PM
He should be getting double figures 10-12 even in our set up.

How do you come to that conclusion please?

No striker under TP has ever hit that amount so why is Rondon expected to be any different?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on November 01, 2017, 10:00:29 PM
He should be getting double figures 10-12 even in our set up.
bloody hell mate, the whole team just about scrape that amount under Pulis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 01, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
I am well past it now!! But still get people at the Albion saying get your boot's out your still better than this load of bleep
Now I’m intrigued. Care to tell us the level you achieved?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 01, 2017, 11:05:40 PM
Now I’m intrigued. Care to tell us the level you achieved?

Are you Garry Thompson by any chance? Lol!

Rondon would score 12 goals in a more attack minded side no doubt
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 02, 2017, 12:08:38 AM
Rondon's job is to score goals, he doesn't end of, I don't give monkeys about being singled out either I was a striker at a very high level so I do know a bit about scoring goals!

Genuinely do not mean any disrespect, but who are you and at what level did you play?

Honestly and truthfully would really like to know, no snideness or slight intended.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 02, 2017, 12:25:42 AM
Are you Garry Thompson by any chance? Lol!

Rondon would score 12 goals in a more attack minded side no doubt
if he is garry Thompson he would struggle under pulis,every forward would :'(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on November 02, 2017, 06:58:21 AM
Are you Garry Thompson by any chance? Lol!

Rondon would score 12 goals in a more attack minded side no doubt

I doubt it, I believe Garry Thompson is a Vile fan.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2017, 02:25:15 PM
Genuinely do not mean any disrespect, but who are you and at what level did you play?

Honestly and truthfully would really like to know, no snideness or slight intended.


Spent 5 mins on google to find out 59's name (which I obviously won't post on here) and while 80's and 90's non league football (assuming the 59 is his birth year) records aren't prevalent online. The only reference to the name, is a guy playing in a local Darlington League in 2002, by which time 59 would be in his 40's.


Safe to say that 'high level' didn't include League or Conference Football and probably not the 6th or 7th tier either.


A mystery.  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 02, 2017, 03:09:34 PM
The Only name that springs to my mind is Gary Pigott & that is only because when the lad use to play in the
Stourport & District Sunday league he was manager for a team his son played in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on November 02, 2017, 04:24:48 PM
Are you Garry Thompson by any chance? Lol!

Rondon would score 12 goals in a more attack minded side no doubt
Not Garry Thompson! But did play against him. Also played against Dereck Statham and Wayne Clarke.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on November 02, 2017, 04:31:19 PM
totally ok to get back on topic now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on November 02, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
totally ok to get back on topic now
yeah Rondon ain't very good!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 02, 2017, 08:16:05 PM
yeah Rondon ain't very good!

says you
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on November 02, 2017, 08:34:11 PM
says you
And quite a few others! My opinion and i am entitled to it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 03, 2017, 10:45:07 PM
And quite a few others! My opinion and i am entitled to it.

We all are mukka thats what makes us human. ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2017, 03:48:28 PM
who is the only other premier league footballer to score a hattrick of headers then?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on November 22, 2017, 03:55:42 PM
who is the only other premier league footballer to score a hattrick of headers then?

Big Duncan wasnt it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on November 22, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
Big Duncan wasnt it?
Yes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2017, 04:10:15 PM
bloody hell stop googling folks :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ronnie_allen on November 22, 2017, 04:46:37 PM
bloody hell stop googling folks :)

Was mentioned on MOTD on the evening of that game and going on a lot of "Did You Know" match report sidepieces at the times. That's how I remembered the fact.

Hope he can feel a bit rejuvenated and get some support around him. Seemed to develop a bit of a link with Chadli when the latter was allowed push up in his initial couple games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on November 22, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
was Pardew at all responsible for Benteke scoring 15 league goals last season?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 25, 2017, 08:46:58 AM
was Pardew at all responsible for Benteke scoring 15 league goals last season?

You make an interesting point. As you know I've been very critical of Rondon in the past so I will be very interested to see how he gets on with another manager, especially if it is Pardew or another attack minded one who may well play more to Rondons strengths.

All our attacking players need better service or more support (or both) as we look very short on goals at the moment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 25, 2017, 09:20:49 AM
I think it's fair to see what he does in a different system, how many times does he get the ball in the channel and there is no one within 30 yards ?

I've never played at a high level
I have been lucky enough through friends to have been Ina practice match with Simon Sturridge, Michael husbands and Leon Constantine ....these guys wer out of this world in terms of touch, thought process and movement...it's very easy to watch match of the day and catcall....try it for real..it's a different game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on November 25, 2017, 11:08:59 AM
I think it's fair to see what he does in a different system, how many times does he get the ball in the channel and there is no one within 30 yards ?

I've never played at a high level
I have been lucky enough through friends to have been Ina practice match with Simon Sturridge, Michael husbands and Leon Constantine ....these guys wer out of this world in terms of touch, thought process and movement...it's very easy to watch match of the day and catcall....try it for real..it's a different game.

That's exactly why I like watching Premier League, to see others do what I wish I could do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on November 25, 2017, 01:34:11 PM
I’d love to see Rondon with two flying wingers and a second striker at least some of the time. I’m sure he could score 10 to 15 a season.

The man has a pedigree and I’ve seen flashes of quality to add to his physical strength and good hold up play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on November 25, 2017, 04:50:20 PM
Been superb today

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 25, 2017, 04:58:00 PM
Been superb today
He just needs MORE support..He ran himself into the ground and had no energy left to score at the end.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on November 25, 2017, 05:00:39 PM
Think.he had a point to prove with pulis 😉
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on November 25, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
Thought he was fantastic today against what is one of the best defences in the league. If he can play like that ever week he could absolutely dominate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on November 25, 2017, 05:13:00 PM
Excellent performance today, should have done better with the two chances at the end but I think he was blowing out of his a**e by that point.

I've said all along that his main problem was Pulis and that we'd see his quality when he has players up in support of him and I'm sticking to that, hopefully when the new manager comes in I will be proven right.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on November 25, 2017, 05:24:31 PM
Today gives me hope with him , he'll never be deadly but we have rarely played to his strengths. Loved the way he bounced Sanchez off him for the goal .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boot2006 on November 25, 2017, 06:01:13 PM
Great player, will get better and better if he gets the support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 25, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Notice he scored from a through ball, on the ground into the channel he was running and able to use his upper body strength, makes a difference from having them pepper him from a great height with no support with aimlessly lobbed up balls
Also big nod to Livermore for being far enough forward to nail Ali and slip the pass in to Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on November 25, 2017, 07:49:48 PM
still feel we haven't seen anywhere near what he's capable of, his energy and strength was immense today, with the right partner and supply he will get the goals we need.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on November 30, 2017, 03:50:51 PM
I don't find it a coincidence that the last couple of games, post TP with the players being further up the pitch and closer to Rondon (he has had more support), have resulted in the #9 having back to back standout performances. I'm hopeful this will be the case more often than not with Pardew.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 30, 2017, 03:58:20 PM
I don't find it a coincidence that the last couple of games, post TP with the players being further up the pitch and closer to Rondon (he has had more support), have resulted in the #9 having back to back standout performances. I'm hopeful this will be the case more often than not with Pardew.

Neither do I.

Who would have thought a player in a team game might become more effective with the support of his colleagues?

Truly baffling.

Here's hoping things continue to improve for Rondon and he can improve his goal to appearance ratio  8) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2017, 04:01:52 PM
I don't find it a coincidence that the last couple of games, post TP with the players being further up the pitch and closer to Rondon (he has had more support), have resulted in the #9 having back to back standout performances. I'm hopeful this will be the case more often than not with Pardew.
Said all along that we wouldn't know if he was any good until he played for a different manager or a different club. We'll find out now.
My opinion is that we have a very good target man.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 30, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
Rondon seems to be enthused by the arrival of Pardew if the article below is anything to go by: "my main concern is to help the team, to hold the ball up and try to play. I think when the players get more confident around you, you can play and you can move. I think now is a good time for me. When the new manager introduces his style and his tactics, I hope every player can help one another."

Fingers crossed that Rondon and a number of other players will be revitalised by Pardew's coaching and tactics and we'll start to see the best of them. Those that were previously stifled, suppressed and isolated might now start to feel energised and supported, which can only be good. It'll be interesting to see how the likes of Rondon, Rodriguez etc respond to playing in a more attack-minded side. Those who continue to play poorly when the style of play changes will be the ones who need to be moved on.

Link: Rondon relishing new era (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/rondon-feeling-good-ahead-of-palace/)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 01, 2017, 08:48:55 AM
I'll be happy to hold my hands up and admit I was wrong about Rondon if he can manage to play at a similar level to what he's shown in the last 2 games for the remainder of the season.
 He has looked a completely different player, he's starting to use his body to better effect when holding onto the ball and also using it to out muscle defenders when running with/for the ball.
 That 25 yrd shot onto the bar on Tuesday was something I never thought I'd see from him (having the confidence to shoot from there I mean... not missing :P)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 01, 2017, 08:54:24 AM
I'll be happy to hold my hands up and admit I was wrong about Rondon if he can manage to play at a similar level to what he's shown in the last 2 games for the remainder of the season.
 He has looked a completely different player, he's starting to use his body to better effect when holding onto the ball and also using it to out muscle defenders when running with/for the ball.
 That 25 yrd shot onto the bar on Tuesday was something I never thought I'd see from him (having the confidence to shoot from there I mean... not missing :P)

I will have to join you on this one Hull. Even I gave up on him towards the end but I thought he looked quite good the other night. It will be interesting to see how he fits into Pardews set up.

He looked as keen as mustard on Tuesday which was a refreshing change......hopefully it can only get better for him, and us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on December 01, 2017, 09:14:08 AM
You will never see the best of any player or team if you don't play to there strengths
Let's hope Alan starts doing that Saturday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 02, 2017, 07:02:54 PM
Must admit I had completely given up with him. Playing much, much better, but still do not think he will ever be a prolific goalscorer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2017, 07:07:29 PM
Must admit I had completely given up with him. Playing much, much better, but still do not think he will ever be a prolific goalscorer.


Didn't have any chances today. Had one superb header against 2 defenders that went just wide. The other 2 wasted all the presentable chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on December 02, 2017, 07:48:46 PM
Think he's played really well these last few games. Now we're higher up the pitch, I'd like to see us get crosses into him and give him more to work on. Can't fault his effort and desire since Pulis has gone - looks re-energised.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on December 03, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
Nobody's criticising his strength and 100% commitment, which you need when playing as a target man holding the ball up etc. Pardew also praised his performance.
My judge of a top striker is, is he clinical in front of goal. A good example is how he does in a one against one dribbling towards a keeper. A good striker should score most times. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised if Rondon was able to put the ball in the net more than 2 times out of 10. 
Pardew also said players need to be a bit more calm in front of goal, but of course he might have had JayRod in mind from Saturday, to whom this should equally apply.
Of course under the previous managers' system, such scoring opportnities were extremly rare. .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 03, 2017, 07:10:26 PM
Nobody's criticising his strength and 100% commitment, which you need when playing as a target man holding the ball up etc. Pardew also praised his performance.
My judge of a top striker is, is he clinical in front of goal. A good example is how he does in a one against one dribbling towards a keeper. A good striker should score most times. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised if Rondon was able to put the ball in the net more than 2 times out of 10. 
Pardew also said players need to be a bit more calm in front of goal, but of course he might have had JayRod in mind from Saturday, to whom this should equally apply.
Of course under the previous managers' system, such scoring opportnities were extremly rare. .

I know Rondon's no Thierry Henry on the finishing scale, but I see this criticism a lot and I don't get it. In the time he's been here he can't have had more than 3 or 4 one on ones? It's not like he's wasting chances regularly, anything better than a half chance and he normally puts it away.

The problem we have is that Rondon is usually heavily involved in the build up but all of our most presentable chances have been falling to dross like HRK and McClean. We need creative players like Chadli, Phillips and Brunt back into the team so Rondon gets the service.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
I don't recollect Benteke being a good one on one finisher, he isnt that sort of CF, neither is Rondon, Even the King wasn't a player who regularly broke through in a one on one.

There are differing sorts of strikers and it is unfair to run Rondon down because he isn't a certain "type"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 03, 2017, 08:07:51 PM
No surprise to me really, used to urine me off that people were so critical of him when he had literally no support at times and three defenders to contend with, though you could see he had given up toward the end of the Pulis dictatorship, but who could blame him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on December 03, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
I don't recollect Benteke being a good one on one finisher, he isnt that sort of CF, neither is Rondon, Even the King wasn't a player who regularly broke through in a one on one.

There are differing sorts of strikers and it is unfair to run Rondon down because he isn't a certain "type"

It's about being calm in those sort of situations. I think Rondon snatches too much at his chances, maybe because they've being coming all too rarely. The best strikers don't panic in front of goal.

I agree some strikers get alot of their goals from headers, which Rondon has proved to be good at, or long range shots, and he has got a powerful if somewhat wayward strike.
But you will always get those situations in front of goal where a striker has to be cool and do the right thing, and I'm not sure he's the guy who can deliver on that.
Maybe however, that's something we have to accept for a club of our resources, that  Rondon is as good as it gets. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
It's about being calm in those sort of situations. I think Rondon snatches too much at his chances, maybe because they've being coming all too rarely. The best strikers don't panic in front of goal.

I agree some strikers get alot of their goals from headers, which Rondon has proved to be good at, or long range shots, and he has got a powerful if somewhat wayward strike.
But you will always get those situations in front of goal where a striker has to be cool and do the right thing, and I'm not sure he's the guy who can deliver on that.
Maybe however, that's something we have to accept for a club of our resources, that  Rondon is as good as it gets.


Nail on the head... Eventually.


If rondon leaves it will be back to a European Champions League lesser light, or to China for massive money. He is a very good player in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 04, 2017, 06:13:15 PM
Nobody's criticising his strength and 100% commitment, which you need when playing as a target man holding the ball up etc. Pardew also praised his performance.
My judge of a top striker is, is he clinical in front of goal. A good example is how he does in a one against one dribbling towards a keeper. A good striker should score most times. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised if Rondon was able to put the ball in the net more than 2 times out of 10. 
Pardew also said players need to be a bit more calm in front of goal, but of course he might have had JayRod in mind from Saturday, to whom this should equally apply.
Of course under the previous managers' system, such scoring opportnities were extremly rare. .

stats from ESPNFC.com

'14-'15 with Zenit: 39 shots, 23 on goal, 17 goals.
'13-'14 with Zenit/Rubin/Venezuela: 46/26/24.
'12-'13 with Rubin/Vzla: 34/20/13.

although in fairness I don't know how well kept those stats are, his numbers dating back to Malaga seem to be a bit different.

'11-'12 with Malaga/Vzla: 101/44/12.
'10-'11: 74/31/16.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 04, 2017, 07:30:30 PM
Not a natural goal scorer, average at best!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on December 04, 2017, 07:34:20 PM
Better than average. He's a good player at this level who just needed his confidence back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 05, 2017, 12:19:14 AM
Rondon's a very good player who's been starved of confidence, opportunities and support by a very poor attacking tactician for the last 2 years. He had a great run at one point where there was talk of him moving onto bigger clubs for a short while, these weren't lucky shots, he was putting them away regularly with some conviction and showing some real prowess. Although that was a streak of good form, I believe the Rondon is capable of a lot more than he's credited for.

I think he's not been giving it 100% for a while because he knows that he's going to get next to no support, and we're going to see a different Rondon over the coming months. Only time will tell, but I think he's a class act and we'd be silly to sell him on. Come the end of the season he'll be regarded as a very good player again by the fanbase.
Well if I've been slagging him off and it's not because he ain't very good it's because he hasn't been giving 100% (trying) then that's bloody worse I can forgive someone who isn't very good but tries but i wont can't and won't forgive someone for not giving 100% no matter what the reasons may be.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 05, 2017, 12:27:15 AM
Well if I've been slagging him off and it's not because he ain't very good it's because he hasn't been giving 100% (trying) then that's bloody worse I can forgive someone who isn't very good but tries but i wont can't and won't forgive someone for not giving 100% no matter what the reasons may be.

In theory i agree, but in reality i think i'd struggle running the channels for balls 30 foot over my head for 2 solid years and i love this club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2017, 02:36:20 PM
Well if I've been slagging him off and it's not because he ain't very good it's because he hasn't been giving 100% (trying) then that's bloody worse I can forgive someone who isn't very good but tries but i wont can't and won't forgive someone for not giving 100% no matter what the reasons may be.

You said Robson Kanu was a better player if I recall correctly...  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 02:41:47 PM
You said Robson Kanu was a better player if I recall correctly...  :-X


for me he was under pulis but Alan might play to Rondons strengths, the jury is now out good and proper
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on December 06, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
Already seeing a better player , he'll never be deadly but Rondons better than the majority of what we have seen here so far.
Play him in and he takes some knocking off the ball , 60 yard punts to his neck are no good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2017, 02:45:47 PM

for me he was under pulis but Alan might play to Rondons strengths, the jury is now out good and proper

59 said once he was our worst striker for 20 years or something

I'm sure he regrets those comments, maybe heat of the moment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 06, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
59 said once he was our worst striker for 20 years or something

I'm sure he regrets those comments, maybe heat of the moment.
I never regret anything i say, as ive said before i like is work rate but he is not and never will be a natural finisher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: section5 on December 06, 2017, 06:21:49 PM
I never regret anything i say, as ive said before i like is work rate but he is not and never will be a natural finisher.

Who would you say has been our most natural finisher you've seen in your time? In the 20 odd years I've watched the Albion I'd have to say ive not seen many natural finishers barring saido/odemwingie who I would put in that category lee hughes aswell he was very clinical.  You could argue super Bob in there who scored some crackers but I'd class him (like rondon) more of an old fashioned striker. Remember Andy Hunt scoring a good few goals for us, my first game i think he scored a hat trick against Grimsby but I probably couldn't comment on if he was a natural finisher or not. Goodman/Bull/Regis again wouldn't be able to comment.


Now what would be our worst every strikers?
Who I've seen:
De Freitas
Mickey Evans ?
James Quinn

Wow


Edit: my apologies sir Kevin for leaving you out the list
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
Who would you say has been our most natural finisher you've seen in your time? In the 20 odd years I've watched the Albion I'd have to say ive not seen many natural finishers barring saido/odemwingie who I would put in that category lee hughes aswell he was very clinical.  You could argue super Bob in there who scored some crackers but I'd class him (like rondon) more of an old fashioned striker. Remember Andy Hunt scoring a good few goals for us, my first game i think he scored a hat trick against Grimsby but I probably couldn't comment on if he was a natural finisher or not. Goodman/Bull/Regis again wouldn't be able to comment.


Now what would be our worst every strikers?
Who I've seen:
De Freitas
Mickey Evans ?
James Quinn

Wow
Phillips ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 06, 2017, 06:39:54 PM
Who would you say has been our most natural finisher you've seen in your time? In the 20 odd years I've watched the Albion I'd have to say ive not seen many natural finishers barring saido/odemwingie who I would put in that category lee hughes aswell he was very clinical.  You could argue super Bob in there who scored some crackers but I'd class him (like rondon) more of an old fashioned striker. Remember Andy Hunt scoring a good few goals for us, my first game i think he scored a hat trick against Grimsby but I probably couldn't comment on if he was a natural finisher or not. Goodman/Bull/Regis again wouldn't be able to comment.


Now what would be our worst every strikers?
Who I've seen:
De Freitas
Mickey Evans ?
James Quinn

Wow

Brighton.

I was escorted out by the police at 0-1 down and missed all of his goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on December 06, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
Phillips ?


Think I'd agree with that one Glos.

(except for the shot that hit the bar in the play-off final  :)  )
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on December 06, 2017, 07:17:08 PM
 Most natural finisher i've seen in a baggie shirt is Kevin Phillips with Tony Brown next.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on December 06, 2017, 07:17:48 PM
If we had kept SKP we may have stayed in the PL under Mowbray.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 06, 2017, 07:23:42 PM

Think I'd agree with that one Glos.

(except for the shot that hit the bar in the play-off final  :)  )
Yes and as KYA and Legend says.Also the young girl at Argos check out said to me (as I had a shirt on) "Who is going to score now we lost Phillips!?
That was a major blunder letting him go!
Rondon is a totally different striker of course. Ideally you need one of each type? A big man and a "Fox in the Box!"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: section5 on December 06, 2017, 07:54:49 PM
Phillips ?

Oops probably the best natural finisher we've ever had haha ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 06, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Tony Brown
Jeff Astle
Kevin Phillips
Cyril Regis
                  And i suppose even though i cant stand either of them Berahino and Odemwingie are in there :(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on December 06, 2017, 09:50:34 PM
And back to Rondon chaps...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 07, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
Brighton.

I was escorted out by the police at 0-1 down and missed all of his goals.

May I venture to ask why?  :D

Rondon has been better now the Cretaceous period has come to an end. (Compliance...)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on December 07, 2017, 12:16:26 PM
 I think he's a top front man who was told to play in a particular non scoring way by Pulis.
I think we will see a much more potent striker under Pardew.
He's already started his long range shots,he getting his eye in for the Swansea game!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 07, 2017, 12:51:22 PM
May I venture to ask why?  :D

Rondon has been better now the Cretaceous period has come to an end. (Compliance...)

No, it wasn't me  ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on December 07, 2017, 05:46:17 PM
He is now playing with a smile on his face and not 1st down the tunnel at the final whistle . Needs a goal and sure we will see the best of him . I hope .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 07, 2017, 05:58:04 PM
I'd love for him to become a proper Baggies legend
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 07, 2017, 06:54:19 PM
When asked today if he was looking to sign a striker in January, AP said: "I haven’t seen these players yet and I don’t know what they can offer. When you play a different way, which I do, some offensive players might get more joy so Rodriguez, Robson-Kanu, Phillips, Rondon, there’s enough talent there so let’s see if it comes through. If it comes through before January then I might not need anyone".

Any of our strikers could suddenly click with what's going to be a new style of play. For example, some are saying that Rodriguez is rubbish, but he scored 17 goals in 39 appearances for Southampton in the Premier League in 2013-14. Rondon himself scored 110 goals in 291 appearances before he joined us and has scored for Zenit St Petersburg (who are no mugs) in Europe, not to mention 19 goals in 66 appearances for Venezuela. No matter what some may so, he knows where the net is.

Pulis's "coaching" has inevitably not done any of our strikers any favours over the past 3 years, but AP's approach could well reignite a spark in one or more of them. Fingers crossed that he can.....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 14, 2017, 08:06:05 PM
Have to give praise where it's due, think London has massively improved since Megson and AP have been in charge. Seems to be working harder for the team, holding the ball up better and using his strength better, which is what I felt was lacking from a striker that isn't going to be scoring tonnes of goals.

He bullied Lovren most of the night yesterday and can see the improvement in his hold up play. Once we have a genuine number 10 playing I think we will hopefully see an efficient counter-attacking team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 18, 2017, 12:19:30 AM
He's going to need a day off in the upcoming 3-game week, he's running himself ragged
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 18, 2017, 08:06:17 AM
He still can't score any goals. He still doesn't work the opposition keeper. He also doesn't bother to run the channels to give the team an outball. He is one of the reasons were 19th.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on December 23, 2017, 11:21:16 AM
I’m beginning to doubt Rondon will click tbh. I’d love to see him with three or four players supporting him upfront or two wingers sipping in crosses with him attacking the 6 yard box but I can’t see it based on our squad/ injuries and I’m not sure he has it in him? He seems more a Shane long than anything else (good team player / good hold up play but won’t score enough).

Hope I’m proven wrong as he’s all we’ve got considering how poor JRod and HRK are.



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 23, 2017, 12:50:35 PM
It's been obvious for over a year that he's not good enough and it was plain to see in the summer that we were desperate for a quality striker, meanwhile our fans deluded themselves that stocking up on slow midfielders and defenders left us with the self appointed "best team ever". This season has been a car crash that has been looming for a while and Rondon just can't play any football. His touch is awful, his movement doesn't exist, he has no vision, he can't play and link off any midfielders who get near him, he struggles to stay on his feet for more thirty second without throwing himself over and he has no game IQ. He even seems to have lost the ability to head the ball which was his one and only redeeming feature.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 23, 2017, 01:13:29 PM
It's been obvious for over a year that he's not good enough and it was plain to see in the summer that we were desperate for a quality striker, meanwhile our fans deluded themselves that stocking up on slow midfielders and defenders left us with the self appointed "best team ever". This season has been a car crash that has been looming for a while and Rondon just can't play any football. His touch is awful, his movement doesn't exist, he has no vision, he can't play and link off any midfielders who get near him, he struggles to stay on his feet for more thirty second without throwing himself over and he has no game IQ. He even seems to have lost the ability to head the ball which was his one and only redeeming feature.
We brought in more forward players than defenders or midfielders in the summer but not the goalscorer we desperately needed.a number of fans rightly think it's the best team and why wouldn't they if it is in their opinion.I applaud anyone who saw this car crash coming after finishing 10th last season because I never did.as for rondon i think you've made it clear you don't rate him,it makes you wonder how he became a professional footballer with attributes he hasn't got.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 23, 2017, 03:32:10 PM
Just missed an open goal. Smashed it over the bar from point blank range. Stealing a living.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on December 23, 2017, 03:40:03 PM
Just missed an open goal. Smashed it over the bar from point blank range. Stealing a living.

Was offside but he wasn't to know.

Confidence is shot
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 23, 2017, 03:44:07 PM
He wasn't actually offside as it zouma who played the ball though to him, great spot by the linesman to keep his flag down. Shocking miss from an awful striker. Every excuse going has been pushed his way, all a load of rubbish. You don't need confidence to score from point blank range. It was harder to miss.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gavinrussell on December 23, 2017, 03:46:34 PM
He wasn't actually offside as it zouma who played the ball though to him, great spot by the linesman to keep his flag down. Shocking miss from an awful striker. Every excuse going has been pushed his way, all a load of rubbish. You don't need confidence to score from point blank range. It was harder to miss.
Spot on...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sconesy on December 23, 2017, 03:49:52 PM
Great save by Butland - BUT, Solomon, you seem to be a really top bloke and very likeable.....however I'm sorry but you're just not going to score the goals we need to stay up are you? Your confidence is low, I get that - but you DO NOT have the quality to finish that we need. For now on Alan, play our BEST (technical) players please and lets see what we can do!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on December 23, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Good effort with low shot, but I'm sorry, how many chances does he need, 5, 10, 20, 50???
And for those of you who don't think it's important for strikers to be calm and clinical in front of goal, have a little look at Stoke's No.10 for the second goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 23, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
The issue was he thought he was offside. Awful miss but mitigation right there. He's the least of our worries.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 23, 2017, 04:00:03 PM
He didn't think he was offside, that's complete garbage. He was trying to score and blazed it over. He didn't rush or stop or have a look the linesman. He had no idea about the linesman. His only thought was to shoot and it turned out appalling badly. There is no mitigation. Complete troll and tosh of a post Jacko.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 23, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
Excuse after excuse he is garbage, and doesn't deserve to be playing in the premiere league let alone be called a premiership striker, because he ain't!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 23, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
He's certainly capable but confidence is shot

I'd play a front 3 of Phillips chadli Burke
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on December 23, 2017, 04:04:46 PM
The issue was he thought he was offside. Awful miss but mitigation right there. He's the least of our worries.

We're the second worst scorers in the league, he's our main striker and you don't see him as a problem??
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 23, 2017, 04:11:56 PM
Still rubbish, 4 goals this season for our main striker, shocking.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on December 23, 2017, 05:20:45 PM
He isn't rubbish. His overall play lately has been excellent. If you look at his performance today purely from a finishing perspective which ignores everything else he had one bad miss, one strike that produced a great save, a goal and a long speculative effort which was easily saved. That's a pretty good performance. Compare to chupo moteng  or whatever his name Is, I remember him scoring a good goal which an earlier poster pointed out but also missed a free header inside the 6 yard box. By your measure did he have a pooh game also? Strikers miss chances which is why teams also pay fortunes for creative players. Rondon isnt the problem, the problem is much worse in the fact that we barely create any chances. But what do I know, stick HRK up front he'll do better.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 23, 2017, 05:24:45 PM
Played well today. Tested Butland and got his goal.  Strikers miss chances and you can't tell me it didn't go through his mind he was going to be flagged so just lashed it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on December 23, 2017, 05:50:01 PM
Still rubbish, 4 goals this season for our main striker, shocking.
Honestly there's no talking to some people. You do realise that we haven't scored many goals as a team don't you? I'm sick of seeing posts bashing Rondon so I'll give you a statistic that you can't possibly argue with:
At 3 goals Rondon has scored 21% of our total goals.
As a comparison Mo Salah on 15 goals has scored 36% of his team's goals. That's the leagues top scorer.
Aguero is next on 12 goals from 60 which is 20% of his team's goals.
Aside from Harry Kane who scores a much larger % of spurs goals, anything from 20-25% is standard for your main striker.
The problem isn't rondon it's the fact that we don't score or create enough full stop.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 23, 2017, 05:58:55 PM
Have to agree here. He's actually been playing well recently and looked a different player to the one under Pulis, suggesting with more chances he'll get more goals.

The more worrying statistic is the amount of goals we've scored and that's going to be the biggest issue this season, considering players such as Phillips, Chadli and Dawson scored the bulk of our goals last year and haven't featured enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 23, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
You do realise that we haven't scored many goals as a team don't you? ...The problem isn't rondon it's the fact that we don't score or create enough full stop.

Perhaps we'd score more goals if we had a striker worthy of the name and not a useless lump upfront.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on December 23, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
Still rubbish, 4 goals this season for our main striker, shocking.
You rate Pardew
You rate Robson Kanu
You rate Rodriguez
You don't rate Rondon
You don't rate Krychowiak
I disagree with these opinions. Just thought I'd point out that fact.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on December 23, 2017, 06:57:47 PM
Perhaps we'd score more goals if we had a striker worthy of the name and not a useless lump upfront.
he’s had a total of 30 shots this entire season so far, how many of those have been actual good chances created? He’s still managed 3 league goals and His conversion rate this season is better than Ronaldo’s, fact is we don’t create enough decent chances for any of our strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 23, 2017, 07:05:33 PM
Perhaps we'd score more goals if we had a striker worthy of the name and not a useless lump upfront.
Perhaps if we had such a player we'd play him but we dont,the fact is we are playing Rondon because we don't have anyone else.so who do you suggest we play this role considering that HRK and Rodriguez are both as bad?you can only use what players are available,I would drop Nyom because he's been awful but there's no-one else available.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: andibaggy on December 26, 2017, 05:13:44 PM
Lost a few days of my life watching that clown.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on December 26, 2017, 05:16:30 PM
He is still our best striker unfortunately, even he missed golden chances again.
Because J-Rod and HRK are even worse than him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 05:18:28 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.


A quick reminder from page one of the thread by a very sensible astute poster.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on December 26, 2017, 05:20:07 PM

A quick reminder from page one of the thread by a very sensible astute poster.
I often go back to that post and think what the hell has happened to the player I used to watch elsewhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on December 26, 2017, 05:20:30 PM

A quick reminder from page one of the thread by a very sensible astute poster.

He's had a couple of seasons where he has had goal scoring coached out of him I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 26, 2017, 05:21:12 PM
I often go back to that post and think what the hell has happened to the player I used to watch elsewhere.

Tony broke him, I can't find another explanation
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 05:21:35 PM
Lost a few days of my life watching that clown.


I wouldn't exactly call him a clown , just not a premeir league footballer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 26, 2017, 05:28:00 PM
If it wasn't so serious it would be a joke, to call him a striker is an absolute joke, bloody awful again, the one in the first half he should be ashamed the one in the second half was so bad I felt embarrassed for him because that's what it was embarrassing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on December 26, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
Tony broke him, I can't find another explanation

I just don't think he's *that* good.  He's not been prolific for us at all, he's always fluffed a lot of chances. The pressure is on because of our run so when we have games like the last two where he's missing gilt edged chances and then we drop points it looks worse.

The REALLY terrifying thing is that he's the best of our current lot. 

We're not big spenders - especially not in January so I'd keep the 3 we have and add a proper first choice to them.  No point getting rid of Rondon to end up relying on HRK or J-Rod and I can't see us getting rid of 2 and getting 2 new ones in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan87uk on December 26, 2017, 05:35:29 PM
All of these comments for the moment are irrelevant. He's pulled his hammy anyway by the look of it and won't be playing for a while.

Noticing the lack of criticism on the forum for the equally poor JRod and HRK who are also supposedly "Strikers".

We do desperately need a new striker in the window, but as mentioned before, we're close to our ceiling with FFP and we'll need to ship people out first, hopefully Tone will take some of our players off us to Boro or something to free up the wages.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: andibaggy on December 26, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
All of these comments for the moment are irrelevant. He's pulled his hammy anyway by the look of it and won't be playing for a while.

Noticing the lack of criticism on the forum for the equally poor JRod and HRK who are also supposedly "Strikers".

We do desperately need a new striker in the window, but as mentioned before, we're close to our ceiling with FFP and we'll need to ship people out first, hopefully Tone will take some of our players off us to Boro or something to free up the wages.

Hard to be hard on HRK, he was on a free, cost nothing and we have little expectation of him, we knew he was poor when we signed him, Rodriguez has a track record of being pony, had one season in the prem with 15 goals surrounded by a decent bunch at Southampton but hasn't done much since to make us think he's an out and out forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2017, 06:39:34 PM
We had little expectation of him when we signed, but we didn’t then have to go and extend his contract!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 26, 2017, 06:58:32 PM
Blame the club for their failure to get the required resources - its not Rondon's fault if he's not good enough but it gives some both inside and outside the ground the opportunity to continue kicking the player when his confidence is shot.

The guilt edged chance was missed by Dawson but I don't and have not seen the public slaughtering that Rondon receives.

Furthermore, those sarcastically cheering his subsitution must have been delighted to have seen HRK who is far worse, will never score the goals Rondon has in this division, never be as effective as Rondon, come onto the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: matt_wba912 on December 26, 2017, 06:59:16 PM
Still the best striker at the club by some considerable distance and that really sums up our issues at the moment.  Instead of adding yet more defensive midfielders over the summer we should have thrown all our energy into getting some proper competition for Rondon, as it is now he just looks lost and completely lacking in confidence
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on December 26, 2017, 07:02:38 PM
I actually think if he didn't get injured we would have scored, not necessarily with Rondon as the scorer but we looked more dangerous with him than without.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 26, 2017, 07:14:48 PM
Some of you really can't see how bad he really is, I can't understand the love in some of you have for him, he is utter rubbish. It's no ones fault but his that he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2017, 07:19:28 PM
Some of you really can't see how bad he really is, I can't understand the love in some of you have for him, he is utter rubbish. It's no ones fault but his that he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

He’s the best forward ar the club.

Clearly we need to bring in a proven goalscorer if we are to have any chance of survival, Robson Kanu and Rodriguez are not the answer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
As you keep saying all about opinions... like United being the best team in the league  ;) . We can't all be right fella  ;D  Rondon is a good striker who hopefully Pardew can get a tune out of. I'd urge everyone to re-read the first few pages of this thread from August 2015.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 26, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
I see he's getting all the blame again from the usual suspects, obviously they only pay attention to the one miss and ignore the whole flow of the game.

By far the best striker at the club, massive blow for us with him getting injured. The issue we've had is getting some quality playing off him, that's why Chadli going off at Stoke was so gutting. If we only bring one player in next month, it has to be a quality secondary striker, someone in the Giovinco mould would be perfect playing off Salomon. Just hope he's not out too long.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boot2006 on December 26, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
Really should have put at least one away today.  Maybe his confidence is low.  Looking at the attacking options on the bench today it was depressing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 26, 2017, 07:47:20 PM
I see he's getting all the blame again from the usual suspects, obviously they only pay attention to the one miss and ignore the whole flow of the game... The issue we've had is getting some quality playing off him

The issue we have is we are not scoring any goals, which is what Rondon is paid to do and fails to deliver on. He had two fantastic chances today which he should have scored from which has cost us two points. Just like he should have levelled at Stoke and blazed it over. We lack a striker worthy of the name and it's sending us down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on December 26, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
The issue we have is we are not scoring any goals, which is what Rondon is paid to do and fails to deliver on. He had two fantastic chances today which he should have scored from which has cost us two points. Just like he should have levelled at Stoke and blazed it over. We lack a striker worthy of the name and it's sending us down.

You don't think the Brunt/Phillips free kick was just as culpable then?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 26, 2017, 08:00:04 PM
The issue we have is we are not scoring any goals, which is what Rondon is paid to do and fails to deliver on. He had two fantastic chances today which he should have scored from which has cost us two points. Just like he should have levelled at Stoke and blazed it over. We lack a striker worthy of the name and it's sending us down.

We're starting Jake Livermore on a weekly basis and have been regurlary playing McClean and Robson-Kanu. Rondon is the very least of our worries. What we needed to do was supplement him with quality players, but we spent the best part of £30m on Rodriguez (not what we needed) and Burke (confusingly dropped from the squad).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on December 26, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
We're starting Jake Livermore on a weekly basis and have been regurlary playing McClean and Robson-Kanu. Rondon is the very least of our worries. What we needed to do was supplement him with quality players, but we spent the best part of £30m on Rodriguez (not what we needed) and Burke (confusingly dropped from the squad).

I realise we're straying from the topic, but I have to say the Burke signing was very puzzling. Not saying he's not a good prospect, but I'm think the transfer fee could have been better spent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 26, 2017, 08:22:17 PM
I realise we're straying from the topic, but I have to say the Burke signing was very puzzling. Not saying he's not a good prospect, but I'm think the transfer fee could have been better spent.

Tony Pulis' transfer policy was very puzzling, generally signed better than what we had but either in positions where we were already well-stocked or with no intention to start them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 26, 2017, 08:22:53 PM
You don't think the Brunt/Phillips free kick was just as culpable then?

No obviously not. The free kick was awful but it's still only a half chance to beat the keeper from outside the box.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
I've supported Rondon but it's getting to a point where it's pointless,he's the main striker at the club and that's why he gets picked ahead of the other two but his composure in front of goal is woeful,the chance where he pulled his hamstring for instance was just a hack with no direction at all.very much doubt if he would ever get 10+ goals in a season but neither will the other two.We just happen to have 3 very poor goal scorers at the club all at the same time which the blame lies with the last manager because it was an area that should have been rectified last summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on December 26, 2017, 08:55:48 PM
I see he's getting all the blame again from the usual suspects, obviously they only pay attention to the one miss and ignore the whole flow of the game.

By far the best striker at the club, massive blow for us with him getting injured. The issue we've had is getting some quality playing off him, that's why Chadli going off at Stoke was so gutting. If we only bring one player in next month, it has to be a quality secondary striker, someone in the Giovinco mould would be perfect playing off Salomon. Just hope he's not out too long.

Funny how we all see things differently for me the lad is totally out of his depth . We pay him to score goals and help with the creation of chances for colleagues . Work rate should be a given for any footballer but I could have gone and fetched anyone of my mates from DK Running Club or Tipton Harriers to do what he did today and they would probably have made a better fist of those chances . I didn't like what I saw today and several people burst out laughing when he got injured it all looked so fake .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2017, 09:03:33 PM
We've had 34 shots and 21 corners in our last two matches but scored once.compare these figures to ones under Pulls and its a step in the right direction,just need to start taking chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 26, 2017, 09:23:36 PM
I see he's getting all the blame again from the usual suspects, obviously they only pay attention to the one miss and ignore the whole flow of the game.

By far the best striker at the club, massive blow for us with him getting injured. The issue we've had is getting some quality playing off him, that's why Chadli going off at Stoke was so gutting. If we only bring one player in next month, it has to be a quality secondary striker, someone in the Giovinco mould would be perfect playing off Salomon. Just hope he's not out too long.
Not only one miss though is it? And it's not going to be a big blow for us he doesn't score anyway!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 26, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
Not only one miss though is it? And it's not going to be a big blow for us he doesn't score anyway!


Quite possibly a blessing in disguise Keith
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2017, 09:26:25 PM
Not only one miss though is it? And it's not going to be a big blow for us he doesn't score anyway!

I guess it gives us an opportunity to start the quality and prolific goal scorer that is Robson-Kanu
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 09:37:44 PM
I guess it gives us an opportunity to start the quality and prolific goal scorer that is Robson-Kanu


Utterly despair. Seriously.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on December 26, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
I guess it gives us an opportunity to start the quality and prolific goal scorer that is Robson-Kanu

That just underlines the lack of quality we have in the forwards department. But the main criticism has to be for Rondon because he's our main striker, starting every match in the No.9 furthest man forward role.  He hasn't got enough compusure in front of goal. He snatches at chances as if he's in a panic. The best strikers stay composed in those situations. You can say he's unlucky, but good strikers think clever, anticipate alot better. His main qualities are his hold up play as a target man, and his heading. I'm not dismissing the importance of such qualities, but we should expect more. We've had other decent target men like M-A Fortune and even Anichebe, but they didn't cost as much and had other forwards alongside them who scored more regularly.
This transfer window the No.1 priority has to be a striker who knows how to put the ball in the net.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 26, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
We've only ever had one top class premiership striker in my eyes that was Odemwingie.the list of dross strikers for the years we've had in the top flight shows how poor we recruit,yes they cost lots of money but to keep bringing in cheap inadequate players or ones who've had few games for 12 months is a false economy where your paying top wages for no return.didn't we refuse Kevin Phillips a 2yr contract but now have J Rod and HRK on better contracts.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on December 26, 2017, 10:02:40 PM
We've only ever had one top class premiership striker in my eyes that was Odemwingie.the list of dross strikers for the years we've had in the top flight shows how poor we recruit,yes they cost lots of money but to keep bringing in cheap inadequate players or ones who've had few games for 12 months is a false economy where your paying top wages for no return.didn't we refuse Kevin Phillips a 2yr contract but now have J Rod and HRK on better contracts.
totally agree mate, paul williams was better than the dross we have got now and he was utter tripe.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on December 26, 2017, 10:12:37 PM
Another golden chance missed at a game-changing time - an early goal would have seen us comfortably take three points.

It's not his fault that our options are so poor (particularly Rodriguez who is beyond awful), but he misses so many great chances at game-changing times that he has become a complete liability. I'd rather see Phillips lead the line instead of all three "strikers" in our squad if I'm honest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on December 26, 2017, 10:20:15 PM
Another golden chance missed at a game-changing time - an early goal would have seen us comfortably take three points.

It's not his fault that our options are so poor (particularly Rodriguez who is beyond awful), but he misses so many great chances at game-changing times that he has become a complete liability. I'd rather see Phillips lead the line instead of all three "strikers" in our squad if I'm honest.
forwards are shyte and we need new strikers asap two at least, id let rodriguez go out on loan to Championship league with few to sell. hrk can sod off back to reading
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 26, 2017, 10:20:21 PM
He's not a bad player, the time under Pullis and current confidence has had an effect, I'd also assume that when he looks around on the training pitch and sees Fat HRK and slick rick , he know he's a starter regardless.
Sarcastic cheering won't help, right now even though it's difficult you bite ya tongue and you vent at the end..

The biggest concern is how we have bombed field/Burke for no apparent reason, we need a striker desperately in January, a proper one , one that can actually score and Rondon,McLean,Rodrigues ,Livermore all need to come out of that team ..

Pulis is culpable, but Pardew has had long enough to see what we can see now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on December 26, 2017, 10:52:17 PM

Utterly despair. Seriously.

I was being sarcastic
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2017, 11:01:36 PM
I was being sarcastic


I know I was agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 27, 2017, 10:47:15 AM
So, Rondon is rubbish.  ::)

List of current Premier League goal scorers attached:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

Not sure any on that list are obtainable. Rondon is two goals away from featuring on the list and this is based on playing in a Pulis side that creates no (few) chances for forwards. If he hadn't got injured, I'd be expecting a change of fortune and our new coach playing to his strengths rather than fitting him into our style.

Let him play and he will score goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 27, 2017, 11:19:02 AM

Utterly despair. Seriously.

For one so versed in the arts of Irony and Satire, how can you not see this for what it is ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 27, 2017, 02:38:22 PM
Was making this point the whole of last season and this one. Was told when we create more chances and get more support to him we'll see the real Rondon. I'm afraid we have been seeing the real one recently, he's just not good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 27, 2017, 02:51:09 PM
I'm still furious with him. Those chances he has missed at Stoke and yesterday at key points in both matches have cost us dearly. We've had the luxury of playing two weak teams and managed one goal and one point when we should have had at least a draw and a win. Relegation beckons with this useless lump upfront.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on December 27, 2017, 02:54:58 PM
Not sure if anyone has said this but he injured himself because of how bad he is.

He didn't call the ball properly and as a result, pulled his hamstring cause he kicked more air than ball.

Come on guys, he's been here long enough, he's not good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on December 27, 2017, 02:56:42 PM
So, Rondon is rubbish.  ::)

List of current Premier League goal scorers attached:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

Not sure any on that list are obtainable. Rondon is two goals away from featuring on the list and this is based on playing in a Pulis side that creates no (few) chances for forwards. If he hadn't got injured, I'd be expecting a change of fortune and our new coach playing to his strengths rather than fitting him into our style.

Let him play and he will score goals.

There's not enough games left to put your theory to the test
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 27, 2017, 06:05:13 PM
There's not enough games left to put your theory to the test
Maybe.

And the person who is going to come in and replace him immediately fitting into the team and scoring goals is......?

I've always said no player is irreplaceable but I  just struggle to see where this free scoring striker that is better than Rondon and is both affordable and willing to come to the Albion is. I suspect there will be a significant number of dissapointed Albion fans if they believe it is going to happen.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 27, 2017, 06:22:24 PM
He averages a goal every six matches this season which is hardly free scoring. He's the best we've got of a bad bunch.
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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 27, 2017, 06:24:24 PM
I  just struggle to see where this free scoring striker that is better than Rondon and is both affordable and willing to come to the Albion is. I suspect there will be a significant number of dissapointed Albion fans if they believe it is going to happen.

This season he has scored 3 goals in 19 starts and 4 substitute appearances. Last season he managed 8 goals including just one from December onwards. Literally anybody else is worth a go. You don't get worst than that. Gary Jacob in today's times writes:

"While Harry Kane was breaking the record for goals in a calendar year, Salomón Rondón was intent on furnishing his collection of awful misses over the same time. The West Bromwich Albion striker squandered two chances from close range and it is not hard to see why his side are the second-lowest scorers in the top flight and in desperate need of a new striker when the transfer window opens."

The journalist is spot on. How Rondon's awfulness is even a debate speaks volumes of the mindset of some, open your eyes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 27, 2017, 06:31:02 PM
This season he has scored 3 goals in 19 starts and 4 substitute appearances. Last season he managed 8 goals including just one from December onwards. Literally anybody else is worth a go. You don't get worst than that. Gary Jacob in today's times writes:

"While Harry Kane was breaking the record for goals in a calendar year, Salomón Rondón was intent on furnishing his collection of awful misses over the same time. The West Bromwich Albion striker squandered two chances from close range and it is not hard to see why his side are the second-lowest scorers in the top flight and in desperate need of a new striker when the transfer window opens."

The journalist is spot on. How Rondon's awfulness is even a debate speaks volumes of the mindset of some, open your eyes.

Pretty much any team would take Harry Kane over their own striker at the moment. It smaks of lazy journalism to me has he skips the fact Pulis has history as the worst attacking coach in the premier league.

What's your point, Rondon is responsible for not being Harry Kane and Pulis's tactics?

I would love a 15+ goal a striker to replace him but we won't spend the money. He is by far the best striker at our club even with his recent misses.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on December 27, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
Pretty much any team would take Harry Kane over their own striker at the moment. It smaks of lazy journalism to me has he skips the fact Pulis has history as the worst attacking coach in the premier league.

What's your point, Rondon is responsible for not being Harry Kane and Pulis's tactics?

I would love a 15+ goal a striker to replace him but we won't spend the money. He is by far the best striker at our club even with his recent misses.

His point isn't anything to do with Kane but everything to do with Rondon. 

Rondon has chances, chances that any half decent striker should put away and his misses them.

This isn't anything to do with Pulis' tactics, just look at the last few games - these are chances that some of us would have scored ffs.  I'd be happy with a 10 goal a season striker at the moment.

I agree with you that he's the best we've got at the moment though - that tells you everything. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 27, 2017, 06:46:41 PM
Was making this point the whole of last season and this one. Was told when we create more chances and get more support to him we'll see the real Rondon. I'm afraid we have been seeing the real one recently, he's just not good enough.

yes regardless of Rondon's track record before coming here the fact of the matter is this stretch right now is the time for him to show what he's capable of and unfortunately he's not performing up to the task. Don't get me wrong, he's the best we have, the effort is there, and as shown yesterday again no other striker on the roster can even match his level of performance (limited in goals as it may be), but as others have pointed out he's the big ticket, he has the 9 on his back, and when clear-cut chances come he needs to be putting them away. He HAS TO score on the sitter against Stoke, he HAS to score on that early chance against Everton (I give him a pass on the second half since he might have gotten injured in the process of shooting), those are game-changing moments. I know he's capable of actually converting those chances but the fact is he didn't and that's what he's being judged on.

Since TP left Rondon's performances have improved tremendously - this season he has scored as many times without TP as he did with the negative man in charge. Some of those games, Liverpool for example, he was HUGE regardless of not really having goal opportunities. Usually I would get worked up about this thread having no activity after those games vs people quickly bringing up this thread to kill the man whenever he misses a chance but the criticism right now is warranted.

It's mostly on him, but this club has failed him too. Not having other strikers on the roster that can take the load off him definitely hurts. I mentioned about a week ago he'd need a break soon but AP knows he has no other forward that can affect the game that way Rondon does so he trots out #9 every time and now he's injured. I do hope a legit striker gets added to the roster this winter, be it to rotate with him or play alongside him. Without a CAM the formation needs to be a 4-4-2.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 27, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
What's your point, Rondon is responsible for not being Harry Kane and Pulis's tactics?

Jesus this is hard work. The self evident point is that Rondon is useless and his failure to convert guilt edged chances is taking us down to the championship. Hence we need to replace him asap.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 27, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
Since Pardew has taken over Rondon has:
-Failed to register against Palace, few half-chances, nothing of note.
-Missed a sitter at Swansea (free header, six yards out, over the bar) whilst we were losing 1-0 which cost us a point.
-Missed from point blank range at Stoke whilst under no pressure which would have got us back level.
-Missed two great chances yesterday against Everton.

I've not included the games against Liverpool or Utd as he didn't have much of a kick and the team was set-up to get bodies behind the ball.  Those big misses at big times in key games have cost us 5 points, which would have put us 13th.  We're 19th and have scored 14 in 20 games. We have to improve on Rondon or were not going to be in this league next season.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 27, 2017, 07:04:05 PM
Jesus this is hard work. The self evident point is that Rondon is useless and his failure to convert guilt edged chances is taking us down to the championship. Hence we need to replace him asap.

tell me about some people think 15+ goal scores grow on trees and would want to play for us. Even when Rondon is not scoring he brings so much more to the table. He is hands down the best target man we have had since Lukaku.

Yes he needs to find form in front of the goal but I would look to replace the other two strikers before Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 27, 2017, 07:35:08 PM
Since Pardew has taken over Rondon has:
-Failed to register against Palace, few half-chances, nothing of note.
-Missed a sitter at Swansea (free header, six yards out, over the bar) whilst we were losing 1-0 which cost us a point.
-Missed from point blank range at Stoke whilst under no pressure which would have got us back level.
-Missed two great chances yesterday against Everton.

I've not included the games against Liverpool or Utd as he didn't have much of a kick and the team was set-up to get bodies behind the ball.  Those big misses at big times in key games have cost us 5 points, which would have put us 13th.  We're 19th and have scored 14 in 20 games. We have to improve on Rondon or were not going to be in this league next season.

I agree he should have scored on that one too but putting that L on Rondon is pure ignorance. Are we just going to ignore the counter he started off a Swansea corner, giving HRK a 4 on 2 that he ended up crossing way past everyone?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on December 27, 2017, 07:35:24 PM
tell me about some people think 15+ goal scores grow on trees and would want to play for us. Even when Rondon is not scoring he brings so much more to the table. He is hands down the best target man we have had since Lukaku.

Yes he needs to find form in front of the goal but I would look to replace the other two strikers before Rondon.

I think I made this point about last time this season. I don't think many people.are arguing we should replace Rondon before Robson-kanu.

BUT we need a first choice striker to push Rondon down to second choice and Robson-kanu to third.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 27, 2017, 07:44:43 PM
He may be the best we have but that's not a very high bar, it's a bit like would you rather drink off milk, paraffin or dog piddle.

We need to buy and at the start of the window, we also are not looking for a "15 goal a season striker" one that gets 8-10 and can control a ball would be magic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 27, 2017, 08:17:42 PM
He's certainly got more supporters on here than most social media sites, been a keyboard junkie today
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 27, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
He's certainly got more supporters on here than most social media sites, been a keyboard junkie today

I have no idea what is going on with some of our supporters at the moment. I have read comments where supporters are happy that our own players are getting injured. Someone at the ground was convinced Rondon was faking his injury as an excuse for his miss.  :-\
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 27, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
He may be the best we have but that's not a very high bar, it's a bit like would you rather drink off milk, paraffin or dog piddle.

We need to buy and at the start of the window, we also are not looking for a "15 goal a season striker" one that gets 8-10 and can control a ball would be magic.

Rondon got 9 and 8 in his last two seasons.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 27, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
It would help if other players chipped in with a few goals,because atm all eyes are on one man and its creating more pressure for Rondon.21 corners in our last two matches would normally produce something but for one reason or another we are not getting on the end of them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 27, 2017, 11:18:02 PM
Rondon got 9 and 8 in his last two seasons.
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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on December 28, 2017, 01:24:33 AM
Some of you really can't see how bad he really is, I can't understand the love in some of you have for him, he is utter rubbish. It's no ones fault but his that he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.

We will not replace 3 forwards in one window so out of the three we have just say Mr Lia grants us two in if two go out, which two would be your outs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 28, 2017, 02:41:55 AM
Yes and in 1981 villa ran the universe

You literally said you wanted a striker that could get 8-10 goal in a season and I pointed out that we clearly have one.

There's no such thing as a 15 goal a season striker outside the top 6 this season, and looking at the state of some of the suggestions on the transfer thread I don't think many of our fans realise how good a player it takes to score those sort of numbers. Rooney or Vardy might scrape it, nobody else.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on December 28, 2017, 06:53:43 AM
Blame who you like Pulis? Pardew?
Did either manager tell him to miss the sitters he has over the course of this season.
He should be pushing Kane for the Golden Boot not polishing the fikin thing.
I think I'd be open to any suggestion of an alternative striker, surely nobody could be that rubbish, though HRK and Jay seem to be pushing him for the title
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 28, 2017, 07:45:34 AM
I wanted him to come good once the dinosaur was gone and we stopped lobbing balls at his neck from a great height and started passing the ball to him, in front of him and in the channels where he could use his strength.
Sadly it looks as if he may not be up to it or the caped one drilled his natural scoring instincts out of him, a shame but needs must at this time
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on December 28, 2017, 08:28:27 AM
It would help if other players chipped in with a few goals,because atm all eyes are on one man and its creating more pressure for Rondon.21 corners in our last two matches would normally produce something but for one reason or another we are not getting on the end of them.

I agree with this, we should be scoring goals all over the pitch
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 28, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
It would help if other players chipped in with a few goals,because atm all eyes are on one man and its creating more pressure for Rondon.21 corners in our last two matches would normally produce something but for one reason or another we are not getting on the end of them.

We stopped converting set piece chances under Pulis when two of our top scorers (Dawson and Mculay) were out of the team. Without Brunts magic left foot or Phillips either to make great deliveries into the box. You could argue that's another reason why Pulis looked clueless with out those 4.

I'M convinced Rondon will come good and still bag us at least 10 goals this season we need others to contribute as well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
We stopped converting set piece chances under Pulis when two of our top scorers (Dawson and Mculay) were out of the team. Without Brunts magic left foot or Phillips either to make great deliveries into the box. You could argue that's another reason why Pulis looked clueless with out those 4.

I'M convinced Rondon will come good and still bag us at least 10 goals this season we need others to contribute as well.

Agreed. Pulis shot himself in the foot by not playing the best set piece players we have when they were fit. Brunt, Chadli and Phillips were all dropped at the start of the season which killed our set piece capability.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on December 28, 2017, 10:08:29 AM
I have no idea what is going on with some of our supporters at the moment. I have read comments where supporters are happy that our own players are getting injured. Someone at the ground was convinced Rondon was faking his injury as an excuse for his miss.  :-\

There wasn't just one person there were several in fact quite a number of people by me burst out laughing . Both misses are cringeworthy even those of us who saw the Ron Saunders relegation team weren't treated to misses like that .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 28, 2017, 11:28:39 AM
You literally said you wanted a striker that could get 8-10 goal in a season and I pointed out that we clearly have one.

Rondon stopped scoring goals in December 2016. Suppose your microwave worked everyday for two years and then stopped working in December 2016. You've been patient but it's December 2017 and those ready meals won't cook themselves. Even worse the microwave has started making some right dodgy noises and bangs of late. Do you plough on in the hope that the microwave will be back to form soon or do you buy yourself a new one?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on December 28, 2017, 01:16:06 PM
Rondon really is Mr Untouchable for some reason. I bet If some of our fans found him in bed with their girlfriend or burgling their houses it would be somebody else’s fault.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 28, 2017, 02:13:38 PM
Rondon really is Mr Untouchable for some reason. I bet If some of our fans found him in bed with their girlfriend or burgling their houses it would be somebody else’s fault.

Not at all, I just think people comparing one of our all time highest Premier League goalscorers with some of the worst players we have ever had is a bit over the top.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 28, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Rondon stopped scoring goals in December 2016. Suppose your microwave worked everyday for two years and then stopped working in December 2016. You've been patient but it's December 2017 and those ready meals won't cook themselves. Even worse the microwave has started making some right dodgy noises and bangs of late. Do you plough on in the hope that the microwave will be back to form soon or do you buy yourself a new one?

Depends whether you only try to use your microwave 38 times a year with the expectation it will work 10 or so of those times. And considering it worked only last week I'd probably keep it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on December 28, 2017, 02:49:08 PM
Rondon really is Mr Untouchable for some reason. I bet If some of our fans found him in bed with their girlfriend or burgling their houses it would be somebody else’s fault.

I bet he still wouldn't score
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on December 28, 2017, 03:14:28 PM
I bet he still wouldn't score

bravo!  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 28, 2017, 04:18:11 PM
I bet he still wouldn't score

well done sir.  :D

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 28, 2017, 06:10:24 PM
Depends whether you only try to use your microwave 38 times a year with the expectation it will work 10 or so of those times. And considering it worked only last week I'd probably keep it.

If by worked you mean that shambles of a performance at Stoke then I can't agree with you. Can I remind you he missed a sitter first half to level at a critical point in the game and had numerous opportunities second half.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on December 28, 2017, 08:22:54 PM
he`s our best striker who does score enough and thats our problem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 28, 2017, 08:36:11 PM
he`s our best striker who does score enough and thats our problem.
This is confusing?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 28, 2017, 10:38:59 PM
Not really, clearly a typo somewhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 29, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
Wm phone in says Rondon may be available for sunday, not what I thought Pardew reported earlier
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 29, 2017, 07:26:56 PM
Wm phone in says Rondon may be available for sunday, not what I thought Pardew reported earlier

Pardew says that Rondon is a doubt for the next 2 games but he should be back after that.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/december/pardew-confirms-chadli-absence/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 29, 2017, 10:19:08 PM
Really curious about how Pardew will handle the XI with Rondon out. I don't know that either J or HRK can handle the lone man role without there being a true CAM, they're better off going together in a 2-man front but that leaves the bench without a striker unless Burke gets used in that role
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wardy65 on December 29, 2017, 10:38:03 PM
The one and only game we've won at home this season was when we played Rodriguez up front on his own. Bournemouth on the first day of the season, & he played a blinder. Rondon came on as a sub near the end if memory serves me right.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on December 30, 2017, 04:58:32 PM
The one and only game we've won at home this season was when we played Rodriguez up front on his own. Bournemouth on the first day of the season, & he played a blinder. Rondon came on as a sub near the end if memory serves me right.

20th in the table now thanks to this idiots misses against Swansea, Stoke and Everton. But still he runs around a lot so counts for something right?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2017, 04:59:57 PM
20th in the table now thanks to this idiots misses against Swansea, Stoke and Everton. But still he runs around a lot so counts for something right?
Its far from Rondon to blame alone for the mess we are in , only part of the issue.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2017, 05:00:13 PM
I admit he's not had the best support but he ain't no premier league footballer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on January 01, 2018, 03:11:50 PM
Its far from Rondon to blame alone for the mess we are in , only part of the issue.

Agree with this.  Last time I looked we were top 2-3 in the league for throwing points away from winning positions this season.  For a team that prides itself on being organised and defending something has gone wrong there too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 01, 2018, 03:42:25 PM
Agree with this.  Last time I looked we were top 2-3 in the league for throwing points away from winning positions this season.  For a team that prides itself on being organised and defending something has gone wrong there too.

Played 21 scored 15. Goals are the problem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 01, 2018, 04:55:54 PM
Played 21 scored 15. Goals are the problem.
Played 21 conceded 28 trumps your stat methinks?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on January 01, 2018, 05:12:03 PM
Played 21 conceded 28 trumps your stat methinks?

Don't think it does Frank, 11 teams in the Prem have conceded more than us, only Swansea have scored less.
We do need to score more, but I don't think it's entirely down to Salomon Rondon that we haven't, l'll stand by my own argument the we need to get goals all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 01, 2018, 10:05:36 PM
Don't think it does Frank, 11 teams in the Prem have conceded more than us, only Swansea have scored less.
We do need to score more, but I don't think it's entirely down to Salomon Rondon that we haven't, l'll stand by my own argument the we need to get goals all over the pitch.

We do need to score more goals from all over the pitch, but that doesn't let Rondon off the hook. He is our regular No. 9, the furthest man forward, and scoring is his main responsibility. Even if he does a job holding possession and bringing others into play,  its not enough for a No.9. We've had the same problem with other No.9's like M-A Fortune and Anichebe, although they had help in goalscoring from the likes of Kevin Phillips and Odemwingie.
 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on January 02, 2018, 05:09:04 PM
I'm a fan of the big man but I can't defend his lake of scoring especially of late (can only put it down to lack of conference) were he should have put the ball in the net. Another forward is a must but I would still keep the big man & move RHK on. I still think there's premiership forward within him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2018, 07:14:23 PM
Big game for him tonight
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2018, 07:16:54 PM
It's a massive boost to have him back 3 times the player Kanu is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2018, 07:18:19 PM
It's a massive boost to have him back 3 times the player Kanu is.

No doubt. We've looked toothless up front the last game and a half. Does beg the question of who signed off the decision to go into the season with 2 recognised strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on January 02, 2018, 07:22:03 PM
Prove me wrong tonight big man and grab us a winning goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on January 02, 2018, 07:35:06 PM
Big boost for us to have him back. Feel more confident about tonight now. Field, Brunt and Burke as substitutes may make the difference.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2018, 07:41:01 PM
Big boost for us to have him back. Feel more confident about tonight now. Field, Brunt and Burke as substitutes may make the difference.

Well, one of them might.

I would edge my bets that neither Field or Burke will feature with Livermore and HRK available
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 02, 2018, 08:08:54 PM
No doubt. We've looked toothless up front the last game and a half. Does beg the question of who signed off the decision to go into the season with 2 recognised strikers.
No we haven't looked better without him new years day, he's already missed one again tonight, useless
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2018, 08:09:53 PM
No we haven't looked better without him new years day, he's already missed one again tonight, useless


Garbage mate. We never looked like scoring in the 130 minutes he didn't play over last two games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 02, 2018, 09:50:57 PM
an outstanding (even if goalless) performance by him wasted tonight
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 02, 2018, 09:56:47 PM
an outstanding (even if goalless) performance by him wasted tonight

Outstanding is ludicrously over the top. I thought he played well in parts, much better than usual with the ball at his feet, impressed with his through ball to Burke. But he also looked very static at times, no real attempt to find any space. But he's been horrendous for a long time and overall that was a good performance so I'll give him some credit. The corners and crossing from J-Rod & McClean were woeful which didn't help.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: maccbaggie on January 02, 2018, 09:58:38 PM
Excellent today.

Need Chadli fit (or a January buy) to create something for him.

With Phillips and Brunt injured and rested today there was little creativity.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boingboing1989 on January 02, 2018, 09:59:06 PM
Best game for Sol this season, just a shame no one there to help him out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on January 02, 2018, 10:00:36 PM
Quality tonight, should of added a assist with the ball through for Burke.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on January 02, 2018, 10:01:10 PM
Did well. Created what looked to me like a sitter - then missed it. But he played well overall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 14, 2018, 02:57:01 PM
Always been a fan of Salomon’s But have to say yesterday he was brilliant.

I do accept he will never score “enough” goals but been thinking today as to what that equates to these days.

I’m struggling to think of many strikers in the bottom half who are blowing him out the water goals wise.

Even Everton, Southampton, Burnley etc seem to struggle for a regular goal scorer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 14, 2018, 04:05:47 PM
have to say yesterday he was brilliant.

Yeah I loved the way all of his shots sailed wide or over the bar, it was fantastic for Rondon to consistently fail to work the opposition keeper safe in the knowledge our defenders were assigned to goal scoring duties. We also need to give him a hell of a lot of credit for repeatedly falling over which must have confused the Brighton back four. Fingers crossed his can keep up his inability to hit barn door until May, worked a treat yesterday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 14, 2018, 04:06:04 PM
It's been said before. Great workrate and physical strength in holding the ball up, but he should be getting more shots on target. Even once in a game would be something.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 14, 2018, 04:56:31 PM
If people are unable to appreciate his performance yesterday it's either because they have an agenda against him or know little about football.  Probably the same types who used to get on Brunt's case, never happy unless they have someone to slate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 1954 on January 14, 2018, 05:03:37 PM
It's been said before. Great workrate and physical strength in holding the ball up, but he should be getting more shots on target. Even once in a game would be something.

He got 1 on target yesterday! Unfortunately I've seen back passes hit harder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: maximus on January 14, 2018, 05:18:30 PM
Does tremendous in a forward role as in holding it up, Bullying defenders etc. Just isn't a goal threat unfortunately. Him and Jay are of the same mould, High work rate and doing a job for the team, Neither seem selfish enough which separates certain levels of strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 14, 2018, 05:46:42 PM
If people are unable to appreciate his performance yesterday it's either because they have an agenda against him or know little about football.  Probably the same types who used to get on Brunt's case, never happy unless they have someone to slate.

Well said, I really appreciated his determination to ensure we only scored twice yesterday, very professional of him and commendably consistent. I particularly enjoyed the shot into the side-netting and applauded the one onto the roof of the net. Stellar stuff all round, long may he continue to not score any goals. Best leaving that to the back four.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 14, 2018, 06:35:55 PM
Yeah I loved the way all of his shots sailed wide or over the bar, it was fantastic for Rondon to consistently fail to work the opposition keeper safe in the knowledge our defenders were assigned to goal scoring duties. We also need to give him a hell of a lot of credit for repeatedly falling over which must have confused the Brighton back four. Fingers crossed his can keep up his inability to hit barn door until May, worked a treat yesterday.
You really can be most annoying you know once you get it into your head about certain players, Rondon was one of our top 3 or 4 players on the pitch yesterday you choose to not see the excellent holdup and support play he puts in and as for that sublime pass for Dawson to run on to it really was something special 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 14, 2018, 07:22:47 PM
Yeah I loved the way all of his shots sailed wide or over the bar, it was fantastic for Rondon to consistently fail to work the opposition keeper safe in the knowledge our defenders were assigned to goal scoring duties. We also need to give him a hell of a lot of credit for repeatedly falling over which must have confused the Brighton back four. Fingers crossed his can keep up his inability to hit barn door until May, worked a treat yesterday.

Really mature reply that was.

Noticed you didn’t answer my question; who else would you want? The point I’m making is that Stoke, Swansea, Bournemouth, Watford, Southampton, Brighton, Huddersfield, Palace, Newcastle (all of the other teams basically) don’t appear to have many goal scorers either. Maybe the days of a 20+ goal a season striker for a mid-lower table team have gone but my question to you is rather than slating Rondon at every given opportunity why don’t you name us somebody in our price bracket who could do his role better for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 14, 2018, 07:43:41 PM
I really like Rondon , much improved overall play under Pardew and team play wise was great Yesterday .
The trouble is I don't think he has that killer instinct , for example Odemwingie or Long would push their Gran over for a goal but I just don't sense that in Sol. As with Yesterday I'm not convinced when he gets through he will score , just hope Pardew can get him scoring as we need goals from all over .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on January 14, 2018, 08:14:48 PM
I really like Rondon , much improved overall play under Pardew and team play wise was great Yesterday .
The trouble is I don't think he has that killer instinct , for example Odemwingie or Long would push their Gran over for a goal but I just don't sense that in Sol. As with Yesterday I'm not convinced when he gets through he will score , just hope Pardew can get him scoring as we need goals from all over .

Odemwingie, but Shane Long ?? Never been and never will be a regular goalscorer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
I really like Rondon , much improved overall play under Pardew and team play wise was great Yesterday .
The trouble is I don't think he has that killer instinct , for example Odemwingie or Long would push their Gran over for a goal but I just don't sense that in Sol. As with Yesterday I'm not convinced when he gets through he will score , just hope Pardew can get him scoring as we need goals from all over .


Long? Long? He's just been on a 30 odd game dry streak.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on January 14, 2018, 08:36:09 PM
Well said, I really appreciated his determination to ensure we only scored twice yesterday, very professional of him and commendably consistent. I particularly enjoyed the shot into the side-netting and applauded the one onto the roof of the net. Stellar stuff all round, long may he continue to not score any goals. Best leaving that to the back four.

And to think it was you who recently accused me of sarcasm.........  :P  :P  ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 14, 2018, 08:57:00 PM

Long? Long? He's just been on a 30 odd game dry streak.
As with Odemwingie I meant back in their time with us , both a handful and both had the instinct the big fella doesn't Imo. You knew what I meant as well Jacko  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 14, 2018, 08:59:54 PM
Odemwingie, but Shane Long ?? Never been and never will be a regular goalscorer.
Missing my point , both had the hunger .
As much as I like Rondon I just don't see that same level .
Even when he gets a goal he seems to switch off apart from a wonderful treble against Swansea.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 14, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
Missing my point , both had the hunger .
As much as I like Rondon I just don't see that same level .
Even when he gets a goal he seems to switch off apart from a wonderful treble against Swansea.

I agree with Long. He is a machine. He is regularly praised for his off the ball work in spite of his lack of goals. His effort and work rate alone sees him fashion his own chances. Against Man Utd recently was a great example. Got on the end of a ball that he should never have done and forced a great stop from De Gea. He's sort of player who simply through his style can raise people around him. Love players like Shane Long.

Rondon's style means he really needs to impose himself on games and he rarely does in my opinion. He lacks conviction as much as anything when attacking the ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 14, 2018, 09:12:32 PM
I will add Rondon is our best forward option at the minute which says it all , I've been less than impressed with JR.
Just wish Rondon had a tad more threat on goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 14, 2018, 09:26:06 PM
I will add Rondon is our best forward option at the minute which says it all , I've been less than impressed with JR.
Just wish Rondon had a tad more threat on goal.

I still think he will come good with his goal scoring and will be a decent 10+ goals a season who holds the ball up best out of anyone out side the top 6. I don't think he will ever be prolific but he will chip in. I would love for him to strike up a partnership with J Rod but I don't think J Rod is going to be that 15+ goals a season striker we need.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on January 14, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
I will add Rondon is our best forward option at the minute which says it all , I've been less than impressed with JR.
Just wish Rondon had a tad more threat on goal.
needs an odemwingie or kev Phillips type around him as Jrod and HRK arnt the answer but where do we find one from?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on January 14, 2018, 09:33:35 PM
Rondon is a nice guy and you can't argue with his work rate but no disrespect to the Brighton back four I'm expecting him to bully them and for them to walk off the pitch knowing they had been in a game . That was a championship back four he played against yesterday . The trouble with this lad is he has what people deem to be a decent game but when you actually break it down where it really matters i.e. Taking chances like when he went through and hit the side netting yet again his technique was wrong he should have shot across goal . He cannot be trusted with simple opportunities to at least make the goalkeeper work and his miss against Everton was as bad as I've seen yet again little or no technique. I'm prepared to put up with him this season but we really need to move on especially if we stay up . 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 14, 2018, 10:58:25 PM
In my opinion the sun is one of the best papers around for its football coverage, and in the marks out of 10 for yesterday's games 7 of our players got 7 two got 8 and two got 6. Have a guess who got 6 Rondon and the pole! Hard to disagree with the marks.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2018, 12:24:08 AM
In my opinion the sun is one of the best papers around for its football coverage, and in the marks out of 10 for yesterday's games 7 of our players got 7 two got 8 and two got 6. Have a guess who got 6 Rondon and the pole! Hard to disagree with the marks.
BBC had the pole down as MOTM yet SKY rated him equal lowest.
 he was neither, all down to opinions.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on January 15, 2018, 08:36:58 AM
Some fans look only in the goals column
Others look at all-round performance some both. He just doesn't score enough goals & that's plane enough for a blind person to see but performance wise he's the best we can hope for. We will never attract a 20 goals a season forward unless we ,1 take a chance on a player with promise ,2. pay big wages to a proven one.
Having said that if any manager can provide a system for him to flourish in it AP.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 15, 2018, 09:58:05 PM
Some fans look only in the goals column
Others look at all-round performance some both. He just doesn't score enough goals & that's plane enough for a blind person to see but performance wise he's the best we can hope for. We will never attract a 20 goals a season forward unless we ,1 take a chance on a player with promise ,2. pay big wages to a proven one.
Having said that if any manager can provide a system for him to flourish in it AP.

Nothing wrong with doing either in my opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on January 16, 2018, 06:49:35 AM
Some fans look only in the goals column
Others look at all-round performance some both. He just doesn't score enough goals & that's plane enough for a blind person to see but performance wise he's the best we can hope for. We will never attract a 20 goals a season forward unless we ,1 take a chance on a player with promise ,2. pay big wages to a proven one.
Having said that if any manager can provide a system for him to flourish in it AP.

We will be unhappy with our strikers forever if our expectations are based on the mythical 20 goals a season striker. Giroud, Benteke, Bony or Defoe have never scored 20 premier league goals in a season. Very few do on a regular basis and hardly any while playing for teams outside the top 6. The last one to do so was Lukaku while at Everton before that I've gone back 5 seasons and there isn't one.

If our main striker scores 10 goals that is good, 15 very good and anything above that is excellent. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 16, 2018, 02:30:38 PM
We will be unhappy with our strikers forever if our expectations are based on the mythical 20 goals a season striker. Giroud, Benteke, Bony or Defoe have never scored 20 premier league goals in a season. Very few do on a regular basis and hardly any while playing for teams outside the top 6. The last one to do so was Lukaku while at Everton before that I've gone back 5 seasons and there isn't one.

If our main striker scores 10 goals that is good, 15 very good and anything above that is excellent.

Exactly the point im asking, I accept he doesnt score "enough" though
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on January 16, 2018, 02:48:04 PM
We will be unhappy with our strikers forever if our expectations are based on the mythical 20 goals a season striker. Giroud, Benteke, Bony or Defoe have never scored 20 premier league goals in a season. Very few do on a regular basis and hardly any while playing for teams outside the top 6. The last one to do so was Lukaku while at Everton before that I've gone back 5 seasons and there isn't one.

If our main striker scores 10 goals that is good, 15 very good and anything above that is excellent.
great post and a total dose of realism. Besides, if we did have a striker scoring 20 goals a season it wouldn’t be for any longer than a season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 16, 2018, 05:07:17 PM
We will be unhappy with our strikers forever if our expectations are based on the mythical 20 goals a season striker. Giroud, Benteke, Bony or Defoe have never scored 20 premier league goals in a season. Very few do on a regular basis and hardly any while playing for teams outside the top 6. The last one to do so was Lukaku while at Everton before that I've gone back 5 seasons and there isn't one.

If our main striker scores 10 goals that is good, 15 very good and anything above that is excellent.
You make a very good point about being outside the top 6. If you look at the league table every team below 7th has a negative goal difference which means by definition the team is conceding more goals than it scores. To be outside the top 6 and have a 20 goal a season striker you have to be having 5 v 4 losses on a regular basis which rarely happens. The converse is true, if you play in a better team you will get more and better chances to score. Therefore even if we shelled out £40m on a 20 goal a season striker there is a very good chance that he would not score 20 in our current team as his chances would be markedly less.

You might think it a better bet to get 2-3 strikers from lower leagues and see if one comes good
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on January 16, 2018, 05:10:31 PM
Some fans look only in the goals column
Others look at all-round performance some both. He just doesn't score enough goals & that's plane enough for a blind person to see but performance wise he's the best we can hope for. We will never attract a 20 goals a season forward unless we ,1 take a chance on a player with promise ,2. pay big wages to a proven one.
Having said that if any manager can provide a system for him to flourish in it AP.

Regardless of what you look... his shooting accuracy is terrible.

It could just be a confidence issue, but way too often he just snaps at the ball and sends it wide or when it is on target there is literally no power in his shots.

Shame really as I personally like rondon and are rooting for him to really crack on and do well here... but to stay in this league you need to score goals and if your number 9 ain't scoring goals... something has to give.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 16, 2018, 06:24:08 PM
Nobody has yet to name anybody who could do a better job for us than him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 16, 2018, 07:10:00 PM
Regardless of what you look... his shooting accuracy is terrible.

It could just be a confidence issue, but way too often he just snaps at the ball and sends it wide or when it is on target there is literally no power in his shots.

Shame really as I personally like rondon and are rooting for him to really crack on and do well here... but to stay in this league you need to score goals and if your number 9 ain't scoring goals... something has to give.

According to BBC sport

7th Place Burnleys top scorer has scored 5 goals
10th Place Watford top scorer has scored 7
11th Place West Ham top scorer has scored 6 (and is a midfielder)

Jay Rod and Rondon are our top on 5 each.

Its true that our strikers haven't scored a lot of goals this season but as has been mentioned before, the premiership is clearly not littered with prolific goalscorers. At least outside the top 6 anyway.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on January 17, 2018, 02:56:42 AM
Nobody has yet to name anybody who could do a better job for us than him

I was asking this question regularly on this thread last season when he was getting stupid amounts of stick, seems people love to slate him but don't actually understand the level of player it takes to consistently score 10+ goals in the Premier League.

Think the only suggestions I got were Chris Wood, Deeney and Long - 4, 2 and 1 goals this season - compared to Rondon who has 3 and is a much better all-round player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 17, 2018, 05:53:45 AM
I was asking this question regularly on this thread last season when he was getting stupid amounts of stick, seems people love to slate him but don't actually understand the level of player it takes to consistently score 10+ goals in the Premier League.

Think the only suggestions I got were Chris Wood, Deeney and Long - 4, 2 and 1 goals this season - compared to Rondon who has 3 and is a much better all-round player.
Is four not more than three? The only people I hear backing Rondon are on here.Not one person I have spoke to rates him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 17, 2018, 06:07:45 AM
The only people I hear backing Rondon are on here.Not one person I have spoke to rates him.
Unfortunately mate opinions don't trump facts, figures and statistics
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 17, 2018, 07:01:57 AM
Is four not more than three? The only people I hear backing Rondon are on here.Not one person I have spoke to rates him.
Every player can be replaced but at the minute nobody is providing any sensible suggestions, in our price bracket, that are any better than Rondon (IMO). He is a West Brom player so gets my full support when he plays. He is also, fairly clearly, the best forward we have at the club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 17, 2018, 08:45:57 AM
To be honest I couldn't care less who scores as long as we do. If Dawson finishes top scorer and we stay up, that will have to do this season.
Yes we need more firepower and someone who is more predatory in front of goal than Rondon but, the chances of getting someone in who offers that while matching Rondon's work rate, strength and hold up play is slim on our budget.
That's why I think we need someone as well as, rather than instead of, Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 17, 2018, 03:04:36 PM
Rondon or Bony = rondon
Rondon or Perez = rondon
Rondon or crouch = rondon
Rondon or Carroll = rondon
Rondon or Long = rondon
I could go on but cannot be ar5ed

He stays fit, works his butt off, leads the line well, yes he could score more but then he would be elsewhere, he also wears the stripes so get off his back and support him!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 17, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
Rondon or Bony = rondon
Rondon or Perez = rondon
Rondon or crouch = rondon
Rondon or Carroll = rondon
Rondon or Long = rondon
I could go on but cannot be ar5ed

He stays fit, works his butt off, leads the line well, yes he could score more but then he would be elsewhere, he also wears the stripes so get off his back and support him!

Exactly the point i've been making. We could have a Lukaku but look where they end up.

We could have a punt on a Ideye type, but they dont all work do they.

Could go for a Odemwingie but again look what happens after a couple of successful years.

Rondon is nowhere near as bad as some on here make out, he has many flaws and many areas for improvement but it could be much much worse - remember Berahino costs £3m more than he does :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on January 17, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Rondon or Bony = rondon
Rondon or Perez = rondon
Rondon or crouch = rondon
Rondon or Carroll = rondon
Rondon or Long = rondon
I could go on but cannot be ar5ed

He stays fit, works his butt off, leads the line well, yes he could score more but then he would be elsewhere, he also wears the stripes so get off his back and support him!

I'm sorry that comparison isn't fair. Most those teams have other striking options unlike us, i.e. Rondon or Austin = Austin
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on January 17, 2018, 03:31:34 PM
Is four not more than three? The only people I hear backing Rondon are on here.Not one person I have spoke to rates him.

Either you don't speak to enough people or the people you do speak to need to watch a bit more football. I also remember you waxing lyrical about Chris Wood last summer, he has scored a single goal more than Rondon in a team that are having their best season in decades whilst we are struggling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 17, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
I am with Albion59 on this one, most other media sites he gets a low mark but for some reason on here he seems to be god for some. hes a waste of a place, we need a goal scorer and he aint that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 17, 2018, 04:18:55 PM
Either you don't speak to enough people or the people you do speak to need to watch a bit more football. I also remember you waxing lyrical about Chris Wood last summer, he has scored a single goal more than Rondon in a team that are having their best season in decades whilst we are struggling.
I speak to loads of people, and all the people I speak to go home and away, and IMO Carroll, Austen , sturridge ,Long and Wood would do better. But that's my opinion and as I have said before I don't get on his back at the ground only on here, and I wish he could score more goals I don't want him to fail because that means Albion fail, but unfortunately he does.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on January 17, 2018, 04:30:17 PM
I am with Albion59 on this one, most other media sites he gets a low mark but for some reason on here he seems to be god for some. hes a waste of a place, we need a goal scorer and he aint that

I agree, he just lacks composure when it matters IMO. Shoot me down in flames but I'd love to see Vydra back here playing off Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 17, 2018, 04:40:30 PM
i like him, he holds the ball up well and in general he's a decent player but he's naff at putting the ball in the net. see it week after week where he has chances but half the time doesn't make the keeper work.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 17, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
I am with Albion59 on this one, most other media sites he gets a low mark but for some reason on here he seems to be god for some. hes a waste of a place, we need a goal scorer and he aint that

Name one then who we could get. Still nobody naming anyone we'd realstically go after and sign who would guarantee more goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 17, 2018, 04:51:37 PM
It's almost the wrong question

Surely it should not be "is Rondon good enough"?
But
Are our strike options good enough?

To me Rondon,Long,Deeney and niasse
Would give us much better options than
Rondon,Rodrigues Hell Robson Cantdo and no other....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 17, 2018, 04:53:40 PM
Name one then who we could get. Still nobody naming anyone we'd realstically go after and sign who would guarantee more goals.
How can anyone answer a question like it? doesn't matter what names get put up no-one can guarantee they'd score more of less goals. you only find that out when playing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on January 17, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
We can name strikers who *might* score more goals but the other aspects of the game are lacking compared to Rondon and so would hurt us overall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 17, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
I think Rondon is about our level. His recent all round performances have been much improved but he is still snatching at chances and needs to convert more. I'm not sure anybody feels he is a 'god' as suggested but possibly the defence of him from some is because others state he is utter pooh when the truth is probably somewhere in between.

Just look at the other strikers signed by teams around our position in the last couple of years and the goals scored in the PL in their last 2 PL seasons. I'm looking at strikers that were signed when in a similar position to us so not Glenn Murray for example, and left Vardy out as signed from none league when Leicester were in the Championship

Rondon 11 in 58 - £12m

Swansea
Bony 4 goals in 21 games - £12m
Ayew 5 in 37 - £8m

Stoke
Berahino 0 in 23 - £12m
Choupo Mouting 4 in 22 - Free

Southampon
Long 4 in 49 - £12m
Austin 12 in 31 - £4m
Gabbiadini 7 in 31 - £15m

Newcastle
Gayle 6 in 36 - £10m
Perez 8 in 54 - £3m
Joselu - 8 in 44 - £5m
Mitrovic 10 in 40 - £13m

Bournemouth
Afobe 6 in 40 - £10m
King - 18 in 32 - Free
Defoe 18 in 52 - Free
Grabban 0 in 18 - £7m
Mousset 0 in 17 - £7m

Palace
Benteke 16 in 53 - £27m
Wickham 7 in 29 - £9m

West Ham
Carroll 9 in 30 - £15m
Sakho 3 in 15 £4m
Hernandez 4 in 17 - £16m
Ayew 9 in 43 - £21m

Watford
Deeney 12 in 52 - £20m rated?
Success 1 in 17 - £13m
Richarlson 5 in 22 - £11m
Gray 13 in 54 - £18m

Leicester
Iheanacho 4 in 29 - £25m
Slimani 8 in 35 - £28m
Okazaki 9 in 50 - £7m
Musa 2 in 21 - £17m

Burnley
Wood 4 in 15 - £15m
Wells 0 in 4 - £5m

Break it all down (Rondon in brackets)

Average goals per player 6.75 (11)
Average games per player 32 (58)
Average fee per player £11.69m (£12m)

Average games per goal 4.78 (5.27)

A lot of this will come down to opinion. You can argue of the above stats either day. This player plays for a more defensive club, this player has been injured, this one was on free which skews the numbers or that player takes penalties which boosts his goals etc etc but as an overall comparison to pretty much every other player his numbers stack up as 'ok'.

