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West Bromwich Albion FC Forums => West Bromwich Albion FC => Topic started by: albion59 on August 06, 2015, 09:21:08 AM
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according to radio wm Serge Gnabry will sign for the Albion on a season long loan from arsenal in the next 24 hours.
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back seat bench warmer,Much cheaper option than Phillips
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back seat bench warmer,Much cheaper option than Phillips
Fantastic young lad, in the mould of the OX according to Gunners fans and a Germany youth international.
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back seat bench warmer,Much cheaper option than Phillips
If we bought him he wouldnt be. Dont think would happen though
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I still think we will try for Phillips towards end of window even if we get Gnabry.
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back seat bench warmer,Much cheaper option than Phillips
Cheaper than Phillips but a better player. Wouldn't mind both.
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Cheaper than Phillips but a better player. Wouldn't mind both.
And who is to say we wont.
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Much cheaper option than Phillips
Perhaps you'd like to tell us how much he would be costing us in loan fees, wages and on-costs. Plus of course precisely how much Phillips would cost in total. That way we can judge whether you know what you are talking about.
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oh dear sorry i spoke, im telling you now he wont be a starter
Jimmy you are right i dont know what i am talking about half the time
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oh dear sorry i spoke, im telling you now he wont be a starter
We need another winger mate 2 ain't enough, Give the lad a chance.
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oh dear sorry i spoke, im telling you now he wont be a starter
Why Glyn?
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Why Glyn?
Honest opinion Kev i dont think he will be a starter more like an impact sub.Dont get me wrong i love this type of footballer and its what i want to see when i go to games.
We will see
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oh dear sorry i spoke, im telling you now he wont be a starter
Jimmy you are right i dont know what i am talking about half the time
I don't remember JimmyNicholls. Was he a starter or a cheap bench warmer? :D
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Can he play full back and lump the ball upfield? ;D
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I don't remember JimmyNicholls. Was he a starter or a cheap bench warmer? :D
ah ah sorry Johnny, i will go to spec savers
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Highly rated by Arsenal and a German under 21 international. Ill be very pleased and for me, a better signing that Sako who is too much like Sessegnon.
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Really chuffed if this comes off. A good young player who has been bought up the right way in footballing terms.
He will be hungry and eager to impress, more likely to come off the bench but will provide TP with an alternative.
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If Gnabry is signed on loan, I'm starting to think we could be more a Pulis at palace side than a Pulis at stoke side next season.
Which will be a marked improvement over last seasons drivel (effective drivel, I accept)
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according to radio wm Serge Gnabry will sign for the Albion on a season long loan from arsenal in the next 24 hours.
According to Metro He's already signed, but since it's Metro, I want to see a picture of him holding the shirt.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/06/west-brom-complete-the-signing-of-arsenal-starlet-serge-gnabry-5329575/?
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Don't Under 21 players automatically have a 24 hour recall option for their owning club?
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According to Metro He's already signed, but since it's Metro, I want to see a picture of him holding the shirt.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/06/west-brom-complete-the-signing-of-arsenal-starlet-serge-gnabry-5329575/?
it was breaking news on wm about 9am they seemed pretty confident he will sign, BUT we will have to wait and see, just in case this one gets messed up aswell!!!
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This guy is absolute class. Would probably already be very much in Arsenals first team picture if he hadn't of missed all of last year with injury.
Still young so don't expect him to start 38 games for us but coming off the bench with 30 mins to go and starting around 20 games he could still have a major impact for us, maybe not as directly as Lukaku in terms of goals but in terms of ability I don't think he is to far away where Lukaku was when he was with us. No way we could ever attract a player like this permanently and he's twice the player of any of Mcmanaman, McClean, Phillips, Sako etc.
Drawback is we will in need to replace him again in 12 months time but I'm sure we would all have taken Lukaku again in hindsight. If we do sign him another winger would be nice (I still think Phillips will end up signing in the last week of the window) but Gnabry, McClean, Mcmanaman as out and out wingers with Brunt as another wide player rather than winger, plus Morrison, Gardner and Sess if he stays can also all play wide (although I dont think any of them are as effective there) gives us plenty of options and certainly means the wings couldn't be considered a big weakness any more.
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Perhaps you'd like to tell us how much he would be costing us in loan fees, wages and on-costs. Plus of course precisely how much Phillips would cost in total. That way we can judge whether you know what you are talking about.
Its fairly safe to say he won't be costing the £7m+ phillips will.
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Steve Madeley @smadeley_star
Back at my desk after two and a half weeks off, & Albion are set to sign Serge Gnabry on loan from Arsenal today. #wba #wbafc
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Its fairly safe to say he won't be costing the £7m+ phillips will.
You are probably right about that but bear in mind that a £7m fee would buy him for (say) a 3 year period. The loan fee for Gnabry would be just to cover the period of the loan, the relative annual costs may well be more comparable.
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If Gnabry is signed on loan, I'm starting to think we could be more a Pulis at palace side than a Pulis at stoke side next season.
Which will be a marked improvement over last seasons drivel (effective drivel, I accept)
I really hope so too. I'm very surprised that Wenger would even consider sending one of his player to play in a Pulis side.
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I wonder if this is why we cooled are interest in Sako. This guy is head and shoulders above the dingle.
I would assume the loan fee would be a couple of million and we pay 1/2 of his reported £100k a month wage. - Just speculation based on previous loan details that have been release.
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While unsure of the size of any loan fee and wary of a January recall, I would be very pleased if were able to sign Serge Gnabry.
Very talented young man and flies down the wing like rectal waste off a shovel.
8).
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back seat bench warmer,Much cheaper option than Phillips
Don't agree with him being a bench warmer, Wenger wouldn't send him to us to sit on the bench.
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Don't agree with him being a bench warmer, Wenger wouldn't send him to us to sit on the bench.
I agree you loan young players out , to get playing time that's the point of it.
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Given that Gnarby is a right winger (although he can play on either wing) and Phillips is also a right winger I think signing Gnarby would logically end our interest in Phillips.
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A player like Gnabry isn't going to sit on the bench, it will be the same situation as Wisdom.
A good player,maybe, but i would sooner sign our own players than keep loaning ones to play ahead of our blokes.
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Given that Gnarby is a right winger (although he can play on either wing) and Phillips is also a right winger I think signing Gnarby would logically end our interest in Phillips.
Not according to E&S.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/06/serge-gnabry-set-to-sign-for-albion-today/
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If it's just until January and no further it seems quite shortsighted. I hope we have the option to extend it.
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If it's just until January and no further it seems quite shortsighted. I hope we have the option to extend it.
the original reports have it as a loan till January with an option to extend till end of season.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3186721/Arsenal-kid-Serge-Gnabry-join-West-Brom-loan.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
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Can you even do half season loans in the premier league?
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Jack Wilshere out for another long stretch, could this impact on this deal going through??
I think Arsenal have enough CMF to not need to use a mis-placed WMF, thoughts??
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Can you even do half season loans in the premier league?
Yes you can - remember Sturridge going to Bolton for half a season. I think it will be Wenger who will be stating half a season to see how much we end up using him.
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From what I've seen of the lad he looks a very good prospect, quick, tricky and direct.
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Hope he doesn't go all Jay Simpson on us :o
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Hope he doesn't go all Jay Simpson on us :o
Ohh Cack, forgot about him! :(
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Hope he doesn't go all Jay Simpson on us :o
Style wise, he reminds me more of a young Jerome Thomas.
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He's no Jay Simpson. He had one decent cup game I think and you could tell he was poor the first time he played for us. This lad is in a different league from the few times I've seen him play. I appreciate where you're coming from though :)
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Pulis sees Phillips as another striker option too, so we'll still go in for him regardless of signing Gnabry.
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If I remember correctly didn't Gnabry make his debut against us in the league cup a few years back? It was a night game and we lost on penalties. I'm not sure if he played though.
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If I remember correctly didn't Gnabry make his debut against us in the league cup a few years back? It was a night game and we lost on penalties. I'm not sure if he played though.
I think he did and scored one of those pens too.
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I think he did and scored one of those pens too.
He was the only Arsenal player that missed :D.. omen.
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He was the only Arsenal player that missed :D.. omen.
Fading memory ;D , so where was he last season then ?
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Season long loan?If TP can pull this off an another forward option would be a wonderful window to me.Gnabry is a wonderful player better than the names we have been linked with all summer.
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Looks like he won't be playing Monday unless we can rap it up tonight or in the morning before 12.
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Fading memory ;D , so where was he last season then ?
Picked up an injury in the Champions League which ruled him out for most of the season.
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Steve Madeleys tweet from a couple of hours ago
Gnabry deal still on course. Medical is done and loose ends being tied up, but confirmation tonight is unlikely now. #wba #wbafc
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Looks like he won't be playing Monday unless we can rap it up tonight or in the morning before 12.
The suggestion from the press is that there is just a bit of i dotting and t crossing to go so I suspect we are aiming to get it done by midday.
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Hopefully this will come off. TP seems to be sorting the wingers out, been crying out for natural width.
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Looks like he won't be playing Monday unless we can rap it up tonight or in the morning before 12.
Can be done later then that for Monday evening matches
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Hopefully this will come off. TP seems to be sorting the wingers out, been crying out for natural width.
Rather different from last season!
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Hopefully this will come off. TP seems to be sorting the wingers out, been crying out for natural width.
...and talent. Gnabry would be very welcome indeed.
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Can be done later then that for Monday evening matches
it can't it applies to all round 1 games from fri to mon
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it can't it applies to all round 1 games from fri to mon
I'm sure it can be done later.
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I'm sure it can be done later.
That wouldn't be very fair really.
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It cant be done after midday Friday for the 1st round of matches regardless of Monday KO.
It will be announced before 10 in the morning though.
Be on the bench at best on Monday though anyway.
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It cant be done after midday Friday for the 1st round of matches regardless of Monday KO.
It will be announced before 10 in the morning though.
Be on the bench at best on Monday though anyway.
Whatever, he's the real deal this lad! Gnabry this year, Gardner out wide last year !
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Whatever, he's the real deal this lad! Gnabry this year, Gardner out wide last year !
You'll see as much of Gardner wide right as you will Gnabry in the coming season unfortunately.
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You'll see as much of Gardner wide right as you will Gnabry in the coming season unfortunately.
On what basis do you say that?
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Has to be done by midday to play on Monday!
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All depends on his willingness to work.
If hes determined to work hard and track back he will get game time as he has quality going forward.
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Has to be done by midday to play on Monday!
I can't imagine Pulis would put him straight in the starting line-up anyway
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I can't imagine Pulis would put him straight in the starting line-up anyway
Might be a good option from the bench but as long as he's ready for Watford no harm done really.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/33590090 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/33590090)
confirmed at Arsenal's news conference
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/33590090 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/33590090)
confirmed at Arsenal's news conference
Excellent news, thanks for that!
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Excellent.
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Welcome now lets see you Serge down the flanks
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I really do think that this signing is being under appreciated at the moment. This guy could potentially be the difference between 14th and 8th/9th next season. Real quality winger who can beat a man 1 on 1 but so much more than your typical speedster/1 trick pony, he's got a real football brain on him and could play anywhere along the front line.
Out injured all of last season so might take a few games to get up to speed but of all our business so far this is the one I'm really excited about
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The 20-year-old has returned to full fitness after missing most of last season due to injury and Wenger is keen for the youngster to gain regular first-team action.
talkSPORT revealed on Thursday that the Baggies were close to concluding a deal for the German.
And Wenger admitted on Friday, ahead of his side's Premier League opener against West Ham: "He is going to West Brom. I think he had the medical on Thursday, we will confirm it today,"
Gnabry will become Albion's fourth summer signing, following Rickie Lambert, James McClean and James Chester in moving to the Hawthorns.
Read more at http://talksport.com/football/arsene-wenger-confirms-arsenal-youngster-serge-gnabry-joining-west-brom-loan-150807161840#zQ3wQSoMKZdMqJoR.99
Great signing that is. A real star in the making from what I've seen of him
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I'm not sure about a loan for 'young stars'. It's counter-productive. We have never replaced Lukaku.
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This is a great move. Developing our own young stars is a great idea, but to compliment that you need to use the loans for this sort of thing - as buying a young star from someone else is very risky business.
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I'm not sure about a loan for 'young stars'. It's counter-productive. We have never replaced Lukaku.
