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Re: Carlos Corberan
« Reply #3700 on: October 26, 2024, 10:14:06 PM »
When I noticed Cole had been promoted from the bomb squad to the bench I had hopes that we might try something different. Maybe 12 corners wasn't enough to throw a 6ft striker into the mix.
Dropped the 2 best players from Wednesday in Molumby and Grant.yet found a place for Grady who was poor.
Several times today we had Mowett and Swift in the back line, why?
He's obsessed with an over reliance on wide men that ain't producing, he could try Maja in the 10 role and Cole as a target man play a bit more direct because at the moment this tippy tappy football isn't working.
Thought Racic and Heggem had good games but Ajayi was poor.


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« Reply #3701 on: October 26, 2024, 10:30:38 PM »
It’s up to Carlos now. Either he uses his coaching skills to find a way to stop playing boring, predictable football or the owners will fire him. I would say he has 5 games. If we’re still not winning games by then they may pull the trigger. I hope he gets us winning again, I like him , but at this rate I fear we may have a new manager to oversee the January signings.

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« Reply #3702 on: October 26, 2024, 10:50:38 PM »
It’s up to Carlos now. Either he uses his coaching skills to find a way to stop playing boring, predictable football or the owners will fire him. I would say he has 5 games. If we’re still not winning games by then they may pull the trigger. I hope he gets us winning again, I like him , but at this rate I fear we may have a new manager to oversee the January signings.

Why on earth would they fire him ? They would look like an absolute bunch of idiots !

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« Reply #3703 on: October 26, 2024, 11:04:51 PM »
It’s up to Carlos now. Either he uses his coaching skills to find a way to stop playing boring, predictable football or the owners will fire him. I would say he has 5 games. If we’re still not winning games by then they may pull the trigger. I hope he gets us winning again, I like him , but at this rate I fear we may have a new manager to oversee the January signings.

As you say.. He is intransigent. A stick in the mud is an old interpretation. He has to look and feel what is happening to us. I don't think that he does that now. He just blunders on.

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« Reply #3704 on: October 26, 2024, 11:12:39 PM »
Football is increasingly decided by fine margins. We could easily have won our last three games if we had converted some good chances or had key decisions go our way. If we had, we'd be sitting at the top of the league. Quality attacking players make the difference in tight games, and unfortunately, we either lack enough of them, or the ones we have are out of form.

Criticizing Corberan is understandable—when our form dips, it’s natural to look for answers. But the reality is, we’re an average Championship team, and our manager has likely been helping us overachieve. We’re probably about where we should be in the league. Think about it: how many of our players would attract interest from Premier League clubs? Maybe Fellows, because of his potential, but that’s about it.

As fans, we all want to be challenging for the league, but realistically, our squad doesn’t justify those expectations. The only reason we believed we could is because of our manager—and now he’s being blamed. I'm not so sure that's fair.


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« Reply #3705 on: October 26, 2024, 11:18:21 PM »
Why on earth would they fire him ? They would look like an absolute bunch of idiots !
They won't sack him unless we go on an unbelievable plummet down the table, which we won't. Some people are having a knee jerk reaction and blowing things out of all proportion, but I believe the owners will have a more balanced and nuanced view of things.

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« Reply #3706 on: October 26, 2024, 11:21:20 PM »
Football is increasingly decided by fine margins. We could easily have won our last three games if we had converted some good chances or had key decisions go our way. If we had, we'd be sitting at the top of the league. Quality attacking players make the difference in tight games, and unfortunately, we either lack enough of them, or the ones we have are out of form.

Criticizing Corberan is understandable—when our form dips, it’s natural to look for answers. But the reality is, we’re an average Championship team, and our manager has likely been helping us overachieve. We’re probably about where we should be in the league. Think about it: how many of our players would attract interest from Premier League clubs? Maybe Fellows, because of his potential, but that’s about it.

As fans, we all want to be challenging for the league, but realistically, our squad doesn’t justify those expectations. The only reason we believed we could is because of our manager—and now he’s being blamed. I'm not so sure that's fair.
If all football fans were fair, I guess we wouldn't have a forum worth having. That aside, I agree with everything you say.

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« Reply #3707 on: October 26, 2024, 11:23:33 PM »
They won't sack him unless we go on an unbelievable plummet down the table, which we won't. Some people are having a knee jerk reaction and blowing things out of all proportion, but I believe the owners will have a more balanced and nuanced view of things.

I think you’re right. Last 3 games, despite some indifferent performances, could all have been won if not for poor defending, Oxford, and poor finishing v Blackburn and Cardiff.

