Jay Rodriguez of Southampton being linked by The Daily Telegraph today. Hope sogood player before he got injured but this would be a big gamble
good player before he got injured but this would be a big gamble
Typical Albion. Linked with slimanii,benteke the lad from juventus and we might get an injured player to get fit for Southampton. On the cheap again!!
Typical Albion. Linked with slimanii,benteke the lad from juventus and we might get an injured player to get fit for Southampton. On the cheap again!!In fairness the report says we would want Rodriguez and abother striker. We are very unlikely to spend big money on two strikers so a bigger name, more expensive deal and someone like Rodriguez would work.
Typical Albion. Linked with slimanii,benteke the lad from juventus and we might get an injured player to get fit for Southampton. On the cheap again!!. What do you mean typical Albion ? Was never in For Benteke just paper speculation we've made a bid for Slimani which has been knocked back by his club just like we do with Berahino offers . And know a link , which is still only paper speculation at the moment saying we're in for a player who was on the fringe of an England call up a couple years ago .So what's wrong with that ? .I suppose it gives some people on here a chance to have a dig and moan what ever the club does . That's Typical !
Will this allow completion of Saido to Stoke (assuming Saido is prepared to go) ? ....sincerely hope so as we need to move on.
Will we ever learn?
We loaned two crocks last season and we saw how much game time they got.
Other teams seem to loan fit players why are we always rehabilitating them instead of playing them?
Not saying a fit Rodriguez isn't worth a go but our punts rarely come off
Will we ever learn?
We loaned two crocks last season and we saw how much game time they got.
Other teams seem to loan fit players why are we always rehabilitating them instead of playing them?
Not saying a fit Rodriguez isn't worth a go but our punts rarely come off
When Pulis said he wanted 5 players he failed to mention that some of them would be stop gaps!
I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.
When Pulis said he wanted 5 players he failed to mention that some of them would be stop gaps!
I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.
'I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.'. Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .
No just No! We are better than Stoke's cast offs :(
. Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .Charlie Adam NO. Energy? he's got some quality on the ball but he's got no pace and he's the sneakiest dirtiest player in the premier league.
. Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .
. Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .. Not for one minute do I think we'll sign any of the three players mentioned,has it was a members thought and the thread is on Jay Rodriguez, I would take a punt on him above anyone of the three from Stoke
Hmm only on loan, Why bother? Pulis won't play him.
Check his fitness for a season maybe? Should be loan to permanent if so.. Agree ! But it's got to be on both parties,and not just get him fit for Southampton
He'd be a gamble, but surely it's positive intent from Pulis compared to some of his usual targets? (Carlton Cole, wink wink).
Before his injury he was great, now he looks rusty. Surely can't be any worse than Berahino and needs game time. I can't see Southampton selling though as they've not replaced Pelle, unless they have a big target lined up with the Mane + Wanyama cash.
Possibly one Saido Berahino? Would suit both parties?. Just read it could be a possibility he's part of a Sadio deal
I'd be happy with a loan to permanent arrangement.. The only other question is will he pass the medical . If he does then yes I agree loan to a permanent
Gives us chance to assess how those injuries have potentially hampered him. If its the Rodriguez prior to his injury then he will be a very valuable asset - gives us an option both upfront and out wide.
The only thing that worries me is, how much pre season has he done, or how many minutes?
He will be way off Pulis fitness standards surely, so when will we see him.
We need players ready to start now and make an impact.
I'd never want us to loan from the likes of Southampton.
Ultimately getting their striker back to full fitness and possibly in form, leaving us in the same boat next window.
As a backup signing (better than Lambert / Anichebe) then I'd be all for it. However I would hope that a loan deal wouldn't be one of the 5 players that Pulis wants. I still hope we can offload Berahino and bring in a striker of real quality. When I see the likes of Rodriguez and Galloway mentioned I can't help but feel we are a long way down our list of targets and now into panic mode.
I cannot understand why any player would come to us on loan, it is pointless as they get absolutely no game time.
It is time for the club to realise unless TP wants them you can buy/loan who you want but he does not play them.
I cannot understand why any player would come to us on loan, it is pointless as they get absolutely no game time.
It is time for the club to realise unless TP wants them you can buy/loan who you want but he does not play them.
Do we know if there is or isn't a view to a permanent deal?
No issue with this if its as replacement for Vic , just hope its not supposed to be our only answer.
Other than his time at Burnley I know little of the player in all fairness , what was the injury ?
As a backup signing (better than Lambert / Anichebe) then I'd be all for it. However I would hope that a loan deal wouldn't be one of the 5 players that Pulis wants. I still hope we can offload Berahino and bring in a striker of real quality. When I see the likes of Rodriguez and Galloway mentioned I can't help but feel we are a long way down our list of targets and now into panic mode.
Problem is I think we have enough 'back up' players.
We need proper first teamers
I'd still like to see a genuine winger come in more so for the right as we also have brunt as an option for the left side.Phillips and Leko are right-sided. Neither Brunt nor McClean coud be classified as wingers really. I'm sure (well I hope) they were looking at Schlupp as a winger, rather than a left-back.
Phillips and Leko are right-sided. Neither Brunt nor McClean coud be classified as wingers really. I'm sure (well I hope) they were looking at Schlupp as a winger, rather than a left-back.
Fit and on song a decent player. Certainly not a pacey Wideman. I'd still like to see a genuine winger come in more so for the right as we also have brunt as an option for the left side.
Rodriguez could work if we play him as a three up front on the left and then another new signing on the right of a three up front with Rondon being the 'pivot' in the middle. We'd of course need to have at least two mobile midfielders behind them to make this work though?More importantly, we'd need to have a different manager as Pulis would never play such a line-up!
Going back to Burnley apparently.
Source/rumour/link please?
It's a "journalist" on twitter who claims to have links to a few clubs. Going through his twitter feed, it appears he latches on to transfer rumours as soon as they pop up and tries to pass them off as his own. The fact he is not followed by any other football journalists, as well as not seeming to be credited with any media articles, makes it hard for me to believe he is anything other than a bit of a fake account.
Lets wait and see.
Pat Murphy on Twitter saying this could be done in the next 24 hours.
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Looks like Jay Rodriguez could be @WBA on yr's loan in next 24 hrs as Soton fork out £21m to Lillee for extra forward power,freeing up JayR
Pat Murphy on Twitter saying this could be done in the next 24 hours.
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Looks like Jay Rodriguez could be @WBA on yr's loan in next 24 hrs as Soton fork out £21m to Lillee for extra forward power,freeing up JayR
Why are we waiting for Saints to sign a decent striker before we get their rehabilitation project?
Why don't we challenge for the decent striker. Small time attitude in my opinion
This is actually embarrassing TBH, we are prepared to take on their 3rd choice striker even after they have sold the likes of Mane, Wanyama and Pelle? and we wait around for them to sort their transfer dealings... really?
Christ, just imagine how Stoke feel about waiting for Berahino then... :-X
Christ, just imagine how Stoke feel about waiting for Berahino then... :-Xagree this is a total embarrassment , to think we've got to wait for them to spend 9million before we can have their cast off . Then pay them to get him fit and they'll take him back at the end of the season . Absolute farce :-[
agree this is a total embarrassment , to think we've got to wait for them to spend 9million before we can have their cast off . Then pay them to get him fit and they'll take him back at the end of the season . Absolute farce :-[
agree this is a total embarrassment , to think we've got to wait for them to spend 9million before we can have their cast off . Then pay them to get him fit and they'll take him back at the end of the season . Absolute farce :-[
Think his replacement is going to cost closer to 20million.
They are signing two players, a £9m striker and a £20m attacking midfielder
1. Who? Albion?
2. Any idea by when?
Still favorites despite Hull interest according the the Birmingham Mail ....
https://t.co/xWBw2kiRs5
If they go elsewhere we only have ourselves to blame........
I fully see it happening and that would be the straw that breaks the camels back for me. Would actually even start to have some slight sympathy for Berahino then as we have now had a more than acceptable offer.
Hull favorites to land Rodriguez now.
How come we keep looking at players who have just come back from injury or are unproven at this level when it comes to Loan's?anyone thought of asking man city to loan out bony or anybody ;D
It's getting laughable now, I notice alot of other potiential signings we face competition from 2 or 3 other Prem clubs.this transfer window is an absolute joke if you are a fan of the Albion, two signings that wouldn't turn your head and one of them a loan deal .
Forget them players then!!
Hull favorites to land Rodriguez now.
What's the source?
Read westbrom.com. just regurgitates other articles in sensationalist way. Doesn't know anything.
If we do get Rodriguez lets hope he finds the form he has before his injuries, poor bloke has been out for nearly 2 yearsAccording to Wikipedia, Rodriguez signed a new 4 year contract with Southampton in May last year, which was 13 months after he ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament, so they must have been pretty confident that he wasn't permanently crocked by the injury.
According to Wikipedia, Rodriguez signed a new 4 year contract with Southampton in May last year, which was 13 months after he ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament, so they must have been pretty confident that he wasn't permanently crocked by the injury.http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jay-rodriguez/verletzungen/spieler/53360
He made 12 appearances for them last season which, whilst not very many, does mean that he hasn't been out for 2 years.
Jay Rodriguez would be a perfectly sound signing IF he is being signed as a striker option and if we are going to back it up with another striker.
With only 4 working days left of the transfer window, I worry he might be our only one.
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.
"We know Jay's condition, I've spoken to a few people there, we know it's going to take a few games for him to get back into his stride but I know the lad and he's a fantastic lad.
"He'll want to prove to everybody that he can get back to what he was. We want people who have got good attitudes and are also ambitious."
Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/27/tony-pulis-this-albion-squad-still-isnt-mine/#BfcS8Z9miXw5qt4l.99
Great another potential loan signing who's not fit to start
"We know Jay's condition, I've spoken to a few people there, we know it's going to take a few games for him to get back into his stride but I know the lad and he's a fantastic lad.
"He'll want to prove to everybody that he can get back to what he was. We want people who have got good attitudes and are also ambitious."
Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/27/tony-pulis-this-albion-squad-still-isnt-mine/#BfcS8Z9miXw5qt4l.99
Great another potential loan signing who's not fit to start
"We know Jay's condition, I've spoken to a few people there, we know it's going to take a few games for him to get back into his stride but I know the lad and he's a fantastic lad.
"He'll want to prove to everybody that he can get back to what he was. We want people who have got good attitudes and are also ambitious."
Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/27/tony-pulis-this-albion-squad-still-isnt-mine/#BfcS8Z9miXw5qt4l.99
Great another potential loan signing who's not fit to start
One minute we are going to shell out £16m on a temperamental striker, but pull out because he is unfit to start, and then we borrow another clubs 3rd choice striker who is not fully fit....
Beats me TBH.......
It's quite logical. Spending £16m on an unfit striker is a much bigger risk than taking an unfit striker on loan - no transfer fee at risk and so the transfer fee can still be used elsewhere
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?
Why not both? (A man can dream)
Let's get one thing straight Jay Rodriguez is fit might not be quite match fit but certainly fit enough to feature for Southampton, on the other hand Sakho isn't fit and doesn't have a date when he will be fit. Equally telling in world gone mad and £16m being Championship change (according to some on here) there is no apparent interest in him from elsewhere and trust me West Ham would dearly like to be shot of him.
Conclusion Rodriguez is the fitter of the two and more importantly bust a gut to make sure he was fit, I declare this a no contest.
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?
I'm struggling to understand why he's not fit as he played 13 games last season and presumably has got a Southampton pre season behind him?
But hes 'a good laad'that gave me a good laugh
We're slowly turning into the RSPA of the Premier League.
'Gaffa the No 9 has a bosted leg'
No problem gimp, put him in a box and send up to Bramwich. Tone will having running round like a good un by the start of the next transfer window.'
The most pleasing thing about finding out we were in for a Southampton striker was that it wasn't Long.but Long is evidently ahead of him in the queue....that must worry you
Rodriguez was a very good player at Burnley and hopefully he can regain some of that form with us.
but Long is evidently ahead of him in the queue....that must worry youLong just had a great season for Saints though and was their top scorer with 10+ league goals. Last season at least his finishing was far better than when he was with us.
Long just had a great season for Saints though and was their top scorer with 10+ league goals. Last season at least his finishing was far better than when he was with us.I agree he played well under Koeman. I've always said Long is an enigma...he can look awful one day and terrorise the opposition the next.
I agree he played well under Koeman. I've always said Long is an enigma...he can look awful one day and terrorise the opposition the next.
but Long is evidently ahead of him in the queue....that must worry you
Keeper made a right howler for his goal ad let it through his hands.They all count and give a striker confidence to go on a scoring spree. I wonder if they will still let him out on loan ?
They all count and give a striker confidence to go on a scoring spree. I wonder if they will still let him out on loan ?
If Southampton decide to keep Rodriguez, it may well signal us not letting Berahino go :(
I can't imagine Rodriguez is our replacement for Berahino.I didn't say that he was. I would imagine our position is that we need to be sure of signing 2 strikers before we'll let Berahino go and Rodriguez not coming would give us little chance of achieving that at this late stage of the window.
I didn't say that he was. I would imagine our position is that we need to be sure of signing 2 strikers before we'll let Berahino go and Rodriguez not coming would give us little chance of achieving that at this late stage of the window.
I'm not sure. Either way I still think when Southampton sign this striker they will release Rodriguez.
They will, he's on the way. Boufal signs tomorrow,, Rodriguez comes to us Monday.What's your source for this please?
Matt Wilson has apparently said that Rodriguez still wants to come. Is possible now with Chadli not being a loan.E and S saying he still wants to come to us.
Haven't seen this directly attributed to Matt Wilson but am hoping it's true
Sky Sports saying he's staying at Southampton to fight for his place
Sky Sports saying he's staying at Southampton to fight for his place
He's heard of our interest! :DAre you saying that nice Mr Pulis would turn him into a CB!? :o
I guess it will boil down to whether or not Southampton think they are likely to need him. If they are top-heavy with strikers and can't guarantee him game-time them they will push him out the door. The guy understandably wants to play after missing 2 seasons.
A bit like Lambert?
I hope not.
A huge difference between a 34 year old and a guy in his early 20s.
27 is hardly "early 20s".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3764115/Sunderland-s-striker-search-goes-David-Moyes-fails-bids-Danny-Ings-Jay-Rodriguez.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Apparently Sunderland have had a bid turned down for Rodriguez and Ings.
Seems mad that these clubs won't let their players out to get games after serious injuries. Bet they both won't play and will be loaned out in January anyway. Either way it looks like we'll need to pursue a different striker.
Noises coming out of E&S article suggest Rodriguez wants to leave still.
I think he will end up going out on loan, just depends if thats to us or not, the goal over the weekend has just reminded Southampton that he has quality and maybe made them hesitate a little.
Noises coming out of E&S article suggest Rodriguez wants to leave still.
I think he will end up going out on loan, just depends if thats to us or not, the goal over the weekend has just reminded Southampton that he has quality and maybe made them hesitate a little.
Noises coming out of E&S article suggest Rodriguez wants to leave still.His goal at the weekend was due to a goalkeeping howler and had nothing to do with his quality. I think Southampton know what he is or isn't capable of without it all hinging on one shot at the weekend.
I think he will end up going out on loan, just depends if thats to us or not, the goal over the weekend has just reminded Southampton that he has quality and maybe made them hesitate a little.
Personally I hope we still get him.
Doesn't look like the Slimani transfer will work in our favour so I think Rodriguez is a second best option, we must strengthen in attack.
I'm still half expecting Crouch and Walters to be at the training ground at 10minutes to mid night
According to Twitter looks like jay Rodriguez could still be a possibility on loan.
date=1472636614]No brainer.
Hull, Sunderland and us are the options[/b] according to John Percy
sky reporting Rodrigues staying at s,ton.
I wish he'd make his friggin mind upLooks like he has. Can't say I blame either.
Not going to get anywhere with 10million.
Need at least another 5milliom on top.
West Ham also interested. What a surprise do they just follow us around.I think they just stock-pile players.
West Ham also interested. What a surprise do they just follow us around.How do they get around the financial fair play thing? And vile come to think of it.its a joke all round
Why would he move with a cup final around the corner?
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Don't believe @WBA are still stuck in the parsimonious days of Jeremy Peace. John Williams much more realistic & club will fork out 4 JayR
Echo down in Southampton have said he's definitely not leaving, also said he's injured and wouldn't be involved in tonight's game for them anyway.He's leaving then ;D
Echo down in Southampton have said he's definitely not leaving, also said he's injured and wouldn't be involved in tonight's game for them anyway.
might be quite a convenient injury, so that they can withdraw him from tonight's game. Apparently Sunderland had a £12million bid rejected. I think we should go back in for him.
Don't really understand Southampton's strategy. They have just bought Gabbiandi from Italy, have Shane Long and Charlie Austin. Why would they want 4 forwards? Maybe Rodriguez thinks he might get game at Wembley, but realistically he's going to be spending most of his time on the bench at Southampton.It's not really that unusual to have 4 strikers ? Austin is currently injured and a couple of them can play in wider positions if needs be.
It's not really that unusual to have 4 strikers ? Austin is currently injured and a couple of them can play in wider positions if needs be.
I think Leko is ready to take his chance but still very light up front.
Maybe there will be a surprise with one of the Chelsea youngsters joining, it would be ludicrous if we didn't use remaining loan!!
But it's not just if Rondon gets injured - he has no competition for his place at the moment and seems off form but there's no real alternative which is always worrying.If we finished the next summer window with just Rondon and HRK it would be madness - but not now if there's no one available that we want.
Gabbiadini has just completed move to Saints
Rodrigues now free to leave.....
Gabbiadini has just completed move to Saints
Rodrigues now free to leave.....
Little too late I imagine :(
ha ha ha ha i like your optimism,helicopter to the training ground may just make it
maybe ne could sign on loan, the deadline is different for loans isn't it?
Sign him on loan get the medical done tomorrow no risk if on loan he has been playing regular premier league football.
Can't sign him on loan - we already have two domestic loans in Gallaway and now Wilson
Thought we might have grabbed Ulloa on loan until we went and signed Wilson
Sign him on loan get the medical done tomorrow no risk if on loan he has been playing regular premier league football. A loan fee would have to be agreed , then we would have to get Everton to take Galloway back cause we can only have two loan deal God !!what am I saying it's not going to happen good night !
Get Galloway's loan cancelled he has been a complete waste of a loan.
Percy in the Telegraph says we're back in talks for Jay Rod.
My Saints mates are loving the fact they might be getting £12m for him. Says he is finished at this level.
My Saints mates are loving the fact they might be getting £12m for him. Says he is finished at this level.
Squad filling going nicely.
last season 893 minutes played - 4 goals scored, compares favorably with our lot.
I would be more concerned about fitness than ability
not this ole chestnut again, i got no right to moan though have i after becoming an armchair supporter until Tony Pulis leaves::) ::) ::) ::) whats wrong with this one?
not this ole chestnut again, i got no right to moan though have i after becoming an armchair supporter until Tony Pulis leavesyour right there for once
He is bette than HRK and will either support or compete with Rondon who has also gone off the mark.
We booted out our European scouts a couple of years ago. Did we ever replace them? It doesn't look so at the moment. Hopefully, Pulis will surprise us all in the next couple of weeks. I won't hold my breath :-X
We have 6 full time European scouts
I suspected that we did, but there hasn't been much evidence of the work they are supposed to be doing.
How do you expect this evidence? us publicising our targets and information on players :D :D :D
Signing a player who hasn't spent the vast majority of his career playing in England would be a start
You do realise scouts arent just sent out abroad they scout every player we have a interest in this country.
You do realise scouts arent just sent out abroad they scout every player we have a interest in this country.
If pulis wont sign non british players, what can the scouts do? seriously?
Who is cheap or who is free - the top two criteria for our scouting department
Were never going to splash the cash, might aswell get over it because moaning isnt going to change it. We arent and i doubt we will ever be anything but a club who generates its own money and doesnt spend outside its means.
Fine with me.
Absolutely fine with me aswell. We could/should be able to spend around £40m+ this summer with a slight increase to the wage bill without needing to use funds from Lai. That could get us a very good striker plus 2 or 3 decent players to cover midfield and defence. The problem is the market we choose to shop in it's get us Jay Rodriguez + Troy Deeney with just enough left over to sign Marc Wilson and Joe Ledley type players to fill the squad out
How do you define cash in 'splash the cash'? Didn't we show more than a passing interest in Benteke and Carvallo? We are occasionally prepared to splash the cash but we generally look to do our shopping in Poundland rather than Harrods
How do you define cash in 'splash the cash'? Didn't we show more than a passing interest in Benteke and Carvallo? We are occasionally prepared to splash the cash but we generally look to do our shopping in Poundland rather than Harrods
Well yes, but there is little or no evidence of any work being done by our scouts abroad whilst TP is in charge as, Rondon aside, every signing he has made has been a player who has played in this country.
