Author Topic: Alan Irvine (Read 1848246 times)

kc56wba · « **Reply #1775 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:03:08 PM »

I knew it, the first defeat and it starts, and BTW I did not want him as manager/coach, but FFS give him a chance.

WBASPE77 · « **Reply #1776 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:05:55 PM »

I'm with you Kc56 was appalled when I first heard the news, but I really feel we have made some excellent signings this summer and once they get game time and we get them playing together results will come for us.

wbastrollers · « **Reply #1777 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:06:36 PM »

Quote from: Legend on August 30, 2014, 04:56:01 PM

He's not going anywhere. We've seen this sort of performance from Albion at Swansea many times, under Hodgson, under Clarke, Under Mel we should have been out of sight at half time too. Whenever we go to Swansea we seem to really struggle against them.

That's alright then!! I am afraid 'fiddling while Rome burns comes to mind'.

boing_boing68 · « **Reply #1778 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:07:57 PM »

Really want him to do well but he isn't going to is he, get rid of him and take downing with him because whilst he is there we won't go anywhere anyway.

The Black Pearl · « **Reply #1779 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:08:10 PM »

Quote from: kc56wba on August 30, 2014, 05:03:08 PM

I knew it, the first defeat and it starts, and BTW I did not want him as manager/coach, but FFS give him a chance.

Its not the defeat, its the manner of the defeat, setting us up soooo negatively is just asking for trouble, I can take losing, but we did not have a chance in that game because of the way we were set up, only one man picks the team, he carries the can!

By the way, when did we last win a game including pre season.

swad35 · « **Reply #1780 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:08:33 PM »

Quote from: Albertbaggie on August 30, 2014, 04:58:56 PM

Embarrassing thread. Our fans really have become the worst in the country. Other supporters mock us now for our meltdowns over everything.
Seriously how can you judge a manager on 3 games? And when the new signings have yet to feature?
Joke fans

Mate I agree with the sentiment but joke fans is harsh. After the dross of last year on and off field there's obvious panic setting in that the club has appointed the wrong coach. I want to give him longer, I think we have had a great transfer window and some good players to come in. I will seriously want him out if and when those new signings play and we are still that awful.

WBArgo · « **Reply #1781 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:08:45 PM »

I will give him a bit longer but my patience is wearing thin. Last season there were supposedly various 'culprits' for our demise, such as the players and Peace. I think this season the players are in unison and the chairman has acted accordingly.

So really, that leaves the blame on Irvine. Today, as an individual performance was dreadful. Hopefully it's a one-off and he sorts it out, but it definitely doesn't bode well.

kris_boing · « **Reply #1782 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:09:34 PM »

Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 30, 2014, 05:00:59 PM

We've got 2 points from:

Swansea -Away
Southampton - Away
Sunderland - Home

It's not brill, but it's not that bad and we've had 11 new players come in, many of whom for various reasons aren't up to fitness yet.

Those who seriously want him out should be ashamed. If we'd have had 10 games then maybe, but it's 3 and the new players aren't in yet.....

Modern football is totally fecked and many fans are spoilt brats. Disgusting!

We got 6 points from memory from the corresponding fixtures last season. We'll see where we are after 10 games. What we needed was an experienced manager to come in and sort this out from scratch. Instead we got an inexperienced number 1 who has failed in League 1. Not blaming Irvine because he is out of his depth.

BB74 · « **Reply #1783 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:11:27 PM »

Irvine out for me believe it or not!

ronny boy · « **Reply #1784 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:12:04 PM »

I can still remember that feeling when we found out Irvine had been appointed, utter despair. Nothing over the summer has made me change my mind about this appointment, but I will say that we have to give him 10 games (inc cup games) to gauge how this will pan out. I feel though, like many others, that we already know the answer to that.

smosher34 · « **Reply #1785 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:12:35 PM »

Quote from: east-stand-nick on August 30, 2014, 04:59:51 PM

A fair bit richer, that's where!

not all about money thow is it ?

Brummie Road · « **Reply #1786 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:13:23 PM »

Quote from: WBASPE77 on August 30, 2014, 05:05:55 PM

I'm with you Kc56 was appalled when I first heard the news, but I really feel we have made some excellent signings this summer and once they get game time and we get them playing together results will come for us.

Yeah, I feel the same way.

Like everyone else I was underwhelmed with the appointment BUT Irvine is our Head Coach and he's been in the job "5 mins".

He's had 4 matches, we've lost 1 of those, we've had a massive turnover in players, plus injuries to a couple of key new additions.

So we're still in August and we are demanding he be sacked?

A truly pathetic cringeworthy thread. Desperate really.

What have we become?

VVVAlbion · « **Reply #1787 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:14:55 PM »

Quote from: The Black Pearl on August 30, 2014, 05:08:10 PM

Its not the defeat, its the manner of the defeat, setting us up soooo negatively is just asking for trouble, I can take losing, but we did not have a chance in that game because of the way we were set up, only one man picks the team, he carries the can!

By the way, when did we last win a game including pre season.

Interesting view on negatively. The players picked would not be first choice for me and that could be down to Irvine's choice or availability but we will probably never know. Dorrans, Brunt, Dawson, Berahino were not good enough today but their time may be limited anyway.

KnaveofAlbion · « **Reply #1788 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:16:13 PM »

Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 26, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
One thing to note is, please don't get on their backs if the next 2 or 3 games don't go great. This team won't hit it's stride for a couple of months maybe, but by October or so we should be laughing!

What I wrote on the start XI thread. Of which btw, I very much doubt this XI will look much like the average starting one come October/November.

