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Re: Carlos Corberan
« Reply #4150 on: December 08, 2024, 10:02:46 AM »
The simple answer is that even during a transitional period which we were in last year also , you would expect better results than we have amassed so far, better use of the options available to him and evolution rather than stagnation which is where we are?
Agreed, but that where the need for patience comes in.
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« Reply #4151 on: December 08, 2024, 10:19:44 AM »
The board (or people that invest the £s) said at the start of the season that we are in a transitional period and Corberan is a big part of that and more importantly that fans need to be patient ...which is where I think your argument falls down. You are not showing patience.
The board have said they expect us to be challengingfor promotion and we are...why would they sack a manager that is achieving what they expect?

Because from the resources which are currently at his disposal the manager isn't achieving what Zippyandbungle expects. If you're going to ask leading questions could you make them a little more challenging please? That one was far too easy; even for a Sunday morning. I don't see much of a future for you as a pub quiz host  ;D  ;) .
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« Reply #4152 on: December 08, 2024, 10:20:44 AM »
https://www.molineux.news/news/wolves-fans-wont-like-what-west-brom-boss-carlos-corberan-said-in-response-to-manager-rumours/
Wolves have basically ruled Carlos out as he doesn't have Premier League experience, not sure how reliable this source is but it is linked to the Wolves, so good news now come on Carlos get us back firing UTA
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« Reply #4153 on: December 08, 2024, 10:23:57 AM »
I think your Wolves mate is talking utter nonsense. Why would Carlos deny something that didn't happen?
Well he seemed to be asked about it, maybe he got confused, I've read it myself and Wolves themselves wouldn't want him he doesn't have Prem Experince, my mate did also later say he doesn't think he would come having read something himself and that he wouldn't want him anyway, he reckons someone like Potter, Moyes or Rob Edwards if he gets sacked would be who they go for. But he had believed as to had local news seemingly that Carlos had been approached by the Wolves.

I myself think Carlos is fantastic, we knew this season was going to be transitional, the fact we are still within 3 points of the playoffs is incredible, January is yet to come and we will See if Albion do any bussiness there, if we do that might mold the squad further how Carlos wants it to look, Football is a strange sport you go on bad runs, good runs or just simply do a Spurs. No one would have predicted that bar some miracle City have basically threw the title before Christmas no win in 6, winning then drawing to Palace, No one would have predicted Forest to be where they are by Christmas or Chelsea on the contrast, we over hyped ourselves during our good run, I was guilty of it everyone was we fell for the hype of thinking Carlos and this team was going to cruise to the league not factoring in, Leeds doing there usual thing, Burnley doing their thing, Sunderland looking finally like a team who can get Playoffs and even possibly compete, Luton doing so badly, Blackburn who have come from nowhere to be up there, Sheffield Wednesday breathing down our necks to. But whilst that happens it will all flip and we will catch fire again, Carlos will look like the 2nd coming and the teams who No one saw anywhere near will either fall or give us a good fight.

What Carlos has done here has made us believe and he has made mistakes everyone does, only he knows how to fix them and most Albion fans would still have him and trust him to fix them me being one, Carlos took us from relegation to playoffs with no help and improvement, he steadied the ship on the feild uniting the fans, we sold 20,000 season tickets out of 24,000 home Seats available and even then sell out most games because we back and believe Carlos, he United us allowing us to enjoy our football whilst wanting change, we got the change who back him and now he and them are still understanding each other trying to find the right players to take us back up, I never believed the Wolves rumours anyway considering Carlos is settled here, his kids support us and he loves the club. Now we can basically say the Wolves link was agent talk/Usual Headline click Bull, we can get back to focusing on what in reality 18 months ago seemed near On impossible and that is Albion possibly getting to another Play Off or Promotion or at least increasing our chances every season of getting Promotion
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« Reply #4154 on: December 08, 2024, 05:06:07 PM »
Better today from the last manager. Let the lads play and they did, dominated the best team in the league for good chunks.

