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« on: August 11, 2021, 10:19:20 PM »
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Friendly today.
« on: March 19, 2021, 05:36:39 PM »
We appear to have played a friendly today against Huddersfield.
What seemed like a relatively strong/experienced team ran out 3-1 winners with goals from Diangana, Peltier and Grant.
What seemed like a relatively strong/experienced team ran out 3-1 winners with goals from Diangana, Peltier and Grant.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / What have we learned?
« on: June 20, 2020, 05:24:23 PM »
I've watched the 2 games today. There was absolutely no intensity to either game. The PL has been the same.
These last 8 games look like they're going to be played at nearly walking pace. That brings Brunt and Barry back into the equation. Their knowhow and nouse has to be employed in this crucial period. For neither to be on the bench was a poor oversight.
Today we had 12 corners and several freekicks, the delivery was awful. We have to take advantage of these crucial game situations. This surely brings Brunt back into the equation even more.
We can get through this period of games without the soldiers. Without the battering ram. Put out the 11 most technical players. Headless chickens like Edwards and Zohore simply not required. Where was Grosicki?
Be interested to hear what others thought of the new Championship normal.
These last 8 games look like they're going to be played at nearly walking pace. That brings Brunt and Barry back into the equation. Their knowhow and nouse has to be employed in this crucial period. For neither to be on the bench was a poor oversight.
Today we had 12 corners and several freekicks, the delivery was awful. We have to take advantage of these crucial game situations. This surely brings Brunt back into the equation even more.
We can get through this period of games without the soldiers. Without the battering ram. Put out the 11 most technical players. Headless chickens like Edwards and Zohore simply not required. Where was Grosicki?
Be interested to hear what others thought of the new Championship normal.
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Announcements, Feedback & Questions / Technical Server work needed for my account
« on: May 17, 2020, 05:45:08 PM »
Hi guys, don't know if any of the admin or mods are technical with the server side of the site, but my account (be it the IP or some other marker) is not set up correctly on the server, I'm unable to copy and paste into posts, unable to post images or use emojis, and unable to edit text into eg. italics now apparently. It's a pain after writing a long post for it to disappear when refreshing the page after getting yet another 403 forbidden page from the server management software.
It's ruining the forum for me so I would appreciate if someone could look into it on my behalf. Thanks. If any members can advise the lads also that would be great.
It's ruining the forum for me so I would appreciate if someone could look into it on my behalf. Thanks. If any members can advise the lads also that would be great.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Johnstone, the back four and Livermore. A bigger problem than it seems?
« on: October 26, 2019, 05:24:47 PM »
We've now conceded 2 goals in each of our last 5 home matches.
Despite people saying individuals playing well, and the defensive shield supposedly having a revelation season it isn't borne out by the stats or the facts.
What is the solution, if any?
Despite people saying individuals playing well, and the defensive shield supposedly having a revelation season it isn't borne out by the stats or the facts.
What is the solution, if any?
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West Bromwich Albion FC / WM Football Phone In.
« on: March 18, 2019, 11:17:07 PM »
So I've been listening to this online while I've been off work last week, we come off terribly on it compared to fans of the other W. Mids clubs? Who on earth is phoning in?
Thought this could become a regular thread to discuss the Albion related calls on there. I've barely agreed with one call this past week, from numerous people calling for Shan to remain in situ, to someone saying Moyes and Puel the only obvious choices. The mind boggles.
Thought this could become a regular thread to discuss the Albion related calls on there. I've barely agreed with one call this past week, from numerous people calling for Shan to remain in situ, to someone saying Moyes and Puel the only obvious choices. The mind boggles.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Best team.
« on: February 01, 2019, 12:15:34 AM »
4-3-3
Bond or Johnstone
Holgate
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs
Phillips
Barry
Johansen
Murphy
Gayle or Rodriguez
Montero or Gayle
Subs. Johnstone, Rodriguez, Brunt, Harper, Leko, Bartley, Livermore.
Bond or Johnstone
Holgate
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs
Phillips
Barry
Johansen
Murphy
Gayle or Rodriguez
Montero or Gayle
Subs. Johnstone, Rodriguez, Brunt, Harper, Leko, Bartley, Livermore.
