[Standaman]

I think there is a certain amount of misunderstanding on the use of data. it is not a question of "computer says No". Data models are way of processing information in a consistent unemotional way they assist decision making they do not replace it but are 100% better than relying on gut feel or vibes alone.

A lot of use of data in football has it's roots in sports betting. While listening to the interview I thought this guy or someone close to him has a background in sports betting just because of the way he was talking about game models in a way people operating in the sport betting space do.

 As recently as a 5 years ago that would have been the case but the ideas have become mainstream in football so the smarter operators are using data in a way that was common place in the sports betting.

The key concept here is that football is a low scoring high variance game and as such we are always dealing with the balance of probabilities. In sports betting if the model says that your bet has a 20% chance of winning but someone offers you 5/1 you take the bet but you expect to lose which is entirely rational although counter intuitive.

This is pretty much the same no matter how data is applied in the game. You can laud the successes or decry the failures which tends to be heavily correlated toward how you view the use of data in the first place. 

[HampshireBaggie]

One thing I would say, is if so sure on Mowbray (3rd on shortlist based on league positional performance according to the data) why was Wicky first choice?

[bangkokbaggie]

One thing I would say, is if so sure on Mowbray (3rd on shortlist based on league positional performance according to the data) why was Wicky first choice?

But did they ever consider whether he would be fully recovered from his serious illness, both mentally and physically, to face up to the challenge with all the pressures that come with it.

[MarkW]

One thing I would say, is if so sure on Mowbray (3rd on shortlist based on league positional performance according to the data) why was Wicky first choice?

I'm by no means wa ting to keep Mowbray, but the interview makes clear that Mowbray being top 3 was only one of the models they built. They will have had other models looking at other leagues and presumably Wicky did better in that

[boingboing1989]

If he gets rid of Mowbray over the weekend then I know they mean business.

Massive test for them now, do they admit they made a mistake or do they double down?

[gazberg]

One thing I would say, is if so sure on Mowbray (3rd on shortlist based on league positional performance according to the data) why was Wicky first choice?

I think they Mowbray was not under consideration purely because he couldnt be for medical reasons.

Once they found out that situation changed they waited for him

[Atomic]

If he gets rid of Mowbray over the weekend then I know they mean business.

Massive test for them now, do they admit they made a mistake or do they double down?

Yep. All eyes on Bilkul now. Not necessarily over the weekend but certainly in time for next season.

[alex1]

Owner was at the game today, so he will have picked up the mood from the fans.

[gazberg]

Owner was at the game today, so he will have picked up the mood from the fans.

He did not look happy

[bangkokbaggie]

He did not look happy

That's saying something as previously he always seemed to have a smile on his face.

[BalisPen]

He did not look happy

Hopefully, Nestor, who sat next too him, took a time out from looking at his phone to see what his
manager is doing to the team.

[Dexy]

I've never been quite sold on the early love in for Nestor , transfers have been mixed ( especially the 2 from Italy ) and the first real test in replacing Carlos hasn't gone well .
To go from Carlos and his intense defensive style to Mowbray and his attempt at attacking football was just to much of a jump and to be honest a bit naive of Nestor .
While its 10 X's better than Lai and co I hope lessons will be learned quickly.

[zippyandbungle]

I think they Mowbray was not under consideration purely because he couldnt be for medical reasons.

Once they found out that situation changed they waited for him

And waited
And waited
In fact I’m still waiting for him to start “managing”

[baggies_24]

I've never been quite sold on the early love in for Nestor , transfers have been mixed ( especially the 2 from Italy ) and the first real test in replacing Carlos hasn't gone well .
To go from Carlos and his intense defensive style to Mowbray and his attempt at attacking football was just to much of a jump and to be honest a bit naive of Nestor .
While its 10 X's better than Lai and co I hope lessons will be learned quickly.

Nestor made a comment at the start of the season saying the’d run a game model & believed the squad should finish 6 points better off than last year, at the time I thought it was fanciful & it’s looking pretty farcical now.

Corberan was desperate to get out of the club by the end, I do have this nagging feeling was it partly down to working with Nestor.

As you say it’s 10x better than last year & the Heggem, Price signings are encouraging but there is also the Frabotta, Cole signings & the managerial appointment looks to be the wrong one (not withstanding the process took far too long). It’s been a mixed bag so far.

[gazberg]

Nestor made a comment at the start of the season saying the’d run a game model & believed the squad should finish 6 points better off than last year, at the time I thought it was fanciful & it’s looking pretty farcical now.

Corberan was desperate to get out of the club by the end, I do have this nagging feeling was it partly down to working with Nestor.