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« Reply #3708 on: October 26, 2024, 11:26:50 PM »

As you say.. He is intransigent. A stick in the mud is an old interpretation. He has to look and feel what is happening to us. I don't think that he does that now. He just blunders on.
That would be fair comment if he had been appointed in the summer and we were in the relegation zone. But the reality is that he saved us from going down to League 1 in his first season, got us to the play offs in the second season while there was absolutely no support from the owner, and now has us in the play off positions again having had zero money to spend. Pretty good I'd say for someone who just blunders on !!

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« Reply #3709 on: October 27, 2024, 01:18:37 AM »
Wish he would take handbrake off and just go for it needs to get his wide men involved more and speed the game up.

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« Reply #3710 on: October 27, 2024, 06:50:55 AM »
I’m going to say it again
We’ve hit a dip in form - understandable as that opening runof results was never going to continue
Look at where we are and where the club is heading in the long term.
People calling for his head- OMG.
This isn’t about promotion, it’s about transition into being a sustainable club after the mess that Lai & Co left us in.
Letting Carlos go would be a huge mistake.
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« Reply #3711 on: October 27, 2024, 08:39:55 AM »
We're largely doing the right things and getting into the right areas of the pitch in the opposition half, whilst also keeping clean sheets. The only problem is through lack of talent or just incompetence in certain moments, we're not getting the final ball right or the shots on goal aren't good enough, at the moment.

Carlos can't play that final pass or shoot that shot for them. We should have won yesterday but it was just individuals not doing things well enough at the final hurdle that cost us the win. The overall performance was absolutely fine.

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« Reply #3712 on: October 27, 2024, 09:01:21 AM »
We're largely doing the right things and getting into the right areas of the pitch in the opposition half, whilst also keeping clean sheets. The only problem is through lack of talent or just incompetence in certain moments, we're not getting the final ball right or the shots on goal aren't good enough, at the moment.

Carlos can't play that final pass or shoot that shot for them. We should have won yesterday but it was just individuals not doing things well enough at the final hurdle that cost us the win. The overall performance was absolutely fine.
Another post saying that Carlos doesn’t take the shots etc
He picks the team,he sets them up ,he gives them the direction

He also has the option to utilise the personnel at his disposal and has generally decided against .
Wallace has had more minutes than Cole …just pointless
If youre going to get told off, get told off for doing something not for doing nothing..

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« Reply #3713 on: October 27, 2024, 09:21:46 AM »
He also has the option to utilise the personnel at his disposal and has generally decided against .
Wallace has had more minutes than Cole …just pointless

The problem is, none of them are amazingly better than the others. I would probably play Fellows instead of Diangana just because he can regularly get a good cross in when they're not doubling up on him. On the other side there's not much in it between Grant and Johnston at the moment. Corberan obviously hasn't seen enough in training from Cole.

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« Reply #3714 on: October 27, 2024, 09:22:06 AM »
We're largely doing the right things and getting into the right areas of the pitch in the opposition half, whilst also keeping clean sheets. The only problem is through lack of talent or just incompetence in certain moments, we're not getting the final ball right or the shots on goal aren't good enough, at the moment.

Carlos can't play that final pass or shoot that shot for them. We should have won yesterday but it was just individuals not doing things well enough at the final hurdle that cost us the win. The overall performance was absolutely fine.

Absolutely correct and there was no lack of effort from the players either. Dull as dish water at times and not my starting eleven but a couple of individual mistakes and some poor misses aside we were fine on the whole and really ought to have won.
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Re: Carlos Corberan
« Reply #3715 on: October 27, 2024, 09:28:27 AM »
Without entertaining the supporters, they won't back the team and it is a downward spiral.

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« Reply #3716 on: October 27, 2024, 09:30:26 AM »
Another post saying that Carlos doesn’t take the shots etc
He picks the team,he sets them up ,he gives them the direction

He also has the option to utilise the personnel at his disposal and has generally decided against .
Wallace has had more minutes than Cole …just pointless
The direction was fine yesterday , the finishing was awful. As for selection it wouldn’t have been mine but could understand it coming off a short turn round from Wednesday night .Surprised about the non use of Cole yesterday but by starting Maja for all 3 games I think CC is making his own statement on him ( Cole)
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« Reply #3717 on: October 27, 2024, 10:02:45 AM »
I think we have to apply this sticky period of form (and, at times, tedious levels of entertainment) with a bit of nuance, which I find football fans do sometimes lack.

We haven't played well these last 6 or so games, perhaps in flashes. Corberan has been rigid in his formations (which are less of a thing in modern football) or structure. Some players have been playing when perhaps their performances have not warranted their selection. The subs have come too late. And, most frustratingly for me on a personal level, the style of football - slow, chess-like - continues deep into the second half, when we need urgency and the ability to mix it up with direct balls to wingers or turning the opposition over quickly.

