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« Reply #3475 on: October 19, 2024, 04:39:04 PM »
I just can’t wrap my head around this, I’m sorry bud! He’s not perfect but I really can’t see any better options than him and many worse.

I am frustrated at the lack of Cole on the bench and I also think the 4 or 5 changes are very rarely helping.


I respect everyone's opinion either way. I don't think he's worth 4m so if someone offered the clause, I personally would think it's a good deal

On the flip side I think he's worth more than 1m for example so I think that a bad deal.

Ultimately it's down to Patel if a bid comes in, he will have a decision to make.

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« Reply #3476 on: October 19, 2024, 04:40:08 PM »
I think he's too inflexible, and that is making the players a bit edgy at times.

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« Reply #3477 on: October 19, 2024, 04:42:15 PM »
I’m also traumatised by previous board’s appointments; Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, Pulis and so on that even though we have fantastic new owners I still worry about what comes next!

The sooner Corberan bombs out Wallace the better for him and I’ve never been a fan of Ajayi so hoping he’s soon dropped.
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« Reply #3478 on: October 19, 2024, 05:00:51 PM »
I’m also traumatised by previous board’s appointments; Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, Pulis and so on that even though we have fantastic new owners I still worry about what comes next!

The sooner Corberan bombs out Wallace the better for him and I’ve never been a fan of Ajayi so hoping he’s soon dropped.

He likes his little band, so don't hold your breath.

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« Reply #3479 on: October 19, 2024, 05:29:29 PM »
3 games,2 points
Roughly at what time in each match did we make substitutions and who were the personnel that were involved ?
It’s getting a bit like Groundhog Day
When we win it’s because of king Carlos ,when we lose it’s the players or the ref .
What exactly has molumby done wrong to not start today …Mowatt and Racic don’t have the legs nor the bite .
Why does Wallace have to get on the pitch ?
McNair,Holgate,styles,Diakite,Cole…they don’t get a sniff …

No club will currently offer the apparent 4m release clause for the manager which is a shame because we should rip there arm off if they did,he over complicates stuff (those after match interviews are really grating) the team plays better when he is forced in to decisions,and overall he is far to negative when you consider the players that we have …
If he’s as good as many seem to think then he needs to grow a set and make some decisions,namely dropping Wallace from the squad and having a bloody striker on the bench ….we are in a time where we have 9…yes 9 subs…and we don’t have a striker there…that’s some feat .
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« Reply #3480 on: October 19, 2024, 06:30:08 PM »
The manager eroding his good graces with the fans. His changes and tactics have been awful the last few games. To not have a striker amongst 9 subs is outrageous. Equivalent of not having a gk!

Cb pairing isn't working. And striking option after Maja goes off doesn't work. I know we could and should have been a few up at half time and game would be dead but we didn't then we sat off and tried to defend for 45 mins. It's all a little pulis at times
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« Reply #3481 on: October 19, 2024, 06:36:37 PM »
Something isn’t clicking and I think our league position masks our performances.

Only Portsmouth away, have we really beaten comfortably.

I don’t know what it is but something needs to change.

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« Reply #3482 on: October 19, 2024, 06:49:27 PM »
2 points from the last 12 isn’t great. Several players appear to be undroppable irrespective of results . Never rated our current 2 central defensive pairing when they’re together. Time for changes there for a start .

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« Reply #3483 on: October 19, 2024, 07:26:14 PM »
4m is nothing to PL clubs I suppose. Let's hope and pray

Cannot believe this comment. Unbelievable

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« Reply #3484 on: October 19, 2024, 07:31:28 PM »
Cannot believe this comment. Unbelievable


Why? Think of what the club could do with 4m.

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« Reply #3485 on: October 19, 2024, 07:32:50 PM »
Cannot believe this comment. Unbelievable
I don’t think it is
It’s an opposite view to some but there are some myself included that would take the money .
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« Reply #3486 on: October 19, 2024, 07:41:29 PM »
I'm not going as far as some knee jerk reactions on here wishing for his release clause to be activated but he has to freshen things up in midweek. Wallace shouldn't be playing striker under any circumstance, like others have said i don't get why Cole isn't featuring on the bench. I thought both the central defenders were poor today, Fellows was completely none existent all game and i'm still not convinced of the Mowatt/Racic pairing.