Because thats the sort of player he likes "experienced" you cant be critical of the scouts when they are only going and watching the players TP and the club want them to
Because thats the sort of player he likes "experienced" you cant be critical of the scouts when they are only going and watching the players TP and the club want them to
I would rather us sign Rodriquez for £12mil than deeney for £35mil.
However I would prefer us to go for Afobe or King from Bournemouth, or have a punt on somebody from outside the uk- but won't happen in a month of Sunday's with pulis in charge.
If we can get the player Southampton had 3 years ago then £12m is an absolute steal. However the chances of that are probably less than 5% and even lower when you consider that even if he never had the injury he would likely struggle to replicate that form in our set up.
We would likely be signing an ok mid lower mid table PL quality player for an over inflated fee thats in line with most PL transfers who will end up scoring between 6-10 goals for us depending on his game time and where he plays.
I'd also like King although Afobe doesn't do much for me. However we have no chance with King as he's worth something to Bournemouth. The only reason Rodriguez is available is because he's no use to Southampton. If Bournemouth we're trying to sign Foster or Evans we would be laughing at them for attempting it or ridiculing the bids like Leicester for Evans. If we stick to the domestic market the vast majority of players will be ones who are deemed not good enough by their current clubs.
With players like Chadli and Evans that's fine but the rest are going to be extremely average at best. Doesn't mean their poor players or even necessarily bad buys but it's just extremely dull at a time when to many everything about the place is stale and boring already.
12 million has got to be a structured deal on his succsess at B71,if it was a straight up 12 it would surely be a done deal and announced quite quickly
So this seems to be getting closer to our first signing. If this guy does sign is that our front line then Rondon, Hal and Jrod? Because If it is it isn't exactly getting pulse racing. Any normal club would by another up top, do people think that's us done upfront?
So this seems to be getting closer to our first signing. If this guy does sign is that our front line then Rondon, Hal and Jrod? Because If it is it isn't exactly getting pulse racing. Any normal club would by another up top, do people think that's us done upfront?
I think one or two posters are forgetting who are head coach is. Innovative formations with wide attackers in them aren't going to happen
Broadly there are 4 options and which option Pulis has in mind defines what else we are going to do.
1. Playing Rodriguez in a rota of lone strikers along with Rondon and Robson-Kanu in either a 4-4-1-1, 4-2-3-1
2. Playing Rodriguez as the 10 in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1
3. Playing Rodriguez as a wide player in a 4-2-3-1
4 Playing him as the second striker in a 4-4-2.
Personally I hate the first option. I cannot see Rodriguez as a lone striker in a Pulis team. He has done it for Southampton but they are a passing team and he doesn't have to chase hopeful balls down the channel if this was the plan we got the wrong Southampton player we should have gone for Long. If we are only playing one up top we don't need another striker. Typically teams that play with these systems have 2 and a spare. If we needed additional cover we should look to Roberts to provide it.
The second option of playing him as a 10 is a lot better than as a lone striker. However we would need to get an additional target man in as cover for Rondon. Equally we wouldn't need both Morrison or Chadli whose best position is behind the striker.
Wide in a 4-2-3-1 is possibly worse than the lone striker option our wide players don't see enough of the ball in the final 1/3 and sit too deep most of the time to impact the game in an attacking sense.
A 4-4-2 with Fletcher out of the picture it might be possible to get the necessary box to box midfielder in to make this work. Again another striker would be required even possibly 2 and then there is the question of what do we do with Chadli and Morrison.
I think he can fill in a number of positions and as such could be an asset, however to make a real impact he needs to have a position in the team where his skill set works to our best advantage, I see that as being a withdrawn striker which has some implications for the rest of the window.
All this assumes that we'll actually sign the bloke!
As always, it is all about balance. The 4-2-3-1 last season looked good when Morrison and Phillips were running in beyond Rondon. I personally have always liked the balance of the 3 behind the striker in this formation to consist of a play maker that comes inside and short to create, a player who runs beyond the striker and another that can pick it up in space and drive us forward. Chadli, Rodriguez and Phillips could fill those roles hopefully.
Only thing is Burnley are rumoured to be selling Keane to Everton. So they will have money to spend.
Hope he goes Burnley, £14m for an injury-prone Southampton reject. Awful business.
If Burnley are willing to offload Andre Gray to buy Rodriguez then I'd far rather we buy Gray!
Sure i read in a paper that Gray wants £100,000 a week at Burnley :o. He is currently on £25,000. Thats probably why they want rid.
More excited about this than the Deeney connection thats for sure+1,take out Deeney's penalty's and he's bang average and no better goal scorer than Rondon
If he is coming then he will have to get past a West Brom medical, and I for one am thankful that we have an excellent team in place for that. We could have been saddled with a right turkey from West Ham if it had not been for them.
I am sure they will be very thorough with his cruciate......
Unwanted fourth choice striker from a club we allegedly are in competition with for a lower top-half place. Ummmm maybe a better player but rather reminds me of the Anichabe signing.
What!? Im sorry but have you ever seen Rodriguez play? That comment has completley threw me.Providing we can keep him fit JR will do well here IMO , decent finisher which we lack.
What!? Im sorry but have you ever seen Rodriguez play? That comment has completley threw me.
I know the prices have gone up and up, but I still think £14 million for an injury-plagued forward who has never set the world alight at this level is far too much. We could go abroad and pick up a player of his level for half that, and probably less wages, which would allow us some wriggle-room on other deals.
He isn't a bad player, but even in the inflated market today, I don't think he's a £14 million player.
I know the prices have gone up and up, but I still think £14 million for an injury-plagued forward who has never set the world alight at this level is far too much. We could go abroad and pick up a player of his level for half that, and probably less wages, which would allow us some wriggle-room on other deals.
He isn't a bad player, but even in the inflated market today, I don't think he's a £14 million player.
If he is coming then he will have to get past a West Brom medical, and I for one am thankful that we have an excellent team in place for that. We could have been saddled with a right turkey from West Ham if it had not been for them.
I am sure they will be very thorough with his cruciate......
Can't believe some are turning their noses up at this potential signing. He's a very good technical player who knows how to finish and is good with his feet.
I'd argue we'd need to update our tactics and system to accommodate however as he's not exactly a target man. Although that tactic hasn't really worked for our current strikers either so not sure why we persist with it
Can't believe some are turning their noses up at this potential signing. He's a very good technical player who knows how to finish and is good with his feet.
I'd argue we'd need to update our tactics and system to accommodate however as he's not exactly a target man. Although that tactic hasn't really worked for our current strikers either so not sure why we persist with it
What!? Im sorry but have you ever seen Rodriguez play? That comment has completley threw me.
Probably because he's injury-prone, way overpriced and 4th choice for a club we are supposed to be in direct competition with.
Add in the fact that he is not a Pulis-type striker and would probably be less effective than Rondon when he's getting balls lumped at his throat and the thought of spunking 1/3 of our transfer budget on him doesn't make me jump for joy.
got a 1/4 strike rate at premier league level, played 104 times scoring 26 goals.Depends where you get your stats from. In actual fact Rodriguez played a total of 885 minutes Premier league last season, scoring 5 goals and making 2 assists. Substantially better stats than Rondon i would say.
fractionally better than Rondon who has scored 17 goals in 71 matches
Depends where you get your stats from. In actual fact Rodriguez played a total of 885 minutes Premier league last season, scoring 5 goals and making 2 assists. Substantially better stats than Rondon i would say.
For the record Salomon played 2896 minutes for his 8 goals and 2 assists.
Wait til J-Rod gets in a Pulis team, that'll sort out his goal per minute ratio...Or you could look at it another way and say that our medical team could really improve his stats, but no...... easier to bash Pulis.
Wait til J-Rod gets in a Pulis team, that'll sort out his goal per minute ratio...
Probably because he's injury-prone, way overpriced and 4th choice for a club we are supposed to be in direct competition with.
Add in the fact that he is not a Pulis-type striker and would probably be less effective than Rondon when he's getting balls lumped at his throat and the thought of spunking 1/3 of our transfer budget on him doesn't make me jump for joy.
Or you could look at it another way and say that our medical team could really improve his stats, but no...... easier to bash Pulis.
Depends where you get your stats from. In actual fact Rodriguez played a total of 885 minutes Premier league last season, scoring 5 goals and making 2 assists. Substantially better stats than Rondon i would say.they are his total official prem league stats not one season. ::)
For the record Salomon played 2896 minutes for his 8 goals and 2 assists.
So we basically shouldn't be trying to sign any strikers then because of our head coach?
No, we should be trying to sign strikers that suit his style of football. What is an isolated Jay Rodriguez going to offer that an isolated Salomon Rondon can't?
Just wondering... have you seen us play during the past year? If you were a premier league attacking midfielder or striker, could you pick a worse team to sign for than us?Yes I am a season ticket holder , and there are 10 teams worse than us
they are his total official prem league stats not one season. ::)Yes but 38 of those 104 games have been as sub and many of them for only a few minutes
That's the issue though. We already tried that with Rondon and it hasn't exactly worked very well either. Maybe a new striker might prompt a bit of a change in style. .Who's to say we won't play both up front , TP has said he might change our set up if he can get the right players in
Yes but 38 of those 104 games have been as sub and many of them for only a few minuteswhy is that? a player who is on the subs bench 40% of the time suggests he's not good enough to get a starting place or coming back from injury regularly.
A real worry is why is he not good enough for the Saints?
it's not always that someone isn't good enough, it could be that they don't suit a managers particular style of play.
being "not good enough" doesn't mean they won't be good at another team.
maybe Southampton are letting him go as they have a surplus of strikers and want to free up funds? They may have decided that the striker they want to get rid of is the one that has had a serious injury.
As for this notion that he isn't a Pulis type player how come the interest is driven by Pulis (he has said in a few interviews that he'd like to get him)? is Pulis identifying and trying to sign non Pulis type players now?
I agree that just because a player isn't getting game time at a club doesn't make him a bad player. In this instance Rodriguez did play for Southampton last season, but in circumstances where a player had virtually zero minutes particularly when they are in their 30' s I'd be very concerned about the signing.
Southampton are above all else a trading club which the buying and selling of players is central to their model. They don't let players go into the last year of their contract either they sign an extension or they sell them and Rodriguez falls into that category.
However as Pulis buying unpulis like players he does. Chester was never a Pulis centre half and no one could figure it out at the time but then it came apparent that he bought him as full back. Chadli is another and that is hardly a success.
Jay Rodriguez is not the typical lone centre forward which is why I don't think Pulis will buy him with that role in mind which is why I also think/hope there is another forward in the pipeline. It is also why I think Chadli might leave in part to fund it but also because his languid skills really aren't utilised in a Pulis side.
Yes I am a season ticket holder , and there are 10 teams worse than us
There may be 10 worse teams than us last season, but the question was is there a worse team for attacking players. Creative players don't get the freedom to play and express themselves, they get shunted out wide and told to play in a rigid way. A striker who wants goal bonuses throughout the season won't play for us because they won't get many chances - they will pretty much have to score 50% of their chances to get about 15 goals. And they'll be plowing a lone furrow most of the season.
If I was a forward, I wouldn't sign for us, even supporting us.
Rodriguez is 27 not in his 30's.just don't see Pulis picking a team consisting Rondon, Chadli, Rodriguez & possibly Phillips. that would only leave space for 6 defensive players plus a goalie. :(
With regard to Chester; Pulis bought him as you rightly say to play as a fullback, that in itself is a very Pulis thing to do; convert centre halves into Fullbacks (or at least try to).
My (rather glib) point was that any player Pulis wants, must be by definition, a Pulis type player.
I agree about Rodriguez as a lone striker although I do think his mobility and skill level will make him better at it than a lot of people think, I think he will find space a lot better than Rondon does/can. I expect Rodriguez will start out wide left allowing Chadli to play in the middle behind Rondon (or whoever).
Having skillful pacy players alongside/around him will definitely benefit Chadli and I don't think he will leave.
just don't see Pulis picking a team consisting Rondon, Chadli, Rodriguez & possibly Phillips. that would only leave space for 6 defensive players plus a goalie. :(Rotation?
Rotation?obviously it then wouldn't consist Rondon, Chadli , Phillips and Rodriguez which is what I was pointing out.
obviously it then wouldn't consist Rondon, Chadli , Phillips and Rodriguez which is what I was pointing out.
12m Fee agreed according to John PercyWoo!!
Livermore sitting deep behind them paired with another defensive midfielder doesn't sound too bad to me
Why does everyone think he'll play up front on his own .TP as always said if he had the players he would change the system. Palace were very attack minded under Pullis . Think we could be surprised .
Why does everyone think he'll play up front on his own .TP as always said if he had the players he would change the system. Palace were very attack minded under Pullis . Think we could be surprised .
Disappointed, not what we need imo. £12m is a hell of a lot if he's not a guaranteed starter. I'm just hoping he'll be left of the three in behind Rondon, allowing Chadli to take his best central position. I fear he is direct competition with Rondon, and I can't see him being a noticeable improvement in a Pulis set up - either way we'd have a £12m player stuck on the bench.in real monetary terms a straight swap for Saido,whats not to like about it,a far better player which in effect has cost us zilch.its what we now do with the real transfer budget
There may be 10 worse teams than us last season, but the question was is there a worse team for attacking players. Creative players don't get the freedom to play and express themselves, they get shunted out wide and told to play in a rigid way. A striker who wants goal bonuses throughout the season won't play for us because they won't get many chances - they will pretty much have to score 50% of their chances to get about 15 goals. And they'll be plowing a lone furrow most of the season.
If I was a forward, I wouldn't sign for us, even supporting us.
If Rondon scored 50% of his chances he'd have got 82 goals. We do create chances, just need a bit more quality to put them away
If you think Rondon had 164 clear chances last season then I'd find a better stats site mate.
Rodriguez best form has came when he's played left mid Cutting in on his rightIf we get top 4 with that lot then it would be exciting :P
Rondon
Rodriguez chadli Phillips
Exciting top 4
obviously it then wouldn't consist Rondon, Chadli , Phillips and Rodriguez which is what I was pointing out.Well yes it is obvious! We need more options and everyone knows he would not put a side out which you posted. He will balance the sid out to get results.That is his job.
Well yes it is obvious! We need more options and everyone knows he would not put a side out which you posted. He will balance the sid out to get results.That is his job.another poster said it would be good to see all four play, I made the point saying Pulis wont play all four at the same time.
I have to say, I think this is going to be an excellent signing for us. if it wasn't for his major injury, this kid would have a great record and would be out of our reach.
Innovative unveil from the club too.
On'the'plus'side,if'there'are'add'on's,it'means'he's'doing'ok,
Has anyone ever seen Jay Rodriguez and James Morrison in the same room? Just saying!!I was thinking similar....the media and refs have enough trouble with Dawson and G-Mac
Happy with this, established pro, different type of forward to what we already have. Assume we have done due diligence on fitness.
£12m rising to £15m with 'add ons' [for the want of a better phrase]And don't it make a change for us.
Depending on what they are I hope it does cost us 15 as it will mean that he has been a success :)
All of a sudden we are all chirpy again!
And don't it make a change for us.
It does really Kev, I don't think TP is known for entering the market too early so again it is just something slightly different that suggests the new regime may be taking it seriously.
I know that we have been linked with everybody and his dog recently, but now that the International market is open and everyone is back off holiday, we are being linked to a couple of interesting names. Happy days!
I even detected 'happiness' from Fritzl.......
Most definitely. He is the one British signing I could get behind as I have seen the player he can be before his injury.
Now can we look abroad and get some good value for money in the remainder pls ;D
If we can keep him fit and if he gets a run of games this will be a very astute signing.
However I’m not sure where he will fit into our side. His best season was when he played in a front three at Southampton, with Lambert playing through the centre, Rodriguez was slightly off him on the left side and Lallana on the right. A similar front 3 including him Rondon, Chadli or Phillips could do some real damage but I just can’t see Pulis playing such a formation.
You would say the four of them on the pitch at the same time would be our best bet as an attacking force, with Livermore and another in the holding role, but I sadly do not see Pulis employing it. Far too attacking for his tastes.
Good to have the real Fritzl back......... :)
So where do we think he fits?
We can't have paid so much for a Robson-Kanu replacement to sit on the bench. He isn't a Pulis-type striker, so I can't see him getting the nod as a lone striker.
That means wide left. But Pulis likes McClean, so is this a sign we now consider Brunt as a left-back full time?
Judging by Pulis's comments today it looks as if he has been brought mainly as a wide player who can fill in as a striker and not the other way round.
Exactly what I was hoping for, I can get behind the signing more now I've heard that.Phillips - Chadli - Rodriguez
Rondon
With Morrison, McClean, Brunt and HRK able to rotate in through form and fitness.
Exactly what I was hoping for, I can get behind the signing more now I've heard that.Phillips - Chadli - Rodriguez
Rondon
With Morrison, McClean, Brunt and HRK able to rotate in through form and fitness.
You would think he has to play that, but knowing our TP as well as we do now, I think only three of the four will start with another defensive mid in there
each one of Chadli, Jay, and Rondon cost double digits millions to bring to The Hawthorns. How can a club with a limited budget afford not to start those players on a consistent basis? The only one who doesn't match this description is Phillips and he should be an unquestioned starter. There's a lot of transfer window left but as of right now how can TP justify spending the money to bring these guys in but not starting them all?He may well start them all and it wouldn't be too different to what we had at times last season with Rondon, Phillips, Chadli and McClean/Brunt. There will be times when a £12m player is left out which would be a good sign for strength in depth.
each one of Chadli, Jay, and Rondon cost double digits millions to bring to The Hawthorns. How can a club with a limited budget afford not to start those players on a consistent basis? The only one who doesn't match this description is Phillips and he should be an unquestioned starter. There's a lot of transfer window left but as of right now how can TP justify spending the money to bring these guys in but not starting them all?
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Also a price tag shouldn't justify a starting place. If they're playing poorly it's good to have some competition to be able to rotate
So where do we think he fits?
We can't have paid so much for a Robson-Kanu replacement to sit on the bench. He isn't a Pulis-type striker, so I can't see him getting the nod as a lone striker.
That means wide left. But Pulis likes McClean, so is this a sign we now consider Brunt as a left-back full time?
Judging by Pulis's comments today it looks as if he has been brought mainly as a wide player who can fill in as a striker and not the other way round.If he plays wide left in a front 3, as he did for Saints, it is a great signing.
Two things firstly fees plus wages are the real cost to the club, and secondly we have to get the money on the pitch.Being picky but form has to come into it though....in September Chadli may be playing at his best which means he's picked ahead of McClean. In November Chadli may be off the boil so McClean is picked (which doesn't mean we shouldn't have bought Chadli). You could argue in that case that we should have bought someone instead of Chadli who's always good but in reality.....
Players should be selected on merit but if we are playing McClean ahead of Chadli,Rodriguez or even Philips that's not a sign of strength it means we spent the money on the wrong players.
Ultimately I can't help thinking this will boil down to a choice between Chadli and Rodriguez.
Two things firstly fees plus wages are the real cost to the club, and secondly we have to get the money on the pitch.
Players should be selected on merit but if we are playing McClean ahead of Chadli,Rodriguez or even Philips that's not a sign of strength it means we spent the money on the wrong players.
Ultimately I can't help thinking this will boil down to a choice between Chadli and Rodriguez.
not sure about this one , started of a promising career , then injuries have taken their toll, to be honest we are taking another 12m gamble on a player that may or may not do the business, my yardstick is always , how many other clubs in the premiership are competing for his signature, not a lot, if any I would much rather take a shot on a young unknown who has just started making his way, it would certainly be a lot cheaper and therefore less of a gamble, mind you when we do sign such a player we loan him out for 2 years with no real control over his development. why is it that other clubs in the premiership s seem to find these types of players and all we seem to get is the players that nobody else wants.
not sure about this one , started of a promising career , then injuries have taken their toll, to be honest we are taking another 12m gamble on a player that may or may not do the business, my yardstick is always , how many other clubs in the premiership are competing for his signature, not a lot, if any I would much rather take a shot on a young unknown who has just started making his way, it would certainly be a lot cheaper and therefore less of a gamble, mind you when we do sign such a player we loan him out for 2 years with no real control over his development. why is it that other clubs in the premiership s seem to find these types of players and all we seem to get is the players that nobody else wants.