Whilst I take your point, it's fairly academic. Even if we were in a position to buy rather than borrow a player like Gnabry, if he's outstanding then he would inevitably get sold to a bigger club anyway, even after one year. Yes, we could make a profit, but only by outlaying the purchase price in the first place.
For a club our size, having players like this for a year is better than not having them at all. Lukaku was never "ours" and we always knew that.
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I'm not sure about a loan for 'young stars'. It's counter-productive. We have never replaced Lukaku.
That's something that concerned me at the time the Lukaku hang over and the expectation that we had the next few seasons to emulate the same success. But I figured I would rather have one great season in three rather than three mediocre one's.
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I will nail my colours to the mast, I think Gnabry will be a great addition, (while we have him.)
Loans are part of the modern game, so we have to use them to our advantage, so I have no qualms about taking a loan player.
If I have a concern about bringing Gnabry in, it is about, how does the bringing in of a 20 year old reflect upon our academy players who are struggling to establish a place in the first team squad? Is it a demotivator? Is it TP reflecting that the quality isn't there with our home grown kids?
Or is it just we don't have any good young wide players coming through?
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Our best signing of the summer for me. This kid is something special. Delighted!
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Gnabry is potentially the signing of the summer he has both talent and a strong work ethic and that often distinguishes the great from the merely good. Obviously there are echoes of the Lukkau deal which many cite as one of the reasons we unravelled the season after finishing 8th .
Plainly Lukkau left a gap in our squad but the problem was compounded by how tactically dependent Clarke was on him in the second half of the season and by the muddle headed approach to the following summer's recruitment and the tactical morass that lead us into which in truth we are only just recovering from.
However brilliant or otherwise that Gnabry proves to be Pulis will not be tactically dependent on him in the way Clarke was with Lukkau, Pulis simply does not work that way. Shape and organisation are paramount the contribution of the individual is merely the icing on the top.
With regard to being a slap in the face to our own youngsters I guess if we had a 20 year old on the verge of a break through season it would be but Lepko who I think is our big hope in the position is probably at least a season of development away from being in that position.
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I'm not sure about a loan for 'young stars'. It's counter-productive. We have never replaced Lukaku.
Do you regret Lukaku coming on loan?
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I will nail my colours to the mast, I think Gnabry will be a great addition, (while we have him.)
Loans are part of the modern game, so we have to use them to our advantage, so I have no qualms about taking a loan player.
If I have a concern about bringing Gnabry in, it is about, how does the bringing in of a 20 year old reflect upon our academy players who are struggling to establish a place in the first team squad? Is it a demotivator? Is it TP reflecting that the quality isn't there with our home grown kids?
Or is it just we don't have any good young wide players coming through?
It could work as a bit of a 'kick up the backside' - academy kids can see the level they need to get to if they want to play first team!
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Any manager has to balance short term success against long term stability. Obviously you want to have amazing players tied down on five year contracts, but that's not always possible.
Loans represent a good way for us to get some quality we might not be able to secure permanently (Lukaku being one example), but as pointed out, if you don't plan for the future you end up without a suitable replacement and have to repeat the search again.
I'm happy Gnabry is coming in. Even if it's just for half a season so we can see what is happening with Phillips in January. I don't know much about him but he seems like a very good player from what I've heard. But there are valid concerns that if he does well and isn't replaced you end up one season on but in the same position
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Do you regret Lukaku coming on loan?
I know you're not asking me, but I loved Rom and I will always regard him fondly, it's like managing to convince a solid 9/10 to date you, it will end, of course it will and thus you'll be spoilt, nothing will compare favourably in the coming years, but that doesn't mean you regret it happening.
That's a bit of a Ian Holloway answer, but convays it well i feel.
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Is it official that hes signed? I know Wenger mentioned it in his pres conference this morning but nothing from the club as yet?
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Hope this kid stays past Xmas, time to settle in and adjust to life here and I think he will be a really good addition. Appreciate the loan comments but we benefitted from Rom and so did he by coming here.
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Is it official that hes signed? I know Wenger mentioned it in his pres conference this morning but nothing from the club as yet?
No it isn't official on our end. When it becomes official the thread will be moved into the main board. We either need the Official Twitter or Official Site to confirm it :)
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Perhaps were waiting to announce this one with rondon? Wishful thinking ;)
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No it isn't official on our end. When it becomes official the thread will be moved into the main board. We either need the Official Twitter or Official Site to confirm it :)
i am sure you have the permission of Mr ITK :)
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Hope this kid stays past Xmas, time to settle in and adjust to life here and I think he will be a really good addition. Appreciate the loan comments but we benefitted from Rom and so did he by coming here.
Signed for the season apparently.
Bottom of the story about the other chap Rondon as posted by Joust.
"Meanwhile, Gnabry will join the Baggies for the rest of the season in a deal that was confirmed by Gunners boss Arsene Wenger this morning but the 20-year-old will not be available for Monday’s season opener at home to Manchester City".
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/albion-poised-to-sign-salomon-rondon-for-record-15m/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/albion-poised-to-sign-salomon-rondon-for-record-15m/)
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Done deal holding shirt up pictures just released now.
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West Bromwich Albion â€@WBAFCofficial 4m4 minutes ago
NEW SIGNING: Albion are delighted to announce the season-long loan signing of @SergeGnabry from @Arsenal #WBA #Gnabry
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http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-west-brom-loan-serge-gnabry-arsenal-2597009.aspx
Gnabry becomes fourth summer signing at The Hawthorns
ALBION have completed the season-long loan signing of winger Serge Gnabry from Arsenal.
The talented 20-year-old underwent a medical at the Club’s training ground earlier this week and has signed a deal until the end of the Barclays Premier League campaign.
Gnabry will wear No.31 and is the fourth summer signing at The Hawthorns after James McClean, James Chester and Rickie Lambert.
Baggies supporters can still get their hands on tickets for Albion’s season opener at home to Manchester City on Monday, click here.
“I’m very delighted by the move,†said Gnabry, who is a Germany Under-21 international.
“I see the opportunity that I can play, it’s a good club and I’ve heard good things.
“I’m very happy that I’ve signed here. I’ve got good impressions and I feel it’s a good environment for me to play and also develop as a player.â€
Head Coach Tony Pulis added: “We’re delighted to add Serge to our options.
“He is a top player and he will bring us quality in certain areas of the pitch.â€
Gnabry, born in Stuttgart, followed a path in football despite also being a talented sprinter as a youngster.
The versatile winger joined Arsenal in 2011 after impressing for VfB Stuttgart.
Gnabry made his first-team debut for the Gunners in a League Cup triumph over Coventry City in 2012 and has since gone on to gain Premier League, Champions League and FA Cup experience, signing a new long-term contract with the London club in 2013.
In all, he has played 19 times for Arsenal, scoring once – that goal coming in a Premier League victory at Swansea City in 2013.
Gnabry also featured for Germany in this summer’s UEFA European Under-21 Championships.
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Welcome to the Baggies Serge, great to have you here,
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Superb signing
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Yes! Great signing, but did it go through officially in time for Monday?
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It'll be strange to see us with some very, very quick wingers next season
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when was the last time we operated with 2 wingers?
Willie / Peter Barnes / Laurie period I imagine.
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On the official site.
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Is he our first German? I don't remember any others.
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Is he our first German? I don't remember any others.
We had Uwe Rosler on loan a few years back.
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We had Uwe Rosler on loan a few years back.
good Lord yes!! For some reason I thought he was Austrian, derp ???
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Welcome to the Albion Serge :D
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lets hope we see a serge in attacks
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Welcome to the club Serge
really looking forward to seeing him play for us
exciting player
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Welcome to the baggies Mr gnarby! I hope you do bloody well for us!
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can he play monday
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Not sure but I think we missed the time and not sure he match fit! ( I'm sure I read this somewhere) be good if we can use him as a sub though!
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can he play monday
In the middle of the official announcement about Gnabry signing it says:
"Baggies supporters can still get their hands on tickets for Albion’s season opener at home to Manchester City on Monday"
which implies that he might be available to play, although I suspect he's not and the inclusion of the above in the article is a tad disingenuous!
I'm please that we now have several natural attacking wingers, as it hopefully means we'll be more adventurous this season. However, I still have a nightmare scenario in my head that we'll start with central midfielders out wide for many games, with the wingers on the bench, ready to appear if necessary during the last 20 minutes!
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Pretty sure he had to be signed by 12:00 Friday. I believe it went through a couple of hours late.
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Pretty sure he had to be signed by 12:00 Friday. I believe it went through a couple of hours late.
TP obviously was not too concerned, will start as a sub and have to break into the team.
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I'm looking forward to seeing him play for us. Highly rated by those at Arsenal, a German Under 21 international and fast, powerful and skillful.
A better signing than Sako for me.
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Great signing, young, eager to please & hungry for the big game!
Cant be bad!
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I'm looking forward to seeing him play for us. Highly rated by those at Arsenal, a German Under 21 international and fast, powerful and skillful.
A better signing than Sako for me.
A better signing that any of the wide players we have been linked with for me and we only paid a loan fee! :)
Regardless of who else we sign this is the signing of the summer for me.
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Serge is a potentially a brilliant player. Impressed throughout the youth tournaments along with Bellerin (who you all know now!) You have got yourselves a gem lads. 13/14 was his breakout season for us. Shame a season long injury in 14/15 stopped his progress. I am looking forward to seeing him in action every week on Sky/MoTD though as he could be an Arsenal first team regular in a few season's time.
I hope you don't mind me saying but he is already better than the wingers you have got and when he is match fit should be starting every game, you all will love him at the Hawthorns!
Lastly for Fantasy football purposes he is costs 5.0 on it. Bargain! Hope he starts every game haha. ;)
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Serge is a potentially a brilliant player. Impressed throughout the youth tournaments along with Bellerin (who you all know now!) You have got yourselves a gem lads. 13/14 was his breakout season for us. Shame a season long injury in 14/15 stopped his progress. I am looking forward to seeing him in action every week on Sky/MoTD though as he could be an Arsenal first team regular in a few season's time.
I hope you don't mind me saying but he is already better than the wingers you have got and when he is match fit should be starting every game, you all will love him at the Hawthorns!
Lastly for Fantasy football purposes he is costs 5.0 on it. Bargain! Hope he starts every game haha. ;)
Thanks for your post Gunners, I'm sure all Baggies fans are looking forward to seeing him in our team and performing well.
There is lots of speculation about our own "jewel in the crown" Saido Berahino with your arch rivals showing interest, is he a player Wenger would be interested in do you think? Many Albion fans including me want to keep him, but if he did leave I think he would suite Arsenals style of football, thoughts.
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Thanks for taking the trouble to post, Gunners. Is Gnabry comfortable on either wing and is he exclusively regarded as being a winger? If not, where else would you say he could do a good job for us?
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cheers for the welcome lads. Now onto your questions.
Thanks for taking the trouble to post, Gunners. Is Gnabry comfortable on either wing and is he exclusively regarded as being a winger? If not, where else would you say he could do a good job for us?
He can play either wing plus can play as the #10 and if needed as a striker. Although with you already having Berahino and spending big money on Lambert and Rondon (another great buy from you btw) I can't see him there. You don't play with a #10 either do you? So would imagine you would use Serge as a winger.
As I said in my last post really looking forward to him playing week in week out (hopefully!) for a good standard PL team. Can just imagine Serge crossing balls for Berahino/Rondon/Lambert to score from and even scoring himself.
Thanks for your post Gunners, I'm sure all Baggies fans are looking forward to seeing him in our team and performing well.
There is lots of speculation about our own "jewel in the crown" Saido Berahino with your arch rivals showing interest, is he a player Wenger would be interested in do you think? Many Albion fans including me want to keep him, but if he did leave I think he would suite Arsenals style of football, thoughts.
Berahino looks to be a good striker with massive potential was impressed with him on Monday night, that offiside goal was a brilliant finish but being honest if we sign a striker the fans and Wenger want a Giroud improvement if you don't already know Benzema has been heavily linked and he would be the calibre of striker we would want. Giroud may have his critics but he suits our play very well.
I would have taken Saido as rotation for Giroud but since we just paid 16m for Welbeck last year I can't see it happening. Hope you guys keep him over Spurs getting him.
Since I am here what was your thoughts on your last Arsenal loanee Carlos Vela? He had massive potential for Arsenal but ultimately just wasn't suited to the PL. Doing great in Spain though.
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good response, thanks for that.