Better subs too. No Dobbin or Wallace subbed on either, we didn't miss them.

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« Reply #4155 on: December 08, 2024, 05:39:42 PM »
Better today from the last manager. Let the lads play and they did, dominated the best team in the league for good chunks.

Better subs too. No Dobbin or Wallace subbed on either, we didn't miss them.

I’d rather Maja and Johnston stayed on, it was the 85th minute so does that 9 minutes give them more rest? That aside, it was great to see Wallace stay on the bench.
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Re: Carlos Corberan
« Reply #4156 on: December 08, 2024, 05:42:27 PM »
No complaints from me today re Carlos.

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« Reply #4157 on: December 08, 2024, 05:44:48 PM »
I’d rather Maja and Johnston stayed on, it was the 85th minute so does that 9 minutes give them more rest? That aside, it was great to see Wallace stay on the bench.

Same regarding keeping them on but it's steps in the right direction for me.

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« Reply #4158 on: December 08, 2024, 06:46:04 PM »
I am still in the the last manager camp, I have concerns about him making "mistakes" in selection,  subs and timings on an ongoing basi, such that it was no longer mistakes but a pattern of behaviour. Hopefully today we saw some of these patterns have ended.
The club needs to break the cycle of short term chopping and changing and for me the last manager is integral to this. But please take the brakes off Carlos
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« Reply #4159 on: December 08, 2024, 06:50:03 PM »
I am still in the the last manager camp, I have concerns about him making "mistakes" in selection,  subs and timings on an ongoing basi, such that it was no longer mistakes but a pattern of behaviour. Hopefully today we saw some of these patterns have ended.
The club needs to break the cycle of short term chopping and changing and for me the last manager is integral to this. But please take the brakes off Carlos
He surely did, didn't he? Good selection, good formation, good tactics today for me.

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« Reply #4160 on: December 08, 2024, 06:51:30 PM »
He surely did, didn't he? Good selection, good formation, good tactics today for me.
Perhaps I should have said "keep the brake off"
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« Reply #4161 on: December 08, 2024, 07:07:16 PM »
He surely did, didn't he? Good selection, good formation, good tactics today for me.
Perhaps I should have said "keep the brake off"
Ah yes, that makes more sense. I hope so too, even if it means the odd defeat along the way.
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« Reply #4162 on: December 08, 2024, 08:28:17 PM »
Because from the resources which are currently at his disposal the manager isn't achieving what Zippyandbungle expects. If you're going to ask leading questions could you make them a little more challenging please? That one was far too easy; even for a Sunday morning. I don't see much of a future for you as a pub quiz host  ;D  ;) .
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If I were in charge he would be gone by now…not because I don’t like him (I’ve never met him) but because I think he has a better squad to work with than last season,we have had opportunities to take games and we have sat back ,we haven’t used players that were brought in correctly and we have put the mighty Jed on for 2 minutes…

If youre going to get told off, get told off for doing something not for doing nothing..

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« Reply #4163 on: December 09, 2024, 06:58:48 AM »
I expect better from you
If I were in charge he would be gone by now…not because I don’t like him (I’ve never met him) but because I think he has a better squad to work with than last season,we have had opportunities to take games and we have sat back ,we haven’t used players that were brought in correctly and we have put the mighty Jed on for 2 minutes…

'I really don't know why'....... as stated to any number of teachers when I was at school  ;D .
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« Reply #4164 on: December 09, 2024, 11:14:27 AM »
No complaints from me - much better showing. 

It's the side I would have started and the handbrake was off. 

More of that and I'll have no complaints.
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« Reply #4165 on: December 09, 2024, 11:22:59 AM »
I’d rather Maja and Johnston stayed on, it was the 85th minute so does that 9 minutes give them more rest? That aside, it was great to see Wallace stay on the bench.

I'm not sure that "rest" is the objective.