I wonder how far from match fit he his. It's always frustrating when a new signing doesn't make the match squad or team until November and TP talks about the good work going on with the physios, needs a few more reserve games etc. Hopefully a full pre-season will be enough to have him ready for the first match.
I wonder how far from match fit he his. It's always frustrating when a new signing doesn't make the match squad or team until November and TP talks about the good work going on with the physios, needs a few more reserve games etc. Hopefully a full pre-season will be enough to have him ready for the first match.
I wonder how far from match fit he his. It's always frustrating when a new signing doesn't make the match squad or team until November and TP talks about the good work going on with the physios, needs a few more reserve games etc. Hopefully a full pre-season will be enough to have him ready for the first match.I see people make comments and jokes about this all the time but it's a bit of a myth really. The 'hasn't had a pre season' line is used as a stick to hit Pulis with but it only ever actually applies to players who haven't actually had one. Not a dig at you at all but I see so many fans say this about our targets when they have obviously been training at their current club. I don't think any of the 5 players who joined last year had any real issues bar HRK who hadn't trained all summer as a free agent. He only missed one game as well and was involved by mid September. The summer before the only one was Gnabry who missed big chunks of the Arsenal pre season with injury.
Think he benefited from having the ball largely played to his feet as opposed to receiving it at neck height.
Played well, more of the same please.
Firstly don't forget he scored in the previous game.
This will probably become like the Chadli argument.....J-Rod has played a lot coming in off the left in the past and whoever plays there has to track back.
Wasted out wide being forced to track back. Needs to play up top or as a No.10 and we see the best out of him.100% agree and if he doesn't that will be another good player ruined by Pulis.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/10/17/gareth-southgate-considers-england-recall-jay-rodriguez/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
on the verge of an England recall according to the Perce 8)
Wasted out wide being forced to track back. Needs to play up top or as a No.10 and we see the best out of him.
Needs to play centrally for me, ideally as the lone striker with Chadli behind, Phillips and Brunt on the flanks and we may start playing it on the floor.
I've just come in from work and read on teletext that according to the Telegraph Southgate is considering recalling Rodriguez into his squad!There's hope for me yet, better start polishing me Gola!
There's hope for me yet, better start polishing me Gola!Don't get me wrong I like Rodriguez, but I think a call up for England is a bit much! At the moment, the player who should be on the radar though is Gibbs
Don't get me wrong I like Rodriguez, but I think a call up for England is a bit much! At the moment, the player who should be on the radar though is GibbsIf true, it just shows how ridiculous the England selection process is.
Made a bad hash of what was the best chance of the match for either side. Needs to take a split second before pulling the trigger.
Predicted at the start of the season it would take 10 games until people started turning on him.
Much like Rondon and Chadli, having the most defensive coach in the country is obviously going to make our attacking players seem worse than they are.
All three are good enough to start for mid table/bottom half premiership sides, judging on their careers before coming to us and their performances in an Albion shirt, when you adjust for the tactics we play.
Thought rondon and Rodriguez looked very good together when jrod moved up front. That one two where rondon had his volley blocked was excellent. Could be a great partnership.
Kanu would be in over him every day for me but what do I know...
Kanu would be in over him every day for me but what do I know...
J-Rod is clearly the better player out of the two. He's just being wasted on the wing as he isn't a winger and certainly shouldn't be wasting half the game tracking back. HRK gets away with it as he has a good engine.
Maybe the Jay Rod of 4/5 years ago but since his injury he hasn't performed consistently in the premier league and is still riding the wave of his 1 good top flight season. I feel we carry more of a threat with Kanu on the pitch then Jay Rod.
He was complimenting those players. In his pre match press conference you'd have put your mortgage on Krychowiak coming into the side in place of Field.
He will assess the squad this week and next. With, for me, only Foster Evans and Rondon guaranteed starters.
Why?I don't know why he comes on a forum mate, he only as his own opinions no one else's matter he never takes notice of or agrees with anyone, thinks he knows it all!
He hasn't played In a wining league team for us yet, you said Pulis was staying till the end of the season, you said that Greg would be back in , you probably said trump had no chance.
Why?
He hasn't played In a wining league team for us yet, you said Pulis was staying till the end of the season, you said that Greg would be back in , you probably said trump had no chance.
I'm going to guess Jacko means this part of his pre match presser...TBF that bit from Pardew just states he respects where they are/previous experience, not that he has a preference..
"They're very, very different players; one with international and Champions League experience, one a youth team player coming through the ranks having just scored his first goal for the Football Club. I will look at them with that in mind as well as what they do on the training ground because you have to respect players who have achieved things and achieved certain standards.Going forward, I hope to get the best out of both of them. Where they are at the weekend? You'll have to wait and see."
I'm the first to call Jacko out when he posts nonsense, Pulis finishing ahead of Silva with us this season being the main one, but he would be right in this instance, and is right more often than not.
Yawn Zippy, you live in a Football manager fantasy world, your only purpose on here is for our derision. As for 59, listen to the press conference, you rate Yacob so you can't be as clueless as you appear to be.Edgbaston actually, please let me know who the "our" refers too....or are you once again self promoting your views as gospel?
Right lads , a bit less digging at each other please , grown men and all that.
All players should have a clean slate under Pardew except McClean in my opinion. Rodriguez will be fine for us. Takes more than one game to get your attacking intent and confidence back.
Laughable how far back Rodriguez was playing for us towards the end of Pulis term her.
All players should have a clean slate under Pardew except McClean in my opinion. Rodriguez will be fine for us. Takes more than one game to get your attacking intent and confidence back.
Laughable how far back Rodriguez was playing for us towards the end of Pulis term her.
All players should have a clean slate under Pardew except McClean in my opinion. Rodriguez will be fine for us. Takes more than one game to get your attacking intent and confidence back.
Laughable how far back Rodriguez was playing for us towards the end of Pulis term her.
Sorry but McCleans cost us too many times this season. I’d get rid in Jan. I like the bloke but he isn’t suited to PL football.
Sorry but McCleans cost us too many times this season. I’d get rid in Jan. I like the bloke but he isn’t suited to PL football.
In my opinion we need to get Rodriguez up front and leading the line. Drop Rondon to the bench and bring him on if we are chasing the game.I agree with you 100% as you say if he's in the box he will score that's where he should be, not out wide!
With Rodriguez up front, get Brunt and Phillips (when hes back) on the wings, with Chadli in behind. Stop lumping balls up the pitch.
Get players up the pitch and in the box. Get Rodriguez the ball in the box and i think he'll score.
I agree with you 100% as you say if he's in the box he will score that's where he should be, not out wide!
In my opinion we need to get Rodriguez up front and leading the line. Drop Rondon to the bench and bring him on if we are chasing the game.Thought against Bournemouth he was good in the role yet got bullied at Burnley the next week doing the same.
With Rodriguez up front, get Brunt and Phillips (when hes back) on the wings, with Chadli in behind. Stop lumping balls up the pitch.
Get players up the pitch and in the box. Get Rodriguez the ball in the box and i think he'll score.
Thought against Bournemouth he was good in the role yet got bullied at Burnley the next week doing the same.
After the promise of the first few games, he's gone badly off the boil. His problem is it's not clear whether he's a winger, no.10, centre forward or what?
After the promise of the first few games, he's gone badly off the boil. His problem is it's not clear whether he's a winger, no.10, centre forward or what?Needs to play up top for me, not on the wing.
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:
He's a centre forward, but he's been crippled by injury, sadly he's just not good enough/sharp enough in any of the positions you've mentioned. He doesn't have an outstanding attribute, he's not got real pace, isn't strong, not a technical player (the song we sing about him doesn't remotely scan for example), poor in the air and not a clinical finisher. He's an all rounder that would suit a Championship team where you get 7 - 10 good chances a game.
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:
Rodriguez (Southampton) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIhMpdNtrU)
Rodriguez (Burnley) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbY02HJLDU)
I appreciate that he's had a very bad injury since the above took place, but to me the goals in the videos suggest that he's at his most effective when running on to through balls. I imagine he's barely had a through ball played to him all season, but AP will inevitably look to play to Rodriguez's strengths and start trying to get him onto the end of some through balls. If that happens and he keeps missing, criticise him by all means, but we've got a player here who scored 17 goals in 39 games in the Premier League in 2013-14, so to infer he's no better than Championship standard isn't justified really.
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:
Rodriguez (Southampton) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIhMpdNtrU)
Rodriguez (Burnley) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbY02HJLDU)
I appreciate that he's had a very bad injury since the above took place, but to me the goals in the videos suggest that he's at his most effective when running on to through balls. I imagine he's barely had a through ball played to him all season, but AP will inevitably look to play to Rodriguez's strengths and start trying to get him onto the end of some through balls. If that happens and he keeps missing, criticise him by all means, but we've got a player here who scored 17 goals in 39 games in the Premier League in 2013-14, so to infer he's no better than Championship standard isn't justified really.
Have two Southampton fan friends down here and they both had the same thoughts when we signed himHear what your saying but £25 might get you Troy Deeney, a truly marquee cf will be nearer £40m, unless we turn up a foreign gem
'Hes ok but he's not worth the money you paid for him'
In hindsight I wish we had used the combined money we spent on J-Rod + Burke (So like around £25 mill) and gone out and signed a marque number 9
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:
Rodriguez (Southampton) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIhMpdNtrU)
Rodriguez (Burnley) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbY02HJLDU)
I appreciate that he's had a very bad injury since the above took place, but to me the goals in the videos suggest that he's at his most effective when running on to through balls. I imagine he's barely had a through ball played to him all season, but AP will inevitably look to play to Rodriguez's strengths and start trying to get him onto the end of some through balls. If that happens and he keeps missing, criticise him by all means, but we've got a player here who scored 17 goals in 39 games in the Premier League in 2013-14, so to infer he's no better than Championship standard isn't justified really.
Their right back didn't help running the length of the pitch to get in the referee's faceI think Bruno actually went over as mediator/ translator. Certainly didn’t look like he went over for anything nasty.
Could have been saying his performance stank. This kind of thing happens all over the pitch, can't go crying to the ref over ever little thing said.
It's interesting that racism is the first thing everyone thinks of when it comes to accusations. You can't tell me that racism is more present now than it was years ago. You don't get people throwing bananas at players, you don't hear racist chants. So if anything, surely there's less than before?
Watched on tv and he quite obviously said to Bong his breath stinks after Bong got in his face, as for Bruno getting involved, the red called him over as he’s brighton’s Captain
Complaint made by black player about white player. That's why racism is assumed. Also there isn't much else that warrants a complaint to the authorities.
It looked like he told him his breath stunk from the replay I saw haha
Fair enough IMO.
If somebody's breath stinks it stinks :P
God I remember the last snog I had, it's bringing back memories all this
James Nursey from the Mirror was at the game and gave a report with player ratings.
Incredibly he has given Rodriguez the man of the match?! not sure he was watching the same game as the rest of us...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/west-brom-2-0-brighton-11840984
It looked a lot like "he's a f***ing racist" from Bong to the ref. If there wasn't any racism he deserves a fine or something. Didn't look like Jrod said anything, more just the smelly gesture.
What happens when he is proved to be innocent, does bong get to just get in with things?
The problem is bong is from the Cameroon and from what Trump said in the week about Africa countries being s***eholes it was a silly gesture to make.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2iujqw.png)
There was an altercation and words exchanged. J-Rod was holding his nose and implying Bong stank. Bong then got very upset and was running to ref complaining vermontly, clearly accusing J-Rod of racism. The ref called Bruno over to tell Bong to calm down. He then went to the fourth official and updated him on what was alleged to have been said and it was written down and shared with both benches. You could clearly make out Bong saying to the ref "I swear he said it" over and over. He calmed down once the ref explained he would be including it in his report. J-Rod looked bemused throughout. It's going to come down to two versions of events. Most likely Bong overreacted to an insult, or misheard. The FA will take is seriously as the allegations are toxic but I don't see any evidence to condemn or punish J-Rod.
I'd love to know what you base this on?
I'd love to know what you base this on?You could clearly see him say to the ref he's racist, and Rodriguez replying I'm not racist. I honesty don't think there was anything in it despite what some people think/ hope it was just in my opinion don't come to close you stink.
The problem is bong is from the Cameroon and from what Trump said in the week about Africa countries being s***eholes it was a silly gesture to make.
You could clearly see him say to the ref he's racist, and Rodriguez replying I'm not racist. I honesty don't think there was anything in it despite what some people think/ hope it was just in my opinion don't come to close you stink.
The problem is bong is from the Cameroon and from what Trump said in the week about Africa countries being s***eholes it was a silly gesture to make.This is totally ridiculous and posts like this feed the idiots that want to make something of nothing
(http://i66.tinypic.com/33w426r.png)what he's tweeted doesn't make sense! big difference accusing Rodriguez saying you stink because your black, and him saying he made the gesture because I'm black. One implies the colour of skin was mentioned the others just paranoia.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/bong-accuses-rodriguez-of-saying-youre-black-and-you-stink-598fxr6nm
Gaëtan Bong is alleging that he was racially abused by Jay Rodriguez with the words “you’re black and you stink†during his Brighton & Hove Albion side’s 2-0 defeat by West Bromwich Albion yesterday. The FA confirmed today that it has opened an investigation into Bong’s allegations, which were immediately relayed to Martin Atkinson, the referee, and are vehemently denied by Rodriguez.
Bong reacted angrily and immediately complained to Atkinson after a 56th-minute clash with Rodriguez, during which the former Southampton striker pinched his own nose. The referee spoke to both players before passing on details of the allegations to the fourth official, Tony Harrington. Rodriguez is believed to have denied saying anything of a racist nature at the time and repeated his stance when questioned again after the game at the Hawthorns. The 28-year-old’s version of events is understood to be that he used the words “your breath stinks†to Bong as he pinched his nose.
Bong is standing by his allegations however, which will now be investigated by the FA. The Cameroon international is regarded as one of the quietest and calmest players in Chris Hughton’s side so there was considerable shock among his team-mates at the anger of his response to the Rodriguez incident, and the club are convinced that he believed he heard what he has alleged.
Bong remained upset and bewildered by the incident on the journey back to Brighton yesterday and expressed his anger on Twitter without giving any further details. “Some words should not be said on a football field and specially not by players,†the 29-year-old tweeted. “Rodriguez words are unforgiveable for the man I am.â€
West Brom are supporting Rodriguez, with Alan Pardew saying that he would be “surprised if it is anything†after the game, but are co-operating with the FA’s inquiries. Both clubs are happy with the way the flare-up was handled by Atkinson, who after speaking to both players took no action on the field but included the incident in his referee’s report.
Atkinson also spoke to Hughton, Pardew and Bong in his changing room after the game before completing his report. The clash took place near the corner flag with no one else in the immediate vicinity so verifying exactly what was said is likely to prove difficult.
The FA spoke to both clubs yesterday and before confirming it has opened an investigation. The governing body’s disciplinary department is already looking into claims that Roberto Firmino racially abused Mason Holgate during Liverpool’s FA Cup win over Everton nine days ago.
“The FA can confirm that referee Martin Atkinson was made aware of an allegation during the West Bromwich Albion versus Brighton & Hove Albion game at The Hawthorns yesterday and has subsequently reported this to the FA, which will now begin making enquiries into the matter,†the FA statement read.
The video of the interview if anyone is interested: https://twitter.com/SFR_Sport/status/952653555034460162
what he's tweeted doesn't make sense! big difference accusing Rodriguez saying you stink because your black, and him saying he made the gesture because I'm black. One implies the colour of skin was mentioned the others just paranoia.Exactly
I personally think Bong is lying. I think he tried to get J-Rod sent off and when it didn't work felt like he had to follow through with the lie. J-Rod clearly gestured that Bong had stink breath but I didn't see anything on the TV images that showed him mouthing anything like what he has been accused of.
On the day of Cyrille's passing, it's a very sad indictment of modern football, that a racism accusation to try and get someone sent off would be unpunished if no evidence is found. Compare that to what the 3 degrees went through!
If Jay Rodriguez is found guilty of actually saying what he accused of saying, he should be banned and his contract terminated. However, all of the available footage shows nothing of that, only the "breath stinks" and gesture, in which case the Brighton player should be sanctioned accordingly. Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.
Bong also runs the risk, as mentioned by others, of stopping those who are being abused from coming forward.
On the day of Cyrille's passing, it's a very sad indictment of modern football, that a racism accusation to try and get someone sent off would be unpunished if no evidence is found. Compare that to what the 3 degrees went through!
If Jay Rodriguez is found guilty of actually saying what he accused of saying, he should be banned and his contract terminated. However, all of the available footage shows nothing of that, only the "breath stinks" and gesture, in which case the Brighton player should be sanctioned accordingly. Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.
Bong also runs the risk, as mentioned by others, of stopping those who are being abused from coming forward.
On the day of Cyrille's passing, it's a very sad indictment of modern football, that a racism accusation to try and get someone sent off would be unpunished if no evidence is found. Compare that to what the 3 degrees went through!
If Jay Rodriguez is found guilty of actually saying what he accused of saying, he should be banned and his contract terminated. However, all of the available footage shows nothing of that, only the "breath stinks" and gesture, in which case the Brighton player should be sanctioned accordingly. Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.
Bong also runs the risk, as mentioned by others, of stopping those who are being abused from coming forward.
Sorry to disagree, "Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.
Its very different, If Jay is found guilty of diving its forgotten in 2 weeks, find him guilty of being a racist and he is tarred for life, you are above suggesting terminating his contract (if found guilty) for example.
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If he has said "your black and you stink" id hope he never turns out in the blue and white stripes again.No evidence to suggest he did at all. And you are bang out of order mentioning this on the Cyrille Regis thread as well.
If he has said "your black and you stink" id hope he never turns out in the blue and white stripes again.
No evidence to suggest he did at all. And you are bang out of order mentioning this on the Cyrille Regis thread as well.
If he has said "your black and you stink" id hope he never turns out in the blue and white stripes again.
amd whys that?Because my Friend and our great striker as passed and there was no need for your comment about the club and rasism keep it to this thread if you must.
Because my Friend and our great striker as passed and there was no need for your comment about the club and rasism keep it to this thread if you must.
Thanks Jacko appreciated
Totally agree I asked for a post to be removed earlier. Heard your call to WM, heartfelt and raw emotion. Did him justice.
Anyone know the latest on this one? Appears to have all gone quiet in the last few days..heard nothing about the incident from the Merseyside derby, that happened well before the Rodriguez one.
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.
Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.
Very proud.
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.
Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.
Very proud.
He also had his best game today since August. Well played Jay.
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.
Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.
Very proud.
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.Absolutely correct - the reactions of both him and Rondon, although completely different, were both a credit to them and to the club. Fingers crossed that McCarthy can recover from this injury. It was a very brave challenge and he deserves to come back from it.
Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.
He's had horrendous injury problems. Sometimes it takes quite a run of games to get your match sharpness back. He's looking a real player at last as is Greg to needed time to settle in England.Yes that's fair comment, the premier league is so quick and such a high level it's difficult to hit your top level straight away after a long injury lay off.
I think last night suggests that to get the best out Jay Rodriguez play him as a Centre Forward and play the ball to feet.
We have tried to fit him in a variety of roles and that has had mixed results to say the least. I'm not convinced by him in the 10 role behind Rondon but given our limited options it might be the best option we have at the moment.
Yeah our attack worked really well last night without Rondon on the pitch. Funny that.
Considering Kanu added nothing to the game I'd suggest we would have been even more comfortable had Rondon started alongside Rodriguez.
Yeah our attack worked really well last night without Rondon on the pitch. Funny that.What did HRK do before he went off?
Kanu was instrumental in the opening goal for a start.
Exactly what I was thinking, wonder what the result would of been with jay as sub and rondon playing,we would probably be saying well he held the ball up well if only that went in of the post. I'm not convinced by rondon at all.
If you mean he got out of Rodriguez' way then I guess you're right... but if you're taking it further and suggesting he drew the defender away and created the space you're giving him far too much credit. Liverpool are wide open at the heart of central defence and the gap was there anyway.
I said same last night best games when rondon not played . 2 great goals
Any news on the fa taking action or not?