Vela was quality, we really enjoyed having him here,
Cannot say the same about another one of yours Jay Simpson though
Hope Gnabry is in the class of Vela not Simpson :-)
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I know he can play as an advanced midfielder anyone think he may replace Morrison in a five man midfield?
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I'm looking forward to seeing him play - really excited about what he may bring to the side.
I will break down and cry however if Craig Gardner starts above him on the wing though
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I'm looking forward to seeing him play - really excited about what he may bring to the side.
I will break down and cry however if Craig Gardner starts above him on the wing though
I'll get the tissues ready then shall I? Can't see him being more than an impact sub under TP
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I'll get the tissues ready then shall I? Can't see him being more than an impact sub under TP
He could have been that at Arsenal, I'm sure TP told Wenger he would get first team football here or he would have gone elsewhere.
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cheers for the welcome lads. Now onto your questions.
He can play either wing plus can play as the #10 and if needed as a striker. Although with you already having Berahino and spending big money on Lambert and Rondon (another great buy from you btw) I can't see him there. You don't play with a #10 either do you? So would imagine you would use Serge as a winger.
As I said in my last post really looking forward to him playing week in week out (hopefully!) for a good standard PL team. Can just imagine Serge crossing balls for Berahino/Rondon/Lambert to score from and even scoring himself.
Berahino looks to be a good striker with massive potential was impressed with him on Monday night, that offiside goal was a brilliant finish but being honest if we sign a striker the fans and Wenger want a Giroud improvement if you don't already know Benzema has been heavily linked and he would be the calibre of striker we would want. Giroud may have his critics but he suits our play very well.
I would have taken Saido as rotation for Giroud but since we just paid 16m for Welbeck last year I can't see it happening. Hope you guys keep him over Spurs getting him.
Since I am here what was your thoughts on your last Arsenal loanee Carlos Vela? He had massive potential for Arsenal but ultimately just wasn't suited to the PL. Doing great in Spain though.
I thought Vela was class.
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Vela was a good loan signing for us and scored a cracking goal late on against one of our arch rivals Wolves to earn us a point . After that he was a favourite with most fans I'd say.
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Vela was a good loan signing for us and scored a cracking goal late on against one of our arch rivals Wolves to earn us a point . After that he was a favourite with most fans I'd say.
My memory might be failing but did you not mean Stoke at their place.
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My memory might be failing but did you not mean Stoke at their place.
No mate, last minute equaliser in a 1-1 home draw against the dingles
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No mate, last minute equaliser in a 1-1 home draw against the dingles
Ok I thought that was Morrison - my mistake !
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He did it against both, wolves at home and Stoke away.
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Has he been injured during pre-season? Or perhaps their training methods aren't very good at Arsenal (sarcasm)?
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Has he been injured during pre-season? Or perhaps their training methods aren't very good at Arsenal (sarcasm)?
He was out injured for most of last season. It just highlights why you should do business early. We now have an unfit player not ready for selection. He will be another Sinclair I reckon.
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He was out injured for most of last season.
I'm aware of that, but I presume he's had a full pre-season this year? If so, you'd have thought that would mean he's fit enough for the bench at least?
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I think I read he was working on his fitness levels with our staff before the game and was doubtful! Maybe he not Pulis fit just yet?
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Can loanees play inthe U21's? If so why on earth hasn't Gnabry played this afternoon?
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Can loanees play inthe U21's? If so why on earth hasn't Gnabry played this afternoon?
Because Pocognoli played left back.
:P ;).
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Can loanees play inthe U21's? If so why on earth hasn't Gnabry played this afternoon?
Yes they can play. I assume the club know what they're doing.
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Assume he'll play in the carling cup next week.
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The last bit of excitement left I fear as long as he gets played.
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The last bit of excitement left I fear as long as he gets played.
As long as, yes. Will we see him in away games? Will he be allowed to play or will he be just another fullback?
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I get the feeling watching him is going to be a mixture of frustration, excitement, amazement and more frustration.
His bit of skill to leave Fabregas for dead was brilliant only for him to give the ball away ;D
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I get the feeling watching him is going to be a mixture of frustration, excitement, amazement and more frustration.
His bit of skill to leave Fabregas for dead was brilliant only for him to give the ball away ;D
Only got 15 mins, but we were poorer for the changes I thought, hopefully plays the 90 on Tuesday.
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Only got 15 mins, but we were poorer for the changes I thought, hopefully plays the 90 on Tuesday.
I agree with you weirdly.
Gardner and Gnabry seemed to take the stuffing out the game.
Got to give Chelsea some credit though - the way they marshaled that last ten minute period was very good.
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Given that he was injured most of last season, he was probably a bit over-keen to impress. Should be good for him to get a good run-out on Tuesday.
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Given that he was injured most of last season, he was probably a bit over-keen to impress. Should be good for him to get a good run-out on Tuesday.
Yes I think at times he was over-eager and trying too hard, but in between showed some glimpses of potential
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Yes I think at times he was over-eager and trying too hard, but in between showed some glimpses of potential
Spot on, the lad is a great prospect with a bright future.
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Thought every one of our substitutions weakened Albion. We ended up with no width and lumping it which suited Chelsea and helped them see out the game.
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Thought every one of our substitutions weakened Albion. We ended up with no width and lumping it which suited Chelsea and helped them see out the game.
Agree with that. I could kind of understand Lambert for McLean but Gnabry for McManaman and Gardner for Morrison offered nothing. Can't say I'm impressed with Pulis' use of substitutions.
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Following the failure to add another attaching threat yesterday, I hope TP invests a bit of time in Gnabry. He hasn't played much football in the past year so may need some games to get to his best. Personally I think he's shown that he can have an impact for us whether out wide or through the middle.
The alternative is to freeze him out so he never a full chance to show what he can do.
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Following the failure to add another attaching threat yesterday, I hope TP invests a bit of time in Gnabry. He hasn't played much football in the past year so may need some games to get to his best. Personally I think he's shown that he can have an impact for us whether out wide or through the middle.
The alternative is to freeze him out so he never a full chance to show what he can do.
You would think if TP has total control over signings, then he wants Gnabry and sees a place for him in the squad
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Seems very raw but could just be that 'x' factor we need going forward with his pace once he settles in.................lets hope so anyhow !
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Think Gnabry will have to wait his turn McManaman has put himself ahead in the pecking order and we know that for the tough games Gardner is an option. Think he'll turn into a key player given time.
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Think Gnabry will have to wait his turn McManaman has put himself ahead in the pecking order and we know that for the tough games Gardner is an option. Think he'll turn into a key player given time.
I hope so mate. To me it's clear Gnabry talentwise is heads and shoulders above the likes of Gardner and McClean, but will Pulis play him? That is the question.
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Perhaps Pulis will use him as a #10 with McClean and McManaman providing the width.
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Perhaps Pulis will use him as a #10 with McClean and McManaman providing the width.
I was thinking that same aswell.
I would use him on the wing instead of McClean
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I was thinking that same aswell.
I would use him on the wing instead of McClean
I think I would start with McClean on the wing then if he was having an ineffectual game move Gnabry onto the wing and Morrison into the #10 role.
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He seemed to play more on the left against Port Vale so more of a question of him OR McLean maybe rather than McManaman. Hopefully more positivity at home can see Gnabry start on the left and McManaman on the right.
Agreed Gardner and McLean are more likely to be starting options for away games.
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Could have been an X factor signing - maybe coming off the bench in games like tonight?
However, it already seems clear he won't be trusted even when supposed trying to win home games like tonight so whats the point of this signing?
If bringing on Gardner for your striker is the answer to winning home games then what's the question ?
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The signing I was most excited about, really thought this guy was going to be a star for us.
1 month later I'd be surprised if we he starts more than 2/3 games for us all season with the odd 10 mins off the bench if we are chasing a game.
I can see us watching this guy in the PL for Arsenal in 3/4 years time and wondering how he couldn't get a game ahead of Craig Gardner.
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It can't be long before he starts to get game surely? Unfortunately he might not be working hard enough to get into a Pulis side but should be considered for the 1 role if that's the case. Surely out wide he'd be a marked improvement though.
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Maybe bringing him to the Hawthorns, had more to do with PR, that football. I wonder if he was ever going to be part of our first team set up.
Yet again the summer transfer period was disgraceful. I feel we are all taken for fools.
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Let him go in January, horrible to see a talented footballer rot, Southampton were very keen last year before he got injured, let him go to a club that will use him properly.
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First half at naarwich he was poor and rightly got subbed.
Reputation is not everything.
I accept that 45mins is not enough time to make your mark, but it does not stop you working your ass off as a less talented McLean has!
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Maybe bringing him to the Hawthorns, had more to do with PR, that football. I wonder if he was ever going to be part of our first team set up.
Yet again the summer transfer period was disgraceful. I feel we are all taken for fools.
YES it was the usual rubbish on the transfer period, linked with everybody and got nothing special apart from Evans. How the hell did we buy Lambert, what a load of rubbish. Chester not that much better either. Rondon just another Brown. Were the hell do they get these from? were are the goals coming from when our little boy leaves. AS for Gnarbry, I think he will go back to Arsenal in January { don,t blame him }
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Give him game time, otherwise we'll never really be any the wiser.
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Give him game time, otherwise we'll never really be any the wiser.
can we afford to though, when we have a squad riddled with non-players, has beens and simply not good enoughs?
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can we afford to though, when we have a squad riddled with non-players, has beens and simply not good enoughs?
I think the second part of your post has answered the question you posed in the first part.
Lots of games left, give it a go.
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Rondon Berahino
Manaman Morrison Gnabry
Fletcher Yacob
Brunt Gmac Dawson
Maybe?
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No point him in him being here at present. Yes he adds something we don't have but as we don't use him we still don't have it anyway.
Gnabry, and any other loan signing need to be able to come in to the side from day 1 and make an instant impact. Otherwise they are just taking a space on the bench that could be taken by one of our own players such a Leko, Nabi, Roberts or even Sessegnon.
Seriously has any club been anywhere near as bad as we have in the loan market over the past decade? Lukaku aside there's only really Fortune I can think of who has come even close to being a success.
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YES it was the usual rubbish on the transfer period, linked with everybody and got nothing special apart from Evans. How the hell did we buy Lambert, what a load of rubbish. Chester not that much better either. Rondon just another Brown. Were the hell do they get these from? were are the goals coming from when our little boy leaves. AS for Gnarbry, I think he will go back to Arsenal in January { don,t blame him }
The significant point of those above signings's is that Pulis was instrumental in the recruitment process'. Had Irvine ,Clarke , Burton or indeed Garlick presided over these poor signing's they would have been hung out to dry.
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The significant point of those above signings's is that Pulis was instrumental in the recruitment process'. Had Irvine ,Clarke , Burton or indeed Garlick presided over these poor signing's they would have been hung out to dry.
I may be wrong, but don't we have to sign loan players for the whole season?
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I may be wrong, but don't we have to sign loan players for the whole season?
A lot of these deals have a January recall option.....I would think Arsenal would want him to get more game time than he's getting. Not quite sure of the terms of this loan though.
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The second most talented player we have after Berahino (arguably a more talented footballer to be fair)
Laughable
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If I was Gnabry I'd want to get back to Arsenal as soon as possible while he has still got a bit of flair and talent that hasn't been coached and brainwashed out of him. I feel desperately sorry for the lad.
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I think that he will go back to Arsenal in January he is wasted with us.
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Rumour has it that he might be a bit decent, not that we will ever find out. :(
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Rumour has it that he might be a bit decent, not that we will ever find out. :(
As you say, we'll never find out. He'll never get ahead of Gardner as a sub let alone start!
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Apart from anything else this move means our chances of securing another highly sought after promising youngster from a big club ala Lukaku are practically zero after our use of Gnabry
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The farcical comparison to Lukaku has not helped. Gnabry has not shown anything in his albeit limited opportunities.
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The farcical comparison to Lukaku has not helped. Gnabry has not shown anything in his albeit limited opportunities.
Can you show me where I've compared him to Lukaku in any way?
My point is that our treatment of a young player from a big club has been very poor. If you were Chelsea/Utd/Liverpool/City and saw how we had used Gnabry (coupled with our 'style') would you send a young player such as Lukaku to us at the moment?
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The farcical comparison to Lukaku has not helped. Gnabry has not shown anything in his albeit limited opportunities.
Why was that a farcical comparison? Lukaku was from Chelsea, Gnabry from Arsenal, two clubs of very similar standing and standard. I think it is a perfectly fair and accurate comparison of a loan deal.