Austin
King
Defoe
Benteke
Deeney
Gray

They are the only players to outscore Rondon over their last 2 PL seasons.

I personally think there is a decent player in there. He's not a 15+ goal a season striker but he's more than capable of delivering 10-12 which is absolutely fine for a team in mid table. If he can add those goals and we can get the likes of Phillips/Rodriguez/Chadli adding another 20-25 between them it's more than acceptable.

Needs to start converting a few more chances but if he carries on his recent performances and an score 6-7 goals between now and May it will give us a good chance of staying up.

I'd absolutely love us to bring in a top striker to compete or even replace him but it's not very easy as the list above shows. Theres 32 players in the above list and how many can you say hand on heart you would take who would be a definite success for us? There's far more failures than hits on there. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try and a CF will surely be high on our list, but the chances of us landing someone for £10m-£20m who will come in and score 10 goals this season are pretty remote and would require some great scouting and a large slice of luck.













Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on January 17, 2018, 05:31:11 PM
added to the thread above (which is really good imho) that rondon has been playing under a manager that wasnt interested in attacking. So in terms of chances created for him, he must have had less. Perhaps the amount of possession for the team of the players verses the possession had by us (in our opponent's half) would make for interesting reading.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 17, 2018, 05:39:13 PM
added to the thread above (which is really good imho) that rondon has been playing under a manager that wasnt interested in attacking. So in terms of chances created for him, he must have had less. Perhaps the amount of possession for the team of the players verses the possession had by us (in our opponent's half) would make for interesting reading.

Agreed, you can break that down dozens more ways. For example I'd add in our style of play under Pulis massively hampered Rondon. Most of Deeneys goals have been penalties so does his 12 mean more than Rondons 11 in reality? King and Defoe have both scored more but have both done very little this season. But then on he other side Rondon has been the 1st choice number 9 for us where others have been bit part players or played more of the bench. However as a basic overall comparison it should serve to show some worth to the numbers.

I think the point about back up/other options is the key one. HRK just simply isn't good enough and Rodriguez so far has been borderline at absolute best. It's why I mention the goals from Rodriguez, Phillips, Chadli etc being just as important. Silly as it sounds but I think if we could bring in another CF with Rondons ability but maybe with a different style it would automatically improve us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 18, 2018, 10:37:48 AM
Agreed, you can break that down dozens more ways. For example I'd add in our style of play under Pulis massively hampered Rondon. Most of Deeneys goals have been penalties so does his 12 mean more than Rondons 11 in reality? King and Defoe have both scored more but have both done very little this season. But then on he other side Rondon has been the 1st choice number 9 for us where others have been bit part players or played more of the bench. However as a basic overall comparison it should serve to show some worth to the numbers.

I think the point about back up/other options is the key one. HRK just simply isn't good enough and Rodriguez so far has been borderline at absolute best. It's why I mention the goals from Rodriguez, Phillips, Chadli etc being just as important. Silly as it sounds but I think if we could bring in another CF with Rondons ability but maybe with a different style it would automatically improve us.

Well done for the goalscorers analysis. You've done a fair amount of number crunching there. I've been looking at German Bundesliga scorers which is almost similar standard to the Premier League, and you'll find some names, not at so-called top clubs, with very respectable conversion rates. 
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/german-bundesliga/top-scorers

Players like Petersen at Freiburg, Finnbogason and Gregoritsch both at Augsburg, Volland at Leverkusen. I think any of the above would offer quality in their all round game as well as a major boost to our goalscoring conversion rate. 
Also, their shots on target make interesting reading. Nearly all 50% plus.
Not sure what their transfer sums would be, but you'd expect them to be slightly lower than for other Premier League strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 18, 2018, 10:42:25 AM
I'm sorry that comparison isn't fair. Most those teams have other striking options unlike us, i.e. Rondon or Austin = Austin

Austin is almost permanently injured which is of no use to anyone, whereas Rondon .....
Put Austin into our squad in place of rondon and HRK would have to play week in / week out, that would go well wouldn't it ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 18, 2018, 11:22:07 AM
Well done for the goalscorers analysis. You've done a fair amount of number crunching there. I've been looking at German Bundesliga scorers which is almost similar standard to the Premier League, and you'll find some names, not at so-called top clubs, with very respectable conversion rates. 
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/german-bundesliga/top-scorers

Players like Petersen at Freiburg, Finnbogason and Gregoritsch both at Augsburg, Volland at Leverkusen. I think any of the above would offer quality in their all round game as well as a major boost to our goalscoring conversion rate. 
Also, their shots on target make interesting reading. Nearly all 50% plus.
Not sure what their transfer sums would be, but you'd expect them to be slightly lower than for other Premier League strikers.

For the record I completely agree we need to be looking abroad for most of our signings, especially a CF. The point is that the vast majority of us would have been happy if we signed the likes of Musa, Slimani, Gabbiadini, Mitrovic, Hernandez in the last 18 months and they have all been a failure to some degree and not one if them is 1st choice for their club. Would anyone of them really be a huge upgrade on Rondon?

If/when we sign a new CF the chances are he won't be much better than Rondon and could well turn out to be worse. Again, that doesn't mean we don't try but just that in comparison to most of his peers Rondon is doing 'ok'.

For example I was really disappointed when we didn't sign Slimani but he looked absolute dreadful against Fleetwood in the week and is apparently available for loan. I thought Musa would have been a good signing on loan at the start of the season and he's barely a footballer these days. Of course any of the names you mention could come in and score 20 goals for a club but history suggests it's far more likely they will be the next Slimani, Rondon, Gabbiadini etc.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 18, 2018, 11:35:25 AM
added to the thread above (which is really good imho) that rondon has been playing under a manager that wasnt interested in attacking. So in terms of chances created for him, he must have had less. Perhaps the amount of possession for the team of the players verses the possession had by us (in our opponent's half) would make for interesting reading.
Brown Ideye scored 23 goals in 43 matches after he left us, not sure how good the top Greek league is but he was scoring in the champions league.
I would expect an uplift in goals from our forwards like you say just because we play a more attacking game than under the previous manager.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 18, 2018, 01:00:54 PM
For the record I completely agree we need to be looking abroad for most of our signings, especially a CF. The point is that the vast majority of us would have been happy if we signed the likes of Musa, Slimani, Gabbiadini, Mitrovic, Hernandez in the last 18 months and they have all been a failure to some degree and not one if them is 1st choice for their club. Would anyone of them really be a huge upgrade on Rondon?

If/when we sign a new CF the chances are he won't be much better than Rondon and could well turn out to be worse. Again, that doesn't mean we don't try but just that in comparison to most of his peers Rondon is doing 'ok'.

For example I was really disappointed when we didn't sign Slimani but he looked absolute dreadful against Fleetwood in the week and is apparently available for loan. I thought Musa would have been a good signing on loan at the start of the season and he's barely a footballer these days. Of course any of the names you mention could come in and score 20 goals for a club but history suggests it's far more likely they will be the next Slimani, Rondon, Gabbiadini etc.

I know what you're saying when you say there is no absolute guarentee about any of the  strikers I mentioned. I think though that if we restrict ourselves to just the Premier League, you are probably looking at an extra 25% or so premium on their value, which is going to put most outside our budget. What I'm saying is that if you have proper scouting in the other main leagues you can save yourself a helluva lot of money further  down the line. If we had been in for Arnoutovic, the Korean guy at Spurs, Firmino, Mhyktarian, Sigurdsson when they were with German clubs, we'd be laughing now. Now they are out of our range. 
Bringing it back to Rondon (before the Moderator's mention it :) , at the least, he  needs more competition than JayRod and HRK, although I think JRod is a good player. One way or another, scoring more goals is an absolute priority.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 18, 2018, 01:13:18 PM
We're looking at the problem wrong, Rondon isn't it, the other 2 are. We need a signing to compliment Rondon not to replace him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 18, 2018, 01:15:26 PM
We're looking at the problem wrong, Rondon isn't it, the other 2 are. We need a signing to compliment Rondon not to replace him.
That's twice in a month 😲😲😲😲
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 18, 2018, 01:43:11 PM
We're looking at the problem wrong, Rondon isn't it, the other 2 are. We need a signing to compliment Rondon not to replace him.
I happen to agree with this, put Defoe alongside Salomon and the goals would flow.
On the subject of Slimani et al looking rubbish at the moment, I would temper that with them not playing on a regular basis, its very hard to look good when you only play for a few minutes here or there, or the odd cup game. Leicester have Vardey / Mahrez partnership and all their other players are of a different style and will not "slot in" readily.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 18, 2018, 01:46:32 PM
We're looking at the problem wrong, Rondon isn't it, the other 2 are. We need a signing to compliment Rondon not to replace him.

Bang on.

Rondon with Pete/Lukaku/Long would have been some front line.

Rondon with HRK & JRod makes it look very poor.

Rondon with a mix of Defoe, Sturridge, Auston, Gray, Deeney etc wouldnt look too bad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 18, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
We're looking at the problem wrong, Rondon isn't it, the other 2 are. We need a signing to compliment Rondon not to replace him.

Rondon isn't all of the problem , as you rightly say the other 2 strikers have to share in the burden but Rondon most definitely is part of the problem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on January 18, 2018, 08:13:22 PM
Bang on.

Rondon with Pete/Lukaku/Long would have been some front line.

Rondon with HRK & JRod makes it look very poor.

Rondon with a mix of Defoe, Sturridge, Auston, Gray, Deeney etc wouldnt look too bad.

I agree about Pete and Lukaku, but I have never understood why Long is held in such high esteem
Willing runner but never has been and never will be a regular goalscorer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 18, 2018, 09:05:13 PM
I agree about Pete and Lukaku, but I have never understood why Long is held in such high esteem
Willing runner but never has been and never will be a regular goalscorer

Spot on. Long isn't a footballer, just a hard working athlete who is quick. No football brain or goal scoring instinct in him. His scoring stats are poor and his recent long running drought without scoring for Southampton was an embarrassment by any standard. Shane Long's inability to score from a few yards out was one of the main reasons Clarke lost his job. Cardiff away I think it was when Long bottled it; although it happened week in and week out.

Pete on the other hand was outstanding, never understood why Roy annoyed him by converting him to a out-in winger, when he loved playing on the shoulder up top and was deadly on the shoulder of the last defender (still remember his debut and winner against Sunderland fondly).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on January 18, 2018, 09:57:10 PM
I agree about Pete and Lukaku, but I have never understood why Long is held in such high esteem
Willing runner but never has been and never will be a regular goalscorer
totally agree, never understood the the love for Long, only has pace, poor touch, poor finishing. Not only that but one of the worst divers in the game, even dived against us for hull and tried to justify it by saying he never claimed for the penalty.

As for Rondon, I rate him, deceptively quick, has scored goals everywhere he’s been but needs a decent strike partner.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 18, 2018, 11:28:37 PM
totally agree, never understood the the love for Long, only has pace, poor touch, poor finishing. Not only that but one of the worst divers in the game, even dived against us for hull and tried to justify it by saying he never claimed for the penalty.

As for Rondon, I rate him, deceptively quick, has scored goals everywhere he’s been but needs a decent strike partner.

Yup. The King, often laid the ball off to Bomber.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 19, 2018, 08:43:13 AM
totally agree, never understood the the love for Long, only has pace, poor touch, poor finishing. Not only that but one of the worst divers in the game, even dived against us for hull and tried to justify it by saying he never claimed for the penalty.

As for Rondon, I rate him, deceptively quick, has scored goals everywhere he’s been but needs a decent strike partner.
Totally disagree
Pace....loads and defenders hate it
Touch....very good, watch the two goals vs villa
Finishing....not bad, he does do a lot of donkey work for team mates..

In our current team WITH Rondon I think he'd be excellent
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on January 19, 2018, 12:15:45 PM
Totally disagree
Pace....loads and defenders hate it
Touch....very good, watch the two goals vs villa
Finishing....not bad, he does do a lot of donkey work for team mates..

In our current team WITH Rondon I think he'd be excellent

Yes great goals against the Villa, but almost the whole ground were dumbstruck by the way he controlled the ball - so out of character
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 19, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
When I pointed out Long i wasnt trying to state how good he was, was more pointing to the fact that if Rondon had strike partners like the Pete/Lukaku/Long/Fortune combination then we would see much more from him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 19, 2018, 05:20:02 PM
When I pointed out Long i wasnt trying to state how good he was, was more pointing to the fact that if Rondon had strike partners like the Pete/Lukaku/Long/Fortune combination then we would see much more from him.
Agree, this is why I said earlier in the thread it's not about Rondon, it's the strike options
When we had lukaku, long Pete etc, we had options for every event/team...now if Solomon doesn't have a good day we may has well throw myhill up top...
This is the worst set of strike options I can remember
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 19, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
Agree, this is why I said earlier in the thread it's not about Rondon, it's the strike options
When we had lukaku, long Pete etc, we had options for every event/team...now if Solomon doesn't have a good day we may has well throw myhill up top...
This is the worst set of strike options I can remember

I would also argue that for the type of system we play and the role we ask of Rondon he isn’t helped by the wingers/midfielders.

None of them contribute enough in terms of goals.

Rather than a midfield creating a sackful for Rondon, or Rondon creating chances for a goal scoring midfield we have a midfield who don’t create chances and don’t get forward enough to score themselves.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on January 19, 2018, 06:37:29 PM
Totally disagree
Pace....loads and defenders hate it
Touch....very good, watch the two goals vs villa
Finishing....not bad, he does do a lot of donkey work for team mates..

In our current team WITH Rondon I think he'd be excellent
thing is he didnt just have those two touches against the villa, those two touches don’t define a player, the vast majority of his touches were heavy which has been a problem throughout his entire career. As for his finishing you only need to look at his recent drought for club and country.

As for a strike partner Rondon id sooner try and take gabbiadini
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on January 20, 2018, 10:50:58 AM
I think we need to get chadli behind rondon, no coincidence that he scored all his goals last season when chadli was with him. Second half of the season when chadli was shunted to a left midfield (left back) role he didn't score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 20, 2018, 11:30:40 AM
Since he came, does anybody know who our top scorers are?

Is Rondon on 20 goals? Not sure who’s second but won’t be many will it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 20, 2018, 11:41:11 AM
Since he came, does anybody know who our top scorers are?

Is Rondon on 20 goals? Not sure who’s second but won’t be many will it?
In the league?

Rondon’s on 20. Dawson and Morrison are next I think on 9.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 20, 2018, 05:51:43 PM
Absolutely superb today.

And such a nice bloke, felt for him after the injury.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 20, 2018, 09:59:16 PM
There was a handful of people around me who were just waiting for him to make a 'mistake' and then screamed abuse at how pooh he is, which was any time he didn't kill a 50 yard lump stone dead, spin his 2 markers and send someone else clean through.

If people don't rate him that's fine but if you can't see he has been excellent in the last 2 games then you're deliberately not looking
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 20, 2018, 10:11:09 PM
There was a handful of people around me who were just waiting for him to make a 'mistake' and then screamed abuse at how pooh he is, which was any time he didn't kill a 50 yard lump stone dead, spin his 2 markers and send someone else clean through.

If people don't rate him that's fine but if you can't see he has been excellent in the last 2 games then you're deliberately not looking

3 goals in 22 games this season. He need to start scoring, that's the bottom line.

I didn't see an excellent performance against Brighton. He had chances to score and missed them. We relied on two defenders to get us the goals to convert 1 point into 3 which was the difference between the win and those 0-0 draws Pardew had against Palace and Everton at home.

I was impressed with his performance today but he's still not scoring any goals. Should have buried his header from the corner in first half injury time. Very unlucky with his shot of the bar late on though and his overall games was strong.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on January 20, 2018, 10:49:50 PM
Everton fans thought he was the best player on the pitch today. By far.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 20, 2018, 11:49:45 PM
Everton fans thought he was the best player on the pitch today. By far.

He's put out a tweet apologising again for the incident and every comment is positive from Everton fans respecting him and saying he was the best player on the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2018, 11:57:02 PM
The outstanding performer according to the pundits.  :P


Like watching a car crash on here when posters get entrenched in a view and can't think of a way to get themselves out of it so just keep making sillier and sillier comments out of sheer belligerence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 21, 2018, 12:10:43 AM
I think it's fair to criticize Rondon's lack of scoring,  and even his low % of shots on target recently. It's something that definitely bothers me and I'm a fan of his.

But if all you're going to do is moan about that and dismiss the other aspects of his performance, which have been crucial to our attack as of late, you lose all credibility and I can't take your opinions seriously.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 21, 2018, 12:18:35 AM
he was outstanding today and if his effort at the end had gone in it would have rounded off a superb display from a centre forward
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on January 21, 2018, 01:46:42 AM
had a great game today,was our best player on the pitch and unlucky with shot that hit bar. that said he should of buried the header in first half.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on January 21, 2018, 07:07:48 AM
If rondon is that good with his all round playa why arnt  other teams sniffing round, I believe Chelsea are considering a punt on Carroll or crouch. One things for sure rondon isn't a goal scoring centre forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 21, 2018, 08:35:09 AM
If rondon is that good with his all round playa why arnt  other teams sniffing round, I believe Chelsea are considering a punt on Carroll or crouch. One things for sure rondon isn't a goal scoring centre forward.

As many keep stating, other than the guys at the top 6, name me somebody who is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 21, 2018, 08:43:27 AM
The outstanding performer according to the pundits.  :P


Like watching a car crash on here when posters get entrenched in a view and can't think of a way to get themselves out of it so just keep making sillier and sillier comments out of sheer belligerence.

It's always been the same. The anti-Pulis brigade being another prime example of blinkered supporters ignoring the truth because it get's in the way of their misguided opinion. Rondon is a very good player but needs support. It's no coincidence that his form has been raised to another level since we have started to play with more attacking freedom.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 21, 2018, 08:53:07 AM
Like watching a car crash on here when posters get entrenched in a view and can't think of a way to get themselves out of it so just keep making sillier and sillier comments out of sheer belligerence.
You'd never do that would you....

Anyway back to Rondon, perhaps people are overly critical of him because there are so few goals coming from midfield? This is putting increased emphasis on the chances that he gets. Our goals need to be shared around the team more - to solely blame Rondon for our lack of goals is just plain unfair.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on January 21, 2018, 09:00:44 AM
You'd never do that would you....

Anyway back to Rondon, perhaps people are overly critical of him because there are so few goals coming from midfield? This is putting increased emphasis on the chances that he gets. Our goals need to be shared around the team more - to solely blame Rondon for our lack of goals is just plain unfair.

Exactly the point I was making yesterday when somebody commented stating Morrison is our 2nd highest scorer since Rondon came to the club, and he only has 9 goals in over 2 and half years.

Rondon yes should score more, but our problems fall far from just his front door.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 21, 2018, 09:01:21 AM
You'd never do that would you....

Anyway back to Rondon, perhaps people are overly critical of him because there are so few goals coming from midfield? This is putting increased emphasis on the chances that he gets. Our goals need to be shared around the team more - to solely blame Rondon for our lack of goals is just plain unfair.


Not so far, no I haven't... Still it's only been what 10 years? So plenty of time yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ripryan1971 on January 21, 2018, 10:50:52 AM
I play all the fantasy football games. Before yesterday's game i saw some stats on Rondon. Makes interesting reading and backs up what happened v Everton.


17 attempts on goal by Salomon Rondon over his last four matches is second only to Kane (22) up front.

Priced at just 6.0, the West Brom frontman has produced a goal and an assist over those fixtures and is hinting at improved returns under Alan Pardew.

Among FPL forwards, he places fourth for shots inside the opposition area (10), while Rondon matches the in-demand Aguero for big chances (four) and efforts on target (five).

Up against Everton, Southampton, Huddersfield and Watford in the next six Gameweeks, the Venezuelan’s influence may yet prove crucial in the Baggies’ bid to beat the drop.

Compared with his previous numbers, Rondon’s improved displays are easy to see.

He’s seeing more of the ball, with both his minutes per touch (from 2.0 to 1.8) and pass received (from 3.2 to 2.9) speeding up.

With his touches in the box also rising (from 2.5 to 4.2), the target man is firing an effort every 19 minutes – not far off being three times as quick as his previous average of 52.3.

Rondon’s efforts in the box (from 0.9 to 2.5), shots on target (from 0.4 to 1.2) and big chances (from 0.2 to 1.0) have also improved significantly.

In terms of creativity, his minutes per key pass have improved from 230 to 65 – indeed, a total of five is once again level with Aguero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on January 21, 2018, 10:57:45 AM
I still feel once he gets a run of a couple of goals he will start firing them in

His performances are unreal its just the elusive goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 21, 2018, 12:53:17 PM
17 attempts on goal by Salomon Rondon over his last four matches is second only to Kane (22) up front.

17 attempts in 4 league games and he hasn't scored. 3 goals in 22 premier league starts. His inability to hit the back of the net is a big problem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 21, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
The outstanding performer according to the pundits.  :P


Like watching a car crash on here when posters get entrenched in a view and can't think of a way to get themselves out of it so just keep making sillier and sillier comments out of sheer belligerence.
Jacko you're a star.LOL ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ronnie_allen on January 22, 2018, 12:45:29 AM
If rondon is that good with his all round playa why arnt  other teams sniffing round, I believe Chelsea are considering a punt on Carroll or crouch. One things for sure rondon isn't a goal scoring centre forward.

On the point relation to Chelsea. I believe they are looking for a homegrown player to fulfill their quota. Therefore Rondon wouldn't meet that criteria.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 22, 2018, 09:28:50 AM
Absolutely superb again at the weekend, a colossus for us as he has been in the majority of games since the departure of Pulis. He is not a finisher, we know this, but his strengths lie in other areas and I would put the onus on those around him to make the most of what he does do for us and to start chipping in with goals themselves, as Jay Rod thankfully did this weekend. Some of the comments I read on here concerning him are truly baffling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
cant afford luxury footballers in the position we are in, we need goals. maybe he will become more effective with a decent partner. lets see how that goes until the end of the season. he certainly has more support on here than any other fan site
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on January 22, 2018, 10:30:25 AM
He was very good at the weekend but that doesn't take away from the fact he's been pretty poor for most the season before that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 22, 2018, 11:24:57 AM
He was very good at the weekend but that doesn't take away from the fact he's been pretty poor for most the season before that
I put that down to the previous regime , apart from his finishing of course.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 22, 2018, 12:18:18 PM
I think there’s been a significant upturn in his performance levels since Pulis was sacked and I think him and Rodriguez are starting to form a good understanding.   He was magnificent on Saturday and the Everton fans we spoke to after the game were crowing about him.  It’s such a shame that some of our own supporters can’t offer him support, I know his finishing has not been up to scratch at times but a good performance is a good performance but some don’t even want to acknowledge that.  He seems to be the chosen whipping boy at the moment by the usual suspects, probably the same types that used to get on Brunt’s back, never happier unless they can be proven right and see someone mess up.  There’s plenty of fans at games who seem to relish slating our own players.  If you only look for the negatives that’s all you will see.

There’s more to centre forward play than just the goals scored column.  However I completely understand people who criticise his goal output but what I have a problem with is people who won’t acknowledge his contributions and who seemingly watch matches baying for him to make a mistake.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on January 22, 2018, 12:44:40 PM
If only he could finish!
Looks to be finding his form and enjoying his football again.
If that last effort had gone in !!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Wigmore on January 22, 2018, 12:49:29 PM
He was very good at the weekend but that doesn't take away from the fact he's been pretty poor for most the season before that
Do you need to be reminded who he was playing for, and how the team was set up for 'most of the season'?
IMO attacking players perform better if they have support from other players in the same postcode.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 22, 2018, 01:42:46 PM
I think there is a consensus that the attack under Pulis has little to no support which has predictably improved under Pardrew, helping the strikers. That doesn't excuse Rondon's goal drought since December 2016. Nor does it excuse his failure to convert clear cut chances at key moments in key games against Swansea, Stoke and Palace. Even under Pulis he stopped scoring from corners or free kick a long time ago which is strange when you consider that his heading is his biggest strength, or at least it used to be. Whichever way you slice it up his goal output hasn't been anywhere near good enough.

One of the biggest worries for me is how infrequently he even manages to hit the target and how clumsy he is; although it was a real shame that one from distance didn't go in off the bar against Everton. I've slated him for months and continue to harbour serious doubts but I'm more than happy to credit him for a very good overall performance at the weekend. Let's hope he can do the business against Southampton (I've already written off the game at City and couldn't care less about the cup).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on January 22, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
I think there is a consensus that the attack under Pulis has little to no support which has predictably improved under Pardrew, helping the strikers. That doesn't excuse Rondon's goal drought since December 2016. Nor does it excuse his failure to convert clear cut chances at key moments in key games against Swansea, Stoke and Palace. Even under Pulis he stopped scoring from corners or free kick a long time ago which is strange when you consider that his heading is his biggest strength, or at least it used to be. Whichever way you slice it up his goal output hasn't been anywhere near good enough.

One of the biggest worries for me is how infrequently he even manages to hit the target and how clumsy he is; although it was a real shame that one from distance didn't go in off the bar against Everton. I've slated him for months and continue to harbour serious doubts but I'm more than happy to credit him for a very good overall performance at the weekend. Let's hope he can do the business against Southampton (I've already written off the game at City and couldn't care less about the cup).


Not to mention Spurs away in the last minute and Everton at home when he failed to make any contact from literally a few yards out when any contact would surely have resulted in a goal. Convert those two chances and we would probably be four points better off.

Don't get me wrong Rondon is playing really well at the moment and I'd rather have him in the team than any other option we have but it is so frustrating and costly when he misses glaring chances that we can ill afford to miss.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on January 22, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
An unfair amount of spotlight is being put on Rondon because the rest of the team aren't chipping in. Barring Odemwingie and Lukaku, we've not had 15+ goals a season striker in the premier league but have instead got goals from around the pitch. It's these that dried up when we starting to play extremely deep and defensively.

We absolutely need a striker or two this month but Rondon is playing well (surely) anyone can see that. If he ends the season with 10 goals and having mostly played the way he's playing, he's more than worth his wages and will have contributed more than most of our forwards have in the past 10 years.

It's not his fault, we've not bought in enough quality around him and alternative strikers to give him a rest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 22, 2018, 04:25:27 PM
I think with Rondon there's an extra expectation to score because he is the No.9 playing as the furthest man forward. We have had other No.9's playing in the same position who were not so prolific in front of goal, Anichebe and M-A Fortune, but people accepted that because there were others feeding off them who were scoring. Maybe also, because neither of those cost as much. If Jay Rod continues to improve in terms of converting chances, maybe we will get by. Rondon clearly has a fantastic work rate, we need a target man to bring others into play and drag defenders out of position for others to exploit, and  his performance at Everton rightly got alot of pats on the back. However, I still think we need an extra clincial goalscoring striker, unless we can get more goals out of Rondon.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 22, 2018, 08:07:32 PM
I think with Rondon there's an extra expectation to score because he is the No.9 playing as the furthest man forward.

Guilt edged chances fell to him against Stoke, Swansea, Palace and Everton (H) and he missed the lot. We mustered 2/12 points from those games and scored just the one goal. Big reason why were 19th and scraping for our lives. I think it's fair to say that those misses brought him a lot of stick. Especially after he had a fair amount of sympathy for the lack of service under the ultra negative Pulis setup. On the up side he played very well at the weekend. Fingers crossed he can hit the back of the net against the Saints.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 24, 2018, 03:44:35 PM
wanted by klopp and big sam
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2018, 05:22:16 PM
wanted by klopp and big sam
Where did you get that gem from?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 24, 2018, 05:54:13 PM
can we possibly sell Rondon BEFORE bringing in at least one striker first?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on January 24, 2018, 05:56:26 PM
 Hey vrabbit,you are joking arnt you?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 24, 2018, 05:59:39 PM
can we possibly sell Rondon BEFORE bringing in at least one striker first?

Why would we sell our best striker?  ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 24, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
Hey vrabbit,you are joking arnt you?

pretty non-sarcastic question on my end in all honesty. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on January 24, 2018, 06:07:19 PM
can we possibly sell Rondon BEFORE bringing in at least one striker first?

We struggle for goals as it is... your plan would be to get rid of a striker?

Thank f%$k the club isn't run by you  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 24, 2018, 06:12:12 PM
We struggle for goals as it is... your plan would be to get rid of a striker?

Thank f%$k the club isn't run by you  :o

woah, MY plan isn't to sell him lol. I was asking based on the "report" (which I put in quotations because it's from The Sun)

but with us being in FFP jail + the lack of support from a good chunk of the fan base I've always thought moving Rondon could be a possibility. I just don't think it's something that can be considered until having at least one more striker on the roster (on loan most likely) and having the purchase of another striker already on deck.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on January 24, 2018, 06:33:56 PM
Sorry vrabbit your jabbering mate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 24, 2018, 06:58:13 PM
Sorry vrabbit your jabbering mate

He's basically saying that we can't move rondon on before we have another decent replacement on the books
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 24, 2018, 07:06:45 PM
He's basically saying that we can't move rondon on before we have another decent replacement on the books
According to Sky sports the bin dippers are allegedly having a sniff round him, hopefully fake news
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 24, 2018, 07:09:36 PM
He's basically saying that we can't move rondon on before we have another decent replacement on the books

yup, can't move him without having another decent replacement already on the roster, shouldn't plan to move him unless we're planning to bring in an additional striker. Shouldn't sell Rondon unless there's a plan in place to replace him with two guys.

and for the record I don't want to move him, I'd love nothing more than for this story to come full circle and Rondon to redeem himself with a good scoring rate that proves he belongs at this level (scoring-wise). The only legitimate point in that Sun article is that he only has 18 months left in his contract - if the scoring doesn't come sooner than later, then moving him becomes a matter of when and not if.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 24, 2018, 09:40:19 PM
Papers are talking of £15m valuation of Rondon.

That just shows ridiculous it was to pay £15m for Burke!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on January 25, 2018, 12:10:52 PM
Papers are talking of £15m valuation of Rondon.

That just shows ridiculous it was to pay £15m for Burke!!
No it doesn't, because
1 We won't sell Rondon, and certainly not for 15 million. Don't believe what you read in the papers
2 Burke is 20 and has been bought for the future. We will develop his talent. He is not ready yet, but the club believe he has a big future, so give him time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2018, 12:25:23 PM
only contracted until end of next season, either we give him a new deal or his value will plummet soon!

The club should be all over this..........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 25, 2018, 12:41:31 PM
This has all the hallmarks of that season we sold Earnshaw without getting a replacement.

I know he hasn't scored that many, but if he goes, we're fcuked
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Backofthenet on January 25, 2018, 06:35:44 PM

     "I know he hasn't scored that many, but if he goes, we're fcuked"


I'm beginning to think we are anyway - sadly by those in power!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 25, 2018, 06:52:39 PM
He ain't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on January 25, 2018, 09:33:38 PM
Needs to be offered a new contract ASAP
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on February 20, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
Salo has 7 goals and 2 assists so far this season (4/1 in PL, 1/1 in League Cup, 2/0 in FA) on 22 shots on target out of 64 total shots (league + 2 cups)

TP games (14): 2 goals, 1 assist on 14 shots (6 on target)
Non-TP games (15): 5 goals, 1 assist on 50 shots (16 on target)

Last season he finished with 8 goals and 2 assists last season (all in league play) on 29 shots on target out of 103 total shots (league + 2 cups)

I expect him to play all 11 games remaining, so with the numbers above he projects to finish at 9 or 10 goals and 3 assists on 40 games played.

The non-TP games projected over 40 games would put him at 13 goals for the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 20, 2018, 10:09:17 PM
Or you could look at it against the teams we still have to play, Rondon scored 5 goals in 9 of those game (can't count 2, new opposition) albeit 3 in one game... 3 of those games we won... 29 points is a start
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 21, 2018, 07:23:47 PM
Salo has 7 goals and 2 assists so far this season (4/1 in PL, 1/1 in League Cup, 2/0 in FA) on 22 shots on target out of 64 total shots (league + 2 cups)
TP games (14): 2 goals, 1 assist on 14 shots (6 on target)
Non-TP games (15): 5 goals, 1 assist on 50 shots (16 on target)
Last season he finished with 8 goals and 2 assists last season (all in league play) on 29 shots on target out of 103 total shots (league + 2 cups)

167 shots (of which just 30% even hit the target) and 15 goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on February 21, 2018, 10:50:00 PM
Don’t think anyone can argue he looks a different player under Pardew (one thing AP has done at least). His form since Pulis went has improved drastically, actually looks more of a goal threat
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 23, 2018, 09:51:41 AM
Don’t think anyone can argue he looks a different player under Pardew (one thing AP has done at least). His form since Pulis went has improved drastically, actually looks more of a goal threat

I would say thats down to better support & better service i think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 23, 2018, 12:00:06 PM
I would say thats down to better support & better service i think.

Which has been developed by AP
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on March 03, 2018, 07:01:54 PM
4 goals in 29 games. Key misses away at Swansea, Stoke, home to Palace and Everton and at Watford. Just like to call this bloke out for relegating my football club. Pathetic excuse for a striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 03, 2018, 07:03:07 PM
4 goals in 29 games. Key misses away at Swansea, Stoke, home to Palace and Everton and at Watford. Just like to call this bloke out for relegating my football club. Pathetic excuse for a striker.

Agreed...all Rondon's fault...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on March 03, 2018, 07:08:36 PM
4 goals in 29 games. Key misses away at Swansea, Stoke, home to Palace and Everton and at Watford. Just like to call this bloke out for relegating my football club. Pathetic excuse for a striker.

He hasn't relegated the club, it's a team effort (or lack of).

Whilst pulis was here he was isolated and feeding off scraps barely getting a single chance each game.... that would have dented his confidence massively as it does with every striker that doesn't score regular.

Since Pardew came in we have seen alot more chances created, but no team in the world puts all their faith into just one person scoring the goals for them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 03, 2018, 07:10:54 PM
4 goals in 29 games. Key misses away at Swansea, Stoke, home to Palace and Everton and at Watford. Just like to call this bloke out for relegating my football club. Pathetic excuse for a striker.

Your constant slating of a player is getting past a joke now. Maybe time to reign it in, we know you're feeling about Rondon so no need to constantly carry on with it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ronnie_allen on March 03, 2018, 07:17:19 PM
Missed two great chances. One laid on a plate for him. And still miles above any other player. Which I suppose is the reason we are where we are.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boot2006 on March 03, 2018, 07:24:16 PM
He's a work horse.  Always puts a shift in and is a good player for us.  If everyone else tried as hard as Rondon then we wouldn't be in this mess.  I'd bet that if there wasn't so much pressure on him he would be scoring more goals than he has.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gavinrussell on March 03, 2018, 07:33:39 PM
Missed two great chances. One laid on a plate for him. And still miles above any other player. Which I suppose is the reason we are where we are.
Agree...he is the best we have..no one else has stepped up...unfortunately he isn't going to score the goals to instill confidence or get us out of our predicament..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on March 03, 2018, 07:42:25 PM
I like Rondon. He works hard. He's professional. He seems like a nice guy. But I really don't know what his strengths are and `i do think he can take some responsibility for points lost due to his inability to finish.

Is he great in the air? - not really - scores some good goals but also misses loads.
Is he great on the shoulder of the last defender? - hasn't been his game with us though I think he has good pace but not good acceleration.
Does he have great skill? - Not really.
Does he have great strength? - absolutely.
Is he great with his ball to feet? - ok but not amazing.
Does he have excellent decision making? - no. Again today there were at least two opportunities to play team mates through for a shot on goal but he didn't take them.
Can he take the ball and create his own chances? - No
Is he a clinical finisher? - No. I would argue that JRod is a better finisher.

So in my view he's a decent target man but apart from his strength and his willingness to work hard I really don't know what his core strength is. Maybe it will work for him at another club when he leaves us but I think we can look back on his time and say that it didn't really work.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on March 03, 2018, 07:48:10 PM
handed a goal on a plate by Gibbs and still manages to foooooooooooook it up, might run around the pitch a lot but doesnt do what he`s paid for putting ball in net. needs to be moved on like most of squad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2018, 07:49:37 PM
I like Rondon. He works hard. He's professional. He seems like a nice guy. But I really don't know what his strengths are and `i do think he can take some responsibility for points lost due to his inability to finish.

Is he great in the air? - not really - scores some good goals but also misses loads.
Is he great on the shoulder of the last defender? - hasn't been his game with us though I think he has good pace but not good acceleration.
Does he have great skill? - Not really.
Does he have great strength? - absolutely.
Is he great with his ball to feet? - ok but not amazing.
Does he have excellent decision making? - no. Again today there were at least two opportunities to play team mates through for a shot on goal but he didn't take them.
Can he take the ball and create his own chances? - No
Is he a clinical finisher? - No. I would argue that JRod is a better finisher.

So in my view he's a decent target man but apart from his strength and his willingness to work hard I really don't know what his core strength is. Maybe it will work for him at another club when he leaves us but I think we can look back on his time and say that it didn't really work.


A lot of words to say not much. As for Rodriguez he's shown nothing to suggest your opinion that he IS a better finished is true.


Rondon is what he is. A superb target man. Decent enough finisher (remember Andy Cole at Man United scored about one in eight) will prosper at his next club just as he has at all his previous clubs.


The lads that don't rste him probably didn't rate Valero, Vela, Amalfitano, Teixeira or Nwankwo Kanu.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 03, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
Love his work rate but for me he is at best an average footballer and below average striker , doesn't have a especially good footballing brain at vital times either.
Take that header Today , a good striker would have put it back across goal giving the keeper no chance . Rondon if he had connected properly would most likely put it straight at the keeper . Can't help but like the big fella but that moment sums him up for me , frustrating.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on March 03, 2018, 08:23:54 PM

A lot of words to say not much. As for Rodriguez he's shown nothing to suggest your opinion that he IS a better finished is true.


Rondon is what he is. A superb target man. Decent enough finisher (remember Andy Cole at Man United scored about one in eight) will prosper at his next club just as he has at all his previous clubs.


The lads that don't rste him probably didn't rate Valero, Vela, Amalfitano, Teixeira or Nwankwo Kanu.

Can't help yourself can you? If that's your view then don't quote me and respond.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on March 03, 2018, 08:26:05 PM
Love his work rate but for me he is at best an average footballer and below average striker , doesn't have a especially good footballing brain at vital times either.
Take that header Today , a good striker would have put it back across goal giving the keeper no chance . Rondon if he had connected properly would most likely put it straight at the keeper . Can't help but like the big fella but that moment sums him up for me , frustrating.

Yep - totally agree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2018, 08:26:27 PM
Can't help yourself can you? If that's your view then don't quote me and respond.


What's up mate? Rondon is a good player, very good in fact and one of the last in our squad that should come in for criticism.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: loui999 on March 03, 2018, 08:29:51 PM
1st post in a long time !!!!!!
Rondon is a complete waste of a shirt !
1 no pace
2 finishing is non league standard
3 in the air apart from Watford at home last season average !
4 hold up play non existent
5 he’s a coward no balls
6 get rid asap
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on March 03, 2018, 08:30:13 PM

A lot of words to say not much. As for Rodriguez he's shown nothing to suggest your opinion that he IS a better finished is true.


Rondon is what he is. A superb target man. Decent enough finisher (remember Andy Cole at Man United scored about one in eight) will prosper at his next club just as he has at all his previous clubs.


The lads that don't rste him probably didn't rate Valero, Vela, Amalfitano, Teixeira or Nwankwo Kanu.

I admire your defence of Rondon and personally think he's a good target man (not a good finisher) but the Andy Cole comment is surely a joke....I think his record was 1 in 3 there (maybe even better).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2018, 08:32:25 PM



I admire your defence of Rondon and personally think he's a good target man (not a good finisher) but the Andy Cole comment is surely a joke....I think his record was 1 in 3 there (maybe even better).


Chances not games, and he got a lot of clear chances playing in that United team.


Apologies I should have been more specific.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boot2006 on March 03, 2018, 09:09:45 PM
1st post in a long time !!!!!!
Rondon is a complete waste of a shirt !
1 no pace
2 finishing is non league standard
3 in the air apart from Watford at home last season average !
4 hold up play non existent
5 he’s a coward no balls
6 get rid asap

Rondon is surprisingly quick mate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on March 03, 2018, 09:17:43 PM
How many times have we come away from a match this season and said " what about rondons missed chances"

Cannot fault his effort but if he had of scored the chances he has had, absolute guilt edge sitters then we wouldn't be in such of a mess.

Robins missing sitters plays its part in us going down this year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on March 03, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
How many times have we come away from a match this season and said " what about rondons missed chances"

Cannot fault his effort but if he had of scored the chances he has had, absolute guilt edge sitters then we wouldn't be in such of a mess.

Robins missing sitters plays its part in us going down this year.
Have to agree. I like Rondon a lot and he worked harder than anyone on the pitch today but, too many times we have lamented his missed chances. Twice today he went for goal despite having better options and his header from 5 yards was a sitter.
Whether he stays or goes, we need a goalscorer if we are going to challenge for promotion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on March 03, 2018, 09:45:51 PM
1st post in a long time !!!!!!
Rondon is a complete waste of a shirt !
1 no pace
2 finishing is non league standard
3 in the air apart from Watford at home last season average !
4 hold up play non existent
5 he’s a coward no balls
6 get rid asap

I take it today was the first time you've seen rondon play in a long time too?

People are too quick to assume a strikers sole responsibility is to score goals, yes it makes them look a better player but there is much more to a strikers game than finding the back of the net...

I agree, he has missed way too many easy chances but you could put that down to confidence, not even Messi has a 100% shot conversion.... never mind a striker in an out of form team with limited chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 03, 2018, 10:16:16 PM
I think he will stay he seems to have integrity and he will be great in the championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 03, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
I think he will stay he seems to have integrity and he will be great in the championship.
Sorry but no chance, in a confident attacking side he'd be on 12-16 goals a season in the prem, he has international pedigree
Everton, Burnley ,Watford, West Ham , Valencia, inter, Dortmund would all put the money down for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 03, 2018, 10:26:25 PM
But, given a clear chance, you should think "we must score...". With rondon that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2018, 10:30:13 PM
Rondon would have scored Deeney's goal today but in 3 seasons I don't remember him ever getting a chance that clear cut. I know one thing for sure. The big man would love to play against us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on March 03, 2018, 10:47:10 PM
Troy Deeney has one chance and buries it Rondon can have 4 or 5 chances a game and not take one of them. Lack of goal scoring power is part of the problem as to why we are in the mess with him. He tries bless him but he isn't good enough
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2018, 11:20:22 PM
Listen to Ian Wright and learn.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on March 03, 2018, 11:50:10 PM
Rondon would have scored Deeney's goal today but in 3 seasons I don't remember him ever getting a chance that clear cut. I know one thing for sure. The big man would love to play against us.

Can’t agree at all. He has had loads of easier chances than that and missed the lot. Would you trust him to take a penalty ? I would take a bet he wouldn’t hit the target .For 50 grand a week I would work my nuts off too and would score as many as him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: colinmax on March 04, 2018, 07:18:28 AM
In a one on one situation can you really imagine him chipping the keeper a la Deney or dummying the keeper and walking it into an empty net like the Stoke striker did to Foster.He doesn't have the ball control.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boot2006 on March 04, 2018, 08:19:26 AM
In the current climate it's absolutely ridiculous to give Rondon a hard time.  The team are playing poor, we aren't creating enough chances.  In a good creative team Rondon would easily get 12 - 15 goals a season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on March 04, 2018, 08:29:57 AM
I think he will stay he seems to have integrity and he will be great in the championship.

That says it all really " be great in the championship "
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ripryan1971 on March 04, 2018, 08:33:38 AM
First thing is Rondon should of hit the target and probably scored that header. However i don't think i can slag him off, he gets sod all service, so many crosses in for him hit the first man. His hold up play is superb, if you watch MOTD you will see our midfielders are far too away from him, how the hell can he battle away on his own?

SKY MATCH REPORT


Man of the match - Salomon Rondon
Rondon proved a real handful for the Watford defence all afternoon, drawing a foul and a booking out of Mariappa after half-time.

Salomon Rondon took on more duels, and aerial battles, than any other player
With some better finishing he could have put West Brom ahead, and he had more shots than anyone else on the field.

Even then, his physical presence helped relieve pressure on their defence and allow them to get up-field time after time, and his defending from the front won possession back for the Baggies more than any other player on their side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2018, 08:47:57 AM
Listen to Ian Wright and learn.
That the same Ian Wright who has quietly stopped banging the drum for Saido ? , why would I need to listen to Wright ? . I watch Rondon every game he plays , I know the good things he brings and I know he will never be a natural scorer either .
In a way its not  his fault Williams allowed Pulis to have a squad with himself , HRK and JR as our only attacking options but Rondon simply misses too many key chances for a club like ours.
Average footballer , below average striker , likeable person.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 04, 2018, 09:03:43 AM
Listen to Ian Wright and learn.

Always liked Ian Wright but he is fast becoming a typical 'pundit', wise after the event bull5h!t, one bit of analysis summed it up for me, when Rondon beat the offside & instead of going across the defenders to open up the goal he stayed on the same line before tamely back passing it to their keeper, Wright exclaimed that players (who were trying to catch up with Rondon) should have been 'busting a gut'  ??? well Ian, they feckin were.

As much as I love Rondon, it's time to stop making excuses for him, he had 3 chances yesterday but sadly never looked like scoring any of them.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on March 04, 2018, 09:07:33 AM
At least Ian Wright speaks more sense than Robbie Savage
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 04, 2018, 09:11:11 AM
First thing is Rondon should of hit the target and probably scored that header. However i don't think i can slag him off, he gets sod all service, so many crosses in for him hit the first man. His hold up play is superb, if you watch MOTD you will see our midfielders are far too away from him, how the hell can he battle away on his own?

SKY MATCH REPORT


Man of the match - Salomon Rondon
Rondon proved a real handful for the Watford defence all afternoon, drawing a foul and a booking out of Mariappa after half-time.

Salomon Rondon took on more duels, and aerial battles, than any other player
With some better finishing he could have put West Brom ahead and he had more shots than anyone else on the field.

Even then, his physical presence helped relieve pressure on their defence and allow them to get up-field time after time, and his defending from the front won possession back for the Baggies more than any other player on their side.

Unfortunately this line can be attributed to many games this season (& I'm a Rondon fan), there are many reasons we are in the position we are & not scoring enough goals is very very near the top of the list.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 04, 2018, 09:11:37 AM
Rondon's finishing isn't great but, apart from at set pieces how many of our other players had decent shots on goal yesterday, or at all throughout the season in fact? The responsibility for our lack of goals this season has to be shared throughout the team.

It's very easy to make Rondon the scapegoat for it, but the issue goes much wider than solely being down to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2018, 09:15:32 AM
Rondon's finishing isn't great but, apart from at set pieces how many of our other players had decent shots on goal yesterday, or at all throughout the season in fact? The responsibility for our lack of goals this season has to be shared throughout the team.

It's very easy to make Rondon the scapegoat for it, but the issue goes much wider than solely being down to him.
Hence why I pointed towards Williams and Pulis in my post , fact remains Rondon misses far too many chances for a club like us. His great strength was heading , thats gone now too.
I use Odemwingie as a marker (player not person) , he's a long , long way off Pete for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on March 04, 2018, 09:19:57 AM
I like they guy and appreciate what he does for the team but his finishing is abysmal and there's no doubt his misses have cost us a significant number of points this season. Even his biggest fans must acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 04, 2018, 09:32:48 AM
I like him and would like him to stay,I think he would be a top goalscorer in the championship and as I've preciously stated I think he is a man of integrity and I think that he does have an infinity to our club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2018, 09:32:55 AM
He isnt a great finisher by any stretch...cant deny that, im sure some of the chances missed this season that he SHOULD have scored would have resulted in about another 7-10 points which would still see us in the bottom three or hovering but certainly still in the mix to stay up

That said however, im a fan of Rondon, his tireless running, his hold up play and the fact that he is still getting into the positions to get the chances speaks volumes for me.

I see him as a great strike partner and capable of 10-15 goals in a team that creates lots, isnt hampered by a total loss of squad confidence and has its most creative players playing creating for him. It doesnt help that he is expected to score 2-3 goals every game to keep us in the game at any point during it......

It comes down to a lack of investment in tthe playing staff and not having a decent enough striker to either partner him or push him on to keep his place.

He starts every game for me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 04, 2018, 09:34:04 AM
Rondon would have scored Deeney's goal today but in 3 seasons I don't remember him ever getting a chance that clear cut. I know one thing for sure. The big man would love to play against us.

Selective memory?
In a one on one I'd back the keeper every time
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 04, 2018, 09:39:23 AM
He isnt a great finisher by any stretch...cant deny that, im sure some of the chances missed this season that he SHOULD have scored would have resulted in about another 7-10 points which would still see us in the bottom three or hovering but certainly still in the mix to stay up

That said however, im a fan of Rondon, his tireless running, his hold up play and the fact that he is still getting into the positions to get the chances speaks volumes for me.

I see him as a great strike partner and capable of 10-15 goals in a team that creates lots, isnt hampered by a total loss of squad confidence and has its most creative players playing creating for him. It doesnt help that he is expected to score 2-3 goals every game to keep us in the game at any point during it......

It comes down to a lack of investment in tthe playing staff and not having a decent enough striker to either partner him or push him on to keep his place.

He starts every game for me

Agree entirely, the problems lie in our immobile midfield more than in Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on March 04, 2018, 09:39:43 AM
Selective memory?
In a one on one I'd back the keeper every time


I'll say. Spurs away, Everton at home when he only has to connect with the ball to score. Somehow he managed to miss both.

He'd probably have missed Deeney's chance too certainly no way would he have lifted it like Deeney did, he just doesn't have that sort of composure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on March 04, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
I am not sure he would even score many goals in the Championship as he doesn’t look to have the confidence that a good goalscorer needs. I watched highlights of Bristol City v Sheffield Wednesday yesterday and that Bobby Reid now there is a confident goalscorer. I think Rondon will probably go back to Spain as I dont think that he has really settled in this country. We need to sign a young hungry natural goalscorer like Reid who does not have the baggage that Rondon has.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on March 04, 2018, 09:51:14 AM
In the current climate it's absolutely ridiculous to give Rondon a hard time.  The team are playing poor, we aren't creating enough chances.  In a good creative team Rondon would easily get 12 - 15 goals a season.

Since pulis left we have been creating a lot chances up until the last few weeks anyway.

I can think off the top of my head stoke, spurs, Everton, Watford, Chelsea away when it was 1-0 and West Ham were Rondon has missed not just chances but absolutely game changing sitters.

His finishing abilities is up there with the worst strikers we've had and even the worse strikers we've had recently never had these chances that Rondon has missed.

Take finishing out and His overall game is good and you cannot knock him for effort, the bloke really shows he cares. But you can't get around the fact that he has cost us in a lot of games this season.

Theres various reasons we're going down  from pulis to pardew to not buying a striker in the summer ( which says it all really regards Rondon ) but rondons missed chances is one of them reasons
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 04, 2018, 09:52:28 AM
It comes down to a lack of investment in tthe playing staff and not having a decent enough striker to either partner him or push him on to keep his place.
Indeed and, in addition, it also means that he has to play almost every game and doesn't get chance to recharge his batteries.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 04, 2018, 09:58:39 AM
Every striker misses chances i accept that, but if you look at a great striker Harry Kane he will miss 4or5 chances in a season but score 25+ however Rondon will  score 4  or 5 and miss 20+ that's the only way I can describe it!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2018, 10:22:30 AM
Indeed and, in addition, it also means that he has to play almost every game and doesn't get chance to recharge his batteries.
Well hasn't scored much early season in his time here or  returning when he was left out for HRK last season so I don't really subscribe to that theory. He's simply not a good finisher for all his other good points.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2018, 10:25:45 AM
I also often question his choice making , genuine question in nearly three years how many assists has he got ?
I can think of one to Chadli against West Ham.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 04, 2018, 10:41:27 AM
I also often question his choice making , genuine question in nearly three years how many assists has he got ?
I can think of one to Chadli against West Ham.
Genuine question, until recently,  how often has he had a player alongside him to assist?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2018, 10:46:02 AM
Genuine question, until recently,  how often has he had a player alongside him to assist?
Well those chances he missed this season are coming from somewhere arent they ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on March 04, 2018, 10:48:39 AM
Well those chances he missed this season are coming from somewhere arent they ?
generally crosses tossed into the box or long balls. I can’t think of too many where he’s been slid in by a strike partner.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2018, 10:51:23 AM
generally crosses tossed into the box or long balls. I can’t think of too many where he’s been slid in by a strike partner.
Picked out by Gibbs Yesterday , Phillips away at Spurs and the Everton 5 yarder. Played in by Brunt a lot this season yet doesnt test the keeper enough.
Back to the question , he does a lot of graft but how many assists has he got in three years ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on March 04, 2018, 11:04:03 AM
Well those chances he missed this season are coming from somewhere arent they ?
I think VVV's question was more along the lines of "how often has he had a player alongside him for him (i.e Rondon) to provide assists to?".
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on March 04, 2018, 11:10:04 AM
I think VVV's question was more along the lines of "how often has he had a player alongside him for him (i.e Rondon) to provide assists to?".
Regardless , the chances have been there have they not ? . On the evidence of three years here and especially this season nobody can convince me Rondon is actually a good striker as such . Plenty of effort , great character but certainly not a good striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on March 04, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
As the great bomber keeps on saying,great goal scorers hunt in pairs, where's Rondons strike partner? He ain't got one
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on March 04, 2018, 11:44:59 AM
As the great bomber keeps on saying,great goal scorers hunt in pairs, where's Rondons strike partner? He ain't got one


Rodriguez who is actually our top goalscorer this season so you could actually turn around that question into where is Rodriguez' strike partner?

Just saying.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on March 04, 2018, 11:48:32 AM
as a team we have become one dimensional, watched Burnley yesterday and their midfielders were playing through balls for the forwards to run into which is something we do very little of. yesterday we looked more like a Pulls team in the 1st half where Rondon was isolated and other players too slow to join the attack. how often do our players beat a man out wide to get themselves in the area? we create more chances now but it's still not enough which is why we can't afford strikers missing the chances that come their way. this squad was built to defend and it's main attribute to scoring was from set pieces and even that is restricted to corners these days, how often do we smack a free kick into the back of the net? after Liverpool i thought Pardew had found the formula to get us out this mess but we've looked nothing like that team since.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on March 04, 2018, 11:52:34 AM

Rodriguez who is actually our top goalscorer this season so you could actually turn around that question into where is Rodriguez' strike partner?

Just saying.

Put Rodriguez in a one on one and I'd back him to score - same can't be said for Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 04, 2018, 12:46:16 PM
Put Rodriguez in a one on one and I'd back him to score - same can't be said for Rondon.
Interesting that
Put them both up for sale I think Rondon goes for twice as much.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 17GD on March 04, 2018, 01:22:36 PM
For once I actually agree with the Match of the Day pundits. they said that he didn't have any support or anyone to head the ball on to, some of the midfield were 20 yards away when they needed to be within 10 yards to retrieve the ball.

Then there's the point about when he was breaking forward, no one was supporting him or busting a gut to catch up.

I totally agree that he has missed some great chances to score, but football isn't about one player, and as a team, we've failed all over the pitch this season.

I actually think Rondon will be immense in the championship. He would easily bully and out run championship defenders. If he stays, I back him to score 20 goals next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 04, 2018, 02:10:27 PM
For once I actually agree with the Match of the Day pundits. they said that he didn't have any support or anyone to head the ball on to, some of the midfield were 20 yards away when they needed to be within 10 yards to retrieve the ball.

Then there's the point about when he was breaking forward, no one was supporting him or busting a gut to catch up.

I totally agree that he has missed some great chances to score, but football isn't about one player, and as a team, we've failed all over the pitch this season.

I actually think Rondon will be immense in the championship. He would easily bully and out run championship defenders. If he stays, I back him to score 20 goals next season.
£20.00 says he wouldn't! And I'd love to be proved wrong and gladly pay up but it wouldn't happen,he might, might just get ten.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on March 04, 2018, 02:23:14 PM
£20.00 says he wouldn't! And I'd love to be proved wrong and gladly pay up but it wouldn't happen,he might, might just get ten.

You don't exactly have to be world class to do well in the championship. If you can hassle and harass defenders you'll get enough chances to bag a few goals. Daryl Murphy was one of the most effective strikers at that level in recent years. Back when we were in the championship Roman Bednar was extremely effective and he's nowhere near the level of Rondon.

This is all immaterial mind you, Rondon almost certainly won't be here next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ripryan1971 on March 04, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
Simple fact is he needs more service, look at the 2 brighton wide how many balls they get into the box for Murray, Burnley do the same for there forward aswell.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on March 04, 2018, 02:37:27 PM
Simple fact is he needs more service, look at the 2 brighton wide how many balls they get into the box for Murray, Burnley do the same for there forward aswell.


For the Murray goal see Rondon chance yesterday.

Too many excuses are being made. When he gets the service he misses.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on March 04, 2018, 06:02:57 PM
Today was a perfect example of why Rondon is not up to it as our No.9. The header on the edge of the 6 yard box was an absolute sitter, yet he manages to head it with his shoulder. A Prem League striker needs to be burying those, but it's just another in the long string of sitters he's missed all season. I think he has problems anticipating the ball. He panics at the last second. Not a great fan of Deeney but he is a finisher. Classic case of one on one with the keeper. Does he panic? No. He calmly assesses the situation and waits for the right moment to lob Foster. If that chance had fallen to Rondon, panic mode, blasts a shot, into Row Z or straight at keeper.
That's why Watford beat us yesterday. Simple as. When Sturridge is fit, has to replace Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on March 04, 2018, 06:25:11 PM
Today was a perfect example of why Rondon is not up to it as our No.9. The header on the edge of the 6 yard box was an absolute sitter, yet he manages to head it with his shoulder. A Prem League striker needs to be burying those, but it's just another in the long string of sitters he's missed all season. I think he has problems anticipating the ball. He panics at the last second. Not a great fan of Deeney but he is a finisher. Classic case of one on one with the keeper. Does he panic? No. He calmly assesses the situation and waits for the right moment to lob Foster. If that chance had fallen to Rondon, panic mode, blasts a shot, into Row Z or straight at keeper.
That's why Watford beat us yesterday. Simple as. When Sturridge is fit, has to replace Rondon.

true but only up to a point where are the others who are supposed to score and we lost yesterday because of woeful midfield cockup and generally inept tactics
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on March 04, 2018, 06:53:41 PM

To wodenson:
Yeah, but it comes down to who gets the chances. Most of them will come to Rondon because that's the part of the pitch he plays in. If you're saying we should have created more chances, I'll agree with you. Most of the chances came from Phillips down the right side, but we needed more from the rest of the midfield. However, we still had enough chances to get a result yesterday, and I'm afraid most of the blame has to come down to Rondon for missing them. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on March 05, 2018, 03:49:36 PM
Rondon himself would agree he has had some inexcusable misses this season. His miss on Saturday was shocking considering he had had a very active start to the second half with a couple of shots on target. However, miss me with this "Rondon has cost us points" lazy novel. Yes he absolutely should had gotten us a 1-0 lead on Saturday BUT he actually accomplished that very feat vs Watford earlier in the season and at Spurs and THE TEAM still managed to give away 2 points each time.

And before some of you scream about he should had scored at the end of the Spurs game, I certainly don't sign up to slate the guy for missing a contested shot in the 94th minute after he ran his socks off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 05, 2018, 04:39:14 PM
To be clear at the outset I like Rondon,
Genuine question, when he is so separated from the midfield should he drop deeper to link up better, thus enabling midfield to get beyond him?
Just because the defenders sits deep does he HAVE to go up against them?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on March 05, 2018, 05:33:01 PM
To wodenson:
Yeah, but it comes down to who gets the chances. Most of them will come to Rondon because that's the part of the pitch he plays in. If you're saying we should have created more chances, I'll agree with you. Most of the chances came from Phillips down the right side, but we needed more from the rest of the midfield. However, we still had enough chances to get a result yesterday, and I'm afraid most of the blame has to come down to Rondon for missing them.
Alex1 I generally agree with you on this but all strikers actually miss a lot more than they score, and sometimes nothing goes right however hard they try. Yes Rondon seems to have missed plenty but keeps on trying to get in the right place to have a try at the few chances per match we do make which is more than most of the others. Do you see Sturridge playing the same role as a Rondon type player, or will we need to set up a lot differently. And if so do we have the players able  to adjust?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on March 05, 2018, 06:12:46 PM
Rondon himself would agree he has had some inexcusable misses this season. His miss on Saturday was shocking considering he had had a very active start to the second half with a couple of shots on target. However, miss me with this "Rondon has cost us points" lazy novel. Yes he absolutely should had gotten us a 1-0 lead on Saturday BUT he actually accomplished that very feat vs Watford earlier in the season and at Spurs and THE TEAM still managed to give away 2 points each time.

And before some of you scream about he should had scored at the end of the Spurs game, I certainly don't sign up to slate the guy for missing a contested shot in the 94th minute after he ran his socks off.

But he's only scored 4 league goals all season and played most games. I know he runs his socks off, but where has it got us?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on March 05, 2018, 07:15:34 PM
But he's only scored 4 league goals all season and played most games. I know he runs his socks off, but where has it got us?

We agree on:

- He's played most games.
- He hasn't scored enough goals.
- He runs his socks off.

Not sure where you're trying to go with "where has it got us?". Are you suggesting playing someone else ON THIS ROSTER the same amount of games would had resulted in more goals?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 05, 2018, 07:35:43 PM
I watch a lot of Malaga games so was delighted when we signed Rondon and still feel that given the right service he would score goals for us. Yes he misses chances which when you only get 1/2 a game gets noticed but if he was putting away every chance he got then he wouldn't be playing for a club like us.

Another who will go elsewhere and start scoring again to be added to the list of goalscorers over the years who join us and goals dry up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on March 05, 2018, 07:53:47 PM
We agree on:

- He's played most games.
- He hasn't scored enough goals.
- He runs his socks off.

Not sure where you're trying to go with "where has it got us?". Are you suggesting playing someone else ON THIS ROSTER the same amount of games would had resulted in more goals?
I'd like to see Sturridge in for Rondon. Obviously, you have the fitness issue with Sturridge, but if he can get a run of games, he could still beat Rondon's goal tally.
If we get relegated, I wouldn't be sad to see the back of Rondon, if we can get a decent price for him. I'm sure we could get a more goal productive replacement. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 05, 2018, 08:51:27 PM
I watch a lot of Malaga games so was delighted when we signed Rondon and still feel that given the right service he would score goals for us. Yes he misses chances which when you only get 1/2 a game gets noticed but if he was putting away every chance he got then he wouldn't be playing for a club like us.

Another who will go elsewhere and start scoring again to be added to the list of goalscorers over the years who join us and goals dry up.

I think you are being too kind. I think the pressure of playing in the premier in front of vast TV audiences is getting to him. Each big miss compounds his misery (look at him at the end of the Watford game). A return of 4 goals is simply not good enough for any striker in the premier especially when he is so dominant in our set up. I agree with you he could move to another club (not premier) and start scoring again but that would be down to lower stress levels as much as anything else. sadly he needs replacing for next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 05, 2018, 08:56:13 PM
I think you are being too kind. I think the pressure of playing in the premier in front of vast TV audiences is getting to him. Each big miss compounds his misery (look at him at the end of the Watford game). A return of 4 goals is simply not good enough for any striker in the premier especially when he is so dominant in our set up. I agree with you he could move to another club (not premier) and start scoring again but that would be down to lower stress levels as much as anything else. sadly he needs replacing for next season.

Maybe I am too kind but I feel for the bloke, the service he gets in the main is shocking. I don't think its a pressure thing as its not as though he hasn't played at decent levels before coming here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on March 05, 2018, 09:07:01 PM
I'd like to see Sturridge in for Rondon. Obviously, you have the fitness issue with Sturridge, but if he can get a run of games, he could still beat Rondon's goal tally.
If we get relegated, I wouldn't be sad to see the back of Rondon, if we can get a decent price for him. I'm sure we could get a more goal productive replacement.

ah see but unlike with Sturridge, you can pretty much count on Rondon to be be available on gameday, regardless of the fact he runs his socks off. I wouldn't be opposed to Sturridge and Rodriguez getting the call (I disagreed with J-Rod being benched when Sturridge was put in the XI) but we don't seem to be able to successfully run a 4-4-2 and AP hasn't shown any signs of wanting to try a 3-5-2. Sturridge in a 4-5-1 with THIS squad? He won't get the support to score the goals and he I can't see him doing the work on the holdup game that Rondon does.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Stars_in_Stripes on March 07, 2018, 08:35:07 PM
Thrupney bit head..
Fifty pence chest...
and..
New One Pound coin feet.

This evening I have heard comments that Rondon is an ideal centre forward, but one that does not score goals! and whilst I can see that you can contribute as a forward without being prolific, I can't see what Salomon brings to the party any more. I also believe that recent mangers have tried to shape a team around Rondon and that this has been counter productive, an example in point to demonstrate this, WBA/Rodriguez vs Liverpool in the cup  when we looked much more of a collective and more threatening, though since then  Rodriquez himself has not been any where near his 'A' game most likely due to the shape/set up of the team

I, like others have great affection for Rondon and will support him till the end. He does without doubt work very hard, is always respect full and appears most crest fallen when we lose, but the lack of goals and composure in front of goal, along with a lack of alternative options (poor January) upfront not to mention  injuries and a reluctance to change things, has cost us a place at the top table, as I am certain that we are now doomed!

Much more spring like today though, 11 degrees in the Wyre Forest! I am off for a Chinese1
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on March 10, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
Third time this season Rondon gives us a lead and we give it away. But when he misses chances fans want to claim he was the reason we lost points.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 10, 2018, 04:29:36 PM
Third time this season Rondon gives us a lead and we give it away. But when he misses chances fans want to claim he was the reason we lost points.


Been brilliant today mate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on March 10, 2018, 05:32:15 PM

Been brilliant today mate.

He happened to score a goal, nothing else he did was much good. He still can’t control the ball.

Easiest game Wes Morgan will have all season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 10, 2018, 05:47:44 PM
But he will be great in the championship,I hope he stays for one more season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on March 10, 2018, 06:02:21 PM
Probably best player on the pitch today with Greg. Shame about the rest of them
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 10, 2018, 06:03:05 PM
Probably best player on the pitch today with Greg. Shame about the rest of them


Yep. Burke was decent too until he ran out of steam.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 10, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
He's scored 22 goals in 100 games for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2018, 06:57:56 PM
One of the only players who would deserve a move to a decent team when we go down.

Gives his all every week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on March 10, 2018, 07:10:33 PM
He's scored 22 goals in 100 games for us.

That's nearly 1 in 4. Hardly prolific but considering most of that was under Pulis hardly surprising. He will have no shortages of premier league suitors next season.
Not bad for someone who some insist is the worse striker we've ever had. Come the summer we will see where he ends up - plenty of teams would gladly take Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on March 21, 2018, 08:03:22 PM
Me and a fellow kid a Baggies fan were discussing him and said if he had finished half of his chances we wouldn't be in this mess. And well I said I wouldn't mind him next season to which The fellow Baggies fan said he will leave and can as he couldn't A barn door and said he probably couldn't hit a Dogs B*****s
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on March 21, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
again, 3 of his 5 league goals have given us 1-0 leads we failed to hang on to. The argument that "if he had finished half of his chances we wouldn't be in this mess" is short-sighted and seems to want to give a break to the other 10 guys on the field for reasons that can't be logically explained.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2018, 09:46:55 PM
again, 3 of his 5 league goals have given us 1-0 leads we failed to hang on to. The argument that "if he had finished half of his chances we wouldn't be in this mess" is short-sighted and seems to want to give a break to the other 10 guys on the field for reasons that can't be logically explained.
Those 9 points would have been pivotal, I have to agree with you on this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 22, 2018, 02:33:06 AM
I'm not doubting his commitment; he runs himself ragged every game; but he is not a number 9 by any means. He is a great hold up player and causes lots of problems for defenders,  but he lacks a killer instinct in front of goal. Reminds me of Garry Thompson.
If we could get a solid center forward alongside Rondon we could be looking at a dangerous front line assuming we can keep him for next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 22, 2018, 09:25:00 AM
I'm not doubting his commitment; he runs himself ragged every game; but he is not a number 9 by any means. He is a great hold up player and causes lots of problems for defenders,  but he lacks a killer instinct in front of goal. Reminds me of Garry Thompson.
If we could get a solid center forward alongside Rondon we could be looking at a dangerous front line assuming we can keep him for next season.
I know its hypothetical BUT imagine SKP in his pomp and Rondon together, that would be approaching as good as Bomber / The King. (maybe stretching that a bit too far), would be a serious partnership though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on March 22, 2018, 12:08:56 PM
In his one game for us at number 9, Bryan Robson scored 3.
Rondon will never be a striker as long as he has a hole in his backside.
Doubt he would be any different in the championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on March 22, 2018, 02:26:31 PM
In his one game for us at number 9, Bryan Robson scored 3.
Rondon will never be a striker as long as he has a hole in his backside.
Doubt he would be any different in the championship.

I agree, if anyone came in with a plus £10 million offer I'd snap their hands off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 22, 2018, 04:59:20 PM
I say keep him,great in championship for us
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scruffy Stan on March 22, 2018, 05:34:10 PM
I'm not sure about this view that he'll rip up the championship. The goals are the same size as in the prem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on March 22, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
I agree, if anyone came in with a plus £10 million offer I'd snap their hands off.

At that price he will flyout the club " cheap as chips"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on March 22, 2018, 07:47:41 PM
I'm not sure about this view that he'll rip up the championship. The goals are the same size as in the prem.
kamara scored for fun in the championship and was garbage at premier league level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2018, 08:03:31 PM
Pointless line of thought. Because Rondon won't ever play a Championship match for us or anyone else.


Will leave at the end of the season for anything upto £35 million (Slimani fee).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 22, 2018, 09:54:32 PM
Pointless line of thought. Because Rondon won't ever play a Championship match for us or anyone else.


Will leave at the end of the season for anything upto £35 million (Slimani fee).
I sincerely hope you are right Jacko.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 22, 2018, 11:45:19 PM
Pointless line of thought. Because Rondon won't ever play a Championship match for us or anyone else.


Will leave at the end of the season for anything upto £35 million (Slimani fee).
I sincerely hope you're wrong Jacko (that he leaves, I mean)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on March 23, 2018, 05:24:34 PM
3.5 million more like never anywhere near 35 million . No where near good enough .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on March 23, 2018, 05:34:36 PM
3.5 million more like never anywhere near 35 million . No where near good enough .

You'd be surprised at what people will pay. He won't go for less than we paid for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 23, 2018, 05:50:34 PM
You'd be surprised at what people will pay. He won't go for less than we paid for him.
Correct. Premier experience ups the price considerably.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on March 23, 2018, 07:10:04 PM
We will get a good fee for him, the prem is full of expensive players who aren’t actually very good.... what worries me is who’s going to scout the replacements, spend wisely and rebuild and it could be a blessing going down, sell our flops and replace with more dross and we will do a Sunderland.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on March 23, 2018, 10:58:06 PM
Hope we do get good money for him just cant see it . But will money be spent on new players or towards money we lost from going down 😧
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on March 24, 2018, 01:40:09 AM
Rondon will go for £20-£25m. Remember these are PL clubs with PL money and Rondon has a good rep with regards to his work rate and target man ability.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on March 24, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
Rondon will go for £20-£25m. Remember these are PL clubs with PL money and Rondon has a good rep with regards to his work rate and target man ability

We have scored just 24 goals in 31 games, the worst record in the league. Rondon has scored just 5 goals. We're getting relegated as a result of not scoring enough (anyone remember the last time we scored twice in the league in a match?). I hope your right and PL clubs are willing to pay big money to sign a striker who doesn't score many. I can't see why they would be looking to replicate our model of failure.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on March 24, 2018, 04:40:08 PM
I honestly fail to understand how so many of our fans hold Rondon in such high esteem. Hard and honest worker maybe, but he's an awful striker, always offside and a poor decision maker regarding players around him. I doubt we'll get anything north of £10 million at best, and he'll likely end up back in South America or somewhere in Europe.
Surely there must be exciting, raw and hungry young talent in the lower leagues or abroad we could invest in?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on March 24, 2018, 08:59:58 PM
Surprised at how out of touch a few of our fans still are when it comes to today's transfer fees. Rondon will go for north of £20m.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 25, 2018, 06:27:06 AM
Somebody like fenerbache or galtassary or big German French or Spanish clubs if not prem will come in for him. We will make our money back if not more unless he has a crazy release clause like Evans.

I very much doubt he will be here next year
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on March 25, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
I'll give you £20 for him😁. make a killing trotting the kiddies up & down barmouth beach.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 25, 2018, 05:36:44 PM
I'll give you £20 for him😁. make a killing trotting the kiddies up & down barmouth beach.
Never a truer word spoken in jest.Top post
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 25, 2018, 06:42:12 PM
I honestly fail to understand how so many of our fans hold Rondon in such high esteem. Hard and honest worker maybe, but he's an awful striker, always offside and a poor decision maker regarding players around him. I doubt we'll get anything north of £10 million at best, and he'll likely end up back in South America or somewhere in Europe.
Surely there must be exciting, raw and hungry young talent in the lower leagues or abroad we could invest in?

Because the problem does not lie with Rondon, the lack of creativity and pace in midfield is to blame for 90% of our demise, any fool can see that!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on March 25, 2018, 07:29:23 PM
Because the problem does not lie with Rondon, the lack of creativity and pace in midfield is to blame for 90% of our demise, any fool can see that!
Yes it does when chances are created he misses, his positioning is non existence and i would never ever back him in a one to one with the keeper! And people who think we will get £20+ million are IMO going to be very disappointed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 26, 2018, 10:59:30 AM
Because the problem does not lie with Rondon, the lack of creativity and pace in midfield is to blame for 90% of our demise, any fool can see that!

That would be true if Rondon didn't miss comfortable chance after chance.  (I like Rondon but nobody can say his finishing is up to scratch).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alwaysbilly on March 26, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
How confident would we be that if Solo gave us till Xmas in the Championship he would be in the top goal scorers charts?
Is he a confidence player?
If he and Rod started up top we could argue we’d have one of the best pairings at that level - add a young up and coming and HRK and who knows.

I’d like to see him spearhead next season and see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on March 26, 2018, 04:56:31 PM
Because the problem does not lie with Rondon, the lack of creativity and pace in midfield is to blame for 90% of our demise, any fool can see that!

No need to call me a fool. I've also longed campaigned on here about our shocking lack of pace and creativity. As others have said, whenever he is presented with an opportunity he more often than not misses it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2018, 05:04:00 PM
No need to call me a fool. I've also longed campaigned on here about our shocking lack of pace and creativity. As others have said, whenever he is presented with an opportunity he more often than not misses it.


This is true of every striker to ever lace on a pair of football boots...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on March 26, 2018, 06:11:57 PM

This is true of every striker to ever lace on a pair of football boots...

Yes of course, I completely agree. But I never fancy him to score in any situation whatsoever. I think we should have a poll of who would keep Rondon as our main striker in the Championship. The goals are exactly the same size.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2018, 06:27:58 PM
Yes of course, I completely agree. But I never fancy him to score in any situation whatsoever. I think we should have a poll of who would keep Rondon as our main striker in the Championship. The goals are exactly the same size.


Firstly would be a pointless poll as it matters little what the fans think, Rondon won't be staying.


As for this goals the same size rubbish, I've seen it from a few people, it's nothing to do with the goals: it's inferior goalkeepers and defenders, more time and space, double or even triple the clear chances created that make the difference between the Championship and the Premier League as a striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on March 26, 2018, 06:47:06 PM

Firstly would be a pointless poll as it matters little what the fans think, Rondon won't be staying.


As for this goals the same size rubbish, I've seen it from a few people, it's nothing to do with the goals: it's inferior goalkeepers and defenders, more time and space, double or even triple the clear chances created that make the difference between the Championship and the Premier League as a striker.

Well I certainly hope you're right on that one!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on March 26, 2018, 06:55:05 PM

Firstly would be a pointless poll as it matters little what the fans think, Rondon won't be staying.


As for this goals the same size rubbish, I've seen it from a few people, it's nothing to do with the goals: it's inferior goalkeepers and defenders, more time and space, double or even triple the clear chances created that make the difference between the Championship and the Premier League as a striker.

Do you really think the premier league is that superior? I think its the worst I've ever known the top flight to be.....other than the obvious stand-outs of Man City, Spurs and Liverpool its full of awful talentless players with no flair to excite the fans and neutrals alike. I really cant see that much difference between the bulk of the prem and the bulk of the championship in terms of quality.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2018, 07:38:00 PM
Do you really think the premier league is that superior? I think its the worst I've ever known the top flight to be.....other than the obvious stand-outs of Man City, Spurs and Liverpool its full of awful talentless players with no flair to excite the fans and neutrals alike. I really cant see that much difference between the bulk of the prem and the bulk of the championship in terms of quality.

Who can be coached to defend pretty well.

Hodgson, Allardyce, Moyes Dyche & Pulis et al have all made small fortunes from it.

I don't agree with Jacko on a lot of things, but he's right that it's far more difficult to score in the Premier League than the Championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 27, 2018, 01:40:04 PM
Do you really think the premier league is that superior? I think its the worst I've ever known the top flight to be.....other than the obvious stand-outs of Man City, Spurs and Liverpool its full of awful talentless players with no flair to excite the fans and neutrals alike. I really cant see that much difference between the bulk of the prem and the bulk of the championship in terms of quality.

last season Newcastle scored 85 goals in 46 games , so far this season they have scored 30 in 30 games, Brighton scored 74 last season and 28 in 30 games so far this season and Huddersfield scored 56 last season and only 25 in 31 games so far this season.

I appreciate they played more games last season but they have all scored less than 50% of the total they scored in the Championship, so yes it is harder to score in the Prem than the Championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 27, 2018, 03:43:23 PM

Firstly would be a pointless poll as it matters little what the fans think, Rondon won't be staying.


As for this goals the same size rubbish, I've seen it from a few people, it's nothing to do with the goals: it's inferior goalkeepers and defenders, more time and space, double or even triple the clear chances created that make the difference between the Championship and the Premier League as a striker.
Chris Wood scored 27 in one season for Leeds two seasons ago. it would take Rondon four or five seasons to do that because what you fail to realize is he couldn't hit a F**king barn door.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on March 27, 2018, 05:37:11 PM
Of course it’s easier to score in the Championship. Those suggesting it’s the same because the goals are the same size are completely missing the concept that across all football in the world there is something called ‘standards’.

Goals all over the world are the same size but the quality of players and play is the most important factor. Suggesting otherwise is like suggesting that an amateur can play in the PL because he has good shot accuracy. It’ll never happen.

Rondon is far from perfect but as a talisman who will create chances for others he’s is perfect for a mid to lower PL club. That’s the level of club that will come in for him and we’ll get £20m+ for him.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he needs lonliness counselling after his time with us comes to an end.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 27, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Of course it’s easier to score in the Championship. Those suggesting it’s the same because the goals are the same size are completely missing the concept that across all football in the world there is something called ‘standards’.

Goals all over the world are the same size but the quality of players and play is the most important factor. Suggesting otherwise is like suggesting that an amateur can play in the PL because he has good shot accuracy. It’ll never happen.

Rondon is far from perfect but as a talisman who will create chances for others he’s is perfect for a mid to lower PL club. That’s the level of club that will come in for him and we’ll get £20m+ for him.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he needs lonliness counselling after his time with us comes to an end.

Most of Rondons misses do not even work the goal keeper so on that basis his goal convertions to goal attempts is unlikely to improve
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on March 27, 2018, 07:54:50 PM
As a talisman who will create chances for others he’s is perfect for a mid to lower PL club. That’s the level of club that will come in for him and we’ll get £20m+ for him.

The only thing Rondon creates is clean sheets for opposition defences.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on March 27, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
Most of Rondons misses do not even work the goal keeper so on that basis his goal convertions to goal attempts is unlikely to improve

It’s not him vs the goalkeeper though is it. There are 10 other opposition players trying to get the ball off of him. In the PL those 10 others players are of a higher standard than in the Championship. So they are better positioned, better tacklers etc to prevent or pressurise the shot on goal. Come on this isn’t hard. Look at Mitrovic’s form for Fulham. Look at Championship strikers who don’t step up to PL.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on March 28, 2018, 02:09:09 AM
Chris Wood scored 27 in one season for Leeds two seasons ago. it would take Rondon four or five seasons to do that because what you fail to realize is he couldn't hit a F**king barn door.

Chris Wood has 7 PL goals this season. Rondon has 5.

Jacko and a number of others have pointed out the simple fact that it is easier to score in the Championship, I struggle to see why anyone is arguing? Highlighting that Chris Wood scored 27 just further confirms that they are right.

Rondon won't be here next season because he is better than Championship level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on March 28, 2018, 08:00:17 AM
Chris Wood has 7 PL goals this season. Rondon has 5.

Jacko and a number of others have pointed out the simple fact that it is easier to score in the Championship, I struggle to see why anyone is arguing? Highlighting that Chris Wood scored 27 just further confirms that they are right.

Rondon won't be here next season because he is better than Championship level.

The fact that the likes of Chris Wood, Sam Vokes and Glen Murray seem capable of doing it doesn’t really show someone like Rondon in very good light. I’d consider all of them as championship players at best.

Rondon wouldn’t score 27 goals for us in the championship and Chris Wood was deemed not to be good enough for us years ago.

There’s a lot of non goalscoring strikers in the prem who steal a living and I agree that Rondon will end up at another mid to low club next year doing exactly the same as he has done for us for the last 15 months.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on March 28, 2018, 08:45:29 AM
Rondon won't be here next season because he is better than Championship level.

Better than championship level because he’s flopped in the premiership? Interesting. I hope your right and he is off. I also hope that Jacko is right and that a host of top clubs in Spain, Germany and France playing in europe will form an orderly queue to sign him for £35m.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 28, 2018, 08:50:53 AM
Better than championship level because he’s flopped in the premiership? Interesting. I hope your right and he is off. I also hope that Jacko is right and that a host of top clubs in Spain, Germany and France playing in europe will form an orderly queue to sign him for £35m.

Never mind the queue just say the first offer of that magnitude can have him, don't mess about like they did with the fat boy
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on March 28, 2018, 09:10:45 AM
Can’t believe how much of a hammering one of the only players that visibly gives a damn is getting.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 28, 2018, 09:29:52 AM
Chris Wood has 7 PL goals this season. Rondon has 5.

Jacko and a number of others have pointed out the simple fact that it is easier to score in the Championship, I struggle to see why anyone is arguing? Highlighting that Chris Wood scored 27 just further confirms that they are right.

Rondon won't be here next season because he is better than Championship level.
Don't know how you have the cheek to compare Wood's 7 goals in 17 appearances to Rondon's 5 in 33 appearances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on March 28, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
Wonder who will be in for him in the summer as the rats start to jump the sinking ship ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 28, 2018, 12:12:54 PM
Can’t believe how much of a hammering one of the only players that visibly gives a damn is getting.

True he does give a damn, but every player has their price and if someone comes in with a daft offer then it has to be considered.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 28, 2018, 12:42:19 PM
Can’t believe how much of a hammering one of the only players that visibly gives a damn is getting.

The amount of stick Rondon gets from our fans is quite ridiculous really. I barely listen to it anymore. I tend to find that it comes from the same people who criticised Lukaku when he was here and said he wouldn't be good enough...

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 28, 2018, 12:45:37 PM
The amount of stick Rondon gets from our fans is quite ridiculous really. I barely listen to it anymore. I tend to find that it comes from the same people who criticised Lukaku when he was here and said he wouldn't be good enough...
With you on this one, there will be a lot of humble pie being eaten when the lad is in a side which plays to his strengths.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 28, 2018, 12:49:15 PM
With you on this one, there will be a lot of humble pie being eaten when the lad is in a side which plays to his strengths.

Which isn't in-front of goal
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on March 28, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
As someone who remembers Paul Williams and Colin West well , all I'll say is Rondon is great! He seems a lovely bloke and is a decent enough player for me - cost the same as Ollie Burke!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 28, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
Which isn't in-front of goal
Lets have this discussion in 12 months when we have seen hi either in the chumps or another team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on March 28, 2018, 01:13:45 PM
The amount of stick Rondon gets from our fans is quite ridiculous really. I barely listen to it anymore. I tend to find that it comes from the same people who criticised Lukaku when he was here and said he wouldn't be good enough...

For the record I thought Lukuku was brilliant for us, I was gutted when Everton signed him and I also thought Pete was brilliant and annoyed when he got shunted out wide by Roy. Rondon on the other hand has never been good enough, similar to Shane Long, works hard but isn't a goalscorer or a natural footballer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 28, 2018, 01:20:48 PM
For the record I thought Lukuku was brilliant for us, I was gutted when Everton signed him and I also thought Pete was brilliant and annoyed when he got shunted out wide by Roy. Rondon on the other hand has never been good enough, similar to Shane Long, works hard but isn't a goalscorer or a natural footballer.

I never have a problem with those criticising Rondon, or any player, where it is appropriate. I am a massive Rondon fan and can admit his finishing is next to useless a lot of the time, but it is those who will criticise him regardless that drive me mad. He wins 5 headers out of 5, but as soon as he loses that sixth header you hear the usual suspects all piping up with 'he's rubbish', whilst Rodriguez will lose the ball time and time again and not a peep is uttered.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on March 28, 2018, 02:21:46 PM
As someone who remembers Paul Williams and Colin West well , all I'll say is Rondon is great! He seems a lovely bloke and is a decent enough player for me - cost the same as Ollie Burke!!!

Broke out in a cold sweat at the mere sight of those names.

I remember seeing a Rangers fan once wearing a tee shirt saying 'I've seen Colin West score'......that's how bad it was then!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on March 28, 2018, 05:53:32 PM
True he does give a damn, but every player has their price and if someone comes in with a daft offer then it has to be considered.

