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« Reply #4100 on: December 04, 2024, 10:44:59 AM »
We where whiskers away from administration, points deduction, relegation or even worse.
The only good thing to come out of that catastrophic time was Carlos Corberan, the best signing we have made in years.
Since then we have been lucky enough to attract a solid, strategically sound Ownership that is willing to put their money where their mouth is and support us through difficult restrictive times.
We have avoided catastrophe and are in a sound place. Could we be better, maybe, could we be worse, oh yes.

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« Reply #4101 on: December 04, 2024, 11:12:15 AM »
Just reading the posts from yesterday and today, and there is a whole lot of sense being spoken. There is no chance of CC being sacked this season I agree. Does he get everything right, no, but then which of us does? And yes, he took over when we were at crisis point and has done a brilliant job in the circumstances. And yes again, he is the best manager/coach we have had in a long time, and it's very refreshing to see so many people understanding where we are at as a club, in transition from a very dark place, and being willing to be patient while we get back on an even keel.

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« Reply #4102 on: December 04, 2024, 12:01:35 PM »
I think there is a middle ground on both.

Asking supporters what they expect?

Most supporters will have expected more than four goals at home this season (two of those in one game btw) and a bit more than bore draws against the likes of Plymouth, Cardiff, Millwall.

The financial parameters are no excuses for our performances at home and are reflective of their coaching (or over coaching) as some may call it. Our record for goals scored at home this season is the lowest in the football league.

I do also want to see the manager making the most of Maja and Fellows who between them have 10 goals and 8 assists. They are by far our most productive assets and I'm not sure management of them both is where I would expect it to be. The constant withdrawal after 65 minutes and as we seen on Saturday, Fellows being shunted to left wing back is affecting us going forwards.

Do I think he has done a great job given the on-going turmoil at the club? Yes, I do. He has worked wonders.

Do I want him sacked? No, I don't.

Do I think he is at times too conservative which hamstrings us? Yes, I think he is.

Our very conservative nature is a reflection of the head coach moreso than the pressures we're facing in the boardroom.
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« Reply #4103 on: December 04, 2024, 01:13:16 PM »
Pretty solid and sound assessment.

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« Reply #4104 on: December 04, 2024, 01:24:07 PM »
I think there is a middle ground on both.

Asking supporters what they expect?

Most supporters will have expected more than four goals at home this season (two of those in one game btw) and a bit more than bore draws against the likes of Plymouth, Cardiff, Millwall.

The financial parameters are no excuses for our performances at home and are reflective of their coaching (or over coaching) as some may call it. Our record for goals scored at home this season is the lowest in the football league.

I do also want to see the manager making the most of Maja and Fellows who between them have 10 goals and 8 assists. They are by far our most productive assets and I'm not sure management of them both is where I would expect it to be. The constant withdrawal after 65 minutes and as we seen on Saturday, Fellows being shunted to left wing back is affecting us going forwards.

Do I think he has done a great job given the on-going turmoil at the club? Yes, I do. He has worked wonders.

Do I want him sacked? No, I don't.

Do I think he is at times too conservative which hamstrings us? Yes, I think he is.

Our very conservative nature is a reflection of the head coach moreso than the pressures we're facing in the boardroom.

Good job we beat them then!

Totally agree with the rest of your post though!
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« Reply #4105 on: December 04, 2024, 03:31:06 PM »
I think there is a middle ground on both.

Asking supporters what they expect?

Most supporters will have expected more than four goals at home this season (two of those in one game btw) and a bit more than bore draws against the likes of Plymouth, Cardiff, Millwall.

The financial parameters are no excuses for our performances at home and are reflective of their coaching (or over coaching) as some may call it. Our record for goals scored at home this season is the lowest in the football league.

I do also want to see the manager making the most of Maja and Fellows who between them have 10 goals and 8 assists. They are by far our most productive assets and I'm not sure management of them both is where I would expect it to be. The constant withdrawal after 65 minutes and as we seen on Saturday, Fellows being shunted to left wing back is affecting us going forwards.

Do I think he has done a great job given the on-going turmoil at the club? Yes, I do. He has worked wonders.

