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« Reply #3675 on: October 26, 2024, 06:54:50 PM »
I would play Fellows and Johnston together, i thought that was the plan, tie up four defenders and expose the opposition centre, allowing our midfielders more space to be more direct.
But what do I know.
From an armchair i am still a Carlos believer, but I can clearly see that from the stands, where fans have to pay hard earned cash to watch, the belief is beginning to wear thin.
 I thought we changed our name from Strollers a long time ago, but it appears to have made somewhat of a comeback.
But something definitely has to change......anything.
Yes, this strolling about at the back by Palmer, Ajayi and whoever has come back from midfield is very strange and as many have said, all it does is let the opposition get into shape.  It is obviously part of a plan that comes from the top. 

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« Reply #3676 on: October 26, 2024, 07:01:17 PM »
I’ll say what I said v Blackburn , this slow pace from the back results in boring football . Can’t fault the clean sheets but attacking wise there is very little.

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« Reply #3677 on: October 26, 2024, 07:15:35 PM »
People say very little in terms of chances but again there were multiple chances that players failed to convert again as well as a cracking save.

In my opinion - and that’s the key part, I think some are massively catastrophising a poor run of form. I was only have watching (as I’m at work 🤣) so the boredom has not influenced how I feel but what I saw was definitely enough chances to win.

Mowatt and Swift are dropping deep because the defenders can’t pass out. I know some are finding this frustrating as it’s causing the team to drop deeper but the chances are still being created and Corberan has instructed this to remedy the lack of Kipre. Yokuslu did it last year too.

We aren’t playing brilliantly but I think it’s nothing more than being off form, much like the beginning of the season we were red hot it didn’t mean we were going to win the league.

I respect your opinions but I massively disagree. I disagree though that he needs to find some answers and I’m confident he will, given time.
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« Reply #3678 on: October 26, 2024, 07:17:28 PM »
No manager should expect not to be criticised after 6 without a win but i can't help but feel today regardless of how boring the football was we had more than enough chances in that first half to win. I'm not sure why our finishing tends to be so bad at home.

I trust him to turn this around and calling for him to go in my opinion is ridiculous when were 3 points off the automatic places, not 3 points off 24th. That being said it's clear to everyone that something needs to change in the balance of the team and a few things need freshening up.
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« Reply #3679 on: October 26, 2024, 07:47:34 PM »
No manager should expect not to be criticised after 6 without a win but i can't help but feel today regardless of how boring the football was we had more than enough chances in that first half to win. I'm not sure why our finishing tends to be so bad at home.

I trust him to turn this around and calling for him to go in my opinion is ridiculous when were 3 points off the automatic places, not 3 points off 24th. That being said it's clear to everyone that something needs to change in the balance of the team and a few things need freshening up.

Like the Oxford and Blackburn games, I thought today was pretty even. Robinson hit the bar in the first half and arguably they had the better chances in the second half. I still rate Corberan and want him in charge...BUT I doubt the owners are too happy with how some of their signings have been used given our current context.

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« Reply #3680 on: October 26, 2024, 07:50:49 PM »
I’m staggered at anyone calling for his head, or nonplussed if he goes

I’m firmly behind him

It's staggering what I am reading! Aside from Sunderland everyone else is having an indifferent season too! Besides who else is out there?

Absolutely ludicrous to suggest CC should go. He will sort it out!

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« Reply #3681 on: October 26, 2024, 08:01:42 PM »
It's staggering what I am reading! Aside from Sunderland everyone else is having an indifferent season too! Besides who else is out there?

Absolutely ludicrous to suggest CC should go. He will sort it out!
Ludicrous in your opinion
People keep saying they have faith in him turning it around
But not one person can explain why he brought Wallace on at Blackburn for 1 minute ???
6 games no wins
Scored one in the last 5 and non in the last 3 home matches
The squad rotation and lack of it is shambolic …
But he’s not Bruce so yeah it’ll all be ok .
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« Reply #3682 on: October 26, 2024, 08:07:06 PM »
It's staggering what I am reading! Aside from Sunderland everyone else is having an indifferent season too! Besides who else is out there?

Absolutely ludicrous to suggest CC should go. He will sort it out!

Spot on
Burnley three 0-0s in their last 6 is Parker under fire?

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« Reply #3683 on: October 26, 2024, 08:14:17 PM »
Oxford CC made some strange substitutions and so may be deemed partly to blame for us gaining only one point at a team that hasn’t lost at home
Wednesday we got a point away again at a team that had won every home game . Is it possible he made his bizarre to some last minute substitutions just to throw something different at a defence that had kept us at bay until then !
Today he made a few changes , lost one of our centre backs early on, watched as his team made and missed a shed load of chances then lost their other starting centre half so maybe they were with some justification a little careful late on.
If any of the above are grounds for a sacking then not only am I totally gobsmacked but it will be an undermining of all that Mr. Patel has said about building for the future
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« Reply #3684 on: October 26, 2024, 08:26:33 PM »
Ludicrous in your opinion
People keep saying they have faith in him turning it around
But not one person can explain why he brought Wallace on at Blackburn for 1 minute ???
6 games no wins
Scored one in the last 5 and non in the last 3 home matches
The squad rotation and lack of it is shambolic …
But he’s not Bruce so yeah it’ll all be ok .