I completely agree with you.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on April 01, 2018, 03:12:14 AM
I will be interested to see if we manage to keep hold of him. For his lack of quality at times I do feel he would be an asset in the championship and atleast he seems to care unlike alot of this lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 01, 2018, 04:24:58 AM
I would be trying to keep him. If he's on say 50-60k then he will be on 25-30k with us in the championship. Not an unreasonable salary to be paying him - as long as he doesnt try and force a move.

I agree we need to rebuild the squad but i think most of our resources should be diverted to midfiield where we are desperate for an overhaul.

We would hopefully sell Evans, Chadli, Gibbs and unfortunately Dawson will probably be off. Thats is enough money to plug the gap i would have thought.

I dont think top Championship strikers are that abundant so i would try Rondon and Rodriguez next season and scout a young lower league or european striker as back up to them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on April 01, 2018, 09:58:47 AM
Agree with Hampshire. I would just say, that as bad as the game was yesterday, Rondon gave his all during the game and then stayed on the pitch at the end until the stadium was empty. Brunt stayed a while but the rest of them were down the tunnel as soon as the ref blew his whistle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on April 01, 2018, 10:24:50 AM
Would probably be the best striker in the Chmpionship if he stayed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 01, 2018, 01:56:03 PM
Would probably be the best striker in the Chmpionship if he stayed

Comfortably. No chance he stays, though. He will find far better than us and hopefully a fan base who appreciates him instead of our lot who give him dogs abuse despite him probably being our best player this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 01, 2018, 04:51:25 PM
Comfortably. No chance he stays, though. He will find far better than us and hopefully a fan base who appreciates him instead of our lot who give him dogs abuse despite him probably being our best player this season.

Talk about rose tinted glasses. Did you appreciate it when he kicked the ball straight into the Halfords yesterday whilst attempting a ten yard pass? He took his goal well in the second half to be fair to him. Our best player this season has been Dawson IMV. Not that there has been a wide choice of quality to pick from.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on April 01, 2018, 04:58:54 PM
Talk about rose tinted glasses. Did you appreciate it when he kicked the ball straight into the Halfords yesterday whilst attempting a ten yard pass? He took his goal well in the second half to be fair to him. Our best player this season has been Dawson IMV. Not that there has been a wide choice of quality to pick from.

At least he is still trying.A lot  of our players have simply given up and the Head Coach is hanging onto his monthly pay for dear life!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 01, 2018, 05:03:10 PM
At least he is still trying.A lot  of our players have simply given up and the Head Coach is hanging onto his monthly pay for dear life!

They all should be trying. Yes he does put a shift in but a lot of the running around is a smokescreen for the lack of quality. Shane Long ran around a lot, to no effect though. Your right some of the other players have no heart, Gibbs being a prime example. Doesn't make Rondon any more clinical sadly. Ultimately when you look at the stats our biggest problem is scoring goals and Rondon has played his part in that as he's not up to scratch. I hope he has a purple patch between now and May as it could help drive up some interest in him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on April 01, 2018, 05:10:30 PM
They all should be trying. Yes he does put a shift in but a lot of the running around is a smokescreen for the lack of quality. Shane Long ran around a lot, to no effect though. Your right some of the other players have no heart, Gibbs being a prime example. Doesn't make Rondon any more clinical sadly. Ultimately when you look at the stats our biggest problem is scoring goals and Rondon has played his part in that as he's not up to scratch. I hope he has a purple patch between now and May as it could help drive up some interest in him.

As you say baggie82 they should all be trying but they aint. You might think Rondon is cack but would you rather see a player give 100% and get nowhere than a player who does not and gets nowhere?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on April 01, 2018, 05:11:31 PM
They all should be trying. Yes he does put a shift in but a lot of the running around is a smokescreen for the lack of quality. Shane Long ran around a lot, to no effect though. Your right some of the other players have no heart, Gibbs being a prime example. Doesn't make Rondon any more clinical sadly. Ultimately when you look at the stats our biggest problem is scoring goals and Rondon has played his part in that as he's not up to scratch. I hope he has a purple patch between now and May as it could help drive up some interest in him.

not up to scratch - how many gilt edged chances have our "midfield" being serving up for him?  We are playing slightly more attacking which is why he's lifted his scoring rate over the 2nd half of the season.  Under Pulis we were playing very negative and he was literally feeding off scraps.

Check on the assists count for the likes of Livermore, Barry and Yacob this season.  Brunt will be highest I guess.

Rondon is the last player due for criticism.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 01, 2018, 05:17:36 PM
not up to scratch - how many gilt edged chances have our "midfield" being serving up for him?  We are playing slightly more attacking which is why he's lifted his scoring rate over the 2nd half of the season.  Under Pulis we were playing very negative and he was literally feeding off scraps.

Check on the assists count for the likes of Livermore, Barry and Yacob this season.  Brunt will be highest I guess.

Rondon is the last player due for criticism.

Look he's just not good enough, but your more than entitled to disagree with me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 01, 2018, 05:20:05 PM
As you say baggie82 they should all be trying but they aint. You might think Rondon is cack but would you rather see a player give 100% and get nowhere than a player who does not and gets nowhere?

Not a fantastic choice really Gerry. Invariably you can motivate or coach a player to run around a lot but you can't coach ability. The whole squad needs a massive overall. Hopefully Rondon can score a few in the game remaining and we can get a good fee for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on April 01, 2018, 05:22:04 PM
Look he's just not good enough, but your more than entitled to disagree with me.

No problem baggie82. It's all about opinions.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2018, 05:27:37 PM
Not a chance he'll be here next season, plenty of clubs will be lining up to sign him. Poor finisher but plenty of premier league strikers have had very good careers and been poor finishers. Him and Evans are the only players i'm certain won't be here next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 01, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
He's not been used correctly since he's been here, but if we get somebody to play with him he could be great next year.

It's the ones we don't want to lose who will attract the most attention though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on April 01, 2018, 05:30:27 PM
Look he's just not good enough, but your more than entitled to disagree with me.

Not good enough for what league the Premier League or Championship?
As we are practically relegated I think we should be looking at the latter category.

You say the attack is the main problem, I don't think so under Pardew.  Last 8 league games 20 goals conceded averaging 2.5 per game.  6 goals scored but we were averaging <1 goal a game anyway.

Pardew utterly incapable of organising a defence and setting up a balanced midfield in front of it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 01, 2018, 05:35:31 PM
Not good enough for what league the Premier League or Championship?
As we are practically relegated I think we should be looking at the latter category.

You say the attack is the main problem, I don't think so under Pardew.  Last 8 league games 20 goals conceded averaging 2.5 per game.  6 goals scored but we were averaging <1 goal a game anyway.

Pardew utterly incapable of organising a defence and setting up a balanced midfield in front of it.

Well we have not been able to score any goals for about the last 18 months. Your right to say that the defence is now also a shambles, not that our goal output has changed much at the other end. As much as I don't rate Rondon I would be surprised if he's not sold in the summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on April 01, 2018, 05:49:41 PM
Well we have not been able to score any goals for about the last 18 months. Your right to say that the defence is now also a shambles, not that our goal output has changed much at the other end. As much as I don't rate Rondon I would be surprised if he's not sold in the summer.

Agreed on the goal output.  Poor midfield ever since Mulumbu left and he's not been replaced.

I can see a Premier League club taking a chance on Rondon someone like Brighton or one of the 3 promoted clubs. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 01, 2018, 05:59:36 PM
Agreed on the goal output.  Poor midfield ever since Mulumbu left and he's not been replaced.

I can see a Premier League club taking a chance on Rondon someone like Brighton or one of the 3 promoted clubs.
Not 3 just 2 because one will be the Dingles and after Rondon is showing he his committed I would not like him leaving us for them and Scoring for Them But not Us. When Cyrille did it was ok because he was a Legend to us and Showed That Midland Teams or Fans weren't Racist. But Back to Rondon Hopefully we could keep him and he finds the net. Didn't he say he had Personal Issues If he still does. Give him a Break let him get his head sorted and Come back when there solved so he can Concentrate on Football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 01, 2018, 06:09:49 PM
Talk about rose tinted glasses. Did you appreciate it when he kicked the ball straight into the Halfords yesterday whilst attempting a ten yard pass? He took his goal well in the second half to be fair to him. Our best player this season has been Dawson IMV. Not that there has been a wide choice of quality to pick from.

Why would they be rose tinted exactly? I am a massive Dawson fan, but he has been awful for a good few weeks now. How about the many crosses delivered by him that hit the first man when he was switched to right back yesterday? Or the woeful positioning as Vardy exploited a square ball over the top to peel off the back of him and score.

If there are any rose tinted glasses present here, I imagine they are yours with your bizarre hatred of a man who has bullied more than his fair share of opposition defenders to the point where they would love him in their side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 01, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
Why would they be rose tinted exactly? I am a massive Dawson fan, but he has been awful for a good few weeks now. How about the many crosses delivered by him that hit the first man when he was switched to right back yesterday? Or the woeful positioning as Vardy exploited a square ball over the top to peel off the back of him and score.

If there are any rose tinted glasses present here, I imagine they are yours with your bizarre hatred of a man who has bullied more than his fair share of opposition defenders to the point where they would love him in their side.

I don't hate Rondon, he's just not good enough. I hope your right and he's sold in the summer for big money. We could do with it to rebuild.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on April 01, 2018, 08:05:40 PM
Talk about rose tinted glasses. Did you appreciate it when he kicked the ball straight into the Halfords yesterday whilst attempting a ten yard pass? He took his goal well in the second half to be fair to him. Our best player this season has been Dawson IMV. Not that there has been a wide choice of quality to pick from.

I was right in front of that. Nyom was, and not for the first time, woefully out of position. A wing back should be much closer to the lines and further advanced.
Yes, Rondon looked up as he played the pass, but was as surprised as anyone where the hell his supporting player should have been.

I was watching Nyon very closely and he was out of position most of the game- and it was down to sheer laziness. Offensively didn't get forward much and when he did he fluffed his crosses. Defensively he failed to track his man on at least 4 occasions.

His attitude basically sums up the position we are in now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on April 07, 2018, 09:09:28 AM
Just heard on the radio we turned down a £32 million pound bid in Jan and if we go down he has a £8 million pound release clause. They was saying there are 5-6 teams interested.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 07, 2018, 09:15:45 AM
Just heard on the radio we turned down a £32 million pound bid in Jan and if we go down he has a £8 million pound release clause. They was saying there are 5-6 teams interested.

This would be horrendous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on April 07, 2018, 09:21:24 AM
Just heard on the radio we turned down a £32 million pound bid in Jan and if we go down he has a £8 million pound release clause. They was saying there are 5-6 teams interested.

It was Tony Cascarino, he got his January's mixed up.

Pretty sure he was referring to the bid we reportedly turned down Last season.

And he said £38,000,000.

As for the release clause we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 07, 2018, 09:38:34 AM
An £8m relegation release clause would be devastating. Thankfully it was Cascarino, not the most knowledgable about Albion is he.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 07, 2018, 10:11:56 AM
Hoping Rondon doesn't leave for 8million and that it just Evans, Dawson and Chadli if Matt Wilson is saying the truth
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2018, 12:47:57 PM
Ian Dennis (BBC senior football correspondent ) confirmed that Rondon has £8m release clause. Starting to look like he is one of the 4 who'll be sold for an absolute song come the end of the season.

Seriously inebriated off with this it is gross incompetence on the part of the club.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: royhan on April 07, 2018, 12:57:32 PM
Ian Dennis (BBC senior football correspondent ) confirmed that Rondon has £8m release clause. Starting to look like he is one of the 4 who'll be sold for an absolute song come the end of the season.

Seriously inebriated off with this it is gross incompetence on the part of the club.

It’s little wonder that John Williams and his sidekick were sent packing. How the Board sanctioned these release clauses beggars belief
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 07, 2018, 01:09:56 PM
It’s little wonder that John Williams and his sidekick were sent packing. How the Board sanctioned these release clauses beggars belief
Surely would have been under JPs watch ? , unless he's had a new contract I've missed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 07, 2018, 01:28:42 PM
Garlick strikes again... That's going to cost us the best part of 30 million.


That said Rondon was a massive coup at the time so maybe it was the only way to get him through the door.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 07, 2018, 01:38:33 PM
Garlick strikes again... That's going to cost us the best part of 30 million.


That said Rondon was a massive coup at the time so maybe it was the only way to get him through the door.

Not sure anyone can be blamed for relegation clauses, players agents will be the ones insisting on it I would have thought
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on April 07, 2018, 01:43:06 PM
I understand that players would ask for relegation clauses but don’t set them at less than we paid! What kind of business model is that? ??? Also Evans and Rondon were under Jenkins reign which doesn’t fill me with hope.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on April 07, 2018, 01:44:18 PM
I despair about with the way our club has been run these past couple of years. Clearly a mass clear out of the board is needed in addition to the prima donnas on the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 07, 2018, 06:58:01 PM
Who’s responsible for turning down the £38m bid in January 17? Worst business decision the club has ever made if true.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on April 07, 2018, 07:53:19 PM
Who’s responsible for turning down the £38m bid in January 17? Worst business decision the club has ever made if true.

If I recall, it was January 2017 & from China & the player didn't want to go,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2018, 08:59:33 PM
Technically the fees seem to be set a level which are slightly greater than the players book value so we won't lose money on the deal, however compared to the open market value we are probably discounting by anything up 75%.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on April 07, 2018, 09:06:26 PM
Technically the fees seem to be set a level which are slightly greater than the players book value so we won't lose money on the deal, however compared to the open market value we are probably discounting by anything up 75%.

So it's a measured decision, which you disagree with, as opposed to incompetence?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on April 09, 2018, 10:52:32 PM
Release clause is 16.5 m same as Chadlis apparently.


https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/09/salomon-rondon-could-leave-for-165m-once-west-brom-are-relegated/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on April 09, 2018, 11:02:23 PM
Release clause is 16.5 m same as Chadlis apparently.


https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/09/salomon-rondon-could-leave-for-165m-once-west-brom-are-relegated/

Phew, we've not been as apallingly mis-managed as it was beginning to look. Still below market value but £16.5m gets you a hell of a lot more than £8m would as a Championship club.

I expect multiple teams will trigger Rondon's release clause. Chadli may be a different story with his injury problems, but I could see the club coming to a compromise at, say, £12m.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2018, 07:37:40 AM
John Percy saying £16.5m

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/09/salomon-rondon-can-leave-west-brom-just-165m-thanks-relegation/

Our admin really needs an overhaul
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on April 10, 2018, 08:23:47 AM
John Percy saying £16.5m

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/09/salomon-rondon-can-leave-west-brom-just-165m-thanks-relegation/

Our admin really needs an overhaul

I would imagine all deals have to be ratified by the Board. Rondon & Evans were signed in 2015 under JP's stewardship, which would suggest it's not down to the current administration.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 10, 2018, 04:21:34 PM
16.5 million release clause, if true, is ridiculously cheap for Rondon in today's market. At least half the premier league clubs will want him at that price I would imagine. Evans' release clause at 3 million is equally a bargain. Not sure what the club were thinking about when they sanctioned these clauses in some players' contracts. Haven't seen many similar situations at other clubs, so not as if such clauses are standard practice.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on April 10, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
This release clause isn't great to say the least but could we get a 10 goal a season striker for 10m or less? We and others have done it before?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 10, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
I was worried Rondon's clause might be less than that at around 8 - 10 million. £16m does give us something to work with after all. I recognise his qualities but his goal scoring record just isn't up there enough for the clause to be significantly higher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 10, 2018, 05:22:11 PM
I was worried Rondon's clause might be less than that at around 8 - 10 million. £16m does give us something to work with after all. I recognise his qualities but his goal scoring record just isn't up there enough for the clause to be significantly higher.
That is your opinion, to which you are of course entitled, but the acid test will be  how much interest there is from Premiership clubs once we are relegated. Rondon is held in high esteem and there will be no shortage of clubs who will (correctly) believe that he is an absolute snip at 16 million.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 10, 2018, 05:37:02 PM
That is your opinion, to which you are of course entitled, but the acid test will be  how much interest there is from Premiership clubs once we are relegated. Rondon is held in high esteem and there will be no shortage of clubs who will (correctly) believe that he is an absolute snip at 16 million.
Firstly, I'm not knocking the bloke at all. If the clause was say £25m, the top 6 aren't going to move for him, a lot of others will say hmm he'd be good for us but that's a lot of money given his goals record, wages and our budget. I could maybe see Everton and poss West Ham buying him for £20m - £25m. Other clubs will think it's a good deal at £16m but not an absolute snip.
Release clauses for anyone tend not to be set at the absolute maximum that the selling club could possibly get.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on April 10, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
16.5 million release clause, if true, is ridiculously cheap for Rondon in today's market.

It is always interesting to consider the views of fans of other clubs. Reacting to the £16.5m release clause the following is posted in the comments on the dailymail article:

"Im also avaiable for that price and im sure Chelsea and co will be just as interested"
"Lira?"
"Cows backside and shovel spring to mind"
"At his age and with his goal scoring record, I highly doubt anybody will pay over £10m. There will be no profitable sell on possibility due to him approaching 30, and he hasn't exactly set the league alight with heaps of goals. Has a good attitude though so could be a bargain for somebody, only not at the price quoted here."
"I'd have him at West Ham. Could do OK with a bit better service than Barry and Livermore. It would be nice to get a number 9 in that mould who isn't constantly injured for the majority of the season (Carroll) and isn't a rubbish panic buy from Preston (Hugill). I' wouldn't give you any more than £6-8M for him though..."
"That seems a bit too high. West Brom are not in a position to barter and he's not a stellar player so clubs won't pay over the odds for him."
"Is that 16.5 pound?"
"A good player. Rarely gets injured, has an engine like an old Volvo, leaps like a fish and has been scoring goals in a poor WBA team in the PL for a number of years. Will prove a bargain."
"Cant hit a barn door....waste of money"


Those are all of the comments save for one from a bloke in Wolverhampton taking a cheap-shot at the club per se.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Played 115, scored 27: average of 8.92 goals per season in the premier league. For a 28 year old I'd be quite happy to get £16.5m for Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Backofthenet on April 10, 2018, 07:24:33 PM
Agreed Baggie 82.
I think that is about the mark for him and the most he is worth. I agree it's each individual to assess what they think someone is worth but his record is not exactly great.
I admire his work ethic and he doesn't get injured but he seems to be seriously lacking in the goals department for a striker. If he were more adequate there, we may not be where we are now.

In all fairness I have little patience with some of these players who believe they are Premier League quality. If they were, they wouldn't be in a team due to be relegated and they should pay the price.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on April 10, 2018, 07:34:29 PM
I'd be happy if we get £16m for him, unlike others I don't think he'd get the goals we will need in a lower league, likeable as he is he's just a poor goalscorer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2018, 08:37:50 PM
Snip at £16.5 million. Clause is easily costing us 12 to 15 million pounds. Never mind, he wouldn't have stayed anyway. Far too good for 2nd tier football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on April 10, 2018, 09:37:17 PM
Snip at £16.5 million. Clause is easily costing us 12 to 15 million pounds. Never mind, he wouldn't have stayed anyway. Far too good for 2nd tier football.
clause isn't costing us anything. we paid £12m for him so selling at £16.5m gives us a £4.5m profit. it's just supposition that anyone would pay an additional £12-15m for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2018, 09:48:40 PM
clause isn't costing us anything. we paid £12m for him so selling at £16.5m gives us a £4.5m profit. it's just supposition that anyone would pay an additional £12-15m for him.


Well that might cover football inflation over the last 3 years but I doubt it.


It's not supposition it's common sense.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on April 10, 2018, 11:51:48 PM
I don't like these clauses almost regardless of the fee but at least the Rondon fee is not terrible given his age and length of contract.

Firstly the fact that relegation triggers the option is wrong because

a) it negates the 50% flex down clause in the contract the player is therefore not shouldering any of the risk for their individual and collective under performance.

b) It is at a point when the club needs every penny it can get from these sales rather than a somewhat reduced fee.

c) It undermines team unity and this is matter of principle if we are all in this together then either everyone has a soft route out or no one does.

Secondly in general release clauses.

a) Hand control of the negotiations to the player and his agent once the release clause is met the matter is entirely out of the clubs hands

b) The club cannot control when the release clause is triggered and if it is the 11th hour of the last day of the window well that is just tough, the only way to regain a modicum of control is to agree a discount to an already discounted fee.

No still hate these clauses and if any player won't join the club without one then they don't join it is really that simple.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2018, 07:34:32 AM
clause isn't costing us anything. we paid £12m for him so selling at £16.5m gives us a £4.5m profit. it's just supposition that anyone would pay an additional £12-15m for him.

Just about covers the loss on Mr Evans original fee when he leaves in the summer. However, makes no impact on the alleged £20m that we could have got for him last year.

Another poker hand folded by our board......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on April 11, 2018, 10:01:49 AM
Snip at £16.5 million. Clause is easily costing us 12 to 15 million pounds. Never mind, he wouldn't have stayed anyway. Far too good for 2nd tier football.

Agreed, bargain in todays market,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on April 11, 2018, 12:23:26 PM
I don't think this last season will have done anything to increase Rondon's value, if anything his poor finishing will reflect badly on his price.  £16.5m is about what I'd expect to get him for him anyway, with or without a clause.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on April 11, 2018, 12:34:08 PM
I don't think this last season will have done anything to increase Rondon's value, if anything his poor finishing will reflect badly on his price.  £16.5m is about what I'd expect to get him for him anyway, with or without a clause.

Christian Benteke cost twice that. Rondon is an absolute bargain at £16m.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2018, 12:36:01 PM
Christian Benteke cost twice that. Rondon is an absolute bargain at £16m.

He's a 'smashing lad, works aarrrdddd' apparently.....:)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 11, 2018, 02:06:12 PM
I don't think this last season will have done anything to increase Rondon's value, if anything his poor finishing will reflect badly on his price.  £16.5m is about what I'd expect to get him for him anyway, with or without a clause.

Why not? He's looked our best outfield player in a team where he has had no service.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 11, 2018, 05:10:22 PM
I don't think this last season will have done anything to increase Rondon's value, if anything his poor finishing will reflect badly on his price.  £16.5m is about what I'd expect to get him for him anyway, with or without a clause.

while Rondon hasn't set the world on fire this season, he accomplished something by having improved performances and numbers compared to last season (in which he had a good first half and an awful second half). The fact that his performances and numbers improved after the dinosaur's departure shows he is still very much an asset. I imagine more than one decision-maker will look at the season Rondon has put together without much help from behind him and feel they can get more out of him with more support. And this isn't to absolve him from his failures this season, he definitely has left goals out there, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I've always thought if the club hadn't been so thin up front this season Rondon might have gotten moved. If he remains at the club next season it'll probably be because he wants to but I'll be shocked if a number of clubs don't try to activate that clause, because £16.5m for him in today's market is simply shrewd business.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: section5 on April 21, 2018, 02:28:02 PM

Wow just watching rondons reactions at the end . He really is a dying breed of footballer. Actually gives a pooh. Really impressed with him throughout his career at Albion. Has had a hard task the majority of it up on his own. Yes i know he's missed some sitters but that's why he's at us and not a top 4 team. I can gaurantee come next season there will be at least 10 prem clubs that wouldn't mind having sol in therr squad.  Will hold him in high regard whatever happens
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gavinrussell on April 21, 2018, 02:43:18 PM
If he goes for under 30 million it will be a crime...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on April 21, 2018, 02:52:16 PM
Wow just watching rondons reactions at the end . He really is a dying breed of footballer. Actually gives a rubbish. Really impressed with him throughout his career at Albion. Has had a hard task the majority of it up on his own. Yes i know he's missed some sitters but that's why he's at us and not a top 4 team. I can guarantee come next season there will be at least 10 prem clubs that wouldn't mind having sol in therr squad.  Will hold him in high regard whatever happens
I watched that emotional scene too, he really cares about the club. We won't be 20th if more players have his attitude.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: section5 on April 21, 2018, 04:31:40 PM
Don't think it's viable to be bringing those wages down with us to be honest. Shame really as for me Evans and Chadli can do one anyway, the pole is on his way, so if we had stayed up the budget would have allowed for more quality. It's just a matter of who he goes to and what league
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on April 21, 2018, 04:39:14 PM
Gave his shirt away and hugging the fans . What a differance a few months ago when 1st down the tunnel . Was great to see today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on April 21, 2018, 05:03:34 PM
Seemed to me as though he was waving goodbye to everyone. Also saw McClean I think looking like he was doing the same. Probably both be off in the summer.

Also, did anyone see Rondon hugging the eagerly waiting youngsters that were introduced to the ground at half time? That's what football is about.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on April 21, 2018, 05:29:40 PM
Seemed to me as though he was waving goodbye to everyone. Also saw McClean I think looking like he was doing the same. Probably both be off in the summer.



I didn't see McClean, but I also though Rondon was saying goodbye.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on April 21, 2018, 05:32:56 PM
Seemed to me as though he was waving goodbye to everyone. Also saw McClean I think looking like he was doing the same. Probably both be off in the summer.

Also, did anyone see Rondon hugging the eagerly waiting youngsters that were introduced to the ground at half time? That's what football is about.

Haven't we still got the Tottenham game at home to play though?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on April 21, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
The guy is pure class, both as a footballer and, from all appearances, as a man. Equaled a Premier League record today, most times a player has scored in a season without being on the winning side (7). There will be a queue for him once the season ends. Wish there was some way we could persuade him to stay but I'm not too hopeful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on April 21, 2018, 09:45:14 PM
Salo has 7 goals and 2 assists so far this season (4/1 in PL, 1/1 in League Cup, 2/0 in FA) on 22 shots on target out of 64 total shots (league + 2 cups)

TP games (14): 2 goals, 1 assist on 14 shots (6 on target)
Non-TP games (15): 5 goals, 1 assist on 50 shots (16 on target)

Last season he finished with 8 goals and 2 assists last season (all in league play) on 29 shots on target out of 103 total shots (league + 2 cups)

I expect him to play all 11 games remaining, so with the numbers above he projects to finish at 9 or 10 goals and 3 assists on 40 games played.

The non-TP games projected over 40 games would put him at 13 goals for the season.

2 months ago I projected him to finish with 10 goals and 3 assists  he's already at 10 and 4, statistically his best season for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie_liam on April 21, 2018, 09:56:47 PM
Seemed to me as though he was waving goodbye to everyone. Also saw McClean I think looking like he was doing the same. Probably both be off in the summer.

Also, did anyone see Rondon hugging the eagerly waiting youngsters that were introduced to the ground at half time? That's what football is about.


My 5 year old lad got his shirt signed after the game by him. Funnily enough myself and a few others asked him about leaving, his answer was “No. I don’t want to go, kids happy in schools here I love playing here”
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on April 21, 2018, 09:59:24 PM
Nowhere near clinical enough at times but with everything else he gives us you can't help but like the big fella , for that he will be missed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on April 21, 2018, 10:06:46 PM

My 5 year old lad got his shirt signed after the game by him. Funnily enough myself and a few others asked him about leaving, his answer was “No. I don’t want to go, kids happy in schools here I love playing here”


If that's true (and I'm not for a second doubting your word ....... but, well you know), what a fantastic attitude. Definitely not a big time Charlie. Mind you the effort he puts in pretty much tells you that. Seems like a top class fella.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie_liam on April 21, 2018, 10:35:06 PM
I heard a few others got asked the same question, I heard Rodriguez saying he’s happy here and likes it here, I’m happy to be playing weekly. (I overheard The older car park security guy saying similar to someone too. Saying his dad says he’s not fussed by money, he just wants to play) Foster said yeah course I’m staying, I think we’ll be strong next season. Yacob was unsure. He just kept saying don’t know yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mig on April 21, 2018, 10:50:48 PM
Clubs will be queuing up for him if that £16m release clause is true.

The guy is class and it's pleasing to see him getting the respect and recognition he deserves. Was too often unfairly criticised in the past for a lack of goals, when for the majority of his time here the service up to him has been dire.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on April 21, 2018, 10:54:31 PM
Under a more positive manager he'd have scored more goals for us. Even Odemwingie missed easy chances, problem is with Pulis he never got many chances to score. Has there ever been a prolific striker under Pulis?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on April 21, 2018, 10:54:51 PM
Has to sign the contract for a new club 1st
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on April 21, 2018, 11:01:38 PM
IF we can keep Rodriguez and Rondon I'd expect us to bounce straight back. They will terrorise the Championship. They just need average back up from elsewhere particularly the presently terribly impotent midfield.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mig on April 21, 2018, 11:12:01 PM
Under a more positive manager he'd have scored more goals for us. Even Odemwingie missed easy chances, problem is with Pulis he never got many chances to score. Has there ever been a prolific striker under Pulis?

Exactly this.

A second related point is that Pulis also never took advantage of Rondon's strength and hold-up play - if you get people up and alongside him then suddenly the value in this side of his game becomes apparent, and not only would he score more goals but would also contribute to more chances being created. Similar to what Fortuné was like under Mowbray tbh - not prolific but helped our midfield to score plenty.

Sometimes being a striker isn't just about goals, but nobody is going to look great if all you do is pump aimless long balls up for him to contend against two CBs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 22, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
Tell you what, that was a cracking goal he scored yesterday too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on April 22, 2018, 05:14:48 PM
Totally agree with you Frank, pity  motd didn't praise it as much as salahs so called brilliant chip.
Ours was a brilliant cross ending with a bullet rondon header I think rondons was a far better goal myself.
I hope he stays along with jrod they will cause defences major problems in the championship
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on April 22, 2018, 06:01:08 PM
IF we can keep Rodriguez and Rondon I'd expect us to bounce straight back. They will terrorise the Championship. They just need average back up from elsewhere particularly the presently terribly impotent midfield.

I will have you right on that!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on May 22, 2018, 12:34:10 AM
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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on May 22, 2018, 09:08:40 AM
I'd take 16m or more (of course) for Rondon personally. He's been a good stalwart of a forward for us without being amazing.

We need goals goals goals next season and one or two natural finishers as well as one or two workhorse forwards. Rondon has been an expensive workhorse forward for us and we can get much cheaper similarly effective hold up forwards to him.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on May 22, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
As long as a club meets his buy out clause of £16m then he is free to agree terms and leave. The chances he spurned in key games is one of the reasons we were relegated. £16m is decent enough; even in an inflated market for a striker who doesn’t score many.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on May 22, 2018, 01:20:48 PM
I have never been that bothered by him to be honest. His only attribute seems to be that he works his socks off but I think premier league players should all do that. Shane Long was a much better player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on May 22, 2018, 09:41:27 PM
Can’t face the thought of him playing for Cardiff  ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on May 23, 2018, 06:34:31 AM
In the case of Rondon, would it not be possible to have a similar deal to how we bought Ben Foster?

I.E We let him go out on loan to a Premier League club (or top foreign league) for a year whilst we try to come back up. Should we fail to get promoted he's free to go for the right price, and in the case of promotion he rejoins the team.

You don't see many of these deals so I'm not sure how easy they are to pull off, could be an option though. Would be a nice halfway house if he wanted to stay at the club/give us another year, but not play at championship level.

So you still think Rondon would be the answer to our Premier League scoring woes if we were to get promoted?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 23, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
28, 1 year left on contract, on good wages.

Would like to keep him because he would bully Championship defences but we should have to replace if we were promoted I think.

£17m isn’t too bad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 23, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
what's happening here? I know there have been posts in this thread over the last month ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 23, 2018, 05:41:48 PM
what's happening here? I know there have been posts in this thread over the last month ...

Last few posts have gone to the new thread in the transfer section mate by looks of it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on May 23, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
I have never been that bothered by him to be honest. His only attribute seems to be that he works his socks off but I think premier league players should all do that. Shane Long was a much better player.
An outrageous statement. Rondon is several levels up from Shane Long. Priced at £16 million there will be a queue believe me. He will be one of the bargains of the summer at that price.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on May 23, 2018, 06:56:57 PM
An outrageous statement. Rondon is several levels up from Shane Long. Priced at £16 million there will be a queue believe me. He will be one of the bargains of the summer at that price.
have to agree, I really don’t see the love for Long, other than running what does he offer? His scoring record is awful. He went 1320minutes without a league goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on May 23, 2018, 07:21:02 PM
 a few media outlets reporting that both Inter Milan and Athletico Madrid are  interested in Rondon.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on May 23, 2018, 08:27:24 PM
a few media outlets reporting that both Inter Milan and Athletico Madrid are  interested in Rondon.

I think a few of our fans are going to realise this summer just how highly rated Rondon is in the wider footballing world. We've had people on here criminally under rating him for the past 2 years, fact of the matter is that we won't be signing anyone near his class at least until we are back in the Prem.

For £16m I think he'll be looked at as a potential back up striker by a lot of the Champions League big-hitters. Failing that he'll be off to start for a Europa League contender, unless Pellegrini can persuade him to join West Ham.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 24, 2018, 06:44:05 AM
Think the Inter rumour might have legs they have qualified for the CL and are very heavily dependent on Mauro Icardi for goals and have no depth in that department.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on May 24, 2018, 10:48:55 AM
Who the hell is agreeing these relagation clauses, that's part of reason these clowns don't give a fooook.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2018, 12:24:39 PM
Who the hell is agreeing these relagation clauses, that's part of reason these clowns don't give a fooook.

I would imagine either player or agent would insist on it before signing.
Bit like a pre-nuptial  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wimbledon baggie on May 24, 2018, 12:30:01 PM

Just proves the point we were never considered a solid prep team.When the wheels do start to come off and relegation does become a possibility the player has no real incentive to give his all as he is thinking of his next move. Shocking.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on May 24, 2018, 12:40:01 PM
It goes along with what Jenkins has said that this club has been poorly managed in the last few years. 

It all stems from Peace losing interest and the appointment of Irvine.

It could well take years to rebuild the mess we are in now.

Anyway back on topic - Rondon will leave and do well in a more attacking team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2018, 12:45:21 PM
have to agree, I really don’t see the love for Long, other than running what does he offer? His scoring record is awful. He went 1320minutes without a league goal.

Rondon and Long both have awful goal scoring records and both of them work hard, quite a lot in common.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2018, 12:47:47 PM
I think a few of our fans are going to realise this summer just how highly rated Rondon is in the wider footballing world. We've had people on here criminally under rating him for the past 2 years, fact of the matter is that we won't be signing anyone near his class at least until we are back in the Prem.

So we are supposed to rate our own players based on media transfer speculation rather than their actual record playing for us? Rondon spurned key chances left right and centre in critical games and we ended up getting relegated by thin margins. He played a sizeable part in our relegation. Nothing class about that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on May 24, 2018, 12:55:35 PM
So we are supposed to rate our own players based on media transfer speculation rather than their actual record playing for us? Rondon spurned key chances left right and centre in critical games and we ended up getting relegated by thin margins. He played a sizeable part in our relegation. Nothing class about that.
agree 100% with this. never seen a forward so bad in front of goal with the ball at his feet. I get that he works hard and all that. but we wont miss him one bit in my opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 24, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
agree 100% with this. never seen a forward so bad in front of goal with the ball at his feet. I get that he works hard and all that. but we wont miss him one bit in my opinion.

When we are watching HRK bumble his way around the pitch in November, I will remind you of that comment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on May 24, 2018, 01:46:15 PM
When we are watching HRK bumble his way around the pitch in November, I will remind you of that comment.
I'd pay some one to take this so called professional footballer thanks Hammond
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on May 24, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
When we are watching HRK bumble his way around the pitch in November, I will remind you of that comment.

With any luck HRK will be gone by then.
I hope Darren Moore cuts him loose and puts us all out of our misery
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on May 24, 2018, 03:16:54 PM
When we are watching HRK bumble his way around the pitch in November, I will remind you of that comment.
didn't mention hrk. if they get two decent championship strikers in we will be fine rondon wont be missed. I personally would try to keep rodriguez sell rondon and get two in. its going to be interesting summer. its all about opinions though granted
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on May 24, 2018, 06:25:25 PM
As long as a club meets his buy out clause of £16m then he is free to agree terms and leave. The chances he spurned in key games is one of the reasons we were relegated. £16m is decent enough; even in an inflated market for a striker who doesn’t score many.

This and your other posts about 'spurned chances' has to be some of the most ill considered rubbish I have read on here for a long time. You are entitled to your opinion and have every right to express it, however I am shocked and disgusted by the sheer amount of vitriol towards one of our better and most consistent performers spouted by you and other so called WBA supporters. These are people who in my opinion seem to understand very little more about the role played by players like Rondon than the knee jerk reactions fuelled by media pundits with telephone time to fill such as that lsop mr Franks on wm. Sorry if you find this offensive but I consider it to be a mirror image of many of your posts

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on May 24, 2018, 07:27:07 PM
Explain the clear misses then.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on May 24, 2018, 08:11:21 PM
I don't quite know how to feel about this reported release clause in Rondons contract. He doesn't score enough goals at premier league level ultimately he is all work ethic but when you consider we have turned down 32 million from a Chinese club in the past it makes it a bitter pill to swallow. He is one of the few players I would wish luck to should he leave because he has worked hard and is a all round decent bloke.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on May 24, 2018, 09:01:18 PM
£16 million for Rondon is a relative steal being as i'd wager a good number of clubs would be willing to pay over £20 million for him.

Unless if something crazy happens and he has some bizarre desire to play in the championship he wont be here come August.

Will the club reinvest the £16 mill and buy two decent championship strikers for that money? Lets hope so but this is Albion after all.

(Ps the comments about Rondons goalscoring record are borderline laughable.
A) He's been playing in a mega defensive team
B) He's a target man not an out and out finisher
C) His goalscoring record is not even that bad anyway)
his record here is poor. Odemwingie wasn't in an all out attacking team and his record against rondon is better. And he wasn't always right up top like rondon is. The guys not that good imho. Rodriguez was more of a threat when he was up top on his own than rondon was last season. 16 mill is a great price if u ask me. I would have snatched the hands of with the offer from China. It didn't do us any better keeping him did it. We may aswell of let Evans go too. He was poor all season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on May 24, 2018, 10:07:39 PM
This and your other posts about 'spurned chances' has to be some of the most ill considered rubbish I have read on here for a long time. You are entitled to your opinion and have every right to express it, however I am shocked and disgusted by the sheer amount of vitriol towards one of our better and most consistent performers spouted by you and other so called WBA supporters. These are people who in my opinion seem to understand very little more about the role played by players like Rondon than the knee jerk reactions fuelled by media pundits with telephone time to fill such as that lsop mr Franks on wm. Sorry if you find this offensive but I consider it to be a mirror image of many of your posts

I’m not offended by your post but I am amused. You must have had your head in a bucket of sand when we played Everton home, Stoke away, Swansea away, Palace at home to name a few. Awful misses at key points in big games. I agree he was consistent, consistently not good enough, hence his part in our relegation. You might like strikers than work hard and spurn goals scoring chances. I don’t, even the ones that’s run around a lot and smile. 15 goals in 74 PL games is laughably bad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on May 25, 2018, 12:12:28 AM
I’m not offended by your post but I am amused. You must have had your head in a bucket of sand when we played Everton home, Stoke away, Swansea away, Palace at home to name a few. Awful misses at key points in big games. I agree he was consistent, consistently not good enough, hence his part in our relegation. You might like strikers than work hard and spurn goals scoring chances. I don’t, even the ones that’s run around a lot and smile. 15 goals in 74 PL games is laughably bad.

24 PL goals in 108 PL appearances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 25, 2018, 06:30:00 AM
I’m not offended by your post but I am amused. You must have had your head in a bucket of sand when we played Everton home, Stoke away, Swansea away, Palace at home to name a few. Awful misses at key points in big games. I agree he was consistent, consistently not good enough, hence his part in our relegation. You might like strikers than work hard and spurn goals scoring chances. I don’t, even the ones that’s run around a lot and smile. 15 goals in 74 PL games is laughably bad.

Completely agree.

If he ends up at West Ham it will destroy him. Their supporters wont be as tolerant as our lot. Think it’s best for him to try and get a move abroad.

Cash in and reinvest the money wisely.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2018, 08:42:25 AM
When he leaves he will go with my best wishes unlike some. Should he convert more chances? Probably. Is he as terrible as some paint him? No.

Most Strikers playing for mid table clubs don't score more than about 10 goals a season 15 is pretty sensational 20 rare indeed and only Lukaku and Vardy have done it for clubs whose league position is effectively capped at 7th in recent seasons. There is an occasional freak like Benteke who scores 20 playing for an otherwise mediocre outfit but only because they are scoring a freakishly high proportion of their teams goals.

In Rondon's case much of his Albion career was blighted by Pulisball. On only one occasion in his Premier League career has a striker in a Pulis team got to double figures for PL goals. His teams barely score at a rate of a goal a game and 50% the goals come from set pieces and guess what the big defenders that he throws into the box get a lot of those. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2018, 08:47:36 AM
I used to be very critical of Rondon but was mainly focusing on chances missed and goals scored rather than looking at his all round play.

I would like us to keep him as he does bring a lot to the team, obviously he could/should score more and does miss some sitters but his all round play is good and I think he would score around 75% more goals in the Championship (putting him at about 15 goals).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2018, 09:52:16 AM
To be fair to Rondon it has been the management team that call the shots that decided to rely on him to be the main front man and to carry the load up-top despite his limitations. Ultimately they have carry the responsibility for picking the player and not signing anyone else. If we can get £16m for him then I'm happy with that all things considered. Be interesting to see how his career pans out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 25, 2018, 10:23:52 AM
Personally I hope we keep him, he will terrorise Championship defences. However, I do think he will be off soon......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 25, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
Remember when we had Odemwingie? Got me thinking, since when did we need a big man upfront?. I know the answer to that, since Pulis. But Odemwingie lead the line AND scored gosls for us. Plenty of them. We abandoned the principle of having a goalscoring striker leading the line when we shoved Odemwingie out wide to accommodate Shane Long.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2018, 01:03:11 PM
To get someone as good as Odemwingie was for us for £1.5 million was either genius from the recruitment team or insane luck though (most likely just luck)

For every Odemwingie theres a lot more Brown Ideyes and Marcus Rosenbergs

I'm pretty sure the recruitment team would have been aware of Odemwingie's situation at LokomotivMoscow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 25, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
I'm pretty sure the recruitment team would have been aware of Odemwingie's situation at LokomotivMoscow.

Re-reading the articles at the time it was on the back of a DVD being sent to and the scouts checking up on him based on that. Di Matteo gives credit to the scouting network.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on May 25, 2018, 01:46:54 PM
He will be a big miss for us this season if he goes
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2018, 02:06:23 PM
He will be a big miss for us this season if he goes

Indeed, just hope he doesn't end up at Cardiff or West Ham, because, other than being in the premier league, they are really no better than us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on May 25, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
I’m not offended by your post but I am amused. You must have had your head in a bucket of sand when we played Everton home, Stoke away, Swansea away, Palace at home to name a few. Awful misses at key points in big games. I agree he was consistent, consistently not good enough, hence his part in our relegation. You might like strikers than work hard and spurn goals scoring chances. I don’t, even the ones that’s run around a lot and smile. 15 goals in 74 PL games is laughably bad.

So glad to be amusing,we do try! You are quite correct. In my extensive experience I have found this to be the least disappointing way to watch the Baggies. However even through the wet sand, (soaked in good scotch by the way) and the thick gavanised steel of the bucket I can still see what your postings indicate what you appear to be unable observe. What about the many good chances missed by JRod/HRK/Phillips/Chadli et al. and all those chances that should/could have been taken by our absent supporting midfield players. as well as some good headed chances from set peices missed by Dawson. You quote inaccurate and obviously selective statistics that even through my bucket I can see are invalid. Rondon's goals to games ratio is, I think as good as most other central strikers in similar clubs to ourselves, and better than some of them who don't run around and smile as much as he does.  Rondon has scored the first goal in a number of games this season but the rest of the team have been unable to see the games out or even hang on for a draw. was this his fault?  Most of his games have been under a Pulis ball style which limits the ability of any front man to score goals simply because of the lack of attacking intent and/or other players with the ability to attack or create scoring chances. All players make errors, miss good scoring opportunities or give goals away, Rondon is no worse than anybody else in this. The fact that not only do the supporters of other clubs rate him, but also that the recruitment teams of wealthier clubs than us are willing to pay a good price for him, I would suggest shows your argument is based on a simple dislike of an individual and is grounded in neither statistical nor rhetorical evidence. As I may have previously mentioned you are entitled to your opinions - We get it  -  you don't like the bloke  - OK - no problem but please don't try to justify your dislike of individuals by selective statistics and unbalanced criticisms.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on May 25, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
agree 100% with this. never seen a forward so bad in front of goal with the ball at his feet. I get that he works hard and all that. but we wont miss him one bit in my opinion.

From that comment, I take it you haven't been following West Bromwich Albion Football Club for  too long. I'm sure older fans will recall Paul Williams. Still, there's plenty of time for you
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on May 25, 2018, 04:10:28 PM
From that comment, I take it you haven't been following West Bromwich Albion Football Club for  too long. I'm sure older fans will recall Paul Williams. Still, there's plenty of time for you

Thats the first name on a very long list. I'll take your Paul Williams and raise you a Bobbie Williamson
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on May 25, 2018, 04:23:28 PM
Thats the first name on a very long list. I'll take your Paul Williams and raise you a Bobbie Williamson

Brian Quailey, SNAP!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2018, 04:42:26 PM
please don't try to justify your dislike of individuals by selective statistics

Games played and goals scored is not a selective statistic, it's cold hard fact. We clearly disagree as to what Rondon has offered the team and what role he has played in our relegation. That doesn't make your opinion any more valid than my own. I could run through your post accusing you of using selective stats and being biased etc with silly references to WM and cheap shots but that mud slinging doesn't achieve anything. Your more than entitled to rate Rondon. I just think you've got it all wrong, no doubt you have the same view of my opinion. If we all had the same view the forum would be very dull.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on May 25, 2018, 05:19:00 PM
And who could forget that inimitable timekeeper and occasional striker, Fabian de Freitas!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on May 25, 2018, 05:26:34 PM
From that comment, I take it you haven't been following West Bromwich Albion Football Club for  too long. I'm sure older fans will recall Paul Williams. Still, there's plenty of time for you
I remember Paul Williams debut away at Crystal Palace when he arrived as our new striker from Stockport. He tried a fancy flick with the outside of his boot which didn't quite come off.
It went steadily downhill from there!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on May 25, 2018, 05:27:58 PM
I remember Paul Williams debut away at Crystal Palace when he arrived as our new striker from Stockport. He tried a fancy flick with the side of his boot which didn't quite come off.
It went steadily downhill from there!

Great anecdote!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2018, 07:25:09 PM
And who could forget that inimitable timekeeper and occasional striker, Fabian de Freitas!!

Remember that bank holiday Monday game under Dean Smith I think when Fabian thought it was 7.45pm kick off and was named in the first eleven but missed the game?! Pre-dates mobile phones. He missus on the home phone explained he was asleep? Around the time we last 5-1 at home to Crewe and fans were fighting each other but it wasn’t the same game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on May 25, 2018, 10:56:58 PM
Delroy Facey, Sherjill MacDonald, neither scored for us, Old Macdonald was ever farmed out on loan to Hereford  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on May 26, 2018, 01:02:23 AM
Remember that bank holiday Monday game under Dean Smith I think when Fabian thought it was 7.45pm kick off and was named in the first eleven but missed the game?! Pre-dates mobile phones. He missus on the home phone explained he was asleep? Around the time we last 5-1 at home to Crewe and fans were fighting each other but it wasn’t the same game.

It was the same game.

Coins were also thrown at the upper windows outside the Halfords after the game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on May 26, 2018, 02:40:24 AM
Remember that bank holiday Monday game under Dean Smith I think when Fabian thought it was 7.45pm kick off and was named in the first eleven but missed the game?! Pre-dates mobile phones. He missus on the home phone explained he was asleep? Around the time we last 5-1 at home to Crewe and fans were fighting each other but it wasn’t the same game.


I didn't realise Dean Smith had managed us. When was this?  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on May 26, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
Games played and goals scored is not a selective statistic, it's cold hard fact. We clearly disagree as to what Rondon has offered the team and what role he has played in our relegation. That doesn't make your opinion any more valid than my own. I could run through your post accusing you of using selective stats and being biased etc with silly references to WM and cheap shots but that mud slinging doesn't achieve anything. Your more than entitled to rate Rondon. I just think you've got it all wrong, no doubt you have the same view of my opinion. If we all had the same view the forum would be very dull.

Cold hard facts are only such when the figures are correct - I dont think yours are, but I may also be wrong.

Nothing I do or say is cheap  - in fact it is one of the most expensive commodities in my universe

My distorted use of statistics was used merely to highlight and mirror your own

And above all any criticism of WM coverage of WBA by mr Franks is valid as his puerile attempts to create friction are only ever worthy of contempt.

I consider your opinions and those of others to be the equal of any of my own, as you say that is what a forum is for. So sorry you don't want to play anymore I was quite enjoying the debate with a worthy opponent.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on May 26, 2018, 05:03:25 PM

I didn't realise Dean Smith had managed us. When was this?  ;)
i think you'll find it was Dennis Smith
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 27, 2018, 07:42:08 PM
And who could forget that inimitable timekeeper and occasional striker, Fabian de Freitas!!

Fondly remembered in my household as Fabian De Las Fritas.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gavinrussell on May 28, 2018, 07:07:44 PM
Cardiff interested but only offering £12 million....come back when you stop taking the ****..double that at least and no chance he would go to them anyway..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on May 28, 2018, 07:13:43 PM
Cardiff interested but only offering £12 million....come back when you stop taking the ****..double that at least and no chance he would go to them anyway..

Why is there no chance he would go to Cardiff? They’re in the Prem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Avonbaggie on May 28, 2018, 08:09:39 PM
Cardiff interested but only offering £12 million....come back when you stop taking the ****..double that at least and no chance he would go to them anyway..

Isn't his release clause about £16m? We ain't going to get too much more!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 28, 2018, 09:13:28 PM
Cardiff interested but only offering £12 million....come back when you stop taking the ****..double that at least and no chance he would go to them anyway..
No different to what we do on every single tramsfer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 28, 2018, 09:59:42 PM
This is really simple  the fee is whatever the release clause says it is. Cardiff might try it on at £12m which is fair enough because that at least gives us certainty and avoids the nightmare of someone triggering the release clause after our window has closed. However we are still in May so that won't fly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 05, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
"Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham battling for £16m West Brom striker Salomon Rondon"

Not highly rated by some Albion Fans, but he's a steal at £16m in my opinion

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-tottenham-west-ham-battling-12651707
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 05, 2018, 05:26:09 PM
"Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham battling for £16m West Brom striker Salomon Rondon"

Not highly rated by some Albion Fans, but he's a steal at £16m in my opinion

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-tottenham-west-ham-battling-12651707 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-tottenham-west-ham-battling-12651707)


The club's named tells you all you need to know about his quality.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 05, 2018, 05:28:47 PM

The club's named tells you all you need to know about his quality.

Agreed, would be chuffed if he stayed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on June 05, 2018, 06:40:51 PM
I think he has integrity and I think he has feelings for the club,I do like him,is that enough for him to stay?
I hope so.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on June 05, 2018, 06:46:24 PM

The club's named tells you all you need to know about his quality.

Well, the first two do.  The third is a tin pot jumped up club.

I would much rather he stayed but he deserves better than West Ham.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on June 05, 2018, 07:10:05 PM

The club's named tells you all you need to know about his quality.
quality and Rondon in the same sentance :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 06, 2018, 06:52:57 AM

The club's named tells you all you need to know about his quality.

The fact that it's from the Daily Mirror tells you all you need to know about the likelihood of it being true.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 06, 2018, 09:13:16 AM

The club's named tells you all you need to know about his quality

and the fact that the fans are in uproar should tell you what the fans think.
He's a back up striker in those teams at best, making the odd cup game appearance and covering for injuries.
I'd be happy for him to stay but if he's adamant on moving let him go and use the money wisely.
We could get Vydra and Gayle for that transfer fee
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on June 06, 2018, 06:36:49 PM
and the fact that the fans are in uproar should tell you what the fans think.
He's a back up striker in those teams at best, making the odd cup game appearance and covering for injuries.
I'd be happy for him to stay but if he's adamant on moving let him go and use the money wisely.
We could get Vydra and Gayle for that transfer fee

Yes please! Far better strikers than Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 06, 2018, 06:46:47 PM
Yes please! Far better strikers than Rondon.


Just fell off my chair. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 06, 2018, 07:03:00 PM

Just fell off my chair. Jesus wept.

At what bit... thinking £16m for Rondon goes into about £32m+ on Vydra and Gayle or that they're better?

I fell off the chair twice!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 06, 2018, 07:35:54 PM
The outward signs are of affinity, and personally I'd like him to stay but I think next season is the last year of his contract, so we need to take the money for him (or get him on a new contract - which is unlikely at the moment). 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 06, 2018, 08:00:28 PM
The fact rondon is still wanted by teams like Chelsea and Tottenham reportedly shows how rated he is in the professional game, even if he is second choice, look at the strikers those teams had on the bench last season, batshuayi, Llorente, morata.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on June 07, 2018, 07:51:36 AM

Just fell off my chair. Jesus wept.

Your opinion. Mine is that he's a very poor striker and too often caught offside because of his poor positional awareness.

Reckon he cost us at least 10 points last season with his missed opportunities.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 07, 2018, 08:06:59 AM
Rondon isn’t a poor striker. Some may rate him higher than others fine but he is no way ‘poor’.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 07, 2018, 08:47:24 AM
The fact rondon is still wanted by teams like Chelsea and Tottenham reportedly shows how rated he is in the professional game, even if he is second choice, look at the strikers those teams had on the bench last season, batshuayi, Llorente, morata.

Sorry mate but it's not a "fact" that Spurs and Chelsea want him it's just a report from The Daily Mirror that has been picked up by other media outlets and repeated.

Batshuayi went on loan to Borussia Dortmund in January after scoring 12 goals for Chelsea in all competitions including 2 for the academy. They then got Giroud in. Morata spent time on the bench as Chelsea often played without a proper central striker, using Eden Hazard in the false number 9 role. I can't see Rondon fitting in at all, his hold up play isn't good enough for the very top level.

Personally I have changed my opinion of Rondon (I was very critical of him due to his lack off goals) and do appreciate what he does for us. I hope he stays as I think he would be very good for us in the Championship, I just can't imagine that either Spurs or Chelsea really have any interest in him.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 07, 2018, 08:58:31 AM
Your opinion. Mine is that he's a very poor striker and too often caught offside because of his poor positional awareness.

Reckon he cost us at least 10 points last season with his missed opportunities.

Poor positional awareness? For 90% of the season he was told to stand somewhere near their goal while we booted balls 70 yards to him. Maybe if we had an semblance of a midfield for the last two seasons he wouldn't need to just stand high up the pitch hoping one of those speculative balls forward landed within running distance of him.

Rondon is better when he's got no time to think what he's doing - give him 10 seconds on the ball to beat a man and curl it into the corner of the net, no chance. Let him get in positions to poach or get on the end of someone else's ball he's not bad. Not all forwards can create their own chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: telford baggie on June 07, 2018, 09:24:05 AM
if we sell rondon and JR i dread to think who we will bring in upfront, i expect cheap and cheerful wouldnt put it past them to be starting kanu first game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on June 07, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
Poor positional awareness? For 90% of the season he was told to stand somewhere near their goal while we booted balls 70 yards to him. Maybe if we had an semblance of a midfield for the last two seasons he wouldn't need to just stand high up the pitch hoping one of those speculative balls forward landed within running distance of him.

Rondon is better when he's got no time to think what he's doing - give him 10 seconds on the ball to beat a man and curl it into the corner of the net, no chance. Let him get in positions to poach or get on the end of someone else's ball he's not bad. Not all forwards can create their own chances.

Yes, I completely agree with your point about him being marooned due to our chronic lack of any sort of creativity in midfield....but he still manages to fluff most of the few chances he gets. For what its worth, I think our urgent need for quick attacking midfielders is a higher priority than keeping or releasing Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbastrollers on June 07, 2018, 09:35:30 AM
Yes please! Far better strikers than Rondon.

Vydra far better then Rondon? - scored 3 in 23 games for us 2013-2014?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 07, 2018, 09:50:02 AM
Vydra far better then Rondon? - scored 3 in 23 games for us 2013-2014?
5 years ago mate in his first and only season in the premier league, which we won't be in, and 16 of those 23 appearances were as a sub. He scored 22 in 44 games for Derby last season, still only 26. A very decent Championship striker, who may be more successful in the premier league given the 5 years extra experience he has got in English football, should we get promoted.

Don't think Vydra is better than Rondon, they have different playing styles, but I think Vydra is a better goal scorer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 07, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
Anyone seriously thinking Vydra is anywhere near the same class as Rondon needs their eyes testing and maybe should consider taking up watching a different sport, this game is lost on you.

And why the clamour for Vydra anyway, he had a good season last year but prior to that his record is pretty dismal, bagged a whopping 5 goals in 16-17 and a pathetic 3 in 15-16.  Would rather go for the likes of Gray or Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 07, 2018, 10:25:35 AM
Some of the views expressed on here do amuse and worry me in equal amount.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 07, 2018, 01:23:56 PM
There's quite a few on here that don't watch much football outside of Albion and base their opinions of other teams' players off of a few minutes of MOTD highlights. Nothing wrong with that but it does make for funny reading every now and then.

Whoever we replace Rondon with this summer is going to be a downgrade. It's not a problem because we're a Championship club now and we're not going to be attracting players of that quality whilst we're here. I'd take either of Gray, Gayle or Vydra with the Rondon money and be going all out for Abel Hernandez on a free transfer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 07, 2018, 01:35:32 PM
There's quite a few on here that don't watch much football outside of Albion and base their opinions of other teams' players off of a few minutes of MOTD highlights. Nothing wrong with that but it does make for funny reading every now and then.

Whoever we replace Rondon with this summer is going to be a downgrade. It's not a problem because we're a Championship club now and we're not going to be attracting players of that quality whilst we're here. I'd take either of Gray, Gayle or Vydra with the Rondon money and be going all out for Abel Hernandez on a free transfer.

Reported to be in advanced talks with Leeds.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 07, 2018, 01:58:01 PM
Reported to be in advanced talks with Leeds.

I've seen, fantastic signing for them if it comes off. I'd be doing everything for a last minute swoop if I was DoF at any of the 3 relegated teams or even someone like Cardiff.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 07, 2018, 02:24:56 PM
Sorry mate but it's not a "fact" that Spurs and Chelsea want him it's just a report from The Daily Mirror that has been picked up by other media outlets and repeated.

Batshuayi went on loan to Borussia Dortmund in January after scoring 12 goals for Chelsea in all competitions including 2 for the academy. They then got Giroud in. Morata spent time on the bench as Chelsea often played without a proper central striker, using Eden Hazard in the false number 9 role. I can't see Rondon fitting in at all, his hold up play isn't good enough for the very top level.

Personally I have changed my opinion of Rondon (I was very critical of him due to his lack off goals) and do appreciate what he does for us. I hope he stays as I think he would be very good for us in the Championship, I just can't imagine that either Spurs or Chelsea really have any interest in him.
I did actually state “reportedly”, as for his hold up play not being great, before he came here it never had to be, despite his size he was never particularly a target man, he was used to balls at his feet and infront to run on to, Pulis tried to convert him, played to his strengths he’ll be a different player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 08, 2018, 01:33:26 PM
I have to wonder about the mental well-being of some of our supporters on here. Rondon is a far superior player to Vydra and Gayle. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on June 08, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
Rondon is technically awful and doesn't score any goals:

Season         Appearances / Subs              Goals
2016/2017               38(6)                            8
2017/2018               36(4)                            7

His main strengths are his heading and his ability to dive to win cheap free kicks. Happy to get £16m for him and move on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 08, 2018, 04:26:33 PM
Rondon is technically awful and doesn't score any goals:

Season         Appearances / Subs              Goals
2016/2017               38(6)                            8
2017/2018               36(4)                            7

His main strengths are his heading and his ability to dive to win cheap free kicks. Happy to get £16m for him and move on.
I’d suggest watching him before he came here and was ruined by Pulis, we have never played to his strengths, when we have played balls into him to run on to he’s done well, youve only got to look at the goal against Leicester the other year to see that. As you say his heading is an asset so how is he meant to use it with his back to goal 25 yards out having balls lumped at him, given good service he scored goals, see palace and Swansea. Have a look at his stats prior to joining us.
33 league goals in 73 games for zenit, 25 goals in 67 in La Liga, plus 15 goals in 30 games in European competitions. Pulis saw his size and thought he could make him a target Man and totally misused him, we have a history of signing strikers and not playing to their strengths, earnshaw and cox are two that spring to mind.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 08, 2018, 05:31:37 PM
I have to wonder about the mental well-being of some of our supporters on here. Rondon is a far superior player to Vydra and Gayle. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you.
When he goes to a club that uses his strengths he will get goals - Pity we didn’t have a manager that did that
What some do not see is how tough he is to play against - and at the top level - in a team that were not interested in attacking very much - he was a handful yet was so isolated his energy would often be spent battling - when we ever did make a chance for him he would be so tired no wonder he didn’t finish very well.
I for one hope he stays but wish him all the best at a better managed club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on June 09, 2018, 11:01:36 AM
If we could get him to stay, he would mash up the champ, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on June 09, 2018, 11:39:50 AM
Before Rondon came to us, he averaged between 1 goal in 2 or three games in Russia and La Liga. Since he joined us, he has averaged closer to 1 in 4.5 games.

Is it tactics? Strength of the league? Confidence? I don't know. But he has been more prolific in his career than he has been with us.

I've resigned myself to losing him, but he would be a very good player to keep hold of if we could.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 09, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
Rondon is technically awful and doesn't score any goals:

Season         Appearances / Subs              Goals
2016/2017               38(6)                            8
2017/2018               36(4)                            7

His main strengths are his heading and his ability to dive to win cheap free kicks. Happy to get £16m for him and move on.
I would point out that for all his years in the PL, Pulis’ teams only had a striker make double digits twice... it’s not a new phenomenon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 09, 2018, 12:36:40 PM
That would hold true about Pulis but he was the same under Pardew.  And even then it wouldn't be so bad but Rondon is guilty of missing very very good chances. You can't dress those chances up as being style of play, manager, etc. 

As to playing to his strengths, what are they? It's not finishing, it's more holding the ball up, using his strength, his aerial ability, all things I'd say we played to.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep him but we have to accept his finishing is pretty poor but I still think he'd score a decent amount in the champ.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 09, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Before Rondon came to us, he averaged between 1 goal in 2 or three games in Russia and La Liga. Since he joined us, he has averaged closer to 1 in 4.5 games.

Is it tactics? Strength of the league? Confidence? I don't know. But he has been more prolific in his career than he has been with us.
The same was true for Brown Ideye too. I think it's fair to say that, unless they're 9'8" and great in the air, having Pulis as your manager doesn't do much for a striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 09, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
I don't think you can compare the scoring rates of a player playing for a top Russian side and again for a team that's lower to mid table Prem.  Or put it this way, a 1 in 2 striker in the Prem will be one of the top strikers in the world.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Smooth Lad on June 09, 2018, 03:40:41 PM
I don't think you can compare the scoring rates of a player playing for a top Russian side and again for a team that's lower to mid table Prem.  Or put it this way, a 1 in 2 striker in the Prem will be one of the top strikers in the world.

Correct. 19 goals a season will get him moved to a top 6 team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charlebaggie on June 13, 2018, 06:33:19 PM
16million clause in his contract. How about saying to Newcastle then 10mill plus Dwight Gayle proven scorer in the Championship o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on June 13, 2018, 07:13:30 PM
I have to wonder about the mental well-being of some of our supporters on here. Rondon is a far superior player to Vydra and Gayle. If you can't see that, then there is no hope for you.

Could not agree more. The Rondon haters on here will no doubt be out in force telling us all how terrible he is. We should get used to the idea that we are not going to be spending £30 million on a striker - even if one would come to us! And Rondon is what he is - a £15 mil striker and they are all a punt. Not many suddenly score 25 goals a season even in the championship - ask the Vile they have three of them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2018, 07:56:58 PM
Could not agree more. The Rondon haters on here will no doubt be out in force telling us all how terrible he is. We should get used to the idea that we are not going to be spending £30 million on a striker - even if one would come to us! And Rondon is what he is - a £15 mil striker and they are all a punt. Not many suddenly score 25 goals a season even in the championship - ask the Vile they have three of them.


Was a good post until about half way through, because Rondon IS a £30 million striker, he's just got a silly low release clause which I guess we had to agree to to stand any chance of signing him in the first place.


Put it this way, when he's gone you won't see another as good as him for a good few years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charlebaggie on June 13, 2018, 08:31:33 PM
Could not agree more. The Rondon haters on here will no doubt be out in force telling us all how terrible he is. We should get used to the idea that we are not going to be spending £30 million on a striker - even if one would come to us! And Rondon is what he is - a £15 mil striker and they are all a punt. Not many suddenly score 25 goals a season even in the championship - ask the Vile they have three of them.
.   Not disputing Rondons ability but reality check He's going so we need to get the best deal and Gayle would suite the cause
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on June 13, 2018, 08:41:08 PM
I wouldn’t been keen on us signing Gayle, I would much rather we went after the Peterborough striker Jack Marriott.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on June 13, 2018, 08:58:52 PM
All I would say is that if he didn't have a £16.5m release how much would we be asking for him? One things for sure we wouldn't be selling him for that kind of stupidly low figure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on June 13, 2018, 10:13:47 PM
All I would say is that if he didn't have a £16.5m release how much would we be asking for him? One things for sure we wouldn't be selling him for that kind of stupidly low figure.

About 10 million. Bloke can’t hit a barn door and the goals are the same size in the championship
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 13, 2018, 11:13:57 PM
About 10 million. Bloke can’t hit a barn door and the goals are the same size in the championship
He still got the goal of the season for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 13, 2018, 11:15:57 PM
About 10 million. Bloke can’t hit a barn door and the goals are the same size in the championship
goals are the same size in Spain, Russia and Europe too where he averages a goal every 2.3 games in league and European competition.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 14, 2018, 02:59:39 AM
About 10 million. Bloke can’t hit a barn door and the goals are the same size in the championship

That would be why we rejected £32m from Tianjin Quanjian in 2017 then...

Beggars belief on here sometimes  ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 14, 2018, 07:27:28 AM
That would be why we rejected £32m from Tianjin Quanjian in 2017 then...

Beggars belief on here sometimes  ???
stock prices go up & down but he'd need no legs do have devalued by £22m.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2018, 08:30:55 AM
That would be why we rejected £32m from Tianjin Quanjian in 2017 then...

Beggars belief on here sometimes  ???
A quick reminder , this is a forum and other members are entitled to their view just as much as you are.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on June 14, 2018, 10:12:13 PM
A quick reminder , this is a forum and other members are entitled to their view just as much as you are.


Obviously, but stating the club would be asking for £10m when they rejected £32m isn't an opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2018, 10:13:54 PM

Obviously, but stating the club would be asking for £10m when they rejected £32m isn't an opinion.
The remark I refer to is " beggers belief on here sometimes " , hence the forum reminder .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on June 15, 2018, 04:45:00 PM
That would be why we rejected £32m from Tianjin Quanjian in 2017 then...

Utter madness not to sell him for that sort of money when we had the chance. Could have made an extra £30m had we sold Rondon in 2017 (when we were already safe) and Evans in the last couple of windows (who we played better without over the last year). That alone would have paid for a new Halford stand. Club has legacy of not moving players on at the right time. We did the same with Berahino who we sold for £12m having turned down bids of over £20m.

You'd think he'd be sold for his release clause of £16m but clubs haven't rushed in yet, like they did for Evans.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 15, 2018, 04:56:02 PM
Utter madness not to sell him for that sort of money when we had the chance. Could have made an extra £30m had we sold Rondon in 2017 (when we were already safe) and Evans in the last couple of windows (who we played better without over the last year). That alone would have paid for a new Halford stand. Club has legacy of not moving players on at the right time. We did the same with Berahino who we sold for £12m having turned down bids of over £20m.

You'd think he'd be sold for his release clause of £16m but clubs haven't rushed in yet, like they did for Evans.

Should imagine Rondon could be used as a deadline day signing by any club. So if he's still here on the 9th August it will be squeaky bum time if we've haven't strengthened adequately as a result of him being here. All someone has to do is meet that clause that day and we're in trouble.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 15, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
Utter madness not to sell him for that sort of money when we had the chance. Could have made an extra £30m had we sold Rondon in 2017 (when we were already safe) and Evans in the last couple of windows (who we played better without over the last year). That alone would have paid for a new Halford stand. Club has legacy of not moving players on at the right time. We did the same with Berahino who we sold for £12m having turned down bids of over £20m.

You'd think he'd be sold for his release clause of £16m but clubs haven't rushed in yet, like they did for Evans.
totally agree, sheer lunacy not to sell him late on deadline day when we still had HRK anyway. He’s clearly not rated by anyone in football because no one has activated his 16.5mil release clause but Leicester activated Evans’ 3.5mil one very quick after arsenal and Man City didn’t follow up their large bids from previous windows.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 15, 2018, 05:37:43 PM
There won't be much done transfer wise with the world cup being on this summer.  It's nearly always after the world cup when teams start moving for players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on June 15, 2018, 10:49:41 PM
There won't be much done transfer wise with the world cup being on this summer.  It's nearly always after the world cup when teams start moving for players.

I agree but it’s slightly different this year as the window closes earlier so the market should be heating up sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on June 16, 2018, 05:41:10 AM
There won't be much done transfer wise with the world cup being on this summer.  It's nearly always after the world cup when teams start moving for players.

Only leaves 3 weeks to get deals done after World Cup ends, and we will be 2-3 weeks into pre season training by then. I sincerely hope we get some deals done before then but it does seems obvious we won’t be buying until we get funds from sale of Rondon, Chadli or Dawson etc depart.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 16, 2018, 05:03:36 PM
totally agree, sheer lunacy not to sell him late on deadline day when we still had HRK anyway. He’s clearly not rated by anyone in football because no one has activated his 16.5mil release clause but Leicester activated Evans’ 3.5mil one very quick after arsenal and Man City didn’t follow up their large bids from previous windows.

There are plenty of players with release clauses that haven't been activated yet. It's a bit naive to think there is no interest in him Newcastle for one, are 100% interested.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on June 17, 2018, 11:26:38 AM

Was a good post until about half way through, because Rondon IS a £30 million striker, he's just got a silly low release clause which I guess we had to agree to to stand any chance of signing him in the first place.


Put it this way, when he's gone you won't see another as good as him for a good few years.

i agree with you totally. my use of the 15 million striker phrase relates to what we paid for him - and what we might have got spending 15 million elsewhere. i think i might be dead by the time we spend 30 million on a striker - and that is what replacing rondon would cost.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 17, 2018, 11:42:48 AM
There are plenty of players with release clauses that haven't been activated yet. It's a bit naive to think there is no interest in him Newcastle for one, are 100% interested.
sorry my post was pure sarcasm and disbelief that people think we should have sold him with no replacement. Personally I think rondon is class and played right will score goals in any team, he’ll leave us and be successful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 19, 2018, 03:51:55 PM
If Stoke can get Joe Allen to sign a 4 year deal, we should be doing all we can to keep our star players (Such as Rondon, J-Rod and Dawson).

Wonder if there is a release clause in there that becomes active after 12 months in the prem...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 19, 2018, 07:27:07 PM
There are plenty of players with release clauses that haven't been activated yet. It's a bit naive to think there is no interest in him Newcastle for one, are 100% interested.

Wonder if HRK has a release clause?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on June 19, 2018, 07:40:30 PM
Wonder if HRK has a release clause?

Let’s hope now as that means we are stuck with him  :(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on June 20, 2018, 12:52:52 AM
Let’s hope now as that means we are stuck with him  :(

Someone from overseas would have him if they were desperate and we actually transfer listed the bloke.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 21, 2018, 08:14:56 AM
There is a thread for discussing Robson- Kanu, this is the Salomon Rondon thread.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 05, 2018, 06:46:24 PM
“Newcastle United's record breaking swoop for West Brom's Salomon Rondon”

Looks like he might be on his way

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-rondon-newcastle-nufc-14864758
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 05, 2018, 07:23:18 PM
Rondon put a post on instagram yesterday saying family first, not sure what he meant by that. He has said his children are settled in the Schools around here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: royhan on July 05, 2018, 07:28:22 PM
“Newcastle United's record breaking swoop for West Brom's Salomon Rondon”

Looks like he might be on his way

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-rondon-newcastle-nufc-14864758

Sadly in my view, it is inevitable that Rondon will move on in this window. Who are we going to replace him with?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 05, 2018, 08:19:21 PM
Sadly in my view, it is inevitable that Rondon will move on in this window. Who are we going to replace him with?

The release clause in his contract is there so that he can leave once the clause is met.
Unless he over rules his agent, I think he will be off
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 05, 2018, 08:58:12 PM
Sadly in my view, it is inevitable that Rondon will move on in this window. Who are we going to replace him with?

Another none-goalscoring striker maybe?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 06, 2018, 12:33:06 AM
Please keep transfer discussion in the transfer thread

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=21845.0
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mig on July 06, 2018, 07:21:46 AM
Another none-goalscoring striker maybe?

Harry Kane would have been a non goalscoring striker in that Pulis team.

Rondon will be the biggest loss of ours this summer, and the hardest to replace with similar quality other than Chadli.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 06, 2018, 08:29:43 AM
Harry Kane would have been a non goalscoring striker in that Pulis team.

Rondon will be the biggest loss of ours this summer, and the hardest to replace with similar quality other than Chadli.

We need to make sure we hang on to Rondon or JRod plus add another striker at least to the pack.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on July 06, 2018, 08:33:02 AM
Harry Kane would have been a non goalscoring striker in that Pulis team.

Rondon will be the biggest loss of ours this summer, and the hardest to replace with similar quality other than Chadli.

Might be true if it wasn't for watching Rondon miss chance after chance.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 06, 2018, 08:36:11 AM
Might be true if it wasn't for watching Rondon miss chance after chance.

True. Pulis's way of playing has nothing to do with your striker missing the net from 2 or 3 feet out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on July 06, 2018, 09:22:25 AM
I like him but £16.5m for someone who's scored 24 goals in 3 seasons, does sound like decent business.
Hope we see a replacement who's more of a goalscorer than a holder upper.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on July 06, 2018, 09:47:11 AM
£16m is a decent wedge of cash to have in the Championship market.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 06, 2018, 03:48:40 PM
£16m is a decent wedge of cash to have in the Championship market.

But I would argue we would be better off keeping rondon in this case. We wouldn't be able to replace him and I think he is more than capable of tearing the championship a new one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIE5 on July 06, 2018, 05:48:13 PM
Id also argue if he has a good period until January and a bid comes in, he might just stay.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 06, 2018, 05:51:12 PM
I’d be utterly amazed if he kicks a single ball for us in the championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 07, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
But I would argue we would be better off keeping rondon in this case. We wouldn't be able to replace him and I think he is more than capable of tearing the championship a new one.

Both Vydra and Hernandez are still available and would cost less than £16M each.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 07, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
Anyone know if the relegation clause price remains if he stays but gets a transfer in the January window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Anyone know if the relegation clause price remains if he stays but gets a transfer in the January window.

I suspect that if that clause is in his contract and his contract hasn’t expired, then it can be activated in any of the transfer windows
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 07, 2018, 08:27:05 PM
Anyone know if the relegation clause price remains if he stays but gets a transfer in the January window.

I am still of the opinion that it's linked to a wages flex down.

For Example: If we are relegated the payer has an option to either: see out his contract on a reduced wage or, he can buy-out his contract for an agreed lump sum.
In Rondon's situation, if he stayed he would be on a reduced wage (but looking at Morrison's situation, that might not kick in until August 1st).
I would imagine the buy out clause would remain in place while we are not in the Premier League, but if it became a longer term thing, the lump sum value might change
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 09, 2018, 09:19:55 AM
I think this season would be the last year of his contract.  So, he could choose to stay in order to become a free agent at the end of next season and receive bigger wages/signing on fee in 12 months time.  That would see us miss out on the £16.5m all together, but if he scores the goals that get us promoted then its probably worth it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 13, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
“NUFC to go back in for £16m striker after Benitez misses out on his top target”

Stop messing about Rafa, do you want him or not?

Source: http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/13/nufc-to-go-back-in-for-16m-striker-after-benitez-misses-out-on-his-top-target-report/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on July 13, 2018, 07:01:40 PM
Sadly in my view, it is inevitable that Rondon will move on in this window. Who are we going to replace him with?
Somebody who can score goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 13, 2018, 07:38:32 PM
“NUFC to go back in for £16m striker after Benitez misses out on his top target”

Stop messing about Rafa, do you want him or not?

Source: http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/13/nufc-to-go-back-in-for-16m-striker-after-benitez-misses-out-on-his-top-target-report/

That's a blog mate, they've been printing the same sh** for weeks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 13, 2018, 08:19:32 PM
Jacko has assured me that the top european clubs will be forming an orderly queue to snap-up the none-goalscoring striker Rondon, still no sign of it however. Funny that. Almost like he doesn't know what he's talking about. Praying Newcastle are gullible enough to meet his release clause. I will be writing a letter of apology to whichever club is desperate enough to sign him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on July 13, 2018, 08:33:41 PM
Jacko has assured me that the top european clubs will be forming an orderly queue to snap-up the none-goalscoring striker Rondon, still no sign of it however. Funny that. Almost like he doesn't know what he's talking about. Praying Newcastle are gullible enough to meet his release clause. I will be writing a letter of apology to whichever club is desperate enough to sign him.

Not sure what your agenda is but Rondon is the best forward we have had in the last decade. Maybe not numbers wise but he is a more rounded forward than I have seen. I cant stand the guy but he is however a real talent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 13, 2018, 08:41:21 PM
Why can’t you stand him

Comes across as a genuine guy
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 13, 2018, 08:45:33 PM
Not sure what your agenda is but Rondon is the best forward we have had in the last decade. Maybe not numbers wise but he is a more rounded forward than I have seen. I cant stand the guy but he is however a real talent.


Odemwingie was better, Lukaku obviously, but aside from those players totally agree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 13, 2018, 09:58:48 PM
If we keep Rondon, we almost certainly get promoted, maybe not better than Odemwingie, but more consistent and certainly a better attitude.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIE5 on July 13, 2018, 10:01:20 PM
Not sure what your agenda is but Rondon is the best forward we have had in the last decade. Maybe not numbers wise but he is a more rounded forward than I have seen. I cant stand the guy but he is however a real talent.

I think there is an agenda here. Look back at comments he or she makes and they are all negative.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 13, 2018, 10:03:18 PM
If we keep Rondon, we almost certainly get promoted, maybe not better than Odemwingie, but more consistent and certainly a better attitude.

The acid test is whether he can kick the ball in the net.

He certainly shouldn’t be getting plaudits for nothing more than application, work rate and smiling a lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 13, 2018, 10:15:24 PM
Not sure what your agenda is but Rondon is the best forward we have had in the last decade. Maybe not numbers wise but he is a more rounded forward than I have seen. I cant stand the guy but he is however a real talent.

I raise you Peter Odemwingie who was a class act. I like Rondon but he was no Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 13, 2018, 11:07:33 PM
I raise you Peter Odemwingie who was a class act. I like Rondon but he was no Odemwingie.

Two totally different players.

Both of whom would love playing with each other
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: collins101 on July 14, 2018, 12:07:39 AM
I think there is an agenda here. Look back at comments he or she makes and they are all negative.


Glad I'm not the only one to realise this lol.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 14, 2018, 12:28:11 AM
I think there is an agenda here. Look back at comments he or she makes and they are all negative.

You mean consistent.
24 goals in 108 games.
Relegation after averaging less than a goal a game.
Nothing to cheer about - just been upsurged by our rivals with ambitious owners.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 14, 2018, 12:37:11 AM
Why can’t you stand him. Comes across as a genuine guy

One of the most naive posts I have ever read on this forum or elsewhere. He trips over his own laces and scores in single digits each season but hey he smiles and runs around a lot so what’s not to adore! That kind of mindset drives me nuts.

No amount of crocodile tears distracted me from the burning image of his catastrophic inability to score basic goal scoring chances at key times in key games against Everton, Swanse, Stoke, Palace to name a few. We gave this guy a platform and then got relegated averaging less than a goal a game. 

The sooner the none-goalscoring striker is failing to score goals for someone else rather than us the more confident I’ll be we might have a chance of having a half decent season.

I just find it incredible than any other of our fanbase actually rate him. I’m now concerned that no-one will be naive enough to buy out his sell on clause and we’ll be struck with him next season as well. At which point no doubt another creative list of excuses will emerge to justify his inability to do his job.

Apologises for the rant...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on July 14, 2018, 12:37:51 AM
There is a thread for discussing Robson- Kanu, this is the Salomon Rondon thread.

It’s about strikers, does it really matter that much?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on July 14, 2018, 05:36:52 AM
Two totally different players.

Both of whom would love playing with each other
I bet they would  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on July 14, 2018, 07:53:09 AM
It’s about strikers, does it really matter that much?
Yes it does , keeps the forum nice and tidy for a start.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on July 14, 2018, 09:47:13 AM
One of the most naive posts I have ever read on this forum or elsewhere. He trips over his own laces and scores in single digits each season but hey he smiles and runs around a lot so what’s not to adore! That kind of mindset drives me nuts.

No amount of crocodile tears distracted me from the burning image of his catastrophic inability to score basic goal scoring chances at key times in key games against Everton, Swanse, Stoke, Palace to name a few. We gave this guy a platform and then got relegated averaging less than a goal a game. 

The sooner the none-goalscoring striker is failing to score goals for someone else rather than us the more confident I’ll be we might have a chance of having a half decent season.

I just find it incredible than any other of our fanbase actually rate him. I’m now concerned that no-one will be naive enough to buy out his sell on clause and we’ll be struck with him next season as well. At which point no doubt another creative list of excuses will emerge to justify his inability to do his job.

Apologises for the rant...

I know we're in the minority on here, but I whole-heartedly agree with you! I'd prefer us to move Rondon on, bring Vydra in, (proven at our level), and see how he gets on with the support of J.Rod, Burke, Philips and Field.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on July 14, 2018, 10:40:33 AM
I know we're in the minority on here, but I whole-heartedly agree with you! I'd prefer us to move Rondon on, bring Vydra in, (proven at our level), and see how he gets on with the support of J.Rod, Burke, Philips and Field.

Vydra in Rondon out, are you serious? Look at the amount of goals vydra scored in the premier. I really am amazed the amount of fans slaughter our players like Rondon, Dawson, jay etc etc the players we are being linked with are not a patch on these be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 14, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
Vydra in Rondon out, are you serious? Look at the amount of goals vydra scored in the premier. I really am amazed the amount of fans slaughter our players like Rondon, Dawson, jay etc etc the players we are being linked with are not a patch on these be careful what you wish for.

Just a reminder, we're not in the Premier any more.
Vydra is a proven scorer at the level were at know so I wouldn't be that disappointed if he came back here.
I don't know how Rondon would fair in the Champs tbh.
The goals never move and are the same size as the one's he's missed hitting from 2 yards on a number of occasions.
I wouldn't be against keeping Rondon but I think if we are to bring in a decent striker on decent wages then Rondon or JRod will be going. If we could get Vydra and get rid of HRK then that would be utopia.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on July 14, 2018, 11:09:18 AM
Get rid of HRK for anyone be a blessing. Dont want Vydra . I can see Rondom strating the season with us not really anyone fighting over him that i can see. I would like to keep him .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on July 14, 2018, 12:16:30 PM

Odemwingie was better, Lukaku obviously, but aside from those players totally agree.

I made a point of using the word "forward" and not striker. Rondon is a forward, forwards generally play with their backs to the goal, hold the ball up and bring others into play and chipin with a few goals. Lukaku and Pete were both strikers i.e. play facing the goal and generally play on the last shoulder, excellent finishers and pick up the scraps.

I cant think of a better "forward" than Rondon in the recent past.

Also the reason I don't like him is that any player who throws his shirt on the floor and refuses to be a sub is not very high on my Christmas list.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 14, 2018, 10:38:54 PM
Rondon was not in the squad today? Was he injured? Or.....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: royhan on July 14, 2018, 10:40:56 PM
Rondon was not in the squad today? Was he injured? Or.....

Injured, I was told earlier
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Yardley on July 16, 2018, 08:57:06 PM
Newcastle are expected to tie up a deal for their top summer target Solomon Rondon in the next week – and TEAMtalk sources can reveal an impressive cut-price raid could be agreed.

The Venezuelan striker has been identified by Rafa Benitez as the man he wants to lead his strikeforce next season, with Aleksander Mitrovic expected to make a permanent move to Fulham.
Rondon, 28, has a release clause of £16.5million in his contract but TEAMtalk can reveal Newcastle want the deal as an initial loan – and have offered £4million now and then a further £15million next summer to make the deal permanent.

West Brom would rather sell now, and although Rondon’s wages have almost halved from £75,000-a-week to £40,000, they are desperate to shed his salary and look likely to agree to Newcastle’s request.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 16, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Can’t see us agreeing to that at all
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on July 16, 2018, 09:18:29 PM
Doesn’t his contract expire next summer?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 16, 2018, 09:27:47 PM
No way would we agree to that,if they want him,I don't want him to go,put your money up front,its 16:5 million please,or look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 16, 2018, 09:33:32 PM
Newcastle are expected to tie up a deal for their top summer target Solomon Rondon in the next week – and TEAMtalk sources can reveal an impressive cut-price raid could be agreed.

The Venezuelan striker has been identified by Rafa Benitez as the man he wants to lead his strikeforce next season, with Aleksander Mitrovic expected to make a permanent move to Fulham.
Rondon, 28, has a release clause of £16.5million in his contract but TEAMtalk can reveal Newcastle want the deal as an initial loan – and have offered £4million now and then a further £15million next summer to make the deal permanent.

West Brom would rather sell now, and although Rondon’s wages have almost halved from £75,000-a-week to £40,000, they are desperate to shed his salary and look likely to agree to Newcastle’s request.