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Announcements, Feedback & Questions / Merged thread.
« on: February 24, 2018, 09:40:12 PM »
If you don't mind me saying you've just merged 2 threads that were totally different discussions? What's left now doesn't make sense.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / To stay up.
« on: February 03, 2018, 06:39:51 PM »
Despite not rating Pardew more than a lot of you don't rate Pulis. I still think we can stay up. However it's entirely conditional on getting this team out for the last 10 or 11 games of the season.
Foster
Dawson/Nyom
Hegazi
Evans
Gibbs
Brunt
Krychowiak
Barry/Morrison
Chadli
Sturridge
Rondon
If this is not possible particularly Chadli I only see relegation.
What are everyone else's thoughts on what's needed for survival.
Foster
Dawson/Nyom
Hegazi
Evans
Gibbs
Brunt
Krychowiak
Barry/Morrison
Chadli
Sturridge
Rondon
If this is not possible particularly Chadli I only see relegation.
What are everyone else's thoughts on what's needed for survival.
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General Football & Sports / Video Refs at last!?
« on: March 06, 2016, 12:27:34 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35736241
A trial of the use of video assistant referees for "game-changing decisions" in football will begin no later than the 2017-18 season.
Technology would only be applied to key incidents concerning goals, red cards, mistaken identities and penalties.
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) says it has had interest in hosting live trials from 12 national associations and one confederation.
The news was announced following a meeting of the IFAB in Cardiff.
New Fifa president Gianni Infantino, who believes greater use of technology within the game is inevitable, called it a "historic" day for the sport and said the decision proved the game's leaders were "listening to football".
The IFAB, which is made up of the four British football associations and Fifa, says a final decision on approving the technology for use throughout the game will only be made following a thorough period of testing and an agreement on the protocols for its use.
Infantino said: "We cannot close our eyes to the future but it doesn't mean to say it will work.
"The flow of the game is crucial. We cannot put that in danger. That is why we have to be open to test."
In addition to the video technology trials, the IFAB has also decided to end the 'triple punishment rule'.
It means in instances in which the referee feels defenders have made a legitimate attempt to make a tackle inside the penalty area, they will not be sent off if they commit a foul. A penalty and, possible goal against their team, is deemed sufficient punishment.
This would not apply when the offence is holding, pushing or pulling, the defender does not attempt to play the ball or the offence would be worthy of a red card if it had been committed elsewhere in the penalty area.
How will video referees work?
Will the natural flow of the game be disrupted?
The IFAB is determined this must not happen. At their news conference on Saturday, it was stressed repeatedly that if the flow of the game was hindered, the video experiment would not be implemented on a full-time basis. Logistical issues, such as when a referee stops the game for a video review, are the major reasons the IFAB have been so reluctant to say when the experiment will begin.
What about offside?
Ordinarily, referees will not stop the game to review an offside decision. However, there is a caveat. Goals can be reviewed so if there is a potential offside in the build-up to a goal, this can be checked.
Will we see it in Britain?
It is possible. The IFAB says 12 countries have expressed interest in hosting trials. Scottish Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan said the Scottish Cup could be the ideal vehicle, so it is fair to assume Scotland is one of those interested.
At which levels of the game will it be used?
This is still to be decided. Football has always been proud of the fact the game is essentially the same, whether it is played on a park or in the biggest stadiums. Technology, clearly, is not available to all. However, even at a professional level, not all grounds in all countries have access to the number of cameras needed to provide adequate cover to make key decisions.
Will players like it?
Generally speaking, those involved in the game - be they players, managers or officials - are willing to embrace anything that ensures more correct decisions are made. No system is 100% foolproof. But tight goalline decisions, such as the one that went against Tottenham in Saturday's north London derby, are now being made correctly because of video technology. Provided it is implemented properly, there is no reason to believe further improvement will not be made with the forthcoming trials.
Further rule changes
The IFAB unanimously approved a comprehensive revision of the Laws of the Game - an 18-month project, led by former English referee David Elleray. It is the most comprehensive revision of the laws undertaken during the IFAB's 130-year existence.
The word count has been halved and gender neutral language introduced throughout.
