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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan
« on: May 04, 2024, 05:55:26 PM »
I don't have any confidence in the club to win the playoffs, I think all the recent years have beaten the optimism out of me, or perhaps i am just becoming a grumpy, cynical old bugger.

But if we are knocked out by the Saints, which I expect, this season has to go down as a successful one. The turmoil was building for a long time before finally coming to a head and it would have been very easy for the entire club to lose focus. I feel like Corberan does have the ability to get us back into the Premier League in the next few years as long as the Chairman makes some funds available.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: February 17, 2024, 02:45:48 AM »
Too true. His predecessor took a lot more out of the club than Lai ever managed.

The Peace hatred is pretty astonishing to me and always has been.
We were so bad for so many years and I had a hell of a lot of joy as a supporter during the time Peace was in charge and the club was in a far better position when he left, than when he took over.

I understand people didn't like some of his dealings, but by almost any measure I can think of, he was a successful owner of the club. The absolute  opposite is true of Lai

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: February 16, 2024, 11:48:50 AM »
Ding Dong the witch is dead, the witch is dead, the witch is dead... Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead..

Never can I remember feeling such an affinity with the munchkins from the Wizard of Oz as when I read that there was an agreement in place for us to be sold.. The new owners SURELY cannot be as bad as Lai, I am very scared what they find "under the hood", but hopefully the time starts now at rebuilding this great club.

I admit I know close to nothing of the new owner, but i knew he isn't Lai and right now that is enough for me

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: August 18, 2023, 03:24:41 AM »
i have serious concerns about the viability of our club at present. if Lai doesn't sell the club, i think there is a real possibility that we don't last the next 10 (or possibly even 5) years.

We are run in an atrocious manner at present and unless we can turn up top line talents and profit from them in the transfer market, our club is in a lot of trouble.

it really is a "negative" post i know, but whenever i think of the club at the moment i get depressed at where we are at.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: David Button
« on: February 04, 2023, 12:45:33 PM »
I am really worried about this next period of time that Palmer is out. Button is not great and I feel like Palmer has been the revelation of our season so far. Let's hope Button can hold the fort over the next 1-2 months

General Football & Sports / Re: Kenneth Zohore
« on: January 31, 2023, 10:13:56 PM »
Thank goodness this sage is over!!
Never been more happy to see a player leave the club

General Football & Sports / Re: Kenneth Zohore
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:32:11 PM »
 Absolutely he can, but we can also give him basically no football training and let him stew. In the end he gets his pay until the end of the season, but it won't be looking good for him earning in his next contract at his next club.

It is much better for him if he can get away from the club now and much better for us also

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:14:37 PM »
Good summary, Lai is the biggest bag holder in this Ponzi scheme. The only question outstanding for me, is the terms of the co-investors, have they been promised a dividend yield, which is hidden from view, that Lai is servicing with loans etc.

As for posters wondering what questions were asked when the deal was done, I'm confident only one condition mattered to JP, which was proof of funds. Peace clearly had no care or interest whatsoever how Lai funded the deal. He could have got Kim Jong-un on board to put $100m in, it would not have mattered.

But also it isn't Peace's job to care where the funds come from, it is the league's job to ensure the entity taking over is considered fit to run a football club. If I was selling a business my main concern would also be.. do you have the funds? certainly not where the cash came from

General Football & Sports / Re: Kenneth Zohore
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:11:42 PM »
Offer as much as 80% of his wages to get him out of the club, otherwise pay him to just do laps, don't even get him touching a football and let him finish him show other prospective clubs he isn't worth a packet of chips when this contract is up

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 14, 2023, 05:09:02 PM »
I am absolutely lost for words. Is there anything CC and this team cannot do? I hate the playoffs because they are so cutthroat, but looking forward to them at the minute and it is almost unfathomable that we will miss out for here. COYB!!!

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 08, 2023, 11:54:29 AM »
When we were down 3-2, I admit I wanted us to lose. I have said in another thread, happy enough with cup runs, but don't really care about them and don't wand first team players exhausting themselves in them. Would have preferred a loss than a draw.

