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Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« Reply #2225 on: October 20, 2024, 07:19:59 AM »
Beginning of the season, we attacked and their defencies were worried. Now when we score .....we defend and I am worried.  Have to complete the pressure once we score rather than go back to last seasons performance.

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« Reply #2226 on: October 20, 2024, 10:45:41 AM »
Teams know about fellows and Johnstone now and their preferred moves so it’s up to both to improve
They also need to realise when they are being doubled up on to move the ball quicker to the spare man
Diangana as a 10 needs to improve also too often takes the wrong option
I have been impressed with maja regardless of his goals
Grant looks like a different player and Johnstone needs to bide his time
It’s the middle of the park and defence we have issues
Mowatt makes us tick but who plays next to him to give us balance?
Ajayi and Bartley at centre half has never worked, do we move Heggem or give Holgate a run
Palmer I’ve never rated, too similar to Johnstone doesn’t command his box and his distribution is awful
Happy when I look at the start overall but concerned with our current form and more the reluctance of CC to change formation and continually bringing on the same players who have looked poor and ignoring Styles and diakite
Take yesterday if he wanted to shut up shop then why not bring on molumby,diakite and McNair more defensive players rather than continually changing the front four

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« Reply #2227 on: October 20, 2024, 11:38:57 AM »
Imo our issues stem from midfield with our inability to control that area, my thoughts are that we probably need three men in there. Mowatt in the middle of a three with Styles on the left and Molumby on right. Hoped that Carlos would have given more game time to new arrivals in Summer but hey this is where we are. He won’t make whole changes until it becomes so obvious take Fellow’s last season and Wallace, blind man and his dog new Tom was superior player but it took CC a while to get there.

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« Reply #2228 on: October 20, 2024, 11:46:33 AM »
 I do not like time wasting but teams do particularly goalkeepers.They just fall on the ball or take a stroll round the penalty area
 holding the ball.Yesterday near the end of the game with us leading one nil the ball just entered our penalty area and Palmer picked it up and instantly rolled it out rather than using up time as mentioned.Sad but unprofessional.

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« Reply #2229 on: October 23, 2024, 10:13:17 PM »
I think our main issue currently is creativity; Maja drops deep to link the play and our wide players both stay quite wide. I'd like to see one of the wide players get closer to and go beyond Maja and threaten in behind, this would require a full back really bombing on to give us that width.

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« Reply #2230 on: October 23, 2024, 10:44:40 PM »
Need at least 2 in the front middle as attackers/strikers. MJ and Fellows need to work on their game as of old.

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« Reply #2231 on: October 24, 2024, 08:37:28 PM »
The rebuild continues if we can get shot of some of the likes of grady, swift, ajayi and Wallace in January for a fee that would be continued progress.

Our recruitment has been abhorrent for 7 or 8 years If not longer  sometimes we forget how bad it was and has been and underestimate how quickly we can fix it. We are crying out for a good number 10 to compliment Maja Fellows and MJ
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« Reply #2232 on: October 25, 2024, 05:46:32 PM »
I think our main issue currently is creativity; Maja drops deep to link the play and our wide players both stay quite wide. I'd like to see one of the wide players get closer to and go beyond Maja and threaten in behind, this would require a full back really bombing on to give us that width.
Agreed we do need to see players making runs in behind. Fellows was making some good runs inside in the early games but less so of late. He's clearly right footed and noticeably weaker with his left which reduces his threat when he comes inside with shooting possibilities. Hope he's putting a lot of training work in to improving his shooting with his left. If Diangana's playing 10 he should be making more runs also so that Maja has some targets for his link up play.
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« Reply #2233 on: October 25, 2024, 08:09:33 PM »
Bit unfair on Fellows I think, he uses his weaker foot far more than Diangana and Mowatt.  He's just being doubled up on more now - this should open up spaces - but doesn't seem to.
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« Reply #2234 on: October 25, 2024, 09:39:51 PM »
Bit unfair on Fellows I think, he uses his weaker foot far more than Diangana and Mowatt.  He's just being doubled up on more now - this should open up spaces - but doesn't seem to.
It wasn't really a criticism, just that he could do with more of a dig in his left foot and it's something he's still young enough to improve on. He could also do with other players being available when he does cut back in.
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« Reply #2235 on: October 25, 2024, 10:38:36 PM »
It wasn't really a criticism, just that he could do with more of a dig in his left foot and it's something he's still young enough to improve on. He could also do with other players being available when he does cut back in.