We have a good squad now and it's getting very predictable with our starting line up, i just hope he isn't stubborn and makes the necessary changes. I don't share the view of some on here although i respect every opinion, we could do a lot worse but i trust him to turn around this form.
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« Reply #3487 on: October 19, 2024, 08:19:14 PM »
For someone who is supposedly meticulous in fine detail in match preparation he can't see the glaringly obvious unbalanced squad.
Today's squad

2   keepers
5    defenders
12  wide men/ midfielders
1    striker.
Do we really need,  Fellows, Grant, Diangana, Wallace, Dobbin, Johnston, Styles who can all play as wide men.
The pitch is oblong not hexagon.

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« Reply #3488 on: October 19, 2024, 08:19:53 PM »
Carlos still relying on the old guard. He clearly didn't want some of the players we have signed and / or does not know what to do them. If he cannot integrate players as experienced as Mason Holgate and Callum Styles then he will fail to keep us in the promotion picture by the end of the season. Mcnair , Diakite, Frabotta, and Cole also continually overlooked. 
Surely someone will be taking him to task before much longer.
We have only taken two points from teams in the top half of the Championship table as it stands this evening
Time to take stock I believe.
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« Reply #3489 on: October 19, 2024, 09:14:01 PM »
I'm not going as far as some knee jerk reactions on here wishing for his release clause to be activated but he has to freshen things up in midweek. Wallace shouldn't be playing striker under any circumstance, like others have said i don't get why Cole isn't featuring on the bench. I thought both the central defenders were poor today, Fellows was completely none existent all game and i'm still not convinced of the Mowatt/Racic pairing.

We have a good squad now and it's getting very predictable with our starting line up, i just hope he isn't stubborn and makes the necessary changes. I don't share the view of some on here although i respect every opinion, we could do a lot worse but i trust him to turn around this form.
Knee jerk would indicate a very quick decision based on 1-2 games? And I’d add that the poster (and I’d suggest those that agree with him) was making the point that 4m would be very useful to the club ?, not just a get Carlos out point of view.

We have taken 2 points from the last 12 available
Prior to that we really struggled to beat Plymouth 1-0 at home , the same Plymouth that had Cardiff stuff 5 past them today .
How many times have we not had Cole on the bench?
How many times will he bring Wallace on at the 69th minute ?
How long did the club chase styles as a signing …..to not really play him, then when he looked very bright coming on against boro ….bombed out again?
Anyone can see he will do anything to keep/get Wallace,Diangana,Bartley on to the pitch regardless
His substitutions are almost written before the match, the only exception being Plymouth where he decided to make 2 in the 91st minute .
I get why people like him and back him, but in my opinion he over complicates and is generally negative ….and if he was as good as people say, why hasn’t he sorted it?
 
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« Reply #3490 on: October 19, 2024, 09:19:42 PM »
Knee jerk would indicate a very quick decision based on 1-2 games? And I’d add that the poster (and I’d suggest those that agree with him) was making the point that 4m would be very useful to the club ?, not just a get Carlos out point of view.

We have taken 2 points from the last 12 available
Prior to that we really struggled to beat Plymouth 1-0 at home , the same Plymouth that had Cardiff stuff 5 past them today .
How many times have we not had Cole on the bench?
How many times will he bring Wallace on at the 69th minute ?
How long did the club chase styles as a signing …..to not really play him, then when he looked very bright coming on against boro ….bombed out again?
Anyone can see he will do anything to keep/get Wallace,Diangana,Bartley on to the pitch regardless
His substitutions are almost written before the match, the only exception being Plymouth where he decided to make 2 in the 91st minute .
I get why people like him and back him, but in my opinion he over complicates and is generally negative ….and if he was as good as people say, why hasn’t he sorted it?


a lot has been gettting said about 2 points per game, but 6/7 teams are running at near that so it goes to show that that’s not reliable at the stage of the season.

When you break our performances down to now, it’s actually not been a very good start to the season in my opinion and our points to date have blinded views.