When the oppposition have been "marking" a player for 85 minutes they start to get comfortable, bringing on another player blindsides them for a few minutes, giving us an advantage.
If it was easy, it wouldn't be Albion

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« Reply #4166 on: December 09, 2024, 11:35:55 AM »
I'm not sure that "rest" is the objective.

When the oppposition have been "marking" a player for 85 minutes they start to get comfortable, bringing on another player blindsides them for a few minutes, giving us an advantage.

I would completely agree with you, however, Johnston was playing well and Swift was very poor when he came on and Devante Cole was not an upgrade on Maja, who would possibly had made a better run for Grant’s late cross.
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« Reply #4167 on: December 09, 2024, 12:18:05 PM »
Keep playing like that and we will win some and  lose some but our points will increase overall, onwards and upwards.

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« Reply #4168 on: December 09, 2024, 12:22:34 PM »
i think we need a more active January than we usually have at the Albion this season.

the last manager i think is making a point by certain players that aren't getting much game time (Wallace for example) that we need to move on in January not the summer window, they will also need replacing/upgrading.

if we do this we have a shot of being there or thereabouts come end of the season, more importantly i think it shows the last manager that we are serious.

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« Reply #4169 on: December 11, 2024, 05:17:50 PM »
I was running some numbers and ai hadn't quite released the extent of our drop off in scoring goals this year.

So far we've scored 21 goals in 19 games, which projects to about 51 goals this season.

Last year we scored 70 goals.

On the flip side, last year we conceded 47 goals and we're on course to concede 34.

So our attack could reduce by 19 goals, but our defence improves by 13, so a net loss of 6 goals we're worse off.

Also, last year we failed to score in 9 games across the season, this year we have failed to score in 7 games already.

Of course things change across a season and there's no guarantee what has happened so far is indicative of what will happen in future games, but I was quite shocked at those figures.

Not a post to criticise the last manager but I hadn't quite released just how stark the difference is between this year and last.
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« Reply #4170 on: December 12, 2024, 03:35:17 AM »
I wonder why this thread is so quiet after a win?

Great win and hopefully many more to come.

I recall the last manager had a 20 plus games unbeaten run at the terriers and it would be interesting to know how many were draws then.

Obviously, we have had too many draws but that is down to our off form mf players but, you have to admire that we have only lost 2 games and they came in the space of a few days.




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« Reply #4171 on: December 12, 2024, 04:03:32 AM »
I wonder why this thread is so quiet after a win?

Great win and hopefully many more to come.

I recall the last manager had a 20 plus games unbeaten run at the terriers and it would be interesting to know how many were draws then.

Obviously, we have had too many draws but that is down to our off form mf players but, you have to admire that we have only lost 2 games and they came in the space of a few days.





Because you posted at 3:35am?! I'm in a different timezone - what's your excuse?  :D

He had a 17 game unbeaten run which had 9 wins, with the highest number of consecutive draws in that run being 2.

They then lost two games but finished the season unbeaten in 7, winning 6
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« Reply #4172 on: December 12, 2024, 07:02:17 AM »
I get why the last manager took Maja off for Swift at half time. Maja struggled to affect the game and looked tired. I don’t agree that it gave us more control with an extra midfield player. If anything Coventry controlled the second half and seemed to create more chances than in the first half. Perhaps I’m missing something but for me the last manager saw a different second half to me.

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« Reply #4173 on: December 12, 2024, 07:20:34 AM »
I thought we were lucky to win ,Coventry had some fantastic chances which they should have scored,when we play like we did against Sheffield United and the first 10 mins last night we look dangerous and it’s decent to watch ,but as soon as we scored we sat back and didn’t look threatening at all until grant brilliant goal !he invites pressure on us for no reason when we’re not exactly great at the back
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« Reply #4174 on: December 12, 2024, 12:10:28 PM »
I think we rode our luck last night. any other game we could have lost it, but we didn't. Onwards my friends! ( MacMaster)