Do I want him sacked? No, I don't.

Do I think he is at times too conservative which hamstrings us? Yes, I think he is.

Our very conservative nature is a reflection of the head coach moreso than the pressures we're facing in the boardroom.
Agree with most of what you say, but the bit I've highlighted isn't accurate. Neither of them have been withdrawn this early in the last 3 matches, so I'm thinking that CC probably agrees with you. I understand though why he makes the changes, even if I don't necessarily agree. Fellows often looks knackered with about 20 minutes left (he does put in a good shift), so it seems reasonable to sub him off in these circumstances. Maja is really our only fit striker, so I also understand why he is a bit protective of him on occasions.

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« Reply #4106 on: December 04, 2024, 04:00:18 PM »
Agree with most of what you say, but the bit I've highlighted isn't accurate. Neither of them have been withdrawn this early in the last 3 matches, so I'm thinking that CC probably agrees with you. I understand though why he makes the changes, even if I don't necessarily agree. Fellows often looks knackered with about 20 minutes left (he does put in a good shift), so it seems reasonable to sub him off in these circumstances. Maja is really our only fit striker, so I also understand why he is a bit protective of him on occasions.

Agreed, and Maja looked absolutely done in when substituted in the last home game against Norwich.

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« Reply #4107 on: December 06, 2024, 02:00:53 PM »
There is a little bit of noise that the Dingles have Corberan on their potential list of replacements for the Might Gary O’Neil…
If they officially approached that would be very interesting .
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« Reply #4108 on: December 06, 2024, 02:34:27 PM »
There is a little bit of noise that the Dingles have Corberan on their potential list of replacements for the Might Gary O’Neil…
If they officially approached that would be very interesting .

I watched the first half of their game against Everton and i'll say it quietly, he would probably be a good fit for them. Going forward they clearly have no issues, Cunha could play for any team in that league in my opinion and he would certainly make them harder to beat. One thing i would say is my two best mates are Wolves fans and have been unhappy with the increase in tickets this season, would their fans be willing to pay that high of amount to watch the style of football that he would play?

I have asked and this journalist apparently got a few Wolves things correct before, i'm hoping that this time he has got it wrong.
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« Reply #4109 on: December 06, 2024, 03:03:47 PM »
There is a little bit of noise that the Dingles have Corberan on their potential list of replacements for the Might Gary O’Neil…
If they officially approached that would be very interesting .
The fact CC played a strong team vs them in the cup tells me he know's the history between the clubs no doubt in my mind he'll turn them down if approached.

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« Reply #4110 on: December 06, 2024, 03:05:47 PM »
The fact CC played a strong team vs them in the cup tells me he know's the history between the clubs no doubt in my mind he'll turn them down if approached.

He's also not an idiot, and will feel the fans here turning on him, so if he feels his days are numbered because a number of fans have turned on a manager who has taken us from the bottom of the table to consistently challenging the play offs, he might welcome an approach from elsewhere.

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« Reply #4111 on: December 06, 2024, 03:11:30 PM »
He's also not an idiot, and will feel the fans here turning on him, so if he feels his days are numbered because a number of fans have turned on a manager who has taken us from the bottom of the table to consistently challenging the play offs, he might welcome an approach from elsewhere.
A fair point. Jump before you get pushed and land a Premier League job in the bargain. There’s no loyalty either way in football fans think you’re a hero one month and want you out the next so you can’t blame coaches and players leaving should an attractive offer be made.

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« Reply #4112 on: December 06, 2024, 03:22:58 PM »
The fact CC played a strong team vs them in the cup tells me he know's the history between the clubs no doubt in my mind he'll turn them down if approached.

I’d say that’s very naive. That won’t be a factor at all.  There’s only one language that counts in football - money.  He might never get a chance to manage in the Premier League.

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« Reply #4113 on: December 06, 2024, 03:30:53 PM »
I think he will go if they pay the money. No issue with that from me.