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Seems like another waste of a loan to me. Would imagine Wenger won't be happy, a repeat of another loan to us a few seasons ago that ended up getting little opportunity.
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Seems like another waste of a loan to me. Would imagine Wenger won't be happy, a repeat of another loan to us a few seasons ago that ended up getting little opportunity.
Indeed. Rusty or not the real 'problem' with Gnabry is that he simply is not a Pulisball player and never will be.
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Can you show me where I've compared him to Lukaku in any way?
My point is that our treatment of a young player from a big club has been very poor. If you were Chelsea/Utd/Liverpool/City and saw how we had used Gnabry (coupled with our 'style') would you send a young player such as Lukaku to us at the moment?
I didn't say YOU had, but it was mooted a few times when he signed he would be as important as Rom was.
Why was that a farcical comparison? Lukaku was from Chelsea, Gnabry from Arsenal, two clubs of very similar standing and standard. I think it is a perfectly fair and accurate comparison of a loan deal.
I know you like being pedantic, it is farcical with regards to the 2 players ability, transfer fees and standing in the game. Lukaku was always going to be a top European striker. Gnabry isn't on the same planet as Lukaku was when he signed.
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Why was that a farcical comparison? Lukaku was from Chelsea, Gnabry from Arsenal, two clubs of very similar standing and standard. I think it is a perfectly fair and accurate comparison of a loan deal.
Miles apart , Lukaku was a first team regular at Anderlecht and had played in Europe long before he joined Chelsea in fact he was top scorer in the league if I remember right.
Gnabry has only played about 10 times for Arsenal (who are famous for great kids going to be top stars that don't quite hit that level ...,Eduardo , Vela , Bedntner , Larsson) granted he lost a year injured but no way is he near Lukaku .....thats twice this week I've agreed with Jacko :o
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Indeed. Rusty or not the real 'problem' with Gnabry is that he simply is not a Pulisball player and never will be.
So why did we take him then ?
PS - don't give a t8sss what Wenger thinks !
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Miles apart , Lukaku was a first team regular at Anderlecht and had played in Europe long before he joined Chelsea in fact he was top scorer in the league if I remember right.
Gnabry has only played about 10 times for Arsenal (who are famous for great kids going to be top stars that don't quite hit that level ...,Eduardo , Vela , Bedntner , Larsson) granted he lost a year injured but no way is he near Lukaku .....thats twice this week I've agreed with Jacko :o
I wasn't comparing the qualities of Lukaku and Gnabry in my post, I was referring to the original post from Astle1968 which I agreed with and was defending against Jacko's 'farcical' comment in as much as that Chelsea and Arsenal are clubs of similar standing and our misuse of Gnabry will severely damage our chances of negotiating any future loan deals with players from 'the big 5' clubs. That is where I was making the comparison between the two loan deals.
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So why did we take him then ?
PS - don't give a t8sss what Wenger thinks !
It is a weird choice isn't it. Considering Pulis is in charge of the signings
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What was the point in signing him?
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Maybe we thought he was better than he is and it turns out the odd Carling Cup performance does not make a decent Premier League winger.
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Maybe we thought he was better than he is and it turns out the odd Carling Cup performance does not make a decent Premier League winger.
Or maybe he is an Arsenal player who expects his team mates to be able to play a basic give and take, to have the mobility and game reading skills to move into better positions and a basic skill level good enough.
Or maybe he plays for a head coach who cares nothing for any of those abilities but simply relies on brutal mindless grinding to go for 0-0s, coupled with the odd set piece goal.
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Or maybe he is an Arsenal player who expects his team mates to be able to play a basic give and take, to have the mobility and game reading skills to move into better positions and a basic skill level good enough.
Or maybe he plays for a head coach who cares nothing for any of those abilities but simply relies on brutal mindless grinding to go for 0-0s, coupled with the odd set piece goal.
I think you're exactly right. I bet the poor lad though he was playing a different sport when he turned up at our training ground. It must be soul destroying for a talented player with a bit of flair to have to train like a defensive robot. It's certainly soul destroying watching it.
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Quality on show from the lad here:
http://dailycannon.com/2015/10/watch-gnabry-scores-peach-of-a-goal-for-germany/?
Too forward thinking for Pulis I guess
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Quality on show from the lad here:
http://dailycannon.com/2015/10/watch-gnabry-scores-peach-of-a-goal-for-germany/?
Too forward thinking for Pulis I guess
Nice goal. Here's one for you from the last Arsenal player we loaned.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AS2OLIdveO8
I suppose a good goal doesn't make a player PL quality though does it? No matter who your manager is.
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Quality on show from the lad here:
http://dailycannon.com/2015/10/watch-gnabry-scores-peach-of-a-goal-for-germany/?
Too forward thinking for Pulis I guess
I would agree, but surely he would have known that before we got him on loan.
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Nice goal. Here's one for you from the last Arsenal player we loaned.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AS2OLIdveO8
I suppose a good goal doesn't make a player PL quality though does it? No matter who your manager is.
But surely either...
A) He'a a raw but exciting talent who is capable of adding something we're badly missing at the moment but for whatever reason is not getting the game time he should be.
B) He's not good enough to be playing regular football in the PL at present.
Personally I'm of the opinion it's option A, but whichever way you break it down it's a huge f*ck up for a player who was supposed to have the attributes we lack more than any other in the squad. Considering Pulis supposedly has the main say/full control on transfers I don't see how he can be defended. The only mild positive to take is at least he hasn't wasted £8m on this flop.
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You've answered the question yourself. I would imagine Pulis took him onboard in the hope he could be coached to fit into our team. This obviously hasn't happened.
Whether people like it or not it's obvious players have to excel at particular areas of their game to get a look in under Pulis. This is a fact we signed up to when we brought him in and it's going to continue to be this way for as long as he stays here.
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You've answered the question yourself. I would imagine Pulis took him onboard in the hope he could be coached to fit into our team. This obviously hasn't happened.
Whether people like it or not it's obvious players have to excel at particular areas of their game to get a look in under Pulis. This is a fact we signed up to when we brought him in and it's going to continue to be this way for as long as he stays here.
You don't sign someone on a 9 month loan deal and hope you can coach them to fit in to a system. Any loan signing needs to come in make an immediate impact or it's an absolute waste.
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Quality on show from the lad here:
http://dailycannon.com/2015/10/watch-gnabry-scores-peach-of-a-goal-for-germany/?
Too forward thinking for Pulis I guess
He got close to the opponents penalty area. Can't have such nonsense.
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It seems obvious he is not going to get game time!. Total waste of a loan if you ask me.
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I called his current situation when I saw him against Port Vale.
Instead of sticking to formation, he was drifting about and trying to pick up the space so he could make things happen. It didn't happen for him that night though, possibly due to our team not being as dynamic as he's used to.
I knew then that he lacked the positional discipline... or was too technical a player... for Pulis, and said he wouldn't get a fair chance.
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Don't think we'd be having this early post mortem if his name was Steve Ganley. Very much reminiscent of the Varela and Blanco situations last season.
If he's good enough he'll force his way into the side if not ho hum it's only a loan deal.
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Don't think we'd be having this early post mortem if his name was Steve Ganley. Very much reminiscent of the Varela and Blanco situations last season.
If he's good enough he'll force his way into the side if not ho hum it's only a loan deal.
When we show no attacking intent suring games he isnt going to get the chance to show what he can do.
I feel sorry for the bloke.
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You don't sign someone on a 9 month loan deal and hope you can coach them to fit in to a system. Any loan signing needs to come in make an immediate impact or it's an absolute waste.
I'd disagree on the first point, any player whether on loan or a permanent deal needs to be given time to learn in training to play how the manager expects them to especially as part of a formation. Nobody comes in and plays like a maverick especially under managers like Pulis.
I think Pulis has seen him in training and weighed up that the probable case is he is not disciplined enough to play in a Pulis team and also not good enough to be put in as a 'luxury' type of player.
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firstly at Norwich he was as bad as the rest and got subbed, however,
I would argue that as an opposition manager you can be pretty confident as to how TP will line his side up and you can therefore plan to attack our weaknesses. (which Pardew did to great effect)
So would it not be in TP's interests to mix it up a bit? If not from the kick off at the very least when making subs, we are all familiar with the term "impact sub" I hardly think we could describe TP as utilising impact players could we?
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Gnabry is a player that takes risks in possession and first instincts are attacking why would he get a game in a Pulis team? Sessegnon and MacManaman might also fall into that category and they aren't playing either. Will no doubt be set free from the Hawthorns Gulag in January to be replaced by a defensive minded workhorse, can't wait I'm almost dizzy with anticipation.
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I'd disagree on the first point, any player whether on loan or a permanent deal needs to be given time to learn in training to play how the manager expects them to especially as part of a formation. Nobody comes in and plays like a maverick especially under managers like Pulis.
I think Pulis has seen him in training and weighed up that the probable case is he is not disciplined enough to play in a Pulis team and also not good enough to be put in as a 'luxury' type of player.
Disagree on that.
If you're planning to move in to house and buy it then you might look at something that needed a big refurb but would take the time to fix it up knowing that's going to be your home for the next 5/10 years and you will enjoy the benefits down the line.
However if I was renting somewhere then I would need something that was liveable straight away, not some dump that I was going to spend 12 months improving before moving out just as it became suitable to live in.
Varela, Sessegnon, Blanco, Mcmanaman and now Gnabry. It's fine to look in to each one individually make excuses and some of them are valid (some more than others). But when we desperately need some sort of creativity the facts are that in one way or another he has either sold, frozen out, or massively underused every single creative player he has at his disposal it becomes clear to me the problem is almost certainly with Pulis rather than 5 completely different individuals.
Even if by some long stretch he was correct in shutting these players out all it show that he is either a very poor man manager, a very poor judge of what our squad needs or a very poor judge of a player in the transfer market.
Whichever way you look at it he's dropped a b*llock
Getting back to Gnabry I can see him going to someone like Swansea or Palace in January and having a pretty good spell.
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Disagree on that.
If you're planning to move in to house and buy it then you might look at something that needed a big refurb but would take the time to fix it up knowing that's going to be your home for the next 5/10 years and you will enjoy the benefits down the line.
However if I was renting somewhere then I would need something that was liveable straight away, not some dump that I was going to spend 12 months improving before moving out just as it became suitable to live in.
Varela, Sessegnon, Blanco, Mcmanaman and now Gnabry. It's fine to look in to each one individually make excuses and some of them are valid (some more than others). But when we desperately need some sort of creativity the facts are that in one way or another he has either sold, frozen out, or massively underused every single creative player he has at his disposal it becomes clear to me the problem is almost certainly with Pulis rather than 5 completely different individuals.
Even if by some long stretch he was correct in shutting these players out all it show that he is either a very poor man manager, a very poor judge of what our squad needs or a very poor judge of a player in the transfer market.
Whichever way you look at it he's dropped a b*llock
Getting back to Gnabry I can see him going to someone like Swansea or Palace in January and having a pretty good spell.
Good analogy. Short term loan players should be brought in ready to go, not be a work in progress.
Makes no sense taking 12 months to get him used to Pulisball, then send him back to Arsenal. Would probably take him 3 years to recover.... or is it like malaria, once you've had it you've got it for life! :o
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From what I've seen of him so far, he doesn't look good enough, but you could also say the same with Lambert and even Chester who have featured more regularly - but it's still too early to make a final judgement.
I remember against Chelsea for instance, it was 3-2 and James McLean was having a good game, he was subbed off for Gnabry who wasted a few half-chances which could have materialised into more.
I do agree that Pulis needs more creative players, but I'd definitely look at McManaman and Sess before Gnabry. I still think he could be good from the bench but for me McManaman and Sessegnon are who we need the most.
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to be fair, Lukaku look relatively raw at first at it was only really after the Christmas where he looked like he belonged permenantly in the first team. Over the season, I'd hope based on his pedigree that he'll at least have a spell where he's making a difference for us.
I'd like to see him or CMc on regulalry at the moment to balance out the more defensive minded McClean............?
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Don't think we'd be having this early post mortem if his name was Steve Ganley. Very much reminiscent of the Varela and Blanco situations last season.
If he's good enough he'll force his way into the side if not ho hum it's only a loan deal.
I don't think anyone can argue with Varela's pedigree. His few performances for us last season were decent too. He was just too forward thinking for Pulis.