Games are going to get tougher. As it stands Id be surprised if we are as high as 5th after the next 10 games

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« Reply #3491 on: October 20, 2024, 11:31:29 AM »
Yeah let's go back to someone like Bruce. Nearly every team in the Championship would have Carlos over their current managers. What most of the challenging clubs in the division wouldn't swap is our budget. All but 3 signings were free transfers or loans. We were 16th out of 24 on the amount spent on transfers. https://www.transfermarkt.com/championship/transferausgabentabellenplatz/wettbewerb/GB2 Look at this table comparing expenditure to league position.

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« Reply #3492 on: October 20, 2024, 11:48:32 AM »
How have we gone from me saying I think 4m would be a good deal for CC to that must mean we re-employ Steve Bruce?? I'm his biggest hater.

We are still a selling club to some degree. Difference is now we don't need to sell anyone dirt cheap.

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« Reply #3493 on: October 20, 2024, 11:58:44 AM »
 Carlos has a lot going for him but
 a)He does not react if games evolve differently
 b)He doesn't pick squads to cover all eventualities
 c)He seems to only be able to develop youngsters via the loan system rather than blooding them (look at all the teenagers in the Premiership
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 d) His substitutions are predictable

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« Reply #3494 on: October 20, 2024, 11:59:49 AM »
Yesterday was that overly cautious and conservative that it was ridiculous.

I know that is the Carlos approach and against better opposition I can understand it to some degree. However, yesterday was against Oxford and our approach of containment with a 1-0 win is poor in my view.

Oxford were there for the taking - the likes of Sunderland, Leeds, Sheff Utd and Burnley do not contain that 1-0. They go and put the game to bed.

The difference between yesterday and Portsmouth was massive in my view.
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« Reply #3495 on: October 20, 2024, 12:29:12 PM »
How have we gone from me saying I think 4m would be a good deal for CC to that must mean we re-employ Steve Bruce?? I'm his biggest hater.

We are still a selling club to some degree. Difference is now we don't need to sell anyone dirt cheap.
Because £4m is nothing in football circles. Blues paid £15m for a striker in league 1. Corboran is worth way way more than £4m to to us. Who would we get to replace him. Potter - No chance. Wolves manager after they sack him? Doubt it.

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« Reply #3496 on: October 20, 2024, 12:40:27 PM »
We still created chances in the second half yesterday we just weren't as intense as we'd been in the first 45 but the way some are talking you'd think we sat back for the full 50 minutes.
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« Reply #3497 on: October 20, 2024, 01:09:25 PM »
Because £4m is nothing in football circles. Blues paid £15m for a striker in league 1. Corboran is worth way way more than £4m to to us. Who would we get to replace him. Potter - No chance. Wolves manager after they sack him? Doubt it.

I mean there are plenty of managers between the abilities  of Bruce and Potter.

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« Reply #3498 on: October 20, 2024, 01:45:27 PM »
I mean there are plenty of managers between the abilities  of Bruce and Potter.
Yes and Corboran is one of the best of them. Who out of the plenty are you suggesting are available or would  want come to us and are better than Corboran?

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« Reply #3499 on: October 20, 2024, 01:56:03 PM »
I cannot see why  after a couple of poor games we are suggesting dumping the Head Coach.
Who do we think we are, the Tory Party?
We can judge and criticise, fair enough, but actually proposing replacing him at this stage of the season is sheer madness.
He has over achieved compared to where most of us thought we would be this season and we are a couple of points off automatic promotion.
If failure this year is pitched at not achieving promotion then the only person who could have gotten us that given our financial restrictions is Harry Houdini, and we would have to dig him up first.
Yes we had a cracking start and raised hopes with a league position none of us expected.
Now that momentum has gone and we are settling in to a playoff position where most of us thought was the very best we could have hoped for pre- season.
If we maintain that and stay in the final play-off positions  , for me that is success, regardless of the outcome.
If we had levels of unrestricted finances like some other clubs and were not under EFL restrictions, then promotion would be the yardstick. But we have to be realistic. Our project due to previous disgraceful ownership and near oblivion has to be a longer term one and for me the current owners and coaches seem to see that clearly and have the right stuff to carry it out. Short termism had almost destroyed us.
 We are where we are and for me CC  and his team are the best we could hope for given those circumstances.
If things went  south and we went  into free-fall then of course we would have to reconsider, but we are nowhere near that and hopefully  will never be in that position.