One of the amendments relates to a player who is injured by a challenge punished by a yellow or red card. Rather than the injured player having to leave the field, which gives the offending team a numerical advantage, the player will be able to have treatment on the pitch (Law 5).
The kick-off is also changing, with players able to move the ball in any direction, rather than just forward (Law
,
There will also be experimentation with a fourth substitution within extra time, although the league or competition for the trial is yet to be decided.
Think this is great news, hope the trials go well.
A trial of the use of video assistant referees for "game-changing decisions" in football will begin no later than the 2017-18 season.
Technology would only be applied to key incidents concerning goals, red cards, mistaken identities and penalties.
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) says it has had interest in hosting live trials from 12 national associations and one confederation.
The news was announced following a meeting of the IFAB in Cardiff.
New Fifa president Gianni Infantino, who believes greater use of technology within the game is inevitable, called it a "historic" day for the sport and said the decision proved the game's leaders were "listening to football".
The IFAB, which is made up of the four British football associations and Fifa, says a final decision on approving the technology for use throughout the game will only be made following a thorough period of testing and an agreement on the protocols for its use.
Infantino said: "We cannot close our eyes to the future but it doesn't mean to say it will work.
"The flow of the game is crucial. We cannot put that in danger. That is why we have to be open to test."
In addition to the video technology trials, the IFAB has also decided to end the 'triple punishment rule'.
It means in instances in which the referee feels defenders have made a legitimate attempt to make a tackle inside the penalty area, they will not be sent off if they commit a foul. A penalty and, possible goal against their team, is deemed sufficient punishment.
This would not apply when the offence is holding, pushing or pulling, the defender does not attempt to play the ball or the offence would be worthy of a red card if it had been committed elsewhere in the penalty area.
How will video referees work?
Will the natural flow of the game be disrupted?
The IFAB is determined this must not happen. At their news conference on Saturday, it was stressed repeatedly that if the flow of the game was hindered, the video experiment would not be implemented on a full-time basis. Logistical issues, such as when a referee stops the game for a video review, are the major reasons the IFAB have been so reluctant to say when the experiment will begin.
What about offside?
Ordinarily, referees will not stop the game to review an offside decision. However, there is a caveat. Goals can be reviewed so if there is a potential offside in the build-up to a goal, this can be checked.
Will we see it in Britain?
It is possible. The IFAB says 12 countries have expressed interest in hosting trials. Scottish Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan said the Scottish Cup could be the ideal vehicle, so it is fair to assume Scotland is one of those interested.
At which levels of the game will it be used?
This is still to be decided. Football has always been proud of the fact the game is essentially the same, whether it is played on a park or in the biggest stadiums. Technology, clearly, is not available to all. However, even at a professional level, not all grounds in all countries have access to the number of cameras needed to provide adequate cover to make key decisions.
Will players like it?
Generally speaking, those involved in the game - be they players, managers or officials - are willing to embrace anything that ensures more correct decisions are made. No system is 100% foolproof. But tight goalline decisions, such as the one that went against Tottenham in Saturday's north London derby, are now being made correctly because of video technology. Provided it is implemented properly, there is no reason to believe further improvement will not be made with the forthcoming trials.
Further rule changes
The IFAB unanimously approved a comprehensive revision of the Laws of the Game - an 18-month project, led by former English referee David Elleray. It is the most comprehensive revision of the laws undertaken during the IFAB's 130-year existence.
The word count has been halved and gender neutral language introduced throughout.
One of the amendments relates to a player who is injured by a challenge punished by a yellow or red card. Rather than the injured player having to leave the field, which gives the offending team a numerical advantage, the player will be able to have treatment on the pitch (Law 5).
The kick-off is also changing, with players able to move the ball in any direction, rather than just forward (Law
,There will also be experimentation with a fourth substitution within extra time, although the league or competition for the trial is yet to be decided.
Think this is great news, hope the trials go well.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Albion open contract talks with 5 players
« on: February 08, 2016, 12:38:32 PM »
In a timely article after some were wondering about it on here John Percy is reporting we are in negotiations with Dawson, Morrison, Sessegnon, McAuley and Olsson over new deals.
I certainly would be keen on Morrison but the rest should at the very least be questioned.