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« Reply #2236 on: October 26, 2024, 06:50:13 PM »
Bartley out for 4-6 weeks.  McNair and Ajayi not known yet - Lewis Cox


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« Reply #2237 on: October 26, 2024, 07:19:13 PM »
Optimistically we are having our Leicester blip now if we are going to Win the league at the Start of the season I would have said us, Leeds and Burnley now Sunderland, Boro could overtake us.
Realistically as I'm starting to conceed remembering a phrase I've heard here and From my Dad if it wouldn't be Albion if if was easy. Teams have figured out a way to play against us. McNair shouldn't be a concern as he goes back to soon, Holgate to me needs to show some of that form he did with us before or show the form he has done. Holgate to me on his day is the beat Centre Back we had. At the minute we are missing Kipre who did we lose him to again
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« Reply #2238 on: October 27, 2024, 02:33:03 PM »
Bartley out for 4-6 weeks.  McNair and Ajayi not known yet - Lewis Cox

Looking a bit thread bare if we lose McNair and Ajayi - both injuries didn’t seem like knocks and suggest an extended period on the sidelines.
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« Reply #2239 on: October 27, 2024, 03:27:10 PM »
Looking a bit thread bare if we lose McNair and Ajayi - both injuries didn’t seem like knocks and suggest an extended period on the sidelines.

We may now see changes from CC, sadly brought about by injury. That's McNair done here realistically?

Think he goes back in December. We never used him anywhere as near as much as we could/should have.

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« Reply #2240 on: October 27, 2024, 11:52:07 PM »

Think he goes back in December. We never used him anywhere as near as much as we could/should have.

Where should we have used him?
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« Reply #2241 on: October 28, 2024, 06:27:13 AM »
Where should we have used him?

On the pitch would have been a help

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« Reply #2242 on: October 28, 2024, 08:19:08 AM »
Where should we have used him?
In his position,which is what you would assume he was brought in for .
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« Reply #2243 on: October 28, 2024, 08:44:34 AM »
And yet neither one of you have answered the question…
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« Reply #2244 on: October 28, 2024, 08:50:28 AM »
And yet neither one of you have answered the question…



CB, Furlong has generally played well enough to keep RB.  Bartley and Ajayi patchy at best.


Where do you think i was gong to suggest out of curiosity?

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« Reply #2245 on: October 28, 2024, 10:16:29 AM »


CB, Furlong has generally played well enough to keep RB.  Bartley and Ajayi patchy at best.


Where do you think i was gong to suggest out of curiosity?

Well he has spent the majority of his career playing either at centre half or in midfield and seems to have become a jack of all trades.

Given the performances of Heggem and Furlong it is clear they would not be dropped. We've only conceded 7 goals all season and three of them occured in one game. 4 goals conceded in 11 games suggest we're defensively sound.

Given our problem is scoring goals I was interested to hear how you think playing McNair would have helped overcome that issue.

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« Reply #2246 on: October 28, 2024, 10:20:45 AM »
Well he has spent the majority of his career playing either at centre half or in midfield and seems to have become a jack of all trades.

Given the performances of Heggem and Furlong it is clear they would not be dropped. We've only conceded 7 goals all season and three of them occured in one game. 4 goals conceded in 11 games suggest we're defensively sound.

Given our problem is scoring goals I was interested to hear how you think playing McNair would have helped overcome that issue.



Would agree our current main issue is the lack of goals but that doesn't mean the defence is great either or it cannot be improved upon. I do like McNair at CB, he's very dependable at this level for me.

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« Reply #2247 on: October 28, 2024, 11:24:32 AM »
Assuming that Holgate and Heggam are playing at centre half on Friday, we will have the luxury of two players who can actually pass the ball , and not need the overworked Mowatt to keep playing fetch. Not quite sure how those two will fare against an aerial bombardment, but if Corberan employs them and gives them time to settle a major problem will be sorted I feel.
I sincerely hope that will be the case.
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« Reply #2248 on: October 28, 2024, 02:31:56 PM »
Well he has spent the majority of his career playing either at centre half or in midfield and seems to have become a jack of all trades.

Given the performances of Heggem and Furlong it is clear they would not be dropped. We've only conceded 7 goals all season and three of them occured in one game. 4 goals conceded in 11 games suggest we're defensively sound.

Given our problem is scoring goals I was interested to hear how you think playing McNair would have helped overcome that issue.

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« Reply #2249 on: October 28, 2024, 03:00:07 PM »
I believe the main focus of our recruitment was squad back up plus Johnston.

 With our defence performing as well as it does the need to rotate was probably deemed unnecessary.

Now the need is there, through injury,  the new guys will get the game time and fill the purpose they were brought in for in the first place.