However, let's take a breath and look at the other side of the coin. Fans (me included) have called for others to be given a chance and players like MJ just have not produced. Even Callum Styles yesterday, who I wanted to start at LB to provide a further attacking impetus, I thought was poor. He was beaten far too easily from a defensive POV, looked fairly weak and his crossing was wayward. Hopefully he improves as, of course, he'll be rusty. And Devante Cole, who I would have given minutes to from the bench: Coberban sees him every single day and perhaps we need to trust that a player who has been fairly average throughout his career and perhaps the manager did not want, isn't quite up to it.

It's clear Corberan now needs to serious reflect and hopefully the change in results is coming. He deserves criticism, but for anybody to question his position as manager, for everything he has done for the club and the fact that we are sitting in 5th and could have won at least 2/3 of the last 6 on chances created is beyond me. He has to improve in areas of his management but did he miss Furlong's free header from 8 yards or Swift's easy pass into the bottom corner yesterday?

A frustrating time but some perspective is needed IMO.

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« Reply #3718 on: October 27, 2024, 10:38:01 AM »

He is the guy who saved us from oblivion and over performed to get us to near promotion under the worst ownership catastrophe imaginable.

Whether we like it or not we are in a re-building phase and everyone has to be in it for the long haul, the owners are and the coaches are, and so do we need to be.

 This is a dip in form, we are still in real contention, and I have faith that he will change things as required and keep us there.

He is our best asset, talks of dumping him at this stage  are utterly ridiculous and would throw the Club into complete and unnecessary chaos.


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« Reply #3719 on: October 27, 2024, 11:03:44 AM »
I’m not Corberan out but there’s a big problem at the moment and he’s part of that problem. A decent portion of this forum felt this squad was capable of top 2! Whilst I didn’t, it’s better than it’s shown over the past 6 games.

Look at our next 9 fixtures. If something doesn’t change and fast I wouldn’t put my mortgage on him being here come Jan 1st as that’s a horrible run of matches to go in to. 

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« Reply #3720 on: October 27, 2024, 11:06:10 AM »
I’m not Corberan out but there’s a big problem at the moment and he’s part of that problem. A decent portion of this forum felt this squad was capable of top 2! Whilst I didn’t, it’s better than it’s shown over the past 6 games.

Look at our next 9 fixtures. If something doesn’t change and fast I wouldn’t put my mortgage on him being here come Jan 1st as that’s a horrible run of matches to go in to.


Agreed, i too think a decision will be reached on him by Bilkul by Jan.

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« Reply #3721 on: October 27, 2024, 11:18:45 AM »

Agreed, i too think a decision will be reached on him by Bilkul by Jan.

That’s not quite my point. There’s isn’t necessarily a decision to make, if we start picking up wins again. I just think it’s hard to see the next one at the moment and inevitably if we don’t start getting them soon it’ll tend to lead to one thing.

Can he survive 3 wins in 15? Not sure. Can I see 3 wins in the next 9? Right now I can’t.

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« Reply #3722 on: October 27, 2024, 11:28:14 AM »
It's all what 'ifs' and 'maybes'.

it's a tough run of fixtures but in Corberan's time at the club we have usually performed well against the 'better' teams in the league.

I'm not supporting his style of play at the moment - particularly against, on paper, 'weaker' teams like Millwall and Cardiff at home - but his defensive/controlled style would probably suit playing against teams like Sunderland, Burnley and Norwich.

Let's see, and as we always say: football is all about opinions. I'm just curious as to who his doubters would prefer in the hot seat at the moment.

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« Reply #3723 on: October 27, 2024, 11:33:16 AM »
That’s not quite my point. There’s isn’t necessarily a decision to make, if we start picking up wins again. I just think it’s hard to see the next one at the moment and inevitably if we don’t start getting them soon it’ll tend to lead to one thing.

Can he survive 3 wins in 15? Not sure. Can I see 3 wins in the next 9? Right now I can’t.

I don't think he will turn things around so my comment was from that starting position. A decision will have to be made.

I don't see us losing too many teams but i don't see us winning many either. I can't see Bilkul standing for it long-term.

My memory may be hazy but i'm sure start of season one of the more ITK people on here posted something about Bilkul expect play offs at a minimum behind the scenes.

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« Reply #3724 on: October 27, 2024, 12:51:36 PM »
If he had been given a lot of cash to spend then that might have been a reasonable expectation of Bilkul but he hasn't and  I don't think expectations of this season are much above build for the future, get a younger squad and make the academy more effective. The expectation of some fans is rather beyond the present squad's capabilities.

He is being slated by some on here for not trying out a L1 player. It's pretty obvious that he doesn't rate the forces at his disposal and is trying to compensate by coaching those forces to play to a disciplined structure.  Similar, I think to Roy Hodgson's methods.

I am disappointed that academy players have not been tried and that some additions to the squad are not as good as the ones we had to let go.  But I don't see how we can afford to acquire any better ones.
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