I certainly would be keen on Morrison but the rest should at the very least be questioned.
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General Football & Sports / Lawro Predicts!!
« on: November 28, 2015, 12:39:15 AM »
Okay so I gave up on Lawro a couple of seasons ago, but stumbled across the BBC blog tonight. He has inevitably backed us to lose at West Ham, but when I looked further he's only predicted a defeat in one other game this season. His predictions have us played 13 won 6 drawn 6 lost 1. I'm completely amazed 
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Announcements, Feedback & Questions / locked
« on: February 15, 2015, 12:49:36 PM »
Why's the Vile thread locked in General?
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Is it time for the Coffin?
« on: December 06, 2014, 11:39:22 AM »
Someone posted earlier "is AI our least popular manager since Gould", I think he's less popular, possibly our least popular manager ever. I say the coffin should be 'on ice' at the Shrine next Saturday in case of defeat?
ps I know he is head coach.
ps I know he is head coach.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / I think it's plausible
« on: September 14, 2014, 11:51:25 AM »
that Roy Hodgson was the worst thing to happen to this club for years. It appears to have given Peace the impression that this head coach thing is viable and works. If we'd gone down under RDM as we certainly would have, the experiment would have finished and we wouldn't be stuck with this youth team buffoon now.
I love Roy but he has pulled the wool over Jeremy's eyes. He was the head coach in name only, he ran our club.
I love Roy but he has pulled the wool over Jeremy's eyes. He was the head coach in name only, he ran our club.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Tony Mowbray
« on: September 14, 2014, 10:05:44 AM »
They say never go back, but I'm sitting in the Hawthorns longing for that attacking football, when we clapped them off most weeks despite Carson/Martis/Meite probably costing us points. We can't defend anyway but think of the difference in quality between our players then and now. The football we'd play would be a joy to watch.
I'd send out an SOS to Mowbray. Get him back and get a bit of beauty into the football we're watching get back a bit of matchday enjoyment. If Alan Irvine deserved a second chance TM definitely does.
I know one thing, there won't be a standing ovation this May.
I'd send out an SOS to Mowbray. Get him back and get a bit of beauty into the football we're watching get back a bit of matchday enjoyment. If Alan Irvine deserved a second chance TM definitely does.
I know one thing, there won't be a standing ovation this May.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Comparison to last season. Corresponding matches.
« on: August 31, 2014, 07:00:32 PM »
I do think this is valid despite what others have said.
Graph is self explanatory.
As you can see we got 6 points last season from our last 15 games this season.
Edit. we are now 5 points worse off after just 4 league matches.
Graph is self explanatory.
As you can see we got 6 points last season from our last 15 games this season.
Edit. we are now 5 points worse off after just 4 league matches.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Safe Standing. Relocation.
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:55:44 PM »
For balance I think this is worth asking.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / [insert name here] is not very good because...
« on: August 07, 2014, 09:30:29 PM »
... we haven't had any offers for them.
I keep seeing this on here, most recently with Morrison and Brunt, why do people assume we have not received offers/enquiries for any of our players. The club simply do not release this sort of information to the public the majority of the time.
I keep seeing this on here, most recently with Morrison and Brunt, why do people assume we have not received offers/enquiries for any of our players. The club simply do not release this sort of information to the public the majority of the time.
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Announcements, Feedback & Questions / Question
« on: July 25, 2014, 08:59:48 PM »
Hello chaps, back from my ban so would like to ask THE pertinent question. Is the Alan Irvine thing not welcome on this forum? If not, why not? Father Ted still seems to be doing the rounds on here which is arguably worse.
Cheers
Jacko
Cheers
Jacko
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Perspective needed.
« on: January 30, 2014, 01:22:21 AM »
I was there tonight and the result certainly wasn't pretty, but I can't help but think there have been some massive knee jerk reactions that wouldn't have happened if say, we'd just lost 4-3 in the same manner at the Liberty Stadium. The fact it was Villa hurts more and emotions run high, it was a poor defensive performance (from ALL of the back four) but there were promising signs further up the pitch.