@PaulSuartWBA
Breaking: West Brom striker Jay Rodriguez charged with use of 'abusive and/or insulting words which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race'. Concerns an incident involving Gaetan Bong during the Brighton game last month. Has ten days to respond. #wba
ALBION remain fully supportive of Jay Rodriguez after he was charged by the FA following an incident during the club's Premier League victory over Brighton & Hove Albion on Saturday, January 13.
It is alleged the Baggies striker used abusive and/or insulting words which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race.
Richard Garlick, Albion’s Director of Football Administration, said: “As a Club we remain fully supportive and committed to backing Jay throughout this process."
Jay has until February 16 to respond to the charge.
A charge is just that, so any inference on guilt should be set aside for now.I wouldn't necessarily come to that conclusion. In any allegation of racism, I think that the authorities feel (probably correctly) that they have to be seen to be going through the correct procedures thoroughly and fairly. It would have been very hard for them to dismiss it out of hand. Let's just wait and see what the outcome is.It's still perfectly possible that he will be cleared.
If however he is subsequently found guilty, the history of our club dictates he should never wear the shirt again.
There must be more footage/witness statements than we've had access to for it to get this far imo.
A charge is just that, so any inference on guilt should be set aside for now.
If however he is subsequently found guilty, the history of our club dictates he should never wear the shirt again.
There must be more footage/witness statements than we've had access to for it to get this far imo.
Stunned and really disappointed with the clubs response, they should have said they backed Jay fully against these false allegations.Read the statement again.
Read the statement again.
Ask yourself this: why did the ref not take action during the game?
No one heard it. No one saw it. One player claims something has been said. There's no evidence it happened.
I was racially abused/threatened SIX times in college, and each time there were between 2-10 witnesses who confirmed what happened, but did anything happen? No, because I'm white and each time, the principal said it was probably just banter. And here, a player's reputation and job is at stake due to hearsay...
I have it’s not strong enough
There has to be more that meets the eye with this - the FA would do well to reveal how they have come to this decision. To state that someone has bad breath or stinks is not racistThat's very fair comment and I agree with the last sentence in particular. In the climate, they have to be seen that they take these allegations very seriously and maybe fear the reaction if they dismissed the case at this 'early' stage....but as far as we know it's one man's word against another and unless there is some sort of supporting evidence then it's legally dodgy ground to charge Jay. Think it's a case of avoid the big decision until we have to make it one way or the other.
If following the releasr of the evidence, it is the case that a rasict remark has been used, then he should not play for us again.
I do not, however, believe at present that this is the case. My concern is that the FA are using this as a tool to demonstrate they are challenging racism when in reality they are doing bugger all.
I have it’s not strong enough
Standard procedure.
I don't get this its one mans word against the other,hell get off,unless they've got a lipreader to look at it,but I don't think that our guy is guilty.Is there a video clip of the incident available anywhere?
The other bloke is one of these very thin skinned people,didn't he get the runaround all afternoon,bit of a tit if you ask me.
Unless there is some further evidence emerging looks like one players word against another?
This is it for me and the problem. At present it’s one players word against another, how do they figure this out? Are their any other witnesses? There don’t seem to be.
In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. If Bong has no evidence then all there is is his word, and nothing else. Jay vehemently denies saying anything racial, and given the lack of any evidence to the contrary, the FA should give him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, they would be guilty of causing serious harm to a man's career.
Also, the fact that the club has come out with a strong statement in support of Jay speaks volumes. Given the history of our club, with the recent tributes to Cyrille and the aknowledgement of the great contribution he made to race relations in football, I don't believe they would have come out in support if they had any doubts.
It may be Bong misheard or misunderstood Jay, in which case Jay should not pay any penalty. I can imagine Jay is sick this has happened just when he's starting to hit his best form since arriving at the club.
Don't see where the problem is.
If JRod did say ' your black and you stink' the only debatable content of that sentence is does Bong actually stink?
Well his nickname is ‘Pong Bong’
Well if Bongs case is thrown out,he is a liar.
How does anyone know if it was Bong who insulted Jrod in the first place?
Surprising that it never seems to be the white fella complaining about a coloured fellas abuse,strange that eh?
because when I played and its happened in ordinary life to me but I ignored it,why can't he,pathetic I think,move on mate get over yourself.
I can't see any case to answer for jrod in fact he could bring a case against Bong couldn't he for deformation.
Would the FA have charged him if he’d said to a white player ‘You’re white and you stink’. Come on, players are constantly exchanging verbal abuse and we hear nothing about this. I can’t see how Jay can be found guilty. It’s one man’s word against another.That's irrelevant.
That's irrelevant.Is it though?
If he did say 'you are black and you stink' .. it is racist.
I don't believe for one minute he did though.
Is it though?
He is black and he may well stink
If I say Beyoncé is black and can't sing for toffee, is that a racist statement?
Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.
Hmmm. I'm not sure it's that simple. If I say "black people can usually sing well and dance well, but she is terrible", is it racist? It's not saying she can't sing due to her skin colour, but it's still negative. It's all getting very blurry.
It's fashionable to stand up to racism against minorities, that's why people do it. I've been racially abused, some of it is still on my Twitter feed from a couple of months ago. But does anyone care or stand up for me? No, why do you think that is? (And it's not because I've been racist).
It seems to me as though the FA are positively discriminating in favour of Bong. There's no clear evidence. But look at the backlash it's caused not only Jay but Albion fans. I've seen loads of kkk memes about us, and how we're racist because we back our player who we (and most other clubs) feel is innocent.
Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.
So on that basis you can say that some one is a black doctor but not a black street sweeper?
There's always some one playing the victim and worse still there's other people ready to jump on the bandwagon and keep it trundling along
World's gone mad I fear for the future.
Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.
I’m far from PC but some people in here have to be on the wind up. I don’t think he said it at all but of course if you say ‘you’re black and you stink’ it is and should be seen as racism.
Sorry but I'm just playing devils advocate here.is this a genuine question? Why would that question be racist when his colour hasn’t been mentioned? The allegation is that he said to Bong you’re black and you stink which yes would be racist, how can anyone believe that using someone’s skin colour as a negative against them isn’t racist? Saying a black personnis black is not racist, using it as a negative (as with any skin colour) against them is racism.
If he had allegedly said to Bong 'you stink' would that be racist?
Sorry but I'm just playing devils advocate here.
If he had allegedly said to Bong 'you stink' would that be racist?
Well obviously not
This affair is ridiculous, one man’s word against another; just accept it as match banter. Bong needs to grow up and not behave like a pathetic crybaby.
I'm sure there was a case recently where a black man had felt racially abused because someone made a joke about him having a bid dick because he was black...?
Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.
I'm sure there was a case recently where a black man had felt racially abused because someone made a joke about him having a bid dick because he was black...?
Is the film white men cant jump ok?
The guy in recruitment at West Ham got sacked for saying African players can be disruptive, the same week Algerian Mahrez went awol
Where does it end?
If jrod said it, it's a police matter not for the FA to mess about with, Bong himself went on French TV talking about it, that must be wrong?., during said interview he said that "he said it to me because I am black" this indicates there was no direct racial inference more that Bong is assuming that any comment was because of his skin colour....I think this is called paronia
The final thing is , how can the FA "charge " without evidence and if there was evidence why are the police not investigating?
Let me put this as best I can without being called a racist. I have a mate who I have been going to the Albion home and away with for the past 25 years who is black. Now he is getting really annoyed with people who keep claiming rasicism on his behalf and black people who play the race card when something happens they don't like, he said to me I'm black and proud if someone calls me a black whatever, they ain't wrong I am black! Like if someone calls you a fat bald white whatever that's because you are!! His words not mine and I prefer to listen to him and his views rather than some do gooder complaining on his behalf, he doesn't like it doesn't need it and doesn't want it!
It hasn't aged well.
Stereotypes are stereotypes and racial stereotypes are racism. Of all football supporters I'm astonished some Albion fans fail to grasp the nuances of racial inequality and racism.
Where does it end? When racism and racists are eradicated.
I'm sure there was a case recently where a black man had felt racially abused because someone made a joke about him having a bid dick because he was black...?
Is the film white men cant jump ok?
The guy in recruitment at West Ham got sacked for saying African players can be disruptive, the same week Algerian Mahrez went awol
Where does it end?
If jrod said it, it's a police matter not for the FA to mess about with, Bong himself went on French TV talking about it, that must be wrong?., during said interview he said that "he said it to me because I am black" this indicates there was no direct racial inference more that Bong is assuming that any comment was because of his skin colour....I think this is called paronia
The final thing is , how can the FA "charge " without evidence and if there was evidence why are the police not investigating?
Sorry but I'm just playing devils advocate here.If he has just said 'you stink', there is no issue.
If he had allegedly said to Bong 'you stink' would that be racist?
Let me put this as best I can without being called a racist. I have a mate who I have been going to the Albion home and away with for the past 25 years who is black. Now he is getting really annoyed with people who keep claiming rasicism on his behalf and black people who play the race card when something happens they don't like, he said to me I'm black and proud if someone calls me a black whatever, they ain't wrong I am black! Like if someone calls you a fat bald white whatever that's because you are!! His words not mine and I prefer to listen to him and his views rather than some do gooder complaining on his behalf, he doesn't like it doesn't need it and doesn't want it!
I think Bong is, Rodriguez said something he didn't like and now he is being branded racist, let me just say I do not believe for one minute that Rodriguez was racist and if proved innocent Bong should be charged with slander.
Who do you think is doing this in this instance?
An admirable stance from your mate, but many are both unwilling and unable to turn the other cheek and that is their prerogative.
Who do you think is doing this in this instance?
An admirable stance from your mate, but many are both unwilling and unable to turn the other cheek and that is their prerogative.
What about the MOBO's
It hasn't aged well.
Stereotypes are stereotypes and racial stereotypes are racism. Of all football supporters I'm astonished some Albion fans fail to grasp the nuances of racial inequality and racism.
Where does it end? When racism and racists are eradicated.
What about the MOBO's
Why should there be a music of black origin award in a modern progressive society, is that not racism in itself?
And just because some Albion fans have their own views or beliefs on the matter, does not mean they do not understand racism, in fact it's the whole reason for the debate....racism isn't racism just because someone says so..
What about the MOBO'sYou mean like the Brit awards that celebrate British artists, the MOBO’s celebrate music not black people, mick hucknall, Jessie j and Sam smith have all won MOBO’s.
Why should there be a music of black origin award in a modern progressive society, is that not racism in itself?
And just because some Albion fans have their own views or beliefs on the matter, does not mean they do not understand racism, in fact it's the whole reason for the debate....racism isn't racism just because someone says so..
You mean like the Brit awards that celebrate British artists, the MOBO’s celebrate music not black people, mick hucknall, Jessie j and Sam smith have all won MOBO’s.Remind me again what the acronym stands for?
It hasn't aged well.
Stereotypes are stereotypes and racial stereotypes are racism. Of all football supporters I'm astonished some Albion fans fail to grasp the nuances of racial inequality and racism.
Where does it end? When racism and racists are eradicated.
Gutted for the lad not starting tonightGot an extra two minutes of rest in. ???
Why's he not taken a touch with that chance? No one anywhere near him and the keeper miles away. He puts that away and we really rock Chelsea. Now we're on the back foot again and have nothing to show for our positive start.
He's been a poor buy. Perception of him totally embellished by 2 pretty clear cut chances he put away in our best performance of the season.Never been much of a fan but he should be given a run as a forward as at Liverpool. He's not up to it just like Rondon.
Championship player.
what a waste of moneyStill our top scorer, with 50% of shots on target.
So, Firminio (Liverpool, top six club) let off and no malice from Holgate. Who anticipates a similar result for Jay or thinks the FA will need "to take a stand"?Just seen this - I've been saying form the outset it'll be a case of Bong was right to report it, but there is insufficient evidence to charge JayRod. I REALLY hope this is the case now, as if not, it'll be a massive case of double standards
So, Firminio (Liverpool, top six club) let off and no malice from Holgate. Who anticipates a similar result for Jay or thinks the FA will need "to take a stand"?why am I not suprised? strange this incident happened two weeks before Rodriguez and the outcome takes two weeks longer. I like a good conspiracy.
How can 2 incidents with both only involving 2 people yet 1 gets dismissed while the other gets charged. The FA has so much to answer for
Was really poor today. His first touch is terrible.
Was really poor today. His first touch is terrible.
Problem is with Rodriguez is where do you play him? His control and lack of presence stop him from playing lone striker role, quite simply not a good enough player to be a No.10 , looks lost when out wide. To me he just isn't a premier league player
Are you serious? So if your not a classic 'target man' then as a forward you have no future.
100 percent. The death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill.
100 percent. The death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill.
Are you serious? So if your not a classic 'target man' then as a forward you have no future.
So Messi and Neymar might as well pack up then? Some, probably most, of the strikers with real technique and skill are not target men.
Are you serious? So if your not a classic 'target man' then as a forward you have no future.
So Messi and Neymar might as well pack up then? Some, probably most, of the strikers with real technique and skill are not target men.
Firstly, one man playing up top on his own is most people's definition of a target man. He couldn't really be anything other.
Also I never mentioned target men and it's baffling you conjured up the best player of all time and the 3rd or 4th best player in the world as a defence of the appalling Jay Rodriguez.
Firstly, one man playing up top on his own is most people's definition of a target man. He couldn't really be anything other.
I was picking up on your comment that "the death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill." What you seem to say is that the extra striker is nothing better than a trier, passable finisher (not that you should be dismissive about that) and with no real technique or skill. That's a helluva lot of very decent second strikers you're writing off.
Most of the greatest strikers we have seen were not classic target men. We can differ about Rodriguez ( I happen to think he has good anticipation, a decent finisher, good workrate and let's not forget capped by England with Southgate allegedly monitoring him). But, if we are never going to play with more than one striker up top, why have we got 3 recognised strikers; Sturridge, Rondon and Rodriguez?
Have I missed the decision?
Why's it taking so long?
Its affecting his play?
Does this joker Bong just want some publicity back home?
Its one mans word against the other,so no contest.
There should be time limits on this type of accusation,say 48 hours.
On FIFA RodrÃguez is a Left Midfielder and Judging by the Way he plays he Should be on the Left He would give Pace and Assist but due to the way we've being Playing he has to either Go higher up and played out of his position Credit For J rod though he has given some Key goals albeit meaning Jack rubbish at the end of it
I wouldn't say playing up front is playing him out of position. He has alternated between the two throughout his career.
He played left wing the season he ruptured his ligaments, and but since has largely played as a centre forward.
His performances on the left for us haven't been as good in my opinion
Hearing tomorrow. Final nail for this season?Yep, agree with both these sentiments. If it goes against him his reputation will be in tatters, but fingers crossed it won't come to that
A guilty verdict leaves a club with our history a big decision to make. He'd have to be terminated imo.
Hopefully he is exonerated.
So the other bloke needs to be charged then ......... obious they now think he is a liar.
So the other bloke needs to be charged then ......... obious they now think he is a liar.
Unreal. What should he be charged with? I'll wait...
character assassination
It's a shame he wasn't exonerated rather than the charge being not proven.It's probably the case that they couldn't see Jay's mouth on camera for then entire duration of the incident and, as obviously no-one else heard anything, it came down to one person against another. As there was no absolute proof of either guilt or innocence, a verdict of not proven would be inevitable. It's quite possible that Bong misinterpreted something that Jay said.
It's a shame he wasn't exonerated rather than the charge being not proven.Suspect that verdict may be to stop Jay and his legal advisors from launching a counter claim against Bong , not good enough IMO as there is clearly no evidence of racism
Still, he's in the clear that's the bottom line.
“Not Proven†is when a “jury†do not believe the accused is innocent, yet feel there is not enough evidence to convict. It is a third option, mainly applied in Scottish Law.
I’m really pleased for Jay, but wonder what his feelings are and the same would apply to Song.
In the final analysis, both parties must accept the judgement and move on.
That is the law though not the F.A.
Why would the FA not take advantage of a judgement, whether it be Scottish Law or otherwise, to vindicate both parties and apply a fair and reasonable solution to this sorry tale, where there can be no winners in reality. I consider it to be a sensible approach.
BONG Still at it on Twitter blaming the Lack Of Evidence For J-Rod not to get charged but saying he has apologised
Personally, I feel the alledged wording "your black and your breath smells" is so clunky that is is unlikely anyone would say it, let alone an English footballer who knows how muchhe would be throwing away.
Really pleased for J-Rod
If that's what J-Rod allegedly said then he most probably said, "Move back, your breath smells" and Bong misheard it in the heat of the moment.
Happy there's going to be no further action, but 'not proven' sounds more like they think he did it but it can't be proved rather than they believe he didn't do it.
No one would phrase the insult the way Bong claimed. He clearly added the 'you're black' bit.
Bong should be sued for defamation, all but those who've followed this closely will remember is that JR was accused of racism. This doesn't exactly exonerate him does it?
Interesting:Judging by it J-Rod could also accuse Bong of Racism doubt he will or Possibly Saying Something offensive in French Possibly Covering up Racist or Offensive Comments towards J-Rod Knowing that he could have F****d up.
What the referee said
Martin Atkinson wrote an extraordinary incident report and also made a witness statement to the FA.
In his evidence, he said: "In the 58th minute as I awarded a goal kick to Brighton, I was aware of a coming together of two players, Bong and Rodriguez.
"As I approached the two players, Bong pointed at Rodriguez and said to me: 'He has been racist.'
"That is when alarm bells started ringing in my head and I knew I needed to speak to the players.
"Bong was insistent that Rodriguez had said something racist. Bong was talking quickly and was clearly upset about he thought had heard.
"Bong told me that JR had said the word 'black' and then something else, but it was not clear what GB said as he was talking so fast and with such emotion."
After the match, Atkinson spoke further to Bong. The FA reported Atkinson as saying Bong "did not appear upset or angry, just certain and insistent about what had happened".
The FA also said that in cross examination Bong said that "he did not say the words 'black something' to the referee, nor did he tell the referee that he had been called a black anything".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/43744840
Scroll through the link for Jay Rodriguez's statement.........
What a bunch of feckin pansies "football" players are today. If they have a prob go outside and sort it out. Wimps.
HaHa!!!The more I read the more I despaired of Prem football and the tossers paid obscene amounts to infest what was once a man's game. (Respect to the Women's teams they doing great. Show up those masquerading as "men"). FFFn joke in the scheme of things!
Snowflake Culture sadly isn't it Gloster?
.... can you say snowflake any more?
The more I read the more I despaired of Prem football and the tossers paid obscene amounts to infest what was once a man's game. (Respect to the Women's teams they doing great. Show up those masquerading as "men"). FFFn joke in the scheme of things!
Really hope that he stays.
Looks like Fozzy loves him
Really hope that he stays.
Looks like Fozzy loves him
I must of missed that. What happened?Post match interview with the two of them. Jay was asked about the FA charge, answered it referencing the affect it had on his family and received a hug from Foster swiftly followed by another hug at the end of the interview.
Anyone notice that his goal came straight off the training ground?
We had an identical corner routine in the first half where Dawson won the header at the back post and put the ball across goal, Rodriguez was in the same position but didn't make the 3 yard run. He was visibily p1ssed with himself for not doing it.
Second half and Dawson wins the same header, this time JRod makes the run and puts it in the net.
Well done Moore, Dawson and JRod.
He may also be emerging from the shackles of a former Head Coach's "football" philosophy as well as approaching a level of fitness after long injury lay offs
He may also be emerging from the shackles of a former Head Coach's "football" philosophy as well as approaching a level of fitness after long injury lay offs
I haven't been a fan for much of this season but can't deny that our 2 best performances were also his.
Think we will cash in in the summer, will probably even turn a profit, but won't be too disappointed if he is part of our assault on the Championship next year.
If we can keep just one of him or Rondon this summer we will, I believe, have a 20+ goalscorer in the Championship. Five players stated to have release clauses, four to my knowledge have been leaked to the media (Evans, Dawson, Chadli, Rondon) I suspect the 5th is either Rodriguez or Livermore, hope it's the latter.
I see Bong has come out in the press and again has accused Jay of calling him black. If the FA must take action, the football club should be making their feelings clear to the governing body and Jay should pursue leagal action.
I wouldn't recommend reading the Brighton fans forum about this topic. Complete and utter delusion by most.
I see Bong has come out in the press and again has accused Jay of calling him black. the FA must take action, the football club should be making their feelings clear to the governing body and Jay should pursue leagal action.
