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hodgson out??
« on: October 03, 2011, 02:39:55 AM »
Having read a few comments on here tonight moaning about the negativity and tactics of hodgson im merely posing a question would anyone see sacking hodgson as realisitic or acceptable? how many of you would like to see him go?

I dont like his tactics i dont like the negativity it annoys me how he wont make substituions until were either losing or there only for time wasting sake. but i like how he kept us up and i think he can keep us up a second time which is what this club needs. having said that i would like to see a more positive manager who uses our offensive minded players to the full extent.

I AM NOT TRYING TO CAUSE ANY TROUBLE AND NOR AM I A FULLY PLEDGED HODGSON OUTER IM MERELY CREATING A DEBATE. (before someone criticises or attacks me ha)
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Re: hodgson out??
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 02:56:20 AM »
Yes, it would be completely unjust to get rid of him and i hope this thread is gone when i wake up tomorrow.

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 03:12:24 AM »
i agree barrington!
i have just had a moan on another thread and saw other moaners i just wondered if anyone really saw this as a viable option? it was merely a flipant question

hes done an amazing job, and regardless of to the fact that his style of play is not as good as mowbray or rdms he kept us up and i think can establish us in the top flight
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Re: hodgson out??
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 04:54:38 AM »
Agreed mate. I was just thinking that if the shoe was on the other foot, we'd be having a bit of a laugh at Wolves fans for starting a thread like this when we're not even in the bottom three and started by playing well against Chelsea and man U who have been steamrollering through some other teams. I'm not overly pleased with some of the recent performances, to say the least, but if there's an experienced manager out there who we should have faith in long term (over the course of a whole season at least), it's Hodgson.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 06:33:24 AM »
Hell no. At that rate you'd be changing managers twice per year. Before long Diego Maradona would be in charge (having exhausted all other candidates with top-flight experience  :P ).
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 08:31:18 AM »
I just dont know..............a big part of me says better the devil you know but he does seem so naive tactically and so wrapped up in his own footballing philosophy which appears from afar to be alienating both players and spectators that the rest of me thinks it woudnt be all bad if he went now,either way i think the next three games will be decisive in his future with us as November the traditional sacking season will then be upon us :-\
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 08:43:28 AM »
Unbelievable! Are we adrift? Are we 15-20 games in? Are we assuming we are a lot better than in fact we are? The answer to one of these questions is yes.

Hodgson out? NO!

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hodgson out??
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 08:53:51 AM »
No, he's probably the best the best manager, with the most talented squad for a generation. Everybody needs to get behind him!! we getting ad bad as the dingles!

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Re: hodgson out??
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 09:14:04 AM »
If we lose at home to THEM, I will be very close to losing all patience with Roy. I'm not sure what viable options are out there to replace him but personally I don't think his methods will work for us in the long term.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 09:16:41 AM »
most fans would be happy with another season in the prem next season. are we in the relegation zone ? nope, therefore roy in.

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Re: hodgson out??
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 09:18:05 AM »
I think the biggest problem is certain Albion fans got rather big ego's when we went on a fabulous run at the end of last season, now it's back into battle and, as any normal person would expect, that run has ended these big heads who were predicting Europe have come crashing down to earth and either can't take it or don't have the balls for the fight that nearly ALLWAYS occurs in second season.

Get over yourselves, feel free to give constructive criticism but FFS don't go all knee jerky when, rightly or wrongly, it's plainly obvious that Roy has a plan and is in the midst of implimenting it.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 09:52:35 AM »
I think there is a percentage of our fans who would be happy to see Roy go, i personally want him to stay and give the bloke a chance. The season hasn’t started great but as it stands we are 4th from bottom after nearly a quarter of the season and as stated without playing well.

I think the end to last season brought expectations to a new high and perhaps that is the problem, we deserved to finish 11th last season but also in general last season the premiership was the most inconsistent ever with everybody beating each other and i think we benefitted from that.

The football hasn’t been great so far but we have to be patient, everybody keeps going on about 442 or 451, towards the end of RDM reign it was 451 didnt work and we had to go 442! Formations are important but its the players in the formation that are more important. Against Sunderland the first half hour we were quality with the 442 formation, some of the best football we have played this season, Sunderland scored and we stopped. I think that is as much down to our players confidence as it is tactics, formations, etc. I would be shocked if Roy yelled at the players as soon as Sunderland got the equaliser ‘right lets start hoofing it long’ Players low on confidence tend to just start taking the easy option and getting rid of the ball, pass the buck and if a mistake is made the pressure is off them, that happens at all levels from Prem to Sunday League. I

When Roy took over that group of players had won one game in 3 months, were playing with no skill or flair and conceding goals for fun, he sorted that out and we finished well, surely for that alone he deserves the time and chance to stamp his own ideas. If he insists on 442 then we have to trust him and give it a chance, i am sure JP will let Roy know if he outstays his welcome but whoever would come in would have their new ideas, it may have an instant impact (Ie – Roy last season) but then things will settle down, the new ideas will need time to settle and we will be having the same discussion again.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 09:54:40 AM »
If he goes now all the work he's put into evolving the squad into his system, that is slowly coming along, will be blown apart and we'll be in utter chaos.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 09:57:41 AM »
If we had escaped relegation by the skin of our teeth in 17th last season then I don't think people would be close to calling for his head yet, we need to realise that for the first two or three years if not longer for our club survival is the one and only target. He deserves time to turn things around, it isn't as if we are cut adrift at the bottom of the table.