You talk about the last 6, the first 5 games we won 4 and drew 1. You can't just take into account the last 6 games and claim he has to go without acknowledging what a good job was done in the first 5. That's why i have faith he can turn it around because he has already proven this season he can put out a team that can do it.

His issue is that we started off so well it set a standard with people that they are all falling short of at the moment. If we're sacking managers when they have 6 iffy games then were going to make Watford look a stable club. Again, this does not mean we are not allowed to criticise him because we are.
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« Reply #3685 on: October 26, 2024, 09:03:11 PM »
Spot on
Burnley three 0-0s in their last 6 is Parker under fire?
Burnley that haven’t lost this season
Won 4/9 and beat Leeds away in the process
So no…I wouldn’t have thought so
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« Reply #3686 on: October 26, 2024, 09:11:51 PM »
You talk about the last 6, the first 5 games we won 4 and drew 1. You can't just take into account the last 6 games and claim he has to go without acknowledging what a good job was done in the first 5. That's why i have faith he can turn it around because he has already proven this season he can put out a team that can do it.

His issue is that we started off so well it set a standard with people that they are all falling short of at the moment. If we're sacking managers when they have 6 iffy games then were going to make Watford look a stable club. Again, this does not mean we are not allowed to criticise him because we are.
The 4 wins came against clubs that are currently in the bottom 6…..scrapping a win against Plymouth who have been absolutely smashed by Cardiff and Sheff Weds.
He has a squad of decent players and he has decided that he isn’t going to use half of them …Diakite/Frabrotta came on vs Stoke played well…bombed,styles came on vs boro played well bombed and only got minutes now due to successive players getting injured
Cole our only other recognised striker not even afforded a place on the bench of 9 places
Racic,in /out shake it all about
Diangana …atrocious but keeps his place ,whilst Grant who has been fantastic has to drop to the bench
Mulumby was great against Blackburn…bombed
And then shoehorning his mate Jed in wherever he can…
Thankfully the owners won’t put up with it for too long.
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« Reply #3687 on: October 26, 2024, 09:22:05 PM »
Ludicrous in your opinion
People keep saying they have faith in him turning it around
But not one person can explain why he brought Wallace on at Blackburn for 1 minute ???
6 games no wins
Scored one in the last 5 and non in the last 3 home matches
The squad rotation and lack of it is shambolic …
But he’s not Bruce so yeah it’ll all be ok .
Probably because no one can be bothered because it's hardly a big deal. It was one minute. People are perfectly reasonably judging him over the last 2 years.

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« Reply #3688 on: October 26, 2024, 09:25:29 PM »
Don’t think people were ‘bombed ‘ this week . More like a case of fresh legs in the case of Molumby, who they still seem to be very wary of over working after his injuries, and Grant and I have no doubt that if CC thought Cole was good enough he wouldn’t have started Maja in all 3 games either
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« Reply #3689 on: October 26, 2024, 09:27:48 PM »
Probably because no one can be bothered because it's hardly a big deal. It was one minute. People are perfectly reasonably judging him over the last 2 years.
We were attacking,in injury time,we get a throw in and he makes the decision to bring him on for 1 minute …there is no serious explanation,it is really poor in game management…
And out of everything I listed that is the only point that you respond too .

I get there are some (most in fact) that rate him because of where we were when he came in,and getting to the play offs etc etc …but even Wenger/Mourinho have a shelf life ….he isn’t sorting the very obvious things that people can see .
Loyalty is a great thing…I get it,but how long do we carry the decline in play and tactical nous before a deduction must be made ?
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« Reply #3690 on: October 26, 2024, 09:28:58 PM »
Burnley that haven’t lost this season
Won 4/9 and beat Leeds away in the process
So no…I wouldn’t have thought so
I thought they lost to Sunderland. But you're probably right. You usually are 

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« Reply #3691 on: October 26, 2024, 09:30:52 PM »
I thought they lost to Sunderland. But you're probably right. You usually are
You are correct I was only looking at the last 9
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« Reply #3692 on: October 26, 2024, 09:32:56 PM »
We were attacking,in injury time,we get a throw in and he makes the decision to bring him on for 1 minute …there is no serious explanation,it is really poor in game management…
And out of everything I listed that is the only point that you respond too .