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In fairness to TP we have been screwing up on loan players for a while now,
Ghannassy, Vydra, Thievy, Sinclair, & Simpson spring to mind immediately
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So some people are writing off Gnabry based on a couple of appearances where he didn't play 90 minutes and/or because Pulis won't pick him? Firstly, Gnabry had a lenghty injury last season, so needs a good run of matches (which I guess is why Arsenal loaned him to us). Secondly, isn't it possible that Pulis won't play him because he prefers those who are better defensively at the expense of our attacking? If so, that's not a stick to beat Gnabry with.
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So some people are writing off Gnabry based on a couple of appearances where he didn't play 90 minutes and/or because Pulis won't pick him? Firstly, Gnabry had a lenghty injury last season, so needs a good run of matches (which I guess is why Arsenal loaned him to us). Secondly, isn't it possible that Pulis won't play him because he prefers those who are better defensively at the expense of our attacking? If so, that's not a stick to beat Gnabry with.
People can only judge what they see. If he has a few bad games then understandably the fans aren't going to be praising of him. I personally said it was still too early but as I say, based on the few appearances he just hasn't looked very good.
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Disagree on that.
If you're planning to move in to house and buy it then you might look at something that needed a big refurb but would take the time to fix it up knowing that's going to be your home for the next 5/10 years and you will enjoy the benefits down the line.
However if I was renting somewhere then I would need something that was liveable straight away, not some dump that I was going to spend 12 months improving before moving out just as it became suitable to live in.
Varela, Sessegnon, Blanco, Mcmanaman and now Gnabry. It's fine to look in to each one individually make excuses and some of them are valid (some more than others). But when we desperately need some sort of creativity the facts are that in one way or another he has either sold, frozen out, or massively underused every single creative player he has at his disposal it becomes clear to me the problem is almost certainly with Pulis rather than 5 completely different individuals.
Even if by some long stretch he was correct in shutting these players out all it show that he is either a very poor man manager, a very poor judge of what our squad needs or a very poor judge of a player in the transfer market.
Whichever way you look at it he's dropped a b*llock
Getting back to Gnabry I can see him going to someone like Swansea or Palace in January and having a pretty good spell.
Yes of course the problem is Pulis that is blindingly obvious. All of those named players are of the same mould and unfortunately after seeing them on the training field Pulis cannot see anyway they will fit in for him.
That's not to say you can't find a balance I would say players like Puncheon, Pennant, Etherington etc all got solid game time under him at other clubs and I would say they are similar types of players to those you named previously.
My point is he does seek to add players who will create goals, it's when he gets them on the training field he has come to realise they aren't going to be able to excel at the part of the game he relies on most which is being hardworking and trustworthy in a formation.
I'd love us to add some great players going forward or bring back the ones we have but we have to accept what comes with Pulis being our manager and it's something we signed up to as a club when we brought him in.
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Yes of course the problem is Pulis that is blindingly obvious. All of those named players are of the same mould and unfortunately after seeing them on the training field Pulis cannot see anyway they will fit in for him.
That's not to say you can't find a balance I would say players like Puncheon, Pennant, Etherington etc all got solid game time under him at other clubs and I would say they are similar types of players to those you named previously.
My point is he does seek to add players who will create goals, it's when he gets them on the training field he has come to realise they aren't going to be able to excel at the part of the game he relies on most which is being hardworking and trustworthy in a formation.
I'd love us to add some great players going forward or bring back the ones we have but we have to accept what comes with Pulis being our manager and it's something we signed up to as a club when we brought him in.
I understand your point, but it doesn't address the fact that McManaman & Gnabry have come into the club under his stewardship, why bring them in knowing the "type" of players they are.
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I understand your point, but it doesn't address the fact that McManaman & Gnabry have come into the club under his stewardship, why bring them in knowing the "type" of players they are.
I struggle to name players who were at Stoke and Palace under him but one that sticks out for me is Pennant. This guy was very good and creative going forward and played every week for Pulis in a horrible looking Stoke side until he had off the field problems.
He obviously did well coming back as well to defend for a Stoke side who were famous for their defensive game.
I don't see anything wrong with Pulis seeing a player who is good going forward, bringing him in and then seeing if he is remotely capable at sticking to a formation and the instructions he is given especially if it's only a loan deal like Gnabry who lets face it if he is as good as a lot of the posters seem to make out on here we will have no chance of signing come the end of the season anyway.
With Mcmannaman I think it's a different problem maybe more of a fitness issue. From what I have seen from him he is a hardworking player.
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Gnabry had a hand in both goals as our Under 21 side beat Stoke 2-0 tonight. He won't get in a look in on Saturday though - he's got too much flair for TP.
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Gnabry had a hand in both goals as our Under 21 side beat Stoke 2-0 tonight. He won't get in a look in on Saturday though - he's got too much flair for TP.
It was refreshing to see a side with intent to attack, encouraging to see a few good youngsters.
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Gnabry had a hand in both goals as our Under 21 side beat Stoke 2-0 tonight. He won't get in a look in on Saturday though - he's got too much flair for TP.
Seems good at that level, had a decent game for Germany under 21s against I believe the Faroe Islands apparently.
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Gnabry had a hand in both goals as our Under 21 side beat Stoke 2-0 tonight. He won't get in a look in on Saturday though - he's got too much flair for TP.
To be fair we all said the same about Sess until Saturday.
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I bet he's annoyed thought he would come here get games and now he's playing in our youth team when our "first" team can't creTe chances let alone score goals
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Long way to go in a long season - I'm sure he and others such as CMc and Lambert will get other chances............
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Waste of a loan for me, hindering the development of our youth players.
Thought he was loaned to play in our first team??
would have been better off signing a creative midfielder instead
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Depends whether he is playing in u21s to get fit with the aim of using him in the first team soon...if not, then this is an absolute waste of time for all concerned!!!
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So he is not ready for premier league football according
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If I was Gnabry and looked around the dressing room and saw some of our players who are considered good enough by Pulis and he isn't I think i would knock football on the head and find another job.
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If I was Gnabry and looked around the dressing room and saw some of our players who are considered good enough by Pulis and he isn't I think i would knock football on the head and find another job.
What do you expect , when Pulis think's the only definition of flair is the pyrotechnic kind used in times of distress .
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Maybe he isn't quite ready, but it's not as if the team is overloaded with flair players. The creativity from midfield is nowhere near good enough. That is where the chances are set up. Only 8 goals scored from 10 games tells you alot.
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Interestingly TP came out with this shortly before Arsene Wenger said similar things about someof his youngsters after the defeat at Sheffield,perhaps Arsenals young uns aren´t as good as they´ve been hyped up to be
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Gnabry's a couple of years further on from the ones Wenger was talking about but I guess its a similar problem of knowing when young players are ready.
In Gnabry's case I think the fact he was injured most of last season also comes into it. He may be physically fit now but some players need 8 - 10 games to get back to the level they were at before the injury....and of course you can't get the games if you are being overlooked by the manager.
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If we fancy Matt Phillips come jan does anybody think gnarby might be sent back in favour of that transfer?
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If we fancy Matt Phillips come jan does anybody think gnarby might be sent back in favour of that transfer?
Yes.
Wenger can't be happy about his lack of game time, so think he will either go back or go somewhere he can kick a ball.
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Here's my take on it.
Pulis has his favourites, but even by his standards, the treatment of Gnabry is something else. To publicly come out and say he's not good enough and is unfit is quite a negative statement. Even Pocognoli, Gamboa and various other players that he doesn't use have never been blasted in the press by Pulis, usually he deflects and says something cliched like they have a "good attitude" or whatnot.
Read into it what you will but I believe Pulis and don't think he'd openly lie about a players fitness, which hints that Gnabry is taking the pi$$ a bit.
What annoys me is the crying Arsenal fans, we had the same with Wisdom last year. Sorry but if they're not good enough/lazy then that is the players fault.
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We saw how good Arsenal Reserve kids are this week losing to Sheffield Wed - 3-0 so it is no wonder he cannot get in our side.
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I see those comments from Pulis as a direct challenge to Gnabry.
I may be wrong but I think Pulis may have expected more from him and is trying to give him a bit of a kick up the backside to kick on by making it public like this and waiting to see how he reacts in the next few weeks.
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It's just been mentioned on Talkplop about the number of Arsenal kids that suffer injuries. ;)
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He was nominated for the Golden Boy award when he first broke into Arsenal's side. Pre-Injury this was said;
But Low has now admitted that he has left the door open for Gnabry to make it onto the plane to Brazil.
He said: "The boy is really good. He has exceptional qualities.
"I'm still open [to him making the World Cup squad]. We have an eye on him."
Gnabry captured Low's imagination when he and his assistant Hansi Flick travelled to watch Ozil play for the Gunners against Swansea at the end of September.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/443974/Joachim-Low-reveals-Arsenal-s-Serge-Gnabry-could-be-Germany-s-surprise-World-Cup-inclusion
Obviously his injury has seriously effected him and so far it's a loan gamble that just hasn't paid off. Come January 1st if the situation hasn't changed he'll be recalled. Which is a shame as he's clearly a wonderful player. If he's that unfit it does make you wonder why the German U21's gave him two 45 minute outings in their most recent games.
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The BBC news today are reporting that Gnabry is going to be recalled, presumably to cover the injuries they have. However, I wouldnt be surprised if Wenger is getting a little frustrated at the lads lack of playing time.
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If its the case when he is recalled he won't be any loss to the team as he's hardly featured.
I just hope we use the loan to get a player in that's fit and able to push for a first team place from the off.
Maybe loan Phillips with an option to buy?
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The BBC news today are reporting that Gnabry is going to be recalled, presumably to cover the injuries they have. However, I wouldnt be surprised if Wenger is getting a little frustrated at the lads lack of playing time.
He'll have a hard job.
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The BBC news today are reporting that Gnabry is going to be recalled, presumably to cover the injuries they have. However, I wouldnt be surprised if Wenger is getting a little frustrated at the lads lack of playing time.
Arsene Wenger has said he's staying with us and needs to rise to the challenge.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge)
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Nice one Arsene,
Its good to see a manager being straight with a player and the fans about a situation.
To mis-quote another great manager,
So, young man, take your hands out of your pockets, stand up straight, get your head down and show me why I'm paying you loads of money!
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Nice one Arsene,
Its good to see a manager being straight with a player and the fans about a situation.
To mis-quote another great manager,
So, young man, take your hands out of your pockets, stand up straight, get your head down and show me why I'm paying you loads of money!
The same manager that bought Gary Megson and told him he couldn't trap a bag of cement. :D
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The same manager that bought Gary Megson and told him he couldn't trap a bag of cement. :D
I can't say i remember ANYTHING about SGM as a player, so Mr Clough may well have been correct.
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Arsene Wenger has said he's staying with us and needs to rise to the challenge.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge)
Its good too see Arsene saying that if im honest and also stating that Pulis is not happy with him.
If he cant break into our team then he has no chance of breaking into Arsenal's, the lad has too rise to the challenge, if he gets into the side and plays as he can then there is no doubt that we will have some player on our hands and ultimately it will benefit us.
However if he doesnt do enough and is happy at 20 years old picking up his wage every week playing youth and reserve football then id be sending him back as it is a waste of time
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Megson was average as a player Clough was spot on I saw him play several times.... 100%er though as you might have guessed!
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Megson was average as a player Clough was spot on I saw him play several times.... 100%er though as you might have guessed!
He always had plenty to say on the pitch and didn't mind leaving his foot in.
From memory he didn't last long at Forest, not sure if he even played?
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Arsene Wenger has said he's staying with us and needs to rise to the challenge.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge)
Yes well said Arsene...over to you Serge
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Arsene Wenger has said he's staying with us and needs to rise to the challenge.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge (http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151030/boss-gnabry-has-to-face-the-challenge)
They are very good comments from Wenger. Hopefully those alongside what Pulis has already said will be enough to give Gnabry the spark he needs to knuckle down and prove a point to Pulis over the coming months.
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Has he gone on holiday?
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Has he gone on holiday?
Playing for under 21s tonight , been working with Ben Garner on both sides of his game according to press i read.
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Did we ever watch the kid play before bringing him here? Another complete waste of a loan to go with the many others we've had.
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The majority of our loan signings seem to turn out terrible in the last few seasons. I had high hopes for Gnabry who is obviously a very talented player but he doesn't seem to be fully ready to contribute to our season at the moment.
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The majority of our loan signings seem to turn out terrible in the last few seasons. I had high hopes for Gnabry who is obviously a very talented player but he doesn't seem to be fully ready to contribute to our season at the moment.