Anyway, back to the real stuff next weekend.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 07, 2023, 03:01:45 PM »
Yeah, managers are on a lose-lose with cups really.  First, there's pretty much no chance of winning it, if you go back 30-40 years it's been the same handful of clubs winning it.  Then if we play a strong side and get through a couple of rounds but drop some points in the league or get an injury to a crucial player then we'll complain that he should have used it to rest players.   Then if we rest players we'll say we've not taken it seriously.  In the championship there's simply too many games to not try and take the FA Cup as an opportunity to rest key players.  That's not to say we won't enjoy going on a bit of a run, but for me the FA Cup is basically a nice distraction that we should enjoy if we do ok but also it's not terrible if we go out.

What Carlos has done with this line up is spot on.  Giver some of the back up players a good run out but still enough that we should win the game.
100% spot on!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan - New Head Coach
« on: January 07, 2023, 02:02:12 PM »
There's no right or wrong way to play but we don't play like those Swansea teams. They controlled games with the ball, we nore often than not control them off the ball but also have the ability and tactical flexibility to control them on the ball. Our game is far more varied than the heavy possession and position based sides.

At times though, we are good to watch with the ball and even when we aren't particularly good on the ball, I find our organisation and intensity good to watch. There's a bit of most styles in our play, something for everyone.

I wasn't saying we played like swansea, I was comparing the breath of fresh air that team was and I feel like our current team is the same, going from a stodgy realistically boring side to being one of the most watchable teams in the division.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 07, 2023, 01:45:15 PM »
I actually don't mind if we lose today. Cups runs are great, but we are coming from so far behind that I don't want them to be a distraction as we fight tooth and nail to get ourselves promoted.

There is always next season for the cups.. Of course I still want the lads to give it a decent shout, but won't be losing any sleep at all over a loss

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 03, 2023, 04:20:36 PM »
I think we'd need to average about 3 points a game to do that. At their current rate, Burnley look set for abut 96 points. If we won every game we'd finish on 98. I'd love that, but I just don't see it happening. The early part of the season has absolutely crippled us in that respect.

When we were promoted for the first time under Megson, we chased down an 11 point lead the Wolves had over us either Feb or March, so it is absolutely possible to get instant promotion from where we currently are, but it is looking exceedingly difficult. I think we will need somewhere around 90 pointsto be in consideration and that is still 52 points in 20 games, which is a hell of an ask. Even under CC we are not on target for that with 24 from 30.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan - New Head Coach
« on: January 03, 2023, 04:12:17 PM »
The change we have seen under CC is akin to the breath of fresh air that Martinez and Rodgers brought to Swansea. We are playing an extremely attractive (and effective) type of football and this to me is even more important than the results it is bringing. I always want to win, but I got so sick of being a team that plays awful football, it felt at times almost like this was our "brand". Based on his own history, I don't hold out a lot of hope that CC will stay with us long, he hasn't been shy to leave secure positions before and I can imagine him looking elsewhere at some stage in the next 18 months, I just hope it is closer to the end of that period, rather than at some stage this season, because him leaving us this season would be a disaster for us.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 02, 2023, 05:00:25 PM »
Seems like we used up a lot of petrol tickets to get ahead, need to take those early chances and we should have been able to cruise to the finish line here. Still another game, another win!! Well done lads

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: January 02, 2023, 04:25:39 PM »

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: January 01, 2023, 04:50:03 PM »
How strange that all that is good with the club is down to the new manager, and all that is bad is down to the board/chairman
So can someone enlighten me as to which fan or player it was that appointment Corberan?

All people are going to be judged on their body of work, with an obvious weighting to the present. CC can only be judged on performances since he arrived and these are brilliant, it is inarguable that he has made a huge difference in our match day results. The board and the owner have a bigger body of work to be judged on and yes the appointment of CC is a tick, but this tick (imo) is outweighed by various questionable decisions that have been made, including the current loan.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: December 31, 2022, 11:16:44 PM »
Christ, where shall I start.

Firstly you compare us to Man United and what the Glazers do. Are you oblivious to the fact that Manchester United are a public company, listed on the NYSE, unable to breathe without reporting it immediately to the market, and with an obligation to have all kinds of governance structures in place, with properly responsible NEDs?  While we are a private company with no such obligations?   

Secondly, with a tiny board of directors totally controlled by Lai, I doubt any journalist would find anything out without Lai knowing exactly who from the board would have leaked it.