I get there are some (most in fact) that rate him because of where we were when he came in,and getting to the play offs etc etc …but even Wenger/Mourinho have a shelf life ….he isn’t sorting the very obvious things that people can see .
Loyalty is a great thing…I get it,but how long do we carry the decline in play and tactical nous before a deduction must be made ?
I think you are getting mixed up again. Deductions can only be made for financial irregularities or something serious like that, not for drawing the last 4 games  ;D
There you go, that's another 2 I've responded to.

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« Reply #3693 on: October 26, 2024, 09:34:25 PM »
I think you are getting mixed up again. Deductions can only be made for financial irregularities or something serious like that, not for drawing the last 4 games  ;D
There you go, that's another 2 I've responded to.
Very well done
I’m glad it’s keeping your mind off the dross the Manager keeps serving up .
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« Reply #3694 on: October 26, 2024, 09:34:36 PM »
Don’t think people were ‘bombed ‘ this week . More like a case of fresh legs in the case of Molumby, who they still seem to be very wary of over working after his injuries, and Grant and I have no doubt that if CC thought Cole was good enough he wouldn’t have started Maja in all 3 games either
How does he know when he doesn’t give him a chance ?bearing in mind he gave assante a ruck fall of chances and Cole’s record in the in the leagues below the championship is miles better!just plain ignorant to me that he doesn’t change formation or tactics when we’re struggling to score,the home games this season have been as dull as they can get and that’s on the manager for me being stubborn

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« Reply #3695 on: October 26, 2024, 09:40:18 PM »
Don’t think people were ‘bombed ‘ this week . More like a case of fresh legs in the case of Molumby, who they still seem to be very wary of over working after his injuries, and Grant and I have no doubt that if CC thought Cole was good enough he wouldn’t have started Maja in all 3 games either
But this week there is no midweek game …and he was on the bench so should be fit enough
All season Corberan has brought players on and then pushed them completely out of the next match day squad
McNair would have no minutes but for Bartleys injury ,same for Holgate ,but Semi and Bartley have been slow and ponderous and repeatedly put us under our own pressure.
Even if they really felt they needed to rest mulumby …then bring in Diakite or Styles in midfield to put some bite in there….we had swift/Mowatt and Racic through the middle…not exactly known for pressing and putting a foot in?
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« Reply #3696 on: October 26, 2024, 09:47:22 PM »
Oxford CC made some strange substitutions and so may be deemed partly to blame for us gaining only one point at a team that hasn’t lost at home
Wednesday we got a point away again at a team that had won every home game . Is it possible he made his bizarre to some last minute substitutions just to throw something different at a defence that had kept us at bay until then !
Today he made a few changes , lost one of our centre backs early on, watched as his team made and missed a shed load of chances then lost their other starting centre half so maybe they were with some justification a little careful late on.
If any of the above are grounds for a sacking then not only am I totally gobsmacked but it will be an undermining of all that Mr. Patel has said about building for the future
How many of these shed load of chances did we create from open play?
I would argue Cardiff created more clearer chances from open play
I’m not anti Corberan my only frustration is his insistence at doing like for like subs and not seemingly having a plan b

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« Reply #3697 on: October 26, 2024, 09:54:33 PM »
How does he know when he doesn’t give him a chance ?bearing in mind he gave assante a ruck fall of chances and Cole’s record in the in the leagues below the championship is miles better!just plain ignorant to me that he doesn’t change formation or tactics when we’re struggling to score,the home games this season have been as dull as they can get and that’s on the manager for me being stubborn
But that's the thing. He DOES give him a chance. Every day in training CC sees him, assesses him, tests him, as do the other coaches. Now, on what basis do you, and others calling for him to be included, think he IS good enough?

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« Reply #3698 on: October 26, 2024, 09:59:42 PM »
How many of these shed load of chances did we create from open play?
I would argue Cardiff created more clearer chances from open play
I’m not anti Corberan my only frustration is his insistence at doing like for like subs and not seemingly having a plan b
Where’s do you want to start , Furlongs header, Swift failing to get shot away , Mowatt doing gawd knows what, the keeper saving with his feet, Dianganas shot , Majas header , Racic ( I think it was ) missing his kick those are just off the top of my head and as Cardiff only had what 5 shots / attempts of which only two were clear cut as I remember , Robinsons header and the one near the end although that came from our cock up !
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« Reply #3699 on: October 26, 2024, 10:12:49 PM »
Where’s do you want to start , Furlongs header, Swift failing to get shot away , Mowatt doing gawd knows what, the keeper saving with his feet, Dianganas shot , Majas header , Racic ( I think it was ) missing his kick those are just off the top of my head and as Cardiff only had what 5 shots / attempts of which only two were clear cut as I remember , Robinsons header and the one near the end although that came from our cock up !
Well, it's just my opinion, but I think there is far too much accurate assessment and provision of actual real examples in your post, and far too little ranting without providing any evidence.