I would more say that hes not a pulis type player. Loads of skill and pace, not a workhorse.
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I would more say that hes not a pulis type player. Loads of skill and pace, not a workhorse.
I wouldn't call Sess a work horse yet he has made that right side his own , theres a lot more to being an established Premier League player than just loads of skill and pace .
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I wouldn't call Sess a work horse yet he has made that right side his own , theres a lot more to being an established Premier League player than just loads of skill and pace .
Sess is the first one to be bought off no matter how good hes played.
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Sess is the first one to be bought off no matter how good hes played.
Sorry, not having a go but that is simply not the case.
Sessegnon came back into the fold against Sunderland.
Including the Sunderland game he has now featured in the starting line-up in each of the following games:
Sunderland (h) – 90 minutes and voted BBC MotM. Rondon and Berahino were subbed.
Norwich (a) – 90 minutes. Rondon and Berahino were subbed.
Leicester (h) – 90 minutes. Yacob, Berahino and Brunt were subbed.
Manchester United (a) – 90 minutes. Brunt, Morrison and Rondon were subbed.
Arsenal (h) – 61 minutes – subbed for Gardner when we arguably needed to shore things up and Sess’ was visibly beginning to tire. First of three substitutions.
West Ham (a) – 45 minutes – subbed for Lambert following a largely nondescript first half. Many including myself thought the reshuffle changed the game in our favour. Only substitution.
Tottenham (h) – 44 minutes – subbed for Gardner due to injury who despite the underlying groans from a section of the crowd went on to make a solid contribution.
He’s started 7 games and finished four, been subbed due to a debatable tactical substitution in one, subbed in another because he was ineffective and then a third when he was injured.
Ed:
Information sourced from the BBC website.
There may be the odd inaccuracy due to time constraints, but I think it's fair to say that Sess' is not always the first to be subbed :).
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Sess is the first one to be bought off no matter how good hes played.
No problem with that , you implied TP doesn't use players with pace and skill which is nonsense in all honesty. Pulis will use any advantage to win a game , if a player can keep the sides shape and do the defensive side he will play them pace/ skill or not. Etherington , Pennent , Fuller , Puncheon , Bolasie , Ince , Jerome , Gayle , Sess , Saido , Rondon , McClean.....just a few attacking players he's had in recent years most with skill or pace or both. The non attacking thing is a myth I'm afraid.
As for Gnabry well TP is supposed to have final say on transfers so he will have rubber stamped the deal , another wasted domestic loan but at the end of the day if he isn't keeping the shape or working hard enough in training i have no issue with him not featuring.
Interesting Wenger himself encouraged Gnabry to rise to the challenge here a few weeks ago, hopefully working with Garner will achieve this.
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Sorry, not having a go but that is simply not the case.
Sessegnon came back into the fold against Sunderland.
Including the Sunderland game he has now featured in the starting line-up in each of the following games:
Sunderland (h) – 90 minutes and voted BBC MotM. Rondon and Berahino were subbed.
Norwich (a) – 90 minutes. Rondon and Berahino were subbed.
Leicester (h) – 90 minutes. Yacob, Berahino and Brunt were subbed.
Manchester United (a) – 90 minutes. Brunt, Morrison and Rondon were subbed.
Arsenal (h) – 61 minutes – subbed for Gardner when we arguably needed to shore things up and Sess’ was visibly beginning to tire. First of three substitutions.
West Ham (a) – 45 minutes – subbed for Lambert following a largely nondescript first half. Many including myself thought the reshuffle changed the game in our favour. Only substitution.
Tottenham (h) – 44 minutes – subbed for Gardner due to injury who despite the underlying groans from a section of the crowd went on to make a solid contribution.
He’s started 7 games and finished four, been subbed due to a debatable tactical substitution in one, subbed in another because he was ineffective and then a third when he was injured.
How dare you allow facts to get in the way of another anti Pulis bitch! ;D
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How dare you allow facts to get in the way of another anti Pulis bitch! ;D
Sorry about that but we all have our faults ;D.
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With a busy period of fixtures coming up and with the inevitable injuries that we will incur, I really hope he gets some sort of opportunity to prove himself, if only off the bench.
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With a busy period of fixtures coming up and with the inevitable injuries that we will incur, I really hope he gets some sort of opportunity to prove himself, if only off the bench.
He's got to get ON the bench first
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Managed a whole 50 minutes in the U21's last night. Surely his wages are a waste of money and we should send him back?
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Managed a whole 50 minutes in the U21's last night. Surely his wages are a waste of money and we should send him back?
I doubt we can just send him back as loan deals don't tend to work that way.
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Tony Pulis's seems to me to be terrible at man managing. All this wasted talent at the Albion, he has just found the players who will do exactly what he says word for word and that's that as far as he is concerned.
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Tony Pulis's seems to me to be terrible at man managing. All this wasted talent at the Albion, he has just found the players who will do exactly what he says word for word and has done with it.
Or maybe he's just not good enough, fit enough or applies himself enough after a serious injury that halted his early promise.
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Tony Pulis's seems to me to be terrible at man managing. All this wasted talent at the Albion, he has just found the players who will do exactly what he says word for word and that's that as far as he is concerned.
Not having a pop but I believe you may be right there.
If I were a manager I'd be a little vexed if my subordinates did not carry out my instructions too, especially if their actions may cost me my job. I think I'd be inclined to trust those whom I could rely on, until those whom I could not were to change my opinion of them.
Perhaps those with talent and flair who are currently on the side lines should open their lug holes once in a while to show case their abilities within the team ethic.
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I think we got caught up in the hype surrounding Gnabry.
We've hardly seen anything of him and rather than have him back Wenger said he had to stay and fight for a place in our team.
I feel that if he had that much promise or potential he'd be back at Arsenal by now.
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let's be honest you don't get into a Pulis side first without putting in the effort.
you can have all the skill in the world and it wouldn't matter unless you put in the effort.
it's one of the reasons he picks McClean each week and you see it on the pitch he might not be the most talented player but he never stops.
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Not having a pop but I believe you may be right there.
If I were a manager I'd be a little vexed if my subordinates did not carry out my instructions too, especially if their actions may cost me my job. I think I'd be inclined to trust those whom I could rely on, until those whom I could not were to change my opinion of them.
Perhaps those with talent and flair who are currently on the side lines should open their lug holes once in a while to show case their abilities within the team ethic.
Not necessarily down to attitude though, they may just be rubbish at defending. Think we have to accept that, with all the will in the world, some players just don't suit a Pulis team. That may explain why some of his signings never see the light of day.
It must be hard, when scouting an attacking player, to judge their defensive capabilities, especially if they play for a more attack minded side. Makes it a bit more of a lottery I guess.
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With him being from Arsenal I would say it's more down to attitude than ability.
Chuba Akpom is on loan at Hull from Arsenal and his attitude is questionable also. He threw a wobbler last night when Steve Bruce dared to substitute him :D
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Saw elsewhere that we only have him on loan until January, then have an option to extend (which we won't be doing). Anyone know if this is true?
EDIT: Having checked the OS, it seems the claim is false. Move along, nothing to see here!
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Gone back to Arsenal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/12080038/Arsenal-transfer-news-Serge-Gnabry-recalled-from-West-Brom-loan-spell.html
Although some will probably know that I'm quite partial to a bit of Pulis bashing from what I've been reliably told is that Gnabry's attitude and particularly his application in training just hasn't been up to standard. Fantastic ability but needs to learn to apply himself properly if he is ever going to fulfill his undoubted potential. Shame it hasn't worked out, he could have been an asset this season but only has himself to blame.
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Arsenal have agreed to scrap Serge Gnabry's loan deal at West Bromwich Albion and exercised a recall option.
Gnabry will have his season-long loan cut short by Arsenal after a difficult spell at the Hawthorns under head coach Tony Pulis.
The winger has only played 12 minutes of Premier League football since signing in August and will be sent out on loan again by Arsenal, with a string of Championship clubs likely to be interested.
Gnabry, 20, has not appeared for West Brom since the 3-0 defeat at Norwich in September's Capital One Cup tie and is understood to have said his goodbyes last week.
Pulis admitted earlier this season that the Germany under-21 international was not "at that level to play games" and he has barely figured in Albion's matchday squads.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/12080038/Arsenal-transfer-news-Serge-Gnabry-recalled-from-West-Brom-loan-spell.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/12080038/Arsenal-transfer-news-Serge-Gnabry-recalled-from-West-Brom-loan-spell.html)
It would be a win-win situation if it's true.He can get chances in other team and we can save the resources to go for other players.
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What a waste of time that was.
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Good riddance. Now lets go get Debuchy in on loan.
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It seems rare these type of loans work out doesn't it (that is young upcoming players from so called big teams). James Wilson was touted for a while and he's hardly set the world alight so far in the championship. I take away that if a young loan player isn't already regularly playing for another premier league team as a sub or in cups then he's unlikely to make a mark here. Gnabry made 10 appearances for Arsenal's first team in three years (most of one year he was injured) so he wasn't exactly knocking on the door of their team so it seems we took a 'punt' with him?
We need to buy quality or loan more established players if they're to add something to our first team..........especially in the attacking areas
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It seems rare these type of loans work out doesn't it (that is young upcoming players from so called big teams). James Wilson was touted for a while and he's hardly set the world alight so far in the championship. I take away that if a young loan player isn't already regularly playing for another premier league team as a sub or in cups then he's unlikely to make a mark here. Gnabry made 10 appearances for Arsenal's first team in three years (most of one year he was injured) so he wasn't exactly knocking on the door of their team so it seems we took a 'punt' with him?
We need to buy quality or loan more established players if they're to add something to our first team..........especially in the attacking areas
Be interesting to see if Arsenal are willing to loan us another player.
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I said all along this wouldn't work out. He's not a Pulis player, and I was especially convinced of this after the Port Vale game - he kept drifting inside to try and pick up the space, but Pulis wants him wide and stuck in position.
He might make a decent player, but he needs the right team / manager.
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I said all along this wouldn't work out. He's not a Pulis player, and I was especially convinced of this after the Port Vale game - he kept drifting inside to try and pick up the space, but Pulis wants him wide and stuck in position.
He might make a decent player, but he needs the right team / manager.
Not protecting his full back enough then! ;D
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Very disappointed with the lad, if you can't get in a team in your preferred position ahead of Gardner you need to go back to the drawing board. Extremely talented apparently but obviously nothing upstairs.
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Jay Simpson was another regarded as a great talent - been playing in the lower divisions most of his career since us and Hull gave him a chance at a higher level. Not all players with potential are a) as good as they seem at youth level b) have the character to kick on. Therefore, they either get stuck 'between' youth and first teams or drop down the divisions.............maybe this will happen to Berahino if he's not careful!
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Good riddance. Now lets go get Debuchy in on loan.
Might be wrong, but I just can't see Debuchy fitting in with us. Pulis has James Chester as an understudy to Craig Dawson, so I can't see why he'd want to bring in a wing back. IMO they'll try for Andros Townsend, on loan with an option to buy.
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Pulis has tweaked the formation to allow for wingbacks rather than an out and out right winger recently so I could see Debuchy fitting in, leaving Chester/ Dawson as part of the back three CBs............I wonder why he didn't try Gamboa who was the best wing back at the last world cup? Another story......
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Well that was a waste of every ones time lol.
We could do with him right now anyway as Oxlade-Chamberlain is awful.
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No surprise he has gone back. No point keeping him here if he's got no chance of playing it helps no one.
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Pulis has tweaked the formation to allow for wingbacks rather than an out and out right winger recently so I could see Debuchy fitting in, leaving Chester/ Dawson as part of the back three CBs............I wonder why he didn't try Gamboa who was the best wing back at the last world cup? Another story......
To be fair he only play with 3 centre backs for 10 minutes away at Swansea during which we were dreadful. I've been to Swansea and the two home games and it was definitely a back 4 for all but that opening at Swansea.
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Think it's more Pulis than him, hope he goes elsewhere and shows what he can do in a team that will play him.
Was surprised at the time Arsenal loaned us a player and be even more surprised if we get another from them whilst Pulis is here
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I remember when it was Irvine's fault when Varela didn't work out and Clarke's fault when El Ghannasey didn't work out. I'd suggest it's more to do with Gnabry not applying himself correctly than Pulis not liking flair players which has been proven a myth with the inclusion of Sessegnon.
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Think it's more Pulis than him, hope he goes elsewhere and shows what he can do in a team that will play him.