Like most I'm not happy with the performances I've been seeing but I'm still confident we can turn things around and build on the two draws recently. Next two games are vital though, shame they are big derby games to be honest but if you can do well out of them it could be the boost you need.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2011, 10:36:54 AM »
At this moment in time I honestly don't know, some of whats gone on in games doesn't look like someone who knows what he's doing (cue the 35 years as a manager comments), some of his decisions are baffling, his substitutions staggering, comments he makes are too Mowbrayesque at times after games plus the gems on the OS (comparing Odemwingie's second season to Ronaldo's second season, revealing he didn't take Odemwingie off Saturday because he didn't want to destroy him), the square pegs/ round holes approach at times (ie Brunt continually playing in front of the back four, best left footed player we have, best crosser of a ball this club has seem for years and we keep piddling about with him in the middle)., persisting with the formation thats not working instead of changing it.

Do I want him out ? no, I want him to get it right but how long can we keep dropping points ? I know we over-achieved last season, anyone with half an ounce of sense should know that but if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it and last season it wasn't broke. He came in and tightened the defence which was needed but over the Summer he has tried to change the way we play and its not working. I hope it does at some stage but it needs to be quickly.

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2011, 10:43:07 AM »
I like Roy , it is hard though to watch his brand of football after being treated to Mowbray and RDM style of football,but that type of football most of the time will get you relegated unless you obviously have quality players. It is still early yet but the pressure is on , a win against Wolves and were on our way , however a defeat then were in trouble and if we keep performing badly and losing then r things may have to be changed. Lets just see where the next 6 games take us first.
 But like others on here , am not to happy at the moment, but knowing Albion we will go unbeaten for 6  games and the talk for europe will be back on  8) 
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2011, 11:07:34 AM »
brunt,mulumbu,scharner,thomas and dorrans are all shadows of there former selves. now is this down to the manager,coincidence, or did we all rate them to highly? take a look down the road at the midfield wolves pick. jarvis,hunt,ohara and henry. how many of those would you put in our team yet are deemed good enough to play in a 4. i think the future for roy sits in the hands of our midfielders. if they are unhappy with our tactics and balance then it will show in performance and attitude. for me it already as.... the jurys out for me.

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2011, 12:02:33 PM »
Im not necessarily saying i want him out at the moment, but I wouldnt mind if he got sacked.

Not because of the results so far which aren't THAT bad, but because of how we are seemingly surrendering games to teams who last season under RDM we would have been going out and trying to beat.

You can see Hodgson wants us to draw the majority of games 0-0 and that is not a team i personally want to watch, it may work and we may stay up, but at the moment i do not enjoy watching albion one bit, whereas for the last 5 or 6 seasons we have been a joy to watch.

There is definitely a middle ground between being too defensive and too gung-ho and if Hodgson was such a good manager surely he would find it, especially given the quality of players we currently have.

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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2011, 12:21:41 PM »
I dont particularly want him to go. Not because I think he's great but because I cant see the point in all the upheaval that comes with doing things like that.
I've said it before that he's got the wrong system (442), having said that we destroyed Sunderland for 20 minutes with this system.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2011, 12:29:38 PM »
Yes, it would be completely unjust to get rid of him and i hope this thread is gone when i wake up tomorrow.
Ditto...
Total Bull**** IMO...
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2011, 12:37:44 PM »
Ditto...
Total Bull£$% IMO...
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2011, 12:39:00 PM »
Nothing wrong with people stating an opinion and backing it up with their thoughts then opening it up to debate.

It's when people rant and rave theres a problem.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2011, 12:39:13 PM »
I think the problem is that in some ways we look back on last season with rose tinted glasses, for most of the last 10-12 games we were good and we stayed up.

However the three months prior to that we won 1 game against Blackpool, the football was poor and we were conceding goals so last season wasnt great all the way through, i personally think RDM would of just about kept us up but Roy came in and we finished strong, that alone should give him some breathing space and the opportunity to try his own ideas, they may work they may not but he deserves more than 8 games.

A lot of people are saying what about the form of Odemwingie, Brunt, Scharner, Mulumbu, Thomas etc well they are same players who went missing for the 3 months when RDM got the sack (probably except Mulumbu) so i think they need their share of the blame too, as stated previous there is a change in tactics and at the moment its not convincing but i think the players have to aska few questions of themselves too. After we had played so well first half hour saturday i find it hard to believe they were then instructed to just hoof it all the time, i think that comes down to Players decision making as much as the managers.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2011, 12:39:44 PM »
I dont want Hodgson out, im sure he will turn things around for us.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2011, 01:03:00 PM »
Definitely NO. Yes it's poor at the moment but I do believe it will get better.
 For 25 minutes on Saturday we looked good..then Sunderland scored and it all went a bit tits up. The heads went down and the midfield began to pass sideways and backwards and not link up with the front 2 but at the same time not really helping out the back 4 apart from Mulumbu.
We need to find a happy medium between the better defensive record we now have and the free flowing football we all crave to watch.
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