At the very least Varela, Lescott and Gamboa will be regular starting, if not Blanco & Samaras. That half the team not yet up and running. Swansea away we've lost 4 out of 5 times I think. The other two results were ok. Who cares what he did 8 years ago, my work is certainly different now to 8 years ago. It's a totally different situation for him, give the bloke a bloody chance!

botters · « **Reply #1789 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:17:36 PM »

Quote from: Dan on August 30, 2014, 04:52:48 PM

Who exactly do people expect would come in?

We went for Irvine because we had barely any options in the first place. Yet alone starting the season with a squad not their own playing catch up to the rest of the league. The club's entire set up instantly rules out 90% of managers. You'll get people calling for Pulis no doubt, but that would never happen, he's an old school manager who would never work with the lack of control here.

The only people available for the job the way we work is either people new to management like Clarke was, or older coaches who've failed before and would take any job like Irvine. You're not going to get quality experienced track record coaches coming here. Of course your other option is foreign managers but that seems like it'll never happen again under Peace after Mel. For whatever reason the club has decided its style is the one Hodgson had here, we'll just be after coaching managers like Irvine but not Irvine.

We had the chance of Tim Sherwood but he had to work with Pinky and Perky, those two are holding the club back we needed a new head coach with new back room staff who could motivate this bunch of players, because our current coaching staff can clearly not motivate them.

ex coseley kid · « **Reply #1790 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:20:02 PM »

The man is devoid of a single creative idea. Why wait for the full squad the problem is t the players!

rubyruby · « **Reply #1791 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:23:47 PM »

Quote from: Dan on August 30, 2014, 04:44:11 PM

He's clearly not going to get sacked any time soon so there's no point making calls now. The only defence you can make for him is he has been hit hard with injuries, particularly defensively Dawson should be 4th choice but has started every game, and Pocognoli's out too. I suspect given Olsson's performance he'll probably drop behind McAuley too so in effect we might be fielding a back 4 that is entirely next match.

I do fear for him with the games coming up however, he could very feasibly get 0 points from the next 5. Palace and Sunderland showed disastrous starts don't mean relegation but that'll be the time serious questions get asked by the board.

The thing will make or break him is overcoming his innate conservativeness. We shouldn't be making such large concessions to teams like Swansea, we should be going to them as equals. To get away with playing defensive reactionary football you need to have an excellent defence, something we don't have. We've never looked comfortable absorbing pressure (like teams do when defending against us) so its a strange game plan to build the side around.

Excellent post Dan. Only the first sentence I'm not sure about. If Irvine doesn't get results quickly with this outlay I'm not sure JP is going to prevaricate.

telford baggie · « **Reply #1792 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:25:38 PM »

Quote from: mini gaardsoe on August 30, 2014, 05:01:24 PM

How do you work that out?

The guy has failed everywhere he has been and people can't see it changing here. Based on month 1, it looks like another hard, long season.

He won't be here in January, guaranteed.

january will be to late

seteefeet · « **Reply #1793 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:30:16 PM »

Quote from: KnaveofAlbion on August 30, 2014, 05:00:59 PM

We've got 2 points from:

Swansea -Away
Southampton - Away
Sunderland - Home

It's not brill, but it's not that bad and we've had 11 new players come in, many of whom for various reasons aren't up to fitness yet.

Those who seriously want him out should be ashamed. If we'd have had 10 games then maybe, but it's 3 and the new players aren't in yet.....

Modern football is totally fecked and many fans are spoilt brats. Disgusting!

I wouldn't have supported this club for 40 years if results bothered me.
Irvine came with a poor cv, stating a record of failing whilst playing negative, narrow, dull football. I have seen no evidence that his approach has or can change and that is why he should go.
If we had the same, or worse results, but signs of improvement and positivity, I would defend him to the hilt.
Flogging a dead horse.

rubyruby · « **Reply #1794 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:32:07 PM »

Quote from: Brummie Road on August 30, 2014, 05:13:23 PM

Yeah, I feel the same way.

Like everyone else I was underwhelmed with the appointment BUT Irvine is our Head Coach and he's been in the job "5 mins".

He's had 4 matches, we've lost 1 of those, we've had a massive turnover in players, plus injuries to a couple of key new additions.

So we're still in August and we are demanding he be sacked?

A truly pathetic cringeworthy thread. Desperate really.

What have we become?

Understand what your saying but is Alan Irvine really the best CV we can attract. If it is then.........why?

koren · « **Reply #1795 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:32:31 PM »

We are declining continuously since Hodgson left....
A experienced premier league manager is needed.

Legend · « **Reply #1796 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:32:36 PM »

Quote from: mini gaardsoe on August 30, 2014, 05:01:24 PM

How do you work that out?

The guy has failed everywhere he has been and people can't see it changing here. Based on month 1, it looks like another hard, long season.

He won't be here in January, guaranteed.

He didn't fail at Preston. He didn't fail working at Everton. We finished 17th last season and have changed a lot of the squad. It's going to take time and patience. Irvine has no magic wand to make the team who finished 17th last season a great team.

tylerm · « **Reply #1797 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:33:22 PM »

I am sorry but nothing I have seen so far suggests that he has a clue
Why are all our players that played in the World Cup not fit enough but Morisson who didn't play a pre season game because of an operation get on as a sub
I also think that Downing needs to go aswell
I didn't fancy many of those linked with us in the summer but they were better than Alan Irvine

kc56wba · « **Reply #1798 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:35:01 PM »

Yes let's get rid of Irvine and bring in a new bloke and if he only gets 2 draws and one defeat in his first 3 league games then get rid of him as well, shall we?

Gilsey 56 · « **Reply #1799 on:** August 30, 2014, 05:35:51 PM »

Totally agree mate, the results are not the worry its the lack of method on the pitch and the stale performances from players who have no idea what they are trying to do,
wish i could see some positives from today.
i won't call for his head yet but with Everton and Spurs to come i fear for him.