Was surprised at the time Arsenal loaned us a player and be even more surprised if we get another from them whilst Pulis is here
I was too given the history between Pulis and Wenger plus our style of play. That said I thought it was a poor signing at the time given his fitness level and the fact he'd been injured for most of last season. At least it frees up a squad place and a wage hopefully for someone else to come in.
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I was too given the history between Pulis and Wenger plus our style of play. That said I thought it was a poor signing at the time given his fitness level and the fact he'd been injured for most of last season. At least it frees up a squad place and a wage hopefully for someone else to come in.
Possibly Wenger felt he needed toughening up? Bears out seeing how badly he's done that his application is not right, no-one doubts his potential, but that's all it is, potential.
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Think it's more Pulis than him, hope he goes elsewhere and shows what he can do in a team that will play him.
Was surprised at the time Arsenal loaned us a player and be even more surprised if we get another from them whilst Pulis is here
Given that Wenger said that Gnabry needed to do more then maybe the player is solely to blame.
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Much as I hate to pass up the chance for a bit of Pulis bashing ;) I think this down to the player given the lack of players Pulis trusts in the wide positions Gnabry could have pushed his way into the side with a bit of application. Genuinely disappointed by him and I wonder where he is heading from here it will be interesting to see what happens in his career.
Aside from Lukaku's season here I am struggling to remember another youngster loaned from the big clubs to another Premier League Club that has been a success. Caulker did alright at Swansea when loaned from Spurs but I think that was the same year we had Rom otherwise I'm struggling.
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I remember Jack Wilshire being a success at Bolton a few years ago but as you say there aren't many successful loans of younger players, maybe with a big contract with the parent club they don't feel the need to impress. I heard a rumour (not that I listen to much of what I hear regarding Albion) that Gnabry wasn't happy from the start and that he felt insulted being loaned out to us and his attitude was wrong from day one.
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Bolton got a tune out of a few, Wilshere, Sturridge.
Cleverley at Wigan.
It can be done, and I'm with Stan if this guy had knuckled down and put the work in he'd have been in the team with Sess and McManaman both out of favour at times.
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Keiran Richardson was a huge success here
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Anyone recently? Bamford and Gnabry flopped this year Powell last I'm struggling to think of a player who's done well on loan other than someone like Moses who has had plenty of Premier League experience before he moved from Chelsea.
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Scott Carson was a success on loan at Charlton and Villa, then we bought him and it all went pear shaped!
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Anyone recently? Bamford and Gnabry flopped this year Powell last I'm struggling to think of a player who's done well on loan other than someone like Moses who has had plenty of Premier League experience before he moved from Chelsea.
Lukaku didn't do too badly did he?
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Lukaku didn't do too badly did he?
Argh!!!! Since Lukaku which was two and half seasons ago although you might be forgiven thinking it was only yesterday given the fact that some fans are still pining over him like lovesick teenagers.
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I remember when it was Irvine's fault when Varela didn't work out and Clarke's fault when El Ghannasey didn't work out. I'd suggest it's more to do with Gnabry not applying himself correctly than Pulis not liking flair players which has been proven a myth with the inclusion of Sessegnon.
Pulis has only played Sessegnon since he has been doing more work on his defensive positioning - if he hadn't, he still wouldn't be anywhere near the team now.
El Ghannasey wasn't good enough, anybody who watched him could tell you that, while Gnabry is a German under-21 international who simply isn't the finished article yet.
Varela was a different kettle of fish. A Portuguese international, capped before and since, and he was a class above most. When he played, he actually made a difference, as we saw with a great assist for Saido (I forget who we were playing at the time). He was unlucky with injury, but when he was fit Irvine should have used him more.
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I still can't work out why Varela wasn't played more, and Pulis who claims to love width shipped him out straight away.... Surely he couldn't tell he didn't work Aaaaaaaad that quickly, or did Varela get onto his agent and say 'I'm a player get me outta here!'
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Varela was hobbled by Irvine and all this red zone rubbish, he should have been on the bench as soon as he was back in training, if he had been established when Pulis arrived could have been a different story.
Also he was in open dispute with his parent club which has now been resolved and he is in a starring role.
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Varela was hobbled by Irvine and all this red zone rubbish, he should have been on the bench as soon as he was back in training, if he had been established when Pulis arrived could have been a different story.
Also he was in open dispute with his parent club which has now been resolved and he is in a starring role.
I wouldn't call being on the bench a starring role. For what it's worth, I was gutted when he left.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/silvestre-varela/leistungsdaten/spieler/31316
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I wouldn't call being on the bench a starring role. For what it's worth, I was gutted when he left.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/silvestre-varela/leistungsdaten/spieler/31316
I did no research past a graphic I saw the other day saying he was outstanding, must have been a one off... Sorry lads.
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A ITKer on another Albion site said at the time he had never seen such an unfit player arrive at the club especially after the World Cup. Doubt Varela would have stayed anyway and Pulis was desperate to bring Fletcher in on decent wages.
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For what it's worth, I was gutted when he left (Varela).
Fair do's.
Personally I was more gutted when Asa Hartford, Len Cantello, Laurie Cunningham, Bryan Robson and Remi Moses et.al departed.
Given the times and circumstances, I was also rather vexed with the departures of Kevin Kilbane and Lee Hughes.
The departure of Enzo Maresca p'd me off too, but I was able to look beyond that in light of the fee and his destination.
Still, all about perspctive and opinions I suppose :) ;).
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seems that talk of Gnabry's departure was premature. This from today's Brummie Mail.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-update-future-serge-10692764
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seems that talk of Gnabry's departure was premature. This from today's Brummie Mail.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-update-future-serge-10692764
Strange one, probably just saying that until we sort out the wages side of things out. Saying that , wouldn't be surprised given those comments to see him start against Brizzle.
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seems that talk of Gnabry's departure was premature. This from today's Brummie Mail.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-update-future-serge-10692764
Baffling to say the least.
If we have to play a loanee's wages we should get one that the manager has a modicum of willingness to play.
As far as saying he was overweight and injured when he came here, then why on earth did we loan him for in the first place?
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Maybe WBA/ Pulis uses some of these journalists to help his strategy with negotiations....? I would anyway ! For example
TP to Arsenal " we're keeping him and will let him rot in the U21s unless you agree to waive the requirement for us to pay his wages the good for nothing lump".
TP to Press " we love Serge and would love to keep him but can't guarantee him first team football which is what he wants and needs"
Outcome - Arsenal get a bit worried at their player's development and agree to waive the requirement for us to pay his wages...........meaning TP has a bit more in his pot for others
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Baffling to say the least.
If we have to play a loanee's wages we should get one that the manager has a modicum of willingness to play.
As far as saying he was overweight and injured when he came here, then why on earth did we loan him for in the first place?
Absolutely, we've done it many times in the past. I've just read a post above that suggested the same about Varela. Lazy signings to appease fans and fill the underbelly of the squad.
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http://www.teamtalk.com/news/tp-explains-lack-of-gnabry-chances-and-rules-out-debuchy
Interesting, appears he arrived with an injury - "the clubs are talking"
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Sounds like he is staying with us going by Wenger's comment in his presser this morning. Lets hope he knuckles down because he is a big talent.
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Staying by the looks.
This needs another massive turn around if its not to be a complete waste of yet another loan.
http://readwestbrom.com/2016/01/08/albion-midfielder-set-stay-club-summer/?
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Staying by the looks.
This needs another massive turn around if its not to be a complete waste of yet another loan.
http://readwestbrom.com/2016/01/08/albion-midfielder-set-stay-club-summer/?
If that's the case I hope he gets a run out tomorrow
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If that's the case I hope he gets a run out tomorrow
Is he fit?
He didn't make the 18 last week?
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So we're going to keep him but loan out CMc .....weird?
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His blood sucking parent club have hung him out to dry by the looks of it.
I wonder how this affects Gnabry's head, his loan club don't want him and neither do his parent club by the looks.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/638151/Arsenal-News-Major-injury-blow-Brazilian-ace-offer-rejected-Gnabry-makes-transfer-plea
I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't being paid around £20k a week for doing zilch
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Wasnt in the u21 squad last night
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His blood sucking parent club have hung him out to dry by the looks of it.
I wonder how this affects Gnabry's head, his loan club don't want him and neither do his parent club by the looks.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/638151/Arsenal-News-Major-injury-blow-Brazilian-ace-offer-rejected-Gnabry-makes-transfer-plea
I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't being paid around £20k a week for doing zilch
I see nothing to suggest Arsenal are hanging him out to dry? To my understanding the loan can only be cut short if WE agree to it, at the moment we aren't, although talks have taken place.
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I see nothing to suggest Arsenal are hanging him out to dry? To my understanding the loan can only be cut short if WE agree to it, at the moment we aren't, although talks have taken place.
I would think we're more keen than Arsenal to end it.
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I would think we're more keen than Arsenal to end it.
From the outside yes I agree it does seem bizarre that we wouldn't want to knock this one on the head, my only guess is we will assess our options at the end of the transfer window and it could be concluded then.
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Would have expected Arsenal would want it ended as much as us so they could sort something out for him to go and get games elsewhere as its clear he'll be wasting a year worth of development here. This loan deal currently doesn't suit either club or the player.
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From the outside yes I agree it does seem bizarre that we wouldn't want to knock this one on the head, my only guess is we will assess our options at the end of the transfer window and it could be concluded then.
There's a likely chain here. We sell Berahino (£20m) and then buy Phillips (£7m). That enables us to sell McManaman (£4m) We still need a striker though, which I think may well be Walters (£4m). Would still have £13m left but now look a fair bit stronger. Can we then find an attacking CM?
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Would have expected Arsenal would want it ended as much as us so they could sort something out for him to go and get games elsewhere as its clear he'll be wasting a year worth of development here. This loan deal currently doesn't suit either club or the player.
Several Championship clubs should want him on loan. Maybe we should agree to pay part of his wages for rest of the season to get him loaned to another club. Would free up most of his wages and free up another loan place for us
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There's a likely chain here. We sell Berahino (£20m) and then buy Phillips (£7m). That enables us to sell McManaman (£4m) We still need a striker though, which I think may well be Walters (£4m). Would still have £13m left but now look a fair bit stronger. Can we then find an attacking CM?
Berahino, £20m? Dream on.
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Berahino, £20m? Dream on.
I think we'll get it. Spurs opening offer will be around £18m and likely to be more up front than last time. Think it's looking far likelier after they sold Townsend today and also got Adeboyor's wages off their payroll. They are desperate for cover for Kane with Clinton Njie injured. Still think Newcastle and Leicester might pounce, which will stop Levy from trying to be too clever on the offer
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Swap him for Benteke!
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There's a likely chain here. We sell Berahino (£20m) and then buy Phillips (£7m). That enables us to sell McManaman (£4m) We still need a striker though, which I think may well be Walters (£4m). Would still have £13m left but now look a fair bit stronger. Can we then find an attacking CM?
;D
Love the optimism, I don't think we'll do any business.
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Love the optimism, I don't think we'll do any business.
Time will tell. The egos of Levy and Peace are the two biggest barriers
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Time will tell. The egos of Levy and Peace are the two biggest barriers
I think the biggest barrier is no one in their right mind would stump up the kind of cash we're after for Berahino in this transfer window.
Out of condition, out of form, and out of the team.
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;D
Love the optimism, I don't think we'll do any business.
It's more than optimism, verging on fantasy. I agree with you, Berahino will still be here at the end of the window, and we won't be buying anyone. Fairly sure of it tbh
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Was recalled yesterday afternoon.
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I know it's an old article but it is kind of telling about what a waste of a loan this was and you have to question what on earth were Arsenal doing loaning him to us.
It also says a lot about why we get very little entertainment, we stifle attacking play and concentrate on working hard and defending.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-phenomenal-talent-serge-10502317
(Found it searching Ben Garner!)
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Serge Gnabry responds with two words when asked what went wrong at West Bromwich Albion.
Anyone like to guess the two words?
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Is it a 4-5 ?
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Sexy Pulis
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Saddlers advertising ?
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Well how did things turn out?
Gnabry is now playing regularly for one of the best teams in Europe we are in the Championship and Pulis is unemployed or more accurately waiting for his next victim to stumble into his parasitic grasp.
I am just grateful that that era is over.
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Well how did things turn out?
Gnabry is now playing regularly for one of the best teams in Europe we are in the Championship and Pulis is unemployed or more accurately waiting for his next victim to stumble into his parasitic grasp.