As you say it’s 10x better than last year & the Heggem, Price signings are encouraging but there is also the Frabotta, Cole signings & the managerial appointment looks to be the wrong one (not withstanding the process took far too long). It’s been a mixed bag so far.

I do agree that Corberan wanted out partly due to Nestor influence. He had free reign under Lai pretty much. Under Bilkul that level.of authority was diminished

[liverbaggie]

Most signings are a hit and miss don't you think ,it's never perfect
But I believe we have a young exciting team in our squad ,once we've got rid of we all know how,so the summer should be an exciting time looking forward,if we can pick up 2 or 3 golden nuggets that'll be great ,the rest will be squad fillers,I'm actually not bothered about promotion this season I think we'll be debt free and ready to go,the trouble is this is Albion and I don't know who the manager is.
I admire Tony but at 60 years old I think we need someone around 40 to 50 someone eager and starving for success with a bit of bite in him, rather the opposite to Tony who seems like a grandad figure,no offence meant

[HampshireBaggie]

The record on signings has been good in my opinion.

Yes Cole, Frabrotta and Racic have/were been poor, but they were low cost.

Price, Styles, Heggem, Diakite, Johnston have been good.

Dobbin was Corberan.

Armstrong every top team wanted and poor form is down to coaching.

Lankshear looks handy and too early to judge Bany.

[BagAlbion123]

The record on signings has been good in my opinion.

Yes Cole, Frabrotta and Racic have/were been poor, but they were low cost.

Price, Styles, Heggem, Diakite, Johnston have been good.

Dobbin was Corberan.

Armstrong every top team wanted and poor form is down to coaching.

Lankshear looks handy and too early to judge Bany.

Price has not been good. He doesn't offer anything just good at the occasional set piece. Diakate barely plays so can't say he's a good signing. MJ has been found out and is now an avergage winger

[The Black Pearl]

I suspect Price is carrying an injury, he has not been the same since the International break.

[LiamTheBaggie]

Price has not been good. He doesn't offer anything just good at the occasional set piece.

Are you on the wind up?!

[Blowee]

I wonder what the computer says now? Don’t get me wrong we owe the new owners and their team a lot. However, using modern technology and data is all well and good but football is played and managed by humans on a pitch. It’s not Championship Manager. Sometimes you just have to see what’s going on in front of your eyes and deal with it. I hope Nester and the powers that be can forget the data occasionally and make decisions about people. Was Tony Mowbray the right decision? Computer says no for me!

[baggie82]

I wonder what the computer says now? Don’t get me wrong we owe the new owners and their team a lot. However, using modern technology and data is all well and good but football is played and managed by humans on a pitch. It’s not Championship Manager. Sometimes you just have to see what’s going on in front of your eyes and deal with it. I hope Nester and the powers that be can forget the data occasionally and make decisions about people. Was Tony Mowbray the right decision? Computer says no for me!

The computer gives the same result as last summer, the championship. We get to experience the best league in the world for another few months. This preseason is whole few months for our fans to pick that we are extremely average.

[zippyandbungle]

The computer gives the same result as last summer, the championship. We get to experience the best league in the world for another few months. This preseason is whole few months for our fans to pick that we are extremely average.

Anyway,no one has to agree as to whether the squad is average or not,but even if it is,there is still opportunity in the way the squad is used/trained and tactics implemented.
I don’t think anyone should accept that we are average and that outside the playoffs is ok…if we have LEFT BACK that hasn’t been used at left back,a loan striker that clearly needed to work in a two that was left solo ..then just dropped ,a midfielder who has never been given a fair run of games and wingers that are probably the best two in the league continually put in /out of the team so they and those around them can’t establish patterns/on pitch relationships .

Both managers have misused this squad (imo) but the current incumbent has made some absolutely atrocious decisions…and clearly watches a different game to the rest of us
Not to worry,Jed’s back 😞

Nestor now really needs to make a decision,and not one that involves just ignore it and hopefully it will get better .

[KN22]

Are you on the wind up?!

It has to be a wind up. The lad has been excellent.

[baggiejohn]

I wonder what the computer says now? Don’t get me wrong we owe the new owners and their team a lot. However, using modern technology and data is all well and good but football is played and managed by humans on a pitch. It’s not Championship Manager. Sometimes you just have to see what’s going on in front of your eyes and deal with it. I hope Nester and the powers that be can forget the data occasionally and make decisions about people. Was Tony Mowbray the right decision? Computer says no for me!

Abella is using data continuously in game & advising Mowbray, it's highly likely that Abella is highly influential in Mowbray's decisions.
What data can't allow for is two gifted goals & a red card, it was the human element that lost the game yesterday.