We've had a loan to overcome a cash flow problem & we're going to defer a payment of £15 million for a year?.

If Rondon's wages are £40k per week, that equates to £2 million a year.

Even if we didn't replace him, we would gain circa £6 million, what sort of centre forward would we get for that?

What would you do?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 16, 2018, 09:36:01 PM
is it such a bad offer? we'd basically be getting £2.5m for loaning him out for 12 months. wouldn't his replacement be paid for in instalments so the £16.5m wouldn't be needed. sure Jenkins said we don't need to sell before we buy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on July 16, 2018, 09:41:04 PM
Newcastle are expected to tie up a deal for their top summer target Solomon Rondon in the next week – and TEAMtalk sources can reveal an impressive cut-price raid could be agreed.

The Venezuelan striker has been identified by Rafa Benitez as the man he wants to lead his strikeforce next season, with Aleksander Mitrovic expected to make a permanent move to Fulham.
Rondon, 28, has a release clause of £16.5million in his contract but TEAMtalk can reveal Newcastle want the deal as an initial loan – and have offered £4million now and then a further £15million next summer to make the deal permanent.

West Brom would rather sell now, and although Rondon’s wages have almost halved from £75,000-a-week to £40,000, they are desperate to shed his salary and look likely to agree to Newcastle’s request.

What a garbage deal for us !!   WHO WOULD WE REPLACE HIM WITH ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on July 16, 2018, 09:48:46 PM
Depends if they are obliged to sign him permanently next summer, if so it equates to £19m which is good money as long as we have funds available to get a quality replacement in this summer. If they are not obliged to sign him permanently next summer then it's an atrocious deal and one I couldn't see us agreeing to.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on July 16, 2018, 10:11:07 PM
Could we just loan him for a season and then he is still ours if we go up, sort of like what we did with Foster?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 16, 2018, 10:29:47 PM
Newcastle are expected to tie up a deal for their top summer target Solomon Rondon in the next week – and TEAMtalk sources can reveal an impressive cut-price raid could be agreed.

The Venezuelan striker has been identified by Rafa Benitez as the man he wants to lead his strikeforce next season, with Aleksander Mitrovic expected to make a permanent move to Fulham.
Rondon, 28, has a release clause of £16.5million in his contract but TEAMtalk can reveal Newcastle want the deal as an initial loan – and have offered £4million now and then a further £15million next summer to make the deal permanent.

West Brom would rather sell now, and although Rondon’s wages have almost halved from £75,000-a-week to £40,000, they are desperate to shed his salary and look likely to agree to Newcastle’s request.

Not the best of sources.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on July 16, 2018, 10:33:09 PM
So why do they want to loan him first? To see if he can play I guess, and if he doesn't fit in, we get him back and they save £15m...... quite cute really, a good deal for them and a rubbish deal for WBA.

Terrible deal......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on July 16, 2018, 10:36:13 PM
Rondon only has a year left on his deal. Why would Newcastle agree to pay £15 million next summer for a player they could pick up on a free, especially when the total deal ends more expensive than just agreeing his clause now. If it was to help stagger the payments, just agree a deal paid in instalments like they typically are.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 16, 2018, 10:37:59 PM
is it such a bad offer? we'd basically be getting £2.5m for loaning him out for 12 months. wouldn't his replacement be paid for in instalments so the £16.5m wouldn't be needed. sure Jenkins said we don't need to sell before we buy.

From Matt Wilson E & S

Quote
Although Albion do have parachute payments to help them in the transfer market, the Baggies are currently operating in an overdraft thanks to last summer’s £40m splurge.

The club is unable to splash out on significant transfer fees without receiving money from sales.

Albion have received just over £7m so far this summer for Jonny Evans and Ben Foster, and spent £10.5m on Johnstone and Bartley.

However, they could still be given a cash injection later in the window that will supplement more signings.

Not sure what the value of the overdraft is, but interest payments could be quite significant, so the £16.5 million would be needed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 16, 2018, 11:33:14 PM
Teamtalk - making it up as they go along usually. £19m for him over 12 months would be better than £16m now. Local journalists won’t know what the state of our cash flow is either. No way the senior management at the club would reveal that. Wages have been flexed down and we’ve released a lot of players from the wage bill. Gmac, Foster, Yacob, Myhill out, Johnson and Bartley in - so we obviously trimmed the wage bill a  bit already. Chadli look like he’s off, another high earner. If Rondon gets sold as well then we should have plenty of scope to strength the team. Bear in mind most the players coming in will command lower wages than those they are replacing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 17, 2018, 12:14:18 AM
From Matt Wilson E & S

Not sure what the value of the overdraft is, but interest payments could be quite significant, so the £16.5 million would be needed.
wasn't the overdraft a short term deal because the club was waiting for its payment from sky/tv ? the overdraft was to cover may- July with the club set to receive £100m in july. the link below explains the details and also mentions we don't need to sell before we buy.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/03/30/stay-away-fans-add-to-west-broms-woes-new-figures-reveal/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on July 17, 2018, 04:08:06 AM
 ;D Why don't we just keep him then ? Keep him on half wages as everyone else is. Why loan him out for a year that doesn't make sense???

Maybe we keep him till Xmas and maybe by then he has banged in 15 or so goals in the Chumps and we get $17m for him then?? Makes more sense. ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 17, 2018, 07:05:51 AM
The teamtalk story makes no sense. Newcastle can just trigger the release clause and sign the player for £16.5m why would they pay £19m for a player who will be a free agent at the end of next season?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 17, 2018, 07:49:21 AM
The teamtalk story makes no sense. Newcastle can just trigger the release clause and sign the player for £16.5m why would they pay £19m for a player who will be a free agent at the end of next season?

Probably FFP and/or leaves them more money to spend this summer on other players. Same reason people buy goods on credit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 17, 2018, 07:55:08 AM
wasn't the overdraft a short term deal because the club was waiting for its payment from sky/tv ? the overdraft was to cover may- July with the club set to receive £100m in july. the link below explains the details and also mentions we don't need to sell before we buy.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/03/30/stay-away-fans-add-to-west-broms-woes-new-figures-reveal/

We'd still have to pay interest on the loan.

Didn't say we don't need to sell before we buy, did say we don't have to sell players.
I assume he meant to pay debts (as per Villa).

As others have said though, doesn't make sense from a Newcastle viewpoint either, when they could sign him for free in 12 months
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on July 17, 2018, 08:04:33 AM
The teamtalk story makes no sense. Newcastle can just trigger the release clause and sign the player for £16.5m why would they pay £19m for a player who will be a free agent at the end of next season?
the article I’ve seen states they want to pay significantly less than 16.5mil initially but put together a package with add ons that could potentially take it to 19mil, I highly doubt the club would accept it, they’d probably want clauses involving winning the champions league and golden boot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 17, 2018, 08:05:13 AM
Nothing wrong with this deal at all. Ultimately we get £3m more for him. Almost all transfer fees are paid in installments anyway. If we have guaranteed income coming from the permanent transfer of then there is no reason why we can't spend that now.

In fact if we do end up selling Dawson, Phillips, Rodriguez, Chadli this summer we would probably quite like to have a nice big sum to spend next summer, Jenkins might not want to spend it now. We wouldnt be short of money this summer anyway.

Its all accounting and finance stuff which i don't understand but i'm sure future guaranteed income is as good as cash in the bank when it comes to football finances.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 17, 2018, 08:07:02 AM
We'd still have to pay interest on the loan.

Didn't say we don't need to sell before we buy, did say we don't have to sell players.
I assume he meant to pay debts (as per Villa).

As others have said though, doesn't make sense from a Newcastle viewpoint either, when they could sign him for free in 12 months
wasn't questioning your post John just saying that the overdraft wasn't going to be a problem with the £100m cash boost this month.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 17, 2018, 08:12:40 AM
maybe Rondons willing to sign a new contract if we go back up, he goes on loan for 12 months we get £2.5m and drop his wages for the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 17, 2018, 08:20:24 AM
Nothing wrong with this deal at all. Ultimately we get £3m more for him. Almost all transfer fees are paid in installments anyway. If we have guaranteed income coming from the permanent transfer of then there is no reason why we can't spend that now.

In fact if we do end up selling Dawson, Phillips, Rodriguez, Chadli this summer we would probably quite like to have a nice big sum to spend next summer, Jenkins might not want to spend it now. We wouldnt be short of money this summer anyway.

Its all accounting and finance stuff which i don't understand but i'm sure future guaranteed income is as good as cash in the bank when it comes to football finances.


Villa still owe us £2 million for James Chester, so I don't think it is. Debtor owings can soon turn into bad debts, cash in the bank every time for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 17, 2018, 08:53:57 AM
You are quite right John, and many a bad debt has to be written off.
Money in the bank is best every time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 17, 2018, 09:39:22 AM
I think football clubs are the first debtors to be paid, befofore suppliers and HMRC when a club hits trouble.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 17, 2018, 10:12:13 AM
It's HMRC first then football debts.

Unless he signs a new contract then loaning Rondon for a season makes no sense.  By the time the loan is over he is a free agent and can sign for whoever he wants, and West Brom will get nothing.

A deal where he is sold now with structured payments - low payment this summer - could work.  Especially if Jenkins wants to know now (plan) where a big lump sum is coming from next summer (if we are not promoted).

£16.5 right now would be better.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on July 17, 2018, 10:17:43 AM
Maybe i’ll be proved totally wrong but I don’t recal a ‘Teamtalk’ exclusive ever being 100%
Time will tell,
Until Percy speaks .......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 17, 2018, 10:25:23 AM
I do not see a scenario whereby Rondon stays this summer, sadly.

However we do it, you know that with Jenkins at the helm there will be some financial benefit to whatever the chosen structure of the deal will be. I imagine if we do loan him out then it will be similar to such deals as the Valero once a few years back, there is clearly method to the madness
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 17, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
HMRC gets first dibs always.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on July 17, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
It's HMRC first then football debts.

Unless he signs a new contract then loaning Rondon for a season makes no sense.  By the time the loan is over he is a free agent and can sign for whoever he wants, and West Brom will get nothing.

A deal where he is sold now with structured payments - low payment this summer - could work.  Especially if Jenkins wants to know now (plan) where a big lump sum is coming from next summer (if we are not promoted).

£16.5 right now would be better.

I don't think that's right.

HMRC lost its preferential creditor status in 2002 thanks to Gordon Brown.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 17, 2018, 10:47:27 AM
This is from the Northern Echo, a more reliable source

Quote
NEWCASTLE

Newcastle’s interest in West Brom striker Salomon Rondon has been well known for a number of weeks now, but Mike Ashley has been reluctant to splash out more than £20m on a package for the striker.

Rondon has a £16.5m release clause in his contract, but once wages over the course of a long-term deal are factored into the equation, Newcastle would be committing more than £20m to the purchase of the striker, who turns 29 in September, if they were to complete a permanent deal now.

Therefore, a potential compromise has emerged, which would see Newcastle pay a £4m loan fee to sign Rondon for the forthcoming season, with a view to paying a further £15m if they opt to complete a permanent transfer next summer.

The deal would suit the Magpies, as it would spread the cost of their payment for Rondon and effectively enable them to take the Venezuela international on a year-long trial, but it remains to be seen whether it is acceptable to the West Brom board.

The Baggies need to trim their wage bill considerably in the wake of last season’s relegation to the Championship, but Newcastle’s proposal could mean Rondon returns to them next summer if he fails to impress at St James’ Park. At this stage, it is uncertain whether the West Brom hierarchy will deem that to be acceptable.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 17, 2018, 10:51:17 AM
I wouldn't accept any loan deal for Rondon if the transfer at the end of the loan wasn't permanent. £4m +  'With a view to' is not good to us. We only get £4m then a 29 yo Rondon with 1 year left on contract back next summer with greatly dimished value.

If it was £4m + £15m next summer guaranteed then it would be fine with me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on July 17, 2018, 11:58:25 AM
I wouldn't accept any loan deal for Rondon if the transfer at the end of the loan wasn't permanent. £4m +  'With a view to' is not good to us. We only get £4m then a 29 yo Rondon with 1 year left on contract back next summer with greatly dimished value.

If it was £4m + £15m next summer guaranteed then it would be fine with me.

If they are happy to pay £15m next summer then surely they can pay it now. They either want him or they don't, and there are a few variables in the equation, such as' could he go for free at the end of next season? what happens to him if we do not get promoted? and what happens to him if we do get promoted? Whilst I like his attitude, he was misfiring for us last season which is partly the reason why we were relegated.

Personally I would like to keep him this season, I think he could be a real force in the division., Having said that, if he misfires again at a lower div then we have a real problem......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 17, 2018, 12:40:33 PM
I don't think wages are going to be a big deal for us next season, on that basis, I'd stick out for the highest transfer fee I could get on our players.

It's doubtful, with Rondon's track record with us, that he would be in a position to command a wage of £70 odd k per week, so it could be in his interests to stay with us for next season to put himself in the shop window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
The Northern Echo start by saying we need to trim our wage bill following relegation (ignoring the fact that 4 of our top earners have now all left - Sturridge, Krychowiak, Foster and Evans -and everyone else is on a flex down).

They then say that we might be tempted to accept 4 million with a view to £15 million next summer in Newcastle's favour. He is in the final year of his contract according to the express and star, sobthat deal clearly makes no sense.

I don't blame the journo as such, because they are working on an ever diminishing budget, but it sounds like the paper have been thr clubs mouth piece a bit there, judt reporting whatever Newcastle have told them rather than looking a bit deeper.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 17, 2018, 10:32:44 PM
£4m now and a guaranteed £15m next season with the loan automatically becoming a permanent signing makes sense. But a loan-only deal with the optional to buy would be a ridiculous move for the Albion. Glad to see that being given short shrift in the local press. Not least as Newcastle may come to understand that a striker who averages 8 goals a season and is nearing 30 isn't what is required to be successful in the PL. No-one else seems to be in for him at the moment which is a shame as it would put the heat on Newcastle to put the cash up. Looks like they are trying to sell Mitrovic first who I think is a better player anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIE5 on July 18, 2018, 12:51:22 PM
The Northern Echo start by saying we need to trim our wage bill following relegation (ignoring the fact that 4 of our top earners have now all left - Sturridge, Krychowiak, Foster and Evans -and everyone else is on a flex down).

They then say that we might be tempted to accept 4 million with a view to £15 million next summer in Newcastle's favour. He is in the final year of his contract according to the express and star, sobthat deal clearly makes no sense.

I don't blame the journo as such, because they are working on an ever diminishing budget, but it sounds like the paper have been thr clubs mouth piece a bit there, judt reporting whatever Newcastle have told them rather than looking a bit deeper.

Im sure Rondons contract is a year left with an option of another in clubs favour.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 19, 2018, 01:49:17 AM
Rondon is definitely going into the last year of his contract we don't have an option for an additional year. Some sort of loan to buy deal makes no sense at all. Newcastle's problem seems that they don't want to offer him a long term deal because of his age and very limited sell on value. They are probably right but that is not our problem we need the player and are happy to forgo the £16.5m. From our perspective he will cost us roughly £5.5m for next season in fees and wages a replacement who might not be as good will cost every bit of that. 

There is no point in Newcastle trying to low ball us on the deal we don't need to sell. The flex down clauses make the wage bill manageable plus we have lost and won't replace 4 of last seasons biggest earners. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on July 19, 2018, 02:40:27 AM
Looks like Fulham are closing in on Mitrovic for 20 mill (worlds gone mad) and will then pay Rondon's release clause of 16.5. So i guess the question is who do we want? 2 players for that price or 1 replacement striker?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2018, 08:02:44 AM
Looks like Fulham are closing in on Mitrovic for 20 mill (worlds gone mad) and will then pay Rondon's release clause of 16.5. So i guess the question is who do we want? 2 players for that price or 1 replacement striker?

I'd be looking at using the money to get both Vydra and Abel Hernandez in, if both are still available, would probably cost somewhere in the region of £20M for the pair.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 19, 2018, 08:21:57 AM
I'd be looking at using the money to get both Vydra and Abel Hernandez in, if both are still available, would probably cost somewhere in the region of £20M for the pair.

I think I’ve read that the asking price for Vydra is £11m, but Hernandez is a free agent, so we would have a lot of change leftover from £20m
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on July 19, 2018, 08:47:12 AM
I read that Hernandez was demanding £60k/week, pricing himself out of a Championship contract.  After our flexdowns I can’t see us paying him remotely close to that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on July 19, 2018, 09:19:30 AM
I read that Hernandez was demanding £60k/week, pricing himself out of a Championship contract.  After our flexdowns I can’t see us paying him remotely close to that.
thing is if Vydra cost 11mil on 35k for 3 years that’s around 16.5mil outlay. hernandez on 60k per week over 3yrs is circa 9.5mil leaving room to pay him a signing on fee, it’s a case of are either interested and if so which one would the club prefer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2018, 09:58:51 AM
I think I’ve read that the asking price for Vydra is £11m, but Hernandez is a free agent, so we would have a lot of change leftover from £20m

yes you are right, I'd forgotten that Hernandez was a free agent (it's all gone very quiet up here with news about him!)

I read that Hernandez was demanding £60k/week, pricing himself out of a Championship contract.  After our flexdowns I can’t see us paying him remotely close to that.

He might at the moment be demanding that kind of wage but if no one is willing to pay that kind of wage then he will after compromise. He was rumoured to be after a move back to Italy, can't imagine that the clubs that would be interested in him would be willing/able to pay that kind of wage?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 19, 2018, 10:03:09 AM
Anybody itk about any new players coming in?
Interested in,is all I see.
Done well so far but only a couple of weeks left till new season begins.
Unless,we are keeping a decent core of players,its all a bit last minute isn't it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on July 19, 2018, 10:18:50 AM
From what i got told last week, Big Dave wants to keep the same squad if he can.

I think we are signing another backup keeper but from what i can gather unless people are sold we wont be signing anyone else, i was told that was Big Daves choice but whether there is a sell before we buy policy from the board too i dont know.

Was also told that the youngsters will be making the step up to fill the gaps of the players who have already left (Greg, Sturridge, Gmac, Yacob)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on July 19, 2018, 10:22:36 AM
From what i got told last week, Big Dave wants to keep the same squad if he can.

I think we are signing another backup keeper but from what i can gather unless people are sold we wont be signing anyone else, i was told that was Big Daves choice but whether there is a sell before we buy policy from the board too i dont know.

Was also told that the youngsters will be making the step up to fill the gaps of the players who have already left (Greg, Sturridge, Gmac, Yacob)
Problem with that MO is if we get acceptable offers late in the window it leaves us with very limited options and even less time aka Earnshaw re visited !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on July 19, 2018, 10:37:31 AM
Problem with that MO is if we get acceptable offers late in the window it leaves us with very limited options and even less time aka Earnshaw re visited !
That risk exists in every window though mate, we turned down an offer for Evans late in January I believe, the only difference is the release clauses.
Does anyone know what happens if someone triggers a release clause at the 11th hour? Do we still have to honour it or is there a pre-deadline deadline?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on July 19, 2018, 10:54:22 AM
That risk exists in every window though mate, we turned down an offer for Evans late in January I believe, the only difference is the release clauses.
Does anyone know what happens if someone triggers a release clause at the 11th hour? Do we still have to honour it or is there a pre-deadline deadline?

Was reported last week that hey all expire at different times,
Some end of this month and some early August. So if we get past those stages we can decline anything that comes our way unless we can sort a replacement first.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2018, 11:13:12 AM
Was reported last week that hey all expire at different times,
Some end of this month and some early August. So if we get past those stages we can decline anything that comes our way unless we can sort a replacement first.

That makes sense really as it stops us getting caught out late in the window.

I'm guessing Newcastle will activate Rondon's clause once they have sold Mitrovic to Fulham. Not sure whether we should use the money on a similarly styled player like Assombalonga or go for a Vydra type player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 19, 2018, 11:46:46 AM
That makes sense really as it stops us getting caught out late in the window.

I'm guessing Newcastle will activate Rondon's clause once they have sold Mitrovic to Fulham. Not sure whether we should use the money on a similarly styled player like Assombalonga or go for a Vydra type player.

Definitely will be the case regarding Mitrovic and Rondon. Hopefully it would be Assombalonga.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on July 19, 2018, 11:54:23 AM
That makes sense really as it stops us getting caught out late in the window.

I'm guessing Newcastle will activate Rondon's clause once they have sold Mitrovic to Fulham. Not sure whether we should use the money on a similarly styled player like Assombalonga or go for a Vydra type player.


I'd rather a Vydra type player. There is a real lack of movement and variety up front. J Rod can do the sort of job Rondon does we could do with something different as another option.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2018, 12:13:12 PM

I'd rather a Vydra type player. There is a real lack of movement and variety up front. J Rod can do the sort of job Rondon does we could do with something different as another option.

Have to say that would be my preference. Someone with a bit of pace that would be useful for counter attacking but who can also put the ball in the net.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 19, 2018, 12:28:45 PM
Out of the two of them, as a player, I'd prefer Assombalonga... but as a player that actually gets on the pitch I think Vydra is a better bet (less time on the treatment table).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 19, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
Wee Britt Assombolonga

Need to make this happen, its in the stars,

If you believe that bull...t
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 19, 2018, 12:50:26 PM
I'm all for Vydra but not too lead the line.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on July 19, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
It does worry me that we aren’t seemingly after an attacking midfielder. We desperately need someone who can pick the ball up and take it 20 yards up the pitch and will chip in with 10+ goals. Field, Livermore, Brunt & Barry aren’t going to do this & even if we sign Morrison he can’t be counted on to last a full season without getting injured.

If we dont sign anyone I hope Harper is given a real chance with the first team as he seems the only one out of the current crop of youngsters that will power past people from midfield
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on July 19, 2018, 01:22:00 PM
It does worry me that we aren’t seemingly after an attacking midfielder. We desperately need someone who can pick the ball up and take it 20 yards up the pitch and will chip in with 10+ goals. Field, Livermore, Brunt & Barry aren’t going to do this & even if we sign Morrison he can’t be counted on to last a full season without getting injured.

If we dont sign anyone I hope Harper is given a real chance with the first team as he seems the only one out of the current crop of youngsters that will power past people from midfield

Spot on. This has been our biggest problem for at least the last three seasons. Rondon misses a lot, but to be fair, he isn't provided with many chances by our slow, ponderous, uncreative midfield.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 19, 2018, 01:24:39 PM
Was also told that the youngsters will be making the step up to fill the gaps of the players who have already left (Greg, Sturridge, Gmac, Yacob)
I think it'll be an almighty risk to simultaneously rely on 4 or 5 unproven young players to all be able to step up and be good enough to help sustain a promotion push. It has to be unlikely that all of them would prove to be good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on July 19, 2018, 01:26:06 PM
We have Morrison and Chadli.

Well allegedly we do.  :-\
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on July 19, 2018, 02:02:42 PM
DM seems to want to keep the same squad. I personally (not ITK) think we will lose McClean, Rondon and Chaldi. My hope is well sell them soon as we don't want to delay replacements as others have said. I also think we need an extra striker and are crying out for a creative midfielder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on July 19, 2018, 03:03:29 PM
I think although Big Dave wants to keep the same squad, the reality is we probably wont, Because of the release clauses, its not something we can do anything about (if they are met in time)

I think McClean, Rondon, Chadli and probably Dawson will go (still a few weeks til the window closes, i think still some posturing going on regarding him) and we will sign four players to replace them as they each go.

I was told Hegazi wanted out and he has this £10m release clause, however personally i dont see anybody paying anywhere near that, i wouldnt be happy if we were buying him for that price. I think he is ok but he was part of a relegated defence last year in his only year in the premier league and although ok at the world cup, he didnt really pull up any trees to make anybody take notice (Egypt didnt in general to be fair). At that point if nobody pays £10m we can keep him if we want which with the loss of Evans, GMac, probably Dawson i think we will.

I think youngster wise Field and Leko have already tasted first team in the premier league so expect them to be involved and with our lack of centre halves Fitzwater seems to be in the frame so thats 3 spaces filled and maybe a Harper, Edwards or Wilson will take the other.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 21, 2018, 11:55:09 AM
Local media in Newcastle reporting Rondon should become a Newcastle player next week. Sounds like there is an agreement or sorts nearly on place. £16.5 million to reinvest in a couple of players I hope.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Sted1990 on July 21, 2018, 02:18:44 PM
Recently seen him in Siamais in Brindley Place. Wants to stay as he’s settled in the area.
We shall see....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 1954 on July 21, 2018, 03:10:01 PM
If he does really want to stay I would definitely keep him. Jay Rod & Sal are far too good for this League & together would fire the goals to get us promoted.
As regards the likes of Dawson & anybody else who wants away, I say get rid asap & sign young hungry players who want to give their all for the club!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on July 21, 2018, 03:25:26 PM
Local media in Newcastle reporting Rondon should become a Newcastle player next week. Sounds like there is an agreement or sorts nearly on place. £16.5 million to reinvest in a couple of players I hope.

If that is the case hopefully we have a suitable replacement lined up. Would be sad to see him go think he would do very well in the Championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 21, 2018, 03:25:57 PM
If he does really want to stay I would definitely keep him. Jay Rod & Sal are far too good for this League & together would fire the goals to get us promoted.
As regards the likes of Dawson & anybody else who wants away, I say get rid asap & sign young hungry players who want to give their all for the club!

So sell the defenders who can defend and keep the non-goalscoring strikers who can’t score. What a fantastic and logical proposition. If Rondon is off soon at least it frees up cash and space for incoming players. Our attack needs a new breath of life, been non-existent for two years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 21, 2018, 03:28:40 PM
If that is the case hopefully we have a suitable replacement lined up. Would be sad to see him go think he would do very well in the Championship.

If the criteria for scoring goals in the championship is not being able to score them in the premiership then we have a lot to potential targets to choose from. £16m for a 29 year old who averages 8 goals a season is good value for us. Hope we reinvest the money wisely.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 1954 on July 21, 2018, 03:36:53 PM
Why would anyone want to keep dissatisfied defenders who don't want to be at the club? We saw the deterioration in Evans's performances once he was told he had to stay!!
As regards the comment about attackers who can't score it may have escaped your notice but the team will be playing against much lower quality defenders & I would expect both Jay Rod & Sal to each score 15+ goals in the coming season.
My major worry is the inexperience of our manager but that won't stop me being fully behind him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 21, 2018, 04:18:17 PM
Why would anyone want to keep dissatisfied defenders who don't want to be at the club? We saw the deterioration in Evans's performances once he was told he had to stay!!
As regards the comment about attackers who can't score it may have escaped your notice but the team will be playing against much lower quality defenders & I would expect both Jay Rod & Sal to each score 15+ goals in the coming season.
My major worry is the inexperience of our manager but that won't stop me being fully behind him.
Well said sir, if we had the 2 R’s at the start of the season it would be the strike pairing on the chumps (by a distance). As for inexperienced managers, I will judge DM on results not on reputation (or lack of)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 21, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
Why would anyone want to keep dissatisfied defenders who don't want to be at the club?

Dawson is a committed and consistent player. He will get his head down when the window shuts, providing we don’t sell.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 21, 2018, 04:47:45 PM
Rondon out Gayle plus cash in.

It’s a yes from me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 21, 2018, 04:51:46 PM
Gayle is lethal at Championship level. A player plus cash deal would be very appealing as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on July 21, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
Pay the release clause or leave it.
Gayle is injury-prone and he is not a good option to replace Rondon in my opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 1954 on July 21, 2018, 05:24:09 PM
Dawson is a committed and consistent player. He will get his head down when the window shuts, providing we don’t sell.

Hope you are correct but I suspect he would be upset at the difference between his reduced wages & what he would earn in the Prem
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 21, 2018, 05:24:32 PM
Pay the release clause or leave it.
Gayle is injury-prone and he is not a good option to replace Rondon in my opinion.

I think it would be Gayle and someone else with the remainder of the money.  Gayle would score a bagful but would need a target man to supplement our options.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on July 21, 2018, 05:26:25 PM
Pay the release clause or leave it.
Gayle is injury-prone and he is not a good option to replace Rondon in my opinion.

Injury prone? He played 35 times last year in the prem and 33 the season before in the championship...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 21, 2018, 05:51:32 PM
Dawson is a committed and consistent player. He will get his head down when the window shuts, providing we don’t sell.
I know you're Dawson's chief flag-waver, but you can't possibly know how he'll be if he doesn't get a move. As far as him being committed is concerned, he's both refused to go on a pre-season trip and (it's been said) put in a written transfer request. If the former was to do with a family issue, I would have expected him to have come out and said so, but he hasn't.

The only thing he's committed to at present is leaving the club.

As for Rondon, a part-exchange involving Gayle sounds good, assuming Gayle's willing to take a big pay cut to come to us of course and give up on the Greed League.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on July 21, 2018, 06:03:49 PM
I know you're Dawson's chief flag-waver, but you can't possibly know how he'll be if he doesn't get a move. As far as him being committed is concerned, he's both refused to go on a pre-season trip and (it's been said) put in a written transfer request. If the former was to do with a family issue, I would have expected him to have come out and said so, but he hasn't.

The only thing he's committed to at present is leaving the club.

As for Rondon, a part-exchange involving Gayle sounds good, assuming Gayle's willing to take a big pay cut to come to us of course and give up on the Greed League.
wouldn't think he'd be on more than 30 k a week and if club make it known that they don't want you then some times it's better to move on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 21, 2018, 07:04:28 PM
Gayle is reportedly on £40k a week at Newcastle which makes me hugely sceptical about the whole deal. That is our top wage in the Championship and it is doubtful we could afford it after next season unless we were promoted.

It is £16.5m cash and we will make our own arrangements with regard to a replacement the other name that has been mentioned is Aarons and he looks like one to avoid.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on July 22, 2018, 10:43:11 AM
I’m really confused Rondon has a better record in the premier than Gayle so based on that he would score more goals at a lower level but yet some would prefer Gayle ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 22, 2018, 07:38:10 PM
I’m really confused Rondon has a better record in the premier than Gayle so based on that he would score more goals at a lower level but yet some would prefer Gayle ???

You would think it would work like that but Gayle would more than likely fit in better with this current squad of players. Playing him up front with Jay Rod could be deadly at this level. There's absolutely no guarantees Rondon can do it at this level (although I personally think he would grab 15 goals plus
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 22, 2018, 08:11:43 PM
Local Newcastlw press say Gayle is not for sale. He won't be Rondon's replacement.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 22, 2018, 08:29:02 PM
Looks like we wanted Bobby Reid but screwed that up (or were just unlucky with Cardiff coming in for him) and are struggling to identify other strikers. Hopefully Rondon get's moved on this week, even if they won't release Gayle to us. Just thank god the transfer window isn't open until the end of August.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 22, 2018, 09:04:02 PM
Local Newcastlw press say Gayle is not for sale. He won't be Rondon's replacement.

Get Vydra then
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lukeb on July 23, 2018, 02:43:53 AM
Gees neither Gayle or Vydra are worthy of polishing Rondons boots.

Keep him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 23, 2018, 06:55:32 AM
Gees neither Gayle or Vydra are worthy of polishing Rondons boots.

Keep him.

What boots would those be then?
Surely not his goal scoring boots?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 23, 2018, 07:24:22 AM
What boots would those be then?
Surely not his goal scoring boots?
When Gayle or Vydra hit double figures in prem you may have an argument
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 23, 2018, 10:48:00 AM
When Gayle or Vydra hit double figures in prem you may have an argument

When Rondon hits double figures in the Prem you might have a point too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on July 23, 2018, 10:51:59 AM
When Rondon hits double figures in the Prem you might have a point too.

Good point well made  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 23, 2018, 10:59:17 AM
When Rondon hits double figures in the Prem you might have a point too.

he has scored, 9 8, 7 in last 3 seasons, so my logic is for Vydra / Gayle to be better they would need to be hitting 10 or more.

I accept my logic (maths) is flawed and it should be 9 or more.  :o   Apologies  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 23, 2018, 11:30:49 AM
he has scored, 9 8, 7 in last 3 seasons, so my logic is for Vydra / Gayle to be better they would need to be hitting 10 or more.

I accept my logic (maths) is flawed and it should be 9 or more.  :o   Apologies  ;D

I see your point, it just seemed a bit rich that you were asking other players to do what Rondon hasn't done. Would Vydra and Gayle have to score more to be better than Rondon though? What if they scored the same but had more assists, surely that would also make them "better"?  I see it a lot that we shouldn't just count goals scored as a means of judging our forwards but general all round play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scruffy Stan on July 23, 2018, 11:43:20 AM
Hull, I think you're right where a forward doesn't score loads, then he can still be valuable because of other aspects of his game. But to be honest, if we had someone who'd bang in 20 a season from the assists we provide then I wouldn't care what other aspects of his game there were or weren't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on July 23, 2018, 12:04:08 PM
Hull, I think you're right where a forward doesn't score loads, then he can still be valuable because of other aspects of his game. But to be honest, if we had someone who'd bang in 20 a season from the assists we provide then I wouldn't care what other aspects of his game there were or weren't.

If anyone scored 20 a season he wouldn't be an Albion player for long sadly.......

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 23, 2018, 12:08:33 PM
I see your point, it just seemed a bit rich that you were asking other players to do what Rondon hasn't done. Would Vydra and Gayle have to score more to be better than Rondon though? What if they scored the same but had more assists, surely that would also make them "better"?  I see it a lot that we shouldn't just count goals scored as a means of judging our forwards but general all round play.

yes you are right, overall contribution should be as important 9at least0 as actual goals scored, however in SR's defence he has played under the singly most negative and the the most clueless manger for the last 3 years, so needs to be cut some slack.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 23, 2018, 12:12:36 PM
yes you are right, overall contribution should be as important 9at least0 as actual goals scored, however in SR's defence he has played under the singly most negative and the the most clueless manger for the last 3 years, so needs to be cut some slack.

I agree, I also think you could have put clueless managers. I still think he should score more from the chances he has though, not silly amounts (7-10) more just maybe 4 more goals per season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charlebaggie on July 23, 2018, 02:30:52 PM
Has Rondon or anyone said that he wants to go ?.He's not thrown his dummy out the pram like some of the sinking Rats .Ive got a feeling he might just stay .He seem to have an infinity with the supporters not like some.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on July 23, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
Has Rondon or anyone said that he wants to go ?.He's not thrown his dummy out the pram like some of the sinking Rats .Ive got a feeling he might just stay .He seem to have an infinity with the supporters not like some.


It wouldn't surprise me. Same with Dawson. I can see them both staying.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 23, 2018, 03:31:11 PM
Has Rondon or anyone said that he wants to go ?.He's not thrown his dummy out the pram like some of the sinking Rats .Ive got a feeling he might just stay .He seem to have an infinity with the supporters not like some.
Rondon doesn’t need to kick up a fuss. If is agent is worth anything at all he’ll know exactly what his options are given that he had a pretty reasonable release clause. He’s showing a bit more class than Dawson but Dawson may well feel like he’s being priced out of a move so needs to rock the boat a little bit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bakeyaface on July 23, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
Rondon doesn’t need to kick up a fuss. If is agent is worth anything at all he’ll know exactly what his options are given that he had a pretty reasonable release clause. He’s showing a bit more class than Dawson but Dawson may well feel like he’s being priced out of a move so needs to rock the boat a little bit.

I think there are two factors. The first being he's just a nice guy who let's others do the haggling/negotiating and concentrates on the pitch and being professional.

The second being he probably knows that he will get a move so doesn't need to kick up a fuss. He's in a position Dawson isn't because he has a clause that can be triggered and doesn't have to force a move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 24, 2018, 06:14:54 AM
I personally hope he stays. In a summer where we have seen some players true colours it's nice that some such as Rondon have got on with their jobs and remained professional. It doesn't sound as though Newcastle are willing to match the release clause as at the age of 29 they are concerned about resale value and with his wages It would take the deal to over 20 million for them. I can see this one dragging on late into the window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 24, 2018, 07:59:21 AM
Rondon does have the luxury of knowing exactly where he stands so has need to rock the boat and equally knows that if no one triggers the release clause he is going to be staying put and his contract expires at the end of next season.

Newcastle seem really reluctant to stump up the release clause I think it will be resolved one way or the other this week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charlebaggie on July 24, 2018, 09:41:57 AM
Rondon does have the luxury of knowing exactly where he stands so has need to rock the boat and equally knows that if no one triggers the release clause he is going to be staying put and his contract expires at the end of next season.

Newcastle seem really reluctant to stump up the release clause I think it will be resolved one way or the other this week.
.    Who do Newcastle think they are ? Think they're a big club never won anything for decades,want players on the cheap because they haven't got a pot to pi** in. They want players on loan ( Now want Wellbeck on loan)yet when we ask for Gayle they throw an iffy fit . Baggies tell them to do one!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Halesowen12 on July 24, 2018, 09:55:53 AM
Apologies if this has been asked before but does anyone know if / when Rondon's release clause expires?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:47 AM
Newcastle will definitely know the date!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tucka9 on July 24, 2018, 10:17:01 AM
I was told that dates of 31st July and 4th August were the dates for Rondon and Chadli’s clause expiry dates were.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Halesowen12 on July 24, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
I was told that dates of 31st July and 4th August were the dates for Rondon and Chadli’s clause expiry dates were.

Cheers. I guess we're a little stumped until those dates pass

Not sure how it's going to play out, especially with the new transfer window format / other windows closing at month end - but at least it would be in our own hands after the clauses expire
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 11:03:14 AM
Cheers. I guess we're a little stumped until those dates pass

Not sure how it's going to play out, especially with the new transfer window format / other windows closing at month end - but at least it would be in our own hands after the clauses expire

If someone pays the cash then we've got plenty of time to replace them. If the clauses are allowed to run out then the only way either of them are leaving last minute is if we get offered mega bucks. The plan is obviously to try and keep hold of these players for as long as possible, there's every chance the replacements we would want aren't available yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 24, 2018, 11:16:27 AM
. The plan is obviously to try and keep hold of these players for as long as possible, there's every chance the replacements we would want aren't available yet.

My worry is that there is every chance the replacements we would want, will already have gone...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 11:42:30 AM
My worry is that there is every chance the replacements we would want, will already have gone...

If they leave late and we're well compensated then perhaps our targets will change?

Clubs all over Europe are involved in this merry-go-round, sadly it's not just a case of us cherry picking and then waiting to sell.

Stoke get round this by being bankrolled by a very, very rich family.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_jd26 on July 24, 2018, 12:07:10 PM
What I dont understand is why Vydra's name keeps getting mentioned so favourably. Do people not remember how poor he was when he played for us before?!

I accept he had a very good season last year but he's had the odd good season in the past, followed by being disappointing and he hasn't cut it in the prem. I just don't think he is any better than what we have - I would much rather keep Rondon, think he offers much more to our side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 12:09:34 PM
What I dont understand is why Vydra's name keeps getting mentioned so favourably. Do people not remember how poor he was when he played for us before?!

I accept he had a very good season last year but he's had the odd good season in the past, followed by being disappointing and he hasn't cut it in the prem. I just don't think he is any better than what we have - I would much rather keep Rondon, think he offers much more to our side.

A) We aren't in the Premier League.
B) He last played for us four years ago.
C) He's got a record of about one in two in the Championship.
D) He's available for "relatively" cheap.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Halesowen12 on July 24, 2018, 12:12:03 PM
If they leave late and we're well compensated then perhaps our targets will change?

Clubs all over Europe are involved in this merry-go-round, sadly it's not just a case of us cherry picking and then waiting to sell.

Stoke get round this by being bankrolled by a very, very rich family.

The only danger there is our window closes on Aug 9th whilst the majority of Europe's windows don't close until Aug 31st I believe!

I appreciate we can loan players until Aug 31st, even with a view to purchase in the following window but it still may rule out some replacements. Without being too negative - it wouldn't shock me to see us pocketing the cash for a couple of players like Rondon / Chadli & only being able to loan to replace
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 24, 2018, 12:46:41 PM
A) We aren't in the Premier League.
B) He last played for us four years ago.
C) He's got a record of about one in two in the Championship.
D) He's available for "relatively" cheap.
He scored 1 in 2 last season and last season alone.  The season before he managed just 5 goals, the season before that a whopping 3 goals.  £11 million for someone with such a patchy record is not cheap even in relative terms.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on July 24, 2018, 01:28:24 PM
Rondon does have the luxury of knowing exactly where he stands so has need to rock the boat and equally knows that if no one triggers the release clause he is going to be staying put and his contract expires at the end of next season.

Newcastle seem really reluctant to stump up the release clause I think it will be resolved one way or the other this week.

His contract effectively has two years to run - we have a one-year extension option
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on July 25, 2018, 03:49:41 PM
LOAN-SWAP?

Progress has been made on a loan swap deal involving West Brom's Salomon Rondon and Dwight Gayle.

#WBA are extending Rondon's contract by a year to protect their asset and a permanent option for #NUFC will be discussed.

https://t.co/vjysddSlfW https://t.co/mFVV4C3A2p
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 25, 2018, 04:13:02 PM
“Rondon to sign via surprise ‘swap deal’ with West Brom?”

Newcastle Blog


Source: http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/25/benitez-makes-move-for-two-strikers-rondon-to-sign-via-surprise-swap-deal-with-west-brom/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 25, 2018, 04:28:25 PM
If the rumoured Rondon - Gayle deal happens, I think that's the absolute ideal scenario for the club thinking realistically. As I said back in May, this is a similar deal to how we got Foster (with reversed roles), if we can cut this deal we have a shot at keeping him, if not, we get to say we tried and cash in.

Which is all well and good apart from we would be bringing in an inferior striker to attempt to earn promotion, how does that work?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 25, 2018, 04:54:43 PM
You mean one that actually scores goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charlebaggie on July 25, 2018, 05:12:03 PM
Which is all well and good apart from we would be bringing in an inferior striker to attempt to earn promotion, how does that work?
.    Have you got sun stroke? He's proven in the championship check out his record at Palace and Newcastle  8)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on July 25, 2018, 05:27:06 PM
Which is all well and good apart from we would be bringing in an inferior striker to attempt to earn promotion, how does that work?

That depends on Newcastle's plan B.  If Plan A is to loan Rondon and let Gayle go the other way, with or without a view to a permanent at the end of the year and Plan B is to begrudgingly  trigger his release clause if we hard ball them enough, then inferior striker or not, at least it leaves with one who is proven at this level.  Still not convinced it will happen though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on July 25, 2018, 05:50:56 PM
Very rare that deals like this happen and very unlikely to be a loan both ways IMO
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 25, 2018, 05:54:53 PM
You mean one that actually scores goals.

What's Galye's PL scoring record like?  (I don't think he's in double figures for his time at Palace and Newcastle combined.)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 25, 2018, 06:05:14 PM
Newcastle have already said they aren't willing to sell Gayle and the player is happy to stay so I can't see any chance of us getting him, as great as that would be.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 25, 2018, 06:21:08 PM
If that's the case then and if we really do want Gayle, the don't get Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on July 25, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
If that's the case then and if we really do want Gayle, the don't get Rondon.

If they pay his release clause then we can't say no.........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 25, 2018, 09:04:43 PM
What's Galye's PL scoring record like?  (I don't think he's in double figures for his time at Palace and Newcastle combined.)

That's irrelevant really since if he comes to us he won't be playing in the PL will he?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 25, 2018, 09:09:02 PM
Anyone who thinks Gayle is a better striker than Rondon should probably get another hobby...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 25, 2018, 10:59:41 PM
Anyone who thinks Gayle is a better striker than Rondon should probably get another hobby...

Rondon is good at falling over, turning the ball over to the opposition and not scoring goals and yet you worship the ground he walks on which is laughable.

The problem with sending him on loan to Newcastle is after another season of failure in the premiership literally no one will be interested in signing him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 25, 2018, 11:02:50 PM
What's Galye's PL scoring record like?  (I don't think he's in double figures for his time at Palace and Newcastle combined.)

 I think his record last season was better than Rondon’s (admittedly not very hard) once you looked at the average goals per minutes on the pitch to take into that he wasn’t playing every week like Solomon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 25, 2018, 11:42:05 PM
That's irrelevant really since if he comes to us he won't be playing in the PL will he?

No it’s relevant. The person I was responding to was implying that getting rid of Rondon and replacing him with Gayle was good because Gayle knew where the goal was. Whereas Rondon actually scores more goals in PL seasons than Gayle has. We don’t know how many he’d get in the champs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 26, 2018, 05:00:57 AM
This gets more convoluted with every turn.

If reports are to believed we are going to extend Rondon's contract purely to facilitate a loan move to Newcastle in return we get the services of Dwight Gayle for a season. At the end of the loan Newcastle have an option to buy. The stumbling block for Newcastle is they don't want to pay a fee and make a long term commitment to the player because of his age. Well guess what at the end of next season Rondon is a year older and we are back in the exact same position although both teams circumstances might have changed somewhat and he might not be wanted by either club.

This has everything to do with the internal politics of Newcastle United and who are turning themselves inside out to get a player that the manager wants to placate him and the fans without making another bad deal which they suspect Rondon at 29 is.

Ultimately the answer is the fee is £16.5m if you want to sign him permanently next year you can do so for free.

Next case
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on July 26, 2018, 05:44:52 AM
This gets more convoluted with every turn.

If reports are to believed we are going to extend Rondon's contract purely to facilitate a loan move to Newcastle in return we get the services of Dwight Gayle for a season. At the end of the loan Newcastle have an option to buy. The stumbling block for Newcastle is they don't want to pay a fee and make a long term commitment to the player because of his age. Well guess what at the end of next season Rondon is a year older and we are back in the exact same position although both teams circumstances might have changed somewhat and he might not be wanted by either club.

This has everything to do with the internal politics of Newcastle United and who are turning themselves inside out to get a player that the manager wants to placate him and the fans without making another bad deal which they suspect Rondon at 29 is.

Ultimately the answer is the fee is £16.5m if you want to sign him permanently next year you can do so for free.

Next case

You do realise that we have a one-year contract extension option in our favour?  He will not be walking away in a free next year. He won’t be able to do that until summer 2020.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 26, 2018, 06:32:12 AM
It's quite simple really, pay the £16.5m or no deal.
My point of view is that we bought Rondon as a striker, for all his runnig for all his hold up play he doesn't score enough goals. He has plenty of chances but look at the times he missed scoring last season when it looked impossible to score.
And for all of you saying at the end of last season that there would be plenty of suitors for his services, they're not  snapping our hands off to sign him are they?
Whether you think Vydra and Gayle are better players or not the fact is that at this level they do what it says on the tin. They score goals.
I have my doubts about Salomon scoring goals at this level.
The goals after all are the same size.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on July 26, 2018, 07:27:13 AM
Newcastle are interested in signing the Japanese striker Yoshinori Muto from Mainz apparently - 20 goals in 66 games and played in the World Cup.

So perhaps they have given up on Rondon then.......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on July 26, 2018, 07:42:41 AM
Newcastle are interested in signing the Japanese striker Yoshinori Muto from Mainz apparently - 20 goals in 66 games and played in the World Cup.

So perhaps they have given up on Rondon then.......
I’m sure the Mail were saying Rafa wants both
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 26, 2018, 09:10:47 AM
I'd be a lot more optimistic if can keep hold of Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on July 26, 2018, 09:20:06 AM
Newcastle are interested in signing the Japanese striker Yoshinori Muto from Mainz apparently - 20 goals in 66 games and played in the World Cup.

So perhaps they have given up on Rondon then.......

I really hope so.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Halesowen12 on July 26, 2018, 10:02:11 AM
Sky Sports are reporting Newcastle are signing Muto after agreeing a fee

Wonder if this affects Newcastle's proposed move for Rondon?

From what I saw at the world cup he was a different type of player so may not but who knows. Does this free up Gayle?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on July 26, 2018, 10:06:09 AM
Sky Sports are reporting Newcastle are signing Muto after agreeing a fee

Wonder if this affects Newcastle's proposed move for Rondon?

From what I saw at the world cup he was a different type of player so may not but who knows. Does this free up Gayle?!

I don’t think it will affect the interest from Newcastle, just think it will be put on hold till they can shift Mitrovic, Rondon would be his replacement I’m guessing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2018, 10:27:57 AM
With how hard Benitez is finding it to get money out of Ashley, I thunk this certainly incteases our chsnces of keeping Rondon which is great news.

Now we just have to hope this doesn't greenlight a Burnley deal for Rodriguez 😂
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on July 26, 2018, 11:18:14 AM
I am not sure Newcastle would be the right move for Rondon.

From what i was told Rondon is fully aware his reputation has taken a battering over the last few years, in that he came to england as quite a feared european striker and now there doesnt seem to be a queue forming to keep him here (which i was quite surprised about)

Also apparently he is also very settled in the area, likes Big Dave, the club, etc and wants to prove himself in the premier league (plus get more money) but wouldnt be that disappointed if he ended up staying, i dont think he will move for the sake of moving.

Benitez is an excellent coach but also tends to favour the more cautious approach, i dont think any striker going there is going to get that many goals in the premier league. Yes Rondon has missed a lot of chances but also he has been playing for three seasons in a very negative team, eventually that sort of approach takes its toll on strikers.

If i was his agent, i would be contacting - West Ham, Fulham, Everton, possibly even Wolves and trying to get him a move there, all those teams it would seem will be quite attacking next season and may be just the type of football he needs.

On a personal note i would be more than happy to see Rondon stay, i think this season we will be quite attacking, the onus is on us to break teams down, Rondon did okay in that he had a 1 in 4 ratio for the last few years in one of the most negative teams ever in premier league history, i think at Stoke under Pulis there top goalscorer in the premier league was usually between 7 and 10 so Rondon was about the same.

I think his all round game is good, and maybe a season where he should score a lot of goals will get him back on track.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 26, 2018, 11:27:11 AM
I want him to stay.
The Geordie crowd are an unforgiving bunch and if he doesn't deliver goals,he will be sidelined.
Not the right move, stay with us.
Their fans for whatever reason are fixated with their so called  iconic number 9 shirt,they've not had a goalscoring 9 for years,delusional comes to mind,they're always complaining about something,big club blah blah blah,bad move if Rondon goes there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 26, 2018, 11:36:28 AM
I like Rondon and hope we can hold on to him.

His average strike rate before joining us was 2.83 games per goal

His strike rate at Internalional level is 3.47 games per goal

His strike rate for us is 4.5 games per goal

IMO, we have, based on performance before he joined us, a decent striker if he is played correctly and supported more upfront
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 26, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
I like Rondon and hope we can hold on to him.

His average strike rate before joining us was 2.83 goals per game

His strike rate at Internalional level is 3.47 goals per game

His strike rate for us is 4.5 goals per game.

IMO, we have, based on performance before he joined us, a decent striker if he is played correctly and supported more upfront
I like him and don’t think we’ve seen the best of him largely due to our style of play. That said you’re stats are all the wrong way round. If they were right he’d be playing up front for Real Madrid. Or Roy of the rovers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 26, 2018, 11:44:33 AM
I like him and don’t think we’ve seen the best of him largely due to our style of play. That said you’re stats are all the wrong way round. If they were right he’d be playing up front for Real Madrid. Or Roy of the rovers.

Thank you for spotting and letting me know about my error, hopefully, I’ve rectified it.

But you are right, on those states we’d want 10 x £16.5m for him  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 26, 2018, 12:36:41 PM
I would say to newcastle, £16,5m or straight swap for Mitrovic (deffo not Gayle).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 26, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
I would say to newcastle, £16,5m or straight swap for Mitrovic (deffo not Gayle).

Now that I would go for, good shout!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on July 26, 2018, 01:15:18 PM
I would say to newcastle, £16,5m or straight swap for Mitrovic (deffo not Gayle).

Why not Gayle? Prolific in the Championship ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 26, 2018, 02:02:19 PM
I would say to newcastle, £16,5m or straight swap for Mitrovic (deffo not Gayle).

Mitrovic won't consider a move to the Championship apparently. He wants to play in the Prem. I agree though he would be a cracking signing and a better direct replacement for Rondon than Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Why not Gayle? Prolific in the Championship ...


He's only ever had 2 seasons in the Championship. Hitting 13 in one and 23 in the other.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 26, 2018, 02:12:33 PM
Why not Gayle? Prolific in the Championship ...
As Jacko has pointed out not prolific but very adequate in chumps, never cut it in the prem, whilst Rondon has scored in an ultra defensive side. (Yes I know he has missed quite a few, but when the opportunities are so rare it has to have an impact).

I consider Gayle to be an inferior player and we shouldn't set out to bring in inferior players IMO. We may be pushed into signing inferior players but it should be as a last resort not something we set out to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 26, 2018, 02:19:09 PM
As Jacko has pointed out not prolific but very adequate in chumps, never cut it in the prem, whilst Rondon has scored in an ultra defensive side. (Yes I know he has missed quite a few, but when the opportunities are so rare it has to have an impact).

I consider Gayle to be an inferior player and we shouldn't set out to bring in inferior players IMO. We may be pushed into signing inferior players but it should be as a last resort not something we set out to do.

I don't think we'll ever be setting out to replace him with an inferior player but bar a scouting masterstroke, we are going to struggle to replace him with anybody of equal or better quality because of the division we are in. I think it is more important to bring in players that give the squad balance and a variety of attributes, rather than replace on a strict like for like basis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on July 26, 2018, 02:28:40 PM
I don't think he's worth 16.5mil. I like him, he has heart but he lacks that killer instinct top strikers need.
I do think he could do ok at this level but i'm only expecting 10-12 goals this season.
My fear is if we let him go who can we get that's worth the price.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on July 26, 2018, 02:41:48 PM
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-muto-rondon-transfers-14954792

They're still after Rondon and it suggests that we'd look to take Gayle on a permanent deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bakeyaface on July 26, 2018, 03:47:49 PM
Putting all those things aside and I don't want to be negative..... but it doesn't matter what division he is in because he misses chances left right and centre. He has many good attributes and could be an asset for sure in the right system

But you could counter argue that he may score more goals in the Championship with the fact he will also miss more.

Like I said I'm not trying to belittle him personally I love the guy, but he just doesn't ever strike me with confidence in front of goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2018, 03:56:53 PM
Putting all those things aside and I don't want to be negative..... but it doesn't matter what division he is in because he misses chances left right and centre. He has many good attributes and could be an asset for sure in the right system

But you could counter argue that he may score more goals in the Championship with the fact he will also miss more.

Like I said I'm not trying to belittle him personally I love the guy, but he just doesn't ever strike me with confidence in front of goal.


See his stats for "other leagues" posted previously. His strike rate before coming here is excellent. In much better divisions than the Championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bakeyaface on July 26, 2018, 04:17:04 PM

See his stats for "other leagues" posted previously. His strike rate before coming here is excellent. In much better divisions than the Championship.

Not sure about that, I get your point though. But his stint in Spain which has some terrible teams (at lower end) aside he played in Russia and Venezuala which are awful leagues.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on July 26, 2018, 05:26:53 PM
I would say to newcastle, £16,5m or straight swap for Mitrovic (deffo not Gayle).
Agreed. Rondon and Mitrovic are similar type striker, both can hold up ball on the front and let the midfielders go forward.
Gayle looks like a poacher and need good support from midfield.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on July 26, 2018, 05:38:09 PM
I have my doubts about Salomon scoring goals at this level.
The goals after all are the same size.


As this little cliche keeps rearing it's head in every discussion on Rondon, I thought I'd let you know it is probably the dumbest argument I've seen on this forum. The goals are the same size in the Midlands Combination League, does that mean he'd struggle to score at that level as well? The goals are also the same size in La Liga and the Russian Premier, where he has a good goalscoring record.

Also, 8 goals a season for 3 seasons in the Premier League is hardly a bad return for a forward who has been deployed in a targetman role for a defensive team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on July 26, 2018, 05:52:06 PM
I much prefer Rondon to Gayle, the idea of a loan swap seems ridiculous to me. Someone at the Albion should’ve gone to Specsavers, then they might have seen that Jack Marriott was available for very reasonable money. Too late now!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 26, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
You do realise that we have a one-year contract extension option in our favour?  He will not be walking away in a free next year. He won’t be able to do that until summer 2020.

I keep seeing people saying this but can find no evidence of it on the OS site or anywhere else can you link to something that confirms it?

If Newcastle signing Muto changes anything it probably frees up Gayle for a move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 26, 2018, 08:24:12 PM
See his stats for "other leagues" posted previously. His strike rate before coming here is excellent. In much better divisions than the Championship.

Aragua, 15 in 49, 0.31 goals per game - mediocre return
Las Palmas, 10 in 46, 0.22 goals per game - very poor
Malaga, 25 in 67, 0.37 goals per game - mediocre return
Rubin Kazan, 13 in 36, 0.36 goals per game - mediocre return
Zenit, 20 in 37, 0.54 goals per game - very good
Albion, 24 in 108, 0.22 goals per game - very poor

It's plainly wrong to label his goal return as excellent., he has been mediocre to poor throughout the majority of his career.

His record for Albion is is identical to his record for Las Palmas ten years ago. His goalscoring record has been poor throughout his career save for one good season playing for the best team in Russia in an awful league in 2015. To put that in context the only season he has had a good goal scoring record he played in a team that won the league with +41 goal difference.

It's telling that no-one at present wants to pay £16m for him, which is not a significant amount even the small premier league clubs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 26, 2018, 09:56:47 PM

As this little cliche keeps rearing it's head in every discussion on Rondon, I thought I'd let you know it is probably the dumbest argument I've seen on this forum. The goals are the same size in the Midlands Combination League, does that mean he'd struggle to score at that level as well? The goals are also the same size in La Liga and the Russian Premier, where he has a good goalscoring record.

Also, 8 goals a season for 3 seasons in the Premier League is hardly a bad return for a forward who has been deployed in a targetman role for a defensive team.

Thank you for pointing that out oh wise one you are of course entitled to your opinion as I am.
Just for info the goals are the same size in all senior football games
He's had one good season throughout his career.
The fact that only one team has publicly stepped in to activate his release clause is telling in itself.
His plaudits on here were all saying there would be a host of teams coming in for him at the end of the season.
Yes he runs a lot, yes he hold the ball up sometimes,  his first touch is poor his second touch is a throw in.
When he went through one on one with the keeper you could virtually bet on the goal keeper every time.
I don't rate the guy as a striker. Again that's my opinion dumb or not.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on July 26, 2018, 09:59:53 PM
I like Rondon and hope we can hold on to him.

His average strike rate before joining us was 2.83 games per goal

His strike rate at Internalional level is 3.47 games per goal

His strike rate for us is 4.5 goals per game

IMO, we have, based on performance before he joined us, a decent striker if he is played correctly and supported more upfront

Bloody wish it was!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 26, 2018, 10:08:34 PM
Bloody wish it was!

I know and agree, thank you for the further embarrassment though :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on July 26, 2018, 10:09:55 PM
He's a decent player who to his credit worked very hard last year BUT he had enough decent half  chances (or better) to have scored 3 or 4 more than he did. If he had 11 or 12 premier league goals to his name he probably would have signed for someone else by now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on July 27, 2018, 01:27:54 PM
Just been posted on Twitter (a screenshot of Rondon's Instagram) where he is replying to a friends request for a game of Fifa? Rondon responds by saying "claim down, i'm moving baby!" - I think it's evident he is off and something has been agreed?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 27, 2018, 02:22:17 PM
Just been posted on Twitter (a screenshot of Rondon's Instagram) where he is replying to a friends request for a game of Fifa? Rondon responds by saying "claim down, i'm moving baby!" - I think it's evident he is off and something has been agreed?

Yeah, it's been reported elsewhere too

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/27/has-salomon-rondon-just-dropped-a-big-hint-that-hes-now-on-his-way-to-nufc-from-west-brom/

It looks like he's on the move. As so, I would suggest we've someone lined up, as I can't see us selling him without an incoming one done.

Did that Peterboro guy finalise his move to Derby yet?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on July 27, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Yeah, it's been reported elsewhere too

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/27/has-salomon-rondon-just-dropped-a-big-hint-that-hes-now-on-his-way-to-nufc-from-west-brom/

It looks like he's on the move. As so, I would suggest we've someone lined up, as I can't see us selling him without an incoming one done.

Did that Peterboro guy finalise his move to Derby yet?

Yesterday apparently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44952971
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on July 27, 2018, 02:45:46 PM
Yeah, it's been reported elsewhere too

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/27/has-salomon-rondon-just-dropped-a-big-hint-that-hes-now-on-his-way-to-nufc-from-west-brom/

It looks like he's on the move. As so, I would suggest we've someone lined up, as I can't see us selling him without an incoming one done.

Did that Peterboro guy finalise his move to Derby yet?

Am sure it will be Gayle coming the other way, but it’s interesting that Vydra to Leeds seems to be delayed for no obvious reason according to Alan Nixon.  Maybe he’s holding out for a move to the Hawthorns?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on July 27, 2018, 03:33:45 PM
Just to play devils advocate, I have tried to translate some of the instagram message and it reads something like this:

marico I'm worldly baby
Handles anxiety
you already have an appointment in the
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on July 27, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
Just to play devils advocate, I have tried to translate some of the instagram message and it reads something like this:

marico I'm worldly baby
Handles anxiety
you already have an appointment in the

That makes perfect sense to me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on July 27, 2018, 03:40:36 PM
And the rely from his friend is something along of the lines of:

ready call the cemetery and reserve two parcales one pa ti and another pa your ego because the two I'm going to paste
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on July 27, 2018, 03:46:17 PM
To me it looks like a conversation between two friends who enjoy playing FIFA on the PS4. His mate wants to play again, but Rondon is in the process of moving houses so his is all packed away.......

Doesn't say he is moving to Newcastle though.....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on July 27, 2018, 04:19:02 PM
Google translated it for me as "(persons name) I'm moving baby!" - could just be moving house but I doubt it to be honest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on July 27, 2018, 04:22:37 PM
Just seem him loading his gym stuff into a house on Hagley road.... :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on July 27, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
Just seem him loading his gym stuff into a house on Hagley road.... :-X
What he's doing his own moving? Would of thought he could hire someone to do that for him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on July 27, 2018, 04:33:18 PM
Just seem him loading his gym stuff into a house on Hagley road.... :-X
Into a house on Hagley Road?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie_liam on July 27, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
‘Apparently’ he’s just moving stuff between his house in the uk and his house in Spain 🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on July 27, 2018, 04:44:37 PM
‘Apparently’ he’s just moving stuff between his house in the uk and his house in Spain 🤷🏼‍♂️
They still love him in Malaga , i'll keep an eye for him  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crocodile007 on July 27, 2018, 04:49:18 PM
‘Apparently’ he’s just moving stuff between his house in the uk and his house in Spain 🤷🏼‍♂️
Where did you hear this mate?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 27, 2018, 04:49:53 PM
Slow news day i see  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 27, 2018, 05:05:41 PM
I saw him pop into the Bloxwich Wok a minute ago for a takeaway. He's clearly moving to China.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie_liam on July 27, 2018, 05:27:32 PM
Where did you hear this mate?

Seen a few Instagram/Twitter things saying ‘he’s’ confirmed it... like I said before ‘apparently’
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on July 27, 2018, 05:32:08 PM
assuming that's not fake, I can translate it in Venezuelan for y'all

the dude asks when they're going to play (assuming he talks about FIFA) and Salo responds with "dude I'm moving baby", "control your anxiety" and "lol you have an appointment in the cemetery" (as in, he's going to kill him - again, assuming he's talking about FIFA).

Dude responds by saying he did call the cemetery and and reserved two spots, one for Salo and one for Salo's ego because he's going to beat them both.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on July 27, 2018, 06:35:07 PM
All this speculation over Twitter. He could just be moving from one end of his mansion to the other to play a game of FIFA.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on July 28, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Newcastle just signed Muto for 9.5m so I think this deal is dead now. Hopefully Salomon is staying now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 28, 2018, 04:57:31 PM
Hasn't made it off the bench in the last 2 friendlies.  Suggests we're expecting him to leave.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 28, 2018, 05:07:28 PM
Hasn't made it off the bench in the last 2 friendlies.  Suggests we're expecting him to leave.

Very telling Indeed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 28, 2018, 05:36:41 PM
Hasn't made it off the bench in the last 2 friendlies.  Suggests we're expecting him to leave.


Played 25 mins Tuesday night.


That said rumour sites suggesting Gayle has agreed terms with us paving way for the potential swap.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on July 28, 2018, 05:48:04 PM
Apparently Rondon for Gayle and Aaron’s, what a deal that would be
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 28, 2018, 05:49:41 PM
Not sure why we had him on the bench but then didn't use him. Can only imagine it was in part to try to quell rumours, while not risking him getting injured.

If he does stay, it looks like he will start off as Moore's 3rd choice cwntre forward. It's going to be an interesting final 13 days.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on July 28, 2018, 05:49:45 PM
Apparently Rondon for Gayle and Aaron’s, what a deal that would be

That a loan or permanent?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on July 28, 2018, 06:42:45 PM
Apparently Rondon for Gayle and Aaron’s, what a deal that would be

Another winger 😮, if true I can see Barnes potentially being much more of a no.10
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 28, 2018, 06:46:03 PM
Another winger 😮, if true I can see Barnes potentially being much more of a no.10
I’d be happy with that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 28, 2018, 07:04:51 PM
Fulham have agreed a price for Mitrovic. Does this give Newcastle the funding to buy Rondon?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 28, 2018, 07:09:13 PM
I’d be happy with that.

I certainly would be to
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 28, 2018, 10:54:50 PM
Benitez's comments post gane today have only fanned the flames. He has basically said "We are looking to buy one more striker" and when pushed, said "Gayle might not be staying".

I think Rondon will be in black and white stripes in the next week, while Gayle is in blue and white.

I would hope however that, if we do a deal like that, we get money plus Gayle rather than taking a 22 year Roland Aarons whi has been poor at both Newcastle and Verona.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on July 28, 2018, 11:05:16 PM
Aarons has potential, I’d take him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 28, 2018, 11:24:48 PM
But Gayle scores goals mate that's what we want.
Potential is either good bad or indifferent.
We want goals now.
Anyway,how old is Gayle?
He's not that old is he?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on July 28, 2018, 11:38:28 PM
But Gayle scores goals mate that's what we want.
Potential is either good bad or indifferent.
We want goals now.
Anyway,how old is Gayle?
He's not that old is he?

It’ll be Aarons and Gayle for rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 28, 2018, 11:44:09 PM
It’ll be Aarons and Gayle for rondon


Still not convinced by any of this. Swaps almost never happen.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 29, 2018, 12:11:09 AM

Still not convinced by any of this. Swaps almost never happen.

Agree with you. While I could realistically see a deal where we buy Gayle for around £8 and Newcastle get R9ndon for less than his release clause (that must be part of the deal), I can't see an entire player swap. It just doesn't happen.

Besides, why would we want another winger? Especially one who has struggled so much as Aarons.

Better to have the cash to reinvest in a better player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 29, 2018, 06:49:12 AM
Agree with you. While I could realistically see a deal where we buy Gayle for around £8 and Newcastle get R9ndon for less than his release clause (that must be part of the deal), I can't see an entire player swap. It just doesn't happen.

Besides, why would we want another winger? Especially one who has struggled so much as Aarons.

Better to have the cash to reinvest in a better player.

Now that would be a bargain  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 29, 2018, 08:15:29 AM
Throwing in Aarons into the deal barely increases the value of the deal they will be loaning him out somewhere and will probably even be prepared to pay half his wages to help him on his way. So ascribing him a value of anything other than a very nominal fee would be just taking the mick.

 I think either they stop messing about and pay the release clause this week or we keep Rondon. Works for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mig on July 29, 2018, 08:18:36 AM
If we really are transitioning to a more attacking style, Rondon's strength and hold up play will be invaluable. Not sure Gayle is the right kind of player to replace that, so if this deal is true then I'd hope we'd be going back into the market for another forward as well.

If it was me I'd be holding out for the full release clause to be met.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 29, 2018, 08:48:24 AM
If we really are transitioning to a more attacking style, Rondon's strength and hold up play will be invaluable. Not sure Gayle is the right kind of player to replace that, so if this deal is true then I'd hope we'd be going back into the market for another forward as well.

If it was me I'd be holding out for the full release clause to be met.

Agree with what you said about his hold up play. Our midfield at this level has goals everywhere. Although what I have seen of hrk hold up and leading the line (albeit against lesser opposition) has been quiet good.

Moore has Rondon as his third choice, that or he is that resigned to losing him he's not working his tactics round him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on July 29, 2018, 08:52:43 AM
I thought Robson-Kanu did well yesterday and we didn't seem to miss Rondon at all. I think we have enough at this level to allow Rondon to leave without us having to panic about a replacement. If we can get one in, a good one, then all well and good. If not I wouldn't be losing sleep about it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on July 29, 2018, 09:20:54 AM
If this goes through in a form anything like a straight swap deal (even as reverse loans, which seems the most likely) it is a terrible deal for us. Rondon is far superior to Gayle in almost every respect. I would expect any deal of this nature to be heavily weighted in our favour, with a significant financial top up coming our way
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on July 29, 2018, 09:23:13 AM
If this goes through in a form anything like a straight swap deal (even as reverse loans, which seems the most likely) it is a terrible deal for us. Rondon is far superior to Gayle in almost every respect. I would expect any deal of this nature to be heavily weighted in our favour, with a significant financial top up coming our way

Superior at everything except scoring goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 29, 2018, 09:31:30 AM
Superior at everything except scoring goals

Rondon has more goals in 3 premier league seasons than Gayle does in 4. Gayle's best scoring season was 7 goals in his first prem season, and since then he has hit 5, 3 and 6.

Rondon has hit 9, 8 and 7, and has a better top flight record elsewhere.

He is the far superior striker - Gayle's scoring record is very sketchy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 29, 2018, 09:33:33 AM
Rondon has more goals in 3 premier league seasons than Gayle does in 4. Gayle's best scoring season was 7 goals in his first prem season, and since then he has hit 5, 3 and 6.

Rondon has hit 9, 8 and 7, and has a better top flight record elsewhere.

He is the far superior striker - Gayle's scoring record is very sketchy.

Gayle scores a goal on average of every 92 minutes in the championship. His record isn't sketchy for where we are now where as no one is guaranteed to succeed Rondon fits that bill despite having a better record in the premier league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on July 29, 2018, 09:40:23 AM
Gayle strikes me as a goal poacher and not much else like Darren Bent so who would provide the service and lead the line beside him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 29, 2018, 09:41:29 AM
Agree with what you said about his hold up play. Our midfield at this level has goals everywhere. Although what I have seen of hrk hold up and leading the line (albeit against lesser opposition) has been quiet good.

Moore has Rondon as his third choice, that or he is that resigned to losing him he's not working his tactics round him.

Yesterday was the only pre-season game I've seen, but based on that, HRK is nowhere near Rondon for hold up play. The ball just kept bouncing off him.
I think DM is hedging his bets, just in case Rondon goes, if he stays, he'll almost certainly be first choice.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on July 29, 2018, 09:48:36 AM
If we really are transitioning to a more attacking style, Rondon's strength and hold up play will be invaluable. Not sure Gayle is the right kind of player to replace that, so if this deal is true then I'd hope we'd be going back into the market for another forward as well.

If it was me I'd be holding out for the full release clause to be met.
Agree.

Ask Newcastle to pay the release clause and we use the funds to find another target man for replacement, rather than Gayle.
Gayle is a goalscorer but rely on good support from midfield.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 29, 2018, 10:02:10 AM
Agree.

Ask Newcastle to pay the release clause and we use the funds to find another target man for replacement, rather than Gayle.
Gayle is a goalscorer but rely on good support from midfield.

I’d like to think we can sign Gayle and still have change for a targetman as well.

Chadli will be off the wage bill soon so should be room to manoeuvre.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 29, 2018, 12:42:17 PM
Rondon is far superior to Gayle in almost every respect.

In 2017/18 Rondon averaged a PL goal every 396 minutes (7 goals in 2772 minutes). Dwight Gayle averaged a PL every 326 minutes he played. (6 goals in 1960 minutes). Gayle also has a better career goal average, a better assist average and is two years younger.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on July 29, 2018, 12:47:27 PM
Is there any reliable sources saying this is even remotely close to happening? Would love Gayle in the championship but still not convinced this one will happen
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on July 29, 2018, 01:15:15 PM
Does anyone know when the release clause expires?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on July 29, 2018, 01:41:16 PM
In 2017/18 Rondon averaged a PL goal every 396 minutes (7 goals in 2772 minutes). Dwight Gayle averaged a PL every 326 minutes he played. (6 goals in 1960 minutes). Gayle also has a better career goal average, a better assist average and is two years younger.
What sort of silliness is this? Gayle was playing for a better team, who played with much more attacking intent, and had players around him in support much more often, but you make the comparison as if none of this is relevant. If, as you suggest, Gayle is a better player than Rondon, you would expect Newcastle fans to be up in arms about swapping their good player for one who is older and worse, but no, nearly three quarters of them in a recent poll would rather have Rondon. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2018, 01:45:02 PM
Sky Sports reporting Fulham have agreed a £22m fee with Newcastle for Mitrovic

And they, Newcastle are in talks with us about Rondon, the actual structure of the deal is not clear, but Gayle and cash was suggested.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on July 29, 2018, 02:07:21 PM
Alan Nixon reporting the swap deal has hit a snag over terms. I was also wondering whether the injury to Lejeune may have an impact on the deal has Newcastle now urgent!y need a cb having sold Mbemba to
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on July 29, 2018, 02:08:36 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't really fancy Gayle?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on July 29, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't really fancy Gayle?

No you’re not. I want another ‘proper’ centre forward. Am really disappointed that we didn’t sign Jack Marriott.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 29, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
No you’re not. I want another ‘proper’ centre forward. Am really disappointed that we didn’t sign Jack Marriott.
agree about Marriott. Feel Gayle will do a job and offer us pace though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 29, 2018, 02:29:18 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't really fancy Gayle?

You are not alone I think we are buying one very good Championship season of 2 years ago and keeping our fingers crossed that he can recapture that form. Everything before and after has been fairly moderate and this is a player who is primarily a goal scorer if isn't scoring he is not bringing an awful lot else to the party.

Alan Nixon reporting the swap deal has hit a snag over terms. I was also wondering whether the injury to Lejeune may have an impact on the deal has Newcastle now urgent!y need a cb having sold Mbemba to

It would not surprise if this fell down on Gayle's wage demands assuming the swap deal is both club's preferred option. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on July 29, 2018, 02:29:31 PM
What sort of silliness is this? Gayle was playing for a better team, who played with much more attacking intent, and had players around him in support much more often, but you make the comparison as if none of this is relevant. If, as you suggest, Gayle is a better player than Rondon, you would expect Newcastle fans to be up in arms about swapping their good player for one who is older and worse, but no, nearly three quarters of them in a recent poll would rather have Rondon. I wonder why?

Because they havent seen Rondon play?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on July 29, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
You are not alone I think we are buying one very good Championship season of 2 years ago and keeping our fingers crossed that he can recapture that form. Everything before and after has been fairly moderate and this is a player who is primarily a goal scorer if isn't scoring he is not bringing an awful lot else to the party.

It would not surprise if this fell down on Gayle's wage demands assuming the swap deal is both club's preferred option.


That's exactly my concern.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on July 29, 2018, 02:41:26 PM
What sort of silliness is this? Gayle was playing for a better team, who played with much more attacking intent, and had players around him in support much more often, but you make the comparison as if none of this is relevant. If, as you suggest, Gayle is a better player than Rondon, you would expect Newcastle fans to be up in arms about swapping their good player for one who is older and worse, but no, nearly three quarters of them in a recent poll would rather have Rondon. I wonder why?

Yep if people look at Rondon's stats before he came to us they will see your point!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 29, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
You are not alone I think we are buying one very good Championship season of 2 years ago and keeping our fingers crossed that he can recapture that form. Everything before and after has been fairly moderate and this is a player who is primarily a goal scorer if isn't scoring he is not bringing an awful lot else to the party.

It would not surprise if this fell down on Gayle's wage demands assuming the swap deal is both club's preferred option.
I would point out that Gayle had another Championship season with Peterborough where he managed 13 goals in 29 games. That was 4/5 years before the Newcastle season when he got 23 in 32...

He is good enough for this level and fits the general style better than the PL.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on July 29, 2018, 03:16:53 PM
Newcastle reporter has wrote an article - basically it will be Gayle plus cash and we want Gayle in time for Bolton game. Chuffed with that tbh, I’d imagine cash would be 3-5 million. Good deal all round, rondon is better but only 1 year on contract and he doesn’t score enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on July 29, 2018, 03:25:33 PM
Newcastle reporter has wrote an article - basically it will be Gayle plus cash and we want Gayle in time for Bolton game. Chuffed with that tbh, I’d imagine cash would be 3-5 million. Good deal all round, rondon is better but only 1 year on contract and he doesn’t score enough.

Really hope this happens but you just never know with us
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on July 29, 2018, 03:36:19 PM
Rondon and Gayle are completely different sorts of players. Gayle needs a partner but is a natural finisher whereas Rondon regularly plays as a lone frontman and is a better team player/ hold up player rather than a pure goal scorer .  If we're to play more through midfield , on the ground and get more players in the box, Gayle fits that style well and has a pedigree at this level. Versus Vydra, I'd have Gayle for e.g.

I think it's a decent deal for everyone concerned. We do need a striker who is a hold up player/ used to playing the lone frontman more though. HRK did this for Wales Nd us occasionally but I wouldn't rely on him.

I'd wish Rondon well, he's worked his socks off for us and has left us on good terms.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 29, 2018, 04:32:51 PM
Newcastle reporter has wrote an article - basically it will be Gayle plus cash and we want Gayle in time for Bolton game. Chuffed with that tbh, I’d imagine cash would be 3-5 million. Good deal all round, rondon is better but only 1 year on contract and he doesn’t score enough.

I would be very happy if that is correct, presumably that is Gayle signing for us permanently and not just on loan?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on July 29, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
No point in doing a loan-swap-deal as next season Rondon would be 30 and deeper into his contract, making him less valuable; I'd rather sell and bring in Gayle.

For those comparing the two, it's not like we're in a fantastic position as we've just been relegated. What I will say is that Gayle is arguably the best striker in the league based on his goal-record - which would be nice to have at our disposal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on July 29, 2018, 05:02:22 PM
Newcastle got £22m from Mitrovic's move and they are in a hurry to get Rondon in.
Hope the board can push them to pay more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 29, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
Newcastle got £22m from Mitrovic's move and they are in a hurry to get Rondon in.
Hope the board can push them to pay more.

They can buy Rondon outright for £16m as per his release clause but to date haven't been willing to put up the cash (and neither has anybody else).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2018, 05:11:26 PM
As far as Gayle is concerned, he appears to have a decent record at Championship level, which is where we are. I’d prefer to retain Rondon, but that is now seemingly unlikely.

Gayle plays for a PL club and is on PL wages, but I don’t know how much. Now, having dropped a division and our players wages have been flexed down, how are we going to

1. persuade him, Gayle to come to us for less money than he is on now?

2. explain to our senior players why he is on more money than they are on?

Or have I missed something?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 29, 2018, 05:11:56 PM
Newcastle got £22m from Mitrovic's move and they are in a hurry to get Rondon in.
Hope the board can push them to pay more.


They don't need to pay a penny more than £16.5 million.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on July 29, 2018, 05:18:52 PM
As far as Gayle is concerned, he appears to have a decent record at Championship level, which is where we are. I’d prefer to retain Rondon, but that is now seemingly unlikely.

Gayle plays for a PL club and is on PL wages, but I don’t know how much. Now, having dropped a division and our players wages have been flexed down, how are we going to

1. persuade him, Gayle to come to us for less money than he is on now?

2. explain to our senior players why he is on more money than they are on?

Or have I missed something?

1) I would assume that Gayle would be on the same amount of money that he was on at Newcastle? Lets say he's on 60k p/w and so is Rondon, it would be a straight swap - overall our wages will be drastically less this year anyway with guys like Greg, Sturridge leaving, even more so if Chadli goes - guys like Townsend and Barnes will be on far less.

2) That's always been part of football, the dressing room will always have higher earners than others - it would have been the same when we signed Rondon, Chadli etc. Peace mentioned this years back and said that most footballers weren't as bothered as people make out regarding wages and money.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on July 29, 2018, 05:19:36 PM
Because they havent seen Rondon play?
They have seen Rondon play just as much as those on here have seen Gayle play
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2018, 05:25:59 PM
1) I would assume that Gayle would be on the same amount of money that he was on at Newcastle? Lets say he's on 60k p/w and so is Rondon, it would be a straight swap - overall our wages will be drastically less this year anyway with guys like Greg, Sturridge leaving, even more so if Chadli goes - guys like Townsend and Barnes will be on far less.

2) That's always been part of football, the dressing room will always have higher earners than others - it would have been the same when we signed Rondon, Chadli etc. Peace mentioned this years back and said that most footballers weren't as bothered as people make out regarding wages and money.

Even though Rondon had a release clause, he must have had a flex down clause or why give him the release clause?

If I had been on £60k last year and was now on £30k and someone was bought in on £60k, I wouldn’t be happy and if there are 5 or 6 other players like me, it would soon cause unrest

But I really hope you are right, but I don’t think it will be that simple.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 29, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
1) I would assume that Gayle would be on the same amount of money that he was on at Newcastle? Lets say he's on 60k p/w and so is Rondon, it would be a straight swap - overall our wages will be drastically less this year anyway with guys like Greg, Sturridge leaving, even more so if Chadli goes - guys like Townsend and Barnes will be on far less.

2) That's always been part of football, the dressing room will always have higher earners than others - it would have been the same when we signed Rondon, Chadli etc. Peace mentioned this years back and said that most footballers weren't as bothered as people make out regarding wages and money.

According to this Gayle is on £40K a week, seems about right for someone who isn't a regular starter.

https://sillyseason.com/salary/newcastle-united-players-salaries-99593/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 29, 2018, 05:35:24 PM
I think a few of our fans are going to realise this summer just how highly rated Rondon is in the wider footballing world. We've had people on here criminally under rating him for the past 2 years, fact of the matter is that we won't be signing anyone near his class at least until we are back in the Prem.

For £16m I think he'll be looked at as a potential back up striker by a lot of the Champions League big-hitters. Failing that he'll be off to start for a Europa League contender, unless Pellegrini can persuade him to join West Ham.

Rondon has a 17 million buy out clause that has all sorts of clubs intrested. From Chelsea to the Dingles

Was a good post until about half way through, because Rondon IS a £30 million striker, he's just got a silly low release clause which I guess we had to agree to to stand any chance of signing him in the first place.

Some cracking comments here on Rondon, hilariously wide of the mark.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on July 29, 2018, 05:35:39 PM

They don't need to pay a penny more than £16.5 million.
They are offering £3-5m plus Gayle according to the report.
I hope we can get more than that for the cash part.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 29, 2018, 05:37:24 PM
They are offering £3-5m plus Gayle according to the report.
I hope we can get more than that for the cash part.

What report, link? Hope we get Gayle permanently, not on loan.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2018, 05:43:59 PM
According to this Gayle is on £40K a week, seems about right for someone who isn't a regular starter.

https://sillyseason.com/salary/newcastle-united-players-salaries-99593/

According to the link below, it would appear he would still be on twice as much as some of our senior pros after flexdown

Source: https://www.spotrac.com/epl/west-bromwich-albion-f.c/payroll/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on July 29, 2018, 06:09:59 PM
Even though Rondon had a release clause, he must have had a flex down clause or why give him the release clause?

If I had been on £60k last year and was now on £30k and someone was bought in on £60k, I wouldn’t be happy and if there are 5 or 6 other players like me, it would soon cause unrest

But I really hope you are right, but I don’t think it will be that simple.

That's not how it works though, in every club in every division there will be players earning much more than others, whether they're senior or not.

Basically, every time there's a 'big' signing, the player will usually be the top earner at their new club, it's been this way since the 80's and it's nothing new.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 29, 2018, 06:14:12 PM
Someone walking into the dressing room earning £40k a week on a permanent deal is a problem. First off it is probably £10k a week greater than anybody else and they have all just taken a 50% pay cut and it is Dwight Gayle not Lionel Messi, he is not a big signing in the context of that dressing room.  Secondly while that is okay for us financially now unless we get promoted then that starts to become a problem next year and an even bigger problem the year after.

This is the reason more than anything else I don't think the Gayle/Rondon swap will happen.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on July 29, 2018, 06:36:45 PM
Someone walking into the dressing room earning £40k a week on a permanent deal is a problem. First off it is probably £10k a week greater than anybody else and they have all just taken a 50% pay cut and it is Dwight Gayle not Lionel Messi, he is not a big signing in the context of that dressing room.  Secondly while that is okay for us financially now unless we get promoted then that starts to become a problem next year and an even bigger problem the year after.

This is the reason more than anything else I don't think the Gayle/Rondon swap will happen.

Financially it can be done easily, i.e.
Barnes is on £10k p/w - McClean was on £30k p/w
Townsend is on £10k p/w - Dawson was on £30k p/w
Johnstone is on £25k p/w - Foster was on £40k p/w

Those numbers are hypothetical, but you get my idea. The alternative is to sell Rondon and replace him with someone on under £20k p/w...well then you don't get Dwight Gayle who is proven at this level and your promotion chances get slashed massively.

As said previously, Peace said the flex contracts didn't bother the players too much. No one moaned when Paul Scharner came in on massive wages either, they got on with it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on July 29, 2018, 06:55:34 PM
Financially it can be done easily, i.e.
Barnes is on £10k p/w - McClean was on £30k p/w
Townsend is on £10k p/w - Dawson was on £30k p/w
Johnstone is on £25k p/w - Foster was on £40k p/w

Those numbers are hypothetical, but you get my idea. The alternative is to sell Rondon and replace him with someone on under £20k p/w...well then you don't get Dwight Gayle who is proven at this level and your promotion chances get slashed massively.

As said previously, Peace said the flex contracts didn't bother the players too much. No one moaned when Paul Scharner came in on massive wages either, they got on with it.
If one good season makes you proven at this level, we might as well get Berahino back
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 29, 2018, 07:07:45 PM
Dwight Gayle scores goals but isn't going to be the lone striker we need to hold the ball up. No pi$$ing about with his. Pay the full amount so we can go elsewhere. I would rather we went abroad or had signed Marriott or even Abel Hernandez on a free
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2018, 07:18:20 PM
Financially it can be done easily, i.e.
Barnes is on £10k p/w - McClean was on £30k p/w
Townsend is on £10k p/w - Dawson was on £30k p/w
Johnstone is on £25k p/w - Foster was on £40k p/w

Those numbers are hypothetical, but you get my idea. The alternative is to sell Rondon and replace him with someone on under £20k p/w...well then you don't get Dwight Gayle who is proven at this level and your promotion chances get slashed massively.