In a perverse way I believe that the more Bong goes on about it the better it is for JRod as anyone who had sympathy with Bong now think he is trying to justify his untrue allegation. Anyway is old news nowLet's hope jrod dosen t say much more about it, bong might take it the wrong way
Let's hope jrod dosen t say much more about it, bong might take it the wrong way
Defender Bong accused West Brom's Burnley-born striker Jay Rodriguez of racially abusing him during a match in January, a charge found "not proven".
Burnley fans chanted "Jay Rodriguez, he's one of our own" as well as booing Bong whenever he touched the ball.
"I was incredibly surprised, I must admit. I certainly didn't expect it," said Hughton.
"I thought the reaction of the Burnley supporters towards Gaetan was shameful.
"He's an incredibly disciplined and straight individual - as honest a person as you will meet.
"It's something that happened, it's not nice at all, and of course he's big enough and strong enough to cope with it."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43937329 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43937329)
Not sure this is going anywhere soon with Brighton getting the police to look into whether there were monkey chants from the crowd during the Burnley game..
"West Brom ready to fight to keep Jay Rodriguez"
I really do hope we can hold on to him and reject offers no matter how tempting
Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/05/30/west-brom-ready-to-fight-to-keep-jay-rodriguez/
Hopefully we can keep him but if he goes for say around £15m and Rondon goes for around the same, there goes our strike force.I doubt we would be able to hold onto Rondon and Jay Rod, in which case I'd go all out to hold onto Jay. Though he's also missed some sitters, he is the more clinical and natural goalscorer of the two. He probably couldn't manage the target man role like Rondon, but it's usually easier finding a target man than a natural goalscorer. It's also clear that Jay Rod sits well and is highly regarded within the group.
Hopefully we can keep him but if he goes for say around £15m and Rondon goes for around the same, there goes our strike force.Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?
Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?
Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?
Anything over £15m and we bite their hands off.b,ham mail reckon it's understood that he's in talks with Burnley about a £20m transfer.
b,ham mail reckon it's understood that he's in talks with Burnley about a £20m transfer.
I really do hope we can hold on to him and reject offers no matter how temptingUltimately, if players want to go then they'll go one way or another. I don't know whether Rodriguez wants to go or not, but they rarely turn down the opportunity to play in the Premier League, along with the much higher wages it commands. Footballers' careers are short and they will look to maximise the income they get for the benefit of themselves and their families.
Wouldn't surprise me if he returned to Burnley, he's from the area and well thought of by them up there so playing for them in the Prem would be a dream come true for him
A 25 per season Championship striker is worth £20m MINIMUM these days. That’s what I believe Rodriguez is. We should be looking at £25m.
I think Rodriguez will be the difference between promotion or not for us next season, I really do.
So are you blaming 2 players for getting us relegated then?Not really, just couldn't resist it. If we can keep either of them I will be very happy.
Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?
Not really, just couldn't resist it. If we can keep either of them I will be very happy.
Under no circumstances should we be selling this lad.What if an acceptable bid comes in for him and he wants to leave?
£20m?! Thanks and see you later, Jay.
Can you please tell me why for a mear £20m you would sell jay, who i believe has said he is willing to stay & fight for a return back to the prem.It would be great if we could keep all three but I guess it also depends whether we can afford their salaries. Even with flex-down clauses (if they have them) we may need to look at cheaper options.
The club should 100% pull out all the stops to keep him here along with Rondom, Dawson & Gibbs
Club are looking for 24 million for his services and he is willing to stay and try and get club promoted.Where's this information from please?
Where's this information from please?multiple media outlets since window opened, won't rock boat in getting move and willing to stay but club have 24 million valuation
If its true that he wants to stay and help us get promotion, good for him good for us,shows a strength of his character and in his ability,I welcome that.
But we only paid £12 mil was it, so what's your point.
Good business for us eh?
Who cares in hypothesis?
And who could we replace him with?
I didn't realise that strikers are finished at 28,when did that happen?
His best season was last season?
So if he drops down a league,is he still over the hill or does he get one more season as his last?
if you think Jay is only worth £18m why do you think Rondon is worth £30m? both 28 years of age both scored 7 goals from 37 matches last season. both bring different attributes to the team but primarily it's to score goa!s so very little to choose between them. personally I'd prefer to keep Rondon but I don't think there's a £12m difference in worth. I reckon both are worth around £20m each but as we know footballs gone daft where moneys concerned.
My point is he's not worth £24 million. I'd happily take £18 million. Which would be a decent profit.
My point is he's not worth £24 million. I'd happily take £18 million. Which would be a decent profit.
i'd prefer to take £24 million
I'd be snap accepting a £20 million bid if I was on the board.
Surely we have learnt our lessons of the past holding onto players for too long into their 30's and then losing any re-sale value?
Who cares that he has come out in the press and said he is 'committed to fight for promotion' or whatever.
Any new signing should be up for a fight too.
Just read we are interested in taking Nanki Wells from Burnley . Could this be part of the Dawson/ Jay Rod deal ?I don't know alot about Nanki Wells, apart from the fact he failed to start once for Burnley last season, but if he's a makeweight for a Jay Rod transfer, you can be 100% certain Burnley will be getting the better end of the deal.
Numerous other average strikers...
The whole Rodriguez will score 20+ goals in The Championship is based on what? Don't remember too many people clamouring for him to play up front this season when he wasn't so don't understand why all of a sudden he is capable of doing what Kevin Phillips did for us?
Do people know the real reason why Burnley are willing to pay so much for Rodriguez? Because that has been overlooked by everyone.
They're willing to overpay for a reason that no other club will, so if they're willing to pay £24m I'd snap their hands off. No other club will be in a rush to pay over £15m in my opinion. I'd echo Jacko's sentiments, imagine if we were spending that amount on a Rodriguez, we'd be furious.
Absolutely. I like Jay Rod, but the whole sorry saga of the last couple of seasons needs unravelling so that we can make a fresh start with some new blood.
let JR go and bring in nakhi wells haha exactly why moore will lead us to a bottom half season
a few reports saying we've turned down a £12m offer from Burnley.I should hope so.
I should hope so.We are not registered as a charity! We may have been relegated but I hope our chairman only sells players for what we value them.
Insulting opening offer. Let's go bid ten million for their center back who I won't dare try to spell his name just to see how they like it :P
Tbf he's worth about £16m in this market. I wouldn't accept anything below £20m purely because there's no way his replacement is going to be as good whilst we're in this league. If we were in the Prem I'd hate us spending that sort of money on a 29 year old JRod.
If we had just qualified for the Europa league I'd rather us take a punt on someone for the same figure from overseas. Spending 16 /20 million on a 29 year old Jay Rod is a joke for a Europa league team.
They have a Club Grown player quota to meet though and JRod will help them do that. Agree though I'd be disappointed if I was them. Would sooner just throw 4 youngsters into the squad reg.£18m+ would be a sensible price. They know what he's got in his game and he's likely to improve further with the confidence a full season under his belt gives him. I'd like to keep him but if he wants to go and we get £18m - 20m then I'd let him go. Not keen on keeping players who wish they were somewhere else regardless of the contract.
Skysports reporting he's keen to move there and we're willing to do business at £18m+
Insulting opening offer. Let's go bid ten million for their center back who I won't dare try to spell his name just to see how they like it :P
We shouldn’t be selling him. Let’s get Rondon out for his sell on clause, keep J-Rod and buy another two strikers to improve the squad. He seems to be sort not to kick up a fuss and we’ll need him to get out of this league and next year. Same with Dawson. No point selling our best players which will only weaken us.That's how I feel about it.
We shouldn’t be selling him. Let’s get Rondon out for his sell on clause, keep J-Rod and buy another two strikers to improve the squad. He seems to be sort not to kick up a fuss and we’ll need him to get out of this league and next year. Same with Dawson. No point selling our best players which will only weaken us.
The irony. You say don't sell our best players while advocating the sale of probably our best player... :-X
He seems to be sort not to kick up a fuss and we’ll need him to get out of this league and next year. Same with Dawson.They haven't had much reason to kick up a fuss until now, but relegation could easily change that. They have to maximise their income for their families' sake in what is a short career. Therefore, it's quite likely that they'll be hoping someone at a higher level comes in with an acceptable deal without the need for them (or their agents to more precise) to have to try to engineer a move.
I know your in love with the â€none-goalscoring no first touch take a dive Rondon†but I think he’s rubbish :)
Can I second that. I ask the following
1.Would you trust Rondon to take a penalty ?
2. Would you be confident he would score a ‘one on one’ with the keeper ?
Nor me
I think the point is Rondon has a sell on clause, so we have to let him go if the offers right.
The irony. You say don't sell our best players while advocating the sale of probably our best player... :-X
I think our position is that we probably have to retain at least one of Rondon or Rodriguez.Both are replaceable, so it's not a prospect that I'm too fearful about as long as we don't spend weeks faffing about.
Both are replaceable, so it's not a prospect that I'm too fearful about as long as we don't spend weeks faffing about.
You could argue we already have.I'm certainly inclined to agree with that, everything's seemingly going at a snail's pace at present.
We have 1 week before the players return.We don't actually - they're back in on Monday!
I'm certainly inclined to agree with that, everything's seemingly going at a snail's pace at present.
We don't actually - they're back in on Monday!
Blimey. That soon. Cannot abide by this idea the world cup slows it all down. Other clubs are being aggressive and signing players.which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.
which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.Forest have signed 4
Forest have signed 4
which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.Most Championship sides will only need to make two or three changes. We might need a few more than that.
which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.
Blackburn (2 in)Not a bad thing when you look at whose gone including the loanees.
Brentford (1 in)
Bristol City (1 in)
Norwich City (1 in)
Nottm Forest (5 in)
PNE (4 in)
Reading (3 in)
Sheff Utd (1 in)
Stoke (2 in)
Wigan (1 in)
Worth noting that at this moment in time we have lost more squad players than any other Championship side too (4)
Blackburn (2 in)Apart from maybe Stoke, all those mentioned do not have 3 or 4 players with relegation release clauses who will certainly interest a few premier league teams....and another 3 or 4 who will interest some sides in the premier league. The picture will be a lot clearer if you've been in the Championship last year. At least the retained list is out of the way bar Morrison...we need to kick into gear but there are likely to be some protracted negotiations going on for outgoings and incomings. You can't go full out on signings until you are confident about who are likely to be going and so far it's just Evans, G-Mac, Yacob and Myhill
Brentford (1 in)
Bristol City (1 in)
Norwich City (1 in)
Nottm Forest (5 in)
PNE (4 in)
Reading (3 in)
Sheff Utd (1 in)
Stoke (2 in)
Wigan (1 in)
Worth noting that at this moment in time we have lost more squad players than any other Championship side too (4)
Not a bad thing when you look at whose gone including the loanees.
Only really sorry to see Yacob go. GMac is finished
We will have to replace those that have gone, so should be an interesting month or so
Just a quick 'heads up' for Jacko who I seem to remember has a 'thing' about JR and his hair! ;) he's now sporting a man-bun topknot thingy. :o
John Percy
West Brom reject £16m bid from Burnley for striker Jay Rodriguez
Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/02/west-brom-reject-16m-bid-burnley-striker-jay-rodriguez/
If Danny Ings is close to joining Palace for 24million, then there is no reason why we shouldn't be holding out for a minimum 20 million for Rodriguez.
Ings will have re sale value being 4 years younger than Rodriguez, but Jay Rod's scoring record is slightly better than Ings and Ings has barely played any football in the last 2 or 3 years.We may feel we are justified asking for that much , but anyone who actually pays that much is the subject of daylight robbery
Shows we are justified in asking for 20 million.
He wasn’t worth 16p today, awful. Expected far more from him.
He was awful. So was Robson Kanu. We'd have been better off with Robson Green up front.
If he’s going to play like that I’d take the £16m for him. If he doesn’t want to be here then sell. Darren Moore talks about the ethos he wants to build at the club, that ethos needs to include players who want to be here.
Fortune was alright!
Fortune was alright!We've missed the boat there I'm afraid, he's signed for Chesterfield this week in the National League! :)
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Burnley face missing out on Jay Rodriguez, after having a £16m offer rejected. I believe three other Premier League clubs are interested, ahead of Thursday's 5 p.m. deadline
I can't see him going anywhere personally. If gives us to much of a job to do in the final week.
It's not like the board have history of selling our strikers in a window last minute without replacement is it?This board have no real history of anything do they?
This Howard have no real history of anything do they?
I can't see him going anywhere personally. If gives us to much of a job to do in the final week.
For some reason I still think we have Vydra lined up if we do sell JRod.I don’t think that would be the worst outcome. They certainly have proven pedigree in this league.
What would peoples opinions be if we sold Rondon and Jay this week and brought in the following:
Gayle
one of Vydra/Assombolonga/Maddison
Would people be happy with that business?
For some reason I still think we have Vydra lined up if we do sell JRod.
What would peoples opinions be if we sold Rondon and Jay this week and brought in the following:
Gayle
one of Vydra/Assombolonga/Maddison
Would people be happy with that business?
Vydra wants 50 grand a week if report's are to be believed, that's why his recent transfer fell through. I can't see us agreeing to his wage demands.
This board have no real history of anything do they?I still don't know what most of them do!!
What would peoples opinions be if we sold Rondon and Jay this week and brought in the following:We'd still be a striker short in that scenario. In fact, we'd be 2 strikers short if one of the players was Maddison.
Gayle
one of Vydra/Assombolonga/Maddison
Would people be happy with that business?
rumour that Spurs have shown an interest
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/949197827?-11200:789
I suppose they will offer 50% of what we want and the remainder payable over 5 years linked to number of goals, games played in the Champions League, World Cup appearances for Outer Mongolia or some other unachievable targets so as to waste our time, unsettle the player and any payment to be made on the 8th August at 9:30 pm by cheque 8)that would be a generous offer by Levy standards.
While I get Spurs being interested, I can't see Levy paying a fee that would interest us at this late stage.
Rodriguez would be very difficult to replace, as he can play in 3 different roles in our forward line, something the likes of Vydra cannot do.
I feel clubs have left it too late now to get Rodriguez, especially with Rondon having left
While I get Spurs being interested, I can't see Levy paying a fee that would interest us at this late stage.
Rodriguez would be very difficult to replace, as he can play in 3 different roles in our forward line, something the likes of Vydra cannot do.
I feel clubs have left it too late now to get Rodriguez, especially with Rondon having left
Rodriguez would be very difficult to replace, as he can play in 3 different roles in our forward line, something the likes of Vydra cannot do.I think he looks lost when played anywhere other than up front and central. Let's get specialists in their positions rather than rely on someone else being able to "do a job" in more than one role.
I think he looks lost when played anywhere other than up front and central. Let's get specialists in their positions rather than rely on someone else being able to "do a job" in more than one role.
Sky says burnley to bid18 mill todayHope we knock that on the head, if true. He is a very important part of the strike force which will be needed over 46 games.
18m for a player who doesn't want to be here - yes please! Next!
18m for a player who doesn't want to be here - yes please! Next!
Where has it been reported that he doesn't want to be here?
My guess is that he’ll go for £18m, maybe with an extra ‘add on’, and the cheque will be made payable to a certain Mr Lai. Our strike force will be Gayle and HRK lol.
(Not really laughing)
If they are that desperate ask for Chris Wood to be involved , that would test them.
We have to accept £18 million, we have a more than adequate goalscorer now in Gayle and hopefully we can use this money to get 2/3 player in. Woods, Maddison and a target man for example.
We've been told all summer that we have replacements lined up for when our players leave so lets see what we have up our sleeve. There's no way we will stick with just HRK and Gayle.
Also don't buy this desperate to join his boyhood club stuff, he had the chance to rejoin Burnley last summer but we offered him more.
Excellent idea
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-blow-club-15000950
It appears there will be no swaps and cash with burnley
Old stories. Lots of ifs, maybes and could
Too late in the day to be selling him now. Burnley knew the price months ago.
Agreed, wouldn’t sell no matter what they offer, who we going to get in to replace him this late? Vydra may have been the one but he is going to Burnley now. How about a cheeky bid for Chris Wood if they get Vydra . Similar deal to the Gayle move
. How about a cheeky bid for Chris Wood if they get Vydra . Similar deal to the Gayle moveHe would be an excellent signing and just what we need in this division.
He would be an excellent signing and just what we need in this division.. I think it would be a great partnership him and Gayle. Can't see why they would want J Rod if they get Vydra
We have to accept £18 million, we have a more than adequate goalscorer now in Gayle and hopefully we can use this money to get 2/3 player in. Woods, Maddison and a target man for example.That sounds like a decent strategy to me too, but time and (a lack of) manpower are against us now. With a large parachute payment coming our way, we really shouldn't be in a position of having to sell before we can buy though.
. I think it would be a great partnership him and Gayle. Can't see why they would want J Rod if they get VydraI thought we were interested in Vydra who is slightly sharper than JRod. However, no way should we trade in JRod for a lesser carthorse type striker like Woods.
Apparently spurs after Rodriguez
Drive him there myself after tonights performance
Meh, for 18 million i'd sell to be honest, i don't think he's all people say he is. PROVIDED we've got a proven replacement lined up, i'd take 18 million and get someone like Vydra in.
Meh, for 18 million i'd sell to be honest, i don't think he's all people say he is. PROVIDED we've got a proven replacement lined up, i'd take 18 million and get someone like Vydra in.Vydra signed for Burnley today, I agree selling Rodriguez might not be that bad at that price I just can’t see who we replace him with in 48 hours
Presumably Assombalonga is still available, lost some faith in J-Rod, looks like a lost sheep although I did notice a couple of times second half we could have played him in and shot instead.Shouldn't be judging him on a couple of performances. Last season he scored enough important goals, and this season he'll score more.
I wouldn't be too disappointed if this happens. I assume a replacement is lined up if he is allowed to leave, so I'm optimistic we could have a better option as competition for Gayle by the end of August.end of August? The window closes tomorrow.
It's a shame we lack a good scouting structure. If we had one, we could accept the huge money Burnley seem happy to pay. I still think Rodriguez could fire in this league, but 2 poor games so far show he isn't worth what they are offering.Agreed. £18m for a 29 years old striker is a good deal for me.
Replacing him is the issue - we are s*** at recruitment.
end of August? The window closes tomorrow.
Burnley hoping to complete move for Jay Rodriguez today. New bid submitted to West Brom last night and player is keen to re-join club he left in 2012
That’s a tweet from Ed Aaron’s of the Guardian.
I’d be asking for Chris Wood in return.
No it doesn’t. Only the Premier League window closes tomorrow.
Wood is a dyche fav. 0% he will drop down a level
Has to be cash purely for Rodriguez
No it doesn’t. Only the Premier League window closes tomorrow.rAfter tomorrow it’s only loans and free agents, who is available free or on loan who is a better option than Rodriguez?
No it doesn’t. Only the Premier League window closes tomorrow.It closes tomorrow (at 5.00pm) for permanent transfers for the Football League as well. Loan players can come in up until Aug 31st and players can be sold to foreign clubs up until that date.
Vokes for Rodriguez plus cash. No brainer for me, do the deal.Rumours of £10million as the cash part of the deal as well, I’d be happy with that
Vokes for Rodriguez plus cash. No brainer for me, do the deal.
This late in the transfer window we need a target man without one we will really struggle so Vokes or Wood I'm not fussed get it done.
Absolutely, Vokes is still only 28 and has a decent record in the Championship for a "target man". Get it done.Not a great scoring record, about 1 in 4, but that's similar to Rodriguez so not a bad deal.
Chris Woods has to be one of the worst strikers I've seen at the club. Up there with Anichebe and Fabian DeFreitas.
Not a great scoring record, about 1 in 4, but that's similar to Rodriguez so not a bad deal.What is it that makes people think Rodriguez is worth twice as much as Vokes then, given that he's a year older too?
Well, Chris Woods is a retired goalkeeper, so probably not going to be a great striker in all honesty.Blimey, with that kind of attention to detail, you sound like you'd make a good ref!
Chris Woods has to be one of the worst strikers I've seen at the club. Up there with Anichebe and Fabian DeFreitas.
Well, Chris Woods is a retired goalkeeper, so probably not going to be a great striker in all honesty.
Sky are reporting Burnley have cooled their interest in Rodriguez.can't afford him
can't afford him
Seeing reports today that's it's J-Rod for £10m + Vokes.
Seeing reports today that's it's J-Rod for £10m + Vokes.