I personally, for instance have got a 5 or 6 game amnesty with regard to complaining about team selections (Dorrans was in tonight and I wouldn't have minded seeing him replace Morrison with 20 mins left under different circumstances), the only way Mel will learn is to make mistakes, that said he will have to be careful about the agendas of his coaches and local media, my example was a great deal has been made by the press of McAuley losing out to Lugano, fair enough because he had a stinker overall, BUT, Steven Reid was even worse and no-one has asked why Jones wasn't playing, this concerns me deeply. My message: Lets get behind Pepe and the team and roar them on to that 40 points mark as early as possible.
Wouldn't it be so typically Albion to sneak something on Sunday against the best strikeforce in the division after leaking goals for fun tonight?
I personally, for instance have got a 5 or 6 game amnesty with regard to complaining about team selections (Dorrans was in tonight and I wouldn't have minded seeing him replace Morrison with 20 mins left under different circumstances), the only way Mel will learn is to make mistakes, that said he will have to be careful about the agendas of his coaches and local media, my example was a great deal has been made by the press of McAuley losing out to Lugano, fair enough because he had a stinker overall, BUT, Steven Reid was even worse and no-one has asked why Jones wasn't playing, this concerns me deeply. My message: Lets get behind Pepe and the team and roar them on to that 40 points mark as early as possible.
Wouldn't it be so typically Albion to sneak something on Sunday against the best strikeforce in the division after leaking goals for fun tonight?
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Pat Frost
« on: January 03, 2014, 08:57:04 PM »
I gather tomorrow will be Pat Frost's final game as Albion kit-man. He is leaving to concentrate on his business. Very highly thought of by the players it seems and excellent with fans on twitter and moreover one of our own. Just thought I'd make this thread to say thank you and good luck to Pat.
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West Bromwich Albion FC / Is it time to acknowledge...
« on: December 15, 2013, 12:42:56 AM »
...that winning away at Manchester United isn't that big of a deal now that Moyes is in charge. I myself have been guilty of bigging up this result to promote my views on team selection etc. and I'm expecting to see it a lot in the dissection of the Clarke sacking in the next few days. Just looking at some of their other results and league position, was this as good a performance as we have all made out. Was it merely a good performance rather than an exceptional one?
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General Football & Sports / Refereeing Premier League 2012/13
« on: October 20, 2013, 12:47:37 AM »
I heard about this on TalkShite this morning during the Johnny Vaughan (I know) Show, and following an inept performance by our supposed best referee I have searched it out.
Makes interesting reading (and no surprise about Michael Oliver...)
Ref Review 2012/13 : The best ref in the PL was….
By Walter Broeckx
This article is part of the series of the Referee Review 2013. You can find links to earlier articles on the bottom of this article.
__________________________
After having dealt with the different teams and after having examined all the refs we now are bringing it all together. In the last article in this series we have shown the competency tables of the refs and if you missed it you can have a look over here.
And then we have added their bias to it. If you missed that one you can have a look here.
And now all we have to do is put those two things together and we will be able to announce who was the best ref in the PL.
So in the table we will show you in this article we will show you the final merit table of the referees. Not just based on their competence but also based on the fact that the lower the impact was of their errors on the different teams the better a ref you are. We can accept errors up to a certain way. But what we cannot accept is that errors always go in favour of one team or against one team.
So my dear readers and referees of the PL I will no longer leave you in tension and show you the final outcome of the Referee review 2012/2013 and here we go with the final table of this years review.
Who was the best ref of the season 2012/2013 according to our reviews:
Final referee table 2012 2013
THE best ref of the season was Jonathan Moss. He was the best ref in the competency table but also was the ref with the best general bias score. In fact he managed to make no team really suffer very very badly when he was around. And combining this with a high score in his decision making it is a remarkable achievement.
I had to praise him a lot in his report for his decision making and somehow a good ref is usually a ref with a low bias against teams. Jonathan Moss is 42 years old now and only has been in the PL since 2011. Last year we only reviewed a few games so we couldn’t take him in to the tables but also then in the games we reviewed we noticed high scores and low bias scores. Now when doing him more games we found the same things.
If only he would have been younger than he should be give a Fifa badge. And if you look at the distance between him and the rest it is fair to say that he was sticking out with head and shoulders compared to the rest.