Thirdly, Lai is not a director.  He has no legal capacity whatsoever to buy any players. All he can do is tell his stooges on the board to do it, but their first duty under company law is to the company itself ahead of anybody else. They are all aware that they are firmly under the microscope.   I’ve said on here many times that if anybody is determined to act incorrectly then they will, and they are exposed to the consequences.  It’s illegal to murder somebody but it doesn’t stop it happening, and it doesn’t mean that there aren’t consequences.

Fourthly, MSD will not have lent £20m to the club without very tight strings attached.  If money is syphoned out by Lai it would be an event of default and MSD would pull the plug and demand repayment, probably forcing the club into administration. Where does he benefit from that?

The parallel universe is yours, not mine.  I deal in company law and governance day in, day out, and have done for 40 years.  I’ve no idea what your background is but you very clearly aren’t familiar with any of this.

You are making a pretty big assumption yourself. Whilst of course MSD could put a number of caveats on their loan, there is absolutely no evidence (to my knowledge anyway, of course I could be wrong), that they have a clause preventing the club from loaning money out to any entities and I personally consider that is actually quite an unlikely clause. The company has physical assets including The Hawthorns as well as the training ground. These assets are listed as collateral in the loan agreement.

I don't imagine that we will buy another Chinese player and they will be somehow used as a way to funnel funds out of the club to Lai or his associates, but it also is not at all impossible for this to happen, as there it is highly improbable that there is any clause calling for an independent valuation of any players purchased.

I don't see the benefit of what seems like more personal attacks to get peoples points across here, when it seems most people are on the same page that Lai is terrible for the club and doesn't act in the interests of the club.

What I would like to see in general is a set of laws passed across all tiers of English Football around how clubs are run, because what is happening at our club right now is a train wreck, only salvaged by the incredible work of CC

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Carlos Corberan - New Head Coach
« on: December 30, 2022, 01:03:34 AM »
The biggest worry for sure is a Prem club coming for him, especially because whilst we have big club (or big enough) potential, it still wouldn't be great to be a manager of a club run by Lai. Moving to a club more likely to back him solidly in the transfer market and at a higher level, would obviously be very tempting.

I hope though (and really do want to believe), that he knows he is on a path to create something really special this season and holding on and seeing us promoted from where we were could well lead him to a top 1/2 appointment in the prem, as opposed to a relegation fighting team.

We only need to look at Howe and his time at Bournemouth to see that this can lead to a prime appointment such as he has currently. I hope he takes a leaf out of this example, gets us promoted and sticks around a season or 2.

Oh and I freaking love this guy, I can't believe how much he has reinvigorating my passion in this club

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Alex Palmer
« on: December 28, 2022, 11:29:31 PM »
Whilst we disagree on Carson, this one I absolutely agree with.
Clubs are still getting some decent looks at us, but he is proving really hard to beat and is prepared to leave the line when he sees an imminent danger, this has been super impressive. I really wouldn't swap him for any non-premier league keeper playing in England right at this moment.. Of course form can be temporary, and he has to back it up, week after week, month after month, but doing zero wrong right now

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Alex Palmer
« on: December 28, 2022, 07:39:49 PM »
Yeah I disagree, I thought Carson was really good for us for 2-3 seasons. The one that gave me nightmares was Kiely.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Brom seek loan from MSD Holdings
« on: December 28, 2022, 07:36:47 PM »
 This is such a ridiculous situation for a club once considered one of the most financially responsible clubs in English Football. I would rather we sold off the players we need to sell off at the end of the season if we don't get promoted and take no risks. It says both the hawthorns and our training ground are used as collateral against this loan.

If there was ever more proof needed that Lai needs to go, I don't know what it would be.

I hate that we took out this loan

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Alex Palmer
« on: December 28, 2022, 12:32:41 AM »
Looks to be pretty comfortably the best/most in form keeper in the Championship. I would go as far to say if he keeps up his form of making the great saves he has, it is hard to see us missing the play offs. We used to have really awesome keepers, such as Hoult, Foster and Carlson, but it has been a little while since I really trusted someone in goals. Palmer is obviously very early into his senior baggies career, but so far.. I have full trust in him.

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