Rodriguez has been very poor opening 2 games and wants to leave by all accounts so we should cash in .but it looks like no one wants him at our. Valuation
just unsettled during the window, he will bed down and become an assett for us if he stays
Then it gets to January and he will be unsettled again
Then it gets to January and he will be unsettled again
From all accounts Jay has a good attitude. He was certainly giving his all v Forest. We tracked him for a long time at Southampton. He had a decent scoring record in the Prem and he'll score a few more in the Championship. We can't just rely on Gayle and HRK as strikers.laughing my head off about relying on HRK
Sky reporting fee agreed 18.5mil
Scratch that, fake account.
laughing my head off about relying on HRK
He is literally one of the worst footballers I've seen to play at a good level. He's in the class of players such as Steve Morison and Grant Holt.
I'm really disappointed in him so far this season, massively underwhelming. Take away the penalties won for him by Gayle he has barely laid a glove on the opposition. Needs to start scoring goals and getting involved in games. Just hope he clicks into some form sometime soon.
I think his performances are perhaps symptomatic of the fact that maybe his heart isn't hereI think his performances are symptomatic of a player that isn't really good and IMO is very one dimensional, he has a touch of pace but little else n terms of vision etc
Just a thought how about updating super Bob to super jay
I was at Preston where he was excellent. Don’t think he can be faulted this season.
Needs to be more consistent for me. I wasn't at Preston but apparently he played well. Goes missing too much for my liking. Can't ever fault his effort and he's a model professional. Just need to see a bit more quality on a more regular basis.
Are we talking about a guy who's scored 7 goals for us this season so far?4 of which have been penalties won by Gayle. I like Rodriguez but I don’t think he’s as good as some make out, and as has been stated his consistency has been an issue right from time the start, he has been more consistent so far this season but hats not to say he hasn’t had some bad games.
Or someone else who's not scored yet?
Crikey lads.
Are we talking about a guy who's scored 7 goals for us this season so far?Didn't catch the Preston game but personally think he hasn't got going yet this season.
Or someone else who's not scored yet?
Crikey lads.
Point is he scored 4 penalties!
He could have missed them or had them saved.
If he goes missing so what?
I dont think he does.
I can't believe that some on here are knocking a player who is our leading goalscorer,we only scored 21 last season.
Our front two are deadly savour them stop the criticism.
I could understand it if we were struggling to score but really guys.
He does go missing imo and I wouldn't have complained if he'd gone to Burnley for a massive fee.
Problem was who was going to replace him, as our other targets like Jack Marriott aren't tear it up at Derby.
We may regret letting Tyler Roberts go as he scored the winner again tonight.
Really needs dropping I'm still aggrieved with that back pass against derby and his failure to execute a 3 yard pass for a Gayle tap in.
Missed a big chance again today.
Don't think he offers enough if we are going to persist with the 2 up top I hope it's Sako and Gayle. Although I would be happy for him to dropped for an extra midfielder
In an ideal world burnley will be struggling and will make a stupid offer for Jrod and Dawson in Jan and dowling will have found some great replacements.
If the disarray at brentford continues then a cheeky 7m bid for maupay may get him but probably need to go higher.
I don't think Jrod is great and at his age we should cash in before it is too late.
Today's miss was bad but we need him to be on about 12 - 15 goals by Jan to attract a stupid bid of 18-20m imo.
Not as bad as some of the comments on here in my opinion.In general I quite like him but at the minute I feel he's miles off . Doesn't win the ball , doesn't hold the ball , lacking physically when up against tough defenders , not creating much and not much of a threat . Too much time playing with his hair :).
Wouldn’t argue that he needs a break but I have seen far worse in his position at Albion. If he ends up on bench does it finally mean no place in the 18 for HRK? Or is that a crazy dream I’m having? ;);D , wake up.
The issue in JRs case is the same as the midfield and CB positions, we've got 2 decent players, but no quality replacements to come in. Therefore he plays wether he's good,bad or indifferent. We should of took the ££ for him and Dawson in the summer and rebuilt with younger hungry players, as it's clear Dawson doesn't want to be here either.average striker since that bad injury he had if Burnley come back in for him I'd let him go.
As good as Gayle is we are too reliant on him and need to bring in another striker in January with some threat and pedigree. J-Rod is clearly not up to it, working hard isn't enough.Agree
Agree
If we had
Gayle, crouch, Defoe as our three options, I think we would be absolutely fine for promotion
Just seen that first half miss from Saturday , thats a dreadful miss . It wasn't that quick at him IMO , bad miss and ready for a break as posted earlier in the thread.Considering he had a clean run through he should have buried the first shot. I think the keeper made a good save to be fair but he should have had no chance.
If Burnley came back in for him in January I would let him go. They can have Dawson aswell. I would take around 25 million for the pair which I think is the figure Burnley were offering in the summer.So in summary
If burnley have watched the pair of them this year I would bet they are no longer interested. Cant see any other premier league team being interested.
We must be allowed to spend the proceeds
I completely forgot he was playing at one point.
I completely forgot he was playing at one point.
Not the first game I have thought that. He had no support today in fairness to the lad. But he lacks the natural attributes to be a lone striker- he's not the only one woefully off form; phillips Barnes Livermore Hegazi Dawson. therein lies the problemOur players very easily become disenchanted with the management, they have previous form with previous manager's.
Not the first game I have thought that. He had no support today in fairness to the lad. But he lacks the natural attributes to be a lone striker- he's not the only one woefully off form; phillips Barnes Livermore Hegazi Dawson. therein lies the problem
Livermore isn't off form. He always plays like this. Rodriguez is the same.
They can play Abit better then today but on the whole I agree. Albion didn't ship enough of the Deadwood out in the summer. Saying that we didn't get any serious bids for Livermore or Rodriguez.and Morrison should no longer be here - the naturally evolving time to let him go and replace him with a younger model was in June this year.
Two of Albions best players are brunt and morison and thy have been here over a decade and therein lies the problem we have never naturally evolved.
They can play Abit better then today but on the whole I agree. Albion didn't ship enough of the Deadwood out in the summer. Saying that we didn't get any serious bids for Livermore or Rodriguez.
Two of Albions best players are brunt and morison and thy have been here over a decade and therein lies the problem we have never naturally evolved.
It’s interesting to note that more and more fans are realising just how poor j rod and Livermore are ,I have been saying it for the last 18 months ,it’s laughable when fans talk about our prem quality squad and include those pair ,Livermore can’t tackle his shooting is atrocious and his creativity is so poor ,we all know the midfield has wanted overhauling for two years but nothing has been done about it
Agree with you on Livermore. Even more infuriating when Yacob who he replaced in the team is now at Forest (which coincided with our dip in form and then subsequent relegation). Worryingly too many people at the club rate these players as well.I think it's a bit more complex
Agree with you on Livermore. Even more infuriating when Yacob who he replaced in the team is now at Forest (which coincided with our dip in form and then subsequent relegation). Worryingly too many people at the club rate these players as well.
Wonder if Burnley would still pay million for Dawson ?
Yacob has played once for Forest so far this season.and a pretty impressive debut by all accounts :-X
Came close to edging Phillips and Adarabioyo for man of the match. Never stopped running and looked much happier as part of a more dynamic attack with other options around him. Set up atleast 2 goals through his powerful runs and looked more like the player we saw for a brief spell in the premier league last year.
Just wanted to say congratulations to Jay Rodriguez on his 100th goal
Its a nice moment for him :)
Nice goal to bring up the ton aswell
Fairplay to him but he should be at least on 101 if not 102 (the other chance in first half wasn't as easy as the chance in the second)
Fortunately his poor finishing didn't cost us the points. I would have subbed him off for Gayle. Away from home Rodriguez doesn't offer as much as Gayle as he doesn't have the pace to threaten and isn't the greatest finisher
Was missing again tonight. I really hope Burnley come back in for him.
Was missing again tonight. I really hope Burnley come back in for him.
Was missing again tonight. I really hope Burnley come back in for him.
I'd run around, chase down the opposition and put effort in without an actual end product. Can I get laid £50k a week please?
You've got to look at the front two and think about why we didn't create much, why wasn't the ball held up. You can't absolve them of blame in games where they've not done their job.
There’s no pleasing some ‘Albion fans’, if Lionel Messi was in our team he’d be criticised if he didn’t score in every match!No they wouldn't.
I just don't think he gives the same commitment and desire as he clearly showed he can against Leeds in every game.
He is one of a few we'll get big money for, and in an ideal world imo we should take about £15m for him if (big if) it's offered because of his age etc.
With the proceeds we should consider getting the much pacier and younger Maupay in and a box to box mf, as I don't think Mozza is the answer there.
Not for one second do I believe that Jenkins will release funds in Jan unless they are generated by player sales.
Our only hope without sales is that LD and IP have some very cheap signings from abroad lined up and/or some more loans.
There’s no pleasing some ‘Albion fans’, if Lionel Messi was in our team he’d be criticised if he didn’t score in every match!I doubt it. The trouble with J-Rod is, considering he's given quite a free, attacking role, he doesn't actually offer very much. There's glimpses of a decent player but he's not lethal in front of goal, he's not setting others up an awful lot. I think he can do better, or we can do better.
I doubt it. The trouble with J-Rod is, considering he's given quite a free, attacking role, he doesn't actually offer very much. There's glimpses of a decent player but he's not lethal in front of goal, he's not setting others up an awful lot. I think he can do better, or we can do better.
Yes, he's certainly not in the SKP mould, neither is he a traditional big man, or a dynamic Cyrille I struggle to think of what "type" of forward Jay is. (Bergkamp with less class???)
To me he seems to be more suited to being a midfielder with a few goals in him (Mozzaesque)
This season he has scored 9 in 18 which is a goal every other game...
4 penalties in there
I was ready to write Jay off for the season after a couple of his performances actually cost us points (the back pass and open goal miss urrgghhh) but then we switched to a front three and he was superb against Leeds really driving at the defenders. He then scored again against Ipswich, although missing a couple of other decent chances.
I'm often baffled as to how good he is. Sometimes his work rate is very good and he does chase a lost cause. He is cool on penalties and can take a sharp chance. but he isn't a natural goal scorer and often seems poor in one on one situations. He's not got searing pace to play on the shoulder or trick to beat a player from out wide, nor is his hold up play fantastic but I have seen him play some lovely one touch link up with Gayle, Barnes and Phillips at times.
A few weeks ago I'd have taken a tenner and a bottle of whisky for him, but realistically you would think a pretty substantial sum would be required as he really is an integral part of a team currently challenging for promotion.....we'd probably miss him once he had gone!!
Brentford rejected a Championship record transfer bid in the summer and he is now top scorer in the division. He'll cost more than Jay.
When push comes to shove I think Brentford would take about £10m.
But, in an ideal world I'd like us to do what we used to do best and bring in hidden gems like Koren and Mulumbu like before.
The likes of Bristol City managed to find Diedu and before him Kodija and Brentford found Maupay. We need to up our game scouting wise to find these types of players again.
Heres the top scorers in championship list adjusted to exclude pens, Jay comes in equal 22nd !
Why when they rejected more than that in the summer?
Full disclosure - I love the guy. I think he's shown some real class, determination and leadership recently. For me he's a class act.
Ok it was a bad miss but those chances where you have to lunge forward at full stretch, there is a risk it catches the wrong part of your foot as you're not in total control of your body.my five year old daughter would have put that away and she wouldn't be worried about her pony tail awful miss end of
Ok it was a bad miss but those chances where you have to lunge forward at full stretch, there is a risk it catches the wrong part of your foot as you're not in total control of your body.
Needs a spell on the bench.
He was in total control though. It wasn't on the stretch he was sliding and comfortably getting to the ball. The guy just isn't a great finisher. He also had a bunch of other chances, air shots, mis controls, taking too long to get his shot off, making the wrong decision, etcIf you're sliding you lose some control though, that's why it's bad when tacklers go off their feet. Anyway we are agreed it was a bad miss. As for HRK's header, again he should have scored no doubt but there was a little 'clever' push in his back while he was airborne which probably didn't help.
We looked like we were playing with two competition winners up top. Bit harsh on HRK, because he at least offered something in other areas of the pitch.
Needs a spell on the bench.The bench in the barbers
I find it amazing how Jay seems to avoid a large amount criticism, he’s been poor for some time now, I’m sure he’s a really nice guy and he works hard but his performances and finishing have been way off. Hate to say it but if this was Rondon playing this way he’d being getting absolutely slated.
Spot on. Also worth noting Rondon has never played as poorly for us as Rodriguez has for the majority of this season, and in a much better division too.
Rondon in the current 4-3-3 set up would be a beast. I'm not convinced he is a natural finisher either but would have been interesting to find out given the number of chances we now create.It’s a good point, his figures are bulked out by the penalties but all of them have been won my Gayle. Id love JRod to find his form but in reality I don’t think he’s good enough. If Burnley come back for him with a sensible offer I’d be tempted to take it and invest it in someone like assombalonga or even Neal Maupay.
JRod is a likeable footballer and there was no mention of strops or dummies out of the pram in the summer which I appreciated. But I reckon he must be nearly in double figures for missed chances already this season (not half chances either). He is either a decent striker who is a confidence player and has poor runs of form, or a very average striker who occasionally hits a run of good form. It's also surprising how much his aptitude for taking penalties masks his actual goal return - although it should be noted that he doesn't win them.
Time to shake his hand and say "goodbye"?
I'll give him a hand packing if Burnley hand over the money.
Obviously there will be handkerchiefs readily available for those who cannot handle his departure.
Hopefully, we'll find a more handy player upfront after we make an handsome profit on him.
Seriously if Burnley,who could well be desperate in January came back in with 15 million you would snatch their hands off.Only if we reinvested the money and Laid doesn't trouser it,has he trousered the Chadli dosh? Well soon find out
Seriously if Burnley,who could well be desperate in January came back in with 15 million you would snatch their hands off.
Given the quality of many of the chances which have fallen his way, allied to him being on penalties, he really should be on at least 16 goals by now. Hope he bags the winner on Friday. But if we fail to win and he misses as many chances as versus Brentford he can keep walking down the tunnel without bothering with a shower on the way out.
So it's Jay's turn to be the scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was HRK I suppose if Gayle misses a couple it will be is turn next. Amazing considering that a player who consistently misses chances and is not at our club this season is still getting praise on this forum.
I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more but 10 in 21 games is very good. Yes 4 of them have been penalties but so what he still has to score them. I bet Afobe, Rhodes and Adams(?) wish they all had an extra goal in their scoring rates when they missed against us.
So it's Jay's turn to be the scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was HRK I suppose if Gayle misses a couple it will be is turn next. Amazing considering that a player who consistently misses chances and is not at our club this season is still getting praise on this forum.
I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more but 10 in 21 games is very good. Yes 4 of them have been penalties but so what he still has to score them. I bet Afobe, Rhodes and Adams(?) wish they all had an extra goal in their scoring rates when they missed against us.
The way people talk about it you'd think all penalties are scored when in fact this season in the Championship 59 penalties have been awarded and 43 of them scored which is a 72.8% success rate.
Personally I'd be gutted if we let Rodriguez go in January as he offers plenty to the team apart from just goals. Also that would leave us one striker short so we'd have to get a replacement in, as well as a CM and possibly a RB.
Considering the amount of easy chances we have created for him 10/21 including 6/21 from open play is very poor. He should be on at least 15 by now. Dwight Gayle has won him most of those penalties, notably J-Rod has not won any for Gayle. Our best striker clearly is DG, and it is madness for him to be playing left wing, get him up front in the middle and build the team around him. J-Rod can go on the left and run around like he does with his average end quality.
Thanks, I've got that ta. The point was I think he should have converted more from open play given the quality of chances which have fallen his way, I really do. The start of your opening line "I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more....." alludes to us being in agreement there.
I only care what the forwards of other clubs do in regard to how it affects us, and so in that case I'm quite glad if they leave their shooting boots at home. But then I wasn't comparing him to others as I'm only concerned about his return for us. I appreciate there is more to Jay's game than goals (two assists and a lot of movement and running) and I haven't called for him to he be sold. I've just acknowledged that his goal return could be better, as have you.
If we sold him then frankly I'd be amazed were we to then part with much cash to bring in a replacement not to mention the reinforcements required elsewhere. And I repeat for anyone who is in doubt ('59 ;) ), I am not scapegoating him. I've just given an honest point of view regarding his return in proportion to the amount of decent chances which have been presented to him.
Another non performance from Jrod, please Burnley come back in for him.
Rather than your constant criticism about this player, maybe you could try and support him? He's a decent forward, as demonstrated in spells over the past couple of seasons, and with some renewed confidence could come good again for us.
Nice one, I'll send him a Xmas card and present, that will get him firing.
It's a wba forum and that's my opinion of him. I don't boo anyone at games, but that doesn't make me a happy clapper and I just don't see what you obviously do in Jrod.
Tell me one good thing he did tonight?
Body swerve to beat his man, unfortunately instead of then slipping Gayle in 1 on 1 he blazed it into the stand from 30 yards. That was about it.
He's been really poor this year, the attacking version of Bartley, but it seems to be met with indifference by most of the fans.
Nice one, I'll send him a Xmas card and present, that will get him firing.
It's a wba forum and that's my opinion of him. I don't boo anyone at games, but that doesn't make me a happy clapper and I just don't see what you obviously do in Jrod.
Tell me one good thing he did tonight?
Jrod should be wrapped in cotton wool and the prayers said got Burnley to come with a stupid bid for him.
Gibbs is close to Jrod for goals in open play I think.
Says it all imo.
He is not nearly as bad as some on here make out. Was poor last night but has had decent games too and always gives his all. If he goes to Burnley, who replaces him? We should maybe be careful about what we wish for.
He's not been "excellent" all season.I'd certainly give him a B+ for the season so far, he plays a role as asked in order to fit into an overall 11 man team system
IF one were cynical,
One could say that an upturn in form coinciding with the transfer window being about to open may be more than a coincidence, BUT that is being over cynical perhaps.
Burnley are continuing to struggle and it seems Dyche (or Burnleys scouting network at least) have been a fan of Jay for a while, I would not be at all surprised to see them coming back with a tempting offer for Jay,
What do people think it would take to prise hm away in Jan??
personally i think anything over 15m and he is gone.
The goodGayle as 13 and Rodriguez as 12? All good strikers miss chances at least he get's in the right positions to miss!
He puts in the effort and does have a decent shot on him, pretty clinical from penalties
The bad
First touch ain't great, his continued selection means better finishers (Gayle) end up pushed wide, like what we did with Odemwingie, always bloody apologising to the opposition players
That bloody hair
Gayle as 13 and Rodriguez as 12? All good strikers miss chances at least he get's in the right positions to miss!
The good
He puts in the effort and does have a decent shot on him, pretty clinical from penalties
The bad
First touch ain't great, his continued selection means better finishers (Gayle) end up pushed wide, like what we did with Odemwingie, always bloody apologising to the opposition players
That bloody hair
I think Rodriguez is possibly the teams most underrated player. Great work-rate, intelligent movement and use of the ball and has the ability to create something or make the goalkeeper work out of nothing. Yes, he has missed some chances, but which attacking player doesn't? He has also been played pretty deep for most of the season. To all extents and purposes at times he has been playing as more of an attacking midfielder than an out and out striker. He has been crucial this season in that he gives the team balance. I see him as no less influential than Barnes or Gayle and we would miss him just as much if not as more than them if he got injured or sold.
I think Rodriguez is possibly the teams most underrated player. Great work-rate, intelligent movement and use of the ball and has the ability to create something or make the goalkeeper work out of nothing. Yes, he has missed some chances, but which attacking player doesn't? He has also been played pretty deep for most of the season. To all extents and purposes at times he has been playing as more of an attacking midfielder than an out and out striker. He has been crucial this season in that he gives the team balance. I see him as no less influential than Barnes or Gayle and we would miss him just as much if not as more than them if he got injured or sold.Agree with everything you say, but some just won't have it! There prerogative though.
This is just not true. None of the emboldened part of the quote is true.
Very good header against Wigan, decent strike for the second but goalkeeping error that it went in, wouldn't happen next season if we go up. I've been critical of him a lot this season, missed far too many and been erratic, that back pass at home to Derby and that open goal against Brentford have cost us points. Better against Wigan. Jury is still out for me. Working hard. Just needs a bit more common sense and composure at times.
This is just not true. None of the emboldened part of the quote is true.
............in your opinion.He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.
Many fans would tend to agree with the bit you put in bold.
We all have our opinions.
He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.
He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.
He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.