As said previously, Peace said the flex contracts didn't bother the players too much. No one moaned when Paul Scharner came in on massive wages either, they got on with it.

I agree with Stan, it’s not as easy as your hyperthetical suggestion above I’m afraid.

And Schumer only stayed 2 seasons before we shipped him out and remember he joined a promoted club where other players probably had a pay rise.

But do hope you are right and I’m wrong
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on July 29, 2018, 07:18:30 PM
I am not saying Gayle is the answer but i can quite see why we want a striker like that as we dont currently have one.

Our strikers are more powerful, hold the ball up types, Gayle is different, he is quick, he has good movement and he runs behind defenders.

This season we will need different options because we are there to be shot at, especially to start, a number of teams will put a lot of men behind the ball, so we do need options in midfield and attack, whether thats Gayle or somebody else i hope we are looking at that type of striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2018, 07:23:33 PM
I am not saying Gayle is the answer but i can quite see why we want a striker like that as we dont currently have one.

Our strikers are more powerful, hold the ball up types, Gayle is different, he is quick, he has good movement and he runs behind defenders.

This season we will need different options because we are there to be shot at, especially to start, a number of teams will put a lot of men behind the ball, so we do need options in midfield and attack, whether thats Gayle or somebody else i hope we are looking at that type of striker.

Vydra, arguably is similar type to Gayle and probably wouldn’t disrupt the pay structure to the same extent
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 29, 2018, 08:04:36 PM
I'd imagine that Gayle would also be looking for that sort of figure too

Apparently Gayle is on 35/40 either way surely we are going to end up with one of the two.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 29, 2018, 08:18:35 PM
Apparently Gayle is on 35/40 either way surely we are going to end up with one of the two.

Personally, I would rather have Rondon than either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 29, 2018, 08:25:19 PM
Someone walking into the dressing room earning £40k a week on a permanent deal is a problem. First off it is probably £10k a week greater than anybody else and they have all just taken a 50% pay cut and it is Dwight Gayle not Lionel Messi, he is not a big signing in the context of that dressing room.  Secondly while that is okay for us financially now unless we get promoted then that starts to become a problem next year and an even bigger problem the year after.

This is the reason more than anything else I don't think the Gayle/Rondon swap will happen.

I hope it's just wishful thinking on the Newcastle side. If they want Rondon, they pay us the value of the release clause, then we're free to chose who we replace him with.
I still think he could do a job for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 29, 2018, 08:39:19 PM
Personally, I would rather have Rondon than either.
Amen to that !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mikehy on July 29, 2018, 08:40:28 PM
We could pay Gayle a bigger signing on fee to keep his weekly wage down
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 29, 2018, 08:47:17 PM
Surely a 16.5m release clause means that is the amount offered?

Or could it be 4m up front with 12.5m add ons... Would that trigger the clause?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 29, 2018, 09:03:18 PM
Surely a 16.5m release clause means that is the amount offered?

Or could it be 4m up front with 12.5m add ons... Would that trigger the clause?


TBH I don't know, but I suspect not, staged payments would effect the cash flow of the selling club.

On the other hand, there's nothing to stop the selling club accepting a lower offer, especially if it meant getting a non-productive high earner off the books.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on July 29, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
Personally, I would rather have Rondon than either.

But that's not possible. He has a release clause which can be activated and then he's gone, it's not about preferring Rondon at this point, it's about accepting he can leave and getting the best replacement.

On to Gayle, his career record throughout all divisions is practically 1 in 2. I don't think you could get much better than that, but he may not even join anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 29, 2018, 09:49:44 PM
But that's not possible. He has a release clause which can be activated and then he's gone, it's not about preferring Rondon at this point, it's about accepting he can leave and getting the best replacement.

On to Gayle, his career record throughout all divisions is practically 1 in 2. I don't think you could get much better than that, but he may not even join anyway.

I haven't got a problem with that, but, at the moment nobody's met it.

The Newcastle arrangement might suit them, but I'm not sure it suits us.
Personally, I'd sooner have the £16.5 million & buy my own centre forward
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 29, 2018, 10:07:16 PM
But that's not possible. He has a release clause which can be activated and then he's gone, it's not about preferring Rondon at this point, it's about accepting he can leave and getting the best replacement.

On to Gayle, his career record throughout all divisions is practically 1 in 2. I don't think you could get much better than that, but he may not even join anyway.


It's not is it? 174 games 64 goals.


A stretch to count his 42 Conference and 7 League 2 goals as relevant to us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on July 29, 2018, 11:04:38 PM
His wikipedia is at 220 games, 93 goals.

Plenty of good goalscorers started in non-league, you can't not count it if it's part of someones career. If you want to be more precise, then look at his Championship record which is the level he'd be playing at - which is 61 games and 36 goals. Whatever way you look at it that is impressive.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 29, 2018, 11:10:12 PM
looks like Rondon to the toon will be a loan.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/948167318?-11200:789
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 29, 2018, 11:47:27 PM
If it is a swap, one is a player moving back to the Premier League and one is moving back to the Championship, obviously we are getting the best player out of the two. Newcastle are clueless.  :-[

For the stattos, Rondon has never scored in the Championship.  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 29, 2018, 11:53:57 PM
If it is a swap, one is a player moving back to the Premier League and one is moving back to the Championship, obviously we are getting the best player out of the two. Newcastle are clueless.  :-[

For the stattos, Rondon has never scored in the Championship.  :o

excellent post !
how we can consider a swap is beyond me, there would have to be a BIG makeweight involved !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 30, 2018, 07:49:17 AM

It's not is it? 174 games 64 goals.


A stretch to count his 42 Conference and 7 League 2 goals as relevant to us.

To be fair to the original poster he did say "practically 1 in 2", your assessment of 64 in 174 games is still 1 in 2.7 games though, so not be sniffed at.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on July 30, 2018, 09:24:52 AM
now seem to be saying rondon goes and we get gayle and £3m
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 30, 2018, 09:26:47 AM
so 3 million + gayle. gayle agreeing terms i have just read
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 30, 2018, 09:28:03 AM
now seem to be saying rondon goes and we get gayle and £3m
So that values Gayle at 13.5 million?  That’s a hefty price tag.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 30, 2018, 09:55:25 AM
now seem to be saying rondon goes and we get gayle and £3m
If Gayle has agreed terms with us, seems he must have accepted a large pay cut. Seems quite possible he has been given a ‘golden goodbye’ by Newcastle which could explain the lower than expected £3 million in our favour.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on July 30, 2018, 10:05:46 AM
so 3 million + gayle. gayle agreeing terms i have just read
it came from a fake twitter account. He’s training in Portugal with Newcastle
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 30, 2018, 10:09:27 AM
it came from a fake twitter account. He’s training in Portugal with Newcastle


fake news, jesus the world is full of it. not overly fussed with Gayle really
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 30, 2018, 10:46:16 AM
it came from a fake twitter account. He’s training in Portugal with Newcastle

it's supposed to have come from Andrew Ryan at The Guardian.

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/30/journalist-reveals-the-deal-nufc-have-agreed-with-west-brom-for-rondon-player-plus-cash/

also being reported by Newcastle Chronicle.

Gayle can always fly back to UK from Portugal to seal the deal, Mitrovic has just done the same thing to sign for Fulham.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on July 30, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
No, it looks like it's happening. I've been looking at Newcastle fans' views on Gayle and most seem of the opinion that he hasn't been the same player since he had his hamstring injury in January 2017. Slightly worrying, but we'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on July 30, 2018, 11:48:22 AM
it's supposed to have come from Andrew Ryan at The Guardian.

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/30/journalist-reveals-the-deal-nufc-have-agreed-with-west-brom-for-rondon-player-plus-cash/

also being reported by Newcastle Chronicle.

Gayle can always fly back to UK from Portugal to seal the deal, Mitrovic has just done the same thing to sign for Fulham.
few people saying the original tweet was from a fake account, not sure, it’s certainly not a verified account
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 30, 2018, 11:55:42 AM
it's supposed to have come from Andrew Ryan at The Guardian.

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/30/journalist-reveals-the-deal-nufc-have-agreed-with-west-brom-for-rondon-player-plus-cash/

also being reported by Newcastle Chronicle.

Gayle can always fly back to UK from Portugal to seal the deal, Mitrovic has just done the same thing to sign for Fulham.


Who?

Not listed as a Guardian Columnist

https://www.theguardian.com/index/contributors (https://www.theguardian.com/index/contributors)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 30, 2018, 12:11:01 PM

Who?

Not listed as a Guardian Columnist

https://www.theguardian.com/index/contributors (https://www.theguardian.com/index/contributors)

don't shoot the messanger, I was just posting what NUFC blog and Newcastle Chronicle were reporting.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2018, 12:11:57 PM
don't shoot the messanger, I was just posting what NUFC blog and Newcastle Chronicle were reporting.

I would be very careful about accounts from ARYAN
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on July 30, 2018, 12:42:08 PM
This is the original source of the reports regarding Gayle and £3 million by Andrew Ryan.

https://twitter.com/scoobsfor

No idea who he is, whether he's legit or some kind of sad weirdo who's pumping himself up in similar vein to how many supporters do on football forums across the world.

Think I'll adopt my usual stance regarding official press releases .........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba1993dave on July 30, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
Will do well at Newcastle and I wish him luck if he does indeed go. Comes across as a decent guy unlike the snakes    who have recently left. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on July 30, 2018, 12:52:39 PM
This is the original source of the reports regarding Gayle and £3 million by Andrew Ryan.

https://twitter.com/scoobsfor

No idea who he is, whether he's legit or some kind of sad weirdo who's pumping himself up in similar vein to how many supporters do on football forums across the world.

Think I'll adopt my usual stance regarding official press releases .........

I'm fairly sure its a fake account. Has barely over 100 tweets and no results of that name working for the guardian after a quick google
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on July 30, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
I'm fairly sure its a fake account. Has barely over 100 tweets and no results of that name working for the guardian after a quick google

Profile pic' (age), journalist for 12 media outlets,  not much of an output for an account that's been active for almost twelve months either  ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 30, 2018, 01:20:14 PM
don't shoot the messanger, I was just posting what NUFC blog and Newcastle Chronicle were reporting.

Sorry Hull, wasn't having a go at you personally, but, in my experience, Newsnow is not the fount of all knowledge.

There are one or two twitter users who I tend to find reliable, & until, it comes from them, I tend to dismiss other information.

All of the Rondon to Newcastle stuff seems to be coming from their end, & I'm sure discussions have been taking place, but I've seen nothing reliable yet to suggest that either players or clubs are close to an agreement.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 30, 2018, 01:36:37 PM
Sorry Hull, wasn't having a go at you personally, but, in my experience, Newsnow is not the fount of all knowledge.

There are one or two twitter users who I tend to find reliable, & until, it comes from them, I tend to dismiss other information.

All of the Rondon to Newcastle stuff seems to be coming from their end, & I'm sure discussions have been taking place, but I've seen nothing reliable yet to suggest that either players or clubs are close to an agreement.


Newsnow is just a hub though isn't it, it's not as if they generate the stories themselves; just collect stories from a variety of media.
 However, yes both yourself and NathWBA appear to be right in that the originator of the post about Gayle/Rondon does indeed appear to be a fake account.

Having read other articles from more reliable sources I think you are right that the Rondon deal isn't as close as was suggested.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 30, 2018, 01:52:11 PM
I'm a Rondon fan,always have been,he's got a great attitude,works like the clappers for the team and I believe he has an affinity towards our club.
Trouble is this saga has been going on and off for too long I think were all fed up of it.
Nufc pay up front or go away,cheapscates.
Is it tomorrow that his clause expires? If so what time? Anybody know?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 30, 2018, 05:51:26 PM
Just been reported on BBC that Mitrovic has signed for Fulham.

Might see some movement now on Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on July 30, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
If it is a swap deal I would want a lot more than 3 million .... maybe 10 million
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on July 30, 2018, 07:38:06 PM
I've got nothing at all against Rondon, never been any trouble and seems a nice guy.
But he's not a natural finisher, Shearer, MacDonald or Wor Jackie he's not.
I hope he doesn't become a scapegoat, expectations will be high.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 08:04:10 PM
I've got nothing at all against Rondon, never been any trouble and seems a nice guy.
But he's not a natural finisher, Shearer, MacDonald or Wor Jackie he's not.
I hope he doesn't become a scapegoat, expectations will be high.

Hopefully he is actually signing permanently for them or on a loan that automatically converts to a permanent signing in a year as I can't see it being anything other than a car crash. Actually feel quite sorry for Newcastle fans, a lot of them are less than impressed with the signing but they don't know what is going go hit them, that first touch is going to raise eyebrows to put it politely. Wonder how long they will buy him falling over on the halfway line all the time looking for cheap free kicks or being unable to pass and move fluidly with the midfield. Funny reading on their forum their reaction to watching Rondon's youtube "highlights" video, a few remarked it was the worse they had ever seen for a striker, mostly a collection of missed chances and miss kicks.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2018, 08:07:37 PM
Hopefully he is actually signing permanently for them or on a loan that automatically converts to a permanent signing in a year as I can't see it being anything other than a car crash. Actually feel quite sorry for Newcastle fans, a lot of them are less than impressed with the signing but they don't know what is going go hit them, that first touch is going to raise eyebrows to put it politely. Wonder how long they will buy him falling over on the halfway line all the time looking for cheap free kicks or being unable to pass and move fluidly with the midfield. Funny reading on their forum their reaction to watching Rondon's youtube "highlights" video, a few remarked it was the worse they had ever seen for a striker, mostly a collection of missed chances and miss kicks.

Who will be your next target if Rondon goes? Gibbs?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 30, 2018, 08:10:53 PM
I said this in an earlier post,saint or sinner there's nothing else in a toon fans eyes.
If he scores regularly he's the saint,if not he will be taunted ridiculed and eventually will be run out of their club.
I want him to stay but if he goes to Newcastle I hope him and his agent know what they're in for.
It won't be a nice stay.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 30, 2018, 08:19:01 PM
A Venezualen journalist has set the Neecastle United twittersphere alight by suggesting the deal might be completed in the next 24 hours.
 
Reslly hope we are getting a good financial settlement for him, and not just some s**** loan fee. I honestly beleave he is a better player than Gayle, even if Gayle has had 2 decent seasons at championship level. We haven't had a chance to see the real Rondon here as he was hampered by Pulis style of play. Had he been able to play in a more attacking team, he would probably have scored more than the 24 he got in 3 years here (better than Gayle's prem record). 25 goals in 2 seasons at Malaga, and 25 goals in his final 2 seasons at Russia before moving to us suggests he could go double figures for Newcastle next season.

If we are getting Gayle, can he play as a loan striker, or would he require somebody next to him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on July 30, 2018, 08:23:38 PM
I said this in an earlier post,saint or sinner there's nothing else in a toon fans eyes.
If he scores regularly he's the saint,if not he will be taunted ridiculed and eventually will be run out of their club.
I want him to stay but if he goes to Newcastle I hope him and his agent know what they're in for.
It won't be a nice stay.
I spent a few years up there and watched them quite a lot.....99% of the time Rondon puts a big shift in which will go a long way with the fans.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 08:34:13 PM
Who will be your next target if Rondon goes? Gibbs?

Rondon should have been replaced last season, I was despondent that we stocked up on crab midfielders instead. My spirit is high at the moment as we're clearing out the junk that got us relegated and we're signing young and hungry players with real ability in their place. Delighted McClean gone, will raise a glass to Rondon faffing around for someone else and I'm more than happy to see Gibbs depart to Torino or anybody else for that matter. Looking forward to seeing the player from Scunthorpe get a run in the team, appears to have a good blend of ability, hunger and experience. Always telling when fans from selling clubs rate the player. Thankfully the backroom staff views on our team appear much more aligned to my own than a few of posters on here. Hence my praise for Big Dave at the weekend for the transfer activity to date. Hilarious that you view me as some player hate-bucket, it's failure through ineptitude and excuses for rubbish players I can't stand and we've had next to nothing to cheer about for the last 18 months. Just winning a few friendlies this pre-season and passing the ball a little bit has been a revelation.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 08:40:40 PM

We haven't had a chance to see the real Rondon here as he was hampered by Pulis style of play.....f we are getting Gayle, can he play as a loan striker, or would he require somebody next to him?

Well when Pardew took over changed tactics, went 442, had the majority of the ball (unheard of under Pulis) a few times and went through a spell against teams around us creating lots of chances and Rondon missed the lot, Stoke away, Palace home, Everton home, just off the top of my head. Your right playing up front under TP is a nightmare for any striker but that doesn't mean Rondon is up to much either.

Without seeing a huge amount of Newcastle in the championship I'm pretty sure Gayle was playing up front by himself in a 4-5-1 with Shelvey playing him in over the top (the sort of pass Brunt likes when he has a striker who can time a run in-behind) so I think that's definitely a main option. I wouldn't mind us brining in another striker as well though, someone a bit more of a presence in the box as really we could do with Gayle, J-Rod, HRK and another. Although we do have a lot of goals in our midfield potentially as well so I'm not too concerned at the moment. Sure lots of twists and turns between now and the close of the window - main risk will be keeping Dawson and J-Rod rather than missing out on new players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on July 30, 2018, 08:47:42 PM
Does anybody else feel we will sell Rondon but won’t get Gayle
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on July 30, 2018, 08:52:52 PM
I’d rather Newcastle pay the buy out in full than give us £3-5m plus Gayle. The price is his buy out if met in full. If not met in full we should be asking for a value of £20m so it should be more like £8-10m plus Gayle.

Gayle is not a premier league striker so valuing him anything over £10-£12 is too much. Those championship strikers costing more at least have some prospect or uncertainty surrounding if they could do it at a higher level.

Rondon may not get the goals but he can play at that level and does bring something to a team even if he probably needs a better goal scorer alongside.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 08:57:45 PM
Does anybody else feel we will sell Rondon but won’t get Gayle

No, the deals are inextricably linked.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 08:59:56 PM
I’d rather Newcastle pay the buy out in full than give us £3-5m plus Gayle.

I'd rather Angelina Jolie married me and not Brad Pitt. Unfortunately no club is the World has decided to pay £16m for Rondon so we're left with the deal with Newcastle. In the circumstances getting Gayle in when we can't sell Rondon for his release clause is a very positive outcome.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 30, 2018, 09:14:49 PM
I'd rather Angelina Jolie married me and not Brad Pitt. Unfortunately no club is the World has decided to pay £16m for Rondon so we're left with the deal with Newcastle. In the circumstances getting Gayle in when we can't sell Rondon for his release clause is a very positive outcome.


If nobody meets Rondon's release value, we don't have to sell.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
If nobody meets Rondon's release value, we don't have to sell.

Hanging onto a a depreciating asset who isn’t up to scratch who has failed consistently would be the definition of madness. Thankfully this discussion is very close to being academic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 30, 2018, 09:18:17 PM
Well when Pardew took over changed tactics, went 442, had the majority of the ball (unheard of under Pulis) a few times and went through a spell against teams around us creating lots of chances and Rondon missed the lot, Stoke away, Palace home, Everton home, just off the top of my head. Your right playing up front under TP is a nightmare for any striker but that doesn't mean Rondon is up to much either.

Without seeing a huge amount of Newcastle in the championship I'm pretty sure Gayle was playing up front by himself in a 4-5-1 with Shelvey playing him in over the top (the sort of pass Brunt likes when he has a striker who can time a run in-behind) so I think that's definitely a main option. I wouldn't mind us brining in another striker as well though, someone a bit more of a presence in the box as really we could do with Gayle, J-Rod, HRK and another. Although we do have a lot of goals in our midfield potentially as well so I'm not too concerned at the moment. Sure lots of twists and turns between now and the close of the window - main risk will be keeping Dawson and J-Rod rather than missing out on new players.

From what I saw of us under Pardew, we didn't create enough. We gave the strikers half chsnces and yes, Rondin missed too many, but if you are in a team with a creative midfielder as well as good wide players, you create more chances and give strikers more opportunities to hit form.

Once a striker hits form, then you can see how good they are.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 30, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
Hanging onto a a depreciating asset who isn’t up to scratch who has failed consistently would be the definition of madness. Thankfully this discussion is very close to being academic.


If it's a cash sale, then there would be a benefit, but exchanging one depreciating asset for another, would also be a poor piece of business in my opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 10:06:51 PM


If it's a cash sale, then there would be a benefit, but exchanging one depreciating asset for another, would also be a poor piece of business in my opinion.

Given Gayles record in the championship in 2016/17 we have to be confident he can be a major force for us. The only caveat is his fitness. Picked up a hamstring injury last season and struggled when he came back. Fingers crossed he is fit and ready to go. In which case it’s a no brainer. He’s a goalscorer. Bit like the McClean / Barnes transfer, we’re better off. Only department we’ve downgraded this summer is the GK and that was unavoidable as Foster’s knees can’t play three games a week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on July 31, 2018, 01:46:04 AM
No, the deals are inextricably linked.

Why? What’s stopping Newcastle activating Rondon’s release clause and keeps he Gayle?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on July 31, 2018, 06:25:57 AM
Why? What’s stopping Newcastle activating Rondon’s release clause and keeps he Gayle?

Simply that Newcastle can’t afford to buy without also selling
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 31, 2018, 07:27:25 AM
Simply that Newcastle can’t afford to buy without also selling

They've just sold Mitrovic for 22 million. Surely they could pay the 16.5 million and put the rest in the bank if they are that worried about spending. Really hope we get Gayle as part of the deal. He is clinical at this level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 31, 2018, 07:49:02 AM
Have the dates been publicly confirmed by the media as to when the release clauses of our players become inactive? Someone on Twitter thinks it may be today which means Newcastle would need to sign off on the deal with us and the FA today to get Rondon at his release clause fee.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 31, 2018, 08:03:32 AM
Have the dates been publicly confirmed by the media as to when the release clauses of our players become inactive? Someone on Twitter thinks it may be today which means Newcastle would need to sign off on the deal with us and the FA today to get Rondon at his release clause fee.
Surely just because the clause expires today doesn’t exclude us from selling him for the release fee tomorrow? The idea of the expiry date is to give us time to replace, if the deal is intrinsically linked to to Gayle it’s not quite as important.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2018, 08:10:19 AM
Surely just because the clause expires today doesn’t exclude us from selling him for the release fee tomorrow? The idea of the expiry date is to give us time to replace, if the deal is intrinsically linked to to Gayle it’s not quite as important.

Once the release clause date has expired, we don't have to sell at all.

Rondon falls into the same category as Dawson et al.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 31, 2018, 08:33:18 AM
Once the release clause date has expired, we don't have to sell at all.

Rondon falls into the same category as Dawson et al.
No that’s right, but it doesn’t mean we can’t still sell for the 16.5mill.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 31, 2018, 08:34:18 AM
If that release clause expires today Newcastle will want to makesure they complete the deal by the end of the day otherwise we can ask for whatever we want. I hope we get Gayle as part of the deal but let's wait and see. If the clause is up today I'd imagine we would hear something at some point today how it's going to happen or if it's fell through even.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 31, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
It seems Newcastle have had encouragement from us that we would do a deal regardless of the clause passing it's date, which I find a bit frustrating.

Can only imagine that Newcastle are getting closer to a deal where we get a decent amount of money, and get Gayle on a loan deal to replace him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 31, 2018, 08:35:11 AM
No that’s right, but it doesn’t mean we can’t still sell for the 16.5mill.

But we wouldn't. We could ask for whatever we please once it expires and in the current market I'd argue that's slightly low for Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on July 31, 2018, 08:49:22 AM
It seems Newcastle have had encouragement from us that we would do a deal regardless of the clause passing it's date, which I find a bit frustrating.

Can only imagine that Newcastle are getting closer to a deal where we get a decent amount of money, and get Gayle on a loan deal to replace him.
Agree, this seems the likely outcome now. If Gayle wasn't part of the deal, it would be in our interests to hold out, but the press seem convinced we are in talks so expect something will be agreed, although maybe not announced, today.
Can't say I'm disappointed with the deal, think it works well for all parties. Rondon is a good target man, which you need at the bottom end of the Prem because you need an outlet to relieve pressure, but he's not clinical enough. Whereas Gayle is a proven goalscorer at our level, which is what you need to challenge in the Championship.
Get it done and move on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 31, 2018, 09:04:30 AM
But we wouldn't. We could ask for whatever we please once it expires and in the current market I'd argue that's slightly low for Rondon.

Hardly a queue lined up to sign him though is there?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 09:07:38 AM
all this with 4 days to go before we kick off, its a joke
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on July 31, 2018, 09:24:16 AM
Don’t see any benefit in this deal happening with Gayle coming loan, permanent or nothing for me. Although I would put on record I’d rather keep Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 31, 2018, 09:28:20 AM
Hardly a queue lined up to sign him though is there?

So we keep him and that wouldn't be a bad thing would it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 09:29:16 AM
i say he stays until at least January, same applies with the others


http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/948356471?-11200:789
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2018, 10:13:41 AM
Don’t see any benefit in this deal happening with Gayle coming loan, permanent or nothing for me. Although I would put on record I’d rather keep Rondon

That's two of us then.

Just as an aside, I can see the attraction for Rondon playing in the Premier league, but for the life of me, I can't see why Gayle would leave a Premier League Club on Premier League wages to come to us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B714LF on July 31, 2018, 03:57:09 PM
That's quite simple and players move the this basis all the time. Hes not part of the managers plans. Does another Premier league club want him? He left Palace to join Newcastle in exactly the same circumstances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2018, 04:42:49 PM
That's quite simple and players move the this basis all the time. Hes not part of the managers plans. Does another Premier league club want him? He left Palace to join Newcastle in exactly the same circumstances.

But did he take a pay cut to join Newcastle? I'm not sure he did.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Blowee on July 31, 2018, 07:57:01 PM
If accounts are to be believed it sounds as though Gayle isn't keen on coming to us. If that's the case and Newcastle can't/won't  pay the asking price it looks more likely that Rondon will stay. It all seems more complicated than ever this year!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 31, 2018, 08:57:16 PM
The BBC reporter up in Newcastle is saying its been delayed because Gayle wants to stay with the Geordies.
The reporter is George somebody.
So if true,and they want Rondon, it will cost them 16:5 mill,or more tomorrow, because his clause expires at midnight? Then tomorrow we can either keep him to contract or state our own price which would be more than 16:5 million I would think.
So confusing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 31, 2018, 09:03:20 PM
The BBC reporter up in Newcastle is saying its been delayed because Gayle wants to stay with the Geordies.
The reporter is George somebody.
So if true,and they want Rondon, it will cost them 16:5 mill,or more tomorrow, because his clause expires at midnight? Then tomorrow we can either keep him to contract or state our own price which would be more than 16:5 million I would think. So confusing

All with most football deals this probably comes down to money. Gayle probably wants his Newcastle contract paid up in full along with a signing on fee and contract with Albion. Gayle and his agent will be aware they can squeeze Newcastle to bend over for him as they need him to move to us to avoid paying £16m for Rondon. Hence Gayle holds all the cards and his agent is probably putting the squeeze on Newcastle for every penny he can get. Standard football transfer for you.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on July 31, 2018, 09:04:00 PM
The BBC reporter up in Newcastle is saying its been delayed because Gayle wants to stay with the Geordies.
The reporter is George somebody.
So if true,and they want Rondon, it will cost them 16:5 mill,or more tomorrow, because his clause expires at midnight? Then tomorrow we can either keep him to contract or state our own price which would be more than 16:5 million I would think.
So confusing
It was George Caulkin who works for the Times, he’s pretty well informed up there. If Gayle isn’t involved then they need to pay up or move on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 31, 2018, 09:04:34 PM
If accounts are to be believed it sounds as though Gayle isn't keen on coming to us.
If true, this reinforces my point that many forget these are people at the end of the day and not merely objects to be traded. If Gayle ended up coming here, we'd want him to do so on the basis of him being fully motivated and wanting to do well, rather than the possibility of him feeling forced to come so that he could be a makeweight in a deal for Rondon. We've already had enough sulkers at the club for one decade thanks very much.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on July 31, 2018, 09:07:32 PM
If true, this reinforces my point that many forget these are people at the end of the day and not merely objects to be traded. If Gayle ended up coming here, we'd want him to do so on the basis of him being fully motivated and wanting to do well, rather than the possibility of him feeling forced to come so that he could be a makeweight in a deal for Rondon. We've already had enough sulkers at the club for one decade thanks very much.
If it's true that he is reluctant, I think we should be reluctant back
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on July 31, 2018, 09:12:57 PM
Happy enough if the swap don't come off and don't think sal will throw his toys out the pram, also think a season in the Championship will do wonders for his stats along with his confidence under a more attacking regime
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 31, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
I'd be happy enough if he ended up staying.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Blowee on July 31, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
I'd be happy enough if he ended up staying.
I would be happy too but doesn't his contract expire next summer in which case he leaves for nothing?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2018, 09:33:46 PM
I'll be delighted if this release clause deadline passes without it being triggered. Rondon is by far the best striker in the Championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on July 31, 2018, 09:42:59 PM
If an offer of 16.5m isn't received by midnight tonight then the club's line should be Sal isn't for sale. Our season starts on Saturday and we don't have a week to be messing around with Newcastle. At the end of the day if they wanted him enough they could have activated his release clause already.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on July 31, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
 Also don't we have a further years option to extend which means if he stayed,two more years
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on July 31, 2018, 09:55:25 PM
And I imagine if we went back up he would extend his contract at the end of the season anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 31, 2018, 10:01:53 PM
I'll be delighted if this release clause deadline passes without it being triggered. Rondon is by far the best striker in the Championship.

Comical as ever. Are you going to build a shrine to him in your living room when he leaves?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on July 31, 2018, 10:03:55 PM
Comical as ever. Are you going to build a shrine to him in your living room when he leaves?


No need for that is there its an opinion and its right. I totally agree with him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Throstletown on July 31, 2018, 10:09:01 PM
I agree if Rondon stays i will be happy, with support around him hopefully a centre mid with the pace to compliment him, he will be a different player. We just need that centre mid with 4 days to go.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 31, 2018, 10:09:50 PM
Comical as ever. Are you going to build a shrine to him in your living room when he leaves?

Can we cut the sarcastic responses please.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 31, 2018, 10:12:37 PM
how is it possible to claim a player is the best in that league when he's never played in it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on July 31, 2018, 10:20:35 PM
how is it possible to claim a player is the best in that league when he's never played in it?
It's an opinion. In your opinion, is there a better striker in the Championship?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 31, 2018, 10:21:47 PM
Rondon bullied PL defenders, he'll make mincemeat out of Championship ones.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on July 31, 2018, 10:24:40 PM
Comical as ever. Are you going to build a shrine to him in your living room when he leaves?

He's right, which is why Rondon won't be here, he's wanted by one of the best managers in the world to lead the line for one of the biggest clubs in the country. For Rondon's sake, I hope he gets the move as he has earned it. For our sake, I hope we get Gayle as it would lessen the blow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on July 31, 2018, 10:30:49 PM
how is it possible to claim a player is the best in that league when he's never played in it?

He obviously means "the highest calibre and most talented striker currently on the books of a Championship club" but didn't fancy typing it all out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Blowee on July 31, 2018, 10:39:17 PM
He's right, which is why Rondon won't be here, he's wanted by one of the best managers in the world to lead the line for one of the biggest clubs in the country. For Rondon's sake, I hope he gets the move as he has earned it. For our sake, I hope we get Gayle as it would lessen the blow.
Agree about Gayle but if Newcastle are really that big a club and they rate their managers judgement why can't they find £16.5 million to sign him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on July 31, 2018, 10:43:28 PM
how is it possible to claim a player is the best in that league when he's never played in it?

He's already predicted the leading lights of Europe would be beating down a door to sign Rondon and that he's worth £30m. Yet in the real world no-one is willing to pay £16m for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2018, 10:45:54 PM
Not his biggest fan but I hope he stays, too much disruption at this stage will affect our season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 31, 2018, 11:12:51 PM
He's already predicted the leading lights of Europe would be beating down a door to sign Rondon and that he's worth £30m. Yet in the real world no-one is willing to pay £16m for him.

and yet in the real world a club in China offered us £32m which for some reason we rejected.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 31, 2018, 11:14:34 PM
he ain't a striker, he's a hard grafting target man who is poor in front of goal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on July 31, 2018, 11:15:16 PM
and yet in the real world a club in China offered us £32m which for some reason we rejected.
Think I've read Pulis didn't want to sell and the player himself wasn't keen which is fair enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on July 31, 2018, 11:21:54 PM
You’re mad if you think Rondon won’t cut it in the Championship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 31, 2018, 11:31:11 PM
he wasn't even the best striker at the club last season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 31, 2018, 11:45:32 PM
and yet in the real world a club in China offered us £32m which for some reason we rejected.
He wasn't keen on the move, esp playing upfront with "Yow-woh win"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on August 01, 2018, 08:58:58 AM
What happens now?
Has his clause expired, so he stays?
Does he even want to leave?
We could ask for more money now if we want to sell him.
But only one taker at the moment.
Just get on with it asap either way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 01, 2018, 09:12:18 AM
What happens now?
Has his clause expired, so he stays?
Does he even want to leave?
We could ask for more money now if we want to sell him.
But only one taker at the moment.
Just get on with it asap either way.
Has his clause expired? The exact dates have up until now only been guess work haven’t they?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 01, 2018, 09:19:44 AM
NUFC blog with information from George Caulkin at The Times regarding the hold up with Rondon transfer.

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/31/george-caulkin-reveals-why-rondons-move-from-west-brom-to-nufc-has-now-been-delayed/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 01, 2018, 09:22:45 AM
NUFC blog with information from George Caulkin at The Times regarding the hold up with Rondon transfer.

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2018/07/31/george-caulkin-reveals-why-rondons-move-from-west-brom-to-nufc-has-now-been-delayed/
Image of Rondon on that Blog is weird its like looking at a slide (remember them) from wrong side and everything is reversed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on August 01, 2018, 10:15:45 AM
he wasn't even the best striker at the club last season.
17 minutes before you posted this, you were saying that he wasn't a striker at all - make your mind up. Plus I'm still waiting for your list of strikers who play for Championship clubs who you consider to be better than Rondon. Not holding my breath mind.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 01, 2018, 10:21:10 AM
17 minutes before you posted this, you were saying that he wasn't a striker at all - make your mind up. Plus I'm still waiting for your list of strikers who play for Championship clubs who you consider to be better than Rondon. Not holding my breath mind.

The fact is if Rondon does stay, a strike force of him and Rodriguez would be the best strike force in the championship. No arguments.

If the Newcastle deal does stall then the one good thing about Salomon is I imagine he will just get on with things, doesn't seem the type to throw his toys out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on August 01, 2018, 10:34:51 AM
Always got the impression Gayle was reluctant to leave Newcastle, think last summer and in January just gone he distanced himself from the chance to move away.

According to one report he would only join us if he was made an 'offer too good to turn down' which as he is probably on premier league wages, we are now a championship club, that offer was unlikely to happen, you would also hope from a playing perspective he had some enthusiasm for joining and the chance to play regular.

I wouldnt of minded Gayle, i think we need a striker of that type as we dont have one, however not massively disappointed if it isnt him, i think there will probably be better value about, possibly abroad with a hunger to do well and make it in england.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2018, 10:36:05 AM
The fact is if Rondon does stay, a strike force of him and Rodriguez would be the best strike force in the championship. No arguments.

If the Newcastle deal does stall then the one good thing about Salomon is I imagine he will just get on with things, doesn't seem the type to throw his toys out.



hes a stroppy so and so, didnt he chuck his top once. i still want us to keep him though at least until jan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on August 01, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
Now the clause is up we're going to be looking at £25m for Rondon. Hope if he is to go that we can get that sorted sooner rather than later, if we keep him for a season in this league it would be a real bonus.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 01, 2018, 10:57:45 AM
Now the clause is up we're going to be looking at £25m for Rondon. Hope if he is to go that we can get that sorted sooner rather than later, if we keep him for a season in this league it would be a real bonus.
where was the exact date of the clause cut off published?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on August 01, 2018, 11:01:02 AM
where was the exact date of the clause cut off published?

Widely accepted to be midnight, it might be Chadli or Hegazi that goes a few days into August but I'd imagine they'll all be done by the time the weekend is out.

have a look through Matt Wilson at the E&S tweets about it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 01, 2018, 11:17:24 AM
Widely accepted to be midnight, it might be Chadli or Hegazi that goes a few days into August but I'd imagine they'll all be done by the time the weekend is out.

have a look through Matt Wilson at the E&S tweets about it.


This is what Matt Wison said

Quote
Nacer Chadli has a £17m release clause, Salomon Rondon has a £16.5m release clause, and Ahmed Hegazi has a £10m release clause.

The clauses time out on different days in late July and early August, giving the club time to buy replacements before the self-imposed transfer deadline for English clubs on August 9.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 01, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
Would I be right in saying that the release clause is for a buying team to meet that clause in either cash or cash plus player, and the we are under no obligation to accept loan offers?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 01, 2018, 11:33:46 AM
Would I be right in saying that the release clause is for a buying team to meet that clause in either cash or cash plus player, and the we are under no obligation to accept loan offers?

Correct. Only transfers are normally subject to release clauses. Of course we don't know exactly what the clause says
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 01, 2018, 11:38:26 AM
Apparently Gayle doesn't fancy the move down ..?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on August 01, 2018, 11:43:27 AM
Another rumour doing the rounds on Twitter that the stumbling blocks are:

- Gayle's personal terms with us.
- The deal is a one year swap loan. At the end of the year Newcastle have the option to buy Rondon whereas Gayle would be compulsory for us.

rubbish deal if true.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 01, 2018, 11:44:59 AM
Doesn’t want championship or championship wages. Well, if that’s the case forget Gayle.
Would have liked him here as I’m sure he’d get 15-20 goals but if heart not in it let’s move on.
Newcastle despite mitrovic money won’t stump up cash so we keep rondon and hope he takes to the championship
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 01, 2018, 11:48:30 AM
The best way forward for us would be to persuade Rondon to stay until the January window, by then if he's as good as his plaudits say he is and he's banging goals in the big boys will be back, by which time if we are at the business end of the division we would be a more attractive proposition for another striker
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 01, 2018, 11:49:58 AM
All this is music to my ears personally as I’d like us to keep Rondón and not sign Gayle. Let’s face it if we keep him J-Rod that’s a Prem pairing in the Championship, they have enough about them to bully defences.

Plus the longer it drags on the closer we get to the deadline for his release clause ending so his price should only go up
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 01, 2018, 11:51:41 AM
The best way forward for us would be to persuade Rondon to stay until the January window, by then if he's as good as his plaudits say he is and he's banging goals in the big boys will be back, by which time if we are at the business end of the division we would be a more attractive proposition for another striker

Totally agree!

On the Gayle front. I don't want anyone here who needs overtly persuading
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on August 01, 2018, 12:04:20 PM
Totally agree!

On the Gayle front. I don't want anyone here who needs overtly persuading
yes agreed Knave, if he has any doubts then we should not pursue him, we need a team that wants to play for the shirt!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 01, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
Hopefully, we can now rule out the Gayle part of the deal.

If Newcastle want Rondon, it's £16.5 million end of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 01, 2018, 12:17:47 PM
yes agreed Knave, if he has any doubts then we should not pursue him, we need a team that wants to play for the shirt!

That ship sailed 30 plus years ago, only players to join us who would play for shirt are likely to be local lads which is extremely unlikely to happen a player may develop an affinity with the club over time, but not upon joining.
All mercenaries now, to think anything other than that is naive IMO
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Blowee on August 01, 2018, 12:22:37 PM
My biggest fear is that we let it drag on until next Thursday and then release him in the last few hours of the deadline without a replacement. At least if he goes now we have time to sort something. It will be interesting to see if he's in the team on Saturday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 01, 2018, 12:31:00 PM
According to Sky Sports:

09:59

RONDON DEAL STALLED

Sky Sports News understands Salomon Rondon’s proposed move from West Brom to Newcastle has stalled, as the two clubs struggle to find an agreement.

Albion are keen to keep the bulk of their squad together, as they try to mount a challenge to bounce straight back up to the Premier League.

But the proposed loan swap deal with Dwight Gayle looks unlikely to happen, at this stage, because Albion aren’t prepared to pay his level of wages, and they won’t agree to Newcastle’s demands that they will purchase the striker once the loan deal has expired.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 01, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
The best way forward for us would be to persuade Rondon to stay until the January window, by then if he's as good as his plaudits say he is and he's banging goals in the big boys will be back, by which time if we are at the business end of the division we would be a more attractive proposition for another striker

His contract expires next year.

Pretty sure he's free to start negotiating a summer Bosman with interested parties from January onwards.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Halesowen12 on August 01, 2018, 12:35:24 PM
His contract expires next year.

Pretty sure he's free to start negotiating a summer Bosman with interested parties from January onwards.

That is true, but didn't someone say the club can activate an additional year on his contract? I may be wrong but if so I wonder when we can do that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 01, 2018, 12:43:05 PM
That is true, but didn't someone say the club can activate an additional year on his contract? I may be wrong but if so I wonder when we can do that

No idea to be honest, doesn't say anything regarding an additional year option on his club profile page.

https://www.wba.co.uk/teams/senior/forward/salomon-rondon/

"The smiling striker signed a four-year contract on arriving from Zenit St Petersburg in August 2015 for a then undisclosed by club record fee".
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on August 01, 2018, 12:44:01 PM
That ship sailed 30 plus years ago, only players to join us who would play for shirt are likely to be local lads which is extremely unlikely to happen a player may develop an affinity with the club over time, but not upon joining.
All mercenaries now, to think anything other than that is naive IMO
Well that kinda gives my age away I guess but I'm OK to be considered naive  ;D.
I don't expect badge kissing or tattoos of BaggieBird on a players torso but I do expect 100% effort & commitment whenever they pull the shirt on (really no different to any other profession).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 01, 2018, 01:26:40 PM
Am I right in thinking we can still sell to non-English teams between 9th and 31st August?

I also think we would also be able to loan players with a guarenteed buy in January during this time too?  I guess this works either way too?

So, even after the 9th we could agree to loan Rondon to a PL club, and they pay in January.

I know that Jenkins said that we don't have to sell anyone (except those with a clause) but I have a feeling that he was expecting one or more of the release clauses to be activated.  Wonder how far the finaces will stretch without a big sale?  I guess wages are down 50% plus Greg, Sturridge, Evans and McClean, Yacod, MacAuley and Gbar (less incoming players)... gotta be £300k+ per week on top of the 50%?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 01, 2018, 01:31:27 PM
Am I right in thinking we can still sell to non-English teams between 9th and 31st August?

I also think we would also be able to loan players with a guarenteed buy in January during this time too?  I guess this works either way too?

So, even after the 9th we could agree to loan Rondon to a PL club, and they pay in January.

I know that Jenkins said that we don't have to sell anyone (except those with a clause) but I have a feeling that he was expecting one or more of the release clauses to be activated.  Wonder how far the finaces will stretch without a big sale?  I guess wages are down 50% plus Greg, Sturridge, Evans and McClean, Yacod, MacAuley and Gbar (less incoming players)... gotta be £300k+ per week on top of the 50%?

PL transfer window is shut after the 9th August and they cannot loan players in.
Loans only work into the EFL not PL after the 9th August until the end of the month.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 01, 2018, 01:47:35 PM
Am I right in thinking we can still sell to non-English teams between 9th and 31st August?
I think we can sell players to foreign clubs up until Aug 31st, but it would put us at a disadvantage as we couldn't bring a permanent replacement in. The grey area for me is loan to buy deals without an opt-out, as they would make a mockery of the window closing early if they're allowed to continue until the end of the month.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 01, 2018, 01:54:20 PM
PL transfer window is shut after the 9th August and they cannot loan players in.
Loans only work into the EFL not PL after the 9th August until the end of the month.

Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 01, 2018, 06:02:35 PM
The way we have set up suggests 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 however it may be. Whilst hrk has done ok in the frIendlies you would think this system would suit Rondon especially as it looks like we have a lot of goals in midfield.

If we manage to get chadli sold we wouldn't need to sell anybody else to have sufficient funds to bring in reinforcements. I would be happier to keep him for now and sell in Jan if we wanted to cash In. Think it's already a hard job intergrating 6 new signings
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on August 01, 2018, 06:51:01 PM
I still  have a hope he'll stay and smash em in in this league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2018, 07:30:10 PM
17 minutes before you posted this, you were saying that he wasn't a striker at all - make your mind up. Plus I'm still waiting for your list of strikers who play for Championship clubs who you consider to be better than Rondon. Not holding my breath mind.
have you finished stamping your feet?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 01, 2018, 08:34:32 PM
Rondon would bully defenders if we play in a similar way to the last couple of years. Going from what I've seen in pre season (not much) we are setting up for having more possession and getting players like Barnes and Morrison (or hopefully a similar player to Mozza) closer to the central striker...linking up and short passes. Whether that's Rondon's game ....hope it is but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 01, 2018, 08:54:09 PM
I've seen plenty of posts talking about the club has an option on Rondon after this season but I have yet to see anything that confirms that. I'm under the impression his contract is up after this upcoming season. If so, wouldn't we be risking losing him on pre-contract in the winter transfer window?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 01, 2018, 09:49:55 PM
I've seen plenty of posts talking about the club has an option on Rondon after this season but I have yet to see anything that confirms that. I'm under the impression his contract is up after this upcoming season. If so, wouldn't we be risking losing him on pre-contract in the winter transfer window?

Or turn it on its head, he starts the season well, we offer him improved terms and either lock him in for a while longer or increase the value of the sale when we ultimately sell him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on August 01, 2018, 11:01:34 PM
Anybody know what the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 01, 2018, 11:03:08 PM
Talk that the clubs disagree over the price, and also that Gayle wants to stay at Newcastle.

But honestly, who knows? It could just be taking a while as some transfers do, or it could be falling apart but I'm sure we'll know soon enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on August 01, 2018, 11:13:46 PM
Anybody know what the hell is going on?
From what I can make out, Newcastle were only ever going to look to add him once Mitrovic had left. Even then, despite Rafa naming him as a top target their board don’t think his release clause offered any value given his age and haven’t shown any inclination to pay it.

They offered us Aarons as a makeweight in a loan swap but we said no and asked about Gayle. They didn’t want to do that but have since signed Muto which frees up Gayle. The problem with him is that he’s on more money there than we will pay and they seemingly can’t convince him to move either.

So until they either pay up or find another way to make it worth our while he’ll be staying. They have thrown in an abysmal performance in their pre season game tonight and Rafa is very unhappy with their board based on his post match quotes, so will be interesting to see if they react and pay up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on August 01, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
have you finished stamping your feet?
My feet made no stamp.............and you're avoiding the question
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on August 01, 2018, 11:15:00 PM
Maybe if Ashley's not buying House of Fraser now, he can afford Rondon?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 01, 2018, 11:16:30 PM
Can see Rafa leaving soon if he doesn’t get what he wants. Seems Mike Ashley is giving him very little money to play with and his comments tonight in their 4-0 loss to Braga aren’t pretty reading
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 01, 2018, 11:17:18 PM
A Venezualen journalist has set the Neecastle United twittersphere alight by suggesting the deal might be completed in the next 24 hours.
 
Reslly hope we are getting a good financial settlement for him, and not just some s**** loan fee. I honestly beleave he is a better player than Gayle, even if Gayle has had 2 decent seasons at championship level. We haven't had a chance to see the real Rondon here as he was hampered by Pulis style of play. Had he been able to play in a more attacking team, he would probably have scored more than the 24 he got in 3 years here (better than Gayle's prem record). 25 goals in 2 seasons at Malaga, and 25 goals in his final 2 seasons at Russia before moving to us suggests he could go double figures for Newcastle next season.

If we are getting Gayle, can he play as a loan striker, or would he require somebody next to him?

this same journalist today tweeted that Rondon already has an agreement with Newcastle and that it's not even an option that he won't play for NUFC. That WBA knows they don't have him anymore. That it's just a matter of the clubs ironing out the details over Gayle in order to announce the transfer.

Keep in mind, I have no idea whether this dude actually has inside info, but he's definitely tweeting like he does.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2018, 11:26:34 PM
Virtually every Newcastle local journo/correspondent doesn't expect this deal to happen, there is no agreement between Newcastle and Albion, and they don't expect Ashley to even give Benitez the Mitrovic money.


Most of their vocal fans on social media want Rafa to walk for his own sake.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 01, 2018, 11:29:27 PM
This deal should just be killed by us now if discussions are still ongoing. Newcastle either don't meet our valuation of the player or they can't afford him.

Our season starts in 3 days as of tomorrow. We need our players fully focused to get off to a good start.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 02, 2018, 12:56:55 AM
surely if Newcastle don t buy him the next in the queue will. with a £16.5m release clause you'd think a player  many value at £30m+ would be snapped up sharpish.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2018, 01:19:05 AM
surely if Newcastle don t buy him the next in the queue will. with a £16.5m release clause you'd think a player  many value at £30m+ would be snapped up sharpish.


Release clause has expired. Think we might actually keep him. Better outcome than any new signing!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 02, 2018, 02:38:35 AM
It is only in the Premier League where mid-table teams are able to throw £16.5m and £18m in wages at a 29 year old striker and think that somehow represents good value. Unless there is another Premier League team waiting in the wings I think Rondon is staying.

The Gayle swap deal was never a runner the only way it might have happened was if Newcastle agreed to buy out his contract so he could have taken a drop in pay. If they did that they might as well just paid the release clause and been done with it.

You know those ads you see in the local papers the say "no time wasters please" that applies to Newcastle United they didn't really want the deal and I understand that but they should have just said no to Benetiz. He hasn't got the player their fans are inebriated off (again) and they have wasted a month not signing anyone else and they are still a striker short.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 02, 2018, 07:01:03 AM
With the expiry of his release clause I wonder what we would want now? 25/30 million?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on August 02, 2018, 07:19:48 AM
With the market how it is, i'm surprised nobody activated Rondon's release clause. On 4 occasions in Spain and Russia he hit double figures in league games, and in his first season here he nearly did the same. You could easily make a case that it was Pulis, strangling the creativity out of the side, which resulted in his scoring record tailing off (in his time at Palace and Stoke, only Ricardo Fuller and Peter Crouch have managed to hit 10 goals under Pulis - since leaving Stoke they have had a goalscorer hit double figures 3 times).

I'm really pleased that it looks like he is staying here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 02, 2018, 07:51:48 AM

Release clause has expired. Think we might actually keep him. Better outcome than any new signing!
totally agree, after reading what Benitez said recently he has no confidence they'll get Rondon. http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/948662936?-11200:789

Still wouldn't surprise me if West Ham come sniffing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2018, 07:53:40 AM
totally agree, after reading what Benitez said recently he has no confidence they'll get Rondon. http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/948662936?-11200:789

Still wouldn't surprise me if West Ham come sniffing
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i agree, we all know the link there
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2018, 08:04:21 AM
With the market how it is, i'm surprised nobody activated Rondon's release clause. On 4 occasions in Spain and Russia he hit double figures in league games, and in his first season here he nearly did the same. You could easily make a case that it was Pulis, strangling the creativity out of the side, which resulted in his scoring record tailing off (in his time at Palace and Stoke, only Ricardo Fuller and Peter Crouch have managed to hit 10 goals under Pulis - since leaving Stoke they have had a goalscorer hit double figures 3 times).

I'm really pleased that it looks like he is staying here.

hate to burst that particular bubble but Kenwynne Jones and Jonathan Walters (twice) scored more than 10 goals in a season while in the premier league and Liam Lawrence, Paul Gallagher and Gifton Noel Williams did it in the Championship.

https://www.stokecityfc.com/goalscoring-records
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on August 02, 2018, 09:12:45 AM
Ashley is a skin flint that's the story
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2018, 09:27:09 AM
Ashley is a skin flint that's the story

That's the thinking from a lot of Newcastle fans on various fans sites, mostly they seem to be saying just pay the fee (although they don't realise that the clause has now expired).

Some fans are even saying they should force Dwight Gayle to join us!

Not a happy bunch up there!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 02, 2018, 09:46:52 AM
I am very glad it has been Newcastle who have been the ones chasing him, with no agreement being subsequently reached. With the expiry of the clause, I am now relatively confident he will remain here past the domestic transfer deadline, I do still feel he will move abroad before the end of the month though sadly.

If we can keep him and Chadli  :o we should p*ss this league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on August 02, 2018, 10:18:08 AM
Will be delighted if he stays, i dont think he is a natural goalscorer (ie - Kevin Phillips) but he will still get goals and he is a big asset for us, be interesting to see what he is like in a team setup to attack rather than defend like we have been most of the last few years.

I have no idea what he is like as a person, ie - if he sulks or if he gets his head down, but Big Dave will see that and make that call, I dont think there will be many better attacks in the league than JRod and Rondon.

Rondon is the one i am surprised there hasnt been more interest in out the release clause crew, Hegazi at £10m no way, Chadli, although he had a good world cup, clubs will be aware of his injuries before it and also that he is injured now and £17m would be too much of a risk.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on August 02, 2018, 10:30:29 AM
He had a few strops and sulks when playing for Pulis. Not shaking his hand when a sub. 1st down the tunnel but since he has gone looks alot happier .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 02, 2018, 10:41:30 AM
I'm also surprised that there hasn't been one or two more clubs sniffing round him at this release clause.

In this day and age 16 million isn't that much, when you consider Mitrovic has just gone for 22million?

I would have thought Cardiff would have had a look, amongst other teams near the bottom.

That being said, if he does stay here, he wont be expected to play the same role as he has had to the past 2 years and he will be able to have a lot more support from our players in and around the box.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on August 02, 2018, 11:10:35 AM
Id love to keep him, think he will do very well inthe championship and playing under a different manager who allows attacks and wants players to get forward
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on August 02, 2018, 11:32:53 AM
Hope he stays but,I think the opposition will be hunting him down knowing he's injury prown,perhaps let him go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 02, 2018, 11:33:58 AM
Hope he stays but,I think the opposition will be hunting him down knowing he's injury prown,perhaps let him go.

wouldn't describe Rondon as injury prone, did you mean Chadli?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on August 02, 2018, 12:07:22 PM
Yes sorry I did mean chadli.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 02, 2018, 12:54:19 PM
Just by-the-by, Newcastle can still sign Rondon for his release clause, because they started negotiations before it expired. However if Gayle isn't coming, and indications are he's not, then they would have to fork over the full £16.5m - which I can't see happening.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on August 02, 2018, 12:58:22 PM
Just by-the-by, Newcastle can still sign Rondon for his release clause, because they started negotiations before it expired. However if Gayle isn't coming, and indications are he's not, then they would have to fork over the full £16.5m - which I can't see happening.
surely if the deal wasn’t agreed then they can’t, surely the offer would have had to be submitted and accepted before it expired other wise the expiry date is useless as any club could have enquirer about him weeks ago and come back on deadline day and decide they now want him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 12:59:17 PM
Just by-the-by, Newcastle can still sign Rondon for his release clause, because they started negotiations before it expired. However if Gayle isn't coming, and indications are he's not, then they would have to fork over the full £16.5m - which I can't see happening.

So, at what stage is it considered that their negotiations are concluded, it must be time limited as, for example, they couldn’t come back in January for him with £16.5m offer if we then valued him at £20 after he scored 20goals for us at that point ( ;D) or could they?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Just by-the-by, Newcastle can still sign Rondon for his release clause, because they started negotiations before it expired. However if Gayle isn't coming, and indications are he's not, then they would have to fork over the full £16.5m - which I can't see happening.


I'm almost certain you are mistaken.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on August 02, 2018, 01:16:57 PM
Just by-the-by, Newcastle can still sign Rondon for his release clause, because they started negotiations before it expired. However if Gayle isn't coming, and indications are he's not, then they would have to fork over the full £16.5m - which I can't see happening.

I don't think that's right. If they submitted £16.5m bid 1 minute before it expired then I'd imagine he would still be able to go for that price but they haven't
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 02, 2018, 01:17:56 PM

I'm almost certain you are mistaken.

So am I.

If it had been a straight purchase & Newcastle had agreed to pay the release clause valuation, they may have had a case.
By Newcastle fudging it, we could argue that the release clause valuation was never agreed & that valuation had now expired.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 02, 2018, 01:18:06 PM

I'm almost certain you are mistaken.

No, because they had a deal agreed by the deadline, it just hasn't gone through. Supposedly due to Gayle not wanting to leave Newcastle.

If they break off talks, then they would need to come back with a brand new offer - they have to keep talks going on the current deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 02, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
No, because they had a deal agreed by the deadline, it just hasn't gone through. Supposedly due to Gayle not wanting to leave Newcastle.

If they break off talks, then they would need to come back with a brand new offer - they have to keep talks going on the current deal.

If the deal was conditional on Gayle leaving Newcastle, then we didn't have a deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 02, 2018, 01:27:01 PM
If the deal was conditional on Gayle leaving Newcastle, then we didn't have a deal.
Agreed its a negotiation until the contracts signed, then it becomes a deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on August 02, 2018, 01:40:20 PM
Another point is Rondon himself.
He must be looking at Newcastle the shambles of a club and it must have crossed his mind to think why would I want to get involved with that lot.
That's just the club,if he fails to score regularly those fans will hound him out.
Also I could see Rafa getting on his bike and who could blame him.
Then Rondon is left by himself in a very lonely place.
Stay with us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 02, 2018, 01:43:10 PM
It's a bit of an odd one because in theory you can't talk to the player without the club's permission and in order for that to happen then I suspect they would of had to have triggered Rondon's release clause, otherwise why would we have agreed to it.

I would be surprised if these were a single contract but rather two separate contracts that would have been signed at the same time. One to sign Rondon from us and then a second for us to sign Gayle from Newcastle. If this is the case then it depends on whether any deal has to be concluded before the release clause expires or whether it just needs to be triggered before the expiry.

Only somebody close to the detail will know the detail around this but all we can do is hope that it's expired and now it's up to the club whether Rondon is lining up for us against Bolton/Forest and not up to whether Newcastle can find the full amount of cash now they aren't receiving £13m for Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 02, 2018, 02:12:42 PM
Just by-the-by, Newcastle can still sign Rondon for his release clause, because they started negotiations before it expired. However if Gayle isn't coming, and indications are he's not, then they would have to fork over the full £16.5m - which I can't see happening.

Nonsense.  They needed to conclude the deal for the buy-out fee prior to the expiry deadline.  They didn’t offer £16.5m cash, as they could only afford to buy by selling Gayle who refused to go. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 02, 2018, 02:19:47 PM
I guess I'm the only one worried about his contract situation, I don't see any reason for Rondon to agree to extend before January unless WBA is beating the rubbish out of the league and almost a certainty to be promoted.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 02, 2018, 04:04:17 PM
I was told somewhere that Newcastle have a transfer policy where they never spend 'big' on players around 30 years old, as it's seen as a potential waste of money/no sell-on value, I think Arsenal used to do this as well at one point.
I'm not a Newcastle expert but I can't think of too many ageing players they've bought in recent times, and may explain why the board won't pay for Rondon, yet the manager, Benitez clearly wants the player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 02, 2018, 04:10:30 PM
I was told somewhere that Newcastle have a transfer policy where they never spend 'big' on players around 30 years old, as it's seen as a potential waste of money/no sell-on value, I think Arsenal used to do this as well at one point.
I'm not a Newcastle expert but I can't think of too many ageing players they've bought in recent times, and may explain why the board won't pay for Rondon, yet the manager, Benitez clearly wants the player.

quite a sensible policy when you look at it to be fair.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 02, 2018, 04:16:21 PM
quite a sensible policy when you look at it to be fair.

Didn't Ashley say they would be a selling club ??
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on August 02, 2018, 04:39:08 PM
As a matter of interest, had Rondon been playing for, say, Swansea for the last three years, and achieved what he’s achieved for us, how would folk feel about Albion spending £16.5m on him given his record?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 02, 2018, 04:47:28 PM
As a matter of interest, had Rondon been playing for, say, Swansea for the last three years, and achieved what he’s achieved for us, how would folk feel about Albion spending £16.5m on him given his record?

Given the enthusiasm which Wilfried Bony generated on here, very happy I would suggest.
I know Bonys goals / game ratio is better but he was much more highly valued @£28m, ie, half the price and more than half the goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie-Dave on August 02, 2018, 04:59:44 PM
Newcastle United have signed Japan striker Yoshinori Muto from Mainz on a four-year deal for a reported fee of £9.5m.
Guess this could terminate their interest in Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 05:12:28 PM
Newcastle United have signed Japan striker Yoshinori Muto from Mainz on a four-year deal for a reported fee of £9.5m.
Guess this could terminate their interest in Rondon.

I think they wanted Muto and Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 02, 2018, 05:15:07 PM
I think they wanted Muto and Rondon

they wanted both but cannot afford both, so unlucky.  I wanted Range Rover but I cannot afford one on my wage so I live without one !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 02, 2018, 05:19:42 PM
the Muto deal had been done for over a week now, I believe work permit issues were delaying the announcement. Muto coming in was partly why Newcastle are willing to swap Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 05:21:16 PM
they wanted both but cannot afford both, so unlucky.  I wanted Range Rover but I cannot afford one on my wage so I live without one !

Then they’ll have to get an owner that will back his manager and you’ll need to get a better paid job  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 02, 2018, 05:27:00 PM
Then they’ll have to get an owner that will back his manager and you’ll need to get a better paid job  :D

Too true on both accounts !  :D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 02, 2018, 05:28:30 PM
As a matter of interest, had Rondon been playing for, say, Swansea for the last three years, and achieved what he’s achieved for us, how would folk feel about Albion spending £16.5m on him given his record?

Bony has scored 10 goals in over 60 appearances in the last 3 seasons, Rondon is far more consistent.(24 goals in 108 appearances in the last three years.)
If we can, we must keep him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 02, 2018, 05:34:51 PM
https://readwestbrom.com/2018/08/02/west-brom-could-demand-25m-for-rondon/

25million ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 02, 2018, 05:48:28 PM
https://readwestbrom.com/2018/08/02/west-brom-could-demand-25m-for-rondon/

25million ???

Why not?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on August 02, 2018, 05:52:57 PM
we might have played a blinder with newcastle - pushing them into thinking we were interested in a swap deal, causing them to run out of time on the cut price cash deal. nice work if that was the plan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 02, 2018, 05:56:19 PM
we might have played a blinder with newcastle - pushing them into thinking we were interested in a swap deal, causing them to run out of time on the cut price cash deal. nice work if that was the plan

If we did do that it's not only hilarious but like you say it's playing a blinder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 02, 2018, 05:59:29 PM
we might have played a blinder with newcastle - pushing them into thinking we were interested in a swap deal, causing them to run out of time on the cut price cash deal. nice work if that was the plan
If that is what's happened, how much of a blinder it is rather depends on how Rondon feels about it doesn't it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 06:01:13 PM
I want Rondon to stay and sign a new contract.

I think all this £25m for Rondon hasn’t come from the club, it’s paper talk and I’ll stand corrected if I’m wrong.

We have an asset which is depreciating with each month that passes and in January, he will be able to discuss and sign a pre-contract with however wants him and we get nothing. So, for me, sell him or get him to sign a new contract or we will loose out, yet again through our own intransigence
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on August 02, 2018, 06:08:56 PM
i want him to stay too.
now we get a better chance of that happening
or we get enough cash to properly replace him

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on August 02, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
I want Rondon to stay and sign a new contract.

I think all this £25m for Rondon hasn’t come from the club, it’s paper talk and I’ll stand corrected if I’m wrong.

We have an asset which is depreciating with each month that passes and in January, he will be able to discuss and sign a pre-contract with however wants him and we get nothing. So, for me, sell him or get him to sign a new contract or we will loose out, yet again through our own intransigence
What intransigence? We haven't received an offer for him (not counting the silly loan request), let alone one that meets his sell on clause
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kie the baggie on August 02, 2018, 06:12:44 PM
Rondon would absolutely destroy the champ with at least 20 goals, especially now if we venture over the half way line, the reason he missed chances is that he only got 1 every few games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 06:14:29 PM
i want him to stay too.
now we get a better chance of that happening
or we get enough cash to properly replace him
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No, he can just sit tight until January and negotiate his own contract with another club and leave next June and we get diddly-squat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on August 02, 2018, 06:15:29 PM
I’m not even worried about rondons contract running out, we could sell him now for £20m and not get promoted. On the other hand we could keep him, he scores the goals that gets us promoted, he could leave on a free but have got £130m prem money.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 02, 2018, 06:16:26 PM
As a matter of interest, had Rondon been playing for, say, Swansea for the last three years, and achieved what he’s achieved for us, how would folk feel about Albion spending £16.5m on him given his record?
I'd be less inclined to want him. Not scoring in a Swansea side would be more of a concern than not scoring in a Pulis team for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 06:22:01 PM
What intransigence? We haven't received an offer for him (not counting the silly loan request), let alone one that meets his sell on clause

The sentence you refer to used  “yet again notice the “yet again”, which means we’ve done it before and was in reference to our intransigence with the Evans fiasco when we could have sold for 5 or 6 times the money we got for him in the end because of our intransigent
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on August 02, 2018, 06:34:02 PM
The sentence you refer to used  “yet again notice the “yet again”, which means we’ve done it before and was in reference to our intransigence with the Evans fiasco when we could have sold for 5 or 6 times the money we got for him in the end because of our intransigent

6 months after we turned down an 18 million offer for Evans Leicester spent 12 million on Liverpool's long term reserve goalkeeper, Palace spent 24 million on a striker for 4 goals in 3 years and the likes of Brighton, Huddersfield, Fulham and Wolves have thrown offers around of 20 million for numerous players.

We just wanted market value for a centee back with one of the best records in the league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on August 02, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
6 months after we turned down an 18 million offer for Evans Leicester spent 12 million on Liverpool's long term reserve goalkeeper, Palace spent 24 million on a striker for 4 goals in 3 years and the likes of Brighton, Huddersfield, Fulham and Wolves have thrown offers around of 20 million for numerous players.

We just wanted market value for a centee back with one of the best records in the league.
don’t be silly, we are little West Brom and should bow down to the rest of the football community and accept the offers below our asking price.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on August 02, 2018, 06:41:42 PM
The sentence you refer to used  “yet again notice the “yet again”, which means we’ve done it before and was in reference to our intransigence with the Evans fiasco when we could have sold for 5 or 6 times the money we got for him in the end because of our intransigent
Yes, I noticed the yet again, and many thanks for explaining what it means. It's a fair enough point with regards to Evans (though you never mentioned him in your original post), and you might have mentioned one or two others of similar ilk. But the thread is about Rondon and you were talking about Rondon. I will reiterate the point I made. We can't be accused of intransigence when we haven't received an offer to be intransigent about.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on August 02, 2018, 07:10:22 PM
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No, he can just sit tight until January and negotiate his own contract with another club and leave next June and we get diddly-squat.
And if he plays well enough "in the shop window" to help us get back up, that'll be fine by me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 07:17:58 PM
And if he plays well enough "in the shop window" to help us get back up, that'll be fine by me.

And if he doesn’t?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Sted1990 on August 02, 2018, 07:31:35 PM
I’m sure we have the option of a 1 year extension...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 07:33:37 PM
I’m sure we have the option of a 1 year extension...

Can you provide the source for that?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on August 02, 2018, 11:42:04 PM
And if he doesn’t?
At the minute we don't have a choice as we haven't received an offer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 03, 2018, 12:46:11 PM
I’m sure we have the option of a 1 year extension...

I've read that too - it was in an article about Rondon maybe going to Newcastle on loan a few days ago. I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 04, 2018, 08:34:24 AM
Lee Ryder of the Newcastle Chronicle has tweeted suggesting that Newcastle and Albion have resumed talks over a deal for Rondon and Gayle is still part of the conversation.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 04, 2018, 08:40:49 AM
Will be interesting to see if he’s rested today
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 04, 2018, 08:47:29 AM
We need either Gayle or rondon, now the release clause has expired we can make sure that happens
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 04, 2018, 08:50:07 AM
We need either Gayle or rondon, now the release clause has expired we can make sure that happens

Wasn’t there news that Gayle didn’t want to come to us or wanted a ridiculously high wage? Not sure the release clause expiring is going to change that, just means we can hold on for more money for Rondon, which if Newcaslte couldn’t meet the release clause, again doesn’t really hold much hope for them paying even more for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on August 04, 2018, 09:38:08 AM
Isn’t Gayle on about 50k a week? Problem we have is everyone is on flex down so players probably on 30k a week max. Can’t see Gayle wanting to come down to that and can’t reallt bring a chap in on 50k when the rest have had a pay cut, doubt it would be too good in the dressing room
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 04, 2018, 09:46:57 AM
Gayle seems to have made it clear that he doesn't want to leave Newcastle so I don't understand why (if true) we are still after him. I much prefer Robson anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 04, 2018, 11:14:02 AM
Isn’t Gayle on about 50k a week? Problem we have is everyone is on flex down so players probably on 30k a week max. Can’t see Gayle wanting to come down to that and can’t reallt bring a chap in on 50k when the rest have had a pay cut, doubt it would be too good in the dressing room


Unless Newcastle have agreed to top up Gayle's wages.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 04, 2018, 11:45:00 AM
Unless Newcastle have agreed to top up Gayle's wages.
That wouldn't make it any more acceptable in our dressing room.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 04, 2018, 11:48:10 AM
Gayle is reliably reported to be on £40k a week. This deal only happens now if Albion really want Gayle because the clause has expired the £16.5m is off the table and we are now within our rights to just say no. The only way that it happens in my view is if Newcastle sweeten the pot by buying out the difference between what we will pay Gayle and his current contract about £1.5m over 3 years. That works because he wouldn't be earning more than anyone else currently is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 04, 2018, 11:48:34 AM
Gayle seems to have made it clear that he doesn't want to leave Newcastle so I don't understand why (if true) we are still after him. I much prefer Robson anyway.

Ben foster made it clear he was staying
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 04, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
Ben foster made it clear he was staying

Even though it was only words and everyone at the club knew he wanted out as soon as we went down
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 04, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
Exactly oldbury, that's what I meant. I'm sure Gayle does not want another season on the bench
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 04, 2018, 12:12:06 PM
Even though it was only words and everyone at the club knew he wanted out as soon as we went down

There were many disappointments last season, but I have to say, for me, Ben’s “about turn” took some swallowing as I was totally taken in by his insincere rhetoric. I should have known better, I’m old enough to
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on August 04, 2018, 12:56:35 PM
If Newcastle are keen to pay gayles wages, why not just stump up the additional cash for Rondon when his release clause was active?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on August 04, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
These Geordie's are kidders,why continue to disrupt our start to the new season?
They can't afford him,so see you later.
Stop the disruption.
Play him today if he has a blinder he'll cost you £25 million,of which most of it you havnt got.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 04, 2018, 02:04:16 PM
Rondon not in squad, neither is gayle for Newcastle!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 04, 2018, 03:51:37 PM
“Newcastle close to signing West Brom striker”

Could be done over the weekend

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45071073
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on August 04, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
FiveLive just said that it looks like Rondon and Gayle will switch on loan.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on August 04, 2018, 06:09:34 PM
FiveLive just said that it looks like Rondon and Gayle will switch on loan.

We could have had Messi upfront today and he’d have struggled, good news that Gayle’s coming back on loan Robson Kanu needs to be dropped to the u23 team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 04, 2018, 06:11:21 PM
He must be signing a new one year deal

Surely
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on August 04, 2018, 06:14:07 PM
He must be signing a new one year deal

Surely

I really, really hope so or he's off for diddly squat next year!  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 04, 2018, 06:33:29 PM
Sky are reporting that Rondon and Gayle will be swapped for one season and then return to their clubs, with Newcastle paying a £2m loan fee. I'm puzzled as to what exactly the point of that is? Given that Gayle was reportedly reluctant to come to us, how up for it is he likely to be with this kind of deal and dropping down a division?

Link: Sky (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11461188/newcastle-close-to-salomon-rondon-loan-deal-with-dwight-gayle-going-to-west-brom)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on August 04, 2018, 06:34:08 PM
We could have had Messi upfront today and he’d have struggled, good news that Gayle’s coming back on loan Robson Kanu needs to be dropped to the u23 team.

What have you got against the U23’s.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 04, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
Sky are reporting that Rondon and Gayle will be swapped for one season and then return to their clubs, with Newcastle paying a £2m loan fee. I'm puzzled as to what exactly the point of that is? Given that Gayle was reportedly reluctant to come to us, how up for it is he likely to be with this kind of deal and dropping down a division?

Link: Sky (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11461188/newcastle-close-to-salomon-rondon-loan-deal-with-dwight-gayle-going-to-west-brom)

I agree with your sentiments, it doesn’t make sense on the surface of it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 04, 2018, 06:51:21 PM
Matt Wilson also reported that the deal is close.

Loan with option buy for both sides.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on August 04, 2018, 06:53:52 PM
Deal loaded in toons favour for me,can see us ending up with neither next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 04, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
Matt Wilson also reported that the deal is close. Loan with option buy for both sides.
That makes a bit more sense at least, as long as Gayle is up for it though. We'd still need another striker on top of that, even if Rodriguez stays.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 04, 2018, 07:10:08 PM
Sky are reporting that Rondon and Gayle will be swapped for one season and then return to their clubs, with Newcastle paying a £2m loan fee. I'm puzzled as to what exactly the point of that is? Given that Gayle was reportedly reluctant to come to us, how up for it is he likely to be with this kind of deal and dropping down a division?

Link: Sky (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11461188/newcastle-close-to-salomon-rondon-loan-deal-with-dwight-gayle-going-to-west-brom)

I'm going to wait for the details but it doesn't make sense to loan out a player with this kind of sale value in the last year of his contract. You're better off keeping Rondon. You're not obligated to deal him anymore now that he's clause has expired.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on August 04, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
Awful awful deal for us, just who is now controlling transfers at WBA. If it’s a loan 2 million is just an insult.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on August 04, 2018, 09:49:19 PM
I agree with some of the comments about the deal but Rondon obviously wants to leave so we need to do a deal. I look at Chadli and Dawson and think if they want out let’s get some in who want to play for the Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on August 04, 2018, 09:53:05 PM
I agree with some of the comments about the deal but Rondon obviously wants to leave so we need to do a deal. I look at Chadli and Dawson and think if they want out let’s get some in who want to play for the Albion.

Sorry but no need to give him away if he wants out then get a fair price if not he stays. (Must be better than Robson Kanu) this deal sounds really really bad
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on August 04, 2018, 10:01:49 PM
Sorry but no need to give him away if he wants out then get a fair price if not he stays. (Must be better than Robson Kanu) this deal sounds really really bad
10 times better than robson-Kanu but a player who doesn’t want to play is also no good to us...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on August 04, 2018, 10:36:19 PM
10 times better than robson-Kanu but a player who doesn’t want to play is also no good to us...
Who says he don't want to play? I must have missed him throwing his toys out the pram
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on August 04, 2018, 11:00:22 PM
I only want players in the team who want to play. I don't know if Rondon wants to stay or not, but I seriously doubt it. Same for Dawson.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on August 04, 2018, 11:25:51 PM
Who says he don't want to play? I must have missed him throwing his toys out the pram
He didn’t play today. He is West Brom player still the last time I checked. That and the Newcastle journalist writing “Rondon has said he wants to play for Newcastle”
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 04, 2018, 11:50:48 PM
He didn’t play today. He is West Brom player still the last time I checked. That and the Newcastle journalist writing “Rondon has said he wants to play for Newcastle”

He didn't play today because the club are protecting a asset so the deal doesn't collapse not because rondon has refused to play
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 05, 2018, 12:30:38 AM
He didn't play today because the club are protecting a asset so the deal doesn't collapse not because rondon has refused to play

As asset that could have won us the game !  Meanwhile a player of lower league ability leads the line in front of a full house.

More about the money then if protecting the asset trumps what happens on the pitch ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 05, 2018, 02:03:03 AM
As asset that could have won us the game !  Meanwhile a player of lower league ability leads the line in front of a full house.

More about the money then if protecting the asset trumps what happens on the pitch ?

Can't recall saying I agree with it. If it were me I'd of fielded him today
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 05, 2018, 05:13:29 AM
It's totally normal to rest a player if a deal is getting worked out. You don't risk an injury throwing the deal off. A reporter saying Rondon wants to play in Newcastle may refer to a footballer wanting to play in the top league, not that he dislikes being at West Brom.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 05, 2018, 07:12:58 AM
Sky are reporting that Rondon and Gayle will be swapped for one season and then return to their clubs, with Newcastle paying a £2m loan fee. I'm puzzled as to what exactly the point of that is? Given that Gayle was reportedly reluctant to come to us, how up for it is he likely to be with this kind of deal and dropping down a division?

Link: Sky (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11461188/newcastle-close-to-salomon-rondon-loan-deal-with-dwight-gayle-going-to-west-brom)

I agree. The main point of this proposed deal that concerns me, if it is to be believed, is that Gayle is reluctant to move so will we end up with an unmotivated player?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2018, 07:37:17 AM
I really don't like this deal. If anything yesterday proved that we needed a physical focal point to the attack and Gayle isn't that. Equally Gayle plus Rodriguez in a 4-4-2 isn't going to be anymore effective than Rodriguez and Robson-Kanu. 

For it to work at all we have to have an option on Rondon for an additional year because what are we selling next summer otherwise?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 05, 2018, 07:57:01 AM
There's an interesting quote from Darren yesterday, which reminded me of another former manager: "Salomon Rondon wasn’t injured, nor was Dawson. Both of them need to catch up on training after missing pre-season. They are contracted to West Bromwich Albion, if they are to leave you’ll be the first to know".

Dawson was busy leaving a trail of toys behind his pram, so he missed a fair bit of pre-season, but I don't recall Rondon missing anything of note, so I'm puzzled by what Darren said in that regard.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 05, 2018, 07:59:52 AM
Sky are reporting that Rondon and Gayle will be swapped for one season and then return to their clubs, with Newcastle paying a £2m loan fee. I'm puzzled as to what exactly the point of that is? Given that Gayle was reportedly reluctant to come to us, how up for it is he likely to be with this kind of deal and dropping down a division?

Link: Sky (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/11461188/newcastle-close-to-salomon-rondon-loan-deal-with-dwight-gayle-going-to-west-brom)

Newcastle are as bad as us in terms of wanting something without paying for it!

I’m assuming we must have a year option and it is somehow a way to lower the wage bill a bit. We would still need a target man though to avoid the need to have to call on HRK in the future.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on August 05, 2018, 08:09:50 AM
I actually don't mind Newcastle,  how ever they think they are a massive club blah blah blah blah yet they can't afford a piddling £16 million ? Maybe they ain't as big as they think they are .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on August 05, 2018, 08:54:20 AM
Sod a swap deal with an incoming player who doesn't really want to come to us. Just name a price for Rondon and say take it or leave it. Spend the incoming riches on someone who actually wants to come here and do their best. If no one buys Rondon, he has to play and earn himself a move in January or the summer. Simple. Sorted. Done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 05, 2018, 08:58:15 AM
How does the proposed option to buy deal work ? Widely reported Gayle is reluctant to come so unlikely to sign permanently whoever dreamt this one up needs to explain themselves after al! Newcastle have had all summer to match the release clause now its expired they seem to be getting a better deal which defeats the object. Desperate for a director of football that knows what he is doing rather than a bunch of bean counters !!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2018, 09:18:29 AM
A couple of points on Gayle's reluctance to leave I suspect that is largely to do with finance and making sure Newcastle knew that he had to be taken care of also if he ended up still at Newcastle at the end of the window playing to the Newcastle gallery was a smart move.

At the end of the day his manager is not playing him regularly at best he will be 3rd choice striker next season and his manager is happy to trade him for Rondon. He can either embrace the reality of the situation and reeboots his career or he can sulk. To be fair to most footballers they would rather be playing than not.

Ultimately I don't blame Newcastle's reluctance to stump up the release clause they have a policy of buying up and coming players with a decent chance of being able to sell them on whether they succeed  or don't. This works for them to a point and Rondon flies in the face of that policy. All of which is fine but we didn't have to cooperate on this deal which I think on balance is not a good one for us. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 05, 2018, 09:20:48 AM
No deal is better than a bad deal
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on August 05, 2018, 09:25:04 AM
Looking at the performance yesterday and the last 18 months or so I actually think we need a Gayle type player more than a Rondon type player - though swapping the two would still leave us light up front in my view.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2018, 09:45:17 AM
Looking at the performance yesterday and the last 18 months or so I actually think we need a Gayle type player more than a Rondon type player - though swapping the two would still leave us light up front in my view.

It rather depends if Moore goes with 4-4-2 we are possibly 2 short but if he goes with one up top then 3 is probably okay the 4th striker is really just a paid spectator.  Personally I hope he drops the 4-4-2.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on August 05, 2018, 10:09:09 AM
Looking at the performance yesterday and the last 18 months or so I actually think we need a Gayle type player more than a Rondon type player - though swapping the two would still leave us light up front in my view.
All the speed in our side is down the wings - this is the only way we will open teams up most of the time. Wingers beating their man, racing down the wing, putting in a cross. The big man or men waiting in the middle nod the ball into the net. The problem as I see it is that we won't have a big man waiting in the middle. We'll have an unmotivated 5 feet 9 inches man
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 05, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
There's an interesting quote from Darren yesterday, which reminded me of another former manager: "Salomon Rondon wasn’t injured, nor was Dawson. Both of them need to catch up on training after missing pre-season. They are contracted to West Bromwich Albion, if they are to leave you’ll be the first to know".

Dawson was busy leaving a trail of toys behind his pram, so he missed a fair bit of pre-season, but I don't recall Rondon missing anything of note, so I'm puzzled by what Darren said in that regard.

Especially as he said on Sky on Friday both would be involved in the 18 yesterday
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 05, 2018, 12:08:36 PM
Dwight Gayle is exactly what we need. If teams are going to sit back against us then we dont need a target man as moving it through the midfield should be easy. We need quick players with good movement who can find space in the box, and can finish.

Thought Rodriguez was that but obviously not.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on August 05, 2018, 12:25:06 PM
Dwight Gayle is exactly what we need. If teams are going to sit back against us then we dont need a target man as moving it through the midfield should be easy. We need quick players with good movement who can find space in the box, and can finish.

Thought Rodriguez was that but obviously not.
Yep, that's the other way of breaking down teams if you have a midfield with pace and creativity. Problem is, we don't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 05, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
This is from today's Sun.

Unless I've missed it, it doesn't say anything about a loan deal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6943547/newcastle-salomon-rondon-rafa-benitez-danny-ings/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6943547/newcastle-salomon-rondon-rafa-benitez-danny-ings/)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on August 05, 2018, 01:58:56 PM
Deal doesn't make sense. The local press have steadfastly ignored questions about Rondon being in the final year of his contract, suggesting they just don't know and the club are not saying much.

If he is in the final year of his contract, it would be an awful deal, but surely even we, with hiw terrible we have been run these past couple of years, wouldn't agree to such a deal.

I'm sure more details will come out oncr everything is sorted.

A Gayle swap for Rondon is a s*** deal, but we are becoming known for that nowadays so no surprise.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on August 05, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
Please not Gayle, we really don’t need another billy big boots with a bad attitude.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2018, 02:52:11 PM
Please not Gayle, we really don’t need another billy big boots with a bad attitude.

... who scored 30 goals last time he played in the Championship.  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 05, 2018, 03:53:52 PM
I'm just not convinced this deal is still on at all. All the details around it seem so vague. It's questionable whether there is any benefit to the club and senior management aren't going to enter into an arrangement which doesn't favour West Bromwich Albion FC.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 05, 2018, 04:06:07 PM
... who scored 30 goals last time he played in the Championship.  ::)

you're over egging it a tad mate he scored 23. I still hope he comes though (if his attitude is right).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2018, 05:14:39 PM
you're over egging it a tad mate he scored 23. I still hope he comes though (if his attitude is right).

Yeah, fair. I didn’t actually look at his stats just remember him scoring a load. Either way, not the kind of player we should be turning our nose up at as ‘Westie’ suggests.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggy74 on August 05, 2018, 06:11:37 PM
Deal doesn't make sense. The local press have steadfastly ignored questions about Rondon being in the final year of his contract, suggesting they just don't know and the club are not saying much.

If he is in the final year of his contract, it would be an awful deal, but surely even we, with hiw terrible we have been run these past couple of years, wouldn't agree to such a deal.

I'm sure more details will come out oncr everything is sorted.

A Gayle swap for Rondon is a s*** deal, but we are becoming known for that nowadays so no surprise.


We have a years option in the clubs favour on Rondon, so he won’t be out of contract
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 05, 2018, 06:17:32 PM
Presumably we are paying 2-3 million loan fee for Gayle which would make a 4-5m for Rondon reasonable. Hence 2 million in our favour. If Gayle scores 20+ goals we will be close to the top 6.

Rondon would lose 5m + of his valuation off his contract in 12months time, so therefore we do not lose a huge amount overall?

So are we better to swap to get a proven goalscorer in the championship plus cash? I will be honest, having seen some of Rondon's misses I am not confident he would score 20 Inthe championship... Does he need. a fresh start too?

However, the big question is how much does Gayle fancy it?



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 05, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
Please not Gayle, we really don’t need another billy big boots with a bad attitude.

Hasn't gone on strike...I've never seen Gayle have bad press tbh

Newcastle fans like him..palace fans like him ..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 05, 2018, 06:33:14 PM
Gayle set to meet Moore tomorrow. Staying at the belfry in Tamworth apparently today
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2018, 06:45:49 PM
Lee Ryder, Newcastle Jurno Tweeted


“Rondon is understood to be on Tyneside to complete his move to #nufc - not done yet though.”
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 05, 2018, 06:55:22 PM
Once this goes through we are still short of a 3rd choice striker to push HRK to 4th choice, a right back and an attacking midfielder/Chadli.