In second place taking in to account not only the competence but also the bias we find Mark Clattenburg. The winner of the ref of the season 2011/2012. Despite having a bad competence score, Clattenburg managed to save his season by showing just as last season that he is a ref who has an excellent bias score. He only finished in 5th place in the competency but was in second place in the bias table. And that took him to the all round second place last season. I hope that Clattenburg can shake off what happened to him last season and which had a clear influence on his performances.
To complete the top 3 we have ref Andre Marriner. His competency score was also the third best but he dropped some points in the bias table. But he still could keep his third place by a small margin in front of Martin Atkinson. Martin Atkinson who had a great score in the bias table and that saved his total score as he only finished 10th in the competency table.
A ref that was not expected to be so high was Lee Mason I think. With position 8 in the competency table he managed to move higher in the final table with his bias score.
The ref in 6th place needs a special mention. Kevin Friend was the ref with the second highest competency score but he dropped a lot of points when we look at the bias numbers. He only came in 10th place. So an example on how even a rather competent ref still can be a bad ref. It was as if when he made mistakes it were big ones and made too many teams suffer. If this ref could bring some balance in to his game he might become a good ref. A thing to keep in mind is maybe having a look if there is some home bias in to his game. This might be a reason but I must admit I didn’t have the time to look in to that yet.
The next ref is Howard Webb. Last time he was the referee who did the world cup final. But in our final table he only comes in 7th place. The position he occupied in both competency and bias tables.
Michael Jones finished in 8th place just in front of Phil Dowd. A ref that finished higher the season before but couldn’t keep up his standard in the last season. Maybe his age is catching up on him?
In 10th place we find the Arsenal bogey ref Mike Dean. He had mediocre numbers in competency and bias and so a 10th place is all he can get.
Chris Foy finished in 11th place. And people who remember the competency table will remember him finishing last in this table. But he then showed that despite making a lot of mistakes his mistakes were rather evenly spread amongst the teams he did. He was the 5th best referee in the bias table. And this indicates that when he makes mistakes he is rather fine in splitting them between the teams.
Neil Swarbrick finished in 12th place. This is a surprise as he finished 4th in the competency table. But when he made mistakes it all went one way and some teams suffered (and other benefited) in an extreme way. And it cost him lots of places in the table. Be more even is my advice.
In 13th place we find the ex-referee that refuses to keep his mouth shut and didn’t accept the silence money. Keep on telling us things is my advice to Mark Halsey.
Then we have Lee Probert and Anthony Taylor. And they deserve their low ranking. No need to say any more.
And then we also have Michael Oliver who has scored very low. The youngest referee in the PL and carrier of a Fifa badge. But such a low score. I must say that is or a bad move from the PGMOL to give him a Fifa badge before he really could establish himself in the PL and gain more experience. On the other hand FIFA forcing the local FA to give Fifa badged at an early age to refs that maybe are not ready for this. But that is another story.
I would advice to not take notice of Roger East. With only 2 games done it would be highly unfair to draw conclusions but I did mention him in the tables because otherwise we wouldn’t have taken all the games and all the refs we reviewed in to this article where we looked at the numbers.
There are more angles we will try to look at in the next days. And we will try to use the data of two seasons and try to come up with long term conclusions. We could try to see if things even out over more than one season. So still lots of interesting things to look forward too.
http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/31756
Makes interesting reading (and no surprise about Michael Oliver...)
Ref Review 2012/13 : The best ref in the PL was….
By Walter Broeckx
This article is part of the series of the Referee Review 2013. You can find links to earlier articles on the bottom of this article.
__________________________
After having dealt with the different teams and after having examined all the refs we now are bringing it all together. In the last article in this series we have shown the competency tables of the refs and if you missed it you can have a look over here.
And then we have added their bias to it. If you missed that one you can have a look here.
And now all we have to do is put those two things together and we will be able to announce who was the best ref in the PL.
So in the table we will show you in this article we will show you the final merit table of the referees. Not just based on their competence but also based on the fact that the lower the impact was of their errors on the different teams the better a ref you are. We can accept errors up to a certain way. But what we cannot accept is that errors always go in favour of one team or against one team.
So my dear readers and referees of the PL I will no longer leave you in tension and show you the final outcome of the Referee review 2012/2013 and here we go with the final table of this years review.
