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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Action For Albion
« on: January 26, 2023, 01:20:46 PM »
Actions have led to Nicola Richards MP addressing our issues and other clubs in the same boat in the houses of parliament today. Good stuff

Just seen it on Sky, good to hear our club used as the example by Nicola Richards, and both S4A and A4A given an honourable mention.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: January 23, 2023, 05:51:18 PM »
Looks like a job for Big Sam to me....again ;D

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: January 23, 2023, 03:32:04 PM »
Lampard has been given the spanish archer.....

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ron Gourlay - CEO
« on: January 19, 2023, 11:37:14 PM »
Sadly, football is filled with slick talking chairmen and Gourlay is no different. Praise up your positives whilst glossing over the negatives.

I don’t think he was that slick to be honest, he knew there was an elephant in the room  and he couldn’t talk about it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: January 19, 2023, 09:52:26 AM »
I'm glad you read my original post again.

Yes, the board were definitely correct in saying no to a 20 year old who had just scored 16 in the prem, and instead wasting £5m on injury prone sick vic. Instead of sanctioning the Rom deal it was correct for us, that the "board" sanctioned scumbag Peace's loan to himself of £4m and the £1m a year he paid himself as well. It was also,definitely correct that the "board" said yes to buying t urd after t urd like unproven in the prem, Ideye Brown, on whom we lost £4m after just one season with us.

Furthermore, please tell me where we were, as you say, and at what stage would we need to be at for you deem a decision by the board to make that Lukaku signing?

As I remember it, we had finished in our highest position in over 30 years and been in the prem a few years. The money gained for just finishing 8th would have paid the loan fee on its own. The loan had an option to buy and the loan fee (£5m) was to be taken off the sale price (£28m) if the option to buy was activated, as I recall.

Also, if it's someone else's money why do you post on threads about money like this Lai one, as according to you that's his money isn't it?

I didn't.

In 2012/13 we did indeed finish 8th under Steve Clarke and with Lukaku in the side. Once Everton came in I am not sure we stood a chance of signing him for the following season, not only due to the fee but the fact that Everton could offer him European football.

With regard to where we needed to be, we needed to be in Everton's position. They had plenty of money and ambition. They had European ambitions and top 6 finishes, whereas we were happy to tread water and survive.  In 2012/13 they spent £17m, whereas we spent £3.5m (our net spend was actually £0.00). Everton's spending since has always increased, and they are now regularly spending £110m + per season [gross]. We never even came close to anything that they spent. So at the time, we were never going to break our transfer record by paying £5 or £8m on a loan with no intention to buy. Furthermore, Peace was never going to spend £20m+ on a player. I agree with you that what happened after was disastrous, both with the subsequent purchases and poor managerial appointments. A more ambitious chairman with the club at heart would have secured the services of Lukaku and built a team around him, but as we now know Peace had his own agenda.

I don't actually understand your last sentence. How many times have you seen posts on here like 'we need to buy a centre forward, we need two new midfielders, we need six new players' etc, all valid points but unrealistic given our financial dilemma. I am not sure how my comments regarding Lai's financial shenanigans relate to this.


West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: January 18, 2023, 09:45:06 PM »
Knowing our financial situation I cannot see us bringing anyone in during this window. Given CC's spectacular success he will be hard pushed to ask for anyone to strengthen the squad and get a receptive chinese ear.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ron Gourlay - CEO
« on: January 18, 2023, 05:18:41 PM »
I also thought that BBC WM stole a march on A4A to get the interview first. We were all waiting to see what he had to say to them, but I think the interviewer asked all the right questions.....

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ron Gourlay - CEO
« on: January 18, 2023, 04:32:17 PM »
I don't think anyone was impressed Stan, to me he sounded as though he was at his wits end and that it is easier to plait fog than get anything from the Chinese ownership.

I can see him walking away shortly (just like Jenkins) and I wouldn't blame him personally....I

General Football & Sports / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: January 18, 2023, 01:10:04 PM »
Forgive me if this is a silly question but if they’ve terminated his contract, where does that leave us with the remaining payments?

I’m sure I read we were being paid £4m per year over 4 years.

I am only guessing, but I assume our contract will be with the club and not the player, so they will be bound to honour the contract. Its a bit like buying a car on 5 years HP, if you sell it in year 3, you still have to settle the HP.

Having said that, I am sure we were stupid enough to put a clause in the contract to say the opposite, but its a good question.

As I understood it, the MP payments were servicing the Grant  'millstone' and whatever was left annually went to the club.

General Football & Sports / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: January 18, 2023, 12:35:15 PM »
If that were true there'd be plenty of better players than Pereira moving to Saudi Arabia. Premier league clubs aren't exactly paying pittances and he'd have been on a huge wage if he'd left us to another club. If he'd continued to star in the premier he would have been well into a 6 figure a week contract.