I am just grateful that that era is over.
That will probably be Stoke then.
Gnabry, like Greg is a class player, Pulis just didn't know how to use him and was not prepared to give him a chance. Probably 'didn't work aaaard enough'
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Is it a 4-5 ?
Yes, your getting very warm
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Gnabry is indeed a quality player. He also looked disinterested and the best part of a stone overweight compared to what he is now while with us. I don't think the fault for his poor returns here were entirely with Tony Pulis. Thankfully for Serge it appears the penny (or Euro) has dropped for him, I wish him all of the best. I realise it takes two to tango but I can't help thinking it's a pity he didn't appear to apply himself more fully when here.
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I'm afraid this just underlines what Pulis does to players. He can't recognise genuine skill, or if he can, he makes the player compromise so much, that it takes the edge off what he's best at. If we'd had Messi under Pulis, he'd probably have been in and out the team if he wasn't tracking back into the defensive block. And Messi probably isn't that good at tackling.
l watch alot of German football and Gnabry has everything you want from a striker. I'd love to have seen him managed by Billic.
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As I said at the time, what is Wenger's excuse? We only had him on loan after all...
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As I said at the time, what is Wenger's excuse? We only had him on loan after all...
I can understand Wenger wanting to loan him out because of the better quality players at Arsenal. But yes, he should have known better than to loan him out to a club managed by Pulis.
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Young Serge has just put 4 past Spurs. Why was he rubbish at the Albion then? ;D
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Young Serge has just put 4 past Spurs. Why was he rubbish at the Albion then? ;D
Dunno? Why was he rubbish at Arsenal?
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Young Serge has just put 4 past Spurs. Why was he rubbish at the Albion then? ;D
When he was here he didn't look anything special, couldn't get near the Arsenal team, maybe his loan spell here gave him the kick up the backside he needed to get his career on track. Easy for players to blame others when sometimes the issue is closer to home for them.
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Young Serge has just put 4 past Spurs. Why was he rubbish at the Albion then? ;D
Because his manager was Tony Pulis
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Dunno? Why was he rubbish at Arsenal?
It was a tongue in cheek comment Jacko. Salah and DeBruyne hardly set the world alight first time around, look at them now.
Gnabry has clearly developed, fair play to the lad.
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Young Serge has just put 4 past Spurs. Why was he rubbish at the Albion then? ;D
A very bad fit expecting Pulis to get anything out of him. Pulis teams only play one way
by-passing the midfield. As I said, Messi would have looked ordinary in a Pulis team.
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Dunno? Why was he rubbish at Arsenal?
Correct, I know people don’t like pullis but the world class wenger had him there and couldn’t get a tune out of him, people forget its about 4 years on.....I’d score in that Bayern team
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Pulis is surprised by how much he's improved and said he just couldn't get him fit. Mentioned that he was subbed in an U21 game. That also ties in when he got a run out and was blowing out of his backside after 5 mins and looked a stone or two overweight.
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Pulis is surprised by how much he's improved and said he just couldn't get him fit. Mentioned that he was subbed in an U21 game. That also ties in when he got a run out and was blowing out of his backside after 5 mins and looked a stone or two overweight.
Pulis is such a good judge of strikers, isn't he. Wasn't he the person we have to thank for having Burke and HRK on our books?
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He also signed Rondon and Jrod. Not sure of your point. I was simply saying that Pulis' reason for him not playing for us was his struggle to get him fit. He didnt look fit for us. Wenger also had the same problem. We also finished 14th and should have finished higher that season really so we didn't do too badly.
In general I don't get this gnashing of teeth every time we let a player go and they do actually go on to improve. It happens, and also some players we let go at just the right time, and some we hold onto for too long. pooh happens.
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He also signed Rondon and Jrod. Not sure of your point. I was simply saying that Pulis' reason for him not playing for us was his struggle to get him fit. He didnt look fit for us. Wenger also had the same problem. We also finished 14th and should have finished higher that season really so we didn't do too badly.
In general I don't get this gnashing of teeth every time we let a player go and they do actually go on to improve. It happens, and also some players we let go at just the right time, and some we hold onto for too long. rubbish happens.
and Ricky Lambert as well...…
Actually I happen to agree with you. Gnabry was clearly not fit when he joined us and Pulis did not give him much of a chance. Likewise Wenger which is why he was sold on. Like many others, I do not think that Serge was ever up for sale, and even if he was, we as a club had a different mind set at the time, so he was never a viable acquisition.
I mentioned it a couple of nights ago tongue in cheek. You are right, it is pointless musing over what might have been...….
I probably would not have mentioned it if Pulis had not been involved, but he is such a good judge of a player isn't he! :)
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Pulis is such a good judge of strikers, isn't he. Wasn't he the person we have to thank for having Burke and HRK on our books?
I don’t think pulis’ commented on his ability he commented on his fitness, which was evident in his performance against port vale I think it was when he barely lasted an hour and was awful throughout the time he was on the pitch. It’s great for him that he’s developed so much but he was poor when he was with us and wasn’t good enough at the time, genuinely have no idea why so many pundits and fans find it so hard to believe a player wasn’t good enough to play regular premier league football at 19 but has developed into a good player 4 years later
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I can understand him not breaking through into the Arsenal first team at the time, as they were Champions League and could pick and choose from a very talented pool of forwards. With us his competition was much more limited, the likes of MacManaman and Gardner. And when it came down to selection, Pulis preferred the Gardners and MacManaman's. To me at least, it was obvious that Gnabry was in a different class.
I can accept that some of the blame that he didn't establish himself may have been down to Gnabry, but only some. When you have a manager playing for 1-0's or even
0-0's, by-passing the midfield, expecting an attacking flair player with his talent to spend most of his time covering his own right back deep in his own half, I think I'd lose heart.
Obviously the manager sets the tactics, and so it was a mismatch. That's part of what you buy into when you appoint a manager. Pulis can only play one way. He picks players primarily for their defensive skills, even the forwards.
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I have to say that I don't buy the "he was a stone over weight" argument,
If a player is taken on loan, part of the deal is to get him match fit surely, If not, ie the player is match fit that implies he has been playing matches, doesn't it?
In my mind you bring a loanee on board get him match fit and then you and the Owning club can establish the players capabilities under match conditions, or, you can take a player on loan who is falling down the pecking order due to age / injury factors.
If you are daft enough to put an unfit (over weight) player into a competitive professional match you will inevitably reap the rewards of your incompetence, or,
If you and your staff cannot get the overweight player fit with the tools available to a modern football club then again you are incompetent, either as a man manager or a fitness coach.
My onions anyway
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I know he got 4, but he probably wasn't working very 'ard
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From signing...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/07/18/2B2EC11B00000578-0-image-a-37_1438969179419.jpg)
To later on in the season...
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/secondary/Serge-Gnabry-2087816.webp?r=1570008551752)
I had to double check what I could because, to be honest, that second pic looks like a different player.
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That's an incredible photo comparison. Perhaps some of the problems were of his own making and he given himself a good talking to once he left us.
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I think that's probably the case and fair play to the lad, he's knuckled down and is getting the recognition his hard work has deserved.
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Can only see one picture??
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I can imagine he lost the will to live working for Pulis.
Can you imagine going from the passing footballing philosophy under Wenger to Pulisball? Must have demoralised the kid.
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I can imagine he lost the will to live working for Pulis.
Can you imagine going from the passing footballing philosophy under Wenger to Pulisball? Must have demoralised the kid.
Run up that hill. Run up it again. Now again.
I would suggest that if his fitness suffered while he was at ours, that it was something wrong at our end. If we can't motivate a player, then that's a failure of management.
I always said, I watched him in that cup game and knew Pulis would be having none of him - he kept drifting in off his line, picking up space, trying to make things happen when he got the ball, all things Pulis doesn't want from his wingers.
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Absolute disgrace that a player is allowed to bloat like that during a very short period of time, dieticians / physios/ psychologists and manager should all carry as much responsibility as the player in that scenario.
Great comparison images BTW. I hadn't grasped how stark the change was.
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Like a couple of others I can only see one picture. However, I assume that the 'after' shot of Serge coincided with the opening of Greggs next to the ground...…..
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Here's the direct links...
Before (https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/07/18/2B2EC11B00000578-0-image-a-37_1438969179419.jpg)
After (https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/secondary/Serge-Gnabry-2087816.webp?r=1570008551752)
What can you do if a player goes home and eats McDonalds at 2 in the morning or something? The player's job is to not get fat and stay fit, he's literally paid to do that.
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Here's the direct links...
Before (https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/07/18/2B2EC11B00000578-0-image-a-37_1438969179419.jpg)
After (https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/secondary/Serge-Gnabry-2087816.webp?r=1570008551752)
What can you do if a player goes home and eats McDonalds at 2 in the morning or something? The player's job is to not get fat and stay fit, he's literally paid to do that.
Your coaches put him on double training sessions and get the shrink working on his head, and the manager mentoring him. If that isn't the case what is the point employing all these people ?
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Here's the direct links...
Before (https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/07/18/2B2EC11B00000578-0-image-a-37_1438969179419.jpg)
After (https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/secondary/Serge-Gnabry-2087816.webp?r=1570008551752)
What can you do if a player goes home and eats McDonalds at 2 in the morning or something? The player's job is to not get fat and stay fit, he's literally paid to do that.
Can still only get the first one 😲
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Your coaches put him on double training sessions and get the shrink working on his head, and the manager mentoring him. If that isn't the case what is the point employing all these people ?
I would say it's a fair bet that we did that though. Like you said, why would you employ staff if they aren't doing their job? A footballer is an expensive employee - I doubt we just leave them to their own devices. Gnabry played in the U21's and had to be taken off he was so unfit.
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Serge Gnabry: Premier League struggler to Germany and Bayern Munich star
An interesting read and some telling words here from Wenger
Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50556045
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Interesting article on Serge Gnabry on the BBC website. Confirms that his spell with us was what made him return to Germany. Probably more like being told he wasn't spending enough time in his own penalty box tracking the opposition full backs etc.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51615027
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Had a blinder last night apparently.
What could have been had Bilic been here at the same time as Gnabry
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Had a blinder last night apparently.
What could have been had Bilic been here at the same time as Gnabry
probably the same as under pulis, he was kid who wasn’t good enough for premier league football, he struggled in the cup game against lower league opposition, fair play to him he’s got his head down and worked hard
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Watched an interview with TP talking about Gnaby around 6 months ago.. . To be fair to him he did say everyone makes mistakes..
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probably the same as under pulis, he was kid who wasn’t good enough for premier league football, he struggled in the cup game against lower league opposition, fair play to him he’s got his head down and worked hard
He didn't really struggle, no more than the rest of the team did. (Seriously how many times did we play lower-league opposition under Pulis and look awful? Like we couldn't attack them or break them down at all).
The problem was he wouldn't follow Pulis' instructions. Instead of sticking to the line and putting in crosses / winning free kicks or corners, he tried to pick up space, play passes, create things, and you know... actually play football. That's why Pulis wouldn't pick him, which in turn led to a crisis of confidence and desire to leave England.
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Can’t believe people still use ONE league cup game to back Pulis’s treatment of Gnabry. Laughable. Pulis played a complete second string that day; the team had no coherence or understanding whatsoever. Also the cries of ‘he didn’t impress in training’ has also been totally dispelled by Gareth McAauley who said Gnabry was sensational in training and our defenders couldn’t get anywhere near him. Glad he has gone on to have such a brilliant career after we completely wasted his talent for a whole year.
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Pulisball was a black hole into which talented creative footballers disappeared never to be seen again. Whenever he was asked about a player who wasn't playing the answer was always "not up to speed". It was staggering how it was always the creative players that weren't up to speed but a big strong centre half would could not only never be unfit but could do a job almost anywhere on the pitch.
It was a dark time to be a Baggie and I wish Gnabry would stop doing well against English clubs as it reminds me of those wasted years.
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Pulis was just a hopeless judge of attacking creative players. His idea of a good forward was a big lump up top who could nod in high balls into the box or from set pieces. Or Oliver Burke. I don't know what he saw in him.
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Pulis was just a hopeless judge of attacking creative players. His idea of a good forward was a big lump up top who could nod in high balls into the box or from set pieces. Or Oliver Burke. I don't know what he saw in him.
Pulis was one of the managers who loved a Kevin Davis, Kenwynne Jones or James Beattie type of bull in a china shop player. One of his real gems was John Parkin, I dread to think how quickly he would dismantle this squad.