If the chance arose would anyone on here sell Jrod to Burnley for £15m and get vydra or vokes on loan as part of the deal until the end of the season?At £20 Million, yes
Has long as he is replaced i wont loose any sleep if hes off to Burnley in Jan
His position on the pitch isn’t limited by his position on a piece of paper.
In that case you could also argue he's played centre half because he's back there during corners.
If the chance arose would anyone on here sell Jrod to Burnley for £15m and get vydra or vokes on loan as part of the deal until the end of the season?
In that case you could also argue he's played centre half because he's back there during corners.
Absolutely not. He is a better player than either of those mentioned. And although not what you would call a natural goal scorer like Gayle, does weigh in with a fair number of goals.
I can't believe ten games in or whatever it is some people still do not understand the system and how we play it.
Jay Rodriguez plays as a forward not in anyway, shape or form as a midfielder. He plays centrally but has a duty to drop slightly deeper than the other two (wide) forwards who are expected to stay up top not tracking back. We play with a fluidity that means we interchange. Because we have Barnes and Gibbs down the left our wide right forward generally tends to get into the box off the ball more often and come infield more. I did wonder whether Gayle could do that initially but he has played the role really well of late.
Matt Phillips does not play wide right, he plays right side of a midfield three. He does tend to try and force the issue out wide at times, sometimes vacating the midfield area which isn't always ideal but the reason he does that is because we don't have a right back that can do anything going forward. The wide right forward often comes inside and leaves the right flank vacant for Phillips to exploit. If we sign Tavernier in January then Phillips will probably modify his game slightly which should benefit the team even more.
Adarabioyo does not form a back three at any time in as much as we don't shuffle across into a defensive three, he just barely gets forward so we have three defenders back but that isn't the same as playing a back three. When he does go forward he barely ever passes forwards and can't cross a ball which is why Phillips sometimes has to force the issue down the right flank.
We do play with a fluidity which sees players turn up in other positions of the field but Jay Rods principal role is to play as a central forward but he doesn't play on the shoulder or with his back to goal he is expected to drop deeper and pick up the ball facing goal.
I can't believe ten games in or whatever it is some people still do not understand the system and how we play it.Yes, this assymettry between the way we go forward between left and right could not be outined much more clearly, and as we are setting up with attack very much in mind it is affecting the way we defend. I do think the CHS are on the lookout for Gibbs being caught forward, so even if Adarabioyo doesn't shuffle across much the CHs seem to a bit.
Jay Rodriguez plays as a forward not in anyway, shape or form as a midfielder. He plays centrally but has a duty to drop slightly deeper than the other two (wide) forwards who are expected to stay up top not tracking back. We play with a fluidity that means we interchange. Because we have Barnes and Gibbs down the left our wide right forward generally tends to get into the box off the ball more often and come infield more. I did wonder whether Gayle could do that initially but he has played the role really well of late.
Matt Phillips does not play wide right, he plays right side of a midfield three. He does tend to try and force the issue out wide at times, sometimes vacating the midfield area which isn't always ideal but the reason he does that is because we don't have a right back that can do anything going forward. The wide right forward often comes inside and leaves the right flank vacant for Phillips to exploit. If we sign Tavernier in January then Phillips will probably modify his game slightly which should benefit the team even more.
Adarabioyo does not form a back three at any time in as much as we don't shuffle across into a defensive three, he just barely gets forward so we have three defenders back but that isn't the same as playing a back three. When he does go forward he barely ever passes forwards and can't cross a ball which is why Phillips sometimes has to force the issue down the right flank.
We do play with a fluidity which sees players turn up in other positions of the field but Jay Rods principal role is to play as a central forward but he doesn't play on the shoulder or with his back to goal he is expected to drop deeper and pick up the ball facing goal.
Anybody see the apparent stamp?Here you go make your own mind up I thought he trod on him accidentally trying to get out of the way
His first sending off in his career and 3 match ban comes when Gayle is out.
I was in the east stand and didn't see anything and actually thought he'd sent one of their's off for something in the melee afterwards.
Prior to that I'd thought he'd become a hacker he was that anonymous.
Here you go make your own mind up I thought he trod on him accidentally trying to get out of the way
https://twitter.com/i/status/1079052522013290496
Here you go make your own mind up I thought he trod on him accidentally trying to get out of the wayIt looks like Rod was trying to get out of the way of tangled legs.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1079052522013290496
It looks like Rod was trying to get out of the way of tangled legs.the refs watching it from 5 yards and clearly waves play on so he sees nothing wrong. Rodriguez doesn't look down at the player at anytime so I don't see how he stamps intentionally. I would appeal that and be confident of getting it overturned.
The Wednesday player has gone down under a challenge from Jay. He rolls forward making a total meal of the initial challenge Jay is trying to avoid the player doing his dying fly impression and catches him. It was the linesman who flagged the offence the ref waived play-on.As I said earlier...Jay was trying to avoid a tangle of legs.
Does appealing the card delay the ban so that he would be available for the Blackburn game?
I sit in the East Stand quite close to where the incident happened. What I saw was J Rod moving his leg backwards possible to untangle it, with minimal contact with the player. The Wednesday player then went down like he had been shot. As DM said after the match- nothing in it. My cousin who sits behind me is a former league referee, who was also well sighted. Worryingly he said that although it was marginal he did understand why it had been given. There was some contact ang getting the red rescinded might not be as straight forward as we might hope.
Only a single, fixed camera video evidence for the panel to review. Based on it, I would be very surprised if the panel don’t give J-Rod the benefit of the doubt.I agree, had there been more angles to review he may have been penalised but from the only available angle I think he’ll have it rescinded. Maybe a benefit of being in the championship
Nobody can say for sure if he meant it, and it is a reasonable assertion to say it was an accident. He hasn’t made an obvious stamping motion and his feet were not planted, instead he was hurdling the defender. I’d be surprised if the red card is upheld.
The discipline page of the FA's web site is currently showing a suspension:
Player Club Start End Total
Jay Rodriguez West Bromwich Albion 29.12.2018 12.01.2019 3
I'm hoping this is just standard practise before an appeal is made, heard and adjudicated on
Source: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions
Any news on appeal thought it would be done by now?
The sodding game at Blackburn will have kicked off at this rate before we get a decision.have to get out of this Mickley mouse league, could be decided tonight or tomorrow morning :o
Absolutely ridiculous. It should take 20 minutes ABSOLUTELY MAXIMUM and red card should be rescinded.
It's 2019 practically. Pathetic.
have to get out of this Mickley mouse league, could be decided tonight or tomorrow morning :oI prefer this league to the premier league
I prefer this league to the premier leagueThis may be a clue as to why many of us prefer the championship
It’s been rescinded
Not sure if its just me but I think he is integral to what we do. Yes he is not prolific but he works very hard, wins free kicks and joins up play between the midfield and attack. I'm not sure who his critics would play instead?
Not sure if its just me but I think he is integral to what we do. Yes he is not prolific but he works very hard, wins free kicks and joins up play between the midfield and attack. I'm not sure who his critics would play instead?No not just you mate I totally agree with you.1 goal behind Gayle but not a good finisher according to some!
I'd play Gayle through the middle and JRod can compete for one of the wide slots
This. Play Gayle in his best position previous managers have been slaughtered for not playing our strongest players in their strongest position.
We're not making the most of Gayle (notice how the pens have dried up now he rarely gets to have the ball in the box?) and we have better options than JRod out wide.
At the moment we are accommodating JRod to the detriment of the team. I understood when we were short due to injuries, but we have loaned two wingers and Phillips should be back soon too.
To me, when we play with 1 up top and two wide attackers, it simply comes down to "who do you rate higher JRod or Gayle?". It would be Gayle every time.
The diffence for me is Gayle cant hold the ball up but by and large Jay can, to score we need the ball held in the final third of the pitch before we score tap ins.
Its a nice problem to have but for me Gayle everytime, he's a natural poacher and too good for the big lumps of CH's in the chumpionshipI think Jay is good on the ball generally and other teams are aware of this, so having him on the pitch keeps a player and half of their defence occupied, if that makes sense.
I think Jay is good on the ball generally and other teams are aware of this, so having him on the pitch keeps a player and half of their defence occupied, if that makes sense.
The diffence for me is Gayle cant hold the ball up but by and large Jay can, to score we need the ball held in the final third of the pitch before we score tap ins.
The diffence for me is Gayle cant hold the ball up but by and large Jay can, to score we need the ball held in the final third of the pitch before we score tap ins.
I agree Baggie79.
We tend to play 3 forwards with JRod the link man in the middle, i dont think that suits Gayle at all.
Gayle played in a pair at Newcastle alongside Murphy / Mitrovic / Perez when they won the championship, think he did the same in his more successful times at Palace, when he has played down the middle he has had somebody alongside him.
I think it works well how we do it now, Gayle gives us some pace out wide when he has it but if the ball goes down the middle or out to the opposite side to where he is playing (our forwards inter change a lot) then his first instinct is to get in the box anyway, he doesnt hog the touchline, he is usually in and around the box anyway.
I dont think the role Jrod plays now is his natural role and nor would i say he is great at it but he is the best we have and he does a decent job and you cant fault his goalscoring record.
A Rondon type would be ideal in that role (i hope Newcastle go down and he comes back would love to see what he would be like in an attacking team) and if we got somebody like that i would try Jrod playing a similar job to Gayle but on the opposite side.
Jacob Murphy?
Thought he was playing for Norwich when Newcastle won promotion?
Think he means Daryl Murphy
I agree Baggie79.
We tend to play 3 forwards with JRod the link man in the middle, i dont think that suits Gayle at all.
Gayle played in a pair at Newcastle alongside Murphy / Mitrovic / Perez when they won the championship, think he did the same in his more successful times at Palace, when he has played down the middle he has had somebody alongside him.
I think it works well how we do it now, Gayle gives us some pace out wide when he has it but if the ball goes down the middle or out to the opposite side to where he is playing (our forwards inter change a lot) then his first instinct is to get in the box anyway, he doesnt hog the touchline, he is usually in and around the box anyway.
I dont think the role Jrod plays now is his natural role and nor would i say he is great at it but he is the best we have and he does a decent job and you cant fault his goalscoring record.
A Rondon type would be ideal in that role (i hope Newcastle go down and he comes back would love to see what he would be like in an attacking team) and if we got somebody like that i would try Jrod playing a similar job to Gayle but on the opposite side.
17 goals and several assists. If he’s average I just wish he was good.
Not at his best tonight I agree but, in my view, is having an excellent season and long may it continue.
Think he gets a fair bit of unwarranted stick in my opinion.
17 goals is not to be sniffed at in this league (I don't care how many of those are penalties either).
His workrate is second to none, never stops running, doesn't shy away. He's also our only outfield player to start every game, considering how hectic the championship fixture list is, that's an incredible stat (especially when you factor in how much ground per game he covers).
In our current formation, he drops deep into the hole which allows our wingers to press forward into the space, that's the main reason I think he's preferred down the middle as opposed to Gayle. His movement opens up space for Dwight and that's shown in the fact Gayle's goal per minute ratio is better from out wide than it is up top.
I would put a large sum of money on at come end of the season he is amongst the names being mentioned for player of the season for us.
Can someone have a word with him and let him know it's ok to anticipate the where the ball will go. He's forever caught on his heels and then does a half hearted attempt to be where he should be.like the one where he pointed to Montero where he wanted the ball, and didn't anticipate the pass he called for.
Can someone have a word with him and let him know it's ok to anticipate the where the ball will go. He's forever caught on his heels and then does a half hearted attempt to be where he should be.
That comment is the biggest piece of rubbish posted on here in years.Earns lots of money for sauntering around at his own pace contributing nothing.
Earns lots of money for sauntering around at his own pace contributing nothing.
Taking a bit of stick on here,he is our leading goalscorer and does put lots of effort in,contribution wise lets him down,but should not always be guaranteed a starting place especially at homeHe’s leading goals scorer due to his strike partner winning penalties, for Rodriguez looks for better on the left and Moore has got to swap him and Gayle over
Sorry but he needs a rest? The bloke is a footballer who is paid to play the game and paid well for it and the poor bloke needs a rest?
It doesn't matter that he's paid to play the game he is a human being. Jay has had a lot of football this season probably more than any other player in our team. He plays week in, week out, barely ever subbed. The bloke probably does need a rest ideally.
My issue with this isn't with Jayrod specifically its footballers in general! If my staff are a bit tired as they have worked for the full shift they are paid to work I don't go up to them and say here have a few weeks off ill pay you as you look tired! If the man(or any other man) is a professional footballer they should be able to do their job without tiredness being an issue. Especially considering with all due respect Jayrod is never going to win an award for being the hardest working player at the club imo.
Whether he;s good or bad Jay puts in a hell of a shift every game and probably covers more miles than any of our players.
It doesn't matter that he's a pro footballer, you try it, of course tiredness is an issue. He's human he cannot possibly be fresher than someone who has less miles on the clock.
It's a lazy and ignorant argument.
. Whether he;s good or bad Jay puts in a hell of a shift every game and probably covers more miles than any of our players.
It doesn't matter that he's a pro footballer, you try it, of course tiredness is an issue. He's human he cannot possibly be fresher than someone who has less miles on the clock.
It's a lazy and ignorant argument.
Sorry but its a lazy and ignorant argument to expect someone who is trained to be a professional footballer to not need a rest in the middle of the season? Not asking him to be fresher than anyone else at all im stating that tiredness to the extent of leaving him out so he can 'have a rest from work' is downright ridiculous especially in the middle of a promotion battle.
And whilst i personally think that jayrod is one of our better players i would be interested to hear someone who knows much more about stats than i do if it is correct that he cover more miles than any of our other players? I think the full backs in particular may disagree on that one.
He’s leading goals scorer due to his strike partner winning penalties, for Rodriguez looks for better on the left and Moore has got to swap him and Gayle over
I think we are being a bit harsh on Rodriguez as he has scored some crucial goals this season, but he was the worst of the 3 tonight. Moore and Jones should rest him, but they continue to blindly throw him in, simply based on his fairly consistent goal record.
Having him and Gayle together in the system is starting to hinder us now. It was ok with them both as forwards with Barnes and Moore behind them, but he is becoming a passenger in this current side.
Has a good number of goals to his name this season but how many of those are penalties? His overall play is poor and he has disappointed me this season. I wouldn't be against him going in the summer.
If we don’t go up mate he will go in the summer guaranteed, for probably around 20 million as well and I guarantee his replacement won’t cost anywhere near that and he won’t get half the goals Rodriguez will get us
Totally agree. Quite why he gets this amount of stick I do not know. But people always want a fall guy. He has 6 penalty goals. So what? Someone has to take them and he is very competent at the task.
Because hes a joke... ::)
Offers nothing to the team with his overall play, regularly strolls around lazily and is more concerned about keeping his man bun in one piece than putting effort in for the team. He really does frustrate me.
But has scored 16 goals this season. If we don’t go up we will be lucky to have a striker scoring ten goals in a season
He’s scored 17 goals actually but never mind, still a joke. Unbelievable....This argument is going the same way as Darren Moore, in or out, no middle ground or rational argument
17 goals, absolutely. If this is the output from a (poor/lazy/ joke/ rubbish player - take your pick) then I too wish he was good! 8)
West Bromwich Albion reject Burnley's opening bid of £12m for Jay Rodriguez
He has scored goals for us this season, some will say, yes but a lot have been penalties and his this and his not that, but you can’t argue with his goal tally so far this seasons and penalties are missable, how many has he missed this season? I rate Jay personally, but would understand if he left us and all the reasons that might be behind his departure, if he goes.
Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5862147/West-Bromwich-Albion-reject-Burnleys-opening-bid-12m-striker-Jay-Rodriguez.html
He has scored 7 penalties, none of which he won, all won by Dwight Gayle and his team mates. So he’s managed 10 goals from open play in 39 games which includes a handball against Villa. That’s a very mediocre return playing for a side which Gayle and Barnes and isn’t good enough.
He's banged in 17 goals. I'm sure some posters on here would rather have the penalties taken off him and retaken by someone else by the way they go on.
He's not great shakes but i'll take 17 goals and mediocre performances over 5 goals and good performances.
He's banged in 17 goals. I'm sure some posters on here would rather have the penalties taken off him and retaken by someone else by the way they go on.
He's not great shakes but i'll take 17 goals and mediocre performances over 5 goals and good performances.
Can't even score penalties now either. Offered nothing else all game as usual.He's missed 1! Unbelievable
He's missed 1! Unbelievable
The problem is that despite playing in an easier League and for the most part in his favoured position Rodriguez hasn't had a 'very good' game for us since Liverpool away in the Cup last season. And no amount of penalties will mask that.
The problem is that despite playing in an easier League and for the most part in his favoured position Rodriguez hasn't had a 'very good' game for us since Liverpool away in the Cup last season. And no amount of penalties will mask that.
Brunt is amazing
JRod appalling
Livermore appalling
We get the point.
I don’t agree on any of those points but it might be worth trying to be objective for a change.
Yet you have not provided a counter point to the post you've quoted.
But for a few dead balls Brunt has been useless. Tried but ultimately dropped by most recent managers.
Livermore has been decent first half of the season - probably our only reliable midfielder in an incredibly weak area of the pitch. Certainly better than last year. Not so good since his ban.
JRod limited but gives his all and top scorer. Frankly we should be proud to have him in our team.
Your credibility is shot with your vendetta and constant statements of facts when just opinions.
Every post on here regards the merits of players is an opinion. Think it's your credibility that's in jeopardy pal.
People will always have their favourites and those they like to continually criticise. It is a sad fact of human nature with some people. I feel some were almost pleased he missed the penalty thus giving immediate ammunition to slate him. The fact remains that 19 goals is a very decent return, however he has scored them. For me the glaring weakness in our side all season has been the pedestrian midfield. I will not single out players, the whole unit has been poor. Not sure why it is. I, like many others was delighted when we got Johansen for example . Yet we are still awaiting a decent performance from him.
People will always have their favourites and those they like to continually criticise. It is a sad fact of human nature with some people. I feel some were almost pleased he missed the penalty thus giving immediate ammunition to slate him. The fact remains that 19 goals is a very decent return, however he has scored them. For me the glaring weakness in our side all season has been the pedestrian midfield. I will not single out players, the whole unit has been poor. Not sure why it is. I, like many others was delighted when we got Johansen for example . Yet we are still awaiting a decent performance from him.
I agree with Jacko on J-Rod, he’s a bang average player who offers little. 12 goals from open play is a pretty poor return considering he’s played every week in the middle. His goal stats are inflated by all the penalties Gayle has won for him. How has J-Rod not managed to win a single penalty but Gayle has won loads? Comparing the two is an insult to Gayle. Now he’s missed a pen the next one should go to Gayle, not least as seems to be only striker with the nous and movement to be a threat in the box.
Can assure you no one standing in the North Stand in Bermondsey yesterday, myself included, was pleased when Rodriguez missed that penalty and in part cost us the game.
I agree with Jacko on J-Rod, he’s a bang average player who offers little. 12 goals from open play is a pretty poor return considering he’s played every week in the middle. His goal stats are inflated by all the penalties Gayle has won for him. How has J-Rod not managed to win a single penalty but Gayle has won loads? Comparing the two is an insult to Gayle. Now he’s missed a pen the next one should go to Gayle, not least as seems to be only striker with the nous and movement to be a threat in the box.Very rare do I say these words, but on this one Jacko is correct...
Very rare do I say these words, but on this one Jacko is correct...Rondon the better all round player but miles behind Rodriguez on finishing if he had a decent midfield supplying the ammo he would have got more than he as now.
Bang average footballer, he's more interested in being apologetic to opposing players and doing his bloody hair
I'd sell at the first opportunity
Incidentally somebody made a ref that Rondon left and he stayed, probably due to Rondon being clearly levels above and that people would have been actively chasing Rondon
Rodriguez ....is one of just six outfield players to start every match
Matt Wilso Twitter Account
Robust Rodriguez comes in on his days off to recover in the club’s cryotherapy chamber. Albion’s 20-goal striker has played more minutes than any other Championship forward this season and is one of just six outfield players to start every match
This is a credit to him, to his professionalism, to his commitment and to his desire to do well for the Albion, but still whatever our top goal scorers does is not enough for some.
Matt Wilso Twitter AccountSo it spends his days off sitting around doing nothing. I’ve been doing that all my life.