You need to win about half of your games in this league to get the opportunity to be promoted and I think if we get the above then we should be able to achieve that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on August 05, 2018, 07:20:28 PM
Gayle set to meet Moore tomorrow. Staying at the belfry in Tamworth apparently today
Even if Gayle brings his heart with him we still need a physical presence of a striker as well as we won't have one when rondon departs
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tucka9 on August 05, 2018, 07:36:37 PM
Even if Gayle brings his heart with him we still need a physical presence of a striker as well as we won't have one when rondon departs
Totally agree, in this league you need a big powerful target man for when it’s not pretty and you need to play it that way, just like Bolton yesterday
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kie the baggie on August 05, 2018, 07:37:22 PM
Just seen gayle at belfry
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 05, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
Just seen gayle at belfry

Everyone seems to be saying this on Twitter. Apparently its a hotel the club use quite often for new players before they sign.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 05, 2018, 07:42:24 PM
A picture circulating on Twitter of Rondon posing for pictures with a Newcaslte fan. Sounds like this is very close to completion especially with both players in the area to sort out a deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
Lee Ryder Tweeted

“Rondon has agreed terms with #nufc and is ready to sign. Loan swap is in place subject to Gayle agreeing terms. Meaning Gayle could return in future. Loan fees will also be involved if deal rubber stamped. More to follow. #wba”
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2018, 09:21:53 PM
Just waiting for the picture of Gayle holding an Albion shirt like when Lennon moved to Everton..  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on August 05, 2018, 10:18:45 PM
I don't know why but Gayle reminds me of Earnshore deja vu or am I going mad with this loan/ transfer or whatever its called today.
Is this what we want because if it is that's what we'll get.
Tired now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on August 05, 2018, 10:47:22 PM
Talking about Gayle we meet his dad last season in the fanzone was a top bloke just down to earth fella who traveled up to watch his son play but was on the bench  . So lets hope he is the same as his old man .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 05, 2018, 11:16:05 PM
Enjoy. Seems to like arriving late at the back post. Some absolute howlers from the goal keepers in there but he was there to pounce.

Is it just me or does he score a lot of those goals away from home where he has a bit more space to get in behind.

https://youtu.be/4SaFWPqVSOo
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on August 06, 2018, 01:26:53 PM
A goal scorer at last! It’s only taken three years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on August 06, 2018, 05:13:42 PM
Don't hold your breath

Trouble at Mill at NUFC

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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 06:25:08 PM
Thanks for all your unstinting effort and good grace during your time with us, Saloman. I hope you do well at Newcastle. It'll be interesting to see how it goes for you up there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 06, 2018, 06:42:24 PM
Loan move confirmed, thread closed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 17, 2018, 07:12:18 PM
“Salomon Rondon makes Newcastle United statement - and West Brom won't like it”

Silly boy, if true

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/salomon-rondon-makes-newcastle-united-15044266.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 17, 2018, 07:15:10 PM
What else do you expect him to say when being interviewed by some journalists up there. He would soon change his mind if they got relegated as well.

I don't get too worried by what players say. Long as I can enjoy going up the Albion and watch them give 100 percent on the pitch that's what matters to me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 17, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
“Salomon Rondon makes Newcastle United statement - and West Brom won't like it”

Silly boy, if true

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/salomon-rondon-makes-newcastle-united-15044266.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Not really silly to be honest. He’s trying to make Newcastle fans like him and the end of the story you see he was still respectful to us. Just sounds like he wants to be in the Prem really. Also he’s not really lying is he? Newcastle are a bigger club than us....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on August 17, 2018, 08:44:37 PM
I've no problem at all with what he said.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Andio on August 17, 2018, 09:04:40 PM
I've no problem at all with what he said.

Same here, still respect him a lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 17, 2018, 09:09:12 PM
He won't be coming back and I am glad. At least we get the dosh now


Newcastle have no competition as far as local supporters so they will always get bigger crowds. Rondon will freeze his nuts up there in Jan/ Feb
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 17, 2018, 09:12:07 PM
Gave up listening and believing anything players said after Foster.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 17, 2018, 09:27:47 PM
Gave up listening and believing anything players said after Foster.

Was Paul Robinson with me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 17, 2018, 09:32:10 PM
dude spent 3 years here, about 2 and a half with Pulis and the majority of the rest with Pardew. The club STILL has serious questions about their midfield. Y'all would want to go elsewhere too if you were a striker, let's be honest.

That aside he didn't really say anything that we should take issue with. The most notable thing he said, to me, was how players wanted to leave after just the first month last season - and yet it still took a couple more months to get rid of Pulis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 17, 2018, 09:50:11 PM
We're still yet to see this bloke play with an attack minded manager with footballing tactics and some decent ball players behind him. If we get promoted and address Cnut might be like seeing a new Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on August 18, 2018, 12:01:51 AM
He was hardly going to say “yeah I’m not fussed about being here, can’t wait to go back to WBA next season” was he? Imagine if Gayle had come out with it? We all know Gayle took persuading to come yet in his interview it’s Ali g the line of happy to be here
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 17GD on August 18, 2018, 12:02:31 AM
May be reading too much into this, but his picture is no longer on the main website. Other loanees have "out on loan" by their name. Think a deal could already be in place?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on August 18, 2018, 10:47:29 AM
Get as much as we can for him and move on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sammyg on August 20, 2018, 05:57:04 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/baggies-loanees-in-weekend-action/

Not mentioned in the loan update for players but Nyom has been, weird...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on August 20, 2018, 06:10:51 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/baggies-loanees-in-weekend-action/

Not mentioned in the loan update for players but Nyom has been, weird...

Probably because he just sat on the bench ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 29, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
On the bench tonight for Newcastle, I hope for him he comes on and opens his account
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 29, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
Rondon scores equaliser but Forest retake the lead all late on
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 29, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
FT Forest 3-1 Newcastle
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Downunder Stripes on August 29, 2018, 09:45:39 PM
Hard to believe, both Rondon and Berahino score in the last two days !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 29, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
Rondon scores equaliser but Forest retake the lead all late on

More millions on his price tag !   Can't lose  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 29, 2018, 09:47:50 PM
Hard to believe, both Rondon and Berahino score in the last two days !

And don’t forget McLean scoured as well a few days ago
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 29, 2018, 10:54:15 PM
And don’t forget McLean scoured as well a few days ago

Scraping the barrel?  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 30, 2018, 10:28:35 AM
Scraping the barrel?  ;)

Obviously not a Black Country bloke  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 30, 2018, 10:35:31 AM
Thought Rondon took his goal well last night, quite a sharp angle to score from. Newcastle's comedy defending was ultimately their downfall though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2018, 07:04:58 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens with him at the end of the season.
Unless he has a storming second half of the season the Toon will not keep him by all accounts.
His value will be less than it was at the start of his loan period, so do we sell for what we can get or have him back in the playing squad?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 01, 2018, 09:08:11 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens with him at the end of the season.
Unless he has a storming second half of the season the Toon will not keep him by all accounts.
His value will be less than it was at the start of his loan period, so do we sell for what we can get or have him back in the playing squad?

Regardless of what league we're in I think we have to sell. I can't see Newcastle(or any Prem team) offering anything remotely tantalising so hopefully a European club will offer silly money and we can at least recoup what we paid out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 01, 2018, 11:09:22 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens with him at the end of the season.
Unless he has a storming second half of the season the Toon will not keep him by all accounts.
His value will be less than it was at the start of his loan period, so do we sell for what we can get or have him back in the playing squad?

If we are still in the championship I am guessing our only options will be to sell him abroad or hope a promoted club fancies him.

If we go up, I imagine we will keep him (cant see us keeping HRK any longer and Gayle would be going back so cant see us selling Rondon also leaving us with just Rodriguez).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 01, 2018, 12:38:54 PM
If we are still in the championship I am guessing our only options will be to sell him abroad or hope a promoted club fancies him.

If we go up, I imagine we will keep him (cant see us keeping HRK any longer and Gayle would be going back so cant see us selling Rondon also leaving us with just Rodriguez).

Robson-Kanu will still have another year on his contract, and there's no team out there who will be willing to buy him out and pay him the same wages.

We'll probably offer him a new one anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 01, 2018, 02:12:53 PM
Can picture it now, its the year 2025 and HRK is close to celebrating his 10years service at WBA and triggers his Testimonial.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on November 02, 2018, 08:13:39 AM
Can picture it now, its the year 2025 and HRK is close to celebrating his 10years service at WBA and triggers his Testimonial.
2026, HRK uses his cryptocurrency millions to purchase WBAFC and announced himself as footballs first owner / coach / player in perpetuity —- please make it stop ✋
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan87uk on November 02, 2018, 08:36:15 AM
2026, HRK uses his cryptocurrency millions to purchase WBAFC and announced himself as footballs first owner / coach / player in perpetuity —- please make it stop ✋

This made me crease probably more than it should have  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 10, 2018, 03:44:47 PM
Stick a cross in and he heads it in, who knew ??  :o

well we did after his hat-trick against Swansea and yet we hardly did it again  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 10, 2018, 03:45:39 PM
Stick a cross in and he heads it in, who knew ??  :o

well we did after his hat-trick against Swansea and yet we hardly did it again  ::)

Play to the blokes strengths? Nah, let’s spend all our time deriding him instead.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on November 10, 2018, 07:26:38 PM
Play to the blokes strengths? Nah, let’s spend all our time deriding him instead.

If he's scored a few of the easy chances he had we might have stayed up. Derided for being useless. Good luck to him at Newcastle. If he gets some goals we'll find it easier to sell him in the summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 11, 2018, 09:51:57 PM
Play to the blokes strengths? Nah, let’s spend all our time deriding him instead.

The saying " feed the horse & he will score" in regards to Jeff Horsfield can be said about a lot of no 9s that includes Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 11, 2018, 10:10:13 PM
Hope he does well so that Newcastle keep him and we keep Gayle.
I know which one I would sooner have.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 11, 2018, 10:20:55 PM
Hope he does well so that Newcastle keep him and we keep Gayle.
I know which one I would sooner have.

Well we have a habbit of holding on to players for too long so we need him to do well or else we will get peanuts for him.
Gayle we should be in for regardless of league we find ourselves in and even if we don't sell Rondon.

Ironically how we played yesterday would suit Rondon as the focal point with pacey players off him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on November 12, 2018, 08:23:40 AM
Surprised it has taken him this long to get going. Newcastle fans and mesia lauding his performance, but Benitez just hasn't trusted him. Hoping he goes on a bitnof a run now. 3 goals so fsr this season in mid November isn't enough for us to recouo our outlay on him. Need him to hit a purple patch now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 12, 2018, 09:13:56 AM
Well we have a habbit of holding on to players for too long so we need him to do well or else we will get peanuts for him.
Gayle we should be in for regardless of league we find ourselves in and even if we don't sell Rondon.

Ironically how we played yesterday would suit Rondon as the focal point with pacey players off him

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 12, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
I think a large part of us being able to get Gayle on a perm will depend on how Rondon performs.

Cant see Newcastle agreeing to sell Gayle if Rondon only scores say 4 goals all season as they will probably be looking elsewhere.

If Rondon does well, the likelihood of us getting Gayle increases.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 12, 2018, 11:32:31 AM
I think a large part of us being able to get Gayle on a perm will depend on how Rondon performs.

Cant see Newcastle agreeing to sell Gayle if Rondon only scores say 4 goals all season as they will probably be looking elsewhere.

If Rondon does well, the likelihood of us getting Gayle increases.

I generally don't look any farther than next week, but if we are successful then my preference would be to have Gayle AND Rondon in the squad together for next season, although I understand that is highly unlikely under any circumstances.   I had just mentioned to a colleague at work that Rondon would have loved playing in Moore's team on Saturday!  Playing under TP he was usually up against 2 defenders battling the ball, and on the odd occasion he did win it would look up and not have another player within 30 yards.  HRK did very well on Saturday, and I was utterly delighted to be proven wrong.....but he was always part of three (and sometimes 4 with Phillips) players going directly at the defence once the ball dropped.  Also, apart from getting to see him play in an attacking team, I would take him back as he all always seemed like a good team man and a nice fella to boot.     


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2018, 01:21:24 PM
Surprised it has taken him this long to get going. Newcastle fans and mesia lauding his performance, but Benitez just hasn't trusted him. Hoping he goes on a bitnof a run now. 3 goals so fsr this season in mid November isn't enough for us to recouo our outlay on him. Need him to hit a purple patch now.

Don't think it had much to do with Benitez not trusting him, he's only just come back from 5 games out with injury. A lack of fitness/match fitness was cited as well.

I'd be surprised if he manages more than 9 goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on November 12, 2018, 03:19:01 PM
Don't think it had much to do with Benitez not trusting him, he's only just come back from 5 games out with injury. A lack of fitness/match fitness was cited as well.

I'd be surprised if he manages more than 9 goals.

Agree. I hope he does well as he's a really nice bloke - but his finishing isn't was never great which is what held him back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on November 12, 2018, 03:49:53 PM
I never rate a striker who is bad at penalties and actively avoids taking them.

A relatively easy option to increase their goal tally is taken up by hungry strikers.

And if you are not good at them stay behind after training and improve your technique.

He may run around a lot but he is not a good striker, bang average at best imo.

We will see next summer MJ's insistence on a £18m fee instead of straight swap for Gayle was the right option.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 13, 2018, 07:45:07 AM
I never rate a striker who is bad at penalties and actively avoids taking them.

A relatively easy option to increase their goal tally is taken up by hungry strikers.

And if you are not good at them stay behind after training and improve your technique.

He may run around a lot but he is not a good striker, bang average at best imo.

We will see next summer MJ's insistence on a £18m fee instead of straight swap for Gayle was the right option.

How so? Newcastle will never pay £18 for Rondon and we will have him back for the last year of his contract and Newcastle will get Gayle back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 13, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
How so? Newcastle will never pay £18 for Rondon and we will have him back for the last year of his contract and Newcastle will get Gayle back.

Best hope for us is he has a landmark season and bangs a few goals in for them, £18m minimum then.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 13, 2018, 08:15:13 AM
Best hope for us is he has a landmark season and bangs a few goals in for them, £18m minimum then.

That's what I am hoping for, just can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 15, 2018, 03:52:58 AM
Class player hope he returns at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 15, 2018, 07:42:33 AM
Class player hope he returns at the end of the season.

Why? If he returns to us it will most likely mean he failed at Newcastle.
 If he is successful at Newcastle then I'm sure the owners (whoever that may be) will stump up the money for him if only to keep the manager (Benitez or whoever) happy and show some intent to supporters.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 15, 2018, 11:32:54 AM
Why? If he returns to us it will most likely mean he failed at Newcastle.
 If he is successful at Newcastle then I'm sure the owners (whoever that may be) will stump up the money for him if only to keep the manager (Benitez or whoever) happy and show some intent to supporters.

Even if he has a good season and keeps them up, under Ashley there will be no guarantee of a sale as we will then be holding out for the £18 million or whatever it is.  It's been well publicised that he doesn't see this as a good investment on a 29 year old and he doesn't give a tuppeny bit about the fans.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 15, 2018, 12:07:06 PM
Even if he has a good season and keeps them up, under Ashley there will be no guarantee of a sale as we will then be holding out for the £18 million or whatever it is.  It's been well publicised that he doesn't see this as a good investment on a 29 year old and he doesn't give a tuppeny bit about the fans.

That is true but Ashley has the club up for sale and I would imagine a deal will be done before the end of the season, so you'd think that the new owners would want to build bridges with fans and try to win them over (free drinks and scarfs!). IF Rondon has a successful season and scores around 15 goals then I think they would want to buy him regardless of his age. We might want £18M+ for Rondon but I'm sure we'd try and negotiate something where Gayle would be part of the deal (IF he continues to score and wants to stay).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 15, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
With Rondon coming into his last year of his contract (in the summer) I cannot imagine us wanting 18million for him or clubs paying that.

I imagine he would be sold for around the 10-12million max.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on November 15, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Can we not try for a straight swap at the next opportunity? It may be a gamble but one I feel is worth taking.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 15, 2018, 01:30:57 PM
With Rondon coming into his last year of his contract (in the summer) I cannot imagine us wanting 18million for him or clubs paying that.

I imagine he would be sold for around the 10-12million max.

You are probably right regarding the fee but IF Rondon does manage to score enough goals for Newcastle to be interested then I think they would pay around £16-18M as they would struggle to get a replacement for the same kind of money. Also IF he scores a decent amount I would imagine other clubs would show an interest and that could lead to a bidding war.

A lot of "IFs" I know, and I doubt he will score more than 9, but it is a feasible scenario.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on November 15, 2018, 04:16:11 PM
I wish him luck, but I hope i never see him in an Albion shirt again. Just hope we can keep Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 17, 2018, 07:26:54 AM
I wish him luck, but I hope i never see him in an Albion shirt again. Just hope we can keep Gayle.

My sentiments exactly
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 17, 2018, 07:24:28 PM
Why? If he returns to us it will most likely mean he failed at Newcastle.

If he is successful at Newcastle then I'm sure the owners (whoever that may be) will stump up the money for him if only to keep the manager (Benitez or whoever) happy and show some intent to supporters.

Doesn't mean we have to sell him though does it.
Happy either way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on November 18, 2018, 07:57:35 PM
I think it makes sense to make both Rondon & Gayle's moves permanent in January. Free transfers both ways and we all walk away. Mitigates the risk of arguing about it all next summer and losing Gayle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 18, 2018, 11:12:31 PM
I think it makes sense to make both Rondon & Gayle's moves permanent in January. Free transfers both ways and we all walk away. Mitigates the risk of arguing about it all next summer and losing Gayle.
If only we could
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 19, 2018, 08:06:14 AM
Doesn't mean we have to sell him though does it.
Happy either way.

No it doesn't but the comments he made at the start of his loan suggests he sees his time here as over, so what would be the point?

Also if Newcastle decide not to buy him it will most likely point to him having a disappointing season with them, why would we not try and sell?

Why would you be happy to have an under-performing player back?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on November 19, 2018, 09:23:27 AM
No it doesn't but the comments he made at the start of his loan suggests he sees his time here as over, so what would be the point?

Also if Newcastle decide not to buy him it will most likely point to him having a disappointing season with them, why would we not try and sell?

Why would you be happy to have an under-performing player back?

Time will tell at Newcastle as to whether he is a success with them. Certainly the two goals in the last game have helped him. However, in the highly unlikely event that we do get promoted this year, would you really want to rely on Rondon up front for the new season? I wouldn't, I have seen enough of Gayle to think that he deserves the chance.........IMO having Rondon back would be a backward step 

I can fully understand Newcastle wanting Gayle back, particularly if they go down, but if there is the remotest chance of getting him......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 19, 2018, 12:30:10 PM
No it doesn't but the comments he made at the start of his loan suggests he sees his time here as over, so what would be the point?

Also if Newcastle decide not to buy him it will most likely point to him having a disappointing season with them, why would we not try and sell?

Why would you be happy to have an under-performing player back?

Read my post again "I'm happy either way" we're does it say "happy to have him back or unhappy to have him back". One thing I know it in sport you need a squad to cover has many adventuallitys has you can a target man being one of them. Harry Kane played a role last night for England.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 23, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
Read my post again "I'm happy either way" we're does it say "happy to have him back or unhappy to have him back". One thing I know it in sport you need a squad to cover has many adventuallitys has you can a target man being one of them. Harry Kane played a role last night for England.

Surely "happy either way" means you'd be happy if he came back but also that you'd be happy if we sold him so is the same as saying "happy or unhappy to have him back"

Rondon is no Harry Kane.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 23, 2018, 05:05:15 PM
Surely "happy either way" means you'd be happy if he came back but also that you'd be happy if we sold him so is the same as saying "happy or unhappy to have him back"

Rondon is no Harry Kane.

That's a shame ah it. ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 23, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
That's a shame ah it. ;)

it really is, I'd love Rondon to be that good... or consistent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 23, 2018, 05:59:47 PM
it really is, I'd love Rondon to be that good... or consistent.

Since his arrival to England he has turned more into a target man how scores the odd goal than a goal scorer.
 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 25, 2018, 11:04:18 PM
I would love to see him score a real bag full and also Newcastle still be relegated.
I wonder what they would do then.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 26, 2018, 12:34:10 PM
I would love to see him score a real bag full and also Newcastle still be relegated.
I wonder what they would do then.

3 at the back Gayle
4 at the back Rondon
that's what i would do if he returned to us & we held on to Gayle'
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 26, 2018, 01:01:55 PM
3 at the back Gayle
4 at the back Rondon
that's what i would do if he returned to us & we held on to Gayle'

I'd abandon 3 at the back until we had the personnel to play that system regardless of if we had Gayle or Rondon.
I hope we leave Rondon where he is to be fair.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on November 27, 2018, 08:46:39 AM
I’m going to be controversial but if we go up I think we would need an upgrade on both of them, Rondon was one of many reasons we went down last time, Pulis and his ‘football’ didn’t help him but he missed an awful lot of sitters and he’s not ripping it up now is he. And I agree with Rafa and others in that Gayle isn’t prem standard.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 27, 2018, 09:05:00 AM
I’m going to be controversial but if we go up I think we would need an upgrade on both of them, Rondon was one of many reasons we went down last time, Pulis and his ‘football’ didn’t help him but he missed an awful lot of sitters and he’s not ripping it up now is he. And I agree with Rafa and others in that Gayle isn’t prem standard.

I think Gayle would suit the premier league if played in the right system.

If we were to have Gayle up top and play the way we did under Pulis, then you might aswell not have him at all.

If you put Gayle in a team that was abit more on the front foot, he would score goals. For example I have seen a few wolves games (if they've been on sky) and I believe he would put away the chances that Jimenez has been missing.

As above though, I would leave Rondon where he is, if we did go up and he came back, I would still be hoping we would be looking to upgrade that area and have Rondon as back up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on November 27, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Thanks be that you lot will have no influence on the matter
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 27, 2018, 12:08:13 PM
Thanks be that you lot will have no influence on the matter

Just out of curiousity, would you be happy if he was our main striker if we went back up?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on November 27, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
Just out of curiousity, would you be happy if he was our main striker if we went back up?
as one of only a few of our players to interest a prem club. Happy: not particularly. If it happens that way then so be it, but maybe under our present style more chances might give him a better goals ratio. It would also depend on many other factors such as being in a more mobile team than under Pulis. What I will not do is get on his back before giving him another go. If he puts the stripes on and puts the effort in he will get my full support. If it still doesnt work out and we can find something better or more effective, then thanks and goodbye. I know this is a forum and all about opinions, but in my opinion the Rondon discussion as it stands just appears to be about some of his previous critics justifying their own prior attitudes towards the player who although not a prolific scorer put a fair few good performances for us. Until we know who we have got and who we let go and a big IF we go up why not just let it rest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Backofthenet on November 27, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Well said Wodenson 46

We would probably be better off trying to sign Barnes on a permanent deal before the vultures start circling, before worrying about what might or might not happen with Rondon.
 Get that over the line in January and that will show some intent. (in my opinion)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 27, 2018, 07:41:33 PM
Well said Wodenson 46

We would probably be better off trying to sign Barnes on a permanent deal before the vultures start circling, before worrying about what might or might not happen with Rondon.
 Get that over the line in January and that will show some intent. (in my opinion)

No way on earth will Leicester let Barnes depart in January
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on November 28, 2018, 09:28:58 AM
I think Gayle would suit the premier league if played in the right system.

If we were to have Gayle up top and play the way we did under Pulis, then you might aswell not have him at all.

If you put Gayle in a team that was abit more on the front foot, he would score goals. For example I have seen a few wolves games (if they've been on sky) and I believe he would put away the chances that Jimenez has been missing.

As above though, I would leave Rondon where he is, if we did go up and he came back, I would still be hoping we would be looking to upgrade that area and have Rondon as back up.
I think Gayle only thrives in a strong attacking set up and that is why he's never done well in the Prem. He's always played for a team at the bottom end that spends most of it's time defending, which doesn't suit his strengths.
May sound strange but I think he could really thrive at one of the top sides in the Prem, but will struggle with us, if we go up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on November 28, 2018, 09:32:31 AM
I think Gayle only thrives in a strong attacking set up and that is why he's never done well in the Prem. He's always played for a team at the bottom end that spends most of it's time defending, which doesn't suit his strengths.
May sound strange but I think he could really thrive at one of the top sides in the Prem, but will struggle with us, if we go up.
You could be right there, Liverpool in the 70s/80s usually had a nippy goal poacher on the books, sometimes off the bench,I know the games changed but he's good enough if you ask me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 15, 2018, 04:31:01 PM
Scored again, excellent player as I've always said.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on December 15, 2018, 04:37:50 PM
Scored again, excellent player as I've always said.

"Again"  :) :)

His hold up play can be immense, he can bring others into the game but his finishing is still poor.  4(?) goals for Newcastle doesn't change that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 15, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Scored again, excellent player as I've always said.

The so called "Toon Army" will be loving him.  A number 9 who's a trier and a handful who is now also getting goals.   He' s not started a lot of games this year so his ratio must be looking reasonable. if he carries on like this they wont want to give him back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 15, 2018, 04:44:03 PM
"Again"  :) :)

His hold up play can be immense, he can bring others into the game but his finishing is still poor.  4(?) goals for Newcastle doesn't change that.

5 league goals, in 13 starts...

Play to his strengths etc
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on December 15, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
What's his strength?  Scoring?  I'd argue his strength is a lone frontman holding the ball up and that's how we used him.  He would certainly score more than he did for us in a team that has more attacking chances but he's not going to be prolific.  He misses far too many chances.  He's got a similar record to Danny Ings this season.

Would take Gayle every day of the week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2018, 04:56:49 PM
Still hoping they come down. We then go up.

I’m certain Rondon & Gayle would be lethal.

Doesn’t Rondon have more goals than Gayle in the Prem? So for everyone who skates Ronny the “he can’t score” brigade don’t have a leg to stand on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2018, 04:59:28 PM
Just checked,

Gayle
PL Apps; 99
PL goals; 21

Rondon
PL Apps; 120
PL goals; 28
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
What's his strength?  Scoring?  I'd argue his strength is a lone frontman holding the ball up and that's how we used him.  He would certainly score more than he did for us in a team that has more attacking chances but he's not going to be prolific.  He misses far too many chances.  He's got a similar record to Danny Ings this season.

Would take Gayle every day of the week.


Can't displace a  dreadful Rodriguez in a Championship team. I like Gayle very much but he's not in Rondon's class or pedigree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on December 15, 2018, 05:07:50 PM
To be fair, my criticism of Rondon's finishing is not based off his overall record, it was observations from seeing him miss clear chances.  The difference for me is if Gayle is 12 yards out and pulls the trigger you think "this is a goal" before he hits it.  It's not the same with rondon.  There were far too many 'head in hands' moments for someone I could call 'lethal' in front of goal.

Don't get me wrong, I still liked him and was sad to see him go (would also love to see him alongside Gayle), I just disagree that he is this lethal striker who we somehow just used wrong.  He's steady enough that youd expect ~10 goals a season from. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on December 15, 2018, 05:08:32 PM

Can't displace a  dreadful Rodriguez in a Championship team. I like Gayle very much but he's not in Rondon's class or pedigree.

But early for the sherry isn't it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on December 15, 2018, 05:22:00 PM

Can't displace a  dreadful Rodriguez in a Championship team. That's more down to our head coach, sadly

I like Gayle very much but he's not in Rondon's class or pedigree. In terms of overall ability, agreed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on December 16, 2018, 04:35:28 PM
What is Rondon worth to Newcastle now,we should sell him and buy Gayle.
Say £15 mill for the big guy and we buy the little guy for say £10 mill?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 16, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
What is Rondon worth to Newcastle now,we should sell him and buy Gayle.
Say £15 mill for the big guy and we buy the little guy for say £10 mill?
Yes 100% agree. Problem is they won't pay 15 for Rondon and I wouldn't blame them because Gayle is better.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on December 16, 2018, 05:44:11 PM
What is Rondon worth to Newcastle now,we should sell him and buy Gayle.
Say £15 mill for the big guy and we buy the little guy for say £10 mill?
I'd be happy with that, I don't think rondon wants to come back ,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2018, 08:43:04 PM
What is Rondon worth to Newcastle now,we should sell him and buy Gayle.
Say £15 mill for the big guy and we buy the little guy for say £10 mill?

Can't see Newcastle wanting to pay £15M for Rondon or selling Gayle for £10M, more likely the other way round.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on December 16, 2018, 10:04:47 PM

Can't displace a  dreadful Rodriguez in a Championship team. I like Gayle very much but he's not in Rondon's class or pedigree.
Gayles a better finisher than Rondon anyday,Rondon maybe be better as a sole target man,and is on good spell at the minute,anyway lets talk about this the end of the season,we will have the answer then
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 16, 2018, 10:13:16 PM
I'd be happy with that, I don't think rondon wants to come back ,
What did he say?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mank baggie on December 17, 2018, 05:47:38 AM
What did he say?
Didn't he say he was happy at Newcastle and wanted to  stay there ? Or are you just being awkward
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 17, 2018, 08:43:50 AM
What did he say?

He basically said a goodbye to us fans on the day of the swap and has said a number of times since the swap that he wants to stay at Newcastle and be successful there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on December 17, 2018, 12:00:39 PM
Gayles a better finisher than Rondon anyday,Rondon maybe be better as a sole target man,and is on good spell at the minute,anyway lets talk about this the end of the season,we will have the answer then

referring back to my post a page ago, Rondon has more Premier League goals - why cant we have them both, if they go down?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 17, 2018, 07:23:21 PM
Didn't he say he was happy at Newcastle and wanted to  stay there ? Or are you just being awkward
Not being awkward, just that pros normally roll out the "just trying to play each game and then I'm still contracted blah blah"
Not like them to actually state what they really mean

I think with no Pullis, him and Gayle could be electric
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on February 11, 2019, 06:42:39 PM
Rafa Benitez responds to transfer window speculation about another loan for Salomon Rondon

He ain't coming back in my view

Source: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-responds-transfer-window-15808694
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2019, 06:46:30 PM
Rafa Benitez responds to transfer window speculation about another loan for Salomon Rondon

He ain't coming back in my view

Source: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-responds-transfer-window-15808694 (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-responds-transfer-window-15808694)


We won't sanction any further loan as it will take him to the end of his contract.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 11, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
I hope he gets a hat trick tonight and they cough up the right amount of money for him at the end of the season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on February 11, 2019, 07:46:54 PM
I hope he gets a hat trick tonight and they cough up the right amount of money for him at the end of the season

To bloody true mukka, cough up or cough off Newcastle. Still think has a target man he could do a job for us against certan teams anyway. 3 tonight  big feller.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on February 11, 2019, 08:47:47 PM
How much do you think we could get for him ? Considering he is in the last year of his contract and in his 30’s. If we wanted 16 for him last summer then I’d have thought it will be less then that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on February 11, 2019, 08:51:41 PM
How much do you think we could get for him ? Considering he is in the last year of his contract and in his 30’s. If we wanted 16 for him last summer then I’d have thought it will be less then that.

I though his contract covered this season and we have an option of a further 12 months and this was agreed before we allowed his loan to Newcastle, but I could be mistaken and normally am  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on February 11, 2019, 09:01:45 PM
I though his contract covered this season and we have an option of a further 12 months and this was agreed before we allowed his loan to Newcastle, but I could be mistaken and normally am  :D

Yeah he has another year left with us after this season mate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 11, 2019, 10:04:35 PM
Straight swap for Gayle seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on February 11, 2019, 10:38:07 PM
Straight swap for Gayle seems reasonable.

I’m up for that. Gayle way better in my opinion
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on February 12, 2019, 02:35:47 AM
Can't see Newcastle wanting to pay £15M for Rondon or selling Gayle for £10M, more likely the other way round.
;D Gayle is one of us . In the after match interview they asked him if he was going to give JRod a hard time that he had overtaken him in the top scorer department...his response "I will remind him at least 10 times on the way home in the coach"......great lad ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on February 12, 2019, 09:39:35 AM
Just out of interest, did anyone watch last night's game and if so how did Rondon do please?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on February 12, 2019, 09:42:24 AM
Didn't see all of it but a fair chunk. His general play was decent, holding it up, linking up etc. No goal though. Had 1 chance where I thought he should have buried it but no joy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on February 12, 2019, 09:43:52 AM
Didn't see all of it but a fair chunk. His general play was decent, holding it up, linking up etc. No goal though. Had 1 chance where I thought he should have buried it but no joy.

Cheers Gazberg.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on February 12, 2019, 12:48:40 PM
Last night proved what we know only too well: Works hard, hold ball up well but cannot finish. Leave him where he is and get Gayle deal sorted!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 12, 2019, 12:54:13 PM
Straight swap for Gayle seems reasonable.

Sorry, but no. Gayle always struggles for goals when he plays in the Premier League, he's essentially a modern Robert Earnshaw. He doesn't contribute enough to the team overall, and at that level you can't carry players, which is why he often gets used as an impact sub. Plus his injury record isn't great, and he's a player who relies on pace and movement coming into the period of his career where he is going to start losing those attributes.

If we stay down I'd make it permanent, if we go up I'd look to get somebody else.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: brummyroader on February 12, 2019, 12:55:45 PM
Love Rondon and Gayle for different reasons, but in reality there is a reason why one is in the Premier League and one isn't.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on February 12, 2019, 02:38:28 PM
IF we get back up i'd like us to have Rondon, J-ROd and Gayle as it gives a lot of options all different types of striker but can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on February 12, 2019, 05:14:16 PM
FWIW, NUFC fans are in love with Rondon and consider signing him permanently a top priority.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on February 12, 2019, 06:09:24 PM
'Better than Mitrovic' What Newcastle United fans really think of Salomon Rondon

I ain't so sure, I think they are on a par personally

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/better-mitrovic-what-newcastle-united-15820746
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2019, 06:15:52 PM
FWIW, NUFC fans are in love with Rondon and consider signing him permanently a top priority.


Aside from the delusion that they're a big club they're knowledgeable fans, they certainly know a number 9 when they see one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on February 12, 2019, 06:30:58 PM
Just do not accept that Gayle can’t score goals in the premier league. Goals are the same size last time I looked. Use him correctly and he will get goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 12, 2019, 06:41:04 PM
Just do not accept that Gayle can’t score goals in the premier league. Goals are the same size last time I looked. Use him correctly and he will get goals.
defenders are much MUCH better though. Positioning isn’t enough and he’s not strong, fast or skilful enough to consistently beat PL standard defenders.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on February 12, 2019, 06:49:45 PM
We shall agree to disagree. Not fast enough??
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 12, 2019, 06:57:15 PM
Rondon is worth more than Gayle, not even worth discussion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on February 24, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
NEWCASTLE have agreed a £51m deal to sign Brazilian striker Joelinton from Hoffenheim, according to reports.

If that happens, will Sol be on his way back to us I hope and wonder?

The source for this one is not the most reliable though!

Source: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/761572/Newcastle-news-Joelinton-transfer-record-Almiron?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-star-football+%28Daily+Star+%3A%3A+Football+Feed%29
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on February 24, 2019, 09:34:23 AM
NEWCASTLE have agreed a £51m deal to sign Brazilian striker Joelinton from Hoffenheim, according to reports.

If that happens, will Sol be on his way back to us I hope and wonder?

The source for this one is not the most reliable though!

Source: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/761572/Newcastle-news-Joelinton-transfer-record-Almiron?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-star-football+%28Daily+Star+%3A%3A+Football+Feed%29

Sol won’t be with us next year, I suspect even if we go up. Everton very keen on him, as are Cardiff (if they stay up).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Andio on March 06, 2019, 11:54:01 PM
Interesting....

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/06/salomon-rondons-165m-release-clause-returns-if-west-brom-fail-to-go-up/

Salomon Rondon will be allowed to leave this summer for £16.5million if the Baggies don’t go up – but will cost considerably more if promotion is achieved.

The Baggies striker, who is currently on loan at Newcastle United for the season, has the same release clause in his contract this summer as he did following relegation.

He has made it clear he would like to stay in the North East, where he says he feels settled, but any club will be able to trigger the release clause if they want to.

Rondon has a separate release clause in his contract if Albion do go up, believed to be north of £20m.

The Venezuelan striker, who cost Albion £12m in the summer of 2015, had a £16.5m release clause last summer which wasn’t triggered.

Newcastle wanted to sign him, but only on loan, and they agreed to send Dwight Gayle the other way to facilitate the deal.

The release clause means Albion are vulnerable to losing Rondon without getting a deal for Gayle in return.

But receiving £16.5m for a striker who turns 30 in September with a year left on his contract would represent healthy business for the Baggies.

Newcastle will be in pole position to sign Rondon in the summer, but under Mike Ashley, they have rarely signed players over the age of 29.

There is also uncertainty clouding Rafa Benitez’s future in the North East, and it was Benitez who pushed to sign Rondon.

Albion’s automatic promotion hopes have taken a dent recently, and they now sit seven points behind the top two.

But Darren Moore defended the character of his players after back-to-back defeats left them with a mountain to climb.

“I don’t think you can criticise the player’s characters, that’s one thing I’ll never do with them,” he said. “There’s some wonderful characters in there.

“You’ve got to remember over 34 games in the season, those characters haven’t been called into question.

“The most important thing is what we do going forward.”
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on March 07, 2019, 09:34:50 AM
IF we go up, we would have a big decision on our hands with him.

He's come out and said he and his family are settled up north, do we look to sell him or would we keep him knowing he only has a year left on his contract and chances are wouldn't sign a new deal.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 07, 2019, 09:38:10 AM
IF we go up, we would have a big decision on our hands with him.

He's come out and said he and his family are settled up north, do we look to sell him or would we keep him knowing he only has a year left on his contract and chances are wouldn't sign a new deal.

I think we obviously have a decision either way.
For me it's not complicated, he's intimated on more than one occasion he see's his future away from us.
That being the case just maximise the incoming fee that we can get for him, whether we sell him to the Toon or anywhere else he fancies.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 08, 2019, 07:52:51 AM
I think we obviously have a decision either way.
For me it's not complicated, he's intimated on more than one occasion he see's his future away from us.
That being the case just maximise the incoming fee that we can get for him, whether we sell him to the Toon or anywhere else he fancies.

with you on that one.
 Sell him and if we do go up see if we can get Mitrovich from Fulham as well as getting Gayle. If we don't go up see if Newcastle will do a deal with Murphy and Gayle staying.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on March 08, 2019, 08:26:56 AM
with you on that one.
 Sell him and if we do go up see if we can get Mitrovich from Fulham as well as getting Gayle. If we don't go up see if Newcastle will do a deal with Murphy and Gayle staying.
That would be a good front line.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 08, 2019, 08:46:37 AM
That would be a good front line.

and where's HRK fit in to that line up?  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 11:02:25 PM
Another Match Of The Day feature on Salomon. Some player this lad, we've massively missed his presence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 16, 2019, 11:13:50 PM
Looks like we'll be getting £16.5m anyway, either from Newcastle or someone else if Ashley doesn't fork out.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 11:16:05 PM
Looks like we'll be getting £16.5m anyway, either from Newcastle or someone else if Ashley doesn't fork out.


Hopefully that somehow lapses, easily worth £25-30 million.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on March 16, 2019, 11:31:46 PM

Hopefully that somehow lapses, easily worth £25-30 million.

Easily.

Benteke, Jimenez, Dack etc all valued much higher. Rondon better than all.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 17, 2019, 08:19:09 AM
Easily.

Benteke, Jimenez, Dack etc all valued much higher. Rondon better than all.

Only one year on his contract though? £16m would seem about right for one year?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 17, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
Only one year on his contract though? £16m would seem about right for one year?
Yes I would say so. Someone will be meeting the release clause of £16.5m. If we are still in the Championship I hope Newcastle or someone else meets it early so we can build our own plans.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on March 21, 2019, 08:33:40 PM
The Everton interest that could impact this transfer between West Brom and Newcastle United

Oh, I hope there’s a bidding war. Tony Cascarino said he was worth £50m earlier in the week

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-interest-could-impact-transfer-16010845.amp?__twitter_impression=true

I realise he has a £16m buyout clause before anyone mentions it, but just wondering and hoping, but would like to keep him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on March 22, 2019, 08:15:23 PM
I try not to, but so often I wonder how many he would had scored for us in the Championship this season. Then I saw the run he made, ball control he showed, and goal he scored in 5 minutes vs Argentina and it made me REALLY wonder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2019, 08:40:23 PM
I try not to, but so often I wonder how many he would had scored for us in the Championship this season. Then I saw the run he made, ball control he showed, and goal he scored in 5 minutes vs Argentina and it made me REALLY wonder.


He'd have around 30 goals imo. Would have allowed us to go long at times when we had no plan B. Championship defenders are so poor too. Alas as I said when it looked like we'd go down he would not countenance playing at this level as he is too good for it and so it came to pass.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 22, 2019, 10:44:42 PM
The attacking football we have played for most of this season would have been manna from heaven for Rondon, and I think he would have been the difference between top 2 and top 6. Unfortunately we will probably lose him even if we do go up as, even at 30, he represents great value for £16 million, a snip in Premier League terms. Still can't believe the number of people on here who were unable to appreciate what he bought to the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on March 22, 2019, 10:48:53 PM
Very convenient memories imo. 30 goals? Barn doors and banjos spring to mind 😂
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 23, 2019, 12:45:29 AM

He'd have around 30 goals imo. Would have allowed us to go long at times when we had no plan B. Championship defenders are so poor too. Alas as I said when it looked like we'd go down he would not countenance playing at this level as he is too good for it and so it came to pass.
IMO he'd  be around 20 max. Would only be as good as the crosses and opportunities provided to him.
Seen him miss way too many open goals to think he is worth more than 16 million.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: richjonawba on March 23, 2019, 07:58:27 AM
IMO he'd  be around 20 max. Would only be as good as the crosses and opportunities provided to him.
Seen him miss way too many open goals to think he is worth more than 16 million.

I can't recall ever seeing him miss an "open goal", do you have an example of the many times?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 23, 2019, 08:05:36 AM
30 goals? Barn doors and banjos spring to mind 😂
I think you'll find he meant 30 years of age (actually I think he's still 29 ATM)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on March 23, 2019, 09:07:48 AM
30 goals was definitely mentioned. The guy has an amazing work rate and holds the ball up well but he is not a 30 goals a season man and never has been.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 23, 2019, 10:31:00 AM
Rondon shots and goals stats are up on where they were with us. That is the key if you compare his scoring output with an acknowledged world class striker say Aguero he scores roughly half the goals off a bit less than half the shots.

Conclusions Aguero is on an elite team and is getting a lot more shooting opportunities but is converting at a better rate (haven't factored xg in here so quality of shooting opportunity is assumed to be equal). Rondon is on a mid to lower ranking side which is fairly defensive (as opposed to ultra defensive with us) and his output reflects that. Were you to swap the two players my guess that Rondon would outscore Aguero but not by a factor of 2.

Unleahsed on fairly brittle Championship defences in an attack orientated team it is reasonable to assume is he would score a lot but that is kind of academic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 23, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
I can't recall ever seeing him miss an "open goal", do you have an example of the many times?

I thought I'd give you a small example of some responses to his performance reviews but Tottenham at Wembley springs to mind

Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #2379 on: August 31, 2017, 08:12:53 AM »
However, when he has had clear chances, he has not been very prolific or clinical. I reckon his shots to target ratio must be quite low. His link up play along the ground is not that great. He is one player we should be prepared to offload if the right offer came in.

It was something like 8.3%, the lowest in the league.  this has always been my issue with Rondon he is far too wasteful. Take Sunday for example and the chance he had at the end, I know he was stretching for it but it went out for a throw in!

 


Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #2406 on: September 01, 2017, 09:44:19 AM »
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His one on one chances are abysmal.
I'd always back the keeper


Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #2407 on: September 01, 2017, 09:52:59 AM »
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Quote from: TheBrom on September 01, 2017, 09:39:12 AM
Thing is we keep saying how difficult it is, but the other two strikers have managed to put their limited chances away and get on the scoresheet.

Think this is his problem, his chance conversion rate isn't good enough for a team such as ours that doesn't create 10-15 clear chances each game.

Pretty much how I feel about him. Scored 1 in every 11/12 chances he got last season, didn't even score against weaker sides in pre season, hardly ever puts the ball in the back of the net during warm ups (even when the goal is empty!).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on March 23, 2019, 03:36:29 PM
Personally don't like a striker who isn't chomping at the bit to take a pen.

It shows a lack of desire to increase his goal tally and a laziness of not wanting to train harder on them to improve.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 23, 2019, 05:45:14 PM
He does not want to play for us , and he has made that very clear.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 23, 2019, 06:19:49 PM
Scored a cracking goal for his country yesterday/today for what I believe is their first ever win over Argentina
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 23, 2019, 07:15:08 PM
Handicapped by our lack of attacking midfielders with the injury records of Morrison, Chadli and Phillips.
Often looked as though his finishing for us suffered through being totally knackered from his workload up front. Maybe Newcastle have put an extra couple of percent on his fitness.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on March 24, 2019, 03:26:11 PM
He does not want to play for us , and he has made that very clear.
still has contract with this club so unless club agree fee with Albion he's back here first day of pre season    training simples.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on March 24, 2019, 04:29:55 PM
Head and shoulders above anything in the Championship. I've never had a bad word to say about the guy, we won't be seeing anyone as good as him leading the line for a long time if we fail to go up this season.

Just feel a bit sorry for him that his only chances in England have been in an embarrassing Pulis set up and a defensive Benitez team. Someone will pay the £16m buy out clause in the summer and by some miracle we might have a half-decent manager in place to spend it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 25, 2019, 09:49:39 AM
Off the top of my head he missed chances he should be scoring 90% of the time against Derby in the FA Cup, Arsenal, Everton, against Watford he missed a few (completely free header from 6 yards out memorably), missed a 1v1 agains Chelsea.  Even when he scored his hat trick (which definitely plumped up his stats) against Swansea, he'd already missed two clean through, 1 on 1's.

I thought the guy was great, his work rate and holding the ball up some of the best I've seen, there's one thing you can't call him though and that's clinical. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 25, 2019, 09:56:42 AM
Head and shoulders above anything in the Championship. I've never had a bad word to say about the guy, we won't be seeing anyone as good as him leading the line for a long time if we fail to go up this season.

Just feel a bit sorry for him that his only chances in England have been in an embarrassing Pulis set up and a defensive Benitez team. Someone will pay the £16m buy out clause in the summer and by some miracle we might have a half-decent manager in place to spend it.

I doubt very much the bit in bold will be sanctioned.

Kids and loans is the format for the foreseeable future, barring promotion when I think you'll see a return to journeymen and elder statesmen looking for a last few quid (cheap)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 25, 2019, 11:32:25 AM
The attacking football we have played for most of this season would have been manna from heaven for Rondon, and I think he would have been the difference between top 2 and top 6. Unfortunately we will probably lose him even if we do go up as, even at 30, he represents great value for £16 million, a snip in Premier League terms. Still can't believe the number of people on here who were unable to appreciate what he bought to the team.

Never rated Rondon and always thought he was poor. the goal against argentina he has showed that before for albion but then would have 4 poor games.

£16m for a striker who is in his 4th premier league season and has still never scored double figures is poor really. he should score another 1 in the final 7 games though at newcastle which will be his first season then of double figures.

i remember reading in the summer a lot of fans saying he was never prolific because of the service and the way we play etc but he has still only scored 9 goals in a Newcastle team that play more attacking than we did under Pulis.

he would have been good in the championship and it is a league that suits his attributes more i feel.

anything over £12m is fantastic business really for albion i think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 25, 2019, 01:57:03 PM
Didn't he score 10 in his first season?  Or did that include cups?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 25, 2019, 02:08:59 PM
Didn't he score 10 in his first season?  Or did that include cups?

It included cups he's never got more than 9 league goals for us. He should manage it for Newcastle this season though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 25, 2019, 02:09:22 PM
Didn't he score 10 in his first season?  Or did that include cups?

nope, scored 9,8 and 7 league goals in 3 premier league seasons with Albion. scored 1 cup goal first season and 2 cup goals in the final season.

so no, never scored double figures in the league and at the moment has 9 with Newcastle so his goal scoring ability hasn't improved and remains in my eyes, average at best.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 03, 2019, 01:25:57 PM
so Merson wants him at seal park if they get promoted
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on April 03, 2019, 02:09:11 PM
Have a Geordie mate who loves him. Apparently he's very very popular up there as he fits well with their system (one up front, holding up the ball and never stops working). They'd love to buy him............pretty sure that's already a done deal behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on April 03, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
Had a chance in the Arsenal game the other night to score when they were only 1-0 down. Panicked and missed the shot. He works hard and is good for holding the ball up, but unfortunately he lacks composure. I like him, but I'd defo be looking to take any good offers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 09:53:21 PM
A report from the Newcastle Chronicle has claimed that West Brom have received enquiries from Premier League side Wolves regarding loaned out attacker Salomon Rondon.

We’ll swop him for Nuno
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 09, 2019, 04:17:21 PM
Named player of the year at Newcastle. Not bad for such an awful striker...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2019, 04:24:59 PM
Named player of the year at Newcastle. Not bad for such an awful striker...


He's brilliant mate. If he was from Smethwick everyone on here would be raving about him.


Views on Rondon on here are why I take a lot of what is said by certain posters with a massive pinch if salt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 09, 2019, 04:27:39 PM

He's brilliant mate. If he was from Smethwick everyone on here would be raving about him.


Views on Rondon on here are why I take a lot of what is said by certain posters with a massive pinch if salt.

Agreed. When he was here, i had to shake my head continually at some of the comments about him.

If we had him this season, not even Big Dave could have cocked up us winning the league, even if he had stuck him on the right wing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: phbaggies on May 09, 2019, 04:40:00 PM
Named player of the year at Newcastle. Not bad for such an awful striker...
Worked great for both teams in the end as his replacement also got player of the year for us and banged in 20+ goals. For what its worth I like Rondon but prefer Gayle
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 09:22:49 AM
Missed him badly this season as we never had target man up front to hold up ball, showed his qualities more consistently under better coach than he had with us. Need to sell him regardless as he thinks he's better than us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 11, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
While it has kind of worked for both clubs it is Rondon that both clubs needed but Newcastle are the club that got him. To be honest one way or another I doubt Rondon was ever going to be playing for us in the Championship and for what it's worth Gayle would have barely kicked a ball for Benetiz at Newcastle. This season is a win win situation but next has potential win lose or even lose lose depending who pays £15m for a 29/30 year old striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on May 11, 2019, 09:58:27 AM
I don’t think Rondon will struggle too much playing effectively until he’s 33/34, so I don’t think £15m will provide any great stumbling block
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 10:21:25 AM
Someone will snap him up at 16.5m, no doubt about it whatsoever
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 11:00:57 AM
I've said it before i would have loved to see him & Gayle up front together this season or in a 3 with Jrod
Rafael Benitez played to Solomon strengths & got the rewards for his faith in him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2019, 12:34:50 PM
Missed him badly this season as we never had target man up front to hold up ball, showed his qualities more consistently under better coach than he had with us. Need to sell him regardless as he thinks he's better than us.
You won't answer because you never do having spouted rubbish..

But where and how has he ever suggested he is better than us?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: richjonawba on May 11, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
You won't answer because you never do having spouted rubbish..

But where and how has he ever suggested he is better than us?

If he doesn't, then he should, because he is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:35:26 PM
You won't answer because you never do having spouted rubbish..

But where and how has he ever suggested he is better than us?
has been quoted that he wants a permanent move to Newcastle and has stated that family is settling in well in North East. In my book my opinion is that he thinks he's better than us OK.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:38:18 PM
If he doesn't, then he should, because he is.
Attention Mods don't let Zippy read this he will  lose the plot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
I haven't watched much Newcastle this season, but on the basis of what he showed for us last season, I'd take Gayle every day of the week. His goal today was just what you need from a striker. Being sharp, and picking his spot in front of the keeper with clinical accuracy.
Losing Gayle for the 2nd leg is far worse than losing Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
No chance would Rondon have scored that goal today.  He probably also wouldn't have got sent off mind.

People raving about him now I find weird, he's managed 1 extra goal this season under an (apparently) attacking Newcastle team that have used him to perfection in comparison to the team struggling under negative Pulis.

Would have loved to see a Rondon and Gayle partnership, I think they'd be a brilliant foil for each other.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on May 11, 2019, 05:28:25 PM
No chance would Rondon have scored that goal today.  He probably also wouldn't have got sent off mind.

People raving about him now I find weird, he's managed 1 extra goal this season under an (apparently) attacking Newcastle team that have used him to perfection in comparison to the team struggling under negative Pulis.

Would have loved to see a Rondon and Gayle partnership, I think they'd be a brilliant foil for each other.
He wouldn't have been sent off because he wouldn't have been in there where Gayle was!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2019, 06:17:52 PM
has been quoted that he wants a permanent move to Newcastle and has stated that family is settling in well in North East. In my book my opinion is that he thinks he's better than us OK.
And non of that is suggesting that he thinks he is better than us

Btw
If the mods do need pointers, I'm not sure they would go first you you.
However well done for answering a question, albeit not with any credibility
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
No chance would Rondon have scored that goal today.  He probably also wouldn't have got sent off mind.

People raving about him now I find weird, he's managed 1 extra goal this season under an (apparently) attacking Newcastle team that have used him to perfection in comparison to the team struggling under negative Pulis.

Would have loved to see a Rondon and Gayle partnership, I think they'd be a brilliant foil for each other.
Apples and pairs , rush vs Hughes , Phillips vs Kamara
Rondon is a big physical player who runs channels well , Gayle is a fox in the box

Right now I'd take either on tues , but would be over the moon with both
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 06:25:11 PM
Apples and pairs , rush vs Hughes , Phillips vs Kamara
Rondon is a big physical player who runs channels well , Gayle is a fox in the box

Right now I'd take either on tues , but would be over the moon with both
Unfortunately, I don't think that would happen
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bournemouth baggie on May 11, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
So as the prem finishes tomorrow can rondon play on Tuesday?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on May 11, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
So as the prem finishes tomorrow can rondon play on Tuesday?

No unfortunately not.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 10:49:50 PM
And non of that is suggesting that he thinks he is better than us

Btw
If the mods do need pointers, I'm not sure they would go first you you.
However well done for answering a question, albeit not with any credibility
says you and I won't waste my time getting baited by a narrow minded individual who thinks he knows everything when in reality knows very little.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on May 12, 2019, 09:14:05 AM
I know London can't play on Tuesday night,but he should be at the game in the crowd cheering on his team mates and the supporters and making his presence felt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2019, 11:49:13 PM
Farewell Rondon too most liekly. Well worth 16.5 m by todays markets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 14, 2019, 11:56:24 PM
can only hope it's not a bidding war for Rondon this summer. For me the best chance to bring Gayle back is to include him a deal permanently sending Rondon to Tyneside. Can't trust Jenkins & Co. to actually use the profits from a Rondon sell to sign Gayle.

The only sure thing is Rondon will be gone. He became a much better forward after his three seasons here, I can say that with certainty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 01:27:32 AM
can only hope it's not a bidding war for Rondon this summer. For me the best chance to bring Gayle back is to include him a deal permanently sending Rondon to Tyneside. Can't trust Jenkins & Co. to actually use the profits from a Rondon sell to sign Gayle.

The only sure thing is Rondon will be gone. He became a much better forward after his three seasons here, I can say that with certainty.

I don't understand the love for this guy still on here after what he said when he left for the toon.

I hope I never have the misfortune of seeing him again and I hope we get the most for him from whoever pays it, and I don't care if Gayle comes or not as I don't think we can afford him anyway as he signed an improved contract at Newcastle before agreeing to come to us.

I just hope dowling and Pearce earn their corn.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 15, 2019, 05:18:54 AM
I don't understand the love for this guy still on here after what he said when he left for the toon.

I hope I never have the misfortune of seeing him again and I hope we get the most for him from whoever pays it, and I don't care if Gayle comes or not as I don't think we can afford him anyway as he signed an improved contract at Newcastle before agreeing to come to us.

I just hope dowling and Pearce earn their corn.

Newcastle won't pay his release offer straight trade for Gayle and hope a good signing fee convinces Gayle to take a pay cut
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 16, 2019, 01:19:24 PM
Rumour is Wolves are having a sniff around.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7036307/Wolves-set-battle-Newcastle-signature-West-Brom-striker-Salomon-Rondon.html
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on May 16, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
Rumour is Wolves are having a sniff around.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7036307/Wolves-set-battle-Newcastle-signature-West-Brom-striker-Salomon-Rondon.html

Charge them double  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 16, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
Newcastle won't pay his release offer straight trade for Gayle and hope a good signing fee convinces Gayle to take a pay cut

Gayle might feel he owes us...

I am hoping Hegazi and Holgate feel the same.

However, I doubt it...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 16, 2019, 02:09:34 PM
Rumour is Wolves are having a sniff around.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7036307/Wolves-set-battle-Newcastle-signature-West-Brom-striker-Salomon-Rondon.html

This is a dum rumour with them just getting Jimenez on a permanent
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on May 16, 2019, 03:43:14 PM
This is a dum rumour with them just getting Jimenez on a permanent

More mischievous, than dumb I think
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on May 16, 2019, 03:46:32 PM
I hope he helps Derby in their quest for premier league survival next season !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 16, 2019, 05:18:47 PM
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=21845.0

Rondon transfer discussion thread.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 05:41:27 PM
Rafa in meeting Mike Ashley as we speak trying to sort a new contract, surely rondon must be on his must have list, resale value or not.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 18, 2019, 05:14:57 PM
This is a dum rumour with them just getting Jimenez on a permanent
Not sure it's a dumb rumour, quite a few sources saying it. No-brainer for Wolves in my opinion with them potentially getting European football as well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on May 18, 2019, 05:25:51 PM
Really couldn’t give a damn where Rondon goes as long as we get the 16.5 million for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2019, 05:27:04 PM
Really couldn’t give a damn where Rondon goes as long as we get the 16.5 million for him.


Yep, same here. Wolves and Newcastle can have a right bidding war as far as I'm concerned. The more money we get for him the better.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on May 18, 2019, 05:29:21 PM

Yep, same here. Wolves and Newcastle can have a right bidding war as far as I'm concerned. The more money we get for him the better.

Unfortunately we won’t get any more money for him irrespective of how many clubs are interested
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on May 18, 2019, 05:31:01 PM
Always liked Rondon even though I lost count the amount of times  I’d come out the ground saying if only Rondon would have scored that chance. Still his goal record for us was decent enough. If he is the striker the dingles think is going to take them to the next level though then their kidding themselves. Theve already got a striker on their books that’s better then Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on May 19, 2019, 01:59:02 AM
timspiers@expressandstar

Wolves have met the release clause in Solomon Rondons contract down to player and club now,Rondon keen, if Newcastle dont move soon expect Rondon to be a Wolves player soon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on May 19, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
timspiers@expressandstar

Wolves have met the release clause in Solomon Rondons contract down to player and club now,Rondon keen, if Newcastle dont move soon expect Rondon to be a Wolves player soon

Fair play to him if he goes there, I could see him thriving in that team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on May 19, 2019, 09:18:17 AM
The way I look at it is, their £16.5m is as good as anybody else's and they are the only ones, so far, to meet the release clause. Would like to retain him, but that's not possible
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2019, 09:27:58 AM
There'd be uproar in Newcastle if they don't sign their player of the year. I think a lot could depend on if Benitez stays from Rondon's point of view too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on May 19, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
There'd be uproar in Newcastle if they don't sign their player of the year. I think a lot could depend on if Benitez stays from Rondon's point of view too.

To be honest, if its a straight choice between the two for Salomon, I'm sure he'd want to play Europa football at this stage of his career.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 19, 2019, 12:56:34 PM
I’m guessing Newcastle will attempt to include Gayle as part of the deal if they want Rondon rather than straight cash.

Not sure what the club does if that happens. Gayle obviously had great season but on the other hand the club are looking to lower the wage bill and that money needs to Ben used on a few other positions I would think.

We’re notoriously hard to negotiate with and so are Newcastle so if this starts to drag on then hopefully Rondon goes somewhere other than Newcastle so we can get on with our own rebuilding.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on May 19, 2019, 01:56:17 PM
My main wish is to see Gayle come here as part of any deal. Wouldn't that be most likely if Rondon stays at Newcastle?
£16.5 is not much good if we can't find a goalscoring striker, and right now, there's one right under our noses.

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2019, 02:30:10 PM
If there is a decision to be made re Gayle it can only be made with the new Head coach in place. I think there is very little prospect of us signing Gayle as part of a deal therefore where the £16.5m comes from matters very little.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on May 19, 2019, 02:57:55 PM
Can only see Gayle here if it’s part of rondon deal but I think wolves smell blood as Rafa situation not sorted and they feel they can barge in. Wolfs would get it done quick due to Europe commitments too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on May 19, 2019, 11:04:25 PM
No problem with him going to Wolves if they want to activate his release clause. Will be a huge help to us next season, hopefully allowing us to rebuild the squad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2019, 06:09:13 AM
We won't see any of this Rondon money. I've supported them long  enough to know that it will just be put away to make the difference between the parachute payments decrease. Gayle will go elsewhere and we won't use a Penny of the Rondon money on the squad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan87uk on May 20, 2019, 08:40:48 AM
We won't see any of this Rondon money. I've supported them long  enough to know that it will just be put away to make the difference between the parachute payments decrease. Gayle will go elsewhere and we won't use a Penny of the Rondon money on the squad.

Would rather we did this than end up like Bolton, Portsmouth etc though...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on May 20, 2019, 10:24:45 AM
No problem with him joining Wolves if it happens.

He wont be playing for us anymore so what does it matter who he signs for in a league we are not in
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
No problem with him going to Wolves if they want to activate his release clause. Will be a huge help to us next season, hopefully allowing us to rebuild the squad.


I dont mind him going to Wolves or anywhere else for that matter. It has been good to see a team use him to his potential, unlike here where we have played him up front on his own and asked him to run round like a headless chicken.....Pulis used all his tactical nous there didn't he?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 20, 2019, 10:40:33 AM
The club will sell to whoever offers the release clause, they don't give a pooh where he goes as long as he's off our books.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 10:45:11 AM

I dont mind him going to Wolves or anywhere else for that matter. It has been good to see a team use him to his potential, unlike here where we have played him up front on his own and asked him to run round like a headless chicken.....Pulis used all his tactical nous there didn't he?

He plays the lone striker at Newcastle, it's why they like him because of his work rate.

I'd also point out that in a team that's supposedly much more attacking than a Pulis side he scored 2 (two) more goals (and played more minutes).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2019, 11:01:58 AM
No problem with him joining Wolves if it happens.

He wont be playing for us anymore so what does it matter who he signs for in a league we are not in

Except that Wolves is not Newcastle, and that might be our only chance of using him as a bargaining chip to acquire Gayle, even if its just on loan.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2019, 11:18:28 AM
He plays the lone striker at Newcastle, it's why they like him because of his work rate.

I'd also point out that in a team that's supposedly much more attacking than a Pulis side he scored 2 (two) more goals (and played more minutes).

For some of the time, but he gets far more service there, unlike here. From memory he has missed a fair few there as well, so some things don't change......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pureade1 on May 20, 2019, 12:18:40 PM
I think the general attitude of 'wolves money is as good as anybodies' sums up what Lai and his cohorts have reduced us to as a fanbase. We shouldnt be 'okay' with players going to our local rivals regardless of however much cash they have got but unfortunately we as fans seem to understand that Lai won't care what we think so we have to just accept he will go wherever as long as we get the money in. Not the fans fault but a very sad day in our proud history when we as fans have accepted Wolves will take who they want from us and we will have to just accept it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
For some of the time, but he gets far more service there, unlike here. From memory he has missed a fair few there as well, so some things don't change......

I agree with you.  I like Rondon the player, he's just not that lethal in front of goal.  If a team wants a big man to hold the ball up, he's the man, but he'll never be prolific.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on May 20, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
16.5m for Rondon is good money - I think he's 30 years old? He is a great at holding up the ball but not a natural goalscorer at all. Good luck to him, he always worked his socks off for us but happened to play for by the far the most negative manager we've ever had (and will ever have hopefully). He'd do well in a team pushing on from midfield. Got no problem with him going to Wolves personally. i'm more concerned about how we spend the money rather than enviously looking at how well run wolves have become compared to us!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2019, 12:36:52 PM
I think the general attitude of 'wolves money is as good as anybodies' sums up what Lai and his cohorts have reduced us to as a fanbase. We shouldnt be 'okay' with players going to our local rivals regardless of however much cash they have got but unfortunately we as fans seem to understand that Lai won't care what we think so we have to just accept he will go wherever as long as we get the money in. Not the fans fault but a very sad day in our proud history when we as fans have accepted Wolves will take who they want from us and we will have to just accept it.

It has got absolutely nothing to do with that. By chance we were offered Rondon and bought him. The position that we find ourselves in now means that he will never play for us again and we will likely get £16.5m for him [or maybe not]. Regardless of what you think of the Wolves, what has happened over the past couple of seasons cannot be dismissed, and we simply cannot complete with it. It makes absolutely no difference where Rondon goes to as far as this club is concerned, and if it is the dingles, then so be it.

Lai has no influence over my thinking and actually, like the way many other clubs operate, they do have so much money that they can afford to buy who they want, and there is nothing we can do about it except suck it up sadly.......

And it could have been us apparently but Jeremy didnt go for the deal........ 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 20, 2019, 12:40:17 PM
I think the general attitude of 'wolves money is as good as anybodies' sums up what Lai and his cohorts have reduced us to as a fanbase. We shouldnt be 'okay' with players going to our local rivals regardless of however much cash they have got but unfortunately we as fans seem to understand that Lai won't care what we think so we have to just accept he will go wherever as long as we get the money in. Not the fans fault but a very sad day in our proud history when we as fans have accepted Wolves will take who they want from us and we will have to just accept it.

Think you are misrepresenting what may happen.
 Rondon doesn't want to play for us, he's pretty much said so since he's been up there. Newcastle may or may not activate his release clause (Ashley doesn't seem keen to spend the money on a 30+ yr old). Wolves are looking likely to activate the release clause. If Rondon goes to Wolves then we will have £16.5 million more than we currently have. What's the problem?
I don't understand why some of our fans are against the club selling a player that doesn't want to play for us anymore just because it's Wolves.
It's not a case of "Wolves taking who they want from us", they are likely to bid for a player at the end of his contract that has a release clause that's all.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 20, 2019, 01:59:45 PM
I think even if Rondon wanted to stay, if the club isn't willing to pay Gayle's wages they sure would be trying to offload Rondon as well regardless.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on May 20, 2019, 02:53:46 PM
I think even if Rondon wanted to stay, if the club isn't willing to pay Gayle's wages they sure would be trying to offload Rondon as well regardless.

Definitely along with Gibbs , Hegazi , Dawson , Phillips , Livermore and Rodriguez. There all going whether they want to or not
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on May 20, 2019, 09:06:12 PM
Definitely along with Gibbs , Hegazi , Dawson , Phillips , Livermore and Rodriguez. There all going whether they want to or not
They all have contracts with us, so they will definitely have a choice. That's even if we get any offers for them all, which is dubious.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on May 21, 2019, 12:07:54 AM
I think even if Rondon wanted to stay, if the club isn't willing to pay Gayle's wages they sure would be trying to offload Rondon as well regardless.
Rondon doesn't want to come back (Never mind stay)  he was the first one to bail when we went down didn't want to stop and help get us up after helping sending us down he ain't a decent striker anyway and i can't get my head round people wanting him back and wishing him well! Wherever he goes he will be average and i really hope the dingles sign him that will really bugger them up!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2019, 10:27:23 AM
Rondon doesn't want to come back (Never mind stay)  he was the first one to bail when we went down didn't want to stop and help get us up after helping sending us down he ain't a decent striker anyway and i can't get my head round people wanting him back and wishing him well! Wherever he goes he will be average and i really hope the dingles sign him that will really bugger them up!

First one to bail mate was Foster, couldn't get away quick enough telling the dressing room he wanted to leave.

I'll wish him well as i've watched him for a few years before he came here when he was at Malaga, he's not the poor striker he's made out to be, like many others before him it didn't work out here but he's gone and won Player of the Year at Newcastle having his best season on English football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on May 22, 2019, 09:56:34 AM
We won't see any of this Rondon money. I've supported them long  enough to know that it will just be put away to make the difference between the parachute payments decrease. Gayle will go elsewhere and we won't use a Penny of the Rondon money on the squad.

Wise words & thoughts my friend, you know the Albion way well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 09, 2019, 08:16:44 PM
Club signing West Brom player ‘a great possibility’ after Newcastle United proposal is rejected

Click bait site, so not sure on the stories reliability or accuracy

Source: http://sportwitness.co.uk/club-signing-west-brom-player-great-deal-possibility-newcastle-uniteds-proposal-rejected/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 09, 2019, 10:06:01 PM
Club signing West Brom player ‘a great possibility’ after Newcastle United proposal is rejected

Click bait site, so not sure on the stories reliability or accuracy

Source: http://sportwitness.co.uk/club-signing-west-brom-player-great-deal-possibility-newcastle-uniteds-proposal-rejected/

Total rubbish.

Take a loan fee of £4m now and he gets a free next year, not even are that stupid.

Or are we?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 09, 2019, 11:21:56 PM
sorry cocked that up, just wanted to say absolutely spot on, Pulis cost him some of the best years of his career. Worked his guts out for us every game. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 10, 2019, 08:52:27 AM
Absolutely no way Rondon will be loaned out again.

He will be sold this summer, if no one matches his release clause then he will be sold late in the window for around 10million just to recoup some money and free the wages.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 10, 2019, 10:06:57 AM
sorry cocked that up, just wanted to say absolutely spot on, Pulis cost him some of the best years of his career. Worked his guts out for us every game. Good luck to him.

How do you work that out?   He scored 2 goals fewer than he did for Rafa 'expansive game' Benitez.  I'd argue he 100% should have scored more for us under Pulis if his finishing wasn't quite as poor as it was.  There were too many glaring misses.

And even ignoring that...   

He moved over to the Prem, played for us and is now a Prem player wanted by several club, his earnings, his potential earnings and his reputation have sky rocketed.   How is that wasting his best years?  Do you think his long term career would have been better if he'd stayed in Russia?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 10, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Scored twice and got an assist over the weekend as Venezuela beat the US 3-0, he's now his countrys top scorer of all time.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 10, 2019, 01:13:30 PM
Just heard a rumour that him moving to Wolves is a done deal, they're just waiting to announce it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 10, 2019, 06:58:47 PM
Just heard a rumour that him moving to Wolves is a done deal, they're just waiting to announce it.

Good he’s over the hill.  Probably one decent season left at Premier League level.  Big deal he scored v USA probably the equivalent standard of Peterborough.  Surprised Dingles haven’t set their sights higher with their spending power.

No brainier to offer Newcastle a loan fee plus wages for Gayle once Rondon has gone.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 10, 2019, 08:50:11 PM
Good he’s over the hill.
2 goals and an assist at international level argue against that

  Probably one decent season left at Premier League level.
Based on ?.

  Big deal he scored v USA probably the equivalent standard of Peterborough.
Not quite , international sides are quite a goodleveler these days

  Surprised Dingles haven’t set their sights higher with their spending power.
Like who for a realistic amount of 15m?

No brainier to offer Newcastle a loan fee plus wages for Gayle once Rondon has gone.
What’s Gayle international record like....if it’s easy ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 10, 2019, 09:07:36 PM


Wake up - the standard of international football has never been lower.  Teams like Gibraltar, Kosovo, Liechtenstein introduced to add to all of the rubbish former Soviet and Yugoslav teams.  USA are awful.

Rondon is £16m yet has no pace or skill to beat a man.  Yes good in the air and rocket shot.  There’s are players out there better and for <£16m.  Mitrovic as a comparison.A

I’m looking forward to us banking £26m from Dawson and Rondon. 

We should be looking to get the best possible player in the mould of Grealish we can.  That is the type of player we need to unlock defences.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 10, 2019, 09:18:24 PM
Wake up - the standard of international football has never been lower.  Teams like Gibraltar, Kosovo, Liechtenstein introduced to add to all of the rubbish former Soviet and Yugoslav teams.  USA are awful.

Rondon is £16m yet has no pace or skill to beat a man.  Yes good in the air and rocket shot.  There’s are players out there better and for <£16m.  Mitrovic as a comparison.A

I’m looking forward to us banking £26m from Dawson and Rondon. 

We should be looking to get the best possible player in the mould of Grealish we can.  That is the type of player we need to unlock defences.
You may need to wake up yourself, Venezuela haven’t played those countries at all in the recent few years , they did however beat and draw with Argentina Rondon scored...but they are only a small team?

I’d take Rondon over mitrovic, clearly so would Rafa benitez, he’s the guy that won champs league and various other accolades...mitrovic is under the expert tutelage of Scott Parker

The other two answers to my questions I just don’t get ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 10, 2019, 09:36:25 PM
You may need to wake up yourself, Venezuela haven’t played those countries at all in the recent few years , they did however beat and draw with Argentina Rondon scored...but they are only a small team?

I’d take Rondon over mitrovic, clearly so would Rafa benitez, he’s the guy that won champs league and various other accolades...mitrovic is under the expert tutelage of Scott Parker

The other two answers to my questions I just don’t get ...

There's 1 good team in the South American qualifying and that's Brazil.  If you can't see that the Champions League is a better standard than internationals then I worry for you.  Fact is Mitrovic scored more last season.  USA are trash as a football team. Rondon is average and £16m is a good cadh haul for a 30 year old whos on his way down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on June 10, 2019, 09:37:19 PM
Wake up - the standard of international football has never been lower.  Teams like Gibraltar, Kosovo, Liechtenstein introduced to add to all of the rubbish former Soviet and Yugoslav teams.  USA are awful.

Rondon is £16m yet has no pace or skill to beat a man.  Yes good in the air and rocket shot.  There’s are players out there better and for <£16m.  Mitrovic as a comparison.A

I’m looking forward to us banking £26m from Dawson and Rondon. 

We should be looking to get the best possible player in the mould of Grealish we can.  That is the type of player we need to unlock defences.
They are ranked 5 places above Venezuela  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 10, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
They are ranked 5 places above Venezuela  ;D ;D

Care to put forward an opinion on international football?  Your post means nothing as I stated I don't rate USA or Venezuela.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2019, 09:45:31 PM
Struggle to take anyone seriously who doesn't think Rondon is a good player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on June 10, 2019, 09:45:50 PM
There's 1 good team in the South American qualifying and that's Brazil.  If you can't see that the Champions League is a better standard than internationals then I worry for you.  Fact is Mitrovic scored more last season.  USA are trash as a football team. Rondon is average and £16m is a good cadh haul for a 30 year old whos on his way down.
..........and there are 6 South American sides in the top 20, and Venezuela aren't one of them. If you want to make an argument against Rondon, at least get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 10, 2019, 10:00:07 PM
..........and there are 6 South American sides in the top 20, and Venezuela aren't one of them. If you want to make an argument against Rondon, at least get your facts straight.

I’ve just said rightly or wrongly I think international football is a low standard so yes that still includes top 20 sides.  Argentina were shocking in the World Cup 12 months ago.  Croatia were effectively 2nd and they were no more than decent.

Rondon is not Champions League quality.  Maybe 5 years ago when he was in a decent Malaga team.  I repeat no pace, no skill to go round defenders.  He is an average Premier League player. 

We need to find players of the ilk of Koumas, Koren, Gera, Texeira.  Players that make things happen.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 10, 2019, 10:04:53 PM
I’ve just said rightly or wrongly I think international football is a low standard so yes that still includes top 20 sides.  Argentina were shocking in the World Cup 12 months ago.  Croatia were effectively 2nd and they were no more than decent.

Rondon is not Champions League quality.  Maybe 5 years ago when he was in a decent Malaga team.  I repeat no pace, no skill to go round defenders.  He is an average Premier League player. 

We need to find players of the ilk of Koumas, Koren, Gera, Texeira.  Players that make things happen.

His skillset is not about beating players though. It's all about his ability to bring others into it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 10, 2019, 10:26:35 PM
Struggle to take anyone seriously who doesn't think Rondon is a good player.
Well actually there are several posters on here who do not share your opinion. When playing for us, I said that he "could not hit a cows backside with a banjo". People blamed Pullis and our sterile play, but I would also say that there were many times when he did definitely not give his all, and people said it was due to his concerns about problems in Venezuela, lack of chances provided etc,etc.
He has played better for Newcastle, does not want to play for us, so could not care less where he goes. At £16.5m we are getting a good deal.
Your throw away comments are insulting Jacko, especially when you value a very poor player like Brunt so highly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on June 10, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
I’ve just said rightly or wrongly I think international football is a low standard so yes that still includes top 20 sides.  Argentina were shocking in the World Cup 12 months ago.  Croatia were effectively 2nd and they were no more than decent.


Correct.

France are world champions. They may be just about top six quality in the Premier League (one to eleven) and would not get to the semi finals of a Champions League. Croatia would be in a relegation battle over a 38 game season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 10, 2019, 11:04:14 PM

Correct.

France are world champions. They may be just about top six quality in the Premier League (one to eleven) and would not get to the semi finals of a Champions League. Croatia would be in a relegation battle over a 38 game season.
France would be top 3
Even then it doesn’t make an argument about the state of international football, nor that Rondon isn’t a better footballer than mitrovic?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 10, 2019, 11:32:15 PM
There's 1 good team in the South American qualifying and that's Brazil.  If you can't see that the Champions League is a better standard than internationals then I worry for you.  Fact is Mitrovic scored more last season.  USA are trash as a football team. Rondon is average and £16m is a good cadh haul for a 30 year old whos on his way down.
mitrovic scored the same amount of premier league goals last season as rondon in 5 more games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 11, 2019, 06:32:44 AM
mitrovic scored the same amount of premier league goals last season as rondon in 5 more games.

And in an inferior team that went down in 19th.

I can’t believe there are fans that are unhappy to receive £16.5m for a 30 year old.

I hope Dawson goes ASAP and we receive £10m+ for him.  Let’s give our Irish kid a go in his place. 

Ultimately we need a young dynamic team.  Kyle Edwards has shown he’s good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 11, 2019, 06:40:45 AM
Regardless of what he's done or how he's played for us in the past, it's all water under the bridge.
It's gone. It doesn't matter.
He doesn't want to be here so we should be out to get the maximum amount of wonga we can for him.
Thanks Sal.
Kerchinggg
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 11, 2019, 08:59:54 AM
Regardless of what he's done or how he's played for us in the past, it's all water under the bridge.
It's gone. It doesn't matter.
He doesn't want to be here so we should be out to get the maximum amount of wonga we can for him.
Thanks Sal.
Kerchinggg

couldn't agree more.

Rondon should have scored more for us with the chances he got but he didn't, his conversion rate was below average I seem to recall for Premier league strikers...wasn't it something like 1 in 11?
He struggled in an ultra defensive Pulis team where he was often isolated and the midfield were so far far behind him that even when he held the ball up he had virtually no support.

He scored  and assisted more in a slightly more attacking Newcastle side as a number of players got forward to support him.

I would like us to be in the market for a big target man that can hold the ball up well and also score a few as well as a Gayle type striker as I think we need that kind of diversity in the squad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 11, 2019, 09:02:24 AM
I wish him well.

He gave his all for us when he was here, his conversion rate isn't the best but the effort and commitment he gives the team will always ensure he's a fans favourite.

I don't think the move to Wolves will be good for him, he will be rotated a lot with Jimenez and he won't get the luxury of any mistakes as he's coming from us.

Never the less, I thank him for his efforts, it couldn't have been easy playing in a Pulis team.

All the best Sal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 11, 2019, 12:48:07 PM

Correct.

France are world champions. They may be just about top six quality in the Premier League (one to eleven) and would not get to the semi finals of a Champions League. Croatia would be in a relegation battle over a 38 game season.

Are you fishing, or is that a genuine response? I'm genuinely asking, because I don't think anybody could look at that France team and seriously think that.

Anybody who thinks the likes of Argentina or Uruguay are rubbish really need to watch more (non-English) football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 11, 2019, 01:05:49 PM
Just heard a rumour that him moving to Wolves is a done deal, they're just waiting to announce it.

I'd do any kind of deal which included someone like Costa or Cavalerio coming the other way.

Read a report online which seemed to suggest Wolves were happy to move those two on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 11, 2019, 01:59:19 PM
And in an inferior team that went down in 19th.

I can’t believe there are fans that are unhappy to receive £16.5m for a 30 year old.

I hope Dawson goes ASAP and we receive £10m+ for him.  Let’s give our Irish kid a go in his place. 

Ultimately we need a young dynamic team.  Kyle Edwards has shown he’s good enough.
you’re spouting out points with no substance, that Fulham team cost a fortune to build, mitrovic played 5 more games, had 42 more attempts on goal, yet scored the same amount of goals as Rondon, one of which was a penalty too, so far you’ve said south America is full of poor national team, mitrovic was a better player and the Fulham team was inferior to Newcastle despite having superior players in it, all your points have been disapproved by actual facts and stats, if you don’t like rondon fair enough, if you’re going to argue it at least use facts instead plucking random stuff out the sky.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 11, 2019, 06:37:08 PM
you’re spouting out points with no substance, that Fulham team cost a fortune to build, mitrovic played 5 more games, had 42 more attempts on goal, yet scored the same amount of goals as Rondon, one of which was a penalty too, so far you’ve said south America is full of poor national team, mitrovic was a better player and the Fulham team was inferior to Newcastle despite having superior players in it, all your points have been disapproved by actual facts and stats, if you don’t like rondon fair enough, if you’re going to argue it at least use facts instead plucking random stuff out the sky.

I couldn’t care about Rondon.  Facts are he wants to leave so take the £16m whether that’s to Molineux or anywhere else.

In essence you pull apart other people’s posts/opinions whilst not having the confidence, courage or conviction to regularly convey your own thoughts.  The forum is about opinions.  Are you an encyclopaedia on  football matters?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 11, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
I couldn’t care about Rondon.  Facts are he wants to leave so take the £16m whether that’s to Molineux or anywhere else.

In essence you pull apart other people’s posts/opinions whilst not having the confidence, courage or conviction to regularly convey your own thoughts.  The forum is about opinions.  Are you an encyclopaedia on  football matters?
you’ve come on here and put an argument forward that has been disproved by fact and now you throw your toys out the pram like a child because people have shown what you said had no substance to it. Perhaps making your opinion public isn’t wise if you aren’t comfortable with people responding to it after all that’s the point of a forum, to discuss peoples opinions. I totally apologise to you for not being a regular poster, that is terrible of me, I will definitely be taking you’re feedback on board and make more effort to meet my post quota 🙄. Perhaps go through my posts and you’ll see I’m more than happy to give an opinion.

An encyclopaedia may be beneficial for you to fact check your statements if your going to whinge about people correcting them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 11, 2019, 09:29:21 PM
you’ve come on here and put an argument forward that has been disproved by fact and now you throw your toys out the pram like a child because people have shown what you said had no substance to it. Perhaps making your opinion public isn’t wise if you aren’t comfortable with people responding to it after all that’s the point of a forum, to discuss peoples opinions. I totally apologise to you for not being a regular poster, that is terrible of me, I will definitely be taking you’re feedback on board and make more effort to meet my post quota 🙄. Perhaps go through my posts and you’ll see I’m more than happy to give an opinion.

An encyclopaedia may be beneficial for you to fact check your statements if your going to whinge about people correcting them.

Dear me.  None of what I’ve said Is wildly off the mark.  Other people have qualified some of the things I said. 

You still haven’t come forward with an opinion and it is mildly irritating to see others try to correct peoples statements. 

If gutted about Rondon I’ll respect that point of view.

Nobody has yet voucher for the quality of USA v Venezuela and international football at large.

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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 11, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
Rondon is a cart horse, anybody who game is based on trying to please the fans by the what should be a given namely, working hard is a joke.

The fact he is such a terrible penalty taker says it all about him imo.

Get him out ASAP, and hopefully the td can show us the confidence he says we should have when getting rid of such players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 11, 2019, 10:02:07 PM
Dear me.  None of what I’ve said Is wildly off the mark.  Other people have qualified some of the things I said. 

You still haven’t come forward with an opinion and it is mildly irritating to see others try to correct peoples statements. 

If gutted about Rondon I’ll respect that point of view.

Nobody has yet voucher for the quality of USA v Venezuela and international football at large.

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Is it so hard for people to quote properly ? Click QUOTE and post after the last word that says quote. Any more and posts will just be removed.
I don’t feel the need to keep repeating opinions, I’ve said previously that rondon offers more to a team than he’s given credit for and there’s a reason managers and team mates rate him so highly, if your that eager for an opinion read through my posts.

If using a statement to support an opinion it should at least be factual. As for the quality in the USA game, yes it’s poor but that doesn’t quantify that every other international games he’s played in has been of low quality.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 11, 2019, 10:15:09 PM
I don’t feel the need to keep repeating opinions, I’ve said previously that rondon offers more to a team than he’s given credit for and there’s a reason managers and team mates rate him so highly, if your that eager for an opinion read through my posts.

If using a statement to support an opinion it should at least be factual. As for the quality in the USA game, yes it’s poor but that doesn’t quantify that every other international games he’s played in has been of low quality.

No I don’t have to be factual.  Other people aren’t factual.  BalisPen has been scathing of Rondon without being factual and that’s fine.  I wait for you to criticise him......

This comparison of Rondon / Mitrovic was based on last season not others.  Who cares what the minute per goal ratio was.  There are so many grey areas when trying to conduct this analysis.

Not long to go before everyone can move on from Rondon in an Albion shirt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 11, 2019, 10:55:40 PM
No I don’t have to be factual.  Other people aren’t factual.  BalisPen has been scathing of Rondon without being factual and that’s fine.  I wait for you to criticise him......

This comparison of Rondon / Mitrovic was based on last season not others.  Who cares what the minute per goal ratio was.  There are so many grey areas when trying to conduct this analysis.

Not long to go before everyone can move on from Rondon in an Albion shirt.
If it’s not factual don’t whine if people question its credibility then.
my response was based on their stats from last season, rondon scored the same goals in less games and shots. So on last seasons showing rondon was better than mitrovic, rondon also got 7 assists to mitrovic’s 3, again rondon offers more than he’s given credit for. His games is more than goal scoring, what he does brings others into play and creates chances for others.