Still the club was very silly on this, we should have got at least 25m for him - the idea we had to sell him to the club offering the highest wages makes zero sense, otherwise teams like City and Chelsea would rarely pay high fees. Looking at the fees Benrahma and Buendia who were a similar age but without the premier league pedigree he'd shown, its absurd how cheaply he went. 17m wouldn't even buy you a top championship player.

In all honesty Dan I don't know why [not that I care]. It may be that they are only allowed a certain number of foreign players per club, which would explain a lot I guess. I looked at his club the other day and it was mainly Saudi players in it.

If I cannot sleep tonight I will research it  ;D

I researched it, and a club can only register 7 foreign players, and can only name up to 6 in a team......

Al Hilal has players from Nigeria, Argentina, Mali, Peru, South Korea and two from Brazil, including yours truly...all the rest are Saudis.

General Football & Sports / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: January 18, 2023, 12:13:01 PM »
Yeah but Yokuslu isn't all about the money. Pereira is just a mercenary (as is his right)

I don't think anyone could have turned down the offer he had, but now he is back in the real world he will need to be realistic about his wage demands and, unless he will play for us for charity, I cannot see him at B71 any time soon sadly, apart from when he turns out for one of our rivals.

Thanks Lai - look what you could have won..

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 18, 2023, 11:02:57 AM »
An old work colleague of mine is a spirerite and I met him in the Royal Oak for a few. It was rammed with them and they were very lively on their ‘big day out’. He said that they were not that bothered about winning, all they want to do is get out of the league, and their big game is at the weekend against Notts County. Thought their support was excellent yesterday, put a lot of Championship clubs to shame

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ron Gourlay - CEO
« on: January 18, 2023, 10:40:15 AM »
Without Gourlay we have no firewall at all to stop Lai taking more money out of the club. Lai cannot be trusted, Ken, his lackey who signed off on the previous loan cannot be trusted. The only other guy on the board looks after the ticket office and club shop and has zero clout. Gourlay walking would be a disaster IMV; and I can't get my head around fans trying to blame him for the owners action and inaction. He has been as honest and direct with fans as he can be. Nor does it make any sense to want the guy who appointed Corberan and works with him and the only guy in the boardroom with experience in the industry to leave the club.

I fully agree with this 82, spot on.

Having listened to the interview, I am concerned about his comment that 'the loan will be repaid in some shape or form', which I can only assume is suggesting some sort of offset against dividend payments - so no hard cash return potentially.

The amount that Lai paid for us has often said to be between £175m and £200m, so it was nice of him to confirm that it was £200m.

I don't get this 'I don't believe him' slant that some are mentioning, he is in a very difficult position and he is hardly going to call his employer out is he? Whilst I know that he made a lot of promises when he took the post regarding DoF, additional board members etc, it must be very difficult when your paymaster blocks it.

It would be a disaster if, at this stage, we lost Gourlay as it would only leave 'Dave the programme seller' with any knowledge about football down there.....

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: January 18, 2023, 09:29:10 AM »
Have another read of what I wrote and you'll see we said no to paying the £5m loan fee Everton agreed to pay, and I didn't say we didn't try to get him.

We all remember that day clearly with the sky sports reporter stating he was coming back to us until Everton offered Chelsea a £5m loan fee which we didn't match.

I get your point Balispen and your post makes a few valid points and observations, but I don't think many of us saw the 'none signing' of Lukaku as a significant point in our development. We were lucky to see him at our club and it would have been wonderful to see him back, but we were gazumped at the 11th hour by Everton. If you look at this thread at the time, the loan fee that Everton paid was said to be £8m, not £5m. We would have been stupid to agree to pay that for a loan player that we would have absolutely no chance of signing on a permanent deal, and many posters on here at the time thought the same.

If the board said no to paying that fee then for me that was the correct decision given who we are and where we were at the time. Its very easy to spend someone else's money.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Action For Albion
« on: January 17, 2023, 04:01:45 PM »
Hi gazberg, from memory he basically explained to highlight the important point that AfA have managed to arrange a meeting with RG and other execs later today. Knowall Jordan proclaimed that its not that important and frankly a pointless meeting because the executives are in the pay of Lai.
As the owner Lai, Jordan said he paid 200 mill for the club hes the owner and can do what he likes(although i would argue that he actually cant do what he likes) and that if it was Jordan owning the club he may listen to the questions but then say "ill do what i like im the owner"  so much for a healthy relstionship betwixt long time and club caring supporters and the owner, the arrogance of the guy and White isnt any better im very glad hes no part of our club.
May i respectfullyy suggest thst Everton supporters try something similar with their club otherwise these so called owners will walk all over supporters and choose to take loans from clubs and say ill pay it back sometime soon maybe
Again from memory didnt Peace leave a debt in the club thats still unpaid? Could be wrong on that one
Anyway we'll hear more later or tomorrow, hope that helps.