Robust Rodriguez comes in on his days off to recover in the club’s cryotherapy chamber. Albion’s 20-goal striker has played more minutes than any other Championship forward this season and is one of just six outfield players to start every match
This is a credit to him, to his professionalism, to his commitment and to his desire to do well for the Albion, but still whatever our top goal scorers does is not enough for some.
Makes his goal return look even more mediocre. Gayle has 18 goals from open play in 2481 minutes (1 every 1.5 games), J Rod has 13 goals in 3596 minutes (every 1 every 3.1 games). Of course J-Rod also has the luxury of seven penalties as well most of them won by Gayle, none won by him.
He’s a decent player, simple as that.
Exactly, and that’s not a bad trait surely?
Is that his fault?
Definitely not, but we rarely use him as such.
Is that his fault?
What was wrong with his performance against PNE??
You took the bait there, didn’t you?
Nothing to my knowledge, I didn't see the game.
Sorry for those who this opinion rubs off badly upon, but I really don't rate JRod as a striker. Gayle is a miles better goalscorer who works twice as hard, is very unselfish and will nearly always score when fed. JRods penalties make up a lot of his goals, whereas Gayle has pretty much scored all of his from outfield play and has had an injury this season.
I actually think JRod might make a better AM than he does striker, that position is a lot more static and doesn't require lots of running. Hes not very good at holding up the ball either which I believe is essential for a striker in a 2 up top.
Personally if Burnley come back in with another 10m+ bid I'd let them have him.
Sorry for those who this opinion rubs off badly upon, but I really don't rate JRod as a striker. Gayle is a miles better goalscorer who works twice as hard, is very unselfish and will nearly always score when fed. JRods penalties make up a lot of his goals, whereas Gayle has pretty much scored all of his from outfield play and has had an injury this season.He never stopped running yesterday put in some good challenges and scored. He as 21 goals this season in a team IMO who have a poor midfield with someone better supplying the Ammo he would have had more. No pleasing some people what more do you want?
I actually think JRod might make a better AM than he does striker, that position is a lot more static and doesn't require lots of running. Hes not very good at holding up the ball either which I believe is essential for a striker in a 2 up top.
Personally if Burnley come back in with another 10m+ bid I'd let them have him.
With all what has happened around the club this year he has been a true professional and done well. My player of the season.
... :o
Jay Rodriguez...player of the season? Blimey.
Couldn't disagree more. JRod is best up top alongside Gayle. All this playing in the hole or from the left doesn't suit us and it doesn't help Gayle or JRod.
Rodriguez has 21 goals, 14 of which are not penalties. That is pretty good for someone that hasn't been used as a main striker.
42 goals between Dwight and Jay - play to their strengths. Get them both up top, stop fannying about at the back, get the ball forward earlier and let these two get on with it. They will and do score goals.
This post says it all for me. Well said that man.
much as I believe JRod is over rated at B71, £5M is not sufficient compensation, if we have allowed a clause of that value to be inserted into his contract, it is another example of gross incompetence by the suits IMO.
much as I believe JRod is over rated at B71, £5M is not sufficient compensation, if we have allowed a clause of that value to be inserted into his contract, it is another example of gross incompetence by the suits IMO.
I think we can say goodbye to Jay Rod, you can't blame him for wanting Prem football.
The transfer window for us this time is going to be very interesting, i just hope we don't faff about like we usually do, something tells me we won't, i hope i am right.
Burnley could once again look to bring West Bromwich Albion striker Jay Rodriguez back to Turf Moor.
The Clarets did launch a bid for the 29-year-old last summer but were knocked back.
Burnley Express have now reported that Sean Dyche could re-ignite his interest with a much reduced offer.
Rodriguez and Craig Dawson were the subject of a £25m joint bid last summer that Albion chiefs rejected.
12 months on, with the Baggies need to tighten their financial belts after missing out on promotion, they could be prepared to cash in.
It is believed that Burnley bid as much as £16m for the striker last summer, but that he could be available for £5m plus add ons this year.
The report claims a clause was inserted in his contract that would allow him to leave the Hawthorns should they not achieve promotion at the first time of asking.
He's 100% gone imo.
He will end up at Burnley.
Think we should ask for vydra in part exchange
We won't faff about ?
What recent appointment or transfer makes you think this will be the case? I hope you are right but approaching 3 months for a manager suggests we have very few plans in place.beying plan A.
Good shout
No chance - he'll be on ridiculous money.
We really need to get better at selling players at the right time. We have lost millions by holding on to players to long.
Not the end of the world, we gambled on getting promoted first time. At least it explains why Rodriguez suddenly knuckled down.
£5 million rising to £10 million is okay for a player his age and previous injury record in the current market.
Our Club is an absolute shambles - no two ways about it. A laughing stock doesnt do it justice.
So we have effectively got rid of him for 5 mill (+5) and Evans for 3.5 mill in the last two years. Absolutely seething.
There are surely much, much better ways to organise his departure for not going up.
To be honest, a lot of people didn't rate him all season. It's £10 million, most transfers are instalments and this is 10 broken into two payments. Don't understand the problem really. Remember the wages are what kills a lot of clubs.
It's not £5m, it's £10m. And reading that article part of it was the club appreciating his behaviour.
So we could have got £15m but instead we will get £10m. So even worst case of thinking is that we paid £5m for his services last year. Doesn't seem that unreasonable.
£10m for J-rod seems about right.
It's not £5m, it's £10m. And reading that article part of it was the club appreciating his behaviour.
So we could have got £15m but instead we will get £10m. So even worst case of thinking is that we paid £5m for his services last year. Doesn't seem that unreasonable.
£10m for J-rod seems about right.
We really need to get better at selling players at the right time. We have lost millions by holding on to players to long.
Agreed. Rondon, Evans and now Rodriguez. Fat lot of good keeping hold of them has done. We obviously lack confidence in our recruitment department to replace them.
We gambled... but then we didn't really back it up. Not pushing the boat out in the summer or January. not having a strategy and not replacing Moore. Relying on a coach with zero experioence to guide us into and through the playoffs. Really, they've lost out on £10m, to save a much smaller amount. None of it makes any sense. No joined up thinking.
How have we “lost out on £10m� Had we sold him last summer how much of the alleged £15m would we have had to pay out to buy a replacement striker capable of scoring 22 goals?
When you consider 8 of those goals were penalties then £15m should have been more than enough. I reckon we could have got both Maupay and Woods for that money from Brentford. They might have even thrown in Dean Smith. :D
10m doesn't buy much these days, negotiating a sell off clause that is less than what we paid for him is an absolute shambles.of cause it’s not it’s logical and done by most clubs in the event of relegation, if the club goes down it works in the players favour to get a move away, we aren’t the first club to do it and won’t be the last, no doubt the release clause factors in things like depreciation of the contract value, the players age, the transfer fee paid across the duration of the contract and more, I’m sure half the disgust on this thread is false just to fit the agenda of beating the board at every opportunity.
I think some fans are overreacting just because of how the stories broke.it would make no sense at all for anyone to bid more than the clause as once a club meets it they are allowed to talk to the player.
If this story hadn't broke and Jay was sold for 10million to Burnley, not many of us would bat to much of an eye lid. 10 million for a 29 year old who quite a large part of the fan base have criticised his performances last season, a player who 'only scores penalties.'
Think it's just how its structured that a few people are now moaning about.
Let's be honest, we would all have expected him to be sold for around the 10-12million pound mark anyway.
Just out of curiosity, whats the situation if a couple of clubs come in for him, would we be able to sell him for more or is it literally a '10' million release clause as such.
How have we “lost out on £10m�
Had we sold him last summer how much of the alleged £15m would we have had to pay out to buy a replacement striker capable of scoring 22 goals?
Open question... So why is it being talked about as a £5m fee?
Open question... So why is it being talked about as a £5m fee?
Ok, but it is unusual to report it this way. e.g. Berahino was reported as a £21m deal. Not a £5m deal with loads of unlikely clauses that may bump it up.
The first time I read the Percy quote 'Rodriguez is available for the cut-price fee, which will rise to £10m after 12 months' I thought it meant you could buy him for £5m this summer or £10m next summer. It's not clear.
Ok, but it is unusual to report it this way. e.g. Berahino was reported as a £21m deal. Not a £5m deal with loads of unlikely clauses that may bump it up.That's how I read it too mate. Why would it be referred to in this way . If the deal is £10m but in two payments of £5m it's still a £10m deal. Did we sign Oliver Burke for £15m or £5m, £5m, £5m. I think all we are going to get for JRod is £5m
The first time I read the Percy quote 'Rodriguez is available for the cut-price fee, which will rise to £10m after 12 months' I thought it meant you could buy him for £5m this summer or £10m next summer. It's not clear.
That's how I read it too mate. Why would it be referred to in this way . If the deal is £10m but in two payments of £5m it's still a £10m deal. Did we sign Oliver Burke for £15m or £5m, £5m, £5m. I think all we are going to get for JRod is £5m
On his way to Burnley.....As with Dawson, I just don't think he'll be a regular in the Prem. He won't get the chances that he did in the Championship and his all round game is not strong enough, in my opinion. Life at the lower end of the Prem, is a different kettle of fish, especially for a striker.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7223817/Jay-Rodriguez-rejoin-Burnley-10m-switch-West-Brom.html
Perhaps it is part of there contract they stay for one season at reduced wages but have a a release clause in their contract to be sold the season after at a cut price figure if we fail to bounce back.
Perhaps it is part of there contract they stay for one season at reduced wages but have a a release clause in their contract to be sold the season after at a cut price figure if we fail to bounce back.stupid financial decision if true, that's forty plus goals we need to replace for season to come.
We need to sign three good strikers this summer. One short last year. This season could easily be a disaster and turn into a relegation fight.can see this happening as I don't trust the board or owner venkies Mark two.
I wont begrudge him a move, gone about his football very professionally.
Was always going to end back up at Burnley and I believe if they didn't come in then he would still be here.
The biggest problem is the money upfront doesn't really give us a lot to get in a suitable replacement.
Perhaps it would make more sense for us to try and get some deal with Vydra done whilst we finalise the JRod bits.
I wont begrudge him a move, gone about his football very professionally.Championship transfers usually are paid over a longer timeframe anyway, the fact we have five million up front is largely irrelevant because any player we sign won’t be paid up for in full up front.
Was always going to end back up at Burnley and I believe if they didn't come in then he would still be here.
The biggest problem is the money upfront doesn't really give us a lot to get in a suitable replacement.
Perhaps it would make more sense for us to try and get some deal with Vydra done whilst we finalise the JRod bits.
Quality bloke and professional...I would have been happy for him to stay but I think with the way Bilic likes to play, It's probably wise to cash in as I don't think he will fit the system. He certainly isn't suited to playing as a target man. I think this opens up a move for Diedhou from Brizzle if our reported interest is legit.I like Jay, but also really like the look of that diedhou, almost swung the game at the Albion in their favour when he came on, proper handful.
I like Jay, but also really like the look of that diedhou, almost swung the game at the Albion in their favour when he came on, proper handful.
I like Jay, but also really like the look of that diedhou, almost swung the game at the Albion in their favour when he came on, proper handful.
An interesting reaction to his departure given the slating he got on a regular basis by some of the forum members........
For me, he will be a big loss to us but if they've met our release clause there's not a lot left to be done but find a replacement.
Many have been asking for big change at the club, it's now coming in spades!
Yes and those same people on social media are now having a meltdown over it. Honestly people are seriously weird.
I keep reminding them these people who we can't afford to lose got us relegated and failed to get us back up again. They're not as good as some people clearly think they are. We CAN afford to lose them it's all about who we bring in.
Yes and those same people on social media are now having a meltdown over it. Honestly people are seriously weird.
I keep reminding them these people who we can't afford to lose got us relegated and failed to get us back up again. They're not as good as some people clearly think they are. We CAN afford to lose them it's all about who we bring in.
Not sorry to see him go, no pace and take out penalties his goal return was not outstanding in an attacking side like we had last year. He’s definitely replaceable unlike Gayle.
Jay Rod got 3 goals in the prem for us and I don’t except him to contribute many more for Burnley next year, especially in a defensively minded team like they are. Good attitude, but poor work rate, misses sitters, no pace and 30 in 3 weeks time. Good business to get £10m for him. Despite that assessment I wish him all the best, and will always fondly remember his best goal for us, the hand of Rod, against veeela purely because of how much it annoyed them.
No more concerned by this than I was by Dawson. Another bang average player on relatively big wages. Jay doesn't do enough to affect games aside from being mostly reliable from the spot and if we can find another penalty taker wont really be missed.
Because it depends on who we replace him with.
Would I rather we had J-Rod or HRK? J-Rod.
Would I rather have Gayle or J-Road? Gayle.
Fortunately, he is replaceable, just got to hope we do it.
Not sure were you got 3 from, from memory I'm sure it was 7/8 plus a few in the league cup.Yes you’re right, he got 7, I thought it was 3 but still not a great total as he played in all but 1 game and 14 last year from open play is not great either. Good luck to him but no real miss and good money for a 30yr old.
I do agree with the Gayle comment though, I think it will be easier for us to replace Jay than it will Dwight.
We now need to integrate around 6-7 new players into the squad in 3 weeks. It’s also interesting that the players coming in are way better than the ones leaving...
Say what you like about JRod and Dawson we still have HRK, Livermore and Nyom so our squad is considerably worse.
So another key player and sack load of priceless goals on the way out.I wouldn’t worry, people like jay rod, Dawson and Rondon have to be sold first before new people can come in. With all 3 nearly sold we’ve raised £32m thereabouts, the replacements will have been highlighted and will soon be in. They’ll be 6 more in before the end of the window. Slaven Bilic has not signed up to the challenge without promises being made about being allowed to put a competitive squad together. We’re in for an exciting 3-4 weeks.
Surely we must have someone lined immediately to come in otherwise it’s a dire situation at the moment.
Not one permanent signing yet starts to raise questions about asset stripping?
Sad to see J-Rod go but irresponsibility to not have replacements !!
I wouldn’t worry, people like jay rod, Dawson and Rondon have to be sold first before new people can come in. With all 3 nearly sold we’ve raised £32m thereabouts, the replacements will have been highlighted and will soon be in. They’ll be 6 more in before the end of the window. Slaven Bilic has not signed up to the challenge without promises being made about being allowed to put a competitive squad together. We’re in for an exciting 3-4 weeks.
Yes you’re right, he got 7, I thought it was 3 but still not a great total as he played in all but 1 game and 14 last year from open play is not great either. Good luck to him but no real miss and good money for a 30yr old.
Good luck to him, seems a top bloke.
On another note, who on earth was signing these players with such bad release clauses? Rodriguez could have easily gone for £15 million, Evans went for something pathetic like £3 million. Then we signed Jake Livermore for £8 million at the same time.
I hope to god whoever was making those deals has left our club a long time ago, awful stuff.
Disappointed to see him go but inevitable in the end. I don't think we will miss him that much though in fairness.
We struggled to find a spot in the 11 for him last season and shoe-horned him into a number of positions. Most of which he did not look comfortable with.
There was always going to be a revamp of our forward options and let us hope we have some new replacements sooner rather than later because the only current striker we have is not and never will be good enough.
Good luck to him, seems a top bloke.
On another note, who on earth was signing these players with such bad release clauses? Rodriguez could have easily gone for £15 million, Evans went for something pathetic like £3 million. Then we signed Jake Livermore for £8 million at the same time.
I hope to god whoever was making those deals has left our club a long time ago, awful stuff.
I really don't buy this. If a player is good enough, you find a way of slotting him in the team. He was, in my opinion, one of the best 11 at the club, and therefore merited a place in the starting line up. He was maybe not a classic target man (not that I am a great fan of target men), but he fed off others and had a very respectable scoring record.
I really don't buy this. If a player is good enough, you find a way of slotting him in the team.
I wouldn’t worry, people like jay rod, Dawson and Rondon have to be sold first before new people can come in. With all 3 nearly sold we’ve raised £32m thereabouts, the replacements will have been highlighted and will soon be in. They’ll be 6 more in before the end of the window. Slaven Bilic has not signed up to the challenge without promises being made about being allowed to put a competitive squad together. We’re in for an exciting 3-4 weeks.
Is the deal £5m for the player and £5m for the man bun?
To be fair he gave his all and respected the club and thats all I will judge him on.
I love your Optimism that Bilic will be given anywhere near 32 mill...Looking at transfer fees quoted you are looking at spending minimum 15 mill for a top end championship striker (Maupay, Gayle, Mc’Burnnie).Think you’ve misunderstood, I never said we’d spend £32m, I said we will have raised £32m. I would imagine we’ll look to spend around £10-£15m of that tops across 4 more loans and 2-3 permanent signings. Like I said, no need to be worried, this selling part has to happen to allow Slav to rebuild.
Dowling said we need to unearth some cheap gems, the only problem is when did we last do that?
Could we bring Chris Wood back ‘home’?
I think we will used the European market for players, but that's for another thread.
Fully expected him to leave and fully expected it to be Burnley, his goals will be a miss but I cant remember many games where I thought he played well so will he be missed? Not as much as Gayle will be......Too right his goals will be missed. And that's what ultimately wins football matches.
I’m not bothered about this, and to be honest not bothered about any of the squad that have let us down over the past couple of years leaving.
Fully expected him to leave and fully expected it to be Burnley, his goals will be a miss but I cant remember many games where I thought he played well so will he be missed? Not as much as Gayle will be......What about Liverpool away in the F A cup thought he was unplayable that Saturday evening.
I’m not bothered about this, and to be honest not bothered about any of the squad that have let us down over the past couple of years leaving.When you say let us down, we finished 3rd last season and were within one kick of a Wembley final. Its not like the squad almost got us relegated to League 1.
When you say let us down, we finished 3rd last season and were within one kick of a Wembley final. Its not like the squad almost got us relegated to League 1.
The team next season will be totally different than last season.
It doesn't matter how you look at it , the team last season failed. so its time to get rid of the old boys and lets start a new era.
None of us know what's happening in the background but Bilic is certainly no idiot. He knows we need new strikers and i would say he has probably got a few irons in the fire as far as strikers and other positions are concerned.
Personally I think Jrod would have struggled to get 10 goals next season. In the premier I doubt if he will start 10 matches. Chris Wood can't get a regular spot in that Burnley team and I would rather have him than Jrod.
We finished 4th with a squad that should have been promoted in march
No more concerned by this than I was by Dawson. Another bang average player on relatively big wages. Jay doesn't do enough to affect games aside from being mostly reliable from the spot and if we can find another penalty taker wont really be missed.100%
There's a reason Chris Wood can't get a regular starting place. Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole! Slow lumbering player with the mobility of an oil tanker.
i think you should give Wood a bit more respect. hes scored 20 premier league goals in 62 appearances which is a goal every 3.1 games.I respect your view, but I'm entitled to mine. Wood isn't mobile enough. Both Rondon and Jay Rod are better all round players, and I'm not particularly a fan of Rondon. So why have Burnley brought in JayRod if they already have Wood and are not playing him?
A certain Salomon Rondon has scored 18 in 69 in his last 2 premiership seasons so a goal every 3.83 games.
And Jay Rodriguez in his last two premier league seasons has scored 12 in 61 league games which is a goal every 5.08 games.
Jay Rodriguez has bid a fond farewell to Albion supporters following his move to Premier League Burnley.
J-Rod, a popular figure at The Hawthorns and firm fans’ favourite, has left this heartfelt message to the Club’s supporters…
"I wanted to take the opportunity to say a big ‘thank you’ to everyone at Albion for helping me so much during my two years at the Club.
"The fans, my team-mates, the staff - I cannot speak highly enough of all the people who make the Club such a special place to be.
“I was desperate for us to get promoted last season and the disappointment of that narrow miss cut deeply.
"The Club did everything it could to persuade me to stay and this has not been an easy decision by any means.
“But at this stage in my career, I found the chance to play again in the Premier League at my hometown club too good to turn down and I hope everyone will respect that.
“I have nothing but best wishes for the club I leave behind. I’ll be backing you to succeed in a new era under Slaven Bilić and hope that I can be back at The Hawthorns at the first available opportunity for a Premier League fixture.
“Until then, a sincere 'thank you' all for your support. I will never forget it.â€
Jay
Best wishes Jay, classy bloke, never kicked up a stink once. Got more value out of him than Brunt/Mozz etc combined. All the best.Two players who cost £4.5m combined and played nearly 700 matches have given us less value than Rodriguez. are you serious?
Two players who cost £4.5m combined and played nearly 700 matches have given us less value than Rodriguez. are you serious?