My debate was with yourself as your comment was the one I replied to, and it is you I was conversing with,  balispen commented after I had replied to you, I’m not going to debate with every single poster with a different opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 12, 2019, 12:05:42 AM
I’ll be glad when he’s gone. If only to stop the bickering.  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GREGMT on June 12, 2019, 06:42:32 AM
q
If it’s not factual don’t whine if people question its credibility then.
my response was based on their stats from last season, rondon scored the same goals in less games and shots. So on last seasons showing rondon was better than mitrovic, rondon also got 7 assists to mitrovic’s 3, again rondon offers more than he’s given credit for. His games is more than goal scoring, what he does brings others into play and creates chances for others.

My debate was with yourself as your comment was the one I replied to, and it is you I was conversing with,  balispen commented after I had replied to you, I’m not going to debate with every single poster with a different opinion.

My points are that others have posted far more disparaging stuff about Rondon which you’ve chosen to ignore.  I tried to qualify what I’ve said by going deeper into the argument, others don’t even do that.  Your approach is inconsistent. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DaveWBA on June 12, 2019, 06:47:08 AM
Rondon is a cart horse, anybody who game is based on trying to please the fans by the what should be a given namely, working hard is a joke.

The fact he is such a terrible penalty taker says it all about him imo.

Get him out ASAP, and hopefully the td can show us the confidence he says we should have when getting rid of such players.

I've seen some rubbish takes on here but this could well be the worst. Cart horse, oh dear.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 12, 2019, 08:27:24 AM
I agree with the sentiments that if you don't rate Robson, you haven't got a clue, so pointless debating it with you. Robson is the best striker we have had in years, he just happened to play in an ultra defensive team for the most part.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 12, 2019, 09:04:31 AM
If Bilic does become the next manager I have a feeling he will look to keep Rondon, I believe he plays a 4-2-3-1 formation. Rondon would be perfect in that formation.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 12, 2019, 09:08:32 AM
If Bilic does become the next manager I have a feeling he will look to keep Rondon, I believe he plays a 4-2-3-1 formation. Rondon would be perfect in that formation.

At a reported £60,000 a week, we can’t afford him. But, like you, I think he would get goals in the Championship for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 12, 2019, 09:11:25 AM
we would lose him on a free at the end of next season.

he's already made it clear he wants to leave and play at higher level.

Jenkins will be looking at his spreadsheet and wanting some money to add in from the sale of Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 12, 2019, 09:20:10 AM
I agree with the sentiments that if you don't rate Robson, you haven't got a clue, so pointless debating it with you. Robson is the best striker we have had in years, he just happened to play in an ultra defensive team for the most part.
Really? better than Odemwingie I don't think so.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 12, 2019, 09:37:29 AM
I like Rondon but it would be bad business to keep him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 12, 2019, 09:42:04 AM
Really? better than Odemwingie I don't think so.

Rondon was poor for us and his record proves that. a lot thought it was because we played "defensive" but he used to have regular chances and conversion rate was very poor.


many fans thought he would score a lot more in a newcastle team that played more attacking and open than a "defensive" west brom but he scored 2 more than his first season with us and played 2 premier league games more.

Rondon is a bottom end of the prem striker and in my opinion isnt good enough to lace odemwingies boots.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 12, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
I like Rondon but it would be bad business to keep him.

Agreed, although as BoingFlyer has said he would suit 4-2-3-1, there is no point in keeping a player that doesn't want to be here.

IMO it's pointless comparing him with Odemwingie as they play in completely different styles.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 12, 2019, 10:01:20 AM
Rondon was poor for us and his record proves that. a lot thought it was because we played "defensive" but he used to have regular chances and conversion rate was very poor.

Couldn't agree more.  I mean, don't get me wrong, he seems like a nice guy, his hold up play could be brilliant at times, but his actual finishing was pretty poor.  I'm not talking "ooh, he's done well to get a shot off there" type chances, but more "how on earth did he miss that?" chances.  Far too many of those for a top striker. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 12, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
Couldn't agree more.  I mean, don't get me wrong, he seems like a nice guy, his hold up play could be brilliant at times, but his actual finishing was pretty poor.  I'm not talking "ooh, he's done well to get a shot off there" type chances, but more "how on earth did he miss that?" chances.  Far too many of those for a top striker.

agreed.

in 4 premier league seasons and 140 games hes scored 35 goals which is exactly one goal every 4 games. for those of you who watch Albion on a weekly basis will see the amount of chances he used to miss for us on a regular basis and exactly like boinging along said, they weren't half chances, they were sitters.

He seems a lovely man and does work hard but i would not fancy a hard working striker who scores 1 in 4 for £16.5m personally.

i would love £16.5m for him and re-invest back into the team.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 12, 2019, 10:27:04 AM
Take the 16.5million and give it to Bilic to bring in a couple of faces.

Hoping Bilic will know of a couple of European gems to bring in for reasonable prices, and use his contacts to get some loans in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bakeyaface on June 12, 2019, 10:30:03 AM
Take the 16.5million and give it to Bilic to bring in a couple of faces.

Hoping Bilic will know of a couple of European gems to bring in for reasonable prices, and use his contacts to get some loans in.

Fully agree, I'd take that money at this level and re-invest (hopefully wisely) and also have to factor in Rondon's wages we should save a little on
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on June 12, 2019, 01:09:55 PM
If Bilic does become the next manager I have a feeling he will look to keep Rondon, I believe he plays a 4-2-3-1 formation. Rondon would be perfect in that formation.

He wont stay here. Not  chance; cannot afford wages, would not risk losing him on a free in 12 months time. As many have already said, take the £16+m and give to the new manager who can hopefully bring in a younger more hungry guy on a much more reasonable wage.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 12, 2019, 01:14:53 PM
I agree with the sentiments that if you don't rate Robson, you haven't got a clue, so pointless debating it with you. Robson is the best striker we have had in years, he just happened to play in an ultra defensive team for the most part.

I rate Robson very highly, probably the best best box to box MF this country has ever had, and we developed him.

As for Rondon he couldn't lace Odemwingie's boots and when you want to be disparaging about other posters' opinions and about them having a clue or not as they don't agree with you, it may assist your patronising argument more to get your robsons and rondons correct because one was the sublime and the other the disloyal ridiculous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 12, 2019, 01:33:01 PM
q
My points are that others have posted far more disparaging stuff about Rondon which you’ve chosen to ignore.  I tried to qualify what I’ve said by going deeper into the argument, others don’t even do that.  Your approach is inconsistent.
I have no idea why you taking this personal, as you say you tried to qualify what you said by adding to it and that it is what I commented on because what you added was incorrect.

As for people calling rondon a cart horse etc, the guy had a hand in 18 premier league goals last season in 32 games for a struggling Newcastle team, that’s a hand in a goal better than every other game on average, that’s better than players like Lukaku, Richarlison, he got the same amount of assists Bernardo silva, James Maddison and Jimenez, and more than ozil and Sanchez combined all of which everyone would dream of seeing in our team. If that’s the work of a cart horse give me 2 please.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on June 12, 2019, 04:17:52 PM
I agree with the sentiments that if you don't rate Robson, you haven't got a clue, so pointless debating it with you. Robson is the best striker we have had in years, he just happened to play in an ultra defensive team for the most part.
Robson is the best striker we have had in years? Robson-Kanu? I think you'll find lukaku Odemwingie and even Berahino where better than Robson!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on June 12, 2019, 04:25:36 PM
Just sell the ******, get the most we can get for him and start to build a new team :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on June 12, 2019, 04:31:37 PM
Just sell the ******, get the most we can get for him and start to build a new team :o
Yes.  Take the money and run.  He tried proper for us, but he is a mercenary, and who can blame him with the state his country is in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 12, 2019, 04:39:45 PM
I have no idea why you taking this personal, as you say you tried to qualify what you said by adding to it and that it is what I commented on because what you added was incorrect.

As for people calling rondon a cart horse etc, the guy had a hand in 18 premier league goals last season in 32 games for a struggling Newcastle team, that’s a hand in a goal better than every other game on average, that’s better than players like Lukaku, Richarlison, he got the same amount of assists Bernardo silva, James Maddison and Jimenez, and more than ozil and Sanchez combined all of which everyone would dream of seeing in our team. If that’s the work of a cart horse give me 2 please.

Are you seriously comparing him to Ozil and Sanchez?  Or even Silva\Maddiso\Jimenez?  I mean, come on!  He got a decent haul of assists last year, 7, to be fair to him, but he's nowhere near as good as those players. 

I don't think anybody is calling him a cart horse, we are just pointing out that his record isn't all that great.  He's got some strong attributes to his game but finishing isn't one of them. 

Some people give him a bit of soft time on that by blaming Pulis, but in a way more attacking team at Newcastle, in a team that stayed up, he scored 2 goals more and had played more minutes.  He had 10 more shots on goal last season than he did with us the season before.  Pulis isn't to blame for his goal haul, Rondon is.  If we were to spend £16.5m I would want more goals from the main striker.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 12, 2019, 04:48:07 PM
What I'd like to know is where has this notion that Newcastle play attacking football come from? Don't any of you watch and absorb other teams?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 12, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
Are you seriously comparing him to Ozil and Sanchez?  Or even Silva\Maddiso\Jimenez?  I mean, come on!  He got a decent haul of assists last year, 7, to be fair to him, but he's nowhere near as good as those players. 

I don't think anybody is calling him a cart horse, we are just pointing out that his record isn't all that great.  He's got some strong attributes to his game but finishing isn't one of them. 

Some people give him a bit of soft time on that by blaming Pulis, but in a way more attacking team at Newcastle, in a team that stayed up, he scored 2 goals more and had played more minutes.  He had 10 more shots on goal last season than he did with us the season before.  Pulis isn't to blame for his goal haul, Rondon is.  If we were to spend £16.5m I would want more goals from the main striker.
comparing his output to other players of a higher calibre, you’ve literally only got to scroll up this page or go a page back to find him being called a cart horse, his contributions to a team are up there with some of the best players in the league, he’s clearly not a cart horse. Those stats were highlighting what I’d previously said that his game isn’t solely about goal scoring, he offers things that help others into play to score goals, contributing towards 18 goals in a premier league season is impressive for anyone, especially when compared to players that are rated so highly and worth absolute fortunes who haven’t made anywhere near similar contributions. Newcastle only scored 42 goals in the league the entire season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 12, 2019, 04:56:19 PM
What I'd like to know is where has this notion that Newcastle play attacking football come from? Don't any of you watch and absorb other teams?

i think it was meant that every one of other 91 teams compared to a pulis team is more attacking so was thought rondon would score a lot more goals as at the time, it was all down to pulis being the manager and us so defensive, and no supply to Rondon was why he never scored a decent haul for us.

went to Newcastle and scored 2 more. says it all really.... a very very bang average striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on June 12, 2019, 05:01:52 PM
i think it was meant that every one of other 91 teams compared to a pulis team is more attacking so was thought rondon would score a lot more goals as at the time, it was all down to pulis being the manager and us so defensive, and no supply to Rondon was why he never scored a decent haul for us.

went to Newcastle and scored 2 more. says it all really.... a very very bang average striker.

He scored 4 more. 7 in the league for us in 17/18 and 11 for Newcastle with fewer games and minutes
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on June 12, 2019, 06:04:50 PM
i think it was meant that every one of other 91 teams compared to a pulis team is more attacking so was thought rondon would score a lot more goals as at the time, it was all down to pulis being the manager and us so defensive, and no supply to Rondon was why he never scored a decent haul for us.

went to Newcastle and scored 2 more. says it all really.... a very very bang average striker.
Just don't understand people judging Rondon purely on the number of goals he has scored. He brings so much more to the table and is seriously under rated by a few people on here. In any case, his goal scoring record isn't at all bad - averaging 9 goals a season over 4 seasons in the Premier League for 2 teams playing very defensive football is pretty decent in my book. Just for comparison, this figure has only been achieved once by Jay Rodriguez, and never by Dwight Gayle, and his record is only very slightly worse than Peter Odemwingie, who was playing in more attacking teams.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 12, 2019, 06:51:25 PM
Just don't understand people judging Rondon purely on the number of goals he has scored.

I'm judging him on the number of goals he didn't score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on June 12, 2019, 06:56:32 PM
I'm judging him on the number of goals he didn't score.

He outperformed (just) his Expected Goals (xg) both this season and last. He gets pretty much as many goals as strikers are expected from the chances he gets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 12, 2019, 07:58:29 PM
I'm judging him on the number of goals he didn't score.
if he was burying every single chance he got he wouldn’t be playing for us or Newcastle. His game consists of more than just goal scoring. As many have said his contribution is massively under valued. He contributed to 43% of Newcastle’s league goals last season, whether scoring them or being credited with the assist, he deserves the praise the Newcastle fans give him, I hope he ends up somewhere his game is appreciated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 12, 2019, 08:05:06 PM
I hate this thread, I find myself continually agreeing with Jacko 😂

Rondon is a very good striker, Newcastle are not the new Barcelona .
And there seems to be a “if he plays next year we lose him for free” fear....not if he signs a new deal we don’t...what if he signed a new deal that if we don’t go up we accept 5m for him and if we do his rate is adjusted to 19m
Win win....for both...and he would get 30-35 in the champ
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 12, 2019, 08:10:50 PM
I hate this thread, I find myself continually agreeing with Jacko 😂

Rondon is a very good striker, Newcastle are not the new Barcelona .
And there seems to be a “if he plays next year we lose him for free” fear....not if he signs a new deal we don’t...what if he signed a new deal that if we don’t go up we accept 5m for him and if we do his rate is adjusted to 19m
Win win....for both...and he would get 30-35 in the champ
Why would he sign a new contract? That’s madness. Sign a new contract and if we don’t go up you can leave for 5m. Well if he don’t sign a new contract he goes for nothing and pockets all the extra dough in his wage packet. Albion should nd will be absolutely desperate to cash in now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 12, 2019, 08:25:55 PM
Why would he sign a new contract? That’s madness. Sign a new contract and if we don’t go up you can leave for 5m. Well if he don’t sign a new contract he goes for nothing and pockets all the extra dough in his wage packet. Albion should nd will be absolutely desperate to cash in now.
Why?
Because he wants to play/start/score
             He wants to play under biblical
             He takes 65k per week and a huge bonus for 30 goals or more, and promotion
             No one comes in that he sees as a step up

I think some5imes us fans think it’s all very easy , but the reality is not always the same , someone has to come in and put the money down...and there are plenty alternatives
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 12, 2019, 09:04:21 PM
Why?
Because he wants to play/start/score
             He wants to play under biblical
             He takes 65k per week and a huge bonus for 30 goals or more, and promotion
             No one comes in that he sees as a step up

I think some5imes us fans think it’s all very easy , but the reality is not always the same , someone has to come in and put the money down...and there are plenty alternatives
But he’s made it very clear as soon as relegation came that he wouldn’t be playing in the championship, contractually he’s in a much stronger position now so why would he all off a sudden of the back of a player of the season winning stint in the premier league change his mind. He won’t, and we’ll. be desperate to get a fee for him now. He isn’t coming back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on June 12, 2019, 09:26:58 PM
My view is that if we were not prepared to pay Gayle's wages, we'd be mad to spend the money on Rondon's. The ability to convert goalscoring chances is probably the most important skill in the modern game. Gayle does it instinctively. His anticipation is miles ahead of Rondon's, who just seemed to anticipate a (crucial) second too late.
Nobody's arguing about Rondon's workrate, but you can replace that fairly easily. Finding instinctive goalscorers is like finding goldust.
I think we can find better uses for Rondon's £16 million.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 12, 2019, 10:01:27 PM
But he’s made it very clear as soon as relegation came that he wouldn’t be playing in the championship, contractually he’s in a much stronger position now so why would he all off a sudden of the back of a player of the season winning stint in the premier league change his mind. He won’t, and we’ll. be desperate to get a fee for him now. He isn’t coming back.

Thought it was more to do with the fact he didn't have a wage drop clause in his contract? to be honest only person I saw anything from about wanting to leave was Foster as soon as we went down.

No way Rondon will sign a new deal or even be offered one as if we can't pay his wages now, we got no chance of paying him a penny more. He will be gone probably back to over into Europe.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 12, 2019, 10:19:01 PM
Why?
Because he wants to play/start/score
             He wants to play under biblical
             He takes 65k per week and a huge bonus for 30 goals or more, and promotion
             No one comes in that he sees as a step up

I think some5imes us fans think it’s all very easy , but the reality is not always the same , someone has to come in and put the money down...and there are plenty alternatives

I appreciate the energy but Rondon is heading towards the end of the prime of his career. By all accounts his #1 destination is Newcastle and he seems to be having a very patient approach with them while they sort out the possible takeover and/or whether Rafa stays at the club (I don't think he goes back to NUFC if Rafa doesn't). After that, the possibility of going to Wolves and getting back to Euro League football has to be very tempting. I'm not up to speed on whether West Ham are still after him, but even that has to be more appealing in reuniting with Pellegrini (he had great success under him at Malaga scoring 25 goals in 67 games). I'd put signing a new contract at WBA just above the idea of going to Fenerbahce, who won't even be in Euro competition next season.

From the outside looking in scooping someone with the kind of productivity he had last season (12 goals and 7 assists in 33 appearances in all competitions) for 16.5 million is shrewd business, and the release clause puts WBA at a disadvantage as far as trying to persuade him to sign new contract (if that's what the club wanted, which I don't believe it is).

And I'm with you in that I'm not totally thrilled about being in Jacko's camp, but the idea that Newcastle plays attacking football is misguided. Admittedly it came as a shock to me just how defensive in his approach Rafa is. That being said yes, there was definitely a noticeable difference between the support Rondon got in the attack with NUFC last season than what he got in his 3 years here. So the support was better but it was still mostly counter-attacking football and more conservative than anything else (i.e.: all 11 players on defense when the opposing team had a corner kick). Also NUFC's roster last season wasn't significantly better than what WBA had while in their last few seasons in the PL (sans Almiron joining last winter, he's really something), they just had a better identity when it came to attacking.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 12, 2019, 10:27:48 PM
I hate this thread, I find myself continually agreeing with Jacko 😂

Rondon is a very good striker, Newcastle are not the new Barcelona .
And there seems to be a “if he plays next year we lose him for free” fear....not if he signs a new deal we don’t...what if he signed a new deal that if we don’t go up we accept 5m for him and if we do his rate is adjusted to 19m
Win win....for both...and he would get 30-35 in the champ

I know the handball rules have been changed for next season, but I didn't know the goals in the championship had widened to the length of pitch,  as that is the only way he might get 30-35 goals.

I would like to know also how many of his 7 assists last season were due to him missing and the ball just falling to somene who knew where the net was.

He's a mercenary who should be sold ASAP, especially after the interviews he gave after joining on Newcastle on loan last summer, no gratitude for the chance we have him to play in the prem and the massive wedge he took from us and his role in the relegation, just spouting rubbish like he'd just escaped Frizel's cellar.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on June 12, 2019, 10:49:47 PM
I rate the guy but he won’t be staying so this debate is futile really. I could never imagine him scoring 30 plus goals though, not a chance.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 09:13:31 AM
I know the handball rules have been changed for next season, but I didn't know the goals in the championship had widened to the length of pitch,  as that is the only way he might get 30-35 goals.

I would like to know also how many of his 7 assists last season were due to him missing and the ball just falling to somene who knew where the net was.

He's a mercenary who should be sold ASAP, especially after the interviews he gave after joining on Newcastle on loan last summer, no gratitude for the chance we have him to play in the prem and the massive wedge he took from us and his role in the relegation, just spouting rubbish like he'd just escaped Frizel's cellar.

Why is he a mercenary ? I cannot find any comments that were out of order.

Rondon said West Brom would "forever be in my heart" but was "honoured to be joining one of the biggest clubs in the Premier League and a team whose fanbase and history are well known the world over".

Thats from the BBC website, whats wrong with it? Newcastle are a massive club.

Him leaving was in our best interests as well as his as it got his wages off the bill, you might not rate the bloke or even like him (have you met him to decide on whether you like him or not ?) but I cannot see anywhere where he disrespected us or acted like a mercenary.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 12:37:54 PM
Why is he a mercenary ? I cannot find any comments that were out of order.

Rondon said West Brom would "forever be in my heart" but was "honoured to be joining one of the biggest clubs in the Premier League and a team whose fanbase and history are well known the world over".

Thats from the BBC website, whats wrong with it? Newcastle are a massive club.

Him leaving was in our best interests as well as his as it got his wages off the bill, you might not rate the bloke or even like him (have you met him to decide on whether you like him or not ?) but I cannot see anywhere where he disrespected us or acted like a mercenary.


Here's one for you:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/salomon-rondon-wants-permanent-newcastle-15044025

No mention of gratitude there, and sounds like he was desperate to get out, and taking no responsibility in his part of the relegation. I don't believe this conjecture that he didn't have a relegation clause as imo jp would never have allowed it.

So he could have sounded grateful then imo.

He just  wanted to maintain a prem salary.

After that he didn't score then got injured and gave that interview (probably at the insistence of his agent) knowing he might have to come back if things didn't turn out good for him.

Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 13, 2019, 12:46:48 PM
Here's one for you:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/salomon-rondon-wants-permanent-newcastle-15044025

No mention of gratitude there, and sounds like he was desperate to get out, and taking no responsibility in his part of the relegation. I don't believe this conjecture that he didn't have a relegation clause as imo jp would never have allowed it.

So he could have sounded grateful then imo.

He just  wanted to maintain a prem salary.

After that he didn't score then got injured and gave that interview (probably at the insistence of his agent) knowing he might have to come back if things didn't turn out good for him.

Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.

To be fair to Rondon, he doesn’t have any editorial rights or clout on what aspects of an interview he he gave are published.

This was a local reporter from the North East who has no interest in what Rondon thinks of Albion, he is just writing the best story he can for his local audience, Newcastle fans
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 13, 2019, 02:35:00 PM
Here's one for you:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/salomon-rondon-wants-permanent-newcastle-15044025

No mention of gratitude there, and sounds like he was desperate to get out, and taking no responsibility in his part of the relegation. I don't believe this conjecture that he didn't have a relegation clause as imo jp would never have allowed it.

So he could have sounded grateful then imo.

He just  wanted to maintain a prem salary.

After that he didn't score then got injured and gave that interview (probably at the insistence of his agent) knowing he might have to come back if things didn't turn out good for him.

Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.
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I have moved for more money every time I've changed jobs all through my working life and suggest that anybody with a modicum of common sense would do the same.
Nothing to do with being a mercenary.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on June 13, 2019, 02:37:37 PM
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I have moved for more money every time I've changed jobs all through my working life and suggest that anybody with a modicum of common sense would do the same.
Nothing to do with being a mercenary.

I think it was me called him a mercenary first, but I only meant in the way almost all players now are, it's their job, so it wasn't meant that harshly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 02:56:11 PM
Here's one for you:

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/salomon-rondon-wants-permanent-newcastle-15044025

No mention of gratitude there, and sounds like he was desperate to get out, and taking no responsibility in his part of the relegation. I don't believe this conjecture that he didn't have a relegation clause as imo jp would never have allowed it.

So he could have sounded grateful then imo.

He just  wanted to maintain a prem salary.

After that he didn't score then got injured and gave that interview (probably at the insistence of his agent) knowing he might have to come back if things didn't turn out good for him.

Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.

Eden Hazard has moved for more money each time so is he a mercenary or just someone looking to better himself?

Why would you move for less money when football is a short career? Of course he wanted to maintain his salary which would have happened if he stayed here if reports are true that there was no wage drop clause, if true then its was in our interests as well as his to move him on. You might not believe and we'll probably never know but didn't Chadli also not have a wage drop clause?

You say Peace wouldn't allow it? Sometimes its the only way to get players in to agree to their demands and there was a slight change at times under Pulis.

That link is from a North East newspaper so it will be full of things about Newcastle and won't mention us as up there they couldn't care less about us yet you ignore the BBC link I put on that said this club will be forever in his heart, very selective aren't you?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 03:43:42 PM
Eden Hazard has moved for more money each time so is he a mercenary or just someone looking to better himself?

Why would you move for less money when football is a short career? Of course he wanted to maintain his salary which would have happened if he stayed here if reports are true that there was no wage drop clause, if true then its was in our interests as well as his to move him on. You might not believe and we'll probably never know but didn't Chadli also not have a wage drop clause?

You say Peace wouldn't allow it? Sometimes its the only way to get players in to agree to their demands and there was a slight change at times under Pulis.

That link is from a North East newspaper so it will be full of things about Newcastle and won't mention us as up there they couldn't care less about us yet you ignore the BBC link I put on that said this club will be forever in his heart, very selective aren't you?

No, I have mentioned "that" interview you mention and not ignored it and stated my opinion about it, so not selective at all!

It's good you try to defend his Newcastle paper interview, that's your choice and your opinion, but it would be a very risky strategy from a failing newspaper industry reporter to miss out Albion loving quotes made by Rondon, and risk alienating access to him, more likely Rondon says what he needs to say to maintain his earning potential.

I have no doubt he'd join Bournemouth if the money was more and he doesn't care about the size of the club, which in my eyes is mercenary and in your eyes is someone who wants to better themselves.

But, I am WBA fan so my views are based on what happens there and I don't care about a player wanting to better themselves, as my only concern is WBA bettering themselves, and the disloyalty of the likes of Rondon and Foster is something I don't like.

I've got my own sh++ list of players who have gone on frees like Whyte, Hunt and Gera who have cost the club big money in taking that stance (a situation that can be avoided as seen by Delph at Vile who was on a free but signed a new contract with them with a clause that they got back what they paid for him when he left Leeds to join them and then moved to City) and in my eyes it is disloyalty and in your eyes it is them bettering themselves. They were all great players for the Albion, but once do that they go right down in my opinion.

My opinion is just different from yours, that's all.

It'll be interesting to see if he doesn't get his perm move (which I hope he does) and he goes for a free next year, what the views will be on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 04:02:46 PM
No, I have mentioned "that" interview you mention and not ignored it and stated my opinion about it, so not selective at all!

It's good you try to defend his Newcastle paper interview, that's your choice and your opinion, but it would be a very risky strategy from a failing newspaper industry reporter to miss out Albion loving quotes made by Rondon, and risk alienating access to him, more likely Rondon says what he needs to say to maintain his earning potential.

I have no doubt he'd join Bournemouth if the money was more and he doesn't care about the size of the club, which in my eyes is mercenary and in your eyes is someone who wants to better themselves.

But, I am WBA fan so my views are based on what happens there and I don't care about a player wanting to better themselves, as my only concern is WBA bettering themselves, and the disloyalty of the likes of Rondon and Foster is something I don't like.

I've got my own sh++ list of players who have gone on frees like Whyte, Hunt and Gera who have cost the club big money in taking that stance (a situation that can be avoided as seen by Delph at Vile who was on a free but signed a new contract with them with a clause that they got back what they paid for him when he left Leeds to join them and then moved to City) and in my eyes it is disloyalty and in your eyes it is them bettering themselves. They were all great players for the Albion, but once do that they go right down in my opinion.

My opinion is just different from yours, that's all.

It'll be interesting to see if he doesn't get his perm move (which I hope he does) and he goes for a free next year, what the views will be on here.

Obviously if you are only selecting certain sections and not looking around then you are being selective. I haven't defended him at all, I just pointed out another part where he praised us, there is also a comment in the Birmingham Mail where he praised us but a Newcastle based paper couldn't care less about it and why should they, our local papers would do exactly the same -

“We did really well under Darren Moore. In the last few games we only lost the last one, but we went down to the Championship. The only positive thing for me over the past three years was when I arrived in the Premier League the supporters made me feel like I was at home, to be honest.

“I remember my first game against Manchester City and they sung to me. It was an amazing feeling. It was a dream to come to the Premier League and that was a beautiful moment for me as a footballer. But the way last season went was very tough.”


At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had.

I also don't remember him downing tools last Summer or throwing toys out like Chadli or Dawson or making comments as soon as we went down like Foster or making the comments about staying the press and then telling the manager he wanted to leave like Robinson did. Those could be classed as mercenarys.

I fully expect him to go this Summer as the club need his wages off the wage bill, whether he goes out on loan again or a permanent deal he will be gone.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 04:37:27 PM
Obviously if you are only selecting certain sections and not looking around then you are being selective. I haven't defended him at all, I just pointed out another part where he praised us, there is also a comment in the Birmingham Mail where he praised us but a Newcastle based paper couldn't care less about it and why should they, our local papers would do exactly the same -

“We did really well under Darren Moore. In the last few games we only lost the last one, but we went down to the Championship. The only positive thing for me over the past three years was when I arrived in the Premier League the supporters made me feel like I was at home, to be honest.

“I remember my first game against Manchester City and they sung to me. It was an amazing feeling. It was a dream to come to the Premier League and that was a beautiful moment for me as a footballer. But the way last season went was very tough.”


At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had.

I also don't remember him downing tools last Summer or throwing toys out like Chadli or Dawson or making comments as soon as we went down like Foster or making the comments about staying the press and then telling the manager he wanted to leave like Robinson did. Those could be classed as mercenarys.

I fully expect him to go this Summer as the club need his wages off the wage bill, whether he goes out on loan again or a permanent deal he will be gone.

The fact that the Newcastle article states he was training on his own, doesn't imply what he did behind the scenes.

He did exactly the same as Foster imo,  the difference being nobody was prepared to pay the release clause.

So I don't see how you can label the others you named as mercenaries, but not rondon.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 04:44:27 PM
The fact that the Newcastle article states he was training on his own, doesn't imply what he did behind the scenes.

He did exactly the same as Foster imo,  the difference being nobody was prepared to pay the release clause.

So I don't see how you can label the others you named as mercenaries, but not rondon.

Quite easy, Foster said as soon as we went down he wanted out. Robinson says in the press he wants to stay, RDM's first day he doesn't say morning gaffer, he just says I want to leave.

As for Rondon it clearly states - And Rondon also says that the uncertainty over the protracted negotiations left him in limbo – with West Brom putting him on a different training schedule and keeping him out of pre-season games on the understanding that a move would happen. therefore stating that THE CLUB put him training on his own so not the same as him doing it himself or refusing to climb hills like Chadli or Dawson not going on a tour.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 04:55:04 PM
Quite easy, Foster said as soon as we went down he wanted out. Robinson says in the press he wants to stay, RDM's first day he doesn't say morning gaffer, he just says I want to leave.

As for Rondon it clearly states - And Rondon also says that the uncertainty over the protracted negotiations left him in limbo – with West Brom putting him on a different training schedule and keeping him out of pre-season games on the understanding that a move would happen. therefore stating that THE CLUB put him training on his own so not the same as him doing it himself or refusing to climb hills like Chadli or Dawson not going on a tour.

So basically, you are saying that he didn't say he wanted out behind the scenes and that is your opinion.

You see him as loyal, I see him as a mercenary who was glad to be in the promised land of tv money.

The comments you yourself quoted above mentions him being happy to be coming to the Premier league, etc, etc and doesn't mention anything about coming to us.

You also defended him as stating it was a short career, well it's a lot longer than the poor so and so's who graft to put the £70k reported he was on, in his pocket.



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 05:45:10 PM
So basically, you are saying that he didn't say he wanted out behind the scenes and that is your opinion.

You see him as loyal, I see him as a mercenary who was glad to be in the promised land of tv money.

The comments you yourself quoted above mentions him being happy to be coming to the Premier league, etc, etc and doesn't mention anything about coming to us.

You also defended him as stating it was a short career, well it's a lot longer than the poor so and so's who graft to put the £70k reported he was on, in his pocket.

I didn't say I saw him as loyal, I also didn't state he was a mercenary as you have claimed, you stated

Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.

I have no idea about his early career except that his first club was in his home country and therefore like 99% of players in a country in South America he will join a club in Europe if offered the chance. No idea why he left Las Palmas but possibly as Malaga were in a higher division but I do know why he left Malaga as the Sheikh who brought them basically stopped putting money in hence why they have gone from a club competing in the Champions League to a club now trying to get out of the second division. I watch a lot of Malaga games when I can hence why I was happy when we signed him. So again nothing to do with him being a mercenary, the fact is his club could not afford him or any of the other big names they had signed.

I have no idea why he left one club in Russia for another as I know nothing about Russian football but he joined us just over 12 months after joining Zenit as clubs had to cut down the number of foreign players, the fee when he joined us was also less than his club paid for him so who knows if he took a pay cut to come to us, you may know and be able to tell us.

Hardly the career of a mercenary. Yes it is a short career but his wages are more likely to be coming from Sky TV than us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 13, 2019, 07:42:22 PM
I know the handball rules have been changed for next season, but I didn't know the goals in the championship had widened to the length of pitch,  as that is the only way he might get 30-35 goals.

I would like to know also how many of his 7 assists last season were due to him missing and the ball just falling to somene who knew where the net was.

He's a mercenary who should be sold ASAP, especially after the interviews he gave after joining on Newcastle on loan last summer, no gratitude for the chance we have him to play in the prem and the massive wedge he took from us and his role in the relegation, just spouting rubbish like he'd just escaped Frizel's cellar.
A mercenary ...in the same mould as Dwight Gayle ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 08:47:30 PM
I didn't say I saw him as loyal, I also didn't state he was a mercenary as you have claimed, you stated

Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.

I have no idea about his early career except that his first club was in his home country and therefore like 99% of players in a country in South America he will join a club in Europe if offered the chance. No idea why he left Las Palmas but possibly as Malaga were in a higher division but I do know why he left Malaga as the Sheikh who brought them basically stopped putting money in hence why they have gone from a club competing in the Champions League to a club now trying to get out of the second division. I watch a lot of Malaga games when I can hence why I was happy when we signed him. So again nothing to do with him being a mercenary, the fact is his club could not afford him or any of the other big names they had signed.

I have no idea why he left one club in Russia for another as I know nothing about Russian football but he joined us just over 12 months after joining Zenit as clubs had to cut down the number of foreign players, the fee when he joined us was also less than his club paid for him so who knows if he took a pay cut to come to us, you may know and be able to tell us.

Hardly the career of a mercenary. Yes it is a short career but his wages are more likely to be coming from Sky TV than us.

Given he'll be guided by an agent, who wants the most as he gets 10%, do you honestly think he moves for lower wages when he moves?

If he left his last club for a lower wage to come to us, I am sure he and his agent would have got the difference from them before committing to us.

Just like Gayle did when signing a new contract at Newcastle before coming to us. They look after themselves first, we just help to pay their wages at the club and through sky and BT.

So given the definition of a mercenary I would argue most players are this way.

You get the rare occasion like collins ripping up his vile contract after injuring himself (worse luck for us as they got mings then), but the rest like Rodwell will want all their contract paid up and wouldn't care what the financial position of the club was, and I am not saying that is wrong, just that but I don't believe we are in his heart like he claims.

If a player wants a nomadic mercenary career, that is his perogative but I don't have to like it.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 09:02:37 PM
Given he'll be guided by an agent, who wants the most as he gets 10%, do you honestly think he moves for lower wages when he moves?

If he left his last club for a lower wage to come to us, I am sure he and his agent would have got the difference from them before committing to us.

Just like Gayle did when signing a new contract at Newcastle before coming to us. They look after themselves first, we just help to pay their wages at the club and through sky and BT.

So given the definition of a mercenary I would argue most players are this way.

You get the rare occasion like collins ripping up his vile contract after injuring himself (worse luck for us as they got mings then), but the rest like Rodwell will want all their contract paid up and wouldn't care what the financial position of the club was, and I am not saying that is wrong, just that but I don't believe we are in his heart like he claims.

If a player wants a nomadic mercenary career, that is his perogative but I don't have to like it.

Name a player that voluntarily moves for less money when they are beginning and going through their career not coming to the end?

You claimed "Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary."

I explained why he left Malaga and why he left Zenit, please explain how either of them make him a mercenary as I am baffled by your comments ?

I also said "who knows if he took a pay cut to come here" as I don't know, I do know Russian clubs paid stupid money at one time, whether that has ended I don't know but like any player who does not request a move the clubs have to pay their contracts up or negotiate a deal with the player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 13, 2019, 09:08:32 PM
Given he'll be guided by an agent, who wants the most as he gets 10%, do you honestly think he moves for lower wages when he moves?

If he left his last club for a lower wage to come to us, I am sure he and his agent would have got the difference from them before committing to us.

Just like Gayle did when signing a new contract at Newcastle before coming to us. They look after themselves first, we just help to pay their wages at the club and through sky and BT.

So given the definition of a mercenary I would argue most players are this way.

You get the rare occasion like collins ripping up his vile contract after injuring himself (worse luck for us as they got mings then), but the rest like Rodwell will want all their contract paid up and wouldn't care what the financial position of the club was, and I am not saying that is wrong, just that but I don't believe we are in his heart like he claims.

If a player wants a nomadic mercenary career, that is his perogative but I don't have to like it.
The career of a football is a short and therefore they all look to earn as much money as possible to live off post playing days.
he’s doing a job, he’s being paid to do it, and just like 99% of the population he will want to be paid as much as possible to do it, I highly doubt anyone in any profession tends to move for less money and I doubt anyone would turn down a pay rise to go and do an identical job for another company. If another company we’re going to offer you a 50% pay rise to go and work for them 99% of people would take it, are they all mercenaries? Why is it acceptable for everyone else but not footballers?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 09:17:37 PM
Name a player that voluntarily moves for less money when they are beginning and going through their career not coming to the end?

You claimed "Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary."

I explained why he left Malaga and why he left Zenit, please explain how either of them make him a mercenary as I am baffled by your comments ?

I also said "who knows if he took a pay cut to come here" as I don't know, I do know Russian clubs paid stupid money at one time, whether that has ended I don't know but like any player who does not request a move the clubs have to pay their contracts up or negotiate a deal with the player.

The definition of mercenary is:

mercenary
/ˈməːsɪn(ə)ri/
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adjective
1.
primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

I believe in the instances of Delph and Collins I have demonstrated players who haven't acted in a mercenary manner.

You keep believing Rondon isn't a mercenary and I'll keep on believing he is and he doesn't give 2 hoots about us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 09:20:39 PM
The career of a football is a short and therefore they all look to earn as much money as possible to live off post playing days.
he’s doing a job, he’s being paid to do it, and just like 99% of the population he will want to be paid as much as possible to do it, I highly doubt anyone in any profession tends to move for less money and I doubt anyone would turn down a pay rise to go and do an identical job for another company. If another company we’re going to offer you a 50% pay rise to go and work for them 99% of people would take it, are they all mercenaries? Why is it acceptable for everyone else but not footballers?

I didn't say it is unacceptable nor did I say other people don't do it, he can choose to do what he wants, but he doesn't have to feed us the bull that we are in his hearts after he got out as quick as he could.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 09:26:05 PM
The definition of mercenary is:

mercenary
/ˈməːsɪn(ə)ri/
 Learn to pronounce
adjective
1.
primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

I believe in the instances of Delph and Collins I have demonstrated players who haven't acted in a mercenary manner.

You keep believing Rondon isn't a mercenary and I'll keep on believing he is and he doesn't give 2 hoots about us.

No I don't believe he is, he may not give two hoots about us, not many players do, do I care? not one bit.

As for your comment to NathWBA and getting out as quick as he could, he was way behind Foster who told the dressing room he wanted out as soon as we were down or Robinson and I think it was Kamara who told Mowbray they wanted out after the playoff against Derby, beat that for speed.

Read the article you posted which said "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme suggesting the club wanted him oout as well which is purely to get his wages off the wage bill.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 17GD on June 13, 2019, 09:41:24 PM
I may be wrong, but to me the situation is simple.

Rondon is still our player and will be starting next season in the Championship unless Newcastle or Wolves pay the sum we ask. Or anyone else for that matter. I read that a European team are offering him big bucks to leave, but if they don't pay WBA the rate they're asking, he's going nowhere.

Who knows... Perhaps he may like that we've brought Slav in and decide to stay. He would do well in this league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 09:42:26 PM
No I don't believe he is, he may not give two hoots about us, not many players do, do I care? not one bit.

As for your comment to NathWBA and getting out as quick as he could, he was way behind Foster who told the dressing room he wanted out as soon as we were down or Robinson and I think it was Kamara who told Mowbray they wanted out after the playoff against Derby, beat that for speed.

Read the article you posted which said "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme suggesting the club wanted him oout as well which is purely to get his wages off the wage bill.

That article is written from an interview he gave, do you think all players tell the truth in interviews or do they try to further their own reputation. He was hardly going to say I wanted out ASAP and trained on my own to force my way out.

We know what he has said, but we don't know what the club's version of events is.

Never heard about Kamara doing that before, but as far as we know he could have done a defoe and asked to leave the day after relegation and it was kept quiet to keep his value up.

I don't believe everything I read, and as was demonstrated by the morrison had a option in his favour it is seldom accurate.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
That article is written from an interview he gave, do you think all players tell the truth in interviews or do they try to further their own reputation. He was hardly going to say I wanted out ASAP and trained on my own to force my way out.

We know what he has said, but we don't know what the club's version of events is.

Never heard about Kamara doing that before, but as far as we know he could have done a defoe and asked to leave the day after relegation and it was kept quiet to keep his value up.

I don't believe everything I read, and as was demonstrated by the morrison had a option in his favour it is seldom accurate.

You linked an article that stated "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme. If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli. The club needed the money off the wage bill so were obviously more than happy to let him go as they will be this Summer.

You are the one banging on about him being a mercenary with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 10:11:05 PM
You linked an article that stated "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme. If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli. The club needed the money off the wage bill so were obviously more than happy to let him go as they will be this Summer.

You are the one banging on about him being a mercenary with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

So because you didn't read about or heard about it couldn't have happened?

The club kept Berahino's drug ban secret to retain his value.
If the club and the agent decide to keep something quiet it won't come out.

The article I posted is his version of events IN HIS WORDS, and was WHAT he said, that doesn't make it the truth.

Like I said before, he is no different to Foster imo, other than that nobody paid his release clause.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 13, 2019, 10:19:19 PM
I didn't say it is unacceptable nor did I say other people don't do it, he can choose to do what he wants, but he doesn't have to feed us the bull that we are in his hearts after he got out as quick as he could.
so what is your issue?
"Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary."
he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.

But you don’t have an issue with him moving for more money so why repeatedly have a dig at him about it?
 You’ve made the assumption that he played up for a move out of the club and asked for it despite there being no evidence to suggest this at all.
You don’t want him to say any “bull” that we are in his heart so what is he meant to say?
you moaned that he didn’t show any gratitude to the club in an interview conducted with him about his move to Newcastle by a Newcastle paper but choose not to accept his message on twitter to the fans and the club?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
So because you didn't read about or heard about it couldn't have happened?

The club kept Berahino's drug ban secret to retain his value.
If the club and the agent decide to keep something quiet it won't come out.

The article I posted is his version of events IN HIS WORDS, and was WHAT he said, that doesn't make it the truth.

Like I said before, he is no different to Foster imo, other than that nobody paid his release clause.

I said "If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli" and I do maintain that as things these days have a habit of creeping out as they did when Foster was saying one thing to the press and another about leaving to the club. I find it hard to believe that it would not come out about Rondon if he had thrown a wobbler. As I have stated the club wanted and needed him out just as much due to the wage bill but you seem to be ignoring that part. The talks with Newcastle were going on for a while which is probably why they created that separate training plan for him given that the article YOU posted is dated 17th August and it states from the player himself that he first heard of the interest 2 months before that which would have been before the players came back for pre-season training.

So again, how is he a mercenary? You have stated about his moves throughout his career being due to him being a mercenary.

How you can compare him to Berahino and the drug case I will never know.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 10:37:22 PM
I said "If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli" and I do maintain that as things these days have a habit of creeping out as they did when Foster was saying one thing to the press and another about leaving to the club. I find it hard to believe that it would not come out about Rondon if he had thrown a wobbler. As I have stated the club wanted and needed him out just as much due to the wage bill but you seem to be ignoring that part. The talks with Newcastle were going on for a while which is probably why they created that separate training plan for him given that the article YOU posted is dated 17th August and it states from the player himself that he first heard of the interest 2 months before that which would have been before the players came back for pre-season training.

So again, how is he a mercenary? You have stated about his moves throughout his career being due to him being a mercenary.

How you can compare him to Berahino and the drug case I will never know.

I referred to the drug case as an example it not being released to the public in the press, no other comparison.

And again his career and nomadic existence demonstrates his mercanary tendencies imo.

You continue to hold others as mercanries and I'll continue to class him as one too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 13, 2019, 10:59:55 PM
This is like one of those nights in a pub, with a group of blokes arguing about something that you struggle to takes sides on. Well, I’m off to the bar for a refill, being as I’m the only one drinking while listening, and if I’m not back in 20 minutes, I’ve either got lucky with the barmaid, or sidled off to another pub.  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 11:12:01 PM
I referred to the drug case as an example it not being released to the public in the press, no other comparison.

And again his career and nomadic existence demonstrates his mercanary tendencies imo.

You continue to hold others as mercanries and I'll continue to class him as one too.

The drug case cannot be compared regardless of your example of it not being released, those sort of things will always be kept quiet and I would guess only a handful actually knew the real reasons.

I'm struggling to see where I hold anyone as mercenaries. I said you could "class" them as mercenaries but not called anyone one and am still awaiting why Rondon is a mercenary given you claim he has moved for more money each time (as well all aim to do in our working life when we change jobs) despite me telling you why he left Malaga (along with all the name players they signed under the current ownership when he stopped putting money in hence their drop from Champions League football to Laliga 123) and why he left Zenit which was well publicised when he joined us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 11:13:15 PM
This is like one of those nights in a pub, with a group of blokes arguing about something that you struggle to takes sides on. Well, I’m off to the bar for a refill, being as I’m the only one drinking while listening, and if I’m not back in 20 minutes, I’ve either got lucky with the barmaid, or sidled off to another pub.  ;D

 :D I'm going back to watch the telly in a minute so I won't be replying tonight so might be a case of nothing to see for a while
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2019, 11:33:00 PM
Just out of interest how has Sal been unethical? A key indicator in the definition of mercenary behaviour.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 13, 2019, 11:40:56 PM
:D I'm going back to watch the telly in a minute so I won't be replying tonight so might be a case of nothing to see for a while
Wrong. Some bloke called Jacko has turned up, so looking like it could kick off any moment now. The barmaids not interested, so I’ve ordered a taxi.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnnyg on June 13, 2019, 11:53:33 PM
I referred to the drug case as an example it not being released to the public in the press, no other comparison.

And again his career and nomadic existence demonstrates his mercanary tendencies imo.

You continue to hold others as mercanries and I'll continue to class him as one too.

Shovel, and hole, is starting to come to mind as to how you are structuring your argument.
Stop digging man. Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 14, 2019, 12:49:01 AM
The drug case cannot be compared regardless of your example of it not being released, those sort of things will always be kept quiet and I would guess only a handful actually knew the real reasons.

I'm struggling to see where I hold anyone as mercenaries. I said you could "class" them as mercenaries but not called anyone one and am still awaiting why Rondon is a mercenary given you claim he has moved for more money each time (as well all aim to do in our working life when we change jobs) despite me telling you why he left Malaga (along with all the name players they signed under the current ownership when he stopped putting money in hence their drop from Champions League football to Laliga 123) and why he left Zenit which was well publicised when he joined us.

The Berahino drug test was kept secret to retain his transfer value, that why Stoke complained about not knowing about it after his purchase.

The club employs swain, an ex employee of the local press who can dictate whatever is written and the desperate local hacks, grateful for a job in publishing aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.

What CLEARLY, the Newcastle article tells us he was training on his own.

He says the club arranged that, the club has not commented on it.

It would not be in the club's interests to reveal he had kicked off and demanded a transfer because of the ensuing bad publicity (eg my example of defoe's transfer request earlier).

They wanted to retain his value and not have him painted as disruptive.

Furthermore, I didn't need you to tell me about Malaga's problems as I knew about them, and again Rondon jumped ship there, as he did at Rubin Kazan too.

He stays at a club for an average 2 seasons, if that show he is mercenary in nature nothing will.

So tell me do you actually believe a footballer can be mercenary or do you believe it only applies to guns for hire?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 14, 2019, 08:50:41 AM
Wolves have pulled out of the race to sign West Brom and Venezuela striker Salomon Rondon, 29, because of the cost of the deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 09:10:49 AM
The Berahino drug test was kept secret to retain his transfer value, that why Stoke complained about not knowing about it after his purchase.

The club employs swain, an ex employee of the local press who can dictate whatever is written and the desperate local hacks, grateful for a job in publishing aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.

What CLEARLY, the Newcastle article tells us he was training on his own.

He says the club arranged that, the club has not commented on it.

It would not be in the club's interests to reveal he had kicked off and demanded a transfer because of the ensuing bad publicity (eg my example of defoe's transfer request earlier).

They wanted to retain his value and not have him painted as disruptive.

Furthermore, I didn't need you to tell me about Malaga's problems as I knew about them, and again Rondon jumped ship there, as he did at Rubin Kazan too.

He stays at a club for an average 2 seasons, if that show he is mercenary in nature nothing will.

So tell me do you actually believe a footballer can be mercenary or do you believe it only applies to guns for hire?

If you think Berahino is the only player where something is kept quiet and out of the press then I would 100% say you are mistaken, sometimes its in the clubs interest to keep it quiet and other times it does the club a favour in getting rid of the player, again there is no comparison to this.

So if you knew about Malagas problems then you would know why Rondon and others left the club, nothing to do with jumping ship, the club could not afford to continue paying the wages they were paying, many players they had signed on big wages had to leave. I have no idea why he left Rubin Kazan but his club received more money than they paid for him yet when he then left Zenit to come here it was for less money as again his club had to sell which was highly publicised when he joined us.

Now instead of asking me if I believe a footballer can be a mercenary and the answer is yes, do I think Rondon is? no I don't, answer the question of why Rondon is a mercenary and what he has actually done wrong as we're still waiting?

You also made a comment about him not saying anything about us in the report you linked but as pointed out he did say a few thinks on Twitter -

Salomón Rondón
✔
@salorondon23
The Baggies fans will forever be in my heart. They made me feel at home from day one & I'll be eternally grateful for how they supported my family and I. Playing at the Hawthorns and giving my all for @WBA has been one of the best experiences of my life. I wish you all the best.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 14, 2019, 09:37:04 AM
In my experience few people, voluntarily, leave a job for another at less money, unless there is a promise of some description to progress or future promotion in the offing. So, I guess that makes quiet a few of us mercenaries.

I know in my working life I’ve nearly always gone to the employer prepared to pay me a higher salary and the best package, you have to look after your own interest as no one else will.

I’ve left places and had leaving do’s and thanked colleagues for there support, friendship and comradeship, which meant a lot to me, but I’ve still left and still remember them with fondness, that is possible in case anyone was wondering.

So, I admit it, “I’m a mercenary” too, welcome to the club Sol, whose membership is expanding as I type.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on June 14, 2019, 10:04:17 AM
Modern footballers see themselves as a self-contained business - their image rights etc and therefore loyalty to clubs basically falls down to pay and enjoyment which is probably how the vast majority of the world works? The difference years ago was that the clubs had power and therefore loyalty meant security. These days the power is with players and therefore we just have to accept that and make sure we pay players well (without being silly) and to ensure they enjoy playing here..........Rondon is no different. He always worked his socks off for us which is more than some who have been paid just as well if not better in the past
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: phbaggies on June 14, 2019, 10:55:45 AM
I'm not really getting in to the debate of Rondon being a mercenary BUT..... he did (by all accounts) spit his dummy last Jan when his dream move to China was blocked by the club!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on June 14, 2019, 11:50:07 AM
I would love him to stay, think he would stand out a mile in the Championship. Maybe not in terms of goals, can't see him getting 20+, even at that level but, his all round game would terrorise Champ defenders.
Can't see it in a million years though, so just have to get every penny we can for him and invest in a target man with 20+ potential.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 12:55:56 PM
I'm not really getting in to the debate of Rondon being a mercenary BUT..... he did (by all accounts) spit his dummy last Jan when his dream move to China was blocked by the club!!!  ;D

I've lost the will to live so i've give up :D

But he didn't down tools and refuse to play, got on with it.

Perfect example of a mercenary for me- Nicolas Anelka or Emmanuel Adebayor, made careers out of it and very big bank accounts
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: phbaggies on June 14, 2019, 01:57:40 PM
I've lost the will to live so i've give up :D

But he didn't down tools and refuse to play, got on with it.

Perfect example of a mercenary for me- Nicolas Anelka or Emmanuel Adebayor, made careers out of it and very big bank accounts
Some just threaten to leave to get more money and it works a treat, Ramos for example!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 14, 2019, 03:04:00 PM
If you think Berahino is the only player where something is kept quiet and out of the press then I would 100% say you are mistaken, sometimes its in the clubs interest to keep it quiet and other times it does the club a favour in getting rid of the player, again there is no comparison to this.

So if you knew about Malagas problems then you would know why Rondon and others left the club, nothing to do with jumping ship, the club could not afford to continue paying the wages they were paying, many players they had signed on big wages had to leave. I have no idea why he left Rubin Kazan but his club received more money than they paid for him yet when he then left Zenit to come here it was for less money as again his club had to sell which was highly publicised when he joined us.

Now instead of asking me if I believe a footballer can be a mercenary and the answer is yes, do I think Rondon is? no I don't, answer the question of why Rondon is a mercenary and what he has actually done wrong as we're still waiting?

You also made a comment about him not saying anything about us in the report you linked but as pointed out he did say a few thinks on Twitter -

Salomón Rondón
✔
@salorondon23
The Baggies fans will forever be in my heart. They made me feel at home from day one & I'll be eternally grateful for how they supported my family and I. Playing at the Hawthorns and giving my all for @WBA has been one of the best experiences of my life. I wish you all the best.

I didn't say Berahino is the only player where the stuff hasn't come, out  I said the exact opposite, that there is a lot of stuff that doesn't come out if the club and the player/agent don't want it to come out, and that Rondon training on his own indicates to me that something did happen, whether you read about it on newsnow or not.

Furthermore, you stated that his contract may not have had a flex down clause because that was the only way to get him to sign. This article to suggests it did, and it appears JP didn't change his stance on those, but gave relegation release clauses instead from what happened with Evans and Chadli:

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/25/west-brom-players-face-50-pay-cut-if-relegated/

You seem to think we wanted him out and he did us a favour by going, then why not Jrod too and the others who wanted out.

I don't believe it was because we badly wanted Gayle, just that he was available and we needed a replacement for Rondon as he wanted out, and from what was reported at the time we got him and a £2m loan fee in the swap for Rondon, it appeared a great deal, but then Dowling said we paid a loan fee for Gayle recently. So here the press got it wrong again, and we don't know what it really cost us to get Gayle as it was also reported he signed a new £55k a week at newcastle before agreeing to join us.

So depending on if we paid all of Gayle's wages or even a 2 thirds he would have cost us more in wages than Rondon after his £70k was halved.

Rondon had a release clause and no one matched it so his only other option to get his reported £70k was to go out on loan or take £35k with us and try and get us out the sh11 he helped put us in.

He chose the former.

So you think Anelka and Adebayor are mercenaries but Rondon isn't, I wager that is because you read about those in the press, but you haven't heard/read anything about Rondon, but like I said we don't know what goes on at the club, only what they and the club agent/player choose to release. I'd also argue like you state about Rondon's move from kazan to zenit that he went for a bigger fee, so did Anelka and Adebayor, in Anelka's if memory serves me right, when he went from a £500k Arsenal signing to Real Madrid it was a profit of about £25m or thereabouts, and also another massive profit when Adebayor went to Man City.

Like them he stays around for a couple of seasons and continues his nomadic, mercenary lifestyle.

For all we know he is just another Van Hooijdonk behind the scenes with an agent who doesn't use the press to instigate a move.

If it came out he was on strike or anything then we'd have a player with one year left on his contract and other clubs would know he wanted out badly and would offer stupidly low bids to try and get him as we'd be between a rock and a hard place.

Stupid bids which Newcastle have already tried by saying they would only loan us Murphy if we agreed to loan rondon to them next season knowing that he was on a free then.




Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 14, 2019, 04:14:16 PM
West Ham have reportedly ended their interest in West Brom striker Salomon Rondon.

The striker is being heavily linked with moves away, as he has been since last summer, joining Newcastle on-loan for the entirety of last season.

Reports on the continent now claim that the Hammers are no longer interested in the striker, with Newcastle the favourites to sign him permanently.

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/2019/06/14/transfer-rumours-june-14/
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 04:58:07 PM
I didn't say Berahino is the only player where the stuff hasn't come, out  I said the exact opposite, that there is a lot of stuff that doesn't come out if the club and the player/agent don't want it to come out, and that Rondon training on his own indicates to me that something did happen, whether you read about it on newsnow or not.

Furthermore, you stated that his contract may not have had a flex down clause because that was the only way to get him to sign. This article to suggests it did, and it appears JP didn't change his stance on those, but gave relegation release clauses instead from what happened with Evans and Chadli:

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/25/west-brom-players-face-50-pay-cut-if-relegated/

You seem to think we wanted him out and he did us a favour by going, then why not Jrod too and the others who wanted out.

I don't believe it was because we badly wanted Gayle, just that he was available and we needed a replacement for Rondon as he wanted out, and from what was reported at the time we got him and a £2m loan fee in the swap for Rondon, it appeared a great deal, but then Dowling said we paid a loan fee for Gayle recently. So here the press got it wrong again, and we don't know what it really cost us to get Gayle as it was also reported he signed a new £55k a week at newcastle before agreeing to join us.

So depending on if we paid all of Gayle's wages or even a 2 thirds he would have cost us more in wages than Rondon after his £70k was halved.

Rondon had a release clause and no one matched it so his only other option to get his reported £70k was to go out on loan or take £35k with us and try and get us out the sh11 he helped put us in.

He chose the former.

So you think Anelka and Adebayor are mercenaries but Rondon isn't, I wager that is because you read about those in the press, but you haven't heard/read anything about Rondon, but like I said we don't know what goes on at the club, only what they and the club agent/player choose to release. I'd also argue like you state about Rondon's move from kazan to zenit that he went for a bigger fee, so did Anelka and Adebayor, in Anelka's if memory serves me right, when he went from a £500k Arsenal signing to Real Madrid it was a profit of about £25m or thereabouts, and also another massive profit when Adebayor went to Man City.

Like them he stays around for a couple of seasons and continues his nomadic, mercenary lifestyle.

For all we know he is just another Van Hooijdonk behind the scenes with an agent who doesn't use the press to instigate a move.

If it came out he was on strike or anything then we'd have a player with one year left on his contract and other clubs would know he wanted out badly and would offer stupidly low bids to try and get him as we'd be between a rock and a hard place.

Stupid bids which Newcastle have already tried by saying they would only loan us Murphy if we agreed to loan rondon to them next season knowing that he was on a free then.

I was mentioning you banging on and comparing Berahino to Rondon, there is no comparision, one was a druggie and one was not. You keep going off on tangents to try to make some sort of justification about something and to be honest you're losing me as i'm losing the will to live.

Yes I did state he may not have had a flex down clause as I don't know but it does also state 4 players have release clauses, one of which may be Rondon but that release clause may also have a set price which was not met hence the club wanting him out as much as he wants to leave. Haven't mentioned Gayle at all so another tangent.

JRod wanted to leave but was happy to stay as the club had supported him throughout the Bong issues and stated he would not make a big deal of it hence we seem to have agreed to let him go at a reduced price this Summer, again no comparison.

Anelka and Adebayor are football mercenaries, no I don't rely on reading the press but thats for presuming. Not sure how you can again compare the career of Rondon to those 2 either, as for Van Hooijdonk his stories again were well publicised.

Did Rondon refuse to train or go on strike?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 14, 2019, 05:13:05 PM
I didn't say Berahino is the only player where the stuff hasn't come, out  I said the exact opposite, that there is a lot of stuff that doesn't come out if the club and the player/agent don't want it to come out, and that Rondon training on his own indicates to me that something did happen, whether you read about it on newsnow or not.

Furthermore, you stated that his contract may not have had a flex down clause because that was the only way to get him to sign. This article to suggests it did, and it appears JP didn't change his stance on those, but gave relegation release clauses instead from what happened with Evans and Chadli:

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/25/west-brom-players-face-50-pay-cut-if-relegated/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/25/west-brom-players-face-50-pay-cut-if-relegated/)

You seem to think we wanted him out and he did us a favour by going, then why not Jrod too and the others who wanted out.

I don't believe it was because we badly wanted Gayle, just that he was available and we needed a replacement for Rondon as he wanted out, and from what was reported at the time we got him and a £2m loan fee in the swap for Rondon, it appeared a great deal, but then Dowling said we paid a loan fee for Gayle recently. So here the press got it wrong again, and we don't know what it really cost us to get Gayle as it was also reported he signed a new £55k a week at newcastle before agreeing to join us.

So depending on if we paid all of Gayle's wages or even a 2 thirds he would have cost us more in wages than Rondon after his £70k was halved.

Rondon had a release clause and no one matched it so his only other option to get his reported £70k was to go out on loan or take £35k with us and try and get us out the sh11 he helped put us in.

He chose the former.

So you think Anelka and Adebayor are mercenaries but Rondon isn't, I wager that is because you read about those in the press, but you haven't heard/read anything about Rondon, but like I said we don't know what goes on at the club, only what they and the club agent/player choose to release. I'd also argue like you state about Rondon's move from kazan to zenit that he went for a bigger fee, so did Anelka and Adebayor, in Anelka's if memory serves me right, when he went from a £500k Arsenal signing to Real Madrid it was a profit of about £25m or thereabouts, and also another massive profit when Adebayor went to Man City.

Like them he stays around for a couple of seasons and continues his nomadic, mercenary lifestyle.

For all we know he is just another Van Hooijdonk behind the scenes with an agent who doesn't use the press to instigate a move.

If it came out he was on strike or anything then we'd have a player with one year left on his contract and other clubs would know he wanted out badly and would offer stupidly low bids to try and get him as we'd be between a rock and a hard place.

Stupid bids which Newcastle have already tried by saying they would only loan us Murphy if we agreed to loan rondon to them next season knowing that he was on a free then.


What a hill to die on...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 14, 2019, 05:23:17 PM
I just hope someone comes in for him soon. This is getting too much.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 14, 2019, 05:43:29 PM
I just hope someone comes in for him soon. This is getting too much.

Which one, Oldbury, Balis or Rondon?  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 05:48:12 PM
Which one, Oldbury, Balis or Rondon?  ;D

Sooner the better, i'm getting headache from banging it against the wall  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 14, 2019, 06:02:28 PM
I was mentioning you banging on and comparing Berahino to Rondon, there is no comparision, one was a druggie and one was not. You keep going off on tangents to try to make some sort of justification about something and to be honest you're losing me as i'm losing the will to live.

Yes I did state he may not have had a flex down clause as I don't know but it does also state 4 players have release clauses, one of which may be Rondon but that release clause may also have a set price which was not met hence the club wanting him out as much as he wants to leave. Haven't mentioned Gayle at all so another tangent.

JRod wanted to leave but was happy to stay as the club had supported him throughout the Bong issues and stated he would not make a big deal of it hence we seem to have agreed to let him go at a reduced price this Summer, again no comparison.

Anelka and Adebayor are football mercenaries, no I don't rely on reading the press but thats for presuming. Not sure how you can again compare the career of Rondon to those 2 either, as for Van Hooijdonk his stories again were well publicised.

Did Rondon refuse to train or go on strike?

There are no tangents, which appear to be trying to create.

For the umpteenth time I have not said there is any comparison between Berahino and his drug ban and rondon.

I said that EXAMPLE, shows any story can be suppressed if the desire is there, that is all.

Gayle, I mentioned to say that he had potentially cost us more in wages than rondon after his flex down.

So given that Adebayor and Anelka didn't go on strike, what is the difference between them and rondon's career trajectory?

He moves club every 2 years or so like them.

Regarding Jrod. I read the same newsnow pages as you, but if the club were desperate to get rondon's wages off the table why not jrod's too?

Maybe they wanted to keep both.

Again just because you didn't read about, doesn't mean it didn't happen, he was training on his own, and whatever he threatened or didn't threaten doesn't ALWAYS, come out in the press.

Furthermore, pay me £70k a week for 2 years and I will send anybody any message on Facebook, knowing that if I flop I can come back to at best £70k again or at worst £35k.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 07:24:36 PM
There are no tangents, which appear to be trying to create.

For the umpteenth time I have not said there is any comparison between Berahino and his drug ban and rondon.

I said that EXAMPLE, shows any story can be suppressed if the desire is there, that is all.

Gayle, I mentioned to say that he had potentially cost us more in wages than rondon after his flex down.

So given that Adebayor and Anelka didn't go on strike, what is the difference between them and rondon's career trajectory?

He moves club every 2 years or so like them.

Regarding Jrod. I read the same newsnow pages as you, but if the club were desperate to get rondon's wages off the table why not jrod's too?

Maybe they wanted to keep both.

Again just because you didn't read about, doesn't mean it didn't happen, he was training on his own, and whatever he threatened or didn't threaten doesn't ALWAYS, come out in the press.

Furthermore, pay me £70k a week for 2 years and I will send anybody any message on Facebook, knowing that if I flop I can come back to at best £70k again or at worst £35k.

I'm not going off on tangents, this is about Rondon not Berahino as you brought up with no comparison at all, Berahino's actions were kept quiet as they were drug issues, I would hazard a guess there will be other players around the world whos action are kept quiet for various reasons which is not easy to do these days.

If Dawson and Chadli refusing to do things are well known then why not about Rondon? It stated in the articles that talks began 2 months before the date of the article you linked (17th August) which takes it back to June that Newcastle were interested therefore it was in the clubs interest to keep him away from any danger of injury to get his wages off the bill, we do know from another article you linked 4 players had release clauses, only issue was it seems no one triggered any of those fees with the exception of Evans who's was stupidly low. If it had been triggered then I guess Rondon would be gone on a permanent deal as I would expect JRod but no-one met the trigger.

Maybe the club did want to keep both, who knows, maybe they were prepared to let one go and the interest in Rondon was more valuable than that of JRod.

Not interested in Gayle as this is about Rondon and your false claims about him jumping ship each time which he hasn't done. Again, he left Malaga when the club had issues after the owner stopped putting money in as again they needed to axe the big wage earners. He left Zenit to come here after clubs had to reduce the number of foreign players, again well publicised.

Adebayor was fined by Spurs for refusing to go on a tour , isn't that basically going on strike ? Anelka has had well publicised issues at times with clubs, not sure i've ever seen Rondon linked with the same issues.



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 14, 2019, 08:35:08 PM
I'm not going off on tangents, this is about Rondon not Berahino as you brought up with no comparison at all, Berahino's actions were kept quiet as they were drug issues, I would hazard a guess there will be other players around the world whos action are kept quiet for various reasons which is not easy to do these days.

If Dawson and Chadli refusing to do things are well known then why not about Rondon? It stated in the articles that talks began 2 months before the date of the article you linked (17th August) which takes it back to June that Newcastle were interested therefore it was in the clubs interest to keep him away from any danger of injury to get his wages off the bill, we do know from another article you linked 4 players had release clauses, only issue was it seems no one triggered any of those fees with the exception of Evans who's was stupidly low. If it had been triggered then I guess Rondon would be gone on a permanent deal as I would expect JRod but no-one met the trigger.

Maybe the club did want to keep both, who knows, maybe they were prepared to let one go and the interest in Rondon was more valuable than that of JRod.

Not interested in Gayle as this is about Rondon and your false claims about him jumping ship each time which he hasn't done. Again, he left Malaga when the club had issues after the owner stopped putting money in as again they needed to axe the big wage earners. He left Zenit to come here after clubs had to reduce the number of foreign players, again well publicised.

Adebayor was fined by Spurs for refusing to go on a tour , isn't that basically going on strike ? Anelka has had well publicised issues at times with clubs, not sure i've ever seen Rondon linked with the same issues.

Again, just because you have not heard about it, it does not mean he didn't force the issue.

You can defend him however much you want he is no different from the 2 players you named.

You keep on mentioning Malaga, but what about his other moves?

He moves whenever he is offered more elsewhere.

It's been mentioned by another poster he spat his dummy out when his China move was thwarted by TP,  so just because you didn't read about what happened for him to get  his move doesn't mean nothing went on.

There is no distinction between the 2 you class as mercenaries and Rondon other than he couldn't lace either boot when it came to being goalscorer.


I read that article last, and I felt he was ungrateful and a mercenary and he also that the clue he was training on his own suggested something went on.

But, here you have him training on his own.

He could have done fitness training with rest and not take part in any contact later into their preparations.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 08:44:23 PM
Again, just because you have not heard about it, it does not mean he didn't force the issue.

You can defend him however much you want he is no different from the 2 players you named.

You keep on mentioning Malaga, but what about his other moves?

He moves whenever he is offered more elsewhere.

It's been mentioned by another poster he spat his dummy out when his China move was thwarted by TP,  so just because you didn't read about what happened for him to get  his move doesn't mean nothing went on.

There is no distinction between the 2 you class as mercenaries and Rondon other than he couldn't lace either boot when it came to being goalscorer.


I read that article last, and I felt he was ungrateful and a mercenary and he also that the clue he was training on his own suggested something went on.

But, here you have him training on his own.

He could have done fitness training with rest and not take part in any contact later into their preparations.

His other moves, firstly he like 99% of South America players moved to Europe so I guess in your mind they are all mercenaries, he moved from Las Palmas to Malaga which I guess was a step up so must be a mercenary. He left Malaga as explained to join Rubin, he left those I have no idea why possibly step up as Zenit are a big club, he left them as stated as they had to reduce the number of foreign players.

He moves whenever he is offered more money ? well he's not going to agree to less is he? name a player that would?

Yep, he probably was upset when he couldn't move to China, didn't down tools though and was in the team all the way through it.

Again, if he had refused to train we would know, not much is kept quiet these days hence we know about Foster and Robinson saying one thing in the press and other things away from the press.

He obviously wasn't training on his own the whole while if he took part in a couple of friendlies.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 14, 2019, 09:08:18 PM
His other moves, firstly he like 99% of South America players moved to Europe so I guess in your mind they are all mercenaries, he moved from Las Palmas to Malaga which I guess was a step up so must be a mercenary. He left Malaga as explained to join Rubin, he left those I have no idea why possibly step up as Zenit are a big club, he left them as stated as they had to reduce the number of foreign players.

He moves whenever he is offered more money ? well he's not going to agree to less is he? name a player that would?

Yep, he probably was upset when he couldn't move to China, didn't down tools though and was in the team all the way through it.

Again, if he had refused to train we would know, not much is kept quiet these days hence we know about Foster and Robinson saying one thing in the press and other things away from the press.

He obviously wasn't training on his own the whole while if he took part in a couple of friendlies.

So what is the difference between the two you mention and Rondon,  other than what you read about the other 2 much more high profile players?

You keep believing what you want about him, and I will continue thinking of him as a mercenary who moves for a better offer at the drop of a hat, even after others stay to try to rectify the situation they crested.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 14, 2019, 09:08:36 PM
I am impressed that this back and forth has gone on for so long. If at least it were only entertaining.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 09:12:46 PM
I am impressed that this back and forth has gone on for so long. If at least it were only entertaining.

Welcome to my world, I am ready to give up, not because he has changed my mind or anything as he hasn't but purely because I am repeating myself over and over.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 09:16:05 PM
So what is the difference between the two you mention and Rondon,  other than what you read about the other 2 much more high profile players?

You keep believing what you want about him, and I will continue thinking of him as a mercenary who moves for a better offer at the drop of a hat, even after others stay to try to rectify the situation they crested.

We need new smileys on here.

I have stated more than once why he left Malaga for example and Zenit but you seem to be ignoring it. I also admire you if you are prepared to move to a new employer for less money.

Adebayor received a fine of I think it was £300k for refusing to go on a tour. Anelka had well publicised fall outs with more than one club but I guess its all hearsay.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 14, 2019, 09:40:26 PM
We need new smileys on here.

I have stated more than once why he left Malaga for example and Zenit but you seem to be ignoring it. I also admire you if you are prepared to move to a new employer for less money.

Adebayor received a fine of I think it was £300k for refusing to go on a tour. Anelka had well publicised fall outs with more than one club but I guess its all hearsay.

I have not ignored that malaga and zenit stuff at all. I have asked you about his other moves.

Plus, you agree about above he would move to Bournemouth, so the bigger club argument fails there.

When you read stuff in the papers, do you think you get the whole story about Adeboyor or Anelka?

I would say clubs, will release what they want to alienate a player from the fans and lessen the fans anger when they leave and players and their agents will release what they want to further their cause, like the release of the £3.5m Evans clause when he was try to get away in the winter window.

It is clear you see him as someone who has a short Career who should move on to better himself, that is your choice.

My opinion of him is different to yours.

You continue to lionise because he said thanks on Facebook or whatever and I continue to think of him as a mercenary who jumped ship ASAP to maintain his salary, rather than help us get back up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 14, 2019, 09:53:32 PM
Just wonder if someone like Aaron Ramsey is considered a mercenary? Wasn't offered the money he wanted, leaves club on a free to earn £400k a week at a better club. All the while he would quite happily have stayed at previous club for less money.

On one hand you could argue he's a mercenary, on one hand you could argue Arsenal stupid for not giving him £400k a week themselves, on another hand you can applaud for sticking to their principals.

What you can most certainly say is that Aaron Ramsey would have stayed at Arsenal for a lot less money than he is earning at Juventus. So the whole 'No footballer would turn down more money' argument goes out of the window right there.

There are plenty of mercenaries in football, it's a shame that people think Rondon is one of them based on fabrication.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2019, 10:04:09 PM
I have not ignored that malaga and zenit stuff at all. I have asked you about his other moves.

Plus, you agree about above he would move to Bournemouth, so the bigger club argument fails there.

When you read stuff in the papers, do you think you get the whole story about Adeboyor or Anelka?

I would say clubs, will release what they want to alienate a player from the fans and lessen the fans anger when they leave and players and their agents will release what they want to further their cause, like the release of the £3.5m Evans clause when he was try to get away in the winter window.

It is clear you see him as someone who has a short Career who should move on to better himself, that is your choice.

My opinion of him is different to yours.

You continue to lionise because he said thanks on Facebook or whatever and I continue to think of him as a mercenary who jumped ship ASAP to maintain his salary, rather than help us get back up.

I think I have answered everything more than once over and over, somewhere its not sinking in with you though.

No I don't believe everything I read in the papers.

Also the reason I posted the twitter comment was due to you stating he had not mentioned anything about the club or us and then you failing to acknowledge that a Newcastle based paper is only interested in Newcastle related stuff. I do not "lionise" any footballer and have not done since I was a kid which unfortunately was too many years ago.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on June 14, 2019, 11:50:33 PM
What's wrong with wanting to earn more money?
How many of us would change companies if offered thousands per week more for basically doing the same job and travelling the world as well.
Loyalty is for the very few.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 15, 2019, 12:38:06 AM
What's wrong with wanting to earn more money?
How many of us would change companies if offered thousands per week more for basically doing the same job and travelling the world as well.
Loyalty is for the very few.
Nothing really but we should remember that a lot of good people around the world do charitable work without any financial gain to themselves. I don't think Rondons a mercenary he's getting what he can while he can, any sportsman could pick up a career ending injury anytime.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 15, 2019, 02:15:57 PM
I think I have answered everything more than once over and over, somewhere its not sinking in with you though.

No I don't believe everything I read in the papers.

Also the reason I posted the twitter comment was due to you stating he had not mentioned anything about the club or us and then you failing to acknowledge that a Newcastle based paper is only interested in Newcastle related stuff. I do not "lionise" any footballer and have not done since I was a kid which unfortunately was too many years ago.

What's not sinking in, that I don't agree with you?

You started off, by saying he went to Newcastle a bigger club, I countered with he would have gone to Bournemouth if his wage went up, you agreed. So the bigger club argument goes out the window and you are left with he will move to the richer club who will pay his wage demands.

If a Newcastle paper only wrote stuff to do with them then why mention he was training on his own whilst at West brom?

Why would they select that bit only about us and miss out a thank you to us in the very unlikely event he said it to them, if he said it, that made him sound a grateful, good, humble person that would endear him to the Newcastle fans even more.

He thanked us for bringing him to the Premier league, you you posted.

Could it be he didn't give a flying f after he was there and back up to £70k?

Short career agreed, but it's not a career that should incapacitate him from having another career like Stuart Ripley (ex Blackburn) becoming a solicitor or John Wile becoming a car salesman or Ally Brown running the supporters club bar, etc, etc. After his football career he will be 35 and not even be middle aged so the world is his oyster.

I don't have a problem with him earning what he does for how long he does, but I as an Albion fan I expected him to be loyal and help get us back up after he helped take us down and one season on £35k a week was not going to starve him and his family for generations to come.

He is no different to the 2 players you have mentioned (BTW can you please provide a link to Adebayor going on strike at Spurs).

Either all 3 are mercanary carlos kickaballs or none of them are.

Just because you didn't read about a transfer request or this or that, doesn't mean he did instigate the move, and again I infer from his training alone he instigated it.

You obviously agree that there are mercanary footballers, but you don't include rondon in your list.

I do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 15, 2019, 02:26:17 PM
What's not sinking in, that I don't agree with you?

You started off, by saying he went to Newcastle a bigger club, I countered with he would have gone to Bournemouth if his wage went up, you agreed. So the bigger club argument goes out the window and you are left with he will move to the richer club who will pay his wage demands.

If a Newcastle paper only wrote stuff to do with them then why mention he was training on his own whilst at West brom?

Why would they select that bit only about us and miss out a thank you to us in the very unlikely event he said it to them, if he said it, that made him sound a grateful, good, humble person that would endear him to the Newcastle fans even more.

He thanked us for bringing him to the Premier league, you you posted.

Could it be he didn't give a flying f after he was there and back up to £70k?

Short career agreed, but it's not a career that should incapacitate him from having another career like Stuart Ripley (ex Blackburn) becoming a solicitor or John Wile becoming a car salesman or Ally Brown running the supporters club bar, etc, etc. After his football career he will be 35 and not even be middle aged so the world is his oyster.

I don't have a problem with him earning what he does for how long he does, but I as an Albion fan I expected him to be loyal and help get us back up after he helped take us down and one season on £35k a week was not going to starve him and his family for generations to come.

He is no different to the 2 players you have mentioned (BTW can you please provide a link to Adebayor going on strike at Spurs).

Either all 3 are mercanary carlos kickaballs or none of them are.

Just because you didn't read about a transfer request or this or that, doesn't mean he did instigate the move, and again I infer from his training alone he instigated it.

You obviously agree that there are mercanary footballers, but you don't include rondon in your list.

I do.


Rondon didn't have a flex down so he'd have been on £70k a week irrespective. This is where your argument falls apart.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on June 15, 2019, 02:43:27 PM
I'm not sure this thread is going anywhere right now, let's just sell him and spend the money on 2 or 3 prospects.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2019, 03:27:03 PM
What's not sinking in, that I don't agree with you?

You started off, by saying he went to Newcastle a bigger club, I countered with he would have gone to Bournemouth if his wage went up, you agreed. So the bigger club argument goes out the window and you are left with he will move to the richer club who will pay his wage demands.

If a Newcastle paper only wrote stuff to do with them then why mention he was training on his own whilst at West brom?

Why would they select that bit only about us and miss out a thank you to us in the very unlikely event he said it to them, if he said it, that made him sound a grateful, good, humble person that would endear him to the Newcastle fans even more.

He thanked us for bringing him to the Premier league, you you posted.

Could it be he didn't give a flying f after he was there and back up to £70k?

Short career agreed, but it's not a career that should incapacitate him from having another career like Stuart Ripley (ex Blackburn) becoming a solicitor or John Wile becoming a car salesman or Ally Brown running the supporters club bar, etc, etc. After his football career he will be 35 and not even be middle aged so the world is his oyster.

I don't have a problem with him earning what he does for how long he does, but I as an Albion fan I expected him to be loyal and help get us back up after he helped take us down and one season on £35k a week was not going to starve him and his family for generations to come.

He is no different to the 2 players you have mentioned (BTW can you please provide a link to Adebayor going on strike at Spurs).

Either all 3 are mercanary carlos kickaballs or none of them are.

Just because you didn't read about a transfer request or this or that, doesn't mean he did instigate the move, and again I infer from his training alone he instigated it.

You obviously agree that there are mercanary footballers, but you don't include rondon in your list.

I do.

Its not sinking in when you are being given valid reasons why he left both Malaga and Zenit, to you in those cases he is just a mercenary without you looking at the situations at those times, you are blinkered in your view on Rondon for some reason I am wondering if its a personal thing against him.

Yep, he would have gone to Bournemouth as they are a Premier League club, we are not, our club needed his wages off the bill and if Bourmemouth were the only club to come in for him then yep he'd be gone in a deal that suits us and him. If it didn't suit us he wouldn't be allowed to go as is the case with others who are still here and the fact Rondon only went on loan as non-one triggered the fea.

Again a Newcastle paper will print only what is relevant to them, they do not care if he wants to say goodbye to us, its of no interest to them at all whereas him training on a programme given to him by the club will be of interest.


Links can be found through the internet regarding other players, they were used as an example so I am sure you will; be able to find them.

Did you give this much stick to Foster or is it just Rondon  and who is Carlos Kickaballs ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 15, 2019, 03:55:28 PM
Its not sinking in when you are being given valid reasons why he left both Malaga and Zenit, to you in those cases he is just a mercenary without you looking at the situations at those times, you are blinkered in your view on Rondon for some reason I am wondering if its a personal thing against him.

Yep, he would have gone to Bournemouth as they are a Premier League club, we are not, our club needed his wages off the bill and if Bourmemouth were the only club to come in for him then yep he'd be gone in a deal that suits us and him. If it didn't suit us he wouldn't be allowed to go as is the case with others who are still here and the fact Rondon only went on loan as non-one triggered the fea.

Again a Newcastle paper will print only what is relevant to them, they do not care if he wants to say goodbye to us, its of no interest to them at all whereas him training on a programme given to him by the club will be of interest.


Links can be found through the internet regarding other players, they were used as an example so I am sure you will; be able to find them.

Did you give this much stick to Foster or is it just Rondon  and who is Carlos Kickaballs ?

Nothing personal against Rondon, I just see him in the same light you see Anelka and Adebayor (I couldn't find a link re his strike and that is why I asked you for your link of it please?).

You have have explained 2 of his moves, not the rest.

I then asked you about his others where you haven't explained his mercenary actions. You said he moved from kazan to zenit because they were bigger, but you accept he would move to Bournemouth too, so moving to the bigger club argument has little weight, don't you agree?

Why is he any different to the other two you mentioned other than that you have read about their more high profile bigger club players more?

They want higher wages, so does he, so please explain the difference between Anelka and Adebayor and Rondon.

Carlos Kickaball was name coined by Alan Sugar for mercanary players a few years ago.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 15, 2019, 06:29:34 PM
Nothing personal against Rondon, I just see him in the same light you see Anelka and Adebayor (I couldn't find a link re his strike and that is why I asked you for your link of it please?).

You have have explained 2 of his moves, not the rest.

I then asked you about his others where you haven't explained his mercenary actions. You said he moved from kazan to zenit because they were bigger, but you accept he would move to Bournemouth too, so moving to the bigger club argument has little weight, don't you agree?

Why is he any different to the other two you mentioned other than that you have read about their more high profile bigger club players more?

They want higher wages, so does he, so please explain the difference between Anelka and Adebayor and Rondon.

Carlos Kickaball was name coined by Alan Sugar for mercanary players a few years ago.

I think I have gone on about his previous moves more than once, maybe you failed to see those comments or chose to ignore them.

Not sure where I said he left one Russian club for another because they were bigger but I did say "I have no idea why he left Rubin Kazan but his club received more money than they paid for him"

Also you keep banging on about Bournemouth and again I quote what I actually said previously "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had."

Again, did you give this much stick to Foster or is just Rondon you have issues with ?

Also there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor if you look.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 15, 2019, 07:22:48 PM
Good luck to Salomon Rondon and Venezuela, who begin their Copa America 2019 campaign against Peru this evening.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 15, 2019, 07:32:51 PM
Roma are targeting Salomon Rondon to replace Edin Dzeko this summer.

Source: https://readwestbrom.com/2019/06/14/roma-target-rondon-to-replace-dzeko/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2019, 10:12:11 PM
Good luck to Salomon Rondon and Venezuela, who begin their Copa America 2019 campaign against Peru this evening.

Stuff him and Venezuela.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on June 15, 2019, 10:50:44 PM
Good luck to Salomon Rondon and Venezuela, who begin their Copa America 2019 campaign against Peru this evening.
why? I've got no loyalty to either and really couldn't care less about either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2019, 03:25:14 AM
I would like to echo Albionfans good luck to Sal and Venezuela.
Sal has done no wrong in my eyes and I hope he scores goals and guarantees that we get 16m for him!
Also the people of Venezuela need some light in their lives and if a cup run brings this - great
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 16, 2019, 09:11:20 AM
I would like to echo Albionfans good luck to Sal and Venezuela.
Sal has done no wrong in my eyes and I hope he scores goals and guarantees that we get 16m for him!
Also the people of Venezuela need some light in their lives and if a cup run brings this - great

Very well said and put. But some are to shortsighted to see these points
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 16, 2019, 10:14:19 AM
Stuff him and Venezuela.

Completely agree, shame the clubs official Twitter feed don't follow the same mindset.

Not sure what it is with Albion fans, way to much sentiment shown. Rondon was a big part of the reason why we got relegated. 24 goals in three years was in no way shape or form good enough and no amount of hard work and running around in circles changes that fact.

I don't recall Rondon wishing Albion good look at any point last season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 16, 2019, 10:48:05 AM
They want higher wages, so does he, so please explain the difference between Anelka and Adebayor and Rondon.

2 of them played for Real Madrid?

Supporters of this club have and will always blindly follow some players and chastise others no matter what. Rondon is just one of a number of players in recent times who has received completely unjust criticism.