Who was the best ref of the season 2012/2013 according to our reviews:
Final referee table 2012 2013
THE best ref of the season was Jonathan Moss. He was the best ref in the competency table but also was the ref with the best general bias score. In fact he managed to make no team really suffer very very badly when he was around. And combining this with a high score in his decision making it is a remarkable achievement.
I had to praise him a lot in his report for his decision making and somehow a good ref is usually a ref with a low bias against teams. Jonathan Moss is 42 years old now and only has been in the PL since 2011. Last year we only reviewed a few games so we couldn’t take him in to the tables but also then in the games we reviewed we noticed high scores and low bias scores. Now when doing him more games we found the same things.
If only he would have been younger than he should be give a Fifa badge. And if you look at the distance between him and the rest it is fair to say that he was sticking out with head and shoulders compared to the rest.
In second place taking in to account not only the competence but also the bias we find Mark Clattenburg. The winner of the ref of the season 2011/2012. Despite having a bad competence score, Clattenburg managed to save his season by showing just as last season that he is a ref who has an excellent bias score. He only finished in 5th place in the competency but was in second place in the bias table. And that took him to the all round second place last season. I hope that Clattenburg can shake off what happened to him last season and which had a clear influence on his performances.
To complete the top 3 we have ref Andre Marriner. His competency score was also the third best but he dropped some points in the bias table. But he still could keep his third place by a small margin in front of Martin Atkinson. Martin Atkinson who had a great score in the bias table and that saved his total score as he only finished 10th in the competency table.
A ref that was not expected to be so high was Lee Mason I think. With position 8 in the competency table he managed to move higher in the final table with his bias score.
The ref in 6th place needs a special mention. Kevin Friend was the ref with the second highest competency score but he dropped a lot of points when we look at the bias numbers. He only came in 10th place. So an example on how even a rather competent ref still can be a bad ref. It was as if when he made mistakes it were big ones and made too many teams suffer. If this ref could bring some balance in to his game he might become a good ref. A thing to keep in mind is maybe having a look if there is some home bias in to his game. This might be a reason but I must admit I didn’t have the time to look in to that yet.
The next ref is Howard Webb. Last time he was the referee who did the world cup final. But in our final table he only comes in 7th place. The position he occupied in both competency and bias tables.
Michael Jones finished in 8th place just in front of Phil Dowd. A ref that finished higher the season before but couldn’t keep up his standard in the last season. Maybe his age is catching up on him?
In 10th place we find the Arsenal bogey ref Mike Dean. He had mediocre numbers in competency and bias and so a 10th place is all he can get.
Chris Foy finished in 11th place. And people who remember the competency table will remember him finishing last in this table. But he then showed that despite making a lot of mistakes his mistakes were rather evenly spread amongst the teams he did. He was the 5th best referee in the bias table. And this indicates that when he makes mistakes he is rather fine in splitting them between the teams.
Neil Swarbrick finished in 12th place. This is a surprise as he finished 4th in the competency table. But when he made mistakes it all went one way and some teams suffered (and other benefited) in an extreme way. And it cost him lots of places in the table. Be more even is my advice.
In 13th place we find the ex-referee that refuses to keep his mouth shut and didn’t accept the silence money. Keep on telling us things is my advice to Mark Halsey.
Then we have Lee Probert and Anthony Taylor. And they deserve their low ranking. No need to say any more.
And then we also have Michael Oliver who has scored very low. The youngest referee in the PL and carrier of a Fifa badge. But such a low score. I must say that is or a bad move from the PGMOL to give him a Fifa badge before he really could establish himself in the PL and gain more experience. On the other hand FIFA forcing the local FA to give Fifa badged at an early age to refs that maybe are not ready for this. But that is another story.
I would advice to not take notice of Roger East. With only 2 games done it would be highly unfair to draw conclusions but I did mention him in the tables because otherwise we wouldn’t have taken all the games and all the refs we reviewed in to this article where we looked at the numbers.
There are more angles we will try to look at in the next days. And we will try to use the data of two seasons and try to come up with long term conclusions. We could try to see if things even out over more than one season. So still lots of interesting things to look forward too.
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