He borrowed £3.7m [but he didn't buy any shares with it] and passed the debt onto Lai when he took over WBA Holdings.  Not sure Lai read the small print on that one but either he or Jersey boy owes the club £3.7m plus interest. Thus the investigation into Peace.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 17, 2023, 02:01:51 PM »
It will - that's where I'm expecting it to go  :D

likewise, thats why I asked ;D

I had it in the back of my head that it would go straight to penalties, I have no reason why.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 17, 2023, 01:51:33 PM »
I take it this one will be extra time and penalties if we finish the 90 minutes with a draw

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: January 17, 2023, 05:50:39 AM »
I totally disagree, we stayed up for 8 years with all our record signings basically failing, because we made some bad recruitment decisions and we didn't generate anything significant regarding player sales apart from berahino's £12m. Good managers and some very good cheap recruitment kept us up using only money generated from being in the prem, and no investment from the Jersey baldy boy, so a lot of money wasn't needed then or now.

We said no to a £5m loan fee for Rom and then he went for £28m to Everton on a permanent deal and then sold to Manchester United for about £70m.

No risk was taken or owner investment given by us in trying to get Rom and we would never have spent £28m on him, yet we stayed up on good frees and low priced foreign players.

Only when we started making stupid signings on loan and permanently on and bad managers did we go down.

The actions of Forest this season and Fulham a few seasons (spending £30m on Seri etc, etc) shows lots of money guarantee's you nothing.

A good owner with a plan, and a good  manager and recruitment can stay in the prem for very long periods.

The big 6 clubs spend "lots" to win the league and champions league, etc, etc.

However, anything can happen to the other 14 clubs in the prem regarding relegation in most seasons, as West Ham and Everton are showing now having spent vast sums, and spending lots of money (badly)  hasn't helped them avoid being relegation candidates.

There are a lot of Americans buying into prem clubs, who aren't fools like Lai, and know that a well run club doesn't need lots of money to be spent, it just needs good management and recruitment and the money generated lets them make a profit.

So imo relegation can happen to most teams in any season and spending lots isn't necessary to avoid it though  for the aforementioned reasons.

Not sure where you got your information regarding Lukaku, but as the late Queen said, ‘recollections may vary’.

We never said no to Lukaku, we loaned him from Chelsea and he became an instant hit,  we arranged a further loan for him the following season and on transfer deadline line the club even produced the news release etc, however Everton got him at the 11th hour and we ended up with ‘sick note’ Anichebe from them. The following season Everton bought him from Chelsea.

I remember that day well as I was gutted when I heard the news.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: January 16, 2023, 05:10:54 PM »
From Konur

🚨 Nottingham Forest and Southampton are in the race to sign Hull City striker Oscar Estupinan.
🟡#HCFC 🔴#NFFC 🔴#SaintsFC

Could be a quick profit for Hull who probably will have a nothing season.

Can understand the clamour for him, he was pretty damn good when he came to our place and we all sat scratching our heads wondering how on earth Hull got him.....

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 14, 2023, 11:31:08 PM »
I posted on the In Game Thread at 2-0 that we would find out how much spine this lot have - got my answer  :)

I have said this earlier, but at 2-0 down I totally believed in them and stuck £10 on them with Paddy Power. Had a great night out😂

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:56:31 PM »
Great win, and great effort all around - especially Yokuslu, Molumby and Dara.

Brilliant s**thousery in the last 15 mins to kill the clock. I reckon that Diego Simeone would have been proud of that effort.

I watched the game with Luton commentators, they were not happy with the last 15 minutes! but how many times have we had the same done to us, and they would have done exactly the same had they been winning. All part of the game I'm afraid.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:16:01 PM »
Fantastic performance and we have gatecrashed the top 6 - lets get the party started!

Ropey start but once we found ourselves there was only one team in it for me. Love to see what it means to the team at the end as well, they are really up for it - brilliant stuff.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:04:17 PM »
When we were 2 down I just had total faith in the team and popped £10 on the boys at 14/1 - happy days😂

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Action For Albion
« on: January 14, 2023, 01:40:27 PM »
How not to do it!  :o

Probably not but it is certainly getting the press coverage

I wonder if they will lend us that banner as it suits us perfectly.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan - New Head Coach
« on: January 13, 2023, 08:13:14 AM »
Griffiths recalled from Portsmouth, hopefully Button is offski......

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