Gareth Barry when he signed was going to be our Michael Carrick. His legs hadn't gone because he averaged some of the most miles per game recorded by someone the prior season. He was rubbish from the get go and his legs had gone and there was no pace there. Yet some people watched someone totally different to me... and I was fobbed off.

There are players who will always divide fans and ultimately you just have to accept a difference of opinion. Rondon does not fall into that category however and you only have to refer to how well so many different pundits spoke about him last season to realise this. Anyone who fails to appreciate his quality as a footballer simply has an agenda.

For those who say about him not declaring his undying love for the Albion, he's always come across as a very professional and private bloke who stays well out of the press. Total opposite of Ben Foster.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on June 16, 2019, 10:51:33 AM
Stuff him and Venezuela.

 ???
Surly even you can see if he plays well & scores goals it helps his price rise.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on June 16, 2019, 11:26:49 AM
???
Surly even you can see if he plays well & scores goals it helps his price rise.
Just as long as he doesn't get injured
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 16, 2019, 12:04:53 PM
Completely agree, shame the clubs official Twitter feed don't follow the same mindset.

Not sure what it is with Albion fans, way to much sentiment shown. Rondon was a big part of the reason why we got relegated. 24 goals in three years was in no way shape or form good enough and no amount of hard work and running around in circles changes that fact.

I don't recall Rondon wishing Albion good look at any point last season.


Exactly this. He amongst others contributed a significant amount in us getting relegated . Poor striker , sell him and move on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2019, 05:12:48 PM
???
Surly even you can see if he plays well & scores goals it helps his price rise.
Of course I can.
All I want is our club to do well out of his sale.
I'm not really bothered how well he or Venezuela do to be honest.
If he had any real allegiance to us he could of stayed last year, albeit on reduced wages.
Reducing his wages by 50% isn't like reducing our wages by 50%. A reduction like that on our wages would make a difference to our way of life. It wouldn't to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 16, 2019, 05:13:50 PM
RONDON IS NOT SUBJECT TO A WAGE FLEXDOWN!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2019, 05:16:39 PM
RONDON IS NOT SUBJECT TO A WAGE FLEXDOWN!!!!!!!!!

Even more reason for him not to jump ship then
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 16, 2019, 05:36:00 PM
Even more reason for him not to jump ship then

We need him gone just as much as he wants to go, £70k a week or so would give us another 4 or 5 players in this league
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 16, 2019, 11:29:02 PM
All of this talk about Rondon playing for us in the Championship is reduntant. Neither party want this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 17, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
I think I have gone on about his previous moves more than once, maybe you failed to see those comments or chose to ignore them.

Not sure where I said he left one Russian club for another because they were bigger but I did say "I have no idea why he left Rubin Kazan but his club received more money than they paid for him"

Also you keep banging on about Bournemouth and again I quote what I actually said previously "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had."

Again, did you give this much stick to Foster or is just Rondon you have issues with ?

Also there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor if you look.

You stated Zenit was possibly a step up as they are big club, to which I countered he'd move to Bournemouth if it meant he got paid more. I said Bournemouth because I don't think the size of the club comes in the equation with him, only the size of his pay. Bournemouth were not mentioned in any other context.

Yes, I did give this much stick to Foster and the rubbish he spouted about his kids supported Albion etc, etc.

Indeed, there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor. However, there is nothing to support what you say about the latter going on strike and refusing to go on tour at Spurs, that is why I ask you for a link please?

I could see your argument (though not agree with it) if you were saying no footballer should be classed as a mercenary as they are trying to better themselves, but you obviously don't believe this as you named two that you see as mercenaries.

My assertion, again, is there is no difference between the two you have name and Rondon.

Furthermore, I thought it was obvious that me mentioning the conduct of Delph (he could have increased his signing on fee by in theory the £8.5m paid in a fee to vile) and Collins (could have done a sick vic and just taken the money instead of ripping up the contract he signed at vile, were sufficient examples of players who have done more than just turned down bigger wages elsewhere. I would contend there are lots more who don't put money first and stay loyal and don't want to uprooting their family etc, etc.

If we had gone up would you have welcomed Rondon back, even though he'd done absolutely nothing to help us to get us out of the mess he'd helped put us in when were relegated?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 17, 2019, 04:47:56 PM
You stated Zenit was possibly a step up as they are big club, to which I countered he'd move to Bournemouth if it meant he got paid more. I said Bournemouth because I don't think the size of the club comes in the equation with him, only the size of his pay. Bournemouth were not mentioned in any other context.

Yes, I did give this much stick to Foster and the rubbish he spouted about his kids supported Albion etc, etc.

Indeed, there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor. However, there is nothing to support what you say about the latter going on strike and refusing to go on tour at Spurs, that is why I ask you for a link please?

I could see your argument (though not agree with it) if you were saying no footballer should be classed as a mercenary as they are trying to better themselves, but you obviously don't believe this as you named two that you see as mercenaries.

My assertion, again, is there is no difference between the two you have name and Rondon.

Furthermore, I thought it was obvious that me mentioning the conduct of Delph (he could have increased his signing on fee by in theory the £8.5m paid in a fee to vile) and Collins (could have done a sick vic and just taken the money instead of ripping up the contract he signed at vile, were sufficient examples of players who have done more than just turned down bigger wages elsewhere. I would contend there are lots more who don't put money first and stay loyal and don't want to uprooting their family etc, etc.

If we had gone up would you have welcomed Rondon back, even though he'd done absolutely nothing to help us to get us out of the mess he'd helped put us in when were relegated?

I am intrigued as to why it is only my comments you seem to have an issue with, maybe something deeper there than just Rondon ?

He left Malaga as explained to join Rubin, he left those I have no idea why possibly step up as Zenit are a big club is what I posted which also implies I have no idea. I also have no idea if Zenit are a bigger club as I know nothing about Russian football. Maybe his club received an offer and accepted it or are you implying he forced the move there as well ?

Again, re: Bournemouth I posted "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had.", the key thing there is Premier League club, we are not. I have no idea if Bournemouth pay better wages but they are a Premier League club and has been explained to you previously by others which again you seemed to gloss offer, he doesn't appear to have a wage reduction clause.

Would I welcome him back? not my decision so I don't get worked up either way? if he's here, he's here, if not he's not.

There are links around for other players if you look deep enough for them.

Do you not accept that the club wanted him out just as much as they need the wages off the bill and given his contract situation its in our interest just as much to let him go?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 17, 2019, 05:30:10 PM
I am intrigued as to why it is only my comments you seem to have an issue with, maybe something deeper there than just Rondon ?

He left Malaga as explained to join Rubin, he left those I have no idea why possibly step up as Zenit are a big club is what I posted which also implies I have no idea. I also have no idea if Zenit are a bigger club as I know nothing about Russian football. Maybe his club received an offer and accepted it or are you implying he forced the move there as well ?

Again, re: Bournemouth I posted "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had.", the key thing there is Premier League club, we are not. I have no idea if Bournemouth pay better wages but they are a Premier League club and has been explained to you previously by others which again you seemed to gloss offer, he doesn't appear to have a wage reduction clause.

Would I welcome him back? not my decision so I don't get worked up either way? if he's here, he's here, if not he's not.

There are links around for other players if you look deep enough for them.

Do you not accept that the club wanted him out just as much as they need the wages off the bill and given his contract situation its in our interest just as much to let him go?

I don't have the time to read every comment on here, and if some say you don't know anything if you don't think Rondon is a good player, what is the point in engaging with that person.

I have no idea what could be "deeper" than Rondon as I certainly haven't got an issue with you and we agreed a while back about Talksport being out of order when we were accused of racism and how they themselves had very few if any black presenters however, I don't agree with you on Rondon, and believe he is a footballing mercenary.

I provided the link which stated EVERY player had a flex down and to counter that 4 were allowed to leave because they had relegation with a set figure in them.

I don't think an unknown quantity, in prem terms, like Rondon was when we signed him could get JP to change his habits of a lifetime. If Jonny Evans, established prem player coming from a top prem club couldn't get full pay in tier 2, there is no way Rondon would have got it.

I believe there was a flex down clause, as has been with every player signed under JP, and I believe that him training alone suggests he played up behind the scenes to get out to maintain his £70k salary.

Furthermore, I cannot find anything to confirm EA went on strike, so he is no different from SR.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 17, 2019, 06:15:33 PM
I don't have the time to read every comment on here, and if some say you don't know anything if you don't think Rondon is a good player, what is the point in engaging with that person.

I have no idea what could be "deeper" than Rondon as I certainly haven't got an issue with you and we agreed a while back about Talksport being out of order when we were accused of racism and how they themselves had very few if any black presenters however, I don't agree with you on Rondon, and believe he is a footballing mercenary.

I provided the link which stated EVERY player had a flex down and to counter that 4 were allowed to leave because they had relegation with a set figure in them.

I don't think an unknown quantity, in prem terms, like Rondon was when we signed him could get JP to change his habits of a lifetime. If Jonny Evans, established prem player coming from a top prem club couldn't get full pay in tier 2, there is no way Rondon would have got it.

I believe there was a flex down clause, as has been with every player signed under JP, and I believe that him training alone suggests he played up behind the scenes to get out to maintain his £70k salary.

Furthermore, I cannot find anything to confirm EA went on strike, so he is no different from SR.


There have been comments from others in this thread stating Rondon does not have a flexdown so who knows if he does or doesn't but fact is he and others are still here because no-one met their release clauses. Also for the sake of repeating myself and boring everyone further with others there were plenty of reports that they were paying up, Dawson, Chadli amongst them and also Foster but nothing about Rondon and your link again states the club put him on a programme and he also figured in friendlies so hardly the actions of someone refusing to do something and again things have a habit of coming out of the club, in fact it was from inside that the Foster stories about him wanting out originated not the press.

Aren't all non UK players unknown quantites in prem terms though ? to sign him when we did was considered a bit of a coup at the time and we only got him due to new rules in Russia limiting the number of foreign players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 18, 2019, 04:14:01 PM

There have been comments from others in this thread stating Rondon does not have a flexdown so who knows if he does or doesn't but fact is he and others are still here because no-one met their release clauses. Also for the sake of repeating myself and boring everyone further with others there were plenty of reports that they were paying up, Dawson, Chadli amongst them and also Foster but nothing about Rondon and your link again states the club put him on a programme and he also figured in friendlies so hardly the actions of someone refusing to do something and again things have a habit of coming out of the club, in fact it was from inside that the Foster stories about him wanting out originated not the press.

Aren't all non UK players unknown quantites in prem terms though ? to sign him when we did was considered a bit of a coup at the time and we only got him due to new rules in Russia limiting the number of foreign players.

They are unknown quanties and better players than him have failed in the prem, that is why I don't think JP would have given him a long contract without a flexdown, as (heaven fordid) if we had a dinglesque demise to the third tier there is no way he would have allowed him to get £70k there. So if he was injury prone like sick vic or mozza and you couldn't attract a bid for him we'd be paying £70k in tier 3? No chance Peace would have agreed that.

I didn't say he refused to do anything. I think he asked to leave as per his relegation clause and couldn't be persuaded to stay (like Jrod and Gibbs) and then the club had no choice but to let him leave. That's what I read into him training alone.

I think you said he could have been training alone to prevent him getting injured, but then you said he played in the friendlies, which contradicts that.

When he writes his poundland destined autobiography we'll maybe find out the truth.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 18, 2019, 05:12:23 PM
They are unknown quanties and better players than him have failed in the prem, that is why I don't think JP would have given him a long contract without a flexdown, as (heaven fordid) if we had a dinglesque demise to the third tier there is no way he would have allowed him to get £70k there. So if he was injury prone like sick vic or mozza and you couldn't attract a bid for him we'd be paying £70k in tier 3? No chance Peace would have agreed that.

I didn't say he refused to do anything. I think he asked to leave as per his relegation clause and couldn't be persuaded to stay (like Jrod and Gibbs) and then the club had no choice but to let him leave. That's what I read into him training alone.

I think you said he could have been training alone to prevent him getting injured, but then you said he played in the friendlies, which contradicts that.

When he writes his poundland destined autobiography we'll maybe find out the truth.


Again things changed when Pulis came in and we are not privy to contract discussions between club and players.

It does sound like a contradiction but its not, the club could have kept him out to avoid him getting injured and then involved him to force the issue with Newcastle as he did only play for I think 10 minutes in one game and was an unused sub in another.

As for the flexdown we will not know 100% either way unless someone comes out and states it but he's still our player as with the others like Dawson and JRod because no-one met the fee to trigger a move.

Even if an autobiography is issued we may never know depending if a confidentiality clause is signed upon his transfer as happens with managers.

It was in the clubs interested to get him off the wage bill just as much as he wanted to leave
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BalisPen on June 18, 2019, 05:27:28 PM


It was in the clubs interested to get him off the wage bill just as much as he wanted to leave

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Not if there was a flex down and like I said before getting Gayle could have cost us more as we could have had to pay £55k for him and only £35k for SR after the flex down.

Like you have said everyone is bored with this.

You have your opinion of him and I have mine.

We both agree we should sell him asap for £16.5m and let's hope it is very soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 18, 2019, 06:00:58 PM

It was in the clubs interested to get him off the wage bill just as much as he wanted to leave



Not if there was a flex down and like I said before getting Gayle could have cost us more as we could have had to pay £55k for him and only £35k for SR after the flex down.

Like you have said everyone is bored with this.

You have your opinion of him and I have mine.

We both agree we should sell him asap for £16.5m and let's hope it is very soon.

Can't argue with the last bit so we'll leave it there to avoid boring others any further  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on June 18, 2019, 06:14:45 PM
I don't think we'll get £16.5m for Rondon. He's on his last season and agents and clubs know that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: section5 on June 18, 2019, 06:16:31 PM
Am I missing something with all the hate to Rondon? Not sure what the lads done too wrong to be honest. Played majority of his football with us under negative,drab clueless managers and always gave 100%. Yes he missed chances and yes that clearly knocked his confidence but he's always been a good servant to us cant think of any strops ( apart from one with pulis or under pulis when he took his shirt off and threw it in the tunnel (not sure if I've said the rumour completely correctly just can't remember the exact incident)). Hopefully we can do something with Gayle if that move is potentially back on or somewhat viable now Slaven is here. Good luck for next season Salomon wherever it may be
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on June 19, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
I have no problems with players moving on or wanting to move on, for whatever reasons.  At the end of the day this is just a job to them.  I am sure most of us would not turn their nose up at moving to a different company on more money.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on June 19, 2019, 03:31:22 PM
I have no problems with players moving on or wanting to move on, for whatever reasons.  At the end of the day this is just a job to them.  I am sure most of us would not turn their nose up at moving to a different company on more money.

Agreed. As long as they are professional I don't have a problem. Dawson being a prime example, excellent for us and had a good year last season despite lots of unjustified stick for wanting a move back to the PL - his header that almost got us to Wembley.  I've given Rondon loads of stick for his awful form in 2017/18 but I don't hold it against him for wanting a transfer. That's football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: phbaggies on June 19, 2019, 03:40:36 PM
Agreed. As long as they are professional I don't have a problem. Dawson being a prime example, excellent for us and had a good year last season despite lots of unjustified stick for wanting a move back to the PL - his header that almost got us to Wembley.  I've given Rondon loads of stick for his awful form in 2017/18 but I don't hold it against him for wanting a transfer. That's football.
Mate, Dawson was dogsh*t for 90% of last season and thats why he got abuse, at fault for so many goals it was untrue!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 19, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
Agreed. As long as they are professional I don't have a problem. Dawson being a prime example, excellent for us and had a good year last season despite lots of unjustified stick for wanting a move back to the PL - his header that almost got us to Wembley.  I've given Rondon loads of stick for his awful form in 2017/18 but I don't hold it against him for wanting a transfer. That's football.
He went on strike FFS.  You may have no problem with a multimillionaire who we made take the p1ss out of the club but some of us don't take too kindly to it.  Rondon has more class and ability in his little toe than Dawson ever has.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on June 19, 2019, 04:34:01 PM
He went on strike FFS.  You may have no problem with a multimillionaire who we made take the p1ss out of the club but some of us don't take too kindly to it.  Rondon has more class and ability in his little toe than Dawson ever has.

Dawson played 43 games last season - not very good at going on strike.
I can’t share your hysteria. Dawson has consistently been one of our best players over the last 5 years and played outside his preferred central role for years without kicking off. I’ve no problem with him and thought his form last season was decent.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on June 24, 2019, 12:38:58 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySports_Keith/status/1143119460582268928


Keith Downie
‏Verified account @SkySports_Keith

BREAKING: Rafa Benítez and Newcastle United have parted company after they failed to agree a new contract. NUFC Now looking for a new boss.


Odds of Rondon going to NUFC could be over.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 24, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySports_Keith/status/1143119460582268928


Keith Downie
‏Verified account @SkySports_Keith

BREAKING: Rafa Benítez and Newcastle United have parted company after they failed to agree a new contract. NUFC Now looking for a new boss.

Odds of Rondon going to NUFC could be over.

In football, as in most walks of life, being in the right place at the right time is everything when searching for a Head Coach and / or player. I wonder?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiemart on June 24, 2019, 01:31:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SkySports_Keith/status/1143119460582268928


Keith Downie
‏Verified account @SkySports_Keith

BREAKING: Rafa Benítez and Newcastle United have parted company after they failed to agree a new contract. NUFC Now looking for a new boss.


Odds of Rondon going to NUFC could be over.

No Rondon to Newcastle means no Gayle to us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on June 24, 2019, 01:39:05 PM
No Rondon to Newcastle means no Gayle to us.


He was never coming to us. I don't know why people keep going on about it. It won't make it happen, it's not going to happen!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiemart on June 24, 2019, 02:01:42 PM

He was never coming to us. I don't know why people keep going on about it. It won't make it happen, it's not going to happen!

there was always a possiblity as long as the Rondon deal was on the table but no way now.

He will be snapped up by another championship side such as  Fulham and then deliver 20+ goals for them guaranteed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 24, 2019, 03:01:11 PM
there was always a possiblity as long as the Rondon deal was on the table but no way now.

He will be snapped up by another championship side such as  Fulham and then deliver 20+ goals for them guaranteed.

I imagine Newcastle will want to bring in a striker before loaning out Gayle again and they'll have to bring in a manager first. With only 6 weeks to go until the close of the window, I fancy he'll be staying at Newcastle now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 25, 2019, 12:01:48 AM
Reading the E&S Dowling says that as the weeks go on the bids might get bigger for Rondon. what does this mean because I've read a few times on here that he has a release clause of a certain value.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/990240188?-11200:789

"There is interest in Salomon and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t," said Dowling. “He’s had a good season with Newcastle – a year as a centre-forward and we all know what that means to Newcastle supporters.

“His season was the right way around, rather than starting great and fading, he finished the season really strongly.

“So if we do want to sell him that’s great for us but we’re anticipating as the weeks go on that the offers made for him might get bigger.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 25, 2019, 12:19:41 AM
Reading the E&S Dowling says that as the weeks go on the bids might get bigger for Rondon. what does this mean because I've read a few times on here that he has a release clause of a certain value.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/990240188?-11200:789

"There is interest in Salomon and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t," said Dowling. “He’s had a good season with Newcastle – a year as a centre-forward and we all know what that means to Newcastle supporters.

“His season was the right way around, rather than starting great and fading, he finished the season really strongly.

“So if we do want to sell him that’s great for us but we’re anticipating as the weeks go on that the offers made for him might get bigger.
I think although he has a release clause nobody is bidding it yet, probably hoping to get him below that level. As the weeks go by teams maybe become a little more desperate and eventually bid the release clause or at least closer to it than has been bid up to now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on June 25, 2019, 12:44:04 AM
I think the situation with Newcastle is quite straight forward Rondon won't be going there now that Benetiz has left. With regard to the fee it is capped at the release clause but that won't stop clubs trying to lowball us on it. Ultimately this is a game of chicken and it is one that if as reported his wages don't flex down that we can't afford to lose so somewhere in the next 6 weeks he will be sold.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 25, 2019, 01:04:04 AM
Reading the E&S Dowling says that as the weeks go on the bids might get bigger for Rondon. what does this mean because I've read a few times on here that he has a release clause of a certain value.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/990240188?-11200:789

"There is interest in Salomon and I’d be surprised if there wasn’t," said Dowling. “He’s had a good season with Newcastle – a year as a centre-forward and we all know what that means to Newcastle supporters.

“His season was the right way around, rather than starting great and fading, he finished the season really strongly.

“So if we do want to sell him that’s great for us but we’re anticipating as the weeks go on that the offers made for him might get bigger.

This got my attention too. What I read between the lines is: 1) they're not getting offers that are activating the clause but instead offers below the 16.5 million, and 2) they're going to sell him regardless at the highest bidder if the bids only come below the 16.5 million because A) they're not interested in paying his wages, and B) they rather get some sort of fee in return for letting go of him now than getting nothing for it if he leaves on a free in the winter or later.

The silver lining here would be if the fee gets put back into the transfer budget. Can only hope.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on June 25, 2019, 07:02:16 AM
Transfer insider says Newcastle still keen on Salomon Rondon despite Rafa Benitez exit

WARNING! Daily Star article

Source: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/787650/Newcastle-transfer-news-Salomon-Rondon-Rafa-Benitez-West-Brom?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on June 25, 2019, 08:14:13 AM
There's always a chance he plays his last season with us in the Championship if no one bites for him - or we possibly sell him to an obscure location such as China or USA.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiemart on June 25, 2019, 09:32:27 AM

This could have been a good deal if its correct

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/787729/West-Ham-Salomon-Rondon-bid-transfer-news-latest
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 25, 2019, 09:38:32 AM
It's easy to work out from Dowling's comments that Rondon will be sold in the summer whether its for his release clause of simply to the highest bidder.

I can see him going for around 10/12 million near the end of the window to be honest, the tricky thing is how do the club deal with him once he's back from international duty.

Is he to train with the first team or left on his own to train whilst we find a new club, its clear that we have no intentions of using him this season so would seem bizarre to give him pre season game time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 25, 2019, 09:50:19 AM
This could have been a good deal if its correct

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/787729/West-Ham-Salomon-Rondon-bid-transfer-news-latest

I would have been happy with that deal to be honest. Would cover us with another striker and also sort out right back problem out whilst also giving us some money to invest in to one or two more players.

To think we could have got Bryam, Hugill, paid 4million for Oxford and still have 6million left would have been a good bit of business.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 25, 2019, 10:22:29 AM
From our game against Boro last season I am not overly struck on Hugill...but then you have to factor in who his manager was.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 25, 2019, 03:44:03 PM
EFL hub reporting West Ham have offered £10m, Byram and Hugil for Rondon.

Very impressed with Hugil against us for Boro last year. Perfect for Bilic' system plus he would know their abilities and character.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 25, 2019, 03:49:42 PM
EFL hub reporting West Ham have offered £10m, Byram and Hugil for Rondon.

Very impressed with Hugil against us for Boro last year. Perfect for Bilic' system plus he would know their abilities and character.

Not sure he would know anything about Hugill as he only went West Ham last year. Looking at his career he doesn't seem to score that many goals, 12 in 44 was his best return in the 16/17 season. Managed 6 goals last year for Boro but he was in a Tony Pulis team so I wont look into that too much.

We need at least 2 strikers coming in (3 if Jay Rod leaves) so on that basis I wouldn't mind him coming in, but wouldn't be too confident if he was our first choice striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on June 25, 2019, 04:13:11 PM
EFL hub reporting West Ham have offered £10m, Byram and Hugil for Rondon.

Very impressed with Hugil against us for Boro last year. Perfect for Bilic' system plus he would know their abilities and character.
That sounds like a very good deal to me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on June 25, 2019, 04:38:36 PM
Do we really ever see swap deals come off?!

There could be work to be done with Reece Oxford too if the clubs are going to do business together.

Don't know a lot about Hugil but i'd like Oxford and Byram.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 25, 2019, 04:39:28 PM
That sounds like a very good deal to me.
I suppose a lot will depend on the wage demands.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 25, 2019, 04:42:56 PM
Thought Hugill was poor. A big lump with very little ability. No from me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on June 25, 2019, 05:22:06 PM
Big no to hugill, 10mill, oxford and Byram I’d consider, Byram has massively tailed off after breaking Onto the scene but if we can get him playing at the level he was at he could be a decent signing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbako on June 25, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
Thought Hugill was poor. A big lump with very little ability. No from me.

Yeah, average championship player at best.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on June 25, 2019, 06:27:39 PM
Yeah, average championship player at best.
Better than Robson Kanu then.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on June 25, 2019, 06:30:00 PM
Better than Robson Kanu then.

But who isn't?

Hugil was just dirty and mostly ineffective. Byram would be a really good edition but hopefully with someone else.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbako on June 25, 2019, 06:30:58 PM
Better than Robson Kanu then.

Kanu is a poor Championship player. Would be more suited to League 1 or League 2.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 25, 2019, 06:52:48 PM
Thought Hugill was poor. A big lump with very little ability. No from me.

A poor lump who caused the Albion defence no end of problems?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 25, 2019, 07:00:51 PM
A poor lump who caused the Albion defence no end of problems?


I remember him diving a couple of times, aside from that we were comfortable until Assombalonga was introduced.


Hugill is poor.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 25, 2019, 07:03:39 PM
I don't rate either so would be a no for me, just pay the cash.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on June 25, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Jordan Hugull has scored 43 goals in 184 games playing for Port Vale, Gateshead, Preston, Tranmere, Hartlepool and Boro. Anyone who want's to sign player with those stats needs a lie down. We are trying to build a squad to get promoted not relegated to league one. Not surprised West Ham would want to try to offload their junk to us. We should stay well clear.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on June 25, 2019, 07:46:42 PM
I agree re Hugill. Byron and Oxford plus about £12m cash is fine.

Use £8m of the £12m cash to cover the reduction in the parachute payment, and use the other £4m to cover wages for 2 strikers next season, one of which could be Andy Carroll if he’d come on a pay as you play deal and no signing-on fee! 



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 25, 2019, 08:08:30 PM
I agree re Hugill. Byron and Oxford plus about £12m cash is fine.

Use £8m of the £12m cash to cover the reduction in the parachute payment, and use the other £4m to cover wages for 2 strikers next season, one of which could be Andy Carroll if he’d come on a pay as you play deal and no signing-on fee!
Personally wouldn’t be keen on Carroll , you are right that the pay as you play minimises risk....but I’d expect that if he were on 30k per appearance...the board would factor him potentially playing 80% of games and allocating funds against

However I would assume he just wouldn’t come to us anyway
China
UAE
Silly french club
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 25, 2019, 08:12:42 PM
No deal for me, cash only, Hugull very average against us and totally agree, Assombalonga made a difference when he came on.
Don't mind swap deals if the players coming in are ones we are already interested in.
I think we will use the loan market big again this coming season, makes a lot of sense good prospects with the parent club paying half the wages.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiemart on June 25, 2019, 08:43:30 PM
No deal for me, cash only, Hugull very average against us and totally agree, Assombalonga made a difference when he came on.
Don't mind swap deals if the players coming in are ones we are already interested in.
I think we will use the loan market big again this coming season, makes a lot of sense good prospects with the parent club paying half the wages.

Yeah , get a good talented loan player who then gets called back to his parent club half way through the season and messes your whole season up !!!    Sound familiar !!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 25, 2019, 08:52:32 PM
Yeah , get a good talented loan player who then gets called back to his parent club half way through the season and messes your whole season up !!!    Sound familiar !!!

So we shouldn't use the loan market in case any players may be recalled in January? We would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. While losing Barnes was a blow our form got no worse after he had left anyway!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on June 25, 2019, 09:20:49 PM
Yeah , get a good talented loan player who then gets called back to his parent club half way through the season and messes your whole season up !!!    Sound familiar !!!

The answer is to insist on a 15th January recall deadline, thereby ensuring that we have two weeks minimum to replace a recalled loan player.  Where it goes wrong is when the patent club can recall the loan player far too late in the window to be adequately replaced.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on June 25, 2019, 10:05:37 PM
So we shouldn't use the loan market in case any players may be recalled in January? We would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. While losing Barnes was a blow our form got no worse after he had left anyway!
Our form might not have suffered but i think we'd have been better with him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 25, 2019, 10:28:14 PM
We shouldn't be considering loans with a recall unless it is for cover. We can't afford to lose our best performers because they are doing the business for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiemart on June 26, 2019, 09:30:57 AM
So we shouldn't use the loan market in case any players may be recalled in January? We would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. While losing Barnes was a blow our form got no worse after he had left anyway!

We should build a team with our own players and use loan players as support players. It's no good having 5 loan players in who are your main players and then find that at the end of the season they go back to their clubs and we are left with nothing.  I thought that the message was that  we need to build a team for the future. Loan players give you a one season benefit and should never be relied on.

As for Harvey Barnes, if he had stayed with us we would have got promotion automatic.  The sides that went up were no good. In fact I see the championship being a tougher league this year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 26, 2019, 09:41:48 AM
Can we keep this thread to discussing Salomon Rondon rather than our views on loaning players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on June 26, 2019, 10:05:17 AM
Hopefully he can perform well in the last few games of the Copa America just to try and get a couple more clubs interested.

The quicker we can sell him, the quicker we can use the funds to try and get some replacements in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiemart on June 26, 2019, 11:08:53 AM
Hopefully he can perform well in the last few games of the Copa America just to try and get a couple more clubs interested.

The quicker we can sell him, the quicker we can use the funds to try and get some replacements in.

He will probably have a break after the Copa America and with only 6 weeks of the window open it doesn't leave much time to get a deal done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 26, 2019, 11:18:33 AM
If Rondon goes to West Ham then cash only please, I really don't want us committing to contracts for an at best average forward and a seemingly crocked full back. Dips in form and injuries happen but we need to avoid contractual millstones.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on June 26, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
I have a feeling the Rondon saga will run for a while yet with clubs hoping the get a cheaper deal by waiting and running down the window etc. Hope I am wrong because the cash would be a great help right now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 01, 2019, 05:22:00 PM
Sky are reporting that Benitez is about to be new Manager in China, 25m Salary 😳
Wouldn’t mind betting Rondon is on his hit list, we might just get that 16.5m price after all!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 01, 2019, 07:27:03 PM
Can but hope but we need a quick sale so we can get on with team rebuilding
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on July 01, 2019, 09:27:51 PM
whens he due back in for training .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 02, 2019, 10:37:54 PM
Reports coming through that Leicester are buying Perez for £30 million. Currently having a medical. Very good news for us, fully expect Newcastle to bid big for Rondon now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 02, 2019, 10:42:31 PM
Reports coming through that Leicester are buying Perez for £30 million. Currently having a medical. Very good news for us, fully expect Newcastle to bid big for Rondon now.
You mean bigger than his release clause?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 03, 2019, 01:08:24 AM
Regardless of who Newcastle sell or for how much I don't expect them to trigger Rondon's release clause. Benetiz is gone and he was championing Rondon's signing the powers that be were never keen on the deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: royhan on July 03, 2019, 01:17:50 AM
Regardless of who Newcastle sell or for how much I don't expect them to trigger Rondon's release clause. Benetiz is gone and he was championing Rondon's signing the powers that be were never keen on the deal.

It wouldn't surprise me if Rondon followed Benitez to China
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 03, 2019, 04:16:11 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Rondon followed Benitez to China

Wouldn’t mind betting he becomes his first signing. Best chance of getting the full transfer fee. Was very keen to go 18 months ago, now he’s half price.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 03, 2019, 08:48:37 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if Rondon followed Benitez to China

Had heard talk of this. Might represent our best chance to match his release clause.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 03, 2019, 09:11:07 AM
I understand that Benitez brief is to recruit and develop Chinese players and that there are still restrictions on money going out of the country. if that is the case, he won’t be back for Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kanu on July 03, 2019, 09:20:02 AM
The best outcome here would be another Rondon/Gayle swap. Neither chairman wants to shell out cash and it would be brilliant for us. I’m sure Bilic would want this to happen.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 03, 2019, 09:36:14 AM
whens he due back in for training .

I imagine we'll let him have a bit of time off after Copa America, so a week or so I'd guess.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 03, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
The best outcome here would be another Rondon/Gayle swap. Neither chairman wants to shell out cash and it would be brilliant for us. I’m sure Bilic would want this to happen.

In that scenario, we would be parting with Rondon with no chance of getting anything for him at the end of the season and Gayle would be returning to Newcastle. So, that would be a lose, lose situation for us.

Personally, give the circumstances, I would want to sell him and recoup as much cash as we can 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kanu on July 03, 2019, 09:53:55 AM
In that scenario, we would be parting with Rondon with no chance of getting anything for him at the end of the season and Gayle would be returning to Newcastle. So, that would be a lose, lose situation for us.

Personally, give the circumstances, I would want to sell him and recoup as much cash as we can

What I meant was a permanent swap. If we then failed to go up then we probably have to sell Gayle. If we go up he’s helped earn us £140m and if we don’t think he’ll cut it  in the prem we can sell to championship.
Actually even if it was a loan swap and he scored another 23 goals and we went up earning the £140m then that would be a good outcome. Yes it carries risks but so do all deals. I think ‘lose lose’ is a bit strong unless you didn’t enjoy watching Gayle last season and don’t rate him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 03, 2019, 11:03:03 AM
What I meant was a permanent swap. If we then failed to go up then we probably have to sell Gayle. If we go up he’s helped earn us £140m and if we don’t think he’ll cut it  in the prem we can sell to championship.
Actually even if it was a loan swap and he scored another 23 goals and we went up earning the £140m then that would be a good outcome. Yes it carries risks but so do all deals. I think ‘lose lose’ is a bit strong unless you didn’t enjoy watching Gayle last season and don’t rate him.

When you said Gayle/Rondon swap it wasn’t clear you meant a permanent deal. If it were permanent then yes I can see your logic. My use of lose, lose was based on it not being a permanent swap. I don’t get the connection of not liking Gayle because I though it a non permanent swap deal.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kanu on July 03, 2019, 11:27:48 AM
When you said Gayle/Rondon swap it wasn’t clear you meant a permanent deal. If it were permanent then yes I can see your logic. My use of lose, lose was based on it not being a permanent swap. I don’t get the connection of not liking Gayle because I though it a non permanent swap deal.
Yes fair enough. Think we’re all agreed it’d be great to have Gayle back, better permanently then as a loan swap but still be good. There’s no guarantee he’d match his 23 from last year but with an attacking more tactically astute manager he could even score more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on July 03, 2019, 12:54:01 PM
Yes fair enough. Think we’re all agreed it’d be great to have Gayle back, better permanently then as a loan swap but still be good. There’s no guarantee he’d match his 23 from last year but with an attacking more tactically astute manager he could even score more.

I think it would be terrific if we could get that deal done. It of course depends on the new management of both clubs wanting the people involved. Rondon would not suit all styles of play. Gayle, yes please and I am confident Bilic would agree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 06, 2019, 03:13:37 PM
Reports that Rafa wants Rondon to follow him to China. Said this would happen a week ago. He was keen on the move there a couple of years ago, can’t see this not happening now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on July 06, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
Genuine question. How come Chinese owned domestic clubs in China can move monies out of the country for foreign transfers when Chinese owners (ours) can't move money out of China to protect their investments? Money's money, there appears to be absolutely no logic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on July 06, 2019, 04:21:30 PM
Genuine question. How come Chinese owned domestic clubs in China can move monies out of the country for foreign transfers when Chinese owners (ours) can't move money out of China to protect their investments? Money's money, there appears to be absolutely no logic.
I don't know. Think I'm right in saying that at the moment, if a Chinese club was to sign Rondon, there's also a 100% tax that they have to pay to the Chinese FA for 'player development'. So it would cost a club £32m in total to sign Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on July 06, 2019, 04:55:21 PM
Genuine question. How come Chinese owned domestic clubs in China can move monies out of the country for foreign transfers when Chinese owners (ours) can't move money out of China to protect their investments? Money's money, there appears to be absolutely no logic.
what money
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2019, 08:08:35 AM
Rafa Benitez wants to be reunited with striker Salomon Rondon at Dalian Yifang in China

Hope this is an accurate story

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7219607/Benitez-wants-reunited-striker-Rondon.html

More on this story,

Rondon chase hots up as West Brom's transfer window kicks into life

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rondon-chase-hots-up-west-16544170
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 07, 2019, 09:04:49 AM
The 100% levy is still applied but apparently a Chinese team was prepared to pay more than £30m for Rondon before that levy was imposed maybe they are still happy to do so. Honestly can't see why they would and the story is just too neat Rondon following Benetiz to China is typical tabloid guff.

Still think West Ham is his most likely destination.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on July 07, 2019, 09:16:16 AM
Nixon also said just that the fee and wages won't be an issue. China is a green light. 3 separate sources saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on July 07, 2019, 10:13:38 AM
Nixon also said we'd be signing Giles Barnes in January. This was followed by claims (lazily rehashed from last season) that Dawson was off to Burnley (again) for £15,000,000 before rocking up at Watford for about a third of the price about six weeks later. Relies almost entirely on the ITK of others and the slurry machine effect of throwing enough out there to eventually get something right. The ambulance chaser of the football rumour industry, bloke's an absolute dick.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 07, 2019, 11:03:42 AM
Put simply if Nixon has the story it means one of two things either it is complete and utter bilge or it is happening and he is merely repeating what is already out there. Source of this story looks like the Mail so pinch of salt all round and wait and see.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 13, 2019, 12:10:26 PM
West Ham are rumoured to have had a 40 million bid accepted for Sebastian Haller. While it’s possible a bigger club will come in to take him before West Ham can complete a deal, given his status as one of the top young strikers in the world, if they were to sign him, I can’t see them also putting 15 million down for Rondon.

Options to sell him starting to drop away as it stands and I can see us letting him go for less than we hoped the closer we get to the end of the window. Strange given how well he did last year.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on July 13, 2019, 06:04:36 PM
Presumably, though, if no club meets his release fee, then Rondon is contractually obliged to play for WBA?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on July 13, 2019, 06:11:04 PM
Presumably, though, if no club meets his release fee, then Rondon is contractually obliged to play for WBA?
In theory yes , you'd think he'd be long gone by then though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 14, 2019, 12:10:34 AM
Presumably, though, if no club meets his release fee, then Rondon is contractually obliged to play for WBA?
Does he want to play for us is the real question.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: royhan on July 14, 2019, 03:12:07 AM
Does he want to play for us is the real question.


I hope that if the scenario unfolds whereby no one meets his release fee then Rondon wouldn't be one of those players who throws his toys out of the pram. It would be great if we can keep him for 12 months as he could be crucial to our promotion chances. He could obviously walk away for nothing at the end of the season but if we did get promotion then we would be in a good position to offer him a new deal that he may want to sign.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 16, 2019, 03:06:37 PM

I hope that if the scenario unfolds whereby no one meets his release fee then Rondon wouldn't be one of those players who throws his toys out of the pram. It would be great if we can keep him for 12 months as he could be crucial to our promotion chances. He could obviously walk away for nothing at the end of the season but if we did get promotion then we would be in a good position to offer him a new deal that he may want to sign.

Big mistake, his head is elsewhere, let him go
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan87uk on July 16, 2019, 03:09:51 PM
Just waiting for confirmation he's gone tbh...

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11763735/salomon-rondon-deal-agreed-between-west-brom-and-rafa-benitezs-dalian-yifang (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11763735/salomon-rondon-deal-agreed-between-west-brom-and-rafa-benitezs-dalian-yifang)

Rafa Benitez's new side Dalian Yifang have agreed a deal with West Brom to sign Salomon Rondon, Sky Sports News understands.

The Chinese Super League club are now in discussions with the Venezuela striker and a deal could be agreed with him by Wednesday.

Rondon is said to be keen on working with Benitez again, having played under him on loan at Newcastle last season.

The 29-year-old's contract at West Brom has a release clause of £16.5m.

Benitez became Dalian manager in early July after deciding not to sign a new contract at St James' Park.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 16, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
Good deal for us, although now the incomings from player sales since we last bought a player has gone over the £45 million quid mark.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on July 16, 2019, 06:09:03 PM
Good deal for us, although now the incomings from player sales since we last bought a player has gone over the £45 million quid mark.

It would be if we got the 16 million but I don’t think we have no where near that. They seem intent on having a fire sale, JRod, Dawson and now Rondon all sold at rock bottom prices
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on July 16, 2019, 06:14:32 PM
It would be if we got the 16 million but I don’t think we have no where near that. They seem intent on having a fire sale, JRod, Dawson and now Rondon all sold at rock bottom prices
John Percy suggests on twitter that it's £16.5m, hopefully it is. With other clubs having some interest I don't think we'd have let him go for less than £10-12m with 4 weeks still to go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KN22 on July 16, 2019, 06:54:31 PM
It will be 16.5m or they wouldn’t sanction the deal at this stage.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan87uk on July 17, 2019, 08:20:10 AM
It would be if we got the 16 million but I don’t think we have no where near that. They seem intent on having a fire sale, JRod, Dawson and now Rondon all sold at rock bottom prices

the release clause is £16.5 million.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Blowee on July 17, 2019, 09:01:27 AM
It will be 16.5m or they wouldn’t sanction the deal at this stage.
They would if it's the best offer they have had. He doesn't want to play for us and we can't afford to pay him. We had to accept the highest bid.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on July 17, 2019, 10:13:09 AM
Initial reports suggested the fee would be 'undisclosed'.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 17, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
Initial reports suggested the fee would be 'undisclosed'.

JRod's fee was 'undisclosed' too.  Despite the fact that it was in the public domain as £5m now, £5m next summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on July 17, 2019, 05:22:42 PM
They would if it's the best offer they have had. He doesn't want to play for us and we can't afford to pay him. We had to accept the highest bid.
If it was the last day of the window we'd have to accept the highest bid. We obviously judged it as  a fair offer, close enough to the buy-out clause and decided to take the money and kick off our own business.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 17, 2019, 09:37:30 PM
They would if it's the best offer they have had. He doesn't want to play for us and we can't afford to pay him. We had to accept the highest bid.

Mate, think about what you've just said, and try to back it up with facts. Absolute biggest load of cobblers I've read on here. Your talking like you know what's happening behind the scenes, when infact you are clueless as to what our intentions are.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on July 17, 2019, 09:58:28 PM
My understanding of the situation gleaned from various sources is as follows.

Rondon does not have a flex down clause in his contract. The release clause is meant to be the safety net if we were relegated (this dumb beyond belief but I will set that issue to one side for the moment). We pretty much cannot afford his wages we therefore have to sell.

No English club got close to the release clause and after Benetiz left Newcastle their interest came to an abrupt end (along with all the fantasy swaps with Gayle).

Dalian's interest is a bit of a lifeline and their offer is a lot closer to the release clause than other tentative offers were but it is still a little short (here I am guessing possibly about £15m). However the harsh reality is we don't have much of a choice and had player rejected the option of going to China we would have been up the creek without a paddle.

To put all this into context Rondon's wages since he last played for us just across the last 2 summers have cost the club in excess of £1m. He is a mini cash flow crisis and until it was resolved the club was going to be very reluctant to enter into additional commitments.

The fact we have a resolution to the Rondon issue and we have signed a player almost straight away is not wholly unconnected.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on July 18, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
To put all this into context Rondon's wages since he last played for us just across the last 2 summers have cost the club in excess of £1m. He is a mini cash flow crisis and until it was resolved the club was going to be very reluctant to enter into additional commitments.

One thing to look at is, even if his wages are quite a lot, we save by not having to purchase another striker. 

12 months of Rondon's wages - back of fag packet calculations = 12 * 75k = ~£1m.
Worst case we don't go up and we end selling him for cut down price, let's say £5m.
=£4m gain this time next year - worst case.

vs.

Signing a new striker = £10m?
+ 3/5 year contract\wages

I'm not sure this idea of "we can't afford his wages" stacks up against the fact we have to replace him. 

(For the record, there is zero chance he'll be here next year)

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 18, 2019, 09:55:14 AM
One thing to look at is, even if his wages are quite a lot, we save by not having to purchase another striker. 

12 months of Rondon's wages - back of fag packet calculations = 12 * 75k = ~£1m.
Worst case we don't go up and we end selling him for cut down price, let's say £5m.
=£4m gain this time next year - worst case.

vs.

Signing a new striker = £10m?
+ 3/5 year contract\wages

I'm not sure this idea of "we can't afford his wages" stacks up against the fact we have to replace him. 

(For the record, there is zero chance he'll be here next year)

Absolute nonsense. Why would we get 5 million for a player out of contract? We would get nothing. We would still have to sign a player after he left on a 3-5 year contract. The sale of Rondon funds a new striker for 3-5 years fee and wages.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 18, 2019, 09:56:30 AM
Initial reports suggested the fee would be 'undisclosed'.


Creative way to get money out of China, perhaps it was for 30 million  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 18, 2019, 10:23:48 AM
One thing to look at is, even if his wages are quite a lot, we save by not having to purchase another striker. 

12 months of Rondon's wages - back of fag packet calculations = 12 * 75k = ~£1m.
Worst case we don't go up and we end selling him for cut down price, let's say £5m.
=£4m gain this time next year - worst case.

vs.

Signing a new striker = £10m?
+ 3/5 year contract\wages

I'm not sure this idea of "we can't afford his wages" stacks up against the fact we have to replace him. 

(For the record, there is zero chance he'll be here next year)

Do you really think Rondon is on 75K a month? that's only 18.75k a week?....more like 60 - 70K a week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on July 18, 2019, 10:28:17 AM
Absolute nonsense. Why would we get 5 million for a player out of contract? We would get nothing. We would still have to sign a player after he left on a 3-5 year contract. The sale of Rondon funds a new striker for 3-5 years fee and wages.

First, I wasn't sure if his contract definitely expired next year but fair enough.

Secondly, I don't disagree that selling Rondon will fund a new striker (of what quality though?) - just disagreeing that we can't afford his wages.  I also said my option was worst case.  Best case would be he plays, we get promoted and he signs a new contract. 

Thirdly, I said he won't be here for this season anyway.

I guess it all depends if you think he's good enough for the Premiership.  If he isn't, then selling now and cashing in makes the most the sense.  If you think he is (assuming he would want to stay which I doubt he does), then for ~£1m in wages we would have a striker who would bully this division and not one that we would need to move on when\if promoted.

It's a hefty gamble though - get it wrong and it's going to cost us £16.5m.  Get it right, and we've just saved ourselves a hefty transfer fee for buying someone if we do go up. 

When we sell him though we then need to be replacing him with quality.  We can't afford to spend his transfer fee on another Ideye.  So far nothing I have seen from our board makes me think we'll be getting another Odemwingie instead.  Are you that confident the board will strike gold? 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on July 18, 2019, 10:29:13 AM
Do you really think Rondon is on 75K a month? that's only 18.75k a week?....more like 60 - 70K a week.

Good point.  I've screwed this up.   Yeah, sell him and we can stick with HRK.  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 18, 2019, 10:36:58 AM
Good point.  I've screwed this up.   Yeah, sell him and we can stick with HRK.  ;D


We're doomed!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: StourBaggie on July 18, 2019, 04:20:44 PM
Medical done and just awaiting paperwork, per Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 18, 2019, 04:58:01 PM
Medical done and just awaiting paperwork, per Sky Sports.

Fantastic news.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on July 18, 2019, 04:58:39 PM
Just get this done, we need to move on
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on July 19, 2019, 08:07:43 AM
Officially gone now. On OS. Let's get these transfers done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Beefy on July 19, 2019, 08:13:52 AM
Salomon Rondon has joined Chinese Super League side Dalian Yifang.

All the best for the future, @salorondon23.

#WBA

https://t.co/svzy4nYTMH
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
Class player, desperately sorry to see him leave. Hopefully this now triggers some incoming transfers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 19, 2019, 08:31:03 AM
28 goals in 120 games tells the story really.

never a fan of his but he always give it 100%.

Good luck Salomon !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: kanu on July 19, 2019, 08:39:57 AM
Thanks for everything Salomon. Superb old fashioned no.9 who always gave everything. Would have loved to see him play a season alongside someone like Gayle. As it was he was isolated during his 3 years but still managed close to double figures each season. Unplayable at times, frustrating at others but thanks for the memories and good luck.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: royhan on July 19, 2019, 08:40:23 AM
I never thought when a Chinese owner took over our club that we would be selling one of our best players to ….China. Shouldn't the opposite be happening and Mr Lai should be recruiting top players!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: AlbionFan on July 19, 2019, 08:54:14 AM
Buena suerte soloman y gracias
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Mister AT on July 19, 2019, 08:57:59 AM
28 goals in 120 games tells the story really.

never a fan of his but he always give it 100%.

Good luck Salomon !

Not the best goalscoring record but always had a tough task in a Pulis team as his support tended to be 30-40yards away from him.

Bizarre move to go to China when his stock was quite high after a good season at Newcastle, I think the fact that no one was willing to match the release clause in this country tells its own story.

Good luck to the lad.

Hopefully this triggers some incomings now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: gazberg on July 19, 2019, 08:59:33 AM
China were offering him 150k pw apparently so best deal for him and us financially. Good luck Sol.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 19, 2019, 09:02:35 AM
28 goals in 120 games tells the story really.

never a fan of his but he always give it 100%.

Good luck Salomon !

Judging any striker on his goal return in a Pulis team is pointless - I'm fairly certain Rondon was the first player who hit double figures under him in over 10 years.

I'll miss him. We never saw the best of him, and I think Newcastle did.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 19, 2019, 09:05:01 AM
Not the best goalscoring record but always had a tough task in a Pulis team as his support tended to be 30-40yards away from him.

Bizarre move to go to China when his stock was quite high after a good season at Newcastle, I think the fact that no one was willing to match the release clause in this country tells its own story.

Good luck to the lad.
Hopefully this triggers some incomings now.


i know what you are saying, but after seeing him in so many games home and away in my opinion i had lost count of games i have walked out afterwards and thinking how many chances did he have and not score. When he was in the mood he was a handful but felt that happened 1 in 4 games. a lot of fans thought he would score a lot more for Newcastle due to playing in a pulis team but only scored 2 more than his best season for us.

if we have got anything over £12m then its good business by Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 19, 2019, 09:08:14 AM
Judging any striker on his goal return in a Pulis team is pointless - I'm fairly certain Rondon was the first player who hit double figures under him in over 10 years.

I'll miss him. We never saw the best of him, and I think Newcastle did.

Respect your opinion, but i completely disagree. he never scored double figures in the premier league for us, his best tally was 9 and like my earlier comment, a lot of albion thought he would achieve his potential and score more for Newcastle due to not being in a pulis team, but yet only scored 2 more. again, i lost count how many games i watched him in a pulis team and he would still have 3 good chances a game and would miss them all.  he was very rarely in the mood in my opinion.

no one in the UK has really come in for him anyway which tells a story in itself.

best of luck to him but its good business by Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: koren on July 19, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
Wish him all the best. Work his socks off every game but unfortunately most of his time was playing under Pulis.

Also a great human being. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I26ePHw7gLk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I26ePHw7gLk)

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: gazberg on July 19, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
From his parting message he sounds like he much preferred his season at NUFC over playing under Pulis for years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Bakeyaface on July 19, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
I think he tried, had his moments and ultimately came up short. But that's all in the past now.

As a side note though, is anyone else a little annoyed at his leaving statement? May be petty, but surely he should be thanking US first and Newcastle second. We gave him his initial chance(s) etc.....surely his one single season (on loan I might add) should be secondary. Not sure if that's just my opinion or if anyone else picked up on that small point.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: gazberg on July 19, 2019, 09:14:51 AM
https://twitter.com/salorondon23/status/1152117575268130816?s=09
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: koren on July 19, 2019, 09:26:55 AM
I think he tried, had his moments and ultimately came up short. But that's all in the past now.

As a side note though, is anyone else a little annoyed at his leaving statement? May be petty, but surely he should be thanking US first and Newcastle second. We gave him his initial chance(s) etc.....surely his one single season (on loan I might add) should be secondary. Not sure if that's just my opinion or if anyone else picked up on that small point.
https://twitter.com/salorondon23/status/1026513417853693953 (https://twitter.com/salorondon23/status/1026513417853693953)
He made his leaving statement to us last summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: 17GD on July 19, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
I know footballers are known for being selfish, but he really stands out to me as a selfish person. His leaving statement stinks and I for one am glad he's gone.

Did very little for us, although I appreciate the management in place weren't doing him any good, but still didn't reach the glory that some make out he did. He didn't help us in our relegation season and then left. Don't need snakes.

Bye.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: skyclad99 on July 19, 2019, 09:42:30 AM
From his parting message he sounds like he much preferred his season at NUFC over playing under Pulis for years.

You are probably right there, and who could blame him....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2019, 09:42:53 AM
I know footballers are known for being selfish, but he really stands out to me as a selfish person. His leaving statement stinks and I for one am glad he's gone.

Did very little for us, although I appreciate the management in place weren't doing him any good, but still didn't reach the glory that some make out he did. He didn't help us in our relegation season and then left. Don't need snakes.

Bye.

Selfish?
He's done what anyone else would do, gone to another employer who's paying him double what he was getting here.
Good luck to him I've got no axe to grind with him.
He's been, he's played, he's gone like many before and many after.
Personally I'm only interested in those that are here, those that want to go..........Taraaaaaaa
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: 17GD on July 19, 2019, 09:46:05 AM
Selfish?
He's done what anyone else would do, gone to another employer who's paying him double what he was getting here.
Good luck to him I've got no axe to grind with him.
He's been, he's played, he's gone like many before and many after.
Personally I'm only interested in those that are here, those that want to go..........Taraaaaaaa

Yeah selfish. If he wanted more cash then he shouldn't have signed a contract with us in the first place and gone to someone offering him more money instead. Oh wait they didnt. He only left us when we dropped, which most of the team didn't do. That's my issue with him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 19, 2019, 09:49:40 AM
Yeah selfish. If he wanted more cash then he shouldn't have signed a contract with us in the first place and gone to someone offering him more money instead. Oh wait they didnt. He only left us when we dropped, which most of the team didn't do. That's my issue with him.
Im almost certain that due to no flexdown in his deal the urge to move on wasn’t a one sided thing. Albion simply couldn’t afford to keep him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2019, 09:52:20 AM
Yeah selfish. If he wanted more cash then he shouldn't have signed a contract with us in the first place and gone to someone offering him more money instead. Oh wait they didnt. He only left us when we dropped, which most of the team didn't do. That's my issue with him.

We couldn't afford to keep him.
The fact that he's gone will help the team rebuild.
If your going to get upset every time this happens I suggest you book into to see a councilor
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2019, 09:54:41 AM
Quite telling that no Prem or European club were willing to pay the fairly modest release clause for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Albionic on July 19, 2019, 09:55:20 AM
good luck Sal,
Quality player and human being, who sadly got Pulised.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 19, 2019, 09:57:25 AM
As others have said this money coming in will be more useful to us now than keeping him. The swap with Gayle very nearly paid off for us last season and to be able to recoup what we spent on him is excellent given how we will make a loss on the likes of Burke when he moves on.

Worked hard, didn't suit Pulis' ball and did better elsewhere. We wanted his wages off the books last year so him 'abandoning' us is a load of rubbish. If he'd stayed with us last season we'd not have had Gayle's goals or been where we were and he raised his stock and kept his value by performing well elsewhere - ensuring we can sell for a good price. Actually a win-win situation for us all.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: 17GD on July 19, 2019, 09:59:39 AM
We couldn't afford to keep him.
The fact that he's gone will help the team rebuild.
If your going to get upset every time this happens I suggest you book into to see a councilor

I have had counselling/therapy for depression cheers. But I don't see how that links to posting my disappointment at one player leaving who I feel has been very average for us.

And as others have posted, it's interesting that no PL or European clubs came in for him, they clearly don't think he's worth it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Albionic on July 19, 2019, 10:00:53 AM
hadn't his release clause already lapsed ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2019, 10:04:10 AM
I know footballers are known for being selfish, but he really stands out to me as a selfish person. His leaving statement stinks and I for one am glad he's gone.

Did very little for us, although I appreciate the management in place weren't doing him any good, but still didn't reach the glory that some make out he did. He didn't help us in our relegation season and then left. Don't need snakes.

Bye.

I'm with you on this one. What finally did it for me with Rondon was when him and Saido were sniggering and talking to each other whilst covering their mouths from the cameras, after the game at The Hawthorns when Saido came back with Stoke. It made my blood boil watching the pair of them. They obviously weren't just wishing each other well and saying how pleased they were to see each other were they. Pair of first class bell ends and absolute snakes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: boinging_along on July 19, 2019, 11:01:33 AM
I don't know why people are going on about Pulis.  Pulis signed him from Russia, he got 4 years in the Prem and now has his big money move.  It's not like his career has gone badly is it?

I'd have more sympathy if he had gone to Newcastle and banged in 20 goals, but he scored 2 more than his best season for us.  And Newcastle fans voted him player of the season so it's not like his performances under Pulis were that far behind his performance for newcastle.

I liked the guy but he missed too many good chances.  If you look at his Prem stats, overall he's quite similar to Perez...

140 appearances to 143
35 goals to 33
333 shots to 226
105 shots on target to 92
32% accurance to 41%
31 Big chances missed to 19

Can you work out which one is Rondon?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 19, 2019, 11:19:59 AM
I don't know why people are going on about Pulis.  Pulis signed him from Russia, he got 4 years in the Prem and now has his big money move.  It's not like his career has gone badly is it?

I'd have more sympathy if he had gone to Newcastle and banged in 20 goals, but he scored 2 more than his best season for us.  And Newcastle fans voted him player of the season so it's not like his performances under Pulis were that far behind his performance for newcastle.

I liked the guy but he missed too many good chances.  If you look at his Prem stats, overall he's quite similar to Perez...

140 appearances to 143
35 goals to 33
333 shots to 226
105 shots on target to 92
32% accurance to 41%
31 Big chances missed to 19

Can you work out which one is Rondon?


Exactly, i would say Rondon is the first set of stats.

i just think he was a poor striker really and the stats dont lie.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Baggies on July 19, 2019, 11:28:09 AM
Personally thought Rondon was a fairly solid striker for us, who consistently scored 10 goals (area) a season.

Ideally, you want a 13 goal a season striker in the prem but Rondon caused defenders issues and we have sold him at a profit. That paired with him being a great pro and nice guy means I will always look at him as a positive.

Good luck big man.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 19, 2019, 12:46:53 PM
Quite telling that no Prem or European club were willing to pay the fairly modest release clause for him.

A 29-year-old with one year left on his contract, who the club need to get off the books for financial reasons? I'd have been trying to get him on the cheap too.

We don't actually know if they've paid the release clause, or if it was just 'good enough'.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 19, 2019, 01:26:32 PM
Salomon, better than some people on here think, in a good team surrounded by players not playing defensively like Pullis and Benitez playing just to stay in the premiership, he would have scored 20 per season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: alex1 on July 19, 2019, 03:28:08 PM
As a bloke he seemed quite likeable and nobody could fault his workrate. He always gave 100%. I just don't think he had the right anticipation and instinct for a top striker. His brain seemed to click into action about a second too late, by which time the chance or opening had gone. Or when he was in a one on one with the keeper, he would smash the ball instead of placing it. Obviously spectacular when they found the net, but most went straight at the keeper or into Row Z. The contrast with Gayle couldn't have been greater.
He will never compare with this club's all time best forwards. 
Hope it works well for him in China though. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 19, 2019, 04:08:58 PM
As a conspiracy theory Lai, in order to get money out of China did a deal with Dalian Yifang to insist that Benitez must buy Rondon as part of his managerial appointment ;D 8)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: vrabbit on July 19, 2019, 04:24:32 PM
my dude came to the PL as an in the-box striker and was asked to play isolated up front and with his back to the goal. Transformed his game from being below average in the hold-up game to being a nightmare for opposing defenders in that role. Pulised more and more as his time went on. Went from a crazy hat-trick to an awful scoring spell then bounced back from it. He is such a much better player now than he was when first came to the club. It's really a shame that this club didn't get a chance to get the best out of him in a more attacking setup. He's been gone now for over a year and I'm still waiting for a proper attacking midfielder to show up (Harvey aside). He had just a tiny bit more support in the attack last season at Newcastle and ended up with by far his best season ever in the PL.

I remember being so excited when he was first signed about the idea of him and Berahino (the one coming off a 20-goal season) wrecking havoc up front. Oh what could had been.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: BalisPen on July 19, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
Good Luck Rondon.

How I wished we taken the £40m offer for you, and that idiot TP should have sold, probably didn't sell as nothing in it for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: wba_1996 on July 19, 2019, 04:40:29 PM
Lots of embarrassing posts from our fans on here and on social media on a wide range of topics recently. Smacks of bitterness stemming from the way the club is being run.

We'll likely not see another striker of Rondon's ability at The Hawthorns for the best part of a decade.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Nathan on July 19, 2019, 05:02:36 PM
Lots of embarrassing posts from our fans on here and on social media on a wide range of topics recently. Smacks of bitterness stemming from the way the club is being run.

We'll likely not see another striker of Rondon's ability at The Hawthorns for the best part of a decade.

Embarrassing in your eyes maybe, not for others. That's the whole point of a forum, a difference of opinions. It is not embarrassing and it is not bitterness when it comes to an individual's opinion. My overriding memory of Rondon will be of him smirking and sniggering with Saido and of countless sitters missed. Didn't rate him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2019, 05:04:33 PM
Salomon, better than some people on here think, in a good team surrounded by players not playing defensively like Pullis and Benitez playing just to stay in the premiership, he would have scored 20 per season

Every team are looking for a 20 goal a season striker. If he was just that then there would have been a host of clubs after him at such a small price. He's only ever scored 20 in one season in his career (for Zenit).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: wba_1996 on July 19, 2019, 05:19:54 PM
Every team are looking for a 20 goal a season striker. If he was just that then there would have been a host of clubs after him at such a small price. He's only ever scored 20 in one season in his career (for Zenit).

He's not quite a 20 goal Prem striker but he's good enough to be a back up for a top 6 Prem club or a starter for mid-sized Champions League clubs. Age and fee are the reason why he's not been bought by those sort of teams. Not many will pay £16m for a 29/30 year old. Chelsea only paid that for Giroud who had been doing it for years at the very highest level.

It's all about potential and resale value. Newcastle would rather pay £34m for a worse striker in Joelinton purely because he's 7 years younger. The guy is 3rd choice at Hoffenheim behind Kramaric and Belfodil.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Pie on July 19, 2019, 05:25:07 PM
Goodbye Sol, for what its worth liked him. Probably should have buried a few more in the season we went down but i doubt it would have changed anything in the long run. He seems like a good guy and I will remember him in a positive light.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: wardy65 on July 19, 2019, 05:27:49 PM
Good luck Saloman. Quality footballer, who's goalscoring record would be soo much better, but for having TP in charge, who for most of the game kept the guy, in our own penalty area.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: boinging_along on July 19, 2019, 05:33:23 PM
He's not quite a 20 goal Prem striker but he's good enough to be a back up for a top 6 Prem club or a starter for mid-sized Champions League clubs.

Not. A. Chance.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2019, 06:01:40 PM
Embarrassing in your eyes maybe, not for others. That's the whole point of a forum, a difference of opinions. It is not embarrassing and it is not bitterness when it comes to an individual's opinion. My overriding memory of Rondon will be of him smirking and sniggering with Saido and of countless sitters missed. Didn't rate him.


This is absolute rubbish mate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: albion59 on July 19, 2019, 06:03:43 PM
Good luck Saloman. Quality footballer, who's goalscoring record would be soo much better, but for having TP in charge, who for most of the game kept the guy, in our own penalty area.
Not a quality striker and his goal scoring record through out his career his rubbish. I never rated him but still wish him luck in the future, just glad his future isn't at the Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: AlbionFan on July 21, 2019, 05:01:37 PM
“It didn't take long for Salomon Rondon to make a mark at Dalian Yifang!”

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rondon-china-newcastle-brom-transfer-16621543.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: skyclad99 on August 05, 2019, 07:55:18 AM
“It didn't take long for Salomon Rondon to make a mark at Dalian Yifang!”

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rondon-china-newcastle-brom-transfer-16621543.amp?__twitter_impression=true

As a matter of interest I was out with a die hard Newcastle fan over the weekend. He said that the reason why Rondon never went to Newcastle was because the agent wanted £7m for himself as commission and a £6m signing on fee for Salomon. That would bring the total transfer fee to nearer £30m - no wonder both they and West Ham walked away....I dont blame them.

Everything that is wrong with our beautiful game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: WBArgo on August 05, 2019, 08:05:24 AM
I think he should do well in China.

Usually when a player does badly from the West over there it's due to attitude, whereas I think he will genuinely work hard in a league far beneath him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 05, 2019, 08:58:37 AM
As a matter of interest I was out with a die hard Newcastle fan over the weekend. He said that the reason why Rondon never went to Newcastle was because the agent wanted £7m for himself as commission and a £6m signing on fee for Salomon. That would bring the total transfer fee to nearer £30m - no wonder both they and West Ham walked away....I dont blame them.

Everything that is wrong with our beautiful game.

with how quickly Benitez went from Newcastle to China i would say that it had been in the works for weeks maybe even months.
Rondon's agent probably knew about this and knew what he could get out there so that is why he was asking for those sums.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: AlbionFan on January 31, 2020, 09:18:48 AM
Former West Brom and Newcastle striker Salomon Rondon is a target for Manchester United. The Venezuela international, 30, plays for Chinese Super League side Dalian Yifang.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 31, 2020, 09:40:20 AM
Former West Brom and Newcastle striker Salomon Rondon is a target for Manchester United. The Venezuela international, 30, plays for Chinese Super League side Dalian Yifang.


We've literally got some of the worst judges of footballers in our fanbase.


**** ay he...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Albionic on January 31, 2020, 09:51:27 AM

We've literally got some of the worst judges of footballers in our fanbase.


**** ay he...

he may not have the silky skills & Finesse of Thierry Henry, but Sal is an excellent player who was vastly under rated here. Shame really
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: skyclad99 on January 31, 2020, 09:56:58 AM
he may not have the silky skills & Finesse of Thierry Henry, but Sal is an excellent player who was vastly under rated here. Shame really

Sadly his time here coincided with a manager who didn't like to attack.

Could not fault his effort
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: SmethDan on January 31, 2020, 11:22:10 AM
Sadly his time here coincided with a manager who didn't like to attack.

Could not fault his effort

James Beattie may dispute this theory.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: Sted1990 on January 31, 2020, 11:23:34 AM
Sadly his time here coincided with a manager who didn't like to attack.

Could not fault his effort

I will fault the numerous sitters he missed against Watford and Everton in the season we were relegated. Yes he was up against it but that season he was nowhere near clinical enough and along with Mcleans silly free kicks cost us 10 plus points.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2020, 01:11:15 PM
I really hope that ManU do sign him up and I shall thoroughly enjoy watching him arriving a second too late for all those crosses, and blasting shots at point blank range into
Row Z. Even funnier will be Man U fans reactions when they realise what they've done. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: albion59 on January 31, 2020, 02:18:19 PM
Former West Brom and Newcastle striker Salomon Rondon is a target for Manchester United. The Venezuela international, 30, plays for Chinese Super League side Dalian Yifang.
Taken off the teletext rumour pages! Can't see this ever happening.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: phbaggies on January 31, 2020, 02:32:29 PM
No way he could get a flight out of China anyway and if he did he would have to be quarantined for a period of time, was never going to happen.....unless he hasn't been in China for weeks that is!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: jimmyj on February 20, 2020, 11:10:04 AM
Athletic Article on Rondon.

Unsurprisingly, focuses on Newcastle rather than us. Bit of a disappointing read for me overall, hopefully its just journalistic editing, but little old Albion seem to be a footnote in the career of Toon Legend, Rondon.  >:(

Salomon Rondon is drumming his knuckles on the metal table beside him, keeping pace with the words as they leave his mouth. Does he miss Newcastle United? “Yes. A lot,” he says — tap, tap, tap. What does he miss most? “St James’ Park,” — tap, tap, tap. “If I could turn back time, I would do it 100 per cent, I would be there,” he says and it is almost as if he can still feel the adrenaline, still hear that roar in his head.
He calls Newcastle’s grand old stadium, “my jungle”. What does he mean by that? “You have to fight for everything there — that’s my culture, too,” he says. “When I first arrived, I received a message from Tino Asprilla. He said, ‘Maybe you’ll score or maybe you won’t. If you score, that’s good, because a striker lives for goals, but if not, my friend … run, tackle, fight.’ That’s what I did. That’s the reason I loved it so much.”
Rondon picks up his phone and opens Instagram. “There’s a picture of me when I signed, walking out of the tunnel towards the pitch with my kids,” he says. “It’s one of my favourite photos. It’s such a big stadium, but it’s also closed in, tight, like it’s leaning over you. Whether you’re winning or losing, you can feel the supporters — ‘Come on, come on, COME ON!’ – and if the ball is there and you make a tackle, they’re like ‘WAAARRRGHHH!’”
 
(Photo: Newcastle United)
Rondon is grinning now (you can see his smile from 100 paces). “Sometimes it’s like they celebrate tackles more than goals,” he says. “The fans push you. If the ball is flying towards the line, you have to run, try to take it and play. That’s my nature. Everything for me there was really fantastic. I just felt, ‘this is my place’.” For a little while, he is lost in the rhythm of Tyneside, back in his jungle. His knuckles again: tap, tap, tap, tap.
Rondon, 30, spent a single season in the North East, joining on-loan from West Bromwich Albion in the summer of 2018 and then returning to the Hawthorns in May. Two months later, he followed Rafa Benitez, his manager on Gallowgate, to Dalian Yifang, the Chinese Super League (CSL) club, who activated his £16.5 million release clause, something Newcastle, with their focus on youth, were not prepared to do.
The logic or otherwise of that policy stirs anguished debate — Joelinton, Rondon’s permanent replacement, is 23, cost £40 million, and has contributed one Premier League goal — although Rondon cannot do very much about that. He lifts his shoulders. “It’s about decisions and it wasn’t my decision,” he says. “If Newcastle had offered me a deal, if they’d said ‘Do you want to stay here?’, then of course I would have stayed.”
He sounds wistful now. “To be honest, last season was the best I’ve ever had,” he says. “Not just because I scored goals, but because everything around me was so right, from the school of my children, to the city, the people, my family being happy. I was working really hard in every training session to be in the team and I did everything properly for that. I was playing. Everything was perfect.”
None of which should imply that Rondon is disillusioned at Dalian, who were recently renamed Dalian Professional. He has led a peripatetic career, leaving Venezuela as a teenager to play in Spain, Russia, England and now China, taking his family everywhere, sucking up adventure. In any case, he appreciates now that some things are uncontrollable. It is just that Newcastle was so… well, perfect, as he put it.
We meet at Dalian’s team hotel, in the hills above Marbella. Theirs is a different sort of pre-season, with the start of the CSL already postponed due to the coronavirus outbreak. Uncertainty and limbo clings to them. Rondon is fortunate; he has a home in Malaga, 45 minutes away, which means he has seen a lot of Valeria, his wife, Rodrigo, his eight-year-old son, and Raffaela, their five-year-old daughter.
 
Rondon with family at St James’ Park (Photo: Ian MacNicol/Getty Images)
He chats for 90 minutes and would readily stay longer. “I could sit here for four, five hours with a coffee, talking football,” he says and laughs. “I learned that from Rafa.” He has also trained himself to listen. Benitez is obsessive about the sport and meticulous in his role, always teaching, always explaining, focusing on the little details that make players better. “It’s something I love,” Rondon says, although it has taken him a while to reach this point.
He is increasingly expressive, animated. “I was in Miami on my holidays when Rafa first called me,” Rondon says. “I turned to my wife and whispered, ‘Oh my God, it’s Rafa Benitez!’ I said — very cool — ‘yes, hello Rafa, hi, how are you?’ He told me he’d tried to buy me for Newcastle but instead they were going to get me on loan. I wasn’t worried; I just wanted to go. ‘Don’t worry Rafa, I’ll be there.’ I put the phone down. And then I said to my wife, ‘ARGHHH! RAFA BENITEZ!’
“I remember our first meeting, the day I passed my medical and signed. I was waiting for the paperwork to go through. He talked to me for 45 minutes! I was in his office and he drew a horizontal line on a whiteboard and then a picture of a goal.
‘What’s that?’ he asked me. ‘Er … A pitch?’ I said. ‘No’, he said, ‘you can go back to West Brom. This is a target. A target. Are you a striker?’ ‘Yes, I’m a striker,’ I said. ‘Well, where should you shoot?’ ‘Umm. Wherever the keeper can’t reach it?’ I asked. ‘No. Where? Which side?’
“So on the drawing he divided the goal into six squares. He told me the maximum percentage for goals is in the bottom left and bottom right corners. ‘If you shoot there and miss high you still might score’, he said. ‘I know strikers want to score goals with quality and style, but shoot here and you’ll score. Pass the ball into the net. Pass, pass!’ It went on for a long time, but it was really good. I’m still learning from him.”
And so this is the story of what life has taught Jose Salomon Rondon Gimenez…
________________________________________
1.
“I was born in 1989. My mother remembers watching Maradona playing in the Copa America when she was pregnant. She could feel me kicking her belly; she says that’s how she knew I’d become a footballer. My dad was a chemistry teacher and never kicked a ball in his life, but they both wanted me to play sport. I started when I was four and I loved it. I’d practise, practise, practise.
“I didn’t like school very much. I never wanted to go to university. I said to my mum and I dad, ‘Football is the only thing I want to do — let me leave.’ They told me I was wrong; ‘Finish school and then we’ll decide.’ I found it hard. In the exams, the marks go up to 20 and you need at least 10 to pass; I passed with 10 in my last year. I gave them my diploma, got my bag from under the bed and said: ‘Take me to the airport. I’ll play anywhere.’
“Aragua were my first proper club and I made my league debut for them at 17. Then two clubs came for me, Caracas, the biggest team in Venezuela, and Las Palmas in the Segunda Division. Spain was my dream, because I’d watched La Liga on the TV when I was little, but I said to my mum, ‘I’m scared’. I wanted it, but I was young and really close to my parents. I’d never done anything for myself, never cooked or driven a car or anything.
“I moved but I was very homesick at first. It was all very different. I was living on my own in an apartment. I’d never been alone in a house before, there were four rooms and it felt like a mansion. I slept on the sofa, because it felt too big to be in the bedroom.
“I would talk to my family on Skype. I would say to my mum, ‘Please show me how to make pasta.’ So I’d take my laptop into the kitchen, put it next to the oven and she’d talk me through it: ‘OK, take a pan, put water in it, turn the heat on.’ I’d say, ‘Mum, it’s not boiling.’ ‘It’s OK, son, turn the heat up, then add the pasta, a little salt.’ That’s how she taught me how to cook. I had to grow up very quickly.”
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In different circumstances, Rondon would already be playing in the Premier League again. There was half a chance of it in January, when an injury to Marcus Rashford sent Manchester United on a late dash for a new striker, leading them via a circuitous route to Odion Ighalo and a loan from Shanghai Shenhua, but there was contact with Rondon’s representatives and the brief prospect of an agreement.
“It was all out of my hands,” Rondon says. “It means a lot to be linked with Manchester United because they have a great history and it must mean they think I did well in the Premier League. They started to talk to my agent and I was just waiting by my phone for a decision, maybe for the lawyers, but then I saw Ighalo had signed. It didn’t get to the stage where an offer was made or anything like that, but I think it was really close.”
Is he not distraught or angry? “No, no — it’s just football,” he says. “It’s decisions again and they obviously decided Ighalo was the best decision for them. I’ve played against him and I’m pleased for him. All I can do is keep working. I’m concentrating on Dalian, on working and learning and listening to the manager. After that, we will have to wait and see. You just never know in this game.”
Would he like to come back to England? “I hope so, one day,” he says. “If Newcastle made me the offer, I’d definitely come back!” He smiles again. “I’m 30, but I feel really healthy and take care of my body. Some people might think I’m too old, but if life around footballers is parties and going out, then that’s not my style. I try to do the good things. I hope to play on until I’m 37 or so, although that will depend on injuries, on me, on my life.
“If my body says, ‘My friend — that’s enough’, then I’ll have to say goodbye. If not, if I’m still hungry, if I’m still enjoying it, I’ll carry on. I think one of my best qualities is my character. I’m really passionate and I hate losing games, even if they’re friendlies. Even if I’m playing in the garden with my son and he nutmegs me, it’s ‘Hey, hey, hey, hey, NO’.
“When I go away with the national team, I’ll always say to the players: ‘I don’t care if you miss a pass or score an own goal, but I do care if you don’t put your foot in. And if you don’t put your foot in then you’ll have to fight me in the dressing-room. Win that first ball in the air.’ This is my attitude. The career of a footballer is too short. You have to give everything to football because football gives you everything.”
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“I’m studying now, to be a coach or a technical director or something like that. It’s an online course in sports management with the Cruyff Institute. I want to stay involved in this world. Finally, I’m listening to my mum! Every day when I talk to her I say, ‘I’m back at school’ and she says ‘yaaaay, I told you!’ She’s happy and I’m happy, because I’m learning. And it shows how much my life has changed.
“Four years ago, I was a footballer who was just living in a bubble — I had everything, I could buy anything, nobody and nothing could touch me because I was famous. But life isn’t like that. My dad had an aneurism. He’s paralysed and restricted to his bed. He can’t speak. We’re trying to help him, but this has been the situation since 2016. I was at West Brom when it happened and I just hit the floor when I found out.
“It had always been, ‘I can buy tickets for my parents to visit me — no problem. I can give money to my family, my wife — no problem.’ But I can’t buy my dad’s health. That’s real life. That was when I realised I wasn’t a footballer, that I was just a normal person. I’m not a superhero. That was the moment that opened my eyes, that changed my mentality. It was like a wake-up call and it made me understand that anything can happen.
“It’s been really hard. I’m a long way from my family. I was very close to my dad and spoke to him all the time. He was my guide in football, taught me how to shoot with my left foot. He’d never kicked a ball himself, but he knew what I had to do to improve. He would always tell me to keep working, keep learning, that the easiest thing was to arrive as a footballer and the most difficult thing was to stay there.
“It made me think about what happens next. You have to be ready for anything. So now I’m trying to prepare myself, every day and every night. I’m learning again, studying again. I’m very lucky, I have a good wage, but not everything is great. Football doesn’t protect you from life.”
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After Las Palmas, Rondon moved to Malaga in 2010. Fans at La Rosaleda called him, “Gladiator”, because, he says, “I put my head into every challenge and I ran for everything, fighting everyone. At first they called me ‘the horse without a head’ because I was doing so much running. Then when I played alongside Julio Baptista, who had been at Arsenal, they called us ‘The Two Beasts’. We were big and strong.”
There were transfers to Rubin Kazan and Zenit Saint Petersburg in Russia, but given his physique and temperament, a £12 million club-record move to West Brom in 2015 felt logical. “I’m very thankful to Tony Pulis,” Rondon says. “I’d always enjoyed the Premier League because of how physical it is. I love that contact with big defenders, the fight, and West Brom gave me the chance to play in the best league in the world.
 
 
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“I really liked Birmingham. I learned English with a teacher and everything was fantastic, the atmosphere, the food. The fans were really supportive. The disappointment was how my last season ended. We did the wrong things to stay in the division, some players didn’t want to stay, we didn’t start pre-season very well. Many things. It was no good and we went down.”
Dismay was magnified by that traumatic episode at Goodison Park, when James McCarthy tackled Rondon and the Everton midfielder fractured his leg in two places. “The ball was in front of me, I went to shoot and hit his leg,” Rondon says. “It was the worst thing I’ve heard and seen in my whole life. I cried. It shook me up so badly. I was still crying when I got home. I said to my wife, ‘I want to retire, I can’t live with this inside me.’ I just walked up and down my garden, crying.”
All of this has constructed the player and man Rondon is now, far removed from the scared, timid teenager who was so reluctant to leave Venezuela. “My wife and I think it’s important to show our children many cultures and many countries,” he says. “Footballers have a job to do, but it’s always good to go to different countries.
“China has been another challenge, another new culture and new language. I have a translator, but when you say something they use the same words but not necessarily with the same feeling, so maybe you lose something. My family came with me and we were happy, but we’ve come to the decision that it’s better for my kids to grow up in one place, so they’re back in Malaga, where they have friends, where they can speak Spanish and English.
“It’s difficult for us, but it’s a sacrifice. It’s good they’re settled and that makes it easier for me. I thank God and I also thank technology, because we can still talk every night — ‘Are you good?, How’s school?, How’s football?’ It’s life. I’m just trying to do my job.” All this time later and it is back to Skype and FaceTime. And now he is the parent, the one doing the cooing and cajoling. No pasta lessons just yet.
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Post by: jimmyj on February 20, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
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“Wherever you go, life is different. At Newcastle, for every away game we’d take a private plane and that was seen as normal, so players can have their own space and focus on the match. In China, it’s not like that. We take regular flights with members of the public.
“For one game last season, I was sitting next to a stranger with the club doctor on the other side of him. We took off, I put my headphones on and started to watch a movie. The person next to me began clipping his nails. NO! Nails were flying everywhere, hitting me in the face. This is not possible. I was saying to the doctor, ‘What is happening here?’ I had to go to the toilet. Oh my God.
“Every day I learn something new. There are a lot of Chinese people in Venezuela and when I was young, my dad would bring us a Chinese takeaway every Sunday. So I’m used to the food — fantastic!
“In Russia, I had other experiences. I was in this restaurant before training, I couldn’t read the menu so I just pointed to something and said, ‘I’ll take this’. When the waitress came to my table with a big piece of meat and some fries, I was very happy. Yes! But the steak was tough, as hard as this table. She told me it was horse. I felt so sick. I thought to myself, ‘Why didn’t you listen to your mum when she told you to study?’ Now it’s always Google Translate or my son.
“There are different cultures in football, too. In China, they’re trying to make theirs more European. They want to be a big league in football and there are millions of people there, they’re working and listening, but the game needs to be more athletic, more competitive. In South America when I was young, if the ball was there, you went with two feet. That was my culture.
“In England it was different again. At West Brom, I had to win many headers, hold the ball up, knock it down with my body. I remember at the end of one game, Darren Fletcher said to the physio, ‘Quick, you need to get some ice for Salomon, he’s hurt.’ He looked at my legs, my feet. ‘Where, what’s the problem?’ he said. He couldn’t see anything. Darren started laughing. ‘It’s for his chest,’ he said.
“At the moment, we’re having to deal with the virus and that’s another experience. It’s really difficult. We read the papers, we look at Twitter and we know the situation is bad. We have to think about all the people who are suffering and I try to put my feet in the shoes of my Chinese team-mates, who want to go home and see their families. We don’t know what’s going to happen. It’s out of our hands.
“For the foreign players, we have World Cup or European Championship matches next month. Playing for Venezuela is really important to me, but how can I do that if I haven’t played any competitive football? What about the quarantines? Will FIFA get involved? We have to be professional, stay here, train and wait, but it’s really difficult. It’ll be the first time in my career where a pre-season could last for three months.”
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Rondon mustered 11 league goals last season, his best return in England, but his contribution was gauged by other metrics, too; the way he led the line and worked defenders, the way he linked with Ayoze Perez and Miguel Almiron, Newcastle’s Spanish-speaking “Three Amigos”. He became the first centre-forward to win the club’s official player of the year award since Alan Shearer in 2003.
Shearer is the No 9 the rest are measured against, the most prolific and complete striker in Newcastle’s history, but that famous jersey did not look heavy on Rondon, as it has on some players, Joelinton included. It suited him. The fit was snug.
 
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He has a secret to share. “Maybe I shouldn’t tell you this…” he begins, but he tells it anyway. “When I arrived, the No 23 shirt was free as well as the No 9 and I said ‘Give me the 23,’” Rondon says. “I always play with that shirt for Venezuela and I wear it because of Michael Jordan, the basketball player, a big hero of mine. It felt like the right time to get back to it, particularly after what happened at West Brom.
“I’d worn the 9 down there and it was important for them; great players like Cyrille Regis had played in it before me. But those two very bad things happened in the previous season, our relegation to the Championship and then that horrible incident with James, that terrible injury. Both were awful. So, for me, the No 9 felt like bad luck and I wasn’t going to wear it any more.
“My agent said, ‘You’re crazy. You can’t say that. The No 9 is Shearer’s number, the shirt of legends.’ ‘I know, I know,’ I said. ‘But I want to escape from the No 9. It’s too much pressure.’ ‘Shut up and take it,’ he said. My wife said, ‘Come on – take it. You’re a striker, you have to score goals and it’s the most iconic number in England.’ Even my kids said it, ‘Dad, dad, you’ve got to take it.’
“So I took the No 9 and that huge responsibility. People on the street would stop me and say, ‘Do you know what that represents for Newcastle’? OK, OK, yes! It was some pressure, but I’m so grateful.”
And there is a little epitaph here. That black and white shirt, the number emblazoned in crimson, hangs on the wall of his Malaga home. How does he regard the No 9 now? “Fantastic, I love it,” Rondon says, tap, tap, tap, tapping his knuckles, never too old to learn, never too old to be good.
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Post by: baggiebof on February 20, 2020, 12:30:20 PM
Athletic Article on Rondon.

Unsurprisingly, focuses on Newcastle rather than us. Bit of a disappointing read for me overall, hopefully its just journalistic editing, but little old Albion seem to be a footnote in the career of Toon Legend, Rondon.  >:(


To be fair, the article is conducted by The Athletic's Newcastle United correspondent so it isn't a surprise that they focus on his time there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: AlbionFan on September 18, 2021, 05:16:26 PM
Salomon making his debut for Everton against vile

Com on Sal!
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Post by: SmethDan on September 19, 2021, 01:23:41 PM
Salomon making his debut for Everton against vile

Com on Sal!

The least said about the final score the better though  ;) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 19, 2021, 01:31:55 PM
The least said about the final score the better though  ;) .

Strangely the scoreline was fine until Rafa took Rondon off  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: SmethDan on September 19, 2021, 01:36:40 PM
Strangely the scoreline was fine until Rafa took Rondon off  ;D

Didn't pay any attention to the game itself and honestly couldn't even be bothered to check the lineups, subs or stats. Just saw the scoreline and that was enough information for me. 'Thanks' all the same though ;D .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: liverbaggie on September 19, 2021, 02:00:45 PM
Always liked Rondon
But he always seems a few seconds behind the ball still