They have to pay up or shut up if interested

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« Reply #4114 on: December 06, 2024, 03:59:45 PM »
He's also not an idiot, and will feel the fans here turning on him, so if he feels his days are numbered because a number of fans have turned on a manager who has taken us from the bottom of the table to consistently challenging the play offs, he might welcome an approach from elsewhere.
I don't think that they are though, nowhere near a majority anyway. You'll always get some fans at every club calling for the manager to be sacked if they aren't happy with something or other, but I think most of the sensible fans at our club understand that we are in a transition period and that CC is doing very well overall all things considered.

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« Reply #4115 on: December 06, 2024, 04:00:50 PM »
There is a little bit of noise that the Dingles have Corberan on their potential list of replacements for the Might Gary O’Neil…
If they officially approached that would be very interesting .
I think we have to accept that his name is going to get linked any time there is unrest at clubs hovering around the relegation zone in the Prem. To me that underlines again what an outstanding job he is doing here. Can't think of many of our previous managers you could say the same for.
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« Reply #4116 on: December 06, 2024, 04:04:59 PM »
As much as I don't it to happen, he could be two bad results from the sack in my opinion.

If he feels this himself then I think he would go. Anyone who believes players/managers love the club live in cloud cuckoo land.

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« Reply #4117 on: December 06, 2024, 04:11:30 PM »
I think we have to accept that his name is going to get linked any time there is unrest at clubs hovering around the relegation zone in the Prem. To me that underlines again what an outstanding job he is doing here. Can't think of many of our previous managers you could say the same for.
This is true. I don't think any of our managers have been poached by a bigger club since Tony Mowbray in the summer of 2009 (not counting Roy being offered the England job). Off the top of my head, I can't think of another one later than Ron Atkinson in 1981.

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« Reply #4118 on: December 06, 2024, 04:16:14 PM »
This is true. I don't think any of our managers have been poached by a bigger club since Tony Mowbray in the summer of 2009 (not counting Roy being offered the England job). Off the top of my head, I can't think of another one later than Ron Atkinson in 1981.
Ossie Ardiles after our play-off winning season at Wembley in 1993. He left to manage his beloved Spurs.
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« Reply #4119 on: December 06, 2024, 04:25:31 PM »
Ossie Ardiles after our play-off winning season at Wembley in 1993. He left to manage his beloved Spurs.
Oh yes, you're right, I forgot about Ossie. Nevertheless, 3 times in the last more than 50 years does indicate that it's relatively rare. My personal opinion is that it would take more than the Wolves job to tempt CC away.

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« Reply #4120 on: December 06, 2024, 04:37:47 PM »
I’d say that’s very naive. That won’t be a factor at all.  There’s only one language that counts in football - money.  He might never get a chance to manage in the Premier League.

I mean if it was at the beginning of the season sure fair enough but a team with PSR restrictions in a relegation dog fight mid season, does that really sound tempting? I know he joined us under similar circumstances but the key difference he was out of a job at that point

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« Reply #4121 on: December 06, 2024, 05:04:11 PM »
Ossie Ardiles after our play-off winning season at Wembley in 1993. He left to manage his beloved Spurs.
I think that was a special case though, as Ardilles was a cult hero there as a player.
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« Reply #4122 on: December 06, 2024, 05:12:11 PM »
A couple of things...we have 3 or 4 tough games coming up with a potentially bad defeat at the hands of Sheff Utd on Sunday, and then we could be struggling against Coventry, Watford & Bristol. The numbers of fans becoming more fed up with CC's cautious approach would then increase....(and I am one).

Secondly, money talks, it always does ultimately. Could be interesting!

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« Reply #4123 on: December 06, 2024, 05:34:15 PM »
I’d say that’s very naive. That won’t be a factor at all.  There’s only one language that counts in football - money.  He might never get a chance to manage in the Premier League.
On the other hand, a job in the Premier League may be very short term. A lot of chairmen there are prone to be trigger happy. If he got fired as a Prem League manager, where would he go from there? If he has a good relationship with the owner here, it may make more sense to build gradually on the basis of mutual trust. 
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« Reply #4124 on: December 06, 2024, 05:38:28 PM »
I think that was a special case though, as Ardilles was a cult hero there as a player.
You could argue Mowbray to Celtic was a similar case. Only Leeds would have any real connection to CC.